1053 - Pop and Bravo with Christine Lakin and Stacy Keanan - Pink Shade

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday. That means
we're going to talk about pop and Bravo. And I've
got my two new friends here. It's Christine and Stacy
from the podcast Keenan and Lacan give you dejabout where
they discuss the show step by step.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
You guys, they're not just fans. They were on the show.
They're the stars the show. That's right, we were, we
were then.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Mary Payne, thank you so much for having us. I
am an old school bunkie. I like to think pretty
much from day one. Yeah, so it is just it
is beyond a thrill, beyond an honor, to beyond. I
just I can't. I'll never really get over it.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
You're so funny and that's just like the craziest thing ever.
And you know, Keisha is a huge fan and she's
had you guys on her show.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Oh yes, Stacy's done. Stacy has done her show too,
Libra Lounge.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yes, yes, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I love Keisha, I love Kimberly and Katie. But I
can't help but I'm just always a little jealous Mary Payne,
that you're like friends, better friends with them than with me,
and with us, so I listen. I'm a member of
the patroon. Of course, you know all of the friends.
I'm a little jealous, so every time we get to
come on, I'm like, well, maybe maybe we'll be better

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friends after listen.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
If you give me your number, I'll just start texting
you random stuff. And that's how we've become friends.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Can we do that? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I would, Yes, Yes, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Going to Bravo Con and I'm going to be giving
all my Bravo hot takes. We're going to try to
do one every day. Last time we were just doing
like man on the Street. We just have our phone, like, okay,
here's what happened, and then I would talk and give
the phone to Ingrid and then at the end of
the day I would send her the audio clips that
we just did on the phone and she would make
it into like a daily show.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
We had so much fun doing that.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Who did you Who were you most excited about seeing
it Bravo Con?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
You mean last time or this coming time.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
This coming time?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
This coming time?

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I think I'm very excited and hopeful to meet marysol
from Miami, marysl Patten. So I've become friendly with Miguel Luciano,
who was on a few weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
So he has that.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Great Instagram account where he imitates all the housewives and
he's just like a dude with a beard, and for
some reason it works. He's an acting coach, so you know,
he's he's one of your ILK actors and he's so funny.
But he has become very close with Marysaol and I'm like,
can we make it happy? Can you help me meet her?
He promises he will, so seeing bingerscrossed, I love her.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
She's my jam.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Oh my god. Well what are you? What are you wearing?
What do you wear for an event like this?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well? I think because so this is my third one.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
The one in New York was different because it was
in New York, so you is very imitch like jeans
and you had to have like a light jacket.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know, it's a different vibe.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
The Vegas is freaking hot and you gotta So I'm
gonna wear all three days to Bravocon itself. I'm wearing
just like a short black dress and have a hot
pink little cross body bag.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
And that's it because you got to you gotta travel light.
You gotta have your tennis shoes. It's a lot of walking.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Oh yeah, smart little capsule wardrobe. And what I think
is always so hard about Vegas is that it is
one hundred and fifteen outside and then they have it
air conditioned to fifty five inside, so you need you
need a parka when you go in and you go
out and you just melt. It's very, very challenging. And
then the walking, you know, everything is huge, everything.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Is really far.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
So if you want to wear cute shoes, forget about that.
I just know Vegas is a real challenge.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Look wise, how do you guys feel about Vegas in general?

Speaker 4 (03:57):
I kind of have a love hate with Vegas. I
there's times I've gone I'm just been like, oh, this
place is the worst. And then there's other times I've
gone like I went in the spring and went to
the Sphere and never left the Venetian, the cold, amazing
air conditioned, lovely sweet of the Venetian and had this

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dinner and walked to the Sphere and walked back and
it was amazing, it was so easy. That's kind of
the Vegas I like, well, the last.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Time we went to the Sphere, we've been twice now
for dead shows. And my husband's like, and we're walking
back to the hotel.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I'm like, I just want to die. I'm just like,
my back hurts, my legs hurt, I'm sweating from every
section of my body. And he's like, this way we're walking.
If you can see this so AND's up, you can
see the Eiffel Tower. We're almost there.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm like, I just really really hate Vegas and I
shouldn't and I shouldn't hate it as much as I do.
I know people live there, but nobody lives like in
the Vegas that you go to when you go, do you
mean nobody lives there?

Speaker 4 (05:03):
No one's living. Like with the yard Stick of Beers, let's.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Hope no, and the girls handed out pictures of themselves
and you're like, no, thank you.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, I used to hate it. I used
to hate it. I thought it was depressing. Yes, I
just hated the whole concept. And then I had a
friend who just said, you know, you just have to
appreciate it for exactly what it is it's and just
embrace what it is and don't desire for it to
be anything other than what it is.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Go for a short time.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
And just and ever since then, I have adopted that
and I freaking love it. I wat it now and
you know, I think if you focus, I mean, you
have Bravo com which is going to be so fun.
But then all the food. There's so much good food now.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
The food is amazing. The restaurants are so good.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
We have gone to that Martha Stewart restaurant twice and
I will say both times one of the best mails
I've ever had, and also so expensed of, and also
the best white cosmo in the world.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
So Martha Stewart like a white cranberry.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's a white cranberry.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
And the guy last time gave me the recipe and
I tried to make it for my friends. I had
my friends over and I go, you guys, I'm going
to make you guys the best drink.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Ever blah blah blah. And only one of them liked it,
and I was like, oh more for me. Yeah, sounds delicious,
so good, just ice cold.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
They bring out this bread basket that you just wouldn't
even I'll send you a picture once we've become texting friends,
I'll send you a picture. And we had steak and
it's just the experience of it because it's the exact furniture,
that exact replica of Martha's home at Bedford, New York.
And it's all muted tones and it's exactly like what

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she cooks with in her kitchen and then the certain flowers.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's just all very you know, ain't or retentive type A.
And I can handle it for a meal. Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
See that's Vegas. It's the theater of it.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Where are you going.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
To get something like that? It's so ridiculous, it's so
over the top. It's so perfect.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
You know, it's her only restaurant she has in the
world is there, and it's tiny. It's probably as big
as the top floor of my house. It's a tiny restaurant.
And so I love that. So yeah, we're going to
see watch what Happens a Love one or two nights unclear.
I got to look at the schedule, and we're going
to two of those Bravo paloozas where you go into
the small rooms and you get two free drinks and

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they have past apps and you just mingle with the
Bravo labs. And that is expensive, but that is how
like you kind of like get somebody to you know
when you come on my show, when I you know,
and we hand out a personal fan and people you know,
and everybody loves that. Ladies of a certain age, we
love to get a fan.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I love a fan.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
I love a fan.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
So wait, so which housewife of Salt Lake City are
you most dying to see?

