1011 - Pop and Bravo with Jolenta Greenberg (Hot Mess-Terpiece Theatre) - Pink Shade

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Mary Payne here.
It's Pop and Bravos, so that means it's Thursday. I've
got a great guest. I've got Jilina Greenberg here, you guys.
Gilina has a great new podcast. It's called Hot Mesterpiece
Theater and can you guess.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
What it's about.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's about the ship we like to talk.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
About it sure is.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, welcome to the show. I'm so glad to see you.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Thank you for having me. It's such a delight to
be here.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
You're a very profession looking sound studio.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Thank you, thank you. Put up a few soundproofing panels.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I damn some over here. I use it as like
a bulgenborg.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Really, Oh that's smart.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I have a neighbor who's like, bedroom is behind my wall,
so you know, gotta be a little polite.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Are you a New York City gal? I am, yeah, okay,
I'm always jealous of a New York City gal.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
It has its pros and its cons, like it's you know,
really annoying to get groceries, but also you feel like
you're at the center of the world, so like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yes, a couple of years ago, I had a friend
whose sister lives in New York and she lived at
the top of this building in Midtown, like a two
bedroom apartment with like a wrap around terrace. She's like, Oh,
my sister's going to be a town for a week.
She's looking for somebody to stay there, just the water,
the plants. I go, uh me, I'll do it. Yeah,
So I did. And my friend Ingrid came for a bit,

(01:34):
my friend Emily came for a bit, my friend Mary came.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
For a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
We just circled through. We're like, let us all do it.
And I lived in New York for a week. And
by the end of that week, I was like, nobody
can tell me anything. I know it all. Yeah, I
know nothing. Whenever I go to New York, I'm always
like I'm that person on the street. But I do
get to the side to look at my map, right,
I stand to the side.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, you know, like the basic etiquette, which is also
like you wouldn't do that anywhere, Like I wouldn't do
that in California either if I was lost, just like
park it in the middle of a sidewalk.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well, that's what people in New York do. They stand
in the middle of the side, but looking at their
phones and you having to go around them, and as
somebody who lives there imagine, it's super annoying.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah yeah, I guess the rule is sort of like
you're supposed to like get up, get up to the
side of the sidewalk, like the street side, like go
go hang out by like a newspaper kiosk thing, yes,
and look stuff up.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I just hug a wall. I just go back to
go to an edge.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I just hug a wall and let people go past me.
Another thing that bothers me in New York is I
see lots of people with baby carriages and they have
them like into the crosswalk.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sort of it's sort of like a
biker move, like it's what people on bikes do, like
where it's like I'm raring to go.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
You know your baby's gonna get hit, but it's like you're.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Raring to go with your with like your baby as
the thing that's sticking into the street.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
So yeah, well he's like that's an interesting move. I
wonder how many babies get hit by not many, that's
but I got to tell you that new thing that
did in New York in the last couple of years.
Is they installed that little teeny tiny bike lane and
if you step out, because you look both ways, there
cars coming, you will get up, a biker will just

(03:21):
run right over and keep right on going with the
ruber eats order.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Oh right, and you have to be way more cautious
like those bikers, like they're not abiding by the lights
the same way.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
The cars are.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
They're especially in those things on like a green way
where they have sort of their own separate lane, like
separate from the road even and it's like they are.
It's vicious in there.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
It's scary. It's scary. Well that was New York Corner
with Mary Payne and Gilnta. Okay, your new podcast. I
want to talk about it because right before we came on,
I was listening and so you have had several podcasts
over the years with yourself and with Christen Meiser. So

(04:04):
let's talk about those. So By the Book and How
to Be Fine, we're two separate.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Things, sort of like one kind of became the other. Okay,
So By the Book was was our first show. We
started it back in like twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, and we.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Did a sort of we called it like a reality
show meets book club, where we would live by the
rules of a self help book really strictly for two
weeks at a time and sort of record ourselves and
report back on whether or not the book lived up
to its own hype.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's such a great idea. I remember listening to those
episodes going, I couldn't do this. And who was the
guy who did the book the Year of Living biblically
or whatever? He followed the Bible exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh my gosh, I can't remember his name right now.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Same idea, Yeah, same idea, same idea. Yeah, what was
the hardest job?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Was much harder?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah? What was the hardest one that you from your opinion?
What was the hardest one?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
You get the hardest ones? There were probably a couple.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Definitely French Women don't get fat because I felt misled
by because it's sort of marketed as like an intuitive
eating like like just sort of like walk more, eat
fresh butter, you know, but it has it has like
a very strict diet at the beginning where for like
a couple of days you're only supposed to eat leak soup,

(05:33):
which is basically just a boil a leak and like
it's the broth from it. And then if you're like
feeling extra hungry, you can put a leak in it.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Oh and yeah not a cracker, no, no.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
No, or like if you're you know, if you're really
feeling hungry, you can like do like a doll up
of olive oil on it. And you're supposed to do
that for like two or three days to sort of
like reset your body. And it's like, oh, so you're
supposed to starve, Like that's awful.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Ooh, I thought French women don't get fat. Was like
you have red wine at lunch, right you want, yeah,
like eat your chocolate.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
But it was also like, first, like because you have
bad American habits, like reset your body by like starving
it for a couple.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Of days, and did you do that?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
We did, And after we did it, we vowed to
never do a weight loss book again because you know,
it like triggered some old disordered eating habits and stuff
and it just it just led to being unhealthy. But
but I did, you know, cry once I started eating
real food again because it tasted so good.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
And you're like the French have nailed it.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
And I was like if this is French living. I'm in.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
What's another one that you can remember that was harder?
I'm crazy.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
The life changing magic of tidying up was hard if
if you really live by it, like you end up
getting rid of a lot of shit.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
There's still stuff. I'm like, why did I get rid
of that? Like? What was I thinking?

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, I've never read that book. I think I've watched
an episode or so of her show, yeah show, and
I remember thinking like, okay, like I get it. And
I mean, if I just panned this camera slightly either direction,
you'd be horrified. Oh yeah, but right behind me looks
pretty clean. But no, uh uh. I've got boxes of

(07:25):
clothes and my main problem is closed. I buy too
many clothes. Yeah, and then I try to sell them
on Poshmark, and then they sit here because I'm trying
to sell them. I mean, that's my biggest clutter. And
if I could actually just clear my mind of it,
maybe is there a section in her book, just a
chapter about clothes or do I have to read the
whole book?

Speaker 3 (07:43):
There is, but you kind of have to read the
whole book, like it's part of like you're supposed to do,
like a big like megap purge when you live by
her advice because basically the only rule is like pick
up every object in your house and if it sparks joy,
keep it.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
But then you know it.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Spark on at right, And then like I got on
a roll of just like getting rid of everything and
that I thought sparked a joy, but then it didn't
in the end. In the end, I'm like, I wish
I had like that chunky sterling Tiffany's necklace that I
thought didn't spark joy. But like, yeah, you know, I
donated to Housing Works, which is a great organization donating

(08:25):
stuff there, but I was like, what was they thinking?

