Patriots Pregame Show 9/15: Seahawks Preview, Keys to the Game, Inactives Analysis

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Speaker 2 (00:50):
Good week to morning to you, Michael, Good morning to you, Paul,
same to you.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Beautiful day for football match and i've heard home opener.
I don't know if you've seen this on Twitter, but
evidently it's beautiful out there.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Not football weather.

Speaker 8 (01:01):
No, well is it not. I think it's got to
be in a certain range.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's a little too hot.

Speaker 8 (01:06):
I think it's not the couple several Yeah, it's gonna
be Chrisper needs to be chrisper handful needs to be
Chris half dozen.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well. Week two, the New England Patriots one and oh
are hosting the Seattle Seahawks one and oh uh the
Super Bowl for members of the Super Bowl forty nine
team will be honored at halftime. I saw Malcolm Butler
last night. I believe Malcolm Butler will be featured in
pregame festivities today.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Believe it is the Keeper of the Light.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, whatever is that?

Speaker 8 (01:33):
Do that right?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
You did some shocking looking people that you'd go, that's
Dan Connolly. Uh, Like he actually looks like he's almost unrecognizable.

Speaker 8 (01:44):
He looks like he actually could return a kickoff at
this point.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Much different looking than the guy who did return the kickoff.
So that'll be a nice thing for fantasy today. But
we're talking football here. As the Patriots begin their home
opener hosting the Seattle Seahawks, Mike set the table for
us off of their Week one win. What are you
looking forward to seeing today?

Speaker 8 (02:03):
I'm looking to see if they can you know, how
much of that game they can carry over in terms
of it being clean and you know, not self inflicted wounds.
I mean, no turnover is probably hard to expect that
to happen again, at least not every week, but keeping
those mistakes down. If they're able to do that, if
they're able to get off to a good start, I
think they'll they'll give themselves a chance today. But I
just think what can happen is a cavalcade of mistakes

(02:23):
all of a sudden or you know, false star all
that stuff that we saw a little bit too much
of in the preseason in summer. They got to keep
that stuff clamped down.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
I agree with Mike. I think that's the key. And
I think most of the stuff that Mike just mentioned
is preventable you can control, you know, the pre snap stuff.
And I think that they need to stay out of
their own way the way they did in Week one.
If they can continue to do that, they will give
themselves a chance.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Much has been made of the fact where they said
we want to run the ball. Cincinnati knew they wanted
to run the ball. They reuin the ball. Can they
get away with doing that again and showing their intentions early,
committing to it, and is their chance for a repeatd tocess?

Speaker 8 (03:00):
If I'm the Seahawks and Mike McDonald, I'm gonna say no, No,
that's what I'm going to take away. I'm gonna take
away vermondra Stevenson. I'm gonna say, beat us. You know,
I want to see you beat us with the pass
a least in the first half. I would come out
heavy focus on ramondra Stevenson, heavy focus on stack in
the box, and you know.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Not we're not.

Speaker 8 (03:15):
You know, Let's let our cornerbacks that you know, they
have a pretty good defensive secondary here. Let those guys
hold up and let's see if we can just make
them in yardage, third and longs, those kinds of situations.
I don't think the Patriots have proven that they can
consistently handle those yet. I mean, it's early in the season.
Every team's got to prove it. They haven't had to yet.
If I'm Seattle, I'm going to make them prove it.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
How do you combat that, sir?

Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah, I mean I listen. I think the Patriots are
going to run the ball. I don't think they have
a lot of things to do at their disposal other
than that. So if Seattle is able to, you know,
put the ball strictly in Jacoby Brissette's hands and do
it that way, I think Seattle's gonna have an edge.
I don't anticipate that. I think that Seattle's banged up already.

(03:56):
You know where you need to be strongest to stop
the run. The lineback you know, you know, Nuwasu is
definitely out. Terrell Dotson missed practice time. I think their
top three linebackers are all dealing significantly less than one
hundred percent. I think this is an opportunity for the
Patriots to play the way they want to again, the

(04:16):
way they did last week.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Mike, let's get Patriots fans up to date on maybe
the biggest news item of the week. And I think
people were surprised to see what happened when Chucks Yeah
left the team.

Speaker 8 (04:27):
The uh not so well known exempt left squad list
a sudden movement there yesterday for him. So, according to reports,
he's trying to figure out if he wants to still play.
I guess so. I don't think this is unheard of.
You guys probably have a little bit more experience than me.
I mean, it's certainly rare, But at the same time, guys,
I think sometimes usually it happens at the end of camp.
I forget someone someone telling me sometimes the first week

(04:48):
of training camp. You get some of these offensive linemen
who they get out there and they realize, you know what,
I can't do this anymore. I wish I could say that,
I'm I mean, look, it's a it's a blow in
terms of depth, but I just think he's been one
of their most consistent mistake guys. You know, going into
the summer. We all know what happened in that preseason
game when he I think he took three three false

(05:08):
start or illegal formation penalties. He was also good in practice,
one of the guys that was often like man, he's
he's one of the false start guys you know, responsible
from stakes. So I don't want to pile on the guy.
I mean, clearly, I'm not sure his head is in it,
but I think some of the signs were there through
the summer that he wasn't quite fully engaged.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
I agree. And we did see this list last season
with Matt Carrall. You know, they had used the same thing,
you know, the exempt left squad list. I don't know
if this has anything to do with Chukes, you know,
in terms of like mental health or or anything, but
you know, just strictly from what Mike is talking about,
what we've seen on the field. He seemed a little

(05:45):
indifferent to me. You talked about the false starts, Mike,
you know, like just you know when you see a guy,
you know, commit a fall start penalty and it's like,
you know, immediately banging the helmet or like at least
trying to make it look like, oh, I didn't really move,
you know, just sort of a resignation about it. We
talked a lot about after the Washington preseason game with

(06:05):
the alignment penalties, and I put Chukes in this category.
I put a win Wu in the category too, Like
it was almost like an indignant nature to their response, like, well,
they called him, but I wasn't really off, you know,
I wasn't really lined up incorrectly. I don't know if
this is something that he's upset about his playing time
or being moved around as much as he has. He's

(06:26):
been left tackle, he's been right tackle, he's been the
swing tackle. Maybe he's frustrated. Maybe this is something like
I said, you know, and you don't want to speculate,
but maybe something not football related, just something that he's
dealing with. And but I overall I agree, I think
that Vderian Low's played better than he has. I think
that they probably feel better about the five. That's the

(06:47):
five that they used for the majority of camp. They
switched a win who out to the outside and lost city.
So but Vederian Lowe in Chukes were among the five,
and then Chukes lost his his job. So I think
this is what you're gonna be left with you.

Speaker 8 (07:03):
Sorry, I just gonna jump in real quick, Matt. You
know Vadarian Low. You talk about guys that don't care
just for being in the locker room this week, Vaderian
Low definitely a guy that cares. I mean, you know,
and and you know, we can get on performance stuff
and that that's fair criticism, but in terms of just
a guy who holds himself to a really high standard,
who's really self critical, you know those things. Uh, he's
all over himself as much as some of the pundits
are all over him. So I just say he's the

(07:25):
kind of guy easy to root for. Hoping here he's
fully healthy. Came off the injury report yesterday with the
oblique injury, so hopefully fully ready to go. Maybe we
see some strides out of Vadarian Low today, because boy
Mafe is coming they're gonna probably target Chus. Sorry, Vaderian Low.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Don't you see that that attitude that Vederian has his
teammates see that the coaching staff sees that it's easy
to see why they want him to succeed because of
these other attributes.

Speaker 8 (07:52):
Sure, and I mean I think it's uh, you know,
with the core far I think it's a little of
the Trent Brown vibes, you know, where you just you
want guys like even if they're not super talented, but
you know that they really care, they're engaged, they're bringing
really good energy in. You know. It might mean more
opportunities for Kayden Wallace today as well. But I would
say the tackle depth is pretty thin, you know, not
really equipped to handle many injuries there. I mean Demontree Jacobs,

(08:15):
you know, was one of the guys they signed there
at the beginning or at the end of cuts. Maybe
he has to get thrust in the mix. So we'll
see how it all plays out.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Paul, you said, we don't want to speculate, and I
couldn't agree with you more. But was there an inkling
of this or is there any hints or is that
the twitters speaking that some of this might have been
going on in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
I hadn't heard anything about, you know, his situation in
Pittsburgh other than he lost his job. I didn't know
if they had anything to do with him leaving the
team or it.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Might not have been happy. But again, maybe I should
be playing. Why am I not playing? And maybe that
was part of the decision.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, I think any of these things. And this is
what happens when you get some like vagaries, you know,
with a situation like this, And Mike is right, like,
we don't have a lot of experience with you know,
you know, exempt left squad, you know, in the situations
in training camp when when you know, and this goes
back twenty years when offensive linemen seemed to retire during camp.

(09:13):
What was the retirement?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Right?

Speaker 5 (09:14):
The guys just decided, you know what, I'm I'm entering
year twelve. I just don't have it in me. I'm
going And I could rattle off some veteran names that
people would have long since forgot, like Joe Panos, you know,
and guys like that. They just you know, they got
to camp, they got ready to report, and they just decided,
I'm not going to do this. This doesn't seem like

(09:35):
that to me, this seems a different situation.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
You're watching and listening to the Patriots pregame show fueled
by Duncan, and we are welcome now by Tamara Brown,
fresh off the playing field at Jillette Stadium with an
update as warm ups are going on as we speak tomorrow.
What did you learn by watching outside?

Speaker 9 (09:51):
So no one is out there warming up with the
athletic training staff right now. I don't know if that's
a good sign or not, or whether they're just a
little bit delayed. But after we do Keys to the Game,
to go back out there and see if anything has changed.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
So, Matt, why don't we fire up the Keys to
the Game?

Speaker 1 (10:07):
You've waited all week for it.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
The whole teams in the locker room right now, just
listening to this, waiting to hear what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Here are the Patriots pregame socials Keys to the Game.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Okay? Does that mean because it's on the list first ball,
that I go first?

Speaker 5 (10:21):
You are you can choose lead off position the head
hunch os.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Okay, so I will lead off. I'm very interested that
both of you said you think that in order for
the Patriots to win today that they need to lean
on the running game. And you're probably right, but my
key to this game was saying, open things up a bit.
I'm not looking for air Coriel and Chuck and Duck
or anything like that. I just don't know how much
you're living you're gonna make by running it as much

(10:46):
as they ran last week when they know that you're
gonna run it. You know, I'm not saying that Cincinnati
didn't know that. Seettle know that, you said, Mike, you
know McDonald's got to sit there too. We got to
take Stevenson out of the game. I see two tight
ends play action screen game stuff that we didn't see
against Cincinnati. I'm not suggesting that it's Tamario Douglas time
and there he's gonna get twelve targets. They've got to

(11:08):
do something to be a little bit more efficient offensively,
a little bit more creative maybe offensive. I'm not saying
they weren't creative, but they've got to keep out guessing
them a little bit on their toes.

Speaker 8 (11:18):
Yeah, I mean, Austin Hooper said this week, you know,
we we basically just ran our vanilla stuff against Cincinnati.
This was just the basic stuff I think your point
about screens is an excellent one. We heard from the
team this summer they want to be a big screen game.
It was not a part really of the game plan
last week. I think that's a good way to try
to offset, you know, at attacking aggressive defense like Seattle is.
And you know, to Paul's point, where you are, you
do have some linebackers banged up. What do you feel

(11:41):
like you need to do to stop the run, because
I mean you might have to dedicate additional resources putting
an extra safety in the box. You've got some backups
in there. So I do think it's something for the
Patriots maybe strategically to try to take.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Advantage of it.

Speaker 9 (11:51):
I do wonder if offensively, if any other guys spoke
up the way ramondre Stevenson spoke up and said, Hey,
I don't want to run outside zone.

Speaker 10 (11:58):
I want to run downhill. So I'm wondering if maybe the.

Speaker 9 (12:00):
Wide receivers will step up this week and give their
opinions on what could help the offense get going with
opening things up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well, I said, let's opening up, open things up a
little bit. Tomara, it looks like you disagree to a
certain extent with your key to the game.

Speaker 10 (12:13):
So yes, I want them to take it to the hill.

Speaker 9 (12:15):
I think that both teams are going to want to
lean on running the football, and which means this could
be a dogfight.

Speaker 10 (12:19):
That's one in the trenches.

Speaker 9 (12:20):
So in the fourth quarter, if this thing is close,
they're going to have to take it to the hill.
They're going to have to remember those treacherous hard days
from summer and training camp and push through and get
this win. Whether it's Remandre putting the team on his back,
he said he wasn't tired at the end of that
game last week in Week one, I'm expecting he'll come
out today and have that same mentality and want to
keep running downhill.

Speaker 10 (12:38):
Whether it's him, whether it's Tasty, whether it's Kevin.

Speaker 9 (12:41):
Harris, whoever it is out there today, I'm hoping that
they can continue to fight through the entire fourth quarter
and come away with a victory.

Speaker 8 (12:48):
Yeah to Gibson too. Gibson's off off the injury report
now and he was I think pretty good this summer.
So maybe I want two punch with those two guys today.
Gibson might be the guy though, that you try to
get going in this sky screen game a little bit.
He's more of a receiver, so maybe he's somebody they
take advantage when.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Men conditioning and going to the hill. This might be
an old saw, but the old West Coast team three
thousand miles one o'clock game. Does that play any into
anything as far as conditioning and who's the better conditioned team.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
I'm a morning person, so to me, I'd be like,
that's great, we get to play the game at a
ten am, Like, let's go.

Speaker 9 (13:25):
I will say one thing from being out on the
field earlier, it is it's warm. There's no breeze out
there on the field. It feels like we're at training camp.
And so I think take it to the hill is
even more you know exactly what I'm talking about, because
it feels just like training camp out there right now.
There's no breeze, the sun is blazing, and the game
hasn't even started yet, so it's probably gonna be even
hotter come one o'clock.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
There's a thing, man, that's like, you know, it's the Seattle.
There's no Seattle clouds. Yeah, you know, the sun is out.
Maybe that's maybe that the weather is the bigger and
you're not familiar. What is this thing in the sky right?

Speaker 9 (13:55):
So I star Yeah, So I think, you know, I
think this is going to be a dogfight. I don't
know if it's going to come down to Joey Sly
having to be perfect again with his field goals. You
you know, I have to work it in there.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
Give him three extra points. I'm pretty I'm pretty convinced
he'll make them.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
All.

