Patriots Draft Countdown: Sharing Final Thoughts, Picks and Predictions

Join Mike Dussault, Paul Perillo, Evan Lazar, Chris Cassidy, and Matisse Baumann as they discuss their final thoughts on best fits, latest rumors, and what to expect in this year's NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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And guys, we've been through the last few months and

(00:42):
I think, you know, unfortunately it's been one of those
weird years where Patriots are picking over to third overall.
I mean, I don't feel like a lot has really
changed over the last couple of months. We've done a
bunch of shows, we've done film breakdowns, We've talked to
you know, the national pundits, everybody's waight in. We did
all the positional previews, like we covered this draft, every
angle of it. But it seems like the consensus right now, Paul,

(01:05):
is that Drake May is there. The Patriots should take
Drake May. I think the thinking people or the fans
that anybody who pays attention to stuff now seems like
everybody's on the Drake May train.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Is that an app way to put it?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I would? I would agree with you. I do think
there is a allowed, maybe not huge portion of the
fans that would like to trade down. But I don't
know if you've ever heard this one before. If they
don't love one of the quarterbacks, Mike, which get three,
I think this is an opportunity to move down a
little bit and maybe pick up extra picks. Have you
guys heard anybody brings.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
That a scenario that could happen.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's a possibility?

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Is possibly?

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Is that how it works?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I do think there are some people that think trading down.
And why I say there are some people? Every week
I put a notebook up every week, I'm sort of
writing about all the different quarterbacks, and I'm getting a
lot of people not always happy with the options. You know,
a couple of weeks ago, I was sort of downplaying
the JJ McCarthy rumors, and I was getting killed for

(02:04):
having JJ McCarthy even on my mind more recently, it
was Drake May. You know, when a lot of people
are like, oh, you finally have the right guy in
the picture this week, and then other people like, now
the mechanics are a mess. You got to trade down.
So I don't think it's a consensus. I think it's
a consensus probably among us. Yeah, that's how I feel.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
Well.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I mean, I'm gonna see you up. Yeah, you did
some film reviews, and look if the thing that everybody
thinks is going to happen happens, and tomorrow night that
the Patriots select Drake May, what does it mean? What
does it mean for the Patriots if they bring Drake
May in and he joins this team as the first
round pick tomorrow night.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Well, if you ask me, I think the first thing
that I'll say tomorrow night, if that is the pick,
is everybody's gotta be patient. You gotta be patient. He's
not going to come in here and be Andrew Luck
and turn them into a playoff team overnight. I don't
think that. But the end goal, or the eventual developmental
track for him is Josh Allen justin Herbert level franchise quarterback,

(03:04):
and that to me is worth third overall pick in
the draft. You know, that's what everybody's looking for. That's
what all these teams that need a quarterback are searching for.
So do I think that he's gonna get there overnight.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
No.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
Does he need mechanical to you know, things that are
going need to go better for him, footwork, you know,
to that type of stuff. Absolutely, But I think that
if you give him the time and you give them
the right development. And I guess we can talk about
if you trust their coaches or not to do that,
but I do think they have two guys and Alex
Van Pelt and in Ben mcadou. Especially AVP he was

(03:36):
a quarterback in the league. He's been coaching quarterbacks for
one hundred years. He's one of those guys that understands
the nuances, the footwork, the training that needs to go
into it, all that kind of stuff. So I do
trust him a little bit to develop Drake May because
of his background with quarterbacks specifically. So that's a long
winded answer, but I think the biggest thing that you
have to realize is that it might not happen overnight.

(03:58):
He might not start Week one, not be immediate. But
by the time we're talking about you're two and three
With Drake May, I think we're gonna be talking about
a guy that the Patriots can really build around and.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Move forward with. To move on to Chris Cassidy, Chris,
you were on the show throughout the year because so
you know you're wrapping up it. But for you, just
from your perspective, how would you feel Drake May? I
mean where you sit right.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
Now out of the three quarterbacks, the three top quarterbacks,
I think where the Patriots stand with Drake May that
is your guy. I think that's your person. You go
to the person you can select at three. I think
you'd be a great addition, help kind of build a
team around him, build a culture around him. Again, Evan might.
Evan's telling the truth when he says might be a
guy who comes in, you know, doesn't jump in right away,

(04:40):
but kind of gets his bearings, kind of watches Jacoby
a little bit, watches Mayley, whoever it could be, but
you know, trying to find some sort of comfort level
before jumping right into the fold. I think it's gonna
be important for.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Him pump some brakes a little bit on that now.
So tise. You know, we're gonna get everybody introduced. Tee
Boman did a great job sitting in for me in
the host chair there last week. Appreciate that. And of
course you guys can call in eight one eight eight eight.
Oh man, I'm still in California times.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Taking off the rust to the West coast is like
the four days.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
What number was it? Eight four days? We're here for
an hour live to to close off the this, you know,
Patriots Draft countown, which I think has been a lot
of fun and everybody's got a chance to, you know, contribute.
But guys, I'm gonna I'm gonna open this up. You tease,
you can start, But I mean, just if it isn't
Drake May at third overall, who do you think the
pick is?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
I think it's Jade Daniels. I think it's just a
flip flop between the two. I hope it's a flip
fl like whichever one's taken, I think we just take
the other. That's what happens when you win the game
in Christmas Eve. But yeah, either or, I think Jane
Daniels might be a little more pro ready per se.
He might he might beat out Jacoby. Hopefully he does
at the number three pick, but you know, Drake May
got him down a bit longer. But one of the

(05:52):
two don't care what is tick? One of those two?

Speaker 3 (05:54):
It just seems so simple, And that's like, you know
what I mean, that's the easy answer, right, I mean,
is there what like? What are thinking about Poulack? I mean,
what are we Are we just assuming it's gonna go
to plan tomorrow night, or are we gonna get there
and be like this came out of nowhere?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I mean, for me, it's probably Tisa's answer. But if
you want to play Devil's advocate, it would be Elliott
Wolf and the vast array of decision makers that the
Patriots are going to rely on. Maybe you're not in
concert with what who the best guy is. And if
there are JJ McCarthy or Michael Pennick's backers in that room,

(06:32):
then who's to say that the move would be we
can move down, we can add picks and get the
guy we like just as much as Drake May or
Jayden Daniels. With Pennix or McCarthy. It's not a move
that I would necessarily be in favor of. But it's
also not one that I that I hate, you know,
and you guys know me. I'm not generally wishy watchy.

(06:53):
I have pretty strong opinions. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong.
Mostly I'm wrong, But this this is one I'm kind
of in the gray area. I can understand people that
say they have a lot of needs. I don't think
there's a huge to me. The key here if you
want the extra picks is I don't think there's a
big difference between McCarthy and Panix in May and Daniels.

