Bowl Season, CFP & Belichick to UNC

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
How's it going, guys, Happy holidays, and thanks for tuning
into this episode of the Phil Talk Sports podcast. Myself
Nick Rice joining you as Christmas approaches.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
That means only one thing.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Also that it's bowl season and we are smack dab
in the middle of it. Playoffs start this weekend. A
whole lot more going on, coaching moves and things of
that nature. We're gonna talk about it all to day. Nick,
Happy holladays man, Good to see you.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Good to see it. It means balls season, it means
NFL playoffs is around the corner, and it means random
podcasts have random campfires in their backgrounds. So I think
we're complete right about now.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, just be care If that fire gets any bigger,
we're gonna have to call the marshall because, like you know,
safety and all that. Right, Well, I'll keep an eye
on it since it's behind you. But very fancy, very nice,
for sure.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
So while my school nor your school made a bowl
this year, that will not stop us from talking about
them at length. So before we get into bowl season,
as they've kicked off a bit, the big ones really
start in about twenty four hours after we record this,
but my last episode was just a ongoing monologue of
just myself with the news that Scott Frost returned to UCF,

(01:18):
and I would not want to deny Nick the ability
to give his thoughts on that from a more unbiased
perspective than I tried to give, because I'll say this
now that it's marinated for about two weeks. It is
the reception to the from the fans way more positive
than I expected. I thought it was gonna be way
closer to fifty to fifty. I might be one of

(01:39):
the more negative ones, and I'm more of a wait
and see guy at this point, Like that's one of
the more negative opinions I've heard is my own. So
I'm just gonna say that I'm shocked that it's I
would say ninety ten as far as positivity for Frost,
and I get the emotions that come with him returning
and all that, but uh, you know, you had to
listen to me get all the details. I thought I

(02:00):
nailed it with GJ. Kinney looked like he was going
to be the coach. Then it looked like Liberty's coach,
Julane's coach. Partridge in a para tree and we end
up with Scott Frost returning. So what was your thoughts
when this even became an inkling that it could happen,
and then when it did happen.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, actually, real quick, I'm curious what your opinion, if
you have one, about why it's so positive about Scott
Frost returning.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's got to be the emotion.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
It's got to be just the like, he gets what
it takes to succeed here.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
He did it once. Now we have a bigger budget.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I see the positives, and I think people are choosing
to ignore that he's had one winning season as a
head coach. I think a lot of people are dismissing
the Nebraska failure, which is what it was, due to
the fact that, like, they have an NFL former NFL
coach there now that's still not succeeding. He finally made
a bowl game, their first one in like seven years

(02:56):
or whatever it is. We'll see how that pans out
when they play Boston College and Fenway. But and he
basically admitted in the press conference, which I'm not a
press conference guy. I don't watch that stuff. When guys
get hired, guy that fired. But this one intrigued me right.
I had to watch it, and he basically said without saying,
like I went because I had to go and my
heart wasn't in it. And it's very hard to do

(03:17):
a good job at anything if your heart's not truly
in it, especially you know, resurrect a all but dead
you know program as far as their their top tier
days as Nebraska would be.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah. So obviously if folks want to watch the full brand,
they go to your previous video, as I didn't and
thoroughly enjoyed it. In fact, it was a little shocked
at you know, I would never accuse you as being
too biased about anything except for probably UCF and the
measured response and the details I didn't even know about

(03:50):
was really intriguing. So check that out. I Actually, what's
funny thought about in the moment when you were going
through that initially about Jim Harball was kind of polarizing
in the same way that you were probably more negative
than most about Scott Frost getting hired. That was me
last year with Jim Harbaugh went on here and talked
about how he divides the locker room. He's really fun

(04:13):
for a while, but then he gets like wears on
the locker room and gets, you know, like San Francisco
gets to become a little bit of a nuisance and
with some other programs, and then you had the cheating
thing with Scott Frost. With's ironic is I think in
the end he might end up having a similar impact
at UCF, considering the fact that he may be a

(04:33):
little more polarizing and doesn't necessarily while he does have
like a resume of winning, isn't exactly regarded as as
like one of the top elite head coaches and as
you thought of other coaches there. But he knows how
to win there, just like how Jim Harball like a
glove fits right back into the NFL, knows how to win.

(04:54):
And yeah, there is something about how when you return
to your same room and when you know the same
area in terms of how to recruit. I think that
plays an impact too. So I think the fans are
right to be positive. But the funny thing about these
coaching things, and while I think it may end up
working out for UCF, it is a little bit of
a craftshow. Like it's amazing how many times I think

(05:17):
a guy is gonna be good, or a guy was good,
and then in a new situation he's not, so you
know it should work out, but I guess we'll wait
and see.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
My other big thing is like how often does this
happen that a guy that has success left in such
a way is able to return to a school. And
it's funny that in the same coaching cycle, Rich Rodriguez
is returning to West Virginia and he was the coach
when like Pat White, Pat McFee, Steve Slayton, Tevon Austin,
all those guys were there. So for him to return,

(05:46):
it's I assume it's a similar thing in Morgantown. Mac
Brown at UNC prior to the new hire that we'll
talk about later, Like that was a homecoming of sorts
for him after leaving for Texas. So when you zoom out,
it happens more often than I originally thought. So that
calmed me down a little bit too. And one thing
that blew my mind because yeah, he's been gone for
eight years, but it feels like three weeks maybe because

(06:08):
like Scott Frost is fifty years old now he will
be when the season starts, and even mentioned in the
press conference like I'm the same guy I do, I'm
a little bit wiser I'm more reserved now.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Prior to this, you know, you mentioned.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
A coach at the other LA team, But prior to this,
he was working with Sean McVay in you know, with
the Rams, and I find it hard to believe that
a coach with any sort of talent doesn't benefit from
spending time with Sean McVay. He was an offensive analyst.
I think prior to this coming up, Scott was not
gonna get another head coaching job. He probably wasn't even
offered many other coordinating positions. I felt like his new

