August 29, 2025 • 46 mins
Mary Payne and Keisha talk about another sad episode of Family Lockup (s1e2) "The Lost Brother". On this episode, two brothers have bad hairdos and mom and son both haven't slept in years. Dr. Jeff sasses his way through the therapy sessions and we hope Robert can get the rehab he desperately needs!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Pizzachade. It's many paying here, it's Friday,
and I have got Keisha here because we're going to
talk about family lock up. Almost said the wrong thing,
Kisha almost said love after lock up, but it's family
lock kay.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I know. It's a Friday morning, and you guys, here's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We thought we were gonna get the screeners and we
were gonna have this episode out when you woke up
Friday morning and be in your feed, but they decided
not to go to screeners this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Maybe forever. We're not sure.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'm planning it's gonna be a foreverything too, So I'm
thinking this may be just the norm what we're doing
right now. Because no, that looked good, that looked promising.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It doesn't. We don't.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
We don't prefer to record in the morning, especially Keisha
because she's an hour behind me and neither one of
us are early birds.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So no, we're not.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
No, we're not those that those type of girls at all.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But here we are. We're going to talk about this
show more addiction, more sadness.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
There gotta be some episodes in there that are not addiction,
Like can we have like a shoplifting ring or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Like, yeah, I'd like just some straight up grand theft
auto I'd like I'd like some white collar crime. I'd
like somebody origin checks for no reason. Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It doesn't have to be everybody's on drugs, But unfortunately the.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
World we live in a lot of people are on
drugs and do go to prison because of it.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I guess we'll see. I have hope we're gonna get
some in.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
There that are not little not addiction because this is.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Rough, because addiction is it kind of hard?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, makes it hard for us. I have to recap it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
But there are lessons to be learned here. So let's
see if we can figure them out. Okay, I immediately
need to help when we go into this, this couple
as we call them, So, Okay, Robert is the prisoner. Okay,
Brandon is the half brother of Robert. Yes, they seem
(02:30):
to have the same dad. Yes, okay, But Robert, the
older brother, grew up wealthy and Brandon, the second brother,
grew up in the hood.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Does that mean I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Think he was I don't think he was wealthy. I
think he was like a suburb kid.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So does that mean Dad was married to Robert's mom,
who we see Dad was married to her. They had
a nice life, everything was fine, and then Dad married
somebody and had Brandon and moved to the hood.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I I personally think that Dad probably didn't marry any
of the women that he has children with because he
was an addict himself.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So I think he was just around slinging dick and
getting bit just pregnant and in.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Oh, you know what, gotta go because he's easier to
find a hood.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
But he would say, he said, when I would go
to my dad's house, so it was the dad's house,
and it maybe Dad was with Brandon's mom at the time,
but maybe not married and maybe just they.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Had a house mama. Yeah kind of situation. Yeah. Dad
doesn't get mentioned a lot other than just that introduction
right there.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, And so I literally my first note is immediately
I need help figure this family out.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, because sorry, there's a weird.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Uh because I remember Brandon actually saying that Robert's mom
would come and pick him up so he could go
over to her house to spend time with Robert.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
So I guess the baby mama's got along quite well.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So confusing.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Now if we beat Brandon, Okay, he's the half brother
of Robert. Robert is serving five months for a parole violation,
which we immediately know that probably means drugs. He's gonna
be released in four days. Why aren't we doing this
four days before?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I don't know, but I couldnot get past you know,
he was making that taffy and I'm like, why can't
you not trade some of that taffy for our haircut?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Because that hair bothered me the entire episode.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Both hair.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yes, Brandon's hair was so egregious. What was happening? Did
he He's losing his hair and he's brushed it all
forward into a bowl.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
He was giving me eminem Circle circa two thousand and
two or something like that. Maybe he watched the movie
eight Miles Miles, like eight times too many or something.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
It was a lie, it was it was.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
There's a lot of hair, A yeah, because Robert also
had terrible hair. So okay, so they have the same dag.
They're half brothers. Growing up, they didn't hang out too
much because Robert was older, but Robert was fun when
he would come over to Brandon's house to.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Their dad's house.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
They would watch wrestling, and he remembers as a kid
having to visit his brother Robert in juvenile detention, and
that's when he realized like his brother was on the
wrong path, right, And it says Robert grew up in
a very nice neighborhood while he, Brandon grew up in
the hoods surrounded by addiction.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Isin't that funny how it goes? You know what I mean?
You you would think it would be reversed, but not.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Addiction doesn't discriminate, as we know, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And he said, right out of high school, he joined
the army, which made him who he is today. But
Robert has been in and out of jail, battling addiction,
and he's done backstabbing things to the entire family.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
That happens a lot. It's a lot too.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah. So in twenty sixteen, Brandon was living with their
older brother. No he didn't say, he says other brother,
their other brother, Nathan. He had just bought his first
house and Robert moved in with the brothers. And it
was fine until out of nowhere he got back into
his addiction. And he said, and when he's.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Using, he's stealing and he's lying, and he says, after
he stole from me, I cut him off.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's been eight years.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I want to have a relationship with my brother, but
he has to be able to change. So he hasn't
really talked to him in eight years. So I don't
think I'm coming in crazy, coming in.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Four days before. You don't have a relationship with him anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I mean, no, you don't even know this person anymore.
I just the four days before eight years. Yeah, that's
threw me off. Yeah, that that that threw me off
big time.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I wish it would have been were coming in thirty
days before so we can talk to him and then
make him go to this thirty day program. So at
least he's got But I mean a two day head
start is not gonna do it, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, I was. I was shocked when they said that.
I was like, uh okay, So.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Literally the four days, what three of them are spent
with his brother.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, and then he gets out that, Yeah it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Made me listen, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So we see Brandon getting processed blah blah blah, and
he says, you know this seems you know, inhumane. I'm
sacrificing a lot for my brother, and my brother doesn't
have the plan to be on the right track and
get sober.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's it. I'm not gonna have.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
A relationship with him.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Were already a relationship, right.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So we meet Robert Gatz. He's thirty eight. He's the
brother of Brandon. He's in there for shoplifting and approbation violations,
assault and battery, stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
It's no big deal.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So we've seen worse, no big time.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
He explains he was in and out of a jubie
from fourteen to eighteen with various charges. That was a
really hard time for him when he was in juby
and at the time he was really just no biggie.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
He was doing ex coke and.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Then hard drugs came at twenty eight, So ten years
ago he was a stay at home dad.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
That poor baby was given two bottles on east side
of his bouncy seat and put in front of the
TV to watch Dora the Explorer and take care of
itself the whole entire day.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Terrible, terrible.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
What kind a mother would leave her a baby with Robert.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, she's like, listen, he shouldn't have a choice.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
He's just doing a little ex little coke, a little pot,
it'll be it'll be.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Fine to get into fitting all and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And then baby babe, I should ask a little sen
year old girl next door if she could baby sit instead.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So he says, his buddy came over, who was Okay.
I had to read this a couple of times because
first I thought he said he got percoset. Then I
was like, oh, well, let's explain what the injury was.
But no, his buddy came over who had a prescription
for percocet, and he took it. But then he says,
he really didn't know it, but when you first sniffed it,
it was everything. He So he snorted up the percocet
(09:18):
and he said it was everything he wanted to feel.
But eventually it got too expensive, so he found heroin.
As it goes, so he said, he says, I have
a beautiful son. He had a seizure at age five,
and after that, you know, we didn't know what was
going on with him, and I tried to numb himself.
(09:38):
So the boy maybe has epilepsy. I don't that's not
ever totally.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
He didn't get into his dad's stashed or anything like
that that would have been fucking horrible.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But okaysha, I didn't it.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Could have happened, especially with Robert being the babysitter, I mean,
leaving his shit out and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I didn't even think of that would be awful. I
hate when they don't explain stuff. I'm like, no, it's
all had a seizure.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
We need to know exactly the diagnosis, Like why did
you chow have a seizure?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Where is this child? Is a child? Okay?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Now, like because they mentioned they mentioned the kid, so
the kid's around, but we just don't know, right is
the mother?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So he says after that, you know, it was so
upsetting to him that he just tried to numb himself
and he lost everyone to his addiction. He lost his
child's mother, he lost his kid, his family, you know,
he lost everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And look, can I just say that this dude looks
like he has not had a good night's sleep in
like thirteen years.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
He's got the horrible BedHead, he's got the red eyes.
He just looks like he hasn't slept well.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
He yeah, ah, that's true. He does look like complete shit.
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Speaker 2 (12:16):
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Speaker 3 (12:19):
I really thought that they were going to say that
he was using while he was in prison because he.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Looks like it he does, or he's just had such
bad withdrawals that this is the you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And he says, I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Advising, advising before we start filming, please.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Like damn, did somebody give me a brush for this hair?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just I don't think a brush should do anything because
it's like growing out.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I think it's like he needs a squirt bottle so
he can it was rush.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It down, channeling will from life after luck up a little.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Bit with the sticking up here and there. Just never know,
just yeah, espially want to lick your head and go
I might help you out.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
My son has a one of his best friends.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
His hair looks like that, and it is wild because
that I think it's on purpose.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And you're all like, oh, I was like, his hair is.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Insane, and my son's like, I don't know, he likes
it like that, but it looks just like it looks
exactly like that.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It's just pieces all over the place because it's so.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Straight that he can't do it. It's yeah, oh boy,
it's like straight and thick, so it just sticks straight up.