Speaker 9 (14:12):
I'm saying everybody has to take it to the hill
and remember those hard days, whether it's the team crawling
around them screaming and yelling and having to kick a
field goal, or whether it's, hey, we need to get
a first down late in this game to keep the
clock running and keep seeing the Seahawks from getting the ball.

Speaker 10 (14:26):
So take it to the hill.

Speaker 9 (14:28):
And I hope Hasty is active today because in case
Rmanre can't go, you know, I'm hoping that Hasty is
available to help him out.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Very good batting third the left fielder do so do
show I'm in.

Speaker 8 (14:40):
The left field. That's the usually way to stick your
crappy players.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Your worst outfielder plays left. That's fact.

Speaker 8 (14:49):
That's my guy. So you know, look, I I went
a little generic. I mean, start fast, finished, finished clutch.
I think that could be the key any week. And
I mean that's but to me, that's what this Patriots
team just needs to do right now until proven otherwise.
I'm not gonna ask them to play a perfect, clean
game like they did last week. I mean, I think
they're gonna have some problems, to say, just turnovers. I
just think it happens. This is a good defense and

(15:11):
it's part of the game. I hope that they can
have some big plays to offset those turnovers. They're gonna
have to. I mean, if you're turning the ball over,
you're gonna you're not gonna be able to get by
on just you know, running the ball and maybe converting
a couple third downs. So if they can get a
star fast, if they can start fast, get a lead,
you know, play from a position of strength. We talked
about it all week. It was such a key to
last week's game, letting them stick within their offense and

(15:32):
kind of dictating the terms and then even doing that,
I think it's gonna come down to the end, finish clutch,
whether that's sly, whether that's again the defense needing to
stop the offense, needing to close it out or even
you know, perhaps having to pick up some points right
at the end. So star fast, finished, clutch. It's always
a good formula for football, but especially for this team today.
I think that's that's got to happen for them to

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be able to play their game and win it their way.

Speaker 9 (15:55):
I like that, Mike, because I think that finishing can
be hard, especially for this team, especially if points are needed.
You've seen this team struggle to put together a drive
and get down the field to put points on the board,
or simply get a drive going to keep the ball
out of Seattle's hands. Like you want them to be
able to keep running the clock out and for Seattle
to take those timeouts.

Speaker 10 (16:12):
So that's good, that's good finishing.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Rod has said this, it'd be interesting to see what
this team does when they face adversity. I don't know
how much adversity they faced in Cincinnati last week. I
think there was a time late second quarter, early third
quarter maybe where it looked like the Bengals were winning
the line of scrimmage, but it wasn't. They didn't really
get punched in the mouth. Now, I think it'll be
interesting to see what happens with this young team when

(16:35):
they do inevitably get punched in the mouth.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
I think that's a good point. They never trailed they
they were always playing the game on their terms.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
So yeah, I mean you're right. No one's good enough
to do that, you know, for seventeen straight games. All right,
mister cleanup, Peter, what do you got to me? We
could talk about the running games, and I think both
teams will want to run the ball. And you know,
I like your wrinkles, Matt, that you put in, you know,
screw game stuff. To me, that's continuing running. That's an
extension of running the ball. And I do think that

(17:05):
would be a wrinkle of maybe how you could disrupt
Seattle's defense if they are stacking the box and doing
all those things. To me, Seattle wants to do the
same thing. I know they don't have Kenneth Walker, but
they'll try to do it with Zach Sharbonney. I don't
think that they'll be good enough. But I think you
just you stop that and make Gino Smith beat you.

(17:25):
And I know they have the good receivers, but I
don't think Gino Smith's good enough to beat you. I
think he'll make mistakes. I think that he'll turn it
over a couple of times. And I think that's what
the Patriots need to do to have success on offense.
They need some short fields, they need some extra possessions.
So I think if you are able to make them
one dimensional and putting Gino Smith's hands, you're able to
get extra possessions.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Does Gino Smith have better people though, to help him out?
Paul Metcalf and lock It specifically.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Yea, Jackson, Smith and Jigbo. Yeah, those are the two
I worry about Locket and Smith and Jigba. But I
just feel like he's not good enough. He's a backup
who's starting now. Much like it's amazing to me the
similarities between the teams.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
The Gino Smith has really had a nice little revival here.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
He had a nice half a season two years ago.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I'm not trying to tell you these Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah, you know, he took the league by storm two
years ago in the first half of the year, and
since then he has gone the way of Gino Smith,
journeyman backup.

Speaker 9 (18:21):
But I will say I like what Paul mentions about
these teams being similar. Their pass protection was bad last week,
and it's because their offensive line is struggling in the
same way that the Patriots are. They don't have a
lot of healthy bodies out there right now. Is it
their right tackle?

Speaker 5 (18:33):
Yeah, down to the third string right tackle. And you
know they straightened it out in the second half, but
that's going to be an issue. I think the Patriots
can get after them, and I think Gino Smith will
make mistakes.

Speaker 8 (18:45):
I want to see the pass rush today. I want
to see the same kind of disruption we saw early
continue through the game. I think that's a big key
to put the game in Gino's hands because those receivers
are good and if they have too much time, those
guys are going to get open eventually. So as much
as I like the Paytriot secondary think that they're you know,
the strength of the defense. You got to see another
disruptive game out of Key on White. You got to

(19:05):
see those guys working together in concert to get after
Geno Smith and you know, finish them off once you
get there.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
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off of your pass protection. Part this from Kyle wanted
to know was last week's game against the Bengals just
an aberration with the offensive line or can they be
actually a solid unit? Pass protection seems shaky, but can
they be above average to very good run blocking offensive line?

(19:34):
Thoughts too soon to tell?

Speaker 8 (19:39):
Yeah, maybe, I mean, I don't know. I still I'm
kind of in that feeling out phase where you overreact
to the first week or you overact what you or
what you haven't seen. And I mean, I think every
time these teams take the field, it's it's like Paul
kind of hinted at, like every team needs to face
some adversity. Every team is going to have to be
able to go out, get into a little bit of
a hole and still be able to ex acute and

(20:00):
you know, get back into how they want to play
the game. And you know, that's that's just something that
I think is a function of the early part of
the season. You haven't you haven't seen it all yet. Now.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
I would also just I think that what the Patriots
did last week on the offensive line is more than
reasonable to expect. I don't think it was anything out
of the ordinary last week. Maybe I'm in the minority
on that. I think they did they were Okay, I
don't and I said this in the pregame show last week.
I never go into a game saying to myself, the

(20:31):
offensive line will be a train wreck today and completely
prevent one team from winning the game. I don't see
that happen a lot. I know people talk about it
a lot like it happens all the time. I don't
really think that that's the biggest reason that things happen.
I'm not telling you what never happens, but I think
that you can reasonably expect the Patriots to do what
they did last week on the offensive line, and that

(20:53):
is open a hole or two in the running game.
Make sure you don't just allow set to have to
deal with, you know, a runaway guy on every pass.
There was a couple of occasions where they missed assignments
last week. It did not happen the whole game. I
think that's more than reasonable to expect.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
So I want to ask you, guys, this one young
team wins their first one on the road home opener,
coming home feeling good about themselves. Historically, it might be
a good spot for a road team to catch somebody on.
How do you think the staff dealt with trying to
keep expectations a little bit in check in knowing that

(21:30):
yet we won, we did what we wanted to do,
but there's so much more we need to do. And
I thought I heard Girod say that during the week.
Do you believe that that message is getting through to
the players, knowing that we're not going to win sixteen
ten games very often?

Speaker 8 (21:43):
Well, I mean what stood out to me was that
he said on Thursday or Friday, they didn't have a
great practice on Wednesday, and just came round out and
said it. I mean, I don't think we ever heard
that from from Bill. Sometimes you would get like the
what there after the game, the pre TV meeting, like
when they told us, you know, in the premianning that
they didn't have sounded like Gira was happy with how
they bounce back on Thursday. But it is interesting. I mean,

(22:03):
there are there are some young pieces on this team.
You got to trust the veteran leadership to, you know,
try to keep them, you know, on the same page.
But I don't know just what this team's been through
the last couple of years. I would hope that they
realize how valuable it is, you know, to get these
games early on and to take advantage. I mean, this is.
I mean, this is kind of a game that's going
to define this Patriots season. I know, Paul you said

(22:24):
before the season, you look this, this one is one
you could maybe throw as a toss up for better
or worse. I mean maybe not exactly, and obviously Kenneth
Walker being out affects that. But if you're you know,
this are the games that define your season right now,
as a team that's trying to get back into the
playoff mix, you're playing a team that's similarly in the
same position. Newke head coach, similar questions we talked to.
I mean, there's similar teams. How do you play in

(22:46):
these games? If these are the games? Like these are
the games last year Patriots always seemed to lose and
that's why they have won four games. They couldn't beat
the middle class of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Well, if Las Vegas is any indicator, and I don't
follow those sorts of things, but they didn't seem very
impressed with it. I think the Seahawks are three point
favorites here road favorites, right.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Yeah, I mean I think Mike is right. I think
this is one of those toss up games that you
go in and I think they look at both of
these teams in a similar fashion. Yeah, prove it to me, right, Yeah,
I think both of the teams are trying to build
something they both had. And Matt, you mentioned this off era,
you know, I know, we'll get to it a little later,
but they're both in similar positions with long time veteran

(23:24):
head coaches that had a lot of success where they were.
They're moving on and starting a new phase. You know.
It's Mike McDonald and Seattle, and you know, I think
they're two of the youngest. Giorde Mayo is the youngest coach, right, No, no,
mcda I mean Donald's the youngest, and then Mayo is
the second behind McVeigh. Right, it's McVeigh and then Mayo. Right,
So two of the three youngest coaches in football going

(23:46):
at it like there's a lot to learn.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I find that a fascinating topic. I believe that this
week is exhibit a of you know, the new era
head football coach young related to the players willing to
do things differently that owners are now seeing, like, you
know what, we're looking for a fresh approach. We need
people who can relate to a twenty five, twenty six
year old kid. The fact that these guys are facing

(24:11):
off in week two, I just find fascinating.

Speaker 8 (24:13):
Yeah, I mean, it sounds it sounds great, you know
on paper. I've said many times there's many different ways
to coach a team successfully, and it's just the bottom
line is, did the guys play hard for them? Did
they play discipline football without you know, having the disciplinarian
type coach. And I hope so, I mean, I was
really encouraging to not see them make those kind of
stupid mistakes in the first weekend. I mean, that's something

(24:34):
that we saw last year in self inflicted wounds. So
I'm hopeful that it works because it certainly seems like
the atmosphere is a little bit looser. But at the
same time, we all know that there's a you know,
a fine line between being too loose and you know,
not quite being ready and having all the details sorted out.
So first week give them an a they took care
of all those details. Now they're at home, they got

(24:57):
to take care of those details again.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Web radio at Patriots dot com. That's from Seattle, writing
in I live in the area and a house full
of Seahawks fans. This is a much win game today.
Might have to book a hotel for the night if
we lose. Gino is very overrated out here. Paul is right.
There you go, I'm gonna repeat that, Paul is right.
Get him off his spot. I don't think he make

(25:19):
mistakes because he will go pats.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
Yeah, I think that's what he is. I don't think
he's overrated. I think he's considered to be a journeyman backup.
That's how I think he's sort of viewed around the league.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Is are his legs?

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Like?

Speaker 11 (25:33):
Do you need to keep?

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Very much like Jacoby Brissett.

Speaker 11 (25:37):
He looked.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
He looked a little bit more athletic on that touchdown
run last he.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Had a long run for a touchdown. I don't think
that's how Gino Smith wants to make his living.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay, Mike, you agree, I do agree.

Speaker 8 (25:48):
But I'd also just like to shout out the Seahawks fans.
I love the Sea how they were my b team
growing up. So I give him a little love. So
this is how long are we gonna drill down into
that a little bit?

Speaker 5 (25:57):
How long we've been holding this out?

Speaker 8 (25:59):
No kidding, I'm I'm not sure why I love it.
I love Steve Largent like somehow randomly mixed emotions too,
you know at that time with Dave Craig, I.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Like jim Z lefty quarterback.

Speaker 8 (26:08):
Yeah, there you go. But I went to I went
to a couple of games out there. You guys have
been to games out there right? Oh wait, I'm want
to eight and twelve. Awesome atmosphere, I mean, just great
fan base out there, really good organization, the way they
run games and stuff. And you know, you gotta have
a lot of respect for you know, Pete Carroll in
the run that he had, and obviously, you know, great
super Bowl game against US and a great Super Bowl

(26:31):
for them, probably the one they prefer to remember the
year before against Denver. But uh, you know, overall, it's
a it's it's one of the coolest places to play.
And I wish I just wish they would stick with
those throwback uniforms from last week the whole time, Like,
let's go get back to that stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I love those things. In the walk to the stadium,
which is a nice little area, love it out there,
love it. I was behind a guy wearing a USC
football jersey number thirty two, and the name said I
did it, which I thought that was a nice touch, Yeah,
a nice touch.

Speaker 8 (27:00):
Was he supporting Pete there? I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (27:02):
One quick note from the warm ups, no one is
working out with the athletic trainers, so it's looking good
for the questionable people.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I wonder if that is more a nod Tamara to
your earlier weather report and saying, if we're going to
go out there and really work up a sweat and
everything like that, what's the fatigue factor? Do I need
to reserve what I've got, stay in here, hydrate and
whatever the time is that, you know, is the minimum
that I need to go out there to do?

Speaker 9 (27:31):
What?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
I wonder if they're trying to save a little energy
by that, if it's as wet as your clan, you know.

Speaker 10 (27:35):
Or just keep it close to the vest.

Speaker 8 (27:37):
Actually not a spoiler. I think camera ta Tamara, But
that looks like Kyle dugger is out. Just took the
field to warm up earlier, so as soon as you
walk by. Mike Reese clicked a pick of Kyle Duggar,
who popped up on the injury report with an acle
this week.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Web radio at patrons dot com. Another email, this one
from Todd who wants to know good morning pregame crew,
and I remember that Evan had a best case scenario
for the old line was with every everyone playing in
the best position for them. What exactly do you feel
is the best lineup for the offensive line? Or went
it with guard? Who plays right tackle? Then if he's
at guard? Thanks guys and Gal Todd and Gardner Wallace.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
I mean, I think in a perfect world, I mean,
I'm not sure exactly how to suss it out, but
I think at left guard, between City who's been hurt
and Leyden Robinson, if you could maybe pop him back
over there, you know, And then I think on when
you to me, still is at his best at a
guard position. So if you were able to get Wallace
at right tackle and Robinson at left guard, and you

(28:32):
feel good about a one you at right guard, and
we know David Andres is there, then it's really just
can we get by with Vederian low? Can he make strides?

