Patriots Pregame Show 10/6: Dolphins Preview, Inactives Analysis and Keys to the Game

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is Week five. We're getting excited to kick it off
as the New England Patriots will host the Miami Dolphins
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(01:02):
six degrees. Didn't see many clouds in the sky. I
don't see a lot of wind out there. This is
football weather.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Today, right.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
I was literally in my head saying it's giving fall,
It's giving football.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yes, it is that's what it's all about. Nice little
crisp in the air and don't just a great day.
And like you said, Matt, a big game. I'm really
I'm really kind of excited for this one. I know,
you know, in the years past, we've had big Patriots
games that are AFC Championship, you know, those kind of games.
But for me, this is a really big game for
the new Patriots and you know what direction things are

(01:33):
going to go next week? Why so, because I think
it's kind of a battle against seeing if you still
have that feeling like things are building and you're you're
able to I think the Patriots are gonna need something
new today to win this game. I mean, of course
we'll get into the quarterback of it all for Miami
and that's a big X factor. But the weapons on
Miami's team, we talked about it all week that is
probably gonna be a low scoring game in Miami has

(01:54):
a couple pieces on offense that can quickly score and
quickly change the dynamic of the game and quickly put
the Patriots behind the eight ball and the kind of
game situation that they haven't really been able to climb
out of for you know, a couple of years now,
so it's also just I mean, let's call it, this
is kind of thirty one verse thirty two right now.
You don't want to be the worst team in the league.
You don't want to hear that next week about the

(02:14):
Patriots can't beat a Dolphins team without their quarterback. It's
a divisional game. I always put a ton of stock
into that at at home, a game that you know
you were briefly favored for. I don't think they're favorite anymore.
As of this morning, I saw some reports the line
has gone back to Miami. So just you know, a
really interesting, interesting game, Tamara.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
I feel like this is a gotta have it game.
I mean, the story I feel like since I've been
here is like the Patriots cannot beat Tua, like Tua
has the Patriots number. Okay, two is not playing today,
So with that being said, I think the Patriots have
a good chance. I would have loved if Jabrill Peppers
was playing.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Okay, you didn't have to bring that up.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
I'm sorry, but like, I was feeling pretty good about
this game until that news, because without him, without Dugger,
I'm a little bit worried, but I'm still hoping that
the Patriots can pull this one out.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Tua isn't playing Paul, but tyreek Kill is playing Gileen,
Wattle's playing ob J is playing Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah. They just got to get somebody to get with
the ball.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
Yeah, and they don't have that. I'm gonna take a
whole different tack. I don't look at this game with
the urgency that this is. To me, it's like just
another step on the rebuilding path. I think they with
the Patriots. What I'd like to see today, win, loser,
draw is sort of a return to the way it
looked the first two games as opposed to the last

(03:32):
two games. Let's clean up some of the penalties, Let's
clean up the turnovers and just play, you know, the
style of game that they They look like they wanted
to try to play it at the outside of the season.
The fact of the matter is that most teams the
Patriots play are going to have probably more talent on

(03:53):
their roster on paper. Now games aren't one in paper.
I think they had more talent than Cincinnati opening week,
and the Patriots were able to beat them because they
played sound football. But to me, the you know, the
the crossroads or any of that stuff that to me,
is secondary to get back and play sort of sound football.

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Let's see some sort of progression with the offensive line.
There's going to be, you know, the fifth different combination
that's going to start today because David Andrews is out.
So let's see if you can, you know, mix and
match Scott Peters, what do you got? You know? Can
you can you at least slow down the pass rush.
Now Miami's missing their best pass the two best pass
rushes in Bradley Chubb and Jalen Phillips. Jalen Phillips went

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down last week out for the year again. So no
one wants to hear about your injury problems because everybody
in the NFL is dealing with mass injury problems. So
there's a lot of personnel on both sides of the
ball that that isn't playing. So just play back to
the way that you looked in the first two weeks.
I think that would be a positive step for girod
Mayo in the regime.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
I think I.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Was gonna say I like that, Paul, because I think
that there has been no things sound about this team,
especially the past two weeks, especially with Mirandre Stevenson. I
feel like he was very good that first game, and
then ever since he's kind of trickled down, trickled down.
Now he's not even starting today. So burning the ball effectively,
I think is going to be really important today. Not
turning it over is going to be really important today.

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And it feels like a huge ass considering what we've
seen the last two weeks, and hopefully they can turn
a corner today.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Okay, I think that's a decent job of setting the table, Matt.
So why don't we go to the keys of the game.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
You've waited all week for it.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
The whole teams in the locker room right now just
listening to this, waiting to hear what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Here are the Patriots pregame socials keys to the game.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
Paul, I think normally I have this in my possession,
so it'll be here.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh wow, Paul, I think you looked at the sheet
earlier and you preemptively stole my key to the game,
which is very, very basic, and that's what it is.
It's back to basics. Let's get to a return at fundamentals.
Don't you think that that was an emphasis or a
point of emphasis this week from the coaching, Stafe. Let's
get back to blocking, Let's get back to tackling. Let's
get back to setting a great edge and not doing

(06:06):
things to beat ourselves. Let's if we can do the
fundamental things right. We got a shot here, and I
think that that's what we'd like to see for the
Patriots when they play the Dolphins today. Back to basic football.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
Yeah, I mean, I just feel like we're going to
fixate on the results. And you know, all the coaches
will tell you, we get it. It's a result oriented business.
It's you know, no one necessarily cares about what you
did to get there. But I go back to what
Girodd said in the middle of the week about, you know,
the Cincinnati win was not sustainable playing that way, you know,

(06:37):
scoring sixteen points. Like so, if they win this game today,
but it's another one of those games and sloppy and
you know, yeah, it's great. I mean, I'd rather be
two and three than one and four, and that's the
bottom line. But I would rather see some progress made offensively,
you know, in the passing game and whatnot, and cleaning
some stuff up, like you said, Matt, back to basics,

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you know, just you know, don't shoot yourself in the foot,
don't make it easy for the other team, make them,
make them work for it, and you stay out of
the way in terms of being your own worst enemy.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
I like that, Paul, I think especially because we've always
talked about the team's formula to win being very narrow
and running the ball effectively, playing tough defense, and not
turning the ball over. And we haven't seen those three
things happen since what week one? So to get back
to that, back to the basics, it is huge.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Your turn.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
I'm next. Yes, you know, ladies were supposed to go first.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Wow, but you know I.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Missed the memo and I apologize. I'm usually you know.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
First, Okay, So my key is just keep kicking it,
like just keep swimming, but I switched it. Just keep
kicking it. I don't want the Patriots to get cute
today in the red zone. I don't want them to
go forward on fourth and one unless they absolutely know
that they're gonna get it. I think points are just
so hard for this team to come by. They need
to do what the Titans did with Nick Folk. He

(07:58):
made five field goals, three then we're over fifty yards.
I trust Joey slide to be able to do that.
You have a veteran kicker who is reliable. You saw
that last week with his sixty three yard ers. So
just keep kicking it. If you get down there, kick
the field goal, take the three points.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, in a game where points are going to be
at a premium, I'll take it every single time. Absolutely, Michael.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah, mine is again, you guys, I think we're all
over it. I mean Paul's you know, take away the
big play huge, I mean bottle Hill. That to me
is I was just going to say, you just I
thought you threw it to you just talked about yours,
and then you have Paul comment you just scooped. I
got it.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
I was now no one's even paying attention because they
know I know.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
So mine is take away the big key, the big play.
No No, I went with executing the red zone, and
maybe that should have been get to the red zone
because I think that's been a bigger problem to Tamara's
point with the long field goals that they might have
to kick today. But for me, that's on both sides
of the ball, and I'd like to look everything Paul
said was right, like we know we're building this team

(08:55):
is what it is. They have less talent. But I'm
speaking today from a place as a fan that I
don't want to lose to. The Miami Dolphins. Were with
some scrub from the Ravens practice squad playing quarterback for
the Dolphins. This is a divisional rival. This is a
team that you should beat every year, that you need
to take to the you know, out of the woodshed.
So it's a measuring stick for me and I don't

(09:17):
want to be in a place next week where we're
talking about the Patriots. He can't even beat Miami without
two and now, so getting back to my key, they
got to get to the red zone. They got to
executed in the red zone. I think both sides of
the ball the big play. It has to start with that.
But the next part of that is get to the
red zone. Execute in the red zone, get some touchdowns.
They just haven't had the opportunities. I'd look to Hunter Henry,

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the newly elevated captain. I think he's on the Game
Day magazine today he is. For him to be a
big piece of that pie getting into the red zone,
scoring touchdowns and if Miami, if you make you're able
to make them work their way down the field, stop
them there, make them kickfield goals. I think would be
a good formula.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Before we get to Paul's already scooped the key to
the game. Can I counter with you and that the
other team gets paid two? Who's coming off of a
short at home, disappointing game for them with snoopine Lee
a quarterback. This is a team that had absolute postseason aspirations,
still does have postseason aspirations because they feel they gonna
get to a back. They're angry, they're mad, and I

(10:14):
think they're looking at a wounded Patriots team and saying,
there's no reason why we don't go up there and win.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, well, bubbly, their quarterback is one. But like, you're
totally right, and this is a totally lose I'm not
saying that this is this is a must win because
you just have this is more they can win. Miami
can one hundred percent win this game today, and I
would not be surprised. I think it'll be close anyway.
But I'm just saying from a more big picture kind
of standpoint, if you want to feel next week, like,
all right, they are starting to build some things here.

(10:40):
They're starting to improve. You know, let's see what they
have defensively against this team. Are they able to you know,
get some pressure on him to able to I mean
two backup safeties, I mean Marty Mapu. When was the
last time he played? He's He's probably gonna play a
significant role today. Jalen Hawkins. I like him as a
third safety guy. Those are your two guys on the
back end that are going to have to make sure

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that two of the most explosive weapons in the game
don't don't completely change the complexion with one or two plays.
So my whole thing, my passion today just comes from
a place as a fan. I want to see this
team win, get on the right track, get some positive
energy going again and put this you know, first quarter
of the season.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
In the rearview mayor Well, Mike talked about the safeties
and your key again.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
Was, yeah, the big plays. Anytime I've been talking about
this all week, anytime that the Dolphins offense is on
the field, the two best players in the game are
going to be out there for Miami, and that's Waddle
and Hill. And those are the two best, you know,
most talented players in this game. So in my opinion.
The only way Tyler Huntley is going to beat you
is if he throws, you know, maybe four or five

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long balls and hits one or two of them, and
that's how they score. They're not putting together twelve play
drives on you. Either that or if that that happens,
you have far bigger problems than even I think. But
if you somehow find a way to keep those guys
in front of you, I expect to see a lot
of Jonathan Jones on Tyreek Hill with help over the top,

(12:07):
and Christian Gonzales with with Jalen Wattle. Not going to
be easy, not going to be easy tasks. Those guys
are really good, but they don't have anybody that can
consistently get them the ball. So take away the big
play and you should have that low scoring game that
you should be able to win.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
Than you.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Allow.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
No, No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
I kind of think he does. Like I mean, honestly,
that's to me is the game. I think everything right there.
If you don't let them have I don't think we'll
come in here and talk about a Patriots loss without
big plays for Marvel and Hill. Maybe I'm wrong, but
I just find.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
It hard to see them getting big plays unless the
Patriots are playing selfishly on defense, which you know that
was brought up as a topic of discussion in the
locker room by Devon Godshaw, saying that some people were
making business decisions and trying to make trying to make
plays instead of doing what they were see you in
the defense is what Debron said. That's the only way
I see the Patriots allowing those big plays to happen,

(13:05):
especially because last week Mike McDaniel said that was an
abbreviated offense. And if that was an abbreviated offense for
Snoopuntley and they still weren't able to do anything, how
much more abbreviated and easy can you make it for
him against the Patriots this week so he can get
those guys the ball? Like I don't get how much
more you can dumb it down for him?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
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out prevent the big play so Hawkins and I mean,

(13:42):
it really is amazing to think about as you're looking
at the state of the roster that Mapu and Born
haven't played all year. They literally just got on the
practice field on Wednesday and both are going to play today.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
That's a talent admission to the state of the roster.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Isn't it It is? I mean those are you know,
two positions. I mean I would say, yeah, them banged
up at wide receiver. But Kendrick Bourne's got some good energy.
We'll see how much he's he's got right now. Right
out of the gate. It sounded like when he talked
in the locker room this week that he was still
a little bit limited, and you know it didn't wasn't
quite sure he could do everything just yet. But I
like it. I'd love to get him in there. I think,
you know, I think you have to.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
Well no, but I think when guys start on pup
you have to miss four games and when they're ready
to come, they should if they as long as they're healthy,
they should be back in the game, just like you know, Obj.
I mean, the Dolphins have excellent receivers. But he's eligible
to return today, so he's he's returning. I don't know
what kind of role he'll play Odell Beckham, but I

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feel the it's a little concerning because I don't think
of mob who as necessarily a cover safety. I think
he's most suited to play closer to the line of
scrimmage as a linebacker and whatnot. You might be asking
him to do something today that he's not overly comfortable
with that I didn't like the way it looked last
year in small sample sizes Mike in coverage, you know,