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Well, Mary Cosby, of course. I don't think she will
give me the time of day. Maybe she'll insult me
and then I'll be honored. I'm not sure. I've met
Lisa Barlow, no scratch. Met Meredith Marx and Brooks last time,
gave him a personal van, super nice. Met Heather Gay

(08:17):
and Angie. We hung out within the airport, like literally.
Heather Gay rode the tram with us in the airport
because she was lost and Angie and her husband had
left her.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
So we're like, we'll go with us.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Otherwise, I don't really care about being Britney Bateman. I'm sorry.
I'll just jump on that draink Broadwyn I think is
very interesting. Maybe I'd like to meet Bronwin.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Bronwyn would be my pick, aside from Mary, who I
think is so sweet. She's such a doll. I can't imagine, are.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
You watching the same show. Yes, have you watched it
for seasons? So she will cut you down so quick? Yes,
he is like, but I do. I do enjoy her.
I think she's really funny, although we don't think she's
trying to be.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
No. I think she's just so blunt, you know, and
I like it. I like Mary.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think that if you watch Miguel, like I was
just talking about the way he takes just like Mary
Cosby as a kindergarten teacher, you know, And I'll be like,
I don't know who told you that Colerine was good.
It's not you know, that kind of thing, and that's
how she is.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I yet.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, so I told you guys, we're gonna talk about
Bravo today, so you have to watch Salt Lake City
because you're like.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
We watched Below Deck. I was like, boo, let's talk
about Salt Lake City. So both of you have caught up.
Is this correct?

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yes? But I have, Okay, earlier season, so I am
basing Mary on this current season we're in. I think
she's the nicest one of all of them.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Okay, well, going back a little bit and then just
do it, Just do a light google on Mary's church
and what happened with her. You could go listen to
the Bravo docket ladies talk about the.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Lawsuits between her and her mom. It's rip.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
So yeah, it's not always been great with old Mayor,
but she's always been hilarious, always been hilarious. I mean
there's been seasons Stacy where they'll be like, Mary, do
you want to come sit by us?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
She's like, no, no, why would I want to sit
over there? Okay?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Or sometimes she's like I'm not participating and just go
sit in the production man and go you want to
find me, I'll being.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
The production man. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to.
I don't want to do anything. You ladies are disgusting.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
I mean I appreciate the integrity of it. I gotta say,
especially just purely based on this season. I get it,
you know, and I love the Yeah, the integrity.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, all right, we'll call it that. So listen, this
is a very good season so far. And the fact that.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
You guys were like, we only watched below Deck and
they this episode was a Below Deck crossover meant to be.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
I mean, I was in my element. I was so
excited about the fact that, like I when I was
watching this last night, I was like, Oh, it's like
everything I love together. It's all my favorite people, Daisy
and you know, and the captain and then like all
these like crazy ladies. I have never seen an episode
of Below Deck that was so off the rails quite frankly.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Okay, but you know that then they're going to show
the Willow Deck episode that's going to be the other side.
Oh yeah, okay, So here's my question.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I've only watched seasons that have Captain Sandy Captain Lee
of course, and I've never watched I only know about
Captain Jason for the Bravo lure of like he bangs everybody, right,
that's the only like that he does, like and Heather
gay like and then it did on the show she
did she.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Admitted that they had like a like a moment. She
didn't really say exactly what they did, but.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Hook it up and then and then I love the
cancel after the fact. She's like a going this straight
to camera and just go, oh well no, just delete that, Like.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I didn't say that though. Will we have it on tape? Girl?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, So let's talk about this cruise is I'm not
familiar now Jooo. I recognized m hm because he was
on a season that I watched somewhere at some point.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I think he was on a Captain Sandy season.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I think he was with da I see Daisy.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I didn't recognize And who who was the guy with
the hair with the black hair? What was happening with
that guy's hair? Mike was his same Mike?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Oh yeah, I don't he's a new one. I don't
think he's I think he's just floating on this season.
You know, new people come in all the time. Not
everybody stays around.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
He had an Australian accent.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Tired, but he is so.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
He had it was like a Donald Trump but black hair.
He's young.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah, yeah, I think he's a deckhand. But I don't
think it was the first time I'd ever seen him.
I don't know, because I haven't seen that. I haven't
seen that below deck season. But but the chef was back,
I mean were, Yes.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
He's been around then, Yes, Salty Dog.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
I love him.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I love him too. I love how he came out
there and he was like, fuck this, He's like they're
waiting to say hello.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
I mean, you know, this is a five star you know,
it's supposed to be a five star experience. When the
chef comes out, changes his coat, yes one, says oh,
thank you so much, and gives the feedback on the food.
He's literally standing there waiting for them to shut up,
and they're all just at each other. He finally goes,
fuck this and looks inside. I mean, it was amazing.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I felt so bad for that entire crew.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
I think it was Daisy right standing there and she's
just kind of horrified. Dog, I mean, yeah, what do
you do.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
You're bringing food out and you're like stop swinging your
arm for a minute so I can. And they're like
been flanking food at each other and I'm like, oh
my god.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
And then the poor dude has to show up with
the shop back, and hilarious came up, the drinks on
each other at the I mean hilarious. Wow.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
That was off perfect.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
It was. It was absolutely off the rails. And now,
I mean I feel like Angie getting sick and Mary
not being there. If Mary had been there, I don't
know what would have happened.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, because she's not a huge Lisa fan. She's not
a huge Lisa fan.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
No, Mary but I feel like she would have just
like fueled that fire even more. I mean, do you
think this is going to change everything moving forward? It will?
They're all against her, Lisa.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
What was I kind of found what was interesting was
Heather's sort of internal dilemma of oh, I've turned against
my friend. And I think she's always thought Lisa is
the cool girl that would never be friends with me.
And if you go back from season one, Stacy, you'll
see that Heather has always wanted the other.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Girls, like the cooler girls to be friends with her.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
And immediately, like at the first season, they're like, we
heard you were a good time girl.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
We heard.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Heather's like what, And then you know, she came from
this or her husband's family came from this, like very
well known Mormon family, so she's sort of married into
Mormon royalty.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
And then of course now she's bad Mormon.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
All this, she's always wanted their approval and for her
to like stand up and be like, Lisa, we all
know you're doing it.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Is really big.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
And she had such a moral dilemma that she came
in there and was like she was trying to really
talk to Angie, but Mary was chiming in, She's like, okay, okay,
I feel strong, okay, because she was like going to
go and apologize to Lisa and tell her like she
didn't believe any of it when she believed all of it.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Well, they're all scared of her. I mean, it's why
she tried to get Meredith on her side, because Meredith
is like the lynchpin to Lisa. But she's done the
same damn thing to Meredith. She did it to Meredith
two seasons ago, and they weren't friends for a very
long time. I mean, I one percent believe I think
Lisa is a snake. I think she is a snake.
I think she talks bad about everyone behind their back.

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I think she plants stories, and I think she's always
done that. Liar.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
She talks about her private investigator that she has and
all that, Like, if you're going to talk about it,
then people are going to assume you're investigating them.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
I mean, the lady does protest too much. Literally, you know,
Brittany and and uh sorry who else was it?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Whitney?