He says, his mother, you know, had to take him
in and out of detoxes many many times. And he
talks about, you know, his brother being there, and he says,
you know, a brother's love is really strong and I
can remember him and I hope we can rebuild.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So it's strong unless you're stilling from him, right.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Sounds like a lot less strong lock ever, both his brothers.
It sounds like, yeah, we don't see Nathan in there.
So I got a little fruit fly kesha want to say.
One said, you know what, you got all my friends,
but you're not getting me, motherfucker.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Haha.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So you know I noticed that whenever you know they
were bringing Brandon in, did you notice what they did
that they didn't do last time.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
What they made him do, the bendover cough.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I heard him say, hey, we have to do this,
you know, but you're gonna have to bend over, you
have to spread them.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
But then you heard him go, you heard him cough.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I would have been like, where the contract exactly?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Didn't say this ship was okay and necessary because I'm
gonna need you guys to give me a.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Fucking extra thousand dollars. Show him a butthold this is
time necessary. I would I'm like, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Think about the button they have to see ew and
what if something comes out?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
What if she cough and something pops out?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I would fall out on that fucking floor.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
You'd be like, it is not worth it. Whenever the
state came he for this job, or.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
It's not worth it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
This has fucked me up for a lifetime right now,
Like that would be just the smell.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Ooh eoh, why did you go there? Stop on trying
to enjoy my coffee.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, So here's where I said, are we going to
discuss Brandon's hairstyle, knowing we would have already discussed it. Okay,
so Brandon will be by himself. He'll be away from
his brother for twenty four hours, which we still think
is stupid to experience prison and the talk ahead Brandon
is like, I don't give a shit about this. I
(15:37):
grew up, you know, I was in the military. I
grew up in the hood. My dad was in and
out of jail for addiction. I've been around a lot
of bad people, so I do have to watch my back,
but I'm not. He's like, I'm not worried about this.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, he was pretty smart about it, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, even though you know he Chucky came up to
him trying to be nice. I have never met a
Chucky that wasn't bad. From the dog to my cousin,
every Chucky I've ever met has just been bad. Like,
think about it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I've never known anybody named Chucky.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But there was a player and all this that got
hit and paralyzed and his name was Chucky Mullins and
they have like a statue to him on campus. Everything
he did eventually die. But geez, so he was a
good guy. But I that's the only cho I didn't
know him. I just know of him. I've never met
anybody named Chucky in my life. All we know Chuck
(16:31):
from ninety Day Fiance Libby's dad, Chuck.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I know a Chuck, but I know some Chucky's And
I'm just telling you it's something about when they act
that I e. That just just fucks it all up,
like they're just bad or that why, yeah, just bad.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, the people are trying to talk to him, and
he's like, m like, you want to play ping pong?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
You want to do this?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
He's like, narp I got twenty four hours to ignore
all you motherfuckers.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
So look ping pong in the regular world. So like
a good time.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Ping pong in prisons sounds like, buttholes may be included,
like involved in it, Like there's.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
No, no, no, no, we're not doing that. Sounds a
little bit sexual to me.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It sounds to me like once you lose at ping pong,
now you owe me all your sheets and bedding and
that's how that's the rules. You didn't know they go
and just take all your shit. Yeah, No, he did
get he was smart, he didn't get involved. So oh lord,
here comes doctor Jeff. He swaggers in, He's got a swagger,
he swaggers in.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
He is ready, he is ready for the lights, camera
action always Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So he comes, he comes in, He arrives to see Robert.
So Robert is trying to talk to doctor Jeff, but
he doesn't even make eye contact him. He's he won't
look at him. Yeah, And he tells him he was
addicted to opiates. It was heroin, and he's and he
also says he used to sell drugs, so that's new information.
He said, my mother was great, but I just went
(17:58):
to the streets, had nothing to do with her. And
he says, you know, my mom to me really was
like an ATM. He said, I put so much on her.
I would give her such a hard time. It has
been so bad for her. So Jeff says, what about
your brother Brandon. He says, well, Brandon went off to
the army after high school and I haven't seen him
in ten years. You know, I stole money from him.
(18:20):
I felt awful because I'm the oldest. And to be honest,
he'd love for Brandon just to give him a chance.
And Jeff goes, Okay, what's your plan for saying sober?
You know most people go from here to a sober
house and he goes.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Nah, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I don't want to hear people talking about addiction and
drugs every day. I just want to be normal and
just leave it in the past. That's just well, my
way is to not deal with it.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
That's not a good idea.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And you you don't understand addiction the way that you
think you do.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
You just know how to be an addict. You don't
know how to overcome addiction.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And he says, my way just is not to deal
with it, and Jeff goes, uh, huh, So, how long
have you been sober this time?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And he says, right now, five months. We're not sure
we believe that.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I didn't believe that. I was actually quite surprised when
he said.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
That he's been so good it god.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
So in the talking head, doctor Jeff is like, I'm
very concerned going into a sober house is the right
way to stay sober. His way is not the way.
Just like forget it and go back to regular life.
So he just said he was a drug dealer. So
day one, he's meeting with his uh, Brandon is meeting
with Robert's counselor to review what's happened since he's been
(19:37):
in there, and Brandon is saying, you know, oh, you know,
I'm hoping my brother's okay, we can rekindle the relationship.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
She goes, okay, well, i'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Robert was in a twenty eight day program and he
had six absences and you're only allowed to have one.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So he was terminated from the program.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And Brandon goes, damn, he's in jail with nothing else
to do, and he can't give me to this group.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I agree, I like it.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Whenever a person is in prison, they come out like
ripped up, because like, what the fuck else are you doing?
Like you might as well work out, I don't know,
go to the drug program.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
That means he went one day and then probably skip
the next.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Six days and they're like, we're done with you and
you can't come back. Yeah, you can't come back.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Stupid.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
He goes, well, it seems like if he won't do that,
he's not taking it seriously. And she goes and it
sounds like his home plan is to go back to
his apartment where he was before, and.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
He was like wow.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
And she goes, and you know, his drug of choice
and he's a heroine. She goes and fentanyl. Oh, it's
like so dangerous and he's like what, Yeah, he said, No,
I didn't I didn't know. Well, I mean, how would
he know. He hasn't talked to many Yeah, yeah, she says,
you know, there are things we can do to help him.
There's AISS all Inclusive Health Services to help him on
(20:53):
the day of his release. There's meetings he can go
to immediately. There's things we can't do. If you go
to the AISS, that will help him, right, and Brandon goes.
But if he doesn't want it, I can't help him.
I'm here to help him as much as I can
and explain that he's going to lose me.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
As a brother.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I got two days to encourage him to get a
plan going or it sounds like a death sentence.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, it is, fucking Are I with fitting all?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Okay, So Robert and Brandon are going to meet with
doctor Jeff and the talking head. Robert says, the relationship
with my brother is the most important thing to be
But I've done some terrible things and I would understand
if my brother wants to let go of the relationship,
and I would never fault him for that. You haven't
talked to him in eight years, he's already help each other.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, y'all don't know each other at all.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Neither one of you knows how the other's hair is
gonna look.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
It's gonna be a fart for both of you. Filthy hair.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And I tell you what, I was waiting for doctor
Jeff to be like, Okay, guys like Brandon didn't say
anything about my jacket put and we all pick a
moment from my jacket, Please a moment for this jacket.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I did.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Chick me up.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
He cracks me up. He did have like a nice
little like sweater under his jacket. He looks great, he
always does.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
He could dress. Yeah, he dressed as well.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
So they see each other and they hug, and nobody
says anything about the other one's hair, which was surprising.
The one was like, God, your hair is fucked up.
The other one's like, yeah, cool, look at yours. So
Brandon says to Robert, He's like, man, I've been in
here like one day.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Man, this place, this place, ain't it? Man? This place
in it?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And doctor Jeff comes in and Robert gets really teary
and he says life is going by him, and he
says the drugs have put me in a standstill, and
Jeff goes, you're.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Out of here in two days, and he got.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
No plan, and he goes, well, I'm just gonna go
get a job and fill my time because in the
past I would just sell drugs to fill my time.
So I'm just gonna have to change everything, like my
whole Outlook, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Just and that's the whole plan right there, to get out.
I'm going to get a job. On the first day,
I'm going to move back into my apartment. What about
like and by the way, I'm I'm sure the apartment.
I'm sure the apartment is gone. By the way, I'm
sure gone. It's probably gone. But also, can you imagine
what it looks like? No, his hair, that's.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
A good one. Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
So Jeff says, so what are you doing to do that? Like,
what have you done? And he goes, well, I've done
a group and Jeff goes one group. He goes, yeah,
I did a group, and Jeff go Jeff goes the
twenty eight day program.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You didn't complete it. You're just ready to go and
get out of here. And you didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
You didn't do the program. And he goes when you
guys are just in. You're like throwing shots at me.
