Patriots Pregame Show 11/10: Bears Preview, Inactives Analysis and Keys to the Game

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Good Sunday Morning, everybody on November tenth, twenty twenty four,
is It's the Patriots pregame social fueled by Dunkin Donuts
as they're getting ready to kick off. Well, Week ten
has already kicked off across the pond, where the lucky
Germans are getting a chance to watch the New York
Football Giants against the Carolina Peanters. But we're here to
talk about the New England Patriots. Going to the windy

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city of Chicago to take on the vaunted Chicago Bears
always brings back memories of Super Bowl twenty. We'll get
to that a little bit later. Paul Parrel on my left,
Mike duchhow Tamara Brown. Am I right, Ladies and gentlemen
looking forward to a little game today? Are we looking
at another potential winnable game for the Patriots, who could
certainly use a win today? I hope so.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
I mean, I think this game's gonna be a reflection
on the Patriots. I mean, it's gonna be reflection on
Drake May. I mean, you know, fair not fair. Caleb
Williams was the first overall pick. The Patriots got the
third overall pick. Sure, there's plenty of you know, people
talking about who you might rather have, but look, the
Chicago Bears put a lot of talent. I think around
Kayleb Williams and it hasn't quite translated just yet. But
I look to see the Patriots have a solid day

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today and show that, you know, to play for Drake
May a little bit and give him the support he needs,
because this game will be a reflection afterwards. We'll be
talking about how the two teams approach, building around their
rookie quarterbacks and what place those two teams are. So
I just we'll get into the keys in a second,
but that's a little preview of what I'm thinking.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
No, but don't you think they're playing from already, Mike,
don't doesn't that last play.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
It doesn't look it hasn't looked like it to me.
You don't think it looks like the same team. That's
kind of you know, struggling through ups and downs and inconsistentcies,
and you know, it's across the board. To me, it's
it's the coaching staff is you know, doesn't have these
guys ready to play. Some weeks, they're having you know,
ill time penalties still, like those things are still popping up.
So they've got to start to button some of these
things down. And I would just look to you know,

(03:26):
some of the defense to step up, get some stops.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Give this kid some.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
Turnovers, some short fields to work off of. Things they
haven't really given him. He's had no run game, you know,
to speak of. So to show I love what Drake
May has done. I feel encouraged about Drake May. I
just need to see something else from the rest of
the team.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Fair.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
I like what Mike mentioned his supporting cast, especially on offense.
But I'm looking at it, it's like, why in Drake
May's four starts, in three of them, he's been the
leading rusher.

Speaker 8 (03:51):
That's unacceptable.

Speaker 7 (03:52):
And I understand for the first one where Mandra Stevenson
wasn't available, but reminder, Stevenson has played the rest of them.
So for Mandre Stevenson, I need him to step up
and have a good game today. And I know it's
not all him. It's the offensive line, which I'm sure
we're going to get into.

Speaker 8 (04:06):
It's been a mess. The starting lineup for the offensive line.

Speaker 7 (04:09):
Keeps changing, so it's hard to have continuity to have
a good run game. But I can't have Drake May
today be the leading rusher. I think they could really
get ahead of the Bears today if they can wear
them down with a good run game.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, I don't really look at it like a lot
of other people. With the quarterbacks. I think both teams
are probably pretty happy with their picks, and I think
Washington is they're probably really happy with theirs too. I mean,
I think the really surprising thing to me about the
draft is it almost never works out this way. It
almost never works out that you have three quarterbacks taken

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in the first three picks, and you know, even ten
weeks in, you know, all three guys are probably like,
I think we made the right the right call here.
I think we have the right guys. So teams are
in different stages.

Speaker 9 (04:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
We talk about the weapons and stuff that Chicago has,
and there's no question that's the one big difference between
what May is dealing with and what Williams is is
Williams has guys to throw to. That's it, like they
have no semblance of pass protection at all.

Speaker 6 (05:12):
Well, it might be worse today because two guys are
outre Yeah, but both guys, both guys I think, spend
a lot of too much time and they'll learn playing
hero ball.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
The two quarterbacks extend plays. Tomorrow mentioned the leading rusher
aspect for Drake May that's not something that they want.
That's by necessity, like they have no choice if they
won't move the ball, if he doesn't run around making
these kinds of plays. So I expect to see more
of that. I expect him to be the leading rusher
again today.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
Ooh, And I mean with you, that's just that's that
one hard No, I mean from on it. If that's
the case, it's not a prescription. That's not a path
to victory.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
And it seems like they might it seems like they
might want to try to run the ball today, you know,
looking at some of the practice squad, you know, additions,
they they add another tight end of Mitchell Wilcox. Maybe
they want to play a little bit more to tight ends,
with one of them being Willcox, who's known as more
of a blocker than than Hooper or Henry. You know,
I don't you know, Chicago hasn't been great against the run.

(06:18):
But I need to say, I'm like Mike, I I
need to see that before I assume it's going.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
To It hasn't happened in so long, and I guess
since we're talking about it, let's at least throw it
out there we under any illusions that Michael who's going
to be playing left guard today.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
I mean, we saw some of it this week in practice.
I would hope that he's back on the right side,
you know. I think everybody reacted similarly when they saw
that continue juggling. We've heard a lot about we just
want to get continuity and have the same guys out there,
and it seems like they're finally able to do that,
and all of a sudden, then they tack perhaps being
forced to do so by some of the performances. I mean,

(06:53):
I think they want Leyden Robinson to be in there
and to develop into a starting guard for them, and
it seems like they're trying to force that kind of
to happen a little bit, to get him in there
as much as possible to get him. So we'll see
how it all shakes out today. But I just I
think we all agree, and we've said this for the
last two three years. I think the best spot for
Michael and Whnu is at right guard, and I wish

(07:13):
we could just get him to stay there and play solid.
And it doesn't sound like you're asking a lot from
a guy that you gave a lot of money to
that last offseason. But that's where we're at with a
lot of the team, and I'd put him as part
of this focus of supporting Drake may You are a
piece that we want to build around for the future.
Everyone believes that Michael Wnu is a good right guard.
We need him to be good. We need him to
be solid, We need him to be leading the way

(07:34):
for this offensive line that desperately needs leadership.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
All right, Mike, I'm going to write this down because
I want to come back to this because I think
you bring up a good point. So where does the
rubber meet the road on Leyden Wallace and develop or
Michael Winnhu in continuity. That's a big show Tase. We're
going to get to that a little later on. But first, Matt,
let's hit the keys of the game, please, And I
don't think that's one of them.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
You've waited all week for it.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
The whole teams in the locker room right now, just
listening to this, waiting to hear what you're going to say.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Here are the Patriots pregame socials keys to the game, all.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Right, key time, and I'm gonna go last, Paul, how
about that you can go first.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well, to me, this is all about taking advantage of
that terrible offensive line the Chicago has and that's been
the difference for Caleb Williams. When he has some time.
You've seen a lot of progress from him, you know,
from the first game of the year on through, but
too often he does not have any time. And I
think that's the key today for New England's defense. Get
some pressure on him. They do have some quality wide

(08:36):
receivers with Dj Moore and Keenan Allen and the rookie
Rome at Duns, so that will be a lot for
the secondary to handle if Williams has time to find
the matchups that he wants. So, to me, priority number
one to win the game is to put some pressure
on the rookie Caleb Williams, who has been prone to
try to extend plays and do too much, and that's
when he gets in trouble.

Speaker 7 (08:57):
Tamara, Well, my key is a copy paste of Paul's.

Speaker 8 (09:01):
Mine is work until the whistle.

Speaker 7 (09:03):
And when I say that, I mean when we talk
to Gerrod Mayo this week, one of the biggest things
he said was Caleb Williams likes to scramble and not
to get a first down with his legs. He's looking
to scramble and still make the throw down the field.
So when you're looking at Caleb Williams and his ability
to extend plays, you have to keep playing because if
you stop thinking like, oh, he's going to throw it
out of bounds or oh he's going to get sacked, No,

(09:24):
he's going to make a completion. And so if you're
one of these safeties somebody in the secondary and you're
not doing your until you hear the whistle, that can
end up being a first down. It could end up
being a touchdown. The last two weeks, though he hasn't
been as successful, as he had no touchdowns, his completion
percentages at forty nine percent. Can the Patriots keep him
on ice and force him to make mistakes. He's also

(09:45):
been sacked twenty nine times this season. Can the Patriots
take advantage of that? With those two offensive linemen out,
they have to keep playing until they hear the whistle.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Michael, just to quick comment on theirs, I just I
think it's interesting with their two tackles have been ruled out,
so I mean they are going to be tapping depth
along the offensive line. I just wonder how it affects
both the Patriots and the Bears in terms of those
backup players playing there for a lot this season about
trying to keep quarterbacks in the pocket. You might be
tempted to be a little bit more aggressive where you

(10:13):
have some backup tackles coming into the game today. At
the same time, though, I think keeping Caleb Williams in
the pocket and not letting him get outside and do
the things that he.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Loves to do.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
So it's tough because you're certainly tempted to go after
him to try to attack these tackles. But can they
do so can they ultimately err on the side of
keeping him in the pocket and containing him that It
just it'd be interesting to see how they balance that.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
So, so can you keep an edge or set an
edge and keep the pocket? Yeah, and ask Keyon White
to be the disruptor, Yeah, to pressure from you know,
from in the inside.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
And then finish him off, you know when when you
do finally get a hand on him.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
But it's it's tough.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
He's a good player and that's I think where he's
most comfortable on the move and making throws downfield. I mean,
the guy's talked about it this week Jonathan Jones said,
you can see gets outside the pocket. He keeps his
eyes downfield, so you always have to be aware of
those downfield plays. So I like their key a lot
of nuance, I think with those tackles out. But my
key is, uh what I hinted about at the top,
help out the kid. I want to see more support
for this kid. Can you know the wide receivers quit

(11:12):
it with the drops, with the false starts on third downs.
Can the defense get some more takeaways. I mean, they're
down the bottom quarter of the league in terms of
interceptions and takeaways, So I'd like to see some extra
opportunities for Drake mate. Does everything have to be so
hard for him, like Tamara said, where he's got to
carry the team on his feet and you know, run

(11:32):
leading the way rush. Can we get the running game going?
There's just so much. I got to feel better about
something at the end of these eight games here than
just Drake May I have to see some kind of
foundation where even if it's a little bit of chemistry
with one of his wide receivers or one of these
defenders that are getting chances to play because of injuries,
step up and are able to start to make some plays.
They need people to make good plays and stop with

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dumb plays around Drake. I just hope that they see
what this kid's doing out there, the energy that he's
playing within the leadership, that he's already showing, how much
is already on his shoulders. So I want the rest
of the team to stand to step up around Drake
may fairpoint.

Speaker 7 (12:07):
I like Mike's key, and one person I really would
love to help out the kid today is another kid,
Jalen Polk. Last week he returned being dealing with a concussion,
and for me, he didn't show up for the occasion.

Speaker 8 (12:21):
It's like, you're finally back out there.

Speaker 7 (12:22):
You finally had the chance to prove all the people
wrong after all of your drops, you know, mental humps,
whatever is going on, and you didn't have a single cat. Instead,
you had two penalties. So if anyone can show up
and help the kid, it's Jalen Polk. They came in together,
they spend a lot of time together. You would expect
them to have great chemistry. I'm hoping that changes today
and he can start working towards a comeback.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
So tomorrow you're bringing up a pet peeve before I
get to my key. So that is Jalen Polk. No.
Our friend Mike Greese, whose Sunday column Notes column is
a must read, well respected, widely respected all over the
National Football League, and the top of his calum today
was about Jalen Polk and a line in front of
Jalen Polk to talk to print reporters, TV reporters, requests

(13:05):
for interviews and the point that I made bully for
you for being accountable. How about zip your lip and
let your play do the talking. I don't need to talk.
I need to play. So, with all due respect to
all of you who want to hear from me and
everything like that, thank you, I'm actually not going to
talk today. Talk to him, Talk to him, talk to him.
I need to do a better job in the field.

(13:26):
That kind of that rubbed me the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Is he going to say that I need to do
a better job on the field, I would hope. So, Okay,
then that's I'm okay with that. Not talking not a
good move when you're not playing well.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
Okay, no, no, but but not don't you don't have
to be a jerk about it?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Oh did he was?

Speaker 1 (13:41):
He?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I don't?

