May 6, 2025 • 34 mins
That's three in a row for Oscar Piastri! The Aussie took out the Miami Grand Prix in clinical fashion.
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Four, Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you
by Shannon's. On today's episode, Oscar Piastree wins his fourth
Grand Prix in five races to extend he's advantage atop
the driver's championship standings and with McLaren scoring its biggest
victory of the season yet, is there any hope for
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any of its would be rivals. My name is Michael Lomonado.
Thanks very much for your company, and I'm thankful for
the company as well of my co host. He knows
exactly where you going to be in the first weekend
of May in twenty forty one, it's Matt Clayton.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh boy, the Miami Grand Prix extension as I approach
pension age was a little confronting over the course of
the weekend. But six am Monday morning Australian time Formula one.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
There should be more of this. I think I don't
mind it. Breakfast Grand Prix. I'm gonna say twenty forty
one Miami extension. I was alarmed to find Kimi Antonelli
will still be younger than I am now. Oh no,
when that contract is up for a new all again dress.
Not to dwell on these things, I suppose as to
Unstown on the Miami Grand Prix, which Oscar piastre Wine's
third race in a row, as I think we foreshadowed
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last week, first Australian to do that since Alan Jones
in nineteen seventy nine, long time ago. And that's of
course a reflection not only on his form, but of
course McLaren sawman. We'll get to the Constructor's Championship picture
a little bit later. I want to throw a few
one I like a good stat You can read these
on Fox sports dot com dot Au as well.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
First McLaren driver twin three in a row since.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Mika Hacken correct in ninety eight, I believe, yes, seven
to eight. Yes, last McLaren driver to do so in
one season since go on i Aton Center nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Wow, really remarkable things.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The lead of sixteen points now over Orlando Norris, and
I actually found myself struggling to describe this win a
little bit in terms different to his past few wins,
because it was pretty cool and controlled. But I guess
the difference being that rather than starting on the front row,
it was starting from fourth, survived the carnage and still got.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
It done well.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's that weird stat about this Grand Prix where it
hasn't been one from the front pier, which is a
strange thing at a circuit where you would expect the
races to be pretty perfunctory. But look, it did owe
itself to a confluence of circumstances, which I'm sure we'll
get into in those opening laps. But one thing I
think we can see with Oscar is when there is
a chance to win a race, he doesn't apologize it's
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for taking it and takes it and doesn't let it go.
And this is one of the traits that we've now seen.
But six Grand Prix wins now, and you put this
in the context of recent Australian Formula One history. Daniel
Riccardo won eight Grand Prix, Webber won nine Grand Prix.
Oscar in a very very short space of time has
got himself to where he is and with so many
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rounds to go this season and with McLaren clearly based
on Miami being the dominant car, this is not going
to be the last time we have this conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, a question is how many more in a row
he can win? Because I've got the stats locked away
for four and five in a rows. Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
We were emphasise them just yet, but it really was.
It didn't need a second asking really to take this victory.
And I guess we can go to some of the
battles here because there were the only two main battles here.
It was Oscar versus with stapp and then later Norris
versus was Stappen. And it's sort of interesting because while
we've become very used to seeing Oscar battling at the front,
it's very easy to forget the only third season in
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the sport, and not just that, but for probably half
of that time, more than half that time, even really
the McLaren car hasn't been a car that's regularly fighting
for wins. Became a podium continder a couple of years ago,
and then late last year was the car that ultimately
won the constructors championship. But we therefore don't have the
history of piastre versus Verstappen that we do Norris as
with Stapen as just one example, and we saw a
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little bit in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Obviously that was really only one corner.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The corner a part of the story, and now he
saw a little bit more, much longer battle, much more
to and fro. But I was really impressed with the
way that he really tested Verstappan's defenses. I guess you
could argue with Staffan knew he probably wasn't going to
win strace anyway, but he still tried.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's easy to pass with Stappen.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I really thought the way he thought his way through
it was really quite interesting in a good first or
early chapter in that battle.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
What's interesting for me is he doesn't go for half
hearted moves or try to scare someone off the road
as you would within perhaps a less experienced driver. Verstapan
has a reputation of being possibly the most difficult past
in the person to pass in Formula one Esteban Okna,
which is another story altogether, but what was interesting for
me was that he didn't waste time and energy and
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tire life and momentum going for things that.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Weren't quite there.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And the way he raced it was like he was
the more experienced party in the McLaren duo here, because
you can trust the way both of them ultimately made
their way past for Stappen Piastres was minimal attempts, maximum efficiency,
very very clean and calculating in turn one, and the
amount of time it took Norris to do the same
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thing against an opponent in a weaker car. That really
was the race, because there wasn't a great deal between
the two of them when they were second and third
on the road. By the time Norris had made his
way past for Stappen and the McLaren's were in the
natural order they should have been in. That was the
race right there in that the margin was over eight seconds,
it had been I think about one point seven or
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two point one, somewhere around that range. That was the race,
and it was Oscar's decisiveness in getting to where that
car should be relative to look. Norris has got more
history with Verstappen, and history in the first corner of
the first lap. But maybe it's because this is a
new fight that Oscar's having with Verstappen, and the rules
of engagement are a little bit more differently. Twice in
two weeks now we've seen Piastre come out ahead technically
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head in air quotes after Saudi Arabia. Perhaps there's a
newness to this rivalry where Oscar's approaching it from a
more robust position.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Where it always feels to.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Me that Norris is kind of on the defensive or
apologizing almost for putting his car in an attacking position.
And I always like to say this, Formula One cars
have body language. I know many people won't believe me
with this, but they do when they're being driven by
these two people against arrival like Vestappen, and that lap
what eleven to eighteen range of the race that wasn't
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the race.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
It's also a.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Sign of I think things to come in the championship,
because one thing we've seen with Oscar is decisive, gets
on with it, and Norris is sort of fluffing around
a little bit, and whether he was the fast McLaren
or not over the remaining two thirds of the race
is a moot point because Pastre won the race on
at fourteen.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, I think that's also worth remy.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's three easy to retrofit different scenarios of this race
outcome without acknowledging simply that Oscar did better job. I mean,
that's it's very Reare you get a race where the
driver did the better job overall?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Doesn't because it's kind of the point of multiple lap events.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yes, not qualifying where someone does't gonta yellow flag INSI
I understand that perspective, But that difference between Piastrian and Norris,
I think is worth delving into a little bit. I
thought a couple of things were interesting that stood out.
One was after the fact, actually an interview. I think
it was with Sky Sports, but I think there are
other interviews as well where he was asked this question
about the difference in approach between him and Piastre. Battling
was stappened. I took him a certain number of laps
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and it was really quite testy about it. Didn't really
want to answer one word answers really, and there is
that element of people don't always see this, but there's
often ten or twenty TV crews all asking the same
question if that was the last one. It's probably answered
this many times, as has had enough of ask people
asking on why didn't you do it faster? So I
kind of get that, but I think there's still an
insight there because we've already talked to the season up
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to this point. That's psychological difference between these two drivers,
and that's where this championship, assuming is it probably will
be just between them, is going to be one and
loss because the machinery is equal, they're both very talented.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's going to be in their approaches. This for staff
and difference.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is really interesting as well because of all of the drivers,
he's going to be the one that pops up most
often as a blocking factor, I guess as a bit
of a wild card, and that history between Norris and
verstapp and I think makes it very interesting because you're right,
it seemed like the way he was battling him underlined
the baggage he carries into this championshi because it was
going to be a Norris Verstappen championship, right that was
the preview, and then actually the guy who's leading the
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championship already up the road. That for me is going
to be quite interesting. I guess third element is going
to play into this title.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Fight baggage and history and precedent. I guess you want
to have it out to that because obviously last year
we had the Orlando Norris championship charge quotes for seconds
on this episode there wasn't really one. It was more
theoretical than practical really, But whenever the Stapen felt like
he was in a position of vulnerability, his elbows were very,
very wide because I think he deep down thinks that
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he can intimidate or bully Norris, because Norris has come
off second best in so many of these things and
has spoken very openly about the psychological part of it game.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Piastre is and this is meant as a compliment.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Piastre is so robotic when it comes to these sorts
of things, like robots generally don't have feelings, as I'm
sure there were, but that really plays in his favor
here because I'm not sure for stapfan quite knows how
Piastre is going to react in one of these situations
because Oscar is so level, and so you don't know
whether he's going to be pumped up about it or
depressed if it goes wrong. He is so flatlined most
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of the time, and he's probably a more difficult opponent
to read. And we know what Max's default setting is
with this. He's going to be very, very aggressive. He's
going to take things to the absolute edge of acceptability
and occasionally over as we've seen in the past, you know,
we've had to rewrite rules because of the way he
defends and the way he attacks. But it's new with Oscar.
