Patriots Pregame Show 9/8: Bengals Preview, Inactives Analysis, Matchups to Watch and More

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Welcome to the Patriots Pregame Show fueled by Dunky's.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Good morning everybody. Welcome to week one inside your Lette
Stadium for our Patriots Pregame Show fueled by Duncan, Tamara Brown,
Mike Tousho, Paul Perlo and myself Matt Smith. I've seen
many a tweet this weekend. Well, we finally made it.
Like what are we supposed to have done? Like curled
up and not made it because we get the week one?
But I guess we finally made it.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
We did.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
We're here.

Speaker 8 (00:57):
It's week one, but it's been a crazy Are you
pumped injacked? I'm pumped injacked.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I am Matt.

Speaker 8 (01:03):
It's all new start, you know, and I'm excited just
to get the feel for this team for the first time,
and we watched all preseason and all that, But now
I feel like it's finally a chance to see the
rubber meet the road and see what this team has
and tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Don't you think that what we witnessed over the last
month or so, it's not what we see today is
not gonna resemble anything. Like We're actually gonna see scripted
plays and game planning and play action passes and things
like that. And I'm excited to see all that stuff today.

Speaker 9 (01:29):
Yeah, I'm tired of seeing them rep or walk through
things or just see what everyone can do. I'm actually
excited to see what the offense looks like. Ken Avp
call plays, Ken DeMarcus Covington call plays.

Speaker 7 (01:42):
Are these guys actually good?

Speaker 9 (01:44):
So I'm excited to actually look at this team and
see what they can put together in a series because
I feel like at practice we've seen a lot of
eleven on eleven work, but not full scripted plays down
the field.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Paul, I think when you look at the opponent today,
when the schedulers, at least back in May, I don't
know how many people. I think people looked at Cincinnati
as a potential AFC Conference Champion candidate Jamar Chase's ability
to play today certainly in question. I think he's probably
going to, but not a lot T Higgins or other
dynamic receiver. What does a lot of potential loss of

(02:19):
those two guys or at least limited those two guys,
does it open a window for the Patriots day in Cincinnati?

Speaker 10 (02:25):
I mean, you would think that it lowers the Bengals
offense and the production that they've had. You know, there's
a lot of unknown if you take those two guys out,
there's a lot of unknowns with the passing game for Cincinnati.
I think that's the biggest advantage they probably had on
paper coming in. So yeah, I definitely think it more
than likely keeps the game a little bit more manageable.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
From the Patriot's perspective. A lot of people have been
harping on the Bengals slow starts through the years. Don't
you think the Bengals have been harping on the Bengals
slow start for the last few years and they are
very aware of that.

Speaker 8 (02:59):
Mich I think that's the better point, Matt. I think
that's something for the coaching staff to actually point out
to their team. But I don't think that that trend,
you know, necessarily is going to carry over into this game.
I mean, the lack of you know, potentially Higgins and
Chase will be huge for the Patriots. I think that's
a much bigger piece of the puzzle than just assuming, well,
Joe Burrow is probably gonna stink today, because that's just
how it goes, you know. I think you're wishing for

(03:21):
something that that probably is going to happen.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I expect him to be sharp.

Speaker 8 (03:24):
I expect their defense to come out and play with
an edge, and the Patriots are gonna have to match
that energy.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Tamara, I know you have family in other parts of
Ohio today. What's the weather report in Cincinnati? And can
we hang our head on anything as far as the
conditions in Cincinnati today.

Speaker 7 (03:39):
It's giving fall, it's giving football.

Speaker 9 (03:41):
It's giving the combination of both sixty seven degrees, Sonny,
no chance of rain. If you're for t it's perfect.
It's perfect, right, if you're a football fan, is perfect.
You have no you have no one saying like, oh,
the conditions are bad. The ball is going to be
slipping all over the place. So there's really going to
be no excuse ball security or anything like that.

Speaker 7 (04:02):
It's dry, it's clean, it's sunny.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Paul Timor touched on this earlier. It's our first real
look at an Alex Van Pelt offense and how they
script the first fifteen plays, play action passed. Leaning on
the running game two tight ends, what are your expectations
when you think about what the Patriots want to try
to accomplish today offensively, I'm.

Speaker 10 (04:23):
Just gonna go off with what Jerdmeo said pretty much
every time he's talked about the offense. They want to
run the ball, and you know, we'll see how that
transpires because the offensive line has been in flux. I
think there's some health issues there. Obviously, we know City
So is already out. They elevated Michael Jordan off the
practice squad, so I would think you're going to see

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a combination of Jordan and Nick LeVert. I don't think
you elevate guys off the practice squad, Mike, if you
don't plan on playing them.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
So that's going to be a rotation.

Speaker 10 (04:53):
Mayo has talked about that they want to run the ball,
and they're gonna need a lot of bodies up front
to try to do it. I hate scripting play because
you know, all of a sudden, you lose eight yards
on first down, and what happens, you just stick with
your script or you know, you get sixty yards on
first down, you're just gonna stick with the script. So
and I know that teams don't really do it that way.
They have a lot of if thens, you know, like

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so if this happens that you know, these are our
first down plays, these are our second down plays, These
are our third and lungs, these are our third mediums.
That's where the script I think comes in. So I'm
you know, I'm being a little bit snarky intentionally. Yeah,
that's I gotta be me.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
I gotta be me.

Speaker 10 (05:33):
So yeah, you know what I'm interested in offensively, more
so than anything else, is how how if any of
the young guys fit in? You know, does Jalen Polk
have a huge role? Is to Mario Douglas, Like you know,
I've been one. I know other people have agreed, other
people have disagreed. I think he's going to be their
number one receiver. I think the leading receiver will be

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to Mario Douglas. Does that transpire today on the field?
So those are the kinds of things I'm looking at.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Can I throw one more name in that mixes? Is
Kayden Wallace? You know, is he going to get in rotationally?

Speaker 8 (06:04):
And we expect that Leyden Robinson's going to start at
right guard, but you know, does Kayd and Wallace get
some rotational STAPs at one of the tackle spots. I
think that would at least be a positive sign that, hey,
we want to keep this kid, get in game action,
developing him because I still think, you know, in a
perfect world, he'd take over maybe on that right side,
maybe allowing on when you back inside and maybe the
first chip to fall if Wallace is able to, you know,

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get into the lineup.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
So Mike, we know shows out set the stage for us.
Let us tell the fans what you think the line's
going to look like left to right when they start
the game.

Speaker 8 (06:34):
Yeah, well, based on practices, it's been chuuksakora four on
the left side, which is kind of where they started
this summer. They've gone back to it after he went
to the right side. As Paul pointed out, Michael Jordan
and Nick Levett probably rotating in at left guard. Both
guys are experienced NFL players, so not you know, rookies
filling on the left side. David Andrews, of course, the
stalwart in the middle, really important player. Today had heard

(06:55):
his new podcast with Brian Hoyer talking about just the
experience he has with Jacoby Brisset.

Speaker 11 (07:00):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (07:00):
They both played in the old Patriots system and now
they're having, you know, a new system installed so they
can kind of relate things back to what it was.
So I just think, you know, we talked about the
struggles at center to find depth all summer. If David
Andrews stays healthy, that doesn't matter. He's going to be
able to lock that down.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Right guard.

Speaker 8 (07:17):
We're assuming gonna be rookie Layton Robinson who came on
a little bit towards the end of the camp and
you know, partly due to injuries to Sew but still
positive development rookie getting in there. And last but not least,
good old Michael. And when you want on the right
side at right tackle.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Do you think any chance for Vederian Low?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I'd love to.

Speaker 8 (07:33):
I mean, and I think even if Vadarian then he's
you know, questionable, but heard is oblique there at the
end of training camp. Haven't seen much of him. He's
been ramping up his activity in practice. So I think
a good sign would just be at least if he's
able to rotate in on that left side with the
corps of four, so maybe you do get you know,
four tackles.

Speaker 10 (07:50):
I'd feel a lot better if he was starting and
they were rotating that way. Me too, because I think
that's what you saw from them. And I mean, Tomara,
you talked about this when we were in training camp
of early on. Man, it'd be great if they could
just settle on a five. And they kind of settled
on a five, but you didn't really see the progression
getting better. It was, you know, still ups and downs,
and then guys started getting hurt and they had to
switch things around again. So you know, if they're able

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to get him back out there and get things in
the you know, get him in the mix, and you know,
start to maybe get back to what they were trying.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
To build towards this summer before those injuries.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Okay, why don't we hit the keys to the game
to kick things off.

Speaker 7 (08:25):
You've waited all week for it.

Speaker 8 (08:27):
The whole teams in the locker room right now, just
listening to this, waiting to hear what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Here are the Patriots pregame socials keys to the game.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Okay, Tamara, you're in the leadoff spot.

Speaker 9 (08:39):
Go well, you guys set the table for my key
to the game, which is be offense. I need the
offensive line to be offense, protect Jacoby Brissette, and set
this offense up for success. It all starts with them.
We saw what happened in that third preseason game where
Jacoby Brissett almost got hurt, and so I think that
today they have to be a fense.

Speaker 7 (08:55):
They have to protect him.

Speaker 9 (08:56):
They have to be able to create those gaps for
the running game to get going, because this offense is
going to lean heavily on that, or at least I
think that they will, especially with Avp and Bersett success
that they had when they were at the Browns against
the Bengals with Nick Chubb at two touchdowns and one
hundred and one yards on the ground. I hope that's
Rmandre Stevenson today. So it all starts with the offensive line,
and it could end with them if they do not

(09:17):
play well.

Speaker 8 (09:17):
Douce Chef, I mean, biggest question of the of the
whole summer, I would say it's the offensive line, and
I would just say watching you know, these first two games,
that it's never perfect. I feel like early on, even
these teams that have you know, really well respected offensive lines,
you still have moments of breakdowns and you just need
to be careful. But no question if they are able
to come out and have a strong performance.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
I'm with Tamara.

Speaker 7 (09:38):
Wait one more nugget too.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
On the offensive line.

Speaker 9 (09:40):
It really scared me watching that opening NFL game seeing
how many illegal formations were called against the Ravens. I
was like, I really hope that's not the Patriots. So
I know that Jrod Mao said they were working on
it this week, But back to my point, been, a
fence is a straight line.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
It's not jagged, it's not a rollercoaster. It's a straight line.

Speaker 9 (09:59):
So I'm I'm hoping there's not more than two illegal formations.

Speaker 8 (10:02):
Right and like a high tech, modern fence without gaps
and that people could sneak through.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
You got Johika.

Speaker 8 (10:08):
For me, mine just kind of simple, play clean, you know,
I just give yourself a chance to win.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
This is the start of the new era. We saw
a lot of mistakes, you know, in the.

Speaker 8 (10:15):
Last couple of years, self inflicted wounds that you know,
in inopportune times, things that you really didn't think would
happen in the under the old regime of you know,
this is a team that's not going to beat themselves.
They kind of got to a point where they were
beating themselves too much. So look, I'm not gonna ask
for a lot today. I just think the baseline, and
this is a hard thing the first game of the season,
we've seen it with these two games is you know,
just don't beat yourself. Don't have the you know, the

(10:37):
third down penalties that are gonna put you into third
and long. You've got to stay on schedule. If you
can get a couple of takeaways, great, I mean that
would be that would be a huge boost. But let's
just get a baseline of not killing ourselves with stupid mistakes.
Penalties are gonna happen, Let's just not do kind of
like what Tamara said, where error repeaters don't make the
same mistakes over and over again. And if you know,
if they come out they look well coached, they're you know,
playing hard and playing within the rules and not getting flagged,

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not having towns of mistakes, I think it'll be a
positive sign.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
A good start for the team regardless of the result.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
Polly, uh, just can I interrupt this for a quick
little nugget off off the twitter?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
She had a nugget, You got a nugget.

Speaker 10 (11:12):
Tyreek Hill arrested before the game for a driving violation
or something.

Speaker 7 (11:18):
You can't make this stuff up.

Speaker 10 (11:19):
Dolphins is according to Adam Schefter, so blue check mark
Adam Schefter. I'm not getting fooled by a fake account, Adam.
Dolphins wide receiver Tyreek Hill was detained by police today
entering the stadium for a driving violation, per his agent
Drew Rosenhouse. But Rosenhouse said Hill will play.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
So it's like it's like the golf gut, what are
we doing? It's like what's his face?

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Like you couldn't find him anywhere else? You had to
rest him before or detain him.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Sorry, what was he trying to drive?

Speaker 9 (11:42):
It?

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Before the game?

Speaker 9 (11:43):
And there's video like he's literally on the sidewalk like
out of his car, Like it's a crazy thing.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
What what did so? Wait, did they arrest him for
like a driving violation?

Speaker 5 (11:53):
It says for a driving violation. I could only go off.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Doesn't it have to be speeding?

Speaker 8 (11:57):
I don't know, or he was or he was doing
a Scottie shifter, trying to go and see what he did,
then trying to go in the back.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
It was like for child support or something like that.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
That's funny.

Speaker 10 (12:07):
So anyway we'll go back, We'll get back to the
keys of the game. I agree with both Tamara and Mike.
I think those things are important. In mind, I think
is a little bit less vital now that t Higgins
is out well doubtful assumed, and I knew Jamar Chase
wasn't going to be a big part of this game
because of you know, he hasn't done anything. If he
if he is a big part of this game, I

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think it's one of the more remarkable performances by a
guy who's done nothing all summer.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
But I think they have to get after Joe Borrow.

Speaker 10 (12:35):
If you want to sit back and hope that he
makes mistakes, I just don't think that's going to happen.
I think they need to be aggressive upfront, and they
need to especially now with those two receivers out. You
should be able to handle the Trenton Irwins and the
Andre Yoshivas yoshivass of the world. Forget min Yeah, him too.
I think he could be an important guy today Bengals.

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And he is a good receiver. I mean, contrary to
what he did last year of his career, he's been
a productive receiver. So I think that they need to
get after Joe Burrow heat him up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think they're going to too.

Speaker 8 (13:07):
I mean, I just I think that's what we're seeing
from DeMarcus Covington, and I think he's going to be
a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
I think I think aggressive in a way at times
that they're probably gonna get burned on it a couple
of times. But I think the strength of this team
right now for me, on the defense is the secondary
and the cornerbacks and you know, the safety group.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
They've got to be able.

Speaker 8 (13:25):
To hold up a little bit because I don't think
that this team's gonna be able to just get by
rushing for They're gonna have to scheme it up. They're
gonna have to send guys a lot, and you know,
we all know, guy like Joe Burrow very smart, gonna
be able to tell where that pressure might be coming from.
So fake pressure, guys walking up, dropping back in. I
think We're gonna see a lot of that today from
DeMarcus Covington.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
When you mentioned Covington, do you think they target the
left tackle for the.

