1007 - Pop and Bravo with Gibson Johns

Mary Payne talks with Gibson Johns (Gabbing with Gib) about the latest with Kelley Wolf and also the show "Hunting Wives". Of course we chat about the latest episode of The Valley and Jax's future (or not) on the show. We break down what Katie is doing wrong on RHOC and we chat Guerdy/Julia and Marysol/Adriana from RHOM.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's Thursday, so that means it's pop and Bravo and
I've got a good friend here to talk about pop
culture and mostly Bravo.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
And it's Gibson John's Hey Gibson.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hey MP, how are you good to be here?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Grea great, so good to see you and your cute face.
You just fresh off the beaches of Nantucket.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I am, I am. We go. There's a family every year.
Very blessed to do that, and uh just roasted for
two weeks. You know, I needed it.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know, I'm obsessed with Nantucket and I talk about
it all the time, and it didn't happen for me
this year. But Nantucket is on the twenty twenty six
Darcy A.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
And when you go, you know that you have I
can do your whole tenerary for you.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's exactly right. I know, I've got I got my
own Nantucket travel agent.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yep. Yeah, note free of charge, so.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Oh thank you. I didn't even think you would charge me.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
But the pictures were out. Every time we see your
pictures of like the old jeeps and everything. Just because
I read all those books about Nantucket, I'm like oh,
I want to go so bad.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, it's it's just as like charming and quaint as
it sounds and looks. It's just it's our favor a
place in the world. It really is.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
It's just is it crowded though? Is it crowded?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
You know? August is much more We go in July.
August is much more crowded, and it is crowded, but
we stay in town, which kind of makes it so
like parking is as much of an issue because like
if you stay out of town, you can drive in
and then find parking. We stay in town and we
walk everywhere, and then you have to drive to the
beach obviously, but it's definitely crowded, but you find ways

(01:49):
to just like we have it. We had sort of
a well oiled machine for us when we go there now,
you know, Yeah, we know when when to make the reservations,
where to go when, and it's just we haven't figured out.
But August it's definitely the most crowded, I think, and
we avoid that if we can.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, okay, Well, whenever we were thinking about going, it
was going to be like in May, because I was like,
I'm gonna do like May or September.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
So the weather's still okay, but it's not zillions of people.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
But I also want to make sure things are open
because I know here on Balted Island in the off season,
you know, the hours aren't so consistent.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, I've heard that September is an amazing time to
be in Nantucket. I've heard that it's like very optimal
because things are open still, but it's there's lots of
a rush obviously, and it's still very nice and warm.
May I think is like a hit or miss in
terms of weather, but it's definitely not as crowded, so
take your pick.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, when I get around to January twenty twenty sixth,
that's when I start my That's when I start my
planning frenzy, and I'll I'll be waiting.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I'll be waiting for that text message.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Okay, Okay, Gibson, let's talk. Are you following this Kelly
Wolf situation on Instagram?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
So okay, So I don't know if you know this,
but I write for E News A couple of days
a week. I write news articles for them. I get
a signed things basically, and I just churn out articles.
And I when that was first happening. I wrote a
few articles about that for them, because I honestly didn't
even really know who they. I was not familiar with them,

(03:21):
but I there was like that Instagram live off for
getting arrested, right.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Or something Richard that was one of them.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, but I have not kept up with it in
recent weeks. What's the latest in that.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, she still does a lot of she still does
a lot of lives. And it's a lot of grandios.
You know, I speak six languages, I have a degree
in nuclear physics and psychology, and this it's a lot
of grandios. Like everybody loves me, nobody's ever not liked me,
and yes I kissed So's husband and she doesn't like

(03:53):
me anymore, but she's only one of ten people in
the world that don't love me. And yesterday I beat
a twenty seven year old in the foot rate and
this week, I mean, you're like.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
What, huh huh.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
And then she did have the police here in the
last week going with her to her home where she
was trying to get in to get her things. So
now it was where people were commenting under it like
go girl, da da da da. Now twenty thousand people
may watch it, but nobody comments. Nobody ever comments, And

(04:26):
this one where she had the police and was trying
to get into the house, it was like taking the
screens off and like trying to get in the house.
Her son, who's like fifteen sixteen, wrote under it, this
is literally insane, Mom, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
And that's hard?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, that's hard. I feel like that people know not
that's when you know. And also the people not commenting
tells me that like everyone kind of knows. It's probably
like a mental health situation that's happen unfolding, and it's
like you kind of can't look away, but also like
you don't want to say anything like too insensitive or
too like yeah, you know what I mean. Like it's
kind of one of these things where it's like it's
she's putting it out there, right, but.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Like NonStop, non stop, Yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
What do you what do you actually say?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
In response to it, right, today's post, which was probably
one of the least sensical ones, she says a lot
of nonsensical ones, but at least like the grammar is correct.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Today's post that I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
When I saw this morning was pretty nonsensical with bad grammar,
and she is again for the second time, calling on
Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt is somebody she calls on. She
hadn't called on him in a few weeks, but she
started calling on him today.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Were they connected in the past, Do we know?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
No, she doesn't know.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Okay, So it's not because it's not like, for example,
like with Britney Spears, like she will she'll mention justin Timberlake,
She'll mention Orsina Aguilera, like here and there, but that
those are people there. It's sort of the implication there
is that like she still holds on to some of
these things from the from like twenty years ago or whatever.
But it clearly Kelly Wolf is just sort of grassing

(05:54):
and it's sort of random.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
And then another thing she was saying today was like, oh,
I'm just you know, I'm ready to get married again.
Giddy up, who's gonna I don't like to be single?
I mean it was you know, it's like that.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
And she just got but didn't she just get divorced from.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
And I don't even know if they are divorced actually.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Right, it's like that. It's like that was like a
fresh split I feeling. And now that's dark.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's it's dark and it's rough, and it's sort of
like I got kicked out of this hotel and I
couldn't believe it. I've been coming here for twenty years,
blah blah blah. And then the next this is my
favorite hotel in the world. They do everything for me there.
They feed me champagne in the morning, and you're like, well,
you just said you got kick huh.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
So it's it's trying to make sense of it and
there's no point, but it is. It is a lot
of This afternoon, I'm going to buy a property because
me and my family we preserve property, so we buy
properties to preserve the land to get them back to
their people. And then the next thing she'll say, I
have twenty three dollars to my name because my husband's
cut me off from all my accounts, but that afternoon