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There's not a lot of history between the two of them.
But I think Oscar is just so flatlined and composed
in these sorts of situations, and there's a decisiveness that
I'm really enjoying about the way he's driving at the moment,
because yes, he is relatively in Formula one terms inexperience.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It was only a year ago that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
McLaren winning Racist for the first time at this very
grand Prix in Miami. You look at how much the
game has moved on since then. But as the stakes
have been raised, I think Piastre is rising with those
and that's why he has this championship advantage right.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Now, it's a power dynamic there as well, right like
if you think about the personal relations personal professional relationships
might be a better way to describe it, is Niris,
I think you sort of alluded to it there. In
his battles with Max's usually ended up apologizing for something.
I was saying that Max was not in the wrong
for anything. You know, maybe it tipped over a little
bit in Mexico last year, but Max was so obviously
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in the wrong there that saying anything else would have
been ridiculous. And then the opposite, you have Piastre, and
I'm trying to think of the interactions they have. The
only one I could think of was last weekend in
Saudi Arabia, after Max had been defeated, saying, Oscar's doing
a great job, he's professional, he's got the stuff of
a world champion.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Words to that effect. There's an obvious.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Dynamic there that's very different for those two different sides
of this happen.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know what's interesting, Piastre in Verstappen. You wouldn't necessarily
put them in the same basket of driver, but they
actually are. When you think about the uncomplicated nature with
which they go racing. It's quite black and white. There's
not a massive amount of nuance. You're right, you're wrong,
you move on. There's none of this emotional bagage and
oh what about this and thinking about things that have
happened through races in the past. They're actually pretty similar
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in a lot of ways in that they're just very
uncomplicated and matter complicated. A matter of fact, this is
the way I'm going racing at this corner, at this
moment in time, and then we move on. And as
much as the Stappan would have been filthy with the
way that Piastre made that pass to take the lead
of the race in Miami, there would have been almost
a begrudging appreciation. I think of the fact that while
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I could have seen me doing that to somebody as well,
he for stapp and verstappend in that respect, but it
was clean and it was clinical and there was no
room for ambiguity, and we just moved on. And I
think they're actually very similar in terms of racing personality
in there outside of the car.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Who would know.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I don't think they're going to be having barbecues at
each other's places anytime soon, But in terms of a
pational respect between two people that go about it very
very similarly. I think you can see that building and
those the staff and comments in Saudi were notable because
that's not the sort of thing Max tends to say
about arrival.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Is it? No? Very fatherly?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You might say, well, perhaps he's did a practice.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I suppose, yes, ahead of time.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I guess one other talking what I want to take
us to hear was the only controversy of the race,
I suppose, which was that Norris and Verstappen run in
on the first lap, not the first time we had
a first corner, not Steward's investigation.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Of course, we go back to the sprint.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It was Antonelli versus Piastre, Piastri coming off ahead there
and the Steward's deciding there was no case to answer,
which I think was correct. But the newest thing was
a little bit more contentious, perhaps not from the stewarding angle.
There's been a lot of debates since then about whether
the rights and wrongs of Norris having an.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Attempt around turn two sparked off a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It's got to be said by team principle Andrea Stello,
who said afterwards that in hindsight, he probably shouldn't have
tried to pass for Stapfen there, yes, which I thought
was a little bit interesting. I think we've probably got
to remember that Andrea Steller is an engineer, and there's
I don't think there's any naivity with him in the media.
But I think what he said, should he just be
taken literally, which is yes in hindsight, shouldn't have done
it numerically yes, exactly right, But there has been debate
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about it. Norah said afterwards he was damned if he
did or didn't in terms of the response, and I
think that's probably right.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
He would have had critics either way. What was your
take on it.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Should he care about the response?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
No, I don't think response. He knew there, But that's
my question. Should he be factoring in that they should know?
Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Should he
care about the response? He should be caring about that
Quarner at that moment in time. Interestingly, the similar pass
that you mentioned in the sprint probably a little less
hysteria from the commentary than we saw in the Grand Prix.
But that's another podcast, isn't it. But I thought it
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was interesting the stellar. Comments for me were interesting too
because right now that McLaren is the fastest car in
Formula one and by long way, and it took eighteen
laps for them to get one two what they did
in the next thirty nimes until we got through the
checkered flag, it's the most dominant one to McLaren's had
since two thousand and seven, and that was with and
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that was with spending the first eighteen laps of the
race not in their natural position. So what Andrea Stella
says makes complete sense. It is that you've got such
a car advantage here. You know, you're up against an
opponent that is on the first lap of the race
where things that it's not anything goes, but it's not
far off a lot of time. Maybe you should have
bided your time. At the end of the first lap
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of that race. Leto Norris was sixth because he'd also
been overtaken by Alex Albon later on that first lap,
which was unseen by the TV cameras, So.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Should he have sat there, you know, sat it out
for that first.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Lap knowing that you're probably going to have a car
it's certainly a entire advantage in that weather in Miami
where the McClaren works better in hot conditions.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
We've seen that.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Or you know, do you let the emotion of a
first corner, first lap overtake get in the way of
what you probably should be doing in that particular car.
That was interesting for me. And again we're not going
to know the answer to this, but how does Oscar
Piastri play that?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Now?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
We saw a very very different set of circumstances in
Saudi where Piastre got fantastic start and for stuff and
didn't give the first corner up and copt the penalty
for it. But given the car advantage, they had a
little short side of.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Maybe, yeah, it's actually put to me the sort of
anything today. The question of how the mentality will change
once you know the championship really starts to boil down.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
It's a long way away obviously, and.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The risk taking approach, and it really depends on how
early a the McLaren drivers want to admit to themselves
that it's just between them, But by that same token,
they still has to be risk taking, right because it's
going to be very close between them. We've got dichotomy here, right,
Like Lando took risks that were probably a little bit
against him in terms of odds. Piastre's risks all seemed
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to be or he makes them in his favor.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I suppose, yes.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I wonder how that'll play out over time, but eighteen
more rounds to find out, plenty of time. Let's move
on now, though, to move of the week, brought to
you by Shannon's to my mind, Matt, with only one
Grand Prix obviously of the course of the weekend, but
it's you been Supercars coming up this weekend. There was
really only one move for this category. That was the
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move for the lead from Oscar Piastri on Max for
Staff and for all the reasons I've already talked about.
Really it was decisive, it was analytical. I think the
way he approached it we have a direct comparison with
Teammatelando Norris. He was certainly much cleaner, it was faster.
It was everything we know about Oscar Piastri in the
way he wins races and it's extended his championship league.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
And it was a move down the inside of Max Fastadi,
not on the outside, because if you try and pass
Max to staffin on the outside of a corner, there's
a fair chance you'll be getting acquainted with a runoff
on the outside of said corner. But low hanging fruit
by you, but a good choice. I'm going a little
left field here because I like doing this to you. Yes,
I'm saying move of the week is probably Olioaks, the
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Alpine team principalcanning his post race press availability at the
last minute and high tailing it for the jet to
go back to Europe.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
At the same time, that story.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Started to emerge that perhaps Jack Dowin's tenure at Alpine
was looking a little shaky. Now, I don't want to
link one with the other here, but it's not too
if that's the reason he's canceled the post race availability,
no good. Yeah, but there's a wider story here, isn't
here with Jack doing because then he's looking a little tenuous.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, not for the first time this season. But the
reports are recording this on Monday night from the website
the Race, that Alpin's seriously considering removing Jack from the
cockpit to replace him with reserve driver Franco Colopinto. Now,
if you cast your minds back to the preseason, there
was already a rumor to that effect that it would
have been done before the Miami Grand Prix. Obviously that
didn't happen. And Jack's been confident every time I've spoken
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to him, certainly and every time he spoken to the media,
that these rumors are just noise, that they're without foundation.
