Patriots Pregame Show 10/27: Jets Preview, Inactives Analysis and Keys to the Game

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the New York Football Jets. Kind of a defining week,
I think coming up the game this week, ladies and gentlemen,
a lot to discuss, a lot to discuss. It's been
an eventful week. Michael too.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Desperate teams. I think that's what stands out to me.
Two teams that are looking to write their season, and
certainly the Jets I think have a little bit maybe
more pressure. I'd say need need the game a little
bit more than maybe the Patriots do. On the grand
scheme of things, they have bigger hopes. But Patriots, look,
it's just a chance to win a game. That's what
you heard all week from the team. Focused on the win,
not about what's been good with Drake. It's been bad
with the offensive line, trying to get the run defense,

(02:33):
you know, going, the run offense going, all those things
are out of the window.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
I think they just they need to win a game
today and they know it.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Tamara You've had multiple opportunities to talk to players, both
in the interview room area and in the TV studio.
What's the sense that you get from the players after
speaking with them this week?

Speaker 6 (02:48):
The common denominator after speaking with the players this week
has been focusing on themselves. When you look at that
last matchup versus the Jets in week three, fourteen miss tackles.
Jacoby Brissette was sacked five times, pressured another thirteen. So
looking within and not beating yourselves, cleaning those things up
will be important today for this Patriots team.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah. I just think that they need to, quite frankly,
make sure that you know the coaches words that started
the whole thing last week, and you said, it's been
an eventful week Matt, with you know, with with Gerard
talking about the team played soft last week in London.
They need to make sure there's no question about that.
They need to compete and they need to. You know,

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you look around the locker room and say, well, I
don't know if he's talking about me, I don't know
if he's talking about Matt. I don't know if he's
talking about Mike. But I'm gonna make sure he knows
it's not me, and everybody needs to do the same thing,
you know. I mean it's the old cliche of looking
in the mirror, and I think that's where it all starts.
Like this is not about being one and six or whatever.
You know, Gerada said it in a million times. They

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expected to take some lumps. This is about pride, I think,
and I think that they need to, you know, put
a better effort today, regardless of the outcome of the game.
They need to play in a different style.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Mike. One of the things that we talked about during
the week, Paul and I use the word bumpy. We
knew it was going to be bumpy, you know this year.
Did you think it was going to be this bumpy?

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I think that's the funny thing, Matt, because when you
talked about what their win record might be at the
end of the season, it's probably in the vicinity still
of what we all thought it would be. But as
much as you prepare yourself for a one, two, three,
four win season, jarring, it's still it's always jarring.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
There's no way to really prepare for that.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
And I think some of the injuries, some of the
off the field issues, there's been a lot of auxiliary
things that have piled onto this team.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
It's not just the performance on the field.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
It's been a combination of factors on and off the field,
and I think, if anything, that's what's been most jarring.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
To me, Tamarrow. They said last week Coach Mayo said
he wanted to come out fast against Jacksonville. Boy did
they come out fast. That might have been the best
quarter of football the Patriots have played all year, and
then they followed it up with maybe the three worst
quarters they've played all year. Strike the balance between, you know,
they need to be more of that team in the
first quarter and a lot less of the team in

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the second, third, and fourth.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
I asked Kendrick Bourne about this in my one on
one with with with him this week, and he said,
this week we focused on not just starting those practices fast,
which they did last week leading up to that Jaguars game,
but ending them fast as well. So they did two
minute drills at the beginning and end of practice to
start emulating what they should be doing in this game
today against the Jets. So let's see if it shows

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up in today's game after practicing.

Speaker 7 (05:27):
It all week long.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
That's interesting. They would work a little bit extra on
the two minute stuff with an emphasis on that. I
like to hear that those kinds of things. It doesn't
always work, but I like to hear that there's there's
sort of a recognition of a problem and something, you know,
being done to try to remedy it.

Speaker 8 (05:43):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
That's we have got a beautiful day for football here
in Foxboro, Massachusetts when the one and six Patriots take
on the two and five Jets, an incredibly important game
for both teams.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
You gotta hand it to Matt though, like you can
make You're like John Facenda. You make these games like
one of the one and the one in psych the
one in six pages gets it two and.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
We have a great day.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Like you make it sound like this is like a
like a huge map. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, it is, it is.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
We gotta get it back, We gotta get get getting
me up.

Speaker 7 (06:13):
I'll tell I will say, rivalry games hit different.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
There's something about rivalry games, no matter what the two
teams records are, that's always different.

Speaker 7 (06:22):
So I like Matt Smith's energy.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Well, I will say this, It might not be a
big game nationally, but I'll tell you what, for a
lot of people in this building today. This is an
enormous game. And with that, mister Morrel, let's get to
the keys to the game. Please all week for the.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Whole teams in the locker room right now, just listening
to this, waiting to hear what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Here are the Patriots pregame socials keys to the Game.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Okay, I got late to the party on this. I
didn't realize that there was some sort of Finlish Finland
sort of like judging system that hardy implications.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yeah, no, last week, been trying to tell you, man,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Know what I missed it. I missed that memo.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I I apologize the East German judge kills me.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, I know, but so im with the one who's
talking right now. I'm gonna kick it off. And it's
really simple for the keys to the game compete, Paul,
you said it earlier in the show. I'm just looking
for the team to compete because I saw a lot
of non competitive football in the last three quarters last
week in London that just can't happen. You know, the
coaches sort of called them out. Whether we walked it

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back on Monday from Sunday, let's see let's see how
they respond. I think that's critical today. I'm not under
any illusions about win versus watch. It'd be great if
they could win this game today. I want to see
a team that comes out and is ready to compete
and competes for sixty minutes. That's imperative to me today
when they take on the Jets.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Absolutely, I mean it's just the baseline, and you know,
we do these keys, but they come in try to
make them complimentary mount But I think that's that's a
great bottom line. I think that's what the coaching staff
is looking for this week. Certainly, Paul talked all week
about run defense. Isn't a matter of talent. It's more,
like you said, a matter of competing and can the
run defense who let's face it going to be maybe

(08:06):
be a little bit banged up today. Daniel Laqualley popping up,
you know, on the injury report this week, not at
Friday's practice. He's played a lot for them, and he's
played well in spurts, So I think it's a huge
challenged whole team.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
They need to compete for sure.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
Deuce always does this to me and takes a key.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I just comment on his han't he hasn't given his
key yet.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
No, he always takes part of mind.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Maybe do you want to tee it up? I tee
it up. Go ahead.

Speaker 7 (08:34):
My key is stop the run, have some fun.

Speaker 6 (08:38):
What better way to show Jerrod Mayo, who said this
team is playing soft, that you're tough by winning the
battle in the trenches. I think that's where it all starts,
especially for this Patriots team that is allowing over the
past five games one hundred and sixty seven rushing yards.
It has to stop with being able. It has to
start with being able to stop the run. Especially with
this Jets team. If they can't get anything going with

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their passing attack, they can lean on Braylan Allen and
Breese Hall to get things going. They can wear this
team out the same way they did in Week three,
where those two average one hundred and nine yards.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
But Paul, this is not a Jaguars thing where all
of a sudden, the Jaguars just came down and reading
it down their throat. This is an ongoing probably in
the last three four weeks. Yeah, numbers are frightened.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
No, since you know and I know that everybody looks
at it, and just as you're making excuses. Since Juwan
Bentley left the lineup, they've allowed one hundred and sixty
five yards a game on the ground. And that's not
a small sample.

Speaker 9 (09:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
That was week two mm hm.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
So yeah, and I like Bentley, Paul, but it can't
be just one guy's it's not absence in the lineup
Rice now.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
And they have listen, it's it's Barmore, Bentley, Pepper's right
down the middle. But that's not what this is all about.
Mike alluded to it earlier.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
This is and it's fundamental strike And.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I'll just jump in. You know, I think you're you
and I were on the same wavelength this week, Matt,
I show some pride, like I just think you can't
allow you can't allow a team to line up and
run the ball seventeen consecutive plays Like this isn't high
school Like you need to be able to You need
to be able to just line up and say, I

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don't care what you do, but you're not gonna run
Tank Bigsby in between the tackles for five yards on display.
That doesn't require talent, That requires effort, commitment, toughness and
all those things that Gerard Mayo was talking about. So
show some of that today.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
I like Paul's key because every single week after the game,
there's a different defensive lineman saying we didn't play with
pride today, we didn't do our job today. Last week
it was Daniel Qualley. I think the week before it
was Devon Godshaw. So today, let's not have a post
presser where a defensive lineman is talking about we didn't
play with pride today.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
On a qualite.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
I just want to bring up one thing about a
quality and I know he didn't practice on Friday. Again,
we're sitting here pining over Daniel Lequale whether he will
or or not play. And that's not an indictment on
Daniel Laqualey. Daniel Laqualey, I think our friend mike Reeese
had today from a snap's perspective, is over seventy percent
playing time for the Patriots on the defensive line. Daniel Qualley.

(11:03):
I believe in June they had no idea, you know,
that was not going to be his role. He shouldn't
be playing over seventy percent of the snaps on the
defensive line. He's been heroic for the time that he's
put in, but he's not a seventy percent percent player
on this team. He's being put in a tough spot
and he's gotted it out. So kudos to him for
doing what he needs to do. Because they're shorthanded.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah they are.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
I mean, I'm still laughing about Pul's key because it
sounds like a disappointing parent like shows like I.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Feel like it's my dad, you know, a yelling at me.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Dad.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
I guess I'm glad I get to go last because
I think I went last on the text chain. But
I said any given Sunday, because I think everyone thinks
the Jets are gonna win this game. The Jets are
more talented team. They you know, have aspirations. They've added
DeVante Adams. Many people will tell you that, oh, you know,
once those guys get on track, it'll really start to click.
I think everybody would agree though that, you know, something's
been a little bit off with the Jets and you
can't quite put your finger on it. What does this

(11:58):
Patriots team have?

Speaker 8 (11:59):
Right?

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Norowdre that among other things. You know, it's some injuries too,
But this is a day about the Patriots. Any given Sunday,
can you pull together a surprising win? That most people,
I don't think are expecting you to have any chance
in this game to to be able to pull it out.
So for me, go out there, do what you did. Compete,
show some pride. Stop the run certainly a huge part
of it. I think they all feed into each other.

(12:20):
But bottom line is, can this Patriots team get a
surprising win that all of a sudden goes to Matt today? Okay, great,
you know I yeah can strong. He didn't even know
he was getting it though. Wow, now you know what
supposed to do with it?

Speaker 10 (12:31):
Right?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Jingle it.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
They're gonna play a song now to put it on,
and you put it on, you have to wear that
the rest of.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
The week's credential.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Well, someone could see the key and think it goes
to something they may try to run.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
But I just I just think you can't state enough
about like we could talk about exits and o's. We
can say that they need to do a better job
you know, scraping to see and you know, and you
know the interior shade, the shade, like you could do
all of that stuff, because there's there's certainly a lot
of that stuff has gone wrong. I'm not dismissing it.
They're they're they're not in position, they're run fits, haven't

(13:07):
been good like. All of that stuff is valid, But
this is just about lining up and playing with pride,
competing and do you remember, you know, Matt will know this, Mike,
maybe you no way to marry you and born the
the the eighty four Celtics when they got blown out
in Game three by the Lakers, and Larry Bird called
them a word that probably called his teammates, a word

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that you probably can't say anymore. So I'm not going
repeat it, even though it's benign. And everybody just said
he didn't just call us soft, he did he call us? Well,
I'm gonna make sure that he wasn't talking about me,
like they all took it upon themselves to say, well,
I don't agree with him, but I'm gonna make sure
that he can't possibly say that about me. And then,

(13:50):
you know, shortly thereafter, Kurt Rambis got you know, close
lines by Kevin McHale, and no one was calling the
Celtics soft anymore, you know. And I'm not suggesting to
go out and rough the passers, but play with some
energy and some pride and some commitment to physicality up front,
and do not let Rogers. This is what happened last week.

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Trevor Lawrence came out, threw the ball over the place,
they got a lead, and then they just said, we're
not going to throw it again because you can't stop us.
Do not let Aaron Rodgers do that today. Do not
let Aaron Rodgers get up to a good start. And
then they just line up Paul and Allen at you
the whole game and it's glorified garbage time in the second.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Half like last round. By the way, I love the analogy,
but I want to ask everyone this, Larry Bird called
the team out after Game three. Larry Bird, who has
the utmost respect of everybody in that locker room, called
him out. Is it different that it wasn't Kyle Dugger
who said it as opposed to their head coach.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, it's probably different because they have a hard time, necessarily,
you know, the other players have a hard time looking
at Larry Bird and saying he's not tough, He's not
doing what he's supposed to be doing, like or as
the coach says that, like, you know, what does he
know about being tough. He's not out there with us,
you know, So maybe to your point. Yeah, I think
that's valid.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
I think this is such a young locker room that
I'm not surprised that it came from jirot Mao, because
when you look around this locker room that doesn't have
the Devin mccordy and the Matthew Slater, it's like, who
is gonna say it? Because Kyle Dugger is a pretty
quiet guy. John Jones is a pretty quiet guy. So
they have quiet leaders. They don't have that loud raw
rack guy.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, a shout out to the worldwide leader who maybe
about forty five minutes ago, did a nice segment on
their pregame show, and it featured former Patriots Randy Moss
and Teddy Bruski. Bruski, who is as big as Gerrod
Mayo fanasiers around. They used to live across from each other.
At one point in time. Mayo probably took the mantle
from Teddy Bruski. And what Bruski said, which I found

(15:48):
interesting and I'll share with you if you didn't see it,
is he said that was Gerard Mayo, the former captain
talking at that point in time with the sea on
his jersey. I don't know if that was the head coach,
Girod Mayo that should have been saying that. He didn't
knock Mayo necessarily for saying it. I think he wished
he would have used better words potentially, But I thought

(16:08):
it was interesting that he said that sounds like Girodmeyo
the captain. I don't know if that should have been
Girod Mayo the head coach. Anyway, I found it interesting
because Bruski's pretty plugged in to Gerrod Mayo.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, I mean really Gerrabmeo kind of the guy that
they brought in right on the heels of Teddy Bruski's
career to take over that spot and be the primary
play caller. I mean, I think this is all part
of Jirab Mayo learning to be a coach and learning
where that line is between being that vocal, you know,
captain that we'd known him to be, leader of the defense.
I think you can say different things as a captain

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than you ken as a head coach. And that's what
I think we've seen here over the first four or
five months of his coaching careers, you know, learning how
to manage the media a little bit. I thought this
week we got to Friday, I mean we were so
used to, we were so accustomed to Wednesday's press conference.
We would come in previous regime and you would just
get a rundown of the opponent. And this is every
player on their roster from A to Z with an
in depth scouting report. You haven't really heard that as much.