Speaker 5 (28:38):
I would be that I would agree that that's the
best case scenario. I don't know that that would make
them best. Now this is where like the ACORPA four
thing does come into play.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
No question of options.

Speaker 9 (28:48):
Do you like Jordan behind Robinson there in terms of
like the left guard position.

Speaker 8 (28:54):
I mean long term. Yeah, it's just simply because Leydon
Robinson seems like, you know, a young rookie, ascending player.
You know, he's gotten some some love from ol Twitter
if that's the thing online the offensive line. Twitter seems
to really like Leyden Robinson. But you know, getting Wallace
in experienced last week, I mean, we'll just we'll see.
I mean, I assume they're going to approach it like
they ended the game last week with Wallace being that

(29:16):
third tackle piece, and that'll come in again. But I
like getting him experience, and I think you know, at
some point, if he's able to show some stuff and
get in it right tackle, you know, you might have
some pieces for the future. And it's not like we're
looking at a we have to rebuild the whole offensive
line next year. We might have one big spot that
we really need.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Let's go a little bit deeper on Robinson if you
don't mind, because this week on Patriots All Access, Scott
Peters was the coach who was doing a player spotlight,
and I don't think it was a coincidence that I
was just looking at two running plays and three pass
protection plays. Robinson was involved in every single one of
the plays and it wasn't specific to Robinson, but he
made it a point to say, here's Robinson in here.

(29:53):
I think they've got high hopes for this kid, and
I think they're banking on him. You called him as
sending and an ascending player. I think they like what
they've seen so far of him.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
Yeah, it would be great, you know, that's just that's
what they need right now. And even with you know,
I just I don't know what to expect from City. So,
I mean, he was there at left guard for most
of the summer when some of the struggles were happening,
and now we haven't really seen him for a bit,
so you know, that's kind of the hope of like, well,
you could always put Robinson back on the left side
and then you've got Robinson and maybe on one you
but maybe that depends on so and how well he

(30:25):
recovers and if he's able to, you know, reassume that
job once he gets back.

Speaker 9 (30:28):
So one quick note that I was thinking about, do
you think that Kiten Wallace, he played eighteen snaps, is
an eligible tight end last week to help the offensive
line have an extra blocker, do you think he's going
to play as many snaps today as that eligible tight end.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I think that's the goal going in now. I think
the game will dictate whether or not that they can
be in a position to do that. But I think
they really like that, and I think they were pretty
productive in that.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
I think you got to get away from that though,
because then you're just so one dimensional, like you can't
throw out of that. You have to run otherwise you're
losing a receiver. So I think that in a perfect
world they'd be able to pick and choose when they
did that instead of having to rely on it as
much as they did. It was productive, Matt. To you
a point, they ran the ball well when he was

(31:11):
As a matter of fact, I believe that they averaged more
yards per play on the sixteen plays that he played,
because the last two were Niel downs. The sixteen plays
that he was out there, they averaged more yards than
they did passing.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
So you can't make a living off of that formation.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
No, you in spots, Yeah, you can't make a living
getting two hundred ninety yards and sixteen points. Yeah, Like
so you can we can talk about all of the
you know, the wonderful things they did offensively last year
last week. You can't win doing that consistently. I know
that I've gotten a lot of blowback from that this
week on Patriots Unfiltered, and I'm probably wrong, but I
don't think you can win that way on a consistent basis.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Calling from Seattle on the electronic mail rights in I'm
also from the Seattle area and was curious if you
guys think that there's any significance to Poke's college offensive
coordinator Ryan Grubb now calling plays for the Seahawks. I
don't know. If Polk had any production to look like
a real piece of the offense in Week one, I
think it would be a bigger story, but I'm not
sure it means much in today's game. I don't really

(32:11):
get the question.

Speaker 8 (32:12):
I don't really get the question either. I mean it's
I think that there were some encouraging things though that
Jalen Polk did last week that, you know, make people
wonder if they're going to try to get them the
ball a little bit more. And I think that really
has got to be part of the game plan. I mean,
to your guys point, you're gonna have to throw the
ball at some point. I think you're gonna have to throw.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
And it's one thing for you know, the the all
twenty two Cowboys to tell me how many times that
these guys were open. The coaches talked about it. The
coaches talked about missing some opportunities to make some plays
in the passing game. So to Matt's key, back to
Matt's key about opening up a little, I think you
might have some opportunities to do that because I think
they missed some last week, and I think Polk was

(32:50):
one of those guys.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yes, And in all honesty, how can you make any
kind of evaluation about the wide receiver group or anything
like that based off of last week? It was not existent.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
No, no, no, But I mean, I just just the
fact that they're telling us guys, we're open, whether or
not you know you you saw it yourself or you're
just listening to people. It's showing that the offenses work
and getting guys open, and that's, you know, what has
to happen. It can't be that, oh, we need to
rely on guys, you know, making catches with someone right
on their hip. You've got to have enough of an
offensive structure that you're able to get get some guys

(33:19):
some easy catches, and I think that's something with a
guy like Pop Douglas, who is an explosive player. Let's
get the ball in his chances a little bit too, Tardles, Yeah,
so get the ball in his hands a little bit more.
There's some creative ways. I mean, we've talked about some
of the screen game that kind of stuff. Try to
take Seattle's aggressiveness, take advantage of their agree.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
Well, getting him involved in the running game.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
Sure, sure, yeah, okay, we'll end around something like that.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I'd be up for that, Paula, we allowed to take calls. Yes, yes,
we've reached that. Okay, Pat and Agawam has patiently been
on Old and Good Morning Pat, your first update with
us on the Patriots pregame show fueled by Duncan.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
More than everyone, Good morning, Good Dawn.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
Just had a couple of quick questions. I'll make them
quick so you can get other callers on the line.
The first thing, you know, Girod already said they want
to run. I don't think Seattle's going to stop the run.
But if they do, do you guys have enough trust
in Ja Kobe Pursett to make plays to win the game.
With his arm. And second question is there's this pole
I heard this poll going around X or Twitter or

(34:17):
whatever that if the Pats start out to and oh, well,
your expectations then change going forward for the season. And
that's all I got. I'll take it off the air,
and Matt, you're doing a great job so far, buddy.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
You're kind pat Thanks for the call.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
I need to see it.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Let's go with his second point first, if we don't mind,
and that's the expectations game like.

Speaker 8 (34:36):
It's it's I mean, it's Paul's thing. It's I mean,
what if they win like next week and Seattle turns
the ball over four times and the Patriots don't make
a single mistake, and I mean, my expectations aren't going
to really change. It's just that, I mean, I would
say I would give them credit for being able to
play two games in a row that were really clean
and to you know, take advantage of an appoints mistakes.
But unless they go out there and light it up
and throw for like four hundred yards, I mean, I
had that my expectations might be like, well, all right,

(34:58):
we're gonna.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
Pass my expectations will want one. So if it's two
or oh, I'm not going to sit there and you.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Know, poo poo.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
Playoffs question my every football thought. But to Mike's point,
if it's one, if it goes to two and oh
and the second win looks entirely different than.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
The first, Now it might be onto something that.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Might be whoa. Now, maybe they have the ability to
do a couple of different things. Some of these young
guys are you know, we talked about Polk a second ago.
Some of these young guys really look like they they
fit the part. Yeah, I mean I could change based
on how good they look today.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
To his first question, can they put the ball in
Jacobe's hands and let him win the game for you,
I don't think we've got enough information to see if
that's possible.

Speaker 8 (35:37):
I think, you know, my thing with jakrb that was
I was a little surprised about this summer was just
that he has a pension to have some wild ones
like some you know, we saw it even in the
game last week, where you know, it'll hit some throws,
but then there's always going to be one or two
that are coming in hot, coming into high you know,
just a little off and you know, for me to
truly trust him. You got to feel that confidence that

(35:57):
he can walk down the field and you know, complete
eight nine passes on a drive and not have that
one big mess on a third down that's gonna result in.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
A punt for me.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
I mean, anything can happen in a one off. I
don't think you're gonna make a living doing that.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
No classic question here web radio patrins dot Com from
Dan in v A in m I So first, is
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Speaker 5 (36:18):
He's in Virginia by way of Michigan? Okay, figured out
the other way around.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Starts off with good a social socialators. Paul just noted
his affection for Jim Zorn. Does Paul remember there's no
chance of this? Does Paul remember the words to the
drink Milk song from the commercial featuring Jim Zorn and
Steve Largent or does his rainman esque memory for football
history only apply to the actual game outstanding.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
Milk commercial. No, I'm kind of upset. I don't though,
I don't. That's that's not Dan knows me. Well, So
that's it. That is something that would be in my
on my radar. I just don't remember it.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Are there any good life quarterbacks?

Speaker 5 (37:01):
No?

Speaker 8 (37:01):
No, never, have been Boomer never, not once.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
I mean there were a few that had success Boomer,
Steve Young, Kenny Stabler, but Steve Young Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
We should because that should That's definitely there.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
But that's a different show.

Speaker 8 (37:11):
And tell a quick little nonsense story. Now it's it's it's.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
There's nothing, there's nothing, there's no other kind.

Speaker 8 (37:16):
It's related to uh it's related to Steve Largent. But
I collected football cards and Steve Largent was like the
really one I wanted bad like I didn't have it yet.
And you know how you go to in the back
in the old days. It wasn't like I'd buy a
whole box. You know, you get a couple of packs
and you know, one day helping. Uh. So in middle
school I was I was in CCD, thank you very much,
you know, good Catholic boy. Uh And I was allowed
to walk to CCD after school. And and so there's

(37:38):
a place in Holliston Fisks love it old school where
I got bought all my football cards and I so
I made a deal with God. I was like, look, God,
I could go to FISTS first and get my football
cards or I could go to CCD first. And you know,
do that first and then I'll go. So if I
go to CCD first, God, you got to give me
the Steve Largin. That's exactly what happened. I never I
never forgot it. So God, you know, thanks for that, Steve.

(38:00):
I'm not sure were it is now, but uh, strategy
to stick with you.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
We were talking earlier.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
I just meant admitting that you were Catholic bold strategy
in this day and age lapsed.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
We were talking earlier about wide receiver involvement and how
can they will they.

Speaker 8 (38:15):
Et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I'd like to just look at it a little bit
more and look at the tight end involvement. Okay, is
that a little better area where they can maybe nike
some hay, a little safer throw, whether that's checking down
into the flat, whether it's a little dump off into
the middle of things like that, that Hooper and Henry
can get things going to help move the sticks and
maybe that helps open up the running game.

Speaker 8 (38:35):
You think Hooper can drive the boat today.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Hooper can drive the boat. To Matt's point though, about
opening things up a little bit, I think you might
hit some I think you can use those guys to
get down the field a little bit more so, I
feel more comfortable with getting one of those guys down
the seam or on the scene or like maybe an
over you know, maybe a dagger concept, MC, but you

(38:59):
know we can run late.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
What do you think I mean anything, Well, it's a
great question, Matt. I mean, I think that was part
of the most effective part of their offense consistently this summer.
You know where the tight Ends specifically wrote about those
guys this week. Went and talked to Bob mc noll,
the tight Ends coach, also a Holliston native by the way,
but he said, you know, it was interesting because he said,
when when we first signed Hooper, I went and looked

(39:23):
at his stats, and he said, the two guys are
almost identical in terms of their catches. Like it's kind
of weird, he would, He said, they aren't exactly the
same player. They kind of get about things a different way,
but they have similar skill sets. I think it's a
great way. I talked a little bit about I'm not
entirely confident Jacoby Brissett to string a lot of big
passing plays together, but I think those tight Ends he's

(39:44):
comfortable with those guys. He knew, you know, knows Hooper
a little bit. Hooper knows the system. Henry is right
there with him. So I just think those guys are
really consistent, especially in the red zone for a team
that went one for four in the red zone last week.
Those are guys I think you need to get involved
today and make them part of this this attack.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
No, THATD zone is a good point too, and you know,
and Girod did bring that up again before. You can't
you can't consistently pass up those opportunities. And I think
they need to be a little bit more aggressive. I
think if they if they get in there again, you
get in there four times, that's obviously a good sign.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
We're talking tight ends here a little bit. Joe from
Weymouth wants to know where is Taekwon Thornton and when
will he record a touchdown? Sort of a forgotten another
one of the wide receiver forgotten names. Thought he was
their best wide receiver last week.

Speaker 8 (40:26):
He went on nice catches. Yeah, I mean it's I mean, overall,
just not a lot of production from the wide receivers.
But he's going to continue to get his chances today.
He'll be out there for sure. I would bet he'll
play in one.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Well, that's right. Like, you know, we say that he
was the best wide receiver last week. There was nothing
really to judge the wide receivers on. They weren't a
part of the offense last week. But I thought Thornton
did a good job with uh, you know, his two opportunities.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
And they weren't just nine routes. You know, he did
a couple of them different things.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
Yeah, he ran, Yeah, he ran one deep route and
didn't get open. But I like the other two plays
a lot, you know, a lot more than you know
two for twenty seven. I think it was yeah, covering
out some space on a sort of sort of a
deep slant. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
I mean, just the fact that he's still out there
and you know, has had a had a good summer,
had a like a brief little injury thing where he
was missed the practice or two, but was back out there,
and that's you know, that's that's what you like about
Polk as much as you know, Polk just was out
there every day consistent. Even Javon Baker, like that's the
only way for these rookies not to get behind the
eight ball. We've seen it too many times like even

(41:25):
talented kids who just fall behind and then they never
can quite catch up. Polk's been there every single day.
Thornton's been there pretty much every single day, and you
know it's you feel like this early part of the season,
it's now or never, but this is this is it?

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Like?

Speaker 8 (41:36):
Now is your chance, Taekwon. You need to make some
plays and really prove that you, you know, deserve this
spot on the offense where you know they need him,
they need him to do a number of things.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Before we say goodbye to Paul for a couple of minutes,
let's go back to the phones eight five five Pats
five hundred and check in with Floyd from Michigan. Good morning, Floyd.
You join us now on Richard's pregame show fueled by Duncan.

Speaker 13 (41:57):
Good morning everybody, Good morning. My question is should Drake
May should he have to earn the right to be
the starting quarterback or should the opportunity to be given
to him? And before you answer, I would like to
bring up a couple quarterbacks, Chamber Williams and the Chicago Bears,

(42:18):
Jayden Daniels and the Commanders. Did they have to earn
that or was it given to him? So again the
question is, does Drake may have to earn the right
to start, or do you give him the opportunity?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Thank you, thank you, Mike.

