November 27, 2025 • 46 mins
Mary Payne talks to buddy Christian Gray Snow about his podcast with Vicki (My Friend, My Soulmate, My Podcast) and his crazy Bravocon experience. We also dip into all the latest Bravo gossip about Wendy, Karen, Kandi, Meghan King and of course, Jen Shah!
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday, you guys,
Happy Thanksgiving Thursday. Hey, I've got a great guests Christian Grace.
Now you know him from his amazing Instagram and you
know him from his podcast with Vicky My friend, My
Soul name my podcast?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Who came up with the name of that podcast?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You want to know who came up with it? Was
my best friend Tricia. She has actually her name is
Tricia Dawson. I still call her Tricia Young because that's
what her name was when I met her in college,
her maiden name. But yeah, she's one of my best friends,
and she's actually helped us make a few decisions regarding
the podcast. She gave suggestions for some of our Bravo
converts that ended up being like the third best seller
(00:57):
that we had.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, she helped.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
She sent a list of podcast names whenever Vicky and
I decided to do this, And as soon as I
read this one out to Vicky, she was like, boom, stop,
that's it. I was like, okay, cool. So it's kind
of special that she was involved in that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You know, I bought the Bravo con bag that says
Do you work? Do you work? Do you work?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Hey? Well that that was our number one seller.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That's what I bought.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, And do you know I thought that was going
to be one that people didn't care about for some reason.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
No, it's hilarious. It's hilarious. It's hilarious because that's Vicky's
whole thing. Do you work?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I have to tell you that Vicky went on Carlos
King's podcast a few weeks ago to talk about the
Windy Ocepho insurance scam, and I was like, Wow, Carlos King,
that's genius to have Vicky come on to talk about
an insurance scam, because who would know besides the Queen
of insurance, you know, Oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And she obviously, of course has strong and I has
always had strong feelings about I think putting all your
eggs in the Housewives basket and the Bravo basket, in
the reality television basket honestly and really has a hard
time I think not getting frustrated with people that you know,
(02:09):
use this as kind of something to lean on rather
than as like a launching pad to do even more
and make it even into even more. And also too,
I mean if you think about it, it is. It
is unfortunate and disappointing. Like there are people who, given
an opportunity like this, be it financial or you know,
whether they're business wise whatever, would give anything for it.
(02:29):
And it's just so disappointing to know that even some
of the people that we love on these shows, given
the opportunity, really just went about it all the wrong,
wrong way.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
You know, it is so upsetting. Okay, now I have
a question for you. Now you I'm looking at you,
but you're looking at your computer. So I have a question.
Do you have two cameras?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
My webcam has mounted back there?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, okay, all right, just making sure because I was like,
it's like when you're looking somebody with a wonky I
and you're like, are you looking at me? Are you
looking over there?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I don't know everything, Okay, I can see it all.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, Okay, back to Vicky. So so let's talk about
the let's talk about the Esephos and the whole money
sealing of it all. So it did come out this
week or last week? I mean what is time? We
were both at Bravo conso I don't know where I am.
I don't know what day is time zone. I don't know.
(03:21):
But she came out and said that the report that
they had used all these aliases for these credit cards
was not true. So where did that information come from?
If it's not true?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
And I mean, listen, I have no expertise insight. I
barely remember my old social Security number, Okay, right, And
I'm being honest. I forty names, and I don't know
if they put like a I don't know if they
used one name like multiple times, you know, and I
don't know. But to deny that, my whole thing is
(03:58):
like you you have a you better have like a
huge victory ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Because they too deny something like that is like.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
You are getting ready to literally you're going to have
the ability to take down an entire legal system that
has wrongfully come for you.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And if that is the case, then I hope that
by all means do it. It's it's not like.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
A like it's not like the reports were old. They
even had like two accounts where they tried this or
something like this like forty and I can't remember was
it exactly forty or over forty.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Over forty, So I don't know, Yeah, forty one, I
don't know you know.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And I know that they've said things too, like there
was something floating out there and I don't know if
this was actually, you know, legitimately from a statement of
theirs or not, but there was something about using different
names because they were public you know, public figures and
things like that, and so okay, but the financial part
(04:54):
of it, the forty different names and stuff like even
if those were what LLCs, even if those were businesses,
even if.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Those were I don't I don't know even.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
If to me, that's just a big, big accusation to
make from these you know, financial government officials who have
spent time researching this and investigating this. And this is
what got me when I when all this started and
the police report finally came with it came out in
the first I did, and I was reading it because
(05:22):
it was they were onto them before Whitney and Eddie
had even an inkling of a clue, and they were
onto them from the night that they reported it, the
night they called on, the cops were in the house,
and before I think within a few minutes, the cops
are like, well this is a bogus.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
They're nobody broke into this house.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, if you read it, it was like, I'm sorry,
but like I would have never thought about it the
way that they did.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
They said that it made it look like the the
entry was on the second floor, yet there was there
was nothing there like a ladder or anything. So if
they'd used something to get up there, that meant that
they took it with them. If I remember correctly, I
believe the glass was broken in the wrong way, which.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Shows that, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
But the thing is, so imagine this, like this is
how I look at it. Imagine this is all happening
in that moment Wendy and Eddie, you know, they have
to make that call, Oh my gosh, our home was,
you know, burglarized, and then the cops come, and I
imagine they're.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
They're there, the kids are there.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
You know, they're you're they're acting at this point, they're
faking it okay, and they have to it. I'm I'm
assuming they have to at some point or some level
believe that the cops are eating.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It up, because it was in the days. The next
day or a couple of days after that.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Is when all the insurance claims started to be filed,
so as they they clearly they thought that they had
made they had done a good job, but the cops
were like already thinking this is BS so can you
imagine And then let's look at the cops. They're thinking,
oh my god, these people faked this burglary. And then
in the next couple of days, then they start seeing
(06:59):
all these insurance claim starting to be right, and then
they start finding the emails about wanting to make sure
that they hit the maximum.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Stuff so much stupid. It's just so it's.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I don't know, I hope for everything that's out there
that that that this is wrong and that they get
out of this.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I genuinely do. I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's just the but when you look at the details
and like the events of that night and the way
that the cops were onto them from the moment that
they eat before they even filed the insurance stuff, which
is why they're technically going to jail or might go
to jail, you know, Like, I don't know, it's just
it's again, it's just very unfortunate. And I still stand
by the fact that I think last people in the
(07:37):
entire Brava roster, I would have ever I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I just would have never ever thought.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I don't know, well, yeah. I mean she's she's built
her whole brand on all her degrees and how smart
she is and stuff and she is and all that's legit.
And Eddie is a legit lawyer who I believe went
to the mighty league school so he didn't like get
his law degree from the University of Phoenix. Like these
people are you know.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
The Shane Simpsons school law as I call it.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean, these they're they're you know, legit, very
very very smart people. And for him as a lawyer
to put that in an email, to say, hey, go
in the closet, see if you can dig up a
you say, Laurent pair of socks from nineteen ninety two,
I mean, you know, like what else can you find
in there? It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I mean that too also, And can I be honest,
I think that even if I'm out here knowing that,
I'm like scheming a little bit. I'm like, well, let's
not be too obvious, like they maxed out everything.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm like, you know, let's maybe you know, and oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And then again when you look at it, it's some
of the things that they claimed were luxury items they'd
returned years ago.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I know that they still had the receipts.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, yeah, who even thinks to I don't even know,
you know, it's just mind boggling, it really is.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I think what Vicky said was their main mistake was
was initially filing it with three different insurance companies. So
she was like, She's like, the insurance companies will double
check each other to make sure there hasn't already been
a claimed for this. So that's the first mistake. And
again he's a very educated lawyer, so he has to
know these things, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I know they were taking risk and making they were
they were taking chances at some point for yeah, yeah,
and they decided to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And the police report to saying that the cops tried
to recreate how the burglars could have gotten in by
getting up on the second floor roof, which there was
no ladder, get on the second floor roof, and then
crawl into that window. And they said, you know, when
we did it, we tracked roof dust all over that bathroom,
but oh yeah, that bathroom. There was no roof dust
(09:39):
in the bathroom. And I was like, Wow, maybe let
this be.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
A lesson out there ever needs to fake a burglar.
You got it's got details have to be involved. Okay, yeah,
it's a detailed process. You got to have the roof dust,
the glass has got to be broken the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We got to have a ladder left up out there.
I mean yeah. Also too, they live in a.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think what seems to be like a big neighborho
hood and they oh my god. And I think it
was when she was on Gibson's podcast Give And I.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Believe this was, if I remember quickly.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I think it was during production or between production and
the season or something, because we hadn't heard about the
anything yet and he had mentioned he asked her.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
About the burglary because honestly it was.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It was reported, and I remember she was She said
something about, like, yeah, and in our neighborhood, it was
the first like reported burglary in like thirty years or
like whatever. I was like, girl, like, because I was like,
you're just told on yourself right there, Like why would you?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Because she has to know that that's a lie obviously.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
But my whole thing is, again, we're making decisions here,
so like it is not a smart decision to me
that I'm gonna be like it was the first robbery
in thirty years Like that to me is going to
be a suspicious fact, you know what I'm saying. So
I'm not even going to bring that up.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But like, we don't even know where this isighborhood is
because there's never been a break in in this neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You got a robbery ware, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, but somebody tweeted that they quoted that little clip
of the interview.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
They said, man, she was lying her ass off.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, you see what it gives this like, gosh, you
know it gives him. Of course we know him and
he's such a sweet guy. And he's like, gosh, that
had to have been so traumatic for you, and I'm
so sorry, and he's trying to iss She was like,
it was awful for me. Children. I'm like, and your
children had to think that you were. They're like, listen,
if my house is burglarized when I was little, I
would be Terrib'd be sleeping with knives under my bed.
(11:32):
I would be so scared. So the kids are probably scared.