(17:01):
There's been so much focus internally. And then finally on Friday,
and some of the reporters, to their credit, you know,
called it out, but Girod gave us a little rundown
of the Jets and it was, you know, as part
of what I said at the top. We're trying to
win a game. We're focused on the Jets. I just
hope it coming Friday didn't come too late. I'd love
to hear that speech on Wednesday, where set the tone
right out of the gate. This is where about the Jets.

(17:22):
We're going to put all this, you know, talk behind
us of what was said last weekend.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
So we'll see. But I think it's just it's a
process for Girod, for sure.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
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(17:51):
You were talking about the maybe how the Jets are
doing as they come into this game, sort of telling
to me that a guy who's been on the team
for about thirty seconds is the one holding team meetings
and talking about accountability and telling everybody about what the
Jets need to do or not need to do. In
Devonte Adams, what does that tell you about the team?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I totally agree with you. I thought that was really
really interesting that a guy came in and sort of
recognized some of the problems from the outside. Now, it
can definitely go one of two ways. It can be bad.
But I would look at it if I were a
Jets fan and say that's good because you're getting someone
that's not just the same old, same old inside saying

(18:33):
we got to be better, we got to do this,
and you know, and Aaron said, I don't know, like
this is embarrassing. You gave a game away last week
like they were on the verge of blowing the steels
right out of the building. I agree, and Aaron Rodgers
completely self destructed, in my opinion, and that turned the
whole game around. And I think Adams looks at it
and he has enough. Like to Tomorrow's point that she

(18:55):
made a little while ago about the age of the Patriots'
locker room, Adams has been around, and he's been in
different locker rooms now, and he's been with Rogers, so
he has that sway that he can say something. I
think it was probably a good sign for the Jets,
but probably a bad sign that they didn't have anybody
prior to that who could have put a stop to this,
because Rogers is one in my opinion anyway from afar,

(19:18):
I'd be interested to listen to rich Semini when he
joins us in a little while. Rogers seems like a
negative leader to me, like you know, what do we
have to do? What do you guys have to do
to break this looting streak? You know, stop listening, you guys,
You of all people are criticizing the media, the media
that shines your shoes every day, the Pat McAfee show

(19:40):
like weekly just getting nothing but lobbed softballs in his direction,
Like you're blaming this on the media, Aaron, like, you're
the one that threw the pick that that completely derailed
your your dominant first half last week. I just think
that Adams recognizes that, and I think he has the
power that he can call, you know, call Aaron out

(20:01):
on that's.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
He's a great player.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I also just think it's funny the guy coming from
the Stogy locker room is the one calling out this
locker room.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
So it's all the same guy who yea, the same
guy said we got to get rid of you, gotta
get rid of this guy. He's he's gonna ruin my
career with the quarterback. No, it's it's a mess. That's
why I'm not I'm not convinced of that which way
it's going to go for the Rats, I'm not convinced.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
It was an odd person, yes, in an odd time
for the Jets. I think it gives you a little
bit of a window into what's going on there that
the guy that's been there for up a coffee is
the one who's talking yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
And that's why I think the Patriots, as much as
it's a long shot probably in a lot of people's eyes,
that they have a real chance today to make an
impact on the Jets season and to really send them
in more of a spiral than they already are. I
mean two and six, they're going to be, you know,
right at the same place the Patriots are, but with
that roster. So it's an opportunity and that's what.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
I'm looking to it. You know, you set it up, Matt.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
I'm like, it's not the AFC Championship out there today,
but it is two desperate teams.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
That really need to wait this game.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
So for that regard, you know, you get up for
it a little bit because you know these guys are
gonna leave it all out there. One other thing, I
just point out at Daniel Laqualley, who were talking about
he's come in wearing a Michael Myers full costume.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
So I'm not sure how we read into that.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Maybe I think he's feeling like he can't be killed
because there's about twenty Halloween films, So I guess.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I don't mind that. I was going to follow up
because he's going to be good to go. This is
a Paul's going to be sickened by this. But this is,
as I look at, kind of sick you know, what
a Patriot feel might look at are the Jets going
to be over confident? The bus ride in. They walloped
this team a few weeks ago. They could sit there
and say, you know what, we don't have to do

(21:37):
much today. We completely collaborate these people the last time
we played them. You take a little bit of that
with a little bit of the dysfunction. If the Patriots
were to punch back or punch first, right, it's a
different Jets team. Maybe that's gonna respond going, WHOA, I
didn't see that one coming.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
They start turning their guns on each other, right.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
I would say if Jacoby Brissette was starting today, then
maybe I could see the bus ride over them having
a chip on their shoulder, thinking like, okay, we sacked
this man five times, pressured him thirteen. They couldn't do
anything in the game. But now they have Drake May
who gives a completely different look for this offense.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
So I don't know if I was the Jets, if I.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
Would come in with that same chip on my shoulder,
especially with their defense so banked up coming into this
game today.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
You mentioned May in the defense being banged up. Is
that an area where we could look and see that
you know the Patriots can maybe make some hay with
their starting safeties out of the game.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
I mean, it's hard to look past their front seven.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
I mean, I hear you know what Tamara saying, But
I would I would say, we're gonna go kill this
rookie quarterback today, Like we're gonna take Quinn Williams and
we're gonna put him on this this whoever center who
started two games and we're gonna have him do what
he did. Let's be fair to David Andrews in week
three and push him right back into the pocket. On paper,
safeties being out, you'd think Drake chanced to push it
down the field a little bit, of course, but he's

(22:49):
going to have to get the time to do that,
and he's gonna have to be able to get comfortable.
So I would attack him with Hassan Reddick coming back today,
you got him Will McDonald two guys off the edge.
Not sure what the Patriots tackle situation is, So that's
how I would look at it. You got to block
these guys up front and then maybe you can take
advantage of some of the injuries of this.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, and it is, you know, they are banged up
a little bit, but I think it's better than it
was for that for the Jets than it wasn't in Pittsburgh.
I think DJ Reid will be back, so they get
the two corners back in there. I agree with Mike.
I worry a lot about that defensive line. Someone asked
me what area you thought was the biggest mismatch you know,

(23:28):
and that that would be it to me. Quinn Williams
and that crew really really dominated the game on that Thursday.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Night City so right up the middle.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
I mean that he's had his struggles since getting back
in there. For Robinson, I target him.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Too, Okay, So with their pass rush scaring you as
we close in on Halloween, I think Alex van Pelt
has been pretty self aware in saying I think he'd
like some of the calls back, maybe from that Thursday
night game against the Jets where they didn't really run
the ball. So do you think that there's going to

(24:01):
be more of an emphasis on trying to get Stevenson
in the running game going and maybe be less quick
to throw it and stick with it if there's a
if there's a sniff that it's working a little bit.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
I just I don't need to run ramondro Stevenson into
a brick wall on you first and second down, just
to try to prove something.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
I like what they did last week.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
I don't say it came out throw, but I think
they have to be more cognizant of not getting too
far away from it. Sometimes it's hard the way the
game unfolds. You don't really have a choice. That's what
I'm waiting to see, though, Matt is seeing this Patriots
offense with Drake May but with some semblance of a
running game to compliment him a little bit, and.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
Just to see what it looks like. We haven't seen it.
He's had two games, he's had no real support from
the running cap.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Right, and I think that they will do that, Matt.
I think Van Pelt has made I want to say,
like at least three separate references to being regretful of
not running the ball more in that Jets game and
the Jets and the Jets don't have a great run defense,
so I mean, I know it's tough because they've had
so many different combinations on the offensive line, and there
is a chance, there is a chance that you get

(25:04):
an end to that streak today, depending on who's active
but you know, if you go if it sounds like
Vederian Lowe's tracking to play according to Mike Reese, you
know we'll get to some other interesting items that Mike
had in his notes this week one in particular. But
you know, if you have Vederian Lowe, Michael Jordan, Ben Brown,

(25:28):
Mike Owenhu and Trey J. Jacobs, that would be a
repeat of the line that they started the Houston game
with in week six. So maybe Van Pelt would feel
a little bit better. There's some continuity that I know,
like that's it's all relative because they've had no continuity.
This would be one that that just two games ago
started together. Maybe they would run the ball a little

(25:48):
bit more and try to try to back that pass
rushot and maybe the first play of the game is
like a play action all out blitz, like just a
decimation on that first play. And you know Van Pelt
talked about that play in particular where he felt like
he put Jacobe Brissett in a bad spot.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Can you imagine that we're in a place right now
where we're thinking that we're crossing our fingers And I
mean this with no disrespect that Venderian Lowe is going
to play and is going to be active today. Another
guy who I think is maybe miscast, but because of
the state of the roster, they need him at left
tackle to just sort of hold the fort a little bit.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
To me, less about Vederian Lowe as it is. Can
they just have the same guys, Like you tell me
whatever you think is the best, you know, and I'll
take your word for it. Like, I just think there's
some value in having the same two guys next to
each other for two or three weeks in a row.
And we haven't. They haven't, you know, in fairness to them,
they haven't had that off too now.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
And I think, you know, I mean, he's a little
bit of a punchline unfairly.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I mean it's I think they have a lot of
just I don't want to say confidence yet, but they
really seem to believe in him, and every time they
talk about him they are very complimentary. I mean, every
time Vanarian Lowe's talked, he's very self critical. You know,
it's hard. He's a piece of sure and I think he's,
you know, fairly athletic. I think we saw a little
bit of strides. But I think Paul's point, like get him.

(27:06):
I know he's not, you know, the next coming of
Joe Thomas on the left tackle side, but he's the
best you have I think there and at the rest
of the season if you could get him in there,
I don't know what it's going to look like, but
the continuity would be huge, the communication on that side
of the line, those are things that just can make
the offense go.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
I'd love to get low back in there today.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Maybe at the other end of the spectrum as we're
talking about the professionalism of uh Vederian Lowe is the
wide receiver room, which is come under some scrutiny this
week where you're looking to see where are the pros
in that room, and that's been that's been a challenge
this week with people who really haven't accomplished much in
the National Football League feeling comfortable enough to say whatever

(27:45):
they want to say.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, I mean, that was my big takeaway from Mike's
notes that I that I made. You know, he kind
of alludes to Jayvon Baker had you know, how do
he put it a hiccup with the team's itinerary.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I didn't mean to steal your thunder their Yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
But that's that's kind of what I was, you know,
and I figured we get to that when we you know,
we moved on. But that tells me he probably was
you know, he missed a meeting, or he was late
for something, or you know, a hiccup with the itinerary
means he was late for something, you know, and that
you know, like we keep hearing Alex Van Pelton some
of the other coaches talk about he needs to tighten

(28:21):
up the details, he needs to you know, button things up.
These are the things they're talking about. It's it's learning
how to be a pro. And I think Baker's still
trying to figure that out based on some of the
comments that he's had about it. You know, I don't
know why I'm not playing well, yeah, you do better,
you do. And if you don't know, then it's probably
not going to change because if you don't know you

(28:41):
need to show up on time or not have a hiccup.
Let me, I'm just want to use the words not
have a hiccup with the team's itinerary. If you don't
know that's why you didn't play last week, then how's
that going to change?

Speaker 3 (28:52):
But it's more than that, Paul in that Baker gets
drafted where he gets drafted because there's a maturity issue.
I would assume that dropped him to where he dropped
because the evaluators think he's got a world of talent.
It's the other wide receivers in there that the gyrations
that you talk about on the sideline. It's well, yeah,
they threw in the deep ball, you know, because I
had to ask them to throw me the deep ball.

(29:12):
There's an entitlement amongst this group that I think is
really confounding for people who've watched the Patriots for so
many years ago. Where is this coming from? Because their
comments don't match the production.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Yeah, I think I think Kendrick Bourne's a key guy today.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I agree with him.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
You know, Douglas should be better, So I think i'd
get him back in the mix. He's definitely, you know,
a good receiver, but they just they need that additional
complimentary piece. And you've had issues with kJ Osbourne. Are
they going to bring him back into the fold today?
Is he suddenly you know with polk Out, is he
going to become more involved? I have a hard time
seeing that, I.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Feel like, but there's some numbers problems, Mike that you know, yeah,
maybe they wouldn't play kJ Osborne if they were in
a better situation. Again, and let's speak to Taekwon Thornton,
the guy who's been a healthy scratch. He'll likely be
up today and he hasn't demonstrated necessarily the confidence that
you should have to be him up today because of
the numbers problems with Polk being her.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
That's why I look to Bourne. I mean, and Bourne
spoke this week, he spoke last week. He's maybe the oldest.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
Guy in the room.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
I don't know if he's older than Osborne, it's about
the same. But they need him to be a leader.
And if he's able to go out and have some
production and then he gets a little bit credit to
his leadership, and you know, it gives him a little
bit more juice in the locker room as you know,
complimentary person. Uh, we'll see, but I think Kenderborne today,
you know, big day for him if he's able to
get some stats.

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Speaker 1 (30:48):
You know the view from New England, but what about
the view from the other side?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
And that's why you're our favorite pregame show guests. Yeah.
Every year here and you.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Know you tell everybody that I was on with you
guys at twenty eighteen Thursday Night Football.

Speaker 10 (31:01):
Yeah, and I will vote out with the favorite game
for the show.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
No time now to go behind enemy lines.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
My god, it's gotta run for behind enemy Lines. And
we are pleased to be joined by one of the
greats from ESPN dot com, Rich Simini, joins us on
the hotline right now. Rich, good morning, and thank you
for joining us. I'll hit you right out of the
shoot with this. Will this be a more competitive game
than the Thursday Night affair from a few weeks ago, Well,

(31:29):
first of.