Speaker 10 (13:42):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I mean I apologize, Mike. You know that I love you.
I did not know.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
He was very accommodating and very nice, and I've got
to do this. I've got to do that.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I know that I'm thumbs up on it.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
I know he's required to talk. I would very succinctly
say I don't need to talk. I need to play.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, I don't think he's required to talk. I think
when you're struggling, you talk, Okay, when things are going great,
that's when you say, you know what, I'm good.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
When when when you need, when you're not, when you're
going through something, When you know three weeks ago you
said you had the best hands in the league and
you haven't had a catch since you talk, he could
I think that's accountability. I like that, And I'm being
dead serious. I know I think that's I think that's
that's good as long as he wasn't again, I'm not
familiar with what he said. No, he said all the

(14:28):
right things, Okay, then then I think that's I just
think I think that's a good sign.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
I think he could have done it once and said
that's it for me, I, you know, filled my quota
for talking. I need to let my play in the field.
I need to do a better job in the field.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
So you think he talked too long, that's my point.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah, like taking in all comers who are talking.
That's my two cents. I wasn't there. Yeah, I wasn't either,
but I but I read from Mike that he was
very accommodating.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I like that, Okay, I do, and and I would say,
you know we're going to go back, do we did?
I step on your I.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Need to finish my key ahead. You're gonna hate it.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
No, no, no, finish finish the key, because then I want
to I want to get back to something that we
sort of started with the offensive line and great sort
of branch it out to the receivers, but I want
to finish the keys.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
You like fight songs.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Down there in typical I do not like I figured
as such, but this was for you hit. What I
do like is tradition because I'm old, so I'm not
in favor of like you know what, Mike, You're You're

(15:35):
ahead of that fancy Hollywood studio. I gotta task you
with the get us a fight, so.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Yeah, better.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I'm not a fan of that, but bear down, I'm
not a fan of that, but for one hundred years
it's been bear down, Toco bearris. I'm okay with tradition.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
I like that established. That is my key tradition. Bear down,
Like the coach says, how about a sense of urgency.
It's a little of an offshoot of yours. Mike, Yeah,
bear down, attention to details. I like it up, you know,
bear down, Let's go. George Pallis, I like that. And

(16:11):
I was trying to talk to one of those younger
whippers snappers the other day when we when the Ravens
are playing Cincinnati, and I said, do you know why
the Ravens have a marching band? They said, no, I
hate it. I said, because the Redskins are twenty minutes
down the road and they've had one for a hundred years,
so the Ravens need to have one too. Well.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
See, I always thought it was because of Baltimore Els
had a great march. He had a marching band, right.
It was the only team that I like a marching band, right,
which was kind of strange. I think the Ravens just
sort of inherited it.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
I think in the different market, like, I don't think
a marching band would work here in New England very well,
but I think in some markets, fine, what I have
to march?

Speaker 5 (16:48):
Can we just have like a rock band, you know,
like a team rock band. No one's ever done that before, right,
we're trying to think outside.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
You want to put together a band rap rap. There
you go. You're listening and watching the Patriots pregame show
fueled by Duncan. And here's a question for the crowd.
If your team runs on their fans, what do the
fans run on when you kick off your day with Duncan.
We're with you all the way to the end zone.
Michael Maker run to Duncan. He already did, by the way,
it's the official coffee run of a New England Patriots,

(17:13):
all right, Mike Paul's didn't wanted to get to a
couple of other things. I want to get back to
the offensive line and your point about Mike Awenu. Where
do you draw the line between developing lane walls, which
I agree with you, my apologize, my apologize. Where do
you draw the line from develop and do what you

(17:33):
can in order to win. You know it's not at
all costs, But where where does that line get drawn from?
Where you're developing, stick him where he's supposed to be,
and then keep going.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Sorry, I just splashed myself in the face with my
coffee here as we were doing that hot so it's well,
it's hot, but it's cold now, so luckily I didn't
burn myself, but thank you. I think that's the line, though, Matt.
We're starting to see right now, and and some of
some of the conversations and you know, starting to happen
a little bit of you know, how do you balance
some of these younger guys and giving them opportunities. H

(18:04):
you know, I'd love to get Cave Wallace back at
some point. I mean, he's he's it does sound like
he will return at some point. I think in a
perfect world, he's your right tackle of the future, right
I mean, you took the guy in the third round.
It's it's not too much to you know, kind of
hope and dream that that a guy you take at
that point, even if he's not that left left tackle
that you hoped he might have been when you drafted him,
that maybe he could. I mean, and that's the perfect world.

(18:24):
Leyden Robinson's your right guard of the future, or you know,
or your left guard of the future, and Wallace is
your right tackle the future. I just think at least
one of them needs to emerge as a player, because
that's look we've talked about it the last couple of
weeks at this and it continues at this particular moment.
The rookie class. It's not great. It's not great right now.
The performance is overall, I mean Drake May and then
you have a whole lot of things left to be

(18:46):
desired from the remaining guys, whether it's injuries or lack
of performance. But you know, you're starting to see guys
like Javon Baker get chances as well. So I assume
that's what they're doing today. They're putting Layden Robinson probably
back in there. They need to see improvement from him.
But again, another big challenge with this Bears defensive front.
They've got some guys up front that are going to
challenge this offensive line.

Speaker 8 (19:04):
And I feel like I'm cheering for continuity though.

Speaker 7 (19:07):
It's like for a while we've been waiting for Verdarian
Low to be healthy, and now that he's back and healthy,
it's like I would prefer you to focus on continuity
and having the same offensive line back.

Speaker 8 (19:16):
To back weeks.

Speaker 7 (19:17):
I know we do want to develop those young players,
but right now, I think that you have this continuity
that you can have, why not take advantage of it
while everyone is healthy well able to play.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
So, Tamir, that's the dance that Gerd Mayo and his
staff have to do. You know. They're the ones that
are in the locker room with the players every single day.
And I gotta believe that that's a tough dance to
sit there and say, no, we're gonna make another move
over here. And I can understand why people might say
why we do need the continuity. That's why I think
it's the utmost of patience that is required as this

(19:48):
whole group, be it the general manager, be it the
head coach, be it the players, they're all sort of
learning about this on the go, you know, and it's
not easy. It's not easy.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, I just I understand the state of flux the
offensive line has been in all year. It's pretty obvious.
I just feel like they need to find the five
best guys, and I think they're still searching for the
five best guys. I guess they're moving everybody around. Yeah,
And I think that's I'm probably I guess in a minority.

(20:21):
I don't have any problem if they think Mike Wenhu
has to move to left guard like the guard tackle thing.
He's a better guard than tackle right, So I understand that.
Is he a better right guard then left guard? Like
I don't, I don't know. I know sometimes those guys
have a hard time switching sides. He's done it, He's
been on both sides. I know he hasn't played left

(20:41):
guard in a while. But what I saw for Michael
Jordan last year, last week probably tells me he's not
one of the five best. So I think that's what
they're looking at. And if I'm going to have Michael
Jordan's struggle or Leyden robinson struggle, give me Leyden Robinson struggling,
you know, every day of the week.

Speaker 7 (20:59):
I thought it was interesting when Scott Peters was asked,
you know, what's the difference when you switch from right
to left, left to right whatever. He's like, Oh, it's like,
you know, if you're usually a righty but you're writing
thro your left hand. And then he was like, well, actually,
I don't want to say it's that difficult, but it's
kind of like that, And I'm like, yeah, if I
tried to write with my left hand right now, it'd
be pretty hard.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Even if I's right, that's not a good enoughgy.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
I was like, if even if I practice, it still
would never be as good as mine.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Some guys can do it, yeah, very easily, and some
guys have a really really hard time. You know, Matt
Light was one of the guys that could not do it.
He couldn't he couldn't switch back and forth. But there's
a lot of guys that have been able to, Uh,
if it ends up being you know, a win who
for Jordan, I don't have a problem with that. You know,
it sounds like it's not going to be that. It
sounds like he's going to go back to right guard.

(21:45):
I don't have a problem with that either.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
No, it's just it seems like once they got the continuity,
then the guard play started dropping off and they realized like, yeah,
we got the same guys, but we're getting poor performance
from laid Robinson, We're getting poor.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Performance of the items. Like no one really took into consideration.
It's like, yeah, you got the same guys that played.
You know. It was like I think it was twice
in a three week span, but was it really that good?
Like they have yet to have what I would call
a good performance from the offensive line. Some of you know,
the Jets game was a little better I think than
some of the others, but they've they've struggled for the

(22:19):
most part. I thought they were not good last week,
even after the switch from Robinson and sliding on one
who back inside. But the thing that kind of struck
me was when we're talking about at what cost you know,
Matt's thing about the rookies, and I think it's it's
a better conversation or it's sort of more relevant conversation

(22:39):
to have it at wide receiver and with the two
kids in Polk and Baker, are you how do you
sort of draw the line for that to say we
need to help Drake May and we need you know,
everything Mike has said about, you know, helping him out
is valid, But are you that much better off with

(23:00):
kJ Osbourne or Kendrick Bourne over those rookies and then
the difference in born in Polk. Might you make that
up with down the road if you can play six, eight,
ten games with May and Polk, that you're in a
better spot, you know eventually, right right now, It's like
Bill used to say, like the rookies are on the

(23:22):
way up, the veterans are already at that level. At
some point they're going to intersect, and that's when you
have to make a tough decision, you know, will that
rookie get past that and then you keep him over him?
Will Polk exceed what they're getting from Born soon enough
to allow you to play him? And I don't know
the answer. I'm just bringing it up as sort of
those are the tough decisions.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
I talked to someone.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
To talk to Tyler Hughes a little bit about this
one privately. I did for quite some time.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Actually, that's some great ques, to.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
The point where I kind of ran out of questions.

Speaker 11 (23:55):
Do you read any good books lately?

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Luckily counting Greedy? He came in and saved me, being
the true professional reporter who she is. Oh, that's a
good question, my mentor No, you're just in talking about that,
you know, sort of where does that line intersect? Like
can you get benefit out of playing Polk? And I
was talking more about Polk than Baker, but it was
interesting to hear him talk about that. They're both of

(24:17):
those guys are still very much in their plans, and
despite the you know, the the catterwauling from the fans
about you know, these guys being busts, I don't think
that the team looks at that.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
I feel similar along those lines, more with with Baker
or just trying to get Baker involved just to see,
you know, because I do think the coaches said this week,
I mean, Alex Van Pelt said that Jaymon Baker's got
some special movement skills to him. I mean, I think
we know he's struggling a little bit to adapt to
being an NFL professional player. Got some opportunities last week,
But I feel like Polk's going to be involved. Like

(24:49):
they just seem determined that they're going to try to
keep him in the mix. With Baker, it seems like
they could bury him a little bit if they didn't,
if they weren't really interested in trying to get him up,
they could continue to kind of roll, you know, with
Booty or give Thornton some chances. So I just I
want to see Baker continue just to get chances. I
think at this point, any of these young guys that
get out there and get opportunities, I think it's it's
a positive because you're trying, as the coach has told

(25:10):
you this week, we're trying to find out who's going
to be on board for the future.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
To your point, Mike, you know Baker had four snaps
last week, Polk had nine, Like, that's not enough to
figure out if these guys can play.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
Do you think that Thornton and Osborne are going to
be inactive again?

Speaker 6 (25:24):
Yes, yeah, yeah, And so I think that that's all
part of it. Tomorrow. I think they've made that decision.
And to Mike and Paul's point about how do we
get the young guys integrated, will you take these two
guys that probably aren't part of the twenty twenty five
team and let's take a look and see if these
guys can be a part of the twenty twenty five team.
I will tell you that week in and week out

(25:44):
when we ask for questions from the Fians to ask
Jirodmeyo for Patriots All Access, the number one question every
single week, when will Javon Baker play and get playing times?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Well, that's whatever someone's not playing. That's always the nose,
of course, because that's always the guy that's putting you
into the Super Bowl. Yeah, the guy who's inactive every
week is the guy that's the difference between you winning
and losing.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
I'm all I'm saying is there's interest, and I think
I think you guys make really good points to Mayor.
I think that those guys that I think Osborne, I
know he was being credited with being a good professional,
you know, because of his actions on the sideline in
Tennessee last week. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I
know Paul loves that kind of stuff, but I think

(26:24):
those guys are going to be stapled to avenge going forward.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
He didn't say, oh man, he caught it now, I'm
never gonna play no.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
I I do think though, just overall, it's probably one
of the minor lesser criticisms though you could have had
from the last couple of years. Was just when the
season gets to this point, now it's, you know, time
to look at guys like Marty mapul Rice made from
last year just and not extreme circumstances. They're a younger
team now, they have more of these guys kind of
in the background. I'd feel like and others have already

(26:54):
gotten opportunities because of injuries. But I think that's one
of the criticisms of get to the point of the season,
like we got to find out about all these guys,
let's get him in there in love play.

Speaker 8 (27:02):
Speaking of opportunities because of injuries.

Speaker 6 (27:04):
Wait, the only thing I was just was gonna say
is we talked about accountability and Javon Polk a Jalen
Polk again, the professionals they get paid. I just want
to give a little hockey stick tap to Michael Winu,
who admittedly has said he's not had a good year.
Part of that's probably from being bounced around so much,

(27:24):
but I think his willingness that they were going to, hey,
you might have to play left guard, you might have
to play right tack. This week, you might be playing
right guard. I think he's handled it very professionally. He should.
He's getting paid a lot of money. I just like
his accountability, and I just wanted to pass that along.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
That's it, Yeah, that's but that's how I feel about
what you guys have described about Polk. I think that's accountability,
and I think for a young guy rookie doing that,
I think that's really impressive. I've been a little critical
of Poke, so I want to be fair about it.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
Too.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
You know, I think that if if that's what he did,
he took on all commerce. That's not easy to do.
Matt lt never did it when Jason Taylor beat the
bag out of him.

Speaker 6 (28:03):
Well, I think what I bought that is it was
described in Mike's column as a car wash of people repeatedly,
it was Tamara Brown with some questions, then it was
Mike justso waiting in the wings, Then it was Matt Smith.
Then one statement, I got to do better see out there,
I'm going to practice would have been fine by me.
That's all.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Sounds like to me. Again, I wasn't there, but it
sounds like to me, I don't think he could have
handled it better. To Mayra, you don't leave someone wanting
to get their questions. And but no, no, I already
answered that one.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
Yet they're out, Okay.

Speaker 8 (28:39):
I was going to say.

Speaker 7 (28:40):
Another room that's getting a lot of opportunities because of.

Speaker 8 (28:43):
Injuries is the safety room.