Speaker 1 (08:29):
All right, y'all, it's summer. I really love to have
people over and I love to get out all of
my fun serving dishes, and I also love a string
light and a full barbecue vibe. I also love an
outdoor game like croquet or cornhole. That would surprise you,
but I'm pretty good at cornhole. And guess what else?
You can get all of that at my go to
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(08:50):
keep kind of a beach theme. I like things with
like sharks and a nautical vibe, like you know navy blue.
I got the cutest outdoor pillows from Wayfair, and I
got a couple from my Adirondacks and a couple of
bench cushions because you know, if you're sitting out there
for a long time trying to get some sun, you
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(09:12):
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(09:33):
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every home. Okay hmmm, because I do wish and I
do have a home organizer gal that comes in every

(09:56):
so often and I do feel great and she leaves right,
but like she came in and did her pantry because
we have this walk in pantry because you you know,
adult teenage kids, and it's just a lot. It's a
lot of and my husband just shoved stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
A lot, yeah, a lot. It holds a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
And then I go in there and it looks beautiful.
I've got my clear baskets, they're labeled. Everything is great,
and I will keep it like that. But the other
people in my family are not on board.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Right, That's the other hard part about it, where it's
like my partner wasn't on board. He didn't get rid
of anything, and he just got annoyed when I was like,
we're supposed to keep like the dish soap under the
sink now, nothing's supposed to be on the counters, Like
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, well yeah, I'm going to
read either of those books.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Then No, Like.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Beyond the Purge, there are lots of rules about like
basically nothing should be out in the open, like your
counters should be bear and it's like that can't happen here,
Like I can't put my air fryer away like at
my right or like I'm not going to use a
shower caddie to go to my own shower and I
keep the shampoo in there.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
So you're supposed to be like college dorm style pull
out your caddy, yeah, like under your seat.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
From under your sink.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
And I'm like, yeah, okay, okay, well then I'm sorry. Yeah,
I'm sorry Maria Conda. But she probably has made so
much money that she could just buy a really big
house and have all her shower caddies under all her sinks.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
And she's she's uh walked back some of her advice
since having kids, And I bet, like it, it's impossible
when you have like three year olds running around and
older like.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I bet, yeah, okay, wow, yeah, I remember buy the book.
I listened to that quite a bit because I had
my old podcast Paint in the Pod where I only
interviewed podcasters, right, because I'm so obsessed with podcasts, And
that's a really good one. Now, how to Be Fine?
Did y'all talk about self.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Help books on and how to Be Fine?

Speaker 3 (12:03):
We still talked about self help books, but we also
we sort of basically we ended up writing a book
about our experience on by the book that was called
how to Be Fine. Yes, So then we changed the
show name to How to Be Fine? And sort of
expanded to just looking at different self help trends, you know,
because living by books sort of limits you to only

(12:24):
like things that have been written written about in book form,
where it's like we wanted to talk about stuff like
before it's a book sometimes and so that way, that way,
on that show, we just did more like sort of
investigative deep dives into like what is life coaching? What
does it mean when someone says they're qualified? Like is

(12:45):
that legit or you.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Know, I'd like to know the answer to that.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
I mean not really, there's not one sort of like
governing body, like like you know, like there's the American
Medical Association that like cockers have to answer to, and
those those are the people setting the standards. It's like
each each coaching company has its own rules and guidelines

(13:08):
and so like if someone's certified, like you don't really
know what they're certified in, and like you're not guaranteed
they're gonna be ethical, Like it's just it's just hard
to know.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
And so how to How to Be Fine is a
book we could find.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Is a book and a podcast?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, okay, is a book and a podcast, And I
imagine an audiobook as well.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yes, it was an audiobook is an audiobook. It was
a blast to record. It's like a really long podcast
where we recap living by lots of the books that
we've lived by.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
That sounds like the next time I have to drive
to the beach by myself, which is coming up next week.
I'm always looking for something like that, like a long
form podcast or something a story to kind of keep
my brain not falling asleep. So I think how to
Be Fine audiobook sounds like I've got all these credits
on Audible. They just like send them to me right,

(14:00):
Not because they're a sponsor or anything. It's just because
I don't know, somewhere along with like Kendall or something.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
This you have prime or something, Yes, and I.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Never use it, so I think that's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I've just used it. Read it. It's a fun one.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
We each like we we took turns writing chapters, so
we each read different parts and then we read parts
together like it was really fun.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yes, okay, all right, now you're an author, as we're discussing,
So you wrote how to Be Fine with Kristin another
book that was All the Real Housewives, I wrote an
e book.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
It was actually one of the assignments in a book
we were living for. By the book, it was how
to write an e book in less than seven to
fourteen days. So we each wrote an e book, but
mine was called Modern Harpies. Why I loving the Real
Housewives means your cultured af and in it I compare

(14:55):
Real Housewives to different Greek goddesses because my grand theory
is that, like we're just telling the same stories we've
always been telling, Yeah, like throughout history, and it's like
reality TV is no different. So like, if you think
it's low brow or tacky, like, it just means you're
not you're not seeing through to the.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Story that we're really watching.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, do you know Gibson John's.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Actually I'm just about to have him on my podcast soon, Okay.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I love Gibson. Yeah, And he has the shirt that
says hating reality TV doesn't make you smart exactly, And
I'm like, yeah, if you hate reality TV, then what's
your problem? You know, don't be so judgy and also
you don't look about My husband's a little judgie about it.
He'll come through the room and make a rude comment

(15:47):
until he sees somebody that he knows, like if he
sees Angela. Oakley's husband, Charles Oakley, was an NBAA. What's
that guy? I go, he's on this show? Huh, not
so weird now, So he's a little judgie about it,
but he does sort of come in with like a
Genoadjasmine scene on ninety day and be like, what have

(16:07):
these people been on this show for a year ago?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
My husband loves the Gino and Jasmine update.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I'm like, new show. Who is they're still on?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:16):
He's like, but she's with that guy and she's had
the baby. I go, they haven't had the baby yet
because that other season was don't try to make sense
of it.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
The timeline is totally messed up.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Don't try to make sense of you know that she's
already had a baby with this guy and she's currently
not pregnant on this show, but she was pregnant on
the show we saw four months ago. Don't that was
last resort? This is aha. He's like, so he's interested
enough to ask questions, right, totally, Yeah, but he's not
interested enough to pretend like it's cool.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Right, Yeah, my husband's the same way. He's uninterested. But
then like, you know he can't help, but always be
like that. Marisol's funny.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Is Marisol the best? I'm obsessed with Marisol.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
I love her, and it's like I don't like share
her style isn't my style at all at all, but
like she's like I find her to be like the
best dress. Like she's just like firing on all cylinders
right now.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Every time she talks, I'm like, what's she gonna say,
what's she gonna say? So warm? Give me just a
whole show. And I've said this a million times. People
are like, you've already said this, but you don't know
this about me. I never watched Real Housewives in Miami
just because it was one of the ones I didn't
jump on and then it was gone, and man, who cares.
But when I saw Marisol and Alexia on Real Housewives
Ultimate Girls Trip, oh yeah, I go, well, now I

