Patriots Pregame Show 11/3: Titans Preview, Inactives Analysis and Keys to the Game

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Good Sunday Morning, Everybody. Welcome to Week nine in the
National Football League. Where we are from Jillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts,
and it's a Patriots pregame show fueled by Duncan to
my left, Paul Prello to my right, Mike du So
and Tamara Brown. We're gonna get you all cranked up
and ready to go for Week nine of the NFL season,
when the two and six New England Patriots travel in

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nash Vegas to take on the one and six Tennessee Titans.
Paul calls this one of the big board games of
the day. I think, right, it's for us.

Speaker 7 (02:10):
It is for us.

Speaker 6 (02:11):
Damn right.

Speaker 7 (02:11):
It's not wrongly game, damn right.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
Conditions. I think maybe a little warm in Tennessee seventy
eight degrees. I heard light wins. Yeah, not exactly football weather,
but good football viewing weather. Potentially, it's football weather here.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Connor. Yeah, cool out here in November.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
So lots to discuss, lots to get to as we
break this one down. Paul, what's on your mind as
we get ready to kick off Week nine with the
Patriots and the Titans.

Speaker 7 (02:37):
I make it easy, Drake May it's the only thing
you know. So you got the good news on Saturday
that he had clear concussion protocol and it looks like
all systems go today, So you know, and I tend
to be a little snarky, I understand. So there is reason,
you know, to be, you know, really interested in this game,

(02:59):
just beyond the wins and losses that are obvious, but
you get another chance to see your rookie quarterback and
see if how much progress he's made.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
I'm going to follow that up with you, Paul, because
I know you have a definitive thoughts on concussions and
how everybody on the outside is telling everybody else what
to do based on your and I don't mean this,
this is not a shot. We're not inside, we're not
part of the discussions or anything like that. But as
you're viewing it from afar and see how this was handled,
what are your thoughts on the way that this was

(03:26):
handled as an observer and seeing what went on, I think.

Speaker 7 (03:30):
It's the same as every other concussion is handled standard
operating procedure. It's it's it's it's by road like, there's
no like gray area when it comes to concussions. The
guys have to be they have to clear a protocol
and the final say of protocol is not up to
the team. It's up to an independent neurologist. So I

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think it's it's pretty clear that he was able to
pass through. I know that a lot of Patriots fans
want to make this out to be that this was
an anti Patriot thing last week. He shouldn't have been
removed from the game, And if it was Patrick Mahomes,
Mahomes wouldn't have been removed from the game. I just
I mean Josh Allen was removed from the game, by
the way, he just was allowed to go back in correct,

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So I don't look at it that way. I think
it's kind of out of the hands of the teams,
and it's you know, is it a perfect process. Absolutely not.
There are guys that you see and you look and
you say, ooh, he doesn't look right, like right there
and no one took him off the field. And then
there's other times where you're like, he looks fine, he

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just ran to the sideline. Why now is he getting
taken out. It's not a perfect process, but I think
that that at least the league has done something to
try to regulate these head injuries. I don't have any
issues at all with how they handled the situation this
week in terms of the NFL.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Tamara for some context last year, and I'm not saying
that this is the one and the only, but in
San Francisco, brock Purty was hurt, was taken out of
the game, was not allowed back in the game, and
the next week he started for the San Francisco forty
nine ers. So it's not like this is some miracles,
loaves and fishes job that's going on here. This kind
of stuff happens in the NFL.

Speaker 8 (05:10):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 9 (05:11):
And honestly, the fact that he was able to deliver
a couple more passes after that, which Gerald Mayo has
talked about, like he was shocked that Drake may went
into concussion protocol because he was still delivering darts after
he went down.

Speaker 7 (05:22):
He keeps saying that, but that didn't happen.

Speaker 8 (05:24):
He keeps saying that.

Speaker 7 (05:25):
But he got sacked after that, and then that possession ended,
Like I don't know where he's going. I that like
hole he was throwing dimes at, like he ran eighteen yards.
The quarter kind of ended shortly after that, and then
he got sacked to cause the third down and that
was the end of his day.

Speaker 8 (05:44):
Like I thought, he's still through After that, I have
to look.

Speaker 7 (05:46):
On heempted to pass, but he was throwing darts.

Speaker 9 (05:49):
But I'll say I was a bit shocked that he
did go into concussion protocole. So for me, it wasn't
surprising that he was able to come back and play
again this week because it wasn't like a situation where
he was down for a while and looked a little
bit confused and then it was obvious that he had
a concussion.

Speaker 8 (06:03):
This one was less obvious.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
So, Mike, the big question is going to be, here's
your rookie quarterback who doesn't have a ton of experience.
He was limited all week as far as reps, in
practice and everything like that. The coaching staff had no
problem saying you're back in there, baby.

Speaker 10 (06:16):
I think it's a huge challenge for Jake Made today.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I mean, I don't want to put the whole game
on him, but I think this is a good defense.
And I think that might have gotten lost a little
bit in the shuffle this week is that they have
some really good players up front that they disguised really well.
I think there's gonna be a lot of pressure on
May today and I think I don't want to say
he has to be perfect today, but as you know,
when we get to the keys, I think it's a
huge part today with him is not making mistakes, because

(06:39):
I think the Patriots can win this game. But if
the offense makes mistakes, turns the ball over, doesn't capitalize
on their opportunities when they get close to scoring range,
whether that's field goals or inside the red.

Speaker 10 (06:50):
Zone for touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I could see this really being a rock fight, and
I think Drake needs to maybe have his best game
of the day at the Patriots, the best game of
the season of his you know, fourth start. Now, he
needs to be really good today, I think for them
to get to win.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
Help clarify if he would you use the word pressure.
Do you mean pressure from the Titans defense or pressure
in the situation or maybe both.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I just I think he's seen a lot of defenses
that kind of do what they do so far, and
I think this is going to be a little bit
more of a spin the dial kind of situation, which
will just you know, put the little pressure on him.
Coaches have praised him over the last couple of weeks
of the strides that he's made identifying what defense is
throwing at him. At least in practice, it's been a
point point that that he's been praised for. But this
isn't a this is a game, and this is I

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think they're gonna try to heat him up a little bit.
They're gonna try to confuse him. You gotta love Jeffrey
Simmons and and you know Sweat Inside, two really big body,
disruptive kind of guys that I think can can put
some pressure on the Patriots interior offensive line and force
Drake into quick decisions that you know, I just I've
said it before. I think at some point he's gonna
have a game where he really looks a little bit

(07:55):
over his head, and it could be today, I think.

Speaker 6 (07:58):
So let's then, Matt, get to the keys of the game.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
You've waited all week for the whole teams in the
locker room right now just listening to this, waiting to
hear what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Here are the Patriots pregame socials keys to the game.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Okay, I'll kick things off. I wrote start to stack
Mike to show is showing I think a decent amount
of concern going into this game. But I think we'd
all have to admit this is a winnable game on
the Patriots schedule. I think they need to take if
Gerrod Mayo wants to get this program to where they're going.
You know, I don't care if this game's on the

(08:35):
road or anything like that. This is a game I
think that the Patriots need to win. Whether it's a
rock fight, as you say, or some sort of up
and down, you know where out the scoreboard kind of
a game. I think this is a game that they
need to win for the program.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, well, I mean I think it tells you are
you a top five team, top five pick kind of team,
or are you a team that's kind of in the middle.
Are you a team that's not quite you know, scraping
the bottom of the barrel in the AFC. I felt
similar about the game a couple of weeks ago against Miami,
where it was a chance to take on a team
that wasn't in full strength, but is now, you know,
in the middle of these AFC teams. And there's going
to be quite a few of these games in both

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conferences that the Patriots have coming up. Not a lot
other than Buffalo, not a lot of high level teams
in terms of the standings, but a lot of teams
that are either like Tennessee's kind of an anomaly where
they're at the bottom. But there's gonna be a lot
of these teams coming up, like Miami, like Chicago that
are you know, kind of in the playoff hunt. And
I think this is the kind of game that tells
you where the Patriots are lining up right now. Are
they getting better? Are they starting to be one of

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these teams that starts to play better football. We've seen
signs of them improving over the last few weeks, and
you know, it's not overwhelming, but certainly they were able
to win the game last week because of improved pass protection.
A lot of hills still to be conquered with the
run game, and I still think we need to stop
the run. But this is a team that that you
theoretically could beat. I mean, just to go right into

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my key, avoid the Titanic mistakes. I think that focuses
on the offense and for Drake May. If Drake May
is turning the ball over today, if guys are fumbling
the ball, that is a recipe for a Patriots loss.
They need to win in the margins. They need to
win with maybe some takeaways, on defense and you know,
getting their run game going. But I just I don't
see the Patriots team winning this game today if the
offense turns the ball over and is making major.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Mistakes and Tennessee will give it back to you if
you're interested, Absolutely no.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
And they're the worst you know, they're the worst team
for takeaway differential in the league, So certainly they're not
a team that takes the ball away a lot. They're
not a team that you know, gives it away a lot.
So we'll see, we'll see. I just think that Drake
needs to really play well today. I think that that's
kind of my key to the game. As I've sat
on this and as he got ready to go, he
hasn't had like maybe the full full preparation, But I

(10:34):
think that he's had enough mental reps. He understands what's coming,
but can he execute it.

Speaker 9 (10:39):
We'll see, Tamara, my key to the game is finish.
Since before the London game, this Patriot staff has been
preaching start fast, start fast, start fast. This week, the
emphasis needs to be on finishing fast. When you look
at the Titans and they're a handful of games this season,
you see a common trend. They start off the game
and they're up most times one or two scores, and

(11:00):
then they lose.

Speaker 8 (11:01):
Specifically, last week.

Speaker 9 (11:02):
They were trading touchdowns with the Detroit Lions, and then
Detroit scored thirty eight unanswered. The week before that, they
were up ten to nothing on the Bills, then the
Bill scored thirty four un answered. The week before that
seventeen to nothing. They're up on the Colts, and then
the Colts finish the game and win, scoring the final
ten points.

Speaker 8 (11:19):
So this week, you can't just start fast.

Speaker 9 (11:21):
You have to finish fast because all the Titans points
are scored in the first three quarters.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
Great stats, Great stats, Paul, and our pre show prep
you mentioned how yesterday was a busy transaction day for
the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
Yeah. I mean, I unfortunately don't know what they are,
but I noticed that they.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
It doesn't matter. They elevated the number.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
Yeah, they elevated like a half dozen players from the
practice squad, so they're completely done. This game, to me,
is all about taking the ball away, and this is
gonna be a contrast because the Titans give it away.
The Patriots do not take it away. So someone's gonna
win and someone's gonna lose to me, and that's the
difference in the game if this is an even turnover game.

(12:03):
I don't like the Patriots chances. I agree with everything
Mike said about, you know, finding a way to protect
the football and avoid those mistakes. Mike focused on the
Patriots offense avoiding the mistakes. I think the defense needs
to take it away. This is a team that is
I think they have sixteen giveaways tops in the league,
minus thirteen in turnover margin, so they don't take it

(12:25):
away at all Tennessee, So you should be able to
protect the ball because they don't. They don't really take
it away. Now, the Patriots defense hasn't taken it away
either for the most part. But this is an offense
that will give you some opportunities. They looks like the
Patriots are gonna get unlucky and they're gonna face Mason
Rudolph instead of Will Lewis. I think Lewis is more

(12:45):
prone to the giveaways, you know, so it's it's probably
that that's probably a break for Tennessee. Even though Levis
is better than Rudolph, but he's also a more mistake
prone So I think you got to take the ball
away and get a couple of short fields, maybe manufacture
some points, maybe another Marcus Jones return, stuff like that.
Because the Patriots offense, to me, still is not to

(13:10):
be relied upon to go out and win the game.
I think they need some help.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
I like the reality check that Mike Dusseau brings to this,
because I think there's a there's a level of confidence
in the year that, oh, you know, everything's right with
the world. They got right against the Jets. They're going
to a team that's worse than they are. They're gonna
go down there and everything is gonna be good. I
like the fact that you're pumping the brakes on that.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
I don't know why, it's like a foregone conclusion at
the other team is worse.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
No, but do you feel that that's in the air.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
Oh yeah, I felt that was in the air going
into the Miami game. I felt like that was in
the air going into the Jacksonville game, and it didn't
work out that way in neither one of them. I
agree with everything Mike said in his key.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, and I think I mean that's like Dunton nerd
out a little bit. But I mean, you know, look
at the little green highlights here on my sheet. I
mean it's still I mean, most of the important stats
that I tracked, they're still favoring the.

Speaker 7 (13:55):
Other team is savored by three and a half points, right,
that's not a mistake.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
And their defense is good, like I mean, they're a
legitimate defense. I think some of the you know, special
teams letdowns have colored a little bit of their team
stats that make you, you know, think that this is
a one win team, like this is a desperate team
that they want to win too. They've probably got more
talent on their you know, defensive side.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
Of the ball.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I mean, maybe that's debatable, but certainly up front they've
got some real disruptive pieces that when you have a
young quarterback his first real road start, I know he
was in London, but you know, we're just talking about
checking boxes off here. This is the first time he's
been on a regular NFL kind.

Speaker 10 (14:29):
Of road trip.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Take it for whate of worth, but still you're on
the road against a team with a good defense. They're
going to be loud, it's going to be a challenge.
This is you know, first true away game for Drake
May Those fans and I mean you were there Matt
over in London. I can't imagine it was, but it
was an environment, but it wasn't It wasn't a true
you know. And again he got out there against the
Jets a little bit at the end, you know, earlier
in the season in Week three, so he's not totally

(14:51):
jumping in there blind. But I think there's a lot
of challenges against Drake. On a condensed week of preparation
for him, we'll see. I mean, it's a tough and
Tamara's numbers about, you know, how terrific he has been
able to start off these games reasonably.

Speaker 7 (15:04):
Well, that would only add to what you're talking about, Mike.
You know, if all of a sudden, Drake may finds
himself in the middle of a second quarter down to scores. Yeah,
you know, that's that's not ideal on the road.

Speaker 8 (15:16):
I want to go back to Matt. I pulled up.

Speaker 9 (15:18):
You had a question about who they elevated. They elevated
running back Joshua Kelly, defensive back Justin Hardy, receiver Bryce Oliver.
Then they put offensive lineman Andrew Rupik it might be
pronouncing that wrong on injury reserve. They waved a tight end.
They elevated Trevor Simeon an offensive lineman Corey Levin.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
Appreciate to going back and look at the names, but
I think what it means, what it means to me,
at least Tamara is. I think there's got there's some
roster issues as the Titans go into the game today.