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
My biggest fear to this day, I'm the thirty three
year old man, My biggest fear to this day is
someone breaking in my house because I watched the Elizabeth
Smart Story on Lifetime.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
When I and when they remember when Yeah and whatever
broke into.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Her house, they shared, I will never forget the trailer
for that movie on Lifetime. It shows a clip of
him coming around the corner of the stairs with the flashlight. Traumatizing, horrifying,
and I've never gotten over that. So even, Okay, I
have a thing that just popped in my head too,
because Wendy said she's she's ready to share her side
of the story.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Things like that.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And let's look at the deret situation, which is people
have been screaming from the rooftops for years that they
think that reason Yeah, okay, yes, yes. Is there a
world where she could have been the derete in this
situation where she received.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
She received the email from Eddie. Nope, she received the
email from Eddie, So no, she knew what.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Could she think?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
That maybe they were just using their insurance claims, but
that the Berkeley was real.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Uh, she could have, but she was wearing some of
the items after they were stolen. So I love that
you're trying to I'm trying that you're trying to help Wendy.
But she and Eddie were using their brains for bad
and not good. Yeah, very upsetting. Now did you go
(13:02):
to the I did? I think you probably didn't because
you were working a lot. But I didn't go to
the panel where Krrie Hugor came out.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh, I wish I'd give it anything.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I heard that the I think it was the Potomac
panel was the best, the best of the weekend.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I didn't make it to any panels this weekend. That's how.
That's how busy I was. Yeah, yeah, I was like,
where do you know?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I didn't even My favorite thing at brabo Con every
year is the museum.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I didn't even know there was a museum this year.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
When you walked in, it was to the left and
you had to And I didn't like it over there
because people didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I felt like it was hidden.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, it was hidden, and there should have been a
sign like museum here. Because they had Gretchen's reunion dress
that she just wore that we just saw see.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Like that did that to me? Is like the museum.
I could spend days in there. I love shit like that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
It was and we had educated roll.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
It was so good.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, do they have did they have Kyle's shirt from
like season one, the dinner scene, the dinner party from Hell.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I don't think so, because they did. I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Okay, she posted a couple of weeks ago, like a
month or two ago, and she said, anyone recognized this shirt?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It was a mirror picture.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And then the next slide was like a screenshot of
her for I think it was the dinner party from Hell.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And I responded and I said, is it going to
Bravo Kahn?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
And I thought she said she winked or something like that,
So I thought that she was going to have something there.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm just now remembering. But who knows.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Maybe they maybe they take a lot of things in
for consideration and can only fit so many so much.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
It also could have been further back, because again we
just kind of walked through the first little bit of it.
It was kind of crowded and it was I was like,
I didn't I didn't like how it was set up
because last year they had it set up and it
was more moody and dark and you could really walk
through and this was just out and open and you
kind of like, what am I looking at? And oh,
(14:53):
I did see the scroll I did see, of course
Tarras breasting plant.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You know, those pants well traveled than I am. They've
been all over the country outside of.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Tam yeh yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, outside of Tamra's body.
They've been all over. And I just saw Gretchen's dress
that she just wore at this reunion, that hot pink
with like that corset, and I was like, and the
dress is like this big, and You're like, how can
a human fit in?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yes, I look, I've said in person, it's been granted,
had been years.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I forgot how tiny she is. Like, she's like very
I was like, okay, yes, girl, yeah, drop the workout routine.
My god. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Now. I did see you and Vicky at Bravo kN
You were in the booth and I spotted you, and
people were of course freaking out because Vicky was carrying
her oranges, and and I was like, I got to
get in there, like I got to get a picture
with Vicky. And you were so nice. You were like okay.
I told them like, I've got one person, and Vicky
looked and I think all the housewives when you meet them,
(15:56):
unless you're in a Bravo palooza and you have a
chance to really like chat. They all seem stunned. Like
I got a picture with Rachel Zoe and she seems stunned.
Every time you go to somebody, like I went up
to Chara stunned. Everybody seems stunned. And I'm like, this
is what you're here for. It's like day three, and
they every time you approach them, even if it's a
(16:17):
step in a reat, they seem stunned.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, Like I think it's just like it's I think
for as much as it's like sensory overload, I think.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
For yes, it's very much that for them.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And like, I'll be totally honest, and this is this
sounds I feel like I hate even like when I've
told people of this before, I'm like, I promise this
is not like an asshole thing, but this is the
only thing I have to relate it to.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Okay, all right, And that is so I didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Get to go to the first Bravocon, the little tiny one, right,
the first one I didn't either was was Javits or
whatever they call it. Me too, okay, had I it
was my life mission to get there that year, right,
and I just I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Go that's where I met you. By the way, that's
where I met you in New York jobs because I
saw you and somebody goes, that's Christian Grace. Sound was like, ah,
I love him, and I ran up and then yeah,
and a friendship was born there you go.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yep, I remember, and I just I don't know if
it was like you know, all the anxiety and like
intention and like it just like focused.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I had on getting there, but like.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
When I finally got there, you know, even I walked
in with a friend. He lived in New York, so
we met. He came for he only went one day,
and he met me there for the first day. And
if I walked in and if you met someone asked
me for a photo. They followed me on Instagram, and
I was like, oh wow, cool, you know right of
course took it mate.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I was like, that just made my day. Let's keep going.
And it happened again, and then it happened again, and
then it happened again.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And for me, I'm like, oh my god, like I
wanted you know, this is amazing. This is like just
to know that, like I had no idea it was
going to be coming face to face with this many
people that I've never you know that I recognized, but
we've never met things like that, right, And then within
an hour, I had a fucking panic attack, like full fled.
(18:05):
And again, I don't know if it was all just
leading up to that, and it was you know that
I finally got there.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It's the build up, yes, but also there was just.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
An energy in that building that trip, like I hated
Bravo com being there in Vegas is ten times better
in my opinion. But I had to go outside and
my grown ass called my mom crying and I was like,
I'm having I'm having a panic attack. And she goes
and I'm like, I'm told her about all these people
that I was like it was so cool, and she goes,
isn't this everything you've ever wanted?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I said, yes, I'm so happy.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I don't know why I'm having a panic attack.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
But I'm just saying all that to say, if little
old me walk in there and within and my friend,
oh my god, my friend who was there when I
started having a panic attack, I was like, Robbie, what's wrong?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
What's wrong? Like why do I feel like this? You know?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And he goes, Christian. I lost count at forty two.
And so if that was me, little old me, can
you imagine what these these people go through in a
seventy full seventy two hours from I'm talking it's from
the time they get to the airport in their respective cities.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And it's non non stop. And so I can't commend
them enough. And like, I know that some people maybe
don't have the best experiences with with some but I'm like,
we have to give them grace because also to y'all again,
little on me just there following Vicky along here and
there no sleep, yeah, zero sleep, Like it is the
(19:28):
most exhausting, like weekend, and they're not Yes, they get paid,
but it's not necessarily a ton of money in their regards,
and like they have to pay for their outfits and
all that stuff, and it's just it's definitely a labor
of love for them. And so yeah, when you said
that they look stunned, I think that it's just I
look back to you know, I think at some point
we all hit deer in headlights at some point because
(19:50):
it's just it's overwhelming and I can't imagine what it
must be for them. And also they're hearing repent mention,
them hearing the same thing over and over.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yes, yes, like.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Even I'm like it, whoop it up? Yes, thank god,
I can't whoop it up no more.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
That is so funny. And we're people asking Vicky to like,
because I didn't think to do this. Lots of people
were they had their little microphones and they were getting
the Ravo loves to say things. Of course, I'm like, okay,
that's what I'm gonna do two years now. I'm gonna
bring my little microphone and some content. But I was
I was just like, can I get a quick picture?
And that's it. But then when people like there's a
(20:26):
huge line and somebody full of approaches with a microphone
and they're like, okay, so da da da da, now
say whoop it up? Now say this like they're like
a trained monkey, and you're like, okay, there's four hundred
people in this line. You're doing a full five min.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I want to know what you're doing with that audio,
because if you're supplicing it, like what are we.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Doing radio hits here?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You know?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yes, crazy, yeah, I mean it's it is kind of
you know, I mean I think that there there was
even an article about like a bigger creator an influencer present.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah yeah article, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, yes, yes, And.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Look, I mean I'm so grateful because it's through being
a creator is how I was even connected to Vicky,
you know, And I think that that shows the power
of creating content. It literally is to connect and could
build community.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
However, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
When you say things like you know they're using the
meat and Greek times for stuff like that, or the
booth times for stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know, I get it.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I'm like, do you get your content, you know, like
fuel and feed and nurture the community that you built. Absolutely,
But it also I'm in, like, you know, the big
Bravo kon Facebook group with Lisa and yeah, so Bravo
kon Queen AA and yes, and just seeing the number
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of people and this is something that people save and
plan and and look forward to all year, two years long,
and just to see the amount of people that were
like still in line when you know, and they'd wait
an hour, hour and a half to meet someone and
then they'd get cut right cut on. Yeah, And it's
like you got to think if each person before them
(22:09):
what had wrapped up two seconds earlier? Yes, and I
know that it already feels rushed, But again, I command
people for getting their content because as you like, it's
not easy, like it is not easy and it takes
balls to go up, and just like I mean, you
have to know at some point, like I'm I'm probably
doing something that maybe I should have waited to do.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But well, it's like when I when I was like,
I got the opportunity to be Vicky, for example, and
I love Vicky, but I knew that because you had
like snuck me in. I literally said to you and
to like the handle and everything, I go, I'm quick,
I'm quick, I'm quick. And the same thing happened with
Rachel Zoe was we were in the VIP room and
she was there, and we kind of got at the
back of the line and we could tell it was
kind of long, and those VIP things were super short,
(22:50):
and as we were getting closer, people were kind of
like because they kept going like two minutes, and you know,
we were like, oh, oh, I meaning here like thirty minutes. Yeah,
I hardly did any of that, hardly any standing in
line for thirty minutes. If I couldn't get it or
catch them. Then I just to forget it, you know,
I just would go and take a whatever. And you know,
like I'm old, I don't want to stand in that line.