Speaker 8 (42:32):
Yeah, for my purposes, he has to earn it. I mean,
I think that's you know, if I was a coach,
that would be my philosophy of you know, I think
when you go and name a guy a starter, a
sight unseen hasn't even ran a play yet. It's just
I don't love the message it sends to us. Now,
maybe that's a little bit of a charade, and everybody
knows it. These guys were drafted first and second overall,
and the Patriots clearly had a plan to put Jacoby

(42:55):
Brissette in place, and I think we saw last week
why they did that. But I need to see Drake
earn and he needs to and we saw plenty of
articles this week. Check out Evan Lazarre wrote, you know,
a great piece about Drake what his first week was like,
a lot of virtual work. Even Gerard confirmed he's getting
an increase in reps. Thirty percent was the number. So
they're still keeping an eye on Drake. It's not like
he's the backup now and he's in the background, So

(43:16):
I think they're giving him all the opportunities to continue
to develop, but he has to earn it in some
sort of way. You know, hey, he had a great practice.
He seems to know what's going on, and I mean
you can't say that without connecting it to how's the
team doing. I mean, if the team is, you know,
not losing, then you know it's hard to say the
opportunities there.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
So one week down, Mike and I think everything's to form.
The plan remains the same. Really interesting that Gerard came
out and talked about the thirty percent reps. I did
think Evan's article was very good. He must earn the spot.
He's not going to be given anything. So after last week,
the way Brissette sort of managed the game did exactly

(43:56):
what they hoped. After week one, everything looks good. What
happens when it doesn't look good? And then there's more
heat too? Is he ready yet? Does those thirty percent
jump to forty percent?

Speaker 8 (44:07):
You know?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
How long can they stay with the plan until they
need to enact the plan?

Speaker 8 (44:14):
I think the big piece of this, this whole puzzle,
and it totally connects back to last summer, and it
connects to what I said earlier with Jacoby Brissette was
there's just a certain lack of explosiveness in their passing game.
And whether it's Jacoby Brissett being smart and you know,
not wanting to take a chance. We saw plenty of
times this year that Drake May is willing to put
the ball up down the field and he's got good

(44:34):
accuracy and he can get it there in a hurry.
So I think that might be the sticking point Matt,
that that's where look the offense to they're doing okay,
they're okay, but guys are open downfield, and we are
not explosive enough to get the ball down to them
to compete in these games. So maybe you have a
couple results where there were plays to be made. We
lost the game, but have we made those plays down

(44:56):
the field? We think we're going to be right there
with people and then and then that's the feeling of
we got the kid with the arm who can get
it down there and make those big plays.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Okay, we're closing in on eleven thirty on the East
coast here, and that's the ninety minute mark before the
one o'clock games, Mike, are we a little too early
yet and the inactive. Do we have anything that has
breaking yet? Do any breaking sound effects matter or anything
like that for breaking news or no or no. Let's
see has there anything hit on the Twitter?

Speaker 8 (45:23):
Nothing is hit the Twitter verse as of yet. But
we're seeing here. Doug Kai just out a tweet those
saying expect to see Patriots Wookie Rride receiver Yavon Baker
active today. So I'm not sure what Doug knows. It
just looks like Javon's out there working with the receivers. No,
it's no sign of Kashawan Booty, so yeah, we should
be in actives here any minute. I'm sure Tamara is

(45:45):
monitoring those.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
So let's go to Tamara, who joins us now out
in the field with maybe what the activity level has
increased as we're getting to the ninety minute mark, Tamara.

Speaker 9 (45:57):
Thank you, Matt Smith, we do actually have the inactive.
It's Kashawn Boody, it's Curtis, it's demontri So and of
course Joe Milton. They will not be playing today, but
it's good news because that means Dietrich wise to Michael Hasey,
Kyle Dugger as well as Leyden Robinson will be active
and playing today. I talked to Laydon Robinson in the
locker room ahead of this matchup, and he said, I
love that we were playing throwback football.

Speaker 5 (46:19):
I like that.

Speaker 9 (46:20):
I like that Gerard Mayo wants to run the ball
a lot because that's what I did a lot at
Texas A and M So he's happy to be out
here active today and helping the Patriots run the football,
which is what they want to lean on today.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
So Tamara the one that strikes me, and Mike you
can join in here as well. Booty out Baker in
That seems like an even swap to me.

Speaker 9 (46:37):
Why, I think it's a great swap, especially what we
saw out of Jalen Riger throughout camp. He was one
of the guys that was really productive, especially on special teams.

Speaker 10 (46:47):
So I don't know if we'll.

Speaker 9 (46:47):
See him a lot there, but I thought he was
extremely dynamic when we were able to see them in
special teams throughout training camp.

Speaker 10 (46:52):
And also he's a veteran guy.

Speaker 9 (46:53):
He's got experience, and like you mentioned in your Key
to the Game, if they want to open things up,
he's a guy you want to.

Speaker 10 (46:58):
Have out there.

Speaker 8 (47:00):
It's great tomorrow you look awesome out there. I love
this new addition to the pregame show. Here we got
our live sideline reporter, just Tomriw. Real quick, you know
what do you see from the guys out there right
now who are getting some early warm ups in?

Speaker 9 (47:12):
Yeah, right now, they're just getting loose, nothing too crazy.
But I think we'll see more of the actual lineup,
especially for the offensive line, once they get out here
in Jerseys, probably in about I think thirty to forty
minutes or so. But right now, it's just guys getting loose, honestly,
talking to each other. They're seeing familiar faces on both teams.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Tamara one war for me, it's been an hour maybe
or so since you were outside. Is the sun a
little stronger? Has your thoughts from a conditioning standpoint in
the weather, how much of a factor do you think
that's going to play today?

Speaker 9 (47:41):
I think they're definitely going to have to remember those
hot days on the hill. I don't know if you
can see it on my face right now, but I
feel like sweat is pouring down my face, which is
not a good sign for me in my makeup. But
these guys they're used to it. They've been conditioning all summer.
They had those long practices throughout the end of training camp,
which Derod Mayo has been prepared for days like this.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
I don't see it. You're looking great, so in a
great report. So I think it's good news Mike that
Kyle Duggar is in the lineup today. I know that
was a little bit of a late week scare, right, Tamara.
Wouldn't you agree that it's important reason today?

Speaker 9 (48:13):
Yeah, I am really happy that Kyle Duggar is out
here today. To me, it's like a sigh. It's like
a sigh of relief because you don't have to rely
on those young guys having to go out there and
face the three headed monster of Lockett, Metcalf and JSN.

Speaker 10 (48:25):
So this is gonna be a tough test for them.

Speaker 9 (48:27):
Obviously, they caught a break last week when you only
had Jamar Chase who was limited and didn't have t Higgins.
This week they have a true test with three healthy
wide receivers out there.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Great good stuff, Tamara Brown, thank you very much from
the field here at Jellette Stadium as the Patriots are
getting ready to take on the Seattle Seahawks. Kickoff in
maybe a little bit more than ninety minutes, Mike, any
takeaways from the inactive list that you saw.

Speaker 8 (48:49):
Just you know, one little interesting p Zachary Thomas being
one of the offensive linemen that they brought in late.
He will be active, so I think with a Quorra
four out, he's the next man up in terms of
just you know, rotational Depthlet these things hopefully you're not
gonna need to worry about until you know if they're
unless there was possibly an injury. So good news though
on you know, Jamichael Hasty priding a little depth. I
don't even think he got in there on offense last week.

(49:12):
But Douger huge piece of what they do. I mean,
last week they dodged a bullet with Jabil Peppers who
had a sudden hip injury, and now this week Dougger
pops up with an ankle injury. So those two guys
a little bit banged up. But Peppers came off the
report yesterday. Seems like both of them will be will
be okay. Along with that Jalen Hawkins too. You know,
three good safeties that I think played really well together
last week.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Let's let me ask you to go back to the
Twitter world, Mike, and I know there's a lot of
interest from maybe some of the fantasy participants and things
like that. Plus from a competitive standpoint, I don't think
many Patriots fans are expecting Kenneth Walker to play. Have
the Seahawks released are in actives yet, Yeah, he's officially
out along with gotta be good news for the Patriot Yeah.

Speaker 8 (49:49):
Starting right tackle George Fan as well, so two big
pieces for them. Nuos who outside linebacker starter is out
as well. So yeah, a few of those guys, I mean,
I know Jerome Baker, Paul Ma, Terrell Dots and the
other linebackers. Those guys are active, but they are a
little bit banged up, battling injuries. And that old friend
Farrell Brown inactive unfortunately, remember him last year matter a
big touchdown against the Jets there, So you know, it's

(50:12):
a look, it's a break for the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
It is a break for the pa FA.

Speaker 8 (50:15):
Kenneth Walker, he's outstanding, but yeah, so they'll go to Zach.
I'm not going to UCLA. And also, Kenny Macintosh was
a guy that I like coming out of Georgia. A
little bit of receiving back, third down kind of guy.
So I think those two guys will probably it's.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
A committee approach that Seattle's gonna have to take because
I don't think either of those guys were in the
walker category as far as you know, being a.

Speaker 8 (50:36):
Belt and walker. I mean just outstanding. I mean, you
saw last week what he was able to do once
he got going. So look, no question, I mean that's
a that's a part of the Patriots defense. They want
to take away the run and not having to deal
with their best back is a nice boost. But again,
I really can they take advantage of the right tackle situation?

Speaker 5 (50:54):
You know?

Speaker 8 (50:54):
Is that something they can target?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (50:55):
Do they use? You know, josh Ucha, who also just
came off the practice, came out the injury with an
ankle injury. So he's healthy. You know, It's he's not
gonna be in every down kind of guy, but he has.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
A specific set of skills.

Speaker 8 (51:06):
That can be very valuable, especially against a big you know,
big tackles, bigger tackles. He's able to get under him.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
He's got that quickness, which I think we saw a
little of that down the stretch in the fourth quarter
when they were trying to put some extra ken burrow,
you know, and I thought us did a nice job
in that spot web radio at Patriots dot com. This
is Dougie from Scotland across upon wanting to say, I
don't know why I'm feeling optimistic about the offense today.
I think they will move the ball well and actually
put some points on the board. Which group do you

(51:32):
think we'll score the most points? Tight ends, wide receivers
or running backs? Love the show, Matt. You're doing a
great job. Thank you very much, Dougie. I think we're related,
by the way, but I'm not sure any event.

Speaker 8 (51:42):
Is he a Smith, No, there's a lot of Smiths.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Offense opening up optimistic. Is there a group that you
see there or an individual that you're going to say, hey,
highlight this person or highlight this group, because I think
you might there's an expectation that there be more involved.

Speaker 8 (51:59):
I think let it led us to it.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Matt.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
I think it's a tight end. So I think that's
you know, it's it's like again, I think Seattle's gonna
make a focus try to not let them run. I
think the Patriots are still gonna try to run, and
they'll attempt plenty. It's hard though, to put a lot
of you know, faith and all of a sudden, Taekwon Thornton, Uh,
Jaymon Baker, you know, Jalen Polk. Those guys getting downfield
making big plays. So I think that the tight ends

(52:22):
they're established, they've been in the offense. They were kind
of banged up at the end of camp. They're now
both seeming to be fully healthy. Uh, they're kind of interchangeable,
and I think that they'll be deployed in a creative
way today to get them involved in and you know,
just those quick passes, especially where they're tied to the
formation and you've got you know team in Seattle that
they like to have a lot of window dress and
a lot of guys walking around, who's coming, who's going,

(52:42):
You don't know too smart tight ends on either side,
knowing where the holes in the zones are. If they
do blitz, I think that's gonna be really valuable and
something that Jacobe Brissette can lean on if they get
too aggressive.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I'd hesitate to call this person my binkie. But I'm
intrigued by jaquiem Bell. Okay, so we're week two inactive.
When does when is it time fav for maybe him
to get a chance or do something like that. Am
I putting too much stock in a six sixth round pick?

Speaker 8 (53:07):
Yes, seventh, I think you the very last.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Like the Swiss army knife nature of his game on
a team that's lacking a lot of offensive firepower, I'm
wondering if he can plug in and do some different things.
Clearly the coaching staff doesn't see that yet. That's the
only one opinion who counts. But I'm wondering where you
think that there might be an opportunity for him.

Speaker 8 (53:28):
I mean, honestly, even as a rookie, I feel like
he might be the most explosive athlete of that group.
He's a very very surprising guy for his size, how
weally moves and how quick he was. That was what
stood out to me. I don't I don't really have
a lot of expectations just because you've got two really
good veteran guys. Is it that much of a difference
at this point to take one of those guys out

(53:48):
of the mix. I don't think so yet, But I'm
I'm I'm with you, Matt. I'm intrigued by his you know, versatility.
You wonder kind of maybe next year soon Austin Hooper
on a one year deal. I think maybe in a
perfect world, Bell rises into this T two world. But
just like I'd say with Wallace, anytime, they have a
way to get some rookies out there and get some
NFL experience, even if it's just special teams. What I mean,

(54:09):
love seeing Baker out there today, maybe to get some opportunities.
I mean, honestly, I'm gonna be honest, I would be
surprised if he doesn't actually play, like he doesn't get in.
I mean, Booty didn't even play last week, so maybe
it's more of a running thing and that was how
it was last week. But I don't know. I mean.
The thing with Baker too, is that I mean I
mentioned earlier he gets downfield and May was willing to
take the shots to him, and he dropped a lot

(54:29):
of those passes, Like is he gonna be able to
do that in a game? And you know, would Brisett
be be willing to put it up to him.

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Speaker 14 (54:46):
What's that really excited for the game today. Got a
couple of Seahawks fans coming over to watch with so
it adds intension. I'm hoping Patriots can get that play
action pass going, but kind of doubtful they will. But
I wanted to ask you guys about Gonzales versus Metcalf,
just thinking this has the potential to be a little

(55:08):
telling for for Gonzo because he's not necessarily that physically
aggressive style corner that like maybe Witherspoon is, and I
wonder if it's an if that's an issue for Gonzalez
going up a beast like Metcalf, and just wanted to
see what you guys thought about that that matchup, how
a m I don't pull to that.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Thanks for your call, And that's a good question speak
because I think a lot of people are going to
be looking at that. We spent a lot of time
in the postgame show last week talking about Gonzalez. Did
he shut him down?