(15:01):
with Mapu.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
I mean, I honestly wonder if if del Pettis might
play the bigger role today, just because Mapoo, I think
we talked about it, Paul went back looked at my notes.
I think he got hurt after like the very first,
very little time, so you know, I mean he didn't
even get the pads.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
So he's practiced three days this week.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
I mean that's kind of it, like he has exactly played,
so he might I wouldn't be surprised if if I
mean I don't. Maybe they would scratch him, but I
don't know if he'll play a lot. But they need him,
so maybe they have to.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
And you, guys, Paul, you're talking about that, you believe
his comfort level lies more in the box. See I
see a scenario today where whoever's playing safety is gonna
be They're gonna be way right.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
Well, that's my point is, I don't think they don't
need him as a box safety today. They need him
probably back with Jalen Hawkins and Del Pettis if if
Mike is right and Pettus ends up playing back there.
I haven't liked the way that's looked, you know, in
the first four weeks of the season. So yeah, that's
that's kind of my point. It's not ideal they had
him playing a big role on the back end.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I see those safeties safeties deep. I think Hundley looks
at the safeties deep and we've got most start back
this week. Let's just hand him the rock and let's
pound most Art right down the Patriot's throat. That seems
to me, with a quarterback who's not that experience, not
exactly dynamic in the passing game, most Art could be
his best friend today.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, and then he had a big, big touchdown run
against them. Here was it last year the year before
last year.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
I think that's an advantage for the Patriots though, because
if they can't get big plays in the passing game,
they can't score. You can run most of all day
you ain't scoring, So that to me would be playing
into the defense's hands. Like I think Matt's right. I
think Matt's I think that the seeing probably what we're
going to see, guys talking about those safety are going

(16:45):
to be back. They're going to dare him to run run. Yeah,
that keeps the score down.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
I'd agree, unless it's a play like that Moster won
last year, which was like a forty yard touchdown run
like that. That kind of stuff was not Yeah, can
help help them, but yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
You know what, but I'm talking about I'll give him
a twenty carries for one hundred and ten yards, sure,
you know. Yeah, if he rips one off for sixty
yards and it's a touchdown, that's a big play. Yeah,
you know, that's like the same as a bomb to
Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
And that gets back a little bit to my key
to the game in the return back to basics, they've
got to tackle. If they're gonna play deep, they're gonna
damn to run. They're gonna let most start run, just tackle.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
I know. I think I think part of this too
is like I'm just I'm over, Like, let's get back
to basics. Let's just let's keep walking that fine line,
Like let's just get back to no fumbles and great
start and we can do it like it's not sustainable.
And at some point you haven't shutow like in the
last two weeks. They haven't done the last three years.
I mean, you know, at some point you have to
start to see a semblance of an offense that can

(17:39):
put the defense on its heels and make some big
plays and punch back and not. You know, I think
if we all know, if we go out there and
a couple of plays go the wrong way and all
of a sudden, it's ten nothing in Miami, confidence level
is going to be very low from the Patriots fans
of their ability to be able to climb back into
that game and make big plays and you know, take
some punches, give some punches. So now, I just I'd
love to see something new today. You look, it's fine

(18:02):
if we're gonna come back in here and they don't
turn the ball over and they get you know, Miami
fumbles their first possession on the twenty and New England
sticks it in and it's seven to nothing, and you know,
things start to roll and you you know when you
come back in here and they won sixteen to ten,
and all right, like you check the box. But do
you feel great about it? Not really, but you'll take
the win and you'll try to go to next week.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
That's why I think it's not just good enough to
just do all that stuff. They have to do something different.
That's why they need to show some progress. At some point.
You've got to stop allowing the other team to pressure
you on half of your dropbacks. That number needs to
drop a little bit. You have to start making some
plays with your wide receivers. That number needs to rise,

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like you can. You can no longer afford to be
thirty second out of thirty two in these various offensive categories.
You have to start making some progress.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Michael, you said you wanted something new. I'm gonna give
you something new, but I don't know if you want it.
You're gonna get a new starting running back today, and
you're gonna get for the fifth straight week. A different
combination as far as the offensive line, as Scott Peters
and alexvn. Pelter looking for healthy bodies first and foremost,
and next the right combination to try to unlock, to

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try to get some continuity, show that these jail breaks
that are that Paul's talking about don't happen.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, I mean, we'll find out it's Vaderian Logan be
able to play. I mean, I think he trending towards
that direction. Is he fully ready to go? But you
know a lot of these guys that you're pinning all
your hopes on, you still leave in at one hundred
percent health. I don't know how confident I would be
that there. But it goes back to what Paul said.
At some point, you have to start putting it together.
And we've heard over and over from the coaches, especially
when asked about the offensive line, that it will improve.

(19:39):
It will improve. We're wrapping it every day. We see
signs of progress. The injuries have complicated that, no question.
I mean, I think we might expect to see more
production and more progress had they not experienced all of
those injuries. But again, like even hearing things this week
of we think Michael and when you probably is going
to be best at right guard.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
I'm like, really, because really interesting nugget and Mike Reese's
notes today. Yeah, you know what, Michael, when you falls
and past block win rate one hundred and sixty out
of one hundred and sixty one. Yeah, So I would
move him into guard too, because I've been saying this
for two years. He's a good guard. He's just a tackle,

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so at least solidify a spot. You know, I think
that if you you know, listen, he might be getting
beat at guard too for all I know. But I
think that I've seen Micael when You play a pretty
good level at right guard. So locked down one of
those spots. You know, there's been a lot made of,
you know, all the different combinations. Really we're talking about

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left tackle because the other four spots were the same
all four games. Right now, this one is going to
be different because David Andrews isn't playing big loss.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Set the line.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
If you put your prognosticating at assuming the today, yeah,
assuming these guys are healthy, how do you see it?

Speaker 6 (20:54):
Like, I'm gonna need some help. I'm gonna go, I'm
gonna go Venderian low yep Low City, So no Mike,
Michael Jordan, maybe Nick Leverett, Michael when Who and Trey.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Jacobs possibly possibly. I mean I think it depends on City.
So if he can, if he can go, he might
maybe be the right guard with when you are right tackle.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
Yeah, I don't that's a big way. I mean, I
know that people don't want to hear jeez. I mean,
I could really listen to a lot of shows that
tell me. I don't know, but I really don't know.
That's basically what it looked like on Friday, the last
look we got I think when when we went out
for practice. So it's not ideal. But prior to this week,

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you had some combination basically of what you wanted from
left to right right. It was Jordan, Andrews, Robinson and
Owen Who and then so who you wanted to play
returned when Jordan left last weekend last week, so you
kind of had what you wanted for four of the
five spots. But it's not getting better. So that's only

(22:03):
part of the issue, you know. The bigger part to
me is they just don't have the personnel.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's not sexy, it's not something to excite fans.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Or anything about.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
But I don't know that as Mike is looking for
something new on offense and a little bit more dynamic here.
Unless they get that settled, the rest isn't happening.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
No, it's all connected. It's hard to pull the threads
out of. You know, where does the past production problem start?
And where does Jacobe Prissett's in decision and ability to
get the ball out as quick as needed, you know start.
So that's what you're trying to figure out right now,
all those different pieces of the pie. But I think
it does start with getting some offensive line stability would
be great. I mean, you might be hoping for something

(22:42):
that never comes though. That's just how the NFL goes.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
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(23:06):
thought it was going to be a pretty good house. Today,
I'm hoping for a loud crowd and that the Patriots
that the crowd maybe brings a little juice to this
place and gets behind the team to help them out,
maybe a little bit over a little hurdle something like that.
That would certainly help to get a little boost from
them today.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
It's been a while since they've had success at home.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yeah, it is, and it's.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
That's a trend that needs to change.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
And it's probably gonna be a fickle crowd, you know
if it doesn't start well, I don't I don't anticipate
that they're gonna, you know, be into it.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
They are offensively, You're going to hear it calls for
Drake May Yep. That's one of those deals that can
it can work the other way on.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
You, which is they need to that that that really
brings into a focus the real need for a hot start,
you know, to get them behind you and make this
place a little bit more difficult for Miami to come in.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's and that again that goes
to the path and you know, there's part of me
that would like to see them fall behind it and
claw back in and you know, win, win the crowd
back and you know, those kind of things. It's it
might be hoping for too much today and maybe I'm
putting too much on this team right now, and then
they're not ready to take that, you know, just half
step forward. But it's just a lot every week having

(24:16):
to say and I'm just getting tired of it that
we can't fumble. We need a good start, we need
to finish well, we need to play well around halftime.
We have to have good possessions and not give them
extra points through you know, shoddy calls and stopping the
clock and all that kind of stuff. It's just there's
so many boxes to check every week. It's just it's
exhausting that well, there it is, and as soon as
one pops their head up, I'm sure I'm with the

(24:37):
fans where it feels like it's gonna be hard for
them to overcome this. They've got two turnovers in the
first half.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
That kind of thing. Well, here's a fan that's trying
to bring a little sunshine into the equation here and
it's a nice sunny day here at your Ledge Stadium.
Good morning, all. Is it possible that the past two
weeks have looked bad because we've gone against two of
the better teams in the NFL. The Jets and the
Niners were not perfect, but their rosters are arguably in
the top five of the NFL regarding talent. I think
we overreacted after Week one, But now are we also

(25:01):
reacting after the last two weeks? What do you think?
Says Kyle from Danvers.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I mean, personally, I put more weight in the games
as teams start to figure out what you're doing and
they build on it, you know, to the whole hang
your hat on the first week when you got a
dejected Bengals squad that didn't really seem ready to go
out of the gate, you know, whereas now where the
Jets they know you really well, they see what you're
starting to do. You really didn't have any answers for them.
Then you didn't really have any answers for San Francisco either.
So that goes back to what I've been saying. I

(25:29):
think they need to show a different gear today. They
need to change it up and you know, show that
they can evolve as a team rather than it seems
like right now teams have a beat on what they're
doing and are exploiting it, and they're gonna have to
do it without their real personnel Peppers and Duggart.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's a huge, huge losses to marry you were going
out with Pine.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
I from from that, from that Jets game one, I
don't think the Jets are good like I from looking
at what we're looking at right now, I don't think
that they're very good. I think, to doce his point,
I think that, but the teams know the Patriots, and
I also think that the Patriots try to get cute
against both of those teams and do things that they
weren't really strong at. I think they went away from
their basics. They went away from what went well for

(26:10):
them in week one and week two because they were
trying to pass the ball more. Whether that be because
the wide receivers were pouting, or you know, they wanted
to get the passing game going. I just don't think
that they should do that right off the bat. I
think they should get the running game going first, then
try to get the passing game going, because that's their
bread and butter. They've gotten away from that since Week
one and week two, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Paul Head coach Gerrod Mayo said on Patriots All Access
that Ramandre Stevenson would not start, but he would play
in the game. If you're looking for something different and
that's Antonio Gibson, what do you see as different that
he can do? Do you see more of that wide
zone stretch run yep plays into his favor maybe that
they try to lean on.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
Yeah, I do. I think he gives you a little
bit more explosive. Is he's not as good a running
back as Rimondre Stevenson, So don't I do an't want
people to think I'm trying to like put down Stevenson
because he's right now he's struggling with the the ball security.
But I do think he's a different kind of runner
Gibson is, and he's been very productive on a per
touch basis so far in the four games he's you know,

(27:10):
he's really maximized his opportunities. So I think he's earned
more more touches. But I also, and I don't want
to it's going to sound bad, but he's got fumbling
issues in his career, and he's one of those guys
that the more he sort of gets used, the more
opportunities that that he's had to slip up. So I

(27:32):
wonder if he's one of those utility guys. Matt, you're
an old baseball guy like me. You know, he's I
call him the Jeff Fry guys.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
And fifty packs.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
The more the more they play, you know, the less
effective they can be. So I'm a little concerned about that.
But I think Mayo has made absolutely the right call
in making a change, because at some point you have
to do something different. And and I think when you
have four games in a row of losing the ball,
you got to you gotta send a mess.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
When Mayo himself preaches ball security as job security, how
can you look at the team without doing this? I
mean that, And that's what I think Gerrod Mayo was
doing in this case. Yeah, what's the ideal touches for Gibson? Then, Paul,
If you to make the Jeff Fry conn.

Speaker 6 (28:15):
Well, I mean, I'm just for today, it would be
like twenty. I mean, that's what Stee He's gonna he
should take the Stevenson roll to me, which is twenty touches.
But I wouldn't want I wouldn't want to do that
to him every week, got it?

Speaker 5 (28:25):
No? I would also, Matt, I would like to see
Hasty a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I know, we did see him change of pace more
like the idea.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yeah, he's shifty, he's small. I think he runs differently
than both of them as well, So maybe increasing his
his playing time more I think I wouldn't be opposed
to it.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Is it a committee approach maybe that they take today.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Well, that's what I was gonna say. I wonder if you
know an opportunity exists for Romandre where Gibson and maybe
Hasty kind of get things started and maybe in the
second half they have a little bit of a lead
and they're looking to run the game out and now
pound it's a little scary to put the ball in
Ormondre's hands when you have maybe a one score lead
and you're looking at a guy with fumble issues. But
could be an opport unity for him some big runs,
some big first downs like we saw at the end
of that Cincinnati game. He was huge.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Key.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Okay, this, uh, this is right up my alley, because
I think it's a Paul's alley. Don't sleep on Snoop.
He is not a scrub Mike. I think he's a
less accurate, more athletic Tyrod Taylor. I realized that's not great. Yeah,
don't it makes some plays. It looks better than you think.
Thanks Travis from West Virginia.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, all right, No, I mean I was. I was
in a rant, so maybe I was a little harder.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
I'm not a big but I mean, you know, I'm
not a big Tyler Huntley fan. He's three and seven
as a starter, and most of those starts were with
an absolutely loaded team that he couldn't win with. So well,
I'm not a believer.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Let's get the inside scoop on snoop as we go
behind enemy lines.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
You know the view from New England, but what about
the view from the other side?

Speaker 6 (29:51):
And that's why you're a favorite pregame show guest. Yeah,
every year, and.

Speaker 8 (29:55):
Know you tell everybody that I was on with you.

Speaker 9 (29:58):
Guys are twenty eighteen Thursday Football.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
Yeah, and I will fold out with the favorite game
of the show. No time now to go behind enemy line.