But with Rachel Zoe, I really did, and so almost
(23:13):
like we were like four people away and they go
like one minute. And I looked at one of those
Bravo handler people that you know worked for Caesars or
worked for the event company, not Ravo specifically, and I go,
we are so fast. All we want is a selfishes.
I got you, girl. So they cut the line like
after us because I let them know, like I don't
have a microphone, I'm not setting up a tripod. I'm
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not going to try to have a dim minute conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I got the I got the it's already in focus.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I'm ready to go, and I'm not even gonna hand
my phone. I'm not even handing my phone over. I'm
doing the selfie and keep it pushing. Most of the time.
I didn't like the full body ones anyway, because you
doesn't matter your size, you're going to look horrible next
standing now people who are lambs out and then you're like,
I'm in my little denim dress, like you know, I'm
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trying to be comfortable.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I don't have two hours this morning, and I'm fighting
for my life over here.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I don't have somebody to hold my shoes when I'm
not wearing them, do you know what I mean? Like
I gotta Yeah. So many people walking around just glammed
to the max, like the the people at Brava gone.
I'm like, girl, yeah, I great those shoes tomorrow, I
tell you.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
What again, I don't know how, you know the ladies
do it because I had on fucking sneakers me too.
I was day one Friday night walking in my socks,
sneakers in hand through the Mandolay Bay Casino. At the
moment I got out of the four Seasons and said,
let me not embarrass biggie walking shoeless through here, because
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I'm about I was about to die. Like every step
felt like it like was like beastings, you know. And yes,
all I could think were how did these like these
women who've had to walk around all day?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And I'm like, these are i'm a sneakers their heels.
I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I don't think they can make shoes comfortable enough for
Bravo Kahn. There's zero percent chance that you come out
with like out what at least a little bit of
foot soreness after the weekend, I feel.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I will tell you that, like last year, I think
I just fully warm a hookahs or two years ago,
this year I got some cute And this is not
an ad dealer of brand, guys, I'm just telling you
I got these really cute fit flop Seekers. There were
gold they were golden, shiny, super cute, and they were
the fit Flop brand, and which I've never bought a
pair of fit flops in my life. But they were
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gold Seekers and they were so cute and comfortable the
whole day. Okay, all right, we talked about Wendy. Let's
talk about Candy's divorce. Okay. How smart was she to
drop it like three days after Bravo.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Con Okay, So I called this because there were there
were rumors that it was coming. And then like someone
on Twitter said that she dropped her name, she'd removed
Tucker from it was Candy Burry's Tucker on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
We can't do that, people. The sloths are out there,
they'll figure that shit out in four seconds.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well, and it's like so the moment I saw that,
That's when I first even because look, we see shit
like this all the time, and like, and it's not
even people making up shit all the time. I think
it's just Ravo is obviously very full of very very
vigilant people who pay attention to details.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And then I.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Started seeing you know, and they were like yes, and
she didn't have her ring on, and so then again
I'm back. Then I started thinking about to Bravocon. I'm like, Okay,
this haze of busyness, and then I'm like, Todd wasn't there, right,
And so then I'm like it was the big award.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And then I'm like and Candy was in and out
like next to next to no.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Press, right, And then so that's when I was like,
oh they were, And then I thought, it's Riley's first
Ravocon next gen is a huge thing.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Seems like Candy would be there to support Riley, but she.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Also knew if it broke before that, that's all Riley
was going to get questioned about all week. So the
moment that I saw that she dropped took her. I
think this was like two so this was Monday. I
think it was Monday, yes, And I said, Okay, well
it now makes sense, I said, because they were waiting
to get past Bravokon. That was literally her goal was
to get past Bravocon to not have to do press
at Bravo Con.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
She was, she had a very she came, she accepted
her award.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Quite frankly, I think had they had the divorce maybe
been brewing earlier, she probably would have been like, y'all
got a was through the award next year, you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, But all that to say as well,
like kudos to Candy because you would have never ever
known she came out there and gave a very like
moving speech. She had the audience crying, and you know,
reality team is often like a very like minimized like
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genre and not really taken seriously. But at the end
of the day, I think if it does anything, it
is a community builder be it, you know, just as
viewers are on social media. And I think that Candy
really really highlighted that in her speech, just the community
that's amongst Bravo talent in general, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Generally they mostly they like each other.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, and told Vicky, I'm like, it's like I said,
it's you're really, I said, you're in a unique sisterhood.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I've told her.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I'm like you, you are in a group of a
couple hundred women, I said, are the only people in
the entire world that know what it feels like to
live this, you know, And I said, and even more
to make it even more unique, I said, you were
the first fucking one.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You know, there's one and there's just probably ten or
so that would know how Vicky feels and that they
did it for so long and from when it started
to how big it is now. There's not you know,
like Kyle, maybe you know, there are just a few
that will know could get Vicki's perspective, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Especially even more like because Vicky's one of the women,
you know, like Kyle had had you know, experience in
TV on cameras, on sets and things like this. You know,
you look at you know, like your Ramona's your Jills,
like you're you know, I mean you're Charae Like I
mean Chara you know that like Bob was like a
football guy, but like these were people that were just
(28:47):
living their lives and the next thing, you know, they
have a production crew in their home every day and
that's the new norm, you know, and then on top
of that, they're kind of giving birth to a new
cultural phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Really, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It is crazy to think about how it all just
came about, and very unintentionally on their behalf, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, oh yeah, totally. Okay, what is the late what's
the latest on the Megan King thing? Because you know,
we've heard all the swirling arounds that a school nurse
I had to report her because she was The report
is allegedly that she was asking the school nurse to
give one of her children riddle in that was not
prescribed it and the school nurse of course has to
(29:28):
report that to authorities, and that's and that's why she
got all three of her kids taken away.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
See now, this whole time here, I thought Jim was
written all over this. I was like, Jim is up
to know?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You know, I really did, Like I'm an a Megan fan,
but I was like, Jim is I thought it was
always thought he was an asshole.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So I was just like, this is he's behind this somehow?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But yeah, a school nurse reported her, my understanding to
CPS because you know, like a school worker, just like
a therapyst is like a you have to.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Report things, I mean legally required required.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So I don't know if another child had the prescription
and she said just give it to both of them.
I don't know if there was no prescription, or if
Jim had come in and said, like, I don't want
my child to take this, but she said yes, and
they hadn't locked it out legally, you know, because one
parent can want something that the other one doesn't. I
don't know what happened there, but I've never been a
(30:25):
fan or not a fan of Megan King Edmund's detective Agency,
but you know, I think that's awful, and I hope
that whatever it is, they work it out really quickly,
because it's also traumatic for the children to be now
living full time with Jim and his new wife when
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they were living mostly with Megan. I think it's a
I mean, of.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Course, and like kids know, if they don't have to
hear conversations the energy, you know, I mean, even just
if the kid was in the nurse's office, whatever that happened,
and then so I had to step out and late,
let me make a call and check like they they're
they're obviously they're probably getting questioned. The kids have to
get questioned in something like this, so they know something
(31:10):
is changing.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Something is in the air, is off, you know. And
I look, I don't I don't wish that on anyone obviously,
so I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I think it's uh, I hate it, I will say too.
You know, I'm no Kelly.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm not really a Kelly DoD fan. I'm not a
Megan fan.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
But back to the sisterhood that we were talking about,
you know, it was nice to see. We all know Kelly,
she loves to she can lay anybody out with her words.
She will, and she'll do it with ease. But to
immediately jump to to Megan's defense, and I mean they've
had they've had harsh moments in the past too, you know,
but to immediately publicly jump to her defense, not only
(31:52):
saying that this was a like messed up situation, but
to just you know, defend her as a mother, and
to say that, like, you know, her kids are better
with off, you.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Know, having her in their life.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
And I mean I think that again, back to community
and sisterhood like it is there. It's always good to
be able to support someone, you know, regardless of yeah,
you pissed me off before, bitch, you know, but.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Like, yeah, it's nice to see you know, Oh my god, Christian,
I would if they brought Kelly Died back. I do
think that would be my line in the sand of
I can't watch it, you know, So you let Vicky know.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Like Vicky and her are they're close, and you know,
Kelly and I we've we've talked.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
She's she's she's so problematic.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
She it's honestly to me, it's it's unfortunate. And I've
said before Kelly dog could have owned Bravo. She could
have that. She was so she's so funny, and she's.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
She's so good on TV.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
But god, she's out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It goes it like we didn't go left, we went
left into we wrote out into the sunset, Lightning speed Baby,
And you know I've said that before. You know, I'm
just it's it's just unfortunate that really really gets in
her own way, you know. And I but also too,
(33:19):
like it's unfortunate that she does feeling the need to
say the things she does, you know, I'm like.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
That's a nice way to say it. Yeah, Okay, Now
speaking of people that I think Andy hates I think
he hates Kelly Dodd Ginshaw. He really does seem to
hate her. Whenever anybody asked him, he'll be like, I'm good,
or they'll say something you know some usually he'll say no,
I always leave the door open, like the house I was.
Never get fired.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Never say never, say never.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And you know, even you know, talking about a Bravocon
talking about Nini who literally followed a lawsuit and called
him a racist, He's like, you know, maybe you know, yes.