(06:51):
she's going to buy a property.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
So it's sort of like yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
And then she'll also say like, oh no, like we're
me and the aftergot the guy's name. We're good, Like
we're we're not like, but clearly there at odd's clearly
there's there's they're not good, right.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I believe he is one of the people that have.
She's been on psychiatricals now twice and I think once
was like her family and friends, and then once was him.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
And I think the one that.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
He did was because we saw a live where she
had her daughter in the car and was like looking
out the front window of the car like into the
woods and was like, we're going camping, and the daughter
was clearly like hiding under a blanket, like don't show me.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
It was.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
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get like supervised visitation and stuff like that. All right,
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Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
But what's interesting is she is a psychiatrist herself.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Oh is she? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
And she'll say, oh, they said that I'm grandiose, and
I'm this, and they said I'm that, and I'm bipolar,
and I've been called this, and I'm a drug addict.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
And da da da da.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
She'll say all these things, Oh, this is what they
say about me. But then she talks about herself in
this grandiose fashion and talks about she doesn't do drugs,
only this certain kind of mushroom by this doctor. And
it's just sort of like you can't make heads or
tails of it. But I think I'm watching it to
see if it turns out okay, because like for a while,

(09:57):
remember when we watch Katie Ross.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
For a while, Yeah, I was that. She came to mind,
for Sureanda Vines comes to mind. Some of the people
who are like sort of sort of in real time
we're documenting these like clearly like mental breaks. But yeah, yeah,
and in some way and in some ways, if you're
like watching it, you're almost like keeping her eye on
her too, you know what I mean. It's like, yes,
you know, any kind of sick way, it's like okay,

(10:20):
but like she's putting it out. She's putting stuff out there,
like if something goes on, like people are going to
know immediately.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
You know, people know where she is because she's constantly
posting at all times. She is in real time. And
the Katie Ross thing, though, I was always like, today's
going to be the day she's going to do a
post that says, actually she's been five days sober or what.
And then it did come and she was sober, and
I don't know if she still doesn't know she just
said she married somebody, but it did come where she

(10:46):
was like, you know, it's been really hard, I'm today.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Sober, where are were like okay, good. So that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
What I'm hoping is going to happen with this Kelly
Will thing. There's going to be some kind of redemption
to it.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah. I hope that she stops going live for like
a little bit and then she comes back she's like hey, guys, like, yeah,
I've been at a facility or something, because like I mean,
two psychiatric holds. That's intense. And it's like, yeah, okay,
maybe yeah, maybe they should maybe they should get her
some like more long term help.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
But they can't hold her after a certain amount of time,
do you know what I mean? Because there is unless
they fifty and fifty her, unless they fully put her
into her conservatorship, like you can't hold somebody. She just
gets out and walks around town in her cowboy house,
and oh my.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
God, I just think about I mean, maybe maybe maybe
it will take something from the kids, you know what
I mean. Then they're they're clearly they're under age, and
it's I feel bad, but like maybe they will get
to her and be like mom, like you really need
to get help, Like this is not normal.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, I think anything like that has been Like, well,
you don't know, because I'm a therapist and I have
four degrees and I speak six languages and I have.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
To do and you're like to get through her, yeah,
hard to get through.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Okay, Now what shows are you watching that are not Bravo?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
So I us watch Hunting Wives. We watched that in
Nantucky with my family, we ate that ship up.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Okay, but when you watch it with your family, I've heard.
I haven't watched it, but I've heard it's a lot
of sex.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
It is a lot of sex. But whatever, like we're grown,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, I would, I would. I'm just very I don't
want to marry.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
It's very over the top and soapy and like it
knows it's ridiculous and it leans into it and like
we were laughing along, we were all s rivetted. It
was just like kind of the perfect sort of soapy
show for me. Yeah, and I don't normally watch like
the really big Netflix, like you know, fictional shows, but
this one just I love Malan Ackerman and Britney Snow,

(12:40):
the two leads of the show. They're great, and it's
just it's like and also, there's not enough sex on
TV anymore. Like it's it's it's good sexy. It's good
sexy to me. I just finished watching that. I watched
season two. I think it's called Bright, Happy Shiny People
or Bright Shiny People. The first season was about the
Duggers and sort of the yeah, yeah, they were the

(13:03):
cult thing. They were a part of yeah, and there's
a new second season of that. It's just three episodes.
It's about this thing called teen Mania, which is like
basically this like kind of this Christian group for young
people that was in the nineties and it was huge.
They have like thousands, thousand person conventions, like these huge events,
and they like recruited all these young people.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
To like it wasn't called teen Mania.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
It was called teen Mania. And then there was these
there were the events were called like Acquire the Fire,
I want to say, and they like they made them
look like super cool. It was basically like an antidote
to or like a direct reaction to MTV and MTV
culture and like how that was sort of like poisoning
the minds of teens and so like these kids would
grow up in these churches and be told that MTV

(13:49):
like they would basically they would ask their parents to
like take to MTV off their TV because they were
so scared of it. That was how they and so
it was basically a direct reaction to that. Then there
was like this university they could like after they ground
from high school, they could like forego college and go
to this training center place and they it was basically
like unpaid labor. They paid go to this place to

(14:10):
learn kind of it was under the guise of like
mission trips and like helping to be like sort of
training to be like a really good, like kind of
accolade in that way. But then they basically were just
there and they would like pay to be able to
like be part of a call center or do manual
labor or whatever. And it was kind of this whole
build up thing. So it was three episodes. Very interesting.