(17:32):
have to watch it like I have extra time. And
I just started from the beginning and watched the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, it's great. It was such a good such a
good series, such a good.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Series, such a good series. Okay, so on your new podcast, yes,
explain to me first of all, hot Mester Piece theater.
How come nobody's ever come up with that before?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
I was googling it for like hours, being like, no
one did this yet, Like someone did a live show
hot Mester Piece that was like a one woman show.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
But yeah, what a great I love when somebody comes
up with the grid. I don't have that chip in
my brain that can come up with catchy puns or
good titles ever, So whenever anybody comes up with something,
I'm like, will, they must be a genius because I
could have never come up with that.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I used to work in news and my husband still does,
and there's lots of that kind of wordplay bandied about,
like they're always like pitching titles at each other. So
I feel like I hopefully absorbed some of it.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, I will say that. This week on The Valley Reunion, Andy,
before every introduction of every segment, he was doing that
and I was.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Like, stop it was it was a little much.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
When Jason took off his ring, this was a ring
toss game. Janet didn't want to play it. David Busters,
You're like, stop.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Too many references.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
No, it's you're wasting our time. So all right, so
tell me on Hot Masterpiece theater. You guys are talking
about one scene. You're not just doing like we're going
to talk about a whole season. You're doing one scene
at a time.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, tell me, tell me everything, So hot Mesterpiece Theater.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
I'm basically expanding on expanding on my ebook with the
theory that like what we're watching is is art, is
like real storytelling. And so I have on guests and
we sort of do a deep dive into a favorite
scene of theirs. It can be from any reality show,
lots of Real Housewives so far, lots of Love is

(19:22):
blind people people love, and we just sort of do
a deep dive in like the lore behind the scene,
the public's reaction to the scene, what was going on
like in society when the scene was super popular? Okay,
And also there are episodes I do by myself where

(19:43):
I do deep dives just into different like storytelling techniques
and archetypes, like character types that we come across in
reality TV. So like the one I have coming up
is about matriarchs and like how that showed up? How
like that's like the force in the Real Housewives of
New Jersey, you.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Know, uh huh? And southern charm.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh, my gosh, Oh of course, Ms Patricia.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
And dare I say my top three reality show of
all time? Welcome to Platfell.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Oh yeah, you're totally right.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, Kim Plath, I mean Monster, right, Monster. I heard
the episode you did with Chris Durosa. Now, yeah, Chris
is also a New York City person. I imagine the
two of you were just like in the room together, Kiki,
But now I'm thinking probably you were apart.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
We were apart, Yeah, I think it.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
He came up with an episode and I don't know,
it was a long time ago, but it was Tarma
and her son, her always troubling son Ryan bringing in
this new girl that he said he's going to marry.
I think he did marry her right, and they.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Had that they got married and had a kid, and
then it got tumultuous pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Pretty dark. But it was great because I was listening
to it before we came on. And I always loved
Chris just because of his background as a reality TV producer.
Always has such interesting takes, and it's so interesting that
he picked a Real Housewives scene. I don't know if
you picked it for him, Oh no, he picked it
because sometimes he won't necessarily go into housewives stuff, you know,

(21:17):
because he's in that world and he doesn't bit like
cheat himself in the foot I loved hearing you guys
just break down this one scene. And it's when Ryan,
you know, the girl comes over and it's like, here's
our wedding venue. Here's what my dress is gonna look like,
and Tamor loses her mind's like you can't just plan
it without it. I was like, you are the mother
in law, You're not the mother of the bride, Like,

(21:38):
what are you doing right right?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I think? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Basically it was like here and meet this girl I
met online and then and then it was like surprise,
we're actually engaged and have a venue and like a
date set.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
So at the time that was so controversial to meet
somebody online happened.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
They met through Instagram. Chris and I looked it up.
DM had like just become a thing. So it was like,
had they just started like DM sliding or.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Like, you know, was it just through comments?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
So it was I could understand why Tamia was was rattled,
but the way she handled it was just so like
cinematically beautiful. She she she runs, she runs to a cupboard,
like right right, like I'd say, maybe five feet behind
where the family is all sitting at a table, and
just start screaming about.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Like fuck my life, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Just into the cupboard and everyone's just looking behind them
at her, and it's just this this amazing scene that
could be like could have been written by you know,
Edward Alby, like who's afraid of Virginia Wolf's style?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
I do like how you know, stories repeat themselves. I
mean I'm you know, deep in the TLC world with
what I do. Oh cover Bravo as well, but right
on TLC. You know, there's this spin off, the Family Chantelle.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Oh yeah, of course, which of course.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Now is in our vernacular, like we say everything like
I don't ever say on my show, like my husband Dave.
I'll say the husband Mary Payne, you know, like because
you have to say that the mother, the mother, Shantell
the mother. So the family Chantelle was so Robo and Juliette.
Even at the end their last season together, when they're

(23:23):
breaking up after being together ten years, every episode title
was a Romeo and juliet quote.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah when they do that, it's so excited.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
It's yeah, and it was it was totally this this
story of these these families. Yes, like pulling these kids
apart and them being too young to think anything through.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Like, yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Wasn't a thing. But you're so right. There are so
there are if you really think about it, you know
ten stories in the world and they're just retold in
different ways, right you know. Oh my gosh, it's such
a great idea. So I hope that I will come
on your podcast.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I was going to say, I definitely want to have
you on. I would love to talk about anything that
you consider a favorite because, like, you have such a
great knowledge.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, I've got two vander Pump scenes in my brain,
one particularly that I think would be epic to break down.
But if I was forced to do a TLC one
because of my knowledge of TLC, I could come up
with everybody. It would it would take it. It would take
a little time.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, yeah, whatever whatever you want. But I haven't had
any vander Pump yet, so I'm the I won't.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Say what it is. Yeah, don't come on, I want
to ruin it. But it does involve my favorite people
in the world. Which favorite person in the world, which
is Stossi Schuer.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Oh, I love stasy TV Gold I was so entertaining.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
So entertaining. I haven't watched anything she's done lately yet,
Still I just mess with her. Yeah, I love her OOTD.
I love her travel style. It's like what Stassy wearing
to the airport. I need to copy it?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
What bag?

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yes, she's twenty years younger than me. That's not weird.
So okay, So what other shows are you watching right now?
That's I mean, you could give me Bravo.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
But besides Bravo, I'm watching one am I watching. I'm
watching a lot of TLC. I'm doing like ninety Day UK,
which I guess is like HBO or something.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
No it's not. It's Discovery Plus, which I guess is
every Plus. Yeah, I want covering that.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'm watching it on HBO.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
We're covering it. Don't you love the quick case of it?
Because I love how fast.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I always like run into the room and tell my husband.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
I'm like, if this were us, it would be five
episodes before we got here. Yeah, I don't care, but
I'm like, but the pacing is so good.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
The pacing is I think. I think what we've heard
from UK listeners is they are like full hour, hour
and a half episodes over there, but we get like
thirty two minutes, right, I think they really they're like,
didn't you see this? Didn't you see that? We're like, no,
see this. Last season there was a guy that had
like a full like white supremacist tattoo in his arm,

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and every time he talked it was like very visual.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Is that why he was always blurred?