Speaker 8 (13:47):
Bengals, I mean, I think, I mean I'd say yes,
but I don't think they have a lot to target
him with, you know, I mean specifically at least as
far as.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Or move that pressure maybe in that direction, I guess
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
Yeah, I mean, you know Ouch's question. He's got a
foot injury. We'll see if he's able to go. Oshane
Zimmenez came off the injury report this week, but he
is really the only guy left that's a legitimate edge rusher.
So how are they going to attack those tackles. It's
gonna have to be through scheme overloading certain sides. Trent
Brown over on the right side, but guys to guys

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with big size in Orlando Brown and and Trent Brown
so ooja not the biggest guy. So interesting on I
think key on White up the middle, I think is
is the place that they need to go try to
exploit that and make that a part of their their
defense this year.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
So just to round out the keys to the game,
I think my key is. I think the Patriots are
gonna need some help today to win this game. I
think they're gonna need the Bengals are gonna have to
be co conspirators, and to do that, I think they're
gonna need to turn the ball over. I think the
Patriots need to create some turnovers if they're going to
win this game today. Our good friend Mike Reese always
likes to use the phrase bonus points. You know, can

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they score on defense, Could they get a you know,
flip the field with a turnover on special teams or
something like that. I think those are the kinds of
things we're going to need to see from them today
that will keep things at a more level base.

Speaker 8 (15:10):
I think it was one of the biggest differences between
the twenty twenty two defense and the twenty twenty three defense.
So quest last year didn't really get those turnovers. In
twenty twenty two, they scored a bunch of touchdowns on defense,
and you know, we're able to kind of be in
the playoff mix there for a while. Last year not
so much. So it's just, you know, can they get
back to those turnover forcing ways.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
But I feel like it all starts up front.

Speaker 9 (15:29):
Their ability to get pressure on the quarterback is going
to force those mistakes so that the secondary can capitalize
on them. So I feel like not having Judon last
year to help pressure the quarterback, and obviously he's not
here this year because he's in Atlanta. In Atlanta, no
Christian Barmore. I'm really concerned with their ability to get
pressure on the quarterback to force those mistakes, especially.

Speaker 8 (15:47):
Joe Burrow, who you know, is as good as anybody.
I mean, the coach has talked about it this week. He's,
you know, becoming a veteran. Now he's seen a lot,
and you can see that experience paying off for him.
You know, I don't know if you're going to be
able to get picks, to Tamara's point by just having
great coverage, it's got to come from disruption up front.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
You've got to confuse him a little bit. As hard
as it is to me.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
I watched eighteen minutes of Joe Burrow the other day
in his weekly media briefing, and he exudes confidence. You know,
here's a kid who's had injury problems coming out of camp.
Maybe that's helped contribute to some of their slow starts
over the last couple of years. Obviously missed a tremendous
portion of last year with the injury. He appears to
be somebody who's got is on a mission, you know,

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looks like somebody who's determined. He's the unquestioned leader of
that team, and I think he realized that it's all
business starting today, and I think he wants to make
a statement. That's what it looked like to me.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, tough run for the Bengals right now.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
You know.

Speaker 8 (16:39):
It's like, I mean, they got to you know, the
super Bowl, and it felt like they were on the rise,
and it's just really been injuries that have derailed that,
you know, coming up of this team that they I
think aspire to. And I can imagine that Joe Burrow
is frustrated. He's you know, he's been hurt, His guys
are been hurt. You know, it just it can't all
seem to click back into place where you got all
the right pieces in place, and you know you're building

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back off of that momentum that they had going to
that super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
So we'll see. I no question a ton of respect
for Joe Burrow.

Speaker 8 (17:06):
I think he's you know, an outstanding on player, but
he's got to turn on a full, healthy season, and
it's certainly not going to be an easy start here
without his top two guys.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
Probably, I don't know if this is a rookie mistake
or not. Paul, were approximately seventeen minutes into the show,
and I don't think we've really asked anybody about the
Patriots starting quarterback, and that's Jacoby Brissett. How do you see?
What are your What do you think is going through
Jacoby's mind now? Is he's the starter, He's the guy
that hasn't happened a lot in his career. What do

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you think his mindset is is he's heading into week one?

Speaker 5 (17:36):
I'm sure he's excited.

Speaker 10 (17:37):
You know, he hasn't really had this opportunity, just like
you said, I mean, when he's been the starter heading
into a season, it was because of, you know, something
happening that was unforeseen, you know, like the Andrew the
year Andrew Luck retired.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
I think he ended up being a starter.

Speaker 10 (17:51):
Like That's not how the whole plan was supposed to go.
So I'm sure he's excited about it. I think there's
got to be some trepidation with the offense, just how
poorly it performed all summer. I don't know how they
can go into this game with a tremendous amount of
confidence based on how they played. But for him personally,
I'm sure it's a it's an exciting day and he's

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probably you know, feeling that pressure of you know, as
long as I play well, I want to make this
a hard decision for as to when that they they
make the switch.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
So it did. It didn't look good in the preseason.
Oftentimes it was a you know, the personnel in and out,
no real consistency or anything like that. How is he
gonna how does he use that veteran leadership and that
calming influence to say, all right, now he's got a group,
these are the people who are going to start this
week the games count. How does he calm that group
down to get the best out of them?

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Bluff?

Speaker 10 (18:43):
I mean, I just think they'd have to play better.
It probably starts upfront. I think, you know, Tamara's key about,
you know, just being better upfront and being sounder, both
both Mike and Tamara. There have just been so many
mistakes and they haven't really cleaned them up at all
during the course of the summer.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
So I think that's part of Jacoby.

Speaker 10 (19:01):
You know what you're looking for for leadership for a
guy entering his ninth season who's been through some of
these things. You know, both as a starter and as
a backup, you got to clean clean everything up. You've
got to do the whole cliche of not beating yourself.
You know, you can't win until you learn how to
not lose. Because right now the Patriots offenses is losing.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
They're not getting beaten. They're losing because.

Speaker 10 (19:23):
They can't line up properly, because they can't hold the
snap count, because they're missing blocking assignments, because they're not
running the ball effectively, like just one mistake after another,
and most of them are mental. So that's I think
where you think maybe Brissette could could help them. You know,
let's just settle down, do you know, know your know
your assignments, and just play your role.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Like fair to expect that after a sloppy preseason where
they had a lot of those repeat offenses that it
can be cleaned up after practice and attention to detail
and knowing who the group is going to be going
into week one.

Speaker 8 (19:57):
Yeah, I mean that, And that goes back to my key,
play clean and I think, you know, everything Paul said
was you know accurate. I would just I would compare it,
not only you know, I would compare it to the
bigger team. And this is a full restart, and I
think they need positive plays just like every win that
this team might be able to squeak out this year
is going to be worth so much to re establishing
who the Patriots are, the confidence not only in the quarterback,

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but in you know, jirob Mayo and the team itself.
So I'd even go to that micro level of Jacoby
Brissett by going out and orchestrating a really good first
drive and make taking the team down. Like all of
those positive plays, I feel like are little elements to
build off of. You're you're at a complete restart right now,
new coaching staff, new offense, so many new pieces that
every little bit of positivity that this team is able to,

(20:42):
you know, get this year, whether it's individual plays or
getting actual wins, so so important things to build off of.
So hopefully he's able to start stacking some of those early,
and you feel some momentum starting to build.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
So trying to stack them early. There's an element of
surprise here at play do you think that Alex van
Pelt has some trickeration in his back pocket to maybe
build off of if they if they start moving the
sticks and things like that, to try to take advantage
for the unexpected.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I wouldn't say so. I don't know.

Speaker 12 (21:09):
I'm not.

Speaker 8 (21:09):
I'm not, And maybe we didn't really see a lot
of that kind of stuff this summer anyway, But I
feel like we have a new offense.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (21:16):
I mean, I the vibe I get is that they
want to do what they do and it's not.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Do we know what they get yet?

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I think so? I think so.

Speaker 8 (21:24):
I mean, I think you know, you're gonna get wide zone,
you're gonna get play action, you're gonna get bootlegs, you're
gonna get shots down the field. You're gonna get a
bunch of screens. I mean, i'd say those four elements
right there, I guarantee will be you know, part of
that first drive.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
They said they want to screen a lot. They said
they want to run the ball a lot.

Speaker 8 (21:40):
So I think, you know, I think that they should
be more focused on getting their system and their base
plays out of the way before they start trying to
get cute and say all right, let's try this and
that I'd be surprised today if we see any major
you know, trickeration trying to take advantage of it.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Fanji rap Sorry, uh.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
I guess what I'm trying to say is Tamara, they
are of the underdogs decidedly going into this game. If
there's an opportunity to and it's week one and everybody
who's in the league talks about the unexpected in Week one,
is there an opportunity to do something unexpected that would
take the Bengals by surprise.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
I wouldn't hate it.

Speaker 9 (22:14):
If you want to put Marcus Jones out there on
offense and run a trick play, by all means, go
for it, especially if you're struggling with your offensive line
to get these plays that you do have planned your identity.
You can't get that going, Why not pull a trick
out of your hat and put Marcus Jones or whoever
out there.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
So I love the idea of Marcus Jones in offense.

Speaker 10 (22:32):
Yeah, I mean too, even if it's just what Mike said,
not a trick play, just a screen. Sure, I'd rather
have the screen to him then not so good idea?
Any other option I'd like to be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Like that, and on a team that's devoid of not
a tremendous amount of playmakers, this kid's one of the
few that can really be special when he's got the
ball in his hands. Makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
I just say, my only question is he's been hurt
a lot. Yep, do you want to how much? How
much do you need him as your only kind of slot?

Speaker 8 (22:59):
And we've talked about too with cornerback depth, like after
I mean, you really feel good about Gonzales and Jones
and then Marcus Jones, I think so. I think you know,
we're gonna give him a shot in the slot. We'll
see how it goes, but you know, after that, it's
a big drop off. And I I mean, I even
wonder if Marcellus Dial is going to get some time
today just because he's they had kind of had him
in the slot. I don't know if Alex Austin or
Marco Wilson are really slot guys. We'll see who comes
out in the inactives, but uh, you know, they there's

(23:21):
not a lot of answers on in the defensive depth
that you feel great about right now. It's a lot
of unproven guys that are probably gonna get thrust into
two minor roles today.

Speaker 10 (23:29):
My guests there though, would be Jonathan Jones going into
the slot and one of those Wilson or.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yea or Austin going outside the bound Yes, yes, then
as opposed to the fields corner, correct, correct, don't.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Don't listen, don't don't that's a bunch.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Of word salad. I don't. I don't need any of that. Paul,
Mike's we do here, Matt.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Paul talked about or Mike talked about, you know, the
offensive line and trying to have a clean game, talk
about if you would, I think defensively for the Bengals,
one of their strengths is your ability on the edge
to get pressure. Yeah, from those guys Hubbard and Hendrick Hendrickson, right, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (24:06):
Hendrickson's you know, a big, big volume I think with
seventeen seven and a half sacks last year. So yeah,
that's that's a going concern, and I think if you
can give you know, you know, I'm a little more
concerned about the interior just because of the fluctuating you know,
you got a rookie on the right side, you got
probably a rotation on the left side at guard. So

(24:27):
I think in training camp and heading into training camp,
I think people thought, well, so Andrew's and WHENU that's
that's rock solid. In the middle, I'm not really sure
I agree with it, but Andrew's absolutely rock solid.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
And when you at guard rock solid. The rest I
think are question marks.

Speaker 10 (24:43):
That's where you need to allow Jacoby Brissett to escape
because if there's going to be edge pressure, you need
to be able to get you know, move up into
the pocket. And I thought, you know, the the rare
times with the offense looked like it was productive in
the summer. I think was Drake May doing that, you know,
shuffling around in the pocket, get moving forward with his
eyes downfield. If Brissett can do some of that, I

(25:04):
think they can have some success. I think that, you know,
some people were a little critical of Jacobe holding the
ball a little bit in the preseason, and I think
there's some validity to that.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
So we'll see if there's an adjustment today.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Ten years into the NFL, have the Patriots ever needed
more of David Andrews than they do this year? From
a solidifying keep him upright and take care of the
two guys at an extro mic.

Speaker 8 (25:25):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's I mean, he's he's you're
relying on him. You could see it this summer with
how they protected him, and you know, anytime as we
got down toward the end of the summer, it was,
you know, a couple of reps andrews, all right, let's
and part of that is that they really need.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
To find some center depth. Yeah, that's been a struggle.

Speaker 8 (25:42):
You know, we saw the Eagles struggling with their snaps
the other night. That was you know, they were able
to overcome that. But he's captain, he's you know, one
of the most established leaders on this team. So no questions,
he's a big piece of today. And and you know,
hopefully they can get that run game going. I think
that's just a big key. If they're able to have
some success on the ground early. I think it's really
going to inspire confidence in them and open up the
rest of their offense.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
The playing in Cincinnati, I mean, it's not Denver, it's
not in Kansas City, the John Pittsburgh. It's the Jungle
and maybe a little nouvau reach with the Bengals. Fans
is there have enjoyed some success, but I don't know
if it's a daunting place to go into tomorrow. Would
you agree or disagree with that?

Speaker 9 (26:20):
I would agree, But I feel like it's also week one.
Burrow is healthy and playing week one.

Speaker 7 (26:24):
There might be.

Speaker 9 (26:25):
A revitalized energy in the stadium just because everyone thinks
it's NFL Christmas morning right now, and your quarterback's healthy.
So I could see it potentially being a little bit
louder than usual.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
How do they handle that? Are they equipped to handle that? Paul?

Speaker 10 (26:41):
Yeah, I mean I don't think. Yeah, I think you're right.
You know, there are a couple of you know, Seattle
would be another one. You know, there are a couple
of places. I think you have to do something special
indoors obviously, don't.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
I don't think you have anything you have to really
worry about here out of the ordinary.

Speaker 10 (26:54):
You got to have you know, your communication, you need
to be sound. And again this all goes to the
same stuff that we've been talking about. They need to
be better before players are even taking place. Then they
have been so far, and that's part of it. You know,
your communication on the road and you know in a
hostile environment, that's part of it. You know, you've got
to be on the saye, you can't have the delay
of games, you can't have the personnel problems where you're not,

(27:17):
you know, have the right personnel on the field, not
enough personnel on the field at times. Too many that
kind of stuff needs to be you know, a lot
of guys on the first time really doing what they're
doing today for the Patriots and the Patriots coach Gerrod
Mao and you know, of course with Covington van Pelt,

(27:38):
you know guys that really haven't really been through this
kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
You know it's gonna it's gonna be a test.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
I tell you what. Covington exudes confidence, doesn't he. After
listening to him the other day, he seems like he's.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Read a little too much for my liking to be honest.