(06:43):
goal in life was like, I'll work my way up
the NFL ladder, maybe become an offensive coordinator in the NFL.
I think if you asked him like three months ago
what his professional plan was that it was probably that.
And we learned what was kind of a pretty well
kept secret that he UH interviewed for the offensive coordinator
job twice for UCF in the Gus Melson era, and

(07:05):
he pretty much said without saying this big twelve transition
might be a tough one. I don't want to burn
my second chance here being caught and fire for you know,
a transition squad. So that was why he's like, thanks,
but no thanks. It ended up working out this way.
And I do think he was only here for two years,
so even the first time he didn't have there was

(07:27):
not time for his message to be stale. But you know,
other than that, he's he brought Mackenzie Milton and as
a quarterback coach, that alone is gonna garner some.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Some good faith from people.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
And when you mentioned like I think he has a
chance to have success, I think we need to have
a conversation, not necessarily now, but in general, what success
is gonna be. Are we that team that has eight
and five seasons and maybe they have a nine to
three every four or five years, has a ten win season,
wins a conference every once in a What to me,
that's success. I think the ability to like, we can't

(07:59):
all be O High State that falls backwards into eleven
and one seasons. Like, what I think is success is
you know that eight nine, ten win team wins bowl games,
goes to bowl games. We had not missed a bowl
game since twenty eleven until this year, so this I'm
sorry twenty fifteen. Of course, oh in twelve season, but
that to me, that'll be success. That'll be making bowl

(08:20):
games consistently winning them, making the playoff one possible. But
other people and this might even happen, you know in
your circles, was like San Diego State. I'm sure you
would appreciate that level of success with the Aztecs, but
there's people that think, no, we got to move to
the new Big twelve and we got to be winning
that Big twelve and we got i'm.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Sorry, the back twelve making the playoffs, and.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
People and you know, people like yourself probably well, let's
calm down, let's look at this successfully. So the homecoming,
you know, this whole season is going to be I
do think it forces our fan base have patience, which
is something we haven't had in several years, because they
know it's a full blown rebuild. It's not oh and
twelve before and eight ain't that much better when you
look at, you know, the breakdown of everything went. So

(09:03):
it's a five year contract. The goal I think is
by year two or three to be Bowl eligible. Maybe
in the first year hopefully, but it's a grind. It
won't be a quick The first thing you said at
this prest conference was I help people don't think we're
going undefeated next year. So he you know, he walked
to the elephant in the room. And the only things
that I would be negative about is you know, you

(09:24):
know me long enough, Like I hold grudges, I don't
let people that did like I'm gonna I have a
good memory, right, I tell elephants things they forgot, And
that's some of that petty yes, but like it did happen.
So if everyone else is gonna only talk about the
good things, I feel like it was necessary to bring
up the bad things. But I think a big key
to this is athletic director Terry Mahadra. It was not

(09:47):
the athletic director that was here at the time Danny
White went to Tennessee and then he hired Josh Heipel
to Tennessee. I don't think this has a chance of
happening if Danny White's still here, because he would feel
the way I feel. He seems like the kind of
guy to hold a grudge. Terry mahdgre could at least
go at it with an open mind, like I know
what you've done here. Let me meet the guy. And
now he apparently has now had a relationship with him

(10:08):
for three years because he's interviewed him two other times,
so it's it's all wait and see. I was just
shocked at the ninety ten thing. I feel like I'm
still one of the more negative opinions on it. In
my opinion's not even that negative.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, no, for sure, But you know what the kids
used to say, or I guess what the kids are
now calling being a hater. Back in the day, it
was just keeping it real, man.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah that was our saying.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
For sure, that's right. But to go back to your
point earlier about how you know, it does seem like
now we're seeing more coaches return to their alma mater,
and guys that are rising up the ranks aren't necessarily
like NFL coordinators and stuff. To me, that speech to

(10:52):
today's day and age and where I think it'll violence
out in a few years. But I do think that
there's less cod coaching ability now then there was five
years ago. I think the amount of good coaches out
there is less. So maybe Scott Frost was in the
top three of UCF's look and Search, but he would

(11:12):
have been top five five years ago. Considering a lot
of coaches aren't interested in dealing with the transfer porter
on nil stuff that is like a real thing where
now that deturs coaches that deters guy's saying, I'd rather
go to the NFL or shoot be a coordinator, stay
in high school versus being a head coach in the
college games. So I think that's part of it too.

(11:33):
In the end, they probably would have hired Scott Frost
either way, but I would have assumed that there would
have been more demand for all these college programs five
years ago versus this year.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
I think it's a big, great point that there are
even if it's twenty percent of the pool have said
no thanks. I'm good with the way college football is
right now. And in five years if they if college
football gets its wits back about it, maybe half of
that twenty percent dips their towl back in. But for now,
it's thanks, no thanks. It's exactly why Nick Saban retired.

(12:04):
He made no bones about the fact Mac Brown while
he wanted to stay at you and see that's why
he has no intention one he's seventy two years or
seventy three years old, but he's like, I have no
intention of starting that grind again due due to the
way things are. I kept some friends that you know,
because I'm pretty locked into this. Some friends that also
went to UCF that like they want to know what
was up, but they weren't like actively looking for the information.

(12:26):
My biggest opinion too, was like, this might end up great,
this might end up just okay, but you will not
convince me that he was the number one choice. I
think somebody said no at some point, maybe multiple somebodies.
I think, you know, Pat Summerl was courted from Tulane
by at least three or four schools.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think we were one of them. I think he
told all of them no.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Whether that's because they couldn't get the number right or
they couldn't get the nil number right, I think that's
one that definitely did so. And but this happens all
the time when you hire someone. You almost never get
your number one guy, but once he's there, you gotta
act like he was your number one guy. So that's
not you know, that's not new. So I don't think
this was like the grand plan, and I throw it
out there one more times. As bad of a failure

(13:08):
as a scott or the gusmells On era ended up
being post his first year when we beat Florida. He
really did do ucf FA solid by leaving stepping down
taking another job. I have to pay him no money. That's
twelve million dollars that he walked away from. Granted, he's
doing fine where he's going and all that. As far
as monetarily, I don't know how they'll do on the field.

