September 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Oscar Piastri controlled the Dutch Grand Prix for a deserved victory but lucked into a massive points swing when Lando Norris retired from second place with engine trouble. Now 34 points up the road, is it Piastri's championship to lose?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.
On today's episode, Oscar Piastree takes a thirty four point
lead in the championship after victory at the Dutch Grand Prix,
and after Lando Norris retires with a power unit problem,
and Isaac Hadjar collects his first Formula One podium to
reassert himself as the second best Red bull Backs driver
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of twenty twenty five. My name is Michael Lamonado. It's
great to have your company and the company of my
co host respectfully. He has his Union Jack flying at
half mast. It's mac Clayton.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Michael. I would like to say at this point that
Oscar Piastre won the Grand Prix, and if you look
at the Digi flag behind the podium, there is a
Union Jack on the podium, ha ha, just above just
with all of those stars that make up the rest
of the Australian flag. But yes, there was a slightly
black armbands tone going on with the Sky Sports coverage.
After things have gone a little bit of rifle landover.
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I'm sure we'll get to discuss that in the next
what six hundred thousand milliseconds of this podcast that are
coming up, or if we're measuring things in milliseconds, or
as the rest of the motor racing world likes to
call it, thousandths of a second. But no matter how
you addressed it up, Oscar Piastre was the dominant man
in Zandwort and yeah, what a turn in the championship table. Huh.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, it's a remarkable series of events after a week
of building up. How this championship was definitely going down
to the wire and be lucky to get back to
double digit differences in the championship tally. Well, here we
are more than one race victory ahead for Oscar Piastre
and Lando Norris, with it all to do, as they
might say, to reclaim the lead, to get back into
contention with nine rounds to go. I want to start
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with Piastre though, before we consider the state of the championship,
because he now has nine career victories, equaling Mark Weber's
career tally in about a third of the time. As
it happens, Thur to the race starts very well, he said,
I got seven wins Tonoris's five for the season, five
poles to four, and he's collected his first Grand Slam
or for the traditionalists among us his first Grand shalem
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Hove pronounced that correctly, victory from Pole. That's after victory
for Pole, having led every lap, fastest lap of the race,
and then of course winning the Grand Prix. Matt, you
love a good statistic, and this is rare for Australians,
rare than I expected.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Very rare, and so rare that at about one point
fifteen or Monday morning Australian time, I was pinging you
this on WhatsApp because I couldn't quite believe what my
eyes were showing me. Last time at Australian did that,
So pol let every lap won the race, Sir Jack Brabham,
Great Britain, nineteen sixty six. That's how far back we're
going since an Australian has had a level of dominance
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over one particular Grand Prix that Piastre had on Sunday.
And I think maybe I'm partly surprised that it's been
that long, and I'm also partly surprised that it happened
here because we spent a lot of last week's podcast,
and you spent a lot of time writing for Fox
Sports dot com dot Au that this was like an
away game for Oscar Piastre in a lot of respects.
It's a circuit where Norris has been so good, he's
been so fast, and even the course the way the
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weekend played out, if you looked at the opening practice sessions,
it looked very much part of the course in that
it felt to me like it was going to be
a damage limitation weekend for Piastre in that yes, okay,
if you can qualify on the front row, that's great.
If he can only seed seven points in a Lando
Norris this weekend, that's actually a pretty good result because
there will be races that tracks that suit him better.
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And then in the end, absolutely brilliant first lap in
Q three, those twelve milliseconds at SkySports were wishing could
go away, but which meant that Lando Norris started second,
and then that just unlocked everything that happened in the race.
With Norris not holding that position off the start and
Piastri being completely perfect. You would have to say, I'm
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struggling to think of a wobble or something that went
wrong or a safety car restart. He's just absolutely lights
out when he gets into this sort of position, and
we've seen that over the course of this season. I
guess the surprising part for me and I'm sure for
you was that he was doing it here because he
hasn't had a particularly good track record at Zambault in
the past.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, and this is the thing I've been saying. The
aftermath of this race is, of course the championship points
is significant, like that's going to be the big takeaway
from this grand pre perhaps to the end of the season.