Speaker 10 (27:50):
Okay, Well, I told Mike afterwards, I was like, I
might would have ton that one down a little bit.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
He seems ready, yeah, and eager for the.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Challenge he does.

Speaker 9 (27:59):
I thought it was interest and that he said he,
you know, would sit and watch games at home and
pretend to call the game as he's sitting.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
There watching it.

Speaker 9 (28:05):
I would have never thought to do that to get practice,
as you know, a defensive coordinator, So I thought that
was interesting. And just even trying it at practice, just
pretending to script things as things happen at practice, I
thought was interesting too. So we'll see how it translates
onto the field. But I thought it was cool to
kind of get some insight on how he's preparing for
week one.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Mike, we're about seventeen minutes till the inactives come out.
Who were you keeping your eye on that you think
are important decisions whether they go or not to go
for the Patriots today.

Speaker 8 (28:35):
Well, of course, to real peppers, I knew he was
going to say that got to start with him when
my guy popped up yesterday.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
It's unfortunate.

Speaker 8 (28:41):
I did see, you know, some reports he went through
an early workout and with smiles at the end of it.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Takes nap.

Speaker 8 (28:46):
Take from that what you will. I think he's definitely important.
You know, he just needs a tone setter. But I'm
gonna guess he's gonna play. I think oohf though, to
me is is one of the more interesting pieces just
because of the lack of overall pass rush on the team.
And you know, I I think Zimenez was pretty active.
I would say Paul this summer. You know, I just
we always talked about he was just one of those
guys going one hundred and ten percent. Yeah, all through

(29:09):
train to camp, which you know is fine and you
like to see that out of a guy. But is
that gonna translate now when you got to get around
Trent Brown? You know, we'll see how he does. I
just I've said it a lot. I just my concern
for the pass rush off the edge and the thought
of you know, Joe Burrow just kind of sitting back
there being like, I'm just gonna wait till this Yoshivas
guy gets open and you know, finally he breaks away

(29:29):
from you know, Jonathan Jones or whatever downfield, and that
that's my nightmare scenario today, is that just Joe Burrow
has way too much time in the pocket and it
even with the scheming that we anticipate DeMarcus Covington's gonna
do that, it won't be able to consistently get the
pressure there. Maybe on third down, but I just look
at first and second down as times for the Bengals
to throw the ball and to take advantage of the
Patriots when they're in their heavy set. They don't have

(29:49):
key On White coming as an interior rusher. You've got
Godshaw and Aquala, who you know are gonna probably two
gap initially. So those early down passing plays I think
are the biggest concerns to me.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Long time Angle followers will note that there's no longer
Joe Mixon in the backfield who has been a staple
for them in a really good football player for him,
a little bit of an unknown with Zach Moss, veteran
guy everything like that. I mean, I'll be gonna speak
to your point that nobody cares about the running game.

Speaker 10 (30:15):
Any No, well, not that blatantly, but yeah, kind of.
But I I'm a little more concerned about Chase Brown.
I think the reason why they wanted to move on
from Mixing is they felt like he had sort of
slowed down. Now he's a really good back, and I
know that Bill used to lay it on a little
bit when when Belichick was was he called Joe Mixon
the best back in football.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
I remember a couple of years ago.

Speaker 10 (30:38):
I don't ever, I don't believe he was ever even
in that conversation as being the best back in football.
But that doesn't mean he's not really really good He's
a thousand yard Russia, a very accomplished receiver, so they'll
miss a lot. They felt like they lacked explosiveness with
with mixing, and they think they get some of that.
And I think that where they're going to get it,
if they are, is Chase Brown. Not as much with
Zach Moss. So there's a guy that I think, you know,

(31:01):
if they could get him in space, might be able
to make a player or two, you know, but largely unproven.
You know, they haven't. They haven't done it because mixing
has been there belcow for you know, the entirety of
the Burrow era anyway.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
So what better way, sorry to me about, what better
way to maybe introduce our next segment as we go
behind enemy lines?

Speaker 5 (31:21):
You know the view from New England, but what about
the view from the other side? And that's why you're
our favorite pregame show guests. Yeah, every year here and.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
No you tell everybody that I was on with you
guys at twenty eighteen Thursday Night Football.

Speaker 13 (31:34):
Yeah, and I was quoted out with the favorite game
for the show.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
No time now to go behind enemy lines?

Speaker 4 (31:40):
My god, it's got a ride more and joining us
now from Cincinnati is a longtime Bengal reporter, Jeff Hobson. Jeff,
thanks for joining us this morning. Uh yeah, oh, I'm.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Sorry to get him off the phone line.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
There's another rookie mistake. Hold On, let me see if
I can do that? Is up? Yeah, I know, hold on,
he's up, Matt, Oh he is okay. Uh, good morning, Jeff.
Thanks for joining us. How are things looking today in Cincinnati?
Give us a little scene center, if you would, please, sir,
and thanks for joining us.

Speaker 13 (32:12):
Sounds like nothing. It sounds like best of has change
with New England.

Speaker 10 (32:16):
Bell.

Speaker 13 (32:16):
I just uh, that sounds like I'm trying to get
food to everybody in framing him. I'm good. What's going
on there? What's this thing about the running game? I
thought the Patriots are coming in here with this running
a game against the Bengals defense that didn't stop it
very well last year. So we care about the running
game today because that's what they feel like they got
to start. They gotta go out there and stop at

(32:37):
the defense has a lot to prove. So they've been
talking a lot about the Patriots running game.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Jeff, just right off the top.

Speaker 8 (32:46):
I mean we've all heard that, you know, Jamar Chase
we know what's been going on with him, A couple
of practices all of a sudden, T Higgins pops up,
He's doubtful. What do you kind of anticipate it's going
to happen today with the Bengals receiving corps.

Speaker 13 (32:57):
That's a good question.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
Uh this.

Speaker 13 (32:59):
I know they feel like this is the deepest and
most versatile offense they've had under Joe Burrow. And I
guess we'll find out right away, won't we.

Speaker 14 (33:07):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (33:08):
You guys talked about it the fact by committee, uh,
Zach Most and Chase Brown, And I think that's a
product more of the system and a than anything else.
His mix is a really good player. But I think
Mott and Brown fit the shotgun style, the kind of
style they've been playing with under Burrow. I think they're

(33:28):
probably better pass protectors. I think they're probably better pass catchers.
H And I guess we'll find out today, pending the
receiver situation. But I know, you know, I know Kiseki
was you know, in there for a year last year
and his back out, But these guys like Kteci, he's reversal.
They feel like he can give Borrow another weapon outside

(33:51):
inside Uh. Burrow has never had a tight end like
that that's got three fifty catch seasons. So I guess
we'll find out. You know, we're looking at the you know,
receiver room is like you know, they'll be uh, they'll
be using a lot of facts and uh and uh
tight ends today.

Speaker 9 (34:09):
We think this game is going to be a big one,
especially in the trenches. What's your confidence in the Bengals
offensive line, especially especially with Trent Brown the new addition
at left tackle.

Speaker 13 (34:19):
Well, we think Trent Brown's pretty good. Okay, this is
a different starting tackle under Burrow. And ever since Aaron
Donald flew Bow to the turf and the Super Bowl,
all they've done is spending money in drafts on the
offensive line. And I think what they've got right now
is the best line they've had, you know since the
Ambrew Woodwood days when they were you know, winning the

(34:40):
division and going to the playoffs seven years in a row,
six five years in a row. And that's I think
they feel like this line is the best they've had,
certainly under Burrow. So I think that that they feel
like they're in a good place there. It's all these
guys have played together except for French but you know
he's playing in this hundred and first NFL game. Uh,

(35:04):
you know, he's he's proven. I mean, I know, you
guys get your opinion about him, but the numbers say
he's probably the best pass protective Borrows had on that
side of him. So I think they and and they're
grooming a guy in prince of something then groom a
guy that probably won't play today in the fact that
it's out today, but the first round or Amarius Men's

(35:24):
So I think they feel like Brown is eventually that
that's that's going to be a pretty good transition there
at some point. But it works out today Mens is heart.
So they got the veteran hopping in there, which is
you know, which is going to.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Be big Jeff one guy you didn't mention. Uh, he's
anchoring that line for you and has really grown as
a player Patriot fans are quite familiar with, and that's
ted Karris. You know how important is he did the
success of that line?

Speaker 13 (35:47):
No, he's huge. I remember talking to Kaneka when we
get tariffs and he said, the big thing about Teddy
is he will keep the integrity of the pocket. And
that's exactly what he's done here. When we get Teddy
doing no integraty of pocket. It was I just mentioned
that Donald's back in the Super Bowl. They needed to
shore up the middle. Said he was a huge was

(36:08):
a huge part of that. You guys know that he's
smart guy, uh, solid, and it's the integrity of the pocket.
He's got it. Plus he's been a tremendous guy in Cincinnati.
He could be the mayor of Cincinnati tomorrow. And he's uh,
you know, and he's and he's a captain again, he's
been he's been huge on and off the field.

Speaker 10 (36:24):
Jeff, you mentioned the the Bengals inability to stop the
run last year. You know on paper, you know, Sheldon
Rankins comes in up front. Uh, DJ reader out, where
do you see that situation for Cincinnati hasn't improved?

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Is it the same?

Speaker 10 (36:40):
Because that the U are correct, the Patriots will be
running the ball today.

Speaker 13 (36:44):
Well, you probably don't want to hear this name either.
Von Bell. He's the only reason that Bengals won that
Christmas Eve game two years ago when he got Stevens
in the fumble inside the five. And he's back, and
that's huge because the entire defense is better because of him.
Now up front there their sin. Okay, Chris Jenkins is out.
He's their rookie second rounder. They thought he was gonna

(37:05):
you know, he's he's gonna be playing a lot not today,
so uh, that's uh. But you know they've they've got
through it. A better linebacker they get to a better
linebackers in the league, and Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt
and uh, you know, Hubbard and Edgar Hendrickson coming off
the edge as good as it gets. But will they
be able to stop? You know, Rankins is a proof guy,

(37:28):
you know, bej Hill's a proven guy. They're gonna have
to get. They're gonna have to get some reps now
from Zach Potter and uh and and Jake to Selly,
a guy that you know hasn't hasn't played much, so
they're gonna have to. Uh, they're gonna have to swing
up together. But they've been emphasizing it all off season,
and I think they feel like at least at least

(37:49):
they fake like they're tackling in their fits are gonna
be better.

Speaker 8 (37:52):
Jeff, just one more from you. Got to ask you
specifically about Joe Burrow. What have you seen from him
this summer? Aside from the new hairdo how has he
been playing and do you feel like there's any of
these other receivers Yoshiva is Charlie Jones that that he'll
be looking to to step up in the absence of
Higgins and perhaps a limited chase.

Speaker 13 (38:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think you got to look at
number eighty Yoshi Andre Yoshis from Princeton, who's a very
good camp huge camp runs a four to three. He's
a guy to watch today. I think the Seci the
tight end. I mean, you know, Tanner Hudson another tight end.
These are guys that Borrow has a good connection with.

(38:30):
I think you know Borrow has looked I mean this
is this is unshotted territory. As he was telling me
last week. You know, he's never gone through an entire
training camp. He never played in a preseason game where
he had a whole drive. He did that, you know,
it seems like about eight years ago now, but he
did that in the preseason opener. One drive has scored
a touchdown. He's never done that before, either because of
COVID or a rehab, or an injury or an appendectomy,

(38:53):
you name it. So he's had none of that He's
got all these reps under his belt, so I would
say that this is the best we're going to see
him in September than he's ever played, just because of
the reps.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Great stuff there, Jeff. Thank you so much for your
expertise and analysis. Happy week one. Thanks for joining us, Jeff.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
Before we let you go, can you give us a
quick prediction today?

Speaker 13 (39:15):
I got it's always tight when you come in with
the Pats. I don't want to inflame my great spoke Morais.
He's the coach, the Hall of Fame coach. I don't
want to win those. It's a big patd fans there.
But I would say Barrow's got all these reps. Gerrod Mayo,
who I think is going to be a very good
coach in this league. He's making his debut. He's going

(39:35):
against the staffs that's get six years in. So I
think it's a grinder because I think Mayo Mao's team.
I think right away they'll show they'll play, suffer and
won't go away. Jacobe Brissett won't go away. So I'm
going to say twenty seven to twenty Bengals.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Okay, all right, great Jeff, Thank you very much, enjoy
the game.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Thanks guy, Thanks Jeff.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Little breaking news here, Dak Prescott is now the highest
paid player in NFL history with a four year, two
hundred and forty million dollar extension, per Adam Schefter.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
I don't know what you're going to do with.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
The cap deadlines, spur actions. Huh wow.

Speaker 8 (40:09):
Do you think they wait for this particular moment though,
to announce it like the morning they know all the shows,
everyone's up and excited and this is.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Now Jerry ritten on the crown jewel of the discussion.

Speaker 10 (40:18):
Yeah, it's dumb because they cost themselves a lot of
money with Ceedee Lamb and now Dak Prescott, and they
will cost themselves more money when they eventually do Mike
ca Parsons too, because if you do it when everybody
else does it, you can save money if you want
to wait, as they say, yesterday's price is no longer
today's price.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
I want to get back to one thing that Jeff
Hobson was talking about. We mentioned it briefly here, but
why do I get the feeling Tamara that Mike Gisecki
who came here with high hopes last year and this
guy was going to be an integral part of the
offense and he wasn't and he's going to help move
the chains for Cincinnati today. I just there's a gnawing
feeling inside of me that I that I think we're

(40:58):
going to see that today.

Speaker 15 (40:59):
Now.

Speaker 9 (40:59):
I don't think it's going to be like a Saquon
Barkley situation where he comes out.

Speaker 7 (41:02):
With a hat trick for the Eagles.

Speaker 9 (41:05):
But I do think Joseki is going to have a
great game today. He wasn't able to be used properly
with the Patriots last season, but this year, especially with
those two guys limited, I think it's gonna be big,
big day for him.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, Mike, do you see him being especially with the
status of Chase and Higgins, he seems to me to
be I could see him being Burrows go to guy
as far as targets today.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yeah, I mean, I'd like to take him away. I mean,
I don't think he's that good. I mean, and if
you have these.

Speaker 8 (41:30):
Safeties, taking him away the safety group, I mean, that's
who has to do it.

Speaker 10 (41:33):
I don't like that matchup to your point. I hear,
I hear the trepidation in your faith in your voice.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Yeah, because I don't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
You guys are scared of Mike Koseki.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
No, no, I don't.

Speaker 10 (41:41):
I don't think they have anybody that covers in safeties,
that's right, I think they have. I think they have
a lot of safeties that will knock you to tomorrow
rock well, but I don't think they have.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
A lot of cover safeties.