Speaker 7 (28:46):
Not having Kyle Duggar for consecutive weeks, including today, has
opened the door for a lot of those young guys
to get reps, which obviously you would love to have
Kyle Duggart out there, especially with the way the defense
has underperformed this season, but I think that being able
to see a lot of these safeties, like maybe the
Dell Pettis, the Hawkins of the world play mapou now

(29:08):
that he's back in play, hopefully will be better for
the future, even though right now we do wish that
Kyle Duggar could play.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
So the Duggar thing I think is mildly interesting here,
and that you thought it was an ankle injury. He's
going to be already he's going to miss this is
now how many weeks in a row that he is
And I don't think he's on the horizon for coming back,
although Mayo said it's not a season ending injury. But
they miss him clearly, Yes, clearly they miss him. And

(29:34):
we talked about the lack of turnovers and everything like that.
I don't know how much of a ball Hawk is,
but he's been a BALLHWK kind of in his career.
I think that playmaking they're certainly missing that kind of
playmaking in the back end for sure.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Could I have a bad take, It kind of looks
the same with or without him to me, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (29:51):
I just I haven't seen like I disagree on you.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
You think you think you think they'd be running like
this with pep Peppers and Dugger back then?

Speaker 6 (29:57):
Oh oh Peppers.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh sorry, sorry, but Douga is a more physical player
in the run game than than Peppers. But yeah, I
didn't mean just step on you.

Speaker 11 (30:06):
I think did you say douggas were physical the Peppers
in the run game?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah? Absolutely, He's around the line of scrimmage more than
Peppers is in the run game. I think they miss
him a lot. Now, I'm not telling you that they
would be the record would be any different, but I
don't think they'd be allowing one hundred and sixty five
yards every game running. If they had those two guys
back there at safety, I think they they'd be putting
multiple guy, extra guys in the box and stopping this.
And I don't think they have the ability to do
that with with those with those kids, and I think

(30:32):
they're smaller, you know, I think Petrish. Yeah, I don't
really know what I mean. Aside from being an undrafted rookie,
I don't really I haven't seen anything from del Pettis.
I guess I'm that's another one. I'm the a hole.
I don't see it, but I do like Mapoo's versatility.
I just don't know, Mike. I think I kind of

(30:52):
feel like Mapoo the way you feel about Keon White,
Like I don't know exactly what it is he does.
You know, does really well. He does everything, but I
haven't really identified the thing that I like. That's the
way they should use him, because that's what he does
really well.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
Can you can you envision a safety room with Pepper's Dugger,
Mapoo and and maybe even Hawkins Like Hawkins's again, this
is the theme of the twenty twenty four Patriots. Guys
are being asked to do too much. I think Hawkins
is a nice little role player to have in there,
but he's not a sixty snap guy, no.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
I mean, I look, I agree with Paul's bigger point.
If they had their two main starters back there, it
would it would look better. But I just I feel
like the safety groups has been blowing coverages all season
whether he was in there or on in there, so
that they were giving up big runs whether he was
in there or on in there. I mean, he's definitely
a good player, yeah, and he's better than what they have.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
You're probably right, but I just.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
Don't feel like, Wow, this is so much different without
Kyle Doug Like, I totally echo what you just said, Paul,
and I feel kind of the same way. Literally yesterday,
hanging around watching some of that Alabama game last night,
I just literally just threw up Marty Mapu snaps like,
what has he been doing? Because I haven't really the
same thing. I haven't really noticed him and he plays
a lot of places, but I think it's it's the

(32:04):
bigger issue with the whole team is that they just
don't make plays.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
Table that point, Mike, I sense a lot of negativity
coming out of you so early this morning. Yeah, well, anyway,
time to go behind enemy I'd better play good.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
You know the view from New England, but what about
the view from the other side?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
And that's why you're a favorite pregame show guests. Yeah,
every year.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
And now you tell everybody that I was on with
you guys at twenty eighteen Thursday Night Football. Yeah, and
I was blowed out with the favorite.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
No time now to go behind enemy line?

Speaker 6 (32:34):
My god, it's got a ride by and we are
pleased to be joined behind enemy lines by Courtney Cronin
of ESPN and Chicago. Courtney, good morning and right out
of the bat, A real hard one for you. Give
me a little weather report in the Windy City today
as the Patriots take on the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 12 (32:54):
Courtney, are you there right around one o'clock? I think
right around one o'clock is when the wind is supposed
to pick up. It's about fifty eight degrees on the lakefront,
which obviously gets a little colder when you're on the
field because of how close you are to the water.
And you know, the conditions here are always different than
they are anywhere else in the city of Chicago. But

(33:15):
it's calm as of right now. But we are expecting
the wind to pick up here closer to kick off.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Hey, Courdey, just to start off, Braxton Jones Darnell Wright
both ruled out yesterday. What do you expect the Bears
to roll with it at the tackle position today?

Speaker 12 (33:29):
Yeah, They're in a really tough spot, guys, So they're
gonna probably have to go with Larry Boram once again
at left tackle. He wasn't great there last week. He
was just activated off of injured reserve. And that's a
really tough spot for the team to be in because
they don't really have other tackle depth Jake Curran, who
was called up from the practice squad last week, did
did you know what he could in a couple of

(33:51):
snaps playing for Darno Wright at right tackle once he
went down with injury in Arizona. So they're gonna be
moving guys around. And you know, some injury news that
popped up this morning was that Nate Davis, who is
a reserve at this point, he was a starting, a
starter for this team, was benched highest paid offensive lineman
on this roster, but they have determined that he suits

(34:12):
them better, you know, suits them better in a role
on the bench than anything else. He was ruled out
this morning with a back injury that popped up. I
guess the one silver lining for the Bears with the
offensive line is that they do get Ryan Bates back.
He was activated off of injured reserve officially on Saturday,
and where he starts is kind of the mystery. He

(34:35):
would think, given his experience at center, that they would
love to have a little bit of an upgrade there,
But I just don't think they want to move that
many guys out of position. So I would imagine if
they can get him at right guard and maybe move
Matt pryor to one of the tackle spots. That could
be how they roll today.

Speaker 7 (34:52):
Courtney's sticking with the offense and looking at Caleb Williams.
You know, only twenty four points combined in their last
two weeks and both of those losses. What is the
common denominator there? You know, his completion percentage just forty
nine percent. He has no touchdown passes. What's going on?

Speaker 12 (35:08):
It's a great question be if we've been trying to
figure it out and have been set a lot of
cliches from the coaching staff, and as they're trying to
figure it out too, it's kind of confounding. You have
an offense that has so much more talent by and
large than it did a year ago, yet they're were
statistically in most categories than they were in twenty twenty

(35:28):
three when they had a different coordinator, they had a
different quarterback, and they had less talent at that position,
at the wide receiver position. So I think that this
is a situation where the scheme is just not matching
up to the strengths of the players right now, and
that's a tough spot for them to be in nine
weeks into the season, when when Frankly, you'd be making

(35:50):
changes that you've been rolling with on a week to
week basis, and I think it's hard to get establish
continuity when you're doing that at this point of the season.
So they've got to be able to get run the
ball so then they can start getting DJ more his targets.
And he is getting targets. It's just him and Caleb
Williams have not been on the same page. And Caleb's
never really had these inaccuracy issues that we're seeing now

(36:12):
at any other point in his career.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Courtney, I just want to know your thoughts on why
you think that might be happening. Is it more on
Caleb Williams or is it the problems that we talked
about on the top with the offensive line and the protection.

Speaker 12 (36:26):
It's I hate being cliche myself, It certainly is all
of them, all those things, but let's start with the
offensive line. So he was one of eight last week
on passes that you know traveled fifteen or more air yards.
When you don't trust your protection and you're getting all
of these having all of these negative plays, you're in
a situation where you know you're backed up and it's
third and forever. You don't really have the time to

(36:49):
drop back and pass and and you know, get this
deep passing game going. So I think the inaccuracy issues
for him there are kind of expected, but then you know,
it just does something's not clicking there. There's a big
mystery as to why he and Dj Moore, who has
spent so much time together, and really when you take
a look at DJ's track record, this is the guy

(37:09):
who's supposed to be able to, you know, make any quarterbacks. Laura,
she had twelve different quarterbacks throwing him passes between you know,
his his six seasons prior to this year. Whether it
was justin fields Entyson Agent last year in a career
year for him, or whether it was the you know,
all the quarterbacks, double digit quarterbacks that he had in

(37:30):
Caroline and he had three thousand yard season, then it's
just not adding up. So I would tend to believe
that this could be you know, a rookie quarterback who
might be doing you know, might not be completely all
the way comfortable in the offense. Just yet what do
you expect. I mean, Drake may is going through it too.
This is normal for rookie quarterbacks. But there's just I
don't know if they're scheming him the past concepts here

(37:51):
are they feel very disjointed. I don't feel like they're
putting him in the best situation to get him the
easy completion, to force him into taking the check down
at points, because it looks like he's going for the
big play more times than not. What you saw last
week on that back shoulder pass that went to DJ Moore,
at least it was supposed to go to DJ Moore,
but he was running up the field going vertical, and

(38:12):
those two were certainly not on the same page. From
that regard.

Speaker 6 (38:15):
I hear a lot of not clicking scheme questions. So
what's the mood there, Courtney. You hear the you know,
the hot seat stuff for the coaching staff. What's the
mood of the team is they look to play the
Patriots today.

Speaker 12 (38:29):
It's interesting because we've heard a lot about the meetings
that have been taking place, and you know, in my
experience covering teams that you know are are clicking and
don't have these question marks, you don't usually hear about
what's going on in team meetings. Guy speaking up and
voicing frustrations with the way that the execution's going or
you know why certain things are called on certain plays.

(38:51):
So I think that you have to you have to
like take give that credence, but also realize there's still
a five hundred team right now. I know it doesn't
feel like it, given how many things have gone wrong
for them, but there's still in a position where they
can improve to one game over five hundred a day
before they start the hardest stretch in their schedule, which
starts with Green Bay coming into town next week. Like

(39:13):
they they didn't do themselves any favors. Who ever drew
the straw for them and the scheduling gave them the
best ten games to start out with and then the worst,
the worst remaining schedule because it is the hardest going
beyond week eleven.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
So with all that being shed, how about a pick
for today, Courtney.

Speaker 12 (39:30):
You know, I think just based on where both teams
are right now, the Patriots are I think in a
worse spot like buy and large along the offensive line.
For as much as we've talked about that this morning,
it's still I think worse for New England today. So
I'm going to pick the Bears at home. I don't
think it's going to be a very high scoring game,
maybe twenty one seventeen, but this has got to be,
I mean, for Chicago's sake, this has to be the

(39:52):
week that they get back on track, because again it goes,
it gets really really difficult next week.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
Courtney Cronin from ESPN watch her on Around the Horns.
She does a terrific job. Courtney, thanks very much, enjoying
the game today and thanks for all your expertise.

Speaker 12 (40:04):
Thanks guys, have a good one.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Thank you, Courtney. Yeah, it's interesting, like the whole I
feel like it's interesting how the two young quarterbacks are
dealing with a lot of the very same issues I
told you, like the the one major difference is that
that Williams has the advantage of having some quality players
to throw the ball to. But in either regard, it

(40:28):
doesn't matter. And you look, I mean, Caleb Williams has
played every game, he's I think he has five picks
and two lost fumbles. And Drake May's played four games
and he has four picks and two lost fumbles. Like
that's a result of trying to do too much, not
having the protection and just being a rookie, you know,

(40:48):
Like that's a lot of turnovers in a short amount
of time for Drake may for you know, as many
plays as he's made. So I think they're dealing with
a lot of the same stuff. And I think they
have talent. I think that I really like Caleb Williams
his ability, But it sounds like old friend Shane Waldron
might not be long for Chicago. I tell you, no

(41:12):
Green Bananas.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
Yeah, it's the old expectation game, Paul. I think the
Beer is expected to be further along than they are,
even with bringing in a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
But I like the comment that Courtney made about the
scheme doesn't seem to fit the talent. It's the same
kind of stuff that we worry about here.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 6 (41:31):
We are about five minutes away from inactives today, and
who should we be keeping an eye on on the
inactive list? We know Dugger is not going to play,
and Christian Ellis, I.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
Mean, probably just some depth guys, I would guess, you know,
I mean, they have a couple of new players that
they've that they brought in, so I would guess.

Speaker 6 (41:50):
We need to talk about him a little bit later on,
maybe after the break. But on Ellis and I say
this With all due respect, I don't think many Patriot
fans were going to talk about him as playing a
key role back in September, But he's turned himself into
a nice little role player, and I think his somebody's
got to take those snaps that else is gonna be missing.
So that's just another depth piece we are going down

(42:11):
and potentially going down.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
I think Ellis too, especially because he took the snaps
away from Raycon McMillan, who is no longer on this team.
So now with both of them not doing it, it
definitely is a question mark.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
Of like who's going to take more taki taki tan
time for some taki takis uh am i am. I
go back last night with mop who I to catch
a little bit of of taki taki. He can run well,
I mean I said the same thing about Ellis last week.
I think as a special teams guy, he's got some
speed to him. But their struggles at the second level
this season without Jawan Bentley have been It's just a

(42:43):
huge part of why this defense has struggled. And you know,
I was still surprised to see ray Kwa McMillan. I've
been as critical of him as anybody on this team.
And it's just you see, it's a hard way to
live when you're inside linebackers who are traditionally going to
be the guys who make the plays and run around
and make the tackles. They can't because either the defensive

(43:04):
line isn't holding up their blockers enough or your linebackers
aren't smart enough or fast enough to beat the blockers.
And you know, you're consistently seeing guys on the second
level getting blocked, and that's why you're seeing a lot
of explosive runs. That's what happens. You get running backs
free up into the second level, those linebackers get blocked.
Now they're in the third level and it's you know,
challenge for the defensive backs to tackle the running backs.

(43:25):
So we'll see if Taki Taki can emerge. I mean,
it seems like they've been slow playing him a little
bit there. They still seem they're anticipating his return. That
can hopefully maybe provide a little bit of a boost.
But I think it would make a huge difference if
he's able to come in and make him play.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
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Speaker 6 (47:38):
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ma dot com. It's half past the hour, which means
it's at active time, and that means it's Tamara Brown time.
Who do we got not playing today?