But it's actually the victory he was on track for
even before Norris retired, that I think was the most impressive, because,
like you said, this is a track that, relative to Norris,
he's been weak at. He's only been the sport for
three years, but the last couple of years, and last
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year in particular, when he was coming to the end
of what was actually really quite a successful run through
the European rounds, he was the highest scoring driver in Europe.
And yet this race was was a pretty big weakness.
It was a race where you could sort of see
the pace last year but couldn't string it together this
year completely the opposite. Despite starting on the back foot,
with Norris having looked to me between two and three
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tenths of a second advantage, through the practice sessions. He
peaked at the right time. I think those were his
words in qualifying and I liked actually the way that
he talked about how he closed that gap because the
assumption has been and the reality has been as well.
And this is the case in teammate battles that you know,
you get to the end of Friday, you look at
the deficit, you are two tenths. You look at what
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the other guy in the next door garage is doing differently,
and you try to incorporate that into your game the
next and make those gains and close that gap. Gastri
tried that through Friday, couldn't really do what Norris was
doing this particularly turns nine and ten and a little
bit the Chicane after Friday, and then decided, actually, what
I'm going to do is see what I'm doing well
and just do them better. And the result was We've
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got two drivers setting fundamentally the same lap time but
in different ways, with different strengths and weaknesses. And I
thought that was really interesting because that's sort of what
we want to see for the rest of the year.
Two different drivers, different approaches battling for the championship. That
made the difference for him.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, yeah, completely all the way you phrase that, you know,
do the good stuff better, And it's not this case
of absolute it's like, well, I have done the best
possible job that I can do in this particular corner
or this particular sector. It's like, rather than trying to
chase something that you may not be able to attain
because of car set up and driving style, let's just
shave around the edges of the stuff that I'm doing
really well. That's one aspect of this. The second aspect
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is the delivery of it. And we know now there's
enough evidence to show that when the spotlight is super
super bright, he's not normally the guy that waivers or
buckles or has an emotional response. You know, we've joke
in the past that there is a slightly robotic nature
to the way that he goes about his racing and
the way that he reacts to his racing. But in
the situations like that where it seems that you have
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everything to lose and may well have already lost that,
I think that temperament aspect of what it is that
he does is super impressive and also just not surprising anymore.
It's not surprising to him, it's not surprising to us.
We expect this to happen now, and you know, yes, obviously,
it's incredibly unfortunate luck for Norris to have a failure
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so close to home where he was a nailed on
second place and McLaren are just you know, they think
they were going to be onto their fifth straight one too.
They're in a different category at the moment. But this
wasn't a win that went begging for Norris. There's none
of this. We're not going to use the word robbed
on this podcast, but I think Sky Sports have robbed
that used the allocation of the word robbed for this
week for use that one. This was done, This was
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done before Norris had the DNF, and I think that's
the most impressive part about all of this. But we
did touch on this last week, and we also touched
on with Alex Jakes in our mid season podcast. You
look at the tracks where Piastre was weak, and I am
using air quotes here because some of them he was
actually perfectly fine, just not as good as his teammate.
The gap that he's been able to bridge this year,
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thinking places like China where he was a bit lost
the first time we went there. That's a pretty weird
sort of a track, let's be honest, but so so
much better there this year. And this is just another
example of that where it feels like his learning curve
at the perceived week points has been almost vertical this year.
That's a good sign for the future because he's able
to make really really big gains really really quickly. But
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I think it also accentuates the tracks where we know
he's going to be strong. It's very hard right now
to what's the weakness you can pick at, and yeah,
we know he's on this unbelievable run of reliability. Now
it's now the second longest finishing streak of races in
Formula one history. He's finished his last forty three Grand
Prix and obviously if he was to get to the
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end of the year without a DNF, then that's going
to break the all time record, which is forty eight
that Lewis Hamilton had a few years ago. So there
is a degree of fortune in all of that, and
that the same issue that Befel Norris could have Befallen
pat Piastri or may do in the future. But in
terms of the things that he can control where's the
weakness right now? There doesn't really seem to be one.
In the past, it was time management, then it was
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ultimate qualifying pace. Every year he just puts another one
of these weaknesses to bed. And you know, is a
thirty four point championship lead a little bit unrepresentative. Yeah,
you'd have to say so. But in terms of the
fact that he has the lead and he's had it
since Saudi Arabia, then that's absolutely as the championship should
be right now.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, there's something in the fact that many of his
wins this year have been the tracks that he's been
so poor at relatively in previous years. You mentioned China
there one this weekend Japan was another one, because that's
a high tie wear track. Finished in that lead group.