Speaker 10 (30:06):
My god, it's got.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
A right one.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
And we are pleased to be joined by Travis Winkfield
from Miami Dolphins dot Com. Good morning, Travis, and give
us an update on what the mood of the Miami
Dolphins is as they entered Julett Stadium today. Big AFC
East battle.

Speaker 11 (30:24):
Yeah, I think you guys kind of teased it off
the top. They're talking about the snoop scoop. That's kind
of where it all comes back to, because this Dolphins
operation for the last three years has been very, very
good with Tua tonguea Biloa in the lineup and without him,
we're talking XFL level performances. So if he can, you know,
I think last week there was some some meat on

(30:45):
the bone, if you will, in that Monday night game,
and I think he looked like a quarterback that was,
you know, in a new offense for the first time
for you know, he having been there for a couple
of weeks only. And so I think that the mood is,
or at least the temperament that I picked up was
we think we can be better now that he has
a game worth of tape in his in his experience
with the Dolphins here and hopefully hit some of those

(31:06):
near misses they had in the game on Monday.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
What are you sense, Travis, the confidence level is with
like Tyreek and with Waddle, you know, going back into
another game, you said, there's maybe a reason for optimism
here after getting the game under his belt, getting a
full week of practice and maybe settling in a little bit.

Speaker 11 (31:21):
Yeah, I haven't seen those guys as frustrated as they
were together as they were really in that Monday game.
That's probably stems off of the Seahawks game as well,
which you know, I used to come on these shows
with you guys last year and I was I was
pretty I was pretty cocky. This offense was fun to watch, Yeah,
and I would tell you guys, you know, thirty points
is kind of the floor for this offense, and it
kind of was for the most part. But times have

(31:41):
certainly changed, and I think that it's hitting everybody differently,
and those two star receivers especially who you know. I
think about this for athletes all the time, like these
guys have such a small shelf life of you know,
NFL experience, and they're only going to have you know, ten,
maybe fifteen years for the best guys that can say
stay around that long. They don't want to go through
a season where they have less than a thousand yards
couple of touchdowns. I think they're feeling it. They're feeling

(32:02):
the heat of their normal production not being what it is,
which is kind of what makes them who they are,
right so, I think that there is frustration there and
if it continues today going into the bye week, I
think it could be a real problem. So balling forward
if they don't, because they're not going to have an
answer quarterback until at least the Cardinals game in Week eight.
So I think it's important for them to get on
track here very soon.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
And Travis, I was wondering about the running game because
that was something that the Patriots had trouble stopping, I
feel like in previous years, not just the dynamic duo
of Wattle in Hill, but also Raheem Moster, who obviously
you know he's been battling some issues. But even in
that Monday night game, the Miami Dolphins running game wasn't great.

Speaker 12 (32:36):
You know.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
I was thinking, maybe they can get the running game
going and then their passing game could get going, but
that seems to be struggling too.

Speaker 11 (32:42):
Yeah, it's a great point because you would think that
going back to, you know, the backup quarterback situation, that's
when everybody else has to be better and what better
way to support your quarterback and to have a strong
running game, Excuse me, and Dolphins just haven't had that
all year. Really going back to win two was in
the last two. I mean, they ran the ball well
in the first half of the Buffalo game. But I
go back to something that Mike McDaniel said earlier this
week in a press conference where you know, he's he's

(33:03):
kind of been on this. I don't want to say crusade,
but I've just heard it so many times in press
conferences where he talks about this offense being one that
creates overplay. That's why they want to run those wide
zone stretch runs that get the defense, you know, horizontally
stretched out and then take advantage of the overplay of
those linebackers trying to get to that second level on
the perimeter. And McDaniel said this week he hasn't done

(33:23):
a good enough job as a play caller of taking
advantage of that overplay. And when you watch the tape,
there is so much room on inside runs. And the
Dolphins have been successful which the tackles this year, whether
it's been Devon Hm, whether it's Ben Jalen Wright or
even Jeff Wilson here and there, and they just cannot
get the ball off the edge.

Speaker 9 (33:40):
And to me, that's the.

Speaker 11 (33:41):
Symptom of teams knowing what this offense wants to be
running the ball off the edge, and they've had a
success inside, but they go away from it and they
haven't been consistent going back to it over and over again.
Make teams prove they can stop it before you go
away from it. I mean, just haven't done that all
year long.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
Travis, you talked a little bit about the frustration level
that's starting. How do you feel is this kind of
maybe like a sort of a last roundup and you know,
this is a game that they feel like they need
to have and then head into the bay. Do you
think they're still mentally in it overall, especially those those
two dynamic wideouts.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (34:13):
I think it's for the player's perspective. I think they
do a good I was trying to of staying in it,
you know, for the most part, because we've seen this before.
It Football seasons are so long and so much can change,
and teams can be one thing for the first month
and then pivot who they are. Obviously from Miami, it's
different because you haven't had that proven success without Tua
in the lineup. But I do think this is almost
like a drop dead situation here because one in four

(34:35):
going into the buy you know, if you don't win
this one, you go into the Colt after the bye week,
and that's not a bad team either, I don't think.
And if you can't beat them one in five when
two is eligible to come off the ir what's the
real incentive there to bring him back and you know,
risk further damage or further injury or even maybe even
mess up your drafted for next year. I don't know.
It's a very tough spot for Dolphins fans right now.

(34:56):
One they haven't been in for a long time, and
it's not a welcome feeling it all in terms of
like do they want to go forward and press off
for a playoff spot or is it time to kind
of the reset the decks here and go backwards. So
I think that this one, if you don't get this one,
it kind of opens up that other possibility of are
we trade deadline sellers compared to if they get this one,
maybe they can regroup it the buye a week and

(35:18):
try to squeak out And I want to get to
the Colts next week and then you get to a
back It could change the landscape for sure.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
I want to ask you just about Jalen Phillips going on,
I are another knee injury for him. How do you
see the Dolphins attacking the Patriots edges and do you
see Chop Robinson playing a role.

Speaker 11 (35:33):
Yeah, a brutal injury. First off, just because Jalen Phillips
is mister Miami in terms of his impact in the
community down here and one of the best people I've
ever met in my life. He's an absolute gem and
a guy's well wide beyond his years. So it really
sucks to see him go down for the second straight year.
But as far as replacing him on the field, Emmanuel
Ogbah has been a guy that they brought in big
training camp and without him they wouldn't have survived, just

(35:55):
just the rep count off the edge with Phillips coming
back off the Achilles last year, and your point, Chopp
has has struggled so far, especially in rundown situations where
O're trying to get him out there to kind of
develop his full game opposed to being what maybe could
have been, you know, with Phillips out there, with Shaq
Barrett who retired before the year started, and with Bradley
Chubb you know on the men coming back here soon,

(36:15):
maybe he plays more of a you know, kind of
like an Alden Smith type of role for the Niners
back in the day when he was a rookie there
with that great pass rush where he just came in
on the third downs and got for the quarterback. But
he's been asked to get out there on rundowns and
he left guys into his chest. He kind of gets
washed off the line a lot. So if the Patriots
want to run the ball, forty fourths had a real
rough time stopping.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
It so far this year, Travis, you paint an interesting
picture of a Miami team that might be desperate as
he come here to Foxbrough. Give us a pick, please,
sir man.

Speaker 11 (36:45):
This was more fun to do last year. I'll tell
you that.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
Well, you had Hardy Collen. You're Travis Wingfield the third
last year if you call too.

Speaker 11 (36:52):
Yeah, La Cross, Yes, Crankraft. That was good stuff, you know,
I said up my podcast, like I after going through
so many years of bad offense and watching bad office
across the league, it's kind of been, you know, percolating
through for like half the league. Now it's building the
last couple of years. You guys know this all too well. Sadly,
it was so nice not be part of that group.

(37:13):
But now I feel like the Dolphins are right back
in that group. And when I see a team like that,
I can't forecast more than like a thirteen to nine games.
So that's why I said in the podcast was Patriots
thirteen Dolphins nine. I'm not taking the Dolphins to score
point until like something they can do it without tuas.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
Yeah. Wow, makes a lot of sense, very very smart
pick right there, and you might hear that later in
the show if anybody's he didn't score it all.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Travis, thank you very much for your expertise. Appreciate to
call and enjoy the game today. Thank you so much, sir, anytime.

Speaker 11 (37:43):
Thank you FOS.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Thanks Travis. That's funny, like it's not like I picked great,
great minds, right.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
And it's not like it's twenty four to twenty one,
now thirteen to nine, and like that's exactly my pick. Matt,
by the way, and by.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
The way, he sounded like Deuce Junior there talking about desperation.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
I want to jump on it. I want to jump
on it because he's talking about, you know, they lose
this game. They might be talking about sellers at the
sellers at the market. So you just have an opportunity
to send another divisional franchise into a little bit more
of a tailspin. And I just think you have to
take advantage of those opportunities. And you know, at the
end of the year, we might look back and you know,
maybe the Patriots do win thirteen to nine and it's really,

(38:18):
you know, nothing all that special, but it still matters
to beat confidence or division opponents at home. It's just
I think that that is the first road to get into.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
The playoffs without question. Okay, there are a few certainties
in life, death taxes, and Pat from Agawam is the
first caller for the Patriots pregame show fueled by Duncan.
Pat Thanks to your patients and waiting for us.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Good morning, sir, not a problem, go good more than
everyone morning, Patty.

Speaker 13 (38:45):
I think another key to this game is going to
be getting pressure on new pump lely because he can.
I mean, he may be trash, you know, he may stuck,
but if he give him enough time in the pocket
and just let him keep the darts down the field
and eventually he's gonna find Wattle or Tyreek Hill, And

(39:05):
to me, that's that's a no go. He can't let
that happen. You gotta get pressure on this guy, and
that's my big key. Unfortunately, I'm picking the Patriots to
lose ten to nine today. I hope I'm wrong, but
uh yeah, it's gonna be I like everyone says, I
think it's gonna be a rock fight. It's gonna be
a hard game to watch, and ultimately, I hope I'm wrong,

(39:28):
and that's all I got.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Guys, hope you are too pat because that would cause
a lot of Patriot fans to hit the sauce. Maybe,
speaking of the sauce easy to drink, easier to enjoy,
bud Light, the official beer sponsor for the doing with Patriots
ten nine would not be fun for Patriot fans today.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
I'm fred ask a.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Little harsh maybe on like, I'm not trying to tell
you that Snoop Hunley is Joe Montana, but I mean
he is a Pro Bowl quarterback.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Mike Yeah, I mean, I don't know if he made.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
The Pro Bowl.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
One year he didn't make the Pro Bowl. He was
he was sent to the Pro Bowl and Jones, like fashion,
there's a difference.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
To the Bowl.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
He's a terrible He's been terrible, well, listen, I I'm
going to say this. I'm going to say this upfront.
I was very dismissive of Geno Smith heading into week two.
Gino Smith is Aaron Rodgers by comparison to Tyler Hunting. Okay,

(40:26):
maybe Tyler Hunting will do the same thing to me
and make me look bad. I wouldn't necessarily be looking
to get a lot of pressure on him. I would
see what he can do from the pocket, and I
would try to contain him. And that's been an issue
for three straight for three straight weeks. I would not
want him to be running around because I think he
can hurt you with his legs a little bit, but

(40:46):
let's see, let's see him pick you apart from the pocket.
I don't think he can do it. And I think
he's going to throw a couple up, and you've got
to make sure that you don't let many of those
guys behind you. And you can't give especially Tyree Kill
that much space period because it doesn't need to be
a bomb correct for him to take it.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
You could take a hitch and go the whole way.
Do you think maybe I was thinking of this and
I definitely see the pushback on know on this, But
do you think there's any chance we see Jonathan Jones
it's some safety today and instead of putting them up
at the line where with Hill where he could lose early.
You trust Jonathan Jones. You know he knows what defense
is to get guys in. He's a communicator. I think
that could be something, you know, not not the whole game,

(41:26):
but at time we've seen him play some safety. I
just think that might be better use of him. Keep
if you know, we talk about putting a safety over
the top, gives him a little bit of an easier matchup.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Again, I think that's a really good point. I thought
about it earlier today. I think when DeMarcus Covington and
Geri Mayo talk about being multiple and things like that,
like especially for a guy who with less experience and Huntley,
mix things up, give him something different to look at,
move people around and things like that.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, I'd see just too. I'm one hundred percent with
Paul on the keep him in the pocket, same kind
of thing. Make him beat you through from from from
the pocket.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
I don't want I think that the chances of the
their athletes are better than your athletes. So if you
get him out of the pocket because you pressured him
and he escapes fired. Now now it's their athletes against
yours in space.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
YEP.