Speaker 7 (48:11):
Tamaraw no surprises for the Patriots not playing today.

Speaker 8 (48:14):
It was the typical ones we discussed earlier.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
Kyle Duggar, Christian Ls, Eric Johnson, Taekwon Thornton and Gakway
and Tyres Robinson and as always, Joe Milton is the
emergency quarterback for the Bears. Though we've talked about their
offensive line with Courtney Cronen earlier, their actives are out
as well. It's gonna be darneld Right out, Braxton Jones out,
Durrell Taylor out, Nate Davis out, Kieran.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
I'll go for it, you got it.

Speaker 8 (48:38):
I can't do it.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
I mega Dodgy, Oh, I love it.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
That's a boring Jaquon Whisker and Noahs. Well so on
there in actors.

Speaker 11 (48:48):
Alone, they have a daylyss Thomas.

Speaker 7 (48:51):
They have four offensive linemen on there and actives. Corny
Cronin hit the nail on the head for what type
of day this could be for Caleb Williams again this week?

Speaker 6 (48:58):
So tomorrow when I see the Patriots in an active list.
The one thing that pops to mind. We touched on
it just a little bit previously. kJ Osborn up.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
He's up, But does that mean we'll see him because
I feel like there's been another game before where he's
been up, but he didn't actually get any snaps in
the game.

Speaker 8 (49:13):
He was just on the sideline.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
I will see how it plays out. I mean, like
I said, I want I want Baker. I want to
see him try to get Polk involved. I mean, those
two guys right now are are the priority in my eyes.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
Right The Bears have shown a willingness to make you
bring it out and they don't mind defending the kickoff
return Mike. Be a spot where we see Javon Baker
at least try to prove himself today.

Speaker 7 (49:34):
Yeah, especially because special teams is where a lot of
people have gotten these reps to then start playing in
their position group. I mean that was Christian Ellis, that's
Javon Baker, it could be Jaheim Bell. That's we heard
the tight ends coach talk about that this week. That's
how he's gotten his way on the field. So special
teams is a good way to show that you know
you have good lall security as well. That's an area

(49:55):
where you know our Patriots wide receivers and tight ends
need to show that as well.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
So yeah, it looks like, yeah, real quick, it looks
like the Bears two are just gonna have seven dressed
offensive alignments, so very very thin day for them. If
injuries were to strike, they will be scrambling a little bit.
Just something more.

Speaker 6 (50:10):
There should be a point of emphasis and attack for
the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Again.

Speaker 6 (50:13):
You can email the show at podcasts at Patriots dot com.
We're gonna go to the electronic mail. First out of
the shooter is our dear friend Claire in the UK.
You could listen to a podcast a clear perspective. Who
writes good morning Marine, Okay, not anybody else? Do you
guys have any opinions? This is why I bring this
up on the usage of the tight end Bill he
seems more of a gadget player, kind of overlapped in

(50:35):
the positions. Surely that's the sort of guy that they
could do, they could use now. I don't ever, I
don't pretend to be a draftnick or anything like that.
His gadgetry or kind of jack of all trades offensively
has always intrigued me. That kind of player, he was
productive in college. I'd agree with Claire. I'd like to
see what more we can do, and I think he's

(50:56):
starting to make some strides. We saw a little bit
of him last week on special teams, which maraw you
made the point that's where you got to make your bones.
He had a block on the Jones punt return had
to catch, albeit for not much. I'd also like to
see a little.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Bit more of Geene Belleah. Absolutely very athletic guy. I
mean that's what stood out to me instantly. You don't
usually have high expectations for a seventh round pick, but
started to see him show up a little bit in
the preseason. I mean some of those plays and wasn't
even like him actually making the play, which is like, man,
he really ran down the field fast there. You know,
those are the kind of things that catch your eye first.
So you know, Austin Hooper on a one year deal.
It's the kind of thing where in a perfect world,

(51:30):
Jahiem Bell gets some reps here through the last eight
games and he's ready to maybe step up and take
that TE two role next year.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
Happy Sunday morning out to Pat from Agawam, who joins
us next to the Patriots pregame Social Field by Duncan.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Good morning, Pat, Good morning everyone, Hey Patty morning.

Speaker 17 (51:49):
So I wanted to bring something up and then just
draw out a question to you guys. The two wide
receivers we took. I don't care which one. I just
want to see one of the guys like finish season strong.
I don't even care if it starts this week, but
I would like to think that we can at least
get on one of those guys. But the question I

(52:10):
have for you guys going into this game, we know
the Bears run defense is and all that great.

Speaker 18 (52:15):
Do you think, even.

Speaker 17 (52:16):
With all the switching going around on the offensive line,
do you think you would sound the alarm bells if
we don't have somewhat of a productive game this week
against this team, and I'll take it off air and
talk to you guys in the postgame show.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
Thanks for the call, Pat, And I think the alarm
and the bells have already been sounded. It has been
alarming the lack of productivity on the run game. So yes,
there's a lot of things before the ball's even kicked
today where you would say, this is someplace where we
can try to make some Hey can they do it?
That's why they play the game.

Speaker 7 (52:48):
Yeah, especially watching that Cardinals game James Connor do whatever
he wanted to do last week, So why can't that
be Hermandre Stevenson today.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Yeah, I also think two part of it and Paul.
This is Paul thing I hate bringing up without him
here because we get him cooking and he'd be all
fired up about it. But a lot of the questions
this week about the run game were like, man, it
seemed like you guys really had to go in the
first couple of weeks. And I think we all watched
games in those first couple weeks where it felt like
Remandre was dodging the guys in the.

Speaker 11 (53:14):
Backfield and dragging guys with him, and you know.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
It's never looked that good as far as the run game,
and so I don't have an expectation for it to
suddenly happen. I'd love it too, and I know that
they are dying to get it going, and every offensive
lineman that we heard from this week, it's a huge
priority for them. They totally understand everything that we talk
about on these shows about what does it look like
with Drake when you have a running back who can

(53:37):
get you know, a running game, I should say that
can produce yards and produce a balanced offense, so you
now have play action opportunities and you know, it just
opens up everything. I'd say Alex Van pelts offense too specifically,
it's it's very dependent on everything kind of working in
conjunction with each other, and when you don't have one
piece working at all, it undercuts the rest of the offense.

(53:58):
So that that's the great question to me. Can they
have a game where they're a productive run game, where
the running back is not being hit in the backfield
there are actual holes being opened up. As Tamara said,
if you watched that game last week with the Cardinals
and James Connor's you know, not even touched before he's
getting five yards downfield. You know, those kind of things
happen in the NFL, and it's time for the Patriots
to start putting together those kind of games because it's

(54:19):
eight games left. Now is the time to start to
show that they're building something here and it's not going
to be a totally lost year other than just Drake.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
May Okay not making an excuses for him. Quinn Williams
two weeks ago, Simmons last week, sweat this week run
stuffing players?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Are the Patriots going into this game saying we're going
to bang our head against the wall. We're determined with
the elevations that we've seen, you know so far, we're
determined against a poorly ranked run defense. We've got to
commit to it and we're gonna sell out. We're gonna
commit to the run.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
Yeah, I just I mean, I don't know how much
of a difference Mitchell Willcox makes in sparking you know,
your run game. So it's great in theory that you
know that's what you're gonna try to do, but it's
the NFL. It's every week. There are these guys up
front that you have to deal with, and you know,
certainly this week with it. Sounds like sweat miss last week,
sounds like he's back in the mix, so he should
be back in. And Gavon Dexter as well, like, you know,

(55:14):
two really big, disruptive guys up front. So it's just.

Speaker 6 (55:21):
I got, I got, I understand. But he's a very
good you know.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
He's a very good, big mobile linebacker who you know,
shuts down runs. And that's that's what the Patriots problem
has been. So it's just at a certain point, every
team is pretty good. You've got to find a way
to at least establish a baseline. And I've said it before,
like the last week or so. You know, there's certain
teams that are in the bottom five of the league,
and then there are a lot of teams that somehow
find a way to at least be marginally productive. And

(55:46):
I feel like over recent weeks the Patriots have trended
like one of these bottom five teams. They can't really
get anything going. Can they get to just it doesn't
have to be overwhelming and they don't have to run
all over the Bears like the Cardinals did, But can
they do enough? Maybe even like going back a couple
of weeks ago against the Jets, where it wasn't a lot,
but it was over one hundred yards and it was
effective in places, and you know, you'll take that incremental growth.

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You know, this week out span Pelt said, I feel
like we took two steps back this week, and that
to me really stood out. So maybe they can take
those two steps forward and start to get things going
on the ground, because it really might make everything blossom
around it.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
Which ties it to our email from Oliver in London,
who asked with predictions at the beginning of the season,
seeing the Patriots anywhere between two and five wins. It
seems like we're back on track to fall within this range.
If the Patriots end up close towards the latter, say,
four or five win season, would you classify this as
a success if you're thinking about performance, I would assume
that we get there with performances similar or slightly better

(56:40):
than today. Many thanks from Oliver. Is there seven to
win teams in the National Football League? O?

Speaker 5 (56:46):
I think so?

Speaker 6 (56:46):
Yeah, right, so there's a lot of bad there's a
lot of bad teams.

Speaker 11 (56:50):
On TV right now, right right, yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
I mean, you know, I hate in the offseason people,
what's your what's your schedule? Prediction. You know, like, what's
your season prediction for the record, And it's so hard
because you don't know when are you playing you know
when are you playing certain teams? And you know this
week this team was missing their starting quarterback. You know,
you play Miami without Tua. You know all the different
factors that go in. But we get to this point
in the season now where it's we're closing in on Thanksgiving.

(57:13):
We all know the cliches about this is when you
know you really start to play your best football. But
we get to where the Patriots are now two and seven.
I say that I want them to win games. Now
you I want to win games. I don't want the
first overall pick. I think this year it's really going
to be hard to move that first overall pick them
to maybe win five games, you know, try can they
win three more games out of this final eight. I

(57:35):
know it might be asking a lot, but I think
then you start to have some belief in the program
that guys are getting better. I assume that they wouldn't
do that just because Drake May was the only good player.
I assume that if they were to win three more
games this year, other guys have stepped up and you
just end the season with a little bit of a
positive feeling like you got some momentum going that That
to me would be ideal.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
How about one game at a time I can. Let's
try to get a win today. I like it all right,
We'll be back to talk about more as Paul's return
from one of his shows. We'll be back with more
of the Patriots pregames social fueled by Duncan right after
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Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Now live from our studios, here is Matt Smith.

Speaker 10 (01:01:56):
Boy San.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
As we look back at Super Bowl twenty, this is
when the Bears in the Patriots game really mate was
It's for all the marbles and the Patriots got Wallach.
Super Bowl twenty in New Orleans, Poor Grogan took a
savage beating William the Refrigerator Perry had to pile it
on as the Bears, in my opinion, that was the

(01:02:19):
best single season NFL team that I've seen play. They
were dominant, They'd beat the bag out of our Patriots
in those classic great uniforms at Super Bowl twenty. Maybe
for a little bit more of an upbeat Patriots Bears
time we go to twenty years ago today, Chris judge,

(01:02:40):
if we can advance in Champagne, Illinois, one of the
great finishes in in otherwise disappointing two thousand and two
year Brady to the late great David Patton. Yes he
got both toes in, Yes he made the catch, and
the Patriots went on to come back from behind to
beat the Bears in Champagne, Illinois to marriage just a

(01:03:02):
little Patriots Bears history lesson for you on a couple
of interesting games in that game, as pointed out by
our good friend Nick Poppolo, was twenty years ago today,
the Bears and Patriots in Champagne, Illinois. I digress for
a second.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
I mean the music was that that. I felt like
we needed the.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
Football, need a better voice of mind.

Speaker 11 (01:03:21):
It's up three zero in Super Bowl to need a better.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Voice in Mindmbers were winning right there, they were winning,
and then Richard.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
Three zip and then it all went down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Those my two memories. I have a lot of strong
memories on those two games. It would be the first
would be what Mike just prefaced. You know, they come out,
Bears fumble on the first play from scrimmage, and I
was convinced this is Bears. Then Easton failed to throw
a touchdown pass despite three golden opportunities to do so,
and they had to kick a field goal, and I said,

(01:03:52):
well that was fun.

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
Yeah, it was this game.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
Did they have Miller Light back then?

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
I think they had bud Light, which is easy to drink,
easy to enjoy. Bud Light is the official beer sponsor
doing the Patriots. I can tell you that there was
a young whipper snapper named Matt Smith in the end
zone in attendance at super Bowl twenty At that game,
whatever money he didn't have poured into a thirty dollars
a night hotel room. A friend of mine from Chicago
had a ticket for me to go there. I was

(01:04:19):
happy to be there, not happy to see the Patriots
get limb based.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
It's one of my regrets now is there were a
couple opportunities when I was a young, young single dude
to go to a Super Bowl, you know, randomly, like
just to take a trip maybe to you know, super
Bowl thirty nine, thirty eight, like I didn't have anything
going on, I had no kids, like, I don't know.
I wish I had taken advantage of those opportunities, especially
super Bowl forty nine because I was in California and
it was in Arizona, so you know, we're talking about

(01:04:43):
maybe driving and had some friends we get tickets and
didn't didn't end up coming through. But still never been
to a super Bowl, and it doesn't look like I'll
be going to one another.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
I'd say that you little faith they're gonna turn it around.
Paul will welcome you back, and this email from Joe
is for you. Hi, Joe, how does talking or not
talking to the media make someone play better? At some point,
focusing more on football isn't having any effect. Bandwidth is
a real thing. You at least need to have the
balls and ideally evidence to say you think Polk isn't

(01:05:14):
working hard if you want them to stop talking to
the media. Otherwise you sound like an angry parent says
a child to go to your room. I don't want
to look at you right now. Yeah, that's intended for me,
which is that's fine. I'll take that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
No, I'll take it. I totally agree with you. I
think accepting responsibility, Joe is part of what you're supposed
to do. I applaud Jalen Polk for not going to
hide in this locker like a lot of guys do
when things aren't going well. I think it was a
sign of maturity. I'm with the email or one hundred.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Okay, there we go, uh eight fight five Pats five
hundred is a number. Let's go to DeShawn now in Virginia. DeShawn,
we welcome you to the Patriots pregame Social Fuel by Duncan.
Good morning, Toshan work.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
So you guys, how you guys doing fantastic.