And Jeff goes, oh, so you think we're picking on you,
and he goes, no, I.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Don't think you're picking you. Just it was shot to
be Okay, I missed a couple of groups, but it
wasn't helping me at all.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Well he only went to one.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It wasn't helping me, man, And Brandon goes, okay, so
just speak up about that. Let me know.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Why why do you keep coming back here, like to prison?
And Robert goes, I'm not coming back here, Brandon. I've
been here one time since two thousand and six. And
Brandon goes, okay, bro, I visited you in juvie. It's
been the same thing since that. Man, it's over and over.
You're my brother, and I love you, man, and you're
my older brother. And this is why I'm here. So
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Robert gets up and tries to leave, like he's crying.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
He like he can't take anything, Like he could hardly
just sit down in a chair. Yeah, Like I feel
like there's something else going on with him that we
just don't know about.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, Like he was too worked, he was too amped
up for me.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
He can't take this confrontation.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
He doesn't want to hear about what he's done and
making them ns for it or anything like that. So
Jeff says, you know, Robert, we need for you to
be clean and sober. That's what we need for you.
So he gets up, he walks out. He's like, take
off my mike, take off my mic and he said.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
This sucks. Fuck on you guys, you know, so the
talking head Brandon goes.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Robert just plays the victim like I'm here to help him,
and he says, I'm throwing shots, like you know, he's
out of his comfort zone in this place and I'm
here for him.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So now they're going to be housed together to continue
to confront issues in the relationship. I was like, oh man,
I thought that was the end of Robert. I thought
we weren't go to see him again, but I guess
we are.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I mean, I don't know if I would have wanted
to go wanted to go back with Robert, Like is
he gonna abandon me? He's gonna tell these people to
beat me up, He's gonna give him some taffy.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
To fucking give me a shiner, Like nervous.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I'd be nervous too.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So they go back to go to the unit and
the producer is asking Robert, Okay, you're gonna need to
put your mic on everything. He goes, no, I don't
see the point of this. I don't I don't see
the point of this. And the producer says, your your
brother is here in jail to have conversations with you,
so I'm talking head. Robert goes, I feel, Brad, my
brother's had time out of his life to do this
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and help me and step into my life.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I mean it means a lot, but I mean.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
He don't care.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So Robert says, come eat with me. So he and
Brandon take their little trays and sit at the chest
table or whatever, and they eat and they talk about
how bad the food is, and Robert's like, I mean,
this is bad, but it's definitely been worse. And Robert says, look,
I'm glad you're here and bran and Brandon says, I
just want you to have a game plan with an
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action plan and doing what you're doing just lead you
back here or into the grave.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
It's one of the two.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
And he says, and maybe I haven't seen you in years,
but I wanted to physically present myself to you to
show you that I still love you and that I
have hope for you. Yeah, and Robert says, well, I'll
be out in two days, and so hopefully we can
keep in touch because I need positive people in my life,
and he goes, you.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Got to be that.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Those a not the people at the rehab like they're
not positive enough.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Like, no, they're too much. They're talking about addiction he
don't want to talk about.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
They're just a bunch of Debbie downers in there. So yeah,
I doesn't want my brother.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
No, no, no, just need positivity.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
It brings them down, and it brings them down.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Those people are annoying.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, and Brandy goes, you gotta fall through, man, you
gotta be consistent, you gotta be sober.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I love you, man, They hug whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Day three, you want to talk about somebody who looks
like that hadn't slept in thirty years. Here comes Robert's mom.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
This thing has been She looked like she saw demons
in her sleep last night, Like she just looked worn out.
And I'm sure she's probably worn out from him worrying
about him.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
And maybe she's drink too much the night before.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I don't know, but she she did not come in
camera ready.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But we also don't know if Robert's her only child,
and then Brandon and Nature our only child.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I assumed.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, And then the other two brothers are with other mother,
So she sits with him.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You know, they hug and it's very sad.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, And she says, your Robert, if you don't make
these changes to get sober, I can't I can't be
there for you anymore.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You can imagine. And I had a cousin in my
life who just drains the life out of you. And
I mean he my cousin eventually died, and you the
drain everything from the parent.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
The parents get divorced over it because.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
One parent wants to wants to give all the money
and the other parent wants to tough love it, and
you'll get divorced over it. And then one parent loses
all their money to this one kid.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And that's the situation here.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I feel like she has given every penny everything she
had to get him in and out of detox and
rehab and everything.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
And so and it's just all been, I mean, a
waste because he just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
He's not on board. He's not on board. So the
brothers talk to doctor Jeff and Roberts. So Robert says,
you know, I've had a I guess the brothers aren't
with her yet, right.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
No, no, no, they're together, And then sitting there, Yeah,
I think his mom was just really yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
She would.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
She acts like she had never seen a chair before
in her life. I don't know if you noticed it
or not. I'm like, bitch, it's a chair, Sit in it.
Why are you just standing there? Look like it's for you.
She the lady brought it. Right.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
It was like she's just she seen some ship.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's right. And she's probably scared of her kid too.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I bet that's well, and also probably afraid that she's
in prison. Yeah, all men's prison.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
If something breaks out, she's fucked.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
You can't look at that. Doctor Jeff can't offend you.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Well, look what's he gonna do.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
He came with this pretty loafer.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
If anyone can thrive in prison, it is Todd Christly
and doctor Jeff.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay, listen, listen, we're not saying okay.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So they're talking to doctor.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Jeff and Robert says, you know, I had a long
night to think about, you know, my behavior or whatever,
and I'm I'm really angry, but mostly at myself.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And Jeff goes, twelve hours, man, you're out of here.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So as brothers, what was the thing between the two
of you, And Robert says, I don't know. Brandon had
me go to the store or something and I stole
sixty dollars and Brandy goes, it's not even near anywhere.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
What happened? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
He says, I was asleep in my room and I
woke up and had a text message from the bank
saying a couple one hundred dollars had been taken.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And Robert goes, huh. He goes, oh shit, I thought
I just went to the store.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Brandy goes, yeah, Well, later after you came into my
room and saw I was super pissed off at you.
You told me I shouldn't have sept my pen as
my birthday, like it's your fault.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You shouldn't have had your.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Pen your pen set it is your birthday, which you know,
by the way, that is stupid.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
But it is stupid, especially when you know you have
like a crackhead in the house who knows your birthday.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's awful.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And he goes and he goes, that's what you said
to me, And Robert's said hmm, and Robert goes, my bad, he.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Has no recollection.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
He goes, either way, I did that and that was
my bad, and I'm sorry, Like he's like, I don't
remember that.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I thought I went to this store whatever. Yeah, remember.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
So Jeff goes, Okay, so you burn that bridge with
your brother. What has happened with your mom, who is
a shell of a human sitting here, who didn't know
what a chair was, and she's looking at these kids
with this fucked up hair and thinking where did I
go wrong?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So yep, he goes, I've hurt my mom mostly for
being a bad father. That's been the worst for her.
So we don't know if mom had to take this baby.
We don't know if if mom has had a hard
being able to see the kid because maybe the baby
man says no, like, we don't know because they focus
too much of the show on the first part of
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him being in prison, before they need to go right
in and do three days of this. I agree yeah,
and she's he says, you know. The mom says, we
were so close when he was young, but around sixteen
to twenty he got in the system and it just escalated.
In his twenties, he's been on drugs. He knows, he's
put me through hell and back again. I have been
(32:30):
to neighborhoods and places I should have never been. Ooh,
that's theery, And she says, and I had. She's either
had to pick him up or take him.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Five yeah, of course whatever, looking for.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Him, looking for him yeah, And she says, I have
no idea why I've done all these things, but I've
tried to save him. I've tried to pick up the
pieces and he doesn't have a plan. And if he
doesn't have a plan, I have to let him go.
So now he's like, now your own mother is saying.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
To let you go. I'm done.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, So Jeff goes, Okay, So you want to be
a good dad and a good son for your mom,
And he says, more than anything, I want to do
it for my mom.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Now, I want to tell you something right now.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And people that are in addiction in recovery, they will
that's the one thing they'll correct you on every time.
You're not doing it for your mom, your wife, your brother.
You have to do it for yourself. Once you can
get selfish and do it for yourself, then everything else
will work itself out. Yeah, but he's saying I want
to do it for my mom, and doctor Jeff is
not correcting him.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I think that's just just like okay, any glemmer of hope,
if that's what you want to hold on to. But
now I agree, you have to want things for yourself.
It's just like losing weight you have. You don't do
it so you can get a boyfriend. You do it
because you do it for you to be healthier, happier.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
But now I have a note that Kim comes in
here now, so maybe she sorry that one fruit flaw.
I said, I'm the last one standing. I'm going to
avenge my brothers.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I'm doing it for my brothers.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
So now maybe Kim wasn't in there. I don't know,
so maybe what we were listen.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
It was like still figuring out what a chair was.
She was still furi Yeah, she had to google it.
She's like, let me google what is.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
So Robert is hysterically crying when his mom is Yeah,
and she's like, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
But I think they told her don't try to like
sit by him or hug him or like you go
over there, like don't try to coddle him too much. Yeah,
And Jeff says, I really want Jeff says, okay, Robert
really wants to be sober. He wants to do it
for you, and he wants to do for his son,
and he wants to do it for Brandon, but he
(34:45):
doesn't have a plan. And Jeff says, Kim, for years,
you've enabled him, but this is it. This is it now, Kim.