Speaker 8 (41:51):
Well, Chipidle Breakfast was pretty good in covers last year
according to according to PFF. But right, you know, so
I don't know. I mean, look, you're gonna make these
guys the center of your of your defense.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
I expect that they should cover him. I don't really
I don't knock that confidence in their coverage.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
But I just don't think MIKEASICKI I agree with that
part of what Mike is saying.

Speaker 10 (42:08):
Kasiki has always been a bullet plan for you. He's
always been a good player. He's never been an impact
player in my opinion.

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Speaker 8 (46:42):
Toay, just real quick match, just to let you know.
The Bengalis have let their inactives out. T Higgins is
an active, Jamar Chase is active.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Okay, And give me the little nugget on Jamar Chase.
What NFL at what NFL network is saying as far
as snaps for Jamar.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, it's not, I mean limited, So I don't know.

Speaker 8 (46:58):
I speculated him in that Kim popped up with an
illness yesterday too, on top of everything, So three days
of practice for Jamar Chase.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
He's fighting some kind of illness, sick of his contract,
new money.

Speaker 8 (47:10):
But yeah, I would say third downs, gotta have it moments.
You know, you don't need to rush him out there
first second down, run the ball. So that's what I
would expect in it probably plays well into the Patriots
hands of you know, if they do want to stick
Christian Gonzales on him, that he's going to probably be
easy to find.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
He won't be out there every down.

Speaker 9 (47:26):
And you already have T Higgins that's dealing with a
hamstring injury. I feel like if you thrust Jamar Chase
out there and he plays too many reps, you could
end up with two wide receivers with really serious injuries.
So I think that you should just play it lately,
especially it's Week one against the Patriots team that even
their roster is still more stacked even without them.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Michael, I'll let you you're monitoring the Twitter machine, so
when the Patriots and actives hit Will Will, I will
raise a finger. Great, but go ahead.

Speaker 9 (47:51):
I wanted to go back to running backs because we're
talking about this earlier. I think Antonio Gibson that's gonna
be a good one to keep eye on those ACTI yes,
because I don't want Ramondre Stevenson. Even though Ramondre is great,
I don't want him to carry the load of this
entire offense that wants to run the ball. I know
they're still hasty, but I think when I look at it,
I look at Ramondre Stevenson, then Gibson, then Hasty in

(48:13):
my opinion, So if Ramondre Stevenson doesn't have to carry
this load completely by himself, that would be amazing.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
And I'm going to take a little umverage with what
you're saying there, and I don't want to see him.
It's not thirty carries, yes, but I think we're at
a point in time in Ramandre Stevenson's career. They paid
him in this offtseason. I think it's time for Ramandre
Stevenson to be the bell Weather back. Okay, I think
he for this team to be successful. It's twenty to
twenty five touches for Ramondre Stevenson. Yes, spell him, of course,

(48:41):
don't wear him out. But if this is your guy,
I want to see him be your guy.

Speaker 7 (48:46):
That's true.

Speaker 8 (48:47):
Yeah, I would say Hasty too. I think we'll be
in the mix, especially with the amount of screens that
they think they want to run. If Gibson he was
working out earlier, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Here in a second.

Speaker 8 (48:54):
If he goes, I think he's going to go, but
probably still a little bit limited that I think Hasty
could still be that kind of change of back, so
I don't fantasy.

Speaker 9 (49:04):
Wiggle his wiggle and speed like he can just like
especially I saw when the offensive line was struggling, he
was still able to slide through and make some play.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
So small, shifty, a little bit of a change up.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
So yeah, I mean and uh. Gerard Mayo on All
Access this week was talking about the rooms that he
liked on his team, and of course he mentioned the
secondary and specifically the safeties, but he was also very
quick to mention the running back room, which I don't
know that people that that would pop up and say, oh,
what room do you like? He likes the running backs,
and I think he likes all three of those guys,

(49:36):
which I think is interesting.

Speaker 9 (49:37):
Yeah, it is, especially because those guys really won't say
much like Ramondre talks, but he's very like quiet and reserved,
not so much like the secondaries who are very Wow
they have personality, right Okay.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Web Radio at patrios Dot comments are email Nathan and
Tampa here wants to know the season isn't about wins.
I just want to see some development from any of
the younger players. I think Polk is a gamer and
will show up more thoughts on what you'd want to
see from the rookies.

Speaker 8 (50:05):
From the rookies specific, I mean, Polk continue doing what
he's been doing all camp, which is just being consistent,
getting out there, catching most of the balls that are
throwing his way, strong hands. I don't even think we
saw some of what I saw out of him in
Washington which made him so exciting, which is the acrobatic
downfield catches. He actually missed a couple of those opportunities
in training camp that I was a little surprised about.
But he's that kind of guy that's willing to lay

(50:26):
out for the past. I think he's the kind of
receiver you need on your roster. I think we get
so caught up in number ones and two's and x'es,
and you know, the kid can play football and that's
just what you like. And you know, you bring up
the blocking and some people snicker about that, but I
just think he's a well rounded piece. And when you
look at him in comparison to de Mario Douglas, that who's,
you know, little quick guy inside who's going to get open.

(50:48):
I think you need those kind of tough guys on
the outside. Now that doesn't make up for maybe a
lack of speed and explosiveness that you're hoping Taekwon Thornton
suddenly delivers this year. But I'd love to see just
another consistent performance out of out of Polk.

Speaker 9 (51:01):
So on that same topic of wide receivers, apparently Patriots
wide receivers are warming up and they're all spotted except
for Jamon Baker.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 8 (51:12):
I mean, I would say he's a good chance to
be although maybe you're I mean, I don't know what
you're getting at.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I'll let you get out what you're gonna get at,
and I'll respond.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Well, I wanted to just follow something on Polk specifically,
we're talking snap pitch count with a guy like Jamar Chase.
What's your expectation for Polk as far as snaps today?
Is he fully integrated or do they just sort of
ease him in? How do you see them trying to
handle him today from a participation standpoint.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Yeah, I think I think it's going to be a lot.

Speaker 8 (51:38):
I mean, I think I would say there were points
at the end of camp where it was kind of
him as the z out the you know.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
The outside.

Speaker 8 (51:46):
Taekwon Thornton Online of scrimmage x outside, run down the field,
stretch the field a little bit. But I think it
would be probably a pretty good rotation between Polk, Osborne
maybe for one spot. I think you'll see a lot
of Thornton out there, of course, Douglas and then Booty
I think mixed in here and there. But I think
the guys that are going to be really doing the
heavy lifting today are going to be the Polk.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
The Osbourne, the Thornton and the Douglas of the world.

Speaker 8 (52:07):
And I think Booty will be get a little bit
of time, but I'd say those top four are gonna
get plenty of run.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
If they go three wide out of the shoot. Who's
the first three in the field.

Speaker 8 (52:14):
Probably Osbourne, I just I'll give him the veteran nod,
but but I think Polk was nipping at his heels
with his consistency, and I think before the season's up,
you'd love to see Polk out there as almost in
every down. Kind of a back did I hit all
the rookies though, I'm trying to think if there's any
other rookies that you know today we're really expecting anything
out of. I mean, Leyden Robinson of course, at right guard. Yeah,

(52:35):
that's just the rotation. I don't think we'll see a
ton of him, but I think he's gonna play, getting
him some experience, getting him rotated in. We'll see Vederian
Lowe here in a minute. Jahean Bell, I don't know tough.
I would be surprised unless Hunter Henry's banged up. I
don't think you'll see a ton of Jaheen Bell. Maybe
a candidate to be to be a healthy scratch, not
sure yet, but we'll know here momentarily what happens.

Speaker 9 (52:57):
Going back to Jaymon Baker, too much talking for me
off the field, too much drama off the field that
I just I don't know how you would put him
on the field right now, and I feel like he's
lucky to build. Belchik is not the head coach right
now because I don't know how that would be handled,
but I would imagine that he would be disciplined in
a way that would be very outward facing.

Speaker 8 (53:19):
Just unfortunate because I think you know, we had from
the second he got drafted and he had the comment
about making people in wheelchair stand up, and you hope
that that's not going to be you know what you're
getting with him, and even at that point it felt
like this guy fills boom or bust. We got into
OTAs in mini camp and you saw a couple catches
downfield and people really started to get excited, I think.
And then as camp wore on, you saw more drops,

(53:39):
more inconsistency.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
You got in the games, you saw.

Speaker 8 (53:41):
More hey fan field in order the field, you're seeing
immaturity as well. So I think Javon Baker's got a
ways to go. He's probably gonna be humbled a little
bit here as he doesn't play if he even does
dress today, So for him, he's kind of gonna be
like Drake May working behind the scenes developing. He's a
talented kid, but I think he's got a long way
to go in comparison to a kid like Polk who

(54:03):
just keeps his mouth shut and was productive day in
day out, game practice didn't matter.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
And let's not forget who his mentor is as far
as his position coach is concerned. I think that connection
between coach Hughes and Polk is very, very strong, and
I think will really be helpful to him as he
sees the field.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
But just real quick, I mean, I wrote a profile.

Speaker 8 (54:23):
I talked to coach Hughes about Polk after he was
drafted and even going back to his high school days.
A kid who's focused, who's serious, who you know, has
the right priorities. Went back to his high school after
he was drafted, immediately before he even came to New
England to you know, talk to some of the kids
back there and spread a message of you know what
it took for him to get to this level, to
be selected in the second round by the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
So I'm excited about Polk.

Speaker 8 (54:47):
I think he's going to be one of those fan favorites,
one of those ones where and it gotta have it
kind of moment, which was what Jacoby Myers was, which
actually too, I might use this opportunity if it's okay,
like because we talk a lot about him and Jacoby Myers,
like he's Jacoby Myers, He's Jacoby Myers was saying that.
So he's the same size as Jacoby Myers, but he
also jumped a foot farther than Jacoby Myers when the

(55:08):
broad jump.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yet more athletic and talk about long speed. Not the
fastest guy.

Speaker 8 (55:14):
One of the knocks on him, and he's a four
or five guy, but in the first ten yards he's
one of the top twenty five percent of the league.
So in terms of short quickness, he's got that. He's
a different athletic specimen than Jacob. Jacoby Myers was so
a lot more athletic, a lot more explosive, has some
wiggle to him. Nothing against Jacoby Myers, who is an
excellent NFL receiver. I'm sad that he's not here anymore,

(55:36):
but I just think that the comparison is, Yes, they
are the exact same physical size, but.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
You see more of an upside.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
I see more on an upside and potentially.

Speaker 9 (55:43):
Impoltan And I feel like having the Jacoby Myers Jalen
Polks of the world are important. You saw what happened
when we didn't have that Jacoby Myers.

Speaker 7 (55:51):
That gotta have it guy, and so.

Speaker 9 (55:53):
If Polk can become that for Drake, may you know,
after Jacoby Brissett is not playing, I think that could
be really valuable to him to have that.

Speaker 7 (55:59):
I don't want to say Binky, but guy that you
know is always going to be there.

Speaker 8 (56:02):
And you might even have two tomorrow with with with
Pop Douglas too, who is kind of the more traditional.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
All right, it's third and four.

Speaker 8 (56:09):
We need somebody who's gonna shake somebody and get open
quick and you can get the ball out.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Yeah guy, Yeah, he's here.

Speaker 11 (56:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (56:14):
So that's why I like the complimentary nature of those
two guys. Now that said, I think watching some of
the games over the past couple of days where it's
like speed upon speed upon speed across the offense, and
then that is certainly appealing.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
They need that element.

Speaker 8 (56:28):
And I'm you know, just hopeful to see Taekwon get
up there and see what it looks like in this offense.

Speaker 9 (56:32):
I need him to look like Xavier Worthy did because
like I was, like, am I watching Dash from the Incredibles?

Speaker 7 (56:39):
Like what am I looking at? And it was crazy?

Speaker 8 (56:40):
And that's and it translated so quick, right, it was
like you know how we blew. You know a lot
of times these guys there are four two guys at
the combine and you know, with Taekwon, he's a.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Four to two guy or you know, four to three guy.

Speaker 8 (56:50):
But he didn't really haven't really seen it translate that much.
And I think we saw bits and pieces of it
during camp where he was getting downfield a little bit.
But I think the big thing for him. It's one
thing to get open and get beyond the coverage. It's
another when it's a tight contested catch, when there's a
small window, you gotta have strong hands. Those are the
kind of moments I like Polpe. That's where I think
Thornton needs to grow, those moments, tough testing catches.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
I don't want to spend a lot of time here unworthy,
but I talked to Paul off the air after that
game on Thursday night, and it's infuriating to me that
the Bills, who I think we look at Kansas City
as their primary competition in the AFC, They're going to
let them get the receiver that they wanted a deposition like,
I think that's a move that that could really come
back and.

Speaker 7 (57:29):
Buy, especially after giving Digs away. Like what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yeah, Paul, did we talk about the enactors? They just count?

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Okay, So I'm just gonna read about.

Speaker 10 (57:39):
Joe Milton is the emergency third quarterback, Javon Baker, Trey Jacobs,
Zach Thomas Curtis Jacobs, City SO and Eric Johnson So.
The four waiver wire claims City SO was already inactive,
and Javon Baker would be the healthy scratch.

Speaker 8 (57:55):
Yeah makes sense. I mean, not really a lot of surprises,
you know, but jahem bell active.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
We'll see. I feel like he's going to be more
special teams.

Speaker 8 (58:04):
But again, any of these rookies today, if they're able
to get out there and start stacking experience, I mean,
that's what it's about it. I know everyone's waiting for
Drake May to get in, but it's about these other
rookies too. So you know, how does Laden Robinson look?
Does he starts to stack some experience there inside?

Speaker 3 (58:19):
You know, it's just Marcellus dial.

Speaker 7 (58:20):
Gets some time and your guy, your brill is playing.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, good news. We'll see him.

Speaker 8 (58:24):
Probably gonna manage him a little bit, I guess, but yep.
Web Radio Patriots dot Com. This comes in from Travis
in West Virginia. Hello, friends, Remind me again why everyone
feels pretty good about the Patriots d I don't have
high expectations. And then he's gonna take a shot at you, Tamara. Also,
Tamara predicting the Mike Kaseki will have a big game
might be the worst football take I've ever heard. What

(58:45):
I disagree with you, Travis. I don't think you're paying attention.
I'd like to take Tamara now. But back to the
defense that Travis is asking about. It's a little negative there,
yes or no, yeah, But I'm stuck on.

Speaker 7 (58:56):
The Gaseki thing.

Speaker 9 (58:57):
If Jamar Chase and Ti Higgins were both healthy and
not dealing with anything at all and we're ready to go,
absolutely we wouldn't even see Kazeki probably for a second.
Maybe he might have five catches. Cool, But today, with
Chase being limited and te Higgins being out, I think
Kaseki is primed to play a lot today.