Speaker 6 (55:32):
Did he not?

Speaker 2 (55:33):
I think the media kind of looked at what he did,
and as Paul mentioned the All twenty two Cowboys, I
thought Gonzalez got a little bit more credit, maybe than
he deserved. It'll be interesting to see if they target
him with Metcalf this.

Speaker 8 (55:42):
Week, Like, I'm a little torn on this and Paul
was put him on Metcalf and and my you know
kind of feeling on it is I feel like Tyler
Lockett is still the engine of this offense, and I
think that Christian Gonzalez is a good matchup with him,
you know, I think he has the athleticism to really
dominate that matchup, whereas DK's the big play guy, and

(56:04):
you probably want to keep a safety aware of DK
Metcalf at all times as well. So I don't know,
I'm a little bit torn. I'm a little bit torn.
I honestly, I wonder if if there's a world to
put Gonzales instead on lock It and really try to
take away the clutch third down kind of stuff and
take your chances with a safety deep over Metcalf and
you know, hope he doesn't make those big plays. But

(56:27):
you still got JSN on the other side, who was,
again an emerging player I think was good explosiveness. He's
an underrated player still.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
And welcome back to July Stadium here where we are
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John Boyle from Seahawks dot Com. Thanks for coming in studio, John,
really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Hey, thanks thanks for having me. I think it's been
eight years since I've been down here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Was that the goal line and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Gronk and camp Town? Yeah, yeah, Earl Thomas that big
hit on Gronk in that game, and.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
Also the game that Pete Carroll inexplicably went for two
to try to make it a nine point games instead
of kicking the extra point and making an eight, and
Belichick had that, look do I have to score it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
So, Paul, you mentioned Belichick, you mentioned Carol, and we're
obviously based and biased here in the East Coast, John,
but it just seems very strange to look at the
Seattle Seahawks team and I'm wondering, why is Pete Carroll
not there and instead of the two oldest coaches going
up against each other in the National Football League today
this afternoon, we've got the two youngest coaches get each other.

(01:01:46):
Fascinating turn of.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Events, it is, Yeah, and you know, look, I would
say that was a little surprised, like a lot of people,
when that came down after the season ended. You know,
those decisions a obviously made way above my pay grade.
I don't know everything that went into it, but I
think it was ultimately just you know, they they'd been
doing obviously, I mean, Pete Carroll had done amazing things,
their best coaching franchise history, all that, but I think
it just felt like they weren't really progressing the last

(01:02:09):
couple of years. You know, they they won nine games
each in the last two years and missed just missed
the playoffs, and it was you know, I think a
lot of it was they struggled on defense last year,
especially down the stretch, and you know, they go out
and get the best defensive guy who was out there,
So I think that was a big part of it.
Just wanted to get that defense going.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
How do you think that turn to a new leadership
and a new way of doing things? How's it going
so far?

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
I think really well. Players seem to really embracing it.
They really like what Mike McDonald's bringing there. And it
was interesting because it didn't feel quite as big of
a change, maybe because you kept the same GM. It's
the same front office, a lot of the cultures there.
When Mike McDonald came in, he you know, he and
John tire Boll said like, this is already a great place.
What Pete Carroll and John tire built is you know,
great culture all that. So he hasn't tried to just

(01:02:50):
like drastically tear it down and rebuild. He's doing his
own thing. He's his own coach. But it's been pretty
smooth and I think football wise, everyone's really excited about
what he's bringing to the team.

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
Johnny just saw the actives come out, number of starters
out for you guys, Kenneth Walker, the headliners. Just what
do you see with those guys that are gonna be
playing today?

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Yeah, I mean, Kennth Walker's coming off a great game
and he had eighty four yards in the second half
of that game. So it's a big blow for them.
They they do really like. Sorry, Zach Charbonnay their their
second round pick that you know, he's played well, and
when he's played he hasn't play as much ken Walker,
but he's gonna be the guy carrying the load. So
it's south. Thorrell banged up on the line as well.
George Fan started last week at right tackle because their

(01:03:27):
usual starting right tackle A Blucas is injured as well,
so they're getting their testing their depth there.

Speaker 9 (01:03:32):
Do you think that they're going to have to lean
on the running game today just like the Patriots, their
offensive line is really thin. Do you think that pass projection.

Speaker 10 (01:03:40):
Is going to be an issue?

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
You know, we saw it was an issue in the
first half last week until they got the wrong game going,
So I'm sure they want to lean on that for sure,
But I think most coach will tell you can't be
too stubborn either with it if if you're running it
over and over it's not working. You know, they love
the weapons have in the passing game and what Gino
Smith brings, so I don't think you just don't necessarily
just have to pound it for the sake of pounding it.
But if they get that going, that'd be big help.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
So I know that Seattle with Kenneth Walker ran the
ball really effectively, just like you said, if they are
not able to do it as well with the banged
up line and obviously the backup in Charbonnay, can Gino
Smith get the ball to these three guys, because obviously
you have the weapons at white Out. Can he effectively
if the game's put on his shoulders, can you win it?

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
I mean, I think he's more incapable of doing that.
We've seen him do over the last couple of years. It's,
you know, going back to her questions the pass protection,
if they can hold up. You know, that was the
issue the first half last week. You know, gets sacked
on the first play and he's hit throwing the second
play and it gets intercepted. So but we've seen him.
I mean there's been games over the last couple years.
They didn't run the ball very well last year in general,
and he was, you know, still able to carry them

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to a lot of wins. So yeah, he's definitely got
the talent around him, and I think he's got the
ability to do that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
John Mike McDonald comes from the Baltimore system. He's a raven.
He's got that raven background with him. Is it a
raven Like style defense that he wants to employ.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Yeah, I mean it's a lot of what you know,
if you watched the Ravens last couple of years, it's
a lot of the same stuff, you know, disguising, the
way they bring pressure, you know, the different coverages. I
think I saw it as like they were in at
least four different coverages more than ten percent of their
snaps last week, So they're mixing it up quite a bit.
And yeah, just really creative pressure packages where you're not
necessarily bringing you know, you're not bringing the house every down,
but it's teams you might rush forward, but they don't

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know which four is coming. So it looks a lot
like Baltimore last year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
And Gerard mentioned that during the week, Like I think
one of the things that he was really impressed with
when he was taking a look at the tape, as
I think John just said, it's not that there's a
lot of them, but you don't know where they are. Yeah,
and this is an opportunity. I think we're the veteran
leader and Jacoby Brissett and David Andrews has got to
do a really good job of getting the line calls
out trying to find out, you know, pre snap, where's

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the pressure going to be coming from and put him
in the best position to succeed.

Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
Yeah, John, maybe not quite the legion of Boom yet,
but I mean between love, Will and Witherspoon, really talented
players in the secondary. What have you seen from them
over the course of the summer here into the week one?

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Yeah, I mean that's probably we talk a lot about
receiver because DK meckf of Tyler Locke at our big names,
but I think probably cornerback might be or defensive back
and droll might be their deepest and best position. They
a lot of young talent, as you just mentioned. I mean,
three of those guys have been to the Pro Bowl
in the last two years, and they're all pretty young.
I mean even Julian Love's like kind of the veteran
leader and he's only twenty six. I think, so a

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lot of talent there. They all played really well. Just
probably to me, the most encouraging thing we saw last
week wasn't anything schematic, but just how much guys are
just flying around quick sure tackles. Dever used a lot
of short passes and just every one of those they
just snuffed them out right away, so encouraging the way
they're just running.

Speaker 8 (01:06:32):
Follow pretty quick.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Just thing.

Speaker 8 (01:06:33):
We were physical camp out here and we noticed the
same thing about the Patriots. They seemed to come out
of the gate pretty good tackling, and we had a
day where they were tackling to the ground. Did you
notice was it a physical camp for the Seahawks a
little bit?

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Yeah, I mean they didn't. I don't think they ever
tackled the ground in practice. They did have kind of
a scrimmage mock game thing where they did a little
more of that, but yeah, I think it was. We've
heard from a couple of players talking about just the
way they drilled tackling, not necessarily tackling the ground, but
just the way they emphasized it every day in practice,
and some of the drills they did have really helped guys,
because sometimes week one that can be because the teams
aren't doing it. So it was pretty impressive the way

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they did it right out of the gate.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Defensively, last year you mentioned they had a hard time
running the ball. They also had a hard time stopping
for sure to run. First week, it looked like it
was really good. Most of the damage was bonus, Nick scrambles.
So is that something that you think they fixed or
is it just a good start.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
We'll see. And I think this is a great early
test because yeah, I mean to your point, denver A like,
I don't think that's going to be their strength this year,
and be they weren't that committed to it. They didn't
run the ball a ton. So with what we saw
from New England last week, if they run anything like
they did, then this is going to be a great
early test for this defense to see how well they fixed.
I mean, they feel like they made some changes both

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personnel and scheme wise to get better there. But the
proof's going to be in the pudding here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
John, you mentioned early and I don't know why I'm
fascinated by this kind of nonsense because at the end
of the.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Year underfense, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I don't know how much of a factor this actually is.
But it's the old West Coast team travel across the
country one o'clock. Does McDonald buy into it? Are things
that he wants to do to try to negate it,
you know, to try to get ahead, whether that's sleep
or anything like that, or just say, you know what
the game's at one o'clock. We're gonna put our pads
on and show up. Let's see what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Yeah, you know, it's that was a topic this week
because you know, they had a really good way that
they did it under Pete Carroll, and so people asked
Mike mcdoniel or you just taking what they did, and
he said, you know, I think it was just a
case like, well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Because they looked at it, they talked to you know,
see sleep specialist and all that, and he really liked
the set up the already had, which is basically, if
the Seahawks are coming East, they'll leave on Friday, get

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in Friday night, so you give players out extra day
to adjust. And they've been you know that used to
be backing like the Mike holmgrener, even when they were
really good. That was just the death knelt for this team.
If they had to come East, it was almost always
a loss of those ten games. But the last I
think decade, I want to say, the numbers twenty four
and eleven, wow, kicking off at ten am. So whatever
they got going, they it worked really well. So I
think McDonald came in and said, hey, you know this

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works for it. But they did do some things. They
did some ten am practices and training camp things like
that to get guys ready for mother.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
No excuses, no excuses.

Speaker 10 (01:08:58):
I have a quick question for you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Well that's why I'm here.

Speaker 9 (01:09:02):
Seeing two safeties in a game seems pretty rare. Was
it a was it a fluke? Do you think or
do you think it was just you know, great plays
made by the Broncos.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Yes, no, it was, uh, I mean the field position
side of it was just you know, you had a
good punt you had they muffed the six muffed punt
put themselves in a hole. But it was I mean
a lot of it was you know, like I said,
the line was struggling early in that game. To their credit,
they cleaned it up and got a lot better. But
you had a hold. You know, they tried to roll
Geno out on a play and you had to guard
grab a guy and he's you know, didn't let go

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soon enough. You can't do that. And then running play,
they just got guys in the backfield and stuff to run.
So yeah, it was you know, the offense just could
not get out of its own way. A lot of
mistakes in the first half of that game, so it's rare,
but I think it was just a combination of some
poor some poor execution, and just some bad luck field
position wise.

Speaker 8 (01:09:51):
Michael, No, I think uh, I think we've covered mostly.

Speaker 10 (01:09:54):
Mad your prediction's score prediction.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I was gonna wait for a second on that. Well,
I mean, are you surprised, Mike that they're coming east
in there? And again, I don't put a lot of stock.
I'm not a Vegas guy or a betting guy or
anything like that, but it is a little surprising Patriots
coming off a win home opener and they're home underdogs
to a team traveling all the way that Seattle is.
Does that surprise you at all?

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Yeah, I mean it seems almost like that was based
more on week one expectations versus what because yeah, obviously
what the Patriots did in Week one was very impressive.
So you know, I don't you know, obviously cannot look
at dude gambling stuff really let alone, nor can we.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
Yeah, well you have to take those those courses to oh.

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all those gambling compliance oh man. So
but yeah, I mean I don't think anybody in Seattle
is looking at this game and like, oh this is
a pushover. They're not. You know, they got everyone's attention
last week for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
But the expectation is there is they're coming here to win,
Like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Yes, I mean yes, I cannoledge that, Yeah, we expect
to one every week. We probably won't, you know, and
then we'll try to get better. But that's their goal,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
So with no pressure on you or anything like that,
and we do not keep tracked unless you unless you
refuse to make a pick as the archives.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
And see if I actually picked the Seahawks in twenty sixteen,
then now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
What are your thoughts? You know, what do you expect
to see today as you're looking at this before the
game starts?

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
I think, you know, I think both these teams are
probably better defensively than offensively right now. So I think
probably low scoring, close game, and I feel like whenever
I think that's gonna happen, it's like forty two to
thirty nine. But yeah, I mean I like the Seahawks
chances just because they managed to win despite getting in
their way so much offensively. I think if they can
just clean a little bit of that up, I think
they've got a pretty good shot at you know, I

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think it's gonna be tight, and it's gonna be They're
gonna be really tests against that running game. But I
like their chances.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I share your thoughts on a low scoring game. This
has low scoring game written all over it, despite the
weather or anything like that. And the weather might be
a factor, it might keep the score down. From a
conditioning standpoint, Seahawks feel like they're in a good condition
as far as baling.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Yeah, they feel like they worked really hard in this
camp and they they were really one thing, you know,
kind of random topic here, but they went to Tennessee
for those joint practices, flew out there on I want
to say, Tuesday, get up, wouldn't stay morning for practice
and ninety five degrees and not a single like four
Titans players cramped up left that practice, not a single
Seahawks player did. So they felt really good about what
that said about kind of their conditioning and how they

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prepped for that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
So, so be careful what you wish for if you
want to take them to the hill, right, be careful
what you wish for it. John, thank you very much,
appreciate your RECTI thanks for having me enjoy the game today.
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Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Matt, It's time for this week's edition of Over Unders.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Okay, do we care about the stats?

Speaker 15 (01:16:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:16:58):
Records?

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Yes we do.

Speaker 8 (01:16:59):
Okay, we do.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
And this is when Mike do So and Paul Perl
offer a golf plant. Yeah to our rookie host six
and who in week one in his first foray in
two over Unders went six and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Oh yeah, I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
That is very impressive. So that would obviously mean that
Matt's leading the way. After one week, Mike would be free,
followed by me at three and three and you at
two and four.