(14:32):
I love like a coal Tea Me Too series, so
that's a good one. It was the first one was
about the Douggers and so it's sort of like like
tangentially related. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so same idea. Just finish
that the other day, which was okay, yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Right, I don't have time to watch anything right now
because I'm covering so many shows. And one show we
were recovering Match Me Abroad. I thought it was six episodes,
but it's fourteen, so I was.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Like, well, crap, and now we're always you know, we're
in it. We can't like quit.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
So that and now covering the Valley uh episodically and
thank the Lord, that's almost over.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
That I'll take.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
But then Love is Blind UK is coming in and
we're covering that we covered.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
And season one was so good. I love of Love
is Blind UK. The last season was, and so I'm
I'm hoping this one can be as good. God, Love
is Blind is such an undertaking. It really is.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
It is an undertaking. And then so when they dropped
the four, you know, I get the screeners to the
four ahead of times, so I have to record pre
record four episodes when I'm already this. I told my
family we were coming to the beach this week. I said,
this week I have to record eleven episodes. And they're like,
we're at the beach. I go, Love is Blind stops
for no one.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, yeah, I said.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I'm sorry, but I will be glad when the Valley
is off my plates.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
It's a light Bravo month, which is kind of which
is kind of nice because it's been it's been a lot,
Like it's just it's really just O C Miami to
the Valley ends for a little bit here.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Do you know when Salt Lake is coming back? Because
we've seen some some trailers and some previous.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah, I feel like it must be like mid Septembers.
My guests like early, Okay, I gotta be my guess.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Maybe they'll give me screeners. They did give me salt
like screeners last year.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Maybe something is.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, because you know, I have to beg every time.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
And I did ask for The Valley and was like, look,
I'm covering it episode by episode and I would love
to get it on and they were like nope. And
then I asked another time just if I could get
one one episode early because I was traveling, and they
were like no, It's like, okay, Well, I.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Think it depends on that. I think it really depends
on the show, honestly, because I don't know. I don't
really it's there's no kind of no rhyme or reason.
I don't think I get the Valley screeners. I get
OC and Miami. I want to say, right now, it
goes in and out of what they of what they give.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, so I know, well, I just I've decided I
just continue to lower myself and beg.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
And then I said, there's no shame in the game.
Whatever it takes, whatever it happens. Now.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Speaking of The Valley thoughts, so what we were thinking
we were watching it was something happened during this Renie
to say, Okay, absolutely, we're going to fire him, Like
we weren't thinking we're going to fire him, but now
we're going to fire him, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
So we're kind of like, what was it?

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Well, in episode one, you know, all the other stuff
we knew about breaking the furniture and the raging out
and all that all along. I mean, we on my show,
and I'm sure many other people in the world thought
something physically happened that they're just not saying, but you know,
domestic violence between the two of them. That wasn't the
coffee table, which was bad enough. And so finally she

(17:44):
did say, well, you know, you threw me into the
bushes and no I didn't. And they're all, literally every
single person was like, we've seen the ring footage. If
you love cameras so much, you should know that it's recorded, right,
So that was the first thing that he said, and.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I was like, Okay, I don't know if now.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
That's been said, if they can get past that.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
And then this week he said.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Towards the end, he sort of was doing the whole
like my show, my show, I mean, we'd seen them
already do it that time when he said my show
until Zack said wasn't for the last month, which was hilarious.
And then we saw the preview for the coming week
where he said where they said, you told us that
you fired everybody on the show because they got a

(18:29):
better edit than you. He's like, what, I don't have
that power, and they all go, we know. So I
was like, okay, so that's another thing he did. He's
once again trying to say it's his show and he
has editing power.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Right totally, No, I I I think it has a
lot to do with the rosebush thing. And it's like,
if you think about it, like they easily could have
edited that out. They clearly didn't want to harp on
it because there was no follow up to that, which
was kind of shocking, Like it kind of lands like
a thud if you're if that reveal is going to
happen and we're not going to follow up on that,

(19:01):
like you put you were pushing her into a bush,
and like, also, it's like that's one incident that was
caught on camera. How were there other incidents that we
don't know about? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Because she's really been trying to protect him to protect
because they both earn money.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Think so too. And I also like there's obviously an
element of like, yeah, I think Britney's sort of dealings,
she's reflecting on everything that she's been through with Jacks,
and I think that that is something that she had
confided into her friends with And I'm so curious if
there are other things like that, because with this group,
I feel like, in particular, there's a lot of like

(19:37):
we know things they know about that's like are we
going to bring that up now? You know? Are we
gonna you know, like that happened a lot with Janet,
that happened with Jasmine and Zach. There were sort of
a side thing that happened on this past reunion where
she was like he said, or she said, like go there,
you know, like oh.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
She said, she said, don't stop go there.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah. Yeah. I was like, there's I think there's a
lot of it like go where, go where? Yeah, And
they've all known about the spring Foots. They didn't bring
it up this season, and you know, because there was
clearly enough to incriminate Jack's at that point in my opinion,
but Brittany brought it up herself all.

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think they are going to bring up the season finale party,
Michelle's Zenn party where he was so clearly on something. Mmm,

(21:38):
I hope so vodcast he was ordering straight vodka, right,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I I hope that Joax gets everything that's coming for him,
Like I think that they're like it's he just can't
feel like any of this this behavior is rewarded at
all or he is going to be kept secret at all.
Like what what are you protecting at this point? You know?
And Yeah, the steroids thing interesting because I feel like
that wasn't really part of the conversation until this reunion.

(22:03):
I want to say, like, I.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Don't why did no follow up on that either?

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, And I'm also like that roid rage is the
thing that people that we've known about for a very
long time in general, and like that could explain or
that that could be fueling some of the anger that
we see in him or that we've heard about from him.
And I would love to explore that more because I
don't that feels like something we don't talk about on
these shows very often at all. And if he's if

(22:27):
that's part of this equation with him, like I'd like
to go there. I want to know. I actually want
to know more about that. And I want to, you know,
because we talk about the cocaine a lot with him,
and he talked about on this part of the union
as well. But like the steroids is an untapped thing.
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
When she said, are you a say a Roways and
he said, no, I'm not. Now we remember back on
Vader pump roles when Dassi would get mad at him
because he's always using that protein powder yeahtuff, and she
was mad. And when I tell you that, when you
see him on the show, and then if you watch
the after show, he is so huge his it's his
shirt is straining like he's huge on the reunion.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
His jacket barely fits on the reunion. And that's not
like that's not like a shaming thing. It's just sort
of like his clothes don't fit him like that, like
he has bulked, he has bull bolt.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
He said he gained thirty pounds. I think because Gana
said she lost seventy pounds. He was like, oh, I
gained thirty pounds. But it's like he's not fat, it's
and we know he said, you know, we had an
app at one point, at some point.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
You know it's muscle. It's a blow. It's muscle blow.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Basically, yeah, well, you know, so many great points were made,
and I really like this pregnant, calm Kristen, you know,
who's just sort of like to him, calmly, and she's like,
why can't you look her in the eye? And she's
every she's like, why can't you lean on if you're
you need to go to a therapist to find three