Speaker 8 (59:15):
I just say, Matt, I'm a defense guy, and I'm
generally a positive guy, and I feel like I am
I'm probably more concerned than the general sentiment.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Of people who I think.

Speaker 8 (59:23):
Look, the focus this year has been on the offense,
and people are obsessed with that, and rightly so that's
how they're going to win or lose games. But I
just look at the pass rush and you know, look,
I'm not trying to say that I don't like Keon
White as a player. I just see people predicting him
to be like the Patriots defensive player of the year,
and that will be amazing.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
But he hasn't demonstrated it.

Speaker 8 (59:41):
Yet I see him as an interior rusher right now,
and I see him as that's where he's able to
move my needle a little bit, maybe replacing some of
what Barmore did. But Anthony Jennings, Keon White, you know,
josh U cha, Oshane Zimmenez. I mean, this is who
you're going to rely on to lead the way up front,
and not to mention that the depth. I like Devon Gotschaw,

(01:00:01):
but now we're putting Daniel Laqualley, who's kind of been
a journeyman and a filling guy. He's now your number
two inside defensive tackle. Oh when he's backed up by
Jeremiah Farms, who's a nice story but has basically been
a practice squad guy for three years. And we called
up Tristan Hill from the practice squad to be the
fourth interior guy. So I just have some concerns. I
said last point on this was just look, you lost

(01:00:22):
Barmore and you lost Lawrence guy from last year. Those
there aren't really real replacements for those guys right now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Right this is Dexter from Cinta Rosa, California, who says
it's time for the mayor reign to be taken seriously
by the league and I want wins. To me, I
would rather look at five and three and it's certain
may with a chance at a playoff berth than two
and six. And let's just hope to gets experience now
and not get hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Go Patriots who would disagree with that?

Speaker 10 (01:00:49):
Yeah, No, just the email from the public to me,
I would rather be five and three and then turn
it over to me then two and six.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
And it like, I guess, is there a Patriots fan
that would rather be two and six? Is that three tanking?
Is that what the point was trying to be that
he doesn't want to tank or something?

Speaker 10 (01:01:04):
Right, but like the anti tanking would be is I
would rather be, you know, three and five than two
and six, Right, Like, I don't know anybody that wouldn't
rather be in the playoff hunt than not.

Speaker 8 (01:01:16):
Yeah, I just I'll go back to the point I
made earlier in this something I'll probably harp on. It's
just every win is just so important to this franchise
right now, to getting back on track and confident, to
changing the narrative and to getting.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Off of this.

Speaker 10 (01:01:28):
So you guys are with Mike Felder, Everyone killing them.
But that's a felgarism. Well, I mean what you guys
just said, confidence culture. Yeah, but I'm not saying I'm
not getting into like I would in a trade. Master
Matthew judeh for a third round pick want to win games.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
But that's why he will get him.

Speaker 10 (01:01:42):
That's why he didn't like the trade because he thinks
that Matt Judeau could help him win games and he
thinks that's important.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Yeah, I know. My only point about confidence. They need
those wins to you know, it's to justify the program.
It's to justify what you're doing. They need to see
good results in order for that to happen, and they
need to stack those up. Eight five Pats five hundred
is our number here and Floyd has been waiting patiently. Floyd,
You're next on the Patriots pregame show. Good morning, Good morning, everybody.

Speaker 19 (01:02:10):
I have two questions. Question number one is I saw
a report today may like me to sit for several
weeks behind verse. So my question number one is what
is your definition of several? Is there like three to
five weeks? Question number two, and this is specifically aimed

(01:02:32):
at Christian Barmore situation. Can an NFL team give a
player a physical before giving them a contract, or if
that's something the NFLPA would have a problem with. Thank
you for taking my call.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:02:48):
I mean, I don't know how you guys feel like
to me, several is anything three or more.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
I think it's a couple round, a couple of two.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
Several is three, and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
By definition, I think somewhere between six and.

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
Several. I think several it is like five to seven,
but not eight.

Speaker 9 (01:03:08):
No, that's getting to be I think once you get
beyond a couple into several, what about a few?

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
A few?

Speaker 7 (01:03:15):
I feel like a couple and a handful.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Therefore, I want to touch on this one, and I
don't nearly a dozen. I think every medical situation is
obviously much much different. Did anybody have an eyebrow raised
when they saw the University of Cincinnati kid get cleared
who had blood clots in diagnosed with blood clots in July.
He was just cleared by the University of Cincinnati to
resume playing football. I looked at that and read and

(01:03:40):
I said, I wonder if this has any correlation to
barbar situation.

Speaker 8 (01:03:45):
Well, I think we tackled that on PU this week,
and it's every situation is different. We had someone right
in who said, you know, in certain situations where it
was brought on by something specific, that you can fix
that and it's okay. Whereas if it's you know, something
that's chronic, then it's a lot more complicated deal. So
it was, as it was explained to us, there's a
wide array of blood clots. Always talked about he's out

(01:04:05):
with blood clots.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
The blood clots.

Speaker 11 (01:04:08):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
So it's just hard. It's hard to know.

Speaker 8 (01:04:11):
I think every situation is unique, and you know, Christian
Barmore's gotta gotta walt his own path.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
And I didn't.

Speaker 10 (01:04:16):
I'm not familiar with the Cincinnati thing, and I'm also
not familiar with the report that Floyd is.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
I guess I missed a lot this weekend. You guys
are gonna have to catch me up.

Speaker 10 (01:04:27):
The report then indicated that Floyd's talking about that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
This morning.

Speaker 7 (01:04:33):
Yeah, it was this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I don't I don't know what it means these I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Who, But can I ask who reported it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Because as you know, I think it was iron rapapla. Okay,
that's good enough. That's good enough for me. I do believe.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
So the Patriots aren't playing him for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
I think the report also had It.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Doesn't surprise me in the least.

Speaker 9 (01:04:57):
The report also had that they wanted to get the
offensive line situated first.

Speaker 10 (01:05:02):
That makes me feel even worse. So this has nothing
to do with May, is what they're telling me. So
May can do anything, and it's not going to change
because this is the plan. This is well out what
I'm looking at.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Let's get back to what you said. What is what
is your definition of a few.

Speaker 9 (01:05:16):
Okay, wait, let me read the quote. From my understanding,
that means they're going to make sure the offensive line
is good enough to put him out there. The skill
position group, it's all set for me to come in
and right away have success, probably going to be several
weeks at least.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Does that dovetail from anything that you thought going in
before this happened? You thought you might play next week
against Seattle.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I thought this was up to Drake May. Okay, I
did did you?

Speaker 11 (01:05:42):
I did?

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
You thought all summer he was never going to play, though.

Speaker 10 (01:05:46):
I thought when the training camp started and based on
what I saw, he didn't look close. Based on the
way training camp finished, I think he looked more than close.
I thought this was about Drake May's development. They were
going to put him in when they felt like he
was ready to go. Sounds like that's not what's going
to happen. Sounds like they need to have the offensive
line situation, they need to have skill position guys around,

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and that they doesn't sound like as much to do
with Drake May, like what I thought. I guess I
fell for the banana and the tailpipe. I fell for
the competition and all that other stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
It never feels like it's ever gonna go, and so
it's just hard to know.

Speaker 10 (01:06:23):
That's why I don't think he's gonna play right, and
you just it's never going to be what they say,
and that's there are.

Speaker 8 (01:06:29):
Wait for the I don't know what's maarsa exactly like
wait for the weapons, like I mean, they are what
they are, they're here.

Speaker 10 (01:06:34):
No, I think they said they're okay with the weapons,
but they were waiting for the offensive line, which is
not going to rectify itself.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
Right, They're not trading for Trent Williams. They're not.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
They're not.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
It's not just gonna magically get fixed.

Speaker 8 (01:06:47):
No, I think they're they're hoping, well, well, yeah, they're
hoping that this is the new system, and when everybody
learns the strike system properly, that we're all going to
be on the same page and it's gonna start to
solidify itself and look bad.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
I just I just hope he plays. I think it's
time now for I now have fear that he won't.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Oh, I think he will. Matt, let's go to over unders.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Please, it's time for this week's edition of over unders.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Okay, uh, it looks like everybody's got a winning record,
so let's get right to it. Jacoby Brisset passing yards.
How do you get this number?

Speaker 16 (01:07:23):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Two oh six and a half?

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
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an interesting number. Okay, over under on two oh six
and a half.

Speaker 8 (01:07:34):
Mike, all right, I'm a hey, it's the week one.
Let's go positive.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
I'm going over.

Speaker 10 (01:07:41):
As you know, Mike, I can often have an argument
with you about pretty much anything, and I could argue
with you that would be a negative if it goes
over that, because that means they're not.

Speaker 16 (01:07:51):
The way we want to.

Speaker 10 (01:07:53):
But I am gonna also share Mike's optimism and say over,
I wish.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
I could share your optimism. I'm going under on passing yards.
On the other side, Joe Burrow's passing yards two fifty
two and a hey fifty two and a Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Mike, I think we're gonna rotate. Yeah, I.

Speaker 12 (01:08:12):
Did.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
I understand the pre apprecial meeting.

Speaker 10 (01:08:14):
I am gonna take the under on that. I just
don't have a lot of belief in who Borrow.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
Is going to be throwing to.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Michael. Oh is it me?

Speaker 10 (01:08:25):
Next?

Speaker 14 (01:08:25):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
Sorry, I'm going under, Mike. So I'm under on Joe
burrow passing yards. I think this we're looking at a
little bit of a non weather tractor tool today.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
God, I don't want to be the only one to
say over, but I think Joe Burrow is really good.
I've got some concerns about the Patriots pass rush. I
think I think he could be over this and it's
still not, you know, go crazy with the receivers that
he has.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
So I'm actually gonna go over.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Okay, next up Romandre Stevenson rushing yards at forty nine
and a hey, I'm going over on that. How about that?

Speaker 8 (01:08:58):
Yeah, I'm gonna go over on that too. I think
it's a big part of this offense. Come hell or
high water, They're going to try to figure out a way.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
To get him over fifty yards.

Speaker 10 (01:09:07):
I'm just looking at the whole slate here. This is
the toughest one for me. I'm gonna cheat. I'm gonna
take the over.

Speaker 5 (01:09:18):
That way. I can't lose a game.

Speaker 8 (01:09:19):
It gives a little bang up. He's probably gonna get
a lot of opportunities.

Speaker 9 (01:09:22):
At least.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
I don't think they're gonna be able to run the ball.
Don't have much faith.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Okay. Next to Mario Douglas receiving yards, and I apologize.
I'm paying attention as to who goes first.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Back to Mike, go ahead, rotation, go ahead, Mike. Uh,
I'm going all over here, but I'm gonna go over.

Speaker 8 (01:09:38):
If I went over on Jacoby having two oh six,
I gotta go over on Pop Douglas.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I will go over.

Speaker 10 (01:09:43):
I would agree with Mike's reasoning, and for that reason,
I'm going to take the over as well.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
And I'm going to go under on that one first
half spread?

Speaker 11 (01:09:52):
Is this me?

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
It's five and a half?

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
Okay, So I have a question about the question.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
It's the Bengals minus five and a.

Speaker 10 (01:09:57):
Half Bengals minus five and a half. Okay, ah, so
I'm gonna take the I take the Patriots then plus
five and a half. Yeah, I'll take the Patriots plus
five and a half on the first half, me too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
We're all on the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
Let's go a bunch of homers.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
And our final in the over unders is the total score.
The number for mister Morrel he's printed out is forty
and a half. Forty point five. I start, yes, I'm
going under. I see tractor pull today.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
God, I've gone over on everything. I don't know how
I go under on this one. To screw it. Let's
go over. Let's have fun, let's get weird, let's get crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
Yeah, I get the over as well.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
All right, okay, I'm all.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Over some positivity today. So you're welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
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Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
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prediction is that the Pats lose by a few.

Speaker 10 (01:15:28):
He might to draw you, Mat, so that'll be like
between three and seven, okay, as opposed to a couple,
and which will be which would be.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
A two point loss?

Speaker 9 (01:15:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
About a dozen?

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Okay?

Speaker 12 (01:15:39):
Eight?

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Five Pats five hundred is our number. Let's go to Trevor,
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Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
No Way, Hey, good morning guys.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Morning.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Hey, So I just had one question. Do you think
that Drake may will ever start this season?

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
Yes, yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
So you think how many games do you think? Sorry,
I'm meeting at the same time. How many games do
you think Jacoby show isn't it this season?

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Several? Several, a few.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
I think he's going to start a few.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
A few, so working in maybe three to four games,
and then.

Speaker 10 (01:16:20):
I would say more. I'm going to say like five,
six to eight, something like that. But you know, I'm hoping.

Speaker 5 (01:16:27):
I'm hopeful.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
And do you think by that time that this O
line will be ready to know? End break mate? It's
my question. I think we have a really bad O
line right now.

Speaker 10 (01:16:38):
Yeah, but I think it'll be better than it is
now because I have to think some of the pre
snap stuff will get cleaned up. Yes, but no, I
don't think it'll be a great I don't think it'll
be a great situation.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
No, No, I think that's a good way to put
it. It won't be a great situation.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
Trevor, thank you for the phone call. For those of
us who are watching us on Patriots dot Com, those
of you are watching, you're seeing the quarterbacks loosen up.
There mentioned Drake May and Paul. I'm gonna ask you
this one. Joe Milton is announced by Deuce is the
emergency quarterback at the risk of getting an ice cream headache.
What does that mean?

Speaker 10 (01:17:12):
It means he can enter the game if both quarterbacks
get hurt or in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
Okay, and so that from a roster standpoint, game day
roster standpoint. Not a surprise. That's what everybody thought, that
that's how the Patriots are going to play this correct.

Speaker 10 (01:17:26):
Now, I guess you could say that there's a I
don't know a modicum of news in that those that
felt like the Patriots did not want to play Drake
May right away under any circumstances. Well, Drake May is
still the backup. So if Kobe Brissett gets hurt on
the first series of the game, Joe Milton's not going
in correct, Drake May is correct.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
Web Radio at Patriots dot Com. This is l from Wisconsin.
I think y'all that usually isn't used in Wisconsin. I
don't transplant. I'm fully aware that I'm being reactionary right now.
But if May sits all year because of the situation
Paul and not because of him, then that's a fireable
offense for all involved. I don't think any of us

(01:18:07):
think that May's gonna sit the entire year.

Speaker 8 (01:18:09):
No, I don't, And that's why I wasn't really moved
by the several week things like That's about what I
thought he was gonna be anyway, So I'm not.

Speaker 10 (01:18:15):
Moved by the several weeks thing at all. I'm moved
by the when this, this and this gets right. So
if it doesn't get right, we're not. It's not It
has nothing to do with May.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
And then I and then I and then to that.