But with Ginshaw, he has never wavered. He has never
He's always like, we're good, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
When he said to wat drop his life to a
fan that time, He's like, I don't ever want to
see her again. I'm like, what did she do to
y'all behind the scenes that none of us know about?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Like I think. I think because her particular crimes target
old people, and Andy himself has been the target of
a scam where they called from the bank and they
ended up getting pulling money out of his account and stuff,
And because his parents too have been the target of
people trying to scam them, as of my parents, and
(34:32):
and has my mother in law had one of these
people call and try to scam and not necessarily Jinshaw's organization,
but it's all adjacent, right, It's all, let's target people
that don't know and get their money, and now you
have their credit card, you can charge it. And I
think for Andy, I don't know if shit happened behind
the scenes to make him hate her, or if it
(34:54):
really is the personal nature of her crime that he's like,
uh uh, you know, what she did was so awful,
but because you think, like what Teresa did, she just
I mean it was terrible. She signed some documents, you know,
for stuff that wasn't hers, but it wasn't like she's
purposely going after old people and trying to like take all.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
This strategizing an years long plan to absolutely like bankrupt
people and knowing knowingly leave them with.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Nothing, knowingly with nothing and not care.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
And I think another thing now that we're talking about
it is maybe a thing for Andy is like, you know,
none of us maybe know what it feels like to
be lied to your face about stuff like that. And
I mean to the last fucking second, literally the last second, yes, yes,
And so I mean both I think as a human
and maybe boss and production involved, it's like all this
(35:45):
stuff is invested in you telling your story and us
sharing it and you literally it's almost like you used
us to the last second and then do what.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there there'll be no. I don't
think there'll be a Karen Huger type sit down Alu
Adelas type, you know, with a beautiful background. And I
don't think there'll be a sit down with Jinshaw to
have her, you know, because she was the head of
that snake. You know, she was the head of that
whole organization and it was I don't know, it was
like fifteen years in the making or something.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
She I mean, I remember being like impressed is the
wrong word because it's not like yeah, but I remember
being like damn.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Like criminal mastermind?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Who would know?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
And I remember that she had like like offshore accounts
and like places that I hadn't even like heard of
or something.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I was like, girl, like she is a like okay,
I want like a movie on this ship, like because yeah,
how did she how did she like was it just
one day that she was like I have an idea,
like how does that like.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
All these like LLC's in state that had certain laws
that were in her that were in her favor. It'd
be like, oh, she's got this LLC in Wisconsin. You're like, huh,
But it's because that law works better if you have
to quickly transfer your money to Guam. You're like, huh
gwom you know. It was so intricate, and then people
(37:04):
it too. Yeah, and then she had like twenty people
go down that were under her and then still never
admit any fault until that day in court where she
had to admit she purposely defrauded people.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, so I think her tell her like, you have
no choice, but or was she just really tried to
the last second.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I don't I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But here's the thing. When you do that and what
we've seen it, you know from all the cases that
you cover, you know that we cover on like dateline
and all these documentaries. When you do that and you
waste the court's time, and you don't just plead guilty
and take whatever they're going to give you, or plead
it to lesser time, whatever you the longer you waste
the court's time and then go in there and go
(37:42):
just kidding, I was lying all those other six times
we met. Then they're like, well, then now you're getting
but apparently she was so great in prison, who.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Are we going to be judging?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Maybe we should follow the Jinshaw method because she's getting out.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
She do you.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
She literally was sentenced to like seventy two months, eight
months something like that, she served half. Like I'm all like,
I'm you know, getting out early good behavior.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I'm all for it.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
And obviously that's not that's not a new idea or something.
I've never heard of someone getting that much time off
like now.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
People said. People said because her because her sentence was federal,
that she had to serve exactly half no matter what,
and then half in a day or something like that.
There's some sort of rule. And there's another thing, because
you're not cover all these love after lock Up and
all these shows, there's all these rules like if it's
this kind of crime, you have to serve. If your
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sentence is over one hundred days, you have to serve
ninety nine and then you can whatever. And there's all
these different rules. So with Jenshaw, I think because she
got in there and was like, give me every single
thing in here I could do to get points to
take time off, she did this. She got two months off.
She did this, she got two months off. She apparently
never got into a prison fight. She you know, was
(38:58):
teaching people and all these things. So hey, listen, I
wouldn't trust her to babysit my mom, but I wouldn't.
I wouldn't trust her to like help my mom go
get a new cell phone or anything.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I trust maybe instead a child, because they don't have
any money she.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Could take, right, But you know, let's see, maybe she'll
have a redemption arc not on Bravo. I don't think,
because I don't think Andy is ever going to fuck
with her again.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I don't think you will either. But I think obviously
she's probably gonna get a book deal. She's going to
you know, I mean, even in this day and age,
she could you know, if she invests in a good
enough social additional team, she could document her own story
and profit that way and you know, monetize her own content.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
So like, but here's the thing, Christian, in this situation
where she owes all this restitution, Oh yeah, do you
know what I mean? You know, that's sort of like
Teresa used to all her book deal money and stuff
to pay back her restitution. So there's that.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, she might be she can become like a public speaker.
I don't know. I mean as far as like.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
She's gonna have to be, She's gonna have to be
She's going to have to be more likable in order
to be a public speaker.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, she's likable enough to always serve half a sentence.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
So or maybe maybe they were like get her out
of here.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Maybe that was it. They were like, you know what,
we get it, we get it.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We did not feel amazing. Please leave. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
But meanwhile, now in that same prison, you've got Gill
Maxwell and Elizabeth Holmes, and Holmes is like, oh my
friend is leaving, I.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Know, and maybwhile she got she got like eleven twelve years.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, she's in there for a long time. But if
she could just fall into Ginshaw maybe.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Shaw's original sentence, Yeah maybe.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
There were new pictures that came out. I think I
think it was this week or last week. I saw
maybe this page six. Her kids have gone to see her,
and she was in the like you know, the like
the outside area, playing with them, and.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I mean it's like like your heart breaks.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Anytime, yeah before you see that, but with her specifically,
it's just like I remember, like keeping up with that
whole thing, and like.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Her trial was so fucking long, and and then.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
For her to like got she like I mean, I
don't want to say she got pregnant intentionally, but it's.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Like, girl, A lot of people think she did because
she would look more sympathetic if she had two kids
instead of one or whatever, it.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Was fully pregnant.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Like, so I just and I mean again I don't
want to say it, but also we have to consider
the nature of why we are here, and that is
because you intentionally, you know, manipulated people.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
And so I I just it's it's honestly, it's so
fucked up to even think about the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
You know, Galay Maxwell's in that prison now, oh my god, wow.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
And like minimum secure like what anybody that any prison
that has somebody getting out half early like Jenshaw should
not be fucking housing her.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I know, I know, I know, but I guess I
guess because I guess it's and I don't know, but
in my mind, because it is federal and it is
non violent, that they can loop all the all the
the scammers and the you know, because what Glen Maxwell
did technically non violet. She didn't physically uh, assault anyone.
(42:17):
What she did, she assisted.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
And she she got moved as the files became a
big part of the big conversation.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
So you could do with that what you will. That
now she's in a little bit of an upgrade.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Right right, right, but you know what I mean. I mean, God, literally,
there could just be a whole podcast about well, there
is one. It's called the Bravo Docket.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
There're gonna be a podcast about f C I, Brian,
f CI Bravo. That's literally it's like I want I
wanted to just go spend a day there. I don't
want to spend a day. I'll take that back.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I want to visit for a day.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
You'd have to go to Texas.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, well I love Texas.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
But also, I mean the last I was in Austin,
I was like, oh my god, Ginshaw's like forty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Well, you know podcast movement, the big podcast thing is
going to be at south By Southwest in March. All
of this they go every year. We're like, probably not
going to go to the Austin one. I've never been
to Austin and I was kind of excited. And now
that I know I could go visit Glane and Elizabeth
Holmes right down the road.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
And Ginshaw's old bunk because she won't be there anymore.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
You know that we call our listeners the bunkies because
of love after lock up. When you're in love after
lock if you talk about your bunkie, you know, like
your cellmates your bunkie, and god Ginshaw could be my
bunky Yeah. Uh no. Well, there's lots of other Ravo
news to talk about, but we're not going to have
a chance because you have to go have a meeting
with Vicki. But I will say, I hope that y'all
(43:50):
got Vicki a new orange or you've schlacked that orange
or a plastic one to replace that one, because I
don't wander around that. She was carrying around that swiveled range.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I told her.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
I was like, you cannot let go of that orange
all weekend, by the way, Like I was like, oh,
she didn't.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Oh yeah. I said, it's got to stay right.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Here in your palm, and I'm adamant about finding a
way to preserve it.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
She went to Mexico, so I.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Was like, put it in the fridge, put it in
the freezer. I'm talking with the lady on Twitter who like.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Does text it her. I mean, like it's like like
resin art type of thing.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, she said, in order to preserve everyone's telling, in
order to preserve it, it has to be like sliced. So
but she's like, what I can do? So she's like,
I will slice it and kind of piece it back
together and then so like and my I'm envisioning like
a cube like paper weight type of thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
And then so when I'm recording, she could also had
it like behind her.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, or you give it to like the clubhouse or something.
I think that could be cool.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
I think the time is of the essence.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, it is. And I text her the other day.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
I was like, you know, I'm not sure how long
you're gonna be in Mexico, so put that in the freezer.
I'm still figuring this out, and she goes, I promise
it's okay, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
It's any orange will do.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
And I heard the clip she said they're all the same,
and I heard the clip of Grestion going it's not
the same, because I'm like, wait, we have fought tirelessly
for this orange. We will we will put it in
resin rotten or not. Before we frown, it will be.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
It will be the size of a raisin, but we
will do it. Yes, Christian, tell everybody where they can
find you on social media and your podcast too.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yes, follow me on Instagram at Christian gracenow. And then
our podcast is My Friend Soulmate my podcast on Instagram
and we.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Have new episodes every Tuesday. So come check us out. Yeah,
come hang out with me and the og.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Go find the podcast wherever you find your podcast if
you just look up Christian Grace Snow or if you
look up like my friend, or if you look up
my Soulmate, because it is you know, it's a it's
a wordy title.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
It's a wordy title. You can look it up.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
And we're wordy people, you know, we're people of words,
so it's.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Fitting, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Great, great point you guys. If you're listening to this
on Thanksgiving, I have you had a great time. And
remember I have put out calls for terrible Thanksgiving family stories.
I'd love to hear them. Email mer d m me
mp at pinche podcast dot com. We love a terrible
Thanksgiving story, So if you have one, I'll change all
the names. Love to hear it today. Let me know
(46:18):
if you did the cousin walk, if you know you know,
that's where your cousin go off and get stoned and
come back. Okay, everybody, I'll see you next week. Bye,
Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday, you guys,
Happy Thanksgiving Thursday. Hey, I've got a great guests Christian Grace.