Speaker 6 (42:08):
I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
So we've talked about Ramondre Stevenson being told that you know,
they're not going to put up with fumbling. Do you
think anything happens on the defensive end where they have
repeatedly been asking uh people on the edge to set
the edge? And might we see you know, a guy
like Keon White being be put in different spots because
that edge hasn't.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Been set well. I think with key On White, it's
it's a learning process with him. I think he's a
little bit of a bull in the china shop when
you put him on the edge and there's a little
bit more responsibility. Whereas I think he's been outstanding on
the inside. I mean I've seen I've seen enough now
with guards inside. I've seen enough guards be like, oh crap,
this guy's a lot to handle. And I love that
from Keon White. The more they can get him in

(42:47):
that role, I just think it's when like Paul talked
about the mush rush and being able to maintain that
pocket integrity without opening up a seam for that quarterback
to squirt out. Of those are the things I think
you got to see from kem White. I would say too,
Shanet Mathis was promoted from the practice squad, So another
edge guy maybe in the mix as a third down
pass rusher. Perhaps.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Let's say, here's a sarcastic email for you, Michael. It's
Al from Italy. Dear Mike, I know the new thing
that Patriots need to win. It's called talent. They should
try it sometimes.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Well yeah, I mean, but it is what it is
right now, So I mean I get the bigger point
of you know, but talent doesn't always win these games.
And that's why I think it's you know, a little
bit of an interesting reflection today where you have two
of the most elite weapons in the game on offense
for Miami, and you've heard Paul say many times they
got they don't have the quarterback who can get it
to them. So sometimes these NFL teams are playing whack
a mole. And I understand the point you need talent,

(43:40):
but I also want to see a team effort, and
of course it starts with not beating yourself and those
kind of things. But I think you could find a
Patriots team maybe today that has a little juice that
wants to prove some people wrong and wants to come
out and play with a little bit of chip on
their shoulder, and maybe they can. Maybe I think they're
better than what they've shown. I think Kendrick Bourne, I
don't know how ready years to go, but I think

(44:00):
he's going to provide a nice little boost today.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Who has the biggest chip on their shoulder and underperforming
Miami Dolphin team that expects to be in the postseason
or an underperforming New England Patriots team, both one in
three teams who really needs to try to get back
to basics and do something to get this fan base
behind them. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
I mean, I think like if you have Super Bowl
aspirations and things are going like they're going for the
Miami Dolphins right now, I think it's a little bit
more of a of a mental beatdown because you had
such lofty expectations and you're not playing up to that level.
Whereas you know, the Patriots, certainly no one expected them
to be Super Bowl contenders this year. But I just
kind of look at it in the concept of today

(44:39):
today's game, where both these teams are at the schedule
comes out, we all talk about what each team's what
each game is going to mean. And you know, you
couldn't have drawn this up in the offseason. You couldn't
have drawn up the Dolphins are gonna be well to
the Patriots are gonna have these injuries xyz. So there's
plenty of questions, and I think you're right, like Miami
is a little bit more probably disappointed right now, but

(45:00):
that's no reason why the Patriots can't rise up and
make them even more disappointed and send them into you
want to send them into an organizational tailspit. I mean,
I don't know if that today is possibly going to
do that in week five of the you know, of
the season. There's a long, long, long way to go.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Interesting that Travis hinted it that though, but that's what.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
He said out and that's you know, like Miami, the Jets, Buffalo,
those are the three teams. You have to beat those
teams to make the playoffs. That's where it all starts,
and anytime you have a chance. I mean, the Jets
they're looking a little shaky right now. They're down seventeen
to seven. We know Aaron Rodgers isn't going to play forever.
So you know, is there a world where Aaron Rodgers
is gonna retire not too long? Miami might be blowing
things up if you can help them along that process.

(45:37):
And then maybe it's the Patriots and Buffalo down the road.
But you don't know. But any chance you have to
kind of kick a divisional opponent down, I think you
got to take advantage of it.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
We've gone forty five minutes, Mike and surprisingly have yet
to touch on the quarterback issues. So Micro from South
Dakota helps us along in that regard who says I
saw a report from NBC Sports Boshton on Extra sponding
that Drake May is quote close to becoming the starter
end quote. I'm not sure how much stuck you put
into the claim, but if it's true, and if Jacoby
plays bad to start this game today, do you think
there's a chance that Jacoby gets benched and May gets

(46:08):
his first real NFL action?

Speaker 4 (46:10):
I'm not so quite sure today injuries, of course, or
another matter. And I think you saw plenty of stats
today about Jacoby Brissette and he's taken for sacks, and
you know he's on a historical rate of getting hit
and getting sacked, and that's just not sustainable. I mean,
even if he's able to avoid major injury, he is
still going to continue to get banged up. I think

(46:30):
everybody has seen him over the last few weeks multiple
times where he's gotten hit and you're like, oh uh oh,
this this one might be bad. Like he's wins and
he's looking and he gets up and that's you know,
everyone is giving him well deserved praise for his toughness
and being able to take those hits. I don't know
about the reports. I mean, it's just it seems sometimes
you're just getting these little you know, these little they're
throwing you little bones here and there, like, well, no,

(46:53):
this week was really great behind the scenes, trust us.
I want to believe it. I want to believe it.
I mean, we saw Drake May all summer. I think
he's got a ton of talent. There's no reason why
a twenty one year old kid with limited starts in
college can't really start to make dramatic improvements as a
professional athlete. So I'm hopeful, and I you know, and
I think I would just say to the fans, like,
for those who didn't, you know, get to see as

(47:14):
much as we got to see during training camp. It's
it's fun. It's fun to watch this kid. He's not
afraid to put the ball downfield, and certainly the pressure
and all those things are issues to be concerned about
for a young quarterback and getting his head pummeled in
you don't want to do that. But I think he's
got some ability that will help him not only escape
some of that those problems, but also help the team
do things they need to do.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
I think they're getting close. I don't think there's any
question about that. I don't think this week is the week,
but we can't predict what's going to happen during the game.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
The center issues that the center thing is a big
to me. I mean, if David Andrews was in there,
I think I'd be a little bit more like whenever
it has to happen, it has to happen. I would
I wouldn't be opposed to getting through this week and
seeing how things are. And I mean I say this
as somebody. When I, you know, went back and watched
the game again this week, it was, you know, I
just I feel like Jacoby isn't doing all that he
can do, and there's guys there and there's more that

(48:03):
this offense can do despite some of the pressure issues
and some of the other issues that have haunted them.
So I want to see Jacoby start to take advantage
of some of those plays, because if it's just going
to be kind of nothing like no bad plays, no
good plays, Drake's gonna be in there sooner than later.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
And I think this is a big week for Jacoby
because of that. Ian writes in at what point is
demoting Mandre just simply not worth it? You want to
send a message, but it's also clear he's the better back.
At what point is this an effort to impose some
consequences certain mistakes it only yields diminishing returns and just
ultimately cost you a game you absolutely must win.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Yeah, I think there's a line. I mean, it's about
accountability though, and we've said it all this week. You
can't go around saying ball security is job security unless
you're too valuable and then you know whatever. I don't
think it has to be a dramatic he's inactive for
the game, anything like that, but I do think that
let him get a little bit of a delayed start
and bringing him in the second third quarter, those kind
of things. I think there's definitely gonna be a role

(48:59):
for Remondre today. I think, you know, the punishment almost
feels a little cursory. It's I mean, the real punishment
is you're out, but you can't do that. I think
he'll play a role today.

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Speaker 10 (49:23):
What I've got for you?

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Are the inactives for the New England Patriots. Notably kJ
Osborne and Jay bon Breaker are out, which means you
can expect probably that that Kendrick Bourne is going to
be playing a lot today.

Speaker 10 (49:35):
The excitement that he brings to this team.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
AVP talked about it all week, he said, having them
they hopped out there on the field.

Speaker 10 (49:42):
You can feel his energy in the huddles, you can feel.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
His energy on the field and when talking to Kendrick
Bourne in the locker room. He said he is confident
he can bring some help to this team, who, as
we know, really needs a bolt of energy to add
to this Patriots offense.

Speaker 14 (49:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Happy to see that Anthony Jennings might, like Tamara, is
not on that list. I hate to say that, you know,
you know, we're putting all of our stock in Anthony
Jennings to set the edge, but I think he was
sorely missed last week in San Francisco, and I look
at that as a really good sign Tamara that he's
up this week.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Yeah, it's definitely a really good sign for this Patriots defense,
who was already without Kyle Dugger and Jabrill Peppers. They
can't afford to have any more people out, especially up front,
because if that front seven can get pressure on the
quarterback today, that.

Speaker 10 (50:26):
Could lead to some takeaways for the secondary.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
I think DeMarcus Covington said this over and over again
throughout the week. It's a marriage the front seven and
the secondary. It's a marriage together, and if that front
seven can get going, then the secondary can also have
some success too.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I don't know how much of a surprise this is
as you look at the inactives list, somebody's got to
be the odd man out if Kendrick Bourne is back in.
But I guess maybe I'm a little surprised that it's
a healthy scratch in kJ Osbourne.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Not healthy, not healthy. He was. Yeah, he was on
the injury this week. Yeah, yeah, he was. I didn't
think he'd actually practiced. He was out there for practices,
but he wasn't uh participating at all according to the reports. Yep,
uh tomorrow, Just curious. You know what.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
One thing I do want to point out too, Oh,
go ahead, Mike, ahead, Mike. One thing I do want
to point out too is it's a good to see
that but Darien Lowe.

Speaker 10 (51:12):
Is not on this list.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
I know. This Patriots offensive line is really banged up,
so if they could have someone to rotate in and
out with Trade Jacobs, that would be great, just so
that he doesn't have to rely on him.

Speaker 10 (51:22):
I know.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
Last week, you know, AVP said that that he wore
the sombrero, and I brought my own simpara out here.
Today he said that Trey Jacobs wore the sombrero last week.
He had a big responsibility going up against Nick Bosa
this week. I think the sombrero wearer of this offensive
line is going to be Nick Leverett. Replacing David Andrews
at center is a huge responsibility, not just from his experience,

(51:44):
but also his leadership and his ability with communication, his
chemistry with Jacoby Brissette as well. It's gonna be a
big shoes to fill. So if I had to pick
in a sombrero war this week, it's gonna be center.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
Nick Leverret.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I think I heard some cheers when the sobre.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
Yah.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah, I know you got to leave it on
to marek y. I I gotta ask you one more
question though, in through Fred Kirsk fashion, what is the
mood like out there here? As I'm assuming guys are
going through T shirt warmups right now.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
The mood seems to pre the Patriots fans are really
happy that they are back at home. I'm seeing lots
of fans lined up ready to receive autographs. And on
the field, Kendrick Bourne, like I mentioned earlier, that energy
that AVP talked about that he brought to the practice field,
I'm seeing it during T shirt warmups right now. I'm
seeing him, I'm seeing Polk, I'm seeing Taekwon Thornton all

(52:32):
dancing around, excited to be warming up.

Speaker 10 (52:34):
Out here together today.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
So I'm feeling a bolt of energy, not just from
the stands but on the field as well.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Very good, good job and the enactors. Tamara, thank you
very much. I just wanted to clarify one thing when
I talked about Osborne. I know he's on the injury report.
My guess is if this was, if he was a
real contributing part of the rotation, that I think they
would have found a place for kJ Osbourne. And I think,
you know, with Bourne coming back, there's it's a numbers
game that you gotta get rid of. And he's been
a disappointed and I think so far through four games,

(53:01):
yeah he has.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
I mean it's you know, a few plays, you know,
for a few moments throughout the summer, I would say,
but he's, you know, like a lot of the receivers,
I feel like trouble just stacking days and stacking consistency
and kind of earning that trust. You saw Jalen Polk
last week with seven targets. I mean, those things talk
to me. They speak to me that they're seeing things
they want to try to get. Jayleen poke the ball.
I think he's a real good player, you know. And

(53:23):
I when I look at Bourne and Polk and Douglas,
that trio, that's a really good trio, I think, And
that's something I think to build around going forward in
the future. We can talk about, you know, getting maybe
that big piece on the outside, but to me, a
player like Jalen Polk who can just got a quick
shiftingness to him. He's not long speed. He's you know,
it's not like the speed jumps off the play at
the page. And I know a lot of people you
want to see that, but I think he is. You're

(53:46):
starting to see the right chemistry. And if Kendrick Bourne
is able to come back with his explosive kind of
run after catch ability, I mean, he was on pace
for a career year last year. Hard to expect him
to pick right back up where that pace was. Last point,
I would just say, is Jaymon Baker who Alex Van
Pelt said this week, and we're just looking for him
to get consistent and understand where to line up. And
so it sounds like Jaymon Baker is, you know, having

(54:08):
some little struggles getting fully assimilated, but he's got all
the physical talent in the world. So something to watch
with him going forward if he's able to develop.

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and we go to Floyd in Michigan, who's been waiting patiently.
Good morning, Floyd, Good morning, sir.

Speaker 8 (59:15):
I have a question, and the question is who do
you have confidence? Then I'm going to name five individuals
from the Patriot Organization, Robert Kraft, Jeron mal Elliott woolf
Alevan Pell DeMarcus coming in again. The question is who

(59:35):
you have confidence? You can take as many as you want.
You don't have to pick anybody at all. Thank you
for taking Michael.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Do you have confidence in the person who signed your check?

Speaker 6 (59:45):
I do?

Speaker 4 (59:46):
I do.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I do because of demonstrated ability, right, thirty years of ownership,
I mean, so let's cross that one off the list.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not ready to start handing out
votes and no confidence after four games, of course, not silly,
you know, especially, and thank you for the call, Floyd,
with the with the ownership of the team, who you know,
I think has built this up into one of the
model franchises. So look, it's been bumpy early on for
the team, and I think we all probably expected it
to be a little bit bumpy for a new team

(01:00:15):
looking to turnover every the whole operation essentially from what
had been here for over twenty years. So look, I
that's why I have a lot invested in this game.
I understand people are, you know, get fired up wins losses.
They want to see it go go the right way,
and I think today it's just a good chance to
you know, look, it's not going to redefine the season
when they win Week five and beat Miami without Tua.

(01:00:36):
But at the same time, we know what the conversations
are going to be like if they win next week
or if they lose. And I'd much rather much rather
have those conversations about losing going on down in Miami
than here in New England, where all right, we you know,
lost a couple of games, we found a way to
write the ship and we managed to get a win
against a divisional opponent.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Ditto Todd from North Carolina. You're next to the Patriots.
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Speaker 18 (01:00:58):
There's been lots of talk about why we've been holding back,
but I think that we've got lots of examples of
why things go wrong with Tuah, Bryce Young, Andrew Luck,
even mac So I'm kind of glad that they're holding
back on him and they're not putting him out there
right away. I think that's the right thing to do.
So I want to hear what you guys think and
take it up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Thanks guys, it's an unpopular fan opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Uh, I think he got hurt one year eight? What
went wrong with TUA? That can cussed in year six? Right? Five?