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, they were They were most like just asking the
questions at that at the lunch table, and she's the
first one to all of a sudden, gets so defensive.
No one was even accusing.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Her, Right, who brought the cucumber?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
I don't, okay, And why anyone brought that cucumber? I
think that was a plant. I think some production person
thought it was really funny. Not for nothing, Okay. Look,
I was an exchange student in the Caribbean. I've actually
been to Canawan, but I was shocked to see it.
Now it was not built up back a million years ago.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Oh it looked beautiful.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, it's pretty. I mean the water is gorgeous, but yeah,
didn't used to be built up like that. But did
you see the size of that cucumber? Yeah, it was
very short and a very fat. Now where are you
getting that here? Where in Salt Lake City? It looked homegrown.
It looked to me like something that was purchased in

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the Caribbean.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Question, you can't bring fruits and vegetables in and out
like you know, like would you leave Puerto Rico, They
put your bags through a special thing to make sure
you're not bringing any fruits and vegetables and seeds. And
you're like, you got to go through a separate screening
for that. So can you bring a cucumber into another.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Country you're not supposed to. I mean, things like slipped
in the cracks. But yeah, I think I don't.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Think people are checking the bags like leaving the US
and coming into the Caribbean as much. Perhaps right, right,
right right, totally local vegetable, That is my theory. I
do think production planted it just to see, you know,
you know, is someone going to find this when they're
unpacking and you know, make a thing of it. And
then they of course they grabbed onto it and they

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ran with it. But I mean, it's ironic to hear
that Heather is the one who's you know, wants to
be cool or wants to be in with these ladies.
I think Heather is the coolest one of them all.
She's the most r backed. I feel like she's the
most truly herself. She seems the least scared of everyone.
But I do find Braunwyn completely fascinating. I thought it

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was fascinating that at the dinner when, by the way,
I love her looks. Yeah, I loved the dresses, and
when she showed up on that boat in that be outfit,
and multiple ones of those ladies said, is this fashion
or is it costume.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Because you don't know that she also wears costumes. She
also goes and greets her husband at the airport, like
in a full dinosaur costume. But then she also does
high fashion and says things like Christian Duor only made
three of these jackets, but you could go right now
in eBay and find forty four of them. So like,
she does a lot of high fashion, and she's very
close with Christian Siriana, like he's kind as her guest

(19:07):
to watch what happens live. So she isn't a high
fashion but she also does enjoy like an alligator costume
at the airport.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
That was not an alligator costume, that was clearly fashion,
It was clearly couture. I was freaking outraged. I'm still
not over it. I was mad for the entire She
just kind of let it wash over her.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Eye because it was a stupid outfit. Not come on now,
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Okay, it was the drama, the effort, the fun, the
theater of it. Yeah, I just love and I love
that she does it anyhow, getting back to my point here, Okay,
so at the dinner when Bronwyn stirs up all this
stuff and is talking about what you know, what Britney
said about Meredith and about the and then when Heather

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brings up the thing about well, Lisa, did you plant
these stories? Bron Wan's like this. When bron thinks that
she did is.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
She's the one who said it in the beginning, right.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
She's shocked that Heather is confronting Lisa. Is what she
shocked about.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I could see that. But she also just looked
instead of just being like, all right, well now you're
bringing it up, So what Lisa, what's up? She's like,
what like she is? She stayed shocked for a long time,
is what I'm saying. So I don't know. She's fascinating.
But that backless dress, the strong sleeve. I love a
strong sleeve.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I just she looks amazing. I love that dress.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
She listen all of them just just bebopping around in
their bikinis. Is just like, Okay, now I have a question.
So you guys know that Real Housewoves Salt Lake City
just redid the iconic Entertainment Weekly cover with Desperate Housewives. Okay,
so there's a okay, so they just redid it in
their own way. And Mary, she's back there standing in

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a dress. They're all in bathing suits, and Mary's in
a dress, just a dress in hose and sensible heels.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
She was a fool. I have a.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Theory about Mary that I couldn't sleep last night thinking about,
because this is what my brain does when I try
to go to sleep. Mary has mentioned, or it was
mentioned in one of the earlier seasons. Now, Stacey, when
you go back, you can remind us, because I can't
remember now because my brain thinks just go in and
they go out. Mary mentioned on one of the earlier

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seasons that she had to spend like two years in
New York when she first married her step grandfather. She
had to send two years in New York because she
had to get all of her odor glands removed. Remember
that Christine shook get all of her odor glands removed.
Unclear unclear, but many people thought while she was there

(21:51):
she also had head to toe skin lightning done. Okay,
that was the rumor. She has said she had something
wrong with your skin. I would like for you to
notice you have never ever seen Mary's legs or arms.
She's always in long sleeves, long pants. Every picture she
has hose on, and sometimes they're an ironic hose, like

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like a red hose with a yellow heel to be
fashionable or whatever. But you've never seen her arms or
her legs. So I have a theory that the reason
she's she's on this trip is she's always in a kafftan.
And listen, I'm not getting a bathsuit either, like I'm
not good to I'm not doing it. I also am
going to be in a kafftan, So I get it.
But everything she wears is going to be fully covered

(22:35):
to the wrist to the ankle.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, that is a good point. I mean, I guess
I just kind of took it in stride because she
seems religious. I thought maybe that was a conservative sort
of religious sort of modesty thing gonna you know, show
a lot of skin, but maybe not it.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
If somebody knows the answer, I'd love to know, because
she's endlessly fascinating.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Oh she is. Yeah, I have a question. Okay, So
all this stuff that came out about Bronwyn, you know,
twenty years ago, she says it's nothing, she didn't pay
her rent or whatever, and someone is dredging the stuff
up to make her look bad. But then there's this
other thing that was coming out about like fraud and

(23:28):
the penal code, and but I was just gripped into it.
But I didn't have right. She was like, there was
never a mugshot, I was never arrested. But you know,
once again, it had nothing to do with me. It
was like this someone was being investigated at my business
or at my where I worked. That's what she said, Stacy,
you're a lawyer, let's get into it. So tell me
what is this penal code? What could it possibly be?

(23:50):
If you're not charged but you are, you're like your
group dault involved but the case is sealed. What does
this mean?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I was wondering if exactly the same thing I couldn't
I want? Okay, the eviction thing, who cares you got
evicted when you're nineteen? That is just a big nothing right.
The other thing was I felt like I was going
crazy because I'm listening going wait, is this a conviction?
Is it an arrest?

Speaker 4 (24:19):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (24:19):
It made sense to me what bron Win said that
different crimes can fall under the same statute but different subdivisions.
That makes perfect sense. We have that in the Californian
penal Code as well, where subdivision A could be grand theft,
and B could be identity theft, where you know the
whole statute is maybe theft, right, and then you have
different variations of it underneath. That made sense, But then

(24:41):
I didn't. I just I still don't get what it is. Yeah,
was she charged, but then the case was dismissed? Was it?