(07:15):
If you feel like that the trade down is not
a bad option.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, I think we got to touch on McCarthy a
little bit, And I mean, I guess the question I
was asking myself a little bit when I was on
vacation is you know, is it just a fact of
that all these rumors have come that McCarthy's going to
go in the top five and that just doesn't seem
like it fits to me. And I think there's a
lot to like about JJ McCarthy or anything. And maybe
in another year where you were team that didn't need

(07:42):
a quarterback to come in right away and be the
franchise guy and take the mantle, you know, you have
a guy maybe that you like right now, but you
see down the road it's gonna you know, like, I
don't hate JJ McCarthy as a day two developmental guy,
and I know that he's not that right. But are
you guys totally out on him no matter what, or
is it just he's supposed to go. Chris, you seem
like you're jumping.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:02):
No, I love this conversation. I really feel you know,
JJ could fall. I mean, not that he will fall
into the second day, but like this whole time at
the beginning of the draft, conversation was just talking about
JJ and where he kind of fallowed. Day two, second round,
third round type guy, more second round, but you know,
the more you hear about it, everything kind of hyping

(08:22):
him up as a great pro day kind of now
he's in the top five pick range, barring trade conversations.
But it's just it's kind of amazing to me to
like how fast it all happened.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
It seems like it every year this season, like something
right happen?

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Right, Yeah, someone creeps, I would The biggest reason why
I've been so anti JJ McCarthy is that I'm always
wary of the late riser, the guy that hasn't played
an actual down of padded football in six months, and
all of a sudden now is a top five pick.
And the last time that I remember this sort of
rise for a quarterback was Zach Wilson. And I'm not

(09:00):
saying that he's necessarily gonna bust out as hard as
Zach Wilson did. But those types of guys that interview well,
that have great pro days, that look good in the suit,
that like do all those types of things and don't
actually do anything on film or on a football field
to change your mind. But it's all about these meetings
and these closed door conversations that we're not privy to.

(09:23):
Those guys win front offices over and more times than not,
they get them fired. And it's the guys like Jaden Daniels,
it's Drake May, those guys that have been These two
guys are really good for the whole thing. You know,
going back to the fall, you know, Jaden Daniels win's
the Heisman Trophy. There was no question whether or not
Jaden Daniels was going to be in this conversation. Drake

(09:45):
May was in this conversation since it started twenty twenty two. Yeah,
and then you have this guy come out of nowhere,
and all of a sudden we're talking about JJ McCarthy
in the same tier. And I'm always weary of that guy,
and I always.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Say to back Evans point. Jade and Daniels rose to
in the course of the football season with a great
season on the field. He ended the season as a
potential top five pick. JJ McCarthy rose kind of once
the season ended. Like Zach Wilson and Mac Jones, I like.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
This, I specifically, you like, does it mean anything that
the kids lost like three games since high school? Does
that mean anything? Like when you look at the quack,
I think it means something.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I think the guy, you know, that's what you're banking on,
is that this this guy has that quality you know
that that people can't It's kind of an intangible you know,
he's a good leader. People follow him, he's around, he's
I don't think it's always a coincidence when a player
is always on winning teams, you know. Now that said,

(10:43):
he's a highly regarded NFL prospect. I'm going to guess
his high school team was pretty good because of him.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Well, also went to IMG.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
No I no, I understand that, but he also won
before he went He won a state championship before he
went to IMG. But like, when you're that talent, you
lift a team, you know, by yourself. It's like, you know,
Drake May played for Josh McCown right, No, is that
is that the right guy? Yep, Jake Drake? It was
Drake May right?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Like, how do you think that high school team was?
It was probably pretty good, you know. I just feel like, yes,
I do think it means something, but I don't get
wrapped up. And he was twenty seven and one at Michigan,
So that's the guy you have to pick.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
I just that's another thing that I'm always super wary
of because we have so much evidence that it doesn't
matter most of the time. The only guy that you
can say one in college one of the pros recently
is Joe Burrow. And I just think Joe Burrow is
really good. And I don't think you can really put
those two on the same tier. Like I don't think
that their talent wise that JJ McCarthy's in the same
conversation as a Joe Burrow. So you look at guys

(11:48):
you know that have had that it that winning in
tangible like a Baker Mayfield. Everybody talked about Baker like that,
that he was this leader that people gravity. How did
that work out for Cleveland?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, he went into Ohio State put the flag
in the Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I kind of compare it too to Trevor Lawrence. Not
that they not that they had similar college careers, but
like how Trevor Lawrence came in. I mean, he was
always a winner, didn't lose a lot, and that was
emphasized in his draft stock as well.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Very similar, absolutely.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Right, And I think I mean Trevor Lawrence, He's been
okay in Jacksonville. He hasn't been eye popping though, you know,
and I mean that winning mentality.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I actually think there's a there's a chance that sometimes
depending on how those guys unfold, that it can be
a detriment because I don't care how good you are,
you're gonna lose games in the NFL. Can you handle it? Yeah? Now,
I think Trevor Lawrence has handled it really well. You know,
I wouldn't say that's derailed his career, but you don't know. Sometimes,
you know, the football adversity and how guys handle it.

(12:46):
He JJ McCarthy hasn't had a lot. Sometimes it can
go the other way.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
That's a big thing to you. You haven't really seen
j McCarthy like be down fifteen points and lead the
team back, and he's on a completely stacked Michigan team,
weapons all around. I think there's a chance that he's
like for draft night, Will Levis two point zero and
he's sitting around for a while and it was a big.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Smokes yeah, Seas. I mean, I don't think there's much of.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
A chance of that, not not a huge don't think.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
You can possibly get past eleven.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
Really, I think that there's a chance that, like what
Paul just said that it's like a mac Jones type
of situation where.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
I just fought, they follow the like.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
To the teens, you know, eleven, you know, twelve, thirteen,
that range, and he goes there instead of going three,
which is exactly what happened to me.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Someone could trade up to four with Arizona and take him.
He could go one, two, three, four, or someone can
trade you know somewhere between five and ten. Atlantai I
think is in there. They're probably open for business, but
I don't know. If there's no trades, I can't imagine
Minnesota doesn't take a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
It's just an interesting contrast because we spent you know,
we talk a lot about when they drafted Mac, and
we talked about the talent that was around Mac and Teech.
You just kind of mentioned the Michigan talent, which I mean,
I think very good. But would you guys put it
in the same boat as LSU or Alabama in those
years when they had not.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
The different kind of talent? But yes, and I agree
with Evan just started to say it, like, you don't
have the dynamic nature of Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase
on the outside, but they're going to be up there
among the most drafted players in recent memory, right, Yeah,
they just Alabama.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
They just build the team a little bit more old school.
You know, they have great defense, great line play, great
running backs. You know, like that, their team is just
not built with the five star receiver recruits and things
like that. Roman Wilson's a really good player like that,
he's going to be a but he's not. He's not
that no, And you know that's I think one thing

(14:44):
that the MAC PTSD has definitely I've been wary of
this process is Jaden Daniels Leak neighbors, Brian Thomas Junior,
loaded cast, Michael Pennix. I think Michael Pennix has six
guys that are going to be drafted on offense around him,
and what five in the top one hundred, and he's

(15:06):
the sixth in the top one hundred. And Dylan Johnson,
his running back, is going to get drafted too. So
you have two tackles that are going to get drafted,
one in the first round, one on day two. You
have three receivers that are going to get drafted, one
in the top ten, and then you have a running
back that's probably going to be like a mid to
late day day three pick. All going from what like,
you could literally draft the Washington offense and have a