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Whatever?

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
There's no way to do it, there's no there's no
step path or anything. So you just you have to
follow how it unfolds for your specific team.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
I want, I want to challenge someone to a fight.
I want someone to give you an example of a
career ending injury that took place when a guy was
a rookie, like Joe Burrow. Tearing his ACL did not
derail Joe Burrow's career. Like this whole fear of injury
kind of drives me crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Yeah, Like guys can hurt in some ways.

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Guys get hurt every year.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Quarterbacks. Last year, I believe they.

Speaker 6 (01:02:04):
Set a record for the most amount of starting quarterbacks
that took that played in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Were they all rookies?

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Was it all Anthony Richardson? Like if he can, If
Anthony Richardson's good, the fact that he hurt his shoulder
in his career start is not going to be the
You know, no one's going to remember that they played
him too soon. Look what happened. He hurt his shoulder
an aw in week four. Like, if he can't play,

(01:02:31):
he can't play, which, to Matt's point, the questions there
might be some questions about how good he is, right,
just don't put me in the camp. If you don't
think that Drake May is ready to play, don't play him.
But the fear of injury is not even on my radar.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
I think that it's the irony to me of the
whole Joe Burrow thing was that his injury enabled them
to get him the number one weapon that they needed
to get Jamar Chase. So sometimes it works out well.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
They would have got that anyway. I mean, they would
have gotten they had like one win twelve weeks into
the season or something like that, when.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
You got hurt. That that was Joe Burrow in the
second year.

Speaker 6 (01:03:05):
Yeah, oh, his first year. That was his rookie ye.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
They were terrible.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
I think I think they might have won three games
his rookie year, something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
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mister Morrell. How Kendle are you there, sir? Yes, sir, Hey,
good morning Kendall. How are you sir?

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
All right?

Speaker 21 (01:03:42):
All right, I'm sitting here walking the Dents and Vikings
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Speaker 22 (01:03:46):
I want to know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
I'm sorry, what.

Speaker 21 (01:03:48):
Y'all think, y'all? What's I think the depth chart is
going to be today? For the wide receiver?

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
Right?

Speaker 21 (01:03:54):
Do you think it could be pop? Do you think
we're going to eat going back in? Or do you
think it will be pop poking Thornton to start or
either pop poking Booty. I don't think they're just gonna
soap going out there right away? What y'all think?

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Good question, Kendall. And I think Mike Gusseau had that
kind of nailed before we went to the break. Mike repeat,
who you think that threesome is gonna look like today?

Speaker 17 (01:04:14):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I mean I said I'm a snapscam.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Yeah, I mean I would be surprised if if Bourn
led the team in snaps, but I think he'll I
think he'll play a role. I think all five of
those guys will play I don't. I mean, I think
when you're eventually man. The point I was trying to
make earlier was born Polk Douglas good trio to start with,
you know, in the future, and maybe not necessarily ready
to go one hundred percent today, but I'd probably still
expect Thornton to get the start. And you know, you

(01:04:37):
just he's born in in you have some specific plays
and you know, you drive it up how you want
to get him the ball?

Speaker 21 (01:04:43):
Yeah, I mean, what's y'all think? What's y'all? I mean,
I know we say a lot about the offensive line
and the quarterback, but I know Thornton has played all
four games and the fact that I mean, I know
we keep saying that he ain't doing nothing. But do
you think this because of the offensive line or make
the sense not looking or do you think it's something
he's doing?

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Yeah, I think he's not getting Yeah. No, I mean
I think it's a it's a little of everything. I
would say it's a little on the offensive line, it's
a little bit on you know, Jacoby hasn't been able
to hit him. And it's also I just I don't
think he's really gonna be that elite player that you
need him to be on the outside right now. It's
just he's healthy, he's got some speed, he has a
little bit of an element that you want to add
into the construction of the offense. It doesn't necessarily mean

(01:05:20):
that I'm expecting him to be productive. I'd like to.
I mean I'd like to get Born in there as
much as possible.

Speaker 21 (01:05:28):
The Bengals game, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
I think Bourne takes Osborne. I think that's now one
for one to Mike the Kendell if we're counting. If
we're counting snaps at the end of the game, I
kind of agree with Mike. I don't think you'll see
Born lead the wide receivers and snaps because I just
don't think he'll have enough sort of football stamina to

(01:05:52):
do that. But you know, the last couple of games,
it seems like early third downs go to kJ Osborne.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the first they're down
of the game go to Condrick. I think that's a
one for one swap, and I think that's one that
the Patriots off and should benefit from because I think
one's a better player.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Did I did I see former NFL insider Jason lockin
Forth say that the Patriots are taking calls on Taykwon Thornton.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Yes, that was reported this week that that they were,
which I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Think the phone's burning.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
I think that, I don't think. I think that that's
why they're giving it to Jason Leckinford probably putting it
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Mike do so at the job. I think that's why
you can reach.

Speaker 6 (01:06:33):
Him in Kansas City. Yeah, well, they're in the wide
receiver or a buffalo someone that doesn't have any depth
at receiver.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
I'd take a flyer devant.

Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
I mean, I'm not going to give anything. Well, wow,
Thornton Adams, he's a little he's a little per. Mike's
on edge.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
I think I'm on edge.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
I know that I know that Matt keeps billing this
is a key at one and three, one and three,
good guy, you shouldn't be on it if battle come on.
I mean even at the Patriots win, they's still like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
No, no, I know, and I'm still like again, it's
like I just want to check the box of a win,
like it's not even you know, I mean, unless it's
something completely unexpected happens and the Patriots offense scores a
bunch of points and you're like, it's like, oh my god.
Like then I'll come in here and be like this
is amazing. I just want to come in here and
be like, you did your job, you got it done.
Maybe showed a couple of new things. I'm not asking
for too much, but yeah, I'm fired up today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
When we ask who's got the bigger chip on their
shoulder between the Patriots and Dolphins, maybe it's a deuced yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
It is me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
David and Madrid, Spain emails that there's been a lot
of rumors about starting a way to the right guard.
If this is the case, who would the right tackle
be with Wallace on IR Hope we win today, Go Pats,
says David from Madrid, Spain.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Yeahd be uh Trey Jacobs. You know they started him
on the left side, they'd probably swing him over to
the right. Venerian Loaf. He's I mean, he's active, so
we'll see how much he plays. I mean we've seen
the last couple of weeks. Guys are active, but they're
still banged up. They're working through stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
And I would say a little nugget also that came
out of the Scott Peters availability this week. I thought
he went out of his way a little bit to
give a little goose to Jacob's about that, yes or no,
Like he fought terrible position to put in and cut
off the practice squad. It's barely been with the organization
and ladies and general. We're gonna introduce you to Nick
Bosa right now in the San Francisco forty nine ers. Yeah,

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that kid hung in.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
It wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but
you know what, I think they like to fight maybe
and the kid in the willingness to try to learn, Yeah,
and so they maybe they see something that they can
work with there. It's a physical specimen.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
Yeah. Alex Van Pelt was, you know, very complimentary of
him too and grateful. This is what it's about, though,
This is opportunities pop up in the NFL, and you
never know when your opportunity is gonna come, whether you're
Tom Brady, you know as the back of quarterback or
your you know, Trey Jacobs who gets cut from a
team and gets signed to you know, by the Patriots
Week one. I mean, I think over the last you know,
twenty years, it's probably happened a handful of times or

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so where the Patriots grabbed somebody. You know that you
don't really the whole off season, you're not spending any
time time talking about this guy, and then all of
a sudden, you know, they come in and end up
being a contributor. And that's what they need from like
one of these tackles to just step up and lock
down a spot. I mean, and if Jacob's were to
play right tackle today and play well, like, maybe that'll
put up to put huge to put him when you

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back inside, and you know you're probably you're not getting
David Andrews back this year, So that's something they're gonna
have to work around no matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
All right, Matt, let's go to over Unders. What do
you think.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
It's time for this week's edition of over Unders?

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Look who's in first place once again?

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
Okay, so last week Paul five and one, Matt three
and three, Mike two and four. Season standings. No Socks
continues to set the pace at fifteen and nine, followed
by me at fourteen and ten, and then Mike ten
and fourteen.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
Man, I'm terrible, So.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
We'll give you the first opportunity to try to crawl
your way out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Mike, all right, with.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
A first half, first half spring of the Patriots at
half a point?

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Yeah, I got, I got, I'm gonna take it. I'm
gonna take Patriots lead at halftime. I think it's it's
critical and yeah, I'll take the Patriots on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Do you believe in a fast start, Michael, that it's
gonna that we're gonna see one today?

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
I don't. I don't really feel confident in anything, but
I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
So, Okay, I'll join you when that first half spread, Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:10:24):
Yeah, I'll take the Patriots that have the lead at
the half today.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Okay, total sacks by a Patriots defense one and a half.

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
I will take the over on that. I feel like
scrambling quarterbacks tend to get sacked, so there'll be a
couple of running around and not being able to get
back to the line of scrimmage for Tyler Huntley.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Yeah, I'll go. I'll go over to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I'm gonna go under because I don't think, like, again,
where's it coming from?

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Number one?

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
And I think you're gonna have to fall into some
sacks in order for that to happen. So maybe, just
to be different, I'll go under the longest touch down yards,
which has been a favorite by Draft Kings. That's a
good one that you pull out of their Matt longest
touchdown yards thirty and a half, Paul thirty and a half.

Speaker 6 (01:11:10):
Ah thirty and a half longest touchdown. This has been
this is the game, like this is the game. This
has been a sneaky over. Yeah, Yes, the sea correct
like out of nowhere. I'm gonna I'm gonna continue it.
I'm gonna say I'm going to say over.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
I hit on it last week.

Speaker 6 (01:11:26):
I'm going to see I see if it happens again.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Mike crap I. I mean it's easy to say yes
with the safeties out, I mean it's easy to say yes.
But I'm gonna say no.

Speaker 6 (01:11:36):
It can be a run tune.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah, and again I'm with Paul, and it's been a
sneaky over. I'm gonna go with the over again. These
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Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Mike, is there a touchdown? I think there is. I'll
go over.

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
Yeah, I'm going to go under on that. Both of
these teams have had a terrible time scoring early in games.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
Then i'll break.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
I think I'll go over on that, just to be different. Again,
total field goals made three and a half and I
like the over on that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Yeah, I'm with you, I like the over on This
is a.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Kicker game today. This is a kicker game. And as
I think there was some discussion early on when Tamara
was with us, if you got a shot here inside there,
within field goal range, let it go this first down,
I'll take let it over to Based on my score,
I kind of have to okay, and then last but
not least thirty six and a half. How could anyone

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in their right mind go over on this one. I
can't imagine. Of course, now that I say that they will.

Speaker 6 (01:12:45):
There are such things as pick sixes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Yeah, so I would take the under on that. Because
we're challenged on offense both teams in this game.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
I'm going to take the under.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Also, like I was trying to see if I should
make up some ground here but I'm not crazy. I
want to take the under two right right? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Have we have?

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
We seen it trend develop with two challenged offenses to
begin with, right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
Challenged like that they're not bad, they're just challenged.

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
Well, the only thing and you keep kind of reminding
me that this Mike is like, wow, the Jets are
really really getting ported. My god. The Vikings seem to
have one play and that's to hope that they call
a penalty on a secondary member for the Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
When throwing in the vicinity of Jefferson.

Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
The the the ability that Miami has to be explosive
is sticking out to me, and like I could see them,
you know, all of a sudden, Huntley makes a couple
of plays, you know here or there, or they increase
a run or something. They have the ability to put
some points on the board. And I'm not sure the
Patriots have that same opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Yeah, very fair point. Back to the phones. Let's go
to Phil in Coventry, Rhode Island. Phil Good, afternoon, almost
you're on the Patriots pregame Social Fuel by Duncan.

Speaker 9 (01:14:09):
Hello, Hey, how you doing guys?

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
Great? How are you they feel?

Speaker 17 (01:14:13):
Phil Good?

Speaker 11 (01:14:15):
I was just curious.

Speaker 9 (01:14:17):
I don't know how much you can actually be proven
if you will, but I was under the impression that
the Patriots tried to trade up in the draft, and
not just no teams would trade with them. You guys
know anything about that or because everyone's saying, you know, like, well,
I didn't you get in a left tackle, et cetera,

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et cetera, and if.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
The air that's a good question, and I think you're
right about that if you're talking about specifically Paul at
the end of the first round.

Speaker 6 (01:14:46):
Yeah, but that but from what I've been told, it
was not for a left tackle. It was for a
wide receiver. I believe they had their eyes on Kansas
City from Carolina. Okay, And you know, I'm not going
to like and his career.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
He hasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
He's gotten up to a slow start, but that's Carolina.
And you know they had the Bryce Young situation the
first couple of weeks and and whatnot. But that's, you know,
according to some of the stories that I've heard, nothing
concrete or anything. That's that's what I been led to believe.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
I just say, with that guy's accent, he belongs in
the South, like he belongs where it will be appreciated fully.
I don't know if you guys have heard him talk,
but he's got like the ideal. I mean, I guess
we kind of Kishan Boodie a little bit David with
frail like the creole accent, but he's got he's got
a great accent.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
As somebody I know who might be on their fantasy team.
I think he made a little boost last week. I
think he had more targets, more catches, you know, I
think that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
Makes sense with with Dalton, you know, feeling and feeling
getting hurt. So he opened up some some opportunities.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Okay, now that the enactors are out, like, let's go
back to it seems like it's a weekly occurrence for
us to set the table. But what do you think
the offensive line is going to look like?