Speaker 8 (31:30):
All, thanks for having me, guys.

Speaker 11 (31:31):
I do think it'll be more competitive. That was a
short week, obviously, and I think that played heavily into
the jets favor in that particular game. It's always difficult
for road teams on that short week, especially with a
new coach and that early in the season. So I
do think it'll be more competitive today. I mean, you
want the view from behind Nimby lines. It's grim right

(31:54):
now with the Jets. I mean, the four game losing
streak and they are just going through all sorts of
stuff behind the scenes. But you know, I think they'll
prevail in this game. But I do think it'll be competitive.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Rich. What do you see Hassan Redick bringing to the
defense here as he ends his holdout?

Speaker 11 (32:12):
Yeah, I think he'll be hused situationally today as a
third down rusher. He'll bring speed off the edge. It's
not necessarily a glaring need.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
For the Jets.

Speaker 11 (32:23):
You know, their pass rush has been pretty decent so
far this year, at least statistically, but he's going to
bring an extra guy in the rotation. I don't think
they'll overly use him. I mean, he's had basically two practices.
He hasn't played a football game in nine months, and
they got another one on Thursday night, So I think
they'll be judicious with the way they use him. I
could see him playing twenty snaps something along those lines,

(32:44):
but he'll give them another speed rusher to pair opposite
Will McDonald, so you know, ideally, you know they have
two good edge rushers.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Now, Mitch, I wanted to just ask you about Aaron Rodgers,
and you know, I know he's been up and down
on the field obviously, but I'm more concerned with your
thoughts of Rogers's impact off the field. Has he been
sort of the right guy to lead this team?

Speaker 11 (33:11):
You know, that's a great question. I don't think we
have enough time to get into all time all the
different angles of that. But the first thing, I mean,
he's the polarizing player even among Jets fans. Even the
Jets fan bas is split on him.

Speaker 8 (33:27):
You know, is he a great leader?

Speaker 11 (33:28):
I mean, if you talk to players in the locker room,
I haven't had one player tell me anything negative about Aaron.
You know, he just he has a way of connecting
with teammates from the top guy on the roster to
the bottom guy. The other day, I saw him, you know,
talking to a couple of practice squad guys, and honestly,
I didn't even know who they were, you know, because
they were just.

Speaker 8 (33:49):
Like hanging around.

Speaker 11 (33:49):
It's like, who are these guys? But he was hanging
around with a couple of them for a while, and
so he has a way of connecting with different players
on the team.

Speaker 8 (33:57):
He is a hard worker.

Speaker 11 (33:58):
I think he brings an aura to the team that
they desperately needed when they traded for him.

Speaker 8 (34:04):
On the flip side, you know, you got to perform
in this league.

Speaker 11 (34:08):
You just can't be about reputation and talk and that
sort of stuff. And he hasn't performed. I mean, since
beating the Patriots in Week three, his numbers have been awful.
I mean, to be quite honest, in the last four weeks,
he ranks twenty sixth in quarter at QBR and his
numbers are just alarming. He's been throwing some interceptions that
are head scratchers, and so there comes a point where

(34:31):
you know, you can't be just all about the talk.
You got to back it up on the field, even
if your name is Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
He was masterful in that Thursday night game, Rich and
we were in awe and that was the Aaron Rodgers
that I think Jets fans and everybody in the organization
were hoping to see when he played that game. As
you mentioned, you know, he's got some knee issues some
hamstring issues and his running mates now in town. And
I found it interesting that his running mate is taking
to you know, being the voice of reason or the
voice to talk in the Jets' locker room after being

(34:57):
there that I don't even think he had a number yet,
and he's already speaking about the state of the team.
How do you think that that went over in a
Jets country.

Speaker 11 (35:06):
I don't think he'd even unpacked his bags yet.

Speaker 8 (35:08):
And you know he was given pep dogs after the game.

Speaker 11 (35:12):
Yeah, very unusual to see something like that. I mean,
you would expect a guy like a Rogers to do that.
But you know, we talked to Devontae Adams about that
on Wednesday. He was more than happy to share, you know,
that whole situation, and he said when he first started
talking to the team after the Pittsburgh game, he precticed
it by saying, look, I know, I've only been here

(35:33):
a few days and it's a little weird for me
to be talking. But and then he went on to
say the theme of it was how they had no
energy on the field against Pittsburgh. He just didn't see
guys celebrating each other's accomplishments during the game. Not that
there was a lot to celebrate, but even in the
first half when they were ahead, he didn't see any
enthusiasm or juice. And so that was the theme of

(35:55):
his speech, and he's like, come on, guys, you know,
we're in the NFL. We got we got to raise
the intensity level a little bit. And so I get
the perception that who's this guy to show up? And
he comes from the Raiders of all places.

Speaker 8 (36:07):
You know, you know, maybe the just most dysfunctional team
in the league.

Speaker 11 (36:11):
But he did make the playoffs six times with Green Bay,
so he does have some pelts on the wall. And
so I talked to a bunch of players, you know,
they said they didn't mind at all that it came
from a new guy. Of course, me being a cynical
New Yorker, I have to think there are some guys
in the locker room who were just kind of rolling
their eyes thick, like, who the heck is this guy

(36:32):
to come in and tell us what we should be.
But I did not get any players on the record
to say that so very interesting. The coach thought it
was great. Fact he even mentioned it again to the
team on Wednesday and their team meeting. You know, referencing
Devonte's speech, and that became the theme of the week
out of the Jets facility, which we.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Asked you a lot of stuff sort of off the
field of what's going on there, and I know that's
often the story with the Jets, but on the field,
that secondary was pretty banged up in the Sunday night
game against Pittsburgh. What's it look like for today.

Speaker 8 (37:08):
It's a good and bad situation.

Speaker 11 (37:10):
So the good for them is they're getting two of
their corners back. DJ Reid will be playing today and
their nickelback, Michael Carter will be back, so their top
three corners are intact, which.

Speaker 8 (37:21):
Hasn't been the case in a few weeks. So that's
the positive news for the Jets.

Speaker 11 (37:26):
The downside is both of their safeties are out. Tony
Adams is out today, Chuck Clark's been on IR for
a little over a week, so I think they're going
to end up starting Jalen Mills and the other safety'll
probably be Isaiah Olivert. So they were thin at safety
to begin with. It was a suspect position, and now

(37:46):
they're even more suspect with these injuries.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Can a mikeshift Patriots offensive line with a dominant Jets
front seven. Can Drake May his first start against the Jets,
not his first action against the Jets, but his first start.
Take advantage of that safety depth.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
We shall see.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Rich will put you on a spot, give me a pick.
I know you said you think it'll be competitive.

Speaker 8 (38:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (38:07):
First of all, I think you're a little too kind
to the Jets by saying they're a dominant front seven. Okay,
I mean they are vulnerable against the run. I mean
they have I mean, if the Patriots want to win
this game, they should just run the ball between the
tackles against the Jets because the Jets will eventually break
wear down. So they are not a dominant front seven.
They've put up some decent stack numbers with Will McDonald

(38:30):
has eight, but that seems it doesn't feel like eight,
if you know what I mean. It's just they're not
the front seven they were in years past. That said,
I am picking the Jets today. I just think I mean, look,
they are superior on paper. They have a distinct advantage
in personnel.

Speaker 8 (38:49):
In this game.

Speaker 11 (38:50):
I think both teams are going through some off the field.
I mean, obviously the Patriots are reeling six in a
row the coach calling out the team saying they were soft.
I'm sure that has had loud reverberations in the locker room.

Speaker 8 (39:03):
So you never know how that's gonna play. That could
go either way.

Speaker 11 (39:06):
The Jets coming off the DeVante speech, you never know
how that's gonna go.

Speaker 8 (39:10):
It could go either way.

Speaker 11 (39:11):
So I'm gonna say that Jets probably win something of
an ugly game today just to keep their season alive.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Rich to medi ESPN dot com. Thank you very much.
Enjoy the game today, Rich, Thanks for your time.

Speaker 8 (39:23):
You got it, guys.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Thanks thanks Rich.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Good correction by Rich. When I used the dominant as
far as their front seven, I just I guess I'm
saying it in context with who the Patriots have on
the offensive line. You know, maybe the Jets aren't what
Rich has said in previous years. That's a pretty good
front seven that they have, especially when you factor in
the Patriots line.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
But you can run on them, and that's been a
common theme for them. Now we'll see, we'll see if
they if the Patriots can run on him as much
with the makeshift offensive line as some of the other
teams have. But Steelers haven't been able to run the
ball all the year, and I think Nagie Harris had
like one hundred and two yards last week. So I
think that's the formula. I think. I think Mike said

(40:05):
it with Alex man Pelt, and I keep getting back
to it. How many times he kept saying, I think
we maybe got away from the run in that game. Yeah,
I'd be surprised if they didn't try to try to run,
which will cause you know, all the maniacs, there's a
lot of a lot of the maniacs to lose their
minds because you know, you don't just let the guy
throw the ball fifty eight times. You're not putting him

(40:26):
in a position to succeed. But I do think Mike's
point about he's had no support from the run game
and the two starts that he's had that needs to
change today.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yeah, Kennet, that's gonna be the real question. Ken It
Mike Kennett. That's that's what they play the games. I
wish I could tell you, And I mean it's you know,
it's interesting when I guess we all view our own
team with such a microscope, and so it's great to
talk to rich and and get that perspective because I
just see Quentinnin Williams, and to.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
Me, that's that's all you need to stop the run
game two.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Good and Quincy Williams.

Speaker 6 (40:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
You know, I I agree with you, Mike that they
shouldn't be as bad. But I just I wonder if
it's one of those teams that they're really good on
defense and they know you can run between the tackles
if you want, We'll let you do that. We'll just
make sure you can't do anything else.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Rich Simini used the word which startled me a little bit.
Did you hear the word grim when he mentioned the
New York Jets they've lost four in a round. No,
I know, it just like the situation just seems so
much better than it is.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
He well, it's like because they have talents. But to me,
that makes the mental situation so much worse. Like Robert
Sala didn't go into the season thinking we're gonna take
some we know we're gonna take some bumps and bruises,
We're gonna have some bumps along the way. They didn't
think that they thought they'd win ten or eleven games.
Now listen, they still could because when you have the

(41:44):
baseline of talent that the Jets have you know, winning
eight out of ten isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Do I think that will happen? No, because I don't
think this particular organization has that kind of pedigree, But
they have the kind of talent that can win that
that that amount of games. This one, you know, the Patriots,
to me, they're going to continue to play because they

(42:05):
kind of knew they were in this situation.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
That's what sets up just such an interesting matchup to
me of today, of these two desperate teams.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
And as Rich said, I mean, the.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Jets lose this one, like they look out below, they're
in trouble, you know, so it's over. They're gonna play,
But are they gonna play tight?

Speaker 10 (42:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (42:21):
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(42:42):
of the great Patriot players of all time. Adam Vinitari's
here with us. Adam, pleasure to see you. What brings
you to Foxborough today?

Speaker 12 (42:49):
Well, you know, I just wanted to come out and
watch a great game. And it's always it's always a
pleasure to be out here.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
You know.

Speaker 12 (42:54):
I don't make it out often enough and so being
in the area is fantastic. The weather's changed and you
can feel fall on the air, and it's football weather,
and I'm just happy to be out here. I'm gonna ring,
I can get to do a little keeper of the
Light today and hopefully say hi to a bunch of
the fans and I'll be one of the ones cheering
the loudest today.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I'm sure good kicking weather.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Actually it is.

Speaker 12 (43:13):
Yeah, when you're out here, you never know if we're
gonna have a snowstorm or crazy weather. So anytime that
you get decent weather like this, this is a good day.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Now, do you go it down and check it out?
Because it's a little different than the stadium that you
kicked in. It's all closed in on the side, So
do you go and check out on saying I wish
I got to deal with this, or.

Speaker 12 (43:31):
Well I played here in Julette Stadium for for a
few years.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Oh no, no, I know what it's all closed in now.
Oh yeah, the huge video boys change and according to Bill,
it's changed at all, probably better now there.

Speaker 12 (43:41):
You don't have that wind tunnel that whips through there,
so you know, whatever you can do to keep the
wind out of the stadium makes it a little easier
to kick, for sure. So and you know the fact
that you know, we don't have the old Foxboro Stadium
when we had grass which turned a dirt about this
time of year.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
You don't.

Speaker 12 (43:56):
You got a good kicking service. So it makes a
big difference that way too.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Have you ever made a trip up into a Patriot place.
They've got a little plaque up there for you in
the middle of a store. Now I have where you
made the greatest kick in.

Speaker 12 (44:06):
Now you know the Patriot Hall of Fame. Stuff we
we want through there a couple of different times, and
I get chills and some goosebumps, you know, walking down
memory Lane, the video and stuff with all of the
you know, some of some of them trophies and stuff
were post me, but the first couple of them, it
was fun, just reminiscing and thinking about all my old
teammates and what we accomplished back in the day. It's

(44:26):
pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
We're a little bit under the gun here, and I
know you've got a lot of commitments today. I do
not back off by saying one of the greatest Patriot
players of all time. I wonder if you're going to
realize the reception that you're going to get from the
Fians today. I think you're going to be blown away
by it. And I say that all as a lead
in Adam. This past week the Pro Football Hall of
Fame announced the candidates, and you're on the beout for

(44:50):
the first time this year. One person speaking, I think
I can speak for my teammates here. It would be
a travesty if you don't get in. What are your
thoughts about being nominated for the Pro.

Speaker 12 (45:00):
Football It's a huge honor just being nominated. You know,
it's not just about you know, you know, everybody thinks, well,
you know, well, your accolades and what you've done. It's
you know, obviously you have to put the kicks through
the uprights. But for me, if I make get it's
really a mark on my teammates and all the guys
that helped me because I can't get on the field

(45:20):
without them, right, So to be honor, you know, to
be even nominated as a huge honor. I love to
be able to wear a gold jacket at some point
hopefully got my fingers crossed.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
I won't lie about that.

Speaker 12 (45:30):
I mean, everybody says I'll worry about that later. I
think about it all the time.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Now.