(15:28):
pretty good NFL offense just with the talent that went
to that school, and he would just happen to be
the triggerman in the middle of all of it.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
You guys, remember Zach Mettenberger from LSU. Oh my gosh,
there you go. That's how I fell for Zach Mettenberg,
probably like ten years ago, twenty ten. But it was
like I think it was like LSU is like a
Jarvis Landry Baby era with obj and Jeremy Hill had

(15:57):
a couple of coffee here, right, really good towards a
cl early in the season. Ye, that really good running
back that that team was loaded, and I was like,
this quarterback, he's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Wasn't Evan? You mentioned Michael Pennox and I just you know,
we've talked about kind of the high round guys and
we feel like it could be May and McCarthy lurking,
but you know, Pennix, Nicks. We talked a lot about
these guys just generally.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Though.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
How do you feel about a draft strategy for the
Patriots where they wait till day two for a quarterback?
Like do you think that that makes sense right now
for where they are what they need? You know, is
that going to move the needle? If they draft a
B Nix of Michael Pennox, you know, early day two.
I mean, assuming I've seen plenty of saying Pennix ain't
getting out of the first round but just getting passed.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
I would put Nicks in that category too. I think
there's a chance that Nix goes in the first round
also like late, you know, maybe in the twenties. But
if you're one of these teams that doesn't get the
quarterback the first time around. Are you really waiting all
the way till you're picking the second round for him
to still be there? I don't know. So really you're
talking about Spencer Rattler, you know, as as really the
only guy that I would put as like a day

(17:02):
two grade.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Is it even more than that?

Speaker 5 (17:04):
I don't think so. I mean Spencer Ratlers. We were
talking about this on PU yesterday. I think Spencer Ratler
is great for a team that has an aging veteran
quarterback that's gonna hold the starting job, like the Jets
that just want to get the developmental guy in the
building and put him behind Aaron Rodgers and maybe he's
Jordan Love, you know, like maybe it turns out that
it works out in a couple of years that he's

(17:25):
a good quarterback for them after Rogers retires for the
team like the Patriots. I don't see any of these
guys making much sense. And then you really start to
get into day three, which is you know, Michael Pratt
and Joe Milton and all those guys, and now we're
really talking about backups, Like.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
What's the point you got Bailey Zappi right, Like you
need to draft one of those guys.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
To like, That's why I'm not a huge fan of
I'm like the whole double dip because everybody points to Washington. Yeah,
they're they're bonus. Baby got hurt and they needed the
fourth rounder to come in, right like, and you know,
hats off to them. They picked a guy in the
fourth round who turned out to be a really good
player for a fourth round pick, and Kirk Cousins, I

(18:05):
just don't think that that's overly realistic to just Okay, so,
like you said, it's Bailey Zappy more often than not,
that's your fourth round pick quarterback, a guy who can play,
but he's not ever gonna be your starter. And I yeah,
I'm not saying that you wouldn't draft. I would draft
a quarterback every year. I'm not necessarily in favor of

(18:27):
drafting two in a year.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
Yeah, I think a guy like rather the comparison I've
been using is Gardner Minshew similar. You know, ballzy, good arm, talent,
can move around a little bit. But is he ever
to Pall's point, is he ever gonna be your quarterback?
Is that ever gonna be the guy that we're Oh
we got Gardner Minshew like, no, that's not gonna be Like.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
It's like when you take you know, like fans I
think have this. We do it every year and it's
gonna happen again when we do our draft shows on
let's say like Friday and Saturday. Well, we needed a quarterback,
a tackle in a wide receiver, and we got them
with the first three picks. We filled all our needs. No,
you didn't. You picked guys that played the positions that

(19:07):
you feel like our needs. Will find out if you
filled any of the needs when the guys get to play. Like,
you know, penciling in a tackle in the fifth round
doesn't fill your left tackle need. Now it might it
might be Michael Winnu, you know it, or you know,
it might be Clint Oldenberg.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
That's one of the biggest things that's taken away from
being in this job, Like I don't know. I mean,
it's smart, and it's probably mostly taken from you. It
was like I think, as a you know, more of
a fan, you look at those day three picks and
you're like, oh boy, you know, it's easy to get excited.
Where I think I've gotten a little bit more measured
in my response to the all right, well, we'll see
these guys are everybody's a lottery ticket, but those guys, in.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Fairness, I will say, there are a lot of good
offensive linemen that get taken in day three. Like I
think that's a spot where. And it was more so
when when Dante was here, because they had the old
program that Bill had in Cleveland. He called it the
offensive Lineman Development program with Pat Hill. Remember Pat Hill,
the old Fresno State coach who was on those Brown staffs.

(20:09):
That was basically what he was tasked with. You know,
we're going to give you a bunch of young raw
linemen and you're going to make them NFL players. And
they had success doing that. Dante was fantastic at it,
and that's why you had guys like Brandon Goren and
Tom Ashworth and you know it wasn't always Matt Lighte
and Nate Solder and Lecture that were you know, first

(20:29):
three round picks. They had a lot of undrafted free
agents that just sort of bided their time and eventually
they needed to you know, when they needed to play,
they were ready, Dave, because they were very well schooled.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
Yeah, I mean they had a line at one point
that was Marcus Cannon right sixth round pick. I think
fifth sixth round pick.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I would just say answer is yeah, a little lastress on him,
because he would have been a Jack Mason. Jack Mason
mid round pick.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Mid round pick that wasn't invited to the combine. David
Andrews drafted Joe Toney third round pick, and they had
a fantastic line, you know, like out of those guys,
and Nate's older was the left tackle and he was
the first round pick, and he might have been the
worst that group.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I think to your point to Paul, like throughout the
years when they had a pinch, they always seem to
have a guy able to step in. Bruss Hochstein, you know,
they always seem to have a guy ryan to step in.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
There's the long list of you know, and I go
back one hundred years, you know, when Chris wasn't even
around yet. You know, Greg Robinson, Randall, you know, there's
names that you go way back, and you know they
plugged him in and they were fine. You know, I'm
not telling you they were as good as Shack Mason

(21:41):
and Joe Toney. You know, Stephen Neil like the ultimate
example of this guy who didn't even play football.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
I'm gonna I'm gonna still steal another Paul take and
just play the other side for just a second. And
I think the biggest thing that I look at with this,
with this draft and what the Patriot should do at
the top, Paul, You've always said about Brady he made
the line better. Yeah, he made the line better. And
I know we talk about it with Brady because of
the quick release and the pocket awareness and the things

(22:08):
that he would do in the pocket with his mobility.
But it doesn't always need to be just like, you
can make the line better by being Jaden Daniels and
getting the heck out of dodge when there's pressure around.
You can be better for your offensive line like Drake
may does, which is the subtle movements in the pocket
where he knows the pressure is coming from this direction
and he'll just kind of subtly move to his right

(22:30):
and he has the arm talent and then flick it
back to his left and still get it there. You know,
those are the little things that you see these quarterbacks
do where all of a sudden, Cole Strange looks a
little bit better. City so looks a little bit better,
and you're like, oh, the tackle situation. No, we can
work with this. This isn't as bad as we thought
it was, and that's why the quarterback can change everything.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, and the flip side of that is maybe you
do need to pick better, you know, more talented quote
unquote offensive lineman because you don't have that luxury of
having a guy who you know is going to make
those guys better. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, Paul, you mentioned quarterback, tackle, wide receiver, and I
think that's kind of been the common refrain here as
we get down, Like you know what order I mean,
for me and I think a lot of others, it's
get the quarterback, get that tackle, and then there's you know,
wide receivers that you can kind of supplement. But my
question for the panel though, is what's the first position
taken outside of that through those three position groups? And

(23:22):
maybe it comes earlier, but just what position group could
you see being drafted maybe maybe even you know, in
the first or second round. I don't want to get crazy,
but what's the first position group outside of that group
that you think it's taken tease?