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
Here? Left to right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Uh? As they as they get ready to play today.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
I think, I mean, I'll roll the dice with Vaderian Lowe,
Darian low Michael, Jordan Leverett on when you and Jacobs
out at right tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Okay, and so, Paul, I'll ask you this. So played
for the first time last week after battling some injury problems.
Mike's got Jordan instead of so. Oh yeah, I think
that's so. Has he surpassed or maybe on the depth chart.

Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
I don't know what the depth chart was or is,
but he opened the season as the starter at left tackle,
and I think he played pretty well until he got hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Jordan left guard, Yeah, left guard.

Speaker 6 (01:16:46):
Sorry, And my only question would be do they want
one you know, either Jordan or so whoever is, but
did they want to put him at right guard and
then keep a wan who at tackle? That to me
is the one thing in the back of my mind,
based on Friday, we looked like we saw when you
slide inside. So that's why I think Mike's projection is

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the one I.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Would probably pick.

Speaker 6 (01:17:07):
Yeah, as I flip coins, I really like and I
know it sounds like awful analysis, but I just I
don't have any kind of definitive.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
Because because I mean, I mean, Lady Robinson's banged up,
Michael Jordan's you know, he's still recovering, even Stidy So
is still recovering. So it's it's just it's hard to
parse out. I would I would probably guess that even
the line that starts there's probably gonna be a little
bit of rotation and just trying to get you know,
spread out the reps a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Yeah, uh, Lucas and Main writes and hey, guys, I
was just wondering why we haven't tried out Javon Baker yet.
We need weapons. I've barely seen him out there. I
do understand that Jacobe probably can't get it there, but
I'm just hoping to see something. Mike. I think you
touched on this earlier in the show. It's a basics.
He's a basic, he's a it's a maturity, learning on
the job. You got KB back this week. I think

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that naturally bumps Bakery off.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's what Alex Van Pelt said
this week. I mean just point out out getting the
basics down, understanding everything, you know. I mean, Jaymon Baker,
I thought, you know, had a pretty good start to camp,
and it seemed like Drake was more than willing to
chuck the ball to him. And I think he caught
a couple passes early and then in the game's late
they couldn't connect. He had some drops and then it
just kind of felt like he fell off after that

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and and and was less in the mix, and you know,
just seemed like he was fighting it a little bit.
And so now they've gone behind the scenes and you know,
this is what we're hearing is is he's still kind
of working on the baseline. It's a little bit disappointing.
I'm not gonna lie with you know, how badly they
need a guy. I think Paul would agree, Like, you know,
he's a camp like, Yes, he just he moves a
little different. He has a little shake to him, you know.

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I mean the hands were inconsistent, and that was, you know,
probably where Booty made the team, and that's where Booty's
gonna have a chance to be successful today. I thought,
you know, Booty's biggest drink with was his hands. So
maybe he's able to you know, contribute a little bit
in a rotational role to.

Speaker 6 (01:18:52):
Yeah, and they they opted to put two of those
receivers out right, b one came back and they have
two on the inactive list. So I think Mike is
is right. It was Van pelt I think I know
it was was it Mayo. It was Van Pelt right,
not a lot of like I mean, he didn't rip
him by any means, but in terms of like coaches
talking about players that was pretty pointed. You know, assignments, routes,

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you know, tension to detail, and no one would get
back to basics.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
And if they're going to forego a guy who's got
that kind of talent, to me, it tells me they.

Speaker 6 (01:19:26):
Got I'm he has either like I mean, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
I'm not trying to tell you that he's Jerry Rice.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
I thought he really flashed like the first week. I
think Mike just I mean, I don't have to repeat
everything Mike just said. I thought he really flashed the
first week of camp and has steadily gone downhill since.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
All right, Eldred from North Carolina. You're next to the
Patriots pregame show fueled by Duncan. Good afternoon, Eldred.

Speaker 22 (01:19:50):
Hey how about you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
There? We go to make work a month.

Speaker 22 (01:19:57):
So I didn't hear that dead discussion right there, but
I heard first the caller before that. I'm worried about
about Taekwon too. Is he is he Jeffrey is just
lady with speed or Jakoba can't get him the ball
or whatever. And I take it off the air to
thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Thank you, thank you for the call today. Yes, sure,
thank you for the call, Eldred. The enigma that is
Taekwon Thornton. Mike got as much.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Chance as he's going to get this summer. I think
we saw, you know, uh, the the best we've seen
of him, and it's it's still just wasn't enough. And
I know, I think Paul's got a good like kind
of point of view on him that I agree with.
It's very long and skinny, and it's just it's hard
to get sudden change the direction out of him. And

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I think he has improved and he's gotten a little stronger.
I think those things were apparent in training camp this year,
but it's just, you know, a handful of catches through
training camp. It's it's not enough to go into an
NFL season and be productive. And obviously, like I mean,
I would be curious, like if when Drake finally gets
in there, if that opens anything up with Taekwon Thornton.
I wouldn't really hope, So I wouldn't really pound the

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you know, the electron and say this is gonna happen,
But it will be interesting just to see Drake may
has that willingness to chuck the ball down the field,
if if he ever developed the chemistry with Thornton, but
I just I haven't seen it from him as.

Speaker 6 (01:21:19):
A player, and I haven't you know, I've seen some
plays where Polk looks like he's, you know, coming open
across the field or to Mario Douglas, is you know,
a quick little out of the sticks. I haven't seen
a lot of plays with Taekwon Thornton where I watch
and I was like, oh, he flashed right there. Yeah,
you know, too bad they didn't have enough time to
get him the ball. I I mean, I think it
might be time. I think it might be time to

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just say, yeah, it wasn't wasn't a great pick.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
Yeah, that's that was my point to go to. I mean,
I think once born is healthy, that's the three, you know, Bourn,
Polk and Douglas.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
I'm not here to to just dump on Thornton. But
were in year three and have we seen what Taekwon
Thornton is at least in his program? Ye, I mean
he bulked up a little bit to his credit, you know,
looked a little bit bigger this year when he came
into camp. Some certain positive signs there. But I think
he is what he is, and I can understand if

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black and four is right and says, they're taking phone
calls from or there. You know, if there's some interest,
he might be a candidate for a change of scenery.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Yeah, And I mean I would just you know, contrast
him a little bit to Jalen Polk, who you know,
not to write home of you know, Polk downfield stuff.
But like he just caught a lot of balls. He's
just consistent, like he's out there. You always see him,
you always you know, he always catches your eye. And
it's like, I don't know how many of these first
three games I've been like, did Thornton play today? Like
he like Paul said, he never catches your eye. He

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never really Oh he was open there. You know, there's
there's never really any of that. And and even going
back to the summer in practice, it was you know,
spotty here and there, Whereas you know, Polk would catch
some balls just about every every practice. You always kind
of were aware of him being in practice. But Thornton
just unfortunately has the ability to go invisible. And I
think that's about.

Speaker 6 (01:22:57):
Say, I just don't see much of him in the games.
I don't think he's he shows up in practice three
straight training camps. I think he's been fine, just don't
see that translate to the games.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
And I think, you know, the first game against Cincinnati,
there was a couple of like non thwart and plays
we've had a little dig inside and another out and
you go, okay, maybe this is it. Maybe now he's
going to become a part of the offense. But certainly
with all the other issues that are going on offensively,
he seems to have disappeared.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
Yeah, yeah, no, And then that's why I think, you know,
Bourn coming back at the right time. Certain points start
a summer, you're like, man, we got like Juju on
the roster and you know, Jalen Rager and all these
kind of names. And I think as the dust is settled,
you see there's there's three guys so loaded wide receive
a load, I receive room. Remember by that one we've
slowly descended to. But you know, I think they have

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three pretty good guys who are going to be under
contract for the next few years. So work with them,
work to build them. No question, there needs to be
an element of explosiveness added to that group. But I
think when you look at the quickness of Douglas and
maybe some of the run after catch and versatility of
Born and some of the toughness in the hands of Polk.
Like you know, you're painting a pretty good spectrum of receivers.

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I just but again, we all know you need the
big dog that draws some of the coverage and then
all of a sudden, all these other guys are able
to eat a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
And this guy's not the big dog. But I am
an unabashed Kendrick Born fan. I think that this team
that sometimes maybe lacks a little bit of energy. I
think you heard the coaching staff talk about the energy
that he brought to the practice field this week. What's
fear to expect from Kendrick Bourne this week? Does he
play how much? Do you think, Mike?

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
Yeah, I think it definitely plays like twenty snaps something
like that, like half to have to to maybe two thirds.
If you're feelings.

Speaker 6 (01:24:36):
Got to be an option on third down, Yeah, he's
got to be an option, you know. And the Patriots
have really struggled on third down offense. Miami is I
think among the leaders, if not number one on third
down defense, they need something to change, they need and
I think that he might. I agree with Mike, You're
not going to ask him to go out and play
sixty five plays. I don't think that's realistic, but you can,

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you can lean on him in some big spots.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
But you said, Paul, and maybe I hope I listened
to you correctly, but you said he's been on pop,
he's been working out, he's conceivably in shape.

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
Yeah, that's not football shit understood.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
I understood. He hasn't played football since last So you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Think you think it's a you know, you've got it.
I don't know if he's in is the right phrase,
but you can't give him a full load.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
Maybe it's what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
Yeah, that's I mean, I just think it's unrealistic to
expect him to go out and play every snap.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:25:27):
I think I think you could ask, you know, I mean,
they rotate the receivers a lot, but like Polk and
Douglas have been, you know, full time players.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:25:39):
I don't think he can ask that out of But
we'll see, you know, maybe we've seen stranger things. But
maybe all of a sudden he comes in and and
it's a heavier workload than you think.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
And I don't want to overdo it on Polk, but
I think he's so far building a nice little resume
for himself. You know, the consistency, seems to keep moving
in the right direction, everything like that. He's was not
advertised as a game breaker or anything like that. But
I think reliability, as we were talking about that maybe
Baker is lacking right now. Polk has that and has

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the confidence of the staff and the players to be
put in those spots where you need to trust somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
Just like getting a guy who can play at that
position on a rookie deal. And you know, I mean,
we can probably get into a more nuanced discussion about
do you want more out of a guy picked in
the second high second round, But we'll see. I think
I think one element we haven't really seen it even
going to a training camp, something that he showed it
at Washington quite a few times, is just the ability
to make kind of leaping catches and you know, those
kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Big sounds just go along the sidelines.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Yeah, that's a good that's even though he was bound.
But but you know, but even just the ability to ball.

Speaker 6 (01:26:48):
I mean, for me, with the with the receiver corps,
they all get it incomplete. Like I know a lot
of people like they don't get open. They don't get
I don't put any of almost I don't want to
say I don't put any of it on wide receives
because that's not fair. The passing game is so broken
right now. I can't put it on Poartigate in Douglas,
in Osborne, and even Thoughnton, it's just so hard to

(01:27:10):
gauge now. I have to be honest, I haven't seen
what other people have seen about how good all those
guys have been either. I just it's like an incomplete
to me, Like, I just it's not their fault that
the quarterbacks are running for their lives. You know, the
quarterback is running for his life on virtually every drop back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
I like the incomplete grade Johnny from Midtown Rights and guys,
why do they want to be run first? In the
age of passing and high scoring? Why have they been
intentionally run first for the past half decade. I don't
know if that's half decade.

Speaker 6 (01:27:40):
I don't don't agree with that. I don't know if
that's true, but right now. So we had a call
from Floyd and he asked about confidence level. That's one
of the things that I'm sort of skeptical about. Offensively,
this is how they want to play. This is how
Alex Manpelt wants to run an offense. I don't And
I kind of agree with that email. I don't run first.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
It's fair, you mean, and you don't like run first
in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 6 (01:28:05):
Yeah, I don't like run first since, like Corey Dillon
was on two thousand and four Patriots, that was twenty
oh four, right, I just I know a lot of
people like to point, well, you know, they did this
and that, and they scored forty points, you know, in
the playoffs because Tom Brady and if you want to
like say, you know, we're a little bit weak on

(01:28:25):
the on the perimeters, you know, with Tom Brady as
your quarterback, so you know we might lean a little
bit more heavily on Sony Michelle. Yeah, tom Brady's your quarterback, right,
you think that helps Sony Michelle run a little baby,
you know. So I think there's there's some differences there.
I admit, fully admit, I'm cranky when it comes to
you know, the run game. Cranky Paul, you know, cranky

(01:28:46):
Paul comes out. It just it's just a way to
keep the score down. We talked about this a little
bit on Patriots Unfiltered, Matt, and I know that you
are not a loyal listener of Patriots and filled it,
so I'll fill you in just about the whole idea
that scoring is down and and everything. And I think

(01:29:07):
there's a variety of factors that come into it. And
I just I mean, the defense is being better is
on the list, but I think it's well down the list.
I think it's they're daring people to run with these
you know, safeties twenty yards behind the line, and teams
are taking the cheese and running and therefore they're taking

(01:29:29):
points off the board because it's longer, and you know,
these these time consuming drives and whatnot, and they make
you be perfect. And I think that it just requires
a lot of you know, precision on the drives you're seeing,
Like I'm watching this this London game today. Yeah, it's
just I mean, these London games tend to be like

(01:29:50):
this anyway, but it's it's just hard to sort of
sustain these long drives and and and you you got
a twenty to ten game that if not for a
pick six, would look a lot different, you know, at
thirteen to ten. And it's just kind of what the
league is now.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
Yeah, I'd anticipate today will be a pretty good example
of this because I'd expect the Patriots are gonna say, look,
we just don't want to lose on big plays, so
we're gonna play those two safeties deep and if they
want to run it, they can. And I think that's
a big, big part of what the game will be today.
Do they get those explosive runs or you know, it's
New England able to even if you give up some
yardage on the ground, stops in the red zone, you know,

(01:30:32):
keep the points down. That's the that's the important part.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Those of you watching, you see the Patriots have begun
to take the field for pregame warms in their blue
home uniforms.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
Mike's guy there, he is there, he is one reason
we'll get more healthy.