And she says, I now have to worry about my
own health. I can't be doing this. So she either
has a health issue or you know, maybe she has
cancer or something. But she's like I and maybe she's
(35:07):
just so worn down from the years of stress and stress,
and this last arrest was like I can't do it anymore.
I'm gonna I'm gonna die trying to help you exactly,
and she says, if you don't pull it together this time,
I'm gonna have to let you go, like this is it.
And so Di, I mean, in his mind, he's like,
she's not gonna give you any more money, you know.
(35:27):
So Jeff says, let's talk about what we're gonna do.
We're going to love you through it. It's not it's
not what he needs. Robert, Robert says, I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do a program. And
he says, because I'm scared to go home, because you
know what I'm gonna do. You know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So okay, so he's admitting going back to the marketing it.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yes, And Jeff says, you're going to get recommendations of
what to do when you leave.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Will you follow it?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
And Brandon says yeah, yeah, or I'm gonna Brandon says,
you're gonna end up. Brandon says, you're gonna end up
here or six feet under, and I'm gonna walk away.
And so Brandon saying I'm gonna walk away, and Kim says,
and I will also walk away, and Robert says, there
(36:19):
has to be a plan. I have to come up
with a plan. There has to be well, you've had
five months, but okay.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, and people have been telling you this for five
months that you need to get your shit together. Yeah,
he just needed a little doctor Jeff in his life.
I guess I got Jeff.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I got a check.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Doctor Jeff consoles him and says, it's okay, you're gonna
come up with a plan. So he hugs him, and uh,
Brandon leaves.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Day three, the brother's hug say I love you, say goodbye,
and I was like, you're gonna see him tomorrow. Okay, right,
Brandon says he's okay in these walls.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Okay, is he?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
But you know, and I'm trying. I'm trying, I will
be you know, we're okay. But if he's not willing
to do the work and you know, get better, I
can't watch him kill himself.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
So we can't see him in eight years.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
So anyway, I mean, I just keep going back to that.
I'm like, it's not like you good long time.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
So, but I mean earlier Robert said he hadn't seen
him in ten years.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Well that's Robert saying that I got to know with
the counting that Brandon did.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Okay, you're right.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
One day later, Robert is leaving jail. He plans to
go right to and aftercare and get set up with
services in IOP and go to AA and make a
plan and he lost his job. What you're in jail
for five months? Well you were talking months, so yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
He says he's used.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
To doing the same thing over and over and over,
but now he's going to do a total life change.
He knows it's possible. In the end, all you have
his family, and he hopes his brother is waiting when
he walks out, and of course he is, because that's
what we're doing here.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Well, I mean, I hope we get an episode where.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
They tell us about everybody at the end.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Well that they I hope we get an episode where
it is a shaker that the person didn't go pick
them up.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Oh, which would be horrible.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
That would be horrible.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
But maybe the person's horrible when they go in and
they're like, well, fuck it, I'm not gonna teach you.
Maybe these first two episodes are trying to give us
good stories because next week you're gonna hit his.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Hard with the negory. I think so.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So Brandon says, I'm here to take you to the program,
and and he says it's day one. You know, he's
going to build his support system and maybe it'll be
all right, And uh, Robert goes, this is hard man,
but I gotta have tunnel vision.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's a tough road, you know. Everybody hopes he sticks
to it. Okay, three months.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
And see I knew it was bad when they said
three months because remember last episode it.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Was one week, so he's had a lot more time.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Okay, so three months, so I think, Okay, So this
is Brandon talking and he says, I saw him and
it was all positive. But then after a month he
got arrested for stealing, and we forced him into a
rehab facility and we hope that there he can get that.
Let me tell you something that a rehab facility, they're
gonna make you talk about addiction a lot, like all
day all.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
That's their job.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, so he's not. He's not gonna like it there.
They're gonna make him.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Talk too addiction. You better like it. He better like
it and like it quick. So he's gonna be fucking miserable.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
And he says, we forced him into a rehab facility
and we hope he can get the help there that
he needs. I want to be there for him for
good and bad. Well, I mean, you just said you
were gonna cut him off, and then you didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I think it's, you know, easier to say that when
you haven't seen or really talked to them in eight years.
But then film, Yeah you know what I mean, and
it kind of melts your heart a little bit. So, yeah,
he needs the support, Yeah, he needs it. He needs
it because the boy ain't sleeping right at night, that
hadn't slept a full eight hours.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
No, they don't, they have not.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
He says, I want to be there for him, good
and bad, and I know it takes a village. And
then we get the screen that says Kim and Brandon
are continuing to support Robert in his sobriety. Now we
got no information about Dad, we got no information about Nathan,
but those two are going to try to help him.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
If he's in a.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Facility now, a thirty day facility for somebody like this
is not even gonna sat enough scratch the surface.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
The twenty eight day program wouldn't have helped.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Long term, but it would have at least gotten him started,
so when he got out, he was and he'd be
more prepared.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
He would go right into one of these programs.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
And the language is familiar and the type of people
are familiar. And but he just seems sort of above
it all, and you're like, you're not above it all.
You're doing heroin and fentonyls, you know, street drugs. You're
not above it all.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
And that phenyl, I mean, you don't know what that
stuff is cut with, Like you're not getting straight up fenl.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
And that's the scary part. That the phanandyl is bad enough,
but it's just stuff that they cut it up with.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
The Macy bars. I had a friend that odd off
of it two years ago and they I mean it
was sad because they literally found them like outside in.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
A field by a dumpster.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Oh god head. It was just so devastating and it
was just like.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Fuck and you're like, your life is worth more than
being found dead by it you.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Found dead like that that. Yeah, the whole thing was heartbreaking.
But that was just like too much, too too much, and.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I think too after so many years, which it seems
like this guy Robert has been so many years on
these drugs. After so many years on these drugs, you
it takes a long time for your brain to like, yeah,
wire its after being on those drugs for so long.
So it's not even like thirty days will do anything
for you except for maybe encourage you to do the
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next thirty days, or encourage you to do the thirty
days after that, or even like the three hours after that.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
You know, hopefully he gets it together, because you.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Know, again, we say, please, when these ten or however
from the episodes we have are done, please give us
a rolling recap.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Of everybody and so on.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Please get that boy and ambient because he needs a good,
nice sleep, because he.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Just no, then he'll start to storting it. We don't
want to store ambient keisha.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Sorry, right, I'm sorry. That's just the truth.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
People snort the ambient and then they try to stay
awake through it, and then you're supposed to get you know, real,
real crazy.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Well, I don't fall asleep with ambient.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
My mom takes it every so often and says it
just knocks her out, works like a term.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
I wish I was like that.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
No, no, no, no, you got to take take six
tries to put you down.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
I might still wake up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Well I don't. I don't take any tries. I don't
take any tries anymore. Not great.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, one day she told me goes eventually. Our goal
is to get you off with a treas bitch you Lyne.
I'm not a part of that meeting.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Like what.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
James and I had a discussion and we're just letting
you know. No listen.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
If it works for you and you get a good,
solid nights sleep, that's good. I could probably use a
little little tries here and there. It's just like I
have such a hard time falling asleep. That's why the problem.
You know, some people go through menopause and you really
can't sleep, and and you're hot and you're cold.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
And you got a dog laying on you.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
It sounds like I'm just talking about myself, which I am.
No judgments here, No judgment here, double double dog in
the bed, everybody. That's our episode. This is Family lock Up.
It's an A and E on Thursday nights. If you're
not watching it, if you want to see the bad hairdoos,
you're gonna have to go and check it out.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
You owe it to yourself to see these bed haircuts or.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
I don't even know if we should call them haircut.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Well, Robert has an excuse. He's in prison and he
just has somebody chopping that up. With scissors, like he didn't.
You know, that's but but Briandon had no excuse.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
He did that shit on.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Purpose, and he thinks it looks really good. And how
did he keep that going for three days? He just
didn't wash his hair because he couldn't. He could have
brought his gel products into gel it Forward.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
And why did he keep that going? He just did
He just didn't wash his hair. He's like, I ain't
getting in that shower.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
He played ping pong in prison.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
All right, guys, well, here's hoping next week is it's
maybe maybe it's a girl.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Maybe we get a lady.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hopefully we get.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Some bad chop instead of.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Yeah, addiction.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, I agree, because we need to just a break
from the addiction to something else.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
We need a little break, feel better about making fun
of it.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
What's another crime?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Could it just be just a full like car ring,
I just stole them, oh you know. Or it could
be somebody that's just the kingpin of the drug dealers
but never did drugs.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
That'd be good. Yeah, like Montana Mills.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Like Montana Mills did never do the drugs, just was
the drug dealer. Yeah, we would take that over this sadness.
