Patriots Pregame Show 12/1: Patriots vs. Giants Preview

Tune-in as Kwani, Deuce and Paul give a full preview ahead of the Patriots Monday Night Football matchup against the New York Giants. They share their keys to the game, matchups to watch, and predictions on how the night may unfold. Plus, Matthew Citak of Giants.com joins the show to preview the game from the Giants' perspective.

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Speaker 4 (00:43):
It is Week thirteen of the NFL season, and I'm
sure the Patriots can smell their Week fourteen bye week
just ahead. We all do as well. Right, is that
the candle.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Smell the bias?

Speaker 4 (00:54):
It smells so good. Paul Paroles here miked, So I'm
Kwannie Lennis, thank you for joining us here of a
Monday night football matchup against another than the New York
Football Other than It's gonna be a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
I hope that's gonna be a little I have a
hard time tonight, A lot of pressure on us.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
They're holding the fort down today.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
There's no Giants blue. I thought there'd be some Giants.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
The Patriots blue today. For the Patriots, of course, absolutely,
and of course the team. The matchup is intriguing just
because historically it is a good one. But we still
need to note the Patriots are tending to the Giants too,
and ten for a reason for.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
The records tonight twenty it's Monday Night football. It's it's
been a long at that point.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
Now there needs to be a win for the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
That they've had multiple score leads in the fourth quarter,
and why can't they hold on with tonight? You know,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I would tonight be the week that they're hold on
to it? Hey, exactly, Why don't you have a little optimism? No,
don't you change your ways?

Speaker 5 (01:53):
And understand I'm preparing myself because the Giants have ended
some wind streaks in the past. I don't know if
everybody's aware of that, but.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
My lips, I don't.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
I don't ye.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I spent the whole pre the whole pre show. You know,
when we do show prep. You come in here show
prep when I'm eating donuts, and you were just perpetually optimistic.
And you come out of the shoot the first two
minutes of the show and you're talking about a certain
winning streak getting broken by the new.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Like going way back to eighteen games. This one's still
too soon, I know for Pats fans.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Giants know a little something about in winning street.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
I mean, I was out on the the you know,
out by the tunnel out there, and I you know,
I see those white jerseys and I just I can't
help you. It's lost two Super Bowls to that team.
And I get a little bit PTSD when I see
that the white with the white unions from the Giants,
although I will say I had to go back because
I was looking at their pants. They wear white pants
now they used to wear gray pants, and so not

(02:52):
quite as triggering as it might be.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
For real, where did he come from?

Speaker 5 (02:56):
I'm just preparing for a game, preparing for a game,
back and forth, off with the talk. I just think
the Giants and Jackson Dark coming back fast and loose.
Let it rip, you know. Offensive coordinator takes over somebody.
You know, they fire their defensive coordinator last week, someone
new stepping in for him as well. I just think
they're gonna come after the Patriots, and you know, I

(03:17):
think Patriots just need to be ready for that kind
of game. And now maybe I'm wrong, maybe the Patriots
are ready to go. But I asked Formando Stevenson when
we were in the locker room on Saturday about this
schedule that they've had with a Thursday night game, then
a long week to Sunday. Now they've had a longer
week to get getting those guys thrown off their routine
a little bit. I'm just looking at this game as
a one off kind of a cap for the regular
season on Monday night football, national audience against a team

(03:40):
that you have some history with. But you know, there's
an a lot of pressure on the Patriots NFC team.
I mean, if they if they did lose this game,
I don't think it's the end of the world. But
I just would love to see them wrap up this
first part of the season, get a win, have all
of your dreams and hopes in your own hands as
you look at those final four games. Those final four
games aren't going to be all about playoff off seeding

(04:00):
and division titles and trying to jockey. Tonight, it's just
about come out here, finish off this part first pat
first part of the season strong, and come out with
a win.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, I agree, Mike, and I think it's important that
they do that. You know, Denver, you know, almost gave
them a little help last night. Washington couldn't quite pull
off the upset, so they are kind of forced to,
you know, holt serve and keep pace with the Broncos
that you know, both on nine game winning streaks, right, nine.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yeah, the Patriots are yeah, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Both on nine game winning streaks. So I agree with
you in that it wouldn't be you know, the end
of the season or anything disastrous if they were to
slip up and lose this game tonight, non conference, but
if you have your eyes on that number one seed,
it would be important. We do have a little bit
of news too, because of the the enactors you know,

(04:51):
are already out and some good news for the Patriots.
Earlier today, the Patriots added Garrett Bradberry to the injury
report with an illness. Obviously, you're already down to starting minment.
Will Campbell on ir with the knee injury. Jared Wilson,
you know was gonna miss this game. We already knew
that with an ankle injury, so to lose your center
would have been really problematic. Brad Berry is at least

(05:14):
gonna give it a go tonight anyway. So only down two,
not three starting offensive linemen. The one addition to that
list that is noteworthy to me, Mike Kyris Tong.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Again for sure without you know, you already lost Milton
Williams a couple of weeks ago, and now you know,
Tong has been playing great, especially against the run. This
is a Giants team that really wants to try to
establish the run. They're gonna try to run the ball.
So it really puts a spotlight to me on guys
like Corey Durdin who's been, you know, playing well, but
I think they really need to lean, you know, lean

(05:45):
into him. And then you know, the other part of
it to the guy who's missed a couple of games,
Josh Farmbosh Farmer as well. He's going to be back
and be healthy. So those guys alongside Christian Barmer are
really gonna have to go in there and turn in
a good performance today because they're gonna the Giants are
gonna try to run the ball at those guys for sure. Uh,
they were already going to do it, and now that
your depth is being tested, they'll they'll probably be even
more likely to do it. And then you know, we'll

(06:07):
see Kate and Wallace active for the first time you
mentioned that, Paul, if you know, if Bradberry were not
able to continue, you might then you might see all
of a sudden, Ben Brown sliding from left guard to
center and Kayden Wallace in it left tackle or left guard,
and there just a lot of change that you'd like.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Well, Brendon Himus, who was elevated from the practice squad,
you know, to ostensibly provide some depth at guard. So yeah,
we'll keep an eye on all that, all that stuff.
So keep an eye on Bradberry, see if he's able.
You know, he's going to start. You know, we'll see
if he's able to go the whole way. And the
other thing, Mike, that you and I with that inactive list,
Marcus Bryant, who is you know, basically been your backup