Speaker 5 (24:48):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Was she convicted and then she had it sealed? When
she said sealed to me at least again, I'm only
a California lawyer. I don't practice anywhere else. But to me,
when she said sealed, it sounded like a conviction, just
because that's what you generally get sealed, is a conviction.
You can move back to court and try to get
it sealed. Now you can try to get.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
And let me ask you this, why do people do that?
Why do people get things sealed? Like we're having this issue.
I mean, you know, in my world in ninety day,
fiance like Gino and Jasmine are divorced or getting a
divorce and that has been sealed and confidential, and you're like, so,
why why does that get to be sealed and confidential?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
And you can't follafoya or try to get it or whatever?
What does it mean?

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I mean in California, you can go to court and
seek for your conviction or whatever to be sealed. I mean,
California has laws that I that not every state has.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Here, you know, employers as far as I know, don't
find out about felony convictions anymore in it generally.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Wow, yeah, that was a pretty recent law that was
passed here as far as I know. But so you know, yeah,
you can go back and seek to get it sealed
because you don't want those convictions coming up. You know,
you don't want to hide those if you're a juvenile
and you get you know, here, we don't say juveniles
are convicted, but they're adjudicated to have committed a crime.

(26:09):
Those automatically get sealed. So you could have a juvenile,
you know, really serious crime and it would just automatically
get sealed in California. So I don't know, man, I
don't know what went on there. It sure seems like
a conviction.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
But but if someone wanted their conviction sealed, it's because
they don't want it getting out, correct. That's the whole point.
So that you can't do any research on it. And
just like when they were asking her about it, like,
just tell us what you did, Like, tell us what
is it about. She's like, I can't talk about it.
I can't talk about it. So she made it sound
like she was under some kind of legal obligation to
not discuss it. But maybe she's not.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Or she's just saying it's sealed so I can't talk
about it, right, But if.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
It's about her, I had want so therefore I do.
I don't wish to speak about it. Or maybe it
had to do with a minor I don't know, and
that's why it was sealed, her child or something.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I don't know its identity. Theft is my understanding.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, it's not to me, like she was basically taking
the fifth without using those words that when she was
saying I can't talk about it, she was trying to,
I think, make it seem like there was, but what
would There is no legal reason. It's if it's a
criminal thing, there's no Who were you having a contract
with saying that you're not going to speak about it?

Speaker 5 (27:20):
No one?

Speaker 3 (27:20):
You know, you're just todding.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I don't know. Granted me, have you ever seen a
more humorless Oh my god, your life?

Speaker 4 (27:30):
But why are they together? How long have they been together?
And why he seems miserable?

Speaker 1 (27:37):
He's he was miserable last season, and I thought, okay,
well that's it. He came to the reunion and acted
fairly normal, and I was like, Okay, next season, either
he'll be light, he'll be trying to like turn his reputation.
I'm a I'm a fun guy whose wife goes to
the airport dressed like little bo Peeve like I'm fun.
But no, uh, he just went right back to being
grumpy old man that everybody hates.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Do they have a large age gap?

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, I want to say like forty years.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
When they were doing ice cream, I just thought, girl,
he doesn't like you, not at all. Seemed like he
was ready to strangle her. And they're here heaving. This
is super wholesome. You know, they're eating these ice cream Sundays,
and I just thought this is dark because this man

(28:27):
he was beyond annoyed or frustrated. He just seemed like,
I don't I don't like this bitch.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
He's like, I don't like this, I don't like these cameras.
I don't like Lisa Barlow. Why would you you know
you're stupid for being on the show. You're stupid for
wanting to hang out with what he says, why would
you want to hang out with? What he means is
why do you want to be on the show? And
she's like, well, I'd like to get my own pot
of money so i can divorce you, which is a
housewife trope for years and years in the past. Right,

(28:52):
just get enough money so you can leave your husband,
which is what we're all hoping she's doing, and we will,
we will start to go fund me so she can't.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
But you know he's awful. Okay, now this leads me
to my next question. Legally we can get back to
Salt Lake City.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
But legally, since we're on the legal talk, do you
know about Wendy from the Real Housewives of Potomac and
what she's being charged with?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Stacy No? Do you know, Christine?

Speaker 4 (29:20):
No? Because people, all these housewives keep getting charged with crap.
Why shady?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Why are they dumb? And this is also one of
the dumbest crimes ever.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I did hear Vicky Gumbelson on Carlos King's podcast talking
about this because this is an insurance fraud and Vicky Gumblson,
of course real ogfoc was Callo Assurance and she's very
into insurance, so she has actually had a lot of
insight into this. So real Housewives of Potomac my area here,

(29:51):
Wendy Osepho and her husband were arrested on like eighteen
felony counts. I think she was fourteen, he was eighteen.
Fell accounts of insurance fraud. They had like they went
on vacation. They said they went to Jamaica and came
back their house was broken into. They said, like twenty
four items were missing. Now, VICKI said, that's a first

(30:13):
red flag. Is if you itemize twenty four items on
your insurance, that's a first red flag because normally you
would just be like jewelry up to a million dollars,
you know, other luxury items up to this, but that
they individualized so many pieces on three different insurance policies,
a jewelry policy, a homeowner's.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Policy, and a third policy.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
So then what they did was they said it was
all stolen and they had receipts from every single item,
like from twenty eighteen, receipts of like a product belt
or whatever everything. Then so they claimed it on three
different insurances, which you can't do if you don't tell
the other insurances that you did that.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
So they're trying to get it three times.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Then the cops went over to sort of investigate the
scene and were like, so they came in through this
bathroom window. They've got ring cameras around their house that
caught nobody. There's never once ever in this neighborhood been
any theft from anyone, and her parents lived down the street,
and you've got twenty four items that are missing. And

(31:13):
they came in through this upstairs bathroom window which was
just like cracked open, and then like some drawers had
some things thrown out of them, and that was it.
And so the cops went up on the roof and
walked on the roof to kind of see how could
you get up there, how could you do it? And
they tracked in a lot of what they called roof
debris when they came in, But when they went into

(31:33):
the room initially, there's no roof debris. So nobody walked
on that roof and came in that way. They figured
out like it couldn't have been done the way they
said it. Plus they there's like four ring cameras caught
nothing and no neighborhood. Ring camera caught anything and there's
never been a theft in that neighborhood. So they got
busted for insurance. Fought and and Stacy, you'll love this, Eddie.