I agree, Yeah yeah, Okay, listen, guys, we're trying to
make it funny.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Everybody followed Keisha.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
She has a podcast, The Liberta with Keisha, and make
sure you're following her on social media as well. Please
make sure you're following me over on the Instagram, the TikTok,
Pink Shade Pod, Pink Shape Podcast. Just there it is,
and we'll be back next Friday for an episode of
Family lock Up. And here's hope where we get a
non sad prisoner.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Okay, you might have throw on your fingers, ye,
Hey, everybody, welcome to Pizzachade. It's many paying here, it's Friday,
and I have got Keisha here because we're going to
talk about family lock up. Almost said the wrong thing,
Kisha almost said love after lock up, but it's family
lock kay.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I know. It's a Friday morning, and you guys, here's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We thought we were gonna get the screeners and we
were gonna have this episode out when you woke up
Friday morning and be in your feed, but they decided
not to go to screeners this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Maybe forever. We're not sure.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'm planning it's gonna be a foreverything too, So I'm
thinking this may be just the norm what we're doing
right now. Because no, that looked good, that looked promising.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It doesn't. We don't.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
We don't prefer to record in the morning, especially Keisha
because she's an hour behind me and neither one of
us are early birds.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So no, we're not.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
No, we're not those that those type of girls at all.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But here we are. We're going to talk about this
show more addiction, more sadness.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
There gotta be some episodes in there that are not addiction,
Like can we have like a shoplifting ring or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Like, yeah, I'd like just some straight up grand theft
auto I'd like I'd like some white collar crime. I'd
like somebody origin checks for no reason. Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It doesn't have to be everybody's on drugs, But unfortunately the.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
World we live in a lot of people are on
drugs and do go to prison because of it.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I guess we'll see. I have hope we're gonna get
some in.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
There that are not little not addiction because this is.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Rough, because addiction is it kind of hard?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Now?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, makes it hard for us. I have to recap it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
But there are lessons to be learned here. So let's
see if we can figure them out. Okay, I immediately
need to help when we go into this, this couple
as we call them, So, Okay, Robert is the prisoner. Okay,
Brandon is the half brother of Robert. Yes, they seem
(02:30):
to have the same dad. Yes, okay, But Robert, the
older brother, grew up wealthy and Brandon, the second brother,
grew up in the hood.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Does that mean I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Think he was I don't think he was wealthy. I
think he was like a suburb kid.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So does that mean Dad was married to Robert's mom,
who we see Dad was married to her. They had
a nice life, everything was fine, and then Dad married
somebody and had Brandon and moved to the hood.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I I personally think that Dad probably didn't marry any
of the women that he has children with because he
was an addict himself.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So I think he was just around slinging dick and
getting bit just pregnant and in.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Oh, you know what, gotta go because he's easier to
find a hood.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
But he would say, he said, when I would go
to my dad's house, so it was the dad's house,
and it maybe Dad was with Brandon's mom at the time,
but maybe not married and maybe just they.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Had a house mama. Yeah kind of situation. Yeah. Dad
doesn't get mentioned a lot other than just that introduction
right there.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, And so I literally my first note is immediately
I need help figure this family out.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, because sorry, there's a weird.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Uh because I remember Brandon actually saying that Robert's mom
would come and pick him up so he could go
over to her house to spend time with Robert.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
So I guess the baby mama's got along quite well.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
So confusing.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Now if we beat Brandon, Okay, he's the half brother
of Robert. Robert is serving five months for a parole violation,
which we immediately know that probably means drugs. He's gonna
be released in four days. Why aren't we doing this
four days before?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I don't know, but I couldnot get past you know,
he was making that taffy and I'm like, why can't
you not trade some of that taffy for our haircut?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Because that hair bothered me the entire episode.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Both hair.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yes, Brandon's hair was so egregious. What was happening? Did
he He's losing his hair and he's brushed it all
forward into a bowl.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
He was giving me eminem Circle circa two thousand and
two or something like that. Maybe he watched the movie
eight Miles Miles, like eight times too many or something.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
It was a lie, it was it was.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
There's a lot of hair, A yeah, because Robert also
had terrible hair. So okay, so they have the same dag.
They're half brothers. Growing up, they didn't hang out too
much because Robert was older, but Robert was fun when
he would come over to Brandon's house to.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Their dad's house.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
They would watch wrestling, and he remembers as a kid
having to visit his brother Robert in juvenile detention, and
that's when he realized like his brother was on the
wrong path, right, And it says Robert grew up in
a very nice neighborhood while he, Brandon grew up in
the hoods surrounded by addiction.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Isin't that funny how it goes? You know what I mean?
You you would think it would be reversed, but not.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Addiction doesn't discriminate, as we know, No, it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And he said, right out of high school, he joined
the army, which made him who he is today. But
Robert has been in and out of jail, battling addiction,
and he's done backstabbing things to the entire family.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
That happens a lot. It's a lot too.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah. So in twenty sixteen, Brandon was living with their
older brother. No he didn't say, he says other brother,
their other brother, Nathan. He had just bought his first
house and Robert moved in with the brothers. And it
was fine until out of nowhere he got back into
his addiction. And he said, and when he's.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Using, he's stealing and he's lying, and he says, after
he stole from me, I cut him off.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's been eight years.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I want to have a relationship with my brother, but
he has to be able to change. So he hasn't
really talked to him in eight years. So I don't
think I'm coming in crazy, coming in.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Four days before. You don't have a relationship with him anymore.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I mean, no, you don't even know this person anymore.
I just the four days before eight years. Yeah, that's
threw me off. Yeah, that that that threw me off
big time.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I wish it would have been were coming in thirty
days before so we can talk to him and then
make him go to this thirty day program. So at
least he's got But I mean a two day head
start is not gonna do it, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, I was. I was shocked when they said that.
I was like, uh okay, So.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Literally the four days, what three of them are spent
with his brother.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yeah, and then he gets out that, Yeah it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Made me listen, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So we see Brandon getting processed blah blah blah, and
he says, you know this seems you know, inhumane. I'm
sacrificing a lot for my brother, and my brother doesn't
have the plan to be on the right track and
get sober.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's it. I'm not gonna have.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
A relationship with him.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Were already a relationship, right.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So we meet Robert Gatz. He's thirty eight. He's the
brother of Brandon. He's in there for shoplifting and approbation violations,
assault and battery, stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
It's no big deal.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So we've seen worse, no big time.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
He explains he was in and out of a jubie
from fourteen to eighteen with various charges. That was a
really hard time for him when he was in juby
and at the time he was really just no biggie.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
He was doing ex coke and.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Then hard drugs came at twenty eight, So ten years
ago he was a stay at home dad.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
That poor baby was given two bottles on east side
of his bouncy seat and put in front of the
TV to watch Dora the Explorer and take care of
itself the whole entire day.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Terrible, terrible.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
What kind a mother would leave her a baby with Robert.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, she's like, listen, he shouldn't have a choice.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
He's just doing a little ex little coke, a little pot,
it'll be it'll be.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Fine to get into fitting all and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And then baby babe, I should ask a little sen
year old girl next door if she could baby sit instead.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So he says, his buddy came over, who was Okay.
I had to read this a couple of times because
first I thought he said he got percoset. Then I
was like, oh, well, let's explain what the injury was.
But no, his buddy came over who had a prescription
for percocet, and he took it. But then he says,
he really didn't know it, but when you first sniffed it,
it was everything. He So he snorted up the percocet
(09:18):
and he said it was everything he wanted to feel.
But eventually it got too expensive, so he found heroin.
As it goes, so he said, he says, I have
a beautiful son. He had a seizure at age five,
and after that, you know, we didn't know what was
going on with him, and I tried to numb himself.
(09:38):
So the boy maybe has epilepsy. I don't that's not
ever totally.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
He didn't get into his dad's stashed or anything like
that that would have been fucking horrible.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But okaysha, I didn't it.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Could have happened, especially with Robert being the babysitter, I mean,
leaving his shit out and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I didn't even think of that would be awful. I
hate when they don't explain stuff. I'm like, no, it's
all had a seizure.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
We need to know exactly the diagnosis, Like why did
you chow have a seizure?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Where is this child? Is a child? Okay?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Now, like because they mentioned they mentioned the kid, so
the kid's around, but we just don't know, right is
the mother?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So he says after that, you know, it was so
upsetting to him that he just tried to numb himself
and he lost everyone to his addiction. He lost his
child's mother, he lost his kid, his family, you know,
he lost everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And look, can I just say that this dude looks
like he has not had a good night's sleep in
like thirteen years.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
He's got the horrible BedHead, he's got the red eyes.
He just looks like he hasn't slept well.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
He yeah, ah, that's true. He does look like complete shit.
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Speaker 2 (12:16):
You're on tropic time now.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I really thought that they were going to say that
he was using while he was in prison because he.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Looks like it he does, or he's just had such
bad withdrawals that this is the you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And he says, I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Advising, advising before we start filming, please.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Like damn, did somebody give me a brush for this hair?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just I don't think a brush should do anything because
it's like growing out.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I think it's like he needs a squirt bottle so
he can it was rush.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It down, channeling will from life after luck up a little.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Bit with the sticking up here and there. Just never know,
just yeah, espially want to lick your head and go
I might help you out.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
My son has a one of his best friends.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
His hair looks like that, and it is wild because
that I think it's on purpose.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
And you're all like, oh, I was like, his hair is.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Insane, and my son's like, I don't know, he likes
it like that, but it looks just like it looks
exactly like that.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
It's just pieces all over the place because it's so.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Straight that he can't do it. It's yeah, oh boy,
it's like straight and thick, so it just sticks straight up.