(06:45):
right tackle so far, and when Morgan Moses has missed
a snap or two here or there. You know, Marcus
Bryant has gone in tonight. He's inactive, you know, and
they have helped me.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Out like the Academy junior.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
You know, they just were able to reacquire He was
on the practice squad briefly went to Cleveland. Cleveland moved
him from their active roster to the practice squad. The
Patriots poached him back and he's up and active tonight.
So my guess is he's your third tackle tonight after
Brederian Lowe on the left side, and of course Morgan
Moses on the right side.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
And do you see him maybe as a sixth offensive
lineman maybe for some of the blocking taking care.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
Of these edges possibilities Rundless Douce really good.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Only Josh McDaniels knows for sure, but I think there'll
be some of that to try to handle these really
dynamic edge players that the Giants have.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And to the point of earlier
when you were talking about this matchup, the storylines, of course,
people know they picked Giants, just fired their head coach,
intermed coach right now, Kafka stepping in. He was an
offensive coordinator before. So I think this game is also
going to be a test of what the Giants are
going to be doing when it comes to their play call.
They have a new play call around defense as well,

(07:56):
and seeing how like, again, there's nothing at stake for
the right now at this point other than just keeping
their head up in the.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Season and building around Jackson Dart exactly. Yes, they went
back to build some confidence in him. And you know,
Giants have been in a lot of these games that
they've lost, They've had leads in a lot of these
games they've lost. They want to try to, you know,
get over the hump. And I'd say a big part
of the play calling to me tonight is before he
got hurt and got concussed, they would run him a lot,
especially in the goal line design runs for him. Do

(08:26):
they continue to do that stuff with.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Seven rushing touchdowns and you know what only but a
half dozen of show starts. So yeah, I mean, I'm
really going to be interested to see how much Mike
Kafka allows him to run tonight. The story on ESPN today,
you know, something we're familiar with because we've had a
lot of Drake may stories.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
It's like a you know, I think Chris.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Gasper was just talking about it when I was on
the sports shop with him. It's like a twelve hundred
word story on basically, Hey, yo, Jackson Dart, you.

Speaker 6 (08:55):
Need to slide, yeah, slide that game again.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
We talked about this a lot earlier in the season,
with Drake May taking some unnecessary its.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
I'd be curious to see if the.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Giants coaching staff wants to sort of get that out
of Dart a little bit.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
You know, Let's get you here.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
You know, we're in December, now, Let's get you to
the end of the season healthy, and then we can
sort of build on some of the things you did
well and then you know, next year, We're not you know,
not taking the running game away from you, because I
think that's a big part of what he wants to do.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
But it's got to get some experience.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
I wonder if it and I don't know, just is
it a Dable thing to Dable really like that threat
of his legs. I mean, because Drake May is a
great runner too, and we really haven't seen the Patriots
try to do, you know, much of that stuff. But
I've just been impressed with how quick Dart is and
his ability to these are the things tonight that I
I'm just like, I be ready to get driven nuts.
By third down, everybody's covered, he scoots out and you know,

(09:48):
picks up some first times. So Drake may does its
other teams all the time, but you know, Jackson dark
and scoots and they got to be mindful of it.

Speaker 6 (09:54):
And I would be curious to see that.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Is it just those kinds of runs or are they
gonna say, you know what, it's third you know, we're
going to put it in your hands, Jackson, you know,
go and knock a linebacker over, you get a first out,
you know, through the Josh Allen thing.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
I don't think that's a great way for the Giants to.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
That's the fun lot with young quarterbacks too, of like
not trying to interrupt their style of play.

Speaker 7 (10:17):
Well.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Also, again you're coming from concussion protocol. You do have
to protect your quarterback knowing that your O line may
not be able to do so.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, he's got to trust that, you know, he knows
when to get down into and to protect himself. So
because if they don't feel confident in that tonight, I
do think it's a big part of their playbook that
is out and they don't have Cam Scatabow anymore. Who
was that kind of short yardage power back where they
were using Dart for some of those plays. So we'll see.
Maybe they just lean into Tyrone Tracy and let him

(10:43):
have the bulk of those carries.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
But I think he's a better player than scatboy. Yeah,
oh yeah. But yeah, just.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Don't not much death, you know, and when I mean,
you know, that've lost a lot when they had some
juice going with scatter Bow and Dart when he first
came in. You know, those were those were the two
guys kind of leading the charge early on. But they've
had a lot of injuries, just like the Patriots have recently.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
Yeah, and those two have been pretty similar.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
They basically had the same amount of carries Scheduble a
little bit more production, you know. But that's what the
Jet the Giants want to do. They want to try
to be a physical team and sort of shorten the
game that way. So I think that's a real key.
I mean, it kind of brings us to keys ahead.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
No, you're perfect, let's get into it. The keys of
the game.

Speaker 8 (11:29):
You've waited all week for the whole teams in the
locker om, right, now just listening to this, waiting to
hear what you're going to say.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Here are this week's keys to the game.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
We got so excited about the matchup and as we'll
get into the actual keys to this game. So who
wants the honors of going first?

Speaker 5 (11:45):
I'll go first. I'll jump in, you know, along along
lines of what I said, I don't really look to
take anything from this game in the grand scheme of things.
I just look at this as a great opportunity in
front of a national audience with a great atmosphere, for
this Patriots team to finish this part of the season end.
I'm going in anticipating that you're going to play a
team that is just gonna let it rip, and they

(12:05):
might make some mistakes, they might make some big plays,
but they're going to continue to play. And I think
that's what the Patriots have to do in my view
tonight is don't blink, don't think too much about how
the game is unfolding. What does it mean we let
up a drive Vederian log got beat around the corner
by Brian Burns, Like you know, these kind of things
probably will happen tonight, But just want to see the
Patriots show the mental resolve that they've shown all season

(12:27):
long when we've seen ups and downs from this team,
and towards the end, they've been able to fill it out,
you know, play their best when it's on the line.
And can we continue to see that as injuries have
piled up with you know Williams, who's been a breath
of fresh air this year and has been outstanding. I mean,
Kiris Tong has come out of nowhere, you know, those
two guys just on that side of the ball. And
then Jared Wilson and Will Campbell, your two rookies who, yeah,

(12:48):
they've been rookies and they've had some rookie moments, but
they're you know, their personality is what they've injected into
this team in the way that the team rallies around
those guys. So you're gonna see a little bit of
a different Patriots team tonight, one that's maybe licking their
wounds a little bit and have some guys out. So
can the remaining guys pull together right through the ups
and downs of this game with that I think are
going to happen and be able to still pull out

(13:09):
a win in the end without some of your key players,
and you know I should say too, Harold Landry, you know, questionable,
he's going to play too. He's clearly been working through something.
If you met read Mike g Reese's notes this weekend,
pointing out you know, he evaded, you know, serious injury
against New Orleans, but he's still been dealing with some
little stuff. So guys like him, you know, limp into
the finish line a little bit. But let's not make
too big a deal out of it. Let's go out
there in front of the National Alliance have and see