Speaker 8 (01:17:26):
We don't, we don't have to eat them anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
Mathics Okay, six.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Yeah, I believe that's usually reserved only for me. I
won't put it on the mantle, but I'm still I'm
going to struggle again with the order. So do we
go left or right? It starts with Mike, Okay, starts
like a snake. That's good and okay. Then I'm gonna
see if I can.

Speaker 8 (01:17:42):
Five start, and then Paul will start the next then
you'll start the next time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Okay, and so on. Here we go to kick things off.
Jacobyset passing yards at one eight two and a half.
One two and a half for Jacoby Prisett's passing yards.

Speaker 8 (01:17:56):
Mike, Yeah, that's a I think that's a pretty pretty
good number. Unfortun what the hell I'm gonna be. I'm
gonna keep the positive vibes going. I'm gonna I'm gonna
go over on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
How many did he throw for last week?

Speaker 8 (01:18:07):
Did he throw for one hundred and sixty?

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Now, so asking him to throw for one hundred and eighty.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
I think he threw for one hundred and twenty one.
They had one hundred and twenty passing yards as a team.

Speaker 8 (01:18:17):
It's like sixty more.

Speaker 19 (01:18:18):
Guy.

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
Yeah, I am gonna say I'm gonna say over as well,
because I'm gonna say that Seattle will make him throw
a little bit more than he did last week. So
I'm gonna say over.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Okay, did my you get in? Because I was going
through the snake, I went this way, I'm under, I'm
under eighty two and a half. You are right, Okay,
great black, Okay, I don't mind it, but I just
was wondering about it. Next up, Gino Smith passing TDS
at one and a half. As we're looking at pregame

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warm ups here in the pregame social and we see
Jacoby percent a little bit of a haze out there.
It's like on that camera shot, Paul, I guess you
go first with Gino.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
Yeah, I am gonna say under on the Gino Smith
touchdown passes because largely I don't really believe in Gino Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Well, there you go, okay, And so next to me,
I'm gonna go over on the Gino Smith, meaning I
think he's gonna have two passing touchdowns because I'm here
to say I think it's Kenneth Walker, and I think
he's gonna have to go elsewhere to find some offense
for the team.

Speaker 8 (01:19:28):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with Matt on this one. I'm
gonna go over. I think he's got two of these.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Okay, next up Mondre and rushing yards sixty three and
a hey sixty three and a hey from Ramandre Stevenson
coming off of was he a buck twenty.

Speaker 8 (01:19:41):
Five last week?

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
Yes, sir, about twenty a buck twenty Okay, twenty five
for a buck twenty that's you.

Speaker 8 (01:19:47):
First, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Okay, Uh, I'm gonna go over on that. But there
will not be a repeat performance. But he's gonna get
at least more than sixty three and a half.

Speaker 8 (01:19:57):
Yeah, I gotta believe in Ramandre. I do think Seahawks
will put some extra attention to slowing him down, but
I think he'll get over sixty three and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:20:04):
Okay, I'm going to take the under because I think
it's a going to be a concerted effort by the
Patriots coaches to limit him a little bit this week
after twenty five touches. Talk to Taylor Inbury this week,
running backs coach. I started to ask the question about
his workload and he kind of cut me off, and
the year was nodding, And I think that's something that

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they're they're cognizant of I think they try to give
him a little bit of a rest on Wednesday at practice.
So I think you'll see a little bit more Antonio
Gibson this week.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Am I able to change my pick or once it's
in okay, you can change the pick. Obviously I'm going
for under on that because here's why here.

Speaker 5 (01:20:41):
I made salient points.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
You made salient points, and I think the weather. I
think the weather is going to play a role in
this thing. From a condition sixteen point and I think
I think when I hear you talk about the running
backs going that and finishing your sentence on that, I
think they look at it and go, we need to
get more guys involved with this. That's what that tells me.
That's an excellent point by you, Paul.

Speaker 8 (01:21:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Right, That's that's gonna have a big factor in the
game today.

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
And I don't think the stripes match, but that's just.

Speaker 8 (01:21:19):
Well, maybe they're legs will be cooler man on this
hot day, and I have a little extra correct wind,
extra wind down there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Next up on the over unders is Hunter Henry receiving
yards with twenty seven and a half.

Speaker 8 (01:21:31):
Oh, this is it, folks. This is your Fred kersh
lock of the week from me. I'm gonna go over
with Hunter Henry. I'm gonna say he's got over that,
and I think he's gonna pick up a touchdown too.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
Okay, I'm gonna take the over as well. It's pretty
low total. I think they gotta pass the ball a
little bit more this week. I'm gonna take the over.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Okay, I'm gonna make it a clean sweep and do
for the same thing as just an aside, Do people
actually bet on this kind of stuff?

Speaker 8 (01:21:55):
I hope not.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
Oh not based on our pick. No, no, no, no, no,
I'm talking about these These are like like the same
game parlay kind of stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:22:03):
It's nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
It's completely straight off our our post game sponsor, post
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Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
By the way I got into that, I got that
little nod going into the whole thing. That just jef y,
I you know, Okay, longest touchdown yards either team. So
this means the longest play and the number is thirty
six point five.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
That's a high number.

Speaker 8 (01:22:23):
That's very high.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
I'm going to take the under.

Speaker 8 (01:22:26):
I smell another clean sweet mic. Yeah, I think so.
I'm going under with you guys. Uh, unless it's DK Metcalf,
that's the that's the problem. Today's the one that was
probably it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
A missed tackle, the one he kept like. He's not
a speed guy.

Speaker 8 (01:22:42):
He looked pretty fast last time we've played on speak.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
You ever see him run down what's the guy from
the Cardinals that he ran down? Baker? One of those guys.

Speaker 8 (01:22:50):
I was still thinking of him, Dustin Stefan Gilmore last time.
But but yeah, I think he's okay. Wow, I'm under.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
Its harsh by you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Is it weird for me to say that it's weird
to see them not in the All Blues? No, I mean,
like only because I'm used to seeing him in the
in the All Blue No.

Speaker 8 (01:23:05):
I I just it's better.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Don't get me wrong, this is better.

Speaker 8 (01:23:08):
I like him. I just wish that, like Paul said,
I wish that the stripes of stripes don't why like
the stripes on the top right like their youth football team.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
Right, whatever was left over, they gave them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Okay, last item on the over unders is total score
and the number is thirty eight and a half.

Speaker 8 (01:23:25):
Thirty eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
This is against a team that last week put up
sixteen points in a win. Do I kick it off
on this one?

Speaker 8 (01:23:31):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
You do?

Speaker 8 (01:23:32):
You?

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
You big you?

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:23:36):
I'm a big U two on this one. I think
it's a it's a teen's the teens kind of game.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
That's how I feel. So I'm gonna take the under
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
And our behind enemy Lines guest John Boyle from Seahawks
dot Com also, I thought, interestingly enough, sesus is a
little bit of a tractor pull as well.

Speaker 8 (01:23:51):
Right, how novel? We haven't watched those games? What's going
right right now? Because that guy's playing right there? Marcus
Jones recovered a fumble last week. Thought he looked pretty good,
uh in training camp. He's just got some speed. It's
just nice to see these guys get get out there
and bring that plus athleticism that I think the team
has just been, you know, too desperate for it lately.

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And now you've got him, You've got Gonzalez, you've got
Drake May. You're starting to see, you know, just some
really next level athletic type guys here on the field,
and that's what they need. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Okay, I'm shifting through the electronic mail at web radio
at Patriots dot com, and uh, I'm trying to see
if there's anything here that catches my eye. There doesn't
off the top of my head.

Speaker 5 (01:24:37):
David Andrews making the rounds pre.

Speaker 8 (01:24:39):
Game to handing out uh, handing out the high fives.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
Yeah, did I see you know? The Why can I
I'm blanking on the Super Bowl that we're honoring today.
I mean, when you've been part of so many Super
Bowl runs, sometimes you forget which.

Speaker 8 (01:24:54):
One the rings get stuck in your ears and which
one is which?

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
Which one was the one that they won in Seattle
forty for forty nine. Some of those members out on
the field pre game.

Speaker 8 (01:25:07):
Yeah, quite a few members.

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
Actually. Did I just see David Andrews wapping up Billy Yates?

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
I did maybe a little while ago. That was not
part of that team, but was part of the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
It might be a little early for those people being on.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
There, but maybe not. Maybe I maybe I saw something.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
It was a very very nice reception hosted by Robert
and Jonathan Kraft last night, welcoming people back, and Marcus
Cannon was there, looked pretty good. Nate Solder the.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
Soldier was one of the nicest men that's been in
that line.

Speaker 8 (01:25:35):
Great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
So you had some real offensive Us Martine talent there
with soldier Josh Klein, who doesn't anything, doesn't even look
like an offensive lineman anymore. I'd mentioned what he looked like.
Marcus Cannon and Sea Bass. SeaBASS is doing seasous. We
see him all the time.

Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:56):
Sea Bass likes to mock me when I'm in the
Bob's Discount front of studios and he's yelling and a
Jason Yeah studio.

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
I'd say, though, to just real quick, like if we
don't if we could reflect to put a moment on
that forty nine. I mean, it's kind of interesting. I
think it's my favorite of the six Super Bowl wins,
my favorite game. Just it meant to me like after
ten years of getting so close and falling short, and
you know, it looked like it was gonna head that
way again with the crazy pass there at the end
of the game, they're on the goal line and you

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felt like Oh my god, it's all happening again. Like
you know, we just we can't get over this hump
ever since two thousand and four. And then you know
Malcolm Butler's big interception. But I to me that game
two Titans of the NFL, you were down in a hole.
You had to claw your way out of it. You
had to play perfect down the end. Vintage Brady, Julian Edelman,
crazy catches, I mean, Gronk Ammondola, all those guys coming through.

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It was just an awesome game.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
My favorite pushaw. I'm going to say, Paul to that pushaw, push,
how can it ever be any better than your first
one when when they beat the Rams. But I will say, Mike,
after that one, that was the best game. I mean,
that was a heavy weight about There were heavyweight blows
being tossed by both teams, haymakers on both sides of
the ball, and with all the flukes, the up and

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downs and everything like that, it was incredibly memorable and
a great football game.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
Yeah, I'm with Mike. That's my number one at the
top of the list. Now, if you want to talk
from an emotional standpoint like the first one, I get
Matt's point that's what I mean. But in terms of
the game, it was two great teams playing at their best, yes,
as opposed to one team taking the game off and
the other team being the plucky underdog that I thought.

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The Patriots really controlled three and a half quarters of
the first game, and just because the other team was
so much more talented, they found a way to hang
around and stay in it and almost steal it at
the end. But Seattle and the Patriots were just two
heavyweights in their prime, just slugging it out standing. It
was like Rocky and Apollo at the end of Rocky two.
Just like you know, just Ham weren't away at each other.

Speaker 8 (01:28:01):
I didn't go the distance, can win, and we did win. Matt,
Where were you for thirty six for the first Super Bowl?
You weren't here yet, were you? I wasn't here. I was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
I was at a Channel five here in the news.
And I believe if the back of the Superdome wasn't
up against the wall of Superdome wasn't up against my back,
I could see it from where I was somewhere down there.

Speaker 8 (01:28:25):
There's a game going on me too.

Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
I was in the auxiliary press box that was pretty
high up.

Speaker 8 (01:28:30):
Well that's why for me, Like, I mean the first one,
I was a Patriots fan growing up, and it was,
you know, shocking and it's, you know, the classic underdog story.
But I would say forty nine was, you know, I
got into this crazy blogger mode and now it's like,
I'm heavily invested in this team. I know all these players.
You know, I've just been focusing so much since two
thousand and sixties, and that's when I really got in deep.
That Like that one for me was just so gratifying

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to like finally get And I mean the part was
out out in California and I'm like sitting with my
in laws and I had no one to celebrate with,
so I missed all my Patriot fans.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
And Mike you told the little storied embarrassment of Richard's
in my short, pathetic career. Here but on the field
behind the bench for the Super Bowl forty nine, and
I have to give a shout out to ACE camera
person Sam Patten, who, as everything's going down the tubes,
is focused on Tom Brady on the sideline and only
Tom Brady. And when Butler picks the ball off, that

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magical shot of Brady jumping up and down.

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
Ignoring Jimmy Garoppolo.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
That was a shot.

Speaker 5 (01:29:27):
Yeah, I never knew that.

Speaker 8 (01:29:30):
See, I learned something great.

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
I've been here for twenty five years and I still
learned something every year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
And it's such a great shot. And he had the
wherewithal to sit there and go, here's the spot, let's
be on the guy who everybody's talking about. And it's
just a phenomenal shot that he has.

Speaker 8 (01:29:45):
How crazy to go though from Sam probably thinking he's
about to get the heart of the shot of Tom
Brady's heart tearing in half for the third straight Super
Bowl losing, you know, at the end on a terror,
on a terrible play, and but to get but instead
to get the complete opposite and to get to see
him going from we're about to lose this game to
holy crap, we just pulled out a miracle. I mean,
what a shot. Nice job, Sam.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
Yeah, between that shot and the shot after the overtime
touchdown in Kansas City and the eighteen AFC Championship, that
was as elated as I've seen Tom Brady, And like
even going back to the first one when he has
that sort of incredulous look, I can't believe we just
did that. This like the genuine excitement, probably because of
the way you guys just said it, like the despair

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to the excitement of winning.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
One of the all time classics. Web Radio at Patriots
dot Com. Here's an interesting and nobody's really been talking
about this, which is so whow. I'll pull this one up.
This is from Brendan and Edmonton. Do you think this
team missus Kendrick Bourne, And I would emphatically say yes,
Ken Brissett, get him the ball when he's ever get back,
when he ever gets back.

Speaker 15 (01:30:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:30:51):
I mean it's hard to say, you know, through one game.
I mean, certainly the passing game hasn't blown doors off yet.
But I think Kendrick Bourne's a good piece and I
think at some point you'll welcome him back into the
mix and you know, he'll bring a little bit of
that run after catchability that I think is really valuable.
He's got, you know, a good gear when he catches
the ball, and it seems to be able to accelerate.
We saw, I mean, like we said, he was on

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pace I think for eighty five catches last year before
he got hurt. So he was having a real good
season despite the struggles of the offense last year, so
I always, you know, it's hard to not have these
guys in training camp, but it's always kind of a
nice boost when you get those pup guys back in
the middle of the season. You know, notice this week
Col Strange working out a little bit more up on
the upper field. So how are these guys going to

(01:31:32):
fit in? Hard to tell, but it's just nice to
get some reinforcements, especially if you know some injuries do
strike over the next couple weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
We're watching pregame warm up, says, the players are going
through the paces of getting ready for the game. We
don't control the cameras like we do when the team
is on the road. But just saw a shot a
couple of seconds ago of Jabriel Peppers with the Guardian
hat and embracing that yep, and talk to him. If
there was a player that should be wearing the Guardian hat,

(01:31:58):
I think it should be Jabriel Peppers.