He says, his mother, you know, had to take him
in and out of detoxes many many times. And he
talks about, you know, his brother being there, and he says,
you know, a brother's love is really strong and I
can remember him and I hope we can rebuild.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So it's strong unless you're stilling from him, right.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Sounds like a lot less strong lock ever, both his brothers.
It sounds like, yeah, we don't see Nathan in there.
So I got a little fruit fly kesha want to say.
One said, you know what, you got all my friends,
but you're not getting me, motherfucker.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Haha.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So you know I noticed that whenever you know they
were bringing Brandon in, did you notice what they did
that they didn't do last time.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
What they made him do, the bendover cough.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I heard him say, hey, we have to do this,
you know, but you're gonna have to bend over, you
have to spread them.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
But then you heard him go, you heard him cough.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I would have been like, where the contract exactly?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Didn't say this ship was okay and necessary because I'm
gonna need you guys to give me a.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Fucking extra thousand dollars. Show him a butthold this is
time necessary. I would I'm like, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Think about the button they have to see ew and
what if something comes out?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
What if she cough and something pops out?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I would fall out on that fucking floor.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
You'd be like, it is not worth it. Whenever the
state came he for this job, or.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
It's not worth it.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
This has fucked me up for a lifetime right now,
Like that would be just the smell.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Ooh eoh, why did you go there? Stop on trying
to enjoy my coffee.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, So here's where I said, are we going to
discuss Brandon's hairstyle, knowing we would have already discussed it. Okay,
so Brandon will be by himself. He'll be away from
his brother for twenty four hours, which we still think
is stupid to experience prison and the talk ahead Brandon
is like, I don't give a shit about this. I
(15:37):
grew up, you know, I was in the military. I
grew up in the hood. My dad was in and
out of jail for addiction. I've been around a lot
of bad people, so I do have to watch my back,
but I'm not. He's like, I'm not worried about this.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, he was pretty smart about it, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, even though you know he Chucky came up to
him trying to be nice. I have never met a
Chucky that wasn't bad. From the dog to my cousin,
every Chucky I've ever met has just been bad. Like,
think about it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I've never known anybody named Chucky.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But there was a player and all this that got
hit and paralyzed and his name was Chucky Mullins and
they have like a statue to him on campus. Everything
he did eventually die. But geez, so he was a
good guy. But I that's the only cho I didn't
know him. I just know of him. I've never met
anybody named Chucky in my life. All we know Chuck
(16:31):
from ninety Day Fiance Libby's dad, Chuck.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I know a Chuck, but I know some Chucky's And
I'm just telling you it's something about when they act
that I e. That just just fucks it all up,
like they're just bad or that why, yeah, just bad.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well, the people are trying to talk to him, and
he's like, m like, you want to play ping pong?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
You want to do this?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
He's like, narp I got twenty four hours to ignore
all you motherfuckers.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
So look ping pong in the regular world. So like
a good time.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Ping pong in prisons sounds like, buttholes may be included,
like involved in it, Like there's.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
No, no, no, no, we're not doing that. Sounds a
little bit sexual to me.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It sounds to me like once you lose at ping pong,
now you owe me all your sheets and bedding and
that's how that's the rules. You didn't know they go
and just take all your shit. Yeah, No, he did
get he was smart, he didn't get involved. So oh lord,
here comes doctor Jeff. He swaggers in, He's got a swagger,
he swaggers in.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
He is ready, he is ready for the lights, camera
action always Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So he comes, he comes in, He arrives to see Robert.
So Robert is trying to talk to doctor Jeff, but
he doesn't even make eye contact him. He's he won't
look at him. Yeah, And he tells him he was
addicted to opiates. It was heroin, and he's and he
also says he used to sell drugs, so that's new information.
He said, my mother was great, but I just went
(17:58):
to the streets, had nothing to do with her. And
he says, you know, my mom to me really was
like an ATM. He said, I put so much on her.
I would give her such a hard time. It has
been so bad for her. So Jeff says, what about
your brother Brandon. He says, well, Brandon went off to
the army after high school and I haven't seen him
in ten years. You know, I stole money from him.
(18:20):
I felt awful because I'm the oldest. And to be honest,
he'd love for Brandon just to give him a chance.
And Jeff goes, Okay, what's your plan for saying sober?
You know most people go from here to a sober
house and he goes.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Nah, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I don't want to hear people talking about addiction and
drugs every day. I just want to be normal and
just leave it in the past. That's just well, my
way is to not deal with it.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
That's not a good idea.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And you you don't understand addiction the way that you
think you do.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
You just know how to be an addict. You don't
know how to overcome addiction.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And he says, my way just is not to deal
with it, and Jeff goes, uh, huh, So, how long
have you been sober this time?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And he says, right now, five months. We're not sure
we believe that.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I didn't believe that. I was actually quite surprised when
he said.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
That he's been so good it god.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
So in the talking head, doctor Jeff is like, I'm
very concerned going into a sober house is the right
way to stay sober. His way is not the way.
Just like forget it and go back to regular life.
So he just said he was a drug dealer. So
day one, he's meeting with his uh, Brandon is meeting
with Robert's counselor to review what's happened since he's been
(19:37):
in there, and Brandon is saying, you know, oh, you know,
I'm hoping my brother's okay, we can rekindle the relationship.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
She goes, okay, well, i'll tell you this.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Robert was in a twenty eight day program and he
had six absences and you're only allowed to have one.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So he was terminated from the program.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And Brandon goes, damn, he's in jail with nothing else
to do, and he can't give me to this group.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I agree, I like it.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Whenever a person is in prison, they come out like
ripped up, because like, what the fuck else are you doing?
Like you might as well work out, I don't know,
go to the drug program.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
That means he went one day and then probably skip
the next.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Six days and they're like, we're done with you and
you can't come back. Yeah, you can't come back.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Stupid.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
He goes, well, it seems like if he won't do that,
he's not taking it seriously. And she goes and it
sounds like his home plan is to go back to
his apartment where he was before, and.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
He was like wow.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
And she goes, and you know, his drug of choice
and he's a heroine. She goes and fentanyl. Oh, it's
like so dangerous and he's like what, Yeah, he said, No,
I didn't I didn't know. Well, I mean, how would
he know. He hasn't talked to many Yeah, yeah, she says,
you know, there are things we can do to help him.
There's AISS all Inclusive Health Services to help him on
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the day of his release. There's meetings he can go
to immediately. There's things we can't do. If you go
to the AISS, that will help him, right, and Brandon goes.
But if he doesn't want it, I can't help him.
I'm here to help him as much as I can
and explain that he's going to lose me.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
As a brother.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I got two days to encourage him to get a
plan going or it sounds like a death sentence.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, it is, fucking Are I with fitting all?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Okay, So Robert and Brandon are going to meet with
doctor Jeff and the talking head. Robert says, the relationship
with my brother is the most important thing to be
But I've done some terrible things and I would understand
if my brother wants to let go of the relationship,
and I would never fault him for that. You haven't
talked to him in eight years, he's already help each other.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yeah, y'all don't know each other at all.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Neither one of you knows how the other's hair is
gonna look.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
It's gonna be a fart for both of you. Filthy hair.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And I tell you what, I was waiting for doctor
Jeff to be like, Okay, guys like Brandon didn't say
anything about my jacket put and we all pick a
moment from my jacket, Please a moment for this jacket.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I did.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Chick me up.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
He cracks me up. He did have like a nice
little like sweater under his jacket. He looks great, he
always does.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
He could dress. Yeah, he dressed as well.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
So they see each other and they hug, and nobody
says anything about the other one's hair, which was surprising.
The one was like, God, your hair is fucked up.
The other one's like, yeah, cool, look at yours. So
Brandon says to Robert, He's like, man, I've been in
here like one day.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Man, this place, this place, ain't it? Man? This place
in it?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And doctor Jeff comes in and Robert gets really teary
and he says life is going by him, and he
says the drugs have put me in a standstill, and
Jeff goes, you're.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Out of here in two days, and he got.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
No plan, and he goes, well, I'm just gonna go
get a job and fill my time because in the
past I would just sell drugs to fill my time.
So I'm just gonna have to change everything, like my
whole Outlook, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Just and that's the whole plan right there, to get out.
I'm going to get a job. On the first day,
I'm going to move back into my apartment. What about
like and by the way, I'm I'm sure the apartment.
I'm sure the apartment is gone. By the way, I'm
sure gone. It's probably gone. But also, can you imagine
what it looks like? No, his hair, that's.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
A good one. Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
So Jeff says, so what are you doing to do that? Like,
what have you done? And he goes, well, I've done
a group and Jeff goes one group. He goes, yeah,
I did a group, and Jeff go Jeff goes the
twenty eight day program.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
You didn't complete it. You're just ready to go and
get out of here. And you didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
You didn't do the program. And he goes when you
guys are just in. You're like throwing shots at me.
And Jeff goes, oh, so you think we're picking on you,
and he goes, no, I.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Don't think you're picking you. Just it was shot to
be Okay, I missed a couple of groups, but it
wasn't helping me at all.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Well he only went to one.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It wasn't helping me, man, And Brandon goes, okay, so
just speak up about that. Let me know.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Why why do you keep coming back here, like to prison?