(13:31):
a great game.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
Yeah, I agree with Mike.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
You know, you're a little banged up, and you know,
just sort of stay focused, keep your eye on the
prize and keep that in the future, and concentrate on
what's going on. And I think it's going to be
one of those kinds of games where you know, my
key is bring your hard hats, and I just think
it's going to be one of those physical games, one
in the trenches. I know you could say, you know,

(13:56):
all games are one in the trenches. I don't necessarily
believe that's the case, but you know, I watched a
little over the weekend, and you know, I watched what
Chicago did on Black Friday in Philly, and I watched
what Buffalo did yesterday in Pittsburgh. You know, to game
two teams on the road in tough weather that just
absolutely dominated that the line of scrimmage and you know,

(14:19):
ran for two hundred plus yards. In Buffalo's case, shortened
the game and worked around their deficiencies. If they had
to have a traditional Buffalo offensive game plan against Pittsburgh,
I think they would have been in trouble without their
two tackles and with those edge rushers for the Steelers,
and I think they would have had they would have

(14:40):
been hard pressed to keep up. So I think the
Giants want to run the ball tonight. Patriots need to
make sure they don't let them do it well.

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deserves better. And Matthew, we were just talking about obviously
this historical matchup, but also the realistic part of the

(15:07):
fact that the Giants are not having the best season
this year. But right off the top from you, the
coaching changes over the last few weeks generally can always
affect the way a team plays. So what are you
expecting in this one, especially with a new defensive caller
in this game tonight.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, it's certainly been an interesting last couple of weeks
with all the changes on the coaching staff, but we'll
focus just on the defensive coordinator change since that was
the most recent one. So this is gonna be the
first game that the defense will be playing under new
defensive coordinator Charlie Bullen. This is his first time calling plays,
but he is an very experienced NFL coach. He has

(15:45):
a ton of experience under Vance Joseph Matt Burke, two
of the top defensive coordinators across the NFL. You guys,
I'm sure accustomed to them in the AFC over there.
So I think we can expect to see maybe a
slightly more aggressive defense then we've kind of seen under
Shane Bowen previously. I mean, those are, you know, hallmark

(16:06):
characteristics of the Broncos and Texans defense. So I do
think the defense is going to be maybe a little
more aggressive. Now. The defense took a little bit of
a hit because Cavon Thibodau will be missing his third
consecutive game, obviously one of the starting outside linebackers alongside
Brian Burns.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
But that just means bigger opportunity for Abdul.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Carter to, you know, hopefully attack that injured left side
of the Patriots offensive line, maybe get his first full
NFL sack tonight.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Along those lines, Matt, he seems like he's been productive
but hasn't really resulted in the sack numbers. What have
you seen from that rookie Abdul Carter? And do you
expect him to be a big factor tonight going against
Patriots banged up tackles here.

Speaker 9 (16:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
So obviously when you're the number three overall pick, you
have some high expectations. And so when you look at
his stats through the first twelve games, you only see
half a sack in the box score. You know, that
doesn't jump off the page, of course, but if you
look at at some of the underlying metrics, he's getting
a ton of pressure on opposing quarterbacks. It's just none
of them have really translated to sacks. You look at

(17:08):
the guy on the opposite side of the defensive line,
Brian Burns. His pressure numbers aren't that high, but he's
converting them into sacks at I believe, the highest rate
of any outside linebacker in the NFL. So ab Blu
Carter has still found a way to make an impact.
It just he hasn't come up with any of those big,
splashy plays that I think we are all kind of expecting,

(17:29):
you know, looking at his tape from Penn State the
last couple of years. So again going up against a
backup left tackle, backup left guard, maybe this is his night,
you know, in primetime on the national television to have
one of those breakout performances.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Matthew On the other side of the ball, you get
Jackson Dart back in the lineup tonight, and I know
he's been his legs have been a big part of
what he's done. But also you have the you know,
the drawback with the concussion issues. So how much do
you expect to see Mike Kafka actually ask him to
use his legs tonight or do you think they try
to reel him in and keep him a little bit

(18:03):
more protected.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, So that's definitely, you know, a million dollar question.
I think we've all been wondering since Jackson got clearance
from the concussion protocol a couple of days ago. If
I had to guess, I would say, you know, maybe
Kafka doesn't call quite as many designed runs for Jackson,
you know, those plays where he's specifically going out and
running with the ball. But Jackson's still going to scramble,

(18:26):
you know, He's still going to extend plays with his legs,
and I don't think the coaching staff is going to.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Encourage him to not do that.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
It's such a big part of his game and such
a big reason why he's had so much success through
his first seven starts. So I do think Jackson will
still run with the ball, but I probably a couple
less of the design runs that we've accustomed to seeing.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Just sticking with Dark, what have you seen? How have
you seen him progress from his first days as a
rookie in training camp to you know, finally getting his shot,
going out and getting hurt now he comes back. How
have you seen him develop?

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Yeah, I mean he's.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Really been impressive since day one. Now, we try not
to too much stock in rookies or anyone really having
strong performance during training camp in the preseason because at
the end of the day, that doesn't it doesn't really
matter until you do it when the games actually count.
And so it wasn't the biggest surprise though when he
carried over that success from the summer into the regular season.

(19:19):
I mean, I don't know if we expect it quite
as you know, hot of a start right out of
the gate, but the way he kind of commands the huddle,
commands the offense, calls the system as you know, the
whoever's calling the plays wants him to it has been
very impressive. And you know, he showed a lot of
good characteristics around the offense between just his way going

(19:42):
through the progressions, hitting the open receivers in stride. So
he's really been an impressive start to his career. For Jackson,
you know, we're hoping coming out of this concussion, coming
out of a couple of games off, that he can
continue his strong play from earlier in the season and
you know, finish the season strong.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Follow up with a question about THEO Johnson seems like
he's really taken off this year and it seems like
dark really looks his way, big body, tight end. Patriots
have had some trouble with those kind of guys. How
have you seen him progress this year?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, so THEO Johnson had a little bit of a
slow start to the season, but then as soon as
Jackson Dart took over, his production just started skyrocketing. He
seems to be Jackson's favorite red zone target. He leads
the team in touchdowns this year with five, But it's
really been the last couple of games. He's set new
career highs in two of the last three games for

(20:34):
the Giants, including last week against the Lions. I believe
it was seventy seventy seven yards. But the thing that
really impressed me was he had a one catch where
he just jumped high, pointed the ball really like full extension,
and made the grab, was able to get both feet down.
He's really taking a nice jump in year two, and
him and Jackson just have a really strong connection going.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Matthew, how close are the Giants to the team that's
able to get two score leads in the games or
are they closer to the team that just can't seem
to close them out? I mean it's two and ten,
but what what do you think that this team's potential is?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, I mean Look, this is the best Giants offense
that we've seen in probably fifteen years. I mean, they
have scored over twenty points in I believe it's seven
straight games, and that's two of them obviously without Jackson
Dark Jameis Winston filling in, So the offense has really
been firing on all cylinders.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
It's and they're the ones.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
That obviously, you know, getting out to these double digit leads.