(31:55):
The husband is a lawyer, and he wrote an email
to his WFE saying, Hey, make sure do you have
any other items we can add because we're trying to
get to the maximum four twenty five that the insurance
will pay out. Do you have any more items? You
forgot the list? Then she got photographed wearing a ring
that she had claimed no.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
On a red carpet and it was and it was
a ring.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Then in addition to that, they went and looked, they
did the forensic accounting and found out all this stuff
that they were claiming that they had receipts that they
bought they had all returned, so they were triple dipping.
They had done the insurance and returned the items and
were claiming to get the money back because they had
the receipts when they bought them, but they didn't show
the receipts when they returned them. They went to the

(32:41):
stores they were like, hey, can you look up in
your Louis Vuitton system They're like, oh, yeah, she bought
this first, but she returned it for all fours. So
they did twenty four items and Eddie's being charged for
the eighteen. She's been charged with the fourteen. So somewhere
in there those other items they couldn't figure out what
they did with them.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Isn't that crazy? How stupid?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And he's a lawyer and wrote an email to his
wife saying, listen, some more items we need to get
to that maximum.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I mean, all I can say is everyone is innocent
until proven guilty, right assumption of innocence. The thing that
jumped out to me the most in your whole recitation
of these facts was knowing immediately what was missing, because
in my experience in you know, burglary cases and you
know houses getting you know, knocked over and stuff, people

(33:30):
often have a really hard time figuring out what's missing.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
I mean it's one thing if somebody breaks into a safe,
and you may have taken a photo of your safe
as it looks right before you close the door, so
you have a visual inventory of what's in there. That's
one thing you know that makes sense if the all right,
the safe's empty, all that While that stuff is gone.
But being able to say these twenty four items are
missing from the house that usually doesn't happen. You know, people,

(33:56):
it takes people a week to usually get back to
the cops and go, Okay, we figured it out. The
one you know game system is missing from the family room.
You know, this pair of fancy sunglasses we realized is
not here. But you know what I mean it, Generally
people have a hard time really identifying exactly what's missing, y'all.

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So here's my insurance story. So I had diamond earrings
that my husband gave me for my tenth anniversary. Okay,
I wear them? Am I wearing them?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Now?

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I wear them all the time. So we went on
a family vacation, come home, only have one earring.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
It's like, oh my gosh, so called the hotel. Of course, No, no,
we don't have it. And I was like, you know,
well a lucky day for somebody. So it was crazy.
So I waited and waited.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I was like, It's going to fall out of a bag,
or I'm going to remember where I put it, or
like I stuck it in the fridge, like something's going
to happen, right, Nothing never happened.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
So finally we get in.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Touch with our guy, Alex, our insurance guy that we've
had for twenty five years, and file the claim. So
because we had the receipt and we had the appraisal
from when he gave them to me, we had it all.
So he gave us a check for the original price. No,
I think the market value price of what the earrings
were worth now for two earrings, because they only do

(36:47):
it with pairs. Of course me, I'm like, no, just
give it for me for the one. He's like, no,
they do it as a pair. So I got the check,
sits on the kitchen table. Because I'm terrible a revout
remembering to take I had to go to the bank.
It was back before you could do it on your phone.
I was like, whenever I'll get over there. Kept forgetting
That week, my husband was going on a work trip.

(37:08):
He gets out, but it was like a longer trip,
so he wouldn't just.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Take it as double.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
He puts the suitcase on the bed, flips it open.
The thing hits the wall, and my earring flies out
of the suitcase and hits the wall.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
It had been in there the whole time. It had
fallen out of my little pouch and it was just
loose in this big suitcase.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
And he's like, something just hit the wall. I was like,
so then, of course, now I'm like they're gonna think I've.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Committed insurance fraud.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
I call Alex, our insurance guy, like on a Sunday night,
in a panic, and he goes, did you catch the check?
I go, no, I didn't catch the check. He goes,
then you're fine, I'll make a note you claim is canceled.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Rip the check.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
And I was like, oh my god, I was so scared.
It's going to be like a slight on my reputation
that I was like a liar. But he goes, has
all the time he goes and you didn't catch the check,
so we're clear. I'm just going to cancel it out
of the system. I was, so I'm just the Can
imagine the stress if you would have done that with
twenty four items equaling over like half an million dollars

(38:08):
five hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Yeah, I mean, good for you for being so honest too.
You know, I think a well is gonna know you
know well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Let me tell you what I did think about it,
but I didn't want that to come back on me
in some terrible way later.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
No, I mean, yeah, it's it's I mean, it's I
don't know. I keep going back to like that season
of Housewives of Beverly Hills with Erica Girardi.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yes, listen, but you know you think about all the
break INDs on Housewives, Right there was the bear's the
famous one in Real Housewives of Beverly Hills with dreet
But they have ring.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Footage of it.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Oh yeah, no it.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Teddy Mellencamp has had it ring footage of these two
guys jumping over landing on her trash cans, like you know,
they've got ring footage of the people Kyle when all
of her stuff got stolen, the house wasn't occupied yet.
They had moved their stuff in, but they weren't in
it yet, so nobody was there when the house got
broken into, and they had no alarm system set up yet.

(39:19):
But when she talks about it, she goes, these were
like things that my mother gave me. You know, none
of these people have ever been and Toreek would be
the one, but nobody else has ever come out and.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Said, Okay, well this is insurance fraud.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
So I don't know if Wendy and Eddie a lawyer
and Wendy had her whole thing. Stacy is she has
like five degrees. She's a adjunct professor at Johns Hopkins University.
These are not stupid people.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
That's a very weird move for them, very weird, and
to not even like.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Hey, we're going to pay somebody, We'll give them ten
k to creep around our house, just something anything.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
They didn't do anything to make.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
It look like a break in, nothing like the balls
and the fact that he's a lawyer and he just
he just started a cannabis company too, And all they've
been talking about on the show this season is how
successful it is.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
And now you're gonna wonder that's weird.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
So are they going to trial or what status is
the case at.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well, they went in and they their much shots are crazy.
They look like they've been partaking of Happy Eddie cannabis.
They both look stone out of their gourd, and they're
they have three kids. And again, these are very very
highly educated, smart people, and they know they bonded out
or bailed out or whatever bond I guess, and I
think had their passports taken. And no, it's gonna like

(40:45):
they're in the status of they're going to be taking
them to court, so they're either going to have to
flee out. But of course her things have been like
thank you for all the well wishes, I'm home with
my family now, thanks for sending love and light, and
we're like, girl, it's not And she was so hard
on Karen Huber, not hard on, but like everybody was

(41:05):
hard on Karen Youger, another woman on that cast who
went to jail because she had gotten her fifth duy
and so she would She just got out of jail
another woman on that cast, and Wendy was friends with her,
and I'm like, well, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
You have to go to jail if you do bad things.
My husband's a lawyer, and.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Well, gonna have to eat those words now, aren't you.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
And it's a lot of chatter about do some of
these women do these things because they're trying to keep
up with the lifestyle, right, they want to look like
they have more money than they do to be on
this show.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
I would love I just imagine for a second if
I was on one of these housewives shows, I would
be like the poorest housewife possible because all I do
is thrift. People would literally be like, what is happening
with you? I'd be bringing my own sandwiches and the like.
I'd be pulling out stuff from my purse, making so

(42:04):
much fun of me, and I would don't care, Like
I wouldn't care at all. But I think you're right.
I think there is definitely like a keeping up factor
for some of them.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, and you know, like on I'm just trying, Okay,
So Real Housewives of OC. We have Gina and she's
been on a while and she you know, had a
bad divorce and lived in a very small house with
her boyfriend and they each had three kids that all
the kids weren't always there at the same time, but
they literally had a bedroom for the boys and a
bedroom with the girls. And everybody made fun of her.