Speaker 7 (15:46):
Well, they had they had I want to say, eight players,
Yeah that didn't practice for the most part all week,
and they had get those readers on Baby Andrew rupicch Well,
Lugerious Sneed, Tyler, Taj Spears, Trey Avery, Tyler boyd Amani Hooker,
Will Levis, Tony Pollard, Dylan raddits In, tv Andre Sweat.

(16:10):
Out of that whole crew, they had limited participation for
three of those players at some point during the week,
and one of them was Spears, who obviously heard his
hamstring and the limited participation because he was ruled out
on Friday.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
Right Pollard to play Spears to not play correct Sneed.
I don't think it's gonna be.

Speaker 7 (16:29):
Pollard did practice all week, Yeah, yeah, Snead has already
declared out. But Paul It didn't practice all week, so
I wouldn't just pencil him in. I think the.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Reports were the Pollard would play today, but still we'll
see full speed.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
Ducee.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
If you were sitting in a seat, hosting or being
part of a pregame show in Tennessee and looking at
the Titans, wouldn't you have this game circle like, this
is our chance to get right? It's the Patriots. I'm
talking about how the other team's looking at this team.
Wouldn't this be the one you say we got to
get it done today? We're at home. There's no excuse.

Speaker 10 (17:00):
Yeah, especially if you look at the Patriots run defense.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
I mean that's what I would, you know, be targeting
Mason Rudolph playing don't want to put the ball in
his arm?

Speaker 7 (17:07):
I would.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
I would say, let's let's see if we can loosen
this defense up a little bit. They've had issues against
the run. And again, if I'm Jeffrey Simmons, I'm looking
at a rookie quarterback and I'm saying, we have to
disrupt this kid. We got to get in his face.
He was just suffered a concussion last week. Let's try to,
you know, hit him a little bit, see if he's
fully recovered. That's where my focus would be. So that's
you know, really why. I'm just I'm focusing on Drake
made today. I think he's going to have to be

(17:28):
able to take some hits and you know, bounce back
from some adversity today. I feel like that's what's coming
down the pike.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Would you say that there's a lot on his shoulders.
Do you have any faith this is a multi week
plea in trying to get the Patriots running game going.
Do you have any faith that they can try to
establish that today given the front that they're going to
be playing against.

Speaker 10 (17:47):
I mean, honestly, not really. I don't really have a
lot of confidence in it.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I mean, I you know, I think that they can
tough to have it to do enough in key spots
to allow them to win the game. But do I
think that they can get their run game going enough
to really dictate the game.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
It's hard.

Speaker 10 (18:01):
If they have to prove it to me, I've never
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 7 (18:03):
I could see a volume day if they're able to
get the lead and do some you know, some of
the stuff that the fans have been talking about all week,
Mike Matt with the you know, get right game, a
chance to stack some wins together. I could see them
having a lead in the second half and being able
to run the ball twenty times in the second half
and all of a sudden, the number looks really good

(18:23):
at the end. But if it's just a regular day
and it's and you're trying to be balanced, Tennessee's not
great against the run. They're better against the pass than
the run, but I think it's still a better front
than the Patriots have been able to display that they
can they can open up holes. Yeah, I'm kind of
with Tamara and Mike, I'd be surprised if it was

(18:45):
a huge day for the running game.

Speaker 6 (18:47):
So what's the script look like, Paul? For AVP in
that first couple of series, what do you think are
they going to try to come out spread it out,
chuck and duck and see if they can get a lead,
or are they going to come in with a you know,
jumpbo package and try to see if they can get
establish some sort of a run early.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
I think they're probably going to come out throw, and
I think that that's kind of what they've been doing
with May a little bit, you know, not like bombs
away down the field, but you know, some quick timing throws,
you know, mixing in some runs here and there. You
gotta I think you need to find a way to
be successful early in the game because of the stats

(19:24):
that Tamara were out there with. You don't want to
fall behind on the road and have a young quarterback
having a feel like he needs to, you know, sort
of press the you know, we got to score in
this possession right here. That's when the mistakes come, and
that's when it's snowballs.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
So I think guys don't think the run game is
going to be productive. Tamaraw that means that there's going
to be a lot of attention shifted to the wide
receiver room, and there's been a lot of attention on
that wide receiver room for the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 9 (19:49):
Absolutely, I think it's tough to it's tough to have
confidence in these wide receivers who are more focused on
getting the ball and why they aren't getting the ball
and why they aren't active, and when the ball does
come their way, they drop it. When the ball does
come the way, they're not in the right spot. Six
drops last week is unacceptable, especially when you're dealing with
a team who's already struggling to get.

Speaker 8 (20:11):
Points on the board.

Speaker 9 (20:12):
If Drake may is dropping it in the bucket, and
you're dropping it, then you really shouldn't.

Speaker 8 (20:16):
Be talking in the locker room.

Speaker 9 (20:17):
And I think when you're looking at this week's wide receivers,
I'm wondering who is going to be active because we're
getting hints that Javon Baker will play on offense today
and so whose spot is he taking?

Speaker 8 (20:28):
Is it Taekwon? Is it kJ Osborne. So I'm I'm
curious to see who is active.

Speaker 9 (20:32):
Because you can't have all of them active. I just
feel like that's pointless. But they have to get out
there and be productive. They've arguably they've been said to
have a good week of practice according to ABP Andirod Mayo.
But I would like to see them be productive today.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
This is a crazy take, and I'm not going to
sit here and tell you that he's going to catch
ten balls for one hundred and thirty yards or anything
like that. I get the feeling that Polk might contribute today.
Now the bar is very, very low because he hasn't
contributed all year. But if there's ever a time for
a kid to really become determined, he's coming out of

(21:08):
the concussion protocol. He's not had a great beginning to
his NFL career. Let's see if they invested and evaluated
the right guy when they drafted. I just I'd like
to see them try to get him going, And by going,
I mean catch a ball again.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Lo Lo low bar.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
But I'd like to see him be on the plus
side rather than the negative side. Is that too much
to ask for?

Speaker 9 (21:31):
It's not too much to ask, especially if you're going
to be in the locker room saying I have the
best hands in the NFL. If you're going to talk
to talk, you need to be able to walk the walk.
And so when he's active today, if he is able
to play today, I hope that he walks the walk
like he's been talking to talk.

Speaker 6 (21:44):
Right and do as you mentioned, And I agree wholeheartedly
with what you're saying about Drake May. There's a lot
of pressure, but I think there's a lot of pressure
on that room to give the stink off a last
week's game out of the AAR.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, no question. I mean I'm expecting more of Kendrick
Bourne too.

Speaker 7 (21:57):
I just I said I'd rather have that be Kendrick
Bourne today. Yeah, Like, I see, if we can get
him going, I.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Always give guys coming off in acl few games to
you a few games. I mean, really, you need a bunch.
But you know, his hands haven't been there, and he
told us that much when he came back, that it's
going to take me a few games to really get
back up to speed. And I think some of the
drops with him, some of the mistiming, that's just long layoff.
And you know, rust, I just I get it. I
expect him to be better. I've seen him be better.
I know he can be better. I still really believe

(22:24):
in Jalen Polk too. I think you know, in a
perfect world, you've got Born and Polk and to Mario
Douglas in the middle. That that trio I think is
a pretty good little foundation that I would like to
build around. And but they've got to be more productive.
As Tamara said, they can't be dropping balls. I just
I still believe in Jalen Polk. I think he's a.

Speaker 10 (22:40):
Good, solid football player, and.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
I'm just I'm really disappointed we haven't seen it yet
from him, because I don't think he's gonna set the
world on fire or anything like that, but I think
he can be a reliable piece to this offense. And
the kind of player that they just need. And that's
what's so frustrating is what they need is exactly and
what I think he can do is exactly what he's
not doing, which is just get open and catch the ball.
You know, you don't have to stick, you don't have
to go sixty yards and take it to the house

(23:02):
every time. You just have to you know, get those
little comebacks on third down and get just you know
we need eleven, you got us twelve.

Speaker 10 (23:07):
That kind of guy. I think he can be it.
But as you said, nine games left the time to
time to start producing. If you're one of these young rookies, Matt.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Morell Go, you guys often get the notifications on Saturdays
that I don't. So was there something about Polk this
week specific that came out? Any updates on him?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
No?

Speaker 7 (23:27):
No, all sure that he's going to be active today.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
I don't think he thinks.

Speaker 10 (23:32):
I think he's off.

Speaker 7 (23:33):
No, no, no, no, no no, not for not for
an injury.

Speaker 8 (23:37):
Yeah, I'm not sure.

Speaker 9 (23:38):
It's like if if Javon Baker, if we're getting the
hints that he's going to play on offense and special
teams today, then whose spot is.

Speaker 7 (23:43):
He taking I think they were all active last week
other than Polk, So does he just roll it back
with the same group, That's.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
What It's a fair question. Does he Does he sit
another week even though he might be ready to go
from the concussion.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
That would be my eye opening to him. Matt Murra
is going to ask you a question, do you have
a wind drop or anything like that, like a breeze
or wind drop or anything like that, because I hear that,
I hear the trade winds blowing a little bit as
we're talking about the wide receiver room. You want to
know who Baker's spot might be healthy scratch or allegedly kJ.

(24:18):
Osborne's not on the injury report right now, so it's Taekwon, right,
And I read someplace I think it was in Mike
Greece's calum today that you know, maybe they do Osborne
as solid as a vet by just flat out releasing
him and let him go someplace else. Osborne would seem
to me to be the likely candidate there. Again, I'm
not trying to make put this guy into the Hall
of Fame. But as we discussed last week in the

(24:40):
postgame show, Taekwon Thornton actually made a play last week,
you know, and so I don't know if that's enough
for them to think about building Let's keep him on there.
Maybe he can, you know, we can get a little
something more out of him. Osborne would be the one
guy that just reeks of.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah and Baker taking him, even if you just look
at their contracts, he's Osbourne's gone next year, you know,
like these other guys. Like I'm not saying any of
these guys are the future, but they'll all be back
if you want them. So if you're really trying to
get a sense of guys that you're gonna have, and
you know, I think I think Osborne probably would be
the odd man out.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
Yeah, I would have Polkan for Osborne. Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
Does that mean gulp that booty is now your gulp again,
one of your most reliable wide receivers on your roster.

Speaker 10 (25:24):
But I don't know if I call him reliable, I
mean I think he's I'm sor the most I think you.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
Know, I mean word that. Yeah, he's earned a spot
where you're not even talking about the fact whether he's
going to be active or an active Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
No, He's made enough plays he shouldn't be on that list.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
No more.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
You want more from him, You want more consistency from him.
You know, you can't just have a couple of big
plays a game. You know you want to establish him.
But no, I think he's of everybody that's taken advantage
and of their opportunities, he's, you know, really a top
mine in the moment, and I like seeing a guy
have some drops in a game, allowed to work through
it comes through in a big spot at the end.

(26:01):
You know, I'm hopeful that by going through some struggles
last game that can help elevate his confidence in because
he's another one where you talk about like things that
I thought were a strength or exactly what you're not seeing.
I mean, his hands are great, like I mean, Booty.
That's the one thing I've said about him all summer
long when he was trying to make this team, was
that I just I really like his hands. I don't
know what else he can do. He's got a little
bit more shake to him. I think then that maybe

(26:23):
I gave him credit for, but his hands are his
best thing. So I'm just hoping last week was more
uncharacteristic and we'll see those guys really their true traits
come out as they get more, you know.

Speaker 9 (26:31):
Time I asked him in the locker room, I was like,
what's been the game changer for you?

Speaker 8 (26:36):
From Week one last season?

Speaker 9 (26:38):
You you know, not getting your two feet in and literally
never seeing the field again until this year. What was
the difference? He was like, I really took advantage of
my scout team reps. He was like, that is how
I'm standing here today is because I took that moment
and the opportunity to get better and show the coaches
that I'm able to play. And I was honestly shocked
by it because honestly, going into this season, I didn't

(26:59):
expect him to be where he is right now, expect
him to be getting to the coaches.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
Yeah, I think he's a pleasant surprise. Yes, you know,
when you're looking, I mean, look at we're at the
halfway Marcus Mike reminded everybody before the show that you
look at the halfway mark and you think, you know, well,
what didn't you expect? I think Kashawan boody to be
my word here, and I don't know if it's correct, reliable,
is very unexpected.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
Yeah, I just don't know if it's good or bad.
What might say more the receiver, And I don't know
if that's a good thing. You know, that's a fair point,
Like I think you have hoped that some of these
other guys would have would have stepped up. He stepped up,
He's earned more playing time, But you know, where's everybody else?

Speaker 6 (27:39):
We mentioned Bourne, not Born. I was gonna get to
him at a second. We mentioned Osborne as a, you know,
possible candidate in the trade deadline. Do you think Bourne
is also? Do you think that there's any kind of
a market for.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
Him his I mean, his name keeps getting brought up
with San Francisco to go back there with all the
injuries they've had at that spot, And I don't I
would think that he would be a candidate. Sure, I
mean he's a veteran guy, you know, has some familiarity
with the Shanny hen system, obviously played in it. But

(28:09):
I mean, I don't, I don't know. I don't like,
can you trade? You can't trade all of these guys? No,
I don't know. I would be interested in listening to
see what I could get back, but I don't, you know,
I know, we kind of went back and forth on
PU during the week, Like I think it was last week,
not this past week. You know what he would be worth.
I mean, I just think you look and I had

(28:30):
a late day three pick.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
Two guys that surprised me if the reports are true,
and I question the reports always as a matter of course,
two names it surprised me on the list, allegedly Kyle Duggar,
Devon Gotshaw. Yeah, I think Gotchaw was quoted as saying
that his agent hadn't heard anything about that and thought
he might get a heads up if that was going
to be the case. Those ones just helped me understand

(28:53):
where those I'm not sitting here trying to tell you
that one guy's with Vince wolf Wark and the other
guy is Rodney Harrison. I'm not saying that. But you
made a commitment to it, you know, certainly to Dougger
in the offseason, and you arm wrestled with Godshaw for
a little bit before playcating. I don't know if it's
placating him or coming to an agreement with him. That's
those are curious ones to me, So help yeah, educate me.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Well, it's hard to it's hard to it's hard to
know our teams calling about them, or the Patriots calling
and saying if if you want these guys, they're available.
So and that makes a difference, right, I think so.
But it's I'm with you, Matt. It's surprising. It's surprising
that you know a guy that you would hear Kyle
Duggar's name, not because I'm entirely against trading him, but
just he was kind of a key piece of your
offseason right now, and he think he signals you know,

(29:37):
some of the direction you want to go, and you know,
to move him right now, I would be a little
bit of a even Godschaw too, even though those guys
are probably, you know, two of the only veterans that
appeal to other teams.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
Yeah, Godschaw doesn't surprise me at all. But I wholeheartedly
agree with you on Douggar. At the age you know
that should be someone, I mean progress based on what
you just did, you would think that be a guy
that you really think is part of your future Peppers.
Might you know, Godcha's had a really solid year and
maybe someone would want them. You know, I think there
might be some value. You know, you know, you might

(30:07):
have a playoff team that looks at him and says,
you know, you can't have you can never have enough
depth on the defensive line stopping the run. You know,
one of those guys, you know, specialty kind of guy.
I could understand him generating some interest there, but you know,
thirty years old, like you know, I can understand if
the Patriots were interested Doug Art, I would be very surprised.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
So to me, the the whole thing comes. I mean,
the names are surprised. That's one thing. What is the
potential compensation coming back would be the other thing. And
both of them I would think would be almost giveaways,
like what are you going to get for Devon Gottshaw?
What are you gonna get for Kyle Ducker? Like if
somebody's going to dangle a number one, then you make
the trade? Will you fly them out them? You walk
them out yourselves.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
I think that's happening, though. I think Douggard could get
you something. Okay, you might get a Day two pick.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
Three four, yeah, three three or four. But you never know.
Sometimes these things, you know, sometimes Bill Belichick cans guy's
second round picks for jag receivers. That happens. That happens.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Good, Yeah, I mean I guess I was the dugger.
Thing is surprising to me. And that was a national
reporter that I think first came out with that one,
not a local reporter that had that. Right.