Speaker 6 (21:33):
It's obviously been the defense.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
That have been kind of unable to slow the opponents
down in the fourth quarter, which is, of course, as
we know, the most important time where you got to
come up with.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
Those big stops.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
So I don't think this team is that far away.
I mean, obviously, when you're a two and ten team,
you can't, you know, expect to just flip a switch
and all of a sudden become a Super Bowl contender overnight.
But I think, you know, the bones of this team,
the structure, it kind of reminds me, honestly of what
you guys probably went through last season. Once you found
Drake May is your rookie quarterback, you have a good roster.

(22:05):
You know, we'll see what happens with the coaching search
this upcoming offseason. But I really don't think that this
Giants team is too far away from at least being,
you know, in that playoff hunt going into next year.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Well, we don't need to see them do that this year.
Selfishly speaking before a Giant fan by the way, before
we let you go, what is your prediction for this one?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Oh, I don't want to give any you know, win
lost predictions.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
I think it's going to be a close, a close
game though.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
You know, obviously you Patriots are ten to two riding
this nine game winning streak. It'll be an oppressive win
if the Giants can come out with the upset. I
do think it's gonna be a very close game, though,
I would say my prediction is it will end in
a one possession game one way or the other.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Because you work for Giants dot Com, we want you
to keep your job as well. That's acceptable for this time.
Thank you so much for your time. We have could
ask you more questions. Well, we appreciate you stopping by.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Thanks Matt, Thank you much tonight.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
So that's twice these two guys that refuse to give
us a prediction. Cowannie's right, you know, sometimes not everybody's
liked it like it is here.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Yeah, right, not every team exactly.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
We worked for Pages dot Com and they give us
a little latitude to sort of, you know, analyze. I
think a little bit more than some other teams too,
and but I think it was interesting the way you
sort of I think he's landing now he's Giants dot
Com guy. This is the way we probably if it were,
if we were in the same spot. They're good enough
to get these two score leads, some of them late,

(23:36):
I mean fourth quarter two score leads, but they're not
quite good enough to close them out. And the problem
has been defensively, which you know is one reason why,
uh you know, Shane Bowen lost his job. But Mike,
they have a lot of money tied up on that
side of the ball.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
They should be better.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
I liked what he said. That was where my head
was going. But this seems like a team next year
that will probably get a fourth place sket like the
Patriots did this year. They're going to get a high
round draft pick to add a little bit more talent.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
Fourth place schedule this year, it's the hardest schedule in football.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Really, like fact really, Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
It's funny how that works. Huh, Like, I mean, this
whole thing is designed to keep teams. You know, you
just think, oh, you finished the top division, you're going
to play other top teams in the division. And it
doesn't seem to work.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
But there's only three games that are like that. Yeah,
you know, the other fourteen games, you're playing your division
teams twice. You play the same division on one in
each conference, like you know, like the Patriots in Buffalo
played virtually the same schedule. There's three games difference. Now
those three games make a big difference because Buffalo played Houston,

(24:39):
Kansas City, and Philadelphia as opposed to the Giants, the Raiders,
and the Titans.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I bet it was good
off still get another fourth place year, But they have
the quarterback now, and I think that's you know, if
you can win some games here down the stretch. For them,
Patriots didn't want necessarily win games because they wanted.

Speaker 6 (24:58):
The draft decks.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
That's probably the they're also having there. But you know,
you can see Malik Neighbors comes back next year and
Abdul Carter has a year under his belt, and they've
got the talent in the right spots, kind of like
the Patriots did. Where Patriots needed the left tackle, they
went and got him last year. But we'll see they'll
have an opportunity to probably have another high round dropt
pack this year. Get somebody to help Jackson Dart exactly.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
We're taking a look right now at some of the receivers.
Little Tennis how Well is exactly a little hand eye
coordination games. But we were talking the matchup about one
thing I wanted to ask Matthew was just about offensively,
how the Giants, despite their lack of good defense, plan
on pressuring Drake May and this one which is part
of my key as well, just thinking fast and making

(25:38):
sure that he's not taking too long to make decisions
in the pocket tonight. But how do you too, foresee
this lackluster Giants defense to.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Protect the edges? I mean, Brian Burns has a ton
of sacks, and like we said, the rookie Abdul Carter
doesn't have the sack numbers, but he's a disruptive guy
and he's really athletic, So I would expect you'll see
some misdirection stuff trying to get those guys to be aggressive,
come down, and you know, then all of a sudden
the ball's going the other way. But you know, Dexter
Lawrence is a piece too. I think he's hurt, like

(26:07):
he just he's not playing as much. I think he
intimated this week in the locker room that seems like
he's fighting through an elbow injury. Didn't practice the first
two days, so he's dealing with something. That's a little
bit of a break for the Patriots. But they got
to protect the edges, protect the edges on those two guys,
and I think they'll be okay.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Do you think that.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Josh mcgeniels will have to do some different things tonight
to help out Bitarian low third and lungs.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean in certain spots, I would say,
I mean, I just you just want to try to
stay out of those points, you know. But I would say,
ideally you'd like to run the ball and keep the
defense on their heels and not you know, get into
situations where you're gonna be predictable and it's going to
give Brian Burns a chance to just get out on
a wide nine and you know it's a third and
fifteen and you gotta have it. Like those are not

(26:52):
situations that the Patriots want to be in tonight, So
you know, to your point Kwanny playing safe not giving
them turnovers. Just you know, it's kind of what I
was saying. I just I don't know what to expect tonight,
but not good things if you don't have.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Brian Burns, you know, has been as productive as the
as the pastor I mean, he's second only to Miles Garrett.
And if you wanted to be snarky about it, who
better than Paul snarky about it? The difference between Brian
Burns and Miles Garrett is Brian Burns hasn't played the
Patriots yet, ya, Miles Garrett had five against the Patriots.

(27:24):
Obviously you know Miles Garrett is the better player or not.
See John just you know, making the point that Brian
Burns is a guy who needs to be reckoned with.
And I definitely think that Josh McDaniels has to give
some extra help to Mogan, Moses in Vederian Lowe, whichever
the case may be, Chips with the tight end, maybe
you know, sliding some of the protections that way, maybe

(27:46):
moving almost a dart, moving may you know, away from
from that side. But I would be really surprised if
if McDaniels didn't do some of those things. We didn't
see a lot of that last year with Alex van Pelt,
who I thought did a better job than he was
given credit for overall. But one thing that I would
say where the criticism was warranted is I don't think

(28:09):
he did a lot game plan wise to work around
his deficiencies up front. McDaniels has done a much better
job with that.