Speaker 6 (01:30:44):
Well, he did hit seventeen follow away. He almost caught
a ball down the sideline on a hill.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
Mary last week.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
We'll get more into the pregame warmings.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
I'm sorry, is this another guy I like that? You
guys just make fun of it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:53):
I know I think I'm I think I'm the lone wolf.
Fun yess what I think Matt likes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
I think there's a little bit of hope there.

Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
Like Jalen Polk and I went on a pretty passionate
for me endorsement of him. I just think he's a
he I like, for lack of a better term. I
like the cut of his jib. I think he's tough.
I think he's a good physical football player. I don't
know how good he's going to be. I think his
high end would be someone like Tyler Boyd, who I

(01:31:20):
think is a very productive depended a third or fourth
banana on a good team. That's what I you know,
but I've I've also seen a well they hit on
Jalen Polk like and I feel like I like Jalen Polk,
and I feel like I get negative when I don't
want to be negative because I'm like, what did you see?

(01:31:41):
Like he got targeted seven times last week and caught
three balls, Like, and I'm supposed to have a party
for that. Like, I like what I see from Jalen Polk.
I'm using the entirety of the body of work. Mike
has brought this up a million times, and he's a
thousand percent right. Every day at training camp, it's three,
four or five beating Aaron Rodgers is taken, by the way,

(01:32:03):
every day at training camp it was three, four or
five balls. It was Drake May throwing it to him.
It was Jacobe Bissett throwing it to him. He just
showed up every day. And I like those guys. Those
are the guys that Bill used to say to keep
an eye on the guys that consistently they didn't They
didn't ride the wave. It wasn't up here one day,
down here the next. It was a steady incline. And

(01:32:25):
that's what I like about Jalen Pole. I just haven't
seen this sort of you know, well, nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
To see here.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
He's he's made it, he's established himself. I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
And why didn't the Patriots go out and get Tyrone Smith,
I mean Tyron Smith or whatever his name is.

Speaker 6 (01:32:38):
That the Vikings are doing this to everybody and they're
missing two starters. By the way, I know that Patriots
are the only team that's missing stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
Be flow, beflow will continue to flow.

Speaker 6 (01:32:50):
Might be the coach of the year. And I'm not exaggerating.
He might be the coach of the year in football
because I don't know what he's doing. I don't know
I'm not Evan. I don't know enough about the Ex's nose,
but every single team that plays them is talking either
before or after the game about how crazy the scheme
is that Brian Floores is coming up with. So he
can't be doing it conventional. He's got to be doing so.
Did you hit Bruck Purdy after that game?

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
No, this scheme's crazy, dude. Yeah, Like what is he doing?

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Hold that thought? Hold that thought, Paul. We're going to
take a break and we'll return on the other side.
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Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
We are about forty minutes till kickoff when the Patriots
hosts of Miami Dolphins Paul in a Key as East
match showdown. There are Showdown, Key Showdown. You're watching some
of the pregame war ups going on here in the field,
and there's a man that hope we're going to see
a lot of today, and that's Antonio Gibson.

Speaker 4 (01:35:58):
Mike, Yeah, I thought he's been h you know, pretty
good in spurts. I was impressed with him this summer.
I mean it's just he seems comfortable running this outside
zone scheme and he has that little burst to get
out to the edge. We've seen a couple of flashes
of it here and there. So he's and he's got
a burst out skill set. I mean when he came out,
I think people were kind of considering maybe it to
be a receiver as well. So he's, uh, he's an

(01:36:21):
okay player. I think I think he might have a
little bit of an impact today.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Nice little moment that we're seeing here. I'm going to assume,
hopefully correctly, that yeah, that's his family that they seeing
in pregame warps, and like it's not the worst thing
in the world. Maybe to go say hi to your
wife and kids before.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
The game and it's like your mom and yeah, I'll
get a picture.

Speaker 6 (01:36:39):
I like the little dude down. Did he have a
different number?

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
One?

Speaker 6 (01:36:42):
Could?

Speaker 23 (01:36:42):
I could?

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
That looks like a three? Yeah, I like it. Maybe
he's three years old, I was, Yeah, there go hasty.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
You guys talked about him too, Yeah, and I think
we're going to see some of him. That running back
by committee Mike we.

Speaker 6 (01:36:55):
Mentioned, is that informed speculation?

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
No, no, no, I'm not a thing that then.

Speaker 6 (01:37:00):
Now, unless you guys have some information that you left
me out of the pre meeting, I.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Think there's going to be your running back by committee
kind of approached to today. I said it, Stevenson's gonna
play Gibbson.

Speaker 6 (01:37:12):
Stevenson's going to play right, Yeah, that's the committee. It's
gonna it's going to continue. It's just going to reverse.
I think Gibson and Stevenson instead of Stevenson and Gibson.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
I think that that makes sense. I would say, you know,
we'render in the second quarter, you know that. I mean,
give first couple of possessions. Hopefully they're sustain possessions. Maybe,
and he showed him, well, that's what we mean, Paul,
I think you're out when we got one of those calls.
That's what's you know, hard, it's it's it is hard.
You can't Ben.

Speaker 6 (01:37:36):
It's hard for me to take the snark off.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
You know how I know. I know it's like, all right,
you sat out the first quarter. Now, don't fumble here
back in now now listen seriously though, really, I.

Speaker 6 (01:37:46):
Mean it's I actually feel like because and I said
this last week, and I understand you kind of have
to take some playing time away. I just don't know
how that helps you hold onto the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Oh nice concentration that maybe now you know that your
job is literally on.

Speaker 6 (01:38:05):
The line, but you don't think that last week.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:07):
That's why my question was gonna la last week I
was holding like Walter Payton like this, you know, and
then they think, well, you know what he told me
I was going to get benched, so now I'm gonna
hold it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
So when do you punish?

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
You think, no, no, no, I'm not saying you probably have to.
You probably have to sit him down, and for nothing else,
you sort of make him think about it and make
him clear his head a little bit, not about holding
on the ball, but sort of alleviate the pressure and
just like all right, just go out and play.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
You can't find him right like every time he phone.
It's like it is tough progressive subspeci.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Yeah, I don't think it's easy. And I also think
the way in the style that Stevenson runs it, it's
conducive because he gets a lot of yards after initial
contact and they're digging and punching and punching and digging
the whole time.

Speaker 4 (01:38:51):
We just want to avoid the ones where it's like
the guy comes just unabated right into the backfield. I
think that's kind of like what happened last week a
little bit where a guy got mean he wasn't even
out of the backfield yet, and the guy's ripping his
arm back, so it'd be nice to give him a
little bit of time before he has to.

Speaker 6 (01:39:04):
Do But that was a bad fumble.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
No, of course that was the worst of the year.

Speaker 6 (01:39:08):
Look at the newest kat. Not now that's Mike's newest crush.
The previous shot was the newest captain, which under one
underrated story, we're going to a captains that may have said, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
A good line.

Speaker 6 (01:39:21):
No, that's what I just said.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
What I said, it's like the Madden. It's like the Madden, right,
he acknowledged it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:39:29):
Hunter Henry was named to replace David Andrews as one
of the offensive captains. Correct, he's been a captain before
the last year he was captain.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 6 (01:39:38):
Surprised that he wasn't a captain coming out of camp,
to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Looking at new feean favorite kicker Joey Sly, he likes
wearing those shirts showing those guns off, and he got
them font them right, those guns.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
The guy guy's got a leg. He should be showing
off that leg. I mean, he said, what did you
say last week? He thought he could hit from seventy.
I mean he's I mean, it's the right time to
get a guy who's got some range because as the
offensive struggled, that's, you know what you need.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
There's a man that there's gonna be a lot of
expected of today. Nick Leverett at center filling in for
David Andrews. I think he performed admirably, admirably last week. Yeah,
for a guy who met his struggle a major issues.

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
Yeah, and Andrews, uh, you know, missed some time in
the preseason. I think he had he was on a
personal issue and then he was also on a pitch
count and we saw Nick Levertt in there a little
bit and that was part of some of those really
bad days of practice where there were snap issues and
bad snaps and laps and all that kind of stuff.
But it was great not to see it last week,
just being in the locker room around Levertt a little bit,

(01:40:38):
you know, And probably nothing surprising about offensive lineman. Usually
those guys are pretty personal, but he's uh, he's a
funny guy, personable guy and seems to be embracing this
this opportunity that he has, uh with with Andrews going down.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
And don't you think the veteran presence of having a
guy like that in the middle can help maybe, you hope,
solidify where there's some questions on either side of him.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
Well, it's certainly better than you know, Brian Hudson, who
they called up, who got undrafted rookie and didn't spend
camp with the Patriots. So's he's the backup center right now.
They did say some positive things about him this week
as well in the press conferences. But yeah, it's a
tough position. As Tamara said during the enact is we
know how much goes on the center in this offense
to make the line calls and call the protections out

(01:41:18):
and all that stuff. So big, big, big opportunity here
for Leverett to rise up and have a good game
and you know kind of say, all right, that spot's
going to be okay this year without Andrews.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Well, I just saw seconds ago, number zero on your scoreboard.
Christian Gonzalez. A lot will be expected of him today
with the fleet Miami wide receivers.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
Let's go back to the phone lines.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
It's about a half an hour on the East coast
before we kick things off between the Patriots and the Dolphins.
Chad from the West Coast joins us. Next Chad, Hello,
you're part of the Patriots pregame Social Fuel by Duncan.
Good afternoon, Hey.

Speaker 24 (01:41:53):
Guys, thanks for my call. My question is in regard
to David Andrews going out. You guys mentioned that he
didn't want May going in if he didn't have a
veteran center. I think in a couple maybe a couple
of weeks ago on Unfiltered, and I wanted to know
your take on that, because I think you've changed. You

(01:42:14):
want to see May.

Speaker 6 (01:42:15):
So what I said was, I didn't want the first
game that the new center played to be with Drake May.
Once Nick Leverett plays a little bit and he's comfortable,
that's fine. That's no longer an issue for me. But
like today, I think it makes a little sense if
that had it. I don't think it had anything to
do with the thought process, but for me, it would
make some sense if they're like, we got a new

(01:42:36):
center trying to get his things down for the first
time with a new quarterback. That's too much new.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Let's do it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:42):
You know, maybe you know after a week or two,
where Leverett is, you know, presumably more comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Yeah, yeah, you're looking at your screen. The winner of
the Ron Burdon Community Service Awards, Special Team gu Brendan's Schooler.
Might we see special Team gog Brennan Schooler gulp as
part of your defensive game plan as safety?

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
Mike, I think it's a possibility because we saw more
of him at safety this summer than ever seeing him before.
And jar Rob Meyo talked about it this summer. When
you run into injury issues and have problems, Yeah, I
think that that definitely how they're figuring out how to
play it all out. How do you feel schoolers been
in the league a few years mostly special teams though,
how do you match him up versus like Adel Pattis

(01:43:25):
who has been a safety but as an undrafted rookie,
and we know how much experience he has. Same with
Mapu as we've talked about him, he's he's barely played,
he's barely practiced in over a year. So yeah, a
lot of a lot of questions. Also seeing O'shawn mathis
here who got called up? And I think it's Jacquelin
Roy was promoted to the active roster Hill Jacquelin Jacquelin role.

(01:43:46):
Thank you for correcting me, But yeah, another defensive lineman
in the mix. We'll see how we.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Mike, you're the draft guy, can you recall us if
you're to put you on the spot to ask, did
you look at Schooler at all as a defensive back
coming out of Texas?

Speaker 18 (01:43:58):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
No, I did not. If I if I did, if
it said special teams stand out, I probably would have
would have been would have been more likely to to
ping my radar at that level because he just doesn't
look like a safety, you know, to me, like he
doesn't really look.

Speaker 6 (01:44:10):
Like me if I'm wrong, but he doesn't kind of
much defense in college, right, Yeah, he was a receiver
for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
I mean he was just he's kind of like the
one of those slater guys didn't have a true obvious
position or role in the NFL. And and mean credit
to him, he's he's carved one out though.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Okay, as we're getting ready to wind things down here
a little bit, Matt, how about let's go for the
Sunday six pack.

Speaker 14 (01:44:29):
Please, this is the Sunday six packs, So kick back
and listen my position. I'm getting to getting the bits back.
You better bring a big stack, get a mixture. Came,
but win it yet this is the Sunday sixth.

Speaker 6 (01:44:40):
Bad all right, So last week it was kind of
a mediocre week for everybody. Mike three two and one,
Paul two three and one, and Matt one four and one.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Who doesn't gamble? And why on that list? I wonder who?

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
So?

Speaker 6 (01:44:54):
Uh, I don't And I'm gonna speak for Mike and
say he doesn't either, right because we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
I like.

Speaker 6 (01:45:01):
So season standings are very mediocre, but Matt continues to
set the pace, both with the over unders and the
six pack. Twelve eleven and one.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Have you noticed those numbers going down every single week? Paul,
I have followed.

Speaker 6 (01:45:15):
By Mike eleven twelve and one and Paul ten thirteen
in one.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
Have you ever heard of.

Speaker 6 (01:45:20):
Beginner's luck at the Sorry it was eleven eleven and
one for Matt ten twelve and I'm eleven eleven and
two for Matt ten twelve and two for Mike and
nine thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
And two for me.

Speaker 6 (01:45:32):
Okay, those are the updated because, as you know, experienced
listeners know, the originals on the sheet are quite often
incorrect when Matt does it without asking, they.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
Were real off today.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
So those are the updated standings, and Paul You've got
the numbers, so I'm going to let you chime in
please as we set the table for the games and
we get at one o'clock. This is a real big
game for one of these teams for sure, and that's
the Ravens on the road at Cincinnati. Might you must
win game for Cincinnati. What's the spread? Police?