(42:35):
They're like, it's like going to camp over there with
bunk beds everywhere. But they were living within.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Their means, you know. And now she just got a
new house, which is.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
A perfectly lovely probably where she lives, two million dollar house.
Where anybody else lives, it'd probably be a six hundred
thousand dollar house.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
But it's a beautiful house.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
It's got like four bedrooms, and everybody's like, look at
her a little cute little like, oh, our house is
so cute. I'm like, when she owned that house where
they all of the kids all had the monk beds,
she was the only person on the cast that owned
her home.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Everyone else rented.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Right, I mean, it's just like but again, like you
go back to Salt Lake City. I mean, Lisa is
also she's so brutal with is it Angie? Is she
the one she's Oh, she usually spends her her vacations
in a trailer. Oh, she's never been on a boat.
This is gonna be so good for her. Like it's

(43:30):
it's so brutal, the way she talks about her.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I've met Angie and her husband in real life again
at the airport and on the way home from Bravo Khan.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
So nice. The husband was so nice. So we at
Bravo Khan give out I don't have one here, and
normally I have one right at the ready.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
We give out these poker chips and I'm just looking,
I can't believe I don't have one poker chips. And
we went up to him and like, oh, we met
you at the so and so. We gave you the fan,
the poker chip, whatever. And her husband pulled out the
poker chip from his pocket.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
He goes, I kept this. I thought this was so cool.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
They were so nice, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I mean she's tiny. Angie is tiny. I bet five
feet tall. Tiny.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Oh wow, yeah, you can see she's very petite. I
mean she's she's definitely charming. You know, she can turn
on the charm. She seems really nice. I mean that
scene with her dad, you know, it was so sweet.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
You know, their relationship did seemed really really sweet, and
you know, just kind of how she is with the
crew on the boat.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
She's she's very charming.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Love Angie, Love Angie. I love her and Mary's friendship.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Oh my gosh, it's so interesting. I mean, she was
so mad at her after that that dinner, like so
pissed off, and like I was like, oh, that's the
end of them. And then they, I mean they definitely
like came back together. But that whole argument was she
came over and she's like, let's just, you know, mend fences.
She's like, I was mad at you because you were

(44:59):
making fun of my farts. And I was dying at
that conversation.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I was like what.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
He's like, what just what do you what? I mean?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
She I didn't tell you. I would. I would be
mad about that too.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I would be mad if I said, listen, tootored, I'm sorry,
and then if you brought it up for forty five
more minutes, I'd be like, Okay, I could have.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Just blamed it on the dog.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I was being honest, but when she kept bringing it up,
I would be mad to him, like you're trying to
make fun of me and embarrass me. And there's cameras
here and right, yeah, and that's really what I'm mad about.
You made fun of me passing gas. Mary talks about
passing gas a lot. Though it's kind of a thing,
she'd loves to talk about it. She's the opposite of me.
I don't discuss it.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
So I was like, but even you guys, even on
this episode with the blowdeck crossover, she goes in the
bathroom and comes out, was like, whoa, Oh.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Yeah, no, she is fully she's the one who's bringing
it up. I mean, yeah, I've heard her talk about
it many times.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
She's like, now I'm ready to eat? Yeah, WHOA ready
to go?

Speaker 1 (46:05):
It's like, oh moore, Angie's over there about to throw up,
and you're talking about your pooping and you're eating and uh.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Every time they showed Angie, she's.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Just laying like a mummy, like Iran or something.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
I know what a nightmare. I mean, let me ask
you a question about like Lisa and Meredith when all
of that came out, and Lisa looks at Meredith and
she was like, you better have backed me up, You
better have not. I mean, she was so intense with this,
like and of course, and then Meredith is like backpedaling.

(46:38):
I did I did, which By the way, all she
said was.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
My massive dog is breaking out.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Okay, go ahead, Chris, go ahead, Christy.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
I get the feeling that Meredith just doesn't she like
doesn't want to get involved. She just wants to throw
it under the rug. She doesn't want to have another
fight with Lisa. She doesn't want to be she doesn't
want to be on the offensive with her. She just
wants to be like, well, we don't know when. We
all just want to move forward.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Right, But that's not going to happen. And Lisa Lisa
going you better have had my back, You better have
my back. That was interesting because I was like, what's
that about?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Because Stacy, there have been other seasons four, three seasons
ago where Lisa got caught on a hot mic.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Stacy, this is why you have to go back. Lisa
got caught on a hot mic.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
She went into the bedroom and she's speaking to her
producer and she goes, I can't believe Meredith.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
That Meredith with her fake family, that poses and she's
fucked half in New York. She's the biggest whoreor da
da da da, her fucking fake family. She talks about
her family. She talks about her being a whore. She says,
she fucked happened New York and it's bad. And then
she comes out and pulls her microphone and goes take this.
I was like, too late, girl. So they've had some

(48:02):
real problems, the two of them.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
Lisa is so funny one because she's so you know,
savage when she goes after.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
People, but then she's so fragile too. You know, she's crying.
It's like she's cut to her core. Those are those
are funny types of people where they're so you know,
so aggressive and come on so strong, but then they're
so hurt and so vulnerable, and you know, it's it's
a funny contradiction that she's got going on.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
I was worried about her sitting out on that like
dive pad off the back of the boat. I was like, girl,
And at one point they showed it and they backed
away and I was watching them like my big television.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I was like, are those fish or so many fish?
Is fish?

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Right?

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:51):
I'm actually very surprised because on a couple other episodes
of Below Deck they don't like when people are drinking,
and then that far that close to the water. They're
usually like, you can't be out here, can't really be
You got to be like behind the barrier. So I
was actually quite surprised if they let her be out there.
I don't think anyone wanted to touch her. I think

(49:11):
everyone was scared after that.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
And then Brittany came out there was crouching down. I
was like, sit all the way down, you're gonna fall,
You're gonna fall, and say, season, you don't know, you
haven't watched, you don't know that. Britney's boyfriend is a
wayward Osmond. He's Jared Osmond. He is a cousin of
the Osmonds, or he is a child of an Osmond whatever.

(49:35):
His last name is Osmond, and that's of course Mormon royalty,
so that's why they're always.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Like this Jared guy is such a Jared. He looks
just like the Osmond's. He's got that square head and
the big teeth. Yeah, he looks just like him.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
That I mean talking unicorn stuffed animal was wild.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
No, No, we did see a preview that it ends
up in water. So somebody just gets mad enough at
her to throw it in the water. She had on
a very unfortunate top. In one she was talking to
Rohmin in the closet. I took a picture of it.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I was like, let somebody somebody told her this isn't like.
Let's see if I can pull it up so you
guys could just see what I'm talking about. This was
a very unfortunate top.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Oh yeah, I definitely thought it was going to come down.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I was like, what she kept new boobs, new boobs
who disc like I get it, but yeah, yeah, so
of this cast.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
If you had to go on a cruise and you
can pick two people, who would it be?