Nim McLaren won, but finished in that lead group of
three behind Max withstaff and so did well enough at
a minimum to show those difficulties had been eliminated. Spain
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he won quite comfortably. Their Netherlands he's won now and
one pretty comprehensively or on a trajectory that was clear,
that was not fortunate, that was not circumstantial. That in
itself is quite interesting when we consider assessing where any
weaknesses are. And I think the flip side of this
as well. This is his first pole position since the
Spanish Grand Prix, which is a little while in that
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period of time was when Norris appeared. Thanks to that
McLaren changed the front suspension that that's helped him regain
some feeling, has stopped making those qualifying areas. We haven't
seen a Norris qualifying era for a while, and that's
interesting to me because there was this perception I suppose
not totally incorrect, but that Norris would be that little
bit ahead in the way many people expected if he
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stopped making mistakes, and he stopped making mistakes in Piastre's
lead hasn't been has been eaten into before this weekend,
hasn't been eliminated, and is now much larger and would
have been larger regardless of the DNF because Piastrew is
on track to win a race that Norris should have
in his one hundred percent form, let's call it should
have been able to win. And it also makes you
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think about the outlook for this season now, something we
did talk about last week, but if Norris no longer
has strongholds like this circuit, in the context of him
now needing to win quite a few Grand Prix to
get back level, it's hard to imagine that part. He
could come out and win several races because it is
still close between them, and if every situation is roughly
fifty to fifty, then you could by luck win a
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lot of them. But it's hard to chart a course.
I guess in a logical way if you like to
see how Norris can get on that role when he
can't be overwhelming at a track like Zandvort.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
The two things that he has in his favor. As
I done my sky Sports Blazer here, you mentioned there's
still nine rounds to go. There's so long to go,
and there's so many points up for grabs. That's one thing,
and realistically on pace there's no one in the same
conversation right now. It's funny, isn't it that Max Forstappen,
four time reigning world champion, Max for Stappan, he's now
what I'd call a disruptor. That's literally what he's become.
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He's just become Formula one's great up to in that
he knows and we know and Red bullno, and everyone
knows that on actual merit and on pace. He hasn't
got a prayer of beating these two McLaren's right now,
but he can make it interesting and he can throw
you know, a couple of monkey wrenches in there, and
you know, we'll talk about it a little bit later.
I thought he maximized every opportunity that he had, and
there weren't many of them over the course of the
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weekend to get himself where it got himself. But he's
now cast in the role of disruptor and there's no
one else anywhere else that's got a car or form
or the ability to be able to muscle in on that.
So Piastre, there's a roadmap to the title here where
he can't back his way into the title. Piastre, there's
still too many races still to go, but the chance
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of other teams and drivers being real interlopus and really
getting in the fire, other than maybe a few races
that could be track specific or you know, somewhere like
Brazil when it rains. Wherever Stappens has just been a
complete genius for years. There's so many races still for
Norris to go, but there's not enough other cars potentially
to upset Piastre. So Piastre can have an inverted Cobbas
not great race and probably fifty second a few times.
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And now because he has a thirty four point championship lead,
he can actually afford one or two of those. But
you look at the approach for Piastre from now on,
and this is not We're too far away from the
end of the season for him to start sort of
plagued defensively to sort of play out time. If there
were four to five races to go and we're still
in this position, then maybe, But right now the approach
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has just got to be Okay, great, I've got this
thirty four point championship lead. I had that race one anyway.