Speaker 7 (31:20):
M h, I'm being better when I talk about my colleagues.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
I'm just I just was. I was just trying to
differentiate between whether it was a local or national person.

Speaker 7 (31:30):
Yeah, this is where I would say something like, of
course it was a national's but.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I Wouldn't'm not But I don't do that anymore. That's right,
you teared over yesterday.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
Let's see eight five five PATS five hundred is a
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(32:04):
I hear the recovery. We are here for you, Paul.
We support you, and we absolutely love how passionate you
are about it. From Boston Cream, Paul helped me out
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Speaker 7 (32:13):
What do you Boston Cream?

Speaker 6 (32:14):
Did I miss a meeting or something like that?

Speaker 7 (32:17):
We're just talking about Bill's hypocrisy. It's certainly no pain
involved in it. I know, Boston Cremes having fun, but no,
just Bill, you know, being able to with a straight
face rip the Patriots for you know, only getting a
sixth round pick in that trade. You know, that's what
these guys are worth, you know, like just because you

(32:39):
gave a second round pick for Mohammed Sanu doesn't mean
that that was his worth. And it just amazes me
that he can, with a straight face continue to do
that every week and pretend that he's actually offering in
you know, impartial analysis of the Patriots situation, because it's
so far from it. And I'm not trying to be
Johnny Homer here, Like there's plenty of things that we

(33:00):
can be critical of for the Patriots, Like we're not
overlooking the shortcomings on the roster, despite some efforts to
do so from other outlets. We're talking about everything. But
for Bill to sit there and rip rip Girodmeo and
Elliot Wolf for only getting a sixth round pick for
Joshua Usha, to me, just reeks of hypocrisy. And we

(33:23):
talked about it during the week.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
Got it understood. Thank you for catching me up. A
house divided from Oliver in nash Vegas rights and longtime
fan of the show. I'll cut to the chase. I'm
from Rhode Island in a long time Pats fan. I
got married yesterday. Congratulations. Congratulations. My now wife and I
have been together for eight years and we're celebrating today
by going to the Pats Titans game at Nissan. Small problem.

(33:47):
She's a Titans fan. Wish us luck in the house
divided looking forward to see Drake me and have to
see that. That's a nice little story there, A little wedding.
What better thing to do the day after you get
married than a little Pats Tennessee game. A beautiful day,
that's a good question to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Not in my house.

Speaker 6 (34:05):
It wouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
After a wedding.

Speaker 6 (34:13):
We're getting married.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
But I had a day in between the wedding and
the honeymoon. I was trying to tread water there see
if I could catch quick North Eastern BC basketball game.
Didn't happen that.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
A way, We see, we took a few months. We
took we got married thirty first, we didn't go to
Hawaii till July, so we had a little bit broken.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
So we got a friend. That sounds like that's more
and more a thing that a lot of people are taking. Yes, yeah,
I like that.

Speaker 11 (34:44):
You know.

Speaker 10 (34:45):
The wedding goes by so quick, you know, that was
like what I was crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
It's like little five minute conversations with you know, everyone
from your life and then all of a sudden, everybody's
lining up to say goodbye to you, and you're like,
that's it.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
Nate in Northeastern Pennsylvania Rights Earlier, Paul mentioned he'd hoped
for another big return from Marcus Jones today, if I'm
not mistaken. Paul also believes that Jones is one of
the most dynamic punt returners in the league right now.
The it's hard to disagree with how's a kid from
Detroit to him? That's dynamic?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
It's holy Cross his own.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
Yeah, there you go, which begs a question, will we
see Marcus Jones take an offensive snap this season? Nobody
will forget that touchdown he had versus the Bills. That's
from uh native North eastern Pennsylvania who clearly didn't watch
Patriots All Access this week. When we penned that question
to head co Jerrod Mayo, who didn't exactly shoot it down,

(35:33):
but said, Marcus Jones is first a cornerback and his
second a punt returner, and as of now there doesn't
seem to be. Now maybe he's being coy, maybe there's
a secret package in there that's under wraps or anything
like that, but he didn't make it sound like there
was a lot of offense for Marcus Jones.

Speaker 7 (35:49):
I would do it, but I unders question I understand
why he has a bigger role on defense now than
he did that rookie year when he was when he
was doing a lot of offenses. Now he was playing
in all three phases. If you remember Mike some of
those games, you know he was he was doing all three.
But now he's a full time every down cornerback. So

(36:10):
maybe that's why I would still do it because I
think they need some they need some playmakers on offense
and they don't really have enough.

Speaker 10 (36:17):
Yeah. I mean too.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
We never saw any of it in the summer, right,
Like I don't ever remember seeing any snap sometimes, but
he was on the field so infrequently period, that's true.

Speaker 12 (36:25):
True.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
Yeah, you would like to see a dynamic player like
keV have the ball in his hands. It's not a
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Speaker 13 (36:37):
Morning more than everyone.

Speaker 12 (36:42):
I can't believe we're like right here at the halfway
point of season. It just it always seems to fly by,
you know, And just looking at the schedule, I kind
of have to disagree with Paul and Deuce, like, I
think we're we got the better, better quarterback this week
in my opinion. And I know that's like a big
heavy at for Big Head, our friends big Head, but

(37:04):
I think the Titans are They're another one of these
teams like us that doesn't have that much talent and
that much depth. And I just look at the quarterback
matchup and if the kid's good and ready to go,
I think we're gonna win this game. And looking at
the schedule, I don't think.

Speaker 7 (37:18):
How do you disagree with Mike and I Then do
we say that we say that Drake May is not
better than Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
Yeah, I didn't hear that in their car.

Speaker 12 (37:26):
No, no, no, you were saying, how like they gotta
win the turn on I think even if we're minus
one them the turnover battle, you lose I think we
could still beat them because lose.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
You lose. Don't don't be minus in a turnover battle
against a team that can't take the ball away. That
would be a disaster. They have three takeaways all year.

Speaker 12 (37:44):
Yeah, I gotcha, but I don't know. I just I'm
feeling comfort all right.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
Oh that was a mistake by me, pat sorry about that.
I senday morning to.

Speaker 7 (37:53):
You in full disclosure. I won't we don't have to
wait till the end of the show. I'm picking the
Patriots to win the game. But I just don't overlook
the other team's.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
Ability like a lot of other people do.

Speaker 7 (38:04):
Like I do think that they need help because this
offense has not been good.

Speaker 9 (38:09):
I also want to see them like so say, if
Marcus Jones does get them in good field position multiple
times today, I want them to take advantage of it
and not with three points.

Speaker 7 (38:17):
But those are the touchdown that to me, those are
like turnovers. Like when Marcus Jones goes sixty two yards
on the first drive of the second half that gives
you a touchdown.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
And they pounded it into maarra. I mean they did
take advantage of that one time.

Speaker 9 (38:29):
I want to see them do it more than that
one time, especially when you're looking at their game last
week versus Detroit.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
Two hundred and sixty two return yards is crazy.

Speaker 6 (38:38):
Yeah, So if.

Speaker 9 (38:39):
Marcus Jones can house one and then get another sixty
two yards to set the Patriots offense up in good
field position, that'd be great.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
Well, you certainly would look at that after looking at
the tape last week against Detroit as an area of opportunity.
I would also caution those who are doing that to say,
my guess is the Titans special teams coaching staff and
players had a tough Monday and a tougher week, and
that will be a point of emphasis for the Titans
this week to clean that up.

Speaker 10 (39:06):
Yeah, no question.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I mean I think it's you're heard fro Jeremy Springer
on Friday and he kind of downplayed it.

Speaker 10 (39:11):
I mean, I think these coaches all know each other.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Sure doesn't want to kill him too bad, but yeah,
it's got to be a point of emphasis, and I
just I think it lines up with kind of how
Paula and I are seeing the game of they've got
to win with field position on special teams and even
if it's not taking it back to the house. It's
the little pieces in this game, because to me, it
feels like it's gonna kind of be slow, back and

(39:33):
forth out of the gate.

Speaker 10 (39:34):
It's gonna be you said Rock, you said Rock, like,
you know, just hard to.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Get things going for both teams, I think initially, and
I hope, I hope that's the case for the Titans.

Speaker 7 (39:43):
Now it's the ball if the Titans go the other way.
I kind of agree with Matt. I think that they
were embarrassed last week. It's embarrassing for an NFL team
to allow that to happen to them, and I think
they'll probably respond. They're coming back home. It's a young team,
first year coach. Just like there's a lot of similarities
with these two teams, but the first year head coach
trying to establish a program. My guess is they'll play

(40:04):
a little bit harder and maybe a little bit tighter
than they did a week before. I think Matt is
right about that, so Paul, But that doesn't mean I'm right. Yeah,
they might just that might be the tip of the
iceberg and they might just pack it in right.

Speaker 6 (40:18):
Remind Fians if you would, Paul, please, because you're very
good at this amongst other things. It was a statistical
and nominee last week on the Patriots beat the Jets
for whatever reasons those were, you know, not turning it over, etcetera, etcetera.
What did the Heightens do defensively to really shut down
arguably the best team in the NFL and the Detroit
Lions in Detroit and they got laruped because of their

(40:40):
special teams.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
They didn't shut down.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
They didn't They didn't throw for a lot of yards.

Speaker 7 (40:45):
Right, because what Tamara said, Khalif Raymond kept giving him
the ball in like five yards.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
I mean they could only get five yards.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
Yeah, but I mean they scored fifty two point yeah, no, no, no,
but they didn't throw it all over you. You look
at fifty two and.

Speaker 7 (40:59):
If they didn't, I believe Goff was twelve or fifteen
for eighty five yards.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
Right, that's unusual when you put up fifty twoat But what.

Speaker 7 (41:06):
They didn't stop him is my point, Like, yeah, he
only had three incomplete passes the whole game.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
Right, But it wasn't an aerial showdowns.

Speaker 7 (41:14):
No, because they think I said they had two hundred
and nine two and sixty two hundred and sixty yards
in returns. Yeah, they had a seventy something yard kick return,
I think seventy two yard kick return, a ninety something
yard part return, another part return that went for more
than fifty. They had a seventy year touchdown run by
Jamiir Gibbs. Like it was an embarrassment, right, That does

(41:34):
not happen to NFL teams. That's like college. And even
in college, that's when you have like the homecoming game,
like Mississippi State hosting U match yesterday, you know, and
even that didn't happen because Mississippi State is not very
good this year. But that's the kind of stuff that
you only see when it's a mismatch, like a complete
mismatching talent. And that's why I think you're right, Matt.

(41:56):
I think you know Brian Callaghan will look and say,
all right, guys, look, we got to tighten some of
these things up. We can't allow these kinds of special
teams breakdowns, we can't allow a seventy yard touchdown run,
We can't allow these big plays. You got to go
back to the basics. And I think that they will
sort of circle the wagons a little bit and play
a better game today, but I was Tennessee. I'm not

(42:19):
sure that I think they're k Like this is where
I disagree with Patty. Just like you look at the
roster and there's some talent here. Now I don't know
who's gonna play today. I don't know what part of
this talent is not going to be on the field
because we mentioned the lengthy injury report. But they got
a couple of first round picks on the offensive line.
On the left side, they got a solid running back,

(42:41):
you know, very similar to Amandre Stevenson. I would say,
with Tony Pollock good not not a star, but a
good solid running back. They have a really good tight
end in a Quonkuo. They have Calvin Ridley and Tyler Boyd.
Everybody wants Jalen Polk to be Tyler Boyd someday. Right,
they have Tyler Boyd and then they have Nick Westbrook
a Keene who's like a good solid secondary kind of receiver.

(43:03):
But they haven't been able to put it all together.
And but they I do think they have pieces. I
agree with Patty, Drake May is better than Mason Rudolph.
And if I think if Drake May were playing for
the Titans today. I would I would have the Titans.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
Here's where I'm gonna get under three minutes till in
actives are coming. But I want to get under Paul's
skin for a second.

Speaker 14 (43:21):
Here.

Speaker 7 (43:22):
You gotta save it though, because I got to go
talk to my other show.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
Okay, oh well because he because we missed out talking
about the Titans best player on the team, the great
Calvin Ridley. That's exactly did the Patriots? Did the Patriots
catch a break? And Calvin Ridley not agreeing to whatever
the Patriots are offering. We will debate that and other

(43:44):
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Speaker 6 (48:37):
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let him rip.

Speaker 9 (49:00):
I'm gonna go right to the point with the important inactives.
Kyle Duggar, kJ Osborne, Taekwon Thornton. We were talking about
it at the beginning of the show. What's gonna happen
with that wide receiver room with Javon Baker trending toward
playing on offense and special teams today, as well as
Jalen Polk returning from being in the concussion protocol.

Speaker 8 (49:16):
Well, now you have it.