Speaker 4 (50:43):
I would pick Heather for sure. I think she's definitely
the nicest of all of them, and I'd probably pick Hmmm.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
I mean, I feel like Whitney and I could get along.
She just seems like she could just be easy in
front times not a lot, So I think they'd be
the most fun to go with, although Mary would be hilarious.
But I'm also afraid of Mary. I'm low key afraid
of Mary.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
She would insult your outfits.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
She told everything about me. What do you bring in
snacks on this boat? Get out of here?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Who told you to bring that?

Speaker 5 (51:20):
That was good for you.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
You should be drinking. What about you, Stacy, who would
you bring?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I love Mary, I can't help it. I would say Mary,
And I think I would probably go with Heather. I
think Heather is just the coolest and the most relaxed. Yeah,
and down to earth, I think, I think and I
think they would be good with each other too.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I think Heather is still from Caesar's Fast. Heather is
still wary and afraid of Mary a little. You could
tell by the way she she talks to hers, like, Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Mary, thank you, because Stacy in hears past, Mary has
called her inbread. She said you look in bread. And
then Heather went to her house and said, now that
we're friends, do you still think I look in bread?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
And She's like, yeah, you do. She's called her fat.
She's like, I mean who they have had.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Was that Mary was least?

Speaker 2 (52:12):
No, that was Genshaw, Rip, that was Ginshaw.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
Wait, Heather.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Her best friend Jenshaw said she looked like Shrek.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
There's a lot of mean girl stuff that has been
directed at Heather, and it's so sad because I just
I feel like she's I feel like she's been through
a lot in her life, like leaving the Mormon Church.
You know, she's got the kids, She's just I don't know.
I just feel like I always felt bad for her.
I felt like she was just such a nice person

(52:46):
who just I think was so excommunicated from her own family,
and that's got to be really hard, even if that's
what you choose.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
So I liked Heather at the beginning of the season
when they were on that Came trip. I liked that
she was honest and said, you know, her last child
was going to college and she was ready for the break.
She was like, I'm not sad about it. And I
felt that way when both of my kids went away.
I mean, one came right back, but both of my
kids went away to college, and I didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Feel that what am I gonna do?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I have to talk to every day.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I got to check and see what.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
They're eating, and oh my god. I didn't feel that way.
I was like, Okay, good, I get.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
A little break, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
And maybe that is a selfish part of me, but
you think, like I remember the last day my son
went to high school, and I thought I never have
to make a school lunch again. It was such a
good feeling. It's the same thing I talked about on
the show. The day that you realize you don't have
to get in the pool anymore with your kids, Like
the day that you don't have to get in the
pool because they can swim and you don't have to
get in the pool. These are like milestones where you're like, Okay,

(53:47):
I'm actually gonna be able to sit and read my book,
or I don't have to get up at six point
thirty to make a school lunch that he's not going
to eat anyway, he's gonna leave school and go to
five guys.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
So I felt for her because I felt like Bron
Whin had such an opposite thing. But Bron was like,
I had my kids so little and had so many
hard years that I want to keep my daughter close.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
And that's fine too, that's everybody.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
It was because I have friends who are just like
heartbroken about their kids going to college, and I'm like, Okay,
I don't care that much. I'm like, I just they're
gonna they're gonna be a home. And maybe because my
kids went to camp for a month in the summer
that I'm more.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Used to it. That was hard because they were little. Yeah,
you know, twenty and twenty two years old. And if
they're gone for a.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Week, all right, I'll see you in a couple of weeks.
You know, I'm checking in. It's not like I don't
have them on location. It's located anytime I want.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
You also have a very full life, Mary Payne. You
have a lot of other children in the Bravo and world,
so you have to look after them.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Well yeah, yeah, and I think but I mean like
Heather has a very full life, and I think Bronwin
has a very full life. She's got to deal with
that terrible, terrible husband, that terrible terrible mother, and she's
got a there's rescue dogs that poop all over her house.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Okay, Kim, we got Can we talk about Muzzy? Sure,
Jussy is freaking brutal. I could not.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Again, there's so many things from this season at the
show that I am not over. When she informed Bronwyn
that in order for her to I don't know, come
into her own in her life or to become successful,
she needed a dime talking about the husband, I about
died when she said that Mussy's just Muzzy's rough.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Muzzy's terrible, And you think Okay, So here she finds herself,
you know, in a very strict religious situation where she
got pregnant and all that, and that was shameful for
the family, but her mom is not let it go.
And the kid's nineteen and by the way, she's right there,
the kid's right there, and you're just like talking so
awful about it, like obviously it turned out, okay, So

(55:56):
she's just an asshole. She's a bad person.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
We're fice.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
I really felt for Bronwyn and those scenes. I just
felt like, Wow, this is a mom that if she
has that.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Kind of tender feeling towards her daughter, you just she
just doesn't let me let her see it at all.
It's just, you know, I felt like Bronwyn just still
so wants that approval and yeah, and just not not
going to get it. And when they cut back to
Muzzy in that scene where they were talking about the

(56:28):
daughter and the teen pregnancy and stuff, she had this
triumphant look on her face, as though she was happy
that Bronwyn was so you know, kind of vulnerable there
and looking for her approval.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
It was it was really really rough.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Muzzy needs to get out of there. But she's I
know Ronan mentioned other sisters and like, go stay with
the other sisters, Like get out of here.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
You're the same age as her husband. He's mean to her.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
You're mean to her, like we're I think Bronwin should
move to New York, join that franchise and live her
life the sex and the city.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
That's what I think.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Yeah, if the other sisters are so great because they
didn't they didn't get pregnant until they were married, well good,
then go be.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
With the ones that you approve of. For God's sake.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
They probably don't want her either, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
And you have to wonder the sisters too, are probably
poisoned against Bronwin as their sister because.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
She's like the slut sister.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
So they were probably their whole life, like you know,
don't get brawin any attention. And Brahmin's daughter isn't you know,
as good as our daughter. I mean, it's so it's
so layered. It's you know, the religious trauma and the
parental it's a lot with Ramwin.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
And I think she's great, great housewives material. She's just
damaged enough, you know, oh good.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
And then when Muzzy said the thing when they were
talking about the dad and you know he's you know,
he's in memory care right now with his Alzheimer's and
all this. And then she says, you're going to be
going through this with Tom soon.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Todd's Todd. Sorry, God, Yeah again, I was shocked.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
I'm not over it.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, and she's like, God, God only hopes I'll go
through with you soon so you can remember how to
be nice.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
A different person with the different personality.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
It's not surprising that she has. She just is looking
for love and acceptance everywhere she can. Yeah, you know, yeah,
I mean that's really what all of that's about. I
feel bad for her kid. I feel bad for like
what happened between them. Yeah, it's just it just seems
like she's she's just constantly been, you know, looking for

(58:39):
stability in that in that way, and it's it's ruined
a lot of her relationships because of it. It's sad.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
I'd love to get her sisters on camera just to
kind of like Richard's sisters on Beverly Hills kind of
see what's what's doing, what's doing there, because you got
Kathy Hilton, the Kyle Richards and the Kim Richards, and
you get that in her room and you're like, wow,
well yeah yeah, and I'm one of three.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Sisters and we've got stories. All right, everybody, you gotta
go and check out. He didn't then like, can give
you day chef it because they talk about step by step. Now,
I s ill told you last time this show I
know it, but it was ninety one to ninety eight,
so I graduated college in ninety one. Guys, So this

(59:24):
wasn't on my radar so much as like Friends or
Seinfeld was. But I do know about the show because
of course Patrick Duffy was on there so hot.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
So has he come on? Who are there?