(13:28):
But so that was a great way to like, we're
not shackled it because how how many programs do you
know are paying their past two fired coaches trying to
get you don't have to deal with any of that.
And we're one year away from finally getting our full
big twelve pay check, so financially things are looking up.
And I say that I'm as quick to compliment as
aim to criticize, and vice versa.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
He definitely did a solid He admitted I'm a big
self aware guy.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
His self awareness said I'm not the guy that's gonna
pull fix this program. So let me get out when
I have a little bit of dignity, I still have
a name value, and I can just go back to
what I like you, and that's running offense. I thought
I was the guy that can handle it all. I'm
the guy that can handle this very well. It's very
much I felt like Chip Kelly with the Eagles. I
always equated him to a really good chef. But no

(14:13):
matter how good of a chef you are, doesn't mean
you can run an entire restaurant. Like That's I kind
of equate some of these offensive minds to that.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Sometimes it's the Sean McVay that.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, I'm a great chef and I can run the restaurant.
You know, there's plenty of guys like that, funny that aren't.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah. You know what is curious, because I brought up
coaching is like a crap shoot. If you were to
ten years ago look at a vacuum of Scott Frost
and Gus Malesan and say which one's going to perform
better in their role? I think almost everyone would have
said the former Auburn coach, the guy that's been, you know,
shining in the in the college ranks for a long time.
But you know, sometimes it just comes down to, especially

(14:52):
now with how competitive the transfer portal and recruiting is,
it just comes down to maybe Malzan wanted a handful
of guys and just struck out on all of them,
and maybe he just didn't get a couple of good
recruiting classes, and that's all it takes, especially as you're
moving to the Big twelve between being you know, a
ball eligible team to where you guys were in the

(15:12):
last couple of years. So it could just be that.
And you know, I'm curious why, you know, with Scott
Frost tapering expectations, maybe he realizes this roster's not close
right now and he's gonna need to you know, get
some singles and doubles and recruiting the next couple of
years to do good and move up the program.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, there was always this like he would recruit pretty
well and just not play the guy. He doesn't matter
how good he is if he's not on the Yeah,
he had these weird and then like his biggest swing
and miss was kJ Jefferson the quarterback, because clearly he
likes a certain type of quarterback. He's been chasing Cam
Newton since twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen, whatever he's been looking for,

(15:52):
and they don't make Cam Newton's anymore. They barely made
the first one because he had to leave and go
to junior college and come back right, So, like talented
in one of one as he is, even.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
He almost didn't get his shot.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
So I think chasing the next, Cam Newton came back
to burn him eventually. That's a big thing. And we
saw you know, if you spend a bunch of money
on nil quarterback and doesn't work out, that's recipe for disaster.
We saw it in Tallahassee, we saw it in Orlando,
we saw it in a few other places.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
This year.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Ohio State, to their standards, I think their nil guy
isn't what he was cracked up to be, even though
they're still.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
In the playoff.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
You know the guy they got from Kansas State. So
it really translates to figuring out what the landscape of
college football is now. And you see it in these
bowl games where the craziest story to me, I'm sure
you're caught up on this or at least seen some
of it. But like, Marshall won their conference, they won

(16:48):
the Sun Belt, they didn't rehire their coach. This guy
goes to Southern miss who's like at the bottom of
the conference. He just won forty plus kids transfer and
Marshall doesn't even have enough kids to play in their
bowl game.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
And this is a team that won a conference.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
So to me, that's because that was gonna be one
of the best non playoff bowls out there was gonna
be Sun Belt Champ Marshall versus American Champ Army. That
was gonna be great. They got Louisiana Tech and they're
a five and seventeen. I think just because they're local,
because it was the Independence Bowl, which is in Louisiana,
so that was one of the ones.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Looking forward to.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
But where do you think we're just going to talk
about bowl games as a whole for a couple of minutes.
I might highlight a few here, but outside of the playoff,
where do you think Bulls are going to fit into
the future if they do it all?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Well, you know, I brought up on this show that
what they need to do is kind of shorten the
gap between conference championships and the bowl games and stuff
like that, and I think what they wound up doing
is just stretching out the back end. So now the
playoff is going deep into January. Bowl games still started
at the same time a couple of weeks later. But

(18:01):
I mean, it's just it's just an absolute clown show
right now. To think that a school can't field a team,
there has to be a change. I don't think anyone
is arguing that the system we're at right now works.
So that's the first thing. And then the second thing is, yeah,
with bowl games, you know, and the lack of attendance

(18:23):
over the years, especially you know, with some of the
ones in these kind of obscure places, I do like,
like you said that they're starting to go to baseball
stadiums it is kind of neat and some other NFL
stadiums for these bowl games. It does add a little spice,
But yeah, there clearly needs to be a change. I'm
curious what exactly you could do other than shorten that gap.