Speaker 6 (23:33):
I think it's edge.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
I think there's just a lot of great players there,
like kind of as we said, round three round four guys,
and I think that might be a moment where take
the best player that's on the board. And I've seen
a lot of the mocks. You know, you got some
of the Penn State guys there. I don't know it
just it just seems like, hey, are we going to
do a dart thrower. Get Hey, this guy's a really
good prospect that slipped. And you can never have too
many edge guys. So I'm going with the dge position.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah, you big Chopp Robinson finish to agree with Tease there.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
I think edge position is so depth in this draft,
and I'm a big Chop Robinson guy.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
As evant to.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Take him at thirty four if he's still there.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
I know, I know, I really like Chopp though, I
think he has a lot of a lot of show.
And if you don't go in one.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Of those three, you got a spot area.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
I agree. I think Ed Rusher, Matthew Judon last year
of his contract. We don't know if he's going to
be around. Josh uj signed a one year deal, so
you don't know what he's gonna You know, you start
to look at early on in the draft. I think
they need to hit the immediate holes that we've been
discussing for six months. But you start to talk about
early day three, we're getting into, okay, what are the

(24:37):
holes in the twenty twenty five roster, and you have
to think about, you know, the two year depth chart
of what this looks like and if Judon's not there,
if ouj is not there, you know, those are spots
that maybe you need to fill. You know, a couple
of names, you know, Gabriel Murphy from UCLA is a
guy that I've really liked in this process. He's, you know,
the other guy to late to lat to. On the
other side, he's one of those guys that can move

(24:59):
around a little bit though. He can rush over the
guard center in line, he can rush from the outside
and he has experience doing that. So that's a really
you know, patriot type of thing at that spot. I mean,
you also look at you know, the kid from Kansas,
Austin Booker, who I think is going to be a
really good pro but is super young and raw. You know,
you give him, he put him in that room. You
give Joe Cammon, DeMarcus Covington a year with him, he

(25:20):
learns under Matthew Judon, maybe next year. You know, Austin
Booker is now all a sudden a breakout player for
you. You know, those are the types of guys that I
would look at, you know, two total polar opposites, because
Murphy's a little bit older and Booker is one of
the youngest players in the draft, if not the youngest
player in the draft. So I would look more of Booker,
who they had in for a visit for that exact reason.
Let him develop behind the scenes. He doesn't have to

(25:41):
play this year at that spot, so you allow him
to develop a little bit.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, I agree with these guys on edge. I would
I'm going to go with defensive back. I mean, I
don't know if it's a corner or a safety. I
think it's going to be interesting to see how there's
a couple of things defensively that I'm sort of curious about.
But special teams wise, if the changes to the kickoff
rules are going to change the sort of makeup of

(26:09):
some of those players, like you're gonna need bigger players
because it's it's the kick return has kind of become
more of a running play. So Bill was saying, you know,
and that's what I'm sort of jumping off on He
didn't really take it that far, like, you know, you're
gonna need more linebackers, but I feel like Jonathan Jones,

(26:29):
you know, just sort of kind of get into that
area where you're wondering, you know, when's the drop off
gonna come. We talked about the sort of the lack
of a true center fielder. They have a bunch of
good players at safety that are all kind of similar.
So I think I think they need some depth in
the in the secondary.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Because there's a lot of really good players in this
draft for those two spots, and that's not always common.
Is a really a deep slot corner draft in particular,
you know, it's starts with your boys. It starts with
your boy Sandstrill, right like he's probably the top of
the board.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
But my.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Mac, well that too, Max Melton from Rutgers. You know,
they're one of those guys that's probably going to be
a nickel in the league. You know, that's the top
of the board. But it goes pretty deep in rounds.
I would say two through four specifically guys that the
NFL projects to play inside slot. Then you have center
fielders too, you know, Kaylen Bulk is my guy from USC.

(27:27):
You know, you have different guys that can play up
top Cam Kitchens from Miami. I've been looking for the
darn Harmon for the Patriots center literally since Darn Harmon left.
And every year we get in the draft and it's
seventeen box safeties. You know, it's seventeen Kyle Duggars. It's
guys that are playing a ton of split safety zone
because that's what they play in college. They play quarters

(27:49):
because they want to give up the big plays. This
draft is one of the unique drafts where there's true
post middle of the field safeties. And I just have
to wonder to complete it, to put it all together.
Do they take one of those guys in the third
or fourth round and now all of a sudden, the
secondary really fits the pieces, the puzzle pieces really fit
together back there.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, I think it's we always talk about that one
other position though, I just want to mention, and I
love what you guys said about edge. I totally agree
with that, But I want to talk about running back too,
because I think running backs a position that you got
a need. But but it's you know, you talk about
how good well it would line up if you were
able to get quarterback tackle, and you know, those kind
of positions line up with where their picks are, and

(28:30):
they might have to trade back up into the first
if they really wanted one of those tackles. But it
just feels like these like round three, four or five
running backs, you don't have to overextend yourself. They're not
going to be in every down kind of workhorse. But
you could get a guy, you know, in the fourth
round that could step in. And I mean, is this
kind of a need that we're not talking enough about?
Maybe running back?

Speaker 5 (28:49):
I think so, yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I think Stevenson in his last year, I think it's
a need.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
But I mean we've talked about before. Running back is
just such a position where like that's a that could
be a UDFA guy that I mean, six round.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
I just feel like there are other holes on this team.
If you're talking fifth round and you know you pass
up on the lineman, I think that's where you take
the lineman. I don't think like running backs not.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
But I mean would you take a second tackle over
a running back? You know, like, is it is?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
It?

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Is it that bad?

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I just think like tackle linemen in general is get injured.
So much.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I think this is where I kind of feel, and
I understand what everybody's saying. I don't necessarily disagree with
any of the thoughts that that you guys are all
having about all the different positions. And Evan succinctly put
it like like they can't really go wrong. They have
a need at almost every spot. But I think that
you have to try to stay away from we need

(29:40):
to fill all these needs right away, like we need
stars at every spot, like at some point, and I
don't know where that is. I I'm even going in
the second round, and I've kind of made a change
because philosophically, I was sort of thinking quarterback, tackle, wide receiver,
and I've kind of changed and Evan started this little
it got me thinking about it and one of the

(30:02):
rare times he's changed my view on something. Wow, Okay,
so that's off to you.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
No, I'm not insulted.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'm proud I actually answered, and we you know, we
did some of the questions and we all you know,
you know, answered some of the things. And I went quarterback,
wide receiver, wide receiver because I'm not sure the value
at tackle is as high as wide receiver. Once you
get to like let's say thirty five. Yeah, yeah, you know,
and if they I understand they need a tackle. And