He's got the season because that's what's in his contract,
and Franco's contract is that he's a reserve driver. So
it's not the first time this story has come up,
but certainly there are a series of factors here that
have alluded to it. There was a rumor on Friday
which the team attempted to quash because of a hot
mic moment from one of Franco Colobindow's major sponsor, the
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Argentine Oil Company, saying that he would be in the
car for Riumuler, which is the next race. The sponsor
walked that back and said, that's just what they wanted
to seek for me. And this is something Oliver Oaks,
the team principle, has done all year, is that he
only went.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Five percent of the way of questioning the rumor.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
He said, yes, it's all noise, and then he used
the political language that today Jack is our driver, which
is something you never really want to hear and does
seem a little bit concerning. I mean, there's two ways
of looking at it.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
There have been rumors all year and they haven't come true.
But this seems like a fresh rumor and a couple
of elements that seem to make it added.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Up ninety to ninety five percent is kind by you. Yeah,
but look, this whole season has been this non endorsement,
endorsement of a driver that Alpine has poured a lot
of money and time into testing a previous Cars program.
He was basically set up to stumble from the moment
that he got the gig the last race of last year,
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let alone the start of this year. It was being
spun that, well, it'll be good to get him in
the car and getting used to a race weekend and
estabanock On's off to Haarsen, it's all fine. I'm not
sure he was ever really put in a position to
maximize what it is that he could or could not
do in this car. But if you're saying that you
know is our driver today, if this is a decision
that perhaps has been arrived at because of lap one
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of one race, six races into the season, then it
surely isn't that. It's surely something that's been decided well beforehand.
I don't think you can have this as the straw
that broke the camel's back. You know, Jack's had some
good performances. You have qualified Pierre Ghastly for a Grand
Prix for the first time. Alpine's not been particularly good
anyway anywhere and doesn't matter who's driving it. But there
are green shoots of progress there. But the whole time
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it's felt that he's sort of on death row with this,
and if that's the decision that tips him out, I'm
not really sure everyone's been completely honest here.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean fundamentally whether or not this rumor is true.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The fact that no one's been able to all season,
including this weekend, categorically deny it, whether they leave early
from the race weekend or not. I think he's just
kind of ordinary from the team for a driver. Again,
like you say that it's invested a lot of money
and it's their junior driver. You know, there is president
for rookies being dropped early, but Jack has not been
anyway need boad enough to be dropped earlier. There have
been signs that you say, green shoots that he's actually doing.
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Okay's one light pace is pretty good certainly from expectations.
It will be a pity if that were to come true.
But like we said, like Jack will tell you, there
are in a lot of rumors this season that haven't
come true. In fact, he kind of predicted this. He said, well,
now that I'm here in Miami, there's gonna be another room.
I'm going to be replaced by the next trace, and
low and behold, there has been but not that right.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
There certainly have.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Been reports from reputable sources, and we'll have to wait
and see. In a fourth to night's fortnight's time for
the Amdia Romagna Grand Prix. But Matt, let's move on.
We'll move backwards to the Miami Grand Prix again because
there's a broad a picture here beyond the drivers championship.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
But that is McLaren's domination of this Grand Prix.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It was more than half a minute over the next
quickest car, which was George Russell's Mercees and he was
also no one usedly unfortunate, but look at the VSC
at various points. In short, he got up to third.
I think the gap probably could have been more than that.
In other circumstances, and it begs a question where six
rounds in at the quarter point of the season good
a point is any to take a little bit of
stock before we hit into that long European leg of
the campaign which has Canada in it. For some reason
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about how the season is going. In terms of the teams,
we expect that to be four front running teams. They
kind of are McClaren's ahead of all of them, no,
pretty confidently. This was its biggest winning margin of the season,
more than twice as large as its previous one, which
was the Barrangn pri which Oscar also won. Kind of
makes you wonder what the point for the other teams are.
I want to go through them really briefly, and then
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I also want to highlight Ferrari here because they'd a
story on their own.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Maxstappen took pole.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It's only interesting statistic because he's the most successful pole
getter of the season so far. He's got four from
six really good over one lap or and McLaren drives
a bit sketchy over one lap. But Red Bull modice
board advisor Helmet Marco called it depressing and an example
of the real speed of the McLaren car.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Is that the case for Red Bull Racing?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, obviously Max has been free to speak his mind
so far this year and often has. But where is
it the poll or is it the race performance? For
you that's more representative.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's not been depressing for one weekend, it's been depressing
six rounds. Really, what Max is doing is what the
true greats do, and that you are transcending the natural
performance of a car. And you can do that over
one lap, but you can't do it over three hundred.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
And five kilometers. It's not possible.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
What he's doing on Saturdays at the moment is one
of my favorite storylines of the season because it's ridiculous
in a lot of respects is that car has no
business in terms of quality being at the front of
the grid. What Max is doing is outperforming the machinery
by a massive, massive extent. So that's a great storyline,
but it's also not particularly sustainable in terms of you're
(22:29):
always sitting yourself up to be disappointed in the Grand
Prix because you're doing amazing things. And yes, the McLaren
guys have made a couple of mistakes here and there,
and we saw that in Japan. That was race defining.
It's the reason that the Stapen won that race because
he took a brilliant poll on Saturday and at a
circuit where you can't really pass, make no mistakes, and
that's the difference, whereas other tracks where you can overtake.
The McLaren advantage is so great at the moment. But
(22:52):
you mentioned Miami, it was the perfect storm of track layout, temperature,
no one else really being in the mix to fight
for anything. And I think the wide part of this
conversation now is and we've discussed this before on the pod,
it's part of this maturity of rule set where there's
a lot of teams that have one eye or perhaps
if you're Aston Martin, both eyes and every other body
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part on twenty twenty six, and this massive rule change.
The incentive for other teams that are trailing McLaren right
now other than Redbaurn will get to that to really
push on with twenty twenty five at the expense of
twenty six is basically zero. Red Bull is different here
because we suspect there are performance clauses in Max for
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Stapfen's contract that he may be able to wriggle himself
out of so he should, you know, if he wants
to do that. If Red bulline in a certain position
in drivers and Constructors' championships, they have probably the best
driver in Formula One right now. I think Max is
driving perhaps better than he's ever driven right now, and
he scored ninety nine of their one hundred and eight
points by himself. It's crazy, but nobody else is hugely
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incentivized to push with the developing a car, and Williams
are an interesting conundrum here and get to them. So
you've got McClaren with two drivers in terrific form. They've
clearly hit the sweet spot with that car, and you've
got a maturity of rule set that the incentive for
someone else to invest a lot of time, effort and
money momentum to try and bridge that gap is dwindling
by the week. And so I think we're going to
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have a really exciting drivers Championship, but the Constructors Championship,
let's be honest, that thing's done.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, I want to contrast perhaps even those two teams.
Mercedes has always been thereabouts, had a little bit of a
wobble last time out. George Russell got another podium though
he's driving a really high level, fantastic level.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
We'll get to.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Andrea cami out to know it a little bit later
on as well, because he certainly deserves to mention.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
After this weekend.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
We contrasted with Ferrari because Ferrari is the team that
probably ended last year as fastest challenge with the Constructors Championship,
fell fourteen points short and really thought, and I certainly
thought a lot of people did, that they would kick
on in a way McLaren would have as well.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
This year.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
No one expected mcarn to dominate like this, and no
one certainly expected Ferrari to be this bombastic. I know
that sounds strange because it is Ferrari, but they seemed
like they were getting they're act together and this year
has felt like a little bit of a step backwards.