Speaker 8 (01:31:59):
I mean, and it's you know, I give him a
lot of credit for doing it, because I mean, I
think they do kind of look a little silly, jarring,
I don't want to say, but look a little jarring
at first.

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
But you don't you're going to take this to the
extreme of I'm going to give him credit for wearing
a Guardian cap like his his his just love and
affection for Pepper's knows no bounds.

Speaker 8 (01:32:15):
I would say this though, he's a guy who plays
on the edge, and he's tough, and he's a tough guy,
and you know, usually those guys they don't they don't
want to wear something like that. They don't want to
come off as somebody who's concerned about safety. They want
to come off as the guy who's willing to light
everybody up. And you know, so I just think it's
he said an example. He said he didn't really know
what notice much of a difference. He said, the hardest
thing was that it's hot because it covers up.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
I thought that was the funniest thing is for someone
who is going out of you know, obviously he's in
a small minority. There's not a lot of players wearing them,
so it's something that he felt strongly about to wear it.
Then he said, the only way I might not wear
it because it might be too hot. And I was
just like, what, like you, Yeah, you're going out of
your way to you know, to do something that most

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people aren't and if it's too hot, you're not going
to do it.

Speaker 8 (01:33:00):
He was looking forward in the winter. I did have
a little bit of a funny though. We talked to
him in the locker room of Friday, and he came
up to his locker and he find how he had
a funny ha high the story. He had on a
winter cap and then but he also, I think had
just come out of the TV meeting, so he had
the winter cap Patriots winter cap on with a Fox
News hat or a Fox Sports hat just sitting on
top of his hat. And so he's walking in his
locker room. So I said, it's not the Guardian cap

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for the locker room, and he chuckled at that. So thanks,
not as much as Glenn, but a little bit funny,
but always willing to talk Peppers and came off the
injury injury report yesterday intense, dude, seems ready to go.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
Can I do to do with the Patriots at all?
But but related to the Guardian cap and whatnot. And
everybody saw what happened Thursday night, you know, with Tua,
and I'm a little annoyed. And I'm annoyed because I
don't think something as serious as a guy's career should

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be necessarily open for just widespread eight around the league,
to the point where even another team's head coach, Antonio
Pierce with the Raiders, is weighing in, like, I think
you should retire? Who are you? This decision is too?
Is in his his family and his obviously the medical people,
you know, Like if if the Dolphins like neurologists and

(01:34:20):
whatnot come out and they say, you know what, we
would advise you to retire. That makes perfect sense to me.
Antonio Pierce advising him to retire should be fine. That
should be a fine. I'm really well, I didn't know that,
but I think it should be a fine. I think
it's just so highly inappropriate. And the amount of people

(01:34:42):
that think it's okay to just tell a guy what
he should and shouldn't do, I think is ridiculous. Like listen,
we can all watch it and sit there and have
empathy for a guy who is obviously had two very
high profile CONCUTI he's had three as ASNNF player, but
two of them where he had the fencing position that

(01:35:03):
everybody talks about now. Oh not so coincidentally, those both
happened on Thursday night football. By the way, it's almost
like it's probably not all that safe to play a
football game four days after you played another one. Just saying,
but I just I think it's wrong that people think
it's okay to tell a guy what what he.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Should and shouldn't do and maybe too advances a little bit. Mike,
you're the information guy, and I don't know if you've
caught this as well, but I think on one of
the Sunday splash shows that they try to do, there
was some information it might have been rapaport. I'm not
sure that says. All The information that people are hearing
is he's intending to get back and play and going
to follow the doctor's orders and do whatever's necessary. But

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at least the preliminary reports that are being talked about
are that he's still intent on playing.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
He has no plans to retire evidently.

Speaker 8 (01:35:51):
I mean, Pepper's talked about it. I mean, one thing
you can say is, I mean he's got to he
can't slide head first, I mean, you know, diving like
that aggressively. That was you know, Pepper's thing. Anytime you
lower your head, you're putting yourself in a danger. Spot.

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
So I wish he did die. He didn't dive, he
put his shoulder down trying to get because it was
going to be it was right at the first down
mark if he slid. Now, obviously, when you look at
a game that they lost thirty one to ten, and
you start to say to yourself, would it have been
better if he just slid because he wouldn't have gotten
the first down because if he started that slide, it
probably would have been before the first down. But then

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you now you look at what happened and you're like,
well was that worth it? You got the first down?
But now who knows when you're going to play again?
You know? So I get that, but I I just
think it. It leaves a really bad taste in my
mouth to listen to the amount of media people, the
speculation that not even speculation, but like here's what should
have finger wagging, you know, like he should never play again? Right, Like, well,

(01:36:45):
who are you to make that decision?

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Exactly?

Speaker 8 (01:36:47):
I just you know, what I just don't get is
like how do the Bills kick the Dolphins ass like
this every time? Like I just don't I don't get it,
Like I thought maybe at some point it was going
to turn. The Patriots have always struggled down to the Patriots,
like even with Tom Brady, Like there were games We're like,
what is going on down there? Yet somehow the Bills
can go down there on a short week almost and
just absolutely blow doors again, you know, and all like,

(01:37:10):
I've never seen Tua look like that against the Patriots
for some reason. Well, Tua is always just chucking it
around the yard against the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
Yeah, two of the picks were definitely on the receivers.
One of them hit the receiver in the hands, and
the other one was clearly a guy that wasn't where
we were supposed to be. The pick six in the
second half, I didn't see, so I don't know what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
You're looking at pregame warm ups on the field right
now Jacoby Prissette particular warming up, and moments ago we
saw some of Marcus Jones, which leads us to this
email from Nick in Illinois. Is always great show so far, guys.
Seeing Marcus Jones made me think about the new kickoff
with all the touchbacks week one, do you guys see
the league adjusting in the near future? Thank you very

(01:37:47):
much from Nick and I don't I see the adjustment
being banging out of the end zone and let's give
him the extra five and let's defend.

Speaker 8 (01:37:54):
Yeah, it's it seemed like it's settled into basically exactly
what it's kind of been like, is an extra four
yards a kick return?

Speaker 5 (01:37:59):
I don't know, Yeah, I think, and that countcept, by
the way, a touchdown like the very slight it didn't
one of them was running. The Cardinals actually got blown
out of that game, but that extra point gave them
eight free points because they went for two after that.
But the one adjustment that I could potentially see is

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once once these teams get comfortable with how they're covering it,
they're going to watch even the touchbacks correct and I
think they might start popping them high and trying to
get greedy because I don't think this is a good
way to return can I don't think this is anything
that's going to result in opening up. Yeah, I don't
think it opens things up. I think it probably is
going to lead to teams getting stuck in, you know,

(01:38:43):
inside their twenty because I just think it's it's really
hard to block those guys in such a small amount
of space. There's no creases necessarily, but we'll see. Maybe
the Cardinals one will lead to more returns this week
and people, you know, maybe they'll hit them the way
that I think it was. DJ Dallas was that who
ran it back? I'm not sure I think that's for

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the Cardinals. I guess I'm the only one who watches
the league. But you know, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Web radio at Patriots dot Com. Hello, friends, This is
from Travis in West Virginia. Do you think it's possible
that DeMar Hammond was wearing some sort of pactive vest
to protect his heart and that created a harder impact
for Tua. No, I'm going to say no no.

Speaker 8 (01:39:24):
To that right tomorrow Tomorrow's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Okay, this from Nakodia in West Virginia. I'd like to
give some positivity to the offense. I know they only
scored sixteen points in one for four in the red zone.
Can we give them credit for making it into the
red zone four times in the last couple.

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
Of years now when they took over in the red
zone on one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Okay, yeah, I think went I think that's asking too
much as far as that is concerned.

Speaker 5 (01:39:47):
Yeah, I mean, if they had like, you know, four
hundred yards and just couldn't finish drives. Then I would say, hey,
this week one, you know, they couldn't finish the drives up.
They didn't move the ball all day, right, They had
one really good drive, second drive of the game. They
win eighty yards for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Yep, you know that was it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
And really they had a couple of other drives that
were good enough. You know, the field goal drive they
went like I think they went like fifty yards or
sixty yards off of one of the feet. You know,
it converted a couple of third downs, and obviously, to me,
the money drive was the last one where you were
able to grind out a couple of first downs and
make sure the other team doesn't get the ball back.

Speaker 8 (01:40:23):
Yere.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Okay, do you guys want to do the Sunday six pack?

Speaker 5 (01:40:27):
Sure?

Speaker 8 (01:40:27):
All right, Matt, this is the Sunday six pack.

Speaker 16 (01:40:30):
So kick back and listen.

Speaker 8 (01:40:31):
I'm up positioning, I'm getting to getting the pits back.

Speaker 6 (01:40:33):
You better bring a big stack, get a mixed jack.
Came but win again.

Speaker 8 (01:40:37):
This is the Sunday sixth bad.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
I'll ask this question again. I'm not I am repeating
myself but I'm just wanted to make sure do we
care about the records in this one as well? Is
that is that important?

Speaker 8 (01:40:47):
It's always important?

Speaker 5 (01:40:48):
Its always important if you're keeping score, keeping score.

Speaker 8 (01:40:50):
Okay, all right, hey, I know something to me means
something to you.

Speaker 5 (01:40:53):
Little Larry Bird school. If they're keeping score, it matters.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
I guess last week not game for anybody, everybody was
a game under five hundred and two and three and
one exact graphic.

Speaker 8 (01:41:04):
Look at that, Matt, You're getting hard, right, what are
we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
I get it, I get it. It's a tough person
to replaced.

Speaker 8 (01:41:12):
Was that on purpose?

Speaker 5 (01:41:13):
Is that on purpose? Because if it is, I like it.
It's a control.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
You know, let's keep that up the rest of the
year on the top one hard all right, So let's
go around the league a little bit. We've got one, two, three,
four five to look up before the Patriots game, and
we start down in Nashville, where the uh high expectation
New York Jets are looking for their first win against
the Tennessee Titan team that completely threw up over themselves

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and lost last week. The Jets are favored by three
and a half.

Speaker 8 (01:41:42):
That was when John Boyle was talking about going to
joint practices in Tennessee. I feel like it's a right
of passage now, like you got if you if your
team goes to joint practices in Tennessee or your media
contingent ghost it your you. You now are ready for
the season because it's just so bloody hot there and
you have to do karaoke. You have to do karaoke,
hit hit, Hit Broadway, all the fun sites. But I
don't think the Jets hit Broadway last night. I think

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they're focused and ready for their game today. I'm going
to take the Jets, and.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
Yeah, I think the Jets bounce back in a big way.
I am a believer in the team, and I think
that they will resemble what people kind of were expecting
a little bit more. I think, you know, allowing four
hundred yards and like two hundred and sixty or whatever
it was on the ground was an aberration unless it wasn't.
But I'm going to take the Jets. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
I agree with you both, I think, and specifically with you, Paul.
I think this is a savage mismatch on the board.
I like the Jets. I think the Jets are going
to make a statement today in Tennessee game number two,
and speaking of statements and speaking of a team getting right,
the zero to one Vegas Raiders are going to Baltimore
to take on the Ravens, who were a tonail away
from beating the defending champions. And I don't think and

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the Ravens are a little bit well rested. This also
could be a real ugly one.

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
I think that's a lot of points that I don't
like to necessarily lay more than a score to the
Ravens because I don't think they like to play that way.
But I'm gonna do it in this case because I
think the Raiders just aren't very good. So I'm gonna
take the Ravens to cover.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
But they've got Antonio Pierce, tough ex player.

Speaker 5 (01:43:09):
To coach him. Well, they like him, so that right,
he smokes cigars, right am?

Speaker 8 (01:43:14):
My next yes, Ravens, big yeah, I think I think Ravens,
the Raiders of the Raiders are dealing with a West
coast trip, right one am. That's just tough to deal with.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Right, Okay. Our next game on the slate, the one
to o New Orleans Saints, who beat the bag out
of Carolina last week, go to Dallas and take on
the Cowboys, who are a touchdown favorite. Tom Bradys announcing
this game, I know everybody wants to know every one
of his movements and everything like that. He will be
in the booth for the Saints Dallas game.

Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
Paul, you're first, uh, I think your first?

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Okay, Dallas, Big Dallas will cover that.

Speaker 5 (01:43:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:43:53):
I think the Panthers stinks, so it's hard to read
a lot into that Saints game. But I'm going to
ta Dallas to at home. All lay the points.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
Yeah, this is one of those weeks that Dallas generally
pukes on itself. You know, they go out and they
get a nice, you know, easy win on the road
against a playoff team from a year ago, and they
wouldn't be ready to go. But I just think the
defense is too good. I'm gonna lay the six points.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
I'll take Dallas, Okay, And next to last on the list,
the one to know Tampa Bay Buccaneers are at Detroit
to take on Paul's favorite team, the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 8 (01:44:26):
Who starts that'll be mikekay be me, I'm gonna take
I'm gonna I think it's a close one. I do
think Detroit will pull it out, but I think it's
gonna be close. I just thinka Tampa's got some good players.
I will take Tampa plus seven and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:44:41):
Okay, I'm gonna take Tampa as well. I'm gonna take
the hook. I think the Lions win the game, but
I think a back door cover is an order. Baker
Mayfield is able to put enough points on the board
to stay within a touchdown three for three.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
I like Tampa to keep it a click a game,
but Paul's favorites to win. Anybody hear the line the
other day by one of the seventy thousand shows Belichick's
On where Belichick goes.

Speaker 8 (01:45:01):
I love Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
You know Mayfield's playing well. He'll keep them in the game.
And on Sunday Night Football tonight, do you one to
Oh thank you? Tennessee Chicago Beers go to another one
of Paul's darlings, the Houston Texans, the super Bowl favorite
Houston Texans. Houston is a six and a half point favorite.
Am I first?

Speaker 5 (01:45:21):
I am first. I will take the Texans.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Your favorites.

Speaker 5 (01:45:25):
I don't know why they're my favorites. I actually picked
I actually picked Jacksonville to win that division. I'm not
sure why Houston has become my favorite, but I'll wear
it the Texans. I think we'll get the win in cover.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
If I'm second, I agree. I think I don't think
Chicago's very good. I think they showed that last week,
and I like Houston in that game.