Speaker 9 (49:17):
kJ Osborne Taekwon Thornton both healthy scratches. That's a big
woman you're looking at this wide receiver room.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
Is Kyle Duggar an injury concern or a Let's make
sure he doesn't get hurt concerned.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I think that's a good question. I would air on
the side of injury concern.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
Same.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I went out to practice on Friday, him, Kyle Doctor,
Brian Belichick, safety's coach, all spent a long time talking
before practice getting going. You could tell there seemed like
something going on there, So I would air on that side.
He didn't play last week, so another, you know, big
day for Marte Mapu, who really has become not only
in every down player on defense, but is playing a

(49:54):
lot of special teams as well. So love that for
Marte Mapu getting a lot of experience across the spectrum
right now playing on defense, and I think he brings
element of physicality, and it's just those guys they need
to play, they need to get experienced. So I'm excited
about that. You know, it's it's tough though. It's tough
blow for Duger. We talked a little bit about him.
You sign him up for you know, long term deal.

(50:14):
You want him to be part of the fabric of
this team going forward, and he's you know, had a
tough year with injury luck and it just you know,
it seems like it can't they can't quite get it
all together with Peppers being out to you thought going
in this was one of your most you know, reliable groups,
and really it's it's been tested this year. Your luckily
map who I think has stepped up and done pretty well,
Jalen Hawkins as well as rookie Del Pattis who undrafted

(50:36):
guy getting some rotational safety reps. I don't think anybody
really thought that would happen this summer when you looked
at that group of how stacked they were.

Speaker 10 (50:43):
But just goes to show you never know you're gonna
need everybody.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
And Mao said that. Mayo said that in the in
the summer when you asked him what room impresses you
the most, and he said the safety room. That was
where he led with and everything. So I believe on that.
And while I brought out the conspiracy theory about Dougar,
I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories. And I
believe this is nothing more than trying to manage his

(51:06):
injury and everything like that. It might be a decent
week to do that. We're not talking about ire Coriel
and the San Diego Chargers here that he's missing this
game against Let's get him right and help let him
help the team down the stretch if he's close to
being a game time decision whatever like that. That's how
I would read it.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, yeah, and just along with Javon Baker, you know,
I'm curious. It's just one of the most interesting players
I think of this year.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
Was drafted, big statement, yes, just you.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Know, drafted sixth round, like usually you're not getting or
sorry say six four fivend you know, like you're not
usually thinking much of these guys. But you know the
statement afterwards, he's got some upside to him. We saw
this summer he say earned Drake's trust, but Drake just
had an uncanny willing ability to chuck the ball down
the field right You'delphia game, you know, and he has

(51:55):
and he's had some drops. So we've spent all this
time talking about the drops. And he's one of the
players that I thought was really maybe one of the
main offenders of drops this summer. So if he is
going to get some opportunities today, I really want to
see him be able to, you know, hang on to
the ball and make some plays because I think Drake
will throw it to him. I hope that they still
have that kind of confidence. Javon Baker moves a little

(52:16):
different than everybody else on the roster, and I think
you know, with Osbourne and Thornton, you've seen them get
some opportunities over the first parts of the season and
now you see them kind of leaning more into this
next wave of younger players. So anytime you're getting guys
like Maphu or Baker or Polk or you know, even
del Pettis, like any of these young guys getting quality
playing time right now, I really like it. And hopefully

(52:39):
they can pull out a win. That's the biggest thing
trying to you know, build by winning and not you know,
well they got experience, but they lost, so you know
it doesn't get out there and win a game today
and start to build that camaraderie, that trust in that
foundation they need.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
I mean, I think this is a big day for
Patriot fans to take a look at potentially the future.
You know, Polpe's gonna play, Baker's gonna play, Booty's gonna play.
Let's see if that with your number three overall pick quarterback.
Let's see what you can do. You know, I think
it's exciting to say, hey, this is something really to
look forward to and watch a game today, and.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
I think when I look at Drake May and Jalen
Pilks specifically, those two are like Thing one and Thing two.
You never saw one without the other throughout the summer,
and so their chemistry to me, building on today moving
forward is going to be so crucial. I mean, they
never left each other side. They spend so much time
with each other, They stay after practice with each other,
and so when you're looking at today's game, I'm hoping

(53:31):
that Jalen Polk can bounce back and start building something special.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
With Yeah, I think that's that's a big That's a
big one to watch for today. I think I really
think that that's a big one to watch for today.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
I want to live for like the six Cats Jalen
Polk game where everything I said at the top, where
Drake May needs to be really good that you know,
Polk emerges as you know, one part of that safety
blanket we've seen with Hunter Henry being a great safety blanket.
You've seen him have some connection with Douglas getting down
the field. But you know, maybe Polk can really be
a useful piece today with this defense being reliable, being

(54:00):
in the right place at the right time, and just
you know, getting that yard, getting the necessary yard when
it's like I said, third and seven, you get eight.
That's what I want out of Jalen Pole.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
I think it's something to really look forward to. As
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Emailer rights in. The Patriots are almost guaranteed to win
this game. And here's why I'm gonna be interested to
read the rest of this, because I don't think i'd
ever say that anyway. Teams that have played the Lions
this year are own six in that team's next game,
including some blowouts and embarrassing losses like the Rems losing

(54:54):
to the Cardinals forty one to ten, the Cardinals losing
to the Commanders forty two to fourteen, the Seahawks losing
to the Giants twenty nine to twenty in Seattle. Going
off this trend, the Patriots will win. My prediction win
Patriots twenty four, Titans fourteen. Gonzo gets the second pick
of the year, and Drake May plays well. That's Micah
in South Dakota. It's a great might have outdone the

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stats that Tamorrow was bringing some earlier in the show.
Those are pretty good stats.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
And Paul always tells us fall the trends.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
I'm sure we'll hear more. It's an interesting trend when
we're making our pick.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
But I will say I don't mean I don't think
we've touched on Gonzales today.

Speaker 8 (55:29):
Wait are we saving that? Because then he want to
talk about Calvin Ridley.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
Oh, I'm gonna save Calvin Ridley for Paul.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
He's tied up in another show because I think those
two are tied together.

Speaker 9 (55:38):
So they are tied together. And I want to go
back to the inactives because I did it a disservice.
I told you who was inactive, but I want to
point now to who is active.

Speaker 8 (55:46):
Who was on the injury report this week?

Speaker 9 (55:48):
For Darien Lowe, and so I think that for the
second week in a row, we could have the same
starting five, which is great because this offensive line has
not been able to build continuity.

Speaker 8 (55:58):
Obviously.

Speaker 9 (55:58):
Last week they were able to have the same starting
lineup as Week six versus the Texans, which is low
Jordan Brown on Winnu Jacobs. So now back to back
weeks could be for the first time that they have
that same five.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
And I thought it was interesting to hear Alex van
Pelt earlier in the week really kind of defend his group,
the coaching and the and the offensive lineman and how
he charted the game. I don't think they gave up
any sacks or something like that, and I thought that
was good, again, little building blocks. You know, this team's
not going to the Super Bowl this year, but how

(56:29):
can they prove during the year. I think Van Pelt
was pretty passionate about that.

Speaker 9 (56:34):
Actually actually have that quote, he said. Van Pelt credited
the much maligne offensive line with a zero sacked day
last week against the Jets. He said the two sacks
allowed weren't because of the offensive line. It was arguably
their best day of the season in pass protection, and
it wasn't a coincidence. It was the game where Left
tackled Venderian low return from an ankletry.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Good point. Nice job on that. I'm going to ask
for another one, and I think this game warrants this
where we generally overlooked this. Tamara take a look at
the Titans inactive list, and we've talked earlier in the
show that this was a team that's banged up. They
had to bring up a lot of people. Give me
the highlights on names that are not going to play
today for Tennessee.

Speaker 9 (57:14):
Obviously Will Loves but Snead their cornerback who obviously acquired
this season, Tajay Spears, which leaves it all to Tony
Pollard as they're running their lead running back Trey Avier,
another CB Cedric Gray, linebacker Dylan Redund's offensive line which
they just lost another offensive li iman earlier this week,
and then tighten David Martin Robinson. It seems like a

(57:36):
big hit to their secondary. Honestly, from from these inactives
inactives lists, well.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
Sneid certainly, but we knew that he was going to
be out. Spears is the other big name that I
think because I think he's been productive for them in places.

Speaker 10 (57:47):
Mike Right, Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
I mean I like Tony Pollard though, he's a good
balance of running back, and but how good is.

Speaker 9 (57:52):
He going to be after playing, not not practicing all week.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
No, it's I mean, we'll see you get to this
point in the air and everybody's a little bit banged
up or having to play through something. But you know
it'll be a big, big break for the Patriots run defense.
Uh that they're they're running backs are thinned out a
little bit. You'll take any kind of break you can
use it absolutely, and also just you know, adding about
people who are active. Christian Ellis he was another one
who was fighting through some injuries this week and has

(58:17):
seen a rise in playtime over the last couple of
weeks as they've inserted him from just being primarily a
special teamer to more of a linebacker role and played
a bunch. I thought, you know, he's got good speed.
I think that's something that you know, I don't. I
don't know if he's the most experienced guy at the
second level in terms of, you know, everything that's required
of those second level players of defeating blocks and reading

(58:37):
plays and getting there before the blockers were able to
set up. But he's the kind of guy that has speed,
and I think when you have speed, you can disrupt
things a little bit. Lets him make some plays and
coverage as well. So we'll see if his role stays
that high. But another player just to kind of keep
an eye on that they've had to kind of tack
to with all the injuries.

Speaker 6 (58:53):
They our post game guests last week, Christianellis, and so Christianellis,
giveth any take it away. We saw the giventh on
the sack of Aaron Rodgers and he was being lifted
up by his teammates coming off the field. That was great.
We also saw him with a bone headed pass interference
when they tried to go a wheel route on him
in the end zone and he was banging his head
in frustration knowing I can't do that. Those are the

(59:16):
kinds of things I think you're gonna see with younger players.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Sure, and that's what you just have to kind of
fight the bullet on with playing those guys. There's gonna
be moments that are good, there's gonna be moments that
are bad. I think that feeds into what I said
about Drake at the top. You know, I just at
some point I feel like he's gonna have a game
where it really looks like a rookie. We've seen it
from the other rookies, the quarterbacks that have been playing.
I just hope it's not today because I think they
have a real opportunity to win this game today. If
he just play solid, doesn't get out of himself, lets

(59:41):
it come to him. I just don't want to see
him pressing trying to force forces to happen. That would
be a bad sign.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
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my opinion, Hello Matt and the Gang. One nugget for
the enemy side. The Titans special team coach spoke recently
about having starters play on special teams going forward, since
the special teams have been god awful. If the coaching
staff notices that the Titans players are taking on these
extra reps, can you see a VP state true to

(01:00:09):
the ground game can get to continue to try to
wear these guys out. Interesting point, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Do think it's an interesting point. I just don't know
if they have the sustainable run game. Yeah, we're gonna
try to run three times, but we're only get two
yards of pop and then we're punting, So it's got
to be balanced. I think, you know, Paul was right.

Speaker 10 (01:00:27):
I think we all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Agree throw to score, run to win. It's kind of
the formula that that we want to see executed in
the modern NFL to win games. But no question, it's
That's what's kind of a head scratcher, Matt, is that
you got a lot of praise for the offensive line
this week, and I think generally speaking, offensive lineman will
tell you it's easier to run block than pass block.

Speaker 10 (01:00:47):
You know, you really run.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Block, You get to get after guys, you get to
you know, you're not sitting back trying to you know,
defend blockers that are coming at you. Rather you can
kind of be more deliberate with delivering some of those blows.
So that's just what's interesting to me is I would
expect to see it at some point, you know, where
they get going against the team that's maybe a little
bit down, or you know, it's later in the game,
the other team's tired, and you know, we we start

(01:01:10):
to put something together that that's really what what I'm
looking for.

Speaker 8 (01:01:12):
Giving me flashbacks of the Jaguars offense.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah, I think it's what everybody wants to see with
Drake though, is I want to see Drake May with
a complimenttion what does what does that look like? We
haven't seen it?

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
Yeah, I share your opinion that I don't think today
on the road, I just don't see that this is
being a great prescription for success in that. But no, well,
especially not.

Speaker 9 (01:01:31):
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Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
Right back to the phone lines at eight five five
Pats five hundred and let's check in with Deshaun and Virginia.
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Speaker 11 (01:01:43):
Good morning guys, How guys doing morning?

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
How about yourself?

Speaker 11 (01:01:47):
Great? Uh, I'm hearing all the confidences. But a lot
of the guys have the team beating the Titans. But
do you understand this that, uh, regardless of hot beat up
the Titans are or whatever it's, the Pages are really
really chices when it comes to their talent. That's why
I'll be all for them trading people, uh, trading you
guys like Dugger and you as all the other guys,

(01:02:09):
because I'm actually all for the planet, chasing these guys
like it he's a compensation bat so that way that
he can't have me texts as possible, and also to
include the drafts to try to take care of all
their needs because then when I have money to do
so to take care of they take care of these
needs like it's tips possibly un get a bumpy number one,

(01:02:30):
you know, trying to get some better life for the
guy to cover. So look at a guy like Dougger,
he's overrating you because he can't cover. And I want
guys that can cover out in faith as well as
dependent runs. Well those guys are kind of rare. But
those guys guys got to be looking forward to try to
get so I'll actually be all for them trading these

(01:02:50):
guys to try to get conversation back so we canna
have many things as possible to take care our knees
along with.

Speaker 6 (01:02:55):
Pred good call, Deshaun, thank you very much. And he
brings up an interesting point. I think some of the
flaws and Kyle, I mean, Kyle Duggar is not a
perfect player. But I think in Gerard Mayo's mind as
he's trying to build a program that's kind of a
foundational guy. He's on the roster, So rather than bring
in somebody else from somebody else's team, let's keep this

(01:03:15):
guy around and see if we can build around him
despite some of the flaws that he might have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Yeah, there's there's no question. There's still I think a
lot of room for his game to grow. And you know,
to be honest, I kind of agree with what Deshaun
said generally. I mean, that's all the safeties kind of
look similar to me, and i'd almost include in tight
Peppers and that, you know, even though his future is
really up in the air, I'd like to have some

(01:03:41):
more speed on the back end. And it's something we've
always kind of talked about. And a new guy comes in,
like you know, and you wonder immediately is this that
darn Harmon?

Speaker 10 (01:03:49):
Is this the free safety type?

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
And I just wonder at a certain point, if we're
going to get to this offseason with how this defensive
season is gone, and they say, you know what, we
can't have five strong safeties, like we need to kind
of evolve a little bit. I assume Douggar's going to
be part of this, but if Peppers is not, I
would like to see them really go get somebody who
can run. On the back end to what Deshaun was saying.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
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with saying that what an opportunity for the Patriots today, Paul,
when they take on Tennessee in Tennessee at one o'clock
Eastern time, and thank goodness they are not saddled with
them one struck city of a contract that the Titans

(01:04:32):
bestowed on Calvin Ridley. They are lucky, Paul. That's Matt
Smith saying that they are lucky. And I want to
know what your thought was on that.