(30:30):
I'm not dismissing this is not one of my year
offensive line in your own time sort of dismissals. I'm
not doing that. I understand how important it is that
they find a tackle, but you can't force it. And
I think that you get in trouble when you say, well,
I have a tackle on my board at thirty four,
but I haven't rated as the eighty fifth best player
in the draft, and I have about eight wide receivers

(30:51):
between thirty four and eighty five. I got to take
one of those wide receivers. The same is true, you know,
to Tisse's point about running back, if the running back
is a good player and you feel like the value
is there, take them. Because I agree with Evan, I
think you need a running back.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
You do.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
But but I, you know, I don't have to have
a tackle because I need a tackle. You have to
try to stay somewhat close to your board.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, I think we probably maybe. I mean it seems like,
at least internally based on what I Well said last week,
that like they might believe in their tackles a little
bit more than we all do.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Do you think that that was true?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I don't know. I mean, I I don't love the
thought of Chucks, who I'm still working on.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I got confirmation. I asked, it's each heap changing on me.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
I can't choose.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
That's my pomp.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I think it's Chucks.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
I'll take the response for.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Think about this though. What we're going to is this
draft four? Is this Draft four or five for us?
Like we've had ceed Lamb, We've had a lot, Like
all these receivers we've just missed, Like we keep whiffing
and missing on receivers, and now we're at thirty four.
We could potentially go back up and get one of
the first round, like let's let's make the sexy pick.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, And I mean to that point, like you know
Evan saying if it was Drake, may probably have to
siff for a little bit, but you go and get
a wide receiver there, like you want him in there
like game.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
One if you have a you know, and I'm just
throwing names out, I'm not exactly sure what these guys
are all. Like if you had like Troy Franklin or
the kid from Houston, Paul, like who do you have
ranked higher? Yeah, Patrick Pole, Yeah it right, look at me,
tackle at you.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
If you had those two guys and they're ranked similarly,
right by all means, if you feel like you need
the tackle board, take them. But if you have one
of those guys significantly ahead of the other, I think
you just want right now. I think the most important
thing for Elliott Wolf and the rest of that brain
trust is to find good football players, regardless of position.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
It's a it's a shallow tackle class. It's not very
deep at that position. It's very top heavy. There's a
bunch of really good tackles that are going to go
in the top fifty. But Patrick Paul is one of
those guys that the tackle tacks, he might go much higher.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
I think he's going to get to and higher than
he should.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
He's probably a third round value in most drafts. But
the drop off from Patrick Paul to the next wave
of tackles is so significant that I think that he's
an early second round guy simply because of the the
way the board is going to fall. So you know,
you're looking, you know, I was listening to Jeremiah a
little bit yesterday. Danieljeremiah from NFL Network, and he said

(33:23):
that everybody's trading up for a tackle, like every there's
so many tackles that are going in that first round
that everybody wants because then it's the cupboard's bear. Once
the parade goes by, it's over. And so that's I
think something that to keep in mind with how they
go about this order of operations. The tackle class might

(33:44):
drop off so hard after thirty four that they might
have to take the tackle there.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, and the Patriots are one of many teams probably
that we're going to try to trade back up if
that was you know, it seems like a lot of
teams be interested.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
I was just gonna go back to Paul's point about
the wide receivers, like, if you can get to that
second thing round and if you wanted to go quarterback,
wide receiver, wide receiver again, how how important the office
tackle position is for the Patriots, Like it's huge, but
you also need those playmakers at wide receiver you don't
have again I'm gonna say eye popping again, but you
don't have that eye popping playmaker in the wide receiver

(34:18):
cors right now outside of Tomorrow Douglas, who is arguably
sending at your third slot wide receiver. And I mean
you have the guys like Xavier Lagett and Ricky Pierre
saw that could follow the second third round maybe, And
I mean you have picks and rounds two and three.
I think those are two guys you possibly if they're
on the board. I doubt that they're both there. I
think they're both second round guys.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
But somebody's gotta fall, Chris. I mean that's and then
I think you talk about the edge players. I mean
that's you know, Chop Robinson, like, I mean, that's if
there is a run on the tackles and everybody's trading
up to get tackled, some position is going to get
pushed down. But another thing I actually did, I printed
this out.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
And then I'm happy that you printed that out.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Well did you?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I saw that today.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
I thought it was an interesting So San from Kentucky
wrote in and and actually, and we'll get to some
emails here in the last half hour. But but Sam,
thanks for the email asking about the schefter's tweet with
the first round hit rate, which I have right here. No,
I'd printed it big enough that you can maybe.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Not much of a difference between tackle and quarterback in
terms of hits. Yeah, that's so, that's and that's what
A thunk it.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
If only there was a center available in the top ten.
I mean, you can't miss a ninety two percent. But
you know, we talked about this a lot Paul on
PU and stuff, and I just thought it was interesting,
and I've seen other numbers. I guess it always depends
on what the creates.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Depends on who the evaluator is. I will I will
submit their criteria. Was simply earned a second contract with
the original team, which I think is stinks. Definitely flawed. Yeah,
definitely flowed.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Not a great way to do it.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's I totally agreek. However, I think it's not a
great way to do it for all of the positions.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
Yeah, do you know what I'm saying, especially wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I don't think a tackle is less likely to get
a second contract if he stinks, then a quarterback is,
you know, like so, but it's a flawed I think
it's flawed, but it's flawed the same for all positions. Yeah,
I just think that wide receiver is at the bottom
of that list. I think, Yeah, twenty seven seven percent.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
And a couple of the you know, the recent you know,
you got guys that get traded. You know, you got
guys that that don't Just A.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Brown doesn't count as a system major flaw system.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
You got a J.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Brown didn't get a second contract.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Right, You get guys that have the fifth year option,
so like they have they're buying time with that. Like
so like, what is what's the I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I I basically, you can't get more of a hit
on a first round pick, I mean on a pick
than AJ Brown and he didn't get a second contract
with his team. Yeah, so he counts as a miss.
That's the flaw in that system. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
So yeah, it is center as top at ninety two percent.
Of course that's a twelve, so not not not a
high amount of numbers. I mean the the edges are
one hundred and four, uh, and they're forty four percent.
But I don't know, I just I thought this was
a good, you know, kind of point of contention. But
I mean, really it's quarterback is it seems like it's
fifty to fifty and it's probably more than that. I
think you're.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Looking at them all and they're all roughly the same.
Is my point. Like this like, you know, low tackles
of sixty four quarterbacks are fifty six, right, Yeah, what's
what's the difference?

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Really, tackle fifty nine fifty nine if that was fifty four, yeah,
fifty nine okay, yeah, a little bit a little bit more,
but a little bit a little bit higher. Attack the
point does stand? I mean the last thing I think
I saw was that quarterbacks were like sixty, which was better.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
But again, well, and the other part of that too
is like the quarterback is like harder because it's much
more of an investment, right, So you know, you got
to be really sure to get that second contract. Whereas
a tackle, let's say a tackle's okay, you can resign him, right, yeah,
you know it's not going to break the bank if

(37:50):
he's just okay. I mean, you'll break the bank if
he's a pro, like you know, he's an All pro.
You gotta pay for that.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
And then look at the twenty twenty one quarterback class.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Where did Nate Soldier get a second contract with the Patriots?
I think you did. I think I thought he got
a small he got a small extension.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
Yeah, before you went to the Giants.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, they kind of struggle along a little bit like
that counts as a hit. Yeah, well it was, and
it was a good don't pick a good topic. And
I appreciate Sam wrightening because I was I was thinking
the same thing. So so let's take a few emails here. Actually,
you know what, we have a call. Let's take that.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Sorry to get.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
That mouse ready. I don't know if they used them
differently in California, but let's you need to mouse that.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
Okay, they really need to get really but I think
that is all right.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
We got Tyler from Florida.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I actually walk back.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
You might have thanks for calling Tyler.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
What's going on?