So Monza, to use a favorite McLaren press, really saying,
we go again, and that's what we'll do. Just keep
doing the same thing, the same thing, the same thing,
because it's led him to a pretty advantageous position right now.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I want to throw some maths at you. I do
like writing these sorts of pieces. I'm not convinced we're
ready to write this piece yet, but it's interesting nonetheless
in the context, because let's assume that McLaren can or
does finish one two for the rest of the season
the majority of races. I think it probably will, but
there are a couple of curveball tracks coming up. Vegas
in my mind's probably the biggest one, and maybe Brazil
and to a lesser extensing Repoor. Well, we'll talking about
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a little bit later on. But assuming those one two finishes,
Piastre needs to win three more Grand Prix and then
Norris's fate will be out of his hands. Piastri can
finish second for the rest of the season, for the
rest of the year and win the title. This excludes sprints,
but I think from my mats the you know, it's
only three points between one and two in the sprints,
and I think it's still accounts for that. I think
it still works.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So are you trying to make sprints sound you're trying
to make sprints sound relevant?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Day is that we're doing more non effectual and all
the sprints, of course are backloaded right at the end
of the season, which is frustrating. But Norris to do
the same, we'll need to win seven Grand Prix. That
would be him with one hand on the trophy. You
need to win five just to level up. It would
be one point ahead. I think if you won the
next five Grand Prix with Piastre in second, so that's
the mountain to climb to win the championship. We now
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can count our way towards the title the various parts.
That's a big difference in the number of wins. Like
you say, it's too far into the future, and there
are enough chances for at least Backs to stappen, and
maybe it's some circuit some other drivers to interfere, and
then suddenly you know, the difference between first and third
is ten points, which is quite a lot when you
start to think about it. That's part of the reason
Piastre is able to close the gap at the start
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of the year as well, so quickly, one or two
cars is enough to make a massive difference.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, and the other thing before you get off this
real quick, the stat that I mentioned before about the
pastre finishing record that he's got. I'm a little bit
surprised how underplayed that is being at the moment, because
it feels to me, like, you know, it's that odd
saying in most sports, it's like, you know, with every
consecutive win, you're closer to your next loss. It feels
a little bit like that, And it's if you're going
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to have the loss the DNF in this instance, when
do you want to have it? Because if you're talking
about you know, there's nine rounds left to go, and
if Piastre was to finish every one of those races,
that is the longest run of consecutive race finishes in
the history of Formula one. That's what we're talking about here.
We're not just talking about for one or two seasons.
We're talking about seventy five years of Formula one here.
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So you know, assuming that he doesn't set a historical
marker here, when do you want the dn F? Because
it be one of those things like it wouldn't be
the worst thing ever happened, suitor, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yes, well, I mean the good thing, because I can't
remember if we were talking about this in last week's
podcast or just between you and I mat during the week.
But you do get that sense that, well, that's now
hanging over his head a little bit, that that statistic
could be coming, but now he has it in his pocket.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
The fact that Norris has had the DNF first takes
the pressure off that statistic a little bit. Whether or
not it's fulfilled completely.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You've got the Mulligan. You can just choose when to
play it.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yes, exactly right, and you don't know. Maybe you played
at that one race McLaren, much like a Norris's DNF
in Canada, the one race where McLaren isn't winning and
the points difference is minimized. So it will be interesting
to see if that plays out, or whether piastrian a
title in a season that would presumably deliver him the championship.
If he gets to the end of the year without
a DNF or a failure to score sets records along
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the way. Already setting many Australian records, could well set
the Australian record for all time victories. I think'm wrote
and saying because he's nine ye now, yes he could,
absolutely he could. Plenty of races to go. It will
be fascinating to see where he ends this sea. Let's
move now, Matt to Move of the Week brought to
you by Shannons for the Dutch Grand Prix. Not traditionally
a track where there are many moves to in Move
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of the Week, but I think there were enough to
my mind. In fact, there were two that could qualify
here and there are two of us, so why don't
you go first?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, I'm going to cave out this by saying, when
you go through the classification for this race, a lot
of stuff happened in this Grand Prix to a lot
of people. It's not one of those races we go
that guy finished twelfth, nothing happened to him. That's fine.
Now you're saying that there's two of us, and there's
at least two moves. I actually have one normal move
and one very left field one. So I think you
should go first because if you choose the one that
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i'm because I've got a left field one for you
that I'd like to deploy if it lends itself to
that way. So what have you got?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Very good? I can take my pick between them. In
that case, I'm going to go for Charlotte Clair on
George Russell. Technically an illegal move in my opinion, yes,
but a great one. It was all four wheels off
the line at the Chicane. But what I liked about this,
and it almost the second part of it is almost
when lecler gets taken out of the race by Andrea
kim Antonelli afterwards, but wasn't too angry about it, because
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he said, at a track like this, you just have
to try something on and they're not all going to
be pulled off. He was quite sanguine about it, I
suppose you could say, but I like the way that
he knowing he knew, had the pace. You can't just
rely on the DRS at the end of turn one
because it's not always going to work the way this
track's laid out. It's not one of the more effective
DRS zones round the outside better on the brakes. I
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think the reason why this probably could have been allowed legal,
other than the fact that neither driver bothered to really
push the point because of what happened afterwards, is that
I think he was still in control and would have
made the track had Russell not beither I know the
racing rules or like Carla signs some opinions on the
application of the racing rules, suggests still he should he
was in the role. But I just thought it was
so well pulled off and so aggressive and such a
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great move for this track and showed a little bit
in one week before once I just showed a little
bit of life in the Ferrari. I enjoyed that move.