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Go back into the Patriots pregame by Duncan. Duncan will
be keeping us up all night for this exciting Monday
night football matchup. But like right before the break, we
talked about the run game. Yeah, well let's get right
into it. Yeah, what exactly are you two expecting in
this one?

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Well, I'd love to target there, you know, thirty second
in yards, thirty second in yards per attempt. You'd love
to feel like you could run the ball tonight, shorten
the game a little bit, take the pressure off with
the edge rushers. But the Patriots haven't been able to
run the ball really at all this year, and last
week with Mondra Stevenson came back seemed more like he
is in you know, a very small role, almost more

(31:34):
for his blocking than really his carries. But even having
Terrell Jennings back, you know, and seeing last week, I
mean the Lions piled up what I mean two hundred
and thirty seven rushing yards, and I mean the Patriots
don't have that that run game, but you just would
love to see Trevan Henderson get in space like we
saw last week with the Lions and you know, making
those kind of big plays that just changed the complexion

(31:56):
of the game, something they were missing last week. So
if there's any universe where they can get this running
game going and Trell Jennings is going and Remondra breaks
a couple of you know, Travon Henderson's making big plays,
I think this it would just be a huge, huge
win for this team in terms of just taking the
Giants out of what they want to do. They want
to get after the quarterback third a long situations, stay
out of those run.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
The ball be huge.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, I do think there's always the possibility that Henderson,
you know, it turns in a big player or two
the way.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
Gibbs did for for Detroit last week. I'm just not
expecting it.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
I I'm not saying I'm giving up forever on the
run game, but I'm not going to predict it until
I see it happen on any kind of a consistent basis.
I think this is an opportunity tonight. I think people
are going to be expecting them to be a little
more conservative with the offensive lineman out. I want to
throw it early and off, and I want to I
want to try to throw the ball to get the
lead and then do the mic to show, you know,

(32:50):
throw to score, run to win, Mike.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
So I like that.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
But the Giants secondary, they've taken a few injuries over
the last few weeks, so they're not at the strength anyway.
Do you foresee that being another reason why you would
prefer them to be in there.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I just think they's been a better passing team than
running team. They haven't been able to run the ball
really all year. They had the one game they had
great numbers in Tampa, which you know, and I'm not
discounting them because they were they were huge plays in
the game, but it's skewed a little bit by the
explosives that Henderson turned in on the two long touchdown runs.
Otherwise they were really held in check in that game.
Even now, certainly you'd take that if you can get

(33:28):
a you know, a fifty yard touchdown run and otherwise
average you know, two and a half yards to carry.
It's not ideal, but I'll take it because I made
the big play. It's the banking on the big play
in the run game is is kind of a hard
way to live. I however, you know, I've had you
know what, ten twelve games now, or I can bank
on a productive passing game, So I'm going to bank

(33:49):
on one tonight.

Speaker 9 (33:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
No, I like it. I like it.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
Let Drake bake, Yeah, Drake bake.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
All right, Well, we're getting some calls. I want to
hear what the people you know what? Actually, while we
wait to get to the calls, because I don't have
my mouth right now, I will figure out where it is.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
Sorry, Yeah, can you call up from there? You know?

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Can we can we get to Patty? He's been waiting, patient,
Thank you, he's there. He's been drinking heavily since since Patty,
how many deep are you right?

Speaker 6 (34:19):
Now? Tell the truth, I'm zero, but so disappointing.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
So disappointing, Patty like some some some nights, Polly.

Speaker 11 (34:29):
Like I've I've had my greens today.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I know we'll wait for the post game show when
you'll be uh half in the wrap up?

Speaker 6 (34:36):
What do you got?

Speaker 11 (34:37):
I gotta work tomorrow too, So it sucks, all right,
I got three things what I expect. But before I do, Polly,
I gotta give you kudos because you you you're you
had it right on Caleb Williams guys playing You know,
I didn't wasn't had nothing to do with the crying,
but like, I didn't think he's going to be as
good as he's been. But anyway, here's the three things
that I expect are going to happen in this game.

(34:59):
And they might be get they might get progressively crazier.
So the first thing is it's primetime. I'm expecting Stefan
Digs to have a big game. He usually shows out
in primetime games. The second thing, I think, with you
heavily on, yeah you will, I think we're gonna be
able to run the ball a lot better because I
love Jared Wilson, but he is undersized at left guard.

(35:20):
And I think that Ben Brown is bigger, stronger, and
I know they didn't run a lot when he was
when they played for Carolina. But the backs, all three
backs play, played a decent game. And the last thing
is the coaching matchup. I mean, I already think Rabel
is one of the best coaches in the league already,
and against Mike Kaska. Come on tonight, come on, let's go.

(35:43):
I mean, this is it. It shouldn't be game. I
think it is going to be a ton of a
close game. But I got them win in twenty seven
to seventeen. That's all I got.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
And optimism, Yeah, I think the game is going to
do something. I like it.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Mike had the numbers for the Giants run defense. It's
been terrible toll. Yeah, and I know technically it's worse
than the last time we said they were running against
a terrible defense, which was let me see if I
can refresh my men. Oh, last week against Cincinnati's I
believe thirty first ranked run defense and they couldn't run,
you know, anywhere again. It's gonna happen. You know, I'm

(36:20):
not going to tell you it will never happen. I'm
just not prepared to predict it will happen until I
see it on a more consistent basis.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
Yeah, do you think if you put much into the
coaching advantage? It's one of those things.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
I mean, I think Rabel has an advantage, but you know,
it's not anything I necessarily lose sleepover going into the game.
And matter of fact, I think the unknown of Kafka
and Boland sort of mitigates that a little bit like
Woton really knows what exactly don't expect?

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
We talked about a question Evan asked Brabel about it.
A new defensive coordinator filling in the outside linebackers coach
Charlie Bollen. You know, what does it look like all
of a sudden? I mean, you're so used to kind
of like an offensive coordinator taking over a head coach.
You've seen that happen before, but this kind of an
instance of what you know, does he like, does there
get to be end of game situation or end a

(37:12):
half situation where the clock's running and it's all the
stuff that you love, Paul of managing the clock and
you know and knowing all those things. How experienced are
these you know? Is this coaching staff on both sides
of the ball now ready to handle some of the details. Yeah,
I don't know. It's just if the opportunity presents itself,
it might be a spot that the Patriots could maybe
have an advantage.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I thought it was interesting to listen to to Matt
Sytek talk about he expects it to be a little
bit more aggressive, you know, from an approach standpoint, defensively again,
so you don't really know how that manifests itself.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
You haven't really seen it, so it's hard to prepare
for it. And with Kafka, what's he been there? This
is gonna be his third game in a fourth game maybe,
So there's just not a lot of data to fall
back on now. Last week, you know, two trick plays
end up being touchdowns, you know, not expecting to run
a bunch of trick plays again tonight when you just

(38:04):
ran a couple last week.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
But can you rule it out now?