Speaker 8 (01:18:29):
I think that that's an indictment if you can't even
get the team good enough to get to a point
where you can get your rookie quarterback some experience. But
I don't know what We're about to start the season today,
Like you're gonna start getting all kinds of new real
information and you know, what does it look like with
Jacoby rissaid, how good is the offensive line?

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
What does it really really look like?

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
And now then you can start to really assess like
what makes sense.

Speaker 10 (01:18:49):
To the new seas. So now you guys might know
more about this stuff than I do. David Andrews has
a gold sea. Is that because he's been captain for
more years?

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
Yeah? And then Jacoby Brissetts is white. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:19:04):
I think once you fill the I think four years
as a captain you get the gold one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
But I know they've evolved a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:19:11):
But we haven't had him around here, Paul, so I
haven't dug too deeply into those captains.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
So what's so smoky there?

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
You know it's a jungle. You never know there's there's
gonna be some wild committee in a jungle. Yeah, at
fifty eight degrees, Mike, let's delve into the captain's patch
a little bit though, if you would. We talked about
it a little bit in a pre show prep. Big deal,
not a big deal. What do you what do you
think the players think? And Andrews on All Access again
another plug. I didn't think it was a big deal

(01:19:37):
to have the visual affirmation of the captain's patch, but
it wasn't like upset about it. What's your take on that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
I I kind of like it, to be honest.

Speaker 8 (01:19:47):
I mean I I as a as a player, I
always kind of wanted that, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
As a high school player. Whatever that accounts for.

Speaker 8 (01:19:52):
But you know, it seems like it's important for Girod
and and you know what they're trying to do and
acknowledging the leaders on the team and having that way, uh,
you know, to put it on the jersey. I think
you can go overboard with some of that stuff, though,
when you start getting into like helmet stickers and all
that kind of stuff in college. But but I'm fine
with it. I think it's a you know, it's a
nice honor. And for certainly somebody like David Andrews right there,

(01:20:13):
who's been.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
A long time leader, it's you know, I think it's
something he deserves.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
I loved helmet stickers. I loved you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
What did you get them for?

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
All kinds of things?

Speaker 10 (01:20:21):
If you threw a touchdown pass or caught a touchdown,
ran a touchdown, threw a you know, a key block,
or you know, made a sack on defense, Yeah, just anything,
And it was it was all for team orient to
play too. It wasn't just like, well, you were the
star that got all the points. It was you did
the right things to help. You know, if you were
a guard and pulled properly and led as sweep, you

(01:20:42):
got the same thing that the guy who scored the
touchdown would get. You know, that kind of thing. Now,
I don't I wouldn't condone that in the NFL. I
think it's a a high school and a college thing.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
I kind of like, but.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
I don't I like.

Speaker 10 (01:20:55):
And we were talking about this a little off air
before we started the show, because, believe it or not,
we have a full show. Before the show even started
the show, right, So Matt and Mike were talking about
it a little bit. Mike, you know, basically just voiced
what he just said about it. And I do think
like if it were hockey and Mike is a hockey player,

(01:21:16):
I don't know if you know this, Mike, Matt little
pop star holy Cross. Yes, I've heard star Star. That's
why I that's why I hired.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
Under the tutelage of the Great Paul Pearl. Correct believe
it is being inducted into the Holy Cross Hall of
Fame later this year.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Oh, I hope, so I'll be there.

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
Yes, So hockey, it's a huge thing.

Speaker 10 (01:21:35):
Like there's a C and the couple of a's one
on the sweater right. Baseball, I'm not telling you they've
never put c's on uniforms in baseball, but it's very rare.
Most teams have never done that. Football the same. So
if they never put these patches on, I wouldn't have
said why why don't football players have it on? But

(01:21:58):
I do think regardless of what you do to show everybody,
I think Matt brought up a good little I think
example of how you can sort of set something up
in your locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
I think you called it there. It's their shrine.

Speaker 10 (01:22:13):
The locker room is a sacred it's a sacred place
for the players in all sports. Have something in there
that could be recognized by your peers. This is fine,
I'm fine this. I never understood Bill Belichick's opposition to this,
and he was adamant.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
You know, I don't know. We played one hundred years
and no one never had any season. Well, so what
you played a hundred years and everybody ran the ball
every play too? You throw it?

Speaker 20 (01:22:35):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
Should we just do it just the same way we
did it for one hundred years?

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Just because you're watching pregame war ups from Cincinnati and
while we're talking about the captain's patches, and I know
understandab we were focused on the Patriots, but I got
to tell you those orange uniforms are really scary for
Cincinnati boy.

Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
Oh no, intimidating, I don't know, but I mean there
was more orange.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:57):
I like him, I'll tell you that, but I didn't
know that was supposed to be intimidated.

Speaker 8 (01:23:00):
While we're on the topic though, of Jersey patches, I
point out two second year that the rookies are wearing
patches for their first NFL game. So if you noticed
on Joe Milton there, you'd see a rookie patch. I'll
see him on Drake May. Everybody who's dressing today will
have one of those as well.

Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
I'm kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
I'm on, like, what are we doing? Like is it
the cub scouts where all of a sudden you do something,
you get out.

Speaker 5 (01:23:23):
Like a sticker.

Speaker 8 (01:23:23):
It's just like it's like, it's like just to let
everybody another team know, this guy has no idea what
he's doing today.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
If you're a first year player, you're out. It's your
first game, all right. You know, perhaps eight pats five
hundreds are number here. Chris from New Hampshire has been
waiting patiently. Chris, you're next on the Patriots pre game show.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Good afternoon, heyod morning everyone, Thanks for sticking the clock.

Speaker 13 (01:23:44):
Can you guys hear me?

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
Ye, Chris?

Speaker 19 (01:23:46):
Perfect.

Speaker 21 (01:23:47):
Just two quick things.

Speaker 20 (01:23:49):
The first is on the report that you guys touched
on earlier regarding the direction of Patriots in the time
when that Drake will play. You know, if they are
waiting for the perfect one, perfect players to play, it
just seems a little bizarre. It's like telling my sixteen
year old, hey, you got your license, we got to
wait till you get a Teslo so you can drive,

(01:24:09):
like kind of bizarre excuse. And then the other thing
is with the quality of the games that we saw
this past week. I don't see the Patriots war more
than eighteen points per games. Uh so it's definitely not
the answer.

Speaker 13 (01:24:25):
Rhythm.

Speaker 20 (01:24:25):
Let you guys talk about it. Thanks, you're taking the pet.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
Thanks for recall Chris. Just on the driving comp that
he made, Speaking from a little bit of experience here,
I wasn't excited about the kids getting on the highway
when they first got their license. How about a couple
of weeks of you know the roads and you know
drive to school, so you can do that without incident
sitting in the drive. Then let's graduate a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
I actually liked his analogy.

Speaker 10 (01:24:50):
I think it's like, so you have your license, you
can drive, but not unless we get a better car.
That's what he said, we got to get a Tesla
before you can drive. We we just want to to
make sure the tires are all working.

Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
I mean, if you want to drive that over there,
you can do that. If you want to, you know
you want to go.

Speaker 10 (01:25:05):
To practice, we'll let you do that. But no, no, no,
if you want to actually drive, we got to have
the best right. You're never going to have a perfect situation.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Right, And I don't think they think it's going to
be perfect. I think they're trying to do right by
the kid and get him coach the offensive line up
a little bit. Maybe getting born back and healthy provides
him with more weapons offensively, and if they can do that,
they're thinking that maybe they're giving him the best chance
to see.

Speaker 10 (01:25:31):
I'm going to hold out hope that there was a
misunderstanding in the report and that Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
I don't think there was any misunderstanding. I think there's
all about managing expectations. This reeks to me of Hey,
Patriot fans, this is what's going to be going on.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
But I'm going to go to it.

Speaker 10 (01:25:45):
I'm going to pretend, because I want to keep myself
in a good mood on opening week, that there was
never anything that was said about he's not going to
play until the offensive line situation is rectified. And there
was sort of an inference there from Ian rap report. Yeah,
there was an inference there that sort of connected dots
and that didn't come from the team, because that would

(01:26:06):
bother me because I think there's you know, you want
to do right by Drake May. I think they are
doing right by Drake May because he's probably not ready
right this second to be playing. But the second that
he's ready to play, I don't care what the state
of the rest of the team is. He should play
because there's a lot to be gained from playing under
adverse conditions as long as you're ready to play. Deucey's

(01:26:26):
getting angry now. I really believe in that. I believe
in it really strongly. I think this whole notion of you,
these guys aren't ever ready to play, Like there's no
such thing like we can't like create this in a
test tube. That's why, like you want to really, you know,
go down a rabbit hole with me of things that
annoy it. That's why I push back on analytics so much,

(01:26:48):
because analytics operate in a perfect scenario that doesn't exist.
It's fourth and one. It says we get these ninety
nine point percent of the time. It doesn't take into
account that you're the season is on the line, and
your coach is gonna get fired if this doesn't work.
There's a little bit more at stake than what it
says on the spreadsheet. There is no such thing as

(01:27:09):
perfect working conditions for a rookie quarterback. He's not gonna
be ready whenever he takes his first nap right. He's
not gonna have perfect protection on every play. He's not
going to have Jerry Rice and Randy Moss and their
prime running down the field wide open. It's gonna be
sometimes up to the guy to make some plays and

(01:27:30):
figure out what works and what doesn't work, and experience.
And this is what Peyton Manning talked about a lot
with his side of it. Tom was on the other side.
I don't even think they were in the same stratosphere.
Peyton Manning was the number one overall pick. Tom Brady
of course needed time as the one hundred and ninety
ninth pick to be ready to play. Like to me,
it's mahomes Well, clearly this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
Is the topic djur as Nick and Rawley says. I
expect May's first game is scheduled for week five, but
I have no faith in our offensive the line of
being percent healthy for four weeks. What say you if
the plant is week five, can the O line keep
per set safe. I think that's a wild card.

Speaker 8 (01:28:07):
I mean, I just I'm sick of speculating about what
this team is going to look like. Like, let's just
wait an hour and we'll start to get some actual
real information, because I.

Speaker 10 (01:28:15):
Would say, I don't really understand the correlation between quarterback
injury and protect Like you can get hurt. You could
get sacked three times for the season and get hurt
Jordan Love, Like, I just don't really understand, Like, yeah,
I think the offensive line is going to struggle, I do.
I agree with the emailer. But does that mean that
Kobe Brissett's going to get hurt?

Speaker 8 (01:28:34):
Yeah, I mean, I just it's it's more about Drake
May and I just but there is you know, for me,
I don't need Drake May to start this game right now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
I think there is value. I think you've heard from
Tom Brady, You've heard from Bill Belichick this week talking about,
you know, what goes on in a year.

Speaker 8 (01:28:47):
Drake May had what forty thirty starts I think, I mean,
twenty one years old.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
Two full seasons are starting, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:28:53):
So I just go back to to when we sat
with Josh McDaniels and went through tom Brady's greatest comebacks.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
The video we did a little plug there.

Speaker 8 (01:29:00):
For Paul and I, but how much of that tom
Brady was won before the snap by understanding what was
going on? And Drake May has no concept right now
of how any defense is going to play the New
England Patriots defense. So maybe it is week six, week seven,
but that's six or seven games to not only understand,
like how what we're good at, well we're not, how

(01:29:21):
teams are playing us, and for you to say, all right, Drake,
this is what we're expecting Cincinnati to do and then
guess what, this is what they did to us. So
when a team like you know, so you're starting to
stack experience then of how teams are going to play him,
what to expect, and start to give him the answers
to the test, because if he were to roll out
here in the first month of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
He's he's flying blind. He's going to be relying on
his athleticism more than anything.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
And I'm going to trust them on that. I agree
with everything.

Speaker 10 (01:29:44):
Mike just say, well, and I'm going to trust them
to let me know when they think he's ready.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Yeah, that's all. I just don't give a chance.

Speaker 10 (01:29:51):
I just don't want him sitting if they feel you
know what I think, you know what, I think he's guys.
You know Alex, you know the Ben McAdoo I'm watching.
I think this kid's ready, and then Alex pushing back
and we can't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
Put him out there in this situation, right, all right?
I would hate that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
As you're watching Patriot warmups, let's go to Tamara Brown,
who's located in Studio A A little new look here
for the Patriots pregame field by Duncan. Tamara's were watching
warm ups and you see the new number seven on
Jacoby Prisett, or at least you did see the new
number seven there for a second. All the talk on
Drake May and do you agree with the report today

(01:30:29):
and all the talk that Drake does need to sit
for a little while before we throw him out there.

Speaker 9 (01:30:34):
Yeah, I think when you weigh the long and short
term benefits of playing Drake May, I think it does
make sense for him to sit, wait and watch Jacoby
Brissette learn this offense. He's been in it for nine years,
playing in this league. He has experience playing with AVP,
so I do not mind if he waits till Week
five to play, especially when you also consider the strength
of schedule that the Patriots have. They're playing the Seahawks

(01:30:55):
next week, get home, then after that they have the
forty nine Ers and the Jets, so it could be
good for him to sit and watch it betteran play
in those I'll.

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
Throw this out for all of you as I see
Anthony Jennings in warm ups with his number thirty three
going on, Mike, I know you're concerned about where's the
pass rush coming from? For everybody? Is it too much
to expect that you're gonna get a little bit of
a rush from Jennings after his year last year?

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
I think you hope to You hope too, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:31:17):
I think he was outstanding with run stopping and you know,
tackles for loss and it was kind of a revelation.
And you love when things like that happen, where a
player goes out and an opportunity rises for another guy.
I just need to see it off the edge. He's
never been a guy with speed, and that's we talk
about an offense a lot. I think that's the case
on defense too. Need speed, Needouche and Zimmenez to threaten the.

Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
Edge Paul On Jennings.

Speaker 10 (01:31:39):
Yeah, I think Mike is right. I think he's a
run player. Bill blitz him well from time to time,
but I think he's he's a strong, stout edge setter
in the run game. I thought he played well last year.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
Okay, I'm gonna I saw another guy in warm ups.
I saw Tristan Hill, who Mike you mentioned that he
was elevated from the practice squad. Coach Jerry Montgomery actually
broke down some preseason plays with both Hill and Arms.
I think he likes those young guys. I'm not trying
to sit here and tell you that they're Joe Green
and Randy White by any stretch of the imaginations, but
I think he likes what he's got in those two
guys and likes the fact that they're, you know, taking coaching.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:32:13):
I think the thing about Tristan Hill that he mentioned
Matt and in that video was his effort and you
know that he's eye mode and high motor, and that's,
you know, something that you like from Christian Barmore, that
he just had that kind of relentless driving legs that
gets inside and just is not going to be denied
of collapsing the pocket. So I'm sure Tristan Hill probably
a little disappointed that you know, didn't end you know,
initially made the fifty three man and then was you know,

(01:32:34):
kick back to the practice squad. So he's got something
to prove. You know, they did bring in another defensive lineman.
As I look at my notes here right now, who
says here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
And I and I crossed it out. These new guys
are right.