They were the fifth fastest car this weekend, behind Williams,
as you mentioned, behind Alex Albon in the race, and
then also qualifying behind as well Lewis. Hamilton had a
(25:13):
particularly poor qualifying in twelve by position, but actually this
was one of his closest races to Charlotte Clair in
terms of qualifying time after those depressing races in the
Middle East and in Japan actually has closed the gap,
and you could tell from his body language was much
happy this weekend, but the result just wasn't. There was
also marred by totally unnecessary team order debate over radio,
(25:36):
where it made two team orders, one to swap Lewis
Hamilton ahead of the Claire and then to swap them back,
and the result was that neither of them caught Antonelli towards.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
The end of the race.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
To talk of that question about surely it's about twenty
twenty six now Ferrari must have absolutely or does it
have motivation to continue pressing because it's so upsetting the
results for Ferrari fans at this point or is it
really just twenty six has to.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Be hear well.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I think the good news was that they were so
irrelevant in this case that we didn't have to see
that god awful livery that they brought out from Miami
too often on their TV, So that was good. But look,
the good news is their two drivers are only three
seconds apart of the checkered flag. The bad news is
that Leclaire was fifty seven seconds off and Lowis Hamilton
was a full minute off.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
The wins.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
So they are just positioned absolutely nowhere at the moment,
and so because it's Ferrari, we expect better. And then
just the indecision and the mixed messaging and Lewis Hamilton
had the sarcasm button going on full blast through the
Miami Grand Periri's you know, would you like me to
let Carlos science passed as well? Like it was really
on good form in that respect. But it's a car
(26:37):
that we discussed this on last week's podcast. I think
Charlotte Claire is making that car do things that it
probably shouldn't. Lewis Hamilton is getting adjusted to a new
team and a new culture, and you knew everything for
this season. If this is the pain you have to
go through to make twenty six more palatable, that's the
only thing that gives Ferrari a pass right now, because
(26:57):
if you're judging this in isolation, with the driver lineup
they've got and the resource that they have, this is
dreadful right now. And you mentioned being outpaced by Williams
and this is not nineteen ninety seven, Like this is
a conversation that was legitimate back when Mika hacken And
was doing his three straight three straight racers for McLaren.
That's a legit conversation that hasn't been a legit conversation
(27:19):
for years. But there was nothing in that race weekend
in Miami where you looked at Williams and said, this
is a product of good luck for Williams or circumstance.
They were better than Ferrari on merit in every measure,
and that's not a sentence that we should be saying
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yes, Williams, interestingly enough, very much a side narrative to
this race, had their own team orders to barcle about
holding station and overtake. That happened when it shouldn't have.
I liked car this should have been overtaken. Carlos Signs's
attempt to pass out on the last my goodness, you've
been plowing him into the war and shocked they both
made it to the checker place.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
It was one of those race weekends where teammates were
at each other the whole time.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I'm just hoping that you and I can get.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Through this podcast or given kneecappy on the way out
of this, I think, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, I think for just to sum up on the
Ferrari thing. I think you're right. If this is all
about twenty twenty six, then sometimes you've got a great
teeth at twenty four grand PERI in the season and
get it done. But I think for me, what's more
concerning the car pace, because you're right, it's the end
of the regulations. We're at this funny stage is regulations
we're getting. Any performance is really difficult. They've got an
upgrade coming for him Miller. Of course they do. It's
(28:23):
one of their home races, and maybe that'll at least
make the performance more respectable, because I think that's all
they can really aim for at this point. I'm not
expecting a massive revolution in terms of performance, but it's
that operational sharpness we'd come to get used to last
year where we thought, oh, this is the version of
Fray that's going to do it because they've got their
house in order in a way they hadn't for many years.
(28:43):
That has felt like a step backwards this year. And
I don't want to doubt Fred Vasser because he's got
runs on the board.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
He did the job last year, like the job had
been done. It it is possible to do that job.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
But the fact that it's happened this year when it
should be preparation, when they should be proving they've got
to riding together.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
You're still here in the year. But that for me
is just a little bit concerning. I think a little.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Bit, and look, I will I often wonder if Vasso
says this all the time, You do wonder how much
of the broadcast of the radio chat is done purely
for you know, cue the Benny Hill music, he Goo
Ferrari again, a bit of that sort of thing. But
at the very least, this season needs to be getting
LaClair and Hamilton to work well together, get Lewis accustomed
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to the team incomfortable, and be operationally sharp. For when
you get this blank sheet of paper for twenty six,
at least you're starting from a point where you might
be able to do something.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
If we're still.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Floundering around with operational things and confusing mixed messages across
the radio and no one knows whether they're coming or going.
This is what the next eighteen races are for Ferrari,
because short of some remarkable circumstance, they're not going to
win one, and you'll have the odd outlier. Charlt Clair
will put it on Pole somewhere probably backoop. Yeah, yeah,
all Monica, one of those two, and there'll be the
odd outlier performance. But in terms of where they are
(30:00):
right now, I just never thought that I would see
the day where Williams would be out performing Ferrari on
merit in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
But here we are, remarkable, said boy of the regulations.
Went for one more year. That's not very interesting, Matt.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Before we wrap up this, though, we must go to
the crystal ball from a complete home filtration, Thank you
very much. I'm hoping we'll get a crystal ball in
the studio at some point. Technically don't exist, which is
why we don't have one, but maybe we can get something.
I'm going to make my prediction. Of course, we can
choose any timeframe we like, so I'm just going to
choose the next Formula One Grand Prix, which of course
(30:35):
is at Imola, which is Andrea Kimi Antonelli's home race,
born in Bologna, only down the road. I think this
will finally be his first podium after the near miss
of Miami twice in the sprint and in the Grand Prix.
He was really impressive this weekend. He's been very good
all season without having these wildly impressive results, been more
than good enough for the gamble Mclintmrceades has taken to
(30:56):
put him into the car.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
But this was the first.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Weekend where I think you really or why they did
it because from the very first day and this was
a sprint format, which means drivers is really at a
premium to be ho it immediately, and he was had
Russell's number pretty much the whole weekend, willing to say, Okay,
the race didn't go his way, but there was some
strategy elements to it.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Obviously got that sprint pole.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Extremely irritating because I don't know how to statistically treat that.
You want to if you want to call him the
youngest of a pole, get it, I'm not sure technically yes,
but anyway he got it. He got it done regardless,
but couldn't get the result in either day, partly because
that battle with Piastri then, as I said, with strategy,
but I think he'll get it done in Italy.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Imagine the result.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Imagine an Italian on a podium in Italy, and of
all tracks, look, I love Monza as well, but Imola
maybe the last year of himaler As well, that's news
I expect we'll get in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I think that would be enormous, a fantastic story and
something that would be as impressive as George Russell has
been this year. And you can see that reflected in
the points table. He's probably overachieved statistically compared to where
he's been on track a lot of the time. The
thing that's so impressive about Antonelli is that none of
it looks like it's any trouble, completely unfazed and unbothered,
and I'm eighteen and this is fine, And it's almost
(32:04):
like he expects to be there, but not in an
arrogant way. He's just confident that he's got the ability
and the machinery to do it. And as you said before,
one hundred percent justifies the decision to put him in there.
Super bright future, and I do like the crystal Wall prediction.
It would be a good story and I'm all for
cheering for the narrative because that's what we do. But
(32:24):
crystal Ball time I mentioned before, Oscopiastri six Grand Prix wins,
Daniel Ricardo eight, Mark Webber nine, the second most successful
Australian driver in history of Formula One is Alan Jones
twelve Grand Prix wins, although A. J. Tellio's thirteen nineteen
eighty SPECIs Grand Prix. Look it up on Google Kids
if you don't know. My prediction is by the end
of this season, Oscar Piastri is going to be the
(32:45):
second most successful driver Australian driver in.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
The history of Formula One.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
It's a great core, which means that he needs to
win what's seven well, but he needs to win seven
more Grand Prix with eighteen to go in the strongest
car in the field in what's looking like a two
driver championship. So Jack Braben won fourteen rond Prix, is
that out of the question here? He would need to
(33:09):
win nine of the last eighteen races. He would be
totally half of correct, absolutely in play.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I reckon I think it is.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I mean, look, which is wild, but I mean I
also speaks. This is a digression we've got right up.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
But to the number of races we've got, Like we
talked about these records historically, you can talk about win percentage.
Although I would believe in win percentages, it must just
be up there being his third campaign, but the fact
you could completely overrun the win record of a historically
iconic driver.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
In yes, okay, this season has more races than about
three of Jacks probably whole career.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah, just about.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
But that's absolutely it's wild to say, yes it is.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I look, i'd be it's your crystal, Paul.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I'm just surprised if he didn't surpass Allener or get
to Alan Jones' record seven wins. Seems absolutely it's less
than half. Like you say in a car that should
buy rides with every Grand Prix for the rest of
the year. You know, maybe you throw Monaicne as an
outlier and maybe back or whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
It seems like it should be possible.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
We've had four and about eight weeks, so.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
This lad he would comfortably become the most successful me.