I thought it was great. I thought it was a
highlight of the race, and that's my movie of the week.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I enjoyed that he went for it. I think it's
almost like it's the thought that co outs see him, Michael,
because I like that, you know this is it always
serves up an interesting race because of weather and corner
configurations and what have you. Just quietly it's a bit
of a rubbish racetrack because you can't actually race there
with modern day Formula line cars because the car's too
big and the circuits too narrow and so on and
so forth. Looks wonderful on TV. So when you get
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one of these moves, even the prospect of a move
like this, you oh, look at this, because that's not
something you would expect to see at this particular track.
So I do enjoy that it didn't actually make my
short list of too funnily enough, as good as it
was interesting, because in the honorable mentions category, I'm going
to say Max Forstappen's lap one where he got past
Lado Overs into second place and just about lost the car.
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And I thought at the time, the audaciousness of the
audacity audacious, So speak English in a minute the audacity
of being able to pull that move off. I'm not
sure that's a move that too many other drivers would
have actually had the balls to go for a little
load the skill to be able to so that was
absolutely outstanding. But you probably are going to like where
I'm going to go here. Move of the week for
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me is Lance Stroll go on. This is a move
of the week for me because he was so bad
that he crashed twice as started last and so that
springboarded him to naturally a seventh place finish and ahead
of his teammate in the World Championship standings despite being
down fifteen zero in qualifying for the season. Somehow Lance
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Stroll is ahead of Fernando a lot. So with the
driver's standings, may I remind you there's another driver that's
fifteen zero up on their teammates this year in qualifying
and team mates is the key there, because it's been
two of them, Max for Stappan. The points gap between
Max for Stappen and his teammates this year is two
hundred and five points to twelve. So the fact that
Lance Stroll has basically just had his backside handed to
him for fifteen straight weekends crashes twice, lucks out, finishes
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seventh in the race and is ahead of Fernando a lot.
So with the standings that my friend is move of
the week, possibly move of the season.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That's very good. I like that. And if you want
to know how Fernando Alonzo took it, just on find
his post and he didn't take it well. I think
it would be fair to say, despite of course him
being contractually obliged to describe Lancetroll regularly as a world
champion in the making, wasn't happy to finish behind him
in the contract in which he finished behind him. And yes,
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I really loved the Vistaffan move as well. That was
my other one, and I reckon out of the twenty
drivers on the grid, nineteen other ones would have lost
it immediately and possibly wiped out Piastri if Fiastri was
one of the nineteen in the process. So I think
with staff an absolutely great contender. But I look, you
know what I'm willing if we would have to vote
between them every week, I'm willing to give it to
Lancetroll remarkably, this im perpetuity. Let's look at the racing
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a little bit more detail now, because it was one
other highlight among the results, and that was Isaac Kadja,
who finished third for his first Grand Prix podium, just
fifteen rounds into his career. We know he has the
speed that's been clear all season and was clear in
the junior categories as well, and we know as well
from the season, to be fair, that he has the racecraft,
but this was such an assured performance at a track. Okay,
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we're overtaking his difficult but had much faster cars behind
you and it was possible to overtake if you had
a big pace difference, as there should have been him
between let's say a Mercedes in a racing bulls car
a Ferrari in a rasing bulls car. But he managed
to hold on to fourth, which became third of course
when Lando Norris retired. And mad's probably worth reflecting on
where his season started, which was in the barriers on
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the formation lap, and here he is on the podium.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yes, you said fifteen rounds. Of course that's fourteen Grand
Prix because he didn't start his debut in Australia because
he managed to bin it on the way to the grid.