Now you know him from his amazing Instagram and you
know him from his podcast with Vicky My friend, My
Soul name my podcast?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hey, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Who came up with the name of that podcast?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You want to know who came up with it? Was
my best friend Tricia. She has actually her name is
Tricia Dawson. I still call her Tricia Young because that's
what her name was when I met her in college,
her maiden name. But yeah, she's one of my best friends,
and she's actually helped us make a few decisions regarding
the podcast. She gave suggestions for some of our Bravo
converts that ended up being like the third best seller
(00:57):
that we had.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, she helped.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
She sent a list of podcast names whenever Vicky and
I decided to do this, And as soon as I
read this one out to Vicky, she was like, boom, stop,
that's it. I was like, okay, cool. So it's kind
of special that she was involved in that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You know, I bought the Bravo con bag that says
Do you work? Do you work? Do you work?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Hey? Well that that was our number one seller.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That's what I bought.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, And do you know I thought that was going
to be one that people didn't care about for some reason.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
No, it's hilarious. It's hilarious. It's hilarious because that's Vicky's
whole thing. Do you work?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I have to tell you that Vicky went on Carlos
King's podcast a few weeks ago to talk about the
Windy Ocepho insurance scam, and I was like, Wow, Carlos King,
that's genius to have Vicky come on to talk about
an insurance scam, because who would know besides the Queen
of insurance, you know, Oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And she obviously, of course has strong and I has
always had strong feelings about I think putting all your
eggs in the Housewives basket and the Bravo basket, in
the reality television basket honestly and really has a hard
time I think not getting frustrated with people that you know,
(02:09):
use this as kind of something to lean on rather
than as like a launching pad to do even more
and make it even into even more. And also too,
I mean if you think about it, it is. It
is unfortunate and disappointing. Like there are people who, given
an opportunity like this, be it financial or you know,
whether they're business wise whatever, would give anything for it.
(02:29):
And it's just so disappointing to know that even some
of the people that we love on these shows, given
the opportunity, really just went about it all the wrong,
wrong way.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
You know, it is so upsetting. Okay, now I have
a question for you. Now you I'm looking at you,
but you're looking at your computer. So I have a question.
Do you have two cameras?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
My webcam has mounted back there?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, okay, all right, just making sure because I was like,
it's like when you're looking somebody with a wonky I
and you're like, are you looking at me? Are you
looking over there?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I don't know everything, Okay, I can see it all.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, Okay, back to Vicky. So so let's talk about
the let's talk about the Esephos and the whole money
sealing of it all. So it did come out this
week or last week? I mean what is time? We
were both at Bravo conso I don't know where I am.
I don't know what day is time zone. I don't know.
(03:21):
But she came out and said that the report that
they had used all these aliases for these credit cards
was not true. So where did that information come from?
If it's not true?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
And I mean, listen, I have no expertise insight. I
barely remember my old social Security number, Okay, right, And
I'm being honest. I forty names, and I don't know
if they put like a I don't know if they
used one name like multiple times, you know, and I
don't know. But to deny that, my whole thing is
(03:58):
like you you have a you better have like a
huge victory ahead of you.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Because they too deny something like that is like.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
You are getting ready to literally you're going to have
the ability to take down an entire legal system that
has wrongfully come for you.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And if that is the case, then I hope that
by all means do it. It's it's not like.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
A like it's not like the reports were old. They
even had like two accounts where they tried this or
something like this like forty and I can't remember was
it exactly forty or over forty.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Over forty, So I don't know, Yeah, forty one, I
don't know you know.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And I know that they've said things too, like there
was something floating out there and I don't know if
this was actually, you know, legitimately from a statement of
theirs or not, but there was something about using different
names because they were public you know, public figures and
things like that, and so okay, but the financial part
(04:54):
of it, the forty different names and stuff like even
if those were what LLCs, even if those were businesses,
even if.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Those were I don't I don't know even.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
If to me, that's just a big, big accusation to
make from these you know, financial government officials who have
spent time researching this and investigating this. And this is
what got me when I when all this started and
the police report finally came with it came out in
the first I did, and I was reading it because
(05:22):
it was they were onto them before Whitney and Eddie
had even an inkling of a clue, and they were
onto them from the night that they reported it, the
night they called on, the cops were in the house,
and before I think within a few minutes, the cops
are like, well this is a bogus.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
They're nobody broke into this house.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well, if you read it, it was like, I'm sorry,
but like I would have never thought about it the
way that they did.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
They said that it made it look like the the
entry was on the second floor, yet there was there
was nothing there like a ladder or anything. So if
they'd used something to get up there, that meant that
they took it with them. If I remember correctly, I
believe the glass was broken in the wrong way, which.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Shows that, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
But the thing is, so imagine this, like this is
how I look at it. Imagine this is all happening
in that moment Wendy and Eddie, you know, they have
to make that call, Oh my gosh, our home was,
you know, burglarized, and then the cops come, and I
imagine they're.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
They're there, the kids are there.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
You know, they're you're they're acting at this point, they're
faking it okay, and they have to it. I'm I'm
assuming they have to at some point or some level
believe that the cops are eating.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It up, because it was in the days. The next
day or a couple of days after that.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Is when all the insurance claims started to be filed,
so as they they clearly they thought that they had
made they had done a good job, but the cops
were like already thinking this is BS so can you
imagine And then let's look at the cops. They're thinking,
oh my god, these people faked this burglary. And then
in the next couple of days, then they start seeing
(06:59):
all these insurance claim starting to be right, and then
they start finding the emails about wanting to make sure
that they hit the maximum.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Stuff so much stupid. It's just so it's.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I don't know, I hope for everything that's out there
that that that this is wrong and that they get
out of this.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I genuinely do. I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's just the but when you look at the details
and like the events of that night and the way
that the cops were onto them from the moment that
they eat before they even filed the insurance stuff, which
is why they're technically going to jail or might go
to jail, you know, Like, I don't know, it's just
it's again, it's just very unfortunate. And I still stand
by the fact that I think last people in the
(07:37):
entire Brava roster, I would have ever I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I just would have never ever thought.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I don't know, well, yeah. I mean she's she's built
her whole brand on all her degrees and how smart
she is and stuff and she is and all that's legit.
And Eddie is a legit lawyer who I believe went
to the mighty league school so he didn't like get
his law degree from the University of Phoenix. Like these
people are you know.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
The Shane Simpsons school law as I call it.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, I mean, these they're they're you know, legit, very
very very smart people. And for him as a lawyer
to put that in an email, to say, hey, go
in the closet, see if you can dig up a
you say, Laurent pair of socks from nineteen ninety two,
I mean, you know, like what else can you find
in there? It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I mean that too also, And can I be honest,
I think that even if I'm out here knowing that,
I'm like scheming a little bit. I'm like, well, let's
not be too obvious, like they maxed out everything.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm like, you know, let's maybe you know, and oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And then again when you look at it, it's some
of the things that they claimed were luxury items they'd
returned years ago.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I know that they still had the receipts.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, yeah, who even thinks to I don't even know,
you know, it's just mind boggling, it really is.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I think what Vicky said was their main mistake was
was initially filing it with three different insurance companies. So
she was like, She's like, the insurance companies will double
check each other to make sure there hasn't already been
a claimed for this. So that's the first mistake. And
again he's a very educated lawyer, so he has to
know these things, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I know they were taking risk and making they were
they were taking chances at some point for yeah, yeah,
and they decided to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And the police report to saying that the cops tried
to recreate how the burglars could have gotten in by
getting up on the second floor roof, which there was
no ladder, get on the second floor roof, and then
crawl into that window. And they said, you know, when
we did it, we tracked roof dust all over that bathroom,
but oh yeah, that bathroom. There was no roof dust
(09:39):
in the bathroom. And I was like, Wow, maybe let
this be.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
A lesson out there ever needs to fake a burglar.
You got it's got details have to be involved. Okay, yeah,
it's a detailed process. You got to have the roof dust,
the glass has got to be broken the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We got to have a ladder left up out there.
I mean yeah. Also too, they live in a.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think what seems to be like a big neighborho
hood and they oh my god. And I think it
was when she was on Gibson's podcast Give And I.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Believe this was, if I remember quickly.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I think it was during production or between production and
the season or something, because we hadn't heard about the
anything yet and he had mentioned he asked her.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
About the burglary because honestly it was.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It was reported, and I remember she was She said
something about, like, yeah, and in our neighborhood, it was
the first like reported burglary in like thirty years or
like whatever. I was like, girl, like, because I was like,
you're just told on yourself right there, Like why would you?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Because she has to know that that's a lie obviously.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
But my whole thing is, again, we're making decisions here,
so like it is not a smart decision to me
that I'm gonna be like it was the first robbery
in thirty years Like that to me is going to
be a suspicious fact, you know what I'm saying. So
I'm not even going to bring that up.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But like, we don't even know where this isighborhood is
because there's never been a break in in this neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You got a robbery ware, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, but somebody tweeted that they quoted that little clip
of the interview.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
They said, man, she was lying her ass off.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, you see what it gives this like, gosh, you
know it gives him. Of course we know him and
he's such a sweet guy. And he's like, gosh, that
had to have been so traumatic for you, and I'm
so sorry, and he's trying to iss She was like,
it was awful for me. Children. I'm like, and your
children had to think that you were. They're like, listen,
if my house is burglarized when I was little, I
would be Terrib'd be sleeping with knives under my bed.
(11:32):
I would be so scared. So the kids are probably scared.