(23:50):
things you can do before you rage out and text
somebody like she's trying to help him. And so Kisha,
who I record with, has never watched vander pump roles
at all. So she's coming in the valley just fresh,
and I was like, I wish the one every time
christ is trying to help him. What I really want
you to remember is these two banged when they were
in a very close friend group and they were they

(24:11):
were best friends, and they all banged each other.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I was like, so they these people have history, yeah, history.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, and she had. She has full license in my
from my point of view, to say whatever the fuck
she wants to him, you know what I mean. She
can check him, she can take him down a peg.
She can, I think Kristen Yea, more so than anybody
other than Brittany, can say whatever the fuck she wants
to Jacks.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I do love it whenever Zach just chimes in from
the end of the couch. I said, what we needed
was his little face in the corner of the screen
like a commentator yet all times, because he would be like,
I fucking hate you? Or does anybody believe.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Like the People's couch, like built into the Valley Reunion, He's.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Just like, why does anybody believe him? It's just uh.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
And I felt bad because Jasmine has like no storyline,
you know, And I don't know if they're I don't
think they'll get rid of her because I think she's
just a part of their friend group.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
But I.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Zach has made himself more of a main character, and
it's not her fault. She doesn't have a storyline, but
like she's got to get something going for next season
if she wants to stay on.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
You know, yeah, I totally agree, And it's I think
with Jasmine, there's been this weird thing this season of
like she had this experience with Danny, and I felt
as though for a while there on the season that
story was sort of being told for her in a way,
you know what I mean, Like it wasn't. She finally
got a couple of moments to tell that and to
share her perspective, But like that was after a while

(25:37):
of like other people talking about that a lot, like
kind of on her behalf. So that and that was
kind of the biggest thing she had going this season.
You know, we had a we had a little peek
into her relationship with with her fiance, but like that's
pretty much it or her I forget are they are
they engaged or they're engaged? They're engaged, right, They're engaged.
So maybe we get more of her relationship next year.

(26:00):
And I think that her fiance seems like a nice woman.
She doesn't seem like particularly like made for reality TV necessarily,
But I do think that they need to find something
more for Jasmine to do that's beyond this thing with
Danny for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, and it was stupid, like she showed Danny and
Nia a house that was smaller than their apartment. I
was like, what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah? I also and I will say though, like what
encourages me about her is like when she did have
that sit down with Danny and Andy kind of gave
her props for this as well on the reunion, as
like she presented her point of view extremely well and
extremely clearly, and it was it is a point of
view that's not represented very many other places on Bravo,
and so like it's just inherently in that idea, like

(26:49):
Jasmine's worth having around, but they just need to like
figure out a way to like really kind of bolster
that because she has past reality to be experienced. She
was on the Bachelor, so it's like she knows how
this all works, but she hasn't. She hasn't she hasn't
felt completely comfortable yet in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I can't remember what show I heard it on, but
somebody else said she was on the Bachelor and she
was on something else, and I was like, she spilled.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
To was a bachelor in paradise. Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Maybe I don't know. I was like, wow, look at her.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, well all right. So do you think Jacks did
leave his bar on his own volition or it was
like his contract was up and they didn't renew it.
And then he's trying to say he's working on his
mental health because he wants to get this job back.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
There's no way he left on his own volition.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
What's he gonna do with all that merch?

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, what the merch? He needs the money. That's that's
the point of pride, you know what I mean? I mean,
does I always come back to the fact that first
season of The Valley he made some comment to Schwartz
of like, you know, everybody says when you open a bar,
a restaurant, you're gonna you're gonna get divorced, But fuck it,
I'm so like he basically was like, yeah, fuck it,

(27:58):
I'm still gonna open it. Well a year later, look
look where your marriage is. No.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
I believe he said that a lot. He said about
Tom Sandoval. He was like, yeah, I mean, you know,
when he when the scandalval was going on, Jackson sort
of making the rounds on shows and podcasts and stuff,
and I think it was on Juicy's goop.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
He said, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I mean I told Sandival, like, you're doing the two
things that will kill your relationship, open a restaurant and
being a rock band. Those are the two things that'll
kill your relationship. And there he's doing one of them.
And you know, if he started a rock band, it
wouldn't surprise me either.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Oh my god. I mean, at this point, it's like
he doesn't have the show, he doesn't have the bar,
his cameo. You know, what's he gonna do?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, I guess cameo.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I guess he could like lower his price a little
bit and do it them involved.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
You know, hey, Mary Paynt.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
He could be he could go back to his other
dream job of being a social media manager for a
regional hockey team in Florida.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Remember that's right, that's that's a job that was never
a true So yeah, yeah, he's so great at social media.
Spelling is always so on point and he never messes
that up at all, so that yes, he's wanted to.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Look for it.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
And he doesn't have any burner accounts like Jack's Taylor fans.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
You know, he's a legend, so Denise Richards.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Okay, so this is speaking of dark this is also
getting darker. I think generally people of the world in
general can agree that we believe Denise and we don't
believe Aaron.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah. I believe Denise on the physical situation, in the
abuse situation. I absolutely believe that. I don't think she's
like making up the fact that she has black eyes,
Like there are photos. Yeah, and she pointed to that
time when she was on her red carpet and she
had her brutal she had forgotten to hide the bruise
on her arms. Like they're clearly like that was happening.