Speaker 7 (01:04:41):
My thought is the Patriots receiver Cord dropped more passes
last week's game than Calvin Ridley has in his career.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (01:04:52):
We've we've argued about this off the air. I know
what you're gonna try to get me into a Fredi
Ism ten for one hundred and forty three. I mean,
how many how many guys do we have that even
have that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:05):
There'd be a parade, There'd be a parade in a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Game that's Jalen Polk season right there. Yeah, I mean
it's ten catches.

Speaker 11 (01:05:14):
And.

Speaker 7 (01:05:15):
As everybody predicted at the time, that contract doesn't look
so bad anymore because about eight guys signed since then
that blew it away. And he's not at that level.
He's not at the Jamar Chase justin Jefferson. You know,
even I'm on Ross and Brown, he's not at that level.

(01:05:37):
So that's why he's not paid at that level. Right,
they only think paid significantly less than those guys.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
As you know, I was trying to tease at that
point in time, but Tamara and Mike will give me
probably the game. And when this happened what soured me
on Calvin Ridley and I think it was a good
swing to go after him, and it didn't happen for
a lot of reasons, wife, girlfriends, state taxes, stuff like that.
It was after one of the dreadful losses that the
Titans had where he was in the locker room and

(01:06:04):
just went on a profanity laced tirade about how he's
not getting the ball and they're not doing this for
him or they're not doing that for him. If you're
going to make that kind of money, call me old school.
I want somebody who's going to be a little bit more.
You know, we've got to do this. We need to
do a better job rather than pointing fingers.

Speaker 7 (01:06:23):
School the Patriots. The Patriots wide receiver Cord just did
that without the profanity. Good point last week.

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
They've been called out on that though, absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:06:34):
But you know, I don't think anybody's saying, oh my god,
I got to hear rid of all these guys. No,
thank god, thank god we have them.

Speaker 6 (01:06:40):
I didn't take it rid of. I said, just be
soreful what you wish for.

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
Yeah, I just I just think that you're just completely
and you do this with a lot of different guys,
like if the second tier guys to you are not
very good, like and.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
Mean future Patriot T Higgins.

Speaker 7 (01:06:56):
Yeah, I just I don't think there's much of a
shot of that happening. But those guys are really good players.
And I just had a stat on my other show
that And I don't know the numbers now because they
I glossed over. If Evan was listening, he probably would
have understood everything. But I believe Cavin Calvin Ridley leads
the league in air yards per attempt in his direction,

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which tells me he's open all the time and those
two sticks can't get him the ball. Maybe maybe if
it was Drake May throwing the ball, we'd be looking.
I do not look at that as a as a
bullet dodged. I think that he would be the number
one guy, and I think the guys behind him would
would be so much better to Mario Douglas as a

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three or four instead of a one, you know, Jalen
Polk as the four instead of the two, and can
you know maybe now Kayshawn Booty. I think that's how you.
I think you have a bunch of guys who can
be a part of a good receiving corps. You need
a really the receiving corps, and it's not good enough.
I think that's a really good point.

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
I just I think I would question whether Calvin Ridley
is the guy that you want to be, you know,
the rest of their wide receiver.

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
I'll tell you what I would do is ideally I
would have signed Calvin Ridley and he beat my one
this year, and then I would get a one to
be over him. So Ridley is my two. That's when
you have a good receiving court.

Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
That's fair.

Speaker 7 (01:08:20):
You know, he's on a bad team, and like all
wide receivers, they don't like on bad teams. That's why
you see what was the most tradedis like Cooper goes,
Hopkins goes, Deontay Johnson goes because that position could be
a pain for a losing team.

Speaker 6 (01:08:38):
Eight five five Pats five hundred is a number. Let's
go to Tim in Brimfield, Massachusett's Good morning, Tim, you're
a part of the Patriots social fueled by Duncan. Good morning, sir, Hey,
good morning.

Speaker 13 (01:08:48):
I just wanted to talk about today's game. I'm looking
for this game. I mean, they got a bunch of
big bodies. I mean, as unherald as they may be,
they can put up front. I think today they got
to put those big bodies, get them up front, get
the backers up, and maybe cheat some of the safeties.
I know we don't have obviously Peppers and Doug are,

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but I don't know how good at tacklers those other
safeties are. But I think they got to make him
prove it, you know, running the ball, and you know,
just see what they can do passing it. I don't see,
you know, I think they kind of did that with
in the Jets game, and I think it's something they
should really look at. I mean, they do have some

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big guys up there that they can jim in the
middle up and uh, you know their backers are capable.
I mean the linebackers aren't. You know, the good ones
are pretty much hurt, but you still have some good
tacklers back there. I think I think if they make
improve it in the air, I think we have a
good chance of winning.

Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
Thanks all right, Tim, thanks for the phone call. I
think he's advocating maybe a little stack the blocks against
the Titans.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
Sure, sure, I don't have any Once you.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
Try Onn't you try to see if you can stop
him in base first. I mean we're all talking like
it's not sayers, and uh, you know I.

Speaker 7 (01:10:01):
Would I would dare him to throw the ball, and
that's how you're going to take it, right, I kind
of agree with Tim. Don't let Tony Pauler get anything
and make them throw it and then they're going to
turn it over.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I try to make a lot of use to Tony
Pollard in the passing game, right, I try to get him.
That's the mismatch against the Patriots linebackers that's I'm with
you on that. That's the spot I think i'd try
to target.

Speaker 7 (01:10:23):
Yeah, now, I'm just talking about the Patriots defense going
against that. I would make them throw it.

Speaker 9 (01:10:28):
What do you think about Christian Gonzales up against him Ridley?

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
That'd be fine.

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
Fine.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
They don't have anybody to throw the ball to Ridley,
So I don't. I'm not worried about Ridley in this game.

Speaker 6 (01:10:38):
And will it be as simple as Tamara says, I mean,
or is that just part of the recipe where Gonzalez
will It's not like they're going to say to Gonzalez,
you've got Ridley, see you later, We'll talk to you
after the game, right They haven't.

Speaker 7 (01:10:49):
They haven't really done that yet, correct, Right?

Speaker 6 (01:10:51):
And so I think that that's one thing. Mike rees
had some interesting stats about him today and his uh
well respected Sunday notes Colin where No, there hasn't the
passing yards against Gonzalez. Now, again, how do we track that?
Do we know what the coverage was on?

Speaker 7 (01:11:07):
That?

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
Is it me and versus zone? But Gonzalez's numbers for
guy who's played twelve games in the National Football League
are pretty good.

Speaker 9 (01:11:13):
So Mike Reese has According to NFL Nextion Sets, Gonzales
has allowed a fifty three point two complete completion percentage
when he is the nearest defender, which is third best
in the NFL, and he has allowed five point four
yards per target as the nearest defender, which is second best.

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
In the league.

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
Yes, so, I mean, I think really is a good
matchup today. I mean, let's see, Gonzales is really good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
I mean, I just you know, I didn't break up
the parade the second world out in training camp, but
he continues every week to just impress me with his
you know his He's not the most physical guy, but
I think he's highly highly competitive, and you know, I
just think we got ahead of ourselves a little bit
and like crowning him last year because it was such

(01:11:55):
a small shift for sure, But I've allowed him some
room to grow this year and he just I continued
to be impressed with him. I just what would have
looked like if he had a pass rush on the defense,
you know that that I just think he's one of
the key pieces right now. But he's kind of alone
with this defense. There's not a lot of guys who
are really making a plus impact. I think he's holding
his own despite some of the holes that have popped

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up on defense.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
Paul, I don't want to call you skeptical on Christigan Zales,
but I think you're also don't been more of a
prove it to me kind of a guy. Do you
feel like, as we're now eight weeks through, that he
is proving it to you?

Speaker 7 (01:12:30):
I just don't see them playing a lot of matchup,
man to man, I thought they played more last week.
I thought last week was his best game of the year.
I thought, you know, it wasn't perfect, but I thought
last week was his best game of the year. I
haven't seen them play that much. Man. Now, you probably
have numbers that tell me that I'm way wrong. I
just because I don't go back and watch the games.

(01:12:52):
But I have no problem with Christian Gonzalez. I think
he's a good, solid player. I just don't think he's
Drell Reeves, and that somehow makes me skeptical of him.
But that's all. I think he's a really good player,
and I think what Mike said too, the fact that
he has to do it kind of by himself makes
him even more impressive. They don't have a lot of
pressure on the passer they don't have a lot of

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other guys that can can cover, especially with Jonathan Jones
dealing with so many, you know, physical limitations. I think
I don't I don't have really any worries about Christian Gonzalez.
I think he's been solid.

Speaker 6 (01:13:26):
David and Madrid Spain changing topics, Do you guys believe
they will whose Leyden Robinson as a sixth offensive lineman
in a jumbo package like they used to with Caden
Walts at the beginning of the year. Also, if they
trade Thornton and Osworn, what would you get for Thornton?
By the way, would you guys consider maybe adding Chase Claypool.
That would be a hard no for this person right
here is a free agent, a big X receiver and

(01:13:49):
maybe he can revamp his career here. Hope to hear
for you guys in go pats hard knowing Claypool he's
a nutt job. Isn't how many teams has this guy
played on our.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Lay guys, you know, come out figure out Javon Baker
this year, you know, find give him the opportunities. Uh
So when we get into camp next year, you have
a real sense of how Polk lines up, how Baker
lines up. You know, is Douglass more than just what
he's been Can we you know, expand his role at all? Like,
those are the guys that are gonna play today? Are
the guys I want to know about. So that's what

(01:14:18):
I If.

Speaker 7 (01:14:18):
You're gonna buy a receiver, you know, because there was
that report last week Justin and Anderson had that Patriots
are interested in buying it the deadline as well. And
if you're gonna buy a receiver, you got to find
sort of a young guy who's kind of not been
utilized as much, maybe with another team.

Speaker 6 (01:14:39):
Example, please if you have one with the Giants.

Speaker 7 (01:14:42):
Jalen Hyatt is a guy through out there on the
other show who is more of a home run threat
but hasn't really had a lot of opportunities this year.
Neighbors has definitely put him on the back burner. And
then Chris Gasper on that show also brought up Darius Slayton,
who's a guy who can stretch the field a little
bit and has been reasonably productive. Those kinds of guys

(01:15:04):
I'd be interested, Like Chase Claypool absolutely not right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Tread he's a Notre dame gud, but he can't run, right,
she doesn't.

Speaker 7 (01:15:13):
I would take them like, but I don't think he
can run, but.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
He wants a Notre dame song.

Speaker 10 (01:15:17):
I'm interested.

Speaker 7 (01:15:18):
I'm interested, right, So he might have said Virginia Tech.

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
So, Paul, I want to explore something that you touched on,
which I think is a really smart uh point that
you made, And that's when you're buying a wide receiver.
When you talk about Ridley, you said you wanted to
pair Ridley with somebody else, And to me, if you're
going to attack the wide receiver position, that's the way
to do it. Like if Jamar Chase isn't available, justin

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Jefferson isn't available, find if you're going to overpay for
a guy like Higgins, who can you peer Higgins with?
So you've got kind of a dynamic duel at the
top of that right position.

Speaker 7 (01:15:52):
Like ideally, I think you want to have the guys
that you have be like threes in fours. So if
you can get one, now that's one less receiver you'd
have to find in the offseason, whether it be the
draft or free agency or whatever. That's why I'd be
interested if something like that presented itself. Same with tackle

(01:16:14):
you know, do we bring up the Cam Robinson trade, Like,
I think that's a trick. Now, Listen, I understand what
Minnesota's doing. They lost Darisaw. They they're five and two,
they think they're in the playoff hunt. That was a
desperate need for them, yep, right, so they went out
and they made a move. I would have definitely been
been interested in trading for Cam Robinson.

Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
Because he's a you're not buying at the highest point
at that point in time, right.

Speaker 7 (01:16:38):
Well no, but I mean you're not gonna none of
these guys are gonna cost you like my stuff that like,
Cam Robinson's not Jonathan Ogden. Like I'm not trying to
say like, oh, this was a lost opportunity by the
but I just it's it's sort of a guy with
experience who's played at left tackle, who you can put
over there now so you're not totally reliant on Vederian

(01:16:59):
Lowe's sketchy health, and then you can help Drake May
for the last nine games. You have plenty of money,
so you could pay his contract. I would have been
interested in that deal. Again, I know Minnesota had more
desperation than you did to do it, so I get
why you went to the Vikings, but those kinds of players,
like you know, everybody brings up the Washington defense of

(01:17:22):
Montes Sweat that went to Chicago last year, you never
really know until those guys moved and then you're like, oh, man,
I realize he was available. But well, that's that's what
they need to do. They need to know those guys.

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
Right. Is is he that much better, Paul at a
position that you're going to probably invest in the offseason
than what you have injuries notwithstanding than low Is he
significantly better, you know, with in factory and having to
give up something to acquire him?

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
Yeah, but I mean I'll give up a fifth round pick. Okay,
that like, that's that's fine. I'm not telling you he
like I said, he's not Jonathan Auden, right, but I
have another guy who's played left tackle like Vaderian Lowe
is basically all you got stop gap. And I mean,
you can make an argument that Cam Robinson is not

(01:18:13):
as good as I Like, I'm not, I'm not Dante
like I'm not. I'm not evaluating you know, every every
down of Cam Robinson, but they've been in dire straits
at various points this year at that position, and Valerian
Low has played about half the games right, So I'm
looking for someone who I think, you know, can plug

(01:18:36):
in and play left.

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
Tackle, right, wrong or indifferent. There's a positive vibe around
for Darien Low. When you talk to his teammates and
you talk to the staff. I think everybody's you know,
they they like the way this guy approaches the game
and everything. Again, he's also not Anthony Muno's as Paul
brings up, but I think that there's a determination, team
oriented kind of a guy that everybody likes that this

(01:18:57):
guy has sort of bought in and we'll try to
fight two injuries even though he's been injured and wants
to help the team.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
You know, that's what's the hard part. I think the
injuries is. I mean, as Paul mentioned, that's you know,
that's I think been the biggest problem. You haven't really
been able to truly evaluate what he can be as
a player because he's in, he's out, he's in, he's out.
I mean I saw him in the locker room this week.
He's got a shoulder all bandage up, he's got a
giant knee brace on. I mean, he's been yet he's
trying to be to crap this year and he continues

(01:19:24):
to try so. Really likable guy.