(18:44):
Especially teams that don't make the conference title but make
a bowl game, You're looking at almost a month off,
and I think that is just ripe for players saying, yeah,
let me get ahead, start on next year, forget about
the bowl game of preparing for it, especially because one
thing I watched just the other day, our California high
school just had their state championship and a lot of

(19:08):
elite players in those state championship games play that game
and then they are on the practice field for their school.
There's an offensive lineman for d La Salle, last name Johnson.
Forget his first name, but he's projected to be a
top ten five star recruit and he signed with Oregon.
So yeah, he's gonna be you know, on the field
and on the sideline for the Ducks next week or

(19:30):
whenever they play. So the fact that guys can already
see their replacement on the sideline, I think is more
incentive for them to transfer to go to a place
where they can play. So it's just a total mess
right now, is what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I think you're onder something there for the teams that
don't make conference championships, Like that pool of teams are
just sitting there. So let the bowl games that are
gonna pick from that pool anyway just start picking and
scheduling so that maybe like that probably cuts a week off,
maybe a week and a half off of that like
low period that you're talking about. So I think you're
onto something there for sure. And as the entertainment point,

(20:11):
like the football is never as bad as people claim
it are with with these like oh no, the past
two nights like the LA Bowl with last night UNLV
and CAL like that game ended twenty four to thirteen,
it was much It was actually much closer than that
up till the end, UNLV had a great year, cal
decent year first year in the ACC, which you'll never
get used to that a California team is on the

(20:32):
Atlantic Coast Conference.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
And then the.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Frisco Bowl of the day before was a shootout West
Virginia and Memphis forty two to thirty seven. Those two
in particular, you know, I watched a good deal of those.
I'm not gonna claim that I watch every Bowl, but
those two in particular, I've watched it over the past
two nights. So you have to have a reason to watch, obviously,
that's what it comes down to. Like you may have
checked out a UNLV or something, maybe you caught some
of their games this year, like you would want that

(20:55):
reason to watch. But from the entertainment standpoint, some of
these bowls are figure it out like as cheesy as
it is and pun intent like the Cheese a Bowl
gets people talking, the Pop Tarts Bowl get people talking.
That Mayo Bowl where they dump mayo on the winning coach,
I think they should dump it on the losing coach.
That's just me personally. Yeah, I don't know that you'd
agree with that. You lose a game and you gotta
deal with that at least, if you're gonna get mayonnaise

(21:17):
all over you, it's because you want a football game.
So I guess I see the difference. But those you know,
are starting to And then there's ones with like tonight
or I'm sorry tomorrow at noon, Ohio versus Jacksonville State
and the Cure Bowl. That one is a great cause.
All the proceeds go to, you know, cancer research and
all that. That's played out here in Orlando. That is
the only bowl game that has two conference champions playing

(21:40):
each other. So some of these some of these bowls
have figured it out. Some of them haven't. So I
think we need to, like, we need them all to
have a purpose. They need it, whether their location is
the draw, the gimmick is the draw, the sponsor is
the draw, because I feel like that's how it used
to be, Like the Hawaii Bowl used to matter because
kids got to go to Hawaii, and then Bahamas Bowl
is the same way. So you need I think the location.

(22:03):
Every ball needs have a reason for being. They shouldn't
just exist. I think that's that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, I agree to them all that one point I'd
like to add, if the NBA players that All Star
weekend tried half as hard as the college football players
do in these bowl games. I think they wouldn't be
changing their format. So it goes to show that, you know,
the college football game, the players want to play in
the bowl game. Except for you know, maybe a couple.

(22:30):
That's another thing to talk about, like, hey, you signed
a contract, you should play in your bowl game. Not
rest for the NFL, but in general, the effort is
there and the ideas are there, like you talk about
just some of the other ulterior motives, you know, some
of the other things kind of they need to work out,
but overall, still an entertaining time of the year.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I mean, if you like football, it's hard to not.
I'm not saying you're gonna like every bowl, but some
of these teams just deserve it. Like the one as
we're recording that's on tonight. It's the New Orleans Bowl,
not a huge deal, but it is played in an
NFL stadium, so they got that going for him. Georgia
Southern Sam Houston State. Anyone that knows Sam Houston State.
Their first year in FBS football, they went nine to three.

(23:14):
They deserve to play in the postseason. On some level, right,
that's incredible. Their coach did leave to go to Temple,
so that's part of it too. And I think a
big thing because we've mentioned the way the portal is now,
which I think they're working on this, there's not going
to be this early portal anymore. It's going to be
after everything only in the spring. Because guys are opting out,
like you've heard the story of the backup quarterback for

(23:36):
Penn State, Guys are opting out of playoff games, and
that's just not what this should be about. As we
jump to playoff talk, this is our first year with
the twelve teams, and not that this is surprised anybody.
People are arguing about the seeding, who got the buys,
who got this stat and the other I do think
it's flawed because ironically the number one seed got rewarded

(23:59):
with like the toughest path in the playoff in my opinion,
right So, and if when you look at it, to me,
Penn State has the easiest route, not that any of
these teams are easy to be, but to go from
SMU and then Boise State, they can potentially kind of
cruise right into the final four. So I think one
of the issues with this is they need to reseed

(24:20):
each round. I think that will eliminate that a little bit,
so that the number one seed always plays the worst
team remaining seeding wise, But overall, do you think this
twelve seed, this twelve team is where we're going to be?
Do you think we're expanding? We're never gonna go backwards.
Part of me thinks we overexpanded. I would have been five.
We've said this for as long as I've had this

(24:41):
show that if you do six or eight, but you
have to win your conference, your conference title games are
now playoff games, it says, but where do you where
do you think we go from?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Are you happy with what this first year? Looks like?
Everything's a work in progress, But what do you think
for sure? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
No, I was cool with you know, six or eight
would have been fine, nothing beyond that. So just like you, Yeah,
the twelve feels like a lot. But I really don't
think we're gonna expand. And that's not just wishful thinking,
but I really think there will come a point when
players start to complain about the sheer amount of games

(25:16):
they're playing. So I think there'll be enough chatter where
going beyond that, adding around would be a lot so
but yeah, no, it's very exciting, and like you said,
I think it's amazing to me. The NFL or the
NBA does this too. Actually, the NFL, come to think
of it where it's not just top versus worst if

(25:37):
certain teams win, because it's a bracket. It's not like
a seeding thing. And I think that's I don't know,
I see the benefits of it. You already you know
your path before you begin your path. But it does create,
like you said, weird quandaries where ben State doesn't really
play a top seed for a couple of rounds while
other teams play them since the get go. So it's