Speaker 10 (01:32:48):
But you know, Tristan Hill, it's it's I mean, was
a significant it's making a break here. You know, for Hill,
this is one of the NFL careers on the line.
He's you know, I mean, he's kind of I mean, listen,
these guys are NFL players, But he was disappointment, right
second round pick Dallas didn't work out. If it doesn't
work out, probably not going to get another shot if
it doesn't work out with the Patriots, you know, as

(01:33:09):
a fifty year guy. So he's got to put up
now and show that the draft status that he earned.
Because Belichick said this all the time, and I apologize.
I'm going back to a lot of stuff that Belichick
has said over the years because I was here for
twenty five years with Bill, so a lot of the
stuff that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
I sort of formed my thoughts or muscle memory.

Speaker 13 (01:33:29):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:33:29):
So Bill would talk about guys that were drafted high
almost always without fail, we're remarkably talented guys. You do
not like trick people into thinking you're talented enough to
be a first round pick if you don't have the talent. Now,
there's a million reasons why you bust, but generally it's
not because like Zach Wilson can't throw the football, he

(01:33:51):
doesn't have the talent to play the position.

Speaker 5 (01:33:53):
It's all the other stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:33:54):
And Tristan Hill was a second round pick because he
had the talent to be a second round pick, and
for whatever reason, he hasn't put it together. Mike, you're
right about the practice squad was probably a disappointment. But again,
much like Jalen Rager, you're able to sort of put
those guys on waivers. I mean, put those guys you
know on the street and tell them, don't go anywhere.

(01:34:17):
We're just gonna resign you to the practice squad. You
can't do that with someone you have to put on waivers.
So that's the difference sometimes, and they probably told Tristan Hill,
you know, you're in our plans. We we're gonna We're
gonna get you elevated when we can.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
And Meyer, I want to ask you this question is
we're talking all over the defensive line. But one of
the people that we haven't talked a lot about, and
this guy's certainly flown under the radar, is Dietrich Wise.
And are we neglecting that you know, Wise can give
them some pressure and some veteran leadership also as a captain.

Speaker 9 (01:34:49):
Yeah, I think we're absolutely neglecting teachers. Tetris Wise's ability
to get to the quarterback. I think a lot of
people forget about him because he is one of the
older guys in this room. But I think he still
has a lot of fight in him, and especially tonight,
especially today it's not tonight, especially this afternoon, I think
you can expect him to have a bigger game, a
bigger role in this with no Laurence Guy, no Christian Barmore,

(01:35:09):
no Matthew Judon. Of course he's with the Falcons. I
think he's going to be one of those guys that
you can look at and hopefully circle that's going to
get to the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
Okay, web Radio at Patriots dot Com. The theme of
the day is a quarterback again, and Chris from California says,
one thing that confuses me. Why was Mac Jones quote
the most pro ready end quote in his draft with
one starting season, but Drake May is inexperienced with twice
the time playing in college. Make it make sense to me?

(01:35:36):
Thank you, guys, But that's I mean, hey, gals, Yeah,
that's good. That's a good question, I think.

Speaker 8 (01:35:40):
I mean, I think part of it is related to
the player that Mac Jones was and that you know,
I think he's smarts, an understanding offense, and you thought
that he'd be able to get the ball out quick
and understand those things.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Poet, I don't know, that's it. Age, that's a good question.

Speaker 10 (01:35:52):
I mean, he's spent five years in college as post
to three. May came to the pros as a twenty
one year old. I think, you know, to Mike's point,
I think Mac Jones a lot of people felt like
had sort of played in a pro style offense and
sort of understood the system and the concepts and whatnot.
The physical skills were lacking, but they felt like and

(01:36:14):
to me, it makes a little sense if you're a
guy like Drake May, maybe you weren't as diligent as
you had to be because you relied so much on
your physical ability. Mac Jones never had that luxury. He
had to know the ins and outs of coverages and
systems and schemes and option routes and whatnot because he

(01:36:34):
didn't have the physical to fall back on. Now that's simplistic,
but I think it's accurate. I think it's agent experience,
which mac Jones had a lot more of. And I'm
not talking about just starts, because I think May had
a couple more starts than mac Jones. I think mac
Jones had I want to say, like seventeen starts and
May had like twenty three or something like that. But

(01:36:57):
it's there's a lot of time in that them that
mac Jones had that Drake May didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
On the Patriots pregame show fueled by Duncan, you were
watching warm ups in Cincinnati and another number that just
flashed a couple of minutes ago that I saw during warmups.
But this is both for Tamara and for Deuce was
Keon White and I of Red. One of the stribes
this week refer to Keon White as one of the
premier young pass rushers in the league, and I wanted

(01:37:24):
to say, where is that coming from. I do think
there are some expectations for Keon White, but I don't
think it's fair necessarily to put that kind of pressure
on him. I'll start with you first, Tamara.

Speaker 9 (01:37:34):
Yeah, I definitely don't think it's fair to put that
type of pressure on him, especially with what we've seen
throughout camp. I think he's still trying to find his
place on this defense. I'm not sure where that is
yet as of yet, going into this one, I think
this is going to give us a good idea of
who Keon White is. I don't see him as this
wrecking ball that everyone's been saying all summer long. I
think he has yet to prove himself on this defense.

(01:37:54):
So maybe today can be day one of proving that
to everyone else.

Speaker 8 (01:37:58):
Deuce, Yeah, I hate being the pump the on ke
On White guy because that's just not my style. Like
I want to be the like like, let let the
open the gas up on key On White because he's
a physical He's got a lot of potential. Yes, but
I think key On White told you this summer what
I were telling you that he needs to improve on those,
you know, rushing off of the edge and having counter moves,
and for some reason, he looks to have those things

(01:38:19):
when he's rushing from the inside.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
So i'd expect today.

Speaker 8 (01:38:21):
We'll see him on early downs standing up as an
outside linebacker, setting the edge, probably on the left side,
and then on passing downs, I'd like to see him,
you know, reduce inside and be an interior pass rusher.
That's where I think he's going to you know, make
his biggest impact. I just where I depart from some
of these projections is that I don't think he's going
to be in every down pass rushing menace. I think
he's going to struggle to get such a way passer

(01:38:43):
on early downs because it's not really his game. Off
the edge, I think he's strong and he's going to
stand up and he's gonna set a good edge like
Anthony Jennings does. But I think those two guys correlate
very closely in that they're big, physical, tough guys that
you like to have on your defense. But when it
comes down to getting around tackles and you know, using counter.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Moves to get you know, through tackles, I just I
don't I don't. I don't know if they're going to
consistently be productive in that role.

Speaker 10 (01:39:07):
So this is how this went down, Matt. When Mike
and I were involved in, you know, a group interview
with Kean White, what are some of the things that
you think you're really good at, you know, rushing from
the inside. What do you think you need to work
on rushing from the outside. He was very, very honest
and transparent, just you know, going back to on field,
the pregame warm ups and I'm sure Tamara is monitoring

(01:39:29):
all this stuff. Looks like Michael Jordan is in at
left guard, which is I think something that Evan talked
about during the course of the week off of practice.
It seemed like Jordan was there first and rotating with
Nick Leverett, so Chukes Jordan, Andrews Robinson, Owen who is
the offensive line that was taking some reps in pregame.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
And to Marry you had something to add to.

Speaker 9 (01:39:50):
That, Yes, I wanted to add to that that I
talked to Mike owenhu before this matchup and he talked
a lot about Kayden Wallace.

Speaker 7 (01:39:57):
And Leyden Robinson.

Speaker 9 (01:39:58):
When I asked him about the rookies of to come
in and get these reps with those injuries happening. He
said he's impressed with the way those guys can play
multiple positions and they've been able to catch on to
the offense fast. So yes, we'll see Michael Jordan and
Nick Leverett getting rotated in at left guard. But he's
excited to see those two guys in the mix as well.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
And as we're talking throughout whatever the positions are safer
sake quarterback, it's week one and nobody's played sixty or
seventy snaps yet. Mayo mentioned that a couple times during
the week conditioning is going to be a big part.
I was interested to hear him say after watching he's
watching the Thursday night game that he thought conditioning played
a role in that game. So take that with a

(01:40:36):
grain of salt. As you're watching and seeing players rotating
in at a fairly consistent basis, would you say that
that's accurate.

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:40:43):
Absolutely, And again just to reiterate, I'm hoping Kaden Wallace
gets in there today.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
That'll be, you know, just a good sign to me.

Speaker 8 (01:40:50):
I mean, maybe not so much a sign of his
develot just that they continue to want to get him
work and see him as a guy that could enter
the mix. I mean, let's face it, he's a third
round pick at a position a significant need, and to
see him be able to get out there and play
in this first game and show that, you know, they
have at least some kind of confidence in him and
his development will be you know, be good.

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
Signed web Radio at Patriots dot com. And this is
Katina from Houston, who, at the end of her note says,
I'm really enjoying this positive deuce. I wonder how long
it will last before his negativity sneaks in. But her
main question is I'm saying that that might be that
is it possible that the patches are also used to

(01:41:28):
remind the captains captains themselves that they are expected to
show leadership and step up more sure.

Speaker 8 (01:41:36):
I'd hope that they didn't would need that, I that
they would kind of play regardless. That was kind of
what Jabrill Peppers said that you know, it doesn't really matter,
I still kind of approach business. Which, by the way,
Jabil Peppers, it does look like is gonna wear one
of those Guardian caps today. He tried it out this week.
He's got that, so hopefully it prevents him from getting
any concussions. But he is the only Patriot who will
be wearing the Guardian cap today.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
As I see Devon Godshow in pregame warm up, yet
another reminder of how things are being done differently around here.
Devon Gotcha with a podcast and who is one of
his first guests this week, the head coach of the team.
There you go, that was a little bit different, Paul, Yes, no.

Speaker 10 (01:42:14):
Yeah, I didn't. I'm not aware of that, but yeah,
I'm not. I've lost the podcast world.

Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
There's only one you just Gotcha has a podcast? Yeah, yeah,
chow Down.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Tamara knows that she knows the chowtown is a.

Speaker 10 (01:42:29):
Little more in that demographic than the old man. Yeah,
grand Grandpa doesn't. Grandpa is not up on all the
podcast guys.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
Find it interesting that Mayo was doing podcast David Andrews.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
David Andrews and Brian Hoyer as well.

Speaker 10 (01:42:41):
I mean just that one I did know about only
because Brian Horio was in the office the other day
and he came by and he.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
Said to ask you for some take Hello. He did not,
but he did say hello, my colleague. Of course, he
told him you're one of the world's original podcasters.

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
Right, I didn't, but eight five five pats five hundred
number Johnny from Southeach has been waiting patiently.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
Good afternoon, Johnny, your next on Patriots pregame show.

Speaker 14 (01:43:05):
Houdy everyone, Matt, big fan of you from the past,
from the past world. Glad to have you on the
pregame show. Thank you, Johnny, You guys, yep, you guys
kind of already talked about this and maybe this is
just magical hosting again from you, Matt. But I was
going to call him and talk about the pass rush
a little bit. I am not very confident. I wasn't.

(01:43:27):
I didn't think there was really anything to write home
about last year without judeon, and we don't have Jude
on again. I'm at about a four on a scale
of zero to ten on pass rush confidence, but to
a positive's bin. I do love watching Key on White
play football. I don't know what that means, but I
think he's just a really entertaining player.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
Johnny, thank you for the call, and we'll certainly Mike
you share his pessimism on this. It sounds cliche. I
hate to say that as we're looking at Girodmeo during
pregame warmups. But no matt Judon means there's an opportunity
for somebody else. Now, nobody has presented as showing that
they can do the same kinds of things that Matthew

(01:44:09):
Judon has been able to do. But that's why they
play the game. Let's see if somebody can take that
opportunity and run with it. I'm not saying it's going
to be key on White, you know, but is a
committee of White Jennings ouce can they all tick things
up a little bit and with more opportunities maybe try
to fill that hole?

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
Yeah, you hope.

Speaker 20 (01:44:31):
So.

Speaker 8 (01:44:31):
I mean that's but that's one of the great unknowns
about a team having to rebuild. And I just think
there's certain core tenets of football that you know, come
to believe in over the years, and that is the
best defenses have guys who can win one on one,
you know, whether it's coming off the edge, whether it's
at the linebacker position, whether it's interior rushers. I just
I don't think a defense can truly be the kind

(01:44:53):
of defense you need in today's NFL without players who
can win one on one.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Now, I don't have I don't have much doubt.

Speaker 8 (01:44:59):
That DeMarcus Covington is very well versed in how to
be aggressive as a play caller and you know, knowing
how to spin the dial.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
We saw a little bit of it in.

Speaker 8 (01:45:06):
The first two preseason games, so I think that they
will be able to manufacture enough pass rush on third
downs and they'll be okay there. But my concern is
more against the conventional passing game when it's just, you know,
first second down, you're not quite sure if it's runner pass.
You need to kind of play both, and those are
the moments when you don't have guys who can quickly

(01:45:26):
beat their blocker and cause some disruption that your defense
starts to, you know, really get in the cross hairs
on the back end. So you'll like what they have
with Gonzales and Jones. I think those are two good
starting places as outside corners. But as the old saying goes,
no one can cover forever, so they're going to have
to get to Joe Burrow at some point. It can't
be three four seconds every single snap because he'll pick

(01:45:47):
them apart.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
So on the other side of the ball, James from
Seattle writes in earlier in the week, some of the
guys talked about how passing on early downs could take
some pressure off the run game, and his question is
what would that look like today?

Speaker 10 (01:46:00):
I mean, it's what we, Mike and I hope to
see that. I don't think you, neither one of us.
I don't think it's hopefully confident that it will. But
just instead of just handing the ball off to Rmandre
Stevenson on first and ten, maybe put it in his
stomach and take it back out and throw a quick, little,
you know, flat route to Hunter Henry for seven yards.
You know, you leak the tight end out, easy throw

(01:46:21):
and catch no pressure on the passer because there's no
time for any sort of pass rush to develop. And
instead of you know, second and eight, it's second and three.
And now you have your whole playbook open too.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
So Mike, that brings up a great point to Paul,
makes all of Paul shows. It's been doom and gloom
since the fourth of July, you know, the down year.
Nothing right's gonna happen. We haven't seen these guys call
a game yet. Can we wait until we see something?
Maybe they do want first down, do a little play
action and get seven yards in first down. Can we
wait to see what some of that develops and see
what it looks like when the game actually counts.