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
My biggest fear to this day, I'm the thirty three
year old man, My biggest fear to this day is
someone breaking in my house because I watched the Elizabeth
Smart Story on Lifetime.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
When I and when they remember when Yeah and whatever
broke into.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Her house, they shared, I will never forget the trailer
for that movie on Lifetime. It shows a clip of
him coming around the corner of the stairs with the flashlight. Traumatizing, horrifying,
and I've never gotten over that. So even, Okay, I
have a thing that just popped in my head too,
because Wendy said she's she's ready to share her side
of the story.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Things like that.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And let's look at the deret situation, which is people
have been screaming from the rooftops for years that they
think that reason Yeah, okay, yes, yes. Is there a
world where she could have been the derete in this
situation where she received.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
She received the email from Eddie. Nope, she received the
email from Eddie, So no, she knew what.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Could she think?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
That maybe they were just using their insurance claims, but
that the Berkeley was real.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Uh, she could have, but she was wearing some of
the items after they were stolen. So I love that
you're trying to I'm trying that you're trying to help Wendy.
But she and Eddie were using their brains for bad
and not good. Yeah, very upsetting. Now did you go
(13:02):
to the I did? I think you probably didn't because
you were working a lot. But I didn't go to
the panel where Krrie Hugor came out.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh, I wish I'd give it anything.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I heard that the I think it was the Potomac
panel was the best, the best of the weekend.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I didn't make it to any panels this weekend. That's how.
That's how busy I was. Yeah, yeah, I was like,
where do you know?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I didn't even My favorite thing at brabo Con every
year is the museum.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I didn't even know there was a museum this year.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
When you walked in, it was to the left and
you had to And I didn't like it over there
because people didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I felt like it was hidden.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, it was hidden, and there should have been a
sign like museum here. Because they had Gretchen's reunion dress
that she just wore that we just saw see.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Like that did that to me? Is like the museum.
I could spend days in there. I love shit like that.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
It was and we had educated roll.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
It was so good.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, do they have did they have Kyle's shirt from
like season one, the dinner scene, the dinner party from Hell.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I don't think so, because they did. I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Okay, she posted a couple of weeks ago, like a
month or two ago, and she said, anyone recognized this shirt?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It was a mirror picture.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And then the next slide was like a screenshot of
her for I think it was the dinner party from Hell.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And I responded and I said, is it going to
Bravo Kahn?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
And I thought she said she winked or something like that,
So I thought that she was going to have something there.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm just now remembering. But who knows.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Maybe they maybe they take a lot of things in
for consideration and can only fit so many so much.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
It also could have been further back, because again we
just kind of walked through the first little bit of it.
It was kind of crowded and it was I was like,
I didn't I didn't like how it was set up
because last year they had it set up and it
was more moody and dark and you could really walk
through and this was just out and open and you
kind of like, what am I looking at? And oh,
(14:53):
I did see the scroll I did see, of course
Tarras breasting plant.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You know, those pants well traveled than I am. They've
been all over the country outside of.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Tam yeh yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, outside of Tamra's body.
They've been all over. And I just saw Gretchen's dress
that she just wore at this reunion, that hot pink
with like that corset, and I was like, and the
dress is like this big, and You're like, how can
a human fit in?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yes, I look, I've said in person, it's been granted,
had been years.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I forgot how tiny she is. Like, she's like very
I was like, okay, yes, girl, yeah, drop the workout routine.
My god. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Now. I did see you and Vicky at Bravo kN
You were in the booth and I spotted you, and
people were of course freaking out because Vicky was carrying
her oranges, and and I was like, I got to
get in there, like I got to get a picture
with Vicky. And you were so nice. You were like okay.
I told them like, I've got one person, and Vicky
looked and I think all the housewives when you meet them,
(15:56):
unless you're in a Bravo palooza and you have a
chance to really like chat. They all seem stunned. Like
I got a picture with Rachel Zoe and she seems stunned.
Every time you go to somebody, like I went up
to Chara stunned. Everybody seems stunned. And I'm like, this
is what you're here for. It's like day three, and
they every time you approach them, even if it's a
(16:17):
step in a reat, they seem stunned.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, Like I think it's just like it's I think
for as much as it's like sensory overload, I think.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
For yes, it's very much that for them.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And like, I'll be totally honest, and this is this
sounds I feel like I hate even like when I've
told people of this before, I'm like, I promise this
is not like an asshole thing, but this is the
only thing I have to relate it to.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Okay, all right, And that is so I didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Get to go to the first Bravocon, the little tiny one, right,
the first one I didn't either was was Javits or
whatever they call it. Me too, okay, had I it
was my life mission to get there that year, right,
and I just I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Go that's where I met you. By the way, that's
where I met you in New York jobs because I
saw you and somebody goes, that's Christian Grace. Sound was like, ah,
I love him, and I ran up and then yeah,
and a friendship was born there you go.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yep, I remember, and I just I don't know if
it was like you know, all the anxiety and like
intention and like it just like focused.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I had on getting there, but like.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
When I finally got there, you know, even I walked
in with a friend. He lived in New York, so
we met. He came for he only went one day,
and he met me there for the first day. And
if I walked in and if you met someone asked
me for a photo. They followed me on Instagram, and
I was like, oh wow, cool, you know right of
course took it mate.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I was like, that just made my day. Let's keep going.
And it happened again, and then it happened again, and
then it happened again.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
And for me, I'm like, oh my god, like I
wanted you know, this is amazing. This is like just
to know that, like I had no idea it was
going to be coming face to face with this many
people that I've never you know that I recognized, but
we've never met things like that, right, And then within
an hour, I had a fucking panic attack, like full fled.
(18:05):
And again, I don't know if it was all just
leading up to that, and it was you know that
I finally got there.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It's the build up, yes, but also there was just.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
An energy in that building that trip, like I hated
Bravo com being there in Vegas is ten times better
in my opinion. But I had to go outside and
my grown ass called my mom crying and I was like,
I'm having I'm having a panic attack. And she goes
and I'm like, I'm told her about all these people
that I was like it was so cool, and she goes,
isn't this everything you've ever wanted?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I said, yes, I'm so happy.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
I don't know why I'm having a panic attack.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
But I'm just saying all that to say, if little
old me walk in there and within and my friend,
oh my god, my friend who was there when I
started having a panic attack, I was like, Robbie, what's wrong?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
What's wrong? Like why do I feel like this? You know?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
And he goes, Christian. I lost count at forty two.
And so if that was me, little old me, can
you imagine what these these people go through in a
seventy full seventy two hours from I'm talking it's from
the time they get to the airport in their respective cities.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And it's non non stop. And so I can't commend
them enough. And like, I know that some people maybe
don't have the best experiences with with some but I'm like,
we have to give them grace because also to y'all again,
little on me just there following Vicky along here and
there no sleep, yeah, zero sleep, Like it is the
(19:28):
most exhausting, like weekend, and they're not Yes, they get paid,
but it's not necessarily a ton of money in their regards,
and like they have to pay for their outfits and
all that stuff, and it's just it's definitely a labor
of love for them. And so yeah, when you said
that they look stunned, I think that it's just I
look back to you know, I think at some point
we all hit deer in headlights at some point because
(19:50):
it's just it's overwhelming and I can't imagine what it
must be for them. And also they're hearing repent mention,
them hearing the same thing over and over.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yes, yes, like.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Even I'm like it, whoop it up? Yes, thank god,
I can't whoop it up no more.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
That is so funny. And we're people asking Vicky to like,
because I didn't think to do this. Lots of people
were they had their little microphones and they were getting
the Ravo loves to say things. Of course, I'm like, okay,
that's what I'm gonna do two years now. I'm gonna
bring my little microphone and some content. But I was
I was just like, can I get a quick picture?
And that's it. But then when people like there's a
(20:26):
huge line and somebody full of approaches with a microphone
and they're like, okay, so da da da da, now
say whoop it up? Now say this like they're like
a trained monkey, and you're like, okay, there's four hundred
people in this line. You're doing a full five min.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I want to know what you're doing with that audio,
because if you're supplicing it, like what are we.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Doing radio hits here?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You know?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yes, crazy, yeah, I mean it's it is kind of
you know, I mean I think that there there was
even an article about like a bigger creator an influencer present.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah yeah article, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, yes, yes, And.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Look, I mean I'm so grateful because it's through being
a creator is how I was even connected to Vicky,
you know, And I think that that shows the power
of creating content. It literally is to connect and could
build community.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
However, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
When you say things like you know they're using the
meat and Greek times for stuff like that, or the
booth times for stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know, I get it.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I'm like, do you get your content, you know, like
fuel and feed and nurture the community that you built. Absolutely,
But it also I'm in, like, you know, the big
Bravo kon Facebook group with Lisa and yeah, so Bravo
kon Queen AA and yes, and just seeing the number
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of people and this is something that people save and
plan and and look forward to all year, two years long,
and just to see the amount of people that were
like still in line when you know, and they'd wait
an hour, hour and a half to meet someone and
then they'd get cut right cut on. Yeah, And it's
like you got to think if each person before them
(22:09):
what had wrapped up two seconds earlier? Yes, and I
know that it already feels rushed, But again, I command
people for getting their content because as you like, it's
not easy, like it is not easy and it takes
balls to go up, and just like I mean, you
have to know at some point, like I'm I'm probably
doing something that maybe I should have waited to do.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But well, it's like when I when I was like,
I got the opportunity to be Vicky, for example, and
I love Vicky, but I knew that because you had
like snuck me in. I literally said to you and
to like the handle and everything, I go, I'm quick,
I'm quick, I'm quick. And the same thing happened with
Rachel Zoe was we were in the VIP room and
she was there, and we kind of got at the
back of the line and we could tell it was
kind of long, and those VIP things were super short,
(22:50):
and as we were getting closer, people were kind of
like because they kept going like two minutes, and you know,
we were like, oh, oh, I meaning here like thirty minutes. Yeah,
I hardly did any of that, hardly any standing in
line for thirty minutes. If I couldn't get it or
catch them. Then I just to forget it, you know,
I just would go and take a whatever. And you know,
like I'm old, I don't want to stand in that line.
But with Rachel Zoe, I really did, and so almost
(23:13):
like we were like four people away and they go
like one minute. And I looked at one of those
Bravo handler people that you know worked for Caesars or
worked for the event company, not Ravo specifically, and I go,
we are so fast. All we want is a selfishes.