(29:49):
That's very clear to me. I think one thing I
do believe Aaron on is that she was having an
affair with this guy from Special Forces.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, that's probably true.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, likely. I don't think he made I don't think
he made that up. And he did, but like now
he's out here, like he gave all those photos of
their text messages to the Daily Mail, and like that
feels icky to me, like just like kind of texting
them to the Daily Mail editors that fields. Yeah, so
he's trying to play them. He's trying to play the
media game as is she. But he's not gonna I

(30:19):
don't think he's ever gonna really convince me to be
on his side, you know. I'm mean, I'm team Denise
in this.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, there was something that came out in the last
couple of days about her going over to one of
the homes that she owns and to get her dogs,
and that his parents were afraid of her, and that
she found out that she found out that he put
down one of her dogs without asking her.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I mean that see yet, No, that.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
That was one of the reasons she went over there
to get the dogs was because she found out that
he put down.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
One of the dogs. The fuck.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Maybe that dog was really sick and it was time.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
But it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Doesn't you let that You let her know the dog
is really sick And I'm taking.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Oh, oh my god, that is that's insane.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, and so that's why she went over there, even
though she's not supposed to go over there. Yeah, she's
not supposed to go over there, but she owns the homes,
and she went to.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Get her other dog for fear of what would happen.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Of course, Oh my god, that's disgusting and I totally
believe he would do something like that. There there's always
something in there, you know, with him, and like, yes,
like that a flip could switch with him, and we all,
I mean we don't rehash it, but we all know
the scene from from when he was on the show,
and like it's just, yes, none of none of this

(31:38):
is surprising me. Yeah, but it does make me sad.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
It makes me sad too, But I mean he seems
to be sort of a conspiracy theorist and people are
following me and you don't know anything about pharmaceuticals. And
it was interesting when she had her her once he's
in Denise and the wild Thing show. She was saying,
like she goes to get Boto because only twice a year.
She's sort of afraid of, you know, plus and surgery stuff.
And I was like, I can't imagine Aaron would let you.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Gets but tucks at all.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I know, it seems like that would be such poison.
He won't even let you take an.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Advil yet, such a good point.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I was like, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, anyway that's going to play out and it's going
to be messy, and I will tell you I just
listened to Emily D. Baker podcast and she did a
whole section on this, the back and forth between the
two of them, and from a law standpoint, it was
pretty interesting. Yeah, and his her whole thing was him

(32:37):
releasing nude photos and stuff from her computer that he took.
You know, that's that's California has the strictest revenge porns.
It doesn't matter if it was for public consumption to
go and only vans where people were paying for it.
If it's like unreleased stuff and he took it off
her computer and was posting it, then he's in like
more trouble than you can even imagine, which he did

(32:58):
that too.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
And yeah, I mean, so I was shocked at some
of the stuff that we're in those photos from. Not
shocked because she sent them to somebody really, but more
shocked that he took pictures of them and sent and
put them in the media like that was But see, that's.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Where you get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
That's the whole thing with like Thomsonvaul and Oriana and
her taking the video of Raquel even though tom had
taken the video. It's like two people took I mean,
you know, it's just like, yeah, I'm gonna tell you something.
I think we need to all go back into the
dark ages, no phones, no texting, just just see somebody
and say something in person. That's probably a good idea,

(33:33):
but on these shows, because listen, we're still at Miami.
We've got the same thing happening in Miami with Gerty
putting out the text message, which.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, what are the text messages even say?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Is it just like thanks for coming on the boat
with me and why didn't I have a seat and
he had cancer?

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Actually I interviewed Gerty last week, and Okay, in her mind,
like the contents of the texts weren't really the issue
necess like the it didn't really matter what it basically
it was proven. I guess her point from like whatever,
the cruise thing, which I don't even really care about.
I think it's a way too convoluted and old, Like
it's literally from the end of twenty thirteen, like let's

(34:12):
move forward, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
No, not twenty thirteen, twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Three, sorry, twenty twenty three, yeah, because I was like, what, wow,
twenty twenty three, I'm not yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But
she was basically like yeah, like it was wrong place,
wrong time, but she she activated me and I just
needed to show that I was I was right and
didn't whether it weren't like incriminating necessarily, that has proved

(34:37):
her point about whatever this cruise thing was, which nobody
really cares about.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Right, So yeah, I will say that last week I
talked to tests and brooke a psycho legal pop about
what was.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Going on in Miami, and one hundred maybe ten people.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I was gonna say hundreds maybe ten people, but several
people wrote me, and somebody.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Even wrote me today.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I was like, I just listened to it, and you
forgot to mention that Julia threw the glass of water
at Gerty.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
And I did.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I forgot to mention that because I was like, I
don't quite even understand where the fight came from. Like
I understand like you didn't sit me at the right
table at an event, or if Martina couldn't come one,
I couldn't be interested. I get all of that, but
I did forget forget about the water throwing.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yeah, it's all about the water. It's all about the
water splash. And then also there is the whole thing
about the zoom of her Gertie not signing off to
the zoom about her sharing the adoption news, but it
is all about the water splash and her.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Which was weird and out of the blue.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Weird out of the blue performative. And then Gerty also
told me that she thinks that Julia was sort of
like working over time between seasons to like get people
to kind of to like kind of build up her
alliances in the group with like Alexia and Marisol just
to sort of bolster her side of whatever they had
going on or brewing. And so I just think that

(35:57):
Julia is sort of overplaying her hand in like and
trying to sort of establish power for herself on this
cast and on the show. And it's not it's just
not it's not authentic. It's not landing for me. And
she's to me, she's like pretty unrecognizable from the person
she was three years ago when she was milking goats

(36:18):
on her you know what I mean. Like that's just
not there's a there's a there's a total disconnect for
me and like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
And it's trying to stay on the show, so you're trying.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
To like, yeah, it's not even yeah, I think it's
like she saw, you know, Nicole's not backs. And then
Gerty's sort of like kind of isolated, right, Like she
doesn't have like Nicole, sort of Gerty's bridge. Nicole has
had a history with Alexia, with Larsa, with with all
these with some other people. So it sort of gives Julia.
And Julia had already been sort of cuddling up with

(36:54):
Alexia and now she has Marisol with her. Yeah, and
so like there's this there was this opportunity for her
to sort of slide in and ascend in the ranks,
if you will. And I also actually has an interviewed
Adriana yesterday, so I've done a lot in Miami's I've
done a lot of Miami interviews recently. And Adriana said
the same thing. She's like, it's all about the show.
It's all about sort of ascending in the ranks and