Speaker 6 (01:19:26):
And that's here's the respect, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Yeah, sometimes these players become like a punch line, and
I feel like that's you know, people who don't even
really watch it all that much, like they just they
you know, he just he's terrible and he's an example
areathing that's wrong. And you know, meanwhile, he's a really
self critical, hard working guy that the coaches really have
a lot of respect for. But again, as Tamara said earlier,
were getting him back out there. Now we're getting this

(01:19:48):
group starting to see them a little bit. I think
he's an athletic guy. I don't know really if he's
you know, a long term solution, as was kind of
hinted at this week, But when you're so desperate for tackles,
as many teams in the league are right now, if
you have one guy that develops and can be solid
for you, who's under contract next year and maybe he
does hopefully kick back to a swing tackle roll or
something next year, but as we're seeing this year, you

(01:20:10):
always always always need depth of the tackles, right.

Speaker 6 (01:20:12):
That's he's miscast here in New England right now. He
might not be might not be a starting left tackle,
but he might be a guy that you want in
your offensive lineman room. That is that swing tackle, that
he can play a couple of different positions, that that's
the kind of guy you want on your team and
in that room. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Absolutely, And I think, I mean, I think they've got
a few of those guys. And now it's just a
question of Okay, you've been saying you need continuity. You've
been saying, all right, now you're starting to get a
little of that continuity. So can we open up some
holes in the run game? Can we continue this quality
pass protection? And again, just to stress it, I really
look up the middle today with the size that they
have with Simmons and Sweat, those guys are really gonna

(01:20:51):
be a challenge for the interior of the Patriots offensive line.
You know, Ben Brown, I know he has gotten some
praise for stepping in there and doing a pretty solid job,
but he's got a really, really tough task today with
those two big guys in the middle.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
Eight five to five Pats five hundred the number Fiddel
from Tampa, Florida, You're next on the Patriots pregame Social
Fuel by Duncan. Good afternoon, Fidel.

Speaker 21 (01:21:10):
Hey, how are you guys doing great? How are you
doing good?

Speaker 12 (01:21:13):
Doing good?

Speaker 21 (01:21:14):
I had a two point I wanted to talk real
quick about one on the game and one of the
top of you guys just had earlier on the game. Wise,
I honestly be them having no problem running the ball
down the throats, especially with our defensive line already in
shambles and without Kyle Duggart in the box. I really
don't think our first or second level be able to

(01:21:35):
limit them. So I really expect a big day from
twenty poller. I guess that's unfortunately. And on the second
thing on the wide receiver talk, because they're talking about
I really think no socks here really wrong on this.
The reason why he's like for a wide receiver to
be a diva'd you want them to be divas. You
want them to want the ball, You want them to

(01:21:57):
be vocal, like if you called Odell Beckham Junior a
diva in twenty thirteen because he was the best receiver
in the game that point. Right now he's not performing,
he's injured. You don't really hear from them, so they
know when their value, and they're going to be good
on the field. They'll express it. If I would trade
every receiver I had for a Diva Milik Neighbors or

(01:22:19):
a Diva Justin Jefferson or Dre mar Chase, because I
know the weapon and I know the output they're gonna
put on the field, It's worth the extra quote or
two in the papers or in the news to me.

Speaker 6 (01:22:30):
Honestly, love the phone call, Fidel, thank you very much.
Love being called out on that. We can agree to disagree.
And I would point to what is Odell Beckham?

Speaker 12 (01:22:39):
Ever?

Speaker 6 (01:22:39):
Won you know? He really wasn't there? I know they
he had a nice party out on the boat with
the giants. That was a pretty good time that he
had with the giants, wasn't he.

Speaker 7 (01:22:46):
I wish there was some way I mentally could have
just used telepathy to tell Mike that I would put
everything I own on the table that Matt will counter
with Odell Beckham stinks too.

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
I didn't say stunk. I didn't say stunk.

Speaker 7 (01:23:02):
But you have you want no part of that.

Speaker 6 (01:23:04):
I'm not interested in here a little.

Speaker 7 (01:23:05):
Felger like in your anti talent.

Speaker 6 (01:23:07):
No incorrect statement Justin Jefferson, Yes, please Jamar Chase probably please.

Speaker 7 (01:23:13):
Probably, probably probably. Yeah, that's all I need to know.

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
I just don't know we're gonna get it.

Speaker 7 (01:23:19):
So arguably the greatest wide receiver of his of the
generation is the only guy that you're all in one
hundred percent justin Jefferson, case.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
By case basis, Paul Well, I you know, is it
wrong that the like admiring what the Bucks have done
with Evans and Godwin and being able to hold on
love it to you guys, love it?

Speaker 7 (01:23:36):
Is that wrong?

Speaker 6 (01:23:36):
No, because that's what I'm sick of.

Speaker 7 (01:23:39):
Win is more of a guy like Matt's talking about
draft and develop right, Mike Evans is a stud, yes, diva, Yes,
like demands the ball has a handstring pull every three weeks.
Oh and by the way, there's nothing but post thousand
yard seasons on his way to the Hall of Fame. Absolutely,
I'll guarantee you that that not everybody would say, because

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there's a lot of people like Matt. I'm in the minority,
Like there's a lot of people like Matt, like give
me Julian Edelman.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
No, no, no, no, please don't don't. I'll take that
diva any day of the week. Now, there can be
guys that take it too far, you know. And I
think Buffalo moving on from Diggs for all the reasons
that you've always said, Mike, you and I have always teased.

Speaker 7 (01:24:23):
Each other all with Diggs. But Buffalo moving on from
Digs when they did, I think was perfect, perfect because
now he's no law longer that guy, but he's going
to continue to act like that guy, and now it's
disruptive to the rest of the room.

Speaker 6 (01:24:36):
Help me out on one that's a little bit more
close to home for yours, truly here did they move
on from Moss at the right time?

Speaker 7 (01:24:42):
Uh? Probably about a year and a half too late.

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
Okay, But I got the best out of Moss.

Speaker 7 (01:24:47):
They got well, they got one, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
I mean I don't know, I don't know about the
best out of Moss, Like Minnesota, Moss.

Speaker 6 (01:24:57):
Was no, no, no, I mean the best. He had a
great year.

Speaker 7 (01:25:00):
But re upping him now gives him the power. And
you know, I think his his effort was in question.

Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
Like after you paid him. Is that your point?

Speaker 7 (01:25:10):
Yeah? Very similar to Corey Dolling, yep. I would say
that I wouldn't have those arguments with like a guy
like Diggs like I never questioned his effort. Beckham, I would, yeah,
Odell Beckham, I questioned his effort at times.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
You know what, I'm just I think I'm I'm just
sick of we need take against that's the only answer
for the We gotta go get te.

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
But just as.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Everybody is obsessed with other teams free agent wide receivers,
and I agree with you that there's three or four
that I absolutely would have loved to have names, please, but.

Speaker 10 (01:25:44):
Justin Jefferson, A J.

Speaker 6 (01:25:45):
Brown.

Speaker 10 (01:25:46):
You know there's a handful of them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
But I just I'm so sick of we spent every
year we spend coveting other people's wide receivers as if
there's no way possible for them to ever acquire anybody,
any receiver that's a number one without having to get
somebody else's team.

Speaker 7 (01:26:02):
But they just haven't been able to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Oh, I understand that completely. But we spend how many
hours do we spend talking about T Higgins as if
is that guy really the aunt T Higgins?

Speaker 10 (01:26:12):
I don't the answer.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
I do not believe, So, I mean, is there point?

Speaker 7 (01:26:16):
What's the question?

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
The question is why do we always have to covet
other teams wide receivers. Why can't we cool? But this
is a new regime. Why why is it too much
to ask? Good receivers get drafted every single year? And
so why wasn't Mike Evans traded at some point? Why
did Tampa Bay hang on to him?

Speaker 15 (01:26:30):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Why can't we want to draft of Mike Evans and
hold on to him? And then we go from Tom
Brady to Baker Mayfield and we've got ones in place?

Speaker 7 (01:26:37):
And I would love to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:38):
Look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Anybody who's good on another team, I would love to
do that, Like that.

Speaker 7 (01:26:43):
Was Nikhil Harry. We swung and missed and I'm gonna
get I would love to do that. I would much
rather draft my own guy and develop them. They haven't
shown the ability to do it, and it's not looking good.

Speaker 6 (01:26:55):
This is a Joe who writes in I don't think
anyone should think Gonzo was Revius, but he very reasonably
looks like he's trending towards being as good as Patrick
Patterson or keep to leave? Is that fair, Paul?

Speaker 10 (01:27:10):
It's a different player than to leave.

Speaker 6 (01:27:12):
To me, a pretty good player.

Speaker 7 (01:27:14):
He's not as good as Patrick Peterson certainly in his prime.
But keep to leave. I'm going Patriots to keep to leave. Yeah,
I see some similarities there, Okay, like like kind of tall, angular,
fluid athletically. I like I like to Leave. As a Patriots,
he was more physical.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Okay, No, like I just every time I see Gonzales,
I just think I think that's a Lamborghini.

Speaker 10 (01:27:36):
That's a Lamborghini.

Speaker 7 (01:27:36):
I think Gonzales can be better than to Leave. Yes, Patriot,
I thought to Leave was a little up and down,
and I think Gonzalez is most steady.

Speaker 6 (01:27:42):
Thecouraging Paul, as you look at our pregame feed from
the field in Tennessee and nash Vegas, there's Drake May.
He's gonna play today. Everybody, that's a reason to hope
for about in fifty minutes to take a look at it.
And speaking of which, Matt, let's get to the over unders.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Please, it's time for this week's edition of over Unders.

Speaker 6 (01:28:05):
All right, Paul, you're Johnny stats. I know you like
to get to the stats. Why don't you give everybody
what they've been waiting for and the season cumulative stats today.

Speaker 7 (01:28:15):
Paul was five and one last week. No socks born
two Mike three and three standings as follows Paul thirty
one and seventeen, no socks twenty seven and twenty one,
and Mike a comfortable first.

Speaker 6 (01:28:26):
Place lead for mister Perrillo. Correct, So let's have you
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The first stat Drake May passing yards one hundred and
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Speaker 7 (01:28:55):
So I am up. Now, is this another announcement that
I missed? That he is starting?

Speaker 6 (01:29:02):
I mean I think yeah, that was that was what
I think. The announcement was he's cleared to play.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Clear he will start, I think was okay.

Speaker 7 (01:29:09):
So that wasn't so that's it, okay over, So.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
You just wanted that confirmation.

Speaker 7 (01:29:15):
Well, I don't know if he was going to play,
like he didn't practice all week, but it was announced.
I for whatever reason, I do not get correspondences on weekends.

Speaker 6 (01:29:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:29:25):
Why I didn't get any. I don't know why, so
I always assume that I'm missing some information. That's that
I and I am. That's as you said that.

Speaker 10 (01:29:32):
I think it was just schefter.

Speaker 6 (01:29:33):
That's an off air topic for conversation, Paul. I will
join you in the over brigade for Drake Bay passing
yards Michael under, okay, Next Mason Rudolph passing TVs at
one and a half, Mike, I'll go under on that one.

Speaker 7 (01:29:55):
I will take the under as well.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
Three for three Drake May's longest completion. I'll lead us
off the number. Is it thirty three and a half.
I'm gonna go under on that today.

Speaker 7 (01:30:09):
I'm gonna stick with my trends until I lose. I
will take the over.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Okay, I'm gonna go on the under on this one too.

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
Total touchdowns in the game three and a half, three
and a half. That's an interesting These guys are smart
to put these lines together. Huh, three and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:30:31):
Paul, I'll take the over me too.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
I don't know, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna just keep
my trend going on the unders. I'm gonna go a
low scoring game.

Speaker 10 (01:30:41):
I got the under on that one too.

Speaker 6 (01:30:42):
Okay, here's an interesting one that draft Kings provided us with.
On the over under segment, Matt Smith messes up to
six pack order.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
The number DraftKings has got that line is one and
a half people have bet not one ever.

Speaker 6 (01:30:54):
As a sponsor that they're checking in. I like that.
I can I can feel that. I can feel that
one and a half on the six pack orders errors
as the.

Speaker 7 (01:31:04):
Guy who's leading the over under. How are we determining
a mess up? Oh well no, okay, well just know
then I'm taking the order.

Speaker 6 (01:31:12):
Yeah, I'm going over to that's three for three. That's
a gimme, I think, don't you think? Now? The only
question is and here's where we get into the integrity
of the rules. That's what I'm saying, right, Can I
on purpose mess up?

Speaker 7 (01:31:24):
See?

Speaker 6 (01:31:24):
I think I can go over again. I can go
over easily without doing it. See now, if I know
I'm on the scale, did I get really bad?

Speaker 7 (01:31:32):
I know, I know you take offense when Mike and
I bring bring up Hardy. But what Hardy would have
done is you would have made us go hope that
we took the same thing taken the opposite and then
rigged it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:43):
Well, I mean there's only one rock Pool and one Hardy,
you know, and I ain't him. He's the best. Last,
but not least. Is the total score today of thirty
eight and a half. Thirty eight and a half is
the is a number for the score, Michael.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Ah, Yeah, that's a little little high for my blood
rock Fight.

Speaker 6 (01:32:02):
I'm gonna go under, Mike Duchos.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Mike, so today I don't feel great about this being
a highly enjoyable game to watch it.

Speaker 6 (01:32:09):
I am going I am going to join Mike toushou
in and under for that number.

Speaker 7 (01:32:16):
Yeah, I'll make it your ANIMs. I have the under
as well.

Speaker 6 (01:32:18):
Yeah. Do you think it's gonna be a rock fight poem? Yeah? Okay,
y well, all right, uh let's see if we've got Yeah,
we've got a little caller we can get to. Let's
go to Eldred on the line. Eldred, Good afternoon. You're
next in the Patriots pregame social fueled by Duncan Good afternoon.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
Eldred, good afternoon.

Speaker 18 (01:32:37):
Everybody. How y'all doing it great? Paul, sir, it took
you fifteen years to come around to my side and
thinking about the wide receiver. But it took you that long.
But I'm glad you finally got there now and no socks.
He'd wrong. But but Paul, I'll let your take on.
Jaylen Wyatt Hyatt from New York. Yeah, they'll be a

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good one. Young guy. Oh to belt with Drake. And
he does have the speed because there's one of the
guy that one that let does the year when he
came out. But about say, I don't say he just
one trick pony and talk, but he.

Speaker 12 (01:33:11):
Can run some routes.

Speaker 7 (01:33:11):
He kind of is a one trick pony. But uh yeah,
but I would I'll take I'll take the trick.