Speaker 8 (01:46:55):
Yeah, sure, I mean, and I just say, like exactly
what Paul just said is exactly what I would do
against the Patriots defense. Like the things that I'm afraid
of for the Patriots defense are the same things that
I'm hoping that the offense does, which is you know,
throwing early and trying to take advantage of you know,
what they think you're going to do. I just really
don't want to see, like, you know, first play wide zone,
right drop for a three yard loss. Like I just that,

(01:47:17):
Like I think that is just the start that I
don't want to see. I'd love to see just a
little magic there on the first early going, just to
establish a little rhythm. And that's a big thing that
we didn't see, you know, really much of in camp either,
was this offense getting into a rhythm, you know, stacking
play after play. It was often kind of stunted, whether
it was in practice or in the preseason game. So
makes make an easy pass, you know, make an easy play,

(01:47:40):
get things rolling early.

Speaker 4 (01:47:41):
Speed from Fresno, California. Thank you for your patients. You're
next from the Patriots pregame show fueled by Duncan.

Speaker 21 (01:47:48):
Hey, Matt, nice to meet you. Congratulations on it sending
the iron throne of the PrePost game.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
Thank you, nice to meet you, and thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:47:56):
What's going mind, Mike?

Speaker 21 (01:47:58):
I got I got your twenties of three shirt on now.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Oh there you go, you guys.

Speaker 21 (01:48:02):
I want to ask you guys about Gonzales because I'm
not quite sure where my expectations that him should be
this year, Like is it more like we're looking for
something like a second year jump or is this just
a continuation of his rookie year. What are you guys
expecting from him this year?

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
Thank you for the call, Speed and that is a
great pregame show question for week one, not just because
he was nice to be by the way, but I
think like that's an under reported kind of storyline going
into this year, Christian Gonzalez. We have all of three
games of a body of work to watch from him.
What are your expectations, Mike, I'm just hoping he slid.

(01:48:37):
I mean, that's really I want to overstate it.

Speaker 8 (01:48:39):
I'm not expecting him to be the number one shut
down corner, but I want them to put him in
those positions so we can really get a sense of
what he truly was, because I think even last year, Paul,
they kind of protected him a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:48:50):
It wasn't going I think that. But I think we're
like the only two, I mean, including Evan. Evan pushes
back on us all the time when we when we
talk like that my expectation. I think that the expectation
questions are hard because like what you expect and you
know when someone else might not, you know, think that
that's the same thing. But I think the way he
Mike put it, I expect him to be solid. I'm

(01:49:13):
not expecting him to go out and be the next
Deon Sanders, who's just going to take away half the
field and line up on everybody's top receiver one of
what well, I think a lot of people think he
did that last year to Mike's point, and I didn't
really see that on a consistent basis. The best play
that I saw him make was coming off of his
guy coming across the field basically as the deep safety

(01:49:34):
and catching a woefully underthrown deep ball by Tua. That
was a great play by Christian Gonzales, but it wasn't
like I lined up on Tyreek Hill and I locked
him down.

Speaker 5 (01:49:44):
You know he didn't.

Speaker 10 (01:49:45):
That's not what happened on that play. And I think
some people sort of think of that. I'm with Mike
one hundred percent. I expect Gonzales to be solid. I
don't want to have to worry about him at all
this year because I have, quite frankly, too many other
things to worry about than my first round pick, who
was really promising in that small sample that we got
to see.

Speaker 5 (01:50:04):
So I'm with Mike, all.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
Right, Matt, let's uh, let's roll out the Sunday six pack.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
This is the Sunday six pack. So kick back and listen.
I'm up position. I'm getting to getting the bits back.

Speaker 11 (01:50:15):
You better bring a big stack, get it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
Mixed check came to win again.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
This is the Sunday sixth bad.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
So, Paul, as you're writing during this, and I noticed
this during the over unders as well. Are you like
keeping score?

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
I do?

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
That's why we play the game. Why else will we
do it?

Speaker 5 (01:50:29):
But like you want to know why I do?

Speaker 4 (01:50:30):
I do? That's why.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
I am bad at numbers?

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Oh okay, so this is for Matt Morrell.

Speaker 10 (01:50:38):
Okay, this is so I I correct the scores on
next Sunday morning when I come in, everybody's record will
be adjusted.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Okay, that makes.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
That's a good end.

Speaker 6 (01:50:47):
You see a lot of cross on bound.

Speaker 5 (01:50:49):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
One o'clock games is where we're gonna start here up
in upstate New York, where the Arizona Cardinals take on
go to Buffalo and Rich Stadium. I'm still gonna call.

Speaker 5 (01:50:59):
It the stadium where there's two people that are listening
that know that that reference you and I.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
Where the bills or seven point favorites, I don't know. Again,
Let's go to Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
Go to Mike starts going to go in a rotation count.

Speaker 5 (01:51:11):
Call Matt.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
I'll get that by week six.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Or pall Matt, Mike, Matt, Mike, Paul correct.

Speaker 5 (01:51:17):
That's when it gets tough.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
So I'm gonna take Buffalo. I'll lay the points.

Speaker 8 (01:51:22):
I do have some questions about them moving on without
Stefan Diggs, but probably good for the locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
We'll see how it goes.

Speaker 10 (01:51:28):
I'm gonna agree with Mike, and I'm gonna go with
my Buffalo theory, which it is not necessarily foal proof.
But you know, like teams that don't often go to
Buffalo tend to have a really hard time playing in Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
How about East West Coast teams going east coast for
one o'clock games?

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
As simple as that.

Speaker 10 (01:51:45):
Yeah, Like, to me, it would be different if this
were the Rams. I wouldn't be picking Buffalo. Like you
know that that's a West Coast team that would be
going east. I just feel like the Cardinals aren't ready
to do that, and I just think it's a different animal.

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
So hold on. Just as an a side, do you
think that much of the Rams Rams are very good?

Speaker 11 (01:52:01):
Ye?

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
Okay, wow, all right? Game two on the slate. The
Jacksonville jagu Wires, as Phil Simms likes to call them,
are three and a half point dogs at Miami Paul
to kick it off.

Speaker 10 (01:52:13):
So I'm tempted to take the hook here, but I
will not. I think Miami's offense generally comes out of
the gate pretty strong. I think at home they don't
have that Mike, you pointed this out during the week
on Thursday. I don't have that big September in Miami
home field.

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
Advantage in this one.

Speaker 10 (01:52:28):
Because it's Jacksonville, they play in the same climate, but
I'm gonna take.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
The Dolphins and my next. That means me next. Okay.
I know everybody thinks that there's no carryover from year
to year, and I genuinely agree with that sentiment. I
think there's a lot of pressure on in Miami. Daniel
just got a contract extension. I think the owner has
come out and said he expects them to win. They
need to answer some questions as far as can they
play when the temperature is under sixty degrees. I think

(01:52:52):
they're gonna look at this and they're gonna lay a
big one on Jacksonville today. I like Miami Big.

Speaker 8 (01:52:57):
I like Miami Big two. You know, tyreek Kill got
arrested today. Nothing he hasn't dealt with before, So I
think they'll be all right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
I got Miami.

Speaker 5 (01:53:07):
Just the subtlety of that line really made me laugh.
That was that was very well done.

Speaker 4 (01:53:11):
Bo Nicks and the Denver Broncos go to Lumen Field
in Seattle, where the Sea Puppies are six point favorites.
Who goes here first?

Speaker 5 (01:53:20):
To go first?

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
I go first, Seahawks to see you know what, no
excuse me, Denver covers. I like Seattle to win the game.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Covers plus six.

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
Now I have a scratch out on my.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
I had a bet, so excuse my' that's why we don't.

Speaker 5 (01:53:35):
That's why we don't let morel do it. Okay, great,
don't even know what that means.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Seahawks kind of my my B team.

Speaker 8 (01:53:42):
When I was a little excited to see him next week,
but I'm gonna I'm gonna go see.

Speaker 5 (01:53:46):
James, the big, big Jim Zorn fan.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
Now Steve Largin, I think for Steve played with him.

Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
I just state reper Senator Largin, Senator of.

Speaker 5 (01:53:58):
Oklahoma, Oklahoma. Right, yeah, I am with Mike. I think Seattle.

Speaker 10 (01:54:03):
Ano the tough place to play, not a great place
for a rookie quarterback to be making his debut. I
think that defense we'll give young young bon Nicks a
lot of problems.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
Some sneaky heat. By the way, on Sean Payton this year,
I don't think anything's gonna happen if they don't play
well this year. But there are high expectations for him
to write that ship this year, and he better.

Speaker 10 (01:54:21):
You think that's why he's playing bon Nicks. It's lower expectations.

Speaker 16 (01:54:24):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:54:24):
I think that that's his guy, and we're I'm going
to sink or swim with Bonnicks. That's what I think.
Sunday Night Football on NBC, where Paul's favorite team, the
Detroit Lions, are giving three and a half to his
other favorite team, the La Rims, two of the media
darlings out there. I don't know how both of them
are going to be able to play in the Super
Bowl because only one team comes from the NFC.

Speaker 5 (01:54:43):
But PAULA, let you start, drives the bow cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
Sorry, we got to keep this.

Speaker 8 (01:54:51):
This is becoming a bit now, we have to keep
this going. I'm gonna take the lar plus three and
a half.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
I think it's a close game.

Speaker 8 (01:54:57):
I do think Detroit can pull it out, but I'm
gonna take the are But I think they're gonna lose
a close one.

Speaker 10 (01:55:03):
This is a really solid matchup. And I know what
Matt hates when any team that's like hasn't established themselves
for like twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
Years fifty but gets a chance to be good.

Speaker 10 (01:55:14):
He doesn't like that. You'll you guys will learn that
over the coming seventeen weeks. I'm going to take Detroit
at home, but this is this is a good, solid
matchup and I could see the Rams winning out right,
but I'm going to take Detroit at home my.

Speaker 4 (01:55:26):
Heart instead of my head here says that too many
boneless wings for Applebee band Dan Campbell, and I think
genius Sean mcvagh wins that game outright in Detroit Monday
Night football.

Speaker 10 (01:55:39):
Did everybody catch the hatred? That's the key to that
prediction was hatred on all levels?

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
Matt Morel. Why wasn't an over under Aaron Rodgers over
under five snaps when they take on San Francisco and go?

Speaker 5 (01:55:51):
That would be a likely to be earned incentive, Mike,
See what I did there?

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:55:55):
I don't know who goes first, So I go first,
j Ets, Jets and Trout. I'm the show, Glenn, I
go first, travel to the forty nine ers.

Speaker 10 (01:56:03):
Well another really good another, really good matchup, really good matchup.
I think the Jets have an argument for the best
roster in football. I do, But they have an enormous question,
well two of them, in my opinion. Number one, the
more important one is a forty something year old quarterback
coming off a torn achilles. The second one is I
don't believe in the coach, and that's no small factor.

(01:56:25):
I'm going to take the Niners at home. But I
don't think this will be the blowout that everybody else
is predicting for this game. I think that I think
the Jets will will show up and play well.

Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
My next another sneaky hot seat is the great Kyle Shanahan.
They gotta do something, and they got to do it now.
They need to take that great Rosta as Paul's talking
about Rostas and prove that they can win a Super
Bowl with it. I like the Niners to beat the
Jets on Monday Night Football, which brings us to the
reason why we're here.

Speaker 5 (01:56:54):
No nor a person to pick.

Speaker 4 (01:56:56):
Yeah, you know, I'm gonna need to write that out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:58):
I think to go through the all picked us. Sorry,
I'll take the forty nine ers.

Speaker 4 (01:57:05):
Okay, a lot of contention, all right now. The reason
why we're all here one o'clock in Cincinnati, when the
new look New England Patriots traveled to the orange clad
Cincinnati Bengals. Deuce, is you first on this one?

Speaker 11 (01:57:16):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:57:16):
You are first?

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
Okay? The I like the Patriots to keep this one
close in a close, hard fought loss.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
How about that? That sounds about right? I think, especially
with the guys who are out.

Speaker 4 (01:57:28):
Yeah, and I, by the way, and this is really
fence straddling. I think they got a chance to maybe
steal it here. There might be a couple of chances
here where the Patriots can steal it. They're gonna be
in this game, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
I think so too. I at least like it to
be close. I'm actually gonna take the Patriots with those points.

Speaker 8 (01:57:45):
I still think they lose a tight one, but I
think it's gonna be closer than eight and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
So I'll take New England with the points. I'm gonna down.

Speaker 8 (01:57:51):
I originally twenty to ten was my prediction this week,
with assuming Higgins was gonna play and probably a limited chase. Now,
with just a limited chase, I'm gonna drop that prediction down.
I'm going to say seventeen thirteen, didn't I say sort
of the same thing without the gambling jargon that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:05):
You just used there, I have the die jargon, Okay,
I think so, I say, parlay.

Speaker 10 (01:58:10):
I think that this game has a chance to be
reasonably competitive early. I just think the talent gap between
the two teams is enormous. I think once Joe Burrow
figures out, you know, if it's Trenton Irwin or Charlie
Jones or Mike Yoshivas, Andre Yeshivas, Mike GESICKI. He'll figure
out one or two of these guys that he can

(01:58:30):
rely on, and they'll pull away in the second half.
Twenty seven to sixteen Cincinnati.

Speaker 8 (01:58:34):
Okay, okay, all right, all right, that's what you think.

Speaker 10 (01:58:38):
I'm looking for. Yeah, And I do think the turnovers
are an issue too. For if I could see Cincinnati
turning it over a couple of times in the first
half too, And I think that some short fields to
make to get you to the game, to get the
Patriots to sixteen, I could see that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:52):
And what's what's the magic number for the Patriots offense, Paul,
What do they have to score to win?

Speaker 5 (01:58:56):
Twenty four or more?

Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
And you question whether that can happen?

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, I only picked a no no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:59:01):
Yeah, no, no, no. I just I wasn't married to your
pipe overall.

Speaker 10 (01:59:05):
Yeah, I think if you don't want to win in
the NFL, you need to get I think to twenty
four or more on a consistent basis. Now, you can
win seventeen thirteen opening week, absolutely right. They could win
the game today and the teens. I think the great
Chris Hogan predicted that a game. If the Patriots are
gonna win, they're going to have to keep it in
the teens. I think he wished the podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:59:27):
I think he's only involved in one, but it's one
of the ones that pops up in my feed, so
I don't know what that one is.

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
Excellent. Well, I'm excited, and I hope Patriot fans are
excited for a new era. You know. I'm excited to
see how Gerrod Mayo and company tackles this challenge of
opening week. We've seen the preseason training camp OTAs and
everything like that. It's finally time for some football and
I think it's uh. I'm looking forward to see how
the Time to Eat Time to Eat Okay four, Tamera

(01:59:54):
Brown four, Mike Guss for Paul Pirillo, I'm Matt Smith.
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