(37:14):
being with the cool girls and just like you know,
stepping on people to get to the top from their perspective.
And that tracks for me in a lot of ways.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
This last episode, this last episode of the Yachts, when
Adriana was so drunk, it was hilarious to me. First
of all, I love Mirasol. I'm rider down Mirasol. Mariso
could do anything Mariso call do in.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Marasol by the way of one of the chickest dressers
of any Housewives franchise. She always looks so chic hell.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
She nails it. She nailed it at that white party
for Gerdy. She like in that little kind of like
everything she wears. I'm always screenshotting and putting into my
Google lens, like give me a look for less like
Doupe dot com, Like I need it, even though I mean,
I'm a regular sized person, but I'm three times her size.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
She I mean, she she is idyo bitty. Yeah she's idiot.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, she's a little elephant. But I love her and
I love that.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Marisol was like, no, I don't want to be on
a boat with Adriana, Like, oh my god, I don't
want to.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
And then Adriana got drunk and got mad.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Like why don't you want to be on the boat
with me?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
She's calling her wrinkly knees.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
And then that episode Mary Pyne was a perfect episode
of Real Housewives if you ask me, Like it was funny.
It was so deeply unserious, but like they still a drama,
they still like I was cracking up Adriana on the
other boat yelling across the boat, and then they all
left her. But then she was still talking to the
staff on the boat. It was or when they were

(38:42):
scorting the water gun in her feet in her mouth
like she was.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
They were like, don't get me wet. It was like
Ramona Singer, you know, don't.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Who are you to get me wet?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
It was very that.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
It was very that, now what thoughts on Stephanie?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Because I did have a listener send me a bunch
of stuff about Stephanie's husband being like in.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Full foreclosure and that how she's.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Showing is like they fully don't own it anymore, like
the bank owns it. And I was like, what's happening?
There is this another scammer situation on that.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Kind of stuff. That kind of stuff I'm like, I
take with a grain of salt until like I don't know,
I feel like she's been on for like five episodes,
like they're filming the union tomorrow, Like let's like that
that's percolating out there, so like I'm sure it'll be
brought up at the reunion. Let's see how she reacts
to it. Honestly, I don't really do a lot of

(39:30):
the like stuff that bubbles up on the Reddit because
I'm just sort of like I need it's just too
sort of to me. But yeah, yeah, and there's also
there's clearly a lot there though, like there's clearly something happening.
I just don't really need to make sense of it myself.
But you know, you always do have to like take
a step back or no pause when somebody new comes

(39:54):
onto a housewive show and like projects so much wealth,
you know what I mean, Like yeah, just like that
can't be touched. You always have to like kind of
squintle a little bit, right.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, it's so it's so the her showing, you know,
Adrona where her closet will be and this will be
my wall for my burkins, and the ceilings are forty
feet and you know all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
And I had them move the pool because I didn't
want to like look at the pool.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
That you know, if you have moved the pool money
like just hear that, just tear the house down, start over,
like what do you do? It was crazy and for
her for her to to be like this will be
my wall of burkins, this will be this, I was like,
it reminds you of the phrase, you know, money screams
and wealth whispers. Yes, it's like girls stop like how

(40:42):
about just it's sort of like Doctor Nicole in the
way that they are so rich, Like she is so rich,
but you never really snee her talk about it.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
She wouldn't be like, look at my wallet, Berkins.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, the way they talk about their money is so different.
It's so different. I think Stephanie Presents is having the
same amount as Doctor and Cole and Anthony. But yeah,
Nicole was very she like she said it with like
a twinkle in her eye, you know, yeah, like she
give her the wink. But she wouldn't straight out be
straight up be like, yeah, we paid five thousand dollars

(41:15):
for that, or we paid six million dollars for that.
Like she didn't. That was not the way that she
really talked unless she was pressed to give an answer sometimes.
But yeah, they definitely that's a good dichotomy there. And
to compare to how they talked about their money.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Well, because I saw Nicole this week and I was like,
I love her. Gerty was like, what are we doing
to get you back into the friend group?

Speaker 1 (41:37):
What are we doing to get you back on this show?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
So I don't have to do it by myself. I
was like, yes, Gerty, you're all of us, yeah on
the show.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah. But I think that the gerdy Julia thing like
sort of it's sort of like that's the direction that
Nicole wouldn't want, that would not want the show to
go in that that is not like, that's not enticing
her to come back to the show. That whole thing interesting.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
To Stephanie used today Anthony too, huh.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
I know, a very long time ago. But and you
could tell, like Nicole I think dropped out of the
season pretty close to production, and so I think that,
you know, they clearly wanted the Stephanie a Cole thing
to be a thing. Yeah, you know, they lost something
and that I still think it's been a great season,
but they wanted that to be a thing. And so
now they're nice in the press.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
But what about who did Nicole say?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Somebody she said had put out a p I to
like Marisol, Come on, I just talked about how great
you are.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Don't do that to Nicole alleges hired a private investigator
on her. I think Marisol really wants them to be
full time.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
And why isn't she She's there for she's like Luyn
when Luis.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
She's never seen. I think it's just because she doesn't
have that much personal storyline going on. She's gotten married
like four times in the same guy. Like there's like
there's not much else going on. Mama Else is not
around anymore. I I p yeah, I think that is
the biggest reason why Adriana and Marisol aren't. I think
Kiki originally wasn't because she They don't. I don't think

(43:06):
they foresaw her being such a star and such a
hit with fans, and that's why she's like every season
like her her sort of her space on the show
has been gotten bigger and bigger. I think if anybody
gets one, it would be her. Like I think she's
sort of on a trap to sort of build and
build and build. Where I think Marisol and Adriana I
would love to see them get mohitos. Don't get me wrong,

(43:26):
but like I think they're fantastic as they are, you
know what I mean. Like, yeah, and it's also a
money thing for sure.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Well, like I told you, I started watching Miami from
season one after Marisol and Alexia We're on Ultimate Girls
trap because I was like I've never watched Miami, but
I love these two and now I.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Feel like I have to.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, it's a good watch in the beginning, especially seasons.
Season two and season three are very good, very good
seasons of Let me tell.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
You something that Larsa.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
When I started watching it and I knew what the
current cast looks like, and when I was watching it
with Larsa and Scotti, Pep and all.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
That, I was like, is that the same girl?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Like?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
I was so confused, and she talked so awfully about
like her staff and stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I was like, oh, this isn't an age.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Well, yeah, it didn't age well. I think I think
most of that season doesn't age very well. Yeah, there's
also a black of it all. Yeah, that was those
are those are good days of the.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Show, Leah Black being best friends with what's the guy?
The Girl's gone wild? Jeffran says, yeah, yes, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yes. And there was the there was a drag queen
drama too, that one drag queen that was around.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Oh yes, none of that age.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Well you're so right, meek, All right, let's quickly talk
about the o C. So, Gretchen is back and I
didn't like I didn't like the mean girls talking about
how she looks like a filter. Even when she's out
in the world, she still looks like a filter. I mean,
it's true, but I didn't like them sitting around and