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
Paul?

Speaker 6 (01:46:03):
The Ravens by two.

Speaker 7 (01:46:07):
One.

Speaker 6 (01:46:07):
To follow with a pick, I have to make the
pick first.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
I'll go. I'm going to take the Ravens. Uh. Cincinnati
slide continues.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
I will I will jump on the Ravens bandwagon there
as well. Mike.

Speaker 6 (01:46:22):
I'm in last place, so Bengals it is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Does that affect your pick?

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
You already.

Speaker 6 (01:46:29):
Know I'm picking the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Okay, this should be an interesting one. The other one
o'clock game here is another a FC East's team, the
AFC East leader Buffalo Bills three and one go to
the three and one Houston Texans.

Speaker 6 (01:46:43):
Uh A, Buffalo is favored by one, and I do
go first on this one because this is the second game. Okay,
I am going to take Buffalo on the road to
bounce back after a tough week last week.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
I'm with you on the Bills. I like the Bills
in Houston.

Speaker 6 (01:46:58):
Houston's actually favored by one. Yeah you said Buffalo, Oh sorry,
Houston by one. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
I'll take Buffalo plus one two.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
So it's three of us across the board, all in
the bills, correct, Yes? Okay. Four o'clock a key AFC
West game, Paul, when the Vegas Raiders perfect go to
the Denver Broncos and battle to two and two teams.
What's the spread, please.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
Paul, Denver by three.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
Hmm, that's you, Matt and no Devonte Adams. The DeVante
Adams sweepstakes will percolate next week, as his Jets are
losing right now but have just scored to get back
into the game. I think Denver home wins that game.
What's the line, Paul?

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Three?

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
I like Denver to cover that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:43):
I'm gonna go audition by subtraction for some reason. Now,
I'll take Las Vegas on the road.

Speaker 6 (01:47:48):
I don't think either one of these teams is any good,
but I will take the home team, Denver Broncos and
Mile High.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
The other four o'clock game that we have on our slate,
the two and two Green Bay Packers are at the
Rams they're the best one and three team in the league.
Maybe the Rams, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:48:07):
Maybe it's a spread here, yeah, not based on who's playing.

Speaker 6 (01:48:12):
Green Bay is the road favorite by three.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
Green Bay's got some issues to with Romeo Dobbs apparently
UNHLF spended h and I will take but I'll still
take the Pack against the Rams.

Speaker 6 (01:48:25):
I will take the Pack too until the Rams get
somebody back. I just don't know how they find ways
to win games.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
And not that this is really gonna matter in my selection, Paul,
But what's the line?

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
Three? Okay, green Bay by three.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the Sean McVay led
l A Rams in this one.

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
I hope you are right because I like the law.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Okay, Sunday night football a good traditional game here if
you like NFL traditions, where the two and two Dallas
Cowboys are traveling to take on the three and one
Pittsburgh Steelers. It's still Fields a quarterback, right Yep. Wilson's
getting a little bit closer, but Fields is still the
quarter Wilson's healthy. Okay, they're going with Fields.

Speaker 6 (01:49:08):
I thought you were going to say this is one
right up, Paul, Zali because you know it's up your rally.
This feels like it's Super Bowl thirteen, Lyndswarren specials, John Stalwart,
super Bowl whatever ten.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
Yeah, you know, rematch what you do.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
That's when the game was a game.

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
I know, nothing before super Bowl thirty six.

Speaker 6 (01:49:29):
That's you know, nothing before the Week three of two
thousand and one season.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
Quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:49:35):
Pittsburgh is favored by two and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
Oh, that's crazy, that's Kit crazy. Who's up, craze, I'll
kick thinking that's actually me.

Speaker 6 (01:49:43):
Sorry, I'm gonna say term. I'm going to take Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
It's like a snake.

Speaker 6 (01:49:48):
It goes Mike me, you, Mike me you, and then
goes down on.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
The list in front of you met ns.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
Okay is it really?

Speaker 6 (01:49:56):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Okay, that's fair. Well you mean because of the standings.
Is that the way the order that you're going. Yeah,
that's the first time anybody said something that makes sense.
You know, you're talking about the snake. You know what
is this, Mike?

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
That's just the standings.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
And that's how Hardy always started with Mike and then
when Paul That's how Hardy used.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
To do it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
Matt, come on, yeah, no.

Speaker 6 (01:50:17):
He also used to drop a lot of calls, Matt,
and you don't drop calls, you don't take tell him
you don't shine shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
No, man, I practiced very hard on that. So did
you already go? I took Pittsburgh, Okay. I don't see
how the Steelers are favorite in this game. I know
everybody is dumping on Dallas, and probably rightly so. For
some reason or another, I just maybe I like Dallas
in this game.

Speaker 4 (01:50:40):
I like, yeah, I like Dallas too.

Speaker 6 (01:50:43):
No, Brandon Cooks though, right, No, he's on ir right
Mount Cooks, right, Mount Cooks, and they can't afford Devonte Adams, right,
I mean, how do you think he's gonna pay his mortgage?

Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:50:54):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
I know when he can fly that helicopter and land
it right in the practice field, you know, that was
probably a nice sign to the team, which brings us
to the main event, today's one o'clock match up, the
key Ac East game between the Dolphins of visiting Dolphins
and the host New England Patriots. Am, I first, you
are the Let's see currently it looks like Miami is

(01:51:16):
favored by one. Actually just went up to minus two.

Speaker 6 (01:51:19):
Well, we're gonna go with one, because that's what you
gave me on your little sheet here.

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
Wow, it is moving up by then, just got updated.

Speaker 6 (01:51:27):
So does this mean no?

Speaker 4 (01:51:28):
Never mind?

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Okay, there isn't a lot of intel behind this pick.
I'll tell you that because there's a lot not to
like about the Patriots going into this game. But I'm
wearing the Patriots jersey with pride today. I think somehow,
some way and is gonna try to find a way
and they're gonna get one here at home in a
much needed victory at home that Mike you so articulated
right out of the shoot this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
Yeah, I'm I'm gonna go Patriots too. It's like I
feel like a coin flip game. Big plays gotta shut
them down. But I'll take the paths plus one.

Speaker 6 (01:51:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna make it unanimous. You know, I don't
have a great feel for how either one of these
teams is going to come out and play. I think
there's a reasonable, more than reasonable shot that Miami is
not even here mentally at all. I think they're a
team that had aspirations and those have gone down the

(01:52:18):
drain with Tua's concussion, and I wonder if they're going
to even show up to play today, and I think
there's too much there. I think for the for the Patriots,
they have too much in their favor. I think they
win thirteen to nine.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
I gotta stop you there, for sake of Paul, you
really think after four weeks that that's how damaged Miami
is coming into this game. That's a real that's a
terrible indictment on the staff in the program.

Speaker 6 (01:52:43):
No, I think that they feel like that they had
a chance to do a lot of things and the
quarterback went down. Now it's a indisement of the staff
that they didn't have.

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
A backup quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:52:51):
But that's fair, that's fair, fair appointment, a fair point
because Mike White, Mike White thinks they'd be one and
three with Mike White. They they needed to go out
and get a backup quarterback, and they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
Derelict in their duty.

Speaker 6 (01:53:02):
To be honest with you, as much as I've sort
of been critical of Tyler Huntley, if they had just
gotten him originally and he had been there the whole summer,
I wouldn't feel the way I feel about him. That's
a legitimate guy who started ten games in the league,
at least in you know, I don't think he's a
great player, but at least he would know your offense
if they stuck with Mike White. To your point, at

(01:53:22):
least he started a handful of games in the league. Yes,
had no success, but he you know, the two guys
to me are not going to take you where you
want to go, White or Huntley, but they would make
more sense than Tim Boyle or Skyler Thompson on.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
All indications that they're just keeping the seat warm because
two is coming back, don't you think doesn't that seem
pretty evident?

Speaker 6 (01:53:42):
Yeah, but like if he comes back and then then
what like the first time he gets sacked, is that
like is that it? I don't know. I mean, I
do think he's going to come back, because I think
we will probably hear if he was, if he was
seriously contemplating retirement. I think that that would that would
be kind of getting some some energy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
He's traveled with the team, he's on the sideline, he's engaged,
looks like he's trying to help Snoop out.

Speaker 6 (01:54:06):
So maybe to your point, if they can somehow find
a way to win this game, have the buye and
then where do they have to have two more games?

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
Three, No, one more game.

Speaker 6 (01:54:16):
After that because he sat Seattle, Tennessee today, then the
bye week, the next game he'd have to sit, and
then he'd be eligible.

Speaker 4 (01:54:24):
At least I think that's their plan.

Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
So if they could win this game, yeah, and when
you kind of talk me into them having a little
bit more motivation than I'm giving you. See, like I listen,
I tell people all the time, I haven't met many
people in this planet that are more stubborn than I am.
I'm a pretty sub pretty stubborn guy. But I also will,
I will admit when I'm wrong, And I think you

(01:54:48):
just made a very compelling case for Miami coming here
with plenty of motivation.

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
Right real quick, Yes, yes, no, evan offensive line combination
in warm ups was what we said low left to
right low Jordan Leverett and when you Jacobs. So it
looks like that's what they're, uh, what they're starting things
off with. And it does sound like it is Mapoo
and Hawkins on the back end of the defense. So
Marty Mapoo jumping right back into an NFL game against

(01:55:17):
two of the most explosive weapons like to play a
full low too, that's a lot because he hasn't really
done anything since the very first day of camp. Well
he's still on, you know, doing the mental rep.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
So and you talk about the mental reps. Here I
read a quote, I think, when were the coordinators Friday Thursday?

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
Yeah, yeah, well coordinators were Thursdays, the coach offensive coaches
were Friday. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
So Covington was quoted as saying something when asked about Mapoo.
He goes, yeah, this guy's been that way ever since
I had him at the Shrine game. Always been very
very high on him. So he certainly exuded some confidence
coming from DeMarcus Covington about the player.

Speaker 4 (01:55:55):
He does give football nerd vibes a little bit. I mean,
just you always hear when people talk about him, they
always just kind of talk about his questions, like that's
just that that's been a theme when coaches talk about
Marte Mapu.

Speaker 16 (01:56:05):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
I think he does have a high level understanding of
the game, but he just hasn't really He's buried on
the depth chart kind of last year, you know, had
some growing pains. And I think this whole conversation about
how he fits, you know, whether I mean, the debate
rages on is he a linebacker, is he a safety.
I mean today, he's he's got to be a safety.
So we'll see how they deploy him. I mean him
and Hawkins just going to be what it's at GTFB,

(01:56:28):
like you know, back half field, but good I think so.

Speaker 6 (01:56:32):
Yeah, I think that's what it has to be.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
Right and and you know, he could have all the
football smarts in the world. I hope he's smart enough
to know that Tyreek Hill is fast, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:56:42):
And I will say map who is fast? Yeah, I
will say that he runs. Well, I'm not telling you
he runs with Tyreek Hill. I'm saying he is a fast,
rangy guy. If he if he's on it, you know,
he should he should help that that back end.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Mike, what was Doug or listed at coming into was he?
Was he in the questionable listing? He didn't he there's way.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
Oh he didn't practice at all. Yeah, I think we
all just.

Speaker 6 (01:57:03):
I was surprised they had him listed as questionable that
ya based on that?

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
How long is he out?

Speaker 4 (01:57:07):
Like? Do you think I don't know about dodging a bullet?
The old He's going to be okay, but he's going
to miss some time. I think is the Q so
A couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
I think it's interesting that all throughout the summer and
even into the beginning of the year, when you asked
Gerrod Mayo, you know about just what position do you
feel good about Girod And I think he always led
with the safety group, you know, and knowing there captain
and Dougar Pepper's you know, good leadership, good players and
everything like that. And now you're down to a guy
literally coming off the injured list to come in and

(01:57:37):
play significant time for you in a game that you
got to have today.

Speaker 4 (01:57:40):
And again I mean in the framing of didn't practice
all summer, I mean you're literally talking like the guy
had three practices last week and now he's about to
play in a game in the second season in the NFL.
It's it's a it's.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
A lot, And Paul, this is I don't know why
this one sticks to my craw a little bit. So
last week, no, so this week the coaching staff thinks
the other guys a better player.

Speaker 6 (01:58:03):
I think that. And I also think that, you know,
we talk about serious not serious. When City Saul went
down in Washington in the preseason game, I didn't like
the way it looked because it looked like a non
contact injury to me, and those can be significant and
everybody's like, oh, you know, you dodged a bully.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
He missed a Look, six or.

Speaker 6 (01:58:22):
Seven weeks, that's a long time. That's a serious injury. Correct,
And I think he probably was a little rusty last
week City, So give a whore time. Yeah, maybe give
him a little more time to get a little bit healthier.
And at the same time, I would say that Michael
Jordan was probably the best lineman that they had out
of the out of the five games that they played.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
Give me that left right again one more time, he
would please. Mister Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:58:45):
Sure, that's gonna be Viderian Low, Michael Jordan, Nick Leverett, Michael.
And when you and Demontree Jacob's on the right side,
so big Mike's at guard, Big Mike backing inside a guard.
And now you wonder a little bit, just as are
they going to have a third tackle type, They're gonna
have another one of those guys. I mean, they did
leveret at full back a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
We've seen your extra offensive lineman in a spot duty
kind of a place.

Speaker 23 (01:59:10):
Possibly, Yeah, lot of offensive. Yeah, you've always shelved that
and try to throw the ball. Patriots hosting the one
and three Patriots hosting the one and three Dolphins. We're
gonna have you covered throughout after the game. Join us
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