Speaker 8 (01:45:46):
Mike damn with you guys, Houston rolls, which leads.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
Us to why we're here. Jillette Stadium in Foxville, Massachusetts,
where the Patriots and their home opener take on the
Seattle Seahawks. Were Seattle and Mike Matt Morrell these did
the spread go up a little bit? I saw anywhere
from three to three and a half, depending on where
you're shopping. Four points spread. That's a little more than
I would have thought.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
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the postgame ship.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
It seems like a little higher than this might have been,
maybe earlier in the week, even though I don't follow.

Speaker 5 (01:46:15):
That pall well, it was three and a half. Three
and a half, okay, it was three and a half
on Thursday, So for you know, it seems online seems
like people like Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
Okay, and who's you okay? I don't feel great about it.
But I like New England with the points.

Speaker 8 (01:46:32):
That's how I feel. Man, I don't feel great about it.

Speaker 7 (01:46:35):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:46:35):
I think if if the Patriots do drop this game,
I feel my prediction what we're talking about is they
just couldn't get to Geno Smith and Gino Smith had
enough time to fine lock it, to get it down
to metcalf. They are able to pass the ball, score
some points quick, Patriots getting a whole hard to catch up.
That that's the formula I see. But I think at
the Patriots, like I said, get to a fast start.
They don't kill themselves with a ton of mistakes. They're

(01:46:57):
able to overcome the couple of mistakes. Maybe they do
make able to close out at the end. I like
the Patriots, I'll think, but the plus four for me
is where it's at. Now.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
Yeah, I'm a Homer, so I'm going to take the
Patriots contractually abligated to do so. As Fred tells me
time and time again. I just think these kinds of games,
I think sort of favor the way they want to play.
If Gino Smith does what John John Boyle said, you know,

(01:47:26):
and he's able to spread the ball around I think
he has the weapons to hurt the Patriots defense, and
if he's able to avoid the mistakes, then I don't
like the Patriots chances. I don't expect that to happen.
I think it's going to be similar to last week,
and that the other team is going to make some
mistakes and the Patriots win sixteen to thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Okay, thank you very much, Paul. And that wraps up
our Sunday six pack. Easy to drink, easier to enjoy, Bud,
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Speaker 5 (01:47:57):
Well, if you're going to drive, i'd refrained from him
be in the first point.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Correct, all right, back to web radio Pictures dot com.
Are we seriously talking about the heat when it's only
seventy seven degrees out? Clearly this team won't stand a
chance in Miami Soft, says Tim from Boston. I mean again,
I was saying this to John Boyle when he was here.
This is a little bit of more nonsense. These are
the abstract things that I think most coaches hate. Who

(01:48:22):
cares if it's hot? Who cares if it's cold, who
cares if it's windy, Who cares if it's Rainy's for
both teams. I'm just telling you, I think it's gonna
have there will be a bit of a factor whether
we'll play a role in this game, a little bit.
I'm not telling you it's a whole thing, but I
think it will play a factor in the game. And
I don't think it is anything to do about which
team is soft or not. I do think conditioning will
play a role today.

Speaker 8 (01:48:43):
Yeah, I mean it depends. I mean I think early season,
you're always a little bit of that. At the end
of the game, what team has some gas left? But
we'll see.

Speaker 5 (01:48:50):
I don't know about conditioning because I don't know what
kind of condition Seattle's in. I kind of agree with
the email, like this is not ninety five in humid
in Miami. I think it's a beautiful day here.

Speaker 8 (01:48:59):
And I don't beaches are open.

Speaker 5 (01:49:01):
The beaches were open, and you know we're gonna have
our best year fourth of July.

Speaker 8 (01:49:05):
All right, Actually, Matt, if you don't mind out real quick,
I just wanted to share jirob. Mayo on the radio
pregame ninety eight point five.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
The Sports Hub with Zoe.

Speaker 8 (01:49:13):
With Zoe said, regarding Chuck's a KORPS four, I called
him and it had everything to do with the man.
I wanted to make sure that he was good, in
a good space and really considering and taking into consideration
that this is what he wanted to do. It said,
nothing to do with football, is what Mayo had to say.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
All right, So I like the fact that he clears
that up a little bit in Paul. I'll say this,
here's one thing where Gerard has really been consistent about
that early on. I absolutely I'm not telling you that
somebody didn't or not, but I think it's very important
for Gerard to let people know that he wants to
deal with these people as human beings first before football players.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
Yeah, I'm not sure we got any information there though,
Like he he called him. I mean, like, wouldn't a
coach want to find out why a guy has left
the team.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
I think, but there's a school of thought out there
that Chucks has left the team high and dry and
because of this they can't count on him anymore and
more of a harday kind of an old school kind
of way, like all right, he's gone, move on, Who's next,
next man up, and everything like that, where I think
Gerard is trying to say, pump the brakes a little bit.
Let's deal with if there's a human element here. I

(01:50:21):
want to know what that is first before we get
into can a guy who I'm counting on to provide
tackle depth play or not play?

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
Oh you're talking about in terms of why he did this?

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:50:31):
Yeah, But I mean, like I said, I'm not sure
that that. I don't know. I guess I have to
find out.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
I like the messaging, that's all.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
I don't really think.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Well, okay, all right, back to the electronic mailweb radio
Patriots dot com. This is Dexter from Santa Rosa. If
you had to choose one, which would you rather have
to build the momentum for the season. A Keon White
has two and a half more saxis game, be one
of the young wide receivers. Taekwon Baker Polk has a
solid game to get the fans excited about six for

(01:51:06):
eighty in a touchdown. I know which one Mike will choose,
thank you and go pay.

Speaker 8 (01:51:11):
I would probably choose be thank you very much. Now,
just because we've seen a little like we have some
excitement about White right now, Even if he doesn't put
two and a half sacks up tonight, I think everybody's
still feeling positive about him and the impact he's going
to make on the offense. But show me something I
haven't seen yet. I mean to see Polk come out
here and have you know, six seven catches, something like that,

(01:51:31):
Taekwon Thornton getting down deep, you know, making some big play,
stretching the field a little bit. Those kind of new
elements that we haven't really seen out of them yet.
Those those, to me, would be the most encouraging progress
on things you haven't seen yet, rather than you know,
doubling down on you know, Keon White gets two and
off sacks. Unless you know Keon White is just blowing
through guys and doing it all by himself, then you
really might be talking about something special with him.

Speaker 5 (01:51:53):
Yeah, I would agree with Mike. I think the better
sign would be something you haven't seen yet. Like so,
I mean, obviously it'd be great to see On White
duplicate it, but he did it last week. I'd like
to see one of those young wide receivers show that
he can do it too. Now you have two elements
of your team that look like they have some promise.
You know, in terms of young.

Speaker 8 (01:52:11):
Guys, you think Baker plays today with I mean last week?

Speaker 5 (01:52:14):
Ye do I not unless they fall behind and it
becomes like a multiple receiver game. Like if it's a
similar game as last week and they want to run
the ball, you know they're not going to be like
four and five wide a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:52:25):
Yeah, I do want. I do wonder just if he did,
if he had a good week of practice, you know,
if there was if he did some stuff to earn
this chance.

Speaker 5 (01:52:32):
Because he makes me wonder and you guys will both
make fun of me, because you guys know I always
go down these roads. It leads me to believe he
got suspended last week.

Speaker 8 (01:52:41):
Yeah, that's I figured, that's what you can say.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
But I would take a little bit more measured approach
and say, this is an immature kid. Okay, they think
there's some talent that they can untap in this thing.
Let's let him see what it's like to dress on
game day, see what it's like to be part of
an NFL team. Pump the brakes on what your expectations
are for him. I don't think he's going to see
a lot of action, but maybe he understands, and maybe

(01:53:03):
something will rub off on him. This is how I
act to have to act, prepare, do all the things
that are necessary to get ready, and maybe there's something
that can help him down the road.

Speaker 8 (01:53:13):
I would just say that, I mean I thought consistently
through camp both Rager and Booty were ahead of him,
especially as like an outside receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:53:20):
So in Booty getting one of the practice players last week,
I think also added to that. Now it will be
interesting to see if Baker is one of the practice
to you a point, if he had a strong week
of practice, I can't imagine unless the game unfolds in
an entirely different way, that you're going to need you

(01:53:40):
fourth and fifth receivers.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
About twenty four minutes to kickoff, and the emailer brought
up a couple of words that I just would like
to expand upon here, and those are the words fans excited.
We talked a little bit about this in the postgame
show last week home opener. Beautiful day, great weather, great
opportunity to come out and see the new look new
England Patriots. What do you expect to see? And here
from a reaction standpoint today.

Speaker 8 (01:54:02):
I hope the fans bring it today. I mean there's
some excitement. I mean Ceatrick Wise talked to him in
the locker room on Friday. He said, you know, you
can kind of feel the excitement right now a little
bit around town, around the team, and I mean it's,
let's face it, it's been a little while since you
felt that excitement. You know, maybe last year for you know,
Brady Day and the Eagles Week one. There's you know,
always something to get excited about. I feel about like
for the home opener. So hopefully the fans bring it.

(01:54:24):
I mean, Seattle that their environment is awesome, so I
hope the Patriots fans can kind of, you know, take
a page from what the Seahawks do day in and
day out at their stadium out there in Seattle, and
you know, really make life tough on this the tough
on these guys. I mean, you don't know how long
this season's going to really be like this where you
feel like you've got some hopes and positivity, you don't
know where things are going to go. And I think
that's when you got to bring it. You got to

(01:54:46):
make it feel like a home opener for the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Well, there's so much new here you know, as far
as a new regime and a new era and new players,
new coaching staff and everything like that, I'd like to
see the fans embrace that and say, you know, let's
make Gillette Stadium a tough place to play for opponent teams.
I don't think that's been the case, and I think
fans have been spoiled here for a while with all
the success that they had.

Speaker 8 (01:55:07):
I'd like to.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
See maybe a new era of fans maybe being ushered
in and let's get behind this young team. They need
some support on this and let's make it a tough
place to play so opponents just don't come in here
and you know, uh don't need to worry about silent
snapcounts in any of the other things.

Speaker 8 (01:55:21):
Yeah, I mean, Karen Grigan wrote today about their struggles
at home the last few season. You got to go
back to twenty twenty, the last time they had a
winning record here at home. They were shout out twice.
Last year here, they only scored three points once. It
hasn't been a great place for them. So getting coming
out here playing well, the fans feeding off of that
energy from the players, I think that'd be you know,
just a great sign to kind of continue to progress

(01:55:42):
and redefine this new generation of the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Paul, is that more nonsense talk, you know, me dealing
with abstracts and things like that rather than blocking and
tackling and the things that are really important.

Speaker 5 (01:55:52):
I think those things those I think those things would
be important. I just don't think this has ever been
a tough place to play in terms of the atmosphere.
I think it's been a tough place to play because
the Patriots have been vastly superior talent wise than the
other team. But I don't think it's been an ovally
hostile environment for the most part. There have been occasions
pockets where that's happened, and it's individual games where the

(01:56:12):
crowd sort of There's been some playoff games that the
press box has been shaking fourteen, but they did don't
really happen on a consistent basis. We you know, we
used to do the paper, you know, the Patriots Football Weekly.
We had a big cover story during the bye week
one and we had it. It was called the Silence
of the Fans, the Funds, Sorry, thank you, and it

(01:56:36):
was all about how it just never seemed to be
a very difficult environment to play in here in Foxborough,
and that was the old stadium. It's been the same
same with the new stadium. So yeah, I think that
that would be something to strive for. I'm just not
really expecting it now. Today. There should be a lot
of enthusiasm. It's it's the home opener, it's a new coach,

(01:56:59):
You're coming off a spirited win on the road that
most people didn't expect, So yeah, you should be ready
to go today.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Do you expect something, at least out of the shoot
that they're going to be into it?

Speaker 5 (01:57:09):
I think as long as they play well, they'll be
into it. They fall behind and people are going to
be as cranky as they always are, right and if
they fall behind, people are going to be cranky.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
And I think one of the you know, I didn't
say this, and it's as obvious as the nose on
your face, but you know, when you talk about keys
to the game, getting the Fians into it, keeping the
fans excited, a good start is always a very That's
not a bad place to start. So if they can
make a play here, do something, get on the scoreboard,
play from ahead, which I think every team wants to
be able to do all of those will be factors

(01:57:42):
in a positive result by.

Speaker 8 (01:57:44):
The end of the day.

Speaker 5 (01:57:44):
Yeah, and I think that, you know, especially for the
way this team needs to play. It's been a while
since they've been able to win anyway, right, you know,
in the heyday, they could do anything they want. You
want to run, you want to throw, you want to
play defense, you want to fall behind, you want to
play you know, you want to play with the lead,
you want to you know, make it a special teams game,

(01:58:06):
a weather game. They could beat you any way you wanted.
They'd beat the bag out of you. They can't do
that anymore. Yeah, so I think the start is really
more important than it ever was.

Speaker 8 (01:58:15):
It's the biggest thing to me, Paul. It's like, you know,
and I don't want to tie this all together, but
it's that to me last week, as different as it
was to win, that's still the formula that we've watched
the last three seasons post Brady, get the lead, don't
turn it over. I mean, you know, it's just they
executed it flawlessly, and they deserve a lot of credit
for that. But everybody who watches this game long enough
knows that that's just really hard to do every week.

(01:58:37):
The other teams are too good. You're going to make mistakes,
you're going to have turnovers, You're going to have a
third and twelve that you have to convert to get
the win. And those are the kind of things that
have just hamstrung the Patriots since they haven't had those
elite talent level players. So want to see something new,
want to see a new way to win that will
be ideal to really make you feel like this team
is going to have something different this year rather than

(01:58:58):
just got to play perfectly, and if we do that,
we'll have a chance at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
Play from ahead, play with the lead. It really does
sound so simple in theory, but it isn't the easiest
thing to always pull off.

Speaker 5 (01:59:09):
Play from ahead, play with the lead. Bud Light the
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Speaker 8 (01:59:15):
Easy to get the lead, easy to run out the clock.

Speaker 5 (01:59:17):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
Well, In about seventeen minutes or so, the Patriots will
kick off their home opener against the Seattle Seahawks. Malcolm
Butler will be featured in the pregame ceremonies. Members from
the Super Bowl forty nine winning team will be featured
at halftime of today's game, a lot of good vibes,
a lot of things to look forward to, beautiful weather.
Tune in and watch the game. We'll be back later

(01:59:39):
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