(44:55):
like cackling about it.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah. What I think that I was fine with was
like the thing of her photos, which can be like
crazy sometimes like it's like guys, like you have to
laugh at that. But I agree the saying that she
looks like that in real life. I'm like, that's just
low hanging fruit, you know what I mean, Like find
like find something more creative.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Honestly, it's crazy this week when they had you Joe
come in and all that, and then we kept seeing
like Old Slade and New Slade. What is going New
Slade's hair is like it's like he's a Las Vegas
lounge singer. It's like swoops up and over. And I
didn't realize it until we saw Old Slade when he
had regular hair, was like, is he trying to cover
something because he's got it so so like he had

(45:36):
to work on that hairdo He did?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
He did, and I think it's still work in progress.
Let's just say that they did.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
She did prefer to Slade as her husband on the show,
but then later they showed him in the kitchen with
the with the daughter and it said Slade Gretchen's life partner,
but she did refer to him as my husband.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
I feel like that is I bet you either what
do you what do you think that means? That means
are secretly married? Uh?

Speaker 1 (46:05):
No, because I don't think she would get secretly married
us yeh just used the terms.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, and maybe it's a it could be a legal thing,
you know, his ex wives and whatnot. I'm not thrilled
that she's back. I don't really care so far. I
don't feel like.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
She's bringing anything.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I I am more interested in that whole Katie thing
and how everybody's kind of turned on Katie, but then
everybody kind of turned on Emily after the reunion, and
it's sort of.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Like, oh, where do we go?

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Because also, I don't like that Emily's brought this thing
up about her ten year old son on camera, even
though I'm sure production told her she should. I kind
of don't like it because he's only ten.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah. I think that Emily had a really bad reunion
last year. I hated I hated when she brought all
that stuff up. I thought it was so besides the
point and like so punching down, like all everything about
it just like did not land well at all, and
it made her look really bad. And I think that
she's having this season now where like' just kind of
continuing to go full force and it's just not really

(47:09):
coming off the way that she thinks it's going to
come off. You know, I think that she she kind
of hired her high on her own supply right now,
and it's not And that's not to say that like
I am buying all what Katie's selling either, Like there's
a lot like there's a lot of smoke there in
terms of like she got in way over her head
as a housewife. She was clearly corresponding with a lot

(47:30):
of these different fan accounts and as they call bloggers
or podcasters, whatever term you want to use, Like the
bloggers is very twenty twelve to know.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I'm always like, who is a blogger? Are you trying
to sell Kiki Monique, who we both know is a blogger?

Speaker 3 (47:43):
I don't think so that's she's ax exactly, But like
you know, now this is the third thing that's come
up about her corresponding with these people, and it's like,
and that's on top of the paparazzi thing from last
year where she was in correspondent with the head paparazzi guy.
So it's like there's a lot of that and like
clearly she thought that was sort of what the game was,

(48:04):
and that's like, if you're going to do that, which
I believe a lot of them do that. Yeah, don't
get caught real smart about it, like ye, all of
them have their preferred people that they talk to, I'm sure,
but like you she she it sounds like she was
like doing outreach to people, you know what I mean. Yes,
it's it's and it's sort of it sucks that I do.

(48:25):
When Katie has her like personal scenes and things, I'm like,
I really like you, you know, I'm like, I really
like there are so many things to like about Katie.
But then like you turn the corner and it's like, well,
you were talking about us to Kikimnique, or you were
calling Bravo babe, or you were and it's like, how
much of this did she do? Is it all out
there yet? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I mean I know people personally that she reached out
to and then later blocked them, and then later unblocked
them and apologized for blocking them, And these people are like, girl,
I don't know you like what she messaged.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
She messaged me, did I tell you this?

Speaker 1 (48:59):
No, that isn't surprise me.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
She messages me after I talked about her on my
podcast not even that nothing too crazy. It was like
thirty minutes into the show, and three hours after that
episode came out, I got a message from her, and
it was just like, you're you got to be above
the frail little bit more than that if you're gonna yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, And you don't need to listen to all the
podcasts either, because like, no again, you can't have enough time.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
There's so many podcasts, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
No, it's and it's just like be better off, just
like being yourself on these shows. Don't care about what
the accounts are really posting about you, Like, yeah, it's
obviously easier said than done. But I don't know. She
just has dug herself into such a hole, like curious.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
You don't play in the off season, right, it's off season,
Like you're not, don't. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Well I do like her husband, and I like how
he just like rides so hard. He's like to, like,
whatever they're saying, it's there. I was like, are you not,
It's okay. I think her personal story with the kids
and all that, I think it's I think it's something
a lot of people could relate to. And I think
that that that's interesting and I think she kind of
didn't have to do that. I'm going to record this

(50:03):
on my phone. I think it was Emily that was
on Watch What Happens Live. Randy was like asking about
the recording the Shannon having the meltdown and did she
remember and she goes, no, I don't remember. I've known
Channa for a long time. I've seen a lot of meltdowns.
I don't know that particular one doesn't stand out.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Meltdowns all the time.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
And that and that's a perfect answer, you know what
I mean. And that track, you know clearly clearly Katie
was sort of like shocked by it or whatever. But again, yeah,
like and that talk about apparently that's technically illegal as well.
She didn't have consent to be recorded, and it's right,
I don't know. And also I just feel like she's
told different stories about that. It's like, did she play