Speaker 7 (38:43):
My idea was the Chargers might want to trade up
to get Marvin Harrison Junior, because the Cardinals are definitely
taking aim if not, so if we could get there
first and second under we could take like Marius Min's
in the second and ladd m Concrete and then take
Drake May in the first.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah trade trade? Uh scenario for trading up? What do
you think of that?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
I mean I would piece out.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
Very very worried that some team would trade into four
with Arizona and take Trake May.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Absolutely so I would not do that for that that
opens the door for the more value to that absolutely.
And uh so the Chargers are trading from five to
three and they're giving you a first and a second.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Well, I guess he's saying a pick swap, right, and then.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Oh okay and the okay yeah, yea, yeah, probably right.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
There's always so much confusion in that.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
But but if it's just a pick swap and you're
getting a second, yeah, that's that's plausible.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
If Drake May is your guy, you have to take
Drake May at three.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
It's it's also like teams are selling the farm furthest player.
Shouldn't you want that player?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Can? I ask another question? And this is totally up
to you guys. You guys are the draft experts, and
you guys have been in you guys are in the
dark room. Is Marvin Harrison worth trading up for?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I I would say no in my boot, Like.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
If you're the Chargers and you want Marvin Harrison but
Arizona takes them, can't you just take my leak neighbors?

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, I wouldn't say it's worth trading up for in
this draft because of how much talent there is at
that position in this draft. But he is, I mean,
he's the number one receiver in the class. There's no
question about that.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Well, I think Daniel Jeremiah disagrees, but I think that's
I'm not even arguing that that he's not the number one.
I think he is the number one guy. I'm just saying, like,
if you're the Chargers, and I like, do I have
to give up resources to go up and get.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
That?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Some people don't even think is the number one wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
I think that not having Marv as wide receiver one
in this class is classic prospect fatigue. Like absolutely classic
prospect fatigue. There's no way that you can Malik Neighbors
is a great talent. Dunsay is a great talent. Those
guys are not Marvin Harrison. Like Marvin Harrison to me,
is in the same tiers as like when Jamar Chase

(40:56):
came into the draft or you know, going backways. I
think the big comparison for a lot of people as
AJ Green, like Julio Jones, like those types of talents
like that's that's Marvin Harrison. I think Neighbors is maybe
a little bit of notch below that. But if I
agree with you that I wouldn't give up the bag
to trade up forget Mark. It wouldn't cost them that

(41:18):
much to move up two spots. But I'm just I
don't know why you would pay anything to move on.
Not because I'm anti Harrison, but I think a lot
of neighbors yeah too, I just think, Okay, I'd rather
have Harrison, but I'll take neighbors. Yeah, or in my
second round pick you know I'm with you on that, Evan,
you love comps. We got email from Ford and Savannah, Georgia.

(41:40):
One conference I haven't really.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Heard was Ben Roethlisberger. Both big, hard to bring down
in great arms, maybe probably a little more shift you,
possibly a better arm. But I always thought big Ben
was a little underrated and we'd be happy to have
a QB of that pedigree.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
What do you guys think, I've not to jump on
the email or I've seen that cop a lot.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
Yeah, big Ben is obviously, like Big Ben's a Hall
of Famer. So like if he, if Drake may ends
up being as good as Big Ben, than the Patriots
have done great. I think big Ben was different. Now
my memory of big Ben is probably more loafy, out
of shape big bend yeah, more so than he. Yeah,

(42:18):
I remember you know him coming into the league and
obviously playing the Patriots in the playoffs and stuff like that.
But Paula and you Deuce would have a better memory
of like rookie young big Ben, But I think Drake
May is a little bit more nimble than than Ben,
like Cam Newton. Yeah, I see a lot of I
see a lot of Alan and Herbert certainly. I see

(42:41):
a lot of Jordan Love in him as well, if
you want to, you know, go more of like the
developmental cop.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
That's a good one. That was the biggest thing that
stood out to me in Green Bay when we were
watching him was and it's kind of a Drake May
similar thing. Where's just inconsistency. It was like, you know,
a couple of plays, you'd be like, holy crap, Jordan
Love is like just torching the Patriots right now, and
then all of a sudden it'd be like an docking.
But what the hell is going on?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
You know?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
That kind of.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Inconsistent That goes back to the be patient thing. Evan said, Yeah,
because he first hit the hit the field and people
were like, this is what are you doing.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
I just have this fear of preseason game number one,
where you know, little play action little dump on the
flat and he throws it like over the guy's head
because he's inaccurate at times. Yeah, Like he's a little loose,
you know, with his mechanics sometimes. And I think there's
gonna be some easy throws quote unquote that he misses

(43:28):
and people are gonna freak.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah, Kurt Werner likes to call them boring throws. Yeah,
and the boring throws are often the ones that he missed.
It make you know, he's like one of those guys,
like a you know, basketball that can like hit a
three with a guy in his face, but then when
he has the wide open three, he bricks it.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, he's a fifty two percent three point shooter who
shoots sixty two the line.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Yeah, but you also look at him and I actually
have the opposite here, probably because I'm a Drake May guy.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I love Drake.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
I think we're gonna get into training camp with Drake
May and Jacobe were said, and Bailey's appy, we're gonna
be like, you're you're not gonna start the kid like
you're you're gonna you're gonna play these other kids. You're
gonna play these other guys because Drake May is gonna
get out there and yeah, he's gonna have some ducks
and he's gonna have some misses, but he's also gonna
throw a fifty yard bomb off his back foot and
we're gonna be like, so we're going with the other guy.