Speaker 3 (26:11):
I wondered about that, and they had undertaken up like
an or something, because it's like you also a blurred
if he had like a Coca Cola tattoo.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah it was, of course it was.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, they had that. But in the UK they had
seen it a lot lot more, where we had just
seen it briefly and then the episode was down and
so we had to rely. But they the ninety to
day UK. You guys, Kimberly and I are covering it
on Prime. It is so good this season.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
It's really good. I'm loving it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Thoughts on Shorna after banging this young guy deciding at
age like forty something that she'll just become Mormon.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
I've I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen
anyone seek out like this. Niche like American religion. Yeah, right, Yes,
She's so bizarre to me where I'm like, how did
you find Mormonism?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Like why? How?

Speaker 1 (27:06):
But don't you think if that day she happened to
walk by the Church of Scientology.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Right, I was like, was it just whoever whatever was
around that that did?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
It?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Like so interesting to me? And and I'm like I
feel like this might be like what's the deeper what's
the deeper thing going on?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Why? Why do you why does she.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Want to like essentially like cut things off with this guy?
Like is it actually because of religion or did she
find religion because it's a good reason to like put
pump the brakes, Like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
She thinks they're getting married. I was like, he hasn't
called you in three weeks, I mean, call me crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
But the camera was over so he was.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
After she He's like, bye, bye, I love you. I'm
never speaking to her again.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, I'm done, I'm over it.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah, give me my fifty dollars gift card and I'm
out of here. Oh man, okay, ninety dight UK. That's
a good and okay. Now Love is Blind UK started
today Wednesday, when we were recording this we dropped our
episodes of it. We pre record all. Every time Love
is Blind, we pre recorded all. So when you get
your Love is Blind episodes, you get our recaps. It's

(28:17):
a it's it's it's grueling. And that's why I didn't
get to watch this week because I was watching Love
is Blind. So if you haven't watched the new season
of Love is Blind, UK, gotta gotta watch it.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I have not. I am did you.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Watch the last season with Freddy Hot? No?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
No, I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a virgin.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
You've never watched any Love is Blind?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
No, I've watched Love is Blind US.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Okay, all of it or just some you just dabbled, Okay,
So Love is Blind UK. I know they film it
in Sweden because there's Love is Blind every country, by
the way, right right, Just how much stomach do you
have for the subtitles? You know? For me it's zero?
So Love is Blind UK. Last season there was a

(29:07):
guy on there named Freddie who was an undertaker of
a more tissue. Okay, and he's currently on Perfect Match,
which I'm not watching, but everybody's like, you've got to see.
I'm like, he is the most attractive man to ever
be on television like top five.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh, I'm I gotta check that out as.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
You got to look up Freddy Love is Blind UK
so good looking. So I stayed the whole season. I
was like, I don't care. I just need to know
what Freddy's doing. He's on Perfect Match now, so that
shows you how it went for him. He was with
a real b uch and he was just like, why
is she so mean to him? Like look at him?
So Love is Blind UK the second season that just started.

(29:49):
I will also recommend, and like I got my haircut
earlier today and my hairdresser was like, I've never watched
Love is Blind any Love Is Blind? Because I feel
like I couldn't catch up. I go, oh, each season
is new, you don't have to.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Do right, right, Yeah, I need to know what happened
last year.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Like you don't know anything. They explain it to you
right at the beginning, right, So I hopefully I've converted
several people, including you today too.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Oh, like I'm like doing that, like the second we
get off of here, the minute we're like I gotta
get I gotta get okay, and.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
What else are you watching on TLC?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
What else am I watching, I'm watching, I'm watching all
the ninety Days.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Okay, I've got to have you on to talk about this.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
So I wait, what what one is currently? I like,
I forget what's even airing? Happily ever After.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Got HTA, which is the worst.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Happily ever After. I'm watching like Hunt for Love with
Hunt for Love shit show?

Speaker 1 (30:39):
How do you feel about Hunt for Love? How how
do you feel about Rob?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Rob is a mess? Be so hot? I mean, he's
the hottest mess.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
I kind of always have a soft spot for him,
and I like feel like I shouldn't, but.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
I do you feel bad about it? I know?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I also just think it's hilarious that it's very clear that,
like some of the people brought onto that show thought
they were doing more of like a Love Island thing
and didn't realize They're like, oh, it seems like a
lot of these people know each other so like a history,
And I'm like, I love that the other guests at
this like Love Hotel don't don't know what they're doing

(31:20):
or like what they're on.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yes, yes, so funny.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yes, I will say that on Between the Sheets The
After Show, Tiffany no no Elise, Elise was talking about
how they had a group chat for the singles everybody's single,
but she means the people that weren't ninety eight people,
and she got kicked out of that group chat, and
she said she didn't have a group chat because she's
not in the ninety day group chat either, because nobody

(31:45):
liked her. But she was saying, she goes. She said,
it's so interesting to her that Jay asked Tiffany on
a date and then was so trying to kiss her
and all that, you know, and being kind of like,
she's like stop and list goes. It's so wild to
me because he every morning you would break up to

(32:08):
the group chat with him saying like, fuck these ninety
day people, this is our show, Like, don't give them
any attention, Like we date with on ourselves. And then
she was like and then I guess he wonted screen time,
so we had to take me out, you know. But
at least your point, they just got there and they
were like, wait, how do they know each other?

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Wait? This is a dating show for them, Like yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, yeah, I do think the breakout. The breakout star
is of the singles is Elise cal and Carlow.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah for sure, Carlo is a dirty dog. It turned out.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah. I was surprised.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I was upsetting Carlo.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
We were kind of he kind of like flipped on us.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
We're rooting for you, Carlo. I know three times I
have had Tiffany on to talk to her, the last
a couple of weeks, and then like I had to
cancel because I was sick. And then twice she's had
to cancel. Of course she was flying somewhere. Who are
you flying to see?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah? Yeah, where?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, but hopefully before the end of the season. I'm
gonna get her on awesome. I will tell you that
a bunch of US TLC podcasters were invited to a
Hunt for Love premiere party in New York and they
were all there, none of the singles, but all the
cast because we hadn't seen it. We hadn't seen one eppsite, right,
so we would have known the singles anyway. Yeah, but

(33:29):
Rob was there and I went up to him. I go, Rob, go, hey,
I'm Mary Pann, like you blocked me. And he goes
and he goes, you must have said some shit. I
go no, I mean, well, I mean I probably did,
but I was like, you didn't block her? Or him,
and they talk way worse than you. He goes, I
don't know, you just caught me on a bad Daggo
will you unblock me? He goes, probably not, but he

(33:53):
you would do anything, he said, just looking at I bet.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I was gonna say. If I saw those eyes in person,
I would melt.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
It was it was I stood strong. My friend Amy,
another fellow podcaster who has little miss recap, not so much.
She melted immediately.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, I imagine he's just like quite charming. He is,
and so hot.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
It's hard to look at because it's like look away.
But a bad person. Everybody a bad person. Just remember,
just remember a bad person was a.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Mad person and for a while you had to, like
you had to go outside and use this bathroom.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
He told us he wanted us to know that Sophie
had lived there for two months before they started filming,
so they just built that up for the show. She
was fine with it.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I don't know if she was.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Definitely if I were younger, it's something I would have
pretended I was fine with for a little bit, but then.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Snapping same, Yeah, she's like, now we're filming, can we
talk about how gross this.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Day and we acknowledge that this sucks, like.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, and also that I think they were in a
terrible neighborhood in LA and she's like, and I'm scared
to go to the bathroom in the I you know, hey, okay,
speaking to terrible people. Let's talk about the latest Valley reunion.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yes, he yaya?