Speaker 12 (45:35):
You know, it's exciting, you know, it's a really exciting thing.
But you know, I look at it and it just
brings me back, not to the Kicks, but to all
my teammates and what we accomplished as a team. And
I think that's kind of what the Patriot way was
when when Bill and Tom were here and all that.
It was never about one guy, was always about what
can we do to win championships and we did a
lot of that.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Lonnie Packston to snap, Ken Walter to hold those are
magical words. Adam. Thank you for joining us a great
time today.

Speaker 12 (46:01):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Thank you it to be great.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Thanks Adam.

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Speaker 3 (48:04):
And we welcome you back to the Patriots pregating social
fueled by Duncan. It is half past the hour on
the East Coast before the Patriots take on the Jets
here at Jillette Stadium. That means it's inactive time, and
that means it's time to go to the field and
check in with Tamara Brown, who has today's in actives.
Hello from out in the field tomorrow. Oh, no problem,

(48:29):
let me get my tap shoes on, Matt morel I
was I was a tap answer?

Speaker 5 (48:34):
Really no with no socks. No, you can't.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
All right, let's before we get to Tamara, Mike, we
can talk about there's a couple of guys who showed
up on the injury report late in the week. Those
are usually not good things. Now, Daniel Laquale Kyle Duggar,
Brendan Schooler all showed up late. I hope that doesn't
mean that they're trending in the wrong direction when they
show up on the injury report late in the week.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
You know some key players, no question, certainly, you know
Dugger without Pepper's having back end. Curious if he's gonna
be able to go. That's a big one. Brendan Schooler,
big special teams player as well. Uh, popped up with
an illness, So we'll see. I know this is the
time of year those things tend to pop up, so uh,
just always tough. Patriots don't have a lot of depth.
So I think every time these injury reports come out,
even on SAT. Sunday, they raised O'shawn Mathis from the

(49:19):
practice squad. You know a little bit of maybe a
signal of which way things are gonna go with some
of the position groups. But just the lack of depth,
it's every time these injury reports come out, it's it's tough.
It taps their depth, especially in the secondary where they
don't have you know, a lot of those guys they've
been they've been hit hard this year.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
We'll see.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Jonathan Jones was another guy who you know was managed
this week a little bit. So I guess you get
to this point the season, Matt, it's like everybody's got
an injury.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
That's what they tell you, right, no question about it.
Just about November.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Let's do without this the suspense. I believe we have
Tamara now on the field tomorrow. Hello, and why don't
you fill listen in on who is on that in
active list today?

Speaker 7 (49:51):
Please, Matt Smith.

Speaker 6 (49:54):
The suspense is over, and I'm very sad to report
that the defense will be without josh Oo Jay as
well as Kyle Dugger and Daniel Aquale. It's a triple
whammy for this defense who we talked about at the
top of the show. Daniel Aqualey already playing seventy percent
of the snaps. He is going to be out today.
So what does that mean for the run defense? I
talked about it in my Key to the game, Stop

(50:15):
the run and have some fun. Are they going to
be able to do that without him? It's gonna be
guys like Jeremiah Farms and Jacqueline Roy that I think
they're gonna have to fill his void.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
And can they do that?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Is the question.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
And then with Kyle Duggar not having your starting safety
out there, when you're playing against Alan Lazar, Garrett Wilson
and DeVante Adams, It's going to be a tough day
for this Patriots defense without those three guys out there.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Call me crazy tomorrow and Mike and please you can
on the Equality not being on the list, that one,
to me seems like a bigger hit, believe it or not,
than Duggar, who's your captain. You extended him this year.
I thought Mapu actually came in and did a nice job,
and Heen Hawkins played well in the game that dugger
missed earlier in the year. The Equal, I think again,

(50:56):
it's attrition. They just don't have any bodies. That's a
real tough one, I think Tamara, as you talk about
how do you stop the run when you're just down
too many guys, I.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Mean, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
And when you have to rely on I think when
you have to rely on Jeremiah Farms and Jacqueline Roy,
guys who haven't played a lot and you're expecting to
lean on them today and give them majority of the snaps,
I think it's going to be a tough day for
this defensive line, who is already playing without Juwan Bentley
Christian Barmore. It's not what you want to see when
you want to get the Jets team who has an
explosive offense, Samara.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
No Jalen Polk out today.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
It does look like Javon Baker and Taekwon Thornton a
couple guys who've been out or are gonna get their
chance today. You see those guys out there yet, and
that's just what are your thoughts on opportunity for those
two receivers.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
Just as expected, Taekwon Thornton is out here today. Gerard
Mayo hinted at that this week, saying he had a
great week of practice as well as wide receivers coach
Tyler Hughes. He said that it was his birthday this
week and the guys gave him the best president in
the world. And that's a great week of practice, and
now we need to see that translate on the field.
Can Drake May and Taekwon Thornton between his arm and
Taekwon speed paired together to create a dynamic duo out there.

(52:05):
This will be Taekwon Thornton's first start with Drake May
as well, so I'm interested to see can he translate
that production from practice onto the field, and his first
five games this year, he's only had two catches in
the five games that he's played, and he's been a
healthy scratch the last two weeks.

Speaker 7 (52:19):
So what can he do today with this opportunity?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
So duggar in a quality to me or the Headliners,
but right below that is healthy scratch oo Jay.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
Yeah, so the cynic in.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Me has to win. Do they have a deal in
line for j and they just don't want to see
him get hurt against the Jets today? Is that a possibility?

Speaker 6 (52:38):
I think that's definitely a possibility, especially with the trade
deadline approaching. Josh Uch is healthy, Let's see what you
can get from him, especially with this team that's gonna
want to get as much capital as they can going
into twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah, I said O'shaan Mathis was raised from the practice squad,
so he'll maybe fill some of those snaps on third
down being able to.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
Rush the passer a little bit. But it's a huge
key for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
We saw them getting him getting out of the pocket
last time, but really puts a focus I think Tamara
on Anthony Jennings, Keon White he's been a little bit
quiet in the production department since those first two games.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
How do you see the team offset in that loss
of UCH today?

Speaker 6 (53:14):
Yeah, I think we're gonna have to see a big
game from Raykwon McMillan and Jilani Tavai. I know we've
seen a lot of Christian Ellis more because Rayqwon McMillan
has been struggling as he's been trying to fill the
void of Jawan Bentley. So I think with those three,
I don't know how they're gonna split it between each other,
but they're gonna have come out and play their best game.
Fourteen miss tackles cannot happen again today against this Jeff's offense.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
All right, Tamar our great job in the inactive before
we let you go. Why didn't you give us a
sense of the feel inside the stadium as a T
shirt warm ups? You're going on behind you?

Speaker 6 (53:44):
Well, I have a great story. I just caught up
with Lisa Reid. She is a cancer survivor. She traveled
here all the way from Omaha, Nebraska for her first
Patriots game.

Speaker 7 (53:53):
She's super excited about.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
The Patriots having the potential to ghetto win today. She
is really excited. No matter what the record is right now,
she is just excited to be at her first game.
She traveled all the way here from Nebraska. She wants
to see a Patriots win.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
All right, Tamara, thank you very much. That's your report
from the field.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Oh, she's got your second, Matt, I'm sorry, I have
one more. I have another thing to say. Great news
for the Patriots offensive line. You didn't even ask me about.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
It, Matt. Oh, I'm sorry. Well, I think there was
so much attention the on who's not playing defensively.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
My apologize.

Speaker 6 (54:28):
Yeah, I know you want to point to obviously the
bad news for but I have good news before we go.
The Patriots offensive line is going to have the same
combination or hopeful to have the same combination from Week
six against the Texans. All season long, this offensive line
has been a problem. They've had a different combination every
single week but this week. But Darien Lowe is active

(54:48):
after being on the injury for all week long. So
I'm expecting them to have the same line from Week six.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
That is good news. Yeah, that is good news.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, thank you Tamara. Good job in bringing that up.
So for the first time all year, they actually have
the same combination playing in a game that's played once before.
I mean, if you're going to try to establish a
running game, at least you get maybe a little continuity here.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Yeah, a lot going on, love having Tray Jacobs continues
to stack starts at right tackle. So I just think
that's we've had some consistency at the right tackle position.
It's not a lot love to get low back. We
talked about it earlier in the show. I think he's
made some progress and it's not what everybody wants to hear.
And like I said before, he's kind of become like, oh,
he's our left tackle. But I think that there is

(55:31):
some belief in him that he can get the job done.
We'll see today, see if they can pick up where
they left off. For me, though, the bigger concern is
just inside and dealing with Quentin Williams and the big
pieces that they have. You've still got Ben Brown is
your center, getting what his third start ever, Michael, and
when you kicking, you know, maybe he can slide back
inside the right guard, which would be great.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
I love that.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
That would be a bonus city.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
So back to the left side, how's that gonna look,
so you know, it'll be a little bit of juggling
for sure, But I think the inside of the line
is where my biggest concerns are right now. They do
have some good edge rushers that'll chance the tackles.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
That's a fair point. And I think you know your
point about big mic maybe kicking inside helps. I think
this kid Brown is a really interesting story, you know.
I mean, we're not talking a household name. And I
think again it's just yet another example of the disrepair
of the roster and how far the personnel people have
had to go to just try to find somebody that
can they can plug and play. Well, this kid has

(56:24):
come in and plugged and played has.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
Yeah, absolutely Anyway, He's got good size too, that's you know,
just he's got some thickness to him, which I which
I like with some of these bigger, you know, bigger
defensive tackles that you have to deal with. You know,
Credit to him. I mean, we saw Camp all summer.
We saw a lot of different centers work behind David Andrews, and.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
We saw a lot of screwed up snaps. We saw
a lot of like you know, laps, re huddlest those
kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
We haven't had those mistakes in these first couple of
games as far as the snaps go, so I think
that that's a baseline for centers. It's hard to really
get into the nuance of you know what the center's
job is. They do a lot of helping out along
the offensive line. But if you can just get that
basic part down of having the snap correct, it's huge
not having those killer mistakes when you know you have
bought snaps and fumbles and all those kind of things.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
So try to keep that going today. And I just
I like his size.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
I think David Andrews when we saw him in week
three had some struggles and I think it was more
a sign of short week, a veteran who's really been
banged up and was about to end up on IR.
But Quinn Williams was really tough for him. Curious how
how Ben Brown's gonna hold up inside today?

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Speaker 10 (57:42):
How are you born than gents?

Speaker 5 (57:45):
Patty?

Speaker 3 (57:47):
All right?

Speaker 17 (57:47):
So Matt, you're one right. Adam is not a first
ballot a Hall of Famer. It's an absolute friggin travesty.
The guy belongs in there on the first ballot, no questions,
no questions asked, no questions answered. So I kind of
want to I think you all made very good points
on your keys of the game, but I want to
kind of point out what Samar said specifically, like these

(58:09):
division matchups are wacky and as crazy as it seems,
I can see it paths with victory today, but it
is going to involve the guys on both ends of
the line of scrimmage to kind of, you know, pull
up their pants and kind of punch above their weight.
And I mean, I think they do it, and we
seem like the Jets. They're talented, but they're they're still

(58:30):
kind of doing just things. And all I'm gonna say
is I like us to win today twenty four to
twenty one. I'm getting off the line so you can
get to other collars. Let's fringing go.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Baby, all right, Pat? I was actually gonna follow him
up with like, if he sees a path to victory,
I want to know what that path is, because that's
there's some optimism there, because there's not a lot to
hang your hat on. And I think that that's one
of the things that maybe frustrates me is you know,
you'd love to see me these games. Yeah, I think
you know when they were hate to be like the
broken record, But the fact that how uncompetitive they were

(59:02):
in the last three quarters against the Jaguars concerns me.
You know, I'm looking for them just to get back
to a competitive state, you know, much less try to
win the game against a better roster. That's my concern.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Yeah, I mean it's hard for me the defense guy,
to look at the defense and see the game that
they're gonna be able to produce today that will be
necessary to win. And even if they're able to keep
Rogers in the pocket, I just don't think they have
the horses to get to him to really. I it
sounds great in theory keep him in the pocket, Well,
nobody can cover forever, and if you can't eventually get there,

(59:35):
he's still gonna pick you apart. So even if they
keep him and don't let him squirt out and make
plays on the run like he likes to do. Just
the Patriots defense has to show me something new today
for them to really have a chance to win this game.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Silver haired, silver lining Matt would like to say that,
you know, it's not easy playing quarterback at age forty
and above. We saw one person do it quite well.
They don't usually do it very well. Rogers is banged
up with a little bit of a knee, a little
bit of an ankle injury, hamstring injury, and stuff like that.
Maybe there's a little silver lining their Paul, he's not

(01:00:06):
right or one hundred percent at least.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's the path to victory
is the other team doesn't play well. And I hate
to be that blunt of conspirators. I mean, I don't
see how the Jets play at any reasonable level and
the Patriots win, you know, if they have any intensity
at all. Like what rich Samini said is entirely true.
Like the difference in talent is significant. It's much bigger

(01:00:32):
than it was last week. You know, like just if
this is another one of those games, if you go
down man for man, you're gonna have a hard time
putting the check mark on the Patriots side, but it
hasn't mattered for the Jets. I think the Jets were
significantly more talented than Pittsburgh last week, and they ended
up getting blown out in the second half because I
don't think the Jets came to play and as soon

(01:00:54):
as they had some adversity, they folded up their tent
and they went home. And I think that one of
you two, I forget which one, you said something about
having some success early and you know, like if you
could somehow repeat that start that you got last week.
You know, I thought Jacksonville was going to go home
and they didn't, but maybe the Jets will because the
Jets are just waiting for something bad to happen. It