He could win three championships this year.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
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the driver's championship standings and with McLaren scoring its biggest
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Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh boy, the Miami Grand Prix extension as I approach
pension age was a little confronting over the course of
the weekend. But six am Monday morning Australian time Formula one.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
There should be more of this. I think I don't
mind it. Breakfast Grand Prix. I'm gonna say twenty forty
one Miami extension. I was alarmed to find Kimi Antonelli
will still be younger than I am now. Oh no,
when that contract is up for a new all again dress.
Not to dwell on these things, I suppose as to
Unstown on the Miami Grand Prix, which Oscar piastre Wine's
third race in a row, as I think we foreshadowed
(01:35):
last week, first Australian to do that since Alan Jones
in nineteen seventy nine, long time ago. And that's of
course a reflection not only on his form, but of
course McLaren sawman. We'll get to the Constructor's Championship picture
a little bit later. I want to throw a few
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Speaker 3 (01:52):
First McLaren driver twin three in a row since.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Mika Hacken correct in ninety eight, I believe, yes, seven
to eight. Yes, last McLaren driver to do so in
one season since go on i Aton Center nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Wow, really remarkable things.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The lead of sixteen points now over Orlando Norris, and
I actually found myself struggling to describe this win a
little bit in terms different to his past few wins,
because it was pretty cool and controlled. But I guess
the difference being that rather than starting on the front row,
it was starting from fourth, survived the carnage and still got.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
It done well.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's that weird stat about this Grand Prix where it
hasn't been one from the front pier, which is a
strange thing at a circuit where you would expect the
races to be pretty perfunctory. But look, it did owe
itself to a confluence of circumstances, which I'm sure we'll
get into in those opening laps. But one thing I
think we can see with Oscar is when there is
a chance to win a race, he doesn't apologize it's
(02:45):
for taking it and takes it and doesn't let it go.
And this is one of the traits that we've now seen.
But six Grand Prix wins now, and you put this
in the context of recent Australian Formula One history. Daniel
Riccardo won eight Grand Prix, Webber won nine Grand Prix.
Oscar in a very very short space of time has
got himself to where he is and with so many
(03:07):
rounds to go this season and with McLaren clearly based
on Miami being the dominant car, this is not going
to be the last time we have this conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, a question is how many more in a row
he can win? Because I've got the stats locked away
for four and five in a rows. Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
We were emphasise them just yet, but it really was.
It didn't need a second asking really to take this victory.
And I guess we can go to some of the
battles here because there were the only two main battles here.
It was Oscar versus with stapp and then later Norris
versus was Stappen. And it's sort of interesting because while
we've become very used to seeing Oscar battling at the front,
it's very easy to forget the only third season in
(03:41):
the sport, and not just that, but for probably half
of that time, more than half that time, even really
the McLaren car hasn't been a car that's regularly fighting
for wins. Became a podium continder a couple of years ago,
and then late last year was the car that ultimately
won the constructors championship. But we therefore don't have the
history of piastre versus Verstappen that we do Norris as
with Stapen as just one example, and we saw a
(04:02):
little bit in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Obviously that was really only one corner.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The corner a part of the story, and now he
saw a little bit more, much longer battle, much more
to and fro. But I was really impressed with the
way that he really tested Verstappan's defenses. I guess you
could argue with Staffan knew he probably wasn't going to
win strace anyway, but he still tried.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It's easy to pass with Stappen.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I really thought the way he thought his way through
it was really quite interesting in a good first or
early chapter in that battle.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
What's interesting for me is he doesn't go for half
hearted moves or try to scare someone off the road
as you would within perhaps a less experienced driver. Verstapan
has a reputation of being possibly the most difficult past
in the person to pass in Formula one Esteban Okna,
which is another story altogether, but what was interesting for
me was that he didn't waste time and energy and
(04:51):
tire life and momentum going for things that.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Weren't quite there.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
And the way he raced it was like he was
the more experienced party in the McLaren duo here, because
you can trust the way both of them ultimately made
their way past for Stappen Piastres was minimal attempts, maximum efficiency,
very very clean and calculating in turn one, and the
amount of time it took Norris to do the same
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thing against an opponent in a weaker car. That really
was the race, because there wasn't a great deal between
the two of them when they were second and third
on the road. By the time Norris had made his
way past for Stappen and the McLaren's were in the
natural order they should have been in. That was the
race right there in that the margin was over eight seconds,
it had been I think about one point seven or
(05:37):
two point one, somewhere around that range. That was the race,
and it was Oscar's decisiveness in getting to where that
car should be relative to look. Norris has got more
history with Verstappen, and history in the first corner of
the first lap. But maybe it's because this is a
new fight that Oscar's having with Verstappen, and the rules
of engagement are a little bit more differently. Twice in
two weeks now we've seen Piastre come out ahead technically
(06:00):
head in air quotes after Saudi Arabia. Perhaps there's a
newness to this rivalry where Oscar's approaching it from a
more robust position.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Where it always feels to.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Me that Norris is kind of on the defensive or
apologizing almost for putting his car in an attacking position.
And I always like to say this, Formula One cars
have body language. I know many people won't believe me
with this, but they do when they're being driven by
these two people against arrival like Vestappen, and that lap
what eleven to eighteen range of the race that wasn't
(06:29):
the race.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
It's also a.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Sign of I think things to come in the championship,
because one thing we've seen with Oscar is decisive, gets
on with it, and Norris is sort of fluffing around
a little bit, and whether he was the fast McLaren
or not over the remaining two thirds of the race
is a moot point because Pastre won the race on
at fourteen.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, I think that's also worth remy.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's three easy to retrofit different scenarios of this race
outcome without acknowledging simply that Oscar did better job. I mean,
that's it's very Reare you get a race where the
driver did the better job overall?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Doesn't because it's kind of the point of multiple lap events.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yes, not qualifying where someone does't gonta yellow flag INSI
I understand that perspective, But that difference between Piastrian and Norris,
I think is worth delving into a little bit. I
thought a couple of things were interesting that stood out.
One was after the fact, actually an interview. I think
it was with Sky Sports, but I think there are
other interviews as well where he was asked this question
about the difference in approach between him and Piastre. Battling
was stappened. I took him a certain number of laps
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and it was really quite testy about it. Didn't really
want to answer one word answers really, and there is
that element of people don't always see this, but there's
often ten or twenty TV crews all asking the same
question if that was the last one. It's probably answered
this many times, as has had enough of ask people
asking on why didn't you do it faster? So I
kind of get that, but I think there's still an
insight there because we've already talked to the season up
(07:47):
to this point. That's psychological difference between these two drivers,
and that's where this championship, assuming is it probably will
be just between them, is going to be one and
loss because the machinery is equal, they're both very talented.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's going to be in their approaches. This for staff
and difference.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is really interesting as well because of all of the drivers,
he's going to be the one that pops up most
often as a blocking factor, I guess as a bit
of a wild card, and that history between Norris and
verstapp and I think makes it very interesting because you're right,
it seemed like the way he was battling him underlined
the baggage he carries into this championshi because it was
going to be a Norris Verstappen championship, right that was
the preview, and then actually the guy who's leading the
(08:23):
championship already up the road. That for me is going
to be quite interesting. I guess third element is going
to play into this title.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Fight baggage and history and precedent. I guess you want
to have it out to that because obviously last year
we had the Orlando Norris championship charge quotes for seconds
on this episode there wasn't really one. It was more
theoretical than practical really, But whenever the Stapen felt like
he was in a position of vulnerability, his elbows were very,
very wide because I think he deep down thinks that
(08:51):
he can intimidate or bully Norris, because Norris has come
off second best in so many of these things and
has spoken very openly about the psychological part of it game.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Piastre is and this is meant as a compliment.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Piastre is so robotic when it comes to these sorts
of things, like robots generally don't have feelings, as I'm
sure there were, but that really plays in his favor
here because I'm not sure for stapfan quite knows how
Piastre is going to react in one of these situations
because Oscar is so level, and so you don't know
whether he's going to be pumped up about it or
depressed if it goes wrong. He is so flatlined most
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of the time, and he's probably a more difficult opponent
to read. And we know what Max's default setting is
with this. He's going to be very, very aggressive. He's
going to take things to the absolute edge of acceptability
and occasionally over as we've seen in the past, you know,
we've had to rewrite rules because of the way he
defends and the way he attacks. But it's new with Oscar.