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Do you think Jesse is as bad as Jack's but
just smarter about hiding it?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
I'm leaning towards that.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
There there are times, like I know, Jackson is scary
and unhinged, but there are times where Jesse says something
with a restraint that also scares me. Yes, yeh, I'm like, oh,
he has so much hate and he's so calculating like
that that feels a little dangerous.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
That's a great point. That's a great point. He does
seem like he okay on this episode when he started
talking about at the end where his girlfriend showed up,
Oh right, yeah, that was fascinating. But it's really interesting
because basically she called and said, are you done filming?
Can I come over? Because she was at chateau.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
He likes, uh oh yeahs chateau always a.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Chateau, And because she was at chateau, and she wanted
to know if she could come over. I said, we
were done filming and she could come now, from my understanding,
just from what I'm gleaning from the clues. When she
got there, there was a sign up that said hot set.
If you enter this area, you could be on film, right,
And I have to I'm not an expert, I'm not

(36:24):
in the industry, but I've seen these signs before.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, obvious you're entering a set, or like if you
go sit at this table.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Pushment with cameras, you could be filmed right right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
She entered and then Jesse says, right when she walks in,
they put a boom mic above our heads, and it
sounds to me like she lost her mind started yelling
at production and threatening legal action to production.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Right against like everyone.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, which, so Andy says. Andy had been waiting I
think the whole time. Like, let's just get to the
end of episode three.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
He jumped on that.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
He says to Jesse, like, this is what we heard happened,
and Jessic goes, well, right, when she walked in, they
put a boom mic in her face, and he goes, right.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
That's their job, doing their job. Their jobs to do.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, he said she walked into she walked into an
all cast event hot set.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah. People were still my like cameras were still rolling.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah. And so he says that to Jesse and Jessic goes, yeah,
but he's trying to say, like, but she didn't want
to but she didn't want to film or whatever, and
Andy goes, let me tell you what, if she walked
in here right now, we would do the same thing.
Because these people are doing their job and she was
on a hot set. Do you understand?

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
And when he said that, I got chills. I was like,
oh God.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
And the way Jesse was like yep.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
She's like, yes, Sir, I sure do. And when you
just looked over and Zach, it's.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Like, oh no, yeah, so good.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
And I'm like, I've bet Jesse has been warned, right, Jesse,
either that girlfriend is filming or she's not, and she's not. Oh,
we'll want to know her right, right? Threatening people?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Right?

Speaker 3 (38:04):
And it's like and also I don't love that he
like basically gives his ex shit for like her boyfriend
showing up, and like, if he's gonna show up, at
least he's gonna like say what he does, so like
maybe he can get some publicity and sell some honey.
And it's like yeah, yeah, he's like acknowledging her job
and like doing her a favor by like yeah, putting

(38:26):
a mic on and being like.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
You share your life, I'm part of your life.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Like and remember what he said about Aaron too. He
said something about, oh well, unlike your boyfriend who shows
up and gets paid and she goes, he has never
been paid because the ancillary hereacters don't get.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Paid, right, yeah, if you're.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Not sitting on that couch, you're not getting paid. I mean,
oh my god. It was so good, so the jacks
of it all. So obviously he was do you think
okay that because it was said on camera and they
left it in because they could have cut it out,
that he pushed Brittany into the bushes because they she
said on camera, he broke these chares, he pushed this

(39:05):
table into my leg. We already knew all these bad things.
But when they said on camera that he pushed her
into the bushes and there was ring coverage, was that
the nail in the coffin or was it the once
again with the my show, my.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Show, my show, Oh shoot, I don't know, two bad
things to cha. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I
would like to say that, but like I would like
to think it's because like he was violent, and it's
like you can't you can't be violent against a co
worker or your wife. But like also like you know, yeah,

(39:44):
that's you shouldn't be able to do that. So I'm
assuming it's I'm like assuming it's that. But also the
last time he did my show, My show, My show
was when he had to take a break, So so
like I was like history would say, like it could
just be the my show, My show again.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, I mean Vicky did that and also got.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Fired, right, Yeah, you're right, And.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
There is a third person that did it, but I
can never remember, but there's the third person that did it.
But it's not like Asa maybe or no, no, but
she would if she had sunity. Yeah, I don't know
if she's got it all firing up there to do that.
What's so interesting about Teresa is anybody who's ever met

(40:28):
her in person, just like as a podcaster or a
person that's seen her in a meet and Greeter just
ran into her at the grocery store says she's so nice.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Right, and she seemed to like really make friends with
the women on like The Ultimate Girls Trip, Yeah, where
it was like it seems like take him out of
this like family fight context, she might be really messed.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I just listened to the two parts, and there's going
to be a third part on Bravo Docket about Tommy Manzo.
Oh and the the first case where Dina's husband before
he was her husband, was attacked in a pet Co
parking lot and then he had severe PTSD and everything
else because somebody just jumped out of a car and
ran at him and just beat him to a pulp. Right,

(41:14):
And we haven't even gotten into the second case, where
they were, you know, bound in their own home.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Right where I say, where like someone broke in and
like and beat both of them, terrorize them.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, yeah, beat both of them. So it's everything those
girls do is so interesting because I'm like, okay, because
they're kind of like us. They're kind of snarking about it,
but they're like, well legally yeah. Anyway, I just listened
to that two parter and I'm like, oh, give me
that third part.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Oh that's so interesting.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
God, what people, what bad bad people?