(26:00):
got its flaws. I think that will probably say because
it's the same across the board, but I would go
back to just reseeding every round so you know, if
I'm a top team, I'm gonna be playing the worst
team every round and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, again, it's current iteration you want your team to be.
I think it's like the five and the six seed,
like that's that's that sweet spot that you're kind of
getting at this point and you're always there's always gonna
be teams that people are mad that didn't make it.
I mean, in a few months, we're gonna have a
basketball tournament that has sixty four teams and then sixty
eight with the play in round, and there's still gonna

(26:34):
be that graphic of the first four teams out, and
those fans and schools are gonna be upset about it.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
So you're never I think.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
That might get expanded. I got got feel they're gonna
figure out a way to add playing games on the
playing games.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
But yeah, just but it's case in point that no
matter how money you get, there's always gonna be those
people that just missed it. The seventieth team in college
basketball gets to play victim, and we're that way right
now with the thirteenth and the fifteenth you know, college
football team.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
So it's right to be fair when.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
It comes to the basketball thing. One you see crazy
upsets and you know, non top four seeds of one
quite a bit. But also there was I think in
basketball the voting was kind of wonky. I think we
all agree that the playoff rankings were about where they
needed to be. I'll have an opinion on some teams

(27:24):
in a moment, but in general, like In basketball, there
was a team that I think KEMPOM ranked like twenty
fifth and they missed. I think it was the Indiana
If I'm not mistake.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
There was a team that was like clearly good enough
and it was Indiana State.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Indiana State. It was like twenty seventh their ranking and
they missed it. So, you know, outside of that, I
think there's enough teams.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Like you said, so, given everything that we just talked about,
who do you feel the best about in this playoff
this year?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Actually one more thing.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Before we give winners, the top seeds don't play in
the first round. They get to buy That makes sense,
but the first round games are played at home, So
you are denying the number one seed a chance to
play one of these games at home.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, and here's.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
The thing you've added for the fan.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I don't care how big of an Oregon Ducks fan
or Penn State fan, you are not gonna do that
home playoff game. Then fly to Arizona for the Fiesta Bowl,
then fly to Miami for the Orange Bowl, then fly
to wherever the national championship is four weeks in a row.
I love my team. I don't got the nobody's got money,
like that like maybe a thousand people have money like that.

(28:36):
In case in point, Penn State's home playoff game this year,
you know, they have one hundred and ten thousand in
that stadium. They're only I say, only seventy thousand people
are going to that game.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's for Penn State.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
That's an embarrassment, Like they can't sell the tickets because
there's people that are gonna go to this because it's local,
which makes sense, but there's others that are like, I'm
gonna save my money. I hope they win the first
round so I can go to the Fiesta Bowl or
go to the Orange Bowl wherever they get sent. So
that's gonna You're gonna wear out your fan base too.
It's like, you know, when the Lakers make the playoffs,

(29:07):
do you go to a first round game or do
you hold off to see if they go to the
conference championship or the finals?

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Right?

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah? Pick uh.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
It's like if you're going first, I'm not going the
rest of.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
The way exactly. So it's just a little bit of
that too.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
But yeah, so if you have if you have favorites
or anything, go for it all right.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
So I like three teams to win it all, especially Oregon.
They've got their next Justin Herbert there and Dylan Gabriel
seems to be playing even better now as the season
goes on.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
But i'd hope so he's like twenty eight now.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, you would think Arizona State, they're very talented. I
think they could go on a big run and they've
got to buy and then Penn State to your point
because of the way that the bracket worked out for him,
and also you probably know this, but their quarterback draw
all are just announced. He's gonna return next year, yep.
And that to me bodeswell this year, ironically, because it

(30:03):
does feel like a handful of guys when they announced
they're going to the NFL, they're mentally no longer playing
for the university they're suiting up for. So I think
that bodes well formed this year. And then I got
one team I really don't believe in, and that's Georgia
Number two. Georgia because of their schedule, getting crushed by
Old Miss, losing the Alabama didn't make the playoffs, and

(30:25):
then needing eight overtimes to come back and beat Georgia
Tech was another funky game that they won. So while
they are the number two seed, and I guess winning
the conference they won gives them that right to buy
It does feel like they were a little overseeded, and
I think we'll see that when they play the winner
of Notre Dame in Indiana, where they're you know, having

(30:46):
a drag it out state title game there. So really
like Oregon, and I'm pretty comfortable picking Arizona State and
Penn State going on a big run.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
It's funny with Oregon. Everything's lined up for Oregon for
the reasons you just mentioned, but they are the Penn
State in modern time and Oregon of all time are
like the Buffalo Bills of college football. Right, they get
close if they had a time where they're kings of
their little quadrant but can't quite pull it off. So
it's like if Oregon, if it don't happen now when

(31:17):
type thing for them. So I think they have a
little bit of that if not now when situation going on.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Looking more at the bracket.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I agree George is probably over ranked, right, but they
they're basically telling you, look, we left Bam out.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
We're not going to accurately rate two SEC teams.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
They got to overrate somebody and yes, that Georgia Tech
game was crazy, but you know how many times did
they say it on TV the rivalry week?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Sometimes you do have to.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Throw the records out. And Georgia Tech had a sneaky
good year anyway, baiting back into last year.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
So they they're better than they were.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Expected to be and Georgia wasn't quite as good as
they were expected to be. Here's another flawed in this
current system when you talk about, you know, the biases
of things. Notre Dame in this current format can never
get a bye because it's the top four conference champions
and they're not in one. So that's one thing that
people need to understand too.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
That right, But on that point, the one benefit of
this format that we were talking about is that they'll
have their first ever home playoff game, so they've never
had that before. And there obviously the playoffs just started
a couple of years ago, but they played first played
in eighteen eighty seven. I looked this up earlier today,
so one hundred and something years they get to host

(32:30):
a playoff game. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Well, that's like during the COVID year when they were
like a friends with benefits with the ACC like they
were a part of the ACC and you know they've
been playing for however many years. Usually just said and
for the first time, so and so is a conference
player of the week because the first time they were
playing in a conference. That's right, that's funny how that
works out, and funny enough for that game for them
to be playing Indiana, that's like a you know, it's