(44:16):
He catch it, and and that's to my original point.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
This is a media core who when guy got over
Mac Jones doing this and.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yact so that.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
But that's my other point. You know, my thing with
the preseason is well, what if he freaking is awesome, Like,
then what do you do? And C. J. Strode wasn't awesome.
J Drod threw a pick right to Jalen Mills on
his first Remember how he looked in that game.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah, if you had said to me that day that
this guy is going to lead his team to the playoffs,
they're gonna go to the playoffs because of him and
win a game, I would have said you were insane
based on that. For that just shows you how little
preseason football mays.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Yeah, but to my original point, and then I started
the show. The Patriots in my mind, need to stick
to their guns, like they are planning on him, sitting
and developing him the Mahomes way just because he has
a great preseason game and the fans are clamoring for it.
You you gotta stick with the plan. Now, maybe the

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plan does expedite a little bit, like maybe he's in
there by week eight or nine instead of week you know,
you're two. But you can't just change everything just because
he had a great preseason game or a great joint
practice or something like that.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
You have a plan, you have conviction, just like the pick.
You have conviction and the players that you're taking. You
have a plan, you stick to it.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
I have a question reguarding the second round pick, okay,
or just in general, do you think there's a big
trade is a trade on the hold on.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Hold let's let's try that into the first round, or
just for a vet let me let me let me.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Trade up into the first round maybe take away I
don't know, two.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Picks, because this is one thing. You know, we're kind
of summing everything up here. We're trying to in the
last episode, but he springs up a great point. I
was just about to tee it up with with a
question from Ron in Conway. You, I'm sure, what's the
possibility of us working out some type of draft day deal?
To get a UK or AJ Brown. I think this
is another, you know, big piece of this draft that
people have been kind of talking about a little bit.
You just said it again, Teast. I mean, what do

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you guys think is there a chance the Patriots make
one of those kind of splash moves? I mean AJ
Brown seems like it's all based on his Instagram, like
who he was following and stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I would put the AJ Brown at less than one person.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Me too, like it.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
But you know, I'm not a big cat, you know,
you know, I'm not a big cap space guy. It's
like a forty eight million dollar dead dead cap hit
for the Eagles. It doesn't make any sense for them
to trade him this year.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Next year dead cap hit too, and they still did it.
So if there's a twenty million dollar difference, RT, But
if there's enough in people in the building, what's the
biggest non quarterback dead cap hit in history? Yeah, and
there's a twenty million dollar gap. Yeah, it's it's a
lot of money. I would say no to Paul's point.

(46:56):
You know, I know it's a little tongue in cheek
about consolidating picks, but the trade from thirty four that
gets kicked around is thirty four their fourth round pick,
and then the extra sixth round pick that they got
for mac Jones would get you enough to move up
into the twenties for one of these tackles eighty Mitchell,

(47:18):
you know something along those lines, three for one. Love it,
but now you are giving up three picks. Now, the
sixth round pick to all of us, I think is like, right,
do that on your own time. But the fourth round
picks of value. That's basically a top one hundred pick,
and so that's a little bit value more valuable. But
if you feel really really good about Adie Mitchell, Tyler Geyton, a,
Marius Mims, you know one of those players that's going

(47:39):
to go there, then you do it.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah. The brown thing also more importantly than the cap pick,
because you guys know, I'm not being disingenuous. I don't
think I don't care about the cap hit. Anybody can
be traded. He doesn't make that much money this year.
He's a very affordable number this year. Next year is
when they have their out. It's kind of like Daniel
Jones with the Giants. Everybody's you know, Jones probably will
have every opportunity to be the Giants quarterback again in

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twenty four because the decision really to cut Ties is
next year. And I think it's the same with A J.
Brown if you look at it now. He put Tom
Brady on his avatar and people lost their minds. He's
his favorite player, has been since he hasn't. I'm not dismissed.
To listen, I'm not dismissing the whole. Well, that's the
other thing is he gets through his favorite team. Yes,

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not after last year, probably not anymore.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
Well, in twenty nineteen they were and they still didn't
draft him right, and he was he was devastating.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah, he's gotten over it. It's been a couple of.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Years or A J.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
Brown's kind of had this back and forth with the
Eagles and possible trade conversations and.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Well, and the jumping off point was the extension for
Smith and now he's but he's already paid. Yeah, bigger
than Smith's.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Yeah, I just said Brandon Iuk because we've talked a
lot about A J.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Brown.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
I think the biggest thing with Brandon Iuk is that
he's under team control for two more years. He has
his fourth year and then he has his fifth year option.
The year after that and is twenty six and is
one of the best receivers in the league. So I
look at all those things and I see that's gonna
be a significant trade, Like that's gonna be a lot
to get him out of San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
You're not just giving up like a pick.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Right, I think that that's probably thirty four and then
maybe your first round pick next year.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Next year.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Yeah, but I mean, no question what the Patriots need
and could slip into what they have right now, perfectly complimented.
Be that outside guy and.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
You'll throw ju in.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Oh yeah, sure, beg beg of. That's nice to you,
and a beg of balls. All right, Ryan Milford, Hey,
thanks for calling in. What's going on?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
How's it going? How's it going? Good? Good?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
I was wondering as this episode finishes up, what you
guys think the steal of the draft will be good?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Great question? Now, yeah, there's your calling, right, Yeah, thanks
for calling run.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Steal is just like this guy steal the draft in general,
just like, how do you like how do you know?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Like what if you said means night well done? Well
try Franklin is the guy I kind of like for Oregon. Okay,
I'm gonna say he's going to be the steel with
the draft, but he goes twenty to the first round steel, right,
do you know what I mean? Like, I don't know
where the guy gets picked.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
We it's also like your question, Paul, who's going to
be the biggest bust? And it's like there's a certain
line of like you can't be a bust if you're
drafted like second round on right, or I mean you
mean like a mid first round on. Like it's got
to be a guy that's gonna go in the top
fifteen that has some hype, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Like Kevin J. J. McCarthy.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
I mean, I think, like you right, a right marketing
team JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
I'll tell you that he sure does well.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
All of a sudden, gonna go number one overall after
not playing a game of football.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
How many games?

Speaker 2 (50:45):
He lost?

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Three games?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
And by the way, we're not publishing those those are
just the we are now the bus. The busts are
just stuff we talk about. But I think if you believe,
I just don't want people said they should and then
they took jaydon jails and then they took it down. J. J.
McCarthy and those chickens that they put it. No, we're
not publishing who we think is the biggest bust in
the draft.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Now it's I mean, it's hard, but I mean I
think if you believed in one of those quarterbacks, like
the second tier kind of guys, Like if you really
believe like in Michael Pennix, like our friend Eldred, does
you know somebody like that, I could see that makes sense.
Is like he's going to be the breakout if you felt.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Wanted to make for Ryan's question, michaelis.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, the Pinnicks. I agree, it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
If he's like the fifth quarterback taking he turns out
to be the best, that's a steal.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
Yeah, So I would go with some of these Day
two receivers. That's a good I just think that some
of these guys, you know, my guy's Roman Wilson. I
think Roman Wilson if he played for Washington or Texas
and one of those offenses that threw the ball six
hundred times, his numbers would have been through the roof
the only reason why he didn't have the production was
because of the type of offense that he was in
at Michigan. Great film, great Senior Bowl. You know, just

(51:54):
gets open all the time. I've compared him to Mon
Ross Saint Brown throughout this whole thing, because he's just
one of those guys is uncoverable in the slot. At times,
I think that there's a really good chance at some
one at Roman Wilson, Ricky Piersall, Jalen McMillan, Jalen Polk,
Like one of those guys is gonna be one hundred
catch guy in the league, and he's gonna go in
the third round, and he's gonna be Terry McLaurin, and

(52:15):
we're gonna be like, how did this happen?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
You know, I don't know who it's gonna be, but
it's gonna be a wide resei.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I got to ask Evan this though, like, so twenty
seven percent here on this and we know that it's
kind of flawed, but like, of this wide receiver group
that you look at the first round guys that are
gonna go, I mean, do you really think that only
one in four of these receives?