Speaker 2 (41:45):
I know.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah, just fully fully, they're talking about the mob and
the mafia and all that.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, I was like this so straight like Godfather stuff, like.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Lots of soprano references. I guess they filmed a couple
of scenes at the sopranos at the Brownstone.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Oh did they didn't know that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:01):
That's cool, speaking of Okay, more Bravo gossip Denise Richards.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Oh, I feel so bad for her. I yeah, I
feel like she Like I wish she would do some
some introspection to to to like figure out why she
gravitates towards like such horrible men.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Mm hmmm. She met Aaron, though he didn't seem like
I was gonna say, he.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Was obviously not as bad as Charlie Sheen like.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Say, not as bad as Jack's. He's as like yeah,
but he's really close to her dad where they had
that whole show.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Right yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
And so I'm just like, and I feel like she
does under like she seems to have like good family
values and like everything, but something about her is drawn
to these men who end up like being awful.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, awful. So the latest was like she had to
go over to his house, which violated the restraining order,
but she had to go over there because he had
put down one of her dogs. Oh my gosh, she
went to the other dogs.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's horrible.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, Now was it a medical reason whatever? She wasn't
consulted and was told that, yeah, you don't, oh consolidate
those homes. Too many townhouses and houses.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I know I was gonna say.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
I mean, a lot of stuff makes sense now, Like
when during during her show when it was like his
his mom is like his parents and sibling live in
our house and we live in these townhouses. It's like, oh,
because they were like taking over your life or your money.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Or now you can't get them out.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, and it's like, oh, this was part of it
being messy, not like you're so quirky, like.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well listen more to come on that. Okay,
So let's really quickly. I just want to get your
thoughts on the balley besides the Jacks. So, how do
you feel as a vander Pump Watcher? How do you
feel like Kristin the the the The re emergence of
Kristin as a hero this season just made me so happy.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I know, she's like our our phoenix. Oh my life
just went out.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Our phoenix, our phoenix that rose from the ashes, Like
you know, it's been it's been so nice.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Also, I feel like I relate to Kristin a lot.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Really yeah, so I'm.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Just saying she's a couple of years older than me,
and and there are times where I, uh, I don't
handle myself in the best way when I'm real upset
about something and and have maybe had something to drink.
I like to think I've grown as well, like count
to therapy, but like I I can, I can relate

(44:54):
to to crazy Kristin in my in my darker periods,
my younger, wilder period So I always it's just so
satisfying to watch her like grow up, like realize some
of this behavior is self sabotaging, yes, and you know,
helping no one, but also like still be herself and

(45:16):
be a little messy and be like I'm gonna yell the.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Truth even when no one wants to talk about it, Like.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yes, I love it and I love it. On this
this episode, when she says what did she say, she
was like, listen, I'm known as somebody who like gets
to the bottom, Andy goes, that's what you're known for.
It was so good she's like, yeah, I am. And
I love how Luke would say something She's like, don't
shush me.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
He's like, oh, I was so like also I related
to that.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, she don't shush me. No, don't shush me. And
I did like how she was like in season three,
can we just stop at this legal bullshit? You know?
I was like right and Jack so they're like, yeah,
bring back old school, like how it used to be,
like Jack's not old not you no, no, no, no,
I did. I will say that. Seth Rogan was on

(46:06):
Watch What Happens Live last night.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, he's a.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Huge fan and uh eight. He was like, so, I
guess you're not unhappy about you know, you're not sad
that Jackson is leaving. He goes no, He's like, this
guy's just been rewarded for this bad behavior. Because some
people really have opposite takes on that. They're like, I
think Jackson's stay because the show is his idea. I
was like, the show was my idea. I thought of it,

(46:31):
like I mean, everybody thought about that.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I ever was like, we just need a show following them.
They don't work in the rest of that anymore.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
All the old people and give us to rotate the
other ones like menudo or whatever, like what we're doing,
you know. But yeah, I some people really have the
opposite take of like, oh, it's kind of sad because
he thought of it, and like, well, then he should
have been pushing his wife and being a kocad.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I mean right, It's like then he shouldn't have been
like slowly demolishing his life.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Like what do you want us to do about that?
It's his fat And by the way, we all know
he'll be back.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Right and it's like this is a pause. We all
know it, Like you just think.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
And dove because they're going to bring in Shorts and
la la, and it'll be like, right, Schworts's neighbor, Jack's.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Right, of course, you know, yeah, right of course because
they share a wall.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Can you imagine Shorts is probably be like, please don't move.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Oh I felt bad. Fresh Wars was just like she's
just getting.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
His life together, I know, and Jackson's like, hey, I'm
gonna come be a mess right here.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Worts is like, don't jump over this plastic wall to
get to my my balcony. I don't want you over here.
Oh my god. Okay, let's see Janet Now Uh Keisha,
my co host on this show, disagrees. She thinks Janet's
just gonna go nose dives straight next season. I go,
I disagree. I think because she had such a bad

(47:50):
season historically, she'll be beloved next season.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, And I think that if you ever listened Dering
the Scandabll, Janet was on a lot of the podcast.
She was, Oh she does podcast, Chris La LA's podcast,
because she has been around for everything, would never been
on the show, and she was very interesting just as
a person that's now on the show. And so I
think Christa's right. I do think the minute she got
on TV she changed.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, it's not I mean it seems like it.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yeah, like even yeah, and like even Jesse, who's like
I'm tight with you, but like, yeah, you insert yourself
a lot and like ways then are unexpected, like I did.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Like how Jesse leaned over to Jason and goes, you
need to apologize for calling him a clown.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
That's funny. That was good.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
It's good because you know, if Jesse's got to tell
you you did something wrong, you need to really.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, like you gotta really pause and think. But yeah,
I'm I'm not sure. I'm not sure if she's someone
like we love to hate like forever, or if she's
gonna make that turn. I kind of wondered if it
was gonna happen this season because I I was like,
she's had the baby.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Maybe she's like, ah, knows.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
What her personality is going to be like without as
many hormones. Maybe, like, I mean, I know there's still
lots of hormones after you have a baby, but you know,
I was like, maybe, like, you know, maybe she'll be
a little more chill or something.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
But she wasn't.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
No, I feel like she got less chill when she
wasn't pregnant.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
I think she was starving because she lost like forty pounds.
I think she's just hungry.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
All the time.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
I know, right, yeah, I'm so hungry. Miami. I did
not see this week, But tell me something great that happened.
I was too deep in the Love is Blind recaps
right right? What happened to Miami this week?

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Miami, Well, they like everyone's still trying to get Gerty
and excuse me. Everyone's trying to get Girty and Julia
to make up. Yes, and then Julia decides like we
should go to Spain because Alexia loves Spain and she's
all stressed out with this todd business of like will

(50:04):
they won't they? And then so then Stephanie the new
one is like great, I have like a private jet.
It can take us from like one part of Spain
to the other, so we don't have to drive. Also,
it can take us to Spain. But for that long
of a trip, I can only take like a couple
of you guys. And so why just just to I

(50:29):
assume it's like a weight versus versus like gas mileage
thing of like they're going further, like it helps if
the plane is lighter.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I don't know, because.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Remember Erica had two planes, like one that was for international.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Right right, yeah, okay, So like I'm thinking it has
something to do with that she can only bring like
four women, and so I forget exactly who she picked,
but it's like it's gonna be it's Stephanie Julia, and then.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
She had she doesn't like Alexia.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
I was gonna say it was Stephanie and Julia, like
maybe I don't know if it was Gerdye or not.
I can't remember off the top of my head, but
like AA is always the main The main thing was
like basically she she told Marisol or no, she told
Alexia because like they weren't getting along, Like I offered

(51:24):
Marisol a play a place on the plane, but she
said like, no, I won't go without Alexia.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
So do you want the last spot?