Speaker 3 (38:07):
So I think the unknown I think Vrabel's a better
coach than a guy who's an interim coach. Coaching is
third or fourth game whatever this is for Kafka, But
I think it is mitigated somewhat in just that unknown factor.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
YEA and that could be good or bad. We'll see.
All right, let's head to Nebraska, where tay is is
our first Nebraska call.

Speaker 12 (38:29):
Hi, day, how's it going, guys, just calling in. I
was noticing these past few weeks it seemed like maybe
things have been a little slower for us, and I've
been noticing just on social media and everything that seems
like these guys are fired up and ready for this game.
And that's what I'm hoping is going to happen tonight.

(38:50):
I'm hoping that everybody comes and plays hard and shows
out and steps up for all the pieces that we're
missing right now. Thank you, guys, all yeah, yeah, thanks
for calling in.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Well, I'll tell you one thing, I hope the team's
a little bit more fired up than.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
A little tied.

Speaker 6 (39:05):
I sounded like it might have been a little under
the weather.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Yeah, it could be it too Well.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
I get what he's saying, though, and I think Monday
night football brings some juice. And you know, I just
I keep flashing back a few weeks ago with the
Thursday night game with the energy in the building, and
I'm sure it'll be the same tonight, you know, just
to get you get you going.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
I'm not as confident.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Really, it's been a slow seems like it's.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Been kind of business as usual around here, like you know,
like we didn't go four and thirteen the last couple
of years, Like this is ho hum.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
The giants are here ten and two.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I would like to see what Mike is talking about.
I don't really feel like I found that. I know
a lot of people agree with you, Mike. And that
Thursday night game, I thought it was kind of a
whole hum night that night, and I thought the Patriots
was sort of in a closer game than expected for
most of the night. And I would have thought tonight
would have been, as an example, a really tough ticket,

(39:56):
and evidently it wasn't.

Speaker 13 (39:58):
No.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
I mean maybe you know in the secondary market, but
I think no.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
I match your feelings about the build up to this week.
But that's why I feel like I'm hoping that Monday
night football and the juice that comes with that.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
What did I say right before the show started? I
was like, I need some engine. Oh yeah, we just
saw a video of a Robert Craft and Randy Moss
walking in. By the way, yeah he's suiting up today.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
The past or not split your defense so many.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
All right, let's let's sad to Arizona. Hopefully the weather
is better there, Hi, DJ right better than this? Dare
you warm?

Speaker 9 (40:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (40:37):
You hot here?

Speaker 13 (40:40):
I hope everyone's doing well tonight, Richard.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
So.

Speaker 13 (40:46):
My thing is I think where everyone is like kind
of stuck in is the record of the Giants and
not the fact that, like y'all know, y'all talk about
it all the time, they are close in so many
games and just.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
Blow it in the fourth.

Speaker 13 (41:01):
I feel like if we have that lackluster start that
we always have and don't juice it up in the
second and third like we always do, and fall off
in the fourth, I think that cycle that we've been
doing could lead to us losing this game ultimately, because
that's been our trend. First quarter, not so much. Second

(41:22):
and third we bring the juice, and then the fourth
we kind of fade away, and I feel even with
the Giants, that still could lead us to a lost
What do y'all.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Think, fairpoint?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, that is the pattern. I would agree with the
pattern that they've played much better in the middle of
the game than they do at the beginning.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
In the end, yeah, that's you got to break some
of those trends. I mean, it's just, you know, Jackson
Dart seems to me with those rookies, they don't know
what they don't know yet. And it's even if he
throws interception, he's going to come right back and throw
it right back down the field again. And that's what
I'm expecting tonight. Just along those lines, is the pitchers
can control the game out of the gate, and I think,
I mean, I like what Paul saying. If you come

(41:57):
out and it's just a Drake make clinic down the
field then right into the into the end zone, that'd
be an outstanding start to just put the giants on
their heels and not give them that chance, because if
you give them that chance, they're going to start to say,
we've been in plenty of these games before. We have
to start finishing, and.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
You're boosting their confidence.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
What this team needs like if you know, we know
what it was like last year, you want to come
out of this season feeling like we got a kid
who can win us some games. And you know what
a great feather in his cap it would be to
come into the Patriots on Monday Night football. And like
I said, it's like what the Giants do to the Patriots.
This is what they do. They screw and the screw.
That's why stress tonight.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Now we know the true reasons of your stress. So well, no,
let's get some more calls. They're gonna go to Colorado.
I was so excited to get to over unders. But
let's see what Dan has to say. Hey, I.

Speaker 14 (42:47):
Dan, Hey, guys, so quite frankly, I think not only
do we need to win tonight, but we need to
win in a convincing, dominating passion day. What you want
about this Giants team being in some of these games.
This is a trash Giants team circling train, and we're
a team contending for a top playoff spots. We need
to dominate. So it's not just a matter of get
through this week. We need to start dominating slop like

(43:08):
the Giants tonight. And I'm expecting us to win a
convincing fashion tonight. Give us at least a twenty point
victory is something like thirty to ten. Anything less, I'll
be a little disappointed.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Not gonna lie agree make bad teams look bad.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, I don't really understand that mentality, really, I mean,
I understand why you want that to happen. But why
you'd be disappointed if they win and it doesn't happen. Yeah,
I mean, you've played twelve games this year, eight of
them have been decided by one score. So if what
he says happens, you know, is going to happen happens,
then that's an outlier.

Speaker 6 (43:41):
I don't know. That doesn't to.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Me mean that you're not a good team and you're
not capable of being at the top.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
You think the.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Broncos right now are like irritated that they had out
hold on and stop a two point conversion, you know,
to win the game last night. I mean, I know
that the defense in particular is probably disappointed in the
way they played, especially down the stretch, allowing you know,
game you know, scores on you know, potentially game winning drives,
you know, and the regulation and then in overtime. But

(44:07):
a win's a win, and that's all. That's all you
got to be concerned about.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
This time of year.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
Everyone's beat up.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
Just everybody's beat and get get to get to the by,
get a win, get to the by eleven and two.
Everything will be on your in your hands.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
If you really look at the games, you know, the
ones that got out of hand in the Patriots favor.
You know, it was too Marcus Jones punt returns in
one game.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
It was.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
The game where cam Wood just dropped the ball and
Caylevon Chasin picked it up and ran it in to
give you the the you know, the the.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
Breathing room that you needed.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Uh, you know the Cleveland game, Dylan Gabriel comes out
in the second half and throws the ball to the
other team splaying, runs it back, and so you know
that's if that happens tonight, you're probably gonna win the
game going away. If it doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised
if you have a repeat of what you had, like
I said, in eight of the other twelve games, where
it goes back and forth a little bit, you have
the lead most of the time. The Patriots have had

(45:00):
the lead in most of these games for most of
the time in the game, and I expect that to
be the case tonight.