Speaker 18 (01:06:00):
Based I wanted to touch on this. I hear a
lot of talk about, like as far as certain players
we don't have when it comes to God like dugger
like that reason, I'm kind of disappointed because I think
that we should have went on in by training a
lot of these guys that we could stock file pick.
Shall we try to rejuvenate this this roster because even
though all the problems that the Bears have, they're not

(01:06:21):
going against any fear of some passwords from the Patriots.
So I feel like they were still end up blowing
us out because I how bad and his roster is.
So I think that if they would have got rid
of from God whatever and then try to get the
first pick, you can try to trade that ated off
this roster. So these guys look terrible.

Speaker 6 (01:06:40):
Do Sean? Thank you for the phone call which brings
us and leads us into the move that the Patriots
made late Friday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
That can I just ask a question, sure, if your
players are all so bad, how do you restock your
roster by trading them?

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
That's why I was moving.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
Along twenty seventh round conditional picks right, So.

Speaker 6 (01:06:59):
A head scratcher to some was the late Friday afternoon
move with the Patriots picked up a veteran defensive lineman Tamara.
So you're shaking your head, your thoughts. First, you can
lead it off.

Speaker 7 (01:07:12):
I feel like I'm gonna mess up his name? Can
you pronounce it again? How many times did you practice
that before?

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
You you can pronounce, and you can't pronounce Chandler, Jones.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Chance, Chandler, jump, Chandler, chocolate Chandler.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
That way, I can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
I call it Chandler. I can't. I call it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:37):
Like who's on our content? Yeah, I'm a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
I was a little bit like shocked because you could
have just kept Like why wouldn't you just keep a
guy who's already been in your system? You already know
what you have out of him. You didn't really get
much for him in the trade either, so it's like,
why don't you.

Speaker 8 (01:07:59):
Just keep what you already have? That was my thought, like,
now because now you have to teach this guy the defense.

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
He's not available today, whereas Jay could have played today.
So that was my thought of like, it's kind of
just you let a guy go to put the same
kind of guy in his role, but.

Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
Around the horn.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
I mean, to me, it just feel like we've got
to we want to give us give ourselves a chance
to be competitive on third downs. I mean that's you know,
I just I don't think they've had edge rushers all
year long. And you know, as much as you want
to put Jennings into that role and make him a
three down guy, I just I don't think he's got
that kind of juice. I don't really know if and
Gackway's got that juice yet left either. I mean, he's
been unproductive coming off a big ankle injury last year.

(01:08:39):
You know, it wasn't really doing much for the Bears.
I mean as far as scheme stuff like, he just
he's kind of a hand down defensive endle get the quarterback.
I think that's how they'll they'll use him. But you know,
like I said, all year, I just think their pass
rush has been, you know, below the level. I get
why they moved Uce, I don't know I did. The
move didn't really move me either way. I just my
biggest question was, doesn't Goatway really want to be here?

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
Is he you know, because he's an older guy probably right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Goes from Baltimore where he's you know, feels like he's playing.
But he's kicked around the league for a few years.
He's on his last chances, so we'll just see how
motivated he is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
I would just say that if he couldn't do anything
in Baltimore on a Super Bowl contender, like, I don't
know how he fixes those things that you're lacking. I
totally agree that they're lacking edge presence, but I just
don't think he's that anymore. He's stunk last year in Chicago,
he's done nothing this year in Baltimore. Great career. I
love the player, correct, I absolutely love the player. In Jacksonville.

(01:09:29):
Early in his career, he was a he was a problem,
he was a difference maker, the.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
Player for the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
When he played for he had he had a decent
year like four years ago, three years ago, Yeah, for
the for the Colts. But he hasn't been the guy
he was in Jacksonville, and he's bounced around. He's been
on like five teams since. That tells me something too,
And I just I just don't know if he gives
you that stuff that you're lacking I again, I agree
with Mike that they're lacking an edge that I would

(01:09:56):
rather see them play Anthony Jennings and and just see
Like I don't think much of Anthony Jennings as that
kind of a guy that the edge rusher. I don't
think that's what he is. But what was it last
game that he all of a sudden he played like
all the snaps and like this last games. Keep him
out there and see if maybe he can find something,
maybe he can develop something.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
I mean, I how did you put it that this
didn't move me?

Speaker 11 (01:10:19):
He didn't really move me that much. I agree it's body. Uh,
to be honest, I was more.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
Interested with ray Qua McMillan getting released, and uh, you know,
like I said, I've been I've been really critical of him.
But still, I mean, it's a guy who was even
though his defensive snaps were dropping off the cliff the
last couple games, he was still almost in every down
Special Teams player for you. So I mean, it's just
a guy who was playing. That's why I just found
it a little bit surprising because they don't even really
have the depth. So I'm sure the coach could asked
about that next week, because despite his math performance, I

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felt like he was always one of the coaches just
kind of favorites anyway. They like his personality. I mean,
they kept him around for like he lost two seasons
here completely to injury, and they still kept signing into
contracts because I think they just liked the guy. So
that's why I was just a little bit, you know,
jarring at this point when you're already lacking depth, you're
already putting special teams players in at linebacker that you
know he would be one guy that that was out

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that that to me was the bigger surprise of that
whole that went down yesterday.

Speaker 7 (01:11:14):
I agree with you too, especially with like ellis not
playing either this week. It's like you thought you would
have kept ray kwand to maybe put him in his spot.
I don't know, I'm confused.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
I just wonder if they gave up, if they're like,
he just he can't play anymore and we need to
at least, you know, And.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I haven't seen anything from ray Quon McMillan as Patriot
that is like warrants all the stuff that you just said.
I think Bill liked him as a special teamer and
we know the value he used to play place on
special teams. I think that's his that's all it was,
And I think this regime probably doesn't look at it
the same way.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
One of the scribe of value, one of the scribes surmised,
is there a chance to bring him back on the
practice squad? Has all time coming gone? Or do you
think that that's still a possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
And I think they have to wait for that. But yeah, yeah,
I mean I wouldn't rule that out right.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
I look at as a low cost, low risk on
bringing in a gotway. He was available, it didn't cost
him anything. I don't think he's going to set the
world on fire or anything like that. Maybe he can
help as a rotational person. They haven't been able to
create any pressure. I don't know if this guy's got anything.

Speaker 18 (01:12:17):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
I just don't want him playing over any anybody else,
that's all.

Speaker 7 (01:12:22):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
I don't want him playing a snap over anybody that
I don't know about yet. If that makes any sense.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
Who is that, Paul?

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Is it anybody? Others?

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
And white?

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
I mean, that's why they don't really have it, you know,
that's I mean, I agree with the point Paul's trying
to make but I think you know O'shawn mathis like
that might be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
I'd rather have him play Wow, Okay, Like I don't
know about those guys. I know exactly what Inway is
on the on.

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
The back three.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Forget the back nine. He's on the back three.

Speaker 11 (01:12:50):
And if you were, like smell the beer in the
clubhouse already two and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Seven, Okay, if if they were four and five, I'd say, hey, yeah,
he might be. You know, you get in a veteran
pass rusher might be able to make a play for you,
to allow you to hold on in a fourth quarter
of a game, and maybe that's the difference between making
the playoffs or not totally get it at two and seven.
I'd rather see guys that I don't know anything about.

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Taki Taki can he play every down?

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
I think?

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Is is Mapu a real candidate to play linebacker instead
of safety? I don't know, you know. And these are
the kinds of guys that are in sub packages. That's
why I'm bringing out those names, because that's when in
Gaquay's gonna play. He's going to play in sub packages.
That's what's great player. By the way, I know one
people like telling me all like Paul's been Kinghackway as

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any Goo, just great pass rusher five years ago.

Speaker 11 (01:13:43):
Just look at his stats there, I mean there, they're
going down.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
It's an interesting point you brought up, tho Paul. I
wonder if if Duggar and Pepper's and those guys hadn't
been hurt, but you know, Bentley had been, if we
might have saw Mop Whumore at linebacker, if that might
have opened up the opportunity where they're like, look, we
got our full contingent of safeties. Let's put him into
the box next to Tobai and let him just play
their full time. I just think because of the injuries
now in the SEC then safety group that they've been stretched.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
But like you said, you know, when I saw the
move that they trained him, I said, huh, that's kind
of odd a veteran, a veteran being claimed off of waivers.
But yeah, no, I had no problem, Like I had
no would you say, not moved.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
I just I want to hear from him on you know,
I don't know if we'll hear from a Monday or
Wednesday or whatever, but this week I'm just curious what
his headspace is I I wonder if this is a
guy who said I'm going to a young team now
and I need to you know, come, my role has
suddenly changed. I'm not like the veteran contributor to a
team trying to make a playoff run. I'm now kind
of a mentor to a team, which I don't know

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if that's a role, if he's willing to embrace that,
I guess we're.

Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
Going to find out. And at the first you'd say, oh,
veteran presence, maybe he comes in, helps out in the
locker room or anything like that. I think Paul's point
that he's bounced around to a lot of different teams.
I wonder if that's this is the kind of guy
that's actually a positive presidents in locker room because he's
played for a lot of different teams.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Yeah he has, He's probably not. He's also been tough
to sign.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
Sam and Halifax and the UK writes Hi everyone, I
think today we'll have a big game on the ground
given the Bears run defense. Could Layden Robinson's suppose talent
in the run game be part of the reason for
trying to make sure he and a win who are
at the guard spots, expecting a lot of yards on
the ground for both teams, hoping for a win today.
That's Sam from Halifax, a little positive vibe they're coming

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from Sam.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
Yeah, but Bears are there are thirtieth in rushing defense,
Patriots are thirty are thirty first or sorry, twenty six,
So you might not see that difference on the field,
but I mean it's there for the taking.

Speaker 11 (01:15:40):
I just be a pop Pa Bear. It's just a
special right. Well, each week we've.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
Taked, we look at, oh, well, here's where the Patriots
could take advantage of this opponent. And it's hard when
you can't really get out of your own way and
consistently perform. So as much as you want to target
weaknesses on the other team, like you have to execute
your own stuff first.

Speaker 6 (01:15:56):
John in South Carolina Wrights, good morning. There are many
fingers pointing at the coaching. Could it be as simple
as we don't have the talent we need and we
have to accumulate more talent before we see real improvements.
John writes a very lengthy email about that. I'm gonna
stop it after the one paragraph and say, yes, I
don't know about the finger pointing. I'm not saying that
that's not happening. They don't have the talent. They need

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to accumulate more talent. They also need to see if
they have any talent with the assets that they used
to draft, as has been much discussed here, the young
players on the offensive line that they and the young
wide receivers and with how's my math here? Eight games
to go, that's what the next eight games need to be.

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
Yeah, I mean, they're not going to get more talent
in the last eight games, so you know, you have
to show. I mean, I think everybody who's watched sports
knows that there's certain teams that they get whacked with injuries,
they don't have the most talented guys, but they don't
beat themselves. They play hard, and they're paying they asked
to play. I mean, they go in any sport, there's
teams like that. I haven't seen the Patriots be that
kind of team yet, and that's what I want to see.

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I don't I'm not expecting them to suddenly find talent
or you know, talent superstars to emerge over the last
eight games, but I am hoping that we see a
team emerge that is hard to play against and that
doesn't beat themselves and starts to eliminate some of the
bad football that that they've consistently displayed over the first
you know, however many games it's been this season. So
that for me is the bottom line. I just I

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need to feel like they're starting to cook something here.
And you know right now, I don't. You haven't seen
it yet. You haven't seen it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
The phrase that pays Mike, and this is what I
would say. I didn't say it was articulate you as
articulate as you did at the beginning of the year.
I want a team that's a pain in the ass
to play, yeah, you know, and that's you know, just
as you came out of the game and you said, boy,
that was hard, you know they're going in the right direction.

Speaker 7 (01:17:43):
I also want them by the end of the year
to know what they have out of all their young talent.
So like the guys that are on the team that
you drafted or acquired, whatever it is, I hope by
the end of the season you know what you have
out of them and you're not still questioning like I
don't know what Javon Baker brings to the table. Like
by the end of the season, I want you to
know that because you've been playing them, because you don't
have any choice but to play them. I hope by

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the end of the season you know what you have,
so then it helps you better understand.

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
What you need.

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
Is that realistic over the last eight games for that
to happen? Is that asking too much?

Speaker 5 (01:18:14):
With some of the guys, it might be. I mean
with Wallace, it might be I don't know when he's
going to get back in and how much time he's
going to have. But the guys that are playing, But
I would say, Robinson, can we stop getting pulled? You know,
you get start a game, play the whole game, you know,
finish it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
And we talked about the receivers and you guys have
the an act just come out when I was doing
my chin wag like kJ Osborne, I just don't really
understand that, Like forget about Polk and Baker. If you
need another guy, why would it be Thornton? Like this,
like this is a zero percent chance that Osborne's on

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the Patriots next year, right, I would think, Now there's
probably less than five percent chance that Thornton is, but
he's he is under contract, So why wouldn't you bring him, like,
you know, get him out there?