And Robert goes, I'm not coming back here, Brandon. I've
been here one time since two thousand and six. And
Brandon goes, okay, bro, I visited you in juvie. It's
been the same thing since that. Man, it's over and over.
You're my brother, and I love you, man, and you're
my older brother. And this is why I'm here. So
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Robert gets up and tries to leave, like he's crying.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
He like he can't take anything, Like he could hardly
just sit down in a chair. Yeah, Like I feel
like there's something else going on with him that we
just don't know about.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, Like he was too worked, he was too amped
up for me.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
He can't take this confrontation.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
He doesn't want to hear about what he's done and
making them ns for it or anything like that. So
Jeff says, you know, Robert, we need for you to
be clean and sober. That's what we need for you.
So he gets up, he walks out. He's like, take
off my mike, take off my mic and he said.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
This sucks. Fuck on you guys, you know, so the
talking head Brandon goes.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Robert just plays the victim like I'm here to help him,
and he says, I'm throwing shots, like you know, he's
out of his comfort zone in this place and I'm
here for him.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So now they're going to be housed together to continue
to confront issues in the relationship. I was like, oh man,
I thought that was the end of Robert. I thought
we weren't go to see him again, but I guess
we are.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I mean, I don't know if I would have wanted
to go wanted to go back with Robert, Like is
he gonna abandon me? He's gonna tell these people to
beat me up, He's gonna give him some taffy.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
To fucking give me a shiner, Like nervous.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I'd be nervous too.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So they go back to go to the unit and
the producer is asking Robert, Okay, you're gonna need to
put your mic on everything. He goes, no, I don't
see the point of this. I don't I don't see
the point of this. And the producer says, your your
brother is here in jail to have conversations with you,
so I'm talking head. Robert goes, I feel, Brad, my
brother's had time out of his life to do this
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and help me and step into my life.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I mean it means a lot, but I mean.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
He don't care.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So Robert says, come eat with me. So he and
Brandon take their little trays and sit at the chest
table or whatever, and they eat and they talk about
how bad the food is, and Robert's like, I mean,
this is bad, but it's definitely been worse. And Robert says, look,
I'm glad you're here and bran and Brandon says, I
just want you to have a game plan with an
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action plan and doing what you're doing just lead you
back here or into the grave.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
It's one of the two.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
And he says, and maybe I haven't seen you in years,
but I wanted to physically present myself to you to
show you that I still love you and that I
have hope for you. Yeah, and Robert says, well, I'll
be out in two days, and so hopefully we can
keep in touch because I need positive people in my life,
and he goes, you.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Got to be that.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Those a not the people at the rehab like they're
not positive enough.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Like, no, they're too much. They're talking about addiction he
don't want to talk about.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
They're just a bunch of Debbie downers in there. So yeah,
I doesn't want my brother.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
No, no, no, just need positivity.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
It brings them down, and it brings them down.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Those people are annoying.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, and Brandy goes, you gotta fall through, man, you
gotta be consistent, you gotta be sober.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I love you, man, They hug whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Day three, you want to talk about somebody who looks
like that hadn't slept in thirty years. Here comes Robert's mom.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
This thing has been She looked like she saw demons
in her sleep last night, Like she just looked worn out.
And I'm sure she's probably worn out from him worrying
about him.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
And maybe she's drink too much the night before.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
I don't know, but she she did not come in
camera ready.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But we also don't know if Robert's her only child,
and then Brandon and Nature our only child.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
I assumed.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, And then the other two brothers are with other mother,
So she sits with him.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You know, they hug and it's very sad.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, And she says, your Robert, if you don't make
these changes to get sober, I can't I can't be
there for you anymore.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You can imagine. And I had a cousin in my
life who just drains the life out of you. And
I mean he my cousin eventually died, and you the
drain everything from the parent.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
The parents get divorced over it because.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
One parent wants to wants to give all the money
and the other parent wants to tough love it, and
you'll get divorced over it. And then one parent loses
all their money to this one kid.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And that's the situation here.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I feel like she has given every penny everything she
had to get him in and out of detox and
rehab and everything.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
And so and it's just all been, I mean, a
waste because he just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
He's not on board. He's not on board. So the
brothers talk to doctor Jeff and Roberts. So Robert says,
you know, I've had a I guess the brothers aren't
with her yet, right.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
No, no, no, they're together, And then sitting there, Yeah,
I think his mom was just really yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
She would.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
She acts like she had never seen a chair before
in her life. I don't know if you noticed it
or not. I'm like, bitch, it's a chair, Sit in it.
Why are you just standing there? Look like it's for you.
She the lady brought it. Right.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
It was like she's just she seen some ship.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That's right. And she's probably scared of her kid too.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
I bet that's well, and also probably afraid that she's
in prison. Yeah, all men's prison.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
If something breaks out, she's fucked.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
You can't look at that. Doctor Jeff can't offend you.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Well, look what's he gonna do.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
He came with this pretty loafer.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
If anyone can thrive in prison, it is Todd Christly
and doctor Jeff.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Okay, listen, listen, we're not saying okay.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
So they're talking to doctor.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Jeff and Robert says, you know, I had a long
night to think about, you know, my behavior or whatever,
and I'm I'm really angry, but mostly at myself.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And Jeff goes, twelve hours, man, you're out of here.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
So as brothers, what was the thing between the two
of you, And Robert says, I don't know. Brandon had
me go to the store or something and I stole
sixty dollars and Brandy goes, it's not even near anywhere.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
What happened? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
He says, I was asleep in my room and I
woke up and had a text message from the bank
saying a couple one hundred dollars had been taken.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
And Robert goes, huh. He goes, oh shit, I thought
I just went to the store.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Brandy goes, yeah, Well, later after you came into my
room and saw I was super pissed off at you.
You told me I shouldn't have sept my pen as
my birthday, like it's your fault.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You shouldn't have had your.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Pen your pen set it is your birthday, which you know,
by the way, that is stupid.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
But it is stupid, especially when you know you have
like a crackhead in the house who knows your birthday.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's awful.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And he goes and he goes, that's what you said
to me, And Robert's said hmm, and Robert goes, my bad, he.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Has no recollection.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
He goes, either way, I did that and that was
my bad, and I'm sorry, Like he's like, I don't
remember that.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I thought I went to this store whatever. Yeah, remember.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
So Jeff goes, Okay, so you burn that bridge with
your brother. What has happened with your mom, who is
a shell of a human sitting here, who didn't know
what a chair was, and she's looking at these kids
with this fucked up hair and thinking where did I
go wrong?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So yep, he goes, I've hurt my mom mostly for
being a bad father. That's been the worst for her.
So we don't know if mom had to take this baby.
We don't know if if mom has had a hard
being able to see the kid because maybe the baby
man says no, like, we don't know because they focus
too much of the show on the first part of
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him being in prison, before they need to go right
in and do three days of this. I agree yeah,
and she's he says, you know. The mom says, we
were so close when he was young, but around sixteen
to twenty he got in the system and it just escalated.
In his twenties, he's been on drugs. He knows, he's
put me through hell and back again. I have been
(32:30):
to neighborhoods and places I should have never been. Ooh,
that's theery, And she says, and I had. She's either
had to pick him up or take him.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Five yeah, of course whatever, looking for.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Him, looking for him yeah, And she says, I have
no idea why I've done all these things, but I've
tried to save him. I've tried to pick up the
pieces and he doesn't have a plan. And if he
doesn't have a plan, I have to let him go.
So now he's like, now your own mother is saying.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
To let you go. I'm done.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, So Jeff goes, Okay, So you want to be
a good dad and a good son for your mom,
And he says, more than anything, I want to do
it for my mom.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Now, I want to tell you something right now.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And people that are in addiction in recovery, they will
that's the one thing they'll correct you on every time.
You're not doing it for your mom, your wife, your brother.
You have to do it for yourself. Once you can
get selfish and do it for yourself, then everything else
will work itself out. Yeah, but he's saying I want
to do it for my mom, and doctor Jeff is
not correcting him.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I think that's just just like okay, any glemmer of hope,
if that's what you want to hold on to. But
now I agree, you have to want things for yourself.
It's just like losing weight you have. You don't do
it so you can get a boyfriend. You do it
because you do it for you to be healthier, happier.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
But now I have a note that Kim comes in
here now, so maybe she sorry that one fruit flaw.
I said, I'm the last one standing. I'm going to
avenge my brothers.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I'm doing it for my brothers.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
So now maybe Kim wasn't in there. I don't know,
so maybe what we were listen.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
It was like still figuring out what a chair was.
She was still furi Yeah, she had to google it.
She's like, let me google what is.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
So Robert is hysterically crying when his mom is Yeah,
and she's like, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
But I think they told her don't try to like
sit by him or hug him or like you go
over there, like don't try to coddle him too much. Yeah,
And Jeff says, I really want Jeff says, okay, Robert
really wants to be sober. He wants to do it
for you, and he wants to do for his son,
and he wants to do it for Brandon, but he
(34:45):
doesn't have a plan. And Jeff says, Kim, for years,
you've enabled him, but this is it. This is it now, Kim.