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There's not a lot of history between the two of them.
But I think Oscar is just so flatlined and composed
in these sorts of situations, and there's a decisiveness that
I'm really enjoying about the way he's driving at the moment,
because yes, he is relatively in Formula one terms inexperience.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It was only a year ago that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
McLaren winning Racist for the first time at this very
grand Prix in Miami. You look at how much the
game has moved on since then. But as the stakes
have been raised, I think Piastre is rising with those
and that's why he has this championship advantage right.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Now, it's a power dynamic there as well, right like
if you think about the personal relations personal professional relationships
might be a better way to describe it, is Niris,
I think you sort of alluded to it there. In
his battles with Max's usually ended up apologizing for something.
I was saying that Max was not in the wrong
for anything. You know, maybe it tipped over a little
bit in Mexico last year, but Max was so obviously
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in the wrong there that saying anything else would have
been ridiculous. And then the opposite, you have Piastre, and
I'm trying to think of the interactions they have. The
only one I could think of was last weekend in
Saudi Arabia, after Max had been defeated, saying, Oscar's doing
a great job, he's professional, he's got the stuff of
a world champion.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Words to that effect. There's an obvious.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Dynamic there that's very different for those two different sides
of this happen.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know what's interesting, Piastre in Verstappen. You wouldn't necessarily
put them in the same basket of driver, but they
actually are. When you think about the uncomplicated nature with
which they go racing. It's quite black and white. There's
not a massive amount of nuance. You're right, you're wrong,
you move on. There's none of this emotional bagage and
oh what about this and thinking about things that have
happened through races in the past. They're actually pretty similar
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in a lot of ways in that they're just very
uncomplicated and matter complicated. A matter of fact, this is
the way I'm going racing at this corner, at this
moment in time, and then we move on. And as
much as the Stappan would have been filthy with the
way that Piastre made that pass to take the lead
of the race in Miami, there would have been almost
a begrudging appreciation. I think of the fact that while
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I could have seen me doing that to somebody as well,
he for stapp and verstappend in that respect, but it
was clean and it was clinical and there was no
room for ambiguity, and we just moved on. And I
think they're actually very similar in terms of racing personality
in there outside of the car.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Who would know.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I don't think they're going to be having barbecues at
each other's places anytime soon, But in terms of a
pational respect between two people that go about it very
very similarly. I think you can see that building and
those the staff and comments in Saudi were notable because
that's not the sort of thing Max tends to say
about arrival.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Is it? No? Very fatherly?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You might say, well, perhaps he's did a practice.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I suppose, yes, ahead of time.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I guess one other talking what I want to take
us to hear was the only controversy of the race,
I suppose, which was that Norris and Verstappen run in
on the first lap, not the first time we had
a first corner, not Steward's investigation.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Of course, we go back to the sprint.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It was Antonelli versus Piastre, Piastri coming off ahead there
and the Steward's deciding there was no case to answer,
which I think was correct. But the newest thing was
a little bit more contentious, perhaps not from the stewarding angle.
There's been a lot of debates since then about whether
the rights and wrongs of Norris having an.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Attempt around turn two sparked off a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It's got to be said by team principle Andrea Stello,
who said afterwards that in hindsight, he probably shouldn't have
tried to pass for Stapfen there, yes, which I thought
was a little bit interesting. I think we've probably got
to remember that Andrea Steller is an engineer, and there's
I don't think there's any naivity with him in the media.
But I think what he said, should he just be
taken literally, which is yes in hindsight, shouldn't have done
it numerically yes, exactly right, But there has been debate
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about it. Norah said afterwards he was damned if he
did or didn't in terms of the response, and I
think that's probably right.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
He would have had critics either way. What was your
take on it.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Should he care about the response?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
No, I don't think response. He knew there, But that's
my question. Should he be factoring in that they should know?
Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Should he
care about the response? He should be caring about that
Quarner at that moment in time. Interestingly, the similar pass
that you mentioned in the sprint probably a little less
hysteria from the commentary than we saw in the Grand Prix.
But that's another podcast, isn't it. But I thought it
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was interesting the stellar. Comments for me were interesting too
because right now that McLaren is the fastest car in
Formula one and by long way, and it took eighteen
laps for them to get one two what they did
in the next thirty nimes until we got through the
checkered flag, it's the most dominant one to McLaren's had
since two thousand and seven, and that was with and
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that was with spending the first eighteen laps of the
race not in their natural position. So what Andrea Stella
says makes complete sense. It is that you've got such
a car advantage here. You know, you're up against an
opponent that is on the first lap of the race
where things that it's not anything goes, but it's not
far off a lot of time. Maybe you should have
bided your time. At the end of the first lap
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of that race. Leto Norris was sixth because he'd also
been overtaken by Alex Albon later on that first lap,
which was unseen by the TV cameras, So.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Should he have sat there, you know, sat it out
for that first.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Lap knowing that you're probably going to have a car
it's certainly a entire advantage in that weather in Miami
where the McClaren works better in hot conditions.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
We've seen that.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Or you know, do you let the emotion of a
first corner, first lap overtake get in the way of
what you probably should be doing in that particular car.
That was interesting for me. And again we're not going
to know the answer to this, but how does Oscar
Piastri play that?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Now?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
We saw a very very different set of circumstances in
Saudi where Piastre got fantastic start and for stuff and
didn't give the first corner up and copt the penalty
for it. But given the car advantage, they had a
little short side of.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Maybe, yeah, it's actually put to me the sort of
anything today. The question of how the mentality will change
once you know the championship really starts to boil down.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
It's a long way away obviously, and.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The risk taking approach, and it really depends on how
early a the McLaren drivers want to admit to themselves
that it's just between them, But by that same token,
they still has to be risk taking, right because it's
going to be very close between them. We've got dichotomy here, right,
Like Lando took risks that were probably a little bit
against him in terms of odds. Piastre's risks all seemed
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to be or he makes them in his favor.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I suppose, yes.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I wonder how that'll play out over time, but eighteen
more rounds to find out, plenty of time. Let's move
on now, though, to move of the week, brought to
you by Shannon's to my mind, Matt, with only one
Grand Prix obviously of the course of the weekend, but
it's you been Supercars coming up this weekend. There was
really only one move for this category. That was the
(16:00):
move for the lead from Oscar Piastri on Max for
Staff and for all the reasons I've already talked about.
Really it was decisive, it was analytical. I think the
way he approached it we have a direct comparison with
Teammatelando Norris. He was certainly much cleaner, it was faster.
It was everything we know about Oscar Piastri in the
way he wins races and it's extended his championship league.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
And it was a move down the inside of Max Fastadi,
not on the outside, because if you try and pass
Max to staffin on the outside of a corner, there's
a fair chance you'll be getting acquainted with a runoff
on the outside of said corner. But low hanging fruit
by you, but a good choice. I'm going a little
left field here because I like doing this to you. Yes,
I'm saying move of the week is probably Olioaks, the
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Alpine team principalcanning his post race press availability at the
last minute and high tailing it for the jet to
go back to Europe.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
At the same time, that story.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Started to emerge that perhaps Jack Dowin's tenure at Alpine
was looking a little shaky. Now, I don't want to
link one with the other here, but it's not too
if that's the reason he's canceled the post race availability,
no good. Yeah, but there's a wider story here, isn't
here with Jack doing because then he's looking a little tenuous.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, not for the first time this season. But the
reports are recording this on Monday night from the website
the Race, that Alpin's seriously considering removing Jack from the
cockpit to replace him with reserve driver Franco Colopinto. Now,
if you cast your minds back to the preseason, there
was already a rumor to that effect that it would
have been done before the Miami Grand Prix. Obviously that
didn't happen. And Jack's been confident every time I've spoken
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to him, certainly and every time he spoken to the media,
that these rumors are just noise, that they're without foundation.