I got you, girl. So they cut the line like
after us because I let them know, like I don't
have a microphone, I'm not setting up a tripod. I'm
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not going to try to have a dim minute conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I got the I got the it's already in focus.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I'm ready to go, and I'm not even gonna hand
my phone. I'm not even handing my phone over. I'm
doing the selfie and keep it pushing. Most of the time.
I didn't like the full body ones anyway, because you
doesn't matter your size, you're going to look horrible next
standing now people who are lambs out and then you're like,
I'm in my little denim dress, like you know, I'm
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trying to be comfortable.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I don't have two hours this morning, and I'm fighting
for my life over here.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I don't have somebody to hold my shoes when I'm
not wearing them, do you know what I mean? Like
I gotta Yeah. So many people walking around just glammed
to the max, like the the people at Brava gone.
I'm like, girl, yeah, I great those shoes tomorrow, I
tell you.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
What again, I don't know how, you know the ladies
do it because I had on fucking sneakers me too.
I was day one Friday night walking in my socks,
sneakers in hand through the Mandolay Bay Casino. At the
moment I got out of the four Seasons and said,
let me not embarrass biggie walking shoeless through here, because
(24:37):
I'm about I was about to die. Like every step
felt like it like was like beastings, you know. And yes,
all I could think were how did these like these
women who've had to walk around all day?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And I'm like, these are i'm a sneakers their heels.
I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I don't think they can make shoes comfortable enough for
Bravo Kahn. There's zero percent chance that you come out
with like out what at least a little bit of
foot soreness after the weekend, I feel.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I will tell you that, like last year, I think
I just fully warm a hookahs or two years ago,
this year I got some cute And this is not
an ad dealer of brand, guys, I'm just telling you
I got these really cute fit flop Seekers. There were
gold they were golden, shiny, super cute, and they were
the fit Flop brand, and which I've never bought a
pair of fit flops in my life. But they were
(25:24):
gold Seekers and they were so cute and comfortable the
whole day. Okay, all right, we talked about Wendy. Let's
talk about Candy's divorce. Okay. How smart was she to
drop it like three days after Bravo.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Con Okay, So I called this because there were there
were rumors that it was coming. And then like someone
on Twitter said that she dropped her name, she'd removed
Tucker from it was Candy Burry's Tucker on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
We can't do that, people. The sloths are out there,
they'll figure that shit out in four seconds.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well, and it's like so the moment I saw that,
That's when I first even because look, we see shit
like this all the time, and like, and it's not
even people making up shit all the time. I think
it's just Ravo is obviously very full of very very
vigilant people who pay attention to details.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And then I.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Started seeing you know, and they were like yes, and
she didn't have her ring on, and so then again
I'm back. Then I started thinking about to Bravocon. I'm like, Okay,
this haze of busyness, and then I'm like, Todd wasn't there, right,
And so then I'm like it was the big award.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And then I'm like and Candy was in and out
like next to next to no.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Press, right, And then so that's when I was like,
oh they were, And then I thought, it's Riley's first
Ravocon next gen is a huge thing.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Seems like Candy would be there to support Riley, but she.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Also knew if it broke before that, that's all Riley
was going to get questioned about all week. So the
moment that I saw that she dropped took her. I
think this was like two so this was Monday. I
think it was Monday, yes, And I said, Okay, well
it now makes sense, I said, because they were waiting
to get past Bravokon. That was literally her goal was
to get past Bravocon to not have to do press
at Bravo Con.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
She was, she had a very she came, she accepted
her award.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Quite frankly, I think had they had the divorce maybe
been brewing earlier, she probably would have been like, y'all
got a was through the award next year, you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, But all that to say as well,
like kudos to Candy because you would have never ever
known she came out there and gave a very like
moving speech. She had the audience crying, and you know,
reality team is often like a very like minimized like
(27:31):
genre and not really taken seriously. But at the end
of the day, I think if it does anything, it
is a community builder be it, you know, just as
viewers are on social media. And I think that Candy
really really highlighted that in her speech, just the community
that's amongst Bravo talent in general, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Generally they mostly they like each other.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, and told Vicky, I'm like, it's like I said,
it's you're really, I said, you're in a unique sisterhood.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I've told her.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I'm like you, you are in a group of a
couple hundred women, I said, are the only people in
the entire world that know what it feels like to
live this, you know, And I said, and even more
to make it even more unique, I said, you were
the first fucking one.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You know, there's one and there's just probably ten or
so that would know how Vicky feels and that they
did it for so long and from when it started
to how big it is now. There's not you know,
like Kyle, maybe you know, there are just a few
that will know could get Vicki's perspective, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Especially even more like because Vicky's one of the women,
you know, like Kyle had had you know, experience in
TV on cameras, on sets and things like this. You know,
you look at you know, like your Ramona's your Jills,
like you're you know, I mean you're Charae Like I
mean Chara you know that like Bob was like a
football guy, but like these were people that were just
(28:47):
living their lives and the next thing, you know, they
have a production crew in their home every day and
that's the new norm, you know, and then on top
of that, they're kind of giving birth to a new
cultural phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Really, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It is crazy to think about how it all just
came about, and very unintentionally on their behalf, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah, oh yeah, totally. Okay, what is the late what's
the latest on the Megan King thing? Because you know,
we've heard all the swirling arounds that a school nurse
I had to report her because she was The report
is allegedly that she was asking the school nurse to
give one of her children riddle in that was not
prescribed it and the school nurse of course has to
(29:28):
report that to authorities, and that's and that's why she
got all three of her kids taken away.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
See now, this whole time here, I thought Jim was
written all over this. I was like, Jim is up
to know?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You know, I really did, Like I'm an a Megan fan,
but I was like, Jim is I thought it was
always thought he was an asshole.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So I was just like, this is he's behind this somehow?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But yeah, a school nurse reported her, my understanding to
CPS because you know, like a school worker, just like
a therapyst is like a you have to.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Report things, I mean legally required required.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So I don't know if another child had the prescription
and she said just give it to both of them.
I don't know if there was no prescription, or if
Jim had come in and said, like, I don't want
my child to take this, but she said yes, and
they hadn't locked it out legally, you know, because one
parent can want something that the other one doesn't. I
don't know what happened there, but I've never been a
(30:25):
fan or not a fan of Megan King Edmund's detective Agency,
but you know, I think that's awful, and I hope
that whatever it is, they work it out really quickly,
because it's also traumatic for the children to be now
living full time with Jim and his new wife when
(30:45):
they were living mostly with Megan. I think it's a
I mean, of.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Course, and like kids know, if they don't have to
hear conversations the energy, you know, I mean, even just
if the kid was in the nurse's office, whatever that happened,
and then so I had to step out and late,
let me make a call and check like they they're
they're obviously they're probably getting questioned. The kids have to
get questioned in something like this, so they know something
(31:10):
is changing.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Something is in the air, is off, you know. And
I look, I don't I don't wish that on anyone obviously,
so I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I think it's uh, I hate it, I will say too.
You know, I'm no Kelly.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm not really a Kelly DoD fan. I'm not a
Megan fan.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
But back to the sisterhood that we were talking about,
you know, it was nice to see. We all know Kelly,
she loves to she can lay anybody out with her words.
She will, and she'll do it with ease. But to
immediately jump to to Megan's defense, and I mean they've
had they've had harsh moments in the past too, you know,
but to immediately publicly jump to her defense, not only
(31:52):
saying that this was a like messed up situation, but
to just you know, defend her as a mother, and
to say that, like, you know, her kids are better
with off, you.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Know, having her in their life.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
And I mean I think that again, back to community
and sisterhood like it is there. It's always good to
be able to support someone, you know, regardless of yeah,
you pissed me off before, bitch, you know, but.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Like, yeah, it's nice to see you know, Oh my god, Christian,
I would if they brought Kelly Died back. I do
think that would be my line in the sand of
I can't watch it, you know, So you let Vicky know.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Like Vicky and her are they're close, and you know,
Kelly and I we've we've talked.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
She's she's she's so problematic.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
She it's honestly to me, it's it's unfortunate. And I've
said before Kelly dog could have owned Bravo. She could
have that. She was so she's so funny, and she's.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
She's so good on TV.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
But god, she's out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It goes it like we didn't go left, we went
left into we wrote out into the sunset, Lightning speed Baby,
And you know I've said that before. You know, I'm
just it's it's just unfortunate that really really gets in
her own way, you know. And I but also too,
(33:19):
like it's unfortunate that she does feeling the need to
say the things she does, you know, I'm like.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
That's a nice way to say it. Yeah, Okay, Now
speaking of people that I think Andy hates I think
he hates Kelly Dodd Ginshaw. He really does seem to
hate her. Whenever anybody asked him, he'll be like, I'm good,
or they'll say something you know some usually he'll say no,
I always leave the door open, like the house I was.
Never get fired.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Never say never, say never.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And you know, even you know, talking about a Bravocon
talking about Nini who literally followed a lawsuit and called
him a racist, He's like, you know, maybe you know, yes.