(01:01:15):
seems like that's the way they're playing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
It's hard to out confidence too, that the Patriots can
get the takeaways with Rogers. I mean, that's been a
big part of their you know, downfall and their struggles,
and Patriots just haven't been able to produce those those turnoy.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
It just would have to be a totally unexpected game.
And that's I think Paul lays it out really well.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
You got to start well, I mean, we know the
Patriots have to walk the path. We know exactly what
that is. But it's it's got to be more than that.
It's got to be interceptions, it's got to be takeaways.
It can't just be good start, don't turn the ball over,
you know, maybe don't allow them to score in the end,
like they're gonna have to do more today.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Kind of possession battles got to be a lot closer.
That's a big one.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Yeah, run the ball, hang, you know, make them limit
their plays because if you can't get off the field
again on these guys, it's just a matter of time.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
I would think one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Guy who didn't play in the Thursday night game, I
think I'm pretty sure on this and is playing today
is Moseley. You know, that's he's a good player, you
know in that front seven that I think that's a
that's a factor.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
You know, it's a great player.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
I mean, I think if Bill was here this week,
we would have heard a dissertation about him for a
ten minutes for sure. But he's a big problem in
the run game. And I wonder, you know, that's what's
just I gotta see it. I got to see it
out there today. I got to see the Patriots run
on run right up the middle, and C. J.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
Mosley and Quinn Williams like well, and I think.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
That they could they could run the ball. But I'd
have to say, like I'm just talking about in general.
I think you make a great point, Mike, Like, I
don't know how you can lose six games in a
row and then sit there and say, yeah, no, I
have confidence. I see a path to victory, like you know, no,
I need to see it before I change, you know,
start changing some of the things that I've seen. You know,

(01:02:47):
Matt has said a couple of times they weren't competitive
the last three quarters. That's seven of the last eight
quarters they've played, in my opinion, haven't been competitive, you know,
and everybody you know, well, it's Houston. Houston's good. And
I agree, I was able to the other team had
one win that you played, and you weren't really competitive
the last three quarters of a game against a fellow

(01:03:08):
one win team. So I think the Jets are broken,
and there's a chance that if you get off to
a good start, you keep them broken and then you
have it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
That's to me, the path, Paul, You know, I love
the intangibles. Here's another nonsense silver lining thought. Could the
Jets be gulp, looking ahead to next Thursday night and planning,
you know, in a another short week in a Houston
team that you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
But they could be looking ahead to golf season. Could that?
I think is highly in play.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Could the Jets be looking ahead? Most of them they
wouldn't look ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
The Jet they're not going to lose because they're looking ahead,
but they could look They could lose because they think
the season's over. That's absolutely in play, all right. Like,
I mean, you can't be two and five and looking
ahead to a team I wouldn't think so. But you
can be two and five and saying we can't make
the playoffs. So what's the difference, grasp from straws.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
I can look ahead, though, and I think no, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
There's a chance that they don't play that they look
they look just because of worse indictment.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yeah, they're completely disinterested. They're two and five. Not a
lot of two and five teams make the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
No, that's that's what I think.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
If they were to lose today and then they got
to turn it around and go against Houston, that's the visceration.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
That's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Where's that game?

Speaker 9 (01:04:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
If that game is on the road, I'd have the
Texans by two scores. If they lost to the Patriots
and then they had to go on the road in
a short week to play Houston, I would take Houston.

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Speaker 10 (01:04:39):
Hey guys doing great?

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
How are you.

Speaker 10 (01:04:43):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:04:45):
I hear always talk or whatever. But the illusion that
optima has got me going crazy because if you don't
understand is that, yes, the Jets going through all these problems,
but they face good team, are totally enough on both
sides of the ball. They don't spread, they'll have no
threats on either side of the ball. I mean when
I looked at it, that the game, the first meeting
that we had against them, whatever, I can't understand how
they got right because we don't have anybody can really

(01:05:05):
trushure Aaron Rodgers or get to him or corrode them
on whatever. He doesn't have to worry about a tej
wh he doesn't have to worry about the hotestmith he
doesn't have to worry about the king with Hey where
people talk about it. Yeah, they sizes are not as
talented as a Jet, but at least they do have
some cornerstones they can build from. The Patriers don't really
have any like talking about it. That's the reason why
they reach my team. They have done bad, are able
to get right against this team because the Patrires are

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totally enough to challenge even that one of five Jackson's
it's pretty good talent wild they played at fifteen previous
you know, uh prior to press the Patriots that were
are pretty good in talent wilse why too and played
got pretty well. But the Patriots no pretty take on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Yeah, that's hard to argue. I mean, it's not necessarily
Patty and agawam. It's kind of the other anti the
other end of the spectrum. But I mean he's not wrong, no, And.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
He seemed a little bit more angry about it than
I think more realistic Patriot Fians are who look at
the rosters of virtually every other team and you're on
the short stick against First of all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I don't think we should be in this position. I don't,
you know. We we talked about it. We don't have
to rehash it, but I understand the anger. It's a
lot of money that wasn't spent, and there's a lot
of holes on the roster, none of which were filled
or addressed. I mean, they drafted a quarterback with a
third overall pick, which every GM in the league likely
would have done, and that's it. And I don't think

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they should. I don't think that has to be this bad,
is I guess my point. I wasn't expecting to be
a playoff team, Mike, but I wasn't expecting it to
have all this off field stuff going on. I wasn't
expecting there to be bickering with young players, and you know,
I wasn't expecting this, you know, one hundred and sixty
five yards a game over a six five week span

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on the ground. There's a lot of things that have
happened that I even though I didn't think that they
would win a lot of games that I wasn't expecting.
Does that make anything like that?

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
I mean, look that the I mean you're talking snapshots
like you don't want to say that this draft class was,
you know, a failure.

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
But right now, the only player you're getting a return
on immediately. Drake is Drake many.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Now, if it ends up that he hits big, that's
all anybody will care about. But you were like to
have thought you could have gotten more.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
And we've talked about it since, I mean really twenty
twenty twenty. I mean that's every one of these drafts
when you're trying to rebuild, is absolutely critical. And look,
we're halfway through this season. As I look at you
get three preseason games, seven down, ten games total down,
you got ten more to go.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
You need to see more than Drake. I said it
this week.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
You need more than just Drake May coming out of
the season feeling like, oh we got something, like they
need to feel pretty good about at least a couple
of these rookies. And I mean Paul's general point is right,
if Drake May is a superstar, that's all you're really
going to care about from this draft class. But until
I know he's a superstar, I need more else. I'm
looking at, you know, year five is when we're really
going to be realistical.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
And I feel like they've turned us into Drake May
Hayter's Mike because we're not like we need more than
we haven't we haven't already put him in superstar status,
but I will say, you know, in this draft classes defense,
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
The two reason was going to come into play.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
The two offensive linemen are hurt right, thank you. They
haven't played well when they were when they were in there,
so I'm not telling you like they have two budding
Anthony Munos's that like when they were in there, they
got kind of overpowered.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
They look like rookies.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
They looked like overmatched rookies. Sometimes I thought Robinson.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Showed you a little.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
The wide receivers have been disappointment to a disaster. One
of them can't get on the field for you know,
a variety of reasons, and the other one has been
very inconsistent in polk. But it's seven games. I mean,
you know, I you know, I'm just gonna let it.
That's what I hate. I despise when the check mark

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is put in the positive. When a guy has four
good games, what a great draft pick. Yeah, so you
can't know it both ways. No one has a problem
with that. No one has a problem with doing that.
But if you say that a guy hasn't done anything
in seven games, you got to give them three years.
You got to give a draft class three years. No,
I agree, you got to give it three years, but
you don't when they when they hit right away. Yeah, So,
like I like to be pretty consistent. I don't immediately

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declare them home runs just because they have a modicum
of success in the first month of their career. But
I also don't say that, you know, Leyden Robinson and
Kayden Wallace won't ever be able to play because they
got hurt in the first month and a half of
their career and they haven't gotten much out of them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
That's why I said it's just a snapshot, and that's
I think the way to look at it. But like
at a certain point, the snapshot has to change and
has to start getting a little bit better, you know. Regardless,
we're not going to declare anything for a couple of years.
That's when you really know. I continue to really believe
in Jalen Polk. I mean, I know he is up
against it right now. You know, he said he need
a mental reset. I don't think the concussion was what
anyone meant by that, but you know, being able to

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get back in there, have a little bit of time
to step away. I just I continue to believe in
that player, and I think he has what they need.
But I'm hoping he can he can break through this
wall that he's kind of hit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Right here, I choose to place a lot of stock
and it might be wrong in wide receiver coach Tyler Hughes. Okay,
they had to have first class intel on the player
for them to make the pick. You want to talk
to me about should they have traded up to try
to get a flashier guy, different story, but where they
were they had good intel on this guy. I'm not

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going to throw this guy out after seven games and
say he can't play. It has not been good to start,
there's no question about it. But I believe they've got
good intel on this player and that he will be
I think there's a chance for him to be a
productive player. Now, maybe the mental things that you're talking about,
maybe he's got the yips, you know, maybe he's struggling
to find a footing, solid footing in the National Football

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League as a young player. Those are all things that
you you know, you might have the best intil intel
in the world. And when they get out there and
the guy's battling against himself, who could have foreseen.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
That yeah, you know, I think it's snowballed a little
bit on him, just I think the mental stuff, it's
just it all goes to talk about drops.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
What was the drop was in job?

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
I mean, the fact is he just hasn't really caught
the ball when they've been thrown it to it, regardless
of sheep docket or they haven't connected. And that's a
change from what we saw in the summer a little bit.
But yeah, I think this this hopefully this week, and
you know, you don't you never want anyone to have
a concussion, of course, but maybe this week allows him
just to take a little bit of a step back
to a good point, different perspective on the game and
reset a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
Because he's one piece. I'll really look at these last
you know, nine games now for him, hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
I would agree with you guys, I think the drops
are the least of the issue. I don't you guys know, Mike,
you definitely know I'm not as much of a believer
in the talent as as others are. But I mean,
all you guys drop passes once in a while. And
by the way, they weren't drops last week, like drops plural,
Like maybe there was one that he had a chance

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to catch, the one that that like hung up and
was was behind him and he came back for at
the safety your boy. Uh yeah, uh Thong to Dong
Dong Thong broke up. That's that's not a drop. Like
the guy got there when the ball got there, knocked
the ball away, Like that's that's a PD. But I
think it was because it was intended for Polk, and
Polk is in a bad way right now. It becomes

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a drop because he was involved in a play that
you know, had a chance to be completed. I don't
like if if he had no drops, I would be
underwhelmed with his production. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 14 (01:12:10):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
I'm not telling you if he had every ball that
was thrown his way was a completion, that's different. I'm
talking about drops. If he caught every pass he had
a chance to catch, I don't think his production would
be all that great.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Joe for New Hampshire next on the Patriots Pregame Social
fueled by Duncan, Good Morning Joe.

Speaker 11 (01:12:27):
More thing, guys.

Speaker 18 (01:12:29):
When it was announced that was in active, you kind
of speculated there is a chance of a trade being
in place. I'm just curious. What do you guys think
is a reasonable expectation of a return. I find it
hard to believe they're begetting anything more than a sixth
round pick for him. Yeah, I'll take your thoughts off
the air.

Speaker 11 (01:12:48):
Thanks, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
I couldn't agree with you more. And and Joe, I
was the one doing the speculating, Paul, you were doing your.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Show earlier when showed up on the was doing my show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Mike on the inactive list, healthy scratch, it's the only
I mean, look, no, he's not going to really benefit
you in trying to stop the run, but on a
defense that's devoid of playmakers, he can get to the
quarterback a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Don't you need him for Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
I would? I mean it's a surprise, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:13:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
My guess is I think it sounds like you guys
were on the same plane that we were talking on
my show. You know, Mike Reese wrote is you know
extensive open to his Sunday notes today about Usha perhaps
being on the trading block, and I wonder if maybe
they even have something in place. I want to make
sure he doesn't comes out of the week healthy, right,
But because I mean this to me would be a

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josh Ucha Gaate.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Sure, like we got to keep Aaron Rodgers in the pocket.
We gotta we gotta have someone that is going to
chase him down, like they don't have a lot of
those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Right, No, right, And yeah, I'm with Joe in that
I don't know what the return. I don't think the
return is going to be. I would class Patriot fans
not to get to it, except Karen.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Grigian speculating they would like a fifth, which means yeah,
I'd like the first to like. Yeah, but just a
strange player overall, the way that his career's gone. When kid,
you know, they started him in twenty twenty, had him
inside a little bit and it seemed like they were
trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
If he could be more round talent there.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
No, that's what I kind of came in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
That's one that I think you can be critical of
Bill Belichick.

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
He came in as what he was and he's just
kind of stayed what he was the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
He's never going to don Brown about him.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Yeah, they oh he can bend the edge more made
really good intel on him that we confident that intel Paul.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
But even when they've been so difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
I assume that they're confident of intel when they draft
these guys. But I just don't think that he's I
don't think he fits that profile.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
No, And just when you look at the depth chart
of not really having stand up edge players anymore, and
he still remains a twenty snap maybe like fifteen, I
do think.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
He could be invaluable, you know, in the Patriots. This
is why it was weird to me that Belichick got him.
The Patriots have not traditionally used guys that way, you know,
like we have Matt Smith can really get after the passer.
He can't really do anything else, right, can't host a show,
but he can't get after the pass A really good point. Right,
So we're gonna, you know, some teams will say, we're

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gonna have Matt Smith rush the passer. We're gonna put
him on the field twenty twenty five thirty snaps a game,
and we're gonna say, Matt, don't worry about setting the edge,
don't worry about you know, you run fits, Just get
after the passer, get in the backfield. The Patriots have
traditionally not done that. I think if Ousha was on
a team that asked him to do that, And obviously
I'm exaggerating, but if Ousha was on a team that

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asked him to do that, I think he has the
ability to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
He could be more productive. Is this a weird one
to hear, Paul? I'm gonna go into the wayback machine.
Sean Crable, Seawn Crable, crazy legs just really couldn't stick,
you know what he could do, but they were enabored
by the physical traits he had the wingspian that the
McGuinness would have.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Coincidentally, you know where did they both go to school?

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Michigan?

Speaker 11 (01:15:56):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
They were, Michigan was a.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Third round pick.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Believe you're right? Yeah, I will admit. That's another one.
You know people always say, oh, Paul only tells us
after the fact when he has another one. Miss, I
like Sean. I like Sean Crable. You liked so Measurables
until I saw him, right, and I said, too skinny,
those legs are too skinny.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Right, you like the Measurables, right, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, I liked you know, back in those days, Matt
you know, Belichick used to talk about guy four six
six six four four six yeah, six four William mc
ginnis height run of four six forty, you know, and
that's you know, those guys were.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
Right, especially that time.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
I don't remember exactly what year he came in, maybe
nine or ten, but that's when they really needed to
replace those guys.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
So you were you were just hoping that they could
find that. Yeah, and let's face it, it's kind of
what they need now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
They need that throughout the time. They ended up falling
into like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Rob robincretch and then drafted Chandler Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
And good Mike Dan from Poughkeepsie, New York. You were
next in the Patriots pregame social fueled by Duncan. Good afternoon, Dan.