And she says, I now have to worry about my
own health. I can't be doing this. So she either
has a health issue or you know, maybe she has
cancer or something. But she's like I and maybe she's
(35:07):
just so worn down from the years of stress and stress,
and this last arrest was like I can't do it anymore.
I'm gonna I'm gonna die trying to help you exactly,
and she says, if you don't pull it together this time,
I'm gonna have to let you go, like this is it.
And so Di, I mean, in his mind, he's like,
she's not gonna give you any more money, you know.
(35:27):
So Jeff says, let's talk about what we're gonna do.
We're going to love you through it. It's not it's
not what he needs. Robert, Robert says, I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do a program. And
he says, because I'm scared to go home, because you
know what I'm gonna do. You know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So okay, so he's admitting going back to the marketing it.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yes, And Jeff says, you're going to get recommendations of
what to do when you leave.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Will you follow it?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
And Brandon says yeah, yeah, or I'm gonna Brandon says,
you're gonna end up. Brandon says, you're gonna end up
here or six feet under, and I'm gonna walk away.
And so Brandon saying I'm gonna walk away, and Kim says,
and I will also walk away, and Robert says, there
(36:19):
has to be a plan. I have to come up
with a plan. There has to be well, you've had
five months, but okay.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, and people have been telling you this for five
months that you need to get your shit together. Yeah,
he just needed a little doctor Jeff in his life.
I guess I got Jeff.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I got a check.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Doctor Jeff consoles him and says, it's okay, you're gonna
come up with a plan. So he hugs him, and uh,
Brandon leaves.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Day three, the brother's hug say I love you, say goodbye,
and I was like, you're gonna see him tomorrow. Okay, right,
Brandon says he's okay in these walls.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Okay, is he?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
But you know, and I'm trying. I'm trying, I will
be you know, we're okay. But if he's not willing
to do the work and you know, get better, I
can't watch him kill himself.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
So we can't see him in eight years.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
So anyway, I mean, I just keep going back to that.
I'm like, it's not like you good long time.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
So, but I mean earlier Robert said he hadn't seen
him in ten years.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Well that's Robert saying that I got to know with
the counting that Brandon did.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Okay, you're right.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
One day later, Robert is leaving jail. He plans to
go right to and aftercare and get set up with
services in IOP and go to AA and make a
plan and he lost his job. What you're in jail
for five months? Well you were talking months, so yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
He says he's used.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
To doing the same thing over and over and over,
but now he's going to do a total life change.
He knows it's possible. In the end, all you have
his family, and he hopes his brother is waiting when
he walks out, and of course he is, because that's
what we're doing here.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Well, I mean, I hope we get an episode where.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
They tell us about everybody at the end.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Well that they I hope we get an episode where
it is a shaker that the person didn't go pick
them up.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Oh, which would be horrible.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
That would be horrible.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
But maybe the person's horrible when they go in and
they're like, well, fuck it, I'm not gonna teach you.
Maybe these first two episodes are trying to give us
good stories because next week you're gonna hit his.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Hard with the negory. I think so.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So Brandon says, I'm here to take you to the program,
and and he says it's day one. You know, he's
going to build his support system and maybe it'll be
all right, And uh, Robert goes, this is hard man,
but I gotta have tunnel vision.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's a tough road, you know. Everybody hopes he sticks
to it. Okay, three months.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
And see I knew it was bad when they said
three months because remember last episode it.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Was one week, so he's had a lot more time.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Okay, so three months, so I think, Okay, So this
is Brandon talking and he says, I saw him and
it was all positive. But then after a month he
got arrested for stealing, and we forced him into a
rehab facility and we hope that there he can get that.
Let me tell you something that a rehab facility, they're
gonna make you talk about addiction a lot, like all
day all.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
That's their job.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, so he's not. He's not gonna like it there.
They're gonna make him.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Talk too addiction. You better like it. He better like
it and like it quick. So he's gonna be fucking miserable.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
And he says, we forced him into a rehab facility
and we hope he can get the help there that
he needs. I want to be there for him for
good and bad. Well, I mean, you just said you
were gonna cut him off, and then you didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I think it's, you know, easier to say that when
you haven't seen or really talked to them in eight years.
But then film, Yeah you know what I mean, and
it kind of melts your heart a little bit. So, yeah,
he needs the support, Yeah, he needs it. He needs
it because the boy ain't sleeping right at night, that
hadn't slept a full eight hours.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
No, they don't, they have not.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
He says, I want to be there for him, good
and bad, and I know it takes a village. And
then we get the screen that says Kim and Brandon
are continuing to support Robert in his sobriety. Now we
got no information about Dad, we got no information about Nathan,
but those two are going to try to help him.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
If he's in a.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Facility now, a thirty day facility for somebody like this
is not even gonna sat enough scratch the surface.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
The twenty eight day program wouldn't have helped.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Long term, but it would have at least gotten him started,
so when he got out, he was and he'd be
more prepared.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
He would go right into one of these programs.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
And the language is familiar and the type of people
are familiar. And but he just seems sort of above
it all, and you're like, you're not above it all.
You're doing heroin and fentonyls, you know, street drugs. You're
not above it all.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
And that phenyl, I mean, you don't know what that
stuff is cut with, Like you're not getting straight up fenl.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
And that's the scary part. That the phanandyl is bad enough,
but it's just stuff that they cut it up with.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
The Macy bars. I had a friend that odd off
of it two years ago and they I mean it
was sad because they literally found them like outside in.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
A field by a dumpster.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Oh god head. It was just so devastating and it
was just like.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Fuck and you're like, your life is worth more than
being found dead by it you.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Found dead like that that. Yeah, the whole thing was heartbreaking.
But that was just like too much, too too much, and.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I think too after so many years, which it seems
like this guy Robert has been so many years on
these drugs. After so many years on these drugs, you
it takes a long time for your brain to like, yeah,
wire its after being on those drugs for so long.
So it's not even like thirty days will do anything
for you except for maybe encourage you to do the
(42:09):
next thirty days, or encourage you to do the thirty
days after that, or even like the three hours after that.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
You know, hopefully he gets it together, because you.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Know, again, we say, please, when these ten or however
from the episodes we have are done, please give us
a rolling recap.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Of everybody and so on.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Please get that boy and ambient because he needs a good,
nice sleep, because he.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Just no, then he'll start to storting it. We don't
want to store ambient keisha.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Sorry, right, I'm sorry. That's just the truth.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
People snort the ambient and then they try to stay
awake through it, and then you're supposed to get you know, real,
real crazy.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Well, I don't fall asleep with ambient.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
My mom takes it every so often and says it
just knocks her out, works like a term.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
I wish I was like that.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
No, no, no, no, you got to take take six
tries to put you down.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
I might still wake up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Well I don't. I don't take any tries. I don't
take any tries anymore. Not great.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, one day she told me goes eventually. Our goal
is to get you off with a treas bitch you Lyne.
I'm not a part of that meeting.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Like what.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
James and I had a discussion and we're just letting
you know. No listen.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
If it works for you and you get a good,
solid nights sleep, that's good. I could probably use a
little little tries here and there. It's just like I
have such a hard time falling asleep. That's why the problem.
You know, some people go through menopause and you really
can't sleep, and and you're hot and you're cold.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
And you got a dog laying on you.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
It sounds like I'm just talking about myself, which I am.
No judgments here, No judgment here, double double dog in
the bed, everybody. That's our episode. This is Family lock Up.
It's an A and E on Thursday nights. If you're
not watching it, if you want to see the bad hairdoos,
you're gonna have to go and check it out.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
You owe it to yourself to see these bed haircuts or.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
I don't even know if we should call them haircut.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Well, Robert has an excuse. He's in prison and he
just has somebody chopping that up. With scissors, like he didn't.
You know, that's but but Briandon had no excuse.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
He did that shit on.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Purpose, and he thinks it looks really good. And how
did he keep that going for three days? He just
didn't wash his hair because he couldn't. He could have
brought his gel products into gel it Forward.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
And why did he keep that going? He just did
He just didn't wash his hair. He's like, I ain't
getting in that shower.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
He played ping pong in prison.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
All right, guys, well, here's hoping next week is it's
maybe maybe it's a girl.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Maybe we get a lady.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hopefully we get.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Some bad chop instead of.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Yeah, addiction.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, I agree, because we need to just a break
from the addiction to something else.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
We need a little break, feel better about making fun
of it.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
What's another crime?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Could it just be just a full like car ring,
I just stole them, oh you know. Or it could
be somebody that's just the kingpin of the drug dealers
but never did drugs.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
That'd be good. Yeah, like Montana Mills.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Like Montana Mills did never do the drugs, just was
the drug dealer. Yeah, we would take that over this sadness.
I agree, Yeah yeah, Okay, listen, guys, we're trying to
make it funny.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Everybody followed Keisha.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
She has a podcast, The Liberta with Keisha, and make
sure you're following her on social media as well. Please
make sure you're following me over on the Instagram, the TikTok,
Pink Shade Pod, Pink Shape Podcast. Just there it is,
and we'll be back next Friday for an episode of
Family lock Up. And here's hope where we get a
non sad prisoner.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Okay, you might have throw on your fingers, ye,
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