He's got the season because that's what's in his contract,
and Franco's contract is that he's a reserve driver. So
it's not the first time this story has come up,
but certainly there are a series of factors here that
have alluded to it. There was a rumor on Friday
which the team attempted to quash because of a hot
mic moment from one of Franco Colobindow's major sponsor, the
(17:51):
Argentine Oil Company, saying that he would be in the
car for Riumuler, which is the next race. The sponsor
walked that back and said, that's just what they wanted
to seek for me. And this is something Oliver Oaks,
the team principle, has done all year, is that he
only went.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Five percent of the way of questioning the rumor.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
He said, yes, it's all noise, and then he used
the political language that today Jack is our driver, which
is something you never really want to hear and does
seem a little bit concerning. I mean, there's two ways
of looking at it.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
There have been rumors all year and they haven't come true.
But this seems like a fresh rumor and a couple
of elements that seem to make it added.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Up ninety to ninety five percent is kind by you. Yeah,
but look, this whole season has been this non endorsement,
endorsement of a driver that Alpine has poured a lot
of money and time into testing a previous Cars program.
He was basically set up to stumble from the moment
that he got the gig the last race of last year,
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let alone the start of this year. It was being
spun that, well, it'll be good to get him in
the car and getting used to a race weekend and
estabanock On's off to Haarsen, it's all fine. I'm not
sure he was ever really put in a position to
maximize what it is that he could or could not
do in this car. But if you're saying that you
know is our driver today, if this is a decision
that perhaps has been arrived at because of lap one
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of one race, six races into the season, then it
surely isn't that. It's surely something that's been decided well beforehand.
I don't think you can have this as the straw
that broke the camel's back. You know, Jack's had some
good performances. You have qualified Pierre Ghastly for a Grand
Prix for the first time. Alpine's not been particularly good
anyway anywhere and doesn't matter who's driving it. But there
are green shoots of progress there. But the whole time
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it's felt that he's sort of on death row with this,
and if that's the decision that tips him out, I'm
not really sure everyone's been completely honest here.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, I mean fundamentally whether or not this rumor is true.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The fact that no one's been able to all season,
including this weekend, categorically deny it, whether they leave early
from the race weekend or not. I think he's just
kind of ordinary from the team for a driver. Again,
like you say that it's invested a lot of money
and it's their junior driver. You know, there is president
for rookies being dropped early, but Jack has not been
anyway need boad enough to be dropped earlier. There have
been signs that you say, green shoots that he's actually doing.
(20:03):
Okay's one light pace is pretty good certainly from expectations.
It will be a pity if that were to come true.
But like we said, like Jack will tell you, there
are in a lot of rumors this season that haven't
come true. In fact, he kind of predicted this. He said, well,
now that I'm here in Miami, there's gonna be another room.
I'm going to be replaced by the next trace, and
low and behold, there has been but not that right.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
There certainly have.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Been reports from reputable sources, and we'll have to wait
and see. In a fourth to night's fortnight's time for
the Amdia Romagna Grand Prix. But Matt, let's move on.
We'll move backwards to the Miami Grand Prix again because
there's a broad a picture here beyond the drivers championship.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
But that is McLaren's domination of this Grand Prix.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
It was more than half a minute over the next
quickest car, which was George Russell's Mercees and he was
also no one usedly unfortunate, but look at the VSC
at various points. In short, he got up to third.
I think the gap probably could have been more than that.
In other circumstances, and it begs a question where six
rounds in at the quarter point of the season good
a point is any to take a little bit of
stock before we hit into that long European leg of
the campaign which has Canada in it. For some reason
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about how the season is going. In terms of the teams,
we expect that to be four front running teams. They
kind of are McClaren's ahead of all of them, no,
pretty confidently. This was its biggest winning margin of the season,
more than twice as large as its previous one, which
was the Barrangn pri which Oscar also won. Kind of
makes you wonder what the point for the other teams are.
I want to go through them really briefly, and then
(21:21):
I also want to highlight Ferrari here because they'd a
story on their own.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Maxstappen took pole.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It's only interesting statistic because he's the most successful pole
getter of the season so far. He's got four from
six really good over one lap or and McLaren drives
a bit sketchy over one lap. But Red Bull modice
board advisor Helmet Marco called it depressing and an example
of the real speed of the McLaren car.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Is that the case for Red Bull Racing?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, obviously Max has been free to speak his mind
so far this year and often has. But where is
it the poll or is it the race performance? For
you that's more representative.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's not been depressing for one weekend, it's been depressing
six rounds. Really, what Max is doing is what the
true greats do, and that you are transcending the natural
performance of a car. And you can do that over
one lap, but you can't do it over three hundred.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
And five kilometers. It's not possible.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
What he's doing on Saturdays at the moment is one
of my favorite storylines of the season because it's ridiculous
in a lot of respects is that car has no
business in terms of quality being at the front of
the grid. What Max is doing is outperforming the machinery
by a massive, massive extent. So that's a great storyline,
but it's also not particularly sustainable in terms of you're
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always sitting yourself up to be disappointed in the Grand
Prix because you're doing amazing things. And yes, the McLaren
guys have made a couple of mistakes here and there,
and we saw that in Japan. That was race defining.
It's the reason that the Stapen won that race because
he took a brilliant poll on Saturday and at a
circuit where you can't really pass, make no mistakes, and
that's the difference, whereas other tracks where you can overtake.
The McLaren advantage is so great at the moment. But
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you mentioned Miami, it was the perfect storm of track layout, temperature,
no one else really being in the mix to fight
for anything. And I think the wide part of this
conversation now is and we've discussed this before on the pod,
it's part of this maturity of rule set where there's
a lot of teams that have one eye or perhaps
if you're Aston Martin, both eyes and every other body
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part on twenty twenty six, and this massive rule change.
The incentive for other teams that are trailing McLaren right
now other than Redbaurn will get to that to really
push on with twenty twenty five at the expense of
twenty six is basically zero. Red Bull is different here
because we suspect there are performance clauses in Max for
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Stapfen's contract that he may be able to wriggle himself
out of so he should, you know, if he wants
to do that. If Red bulline in a certain position
in drivers and Constructors' championships, they have probably the best
driver in Formula One right now. I think Max is
driving perhaps better than he's ever driven right now, and
he scored ninety nine of their one hundred and eight
points by himself. It's crazy, but nobody else is hugely
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incentivized to push with the developing a car, and Williams
are an interesting conundrum here and get to them. So
you've got McClaren with two drivers in terrific form. They've
clearly hit the sweet spot with that car, and you've
got a maturity of rule set that the incentive for
someone else to invest a lot of time, effort and
money momentum to try and bridge that gap is dwindling
by the week. And so I think we're going to
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have a really exciting drivers Championship, but the Constructors Championship,
let's be honest, that thing's done.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, I want to contrast perhaps even those two teams.
Mercedes has always been thereabouts, had a little bit of a
wobble last time out. George Russell got another podium though
he's driving a really high level, fantastic level.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
We'll get to.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Andrea cami out to know it a little bit later
on as well, because he certainly deserves to mention.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
After this weekend.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
We contrasted with Ferrari because Ferrari is the team that
probably ended last year as fastest challenge with the Constructors Championship,
fell fourteen points short and really thought, and I certainly
thought a lot of people did, that they would kick
on in a way McLaren would have as well.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
This year.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
No one expected mcarn to dominate like this, and no
one certainly expected Ferrari to be this bombastic. I know
that sounds strange because it is Ferrari, but they seemed
like they were getting they're act together and this year
has felt like a little bit of a step backwards.