Speaker 5 (01:33:18):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:33:19):
I think I think the trick is badly uh lacking
out of this offense. And I think with Drake May's
ability to get a downfield.

Speaker 6 (01:33:26):
Yes, so your speed guy is in active today.

Speaker 10 (01:33:30):
Yeah, well, well speak guy on paper.

Speaker 18 (01:33:32):
No, No, okay, he just can't catch. He ain't doing
something rocked the route he should be starting. He just
can't catch or something.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
Who are you talking about, Thornton?

Speaker 13 (01:33:44):
Thornton?

Speaker 11 (01:33:45):
Oh, yeah, he just you know what, I really think
he don't want to be here.

Speaker 18 (01:33:52):
God, you got an opportunity to be to number one.
I really think he don't want to be here, to
be honest with you, all right, well, eld you got
out of the ability.

Speaker 6 (01:33:58):
Yeah, thank you very much for the phone call. As
we're looking at the wide receivers, and there he is.
There's your boy, Mike Jalen Polk. You know, looks like
he looks like he's out in pregame warm ups with
a lot of energy.

Speaker 10 (01:34:08):
Good energy, like good energy.

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
Nothing like gauging the energy in the pregame warm up.

Speaker 10 (01:34:13):
How come we don't dance during the pregame show.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
I mean, these guys all dance pregame. I think we
should dance.

Speaker 7 (01:34:17):
Should we should work that in next week? I agree,
that's not about I'm glad that I'm glad that Matt
was looking at you when that was going on, because
I'm going to guess that all of that dancing was
not I don't I don't like that enthusiasm.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
No, I don't like it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:32):
Now, I don't like it. You're painting with the broadbrush.
You're painting with the.

Speaker 7 (01:34:37):
Excitement, athleticism, enthusiasm. Don't like it, don't care for it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:42):
Incorrect.

Speaker 7 (01:34:42):
I want I wanted button down pregame, we should be
thinking about our assignments.

Speaker 6 (01:34:48):
Something said, you know there is something to be said
about the Troy Brown approach though, you know there is
something to be said for that.

Speaker 7 (01:34:57):
Troy Brown put his hand over his head as he
was running into the end zone in overtime.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Game.

Speaker 6 (01:35:04):
I know who's jumping up and down with Troy Brown
cration celebration before we got in the end zone. At
least he remembered to carry the ball over the goal line,
unlike all of your narrows today, all of my heroes.

Speaker 7 (01:35:17):
Yes, so now Melachi Corley is one of my heroes.

Speaker 6 (01:35:20):
Absolutely, speed guy Diva doesn't know enough to carry the ball.

Speaker 7 (01:35:24):
Over the goal line. I like, he's like a powerful
a little powerful slot.

Speaker 6 (01:35:32):
But by the way, the thing that that that just
makes that play just so bad on so many different levels.
It was a really well designed to play and it
was a good run by.

Speaker 7 (01:35:40):
I mean, the kid had didn't see one player of
that game. I might not see another player but Thursday
Night game. The rest of the year, I was kind.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
Of interested in the Jets. I think the Jets are
an interesting national story because of what's going on, and
I I had a they this never happens where I
actually have a thought and I'm right about it. But
I felt very strongly that if I had discernible income
to put in allegal gambling situation, which I can't do.
I loved the Jets on Thursday night because of the

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spot banged up Houston on the road Thursday night.

Speaker 7 (01:36:14):
I didn't realize all those guys weren't playing and Jets
as usual.

Speaker 6 (01:36:19):
The Jets that's usually had to have had to have
it in that game.

Speaker 7 (01:36:23):
And but they played like crap, no.

Speaker 6 (01:36:25):
And they split the other teams just, yeah, they didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:36:27):
I didn't know that. I didn't know that they were
missing that much. Yeah, now that what else?

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
The signs, digs and all the whole defense, the whole
defense was out.

Speaker 7 (01:36:36):
Yeah, I mean, and they still did nothing. I mean really,
if you look at the Jets, success was like two
unbelievable catches by Garrett Wilson, right like prayers.

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
There's nineteen by the way, there's a div I might
want to get behind Paul. He's pretty good.

Speaker 7 (01:36:51):
He bitches about not getting the ball, but he's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
He's pretty good shut outs to take sailor Murphy there
working hard there on the field, getting the shots.

Speaker 6 (01:36:59):
I missed it.

Speaker 7 (01:37:00):
Hunt to hunt to Henry, she.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Looks cozy, sailor is cold a lot? Yes, there she's
she's got the short red the red hat usually bundled up.
If it's below eighty degree is she's bundled up. So
I guess the temperature must be satisfactory for seven.

Speaker 7 (01:37:12):
She likes us calling her out on the seventy eight
and Sonny, I think that's that outfit is befitting of
the day.

Speaker 6 (01:37:20):
There, you know, there you go.

Speaker 10 (01:37:23):
On the weather game.

Speaker 7 (01:37:24):
But didn't they Yeah, that was a preseason game that
we played. It was like stifling hot right there for practice.

Speaker 10 (01:37:33):
Last twenty nineteen we were down there for practice.

Speaker 6 (01:37:35):
That was that was hot. That was you get you totched.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
Out of the car and it was just instantly accept
that you're gonna be drenched in sweat from about three
seconds outside on for the rest of the day.

Speaker 6 (01:37:44):
Don't forget. Last year was the rare back to back
road games where Bill decided we're going to stay on
the road for the entire time between Green Bay and Tennessee.
Kid Bolden got hurt in the Green Bay game, and
I think a check ahead and looking at the weather
in Tennessee saw one hundred, one hundred and two and
one hundred, and they were beat up at the time anyway,

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and I think Bill wisely decided to pull the plug
at that point in times says, we can't we're gonna
go down there. We're gonna get massacred even more.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:11):
They came back regrouped, and it was hot when we
were down there last year for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Yeah it was on the heels of the Green Bay
Joint practice, which was a lot of fun. But yeah,
see Daniel quality there. See if he's able to get
back out there. I thought they did okay without him.
He's been a little up and down this year, i'd.

Speaker 10 (01:38:25):
Say, but miss wee weeks ago.

Speaker 6 (01:38:28):
He's in a bad spot.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Mike and one of those guys, one of those guys
that you know, he say, look, this isn't usually what
you thought his role was gonna be.

Speaker 10 (01:38:35):
But I think he's been okay.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
I mean, it's just they like, like the offensive line,
they just need this group to all come together and
you know, put together a good all around game. And
on defense, I think it's it's critical today. You can't
let these guys move the ball and score points.

Speaker 6 (01:38:47):
On you at two and six, and I think this
is a big part of Gerard's program building year. He
needs He's got to have that little piece of paper
and that pencil going, who are the guys that he says,
let's get this guy signed up. I don't mean that literally,
but we can go to war with these guys. You know,
Vederian Lowe is a guy that I'd want to have
on the program. Daniel Quality, I know we kind of
chirped a little bit, Paul, you pointed that out a

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couple of weeks ago, but I think Daniel aqually.

Speaker 7 (01:39:11):
And I didn't say he was wrong though.

Speaker 6 (01:39:12):
Yeah, Daniel Quality in a different role where you're not
asking him to play seventy plus percent of the snaps.
He's a kind of a guy that's a good rotational player.
I'd want the kind of guy like that on my team. Yeah,
I just don't want to play in seventy percent of
the snaps.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
No, you think he'd be in, you know, an interior
rusher kind of type that could come on, you know,
on passing downs. But yeah, I mean these are the
games that you know, we talked a lot this offseason
about what does success look like? You We've compared it
to the ninety four Patriots season where they, you know,
won the last five games in a row, and you know,
you started the field and crack Paul correct on this.
I know it had to mess up some.

Speaker 10 (01:39:42):
My mid ninety ninety four right.

Speaker 6 (01:39:47):
Ninety three.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
See I'm I'm a.

Speaker 7 (01:39:48):
Last last four games so one and eleven, finished five
and eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
These are the games, though, that you have an opportunity
to win where if you want to start to build
some of those feel good momentum end of season kind
of stuff where you know, hey, we beat some of
the top five teams that are picking in the top three.

Speaker 10 (01:40:03):
We weren't one of those teams. We were beating those
teams as we came down the stretch.

Speaker 7 (01:40:06):
So I'll give you the storyline for next week, and
I'd like to give you the narratives ahead of time, please,
So if the Patriots win this game today that moves
them to three and six, you'll get a lot of
ninety four talk. Okay, magic that the ninety four Patriots
with three and six and then they won their last seven.

Speaker 6 (01:40:24):
Yeah. Great pictures coming to us from Nashville, where Gerard
Mayo is walking amongst his troops giving him a little
encouragement as they're warming up getting loose for the game
against the Tennessee Titans. So kick off in about maybe
thirty five minutes. I like seeing Girod doing this, you know.
I like seeing him going up to everybody and getting

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involved and checking to see if people are ready and
bringing some energy himself to try to get the team energy.
I like that a little bit. I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
I mean, I think as a former player, this is
a time where you know, you kind of feel the
pregame jitters a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:40:58):
You know, this is close.

Speaker 6 (01:40:59):
There's lieutenants right with him too, as you see from behind,
you know, Hi fifty four doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
I like that right, same thing for him too. They
got to miss it still, you know, you got to
miss that a juice on game day, not getting to
go out there and hit somebody. You gotta just coach guys.

Speaker 6 (01:41:15):
Fun nice shot there at Drake mays he's going through
his pregame warm ups and trying to get loose and
everything like that. Mike Dusa calling out early in the
show that this is a pressure game for Drake. May
you know that is there going to be a lot
placed on his shoulders and to make the offense go
so that the Patriots have a shot today. It's an
interesting storyline to watch, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
I think, so, I mean that's I don't know, you
wake up, you get a vibe some days, and just
the way the week lined up, this defense and you know,
the narrative of this being a one win Tennessee team
and just not quite giving the full respect I think
due to the Tennessee defense and some of the pieces
that they have that just can be a problem for
a rookie quarterback. I think anytime you're going into any
game with a rookie quarterback, as we you know learn

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in twenty twenty one learning now like sometimes it's a
little bit of.

Speaker 10 (01:42:00):
A mixed bag.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
You don't know exactly what you're gonna get. And you know,
credit to Drake, his first two games showed really good progress.
I think, you know, the jury was still out on
last week against the Jets, how exactly that game was
gonna unfold for him.

Speaker 10 (01:42:12):
But here we go now we pick it back up.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Here in Tennessee on the road, and we'll see how
he continues to progress.

Speaker 6 (01:42:18):
What are your expectations, Paul, with Drake coming off a
week where there wasn't a lot of reps, at least
physical reps probably in practice.

Speaker 7 (01:42:24):
Yeah, it is a concern, I agree, don't. I don't
think enough was made of that. It's a guy who
hasn't had a lot of starting experience, and now you're
asking him to go through a week that he didn't
have really any preparation time, you know, on field prep time,
like you're enacting the game plan physically, you know, and mentally.

(01:42:45):
I'm sure he took all the mental reps he needed
to take, and he's you know and studying and understanding,
you know, in the meetings and whatnot. But I am
a little concerned about, you know, maybe how the game starts.
Hopefully they take the win last week that listlam. I
know there was a lot of energy in the building
all week. Maybe that listl them and they get off
to a fast start today, And we're not even talking

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about that in the postgame show as we're talking about
a second win.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
I just I wonder what we've seen with him sometimes
is the sprays, the may sprays that just random passes
that all of a sudden are high usually and I
just those can't happen today. They he can't have a
may spray overthrow somebody and it's going the other way,
you know, with a pick. So those are consistency and
mechanics is something without a real true physical week of preparation.

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I just wonder if he's going to be on point
with his accuracy like he's going to need to be.

Speaker 6 (01:43:35):
I didn't realize we had already dubbed that a may spray. Mike.
That's kudos to you for doing that.

Speaker 10 (01:43:41):
Uh, you know, I'm working on that as.

Speaker 6 (01:43:43):
We're watching the pregame warm ups in Nashville. Let's get
ready and do the Sunday six pack, please, Matt. This
is the Sunday six pack, So kick back and listen
up position and I'm getting to getting the pits back.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
You better bring a big stack, get mixed, but win it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:58):
Get This is the Sunday sixth bad So, Paul, I
know you're gonna go through the stats here for a second.
I have a question about the stats. Does the fact
that I picked the Jets in a closet by myself,
with nobody else listening to it against Houston on Thursday night,
does that count anywhere in the stats.

Speaker 7 (01:44:15):
Yeah, it gives you an abd of boy. Okay, Mike,
can I give you we both pick Houston?

Speaker 10 (01:44:19):
Okay, I think you picked you.

Speaker 7 (01:44:21):
You picked up Mike, so Mike got it too. So
you guys both get out of it.

Speaker 6 (01:44:25):
Take Can we add we can't add that to the standings? Yeah, okay,
let us know where we are to stand.

Speaker 7 (01:44:32):
We need it because the three of us collectively are
struggling in the six pack. Mike, congrats solid three and
three a week, You win the week, Paul two and four,
no socks, and I'm characteristic one in five.

Speaker 6 (01:44:46):
Yeah, I really, I can barely pick my nose, let
alone a game. So that's why I when I at
won right like the Jets game, That's why I gotta
posce my chest.

Speaker 7 (01:44:54):
Mike leads the way at twenty three, twenty three and two,
followed by no socks, and I tied at twenty one
twenty five and two, so we stink.

Speaker 6 (01:45:02):
Yeah. I don't think Draft Kings or any other Kings
would be hiring us to help out with their people
at this point. Who knew based on this resume?

Speaker 7 (01:45:10):
Who knew that the Patriots in the NFL at large
were actually doing us a favor by not allowing Yeah,
to gamble.

Speaker 6 (01:45:15):
Yes, excellent point. All right, well we got to pick
them anyway, right, Matt? Is that what they say?

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
We got to pick them?

Speaker 6 (01:45:21):
Okay? I was going to abstain, Matt and that way
it wouldn't affect my record going forward to next week.
But duty says we got to pick them, So we're
gonna pick them. One o'clock, the Miami Dolphins, at two
and five, travel to Buffalo to take on the six
and two Buffalo Bills. Buffalo is nearly a touchdown and
extra point favorite at six and a half. I say

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this a little bit enecdotally. I saw some piece of
nonsense this morning about this game that the great John
oh Smith, that was a terrific signing by the Patriots
a couple of years ago. He's kicking the crap out
of the city of Buffalo and their wings, and you
the wings stink. They're overrated. What is Buffalo anyway? I
don't know why that kind of nonsense kind of opens

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my eyes, but I like it. I'm here for it
and for that reason alone. Give me the Bills in
that game.