Speaker 9 (45:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
I'd like to see more takeaways from this defense too.
I mean, the you know, the Marcus Jones one last
week was was great, but I mean it's just I'd
like to see more plays on the ball, more forced fumbles,
you know, a lot of people really look at forced
fumbles as a measuring stick for defenses of how aggressive
and physical you are, and there's just there hasn't been
quite enough of that. And I think as you get
into these last four games going forward, that's that's the

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place where you got to start making plays in the playoffs.
You got to not turn the ball over and you
got to force the ball, you know, force the takeaways
on the other side of the ball. So it's just
something something to look for. Would be great tonight if
they could force Jackson Dart into some mistakes.

Speaker 6 (45:37):
But check in with my boy, Nate. Wait, while class
is probably over.

Speaker 15 (45:41):
Here, you guys, Nate, not much. I got a couple
of keys for us to win this game. First off,
I think we really need to utilize trev On Henderson more.
I know that, like we've used Andre and a lot
of situations. I'm pretty sure we used him for all

(46:03):
those downs down at the goal line in Cincinnati where
we failed to score.

Speaker 6 (46:07):
That's not true, but go ahead, not true. Now, they
used both.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
They used all three backs down in by the goal line,
all three of them.

Speaker 15 (46:14):
In Okay, that's my fault then, But I think I
think Traveon Henderson. Can you know the way he spins
out of those tackles and gets get some speed on
the outside. I feel like that could really be a
key for us to win this game. And uh, I
feel like we also need to see Christigan Zalez bounce
back from uh Cincinnati. You know, I think he's had

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somewhat of an off game in Cincinnati, and you know,
play players have that. But this is prime time and
I think we should see some good stuff out of
some good players that have a good expectations.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
I go past again, thank hey, Well, you know, the
Henderson thing kind of gets under my skin, Like twenty
one touches last week for Henderson and twenty four of
the week before, while Stevenson last week. This is apples
to apples, because that's Stevenson didn't play the previous game.
Stevenson had five carries. Henderson had eight, sorry, six carries.
Henderson at eighteen, So you're talking about three times the

(47:09):
amount of carries. How many more are we supposed to
get him? Like, what's the right number? The Henderson thing? Really,
I think Henderson is terrific. I want him to continue
to get to be a part of the offense. I
just don't know why every time it doesn't work when
he gets the ball, it's the it's the coach's fault
for not using him, right, because that seems like it's
the narrative that's developed is every time Stevenson has stopped,

(47:30):
it's because he's not being utilized properly. Yeah, anyway, that's
that's a me issue, not a you issue.

Speaker 6 (47:36):
I will definitely take a blame on that.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
I would say to the Gonzales, like, I'd like a
quiet night from him. I'd like to like because it's
one Dale Robinson, it's you know, him and Theo Johnson
are going to be the engine tonight. So I'd like
to just not see Christian Ganzalez like.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
He's just he's covering with Isaiah Hodgins.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
Isaiah Hodginson, that's going to be a guy that.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
He's going to be seeing, like, you know, we don't
we don't see.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
I think it's got to be a Marcus Mark Jones, right,
you know there's a smaller, you know, you know, shifty
interior slot guy.

Speaker 6 (48:05):
I would think that Marcus Jones sees a lot of him.
But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, stranger things have happened.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
We shall see all right, Before we wrap this up,
we have to get to over it. Unders and over unders.
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last week on this so? Oh say this knowing?

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Last week Kwannie again five and one, Mike four and
two and once again loser boy one in five season
standings Kwannie forty seven and twenty five, Mike forty five
and twenty seven. That's all you really need to know
about Paul thirty three and thirty nine loser.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
We'll just blur him out. Eventually the graphic will eventually
start to fade. All right, Well, maybe this week you'll
do a little better.

Speaker 6 (48:59):
Maybe.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
And that being said, we're gonna start with maybe anything
is possible Drake May. We're gonna start with his passing
yards right now at two hundred and forty six and
a half.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
Oh boy, you know I'd love to say Oh, they're
gonna run the ball. They don't need Drake to throw it.
But I'm gonna lean towards Paul's thing that they are
gonna throw it and Drake's gonna have some success against
the secondary. I'm gonna go over.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Please, yeah, really, Age, you guys probably already figured out mine.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
I'm gonna take the over for the exact reason Mike
just said.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
I'm gonna shred this.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
I overestimated last week with the passing yards I think,
but I'm gonna go with let's go with the under
on this one. Just you know what, I don't know why.
We'll see Travon Anderson speaking of his rushing yards sixty
five and a half. Will he be able to get
some more yardage today? I say, yes, all right, I'll

(49:51):
go over on that one. Yeah, just switching up everything
we said.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I'm gonna take the under on that because I think
this is going to be more of a passing game.
That would be smart, and I think he'll get over
that number from scrimmage, but just not rushing. I like that,
You're right, rushing yards, that's I think I heard Danie
Rolofsky say that today too, but I I agreed with
it before he even said he stole it from me.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
He took he went his brain. All right, I'm under under.
Next up Stefan Diggs receiving yards of course if we're
in the air.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
That was like, no, this is when I'm channeling my
inner Patty, and I agree with him for the same
exact reason. He gets juiced up for these primetime games.
I had the big one, you know against Buffalo Monday
night game. I'm gonna take the over. It's been a
little quiet lately.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm on the overt.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
I'm taking over as well.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Diggs night.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
It all digs all the time. Yeah, all right, andres
poor Gallice his kicking points seven and a half. This
one to me, we had a lot of work week,
you know what.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
I'm going to go under on that one. Yeah, I
think they score in the red zone.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Wow, that's a lot of faith. Hmmm. I'm thinking about
last week now. I think I'm going to go over
on this one.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yeah, I'm taking the over also. Yeah, I mean that's
a tough one, tough one.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah, you have some rationale behind your podcast. And then
we have total New England touchdowns. That's at three and
a half. I am going to take the over on
that because they better.