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Like obviously Suzanne Summers has past, But has Patrick Duffy
come on y'all show to talk about episodes?

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (59:43):
We had him on last season for a Christmas special,
so exciting. And then we're gonna have another little snippet
of him. He and his girlfriend partner, girlfriend Linda Pearl
are Now they started a bread company called Duffy Dough.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
What a great name.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Yeah, and so it just hit like many Krogers throughout,
it's sort of like a Newman's own. They give all
of their proceeds, all of their profits back through food
Stability Charities, and so we did a whole thing. This
was last year when they were doing prototypes and getting
it out there, and he came over and we made
from the starter in the kit, we made pancakes and

(01:00:25):
we had a so we did a whole video with them.
So we're actually going to release that right before Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
I think, Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
They get he gives you the starter, it's because I
don't understand about the starter.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I was like, you got to have the starter. I'm like,
I don't know what that means. Can I just make bread? No,
you gotta have a starter?

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Well, you in the kit they had a starter, they
had the flour, they had the sugar, everything for you
to basically make your own bread. And I think as
this went on and they got their deal with Kroger,
they just decided we're just going to set up a
big kitchen and with your starter, we will just bake
the bread. So I think they have now it's more
like taken bake.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, well that's good, that's good, delicious.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
It's my favorite kind of grip Stacy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I'd like to know what is happening at your house?

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
Sorry, Unfortunately, gardeners have shown up. So we we have
just a never ending construction next door, and now we've
added gardeners on top of that, on top of the
woodpecker at the top of my five hundred pound dog
who has the house bark in the world. Now we're
throwing gardeners on top. So you know, it just keeps
getting better here at Mary Payne.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Actually, well, I had while we were recording, I had
that guy that coming to replace our AC unit pounding
above my head walking up there, and I was like, okay,
and I'm like muting you and I'm muting and I'm like,
listen you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Because we just didn't hear him at all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
So it was it was so loud to me. Well, again,
this was the perfect episode to talk to you guys
about because you're below deck at the Sionado's, so this
is going to be on below deck.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Australia, I guess, yes, okay, So whatever that island is
is an Australian question mark.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I don't know exactly. No, no, no, it was, uh,
they do. I mean they generally are off the coast
of Australia, but this looked I think this is like
adventure is what it's it's okay anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
It's too many, too many iterations for me. And then
they had the sailing yacht and the sailing yacht.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
That's a great one. I really enjoy the sailing yacht.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Okay, well, I want to make sure. I want to
make sure I watch the episode which is the flip
side of this. Yes, I want to see.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Oh so we're going to get some real tea. I
think on how everybody viewed them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah, that's good for me too to sometimes watch some
of the Below Deck shows because the people do show
up at Bravo Con and people are going up to them, like,
who's that is that I recognize? Uh Asia, I recognize
as Yeah, but the weirdest voice of all time. It's
speaking of somebody who likes to talk about pooping. Yeah,
that girl loves to talk about pooping.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
And for those of you out there, if you have
not yet checked out the Reality Gaze and their coverage
of all the Below Deck stuff, it is so funny.
Their ongoing kind of I don't know, love, hate, whatever
you want to call it with Captain Sandy is so
freaking funny.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
You have to check it out if you are a
fan of that franchise. But you will believe me, you
will not be disappointed. I love those two.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
That is so funny. Yeah, Matt is my best friend.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
I know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
I'm jealous of him too. I hear all about the
I'm texting and we're drinking wine and we're watching a
show together, and I'm like, I'm over here. I'm over here.
I have a phone that I could text. I could
drink a glass of wine and watch the show.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Matt was with me when I almost died? Was that fun?

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
Oh my god? He was there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
He and Edrid were there with me at Baldead Island.
They had been there like seven hours, and I was like,
let's go. We're going to get our wine, go and
the golf cart. We're going to go see some alligators.
And we went to do that, and then that's when
it hit me. Yeah, they were there, and so they stayed.
They each stayed one or two two more days, and
then they were like, well, she's like good out of
the hospital. So they left. Oh my god. They were

(01:04:07):
hanging out with my husband and the dogs while I
was in the ICU. Yeah, yeah, he was there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
I'm so stressful.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
I'm the same I mean you're a miracle person, right
does isn't it the case that no one survives that
and you did?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Practically no one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
It's it's yeah, what I had was one in ten million,
the guy told me. And then the guy, the author,
Sebastian Junger, wrote a book about it, something about dying,
and somebody gave it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
I go, I'm not going to read that. I'm good,
I did it. I don't need to read about it.
But I guess he had, you know, saw his dad
and saw the light and you know, it sort of
turned him. I guess the premise of the book is
that he was an atheist before and then he had
this near death experience with the same type of anurism
that I had.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Yeah, but we didn't die, so that's good. I'm a
good company there, Hey you are? Yeah, No, I'm fine.
So anyway, that was neither.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Here nor there. But you guys did to me a
nice card, So thank you. That was very nice.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
That was serious, Like Vicky Gumbelson, an oc all I
wanted was a cast role.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
I didn't get any Nobody sent me a casserole. That's okay.
I couldn't have eaten it anyway. You guys, make sure
we're checking out. Thank you now. Is the podcast is
Keenan Andla can give you deja vu? Or is it
just deja vu? Is Keenan and Lincoln?

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Okay. And is deja vu meaning because you're talking about
the show or is that a catchphrase on the show?

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
No, we're talking about the show. We're talking about the nineties.
We're talking about stuff like you'd remember from your childhood
or adolescence. But yes, I feel like it's just a
world away. Like we talk a lot about you know, analog,
when life was analogog, what was the what was the
vibe back then? And what were the things we did
and how did we behave and how did we unicid

(01:06:00):
and what was funny?

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
And you know, talk about the fashions, the fashions in
all of it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Yeah, yeah, very much.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
So our podcast is I mean, yes, we recap step
by step, and but we also have you know, we
tell the behind the scenes stories because we were there,
and yeah, the whole thing is kind of a coming
of age story about you know, growing up in front
of the cameras.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
In the nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Stacey, Thank you so much, Mary Payne.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
It is as always a total thrill. I am going
to send you my number and I hope that we
can become text friends. That we have a huge dream
of mine and yeah, if this, if we're still you know, podcasting.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
Right now, check us out. We're at Keenan and Lincoln
on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yes to check them out and does follow them on
Instagram too. Then you can get all the behind to
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