Speaker 19 (01:16:58):
Hey guys, can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
It's sir ye.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Hey.

Speaker 19 (01:17:02):
Uh So I'm going to the Colt game layer just
to see the throwback uniforms. I'm sorry this is such
an underwhelming topic, but honestly, I can't think about the
Jets anym was this week. So I like the seventies
with stripe on the side. I know, uh that Jukes
prefers the Dynasty jersey, Matt. I don't know your preferences.

(01:17:23):
If they could wear any jerseys today, what would you
have him dressed blue with.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
The silver pants. Blue with the silver pants. That's the look.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
So that's Mike Dynasty.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
They looked good, they played well in doing it. You
know what's if it's.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
Not broke, you know they'll come back at some point.
I believe they have to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Yeah, last week I thought was a thumbs down on
last week? Joe, Dan, what did you think? I'm not
a big white and silver combination guy.

Speaker 19 (01:17:55):
You know what I'm I already know your preferences, so
I know that Paul thought to look dirty. I thought
it looked nice to do something with you. I like
the great pant with the white shirt. I think they
said they haven't worn him since the nineties. I don't
know if that's correct, but I do like that combination.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
All right, some good uniform talk, Dan, thanks for the
phone call.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
What does he mean when you say they looked dirty,
which I think I might agree with you? And it
didn't look like it looked like it was clean up
top dirty down below, Like put them through the wash,
that's what right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Like I used to say that about the old silver
jerseys that they wore once a Blue movie.

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
They look dirty, clean them up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
They looked dirty, look fantastic. I have to ask who
are you wearing? So I mean like I mean, I
am a broken record. And Dan knows because Dan listens
all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:18:43):
Like I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
I just used to like the look of those old
late seventies uniforms, the red with the white pants. At home,
they went to the white shirts with the red pants
there like maybe seventy nine ish. I thought those were
really sharp. I love the You know, Matt and I
are of an age where, you know, the explosion of
color in sports uniforms was at its height. Now a

(01:19:07):
lot of people look at that as like a garish
age of like just ugliness. I love it. I'm here
like Matt and I. Matt and I will send each
other tweets when these random like nineteen seventy seven American
League Baseball All Star team will be there and all
the uniforms are there and you can't even see. You

(01:19:28):
can't even see, you can't even see the face. You
have no idea, but you know by the uniform Jr.
Richard who was the All Star, and Matt and I
will say how many could you get? And we do
it separately, and we just loved those uniform combinations and
I and I get it like traditionalists A probably like
you liked the like the the nineteen seventy five Boston

(01:19:49):
Red Sox uniforms better than the nineteen eighties. Yeah, every
day and twice.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Contrast that with the monochromatic and I can't. I think
it was LSU, Texas A and M last night that
was a primetime college football game. And I said something
to my son, I said, who is in the all black?
And he looked at me incredulously and goes, Dad, that's
Texas A and M. I said, that's terrible. And to
take it a step further, LSU had white helmets, like

(01:20:20):
what are we doing?

Speaker 10 (01:20:21):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
And LSU's gonna, I like, what what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
They've got a great uniform us you might have in college. Absolutely,
and I agree with you that the white helmets last night.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
With all threw it off.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
Yeah, they family.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Then they lost, We lost and they lost. I don't
like the teams that wear black that don't wear black, yes,
like Texas A and M's colors. You know, they have
that like that dark like crimson color. You know, like
why are they wearing black?

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Because it's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
I feel that way about my my Holy Cross Crusaders.
It's purple and white. They they've been working black in
for years. But I like the purple and the white
is it's a little more crisp.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
But the purple gets lost with the black. I don't know,
offsets it too much.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Black and purple. Yeah, it's like the Ravens, you know,
like that's not it's not the Ravens.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
The Ravens were they all black sometimes?

Speaker 8 (01:21:06):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
And I don't like it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
Yeah, I like the purple.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Yeah, I don't like it at all.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
No, you don't like the Ravens at all.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
No, but but you respect I think. I think the
Ravens if if you don't want to see the Chiefs
win a third straight, I think the Ravens might be
your only chance out there. They might be the only
ones that are going to slow down.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
So I'm curious. I mean it's probably more of a
late season topic, but I'm curious. Would you know, little
Matt Smith sitting there watching the the AFC Championship game,
I know what you think about the Ravens. So do
you root for the Ravens to prevent Kansas City's three
peete or do you really? Yeah, just so you know,

(01:21:47):
I know, I know Matt's inner workings here a little
bit that comment spoke volume. I know what he thinks
of the Ravens, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Respect the Ravens organization there. I respect their program. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
No, I mean I don't know how you couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Yeah, because they've done in a bunch of different ways.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Now, I mean, see, I would root, you know, I'll
be if that happens. I'd be rooting for the Chiefs.
I'd probably root for the Bills because of the Josh
Allen punches. I always like think that he's so unfairly ripped,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
But that's it, right, There's three teams in the FC
that have a sniff.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Yeah, probably wouldn't like I don't know, maybe Houston if
they got healthy, but I don't think that they have.
I don't think they're at that level. They played Kansas City,
you know they, I mean, Baltimore pretty tough in the
first half of that game last year the Divisional round. Now,
let me know if that was a touchdown game at halftime,
let me know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
If Derek Henry is healthy the rest of the Derek.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Hen that might be the X factor. And I'll tell
you there are a lot of things that I say
are wrong that might be the wrongest. Derek Henry will
not be a good fit with the Ravens Man man
as he transformed that offense.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
All right, so we're talking about things like predictions and
wants and things like that, and Matt, let's go to
the over Unders.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Please, it's time for this week's edition of over Unders.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
All right, your Johnny standings right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Yeah, last last week Mike and Paul went four and too.
No socks went to and four.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
That's because I was in London the play Way. But
that's another story.

Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
Touch just the touch of the boo Barbac.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
I tell you it might be soft, but we have
plenty of excuses. Play plague, plague, bubonic.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
Right, questionable, But but showed up, showed up right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
I'm just so your criticizing your performance. Well, that's because
I mean, you're you're you're trying to like mitigating circumstances injury,
report played hurt. Michael. Tell you about the time that
I showed up for a free game show. I didn't
think I was gonna lift.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
See the post, speaking of which, isn't Mike coming off
of a high school reunion last night?

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
Yeah, that's my that's my voice.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
You're a good kid.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
No, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
It's kind of like a wedding, a lot of like
thirty second conversations with random people from your past.

Speaker 5 (01:24:06):
But you didn't get after it. No, no, no, no,
it was fun professionalism. You could tell us no no.
But everybody looked really Everybody looked really good, real.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Anybody looked really not a wicked hands.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
There was only a couple of people I didn't recognize,
just you know, guys that had facial hair now or
you know, had lost some hair in wrong spots.

Speaker 5 (01:24:23):
But but now it was fun. It's fund seen a
lot of those people in.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Deuice on the loose.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Last night Deuce was out.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Deuce on the loose is not on the loose.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Walk up the women and children.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
I've had a couple of bud.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
Lights because they're easy to drink, they're easy to enjoy,
especially at your thirtieth reunion.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Nice. So I just love that kind of content.

Speaker 9 (01:24:41):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
The standings out of as follows. Paul leads the way
No Surprise There twenty six and sixteen, No Socks twenty
three and nineteen, followed by Mike twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
Two and twenty those footsteps Powder Potter.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Okay, So, without any further ado, here are the categories today.
We'll lead it off with Drake May passing yards at
two ten and a half, two ten and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
Michael, give me the over. I gotta throw the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
I mean, I just think you got to play the trends.
I've been a big fan of the trends, and Drake
May has been putting up some production, so I will
continue that over three four three.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Aaron Rodgers passing touchdowns one and a half is the
number provided to us by DraftKings.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I'm gonna take the over on that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Machure Rogers, Hey, yeah, yeah, over. Okay, so we're an
agreement on all of them. Drake May pass attempts at
thirty one point five, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
I'm gonna take the under on that. I think they're
gonna try to run the ball early in this game
and that might keep the attempts down slightly.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Ditto.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
Ah, you guys, I'm gonna go under two. I was
trying to think about be different, but boy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
We're all same on three for three. Hunter Henry receiving
yards with the Jets not starting. They're two starting safeties,
injury concerns up the middle Hunter Henry receiving yards at
thirty four point five, Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
I think it's a good bet. I'm gonna take the
over on that one. He's uh, it's the safety valve.
I think a love more on that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Yeah, I'm gonna take the over too. It looks like
that's the one guy that Drake may is shown a
very comfort level.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Yes, yes, three four three in one two three four
categories the law longest field goal made. We had the
greatest field goal kicker of all time on the show
earlier at forty eight and a half. I'm gonna lead
that off and go under.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
I'm gonna take the under as well. I think it's
a little cooler here. Yeah, it has been, so that
might might prevent the longer field goals to that. I
don't know. Is that Greag the leg for the Jets
and he's been struggling.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Yes all year.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
Yeah, I'm gonna make it interesting. I'm gonna go over.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Joey slid hits a fifty order. Okay, that's a slide
into time maneuver. Last, but not least, the total score
is forty one forty one. I'm gonna say I'm gonna
go under on that. I don't see this. I don't
see a lot of offense today, and I maybe this
is a heart instead ahead. But I think for the

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game to be close to the Patriots favor, they've got
to play down. The score has gotta be down.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
I'm gonna go under on that damn under two and
it's even gonna match my score predictions.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
So you're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
I did the map.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
I will take the over. I think that the Jets
offense will be better today than it has been.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
In recent weeks. Okay, DeVante Adams, they listened to the man.
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crown is yours. Where do you see that coming, Paul?
Do you see that coming from a balanced Jets attack?
Do you think they can run it and throw it today?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Well, I think they're gonna just do what they did
well the last time, and they matched it up and
down the field against the Patriots defense that was playing
better at the time. Than it is now. So you know,
I think Adams is better than Lazard. I know Lizard's
out altogether, so I think that's another guy to worry
about in the secondary. I think they'll be able to
throw it early and run it late, kind of like

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Jacksonville started last week.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
Yeah, I just I don't have a lot of confidence
and stop in the runs.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
That's the piece to me that Briest Hall, Braylan Allen,
those are two really good backs that you know can
also catch it a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
And I just think that versatility.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
It gives a lot for the Patriots defense to deal
with in some of their weakest spots, and I think
it's a place that Jets can exploit him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Here's one and I'm gonna have to cough here for
a second, hope, please excuse me. Cough button is there?
You have to tell me about that? Sorry about that?

Speaker 5 (01:28:44):
It says cough, does it?

Speaker 11 (01:28:46):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Sorry?

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
It's like every time I want a cough, I just
go on the Adams and.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Now Garrett Wilson duo that the Jets have. It does
put a little bit more of a spotlight on Christian
Gonzalez and the Patriots quarterbacks, and I think Gonzal struggled
last week over the overseas. Mike, this is not a
great spot for him, is it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
I mean, I mean I think he's been good.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
I just I connected to the front, I connected to
the pass rush, I connected to a lot of that stuff.
I mean, look, he's got to be better, especially I
think off the line, being a little bit more physical
guys disrupting some of the timing. But you know, I
just I don't put it all on the secondary. I
think it's to me, that's where I look first is upfront,
and it's just a defense that is one of the
worst pressure great teams in the in the league.

Speaker 5 (01:29:29):
So they've got to find way to get pressure. But
you know, it's just it's a heart.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
It's a fine line of keeping Aaron Rodgers in the
pocket and then getting to him and finishing him off.
It's gonna be opportunities, I think for him to squirt
out and make plays, and that's when it gets rough
with the coverage.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
I agree with Mike on the secondary in general, I
don't think it's been great, but I also don't put
the burden on them. I think Gonzalez has been okay.
I it's funny because the first three or four games,
people were really, you know, heaping praise on Gonzalez and
I was like, well, he's been okay. And the last
couple of games people have been really critical of Gonzalez
and I've been like, no, no, he's okay. And I

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know people are like, well, he learned that from Felder,
you know, on his show, like you just have to
be a contrarian.

Speaker 6 (01:30:10):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
I think that his performance has been pretty similar in
most of these games, but somehow we're interpreting it differently
based on a player or two here or there. I
don't necessarily look at just the results. I look at
the coverage, you know, like that Jets game on that
Thursday night when Garrett Wilson runs right by him and
Aaron Rodgers underthrows him and it's not complete. It just

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falls out of bounds like that. To me, is that
that was the play to Brian Thomas last week that
everybody saw it gets completed. I treat those two plays
the same, not the result, you know, much like going
for two point conversions.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Matt, Well, hold on for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Not just I'm just joking.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
I'm just joking. As pregame warm ups are being ready
to commit.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Evidently the three of us are the only three that
are not on the field at the time. Right, A
lot of people out there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
Oh, I don't Brake May in his second year and
now we're talking about he's played ten games in his
NFL career. I don't think Christian Gonzalez's play has risen
to a point where, well, you can't throw at him,
you can't challenge him.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
To the contrary, I think people are thrown out on
every game, correct, correct, and and it's been and he's
been like, I think he's been okay, Like I don't
think I don't think he's been terrible. I just don't
think he was as great as he was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Being hide out to me early in the year slowed down.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
You know, and I continue to get back to and
I don't know the answer to it. Sometimes it's dangerous
to ask questions you don't know the answers to. But
if he was the next and you know, like right now,
people are talking about Patrick Sutan, Sauce Gardner, a little
bit of Derek Stingley, these young corners that are really
up and coming, If he's one of them, then I

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would think that you're asking him to take the other
team's best receiver man to man the vast majority, if
not the entire game, and the Patriots are not asking
him to do that, correct, So I don't know the
reason for that. Maybe it's bad coaching. I think they
don't think that that's the best thing for the team.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
I would agree with that. Joe from Poughkeepskie. If you're
looking at the pregame social you can see the going
with the my word dreaded all blues today for the
Patriots form match today. All right, the electronic meal addresses
podcast at Patriots dot com. And who is this person?
No name on it. But what's going to be the

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narrative or the takeaway if this game turns into a shootout?
Away from your lips to Glad's ears, if both teams
end up in the thirties? Are we feeling better about
the direction of the quote? Program end quote? As Paul
calls it, Paul, they called you out your thoughts, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
I would feel better about the offense, and Drake may,
but overall, not necessarily. I would rather I would say
you know what, I would say yes, in general terms,
I would say yes, I would rather lose a shootout,
and I'd feel better about losing a shootout because now
I feel like, Okay, I have the I have a
quarterback that can get in a shootout and put points

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on the board, Whereas the last three years that was
game set match. If you know the other team was
going to threaten thirty points, you might as well not
even bothered playing the rest of the game because you
could be alone in the field and not score at
thirty points.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Michael, Yeah, it's a it's just it's hard to see
how they get there.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
I need to see something new from the Patriots defense
to be able to like, like do they show anything
in a shootout? I'm resiguous, like right down the field,
right down the field, right down the field.