(32:52):
another in state school. So that's pretty wild that that
might be the atmosphere of the first round. To me,
that may be the coolest one to watch. Ohio State, Tennessee, Texas, Clemson,
those will be interesting. Texas is kind of in a
like they weirdly like if there's a real script being
written here that QB gets hurt and arch Manning takes

(33:12):
him on a run, you know, like that's if they're
writing scripts, that's how that's gonna go. But back to
my original point, the Penn State and Oregon thing, like
they're set up for success, but you need to see
them get over that hump to actually believe that's gonna happen.
It's a very like Cleveland Cavalier type like they actually
finally did it, no matter how many times they were

(33:33):
close to it. So those are definitely the interesting ones.
I don't blame you for for hyping up your son
devils because they just because people didn't expect it doesn't
mean it's not legitimate. Like they did everything they did,
you know, even though no one expected that to happen
that way, So they just I was really happy that
they snuck in that fourth spot. I thought they would
easily give it to like the second. I'm surprised they

(33:53):
let Texas slip down there.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
That's I'm very surprised about that.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
But that's Hey, if you're you're mad about it, get
to their place and beat them, you know. That's what
I look at that for sure.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
I mean, realistically, I do think Texas shouldn't have been
a top four, So I think that was pretty accurately rated.
Penn State, if they are to win against SMU, would
play Ashton Gent and Boise State, and to me, that's
the game to watch the next round, Penn State and
Boise State. That would be an all time great matchup.

(34:23):
But Ashton Gent could end up if they count the
playoff yard, which could be the leading yardage rusher in
the history of college football. So that's gonna be a
really fun story. There. But yeah, like you just look
at some of these playoff matchups. We didn't even touch
on Ohio State in Tennessee. Both of those teams are

(34:43):
capable of going on a run too, So it is
kind of interesting, you know the amount of teams that
are in there where we could see some crazy college
basketball type stuff this year where you know, a lower
seed goes on a run.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, I mean, someone can be the Baltimore Ravens of
this whole thing win it as like a ten and
six type team, So that's that's very possible. You mentioned
Genty there a few times. Do you think he should
have been Heisman the Heisman?

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Oh for sure, Yeah, for sure. I will say that
it is really unfortunate because not only was him winning
the highest Travis Hunter winning the Heisman, but him winning
the Fred Belinnikoff Award, which was another thing. He didn't
lead the nation and receptions yards or touchdowns, but he
won the whole thing. So that was pretty frustrating. You know,

(35:30):
nothing personal with him, but yeah, Ashton Genty had a
phenomenal year receiver from San Jose State. I think was
good enough to win that award, the Fred Belinnikoff, So yeah,
Ashton Genty was top ten in the nation in rushing
touchdowns and if you compare him, I'm talking him as
an individual with rank top ten among all teams. Yeah,

(35:53):
so you just look at stuff like that, it's it's
really unfortunate. But not only did he won, Travis Hunter won.
But ironically, if I'm not mistaken one the peer vote,
you think it'd be backwards where yeah, you know, the
media hyped him up so much, but I think people
just saw Travis Hunter doing a we've never seen this

(36:15):
before event. And you know, I like Lebron too, but
it's the same thing with Lebron where it's like, oh
my gosh, he's we've never seen this before. It's like, yeah,
but Ashton Genty, while he didn't technically do you know
something we never saw before, he was the best player.
I mean, you know, so all that in mind, I

(36:35):
think he should have won. But you know, Travis Hunter
also had an outstanding year, so let's not, you know,
act like he was just an average player.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, it wasn't that he shouldn't have been in New
York or anything. But Ashton Jenny led the team, led
the nation in rushing number two in rushing was Aston
genty after contact.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
So that you know.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
But as far as the Barry Sanders record, something that's
really important to add context to that number is not
include his bowl game in conference championship performance. So that
number is like three hundred something yards more than the
number that's being because they only picked I think they
picked in the mid nineties to start adding postseason games
to your stat I feel like you could easily separate

(37:15):
them the way the NFL has your playoff records and
your regular season records. This brings up another question that
sparked on Twitter. For me, I still call it Twitter.
Do you think the conference championship should be counted into
the Heisman? Is the Heisman? Do you view the Heisman
as a regular season award? Because I do?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, same here, especially by this point, I think I
think switching up the rules is kind of funky, and
especially because not everybody plays this, you know, conference championship,
just regular season stats, regular season being the award is
just fine. I think this opens up the door to
a playoff type awards system or that would be fun

(37:56):
to see the playoff you know, best player of the
playoff for whatever, I mean, you see it in college
basketball where you have the tournament MVP All Tournament team,
So it absolutely can happen in the playoff too.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I mean the NBA has this problem where like the
regular season MVP award is given in like the second
round of the playoffs, right, and then like like Jokic
is clearly supposed to win it, but then he gets
knocked out in the second round, and people are like, he, oh,
he didn't deserve it.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
He got knocked out in the secon round. This didn't
that wasn't about that.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
That should have been given two a month ago to
him when the season ended, you know. So it's similar
to that in my regard. But I do think jench
probably should have won it. I get the and I
think it's more the we haven't seen this. The last
guy that did anything like this won the Heisman. I
think that's what a lot of people, you know, are
looking back to it. But it'll be interesting to see

(38:47):
how this play. I think there is more of a
cluster than they want to admit for this. I'm happy
they left Alabama out because you can't have all this
convoluted stuff and that extra.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Bias on top of it.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
We're always gonna argue about the seating unless you have
a concrete way to seed everybody, and they really don't
at the moment. But again, that's why six or eight
would have been better. Your conference championship are playoff games
easy enough. That's all that you know. I've been saying that,
how I'm gonna be doing the show twenty seventeen, been
saying that since twenty seventeen. So manfore before we get