And we were half joking on Sunday saying, well, fourth
on the grid, fantastic qualifying lap, but you might get
a bit dizzy being that high on the grid and
you've got Max Fastappan next to you, which if you're
planning on being a Red Bull driver in the future,
you might give him a fairly wide berth at tw
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one and you've got two title contending McLaren's ahead of
you and nothing else on the grid. Oh boy, this
could be interesting. But he he never put a foot
wrong end. Look, yes, the podium was slightly inherited because
of what have happened to Norris, but in terms of
being able to cope with being that high up and
withwithstanding pressure and clearly the racing Bulls is not as
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good of a car as some of the cars that
were behind him, just so very very assured and so
the potentially bad news for isaat Kajaris. He's now being
considered as the second driver at Red Bull, which is
where most Formula One careers go to die at this point.
But he was absolutely fantastic and I love the I
always love the enthusiasm of a first time podium finisher.
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There's just something quite cool and raw about the whole thing.
I did enjoy that. I did not enjoy the Racing
Bulls press release, which I'm sure you've seen, and I
hope you've managed to block out of your mind. This
is trend, as we know, in a lot of social
media things these days, to just staple two completely unconnected
words together and come up with a brand new word.
So when I saw the word hadge odium written at
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the top of the Racing Bulls press release, I was swearing.
I was reading that in Hungarian or something, and I
had to ble a couple of times and go, oh, no,
they've stapled his part of his surname and the fact
he's been on the podium together and come up with
a word that I would never like to see or
say ever again. So bad form by Racing Balls on
that front. But we'll give them a we'll give them
a mulligan here, because they don't get on podiums very often.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
No, they don't have a lot of practice for that.
We'll just wait till he wins it and we get
them had victory.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yes, wonderful, tremendous. I am so old at this point.
I cannot tolerate this.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It is very good. It does a little a little
damp it on the end there and he broke his trophy,
which I didn't like either, because some of the we
should one day do a ranking of the trophies of
the Formula one calendar, because this is comfortably among the
top ones to break it. Oh dear, that is not
the hadjodium.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You'd want a rookie mistake.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Induede, that's quiet. It was a good result for him, obviously, unless,
of course, he's promoted to Red Bull racing anytime, and
it could possibly be bad result for him because he's
firming in that position now, isn't he, or at least
he is in the minds of those who are observing.
Because it was another weekend which he was the second
best red Bull backed driver behind Max Verstaffan Yuki Sonoda.
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I didn't have his worst weekend, to be fair to him,
I suppose, but also didn't have a particularly great one.
Didn't make it into Q three again. The gap to
Maxwistappen was half a second in Q two, which is
much larger than obviously he'd hoped for, but much larger
than the trend of the previous two rounds had suggested.
This is, of course, despite him having the upgrades that
or having most of the upgrades that Maxwis Staffin has.
(24:30):
In any case, did score points though for the first
time since the Emilia Romania cranfree in May, which is
just a remarkable statistic, but not great, not on the
level of Maxistappin. I guess you could say it's like,
in a global sense, a little bit improved to the trend.
But certainly considering we know and he's sort of said
as much for the second part of the season, is
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him fighting to be retained next year? This wasn't the
start he would have hoped for.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, And I'm looking at the Haja thing here in
the context of Christian Hauner not being at Red Bull
and and I'm just wondering if that this new Red
Bull era here you look at Lawson and you look
at Sonoda and whatever team they're driving for, they feel
a little bit just damaged by the whole experience because
Lawson was in, then he was out, and then he
was promoted, then he was demoted, and Sonoda's been up
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and down and that even wants him in Formula one.
And then you've got you know, Sergio Brews taking your
victory lap for how terrible the second how terrible the
car has been, and my career was much better in retrospect,
and so on and so forth. Hadja because he came
in with the second team and he hasn't gone up
and down yet, And now you know, it's a new
Red Bull to a degree, I wonder if there's almost
like you're not sort of tainted by a lot of
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the failures of some of these other guys in the past,
where they've gone up and down a little bit. There's
something a little bit more I don't know if innocent's
quite the right word, but it feels a little bit
more sustainable. And maybe the pressure point there is the
fact that the other cars now not winning races and
world championships, and maybe that's the difference here. Whoever ends
up in that second Red Bull seat next year, maybe
(25:59):
there's not this direct comparison to well, you better step
up because the guy on the other car has just
won every Grold pre nearly for a season, or he's
won four World championships in a row. Wonder if that
changes a job description a little bit, And you do
wonder if Sonoda now had Lawson before him, were a
little bit hamstrung by the fact that the expectations were
so high because of what the other car was doing,
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and the weight of recent history and red Bull and
Horner presiding all over these World championships. You do wonder
if the job descriptions a little bit different. But we
said this last week that Haja, of all the rookies
that came on this year, and there was an unusually
large number of them, he was probably the one that
we had the lowest expectations for. I would say not unfairly.