Speaker 5 (01:33:33):
Those those things won't make you feel great. But I
agree with the general point of what Paul said. If
they continue to.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
Stack points, because that's always been kind of the caveat
of these games. It's like, yeah, Drake May looks a
little better, the production, the output was still kind of
the same. So until the output starts to improve, I
think that's something that that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Kind because that's like everybody's talking about May and I
listen this, I told you that I would have taken
May over Jayden Daniels, I told you that I would
have started May in week one. I'm happy with Drake May.
But the bottom line is what Mike just said is
is one per true. It's looked different because they've been
able to throw the ball and make some plays in

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the passing game, but the production has been virtually the same. Right,
the production in the passing game is greater, but in
the running game it's less, and the total yardage is
roughly the same, and the points have been roughly the same.
So like if they can all of a sudden go
from sixteen eighteen, I think they're averaging eighteen points in
these two games all like that. You know, if they
could go from what they'd done in the last two

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games to suddenly score, you know, thirty one points and lose,
I think that is a cause to answer the emailer's
question to be excited.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
David Main emails and his subject line is f them picks.
It looks like we're going to be trading uce. That's
unfortunate because we'll probably get a fifth at best that
will be wasted anyway. I don't know if I agree
with that until we prove that we can actually draft them.
I say, f them picks. I have a feeling this
is going to be a rough watch. What do you
guys think today's game?

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
I hope not. I hope not.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
I hope they're competitive. I mean, I've said it many times.
Even when the Patriots were at the height of their
powers and the Jets were a crappy team, there were
some games where they surprised you and they hung in
there and they were you know, fought tight, even when
they were, you know, as overwhelmed by the talent deficits
as some might say the Patriots are today. So I
just love it's your thing, Matt. I'd love to see
them compete today. I'd love to see them be competitive.
I'd love to see them for some punts, you know,

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sustain some drives.

Speaker 5 (01:35:30):
Not how that be. So it's great, it's terrible. It's
like it's such a.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
Wave of emotion with this team sometimes, and you know,
last week it was just kind of the first the
start was the great, and then it's terrible. I just
find a steady spot for this team, be consistent, try
to find a way to compete and stick in this
game and have it come down to the end. I
think if they do that, we'll see what the final
result is. But I'll give them some credit for that
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Is this is this a little too soft of a
comment that I'm going to be made here? But is
it time after a one and six start to reset?
You know? Do you have to do that? And the
bar that I'm giving them, Mike, as you know, is
quite low. I want to look at a competitive team today.
I want to see a team that gives its all,
that balls out and then let's see what happens as
far as the results is concerned. That you know, after

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last week, I kind of feel like a reset might
be needed. I just have seen this the last couple
of years.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
We've seen, you know, some bad football teams that have
lost a lot of games, and you see each week
they push new.

Speaker 5 (01:36:27):
Buttons, you know, but you run out of those buttons
to push. You can only have so many come to
Jesus meetings and so many players only we gotta be better.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
That stuff only works a certain amount of time. And
they're at that like inflection point right now where it's
either guys are gonna buy in and they're gonna be
a scrappy team down these last ten games and you know,
show something and show some progress, or it's gonna go
the other way, and it's gonna be each week we're
kind of falling apart and stuff that we've been seeing,
guys yelling at each other, all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:36:57):
It's gonna continue to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Paul, you talk about the Jets and the possibility with
the Jets, with their season really being on the line,
they had high hopes as far as it's concern, and
sure they could turn it around. Maybe it's unlikely because
of the spot that they put them in. But you're
saying to yourself, if things don't go well, that they
implode and there goes the whole season. Do you have
any fear of that, that the Patriots are at this
inflection point and something that similar could happen, that they just,

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you know, that they go the other way rather than compete.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I mean not really, you know, in terms of can
because I don't think that I don't think it's necessarily
been entirely about a lack of effort, you know, And
I think that there has been periods where the Jets
could could wonder about that. Now it's hard to say.

Speaker 11 (01:37:43):
I I.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Think if the if the record is what we think
it's going to be. For the Patriots, you could say, oh,
that they did, they just went in the tank.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
I don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
I don't think they're one in six because they went
in the tank. No, you know, and they could go
one and six the next seven games, and I'm not
gonna say, well, that's because they went in the tank.
I just I think that most most of these weeks
they're going to have a hard time and they're gonna
need some help from the other team to win.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Now they don't need help from the other team to compete.
You know, there's not that big of a difference between
the best and the worst in the NFL, Like you
should be able to compete every week. And you know,
to your point, Matt, the last three quarters last week,
you know, the competition level was was suspect. I think
that's why Gerard said what he said.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Chris writes in was Malcolm Mitchell a success based on
that particular team? I think so curious how you all feel.
I'm still hopeful to get something out of the rest
of this draft class, which is why he's bringing up
Malcolm Mitchell always random. I'm disappointed so far. I haven't
seen much signs of hope. So if he's disappointed in
the draft class, I think he's looking at a guy
like Mitchell, who's a fourth round pick. If my memory

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serves correct, and Mitchell ran into injury.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Problems, that yeah, I mean, I think he was a contributor.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
On a good team. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
But guys that get hurt, that's that's a different thing.
Like I would I would argue that that was a
bad pick because the reason he was available was the injury,
and then that injury ended his career prematurely. Everybody thought
he could play, you know, and some of those worked out.
It was kind of like in that era where difference

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for Dominic Easley. Yeah, I mean everybody had like Bill
was remarkably fortunate every time he did that for a
long time, you know, Gronkowski being the poster child, right,
and then all of a sudden, Jordan Richards, some of
those guys, well, Jordan Richards wasn't hurt. Like I'm talking
about taking damaged goods.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
Okay, sorry, that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Were only like Malcolm was only available when he took
him because of his injury, Like Sony Michelle was only
available when he took him because of his injury, Like
you know Sony Michel's probably he wasn't going much higher
than that. That's probably not a great example. Dominique easily,
you know, people liked Dominique easily, but he had torn
both acls and you know people were worried about him.
Gronk is the poster child. Yes, Like aside from Greg Badard,

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who I love to take shots like, I love to
tease Greg about this. I love to tease Greg about
it because I know it bothers Greg, Like, he just
did not heat at all. I don't see it at all.
Just kidding Greg, Greg knows I love him good. But
everybody saw the talent that Gronk had, but not everybody

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is in a position like Bill Belichick where you have
three titles and basically carte blanche. You know, if that
second round pick doesn't work out, Bill Belichick is still
going to coach the team for the next fifteen years
or whatever it was, thirteen years, I guess in that case.
You know, if Raheem Morris is coaching somewhere and he
takes Rob Gronkowski in the second rounder and he never

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plays because of his back injury, he's out of a
job that GM or who you know, whoever it takes him,
is done. So I think some of those things easily
being one that Matt brought up, Malcolm Mitchell being another.
Malcolm Mitchell could play. Mitchell he was a good, complimentary receiver.
He could play, but his career lasted like what a

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year and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
As you're watching the Patriots pregame social fuel by duncan
you see the all blue uniforms? And Johnny and Madtown
writes and listen, I'm here for the red Patriots uniforms
with the white pants. I think it looks great, but
there is no replacing the dynasty unis. Bring them back.
I like a blackout uniform as long as there's some
color mixed in. Well, how does that happen? Excuse I mean,
I'm no fashionista, obviously, but how does that happened? The

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Cincinnati Reds have a cool black alternate uniform. Football is different,
though Red Sox red jerseys are my favorite. They have
currently not a huge fan of the Marathon colors, probably
since they have over used them. I'd like the socks
to break out the green Saint Patti's Day unis, and
I'd like them have it Bruins inspired black and gold
alternate Jersey. Oh yeah, Pats lose, but May looks good today.
That's from Johnny and Madtown. Spent a lot of time

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on the uniforms there. That's way over my uh yeah,
a lot of that uniforms.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
You can you know, you blame me for a lot
of stuff which is as accurate. You can blame Mic.
That's you can blame Mic for the uniform stuff and
the random random nonsense. Yeah, although I have to say
in general, I'm here for it. I don't mind talking
about you.

Speaker 5 (01:42:10):
Liked them in high school. I mean, you like the
uniform talk in high school. You seem like you were
interested in that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Yeah, I just don't. I don't lose sleep over it
like so many people do. Like it's just they can
wear tomorrow, right.

Speaker 20 (01:42:23):
People are really really interested on social media people, you
took it to a different place, like as we watch
Drake May warm up, let's go down in uh in
North Carolina, Eldrid, You're next on the Patriots pregame Social
Field by Duncan.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
Good afternoon, Eldred.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Whoa, whoa, that's aggressive on a Sunday ten.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Good buddy, Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 8 (01:42:50):
Working but uh uh, I've seen some of y'all comments.

Speaker 10 (01:42:55):
This goes back to like I said before the draft
with Field, you know, and that's.

Speaker 8 (01:43:00):
Why we where we are now.

Speaker 11 (01:43:02):
It's his fault. And for him talk so much noise
about the Patriots and Mayo, it's his fault that is
like this and he should shut that, you know what
up because he put us here, you know. But the
receiver what I hope they don't trade wou okay, unless
they're gonna try to get a tackle for him.

Speaker 8 (01:43:20):
But if they get a fourth or fifth round.

Speaker 10 (01:43:21):
Draft, they're gonna be like, I'm gonna be mad.

Speaker 8 (01:43:24):
So that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Okay, I'm just gonna let you know you're gonna be mad.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Eldred, thanks for the fourth Thanks for the phone. If
they get a fourth form, they're gonna stop the game
in the middle of it and have a ceremony for
crying out loud.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Be good.

Speaker 9 (01:43:35):
They do.

Speaker 5 (01:43:35):
They do have ten picks right now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
So do they have ten? Yeah? So that's what this is.
Have ten? Well, they got something, which is they got
something for Judon.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Yeah, they got they got a third.

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
Per so we got a third for Judon. We got
a seventh via Tennessee for folk On a seventh via
the lack. I'm not sure who the lack one was
for him. Might have been a it might have been
a draft trade.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
But yeah, so two extra seventh yep, oh boy, and
two thirds Yeah, the third, the third round pick for
Judaon was a good trade.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
I insist that's the best thing. I think that's the
best single move that Elliott Wolf has made so far.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
So they're going into April right now with ten and
they want more, No question about that. Uh, Matt, let's
hit the Sunday six pack. Please.

Speaker 5 (01:44:19):
This is the Sunday sixth pack, So kick back and
listen them up positioning. I'm getting to getting the bits back.
You better bring a big stack, get it mixed, jack,
but win it yet this is the Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Sixth bad all right, question for mister Morel the rationale
why we're only doing one o'clock games today? Is that
just what you felt? Okay, I'm just curious, you know,
in the maybe in the twelve thirty hour people have
kind of an eye. I'd like to get the pain
of the day later. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
I just was wondering what the rationale you you versus
you want to do this stuff today.

Speaker 5 (01:44:54):
That way bought. Paul can check it in the post.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Games come out today.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Oh okay, that's a good answer. That's a good answer.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
So there's some scratch outs here on my sheets. I'm
just gonna try to wing this a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Looks like a lot of mediocrity.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Well, it looks like Mike went four and two and
Paul and No Socks went three and three.

Speaker 5 (01:45:16):
So buddy, I thought we're friends killing me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Yeah. The the overall standings are pathetic, very adequate in
their adiquocity, is it though, Mike and No Socks at
twenty twenty and two, Paul a game behind at nineteen
twenty one and two.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
Yeah, that's barely mediocre. All right, So let's kick things off.
Mister Morel has given us all one o'clock game.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
We're all losing money at Houston, where.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
The Texans are giving five to the Indianapolis Colts. Deuce,
kick us off, please.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
I probably Recncy biased, but anytime I see a team
coming here and look really good like the Texans did,
I'm a little high on them.

Speaker 5 (01:45:57):
So I'm gonna take the Texans. I will lay those points,
even though the division game a little bit, a little
bit high with the five, but I'll lay them.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
Yeah, I echo everything Mike just said. I am tempted
to take the points division game, but I'm not going
to that. Anthony Richardson erratic like accuracy. To me, is
hard to imagine him putting enough points. He did it
in Week one. I think they lost like twenty nine
to twenty seven or something like all deep balls, right,
but I think Houston will cover this time.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Terrific fantasy quarterback pick is Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
I'm sensing some sarcasm with that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
I'm gonna lay down with Uston Texans, all right. Next
we go to Miami, where the Dolphins are hosting the
Arizona Arizona Cardinals. Dolphins are three and a half point
favorites and it is the return of tua.

Speaker 6 (01:46:44):
Is.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
Tyreek Hill and Jalen Wattle are ecstatic.