Speaker 6 (01:18:58):
Have they seen enough for Thornton to know that? Probably?

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
And if you haven't seen enough of Osborne, like I
don't know what you need.

Speaker 7 (01:19:05):
It is very interesting that he is constantly brought up
in press conferences like Osbourne is Like he's constantly asked
like what more does Osborne have to do to get
on the field?

Speaker 8 (01:19:15):
Or what about Osborne?

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
It's weird now he's a better Like he's had a
better career than any of the Patriots receivers except for Born,
the one's the only one has probably had it's probably,
but like I just mean for this team, like going forward,
kJ Osborne doesn't fit, you know, Like I actually am

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surprised they didn't just let them go and let them
you know, if no one wanted them at the trade deadline,
then just let them go and let them. Let them
do the Jannik and Gockway. They're just claimed by somebody,
Tip Bay. You'd think somebody, I would think, what would
have done it?

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
I mean six receivers, right, Like how are all those guys?
Do you need all those guys today?

Speaker 14 (01:19:55):
Day?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
So like in a matter where you want to run
the football, you'd think, yeah, I just don't think they
can run the foot.

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
No, no, I think you might want to try, you know, uh,
Chad from Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
They got all mad at Alex van Pelt last week
for doing that, right, you know, like they threw the ball.
They ran the ball twelve times and threw it fifty
three but somehow they didn't they didn't throw it enough
last week. And you know, in most of those runs,
in fairness to the people that were critical of Alex
van Pelt, were early, like they had I think nine
first down runs in the game, twenty one first down passes.

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I think the first four first downs of the game
they ran, and only one of them was a good run.
The first run of the game was five yards. After
that it was one none, one, none, like it was nothing.
But they didn't just keep banging their head against the
wall after that. They threw it every play after that.
I think people, you know, look at the scrambles and
they don't realize all eight of those those are pass plays,

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right that we're called the four sacks. Those are pass plays.
They threw the ball fifty three times last week because
you have to if you want to move the ball,
that's the only way they're going to be able to
do it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
Yep. But one hour before kickoff, when the Patriots are
in Chicago to take on the Beers, Chad from Los
Angeles joins us next. Good afternoon, Chad, You're next on
the Patriots pregame social fueled by Duncan Hi, Chad, it's
morning in law are you.

Speaker 18 (01:21:16):
I wanted to go back to.

Speaker 19 (01:21:17):
When Deuce was talking about winning and something to say
about that. I think, more than any other game, I
would really like to see a win here. And the
reason is because is not for Craft or not for
the fans, or not for the rest of the team,
but really for Drake. He's, you know, going up against

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a competitor. I'm sure this would be a really feel
good victory for him, and I think I would really
like him to spee or experience that and really kind
of settle into being a Patriot. And I just kind
of wanted to ask what you may think about that.

Speaker 6 (01:21:56):
I think it's a really good point, Chad. I mean,
for all of his like he seems that everybody seems
to think. Paul used the word in the postgame show
last week. He's got it. He's demonstrated some ability there's
a feeling that this is the guy that you can
build around. Let's see what he could do, Like when
he says, hey, we put it all together this week.
Maybe it wasn't perfect, but they did get a win,

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and I think that's important for his psyche going forward. Yeah,
so we're going in the right direction.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
I hear what Chad saying, and I mean it goes
back to what I said at the top. I just
you know, fair or not, this this game will be
reflected back to us after words. Is well, here's what
the Bears did with the first overall pick, and this
is where they're at. And here's where the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
The only one that really doesn't care at all about that.

Speaker 6 (01:22:38):
Oh I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:22:38):
I care, no, no, And I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
I I'm just saying that this is I'd prefer to see,
like you said, a win that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
That I agree with, Chad. I think you know, it's great.
In all that Drake May has run around, made plays.
We think you know, I think he has it like.
That's all great. At some point, you got to win
a game, no question. Now listen, it's only three. You
know he started four times and he didn't get to
finish the other one. So there's you know, a lot

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more games. It's not like he's you know, three and
twenty one as a starter and it's like, wow, this
is a disaster. But I do think it's important for
him to win. I don't think it's any more important
for him to win this game, like against Caleb Williams.
And I know a lot of people. You're right, Mike,
you I've tout you.

Speaker 6 (01:23:23):
Well, you know what's coming.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Yes, you see.

Speaker 11 (01:23:25):
They gave him a doomsday and they gave him keen
and they.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Up the Patriots. Yeah, and that's what rather have. Who
would you rather have? Imagine if Drake had those weapons, like, oh,
it's coming. The predetermined narrative is you're nailed it. It's
absolutely if the Patriots win this game, it's absolutely going
to be all about they got they they they danny
aged it. They got the guy they wanted with the

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third pick instead of the first pick, which is completely irrelevant.
I only care about Drake may Is Drake may any
good If he's good and Caleb Williams is good, great,
I don't really care about I mean, I like Caleb
Williams as a player, like from Afar, from an NFL.
But I'm a Patriots guy, and I only care about
the Patriots quarterback, you know if if that's what I'm

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looking at here, and I think they do need to
have some success for him soon, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
So if you're a Drake May guy, Paul, your guy
from Boston cream rights, what would Drake May have to
do as a Patriot to surpass Drew Bledsoe and being
the second best Patriots quarterback ever? I'm asking all to
put his bias aside.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
Win a super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Well, win, yeah, like win a super Bowl, you know,
be a perennial playoff team and you know, perform well
when the game's on the line, come from behind. H
did win.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
That's all.

Speaker 11 (01:24:46):
It's hard though, because Drew like and win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:24:48):
I think it's fair. Drew got he got into it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
I couldn't win it, right, But there's also just something
special about Drew that took the franchise from I mean,
I guess you are kind of at the bottom right now,
but it doesn't feel like it because you're just coming
off recent success. Whereas you know, just it felt like
Drew was like this savior that you've been waiting forever for.
You know, we've had a couple of bad years for sure,
but I don't think it's quite as bleak as it was.
Maybe maybe maybe some would argue otherwise, but.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Well, the difference, I'll tell you that this is every
bit as bleak as it was individually in ninety two,
like when when Drew got here in ninety three. The
difference is in ninety three it was another year of
forty years of bleakness. This is coming off of the
greatest stretch of dominance in NFL history for twenty years.

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So it doesn't seem like that, like to me mentally, Oh,
here we go again. You know, Dick Macpherson, you know,
here it comes. You know, Bill Parcells gave you some
excitement like maybe we can be a real NFL franchise.
But we didn't know for sure. You know, you didn't know.
As much as I loved Drew, you didn't know for
sure he was going to be the guy. But they

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were able to make them better and eventually that you know,
they got to the super Bowl in four years. Since then,
you've been great, right now, I mean you've basically been
a contender every year since then until now.

Speaker 6 (01:26:10):
Yeah, I don't like having a measured bleakness, Mic. But
I think if you if you.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
Look up and down the roster, no, and I've I've
found myself kind of going back to look at those
rosters from the early nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Just don't talk to us oh about it, because you
won't feel good about the answers now.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
But I mean the interesting thing though, just when you
go back and look at some of the stats, because
she's I forget off that what it was ninety I
think was one win and or it was the two
wins and then one win in ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
I think I think ninety was one in fifteen, ninety
one was six and ten. Yeah, ninety two was two
and fourteen.

Speaker 6 (01:26:45):
But you know, you.

Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
See like, oh, here's Ben Coates popping up, or you
start to see some of the guys that started to
form the foundation once you know, once Bledsoe got in
and then you know, and then you see the guys
start to emerge. Sean Jefferson, I think was one. I
don't know I'm remember forgetting exactly, but.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Sean Jefferson, No, but he was he was a shit right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:27:04):
Paul, here's one for you. Would Michael Timpson be the
number one receiver absolute Patriots Todayute, Well, he was the
number one receiver on those teams, so.

Speaker 5 (01:27:14):
That's that's their back, baby. Yeah, the white and gray
is too much to ask in silver.

Speaker 6 (01:27:19):
So Tony Flanagan, who's probably doing her terrific job shooting this,
to tell the people who are in front of his
camera to get the f out of the way so
we can see Drake May.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
It's not too much to ask him to wear uniforms
that match.

Speaker 6 (01:27:28):
So it's another white over day. I like them, a
big uniform day, Mike. I like them. I don't. I
don't like.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
I don't like the white shirts with the blue pants.
I like these better. I'm I'm team. Is it silver?
I can't say gray?

Speaker 6 (01:27:40):
Right, you're not.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
Supposed to say gray?

Speaker 11 (01:27:42):
Why are You're not supposed to ST's supposed to be silver?

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
Silvers the better one?

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Okay, silver? Sorry, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:27:50):
I just want to conform my Does it start number five? Paul?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Oh boy?

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
I believe so?

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Yeah, Drake is your little really bad teams playing another
interception there, bouncing off of guy's chit stomach into another guy.

Speaker 5 (01:28:04):
God, that does sound like the red zone, Paul. And
I'm trying to watch Drake May and but I digress.
It does just start number five. Yeah, it says the
wind is pretty interesting there today, So.

Speaker 6 (01:28:17):
Courtney had she nailed the weather. What I thought that
was good?

Speaker 5 (01:28:21):
Yeah. People continuing to confirm that Joey slide miss and
one of his kicks there. So yeah, it's just something
to think about. Another wind was the topic of controversy
last weeks. Hopefully we can avoid that this week.

Speaker 6 (01:28:33):
And I hope that there's you know, just hope that
the coach has somebody who is that's their win guy.
He just he puts his finger in his mind. I'm
not trying to it in the air, but that'd be
nice to know that that person has been assigned to
that role. Right, How do you guys do when you golf?

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
You pick the grass up and you throw it? Is
that what you guys do?

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
That is what you do? Like, it's not that hard.
It's really not a hard thing to do. You don't
need a guy to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:58):
You don't do the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
You know what You need consciousness to know which direction
the wind is.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
Just partial consciousness.

Speaker 6 (01:29:07):
Uh, let's see Brendan and Edmonton ice coffee season. He says,
writing in if you had to put money on it.
What years that the Patriots make the playoffs? Again? He
also taking a shot at Tamara. Everyone knows ice coffee
season is over act for October. Hey, in the nicest way,
please get with the schedule. Wow, I know people who
drink ice coffee. It's been like twelve months out of

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the air.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Yeah, round, glad, I did it right, though I don't
I'm not sure. I'm not a coffee drinker, but I
absolutely would agree with Matt that I know a lot
of people that drink ice coffee twelve months a year.

Speaker 6 (01:29:37):
Not germanly all right, So does anybody want to? But
they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
They don't believe in ice in Germany. It's hard to
have ice coffee.

Speaker 6 (01:29:43):
Where there might be ice more often than not. So
what year do the Patriots make the playoffs? Mike?

Speaker 5 (01:29:47):
I mean right now, if you have toke twenty six?

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Yeah, I would say that the earliest. That was the question, right, Yeah,
twenty six. I don't see it next year, but you know,
you have a good draft.

Speaker 5 (01:30:00):
Stranger, things have happened, but you have a good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Draft and a good free agent class.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
You could be I mean, ask me again, last pregame show,
we do Week nineteen or whatever it is this year,
you know that that, to me will be the true test.
And I just feel like so much of the season
preview we talked about was how do they finish? How
do they finish? I don't think anyone was overly you know,
concerned with the starts, and they knew there will be
ups and downs. You didn't know exactly what they would

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have looked like. But this is it. This is the
last eight games. This is you know, used to be
the second half of the season, but this is when
you need to start to show something. And I mean,
I think the last couple of years, we've always been
under that you know, kind of illusion of, oh, we
play our best football after November, after Thanksgiving. That's when
we were, you know, and it's just it hasn't happened
the last couple of years. So you know, we'll see
if it starts to happen with this this team. You

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heard this week from Giad talking about things that would
do different, you know, making notes of of miss likes
that I've made and like that accountability from him, and uh,
you know, but at a certain point, you've been putting
so much time and work into it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:57):
It's it's so let to start to see.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
Some some results and it doesn't necessarily need to translate
into wins. We'll know when we see it if they're
turning into a team that that that, like you said,
is a pain in the ask to write.

Speaker 6 (01:31:07):
So you said it, by the way, don't give me
the credit for that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
So I want to get into that a little bit.
Like I get the mistakes, like they made some mistakes
that you know, they made it harder for themselves at
times with the penalties and whatnot.

Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
But like.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
They played pretty hard, don't you think, Yeah, they try.
I haven't really seen a lot of teams around the
league that look like they don't try. No, So like
wouldn't like that the whole, Like we want to be
a pain to play against, like a pain to play against,
like you, you're capable of beating teams, And I don't
think that they are. And I don't think that's a
realistic expectation that they're going to have enough talent to

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beat you unless the other team helps you. But I
but I, but I expect them to play hard.

Speaker 6 (01:31:54):
And Tennessee ran the ball three times into the line
last year. Last week where one pass puts a game
out of reach and New England doesn't have a chance
to get But.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
That's two terrible teams were in the game. But I
think the whole thing about being a tough team to
play against is like when you play Buffalo, make them
earn it, right that that's you know, if Buffalo has
got more talent than you, but you know, don't let
them go into that game and think, well, this one's
a walk over. But it's going to be if Buffalo

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plays anywhere near its capability. Like I think it's I
don't know the whole tough you known Girod talk about
it all the time, says it all the time. We
want to be tough to play against.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
It.

Speaker 6 (01:32:34):
I mean, that's that's me that should be shooting for.
In the last time it was easy to play against.

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
I think the Patriots are really are an easy team
to play against.

Speaker 11 (01:32:42):
That's what you don't think the very good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
I mean, I don't think that they but is that
because they're not trying.