Speaker 10 (01:46:08):
Bills.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Yeah, I've tempted with Miami. I feel like they're gonna
get back on track a little bit with some of
their points, so that the spread feels a little high
to me.

Speaker 10 (01:46:15):
But I'm gonna say Buffalo at home, I'll take them.

Speaker 7 (01:46:18):
Yeah, I'll take Buffalo as well.

Speaker 6 (01:46:20):
Next at one o'clock, one of surprise teams in the
National Football League, the five and three Sean Payton led
Denver Broncos, are going to Ballaltimore to take on the
Ravens with a whopping line of nine and a half.
Baltimore coming off an embarrassing loss in Cleveland last week. Paul,
kick its off, please, so I will.

Speaker 7 (01:46:42):
Take the points here with Denver. I think Baltimore will
win the game, but I think they have Broncos defense
is pretty good, and I think that the Ravens defense
is pretty bad. So I think nine and a half
is too many.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Michael, Yeah, I Rubbert stample what Paul just said. I think,
you know, Broncos got a pretty good defense. Ravens is
so mercurial on offense, like I don't I could see
them just going off again.

Speaker 10 (01:47:02):
But I'm gonna take Denver to points please, and.

Speaker 6 (01:47:05):
Too big of a line to pass up. I will
do the same at four o'clock it's the four and
three Chicago Bears who are going to Arizona to take
on the four and four Cardinals, who are giving two
to the Bears. And I think the Cardinals play is
getting maybe lost a little bit in the national chatter.
Their coach is doing a pretty good job.

Speaker 7 (01:47:25):
And I Maine me and Jonathan gannon no, no, no.

Speaker 6 (01:47:29):
Give me a four patriock oh by Mami and Monte
Austin for it. You know, they're doing a nice little
job over there. And Uh in Arizona building a little something.
Maybe Murray looks maybe Murray back post injury, just run
around like any and I always have Michael, you can
kick it off.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
I'll take Uh. I'll take Arizona at home. I think
the Bear is still dealing with some mental fallout from
that last second Hail Mary.

Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 7 (01:47:54):
I'm gonna take the Cardinals too. For that reason. I
like this game though. I like the matchup, you know too,
you know, I think not I wouldn't call them good teams,
but they're sort of rising teams. And I am curious
to see how Matt Eberflus can get his team to respond,
because they had a lot of static in that locker

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room during the course of the week.

Speaker 6 (01:48:16):
Will that kid guard Harrison or will you chirp with
the fans in Arizona?

Speaker 7 (01:48:19):
Mike Tyreek Stevenson, No, I think.

Speaker 10 (01:48:23):
I think No, he's he's got he will cover.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
He's got a cover, He's got it, He's got.

Speaker 6 (01:48:26):
Okay, for the reasons already mentioned by my esteemed panel here,
I will stay with the Cardinals as well. The game
of the day the six and one Paul Perlos pick
in the preseason, the Detroit Lions going to lambeau Field
to take on the six and two Packers with a
little bit of a banged up Jordan Love. Detroit on
the road is giving a field goal in this one?

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
Mike, Yeah, Jordan Love sounds like he's gonna go. But
Detroit is Detroit right now. I don't feel great about it,
just on the road, but I'm gonna take Detroit. They're rolling.

Speaker 7 (01:48:58):
I'm a little worried about that rain that I see
at lambeau You know, this is the Lions first outdoor game. Oh,
I am going to take the Lions because I think
they're better, but I am I'm worried about the conditions
and the fact that the Lions and it's weird because
like when you say they're a dome team, they're into
a team. You think Finesse, you think Ariiel Circus, you know,

(01:49:21):
greatest show on turf, right, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and
Peyton Manning Colts. This is not a dome team. They
play with power, They want to run the all they.

Speaker 6 (01:49:30):
Want, they want to line up on fourth down and
you know, like their meat head coach. But they but.

Speaker 7 (01:49:37):
They don't play as well outdoors. And I'm gonna go
with the Lions here, but I definitely see this going
the other way.

Speaker 6 (01:49:44):
Thank you for the weather report that alone, because I
love those kinds of abstract kind of things in tangible
sort of things. Line me up with the Packers, if
you would please, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
In that one.

Speaker 6 (01:49:55):
Monday Night football, the four and four Tampa Bay Buccaneers
struggling a little bit. I know there's some people nationally
who thought that they were a really, really good team.
Go to Kansas City to take on the perfect Chiefs,
who are seven to zero. Another whopper of a line.
The Chiefs are nine point favorites. Paul.

Speaker 7 (01:50:14):
Yeah, I'm gonna lay the points in this one, just
because I don't think Tampa Bay has the horses to
keep up without the Evans and Godwin Deuce.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Yeah, I'll do the same, but I mean that Casey
offense hasn't quite hit on all cylinders yet. But yeah,
I'll do.

Speaker 10 (01:50:30):
It, but I think it might be closer than that.

Speaker 6 (01:50:32):
Because I'm down and I'm looking to try to find
places to differ Kansas City.

Speaker 7 (01:50:38):
That's a heart e pick. That's how it's done right.

Speaker 6 (01:50:42):
Well, So Kansas City has got a tough time given
nine to anybody these days. They're still clearly the best
team in football, but they're working through a bunch of things,
and you know, they'll work through a bunch of things.
They'll probably never really be threatened, and they're gonna win
by six, you know, And that's that's who they are.
That's who the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 (01:51:01):
Right now. That they had that cover the you know,
the whole fourth quarter and then they let up it.
Oh by the way, touchdown at the end, they look up,
they don't cover right.

Speaker 6 (01:51:08):
Yeah, very interesting piece. I want to give a shout
out to Jeremy Fowler who put a lot of work
into it. I don't know if you guys saw it. It
was on the Worldwide Leader page Comparison trying to compare
the Chiefs in their dynasty and how the Patriots are
built in their dynasty. I did walk into different people
read it.

Speaker 7 (01:51:26):
I just didn't there was no there there, Like I
didn't think there was any real you know. It's like,
oh and it's hard to like continue to win and
this is why the Chiefs have been able to do it,
and this is why the Patriots did it. So like
I just I needed more. I found myself to you,
I did I read. I read this. I thought it

(01:51:47):
was an interesting topic. Yes, and I just thinking, and
this is you know, I know people are going to
be surprised. This is not like a criticism because I've
had a million of those in the twenty five years
that I've been here, Like, you know, you know, what'd
be a good idea X? And then I sit down
to write X, and I'm like, I got nothing. Yeah,
and I think that was a really good idea. And

(01:52:09):
then he kind of sat down and wrote it and
there was kind of nothing there.

Speaker 6 (01:52:13):
My reading comprehension skills aren't what they used to be, Paul.
But I thought some of the things, like who they
choose to pay, how they choose to do it, trying
to make sure that they're keeping up with the Joneses
because every other week another quarterback signs and passes Mahomes.
But Mahomes still is getting more money than anybody else.
But we're going to walk away from Tyreek Hill, which
and trade him. That doesn't seem to make a lot
of sense. But they haven't missed him yet, you know,

(01:52:35):
so I think that that that kind of stuff interested me,
But who knows.

Speaker 7 (01:52:38):
Yeah, no, I think that's that's valid. But that was it? Okay,
Like how you know, I know one can keep every player,
but I mean it's pretty easy.

Speaker 22 (01:52:49):
Like you have a really good coach, you have a
really good quarterback and there as long as those two
things are in place, you're really good every year. And
then if you can do a good job in acquiring
some pieces around, you're going to be great. And for
a long time, Belichick was great at that, and then
he wasn't. Yeah, I thought he just became just another
one of those good teams.

Speaker 6 (01:53:10):
Yeah. I think the relationship between Red and their personnel evaluator,
I'm going to butcher his name. Yeah, I thought that
was interesting, you know how that they're like read and
he have a great relationship and they're really on the
same page as far as how they're evaluating player exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:53:26):
He knows what Reid wants, right.

Speaker 6 (01:53:28):
So that leads us to the game of the day,
at least here at diddressed with a two and six
Patriots travel in Nashville to take on the one in
six Tennessee Titans. Tennessee, maybe, to the surprise of some
Patriot fans, are three and a half point favorites.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Michael, Yeah, I could go either way on this game.
To be honest, I felt pretty confident like the Patriots
could win this week. But right now as we get
ready for kickoff, I feel like it's gonna be a
little tougher than maybe I thought it was gonna be
this week. I'm still gonna go with the Patriots. I'm
still gonna go Patriots twenty sixteen. But I just I
need Drake May to play well today.

Speaker 10 (01:54:00):
That's that's what I need.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
I worry if we come in here, we're gonna talk
about rookie game for Drake May.

Speaker 10 (01:54:05):
They couldn't quite get the running game going.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
He made a couple you know, fumble, you know, a
couple mistakes that just gave Tennessee enough to squeak out
a game. I'm gonna air on the side of positivity though,
as we're making predictions, and I'm gonna say he's gonna
do enough today. Twenty to sixteen Patriots.

Speaker 7 (01:54:22):
So a great Patriots watcher, analyst, media personality for kursh
once taught me, if you think there's a chance the
Patriots are gonna win, right, yeah, that's gosh darn it.
You take the Patriots, and that's what I'm gonna do.
I think the Patriots have every opportunity to win this

(01:54:42):
game today. I don't think that they will be, you know,
dealing with one of these games with the other teams.
You know, what are you gonna do? The Patriots played hard,
they played tough, but the other team was just better.
I don't think that's gonna happen today. I don't think
the other team is just better today. So I have
a low scoring kind of rock fight game. Sixteen to twelve.

Speaker 6 (01:55:03):
New England first year program head coach Brian Callahan for Tennessee.
You know, this is a tough spot for him to
be in. They are going to expect you know, there
aren't a lot of other two and six teams coming
in against the two and six Patriots. Can they build
some momentum off of last week's win where the coach
called them soft the week before, you know, interesting spot
for first year head coach Girod Mayo. I'm gonna push

(01:55:25):
my chips. I'd like the Patriots today because I think
they're gonna show it's just going to be a keep
building and stack them up kind of game. I like
the Patriots to come from Tennessee come back with another win,
and Paul, you were talking about what did that win
mean for the for the fans and the talk of
the week. I think we're gonna get a lot of
draft pick chatter if the Patriots win, which is kind

(01:55:48):
of nonsense, but I think that that's what.

Speaker 7 (01:55:50):
Oh, I think you're going to get there right back
in it talk. I'm gonna I'm just gonna tell you
right now, this is what's going to happen. The path
is going to exist by four point fifteen, this out
this afternoon. I'm telling I've done this before. It existed
last year when Mac Jones can't remember who we threw

(01:56:11):
it passed to. When Mac Jones hits somebody, maybe Hunter Henry,
I don't know when mac Jones threw a touchdown pass
on the last play of the game to beat the
Buffalo Bills. Yes, the path was okay, the path suddenly materialized.

Speaker 6 (01:56:25):
Do you recall by the way you recall great dance
by Kasiki, another very very productive player, you know, with
the diva tight end.

Speaker 7 (01:56:33):
And just so you know, he's been productive everywhere he's played,
but here other than the one year he played in
New England. That might have had something to do with
the quarterback just saying no real.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Quick, guys, just looks like another new offensive line. Maybe
not new, but one we've seen before. Low Jordan Brown
Robinson at right guard and when you back out to
right tackle according to warm up, so little little little shape.
I think they played with this one before. But Michael,
when you back up.

Speaker 7 (01:57:00):
That's a questionable Tyreek Stevenson not in the starting lineup
today for today's game. Good move. I think by Matt Ibraflus,
they have to think something like and I he was
as stand up as you can be. I saw I
read the quote and I saw him deliver it. This
is a guy that understands, like, man, did I do
something really wrong to let down fifty two guys? In

(01:57:22):
my locker room, like I think he totally gets it.
But you have to do something, you have to you
have to do something. I think I even if it's
just not starting like is ceremonial as a play like
something had to had to have this. So same thing
here as we look on an NFL network that they
flashed to the Colt situation with Anthony Ridgardson. Your quarterback

(01:57:43):
asked out of the game because he's tired. He needs
to sit the next game like he needs to he
needs to have something like I understand that that's a
tough road to navigate when you have a young quarterback
and the whole you don't want to take him out
because it's hard to put him back. I don't believe
in that. I think that Anthony Richardson could be fine

(01:58:04):
in the future if he you know, if he turns
out that he has the ability to play at this level,
which he has not demonstrated yet. The fact that he
got taken out of the starting lineup is not going
to derail his career. The fact that he has played
fifteen games in college and you know, everybody said that
this guy would not be ready to play. Yet they
decided to play him immediately. He's not ready yet.

Speaker 6 (01:58:25):
When was he drafted again? For fourfoof those? Are those
are job changing decision? I think in that lock or
somebody like that, and a guy taps out and you decide.
And I saw something earlier on NFL Network where they
say it doesn't make no surprise. I think when they

(01:58:46):
were making the decision, I think the players went into
the coach had said, we can't have a guy who's
you know, begging out, he can't be our quarterback.

Speaker 7 (01:58:53):
And they had to do ninety year old Joe. But
the four and four so they're in. They're in it,
and they need to they need to move on because
they have enough veterans on that team. You know Jonathan
Taylor and you know center, you know hard all the linemen,
you know Hey Quinton, all those guys that they did,

(01:59:14):
they deserve more.

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
So you had to make a move like Joe Flacco
coming in, but fifteen years after the two thousand and
nine playoff game, like crazy, that.

Speaker 6 (01:59:22):
Guys, it really is incredible. Well, it'll be an interesting
one to see Drake may And this is his third
professional start, correct, fourth right started four stars that Jack Jackson, Yeah,
four starts, so.

Speaker 7 (01:59:40):
This was just just you know, a little bookkeeping. I
had Matt Smith for three wrong orders in the six pack.

Speaker 6 (01:59:49):
I think you had a pen on the other side
of the glasses. Goal is showing a number four. I
went over on that didn't I you went over.

Speaker 7 (01:59:55):
We all took the over. So it's not like there's
not there's nothing untoward here. But generally it starts with Mike,
then me, then you, Dannex starts with me. You started
off with yourself, and then it just spiraled out of
it right so here, so I'm going to get the
over the win.

Speaker 6 (02:00:11):
Can I make a suggestion as we're wrapping things up,
is similar to the email address and the phone number,
Write that down for me someplace. All right, that'll do
it for the Patriots pre game social fueled by Duncan
for Mike to Show and Paul Prillo, Tamara Brown earlier
on Matt Smith. Enjoy the game. We'll be here to
wrap the whole thing up after the Patriots take on
the Tennessee Titans kick off in about fifteen or twenty minutes.

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