(50:43):
it for a Lexus and them when they're on their
triple date or did she just talk about it or
did she only send it to her husband, Like we've
we've heard three different explanations for it, and that's also
part of her issue. She can't stick to a story.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, all of that is the issue.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
And I don't know. I do think she'll have a
I was surprised she was back on this season. Honestly,
I was like, Oh, she's not gonna either she's not
going to want to come back, or they're gonna say
like it's too messy. That she came on back, and
that's probably a good thing because she is propelling a
lot of the storylines and we've got you know, Tamar
out there still fighting with Jen.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I'm like, come on.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
The thing is, though, I think that they're such good
adversaries because Jen can hold her own, Like yeah, scene
of them sitting down at that Mexican restaurant, they didn't
even order anything, They had chips and deneat them and
left like that was that scene. That argument. It just worked,
Like they their dynamic is so tense, but like they
can both take it to each other and they don't

(51:42):
really they don't really back down to one another. Yeah,
I know that, like Tamman needs to like let the
mouse go. But I love Jen as an adversary for her.
I think that because I love Jen Bradanti. I think
that she is I I like almost everything about her,
Like it's really I like how.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
She came into goes, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I have that belt and she goes, oh, yeah, I
like I have it too, and then they start the
whole thing about the only on Housewives will a conversation
we had about somebody's hair extensions being put into somebody
else's head, which is just.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
So and it's like and I totally believe Jen's explanation
for that, like yeah, like camera tried to try to
present it as this like creepy, weird thing if she
wants to be me, and it's like, yeah, we were
just we were just walking around because they were laying
around at the hair salon, and we both go to like,
they didn't put it in my head, like it's not
that not that serious, not that crazy, like of course

(52:33):
Hamra did that, and.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It's like I'm trying to soak up the essence of
you by putting your hair in my head like what
but only on Housewives. And I also did enjoy that
Terry Debro was stoned out of his mind at the party.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
I enjoyed that as well.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
It's very much like give us more of that, Terry,
Like I like, we need, we need more less, we
need less buttoned up due bro moments sometimes, And that
was a great one. I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Him not talking about all the time.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah yeah, but like okay, the throwing the glasses at
the gong, Like, how imagine being in a party, like
a cockshail party, and you're like trying to held have
conversations every five seconds, somebody's like throwing a glass at
a gong across. Yeah. I was confused by that. I
I didn't understand that. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I mean, as it was a plastic glass that they
were throwing.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
But it was they were adding glass noises at least
if they weren't actually glass.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
I think of the mess that would make because it
would go all.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
I know, it's dangerous, I agree, and every time it
was weird soutive.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Do you think that they'll bring Joe in as a
friend up and test her back out?

Speaker 3 (53:46):
You know, I don't know, Like I think it depends
on how well Gretchen performs the rest of the season,
and I think all signs point to her performing at
least better than Alexis did in the middle. That bar
is underground, so there's the only way to go from
there was up. But to me, like I like the
instinct of tamer bringing Joe to that event, but like

(54:08):
it didn't really do anything.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Because nobody's mad at Joe, nobody hates Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Sort of like, and I think that Joe we talked.
I talk sometimes about like old school like new housewives
who kind of give old school housewives like Angela Oakley
to me, is that in a really good way, whereas
like Joe to me, is somebody nothing not to like
about her. But I'm sort of like if they added
her back, like I kind of feel like she's sort
of stuck in the early days of the show, right

(54:37):
old school in a helpful way to the show. So
I don't know, Like I'm not I wasn't convinced by
that little cameo she made.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, I wasn't either, And also I didn't even recognize
her Dack Gina Kiyoh, that's who we need.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Unless she's doing something great, then do bring myr Gina,
Gina Gina.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
But here's the thing, I feel like the show's and
I feel like the show other than it's reliance season
on like too many bloggers podcasters stand accounts, like there's
too much of that. Otherwise, I like love the State
of OC. I think it's like very it's in a
healthy place as a franchise. So I'm like, you don't
need to fuck with it that much either, you know
what I mean, Just let it ride. Like there's a

(55:16):
lot of interesting group dynamic stuff happening right now.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Oh, people hate Tamra so bad. I just don't hate
her as much as.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
I'm not there. No, I'm not. I'm not there with
her either.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
No, everybody's like cameras the worst. I'm like, I don't know,
she's such good TV.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
I mean, yeah, I'm sorry, she helps save the show,
so like, yeah, I think such like it's just yeah,
she she goes too far and she there's there's a
lot of stunts that get pulled, and so she should
rain that in a little bit. But like, I'm sorry,
she knows, she's she knows what she's doing, and she's
she also never cared. She doesn't care to be liked
so and I well, yeah about her. I appreciate that

(55:50):
about her.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
If I was on any of these shows, I wouldn't
have one friend. I would never tell one person anything ever,
because you can't text something, you can't say something.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
It's then bring it up three years later, you know.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Right, I'm now they're all realizing they can't even text
each other because like then they're gonna screen shots are
gonna be Gertie's releasing screenshots. Yeah, you know, Katie, all
her screenshots are being released, like things are Denise's screenshots. Like,
you can't be texting. I guess if you're a housewife,
you just gotta be sending voice notes that expire.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Voices to aspire. Yeah, and you see if somebody says
when you go to their house and rub their.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Phone out of their hand.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah, well, Gibson, we have to wrap it up, but
tell everybody where they can find you and your fun podcast.
I did see your clip that you put up on
social media of Gurdy where she like tear.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah, she was emotional over the Julia stuff. Yeah. I've
been doing a lot of Miami interviews recently. My show's
called Gavin with Gibb twice a week Tuesdays and Friday
sometimes more wherever you get this great podcast, and you
can follow me at Gibsonoma on Twitter, threads, Instagram, wherever, TikTok. Yeah,

(56:55):
so that's those are the plugs.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Why is your Instagram name Gibsonoma.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Because and in sixth grade, a good friend of mine
started calling me that because there was a Williams Sonoma
catalog sitting there and it just she started. She started
calling me that, and it just stuck. And then when
it came time to I feel like the first time
I used it as the username was when Twitter came around,
which was like the beginning of like middle of high
school for me. Yeah. I just used that because that's

(57:23):
what she was calling me, and I just kept using it.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
So well, I'm just like, you think that you live
in Sonoma, but you don't.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
No no opally just like a childhood nickname from a friend. Yeah,
I think it's kind of chic.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
It's cute.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
It's cute.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
All right, Everybody follow Gibson and go listen to his podcast.
You have some great interviews over there Gabbing with GiB
and please remember to follow me as well at Paint
Shade Pod and I will talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Thanks for having me