But with Ginshaw, he has never wavered. He has never
He's always like, we're good, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
When he said to wat drop his life to a
fan that time, He's like, I don't ever want to
see her again. I'm like, what did she do to
y'all behind the scenes that none of us know about?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Like I think. I think because her particular crimes target
old people, and Andy himself has been the target of
a scam where they called from the bank and they
ended up getting pulling money out of his account and stuff,
And because his parents too have been the target of
people trying to scam them, as of my parents, and
(34:32):
and has my mother in law had one of these
people call and try to scam and not necessarily Jinshaw's organization,
but it's all adjacent, right, It's all, let's target people
that don't know and get their money, and now you
have their credit card, you can charge it. And I
think for Andy, I don't know if shit happened behind
the scenes to make him hate her, or if it
(34:54):
really is the personal nature of her crime that he's like,
uh uh, you know, what she did was so awful,
but because you think, like what Teresa did, she just
I mean it was terrible. She signed some documents, you know,
for stuff that wasn't hers, but it wasn't like she's
purposely going after old people and trying to like take all.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
This strategizing an years long plan to absolutely like bankrupt
people and knowing knowingly leave them with.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Nothing, knowingly with nothing and not care.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
And I think another thing now that we're talking about
it is maybe a thing for Andy is like, you know,
none of us maybe know what it feels like to
be lied to your face about stuff like that. And
I mean to the last fucking second, literally the last second, yes, yes,
And so I mean both I think as a human
and maybe boss and production involved, it's like all this
(35:45):
stuff is invested in you telling your story and us
sharing it and you literally it's almost like you used
us to the last second and then do what.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there there'll be no. I don't
think there'll be a Karen Huger type sit down Alu
Adelas type, you know, with a beautiful background. And I
don't think there'll be a sit down with Jinshaw to
have her, you know, because she was the head of
that snake. You know, she was the head of that
whole organization and it was I don't know, it was
like fifteen years in the making or something.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
She I mean, I remember being like impressed is the
wrong word because it's not like yeah, but I remember
being like damn.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Like criminal mastermind?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Who would know?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
And I remember that she had like like offshore accounts
and like places that I hadn't even like heard of
or something.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I was like, girl, like she is a like okay,
I want like a movie on this ship, like because yeah,
how did she how did she like was it just
one day that she was like I have an idea,
like how does that like.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
All these like LLC's in state that had certain laws
that were in her that were in her favor. It'd
be like, oh, she's got this LLC in Wisconsin. You're like, huh,
But it's because that law works better if you have
to quickly transfer your money to Guam. You're like, huh
gwom you know. It was so intricate, and then people
(37:04):
it too. Yeah, and then she had like twenty people
go down that were under her and then still never
admit any fault until that day in court where she
had to admit she purposely defrauded people.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, so I think her tell her like, you have
no choice, but or was she just really tried to
the last second.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I don't I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But here's the thing. When you do that and what
we've seen it, you know from all the cases that
you cover, you know that we cover on like dateline
and all these documentaries. When you do that and you
waste the court's time, and you don't just plead guilty
and take whatever they're going to give you, or plead
it to lesser time, whatever you the longer you waste
the court's time and then go in there and go
(37:42):
just kidding, I was lying all those other six times
we met. Then they're like, well, then now you're getting
but apparently she was so great in prison, who.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Are we going to be judging?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Maybe we should follow the Jinshaw method because she's getting out.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
She do you.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
She literally was sentenced to like seventy two months, eight
months something like that, she served half. Like I'm all like,
I'm you know, getting out early good behavior.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I'm all for it.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
And obviously that's not that's not a new idea or something.
I've never heard of someone getting that much time off
like now.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
People said. People said because her because her sentence was federal,
that she had to serve exactly half no matter what,
and then half in a day or something like that.
There's some sort of rule. And there's another thing, because
you're not cover all these love after lock Up and
all these shows, there's all these rules like if it's
this kind of crime, you have to serve. If your
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sentence is over one hundred days, you have to serve
ninety nine and then you can whatever. And there's all
these different rules. So with Jenshaw, I think because she
got in there and was like, give me every single
thing in here I could do to get points to
take time off, she did this. She got two months off.
She did this, she got two months off. She apparently
never got into a prison fight. She you know, was
(38:58):
teaching people and all these things. So hey, listen, I
wouldn't trust her to babysit my mom, but I wouldn't.
I wouldn't trust her to like help my mom go
get a new cell phone or anything.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I trust maybe instead a child, because they don't have
any money she.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Could take, right, But you know, let's see, maybe she'll
have a redemption arc not on Bravo. I don't think,
because I don't think Andy is ever going to fuck
with her again.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
I don't think you will either. But I think obviously
she's probably gonna get a book deal. She's going to
you know, I mean, even in this day and age,
she could you know, if she invests in a good
enough social additional team, she could document her own story
and profit that way and you know, monetize her own content.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
So like, but here's the thing, Christian, in this situation
where she owes all this restitution, Oh yeah, do you
know what I mean? You know, that's sort of like
Teresa used to all her book deal money and stuff
to pay back her restitution. So there's that.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, she might be she can become like a public speaker.
I don't know. I mean as far as like.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
She's gonna have to be, She's gonna have to be
She's going to have to be more likable in order
to be a public speaker.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Well, she's likable enough to always serve half a sentence.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
So or maybe maybe they were like get her out
of here.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Maybe that was it. They were like, you know what,
we get it, we get it.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We did not feel amazing. Please leave. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
But meanwhile, now in that same prison, you've got Gill
Maxwell and Elizabeth Holmes, and Holmes is like, oh my
friend is leaving, I.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Know, and maybwhile she got she got like eleven twelve years.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, she's in there for a long time. But if
she could just fall into Ginshaw maybe.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Shaw's original sentence, Yeah maybe.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
There were new pictures that came out. I think I
think it was this week or last week. I saw
maybe this page six. Her kids have gone to see her,
and she was in the like you know, the like
the outside area, playing with them, and.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
I mean it's like like your heart breaks.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Anytime, yeah before you see that, but with her specifically,
it's just like I remember, like keeping up with that
whole thing, and like.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Her trial was so fucking long, and and then.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
For her to like got she like I mean, I
don't want to say she got pregnant intentionally, but it's.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Like, girl, A lot of people think she did because
she would look more sympathetic if she had two kids
instead of one or whatever, it.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Was fully pregnant.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Like, so I just and I mean again I don't
want to say it, but also we have to consider
the nature of why we are here, and that is
because you intentionally, you know, manipulated people.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
And so I I just it's it's honestly, it's so
fucked up to even think about the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
You know, Galay Maxwell's in that prison now, oh my god, wow.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
And like minimum secure like what anybody that any prison
that has somebody getting out half early like Jenshaw should
not be fucking housing her.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I know, I know, I know, but I guess I
guess because I guess it's and I don't know, but
in my mind, because it is federal and it is
non violent, that they can loop all the all the
the scammers and the you know, because what Glen Maxwell
did technically non violet. She didn't physically uh, assault anyone.
(42:17):
What she did, she assisted.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
And she she got moved as the files became a
big part of the big conversation.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
So you could do with that what you will. That
now she's in a little bit of an upgrade.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Right right, right, but you know what I mean. I mean, God, literally,
there could just be a whole podcast about well, there
is one. It's called the Bravo Docket.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
There're gonna be a podcast about f C I, Brian,
f CI Bravo. That's literally it's like I want I
wanted to just go spend a day there. I don't
want to spend a day. I'll take that back.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I want to visit for a day.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
You'd have to go to Texas.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, well I love Texas.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
But also, I mean the last I was in Austin,
I was like, oh my god, Ginshaw's like forty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Well, you know podcast movement, the big podcast thing is
going to be at south By Southwest in March. All
of this they go every year. We're like, probably not
going to go to the Austin one. I've never been
to Austin and I was kind of excited. And now
that I know I could go visit Glane and Elizabeth
Holmes right down the road.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
And Ginshaw's old bunk because she won't be there anymore.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
You know that we call our listeners the bunkies because
of love after lock up. When you're in love after
lock if you talk about your bunkie, you know, like
your cellmates your bunkie, and god Ginshaw could be my
bunky Yeah. Uh no. Well, there's lots of other Ravo
news to talk about, but we're not going to have
a chance because you have to go have a meeting
with Vicki. But I will say, I hope that y'all
(43:50):
got Vicki a new orange or you've schlacked that orange
or a plastic one to replace that one, because I
don't wander around that. She was carrying around that swiveled range.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I told her.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
I was like, you cannot let go of that orange
all weekend, by the way, Like I was like, oh,
she didn't.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Oh yeah. I said, it's got to stay right.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Here in your palm, and I'm adamant about finding a
way to preserve it.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
She went to Mexico, so I.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Was like, put it in the fridge, put it in
the freezer. I'm talking with the lady on Twitter who like.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Does text it her. I mean, like it's like like
resin art type of thing.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, she said, in order to preserve everyone's telling, in
order to preserve it, it has to be like sliced. So
but she's like, what I can do? So she's like,
I will slice it and kind of piece it back
together and then so like and my I'm envisioning like
a cube like paper weight type of thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
And then so when I'm recording, she could also had
it like behind her.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, or you give it to like the clubhouse or something.
I think that could be cool.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
I think the time is of the essence.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, it is. And I text her the other day.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
I was like, you know, I'm not sure how long
you're gonna be in Mexico, so put that in the freezer.
I'm still figuring this out, and she goes, I promise
it's okay, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
It's any orange will do.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
And I heard the clip she said they're all the same,
and I heard the clip of Grestion going it's not
the same, because I'm like, wait, we have fought tirelessly
for this orange. We will we will put it in
resin rotten or not. Before we frown, it will be.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
It will be the size of a raisin, but we
will do it. Yes, Christian, tell everybody where they can
find you on social media and your podcast too.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yes, follow me on Instagram at Christian gracenow. And then
our podcast is My Friend Soulmate my podcast on Instagram
and we.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Have new episodes every Tuesday. So come check us out. Yeah,
come hang out with me and the og.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Go find the podcast wherever you find your podcast if
you just look up Christian Grace Snow or if you
look up like my friend, or if you look up
my Soulmate, because it is you know, it's a it's
a wordy title.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
It's a wordy title. You can look it up.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
And we're wordy people, you know, we're people of words,
so it's.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Fitting, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Great, great point you guys. If you're listening to this
on Thanksgiving, I have you had a great time. And
remember I have put out calls for terrible Thanksgiving family stories.
I'd love to hear them. Email mer d m me
mp at pinche podcast dot com. We love a terrible
Thanksgiving story, So if you have one, I'll change all
the names. Love to hear it today. Let me know
(46:18):
if you did the cousin walk, if you know you know,
that's where your cousin go off and get stoned and
come back. Okay, everybody, I'll see you next week. Bye,
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