Speaker 3 (51:32):
And she's like, well, no, because I'm not going to
go without Marisol.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
She was trying to like split them up.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
And then and then so they go back to like
a group dinner and she's like, I'll take Audriana because
like I I don't know her very well. And Audrianna's
pissed because Julia was invited and Julia would never say like, oh,
if Audriana's not going, I'm not going. Of course, not right,

(52:02):
And she's like and so she's upset because like she's,
you know, Alexei and marisa'll have this beautiful close friendship.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
They'll never go anywhere without each other, like I wish
I had that.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
She used to have it with Julia, right, And.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
It's like and she thinks Julia should have spent like, oh, well,
if Alexia isn't coming, I'm not going, but no, hell yeah,
I'm going on the private jet.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, to go to Spain.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
I think taking a private plane that far seems a little.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Scared, right, And I was like, this is like, this
is just to be messy, this is just to cause
cause chaos amongst the women and like pick pick teams.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Basically the New Girl. Every everything I've seen is like
that house that she was showing with her birken wall
and blah blah blah. My house is like way into foreclosure, right.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I was gonna say it's in foreclosure.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
It seems like a lot of his properties like aren't
doing hot or he's not his business isn't doing hot.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
It's true housewives fashion. I mean it's all a facade,
all smoke and mirrors. Now for OC this week, I
did get a chance to watch and people really really
you know and just you know, speaking of you, like
your show when you had the thing with Tarmra and
you and Chris were talking. I I I might be

(53:24):
one of the few people who's like, I don't mind Tamra.
I think she's good on the show right to bother me.
I don't know her.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
I feel similarly like I just feel like so comfortable
with her, even though she makes me uncomfortable with the
things she does sometimes.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, comfortable.
We're just we're with her. We've been with her, right, yeah,
sort of like Vicky, like we're with her, we've been
with her, right.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
It's fun and like sensitized to how shitty she is.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Like we're also very desensitized to the new faces that
show up on our screen. We get used to them
really quickly, like really quickly. You'd be like when you
first see something, you're like, whoa, like larsa bibbin, whoa
she looks so different and you're like, eh, she looked
that different.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
It all, it all sort of mashes together when you
when you really look at it.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, And like Gretchen literally looks like an Instagram filter,
Like how.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I was like, how does she walk around looking like
a little smudged?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Like I love it?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Just yeah, like we were saying before we started, like
we just need like a little bas lane on the Yeah,
how does she look like that?

Speaker 2 (54:34):
I have no idea?

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Magic, We need to get ready with me video from
her right, and she shows us what products.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
She's setting spray or you're like primer or something, because
it's like.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, somebody this week, and I heard about this through
watchfood Crappins put out. You guys, go and listen to
the Crappin's recap to get this exact information. But somebody
put out a list of all of the problematic post
that Gretchen has liked this year, like not fifteen.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Years ago, yesterday, yeah, yeah, and they're all very much
like homosexuality equals pedophilia, you know, like just anti anti gay,
anti trans, like very maga.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
But it's not even it's not even like anti gay,
it's it's it's.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
It's like damaging gay like it's it's.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Like it's like if you're homosexual, that means you're a pedophile.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
It's like yeah, like lad propaganda, like.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
And it's so upsetting. And I will tell you that
this week on Crapus. I was listening earlier today and
that's the whole thing is Like before they started, Ben
was telling Ronnie about it because he was like, I
know you probably liked gretching this episode. I don't want
to get too far down the story before I tell
you what happened. And so every single thing than after
that that they would say about Gretchen and he'd be like, God,

(56:03):
I love that she's taken Tamper down, but ooh.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah, it's frustrated.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
It really like messes with watching it because they're like, oh,
this is satisfying, but also she's so shitty and bad
for society.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
She's actually maybe she's a bad person. Oh, I mean,
it's not like we didn't know it.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Right, right, And it's like with Orange County, we should
expect like the majority of them might lean right, yeah,
like it's a privative area, but like to be so
aggressively like spreading misinformation about it, Like it's like, hey, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
It's interesting you said that. So it's like it's one
thing to like lean right and be a Republican. Find
everybody has their own opinions, and most people in my
family are and I am different, and that's okay, like
everybody we can all just get along. But it's so
interesting that you said that. But so, my husband is
a lobbyist here in DC. He works for a company.
He's not the for higher kind. He's working the same
company for I don't know, thirty years, so we're certain

(57:00):
energy company. And he was talking today about a guy
he knows, and I was like, how is this just
guy that's been in our zeitgeist for all these years.
And he was talking about how he's meeting him for lunch,
and I go, what did you ever even get to know?
How did you ever get to know him? Because he's
like a big Republican lobbyist and my husband's very in
the middle. And he goes, uh, oh, well, this was

(57:21):
back in the day when I first met him, when
I worked for this Democratic congressman. He worked for a
Republican congressman. But that was back in the day when
we all just hung around together, leaned against the wall
and talked shit about everybody. Basically, you know, as the lobbyist,
we're all just like, I'm going to go to that
office and that office Democrat. Was it so separated, right, right,

(57:42):
he goes, And that's how we got to be good friends.
And we're just like still good friends, even though we're
you know, kind of on different sides of the aisle.
We agree on a lot of the same issues in
the energy policy. I was like, it's so interesting, right,
and he goes, yeah. He gues, I got so many
of those guys that we all just look back at it,
we see it now how it is now, and it's
so divided, right, right, he goes, you feel like he goes,

(58:04):
he goes, and in that weird that you just asked me, like,
you know, he goes ten years ago, would you have
asked me like A, You're.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Like surpright and you're like whoa, Like how did you Yeah? Yeah,
how do you even this guy connect?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Like yeah, and he goes ten years ago? You probably wouldn't.
I go, no, I wouldn't thought anything about it. But
now everything is so divided totally.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
And it's so interesting you say that because when you
see something like OC and you think, well, all these
women are probably like that. I just think, like you
look at Heather du Bro, who has.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Right, and it's like Heather obviously isn't.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Isn't because she's got children on all forms of the
gay spectrum, you know. And my understanding is is that
at the end of the season this is all to
come to a head.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
But yeah, I was gonna say, like Tamra and in
an interview sort of said, it seems like it gets
dark and the the issue with like Gretchen liking hate
things that yes that aren't true, yes that you know,
going yeah, like it's gonna like come up and like,

(59:10):
you know, good on Heather for like being a mama.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Bear and like calling out calling out hate.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Like yeah, it's really really interesting. So it's sort of
interesting how this particular show sort of like the one
season of Real House West of New York where they
were having you know, Carol Radswell and all that. Because
generally politics and what's happening in the world other than
COVID don't enter into our shows at all. It's like
it's its own bubble that doesn't change, you know, it's