(39:18):
out of here, we talk coaches in a little bit
and out of everything that I don't know if this
is Yeah, this is probably more surprising than the Scott
Frost return.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Like the shock of the year.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I want to give you half a point of credit
here because you said that Bill Belichick would not coach
for a year and then take another head coaching job
you implied to be in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
No, I I said, uh, he would retire. Actually that
was my alright, that half a point.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Well, you get that point.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
They didn't do anything for the year, and then at
the I don't see him. I think he's retired from
the NFL at this point, because by the time you
finish this point, I'll take right, right, But how surprising
is this to you? I have a lot of different
ways I want to attack this. The one I want
to get out there first is because I've listened to
like the Boston people give their opinion.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I've watched like the college people of the NFL people.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
There's a handful of the narrative that's like, well, Belichick
was blackballed from the NFL and they didn't want him back,
so he had no choice but to do this. And
I'm like, is this the same guy that's had like
multiple cheating scandals and spent the last two decades of
his life coaching on the asylum with his middle fingers extended,
The way he treated everybody that wasn't right under his

(40:33):
nose and some people that were right under his nose, Like,
this is not a guy that gets to play victim
about anything. Granted, I want to you know, he went
to UNC because that's where his dad coach. At the
press conference, he had like a sweater that his dad
wore back in the fifties when he coached there. So
this means something to him. He didn't just pick a
random school. Is it's random if you don't know the details,

(40:54):
but like, this place means something to him, So I
give him credit for that. But this thought process that
like poor build and get another Like when you piss
off everybody at a company, don't be surprised when you
don't get offered a job at said company, right.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Even if you're the best employee at that company. Yeah,
I don't care. So I look at this first of
all from like like if you have a kid who
grows up and is starting to get into the dating world,
and you know, this kid is like, you know, I'm
old enough now I want to date. I'm looking for,

(41:29):
you know, a nice woman, college educated who's got her
life together. And then six months later you see that
kids dating like a convict, like, oh, she's in jail,
but like, you know, she'll figure it out soon enough.
It's like that to me is like the Bill Belichick
thing where it's like, what, literally, no detail about this
job is makes sense considering the personality that you are

(41:52):
and the age that you are. Man, I mean, are
you that much in denial? But this is just like
out of a dystopian universe, man, And That's why I'm intrigued.
And I don't exactly have all these predictions with him
anymore because I don't understand it so well. We're just
gonna sit back, wrap our popcorn and watch what is

(42:13):
a real, real weird year coming up and college football
for North Carolina. The one prediction I will make. I
don't know how good they were last year, but they
should be pretty good on the field. So it's just
is he going to burn out after a year or two?
You know? Are they going to flame out at some point?

(42:33):
Is he going to quit? I think those are all
potential possibilities because this is just like the strangest news
of the year by a mile.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
You gotta give credit to North Carolina though. They went
to Mac Brown and said, Mac, we love you, we
like everything you've done for us, but we got to
get younger at head coach. So they showed seventy three
year old Mac Brown the door and hired seventy two
year old Bill Belichi. So you gotta give credit for
sticking to your principle that I'll give them. But you know,
this story only gets weirder. There's the like, if he

(43:05):
quits after July first or June first of this coming year,
his buyouts only a million, It goes from ten million
to one million, so he can quit before coaching a game.
And you know, for anyone that would care to get
Belichick will have the million dollars to buy him out.
And the part that doesn't get talked about enough of this,

(43:26):
there is a clause in this contract to whenever he
does hang it up, that his son, Steven Belichick, who's
on his staff already, is the coach in waiting. So
this seems flagrant to me that he's setting his son
up for a head coaching job that he would not
have been qualified for prior. I mean, yeah, after leaving
the Patriots staff, he's been a defensive coach at the

(43:46):
Washington Huskies, so maybe he's gotten decent, you know, over
the years, but like, clearly not power five head coach material,
and I feel like that's not being brought up enough.
Clearly that's what this is all about. Similar to like,
why is Lebron Stone playing? He's he made no bones
about it, at least of like I want to play
with my son. That only went so well, although he
did drop thirty in a G League game this year,

(44:08):
so stick that for that.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
But yeah, that needs to get talked about more. That's
clearly what this is about.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Now, does that mean he coaches one year, two coaches
the whole five and they do the transition in the
fifty year but long term, and by long term, I
mean the five year plan. Does this work? And what
is this working to you? Similar to the Scott Frost's question,
what is this working?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Did they win the ACC?

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Because you got to look at like Miami just mortgage
their entire future to get a pop Tarch Bowl bid
this year, So we know what their sealing now is.
No matter how good they make that team with as
long as Mario crystaballs there like they're a nine maybe
ten win team. Florida State a lot of digging to do.
Clemson's still there, but they're not what they were. But

(44:50):
they's you know, they're the top dog. And when that's
the top dog, it's very obtainable. So is winning the
ACC in football for the first time in probably twenty
five thirty years?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Is that the goal? Right? Like? What is this working
to you?

Speaker 4 (45:04):
I think because the ACC might be weaker than it
has been in years, you know, just think of Clemson
and how they dominated for a while, it is to.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Some degree up for grabs. I don't feel a confident
about this as I did the prediction last year that
he had take a year off or I guess in
the case of Bill, you wouldn't get the job he's
looking for. I think they will within three years win
the conference. I do. I do, but I believe that

(45:34):
with a total grain of salt. I don't have much
confidence in that. Wouldn't put ten dollars of a bet
on that. But I think if I had to choose,
he would. He will win the conference because he's so
good that the name brand now North Carolina. North Carolina
football has always been solid. They haven't been like, you know, Rutgers.
I guess is the team I can think of where

(45:54):
it's like if they go five hundred, that's a success.
Like North Carolina is a solid football I think Bill
Belichick can lift that and he they can win a
conference with him. But yeah, like you said, having the
sun in there, I think that's you know, hopefully the
contract doesn't say you got to keep him for five
years paying a bunch of money or probably something.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
It's probably I like that, it's probably the.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Security's not too good, because yeah, I think that's a
potential disaster. But for the short term for North Carolina,
I think they're gonna really turn things around.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
And let's not pretend to that, Like he didn't pick
like a Rutgers, like you said, like North Carolina, granted
they're always gonna be a basketball school, this is still
a school with Jordan money, right, it's the even in
the sense of football and college athletics. It's a top
twenty recognizable brand. I think like if he did this
at Duke, I think, like Duke football was historically atrocious