Speaker 6 (01:32:51):
Very good? I mean, I'm not trying to play. How
do you think that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:32:55):
I'm just saying when we come into these post game shows,
we have a laundry list of dumb stuff that they
did on the field. That's why I started with that,
Like I understand the penalties that so for me being tough,
it's just they don't make a stupid mistakes. They don't
on third and five, they don't get a false start,
you know, like like those those are the things I
don't I think that they're they're playing hard, but I
just think, you know, you know, a team that has

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a little juice to them when you see them, and
and you know, however you want to characterize it, I look,
I we all, like I said, we all played sports.
I all always remember teams that like, man, these guys suck,
but I hate playing them, you know, like that like
those those kind of teams exist. I don't know, I
just think that they they make key mistakes and key times,
and you know.

Speaker 6 (01:33:36):
Those are the things selling me a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
But I know you're you're getting away from Everybody tries
hard and it's the NFL, and everybody has a certain level.

Speaker 6 (01:33:44):
But yeah, I just I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Know, I say that I think everybody does. I mean,
I think there's individual games like that you're you're not
as up for, you know, like we talked about the
Chicago situation with the Hail Mary, and they clearly went
to Arizona last week thinking about the hillover. You know,
like it happens. Maybe they pack it in, they want
their coach out and they pack it in, you know.

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But like I think for the most part in that league,
teams play hard.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Well, I'll go ask you this, Paul, Like in ninety
three and ninety four, did you feel like those teams
towards the end of the season shifted or were they
just kind of playing the same way and then the
games just kind of started to fall in their favor or.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Did you notice like a real No, they got the shift,
they got hot, and they owe cases. But they yeah,
I mean like the ninety three team, I mean, as
the quarterback started getting a little bit better and they
started playing better, and they had a lot of young
guys that started getting better together. But I don't think
that they I don't think they would necessarily. I mean,

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this is my point, Like, when you start winning games,
obviously you're harder to play against because you can win.
Like I don't, I mean, I think they we're hoping
for something I don't think is realistic that all of
a sudden, they're going to rattle off like five or
six wins in a row. No, like the ninety four
Patriots did seven in a row.

Speaker 6 (01:34:59):
Let's get one. Let's get one. Let's start with one
one quick thing before we one more uniform discussion before
you get to the unders. Am I wrong saying it
looks like they might have left They didn't pack either
the right top or the right bottom, and so they
had to sort of like cobble.

Speaker 5 (01:35:15):
Together trying to get me on this back, Like I
forgot one of the others, so they had to cobble together.
I have terrible style, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
By no means to my Ralph laurent All, I am
not a fashionista. Those don't match, yes, and you can
talk to me until I'm blue in the face. Those
uniforms don't match.

Speaker 6 (01:35:33):
Yep, I'm with you on that. Okay, Matt, Let's do
some over unders please.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
It's time for this week's edition of Over Unders.

Speaker 6 (01:35:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
Poly staffs big week, Big week for No Socks last
week five and one, followed by Paul at four and
two and Mike get three at three. So season standings,
Paul leads the way thirty five and nineteen, Matt thirty
two and twenty two, Mike twenty eight and twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:36:14):
Six, suckling hind teeth.

Speaker 6 (01:36:19):
Okay, and so let's kick things off with a Drake
May number. Drake May passing yards two oh four and a.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Half Paul, So, I'm gonna take the over because I
just have to think that he can't run around crazy
every week.

Speaker 6 (01:36:37):
He's got to close on passes. Yeah, is this a trend?

Speaker 5 (01:36:39):
Are we turning on this? No?

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
That's I think it would have been under that. I
think he threw for two oh four last week.

Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
Something like that. I can't do it this week.

Speaker 5 (01:36:48):
I'm going over.

Speaker 6 (01:36:50):
So I guess, just to be different, I'm gonna go under.
And I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but maybe
there's gonna be a respectable ground game to their offense today.
And we see some of that, and it keeps the
passing yards for Drake made down. You want, one can hope,
one can hope. Conversely, Caleb Williams passing yards is two
thirteen and a half. Mikey, that's a tough one.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go under.

Speaker 6 (01:37:18):
Yeah, I'll take the over on that. I'm gonna go
over as well. Romandre Stevenson longest rushed thirteen and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:37:28):
It's pretty far.

Speaker 6 (01:37:31):
Who wants it? I'm gonna go over on that, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Yeah, I'll take the over too. I mean that's a
pretty short run. I know last week he would not
have reached that number, but that's.

Speaker 6 (01:37:42):
In thirteen carriages. You wouldn't have reached it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
So I'll take it.

Speaker 11 (01:37:45):
Yeah, I'll take I'll take the over two, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:37:48):
DJ Moore receiving yards at forty seven and a half. Now,
one would have to say if we're going over on
Caleb Williams and two thirteen, that wouldn't you factor is
this guy You're never wonderstanding all.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
He's kind of disgruntled for some reason though, right I
don't know, you know, he's got a little attitude. Ball
doesn't come down went frustrated. You know he's going to
get a hot dog again on the sidelines.

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
I don't know. You tell me should I go first? Sure?

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
I went under on Caleb, so I'm gonna go under
on DJ Moore.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Paul, I'll take the over.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
I'm gonna go over as well on DJ Moore. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
I could have give me any of their receivers and
I would have gone over.

Speaker 6 (01:38:23):
Okay, interceptions by the Patriots defense at a half, So
that's what is that? A tipped ball?

Speaker 5 (01:38:31):
I mean one or anyway anyway you can get it
hasn't been the Patriots strength this year. I'm gonna go
I gotta follow the trends with Paul, I'm going under.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
I will take the over.

Speaker 6 (01:38:44):
Caleb's gonna give you one.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Yeah, he'll throw a pin.

Speaker 6 (01:38:47):
Okay, I just don't know who's gonna catch it. So
I'm gonna go under on the interceptions. Which last, but
not least is the total score of thirty eight and
a half. Looks like a nice day, Courtney Cronin had
is a nice day, fifty eight degrees, a little breezy,
the wind might be picking up lakeside. As the game
goes on, I'll lead us off and go under on

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thirty eight and a half. I think when the Patriots
involved a tractor pull is close to follow.

Speaker 5 (01:39:13):
Yeah, I'm gonna go under two.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
Follow the trends, Yeah, I just don't see the Patriots
being able to score so under that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:21):
They might run the ball. When you put it that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Way, that makes it e've been lower right.

Speaker 6 (01:39:27):
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Speaker 10 (01:39:47):
Tomar Hey, Mike, Paul, Matt. How y'all doing great?

Speaker 6 (01:39:50):
How are you sir?

Speaker 10 (01:39:52):
All right? He just looking for a good game, that's all.
Because it's always the talent level. And I don't care
how hard they play whatever, it's the talent level. Some
of them have to do it coaching from the other side.
But I'm just like I said, this year is really
the rebuild, so I'm telling to a good competitive game,

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and maybe next year they work on the line and
and a good receiver. And that's all I can go for.
Can't hope for nothing else. But I'm sending on my
p addiction, Paul, like I told you all years ago
when Brady left five to ten for the NFL team
gets back from it again to the and right now
it's year five, So I'm talking about three more, four

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more years. Maybe it might be adjective enough to get
into the playoffs. I take it from there.

Speaker 6 (01:40:40):
I have a good one, Thank you very much. Who
brings up a good point? And I was going to
ask you about this today after nine games, do you
guys think that the fandom has been patient and realistic
with the product that they're watching so far this year?

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
Some?

Speaker 6 (01:40:57):
Some have Well, you guys, you deal with it every Tuesday,
you deal with it every Wednesday, you deal with it
every Thursday. How has the patient's been from Patriot fans?

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
I think, I mean, some have been patient, some haven't.

Speaker 6 (01:41:12):
That's I mean, I just that's just the nature of
the beast, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
I mean, I think there's a lot of people that
want Mayo gone. And then there's a lot of people, like,
you know, it's year one of a rebuild, even though
it's been year five of them being really relevant.

Speaker 6 (01:41:28):
Do you want to put a percentage on that or
are you able to put a percentage on that?

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
What do you think, Mike? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
I think it's hard because certain people listen to our shows,
and you know, like you get a certain angle of
people that are that are maybe a little bit more
on the angst.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
But I I mean every week in the mail bag,
there's at least three or four that don't have any
faith in Elliott Wolf and Girove Mayo and they know
they have all this cat space and they don't think
they know what to do with it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
Yeah, right, I'd probably give the edge to those people,
Like I think is a slight there's more angry louder, Yeah, loud,
but they're louder too, so it's it's, uh, it's hard
to know, but I just say, uh, I think everybody
follows it their own way.

Speaker 11 (01:42:07):
And you want to be pissed and hate, great, you
want to be patient great.

Speaker 5 (01:42:10):
Like That's that's what's fun about it.

Speaker 11 (01:42:12):
You can choose how you want to follow the team
and choose what makes you upset or not?

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
Kevin from San Francisco is next year listening and watching
to the Patriots pregame show fueled by Duncan. Good afternoon
or good morning in your case from San Francisco, Kevin,
how are you?

Speaker 18 (01:42:25):
That's right?

Speaker 20 (01:42:25):
It is good morning, about thirty minutes away from heading
my local bar and watching the Path week.

Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
Love it? But what's a beverage of choice? Kevin? Do
you crack one at at ten am?

Speaker 21 (01:42:39):
When you walk into a bar, You're expected to drink there, You're.

Speaker 20 (01:42:42):
Expected to leave there?

Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
You go?

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
Asked and answered angry.

Speaker 18 (01:42:47):
Exactly So.

Speaker 21 (01:42:49):
Just to comment on a couple of dollars ago, they were.

Speaker 20 (01:42:51):
Asking about when we were going to make the playoffs?

Speaker 18 (01:42:54):
Next?

Speaker 20 (01:42:55):
I think you guys all said twenty twenty six?

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Well, he said, when's the fastest you No, I think
the question was next, if you had to put money
on it?

Speaker 6 (01:43:02):
Let me, oh, then I'll push it. Let me call
it back up here. If you had to put money
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Old, please, then I'm gonna push it.

Speaker 13 (01:43:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:43:09):
Is it that the Patriots make the playoffs again? If
you had to put money on it, yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:43:14):
If I had to put money on it, I'd probably
say twenty twenty eight. I'd probably say that earliest was
twenty twenty seven. My reasoning is, and I'm not one
of those guys that thinks that they should just pull
the ripcord on Mayo, but I think he's going to
get another year with whatever it can sorts of offense.
According to Kaz, I think it's gonna be a failure again.
Next year they'll be fired and they'll bring in the

(01:43:35):
new GM, new coaching staff, and then it's going to
take them a year at least to kind of get
settled and get their.

Speaker 20 (01:43:41):
Program going, as they would say. So I think twenty
twenty seven is brilliant, but more likely after that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:48):
That's a sobering and.

Speaker 21 (01:43:49):
One last comment before you let me go, Paul. I
don't know what ninety eight point five is saying you,
but it's not clearly enough to have to say those
two jackals every Wednesday.

Speaker 10 (01:43:58):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:59):
Absolutely right on that, Kevin, absolutely right. That's that's the
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(01:44:21):
Sunday six pack, so kick back and listen them up.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Is this up?

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
Getting to getting the bits back? You better bring a
big stack, get a mixed game to win it. Yet
this is the Sunday is bad? All right? Johnny stats,
The standings aren't pretty from.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Global Week for Everybody two and four last week, Paul,
I mean, I'm sorry Mike twenty five and twenty seven,
Paul and Matt twenty three twenty nine, all two losses.
Everybody twenty five, twenty seven and two twenty three, twenty
nine and two.

Speaker 6 (01:44:50):
I actually am rooting for me to do poorly. Here's why,
because if I did well, the fact that I can't
gamble would bother me and I'd say, geez, there's this.
There's I have the secret sauce and I can't get
to it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:03):
That's great, man, I'm going to use that for my
picks on PU Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:45:05):
I want to say, no, Well, I stink at it
and I can't make any money off of it. So
that's why part and parcel, all right, one o'clock the
first run. The leading off are the seven and two
Buffalo Bills at the Indianapolis Colts, who are four and five.
The Bills are a four point favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Paul, uh, let's see, I will take the Colts to
cover maybe a little back door cover even but Bills
by a field goal. So I'll take the Colts.

Speaker 6 (01:45:33):
Michael, I'll Paul loves Flacco.

Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
I'm gonna take Buffalo in this one.

Speaker 6 (01:45:36):
All lay the points same here, think that yeah, I
think Buffalo needs to continue to try to prove that
they may be the class of the AFC. Also at
one o'clock, the five and four Denver Broncos are at
the undefeated Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs are nearly eight
point favorites. There's seven and a half point pick against
the Broncos.

Speaker 5 (01:45:56):
Michael, it's a big spread division game. But uh, I
just I can't pick against Kansas City. I'll take them
all lay the points.

Speaker 6 (01:46:04):
I said last week when the Broncos were taking on Baltimore,
I said that that was too big of a number.
In Baltimore laraped Denver. I don't see why Kansas City
won't do the same. And at nine and zero, has
the undefeated season. Talk already started for the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (01:46:18):
Shit, they got over, they got the manageable schedule, they
could do it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Yeah, yeah, Paul, So you're taking the Chiefs. I'm taking
the Chiefs yesterday, I will take Denver. Kansas City hasn't
covered really all year, so I don't expect him to
do it in that game.

Speaker 6 (01:46:32):
It's a trend today. So that's spoken like a real
gambler right there. He knows what he's talking, right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Yeah, I cost myself a game last week by not
I could swear I took Tampa Bay, but I wrote
it in Kansas City. So yeah, I didn't think they
would cover last week either, and they didn't. They just
haven't been able to cover these two score spreads.