Speaker 5 (52:32):
And I would wonder, so that was going all the
way back to two.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Thousand and it's through nineteen, right, and.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
I would wonder if we did it the last decade.
And I understand that you can't do like last year's
class were already you're not supposed to do that sort
of thing. But if I think that two things. One,
the receivers have gotten better this point blank.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
The last five years, it feels like the receivers are committed,
made immediate impacts.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
The talent has just gotten better. I think the seven
on seven stuff, the spring football stuff. These guys are
catching the ball, running around year round, starting in like
the seventh grade. I think the other thing is is
that we probably have gotten better at evaluating the position
now that it's a more premium spot on the roster.
Like I just don't think that you're gonna see like
Roy Williams anymore. Like you know who's King, nik Hill, Harry,

(53:20):
you know, Kevin White, you know, like those types of guys.
I just I think that these guys now are so
much better than those guys were.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
You know what I think? Also, you know, it's like,
you know, you talk about what've gotten better evaluating I
think they obviously they're systems that they're in. Are you
know that they're throwing the ball so much more in
college than ever before. But think about how many guys
are now doing the evaluating of that different kind of
that that young offensive mind, system based offensive mind. They

(53:49):
know what they're looking for a little bit more than
the do you. And I'm not This is not a
shot at Bill, but the traditional old school defensive minded
coaches that have been around for thirty years. You know,
Bill didn't love wide receivers.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
In Jim, he thought Jonathan Baldwin was just as good
as Julio Jones.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Know he didn't.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
We don't forget that, but he didn't.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
He didn't. I don't think he respected the position. Yeah,
if you felt like it was one of the complimentary spots,
whereas I feel now, if you pulled the thirty two
head coaches, twenty eight of them would say wide receiver
is a premium spot like it used to be, like quarterback,
left tackle, edge guy, cover guy. Yep. I'm not sure
that it's wide receiver isn't displaced certainly one or if

(54:31):
not two of those spots.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
I think they call it on the move, the sticks podcast,
the like triple P's or something like that. It's like
passers playmakers and uh in past us pass rushers maybe
or like those are like the I should know this
off the top of my head. But those are that's
like the buzz word, right, all right, those are like
the buzz positions. I just know playmaker is one of them.

(54:54):
That's why I brought it up that they the people
around the league, not just US media people, but people
are on the league are now putting playmaker. Whether that's
a Travis Kelcey or it's a you know, DeVante Adams,
they're now putting that in the category of these other
premium positions.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Like it's been ten years, you know, at least since
running backs were thought of that way. Yeah, you know,
and the running backs went away and now I think
the wide receiverserve replaced them.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Speaking of that, congratulations to Reggie Bush forgetting his.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
We're coming down the pike here, but let's let's just
grab Patty and agam Hey.

Speaker 8 (55:31):
Patty, what is up everyone?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
We're ready for this draft, man, That's what's up.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:38):
I've been ready since about h October October eighth, the
same game. So I got a question about a prospect
that I think is sort of flying under the radar.
Roger Rosengarden ye offensive tackle. He was Michael Penix's blind
side tackle. Granted he played on the right side, but
you look at the guy. You look at his numbers,

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thirty two total pressures over the last two years with
zero sacks and like Evan said, both both years over
six hundred pass attempts. How come he's matt generating as
much buzz? And if we were to pick him, do
you think we could flip him to LT And that's
all I got, guys, Thanks Patty.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Yeah, not to not to pick on Patty. I think
Roger Rosengarden's getting a lot of buzz.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
I think that he's somebody that the league is very
very high on the first round. Not gonna, I don't
think he's going to go that high.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
But so he's one of the guys that actually has
some promise that's in the second time.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I just I judge it on the pall tests. If
it's a tackle that I know about, he's getting buzz. Yeah,
he's there.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
You go.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
Let me put you this way. He's going in the
top sixty four right, Like I'd be pretty shocked if
he's there by round three. Very explosive mover, so like
zone teams are gonna love him, like you know, because
he can get lateral and he can move his feet
in very very good range at the position. His biggest
concern is is just general size and play straight. He's

(56:58):
not a very long, big tack, and you know that's
works against him because he's he's very aggressive to make
up for that, and these well schooled rushers, Oh you're
gonna come jump out at me, swim move by, you know.
Like those types of things happen a lot to him
on film against the better teams like Michigan ate his
lunch in the National Championship game. But you watch the
rest of his film and the other eleven games, he's

(57:20):
like outstanding, but that one game he was really rough.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
So and if that's kind of the you know, his size,
and that might not necessarily be conducive to making the
switch to the left side. I know nothing about how
hard it is, other than what the coaches have always
said that it's not an easy trans Yeah. I think
that one sounds like he's built like a right tackle. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:40):
I think the one thing for him is just gonna
be let's get him into an NFL strength and conditioning
program and see if we can improve his anchor so
that he doesn't have to be so aggressive. You know,
guys that are big like Patrick Paul. You know, he
just sits back in his chair and waits for you
to come to him, and he's you're not gonna go
through me because I'm three hundred and forty pounds, so
you're gonna have to go around me. I'm gonna sit
back like this. Roger rosen Garden it's like three oh five,

(58:02):
three hundred, So he has to be aggressive and go
get guys. And that's where you know, those smart guys
will get into them.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
All right, guys, we're coming down. We had two minutes
left here. I mean, this is capping off months of
draft coverage. It feels like, as Patty said, going back
to October. But have we missed anything here? I mean
we've done so many shows, Patriots of Filter, Patriots Draft Countdown, Interviews,
Prospect Breakdown. I mean, we've done it. What have we
missed something? That's the last question I have for y'all.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Mike, this is your opportunity to talk about Holy Cross.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
We were just talking about it. I know Jalen Coch
almost sent you text the screenshot of the Holy Cross
all twenty times.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
I've had some some coaches from former coaches from Holy
Cross expressing dissatisfaction that they haven't gotten Evan las our
film breakdown. Put a clip up.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
There for the James Madison staff.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Oh they love the show. They're big Parillo fans. Say yeah,
they know, they know you introduced me. Yeah, you met
him last year. They're great guys and know they still
love all the shows. So but I feel like we've
kind of done a good job though summing everything up right.
I mean, I feel like we've covered it and now
it's just rubber meets the Road tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
We're gonna ask everybody would think the pick is.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (59:08):
I feel like something crazy go to happen when it
trade out. But I'm gonna say.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
So, I do this every single year because I'm I'm
just I'm a nerd. Like I'm just it's so bad.
But every single year I watch my favorite player in
the draft his best tape again. I I haven't watched
it Drake May tape since like January, not.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Letting yourself do it.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
No, I did it last night with both him and Jayden,
and I watched Drake May against Syracuse where he just
absolutely tore them apart. And I watched Jaden Daniels against Florida,
which was a video game like yeah, which is absolutely stupid.
And I do it every single year because I want
to remind myself of like we nitpick these guys, and

(59:53):
we'd raak these guys through the coles for six months.
Those guys are pretty darn good, Like they're pretty darn
good prospects and they can't go wrong with either guy.
So if Washington takes Jayden, I'm taking Drake. If they
take Drake, I'm taking Jayden. I'm not trading the pick.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
That's how Hi.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
I'm not doing anything stupid. I'm not doing anything crazy.
I think that that's I'm with you. That's what you
gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Well, there you have it, folks. That's going to be
a wrap on Patriots Draft count down presented by bud
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