They were the fifth fastest car this weekend, behind Williams,
as you mentioned, behind Alex Albon in the race, and
then also qualifying behind as well Lewis. Hamilton had a
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particularly poor qualifying in twelve by position, but actually this
was one of his closest races to Charlotte Clair in
terms of qualifying time after those depressing races in the
Middle East and in Japan actually has closed the gap,
and you could tell from his body language was much
happy this weekend, but the result just wasn't. There was
also marred by totally unnecessary team order debate over radio,
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where it made two team orders, one to swap Lewis
Hamilton ahead of the Claire and then to swap them back,
and the result was that neither of them caught Antonelli towards.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
The end of the race.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
To talk of that question about surely it's about twenty
twenty six now Ferrari must have absolutely or does it
have motivation to continue pressing because it's so upsetting the
results for Ferrari fans at this point or is it
really just twenty six has to.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Be hear well.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I think the good news was that they were so
irrelevant in this case that we didn't have to see
that god awful livery that they brought out from Miami
too often on their TV, So that was good. But look,
the good news is their two drivers are only three
seconds apart of the checkered flag. The bad news is
that Leclaire was fifty seven seconds off and Lowis Hamilton
was a full minute off.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
The wins.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
So they are just positioned absolutely nowhere at the moment,
and so because it's Ferrari, we expect better. And then
just the indecision and the mixed messaging and Lewis Hamilton
had the sarcasm button going on full blast through the
Miami Grand Periri's you know, would you like me to
let Carlos science passed as well? Like it was really
on good form in that respect. But it's a car
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that we discussed this on last week's podcast. I think
Charlotte Claire is making that car do things that it
probably shouldn't. Lewis Hamilton is getting adjusted to a new
team and a new culture, and you knew everything for
this season. If this is the pain you have to
go through to make twenty six more palatable, that's the
only thing that gives Ferrari a pass right now, because
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if you're judging this in isolation, with the driver lineup
they've got and the resource that they have, this is
dreadful right now. And you mentioned being outpaced by Williams
and this is not nineteen ninety seven, Like this is
a conversation that was legitimate back when Mika hacken And
was doing his three straight three straight racers for McLaren.
That's a legit conversation that hasn't been a legit conversation
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for years. But there was nothing in that race weekend
in Miami where you looked at Williams and said, this
is a product of good luck for Williams or circumstance.
They were better than Ferrari on merit in every measure,
and that's not a sentence that we should be saying
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yes, Williams, interestingly enough, very much a side narrative to
this race, had their own team orders to barcle about
holding station and overtake. That happened when it shouldn't have.
I liked car this should have been overtaken. Carlos Signs's
attempt to pass out on the last my goodness, you've
been plowing him into the war and shocked they both
made it to the checker place.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
It was one of those race weekends where teammates were
at each other the whole time.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I'm just hoping that you and I can get.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Through this podcast or given kneecappy on the way out
of this, I think, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, I think for just to sum up on the
Ferrari thing. I think you're right. If this is all
about twenty twenty six, then sometimes you've got a great
teeth at twenty four grand PERI in the season and
get it done. But I think for me, what's more
concerning the car pace, because you're right, it's the end
of the regulations. We're at this funny stage is regulations
we're getting. Any performance is really difficult. They've got an
upgrade coming for him Miller. Of course they do. It's
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one of their home races, and maybe that'll at least
make the performance more respectable, because I think that's all
they can really aim for at this point. I'm not
expecting a massive revolution in terms of performance, but it's
that operational sharpness we'd come to get used to last
year where we thought, oh, this is the version of
Fray that's going to do it because they've got their
house in order in a way they hadn't for many years.
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That has felt like a step backwards this year. And
I don't want to doubt Fred Vasser because he's got
runs on the board.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
He did the job last year, like the job had
been done. It it is possible to do that job.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
But the fact that it's happened this year when it
should be preparation, when they should be proving they've got
to riding together.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
You're still here in the year. But that for me
is just a little bit concerning. I think a little.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Bit, and look, I will I often wonder if Vasso
says this all the time, You do wonder how much
of the broadcast of the radio chat is done purely
for you know, cue the Benny Hill music, he Goo
Ferrari again, a bit of that sort of thing. But
at the very least, this season needs to be getting
LaClair and Hamilton to work well together, get Lewis accustomed
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to the team incomfortable, and be operationally sharp. For when
you get this blank sheet of paper for twenty six,
at least you're starting from a point where you might
be able to do something.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
If we're still.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Floundering around with operational things and confusing mixed messages across
the radio and no one knows whether they're coming or going.
This is what the next eighteen races are for Ferrari,
because short of some remarkable circumstance, they're not going to
win one, and you'll have the odd outlier. Charlt Clair
will put it on Pole somewhere probably backoop. Yeah, yeah,
all Monica, one of those two, and there'll be the
odd outlier performance. But in terms of where they are
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right now, I just never thought that I would see
the day where Williams would be out performing Ferrari on
merit in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
But here we are, remarkable, said boy of the regulations.
Went for one more year. That's not very interesting, Matt.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Before we wrap up this, though, we must go to
the crystal ball from a complete home filtration, Thank you
very much. I'm hoping we'll get a crystal ball in
the studio at some point. Technically don't exist, which is
why we don't have one, but maybe we can get something.
I'm going to make my prediction. Of course, we can
choose any timeframe we like, so I'm just going to
choose the next Formula One Grand Prix, which of course
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is at Imola, which is Andrea Kimi Antonelli's home race,
born in Bologna, only down the road. I think this
will finally be his first podium after the near miss
of Miami twice in the sprint and in the Grand Prix.
He was really impressive this weekend. He's been very good
all season without having these wildly impressive results, been more
than good enough for the gamble Mclintmrceades has taken to
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put him into the car.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
But this was the first.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Weekend where I think you really or why they did
it because from the very first day and this was
a sprint format, which means drivers is really at a
premium to be ho it immediately, and he was had
Russell's number pretty much the whole weekend, willing to say, Okay,
the race didn't go his way, but there was some
strategy elements to it.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Obviously got that sprint pole.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Extremely irritating because I don't know how to statistically treat that.
You want to if you want to call him the
youngest of a pole, get it, I'm not sure technically yes,
but anyway he got it. He got it done regardless,
but couldn't get the result in either day, partly because
that battle with Piastri then, as I said, with strategy,
but I think he'll get it done in Italy.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Imagine the result.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Imagine an Italian on a podium in Italy, and of
all tracks, look, I love Monza as well, but Imola
maybe the last year of himaler As well, that's news
I expect we'll get in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I think that would be enormous, a fantastic story and
something that would be as impressive as George Russell has
been this year. And you can see that reflected in
the points table. He's probably overachieved statistically compared to where
he's been on track a lot of the time. The
thing that's so impressive about Antonelli is that none of
it looks like it's any trouble, completely unfazed and unbothered,
and I'm eighteen and this is fine, And it's almost
(32:04):
like he expects to be there, but not in an
arrogant way. He's just confident that he's got the ability
and the machinery to do it. And as you said before,
one hundred percent justifies the decision to put him in there.
Super bright future, and I do like the crystal Wall prediction.
It would be a good story and I'm all for
cheering for the narrative because that's what we do. But
(32:24):
crystal Ball time I mentioned before, Oscopiastri six Grand Prix wins,
Daniel Ricardo eight, Mark Webber nine, the second most successful
Australian driver in history of Formula One is Alan Jones
twelve Grand Prix wins, although A. J. Tellio's thirteen nineteen
eighty SPECIs Grand Prix. Look it up on Google Kids
if you don't know. My prediction is by the end
of this season, Oscar Piastri is going to be the
(32:45):
second most successful driver Australian driver in.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
The history of Formula One.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
It's a great core, which means that he needs to
win what's seven well, but he needs to win seven
more Grand Prix with eighteen to go in the strongest
car in the field in what's looking like a two
driver championship. So Jack Braben won fourteen rond Prix, is
that out of the question here? He would need to
(33:09):
win nine of the last eighteen races. He would be
totally half of correct, absolutely in play.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I reckon I think it is.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I mean, look, which is wild, but I mean I
also speaks. This is a digression we've got right up.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
But to the number of races we've got, Like we
talked about these records historically, you can talk about win percentage.
Although I would believe in win percentages, it must just
be up there being his third campaign, but the fact
you could completely overrun the win record of a historically
iconic driver.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
In yes, okay, this season has more races than about
three of Jacks probably whole career.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah, just about.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
But that's absolutely it's wild to say, yes it is.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I look, i'd be it's your crystal, Paul.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I'm just surprised if he didn't surpass Allener or get
to Alan Jones' record seven wins. Seems absolutely it's less
than half. Like you say in a car that should
buy rides with every Grand Prix for the rest of
the year. You know, maybe you throw Monaicne as an
outlier and maybe back or whatever.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
It seems like it should be possible.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
We've had four and about eight weeks, so.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
This lad he would comfortably become the most successful me.
He could win three championships this year.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well that note, that's all the time we have for
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course in Moto GP, it's a French motorcycle Grand Prix
at Lemon, a very big weekend motorsport, the weekend off
(34:38):
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