Speaker 6 (01:46:56):
Okay, At the other one o'clock game that we're going
to discuss, the four to four San Francisco forty nine
ers are at the four to five Tampa Bay Buccaneers
where Tampa is a home dog. San Francisco and getting
back Christian McCaffrey are six and a half point favorites.

Speaker 5 (01:47:13):
Mike, Yeah, that's a that's a big spread. I mean,
Baker hanging in there despite the injuries. I guess mccafrey
coming back. I'm a little torn on this one, but
I'll take I'll take the forty nine ers.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Play at the points, Paul, I am gonna take the points.
Take Tampa to keep it close, maybe even to win outright.

Speaker 6 (01:47:33):
I like Tampa in this game. Again. I saw some
crazy number today about they've scored thirty or more points
in the last three or four games, and their record
certainly doesn't show it. So they're scoring points. I know
San Francisco's defense allegedly is a little bit better, but
I think this is a big game for Tampa Bay.
It's a big game for both teams, as a matter
of fact. In the four o'clock window, the three and
six New Jersey Jets go to Arizona, where they take

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on the surprising five and four Cardinals. And yet the
Cardinals are home dogs. The Jets are a point and
a half favorite in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Paul, Yeah, I'm gonna take Arizona. I just don't trust
the Jets. Jets are better, but I don't trust them.
I'll take the Cardinals. Michael, a little winning streat going.

Speaker 5 (01:48:14):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the I'm gonna take
the Cardinals at home. Kyler Murray run around like crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:48:22):
Well, yeah, so this is a difference maker in the
phony Boloney's standings here, and I'm going to buck the
friend and to go with the favored New Jersey Jets
in this one. How about that on Monday Night Football,
the two and six Miami Dolphins, with their season on
the line, and they've been saying that for weeks, go

(01:48:42):
to Los Angeles to take on next week's opponent for
the Patriots, the four and four La Rams. The Rams
are only a point and a half a favor favorite,
and there's whispers that Tyreek Hill might not play on
Monday Night. That's a tough one.

Speaker 11 (01:48:58):
Matthew Stafford has still got some magic.

Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
I'm gonna take the Rams at home.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Dittoh yeah, I like the Rams in this game. High
scoring game though, this is gonna be I like the Rams,
like thirty twenty seven something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:49:11):
It's a interesting win, Paul, and last, but certainly not least.
As we wind things up at one o'clock this afternoon
in Chicago at Soldiers Field, the four and four Chicago
Bears are six point favorites against the two and seven
New England Patriots, Deuce, We'll start with you. Yeah, that's
a big spread. I feel like the Patriots could could.

Speaker 5 (01:49:31):
Make it close, but I'm just not feeling super confident
right now. I'm gonna go with the Bears. At home.
I got a score of twenty to.

Speaker 6 (01:49:38):
Ten, laying the six.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Paul, Yeah, me too. I see the Bears win in
the game. It's something like twenty three thirteen in that neighborhood.

Speaker 6 (01:49:48):
Yeah. Well, to help balancings out once again, I think
the numbers are a little large here, and I think the
Patriots are going to sell out. Dare I say, gulp
that not only do they cover, but do they win?
That they win out right? I guess we shall see,
you know, but I'm gonna head that direction at least
for right now. Check me again in about twenty minutes,

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and Elsie, if I changed my mind to twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:50:10):
Thirty, I need to correct something.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
It's actually Chicago minus six, not New England.

Speaker 6 (01:50:14):
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I just assumed. Yeah, we
figured you knew I was.

Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
We didn't even blame Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 6 (01:50:19):
No, no, that don't worry about that. I do think.
I mean, well, that's I think that's a fairly telling
number given the state of both teams. Where the Bears
are you know, had playoff aspirations, maybe still do have
playoff aspirations, and I haven't played well and still are
six point favorite against the Page they're four and four.

Speaker 11 (01:50:37):
No, I know they're a lot better four and oh
at home.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's gonna happen today
because as one of my good friends, Mike Felger likes
to tell me, I don't know what's going to happen
in the future, but I can tell you what's happened
so far, And so far the Bears have been much
better than the Patriots, yep. And they deserve to be
six point favorites.

Speaker 5 (01:50:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Yeah, But you know, like when Jacksonville, you know, like
Jacksonville ended up being like four and a half five,
five and a half point favorites whatever it was.

Speaker 6 (01:51:04):
Like what what?

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
So it's like, you like, if you watch, there's really
not that much, you know, there's not a lot of mystery.

Speaker 6 (01:51:13):
Well, Paul, you opened the door with under a few
minutes left to go here in the Patriots pregame social
fueled by Duncan, and that is that Jacksonville. Oh, they're
home against Minnesota.

Speaker 11 (01:51:22):
Right, Uh, yes, no, sorry, I wasn't sure if it was.

Speaker 6 (01:51:28):
And the starting quarterback for the Jugs.

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
Mac Corkle Jones.

Speaker 6 (01:51:33):
This will be some Patriot hate watching fans going on
for the Jacksonville Minnesota game, won't you think, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Patriots hate watching fans.

Speaker 6 (01:51:43):
Well, they're gonna they're gonna root for Mac Jones to play.
They're probably gonna root for him to get injured. They
don't like Mac. Oh, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
It's like, well, Mac Jones, was the Bill ruined him?

Speaker 6 (01:51:53):
Yeah, that's all I ever hear.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Is Bill Bill ruined him? I give him Matt Patricias
offense are coordinator.

Speaker 6 (01:51:58):
I hear different. I'm not gonna hate watch I am
just hear that he stinks.

Speaker 5 (01:52:01):
I'm just generally curious to watch it, like just to
see how he looks, because I don't know, it was
such a weird journey with him. Like I thought, he
looked pretty good out of the gate when he was
a rookie and looked pretty comfortable out there, and I
felt encouraged by him, and you know, how do he
get to the point And a lot of reasons, which
you know, Paul touched on a little bit to the
point where last year it was just completely Wheels fell off,

(01:52:22):
non functional, same mistakes, turnovers.

Speaker 18 (01:52:24):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
As I mean, we have this discussion all the time
about can you break quarterbacks? So I'm just I'm just curious,
does he look kind of functional, does he look kind
of calm in the pocket again or not? Like that
to me is like my interest in the game, not
like rooting for him to do badly, just more interested
in the storylines that we talk about of quarterbacks getting
ruined or you know, Mac had some potential and you
know some people still think he has that potential too.

(01:52:45):
So I I just think it's it's a fascinating part
of you know, his development and where he's at as
a player.

Speaker 6 (01:52:50):
Free football in Munich, by the way, breaking news, Free
football for the Fians in Munich. They get to see
these two two and seven teams play another Stanza not enough.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Yeah, I think if Lawrence is really out for the year,
then I give him maybe two starts and then CJ.
Bethrow will take his place.

Speaker 6 (01:53:08):
Well, now that would be really interesting too.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:53:10):
And so the one that I've I've never seemed to
understand before. And I know you have a definitive opinion
on this. After however, you think the rookie season went,
And I think I'm more with Deuce than you. I
know you dismissed his rookie season pretty much out of hand.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
How did he go from the dismiss hand he played
better as a rookie than he did the other two years?

Speaker 6 (01:53:28):
How do you go from what he did in his
rookie year to July of the next year with the
head coach of the team was singing his praises and
talking about He's done everything we've asked him to do, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
And he fell so far, so fast from that point.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Yeah, I think that's the line of for me, like
to me that this is where I will say that
I am different than most. I don't think he fell
that far in year two from what he did the
last half.

Speaker 6 (01:53:54):
Of his first year, right, And you've been very consistent
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
I had people telling me that he was the least
of your problems in a forty seven to seventeen loss
in the playoffs in Buffalo when he threw an interception
in the first drive of the game. Because Mike, and
you'll remember this, because I know you do. It was
the greatest interception in the history of interceptions by either
Poyer or Hyde, who I always get confused the end zone. Yeah,

(01:54:19):
because why because it was underthrown late into the inside,
Because that's mac Jones, so it allows it to be
picked off. And suddenly, somehow, all of these other people
who just want so badly for mac Jones to be
the answer, we're telling me how great the play was
by the defensive back and not talking at all about

(01:54:39):
the fact that the other team didn't let you score
in the first half. But yet he was the least
of your problems that night, Remember, Mike, Remember like the
calls that we got the media, Like I just I
never saw what everybody else saw that rookie year. In
the last half of that year, he was useless, absolutely useless.

(01:55:04):
They couldn't move the ball and they couldn't score. Much
like it is now that started the second half of
twenty one, continued in twenty two, continued in twenty three,
and is now still here with all different guys. They
don't like this whole thing. They didn't have any guys
for Mac Jones that throw, do I agree, they didn't.
They didn't have a lot of answers at receiver. They

(01:55:25):
don't now either, and you know they have a hard
time moving the football and if they don't fit, they're
gonna end up wasting Drake may too, because they got
to get guys that can make some plays. Mike's key
at the beginning of this show, at the very very.

Speaker 6 (01:55:38):
Top of the show, help Mack win the key.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
No, I'm just saying, I like, it's it's valid, Like
it's see the key, Like I like, I have this
antiquated notion that the key to the game is supposed
to be what you think the Patriots need to do
to win that particular game, and it's not necessarily an
existential crisis. Like I think that they need to put
some pressure on Williams Day and hope you make some

(01:56:01):
mistakes and maybe gives you some turnovers and you can
win the game. That's that was my But like the
big pitcher is Mike, like, they need to find some players,
like they I think they have a quarterback. Mike thinks
they have a quarterback. But you can't do it all
by yourself. I'm a big believer, and if you have
the quarterback, you have a chance. But you got to
give them some help. Right, They have no defense, they

(01:56:24):
have no running game, they have no receivers, no protection,
and spotty special teams play. Other than that, everything is great.

Speaker 6 (01:56:31):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
So Mike's point, I think is larger point off the top,
I think is probably the key takeaway for twenty twenty four.
Find the line help, right, It's not gonna come now,
like you got to find help in the future because
this isn't good enough.

Speaker 6 (01:56:48):
Right. Well, when you say that, you mean Larry Bird's
not walking through that door anymore, at least today, Robert
Parrish isn't walking through that door anymore. But they need
to find out if the Pulks, if the Bakers, if
the wallace Is, if the Robinson's. Can these guys play
or you're going to be spending more draft capital. I
mean clearly, you know, a number one whatever that receiver

(01:57:10):
kind of looks like, is high on their priority list,
as is a really good left tackle. But do they
need more offensive lineman or do they have parts that
can play? And let's get this one fixed and maybe
we can work around that, you know, save with the
wide receiver position. Do we have do we have a
bunch of number three ride receivers here with an alpha

(01:57:31):
dog that'll look decent.

Speaker 5 (01:57:32):
Yeah yeah, I mean nobody's right, and nobody's going to
emerge as the number one receiver, not just a franchise
left tackle, but you could have a tackle emerged that
says we think this guy is sawd He could at
least be our swing backup next year. You know, uh,
right guard. You know, we feel good like Michael Whynu
is gonna stay there, and we feel really good about
Leyden Robinson. You know, by the way we should mention too.

(01:57:54):
That sounds like, what what's the lineup? The line same
as it's been with Michael Jordan back at left guard,
at least in warm up. So for all the talk
of shuffling going on and Michael Jordan hasn't been good enough,
he's out, like it seems signs the point that he's
going to be back in so I you know, it's
more what guys can actually fill roles on this team,
what guys are actually going to be solid middle class members.
I think that's more realistic than you know, expecting anyone

(01:58:15):
to oh this is you know, Jalen Pols can be
one hundred catch guy next year. That's not gonna happen
over eight games, but you can at least feel like, wow,
he got over that rookie wall thing and he showed
something near the end and had some good games. That's
that's I think realistic.

Speaker 6 (01:58:27):
And Mike, this goes back to the question that I
asked earlier, and again, you're better at it. You've got
your finger in the pulse a little bit more because
of Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. But I think Patriot fans are
on board with that kind of thinking. I think the
majority of Patriot fans are, Yeah, let's see who we've got,
let's see if they can develop. I don't think that
I think that they outnumber the angry Patriot fans. But again,

(01:58:48):
you guys know better than I.

Speaker 5 (01:58:51):
It's kind of the Yelp thing, where like, only certain
people are angry enough motivated to like to tell.

Speaker 6 (01:58:55):
Us what I said.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
I think it's generally the people that are angry you
are louder like you hear them more.

Speaker 18 (01:59:00):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
I don't know what the percentage is, but we hear
more from the people who are like that is what
it is, where you know they don't have faith in
the regime to.

Speaker 6 (01:59:07):
Do it right.

Speaker 5 (01:59:08):
Yeah, And I mean, and I think like that's something
that I think is new. I think everybody was new
to new coach, new front office, all that kind of
stuff that came into play this year. But I mean,
the fact of it is, you got eight games left
and you haven't really seen a lot of fruits of
the offseason labor that they put into place, and those
things need to happen, not just for the players and
for the fans to feel better, for us to have

(01:59:29):
confidence that these guys are you know, know what they're doing.
They're putting players into place that that they can build
around because you know, right now with it doesn't look great.

Speaker 6 (01:59:37):
And what better way to maybe turn that thing around
than today in Chicago where there isn't a lot of
people who are giving you a great shot in order
to do it today?

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
And how would you think an overtime game would end
between two two and seven teams? Well, of course, a
run up the middle on first down and with a fumble,
oh jeeza at the oh my god, thirty yard line,
twenty eight yard line?

Speaker 6 (01:59:58):
Can they kick the field goal right now?

Speaker 18 (01:59:59):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (02:00:00):
Just punch it right out? Yeah, Well that'll do it
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