Speaker 6 (51:34):
I'm going to take the under under his logic. Yeah,
this is good number.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Yeah, three and a half, I'm.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Gonna go over. I'm gonna get crazy, a little weird.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
We'll see that being said. Final score total score actually
forty six and a half. We gotta do some math.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Yeah, I take the over on the on the total,
I like some points tonight.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
One points yep.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
I think I'm going to do the under under, even
though I do want points. But I don't know this
this Giants team is.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Just I'm going over. I don't know if all my
picks makes sense if you line them all up the same.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
I was like, I don't know if it actually.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
This game is going to look like agree, but I'm
I'm going.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
To go over on You're very consistent. You think more
than you think at least four touchdowns, but that's twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Yeah, I'm gonna go and you're.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
Going with the over like that's consistent? It was under.
Those are all extra points.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
On all right, don't judge my final score.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
The Voice of Reason. Okay, it's time for the Sunday
one pack.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
No time. I wasn't gonna play the over for the
one pack.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
Please just a Sunday one pack.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
It's just a one We won't play the open for it.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
Don't get it mixed jazz. It's just a one pack.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
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Interesting numbers this one.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Yeah, Paul wins the week at three and three, Kwanty
two and four, Mike one and five, season Kwannye wins
that one to thirty six and thirty two Mike twenty
nine and thirty nine, Paul twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
A little bit of a battle at the back.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
I can't can't, I can't make up any ground this week.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
This is the one. We have one shot at this one,
one opportunity. That being said, two and ten New York
Giants add the ten and too New England Patriots, New
England seven and a half on the spread for this one.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Yeah, I'm gonna go I went over. I think this
one's a little back and forth. I'm gonna say I'm
gonna take the Giants with the points, though I think
it is closer than seven and a half. I can't,
I can't pick up a game, but I'll take the
Patriots to win. Thirty one twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Thirty eight twenty eight. Have you guys gotten your score
prediction right?

Speaker 9 (54:00):
Yet?

Speaker 5 (54:00):
Every time?

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Every time.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
I think this game is going to be a little
easier than Mike.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
I think it will be back and forth for a
while until maybe a key fourth quarter turnover by Jackson
Dart allows the Patriots to get some separation.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
Thirty three to twenty New England.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
I like a key turnover. Nice. Nice. I'm going to
take New England with this red because I according to
my over unders and again just not having to make
it lineith. Yeah, in this Giants offense, I think, yeah,
dark will run them in. But yeah, man, I'm taking
the Patriots on this one.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
So first time Patriots and giantson met here on Monday
night football. Yeah, should shout out the throwbacks. Very nice, Paul,
But they're still pretty nice, pretty nice.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
I like them.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
They're fine, perfectly adequate in their atiquosity.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Patriotic American Red, White, and blue.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Both teams just reminds me in the mid eighties, and
that's just not a time that brings back a lot
of fun memories.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
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five podcast.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Now on the trip down Memory Lane, No but choking aside. Actually,
check at our first episode of the nineteen eighty five podcast.
A lot of hard work myself, mat Morell Alex back there.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
So, yeah, if you remember that season and want to
remember some of the how the team came together, how
it all went down, Paul's right, it was pretty bleak
in the mid eighties except for me, the Andre Tippett
and and everything like that, right.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
You know what, not that we need to barg this
down when we got five minutes left. But that's my
biggest problem with that era is it wasn't a team
that was devoid of talent. You know, from seventy six
to eighty eight, call it, they had pretty good talent
and but for a couple of seasons here there, they
really did failed to live up to it.

Speaker 6 (55:47):
That's what.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Yeah, you know, seventy six, seventy eight, eighty five, eighty six,
you know, those are the four playoff teams in that era.
They they would playoff caliber, and I think eighty two they.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
Also made it in the strike season.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah, they would playoff worthy virtually throughout that time, and
they didn't make it enough.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
That's kind of my memory of those teams.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
Very right, very right, and a lot of underrated players
on that on that team, I mean the secondary and
even players like you know, Mike Haynes. You had to
get a Hall of Famer here the left and you know,
won a Super Bowl elsewhere. A lot a lot of
those players, but enough of a corps remained from that
seventies group, and Paul's right started in the early eighties,
adding a lot of talent like Andre Tippett, who was
just an absolute machine there off the edge, kind of

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like we're gonna see the night these giant s edge defenders.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
No what I'm excited about this podcast too. You said
you pulled some old sound and a lot of research
went into it, so that could be something you guys
listened to or watching out morning.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Lots of art, but just the first one out, but
every Mondy I think will be a new one coming
out in the first ones out, which really covers the
seventies and these teams that fell short. Like Paul said,
and you know seventy six, a record setting ground game
in seventy eight that lasted all the way till twenty
nineteen when Baltimore won it. So they really did have
some talent, but they just always fell short until that
until that eighty five season they made it to the
Super Ball and they fell short again, but just to

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get there, they were they were a special team.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
A couple more on the line or right before tip off, Ethan,
how are you feeling in Iowa right now? Ethan? Are
you with us? Ethan fell asleep? I hope he doesn't
miss the game? All right? Andy? And Vermont you're a
final caller, Andy, Andy, what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (57:27):
This is what happens when I people on the line
and then they're not ready to go.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
You lost your privileged people.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
This could be an interesting game tonight because of the
way the Giants have played. If they can continue to
play the style that they've generally played with Dart at
quarterback and in the last two weeks with Winston at quarterback,
I think it could be an interesting game tonight.

Speaker 6 (57:48):
You know, given the Patriots uh.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Struggles the last couple of weeks stopping the run that
allows the game to get shortened again.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
I think to to Pittsburgh and Chicago.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
They're not going to score a lot of points doing
it that way, but they can stay in the game
doing it that way if they can run effectively and
shorten the game a little bit, make it a low
possession game.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
Yeah, I think that's how you stay in it.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I can't imagine the Giants are going to be in
the thirties tonight, but if they can get to to
the to the twenties, yeah, I think you have a
chance to win.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Yeah, we want good football at the end of the day,
where we also want to Patriots wins. Give him something.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
We'll come in here and say, Tyrone Tracy's running all
over the defense that you know that that's the you know,
the elements for failure and you know again THEO Johnson,
I just think Patriots defense has struggled inside the red zone.
I loved how we teed it up for our guests
saying Jackson Dart has a special fondness for him and
is just ready to throw the ball to him, you know,

(58:44):
whether he's covered.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
And he had a bold prediction for you tonight, Giants
do not score in their first drive.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Whoa well, well, no quick, Paul.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Interesting about half from Giants do not score in their
first drive. Patriots defense comes up with a stop.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
That would be good. We would like to see that.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
But then again, Jarre, I say you three and oh ooh, spicy.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
You declare that would be a nice start though, right.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Well, we'll give you guys that would be really nice.
Get some snacks, go put the game on. Come back
here after the game to see what we have to say.
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