Speaker 5 (01:46:47):
Be careful, Tua, be careful.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
We love you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
I mean, you can do whatever you want to do,
but I don't feel comfortable watching.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
I love team Polly up. For those who's going me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
Oh, I'm gonna take Miami. I'm a little worried the
whole Tyreek Hill popping up on the injury report on
Friday and stuff. But it sounds like he's gonna play.
He probably won't because he's on my fantasy team and
now that two is back, he'll be out. But I'm
gonna say that they've been waiting for this game and
it's at Miami, where they typically play well. I don't

(01:47:23):
feel great about it, but I'm gonna lay the three
and a half. I'm not taking the hook.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
Don't forget the old West coast to East coast. One
who believes in it and the stats are so overwhelmingly
supporting that it's the other way. Yes, it's incredible. I'm
gonna lay with the Dolphins. I like Miami at home
against Arizona juice.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
I'm gonna get a little crazy. I'm gonna take Arizona.
I just don't know. It's too gonna step right back in.
It's all gonna be clicking.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
It's such a fine tune offense, so reliant on pinpoint
accuracy and pinpoint execution. I'm gonna say they don't quite
have it this week. I'm gonna go with Kyler Murray
and the Cardinals on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
In Cleveland and the dumpster fire that are the Browns.
The Baltimore Ravens on the road are eight and a
half point favorites in Cleveland. Lay them down, Lay him down.
I like the Ravens ball. That's Jamis James Winston.

Speaker 5 (01:48:12):
Yeah, backing for the bronxet. I love Jamis Winston.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
But I think that I'm gonna take Baltimore too. But
I'm worried about that because he can actually throw the
ball and they have had no semblance of a passing
game with Watson, and that Ravens defense is broken and
they're missing, They're gonna be missing. It's, you know, the
best corner in Marlin Humphrey. I'm gonna take Baltimore anyway
because I think they're that much better than Cleveland. But yeah,
that's a lot of points in the division, it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Is, and I'm going to take those points for Cleveland.
I think Jameis Winston chucks the ball around.

Speaker 5 (01:48:39):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
He's a thirty thirty club member, isn't he.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
I believe he is.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
Yeah, he's hilarious. That guy cracks me up. In Tampa,
where the Buccaneers are hosting a division game against the
Atlanta Falcons, where Atlanta is actually a favor against the
Bucks two and a half. That's a surprising line by
draftings heer Paully.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
I believe that's probably in reference to the wide receivers. Yeah,
the Bucks tied roster on offense side of Baker Baking
is banged up. So I'm going to take the Falcons
because of that. I think that's tough. First week without
Evans in and Godwin I think will be tough.

Speaker 5 (01:49:17):
Damn with PAULI I'll take the Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
What seems so obvious, I'm going to disagree and actually
go with the home team there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Bring Baker Bake, which brings us talk about thirty thirty guys,
he's chance.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Yeah, brings us to Cincinnati, where the four and two
Eagles are going to the Bengals, who really need this
game at three and four. Cincinnati is a two point pick, Mic,
and I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:41):
I'm gonna take the Bengals, like you said, I think
they need it. Eagles a little bit more up and down.

Speaker 5 (01:49:46):
I do love at Brown throw.

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
He's one of my favorite players in the league, continued,
just to enjoy watching him play.

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
But I'm gonna take Cincinnati.

Speaker 11 (01:49:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Matt's favorite dog receiver is out again today. T. Higgins
future Patriot T Higgins the thirty five million next year,
and that's for that reason. I am going to take
the Eagles because I think that they're gonna have a
hard I don't think Cincinnati will stop Philadelphia. I think
it's gonna be a high scoring game. I think when

(01:50:15):
you take Higgins out, it makes the bengals chances of
staying in a shootout that much more difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
I think the Bengals, as you know, Paul, one of
my favorite franchises in all of sports. I think the
game means more to them, and I'm going to, for
some wacky reason, go with the Bengals in that game,
laying the two, which brings us to the AFC East
matchup between the two and five New York Football Jets

(01:50:42):
and the one and six Patriots, where the Jets Patriots
are home dogs. They're laying seven today against the Jets. Michael, Yeah,
I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
Patriots got to show me something for me to get
back on the Patriots pick train. I just think the
Jets need this game a little bit more. They're a
little bit more talented. Patriots also has some key injuries
that they're dealing with. Tough not to have Kyle Duggar
out there at quality. They continue to tap depth they
don't have. So I am going to take the New
York Jets by a score of thirty to twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
I'm with Mike. I need to see something change before
I just assume it will change, and I'm going to
take the Jets to win this game fairly comfortably. I'm
going to say twenty seven to sixteen. Yeah, I just
think there's too much, too much of a difference in talent.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
I'm with both of you, and then I need some evidence. However,
I'm going to depart that by going with my heart
instead of my head. For some reason or other, I'm
going to look at what coach Jerod Mayo said in
the aftermath of the London game, whether we walked it
back on money or not, as a challenge that I
think the Patriots are going to accept that. I think
they're going to muddy the game up a little bit,
dirty it up a little bit. I think they'll hang close.

(01:51:51):
I like it with the points here at j Lette Stadium. Again,
tough to do that when you don't have a lot
to where there's not a lot of evidence, or hang
your head one.

Speaker 5 (01:52:03):
I'm like, now that's that's it, And I mean, these
are the games there and October.

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
We're getting in the point, not quite Thanksgiving, when everyone
says the real football starts, you know, that's when we
but you are to point out to be able to
say that, right, that's when we start the player of
us football hasn't been the case here, But I would say,
now we're in late October, this is where you think
even Bill Belichick would tell you, this is where you
start to know what you really have. And even with
injuries and everything that's happened in this team, like this
is who they are, this is who they've been. It's

(01:52:28):
time to start putting things together, especially in some of
the spots that they've been super super weak in.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Can they get any kind of a bump or any
juice from the crowd? Can they? You can they? Can
they make a play here? Can the crowd get behind
them a little bit and lift them just in a
little bit of a way to.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Better I'm laughing at you because the twenty fourteen Patriots
had hard time getting the.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Right Yeah, I mean they they they do need I mean,
I think that's what you need a good start for
you know, you need to keep the crowd invested. And yeah, look,
everybody's on edge. We've been on edge for a while.
And as soon as things start to go you feel
the murmurs. You feel that, you know, on comfortability in
the stands.

Speaker 6 (01:53:06):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
But you get a good start, you make, you know,
make a couple of big plays. Drake throws the ball
down the field little bit. I mean, I think we
all know what it felt like when he threw that
bomb last time we were here against Houston, right before
the end of the first half. It was, oh my god,
just an injection of energy everywhere. So they need that
those kind of plays early and often.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Yeah, And I would say, and I made the comment,
I don't think there's you. I think the other team
has more talent. But in the NFL, we having the
more talent isn't like it is in college where the
college team just is powerless, you know, to make any plays.
The Patriots can do what Mike said. You know, you
make a couple of plays in the passing game, you
run the ball better than you have the last couple
of weeks, and you give the crowd something to be

(01:53:45):
hopeful about and maybe get involved in the game, it's close,
and you know, obviously if it's close for a while,
you have a chance to win it, you know. And
this absolutely I would never go into an NFL game
and say there is zero zero zero, you know, chances
like any given much.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
As much has been made that this is Gerard Mayo's
rookie season as an NFL head coach, if you look
across the sidelines, it's, uh, jeff Erlacker, what's brick Albrick
is a name.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
That's why they're going to lose because you're disrespectful and
that they hear us talk.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
Like this, right, Okay, but I mean you don't even
know what defense. But I mean it's not like they've
got new Rockney over on the other side, and you know,
I mean they've got more talent.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
They made the coaching change, Matt to your point oh
and two, like it hasn't worked. You know, it certainly
hasn't worked in terms of you know, results.

Speaker 5 (01:54:34):
Just have been They've been masters of changing the narratives.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
That they lose a game, they fire their coasts, they
lose a game, they get DeVante Adams, they lose a game,
They're like, well.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
We're gonna be back.

Speaker 4 (01:54:41):
You know like it just keeps like they keep kicking
the can down the road of facing reality, and reality
could come hit them today if they if they don't
play well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
I couldn't agree more and I will say, you know,
if the last of the Jets apologists, you know, holding
their hat. Okay, so they're two and five, you know,
and these are their you know, much has been made
that they only beat the Titans and the Patriots. They
lost to the Niners, who a lot of people feel
like is a Super Bowl contender. At the Niners. They
lost to the Vikings on the road, actually in London.

(01:55:12):
They lost to the Bills on a Monday night game,
and they lost at Pittsburgh. The only quote unquote bad
loss they have is to Denver, and they have a
winning record the Broncos right now, so you could make
an argument that you know, they lose, you know, in
one of those games, by the way, that they didn't
have a chance to win, was the first one, the

(01:55:34):
Niners game. I mean, they lost twenty to seventeen, twenty
three seventeen to Minnesota, twenty three to twenty to Buffalo.
They had Pittsburgh dead and buried until they self destructed.
You know, they ended up losing going away, but they
had every opportunity to win that game if they're up
fifteen to three with the ball driving, when it all
just fell apart for them. So if you're a Jets

(01:55:54):
fan and you're like, well, this is when we should win,
right the Patriots, this is when we should win. We
get that, we feel better about ourselves and you know,
maybe we can start, you know, a streak where you
can win five out of seven and get yourself, you know,
right back in the race. As Danny and Quincy would
say on local sports talk radio.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
Well, Paul, we've used this phrase many a time. One
of our earlier callers said it early today. He never
gave us what the path was. But I'm going to
ask you and put you on the spot. Give me
a path to victory for the Patriots. What does it
look like today for the Patriots to win the game,
not be competitive, to win with the game?

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
I would say plus two minimum turnovers, exactly what I
was going to say. Maybe a missfield goal by Greg
the Lake too.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Yeah, do you do you have any success running the ball?

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Sure, but you don't score that way? Okay, Like you
need help, You need help from the other team to score. Okay,
I would say, don't.

Speaker 8 (01:56:44):
You think I do?

Speaker 5 (01:56:44):
That's right where my head went.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
I mean, they're gonna be around three hundred yards of offense.
If we're going off of what we've seen, you're gonna
be around three hundred yards of offense, which is pedestrian.
They haven't topped three hundred yards yet. I don't know
how you get enough points unless you get some gifted
to you. Yeah, maybe a Marcus Jones part return.

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
Well, I was just gonna say, where who's got edge
special teams?

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
I would say the Jets based on what the Patriots
have been doing right now, the Jets have not been great.
They you know, Zerolin's missing a lot of field goals.
I think he's like eight for thirteen or something like
that on field goals.

Speaker 5 (01:57:20):
Like to just see execution in the red zone two.
I mean getting there is a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:57:23):
But you know, I totally agree, Like I was exactly
what plus two plus two and turnovers and I was
even saying maybe plus three, but plus two and finishing
with touchdowns. You know, I just I don't think they're
gonna be able to stopped in the end zone, try
to kick field goals that's not.

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
Going to be a formula to win. Do you think
the Jets with Rogers' injury situation, who misspractice time this week?

Speaker 10 (01:57:43):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
It wasn't you know? He was limited? I think on
a couple of days at least this week, are they
going to try and come out. Did they watch the
Jacksonville tape and say, jeez, maybe we should hand the
ball off.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
I would that's a path to victory for the Patriots
if they do that. No, I mean, I think that
keeps the score down and keeps you in the game.

Speaker 5 (01:58:00):
I just don't think you get carried away with it.
But why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you?

Speaker 3 (01:58:04):
To me, that's the very simple recipe for success for
the Jets. Turn the tape on. You have a better
team than Jacksonville. They rent it down their throat. Let's
see if these guys learned anything in the last week
and can stop the run.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
It's less about to me, to Paul's point less about
scoring and just breaking their defense and saying you can't
stop us, We're gonna run on you a bunch. And
now you're all softened up and you're all thinking your
own heads, and now we're just gonna start throwing it in.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
Yeah, the Jags put twenty two points on the board
before they started running the ball. That's what I think
the Jets need to think about. Mike's old throw to
score a run.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
Quick start. Now, Yeah, DeVante Adams probably will not be
happy if they if there's a.

Speaker 5 (01:58:43):
It's almost funny because you pick Jets, you pick like
what what scares you? Does the pass rush scare you?
Probably not. I just feel like the run defense intimidate you.
Probably not, So do what you think.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
And I'm going to be a little hypocritical to contradictory.
I'm going to contradict myself. I said, I need to
see something different before I'm going to believe it's something different.
I'm going to assume that after being called soft, there's
going to be in over the top emphasis of making
sure they are not soft. And I think if the
Jets just want to line up and try to come

(01:59:13):
out on first down with two tight ends and run
Brieese haul between the tackles on first second down, I
think it's going to be third and seven. And I
think that's a that's a recipe to keep you in
the game. If if you're the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:59:26):
It's funny. One last point.

Speaker 4 (01:59:27):
I've been kind of thinking about, here's we wrap up,
but I just remember first preseason game and they came
out like gangbusters on defense.

Speaker 5 (01:59:33):
They remember like why are they being so aggressive?

Speaker 4 (01:59:35):
They're sending blitzers like and granted it was a preseason
game and we were probably reading a little bit too
much in it, but like that was the energy they
came out was undersea right, right, But you know they
came out regardless of like the back of sort, but
like they're like, man, they just look like they got
their hair on fire and they're here to play almost
like too hard for a preseason game. Like that's the
kind of effort I think you're talking about a little bit, Paul,

(01:59:55):
where it's like they just feel like they're gonna leave
it all on the field.

Speaker 5 (01:59:58):
In the first quarter, trying to stop the run and
trying to like not play soft.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
I that's the way I would look at it. If
I were Todd Downing who took over play calling duties
for the Jets, I would come out and go a
nice play action pass on first and ten CEV and
gets seven yard. Doesn't have to be a big play,
you know, just see if you can get in positive situations,
because if you dictate the down and distance, the Patriots
have had a hard time getting off the field.

Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
I'll tell you one one more thing. Get the ball
to the backs in space.

Speaker 4 (02:00:26):
Don't run it, but challenge their linebackers, Patriots linebackers to
do what they haven't been able to do, which is
sift through all the traffic and find the back and
get to them. They got those two guys really good
catching the back, running the ball. Make the Patriots linebacker's
tackle in space. That might be a great way to
kind of split the difference.

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
And if Rogers is hurt and you don't want to
moving around the pocket, get the ball out.

Speaker 3 (02:00:47):
The core description for it, Well, we'll find out. In
about three hours or so, we'll know which way it's going.
That'll do it for the pregame Social fueled by Duncan.
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