(46:53):
in the nineties. They went nine and ninety in the nineties, right,
that was after the spray're left. So I think out
of the two as a good example, like North Carolina
football was always going to have a better chance than
Duke football for whatever reason, because they have similar resources
for the most part.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
So this is not.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Like like if you're building a new dynasty on college
football twenty five the best selling sports game in American
history by the way, that was announced this week.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
So crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
You finally build a game that people wanted for a
decade and it sells crazy.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Right, Yeah, if you were if you were creating.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
A dynasty mode and you pick North Carolina, that's not
a one star school, that's like a three star school,
and in a good year, like a really good year,
that they're like already a four star school, so he's
not scrummaging at the bott like people have said years before,
like if he was going to take a coaching job,
you think you'd pick like a service academy because that's
like more his speed. Like if the Navy job came

(47:46):
up this year, like would that have intrigued him potentially? Right,
So this is wait and see, just make you want
to watch North Carolina at all this year?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Will you turn this?

Speaker 3 (47:56):
This does feel like, like you said, if he was
the head coach of the pan Ans, it's like, yeah,
the Patriots have a level of discipline there. But from
that aspect, I think it's also kind of weird. But
to think from NFL terms, this does feel like he's
signing up with the Patriots in the sense of before

(48:17):
Belichick got there, the Patriots for about a three and
a half star NFL program, It's like, yeah, they made
the Super Bowl. Sometimes they were fine, but you know,
he turned them into a juggernaut program. So, like I said,
I do think they're gonna, you know, really succeed, especially
because like you know, people are saying, oh, you know,

(48:37):
the recruiting pitch is not all that strong because he's
so old. But to me, I go, like, I think
the pitch is actually better in college in a way
because that demanding culture kind of fits more in college.
NFL guys don't want to be told, you know that
I could cutch you and all that stuff. So it's
amazing how it work there. And then second of all,

(48:59):
you know, Bill Belichick clearly has the coaching ability to
send a guy who otherwise wouldn't be in the NFL
to an NFL contract. So that is going to be
very enticing to a lot of high school and junior
college and transfer guys to say, hey, I can win.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Right now in true Bill Belichick fashion. The first transfer
that he locked up as a guy from Holy Cross,
So he's still on you know, whatever tip Because that's
that's the big argument, right, Like his drafts have almost
never been good, So how does that translate to recruiting
When you do have the lay of the whole land,
you don't have to wait to No one can pick
your recruit before you if you were good enough to like,

(49:37):
you know, So that's the whole argument. We'll see how
that all shakes out, but it's to me, it's very similar.
The only NFL team that he was even linked to
in his first year off was the Falcons, right.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
We know for the.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Fact that he interviewed for the Falcons, all the guys
that made that decision had to write down their top
three candidates, and none of those people picked Belichick in
their top three. So but had he picked the Falcon,
it's pretty similar set up. Like you're saying, winnabul Division
not terrible three and a half stars. So he didn't
pick the worst team, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, Like I said, you know, Bill Belichick, I think
we quickly forget he is in my top five all
time NFL coaches. I think we sleep too much on
Vince Lombardi. You know, people like to throw Andy Reid
in there very quickly. Bill, Bill Walsh, I love him.
Joe Gibbs all time phenomenal head coach, and Bill Belichick's

(50:32):
right there, all time, great schematics guy. He's incredible. Do
your job, you know, not just tactician, but also just
to get guys motivated to play after winning a Super Bowl,
to come back the next year and play like they
have for twenty years. It says something he knows what
he's doing. He's gonna go to North Carolina. He's gonna

(50:52):
be the greatest coach they ever had. He you know,
he's gonna be the greatest college coach you know of
twenty twenty five. I don't know, because there are differences
about how to coach college kids versus NFL kids. But
he's gonna go there and immediately be a huge boost
in coaching. And I assume they're gonna get guys from
not Holy Cross but other guys and transfer portals from

(51:14):
bigger schools. No offense to his first recruit, and he's
out there in the corner with his hands crossed, like, yeah,
go and sign the dang paper now. So but yeah,
like huge boosts in coaching, even though the whole story
is the weirdest thing of the year. And then you
add in the girlfriend, you know, it's like, oh, you.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Get the younger generation better than we thought apparently.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
So that's right, Yeah, that's right. Is he gonna get
a scholarship there or something? So yeah, just the whole
thing's weird, But in the end, I think there they
will win a title in a couple of years in
the ACC because he's that good. And then you know,
I guess maybe his son's going to inherit. A great
program or a great team with a lot of potentially

(51:57):
could help him out for year one.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Any close thoughts on anything else before we get out
of here.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Chargers and Broncos at the time of our recording are
playing tonight. Looking forward to the Chargers potentially locking up
the playoff spots would be a lot of fun, and
I'm sure we'll have an NFL thing around the corner.
But like I said before, the Chiefs are thirteen and one,
but I think they are very vulnerable. I'm not gonna
go as far as I forget who said. I think

(52:25):
it was Paul Pierce, which is funny. They're one and done,
like I got my football fork in the round that
you know, I know what I'm talking about. But I
do think their chances of three peating are very much
in Jeppard. I don't. I don't think it'll happen.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
I mean, I don't know about you, Nick, but when
I need like really good NFL insight, the first account
I'm pulling up is Paul Pierce.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
So you know you were right. You were right to
beat the truth.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
You know what I mean, I always be truth, So
that's true.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
That's gonna do it for us, guys, Happy holidays. Enjoy
the bowl game, and we'll see bowl games, and we'll
see you in the new year, twenty twenty five. It's
gonna be good to all of us, so we'll see
them