(59:38):
like being in the movie with Jen Carrey shum shoe.
But it's gonna be interesting because I mean, everybody's sort
of heard. At the end of this season, it comes
to a head and it is regarding Heather, You're broke
kind of finding out Gretchen's hateful views.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Right yeah, and it's yeah, it's it's like a sign
of our times that like the political is becoming so
interpersonal that like it's gonna yeah, like it's gonna be
an issue between housewives like who live in and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Like, yeah, very interesting. I think I don't know how
we got on this topic, but I yeah, I feel
I'm very happy for Gina and I know a lot
of people are Emily and Gina Boo. I'm like, Emily,
she's fine. I don't know, so I have a strong opinion,
but I just.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Love I do too. I love her.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
I love her little silly accent that she plays into,
like and I'm I'm so like I feel happy for her,
Like it's great she's in a big enough house. She's
not in her casita, Like she's worked her way up.
She and Travis are like working through like his difficult stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Like I think that situation is still bad.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
I feel so bad for them and for their kids
to be like uprooted or not see like a step
sibling for a long time, Like that just has.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
To be hard.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
And like she's handling she seems to be like handling
it well and like like growing with with her circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah, and good for her unless she's like you know,
of course, I'm like, if I lived in the OC,
i'd buy a house from Gina, right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Like yeah, and according according to my husband who's from there,
like that's what everyone does in Orange County. He's like, yeah,
if I have a friend who's stayed in Orange County
there in real estate, Like it's what you do there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Really, Well that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah, Well, good for her.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
She's killing it in a difficult market.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
But was he always a real chor Travis, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
I feel like he kind of was under the impression
they did it around the same time, or he became
a realtor like right before her, But I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Huh. Well, I don't know what's happening with his ex,
but that just seems like such a toxic situation. I mean,
she's told stories I've heard on podcast except where like
she'll come outside her house and that woman is like
across the street taking pictures of her.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Yeah, she's like harasses them and like withholds the children,
like which is so cruel to the kids.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Like it's so messed up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
You're just like God, at some point you gotta let.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
It go right, and it's yeah, it just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Well, I am glad that I feel.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Bad for her, but like also I'm like kind of
proud of her, Like I feel like we're watching her like,
you know, tough it out and get through hard situations
and like, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I liked how when Shannon got the DUI and everything.
I liked how she really sat with Shannon and she
was like, she was like, but you didn't have a
drinking problem, and she goes, yes, I did shed a drink. Yeah,
I liked all of it, so listen again. My opinion
on Emily is like she's fine. You know, it's just
sort of like me, I don't care, like I feel

(01:02:48):
like we about Jen Padronti. She's fine, but I really like,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I like too, Yeah, I kind of love Jen because
like I love like a naive baby. And I feel
like somehow, even though she around these people, she hasn't
quite like learned what their personalities are like yet, Like
she's still surprised that Tama's like shitting on her.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
They said this week they kept saying the fatty photo
of Oh, I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Was like, that's still it's like me on a good day.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
So fatty photo. This woman had like four kids, like
fatty photo. Oh my god, oh rough, she should just
go on her Instagram at posts like the fatty photo
and then what she looks like now and be like
suck it, you know, yeah, like I did this, you know.
And then Katie, Oh, Katie, jury's out on Katie. Katie

(01:03:39):
also doesn't know how to play the game.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
I feel I feel bad for her, Like I hate
watching a group gang up on one person, especially if
that's the only person of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Color on the cast.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Just wish she would.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
I just wish she would admit things when she got caught,
because she'll like kind of she kind of like tell
the line with the life for a bit and then
like half admitt it. And it's like, girl, just come
clean when you get caught. It'll make things so much easier.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yes, just like I was new here, I didn't know.
I thought this is what we did. Yeah, I shouldn't
have done it, and then I shouldn't have showed it,
you know. I just I'm trying to They always sy
I'm trying to fit in with this group, which means
I'm trying to be on the show, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Like I'm trying to stay relevant.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Yeah, and she could just like admit it. But it's
just like that, you know, heatherdbro And like I did
not call the Papa Razzi on myself, Well, no you didn't,
but your PR person did, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
It was like, yeah, you specifically didn't dial right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Sure, But like Katie just needs to be a little
smarter because I do want her to stay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Right, And I like that she ruffles the heather's feathers,
like without like lying when she does that, you know,
so like, yeah, I like her.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I think her story of being in a bad marriage
and then the kids and back, I think that is
relatable to a low totally.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
And I I think her showing you know, you can
like get through these things. I think all that is
a good story that we're not getting to hear because
she just shut herself in the foot right away.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
She's yeah, this whole like did you call the blogger
stuff is like yeah, taking over.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Which Kiki Monique is like she definitely called me right totally.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
It's like also just come clean where it's like you
can even say like sorry, like I come from like
a sort of journalism like call other journalists background even
like I'd buy that as like a golf reporter, you know,
it's like just be real, be like I thought I was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I thought I could play like both games. Realize I can.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
As a golf reporter, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
But it's like it's like, because you know, I was
talking to my husband about this, he's a journalist, and
he's like he's like, I do kind of see where
she's coming from. If she's coming all from a journalists
lens of like sure, I'll like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Kiki with with Kiki.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Yeah, I'll have a chat with these girls all sort
of a staffs a relationship with them, like like you
would as a journalist.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
But it's like, but you're a real housewife in this instance.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Yeah, I mean, And I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Like, this is giving her a lot of grace. And
where she's coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Is she calling another golf reporter to be like did
you hear.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
No, No, it's like she's seeking out like Bravo Gossipers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
So yeah, well look.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
She made it onto a season two and that's a
big hurdle.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Right, I was gonna say, yeah, she stayed relevant enough,
ruffled the right feathers.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I do love looking at her because she's so pretty.
Tony's so stylish, and I'm like I always enjoyed just
a little eye candy on my screen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Totally totally thing beautiful to look at.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Okay, we are done, but I want you to tell
everybody about your podcast again we talked about at the
beginning on my time, because this is such a great idea,
and tell me who's coming out. Yeah, and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
We are Hot Masterpiece Theater. We do deep dives into
into why reality TV is good art and why you're
classy for liking it. I have on really cool guests
and we talk about one of their favorite reality TV scenes.
I had on Christa Rosa, who's awesome. Who am I

(01:07:16):
having on Anna Roisman who does great impressions? Yeah? Who else?
Eric Williams from That's a Gay ass Podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Just some really fun people. I'm gonna have Gibson coming
on soon. We talked about and hopefully you Mary gotta
get you on. This got a favorite scene. So yeah,
we do deep dives into reality TV, and you know,
it's a place for high brow conversations about low brow TV.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Okay, as we were talking, I just came up with
another iconic scene. So now I've got two and when
we hang up, I'll tell you what there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Okay, because I'm wondering when you said Gibson was like
a wonder if you'll come up? Oh yeah, the same
one is it was? He and I kind of think alike. Okay,
you guys, everybody go and follow Julia. Do we follow
hot Mess.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
You can follow us on Instagram at hot master Piece Pod.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Okay, you can find all the info there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Okay, I didn't know if you want people to follow
you there or at your personal or.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Yeah, yeah, let's do let's do this show.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
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