I think it's just the way it shook out. And
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even before the hadj odium he was ticking most boxes.
He's done a really, really good job the entire year.
So this result is yeah, bit of an outlier, but
probably in keeping with the fact that he's just been
seriously impressive the longer this season's gone on. Yeah, absolutely right,
we say had jotidium. I will never say it again.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
No, please feel free. In fact, I think we should
anytime anyone finishes on the podium used that naming convention.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Whatever their name is.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yes, I think that should work. I want to look
a little bit further down the order as well, because
this weekend, of course, is the Italian Grand Prix. It's
back to back. This concludes the European season, unless you
consider as a jant to be part of Europe. It's
up to you. I'm not going to wait until politics
very good. I think that's probably a fair conclusion. Not
a great weekend for Ferrari started quite poorly on Friday
with a total lack of pace. By Saturday, in qualifying
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they'd found some pace but were never really in contention
for pole or even the first couple of rows. But
at least both got both cars into Q three and
at least Lewis Hamilton looked a little bit back to
normal this weekend. He was in fact ahead of Charlotte
Claire for most of the weekend, was only just pipped
to a better position in qualifying in Q three, but
nonetheless was very close between them, pleasingly so, I suppose,
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considering where Hamilton ended the first part of the season.
Then both drivers failed to finished the Grand Prix, Hamilton
on his own accord getting slipped up on the slippy
part of the track. One might say, if one were
in commentary at the turn three, banking on the advertising
paint there out of the race, and Charlotte their out
of the race at almost exactly the same place, but
after being punted by Andrea Kimi Antonelli, who will receive
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a penalty the next race for his next home Grand
Prix as well for causing that collision. So quite a
poor result. Still retain second in the constructors Championship, but
only just by a little bit ahead of Mercedes. This
isn't you know? We shouldn't forget when now a couple
of rounds into the team's upgrade schedule, the upgrades that
were meant to help this car, he returned to the
(28:38):
level of competitiveness that enjoyed early in the season before
it was disqualified in the Chinese Grand Prix, and this
weekend certainly didn't show much for that argument.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
No, I mean, look, if you were a Marshall and
you had a dustpan and brush it turn three, he
could almost build yourself a replica Ferrari, given there were
bits of a scattered all over the place. But yeah,
I know, obviously very disappointing. They've had a double DNF
first D and F for each drive by the way
here to growlbriy this year. It has fifteen rounds to
get to that. But it's such a it's such an
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unusual outlier of a track ZANDVOT that it's almost like
I need more of a sample size. It's obviously very
unfortunate that need a driver finish the race, one through
their own fault, one through somebody else's. But you know,
you know, you mentioned mons are coming up. There is
a little something that Ferrari always tend to find there,
and I think we need probably a greater spread of
circuits now before we decide whether Ferrari is really just
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limping to the finish line of this regulation set or
whether they'll do the very standard Ferrari thing have been
really really good at the end of the season where
there's absolutely nothing to fight for for a rule set
that's about to go in the same skip as the
two cars from last weekend. So yeah, look disappointing on
its face because Mercedes has really only got one cast
scoring at the moment, so there's a chance to build
a greater advantage there. But I do know about you,
(29:51):
But because I mentioned twenty twenty six in this rule reset,
I'm almost not other than the Lewis Hamilton narrative, like
is this going to get any better? I'm not super
interested in what Ferrari do now for the rest of
the season, simply because of this hard reset for next year,
and we've gone through another rule set and another red
set where they have one championship, and they've showed intermittent
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flashes and they've fought for some things, and they've had
some poor years. It almost doesn't matter how they finish
this season to a degree, because it has to all
be about twenty twenty six right now, doesn't it. You know,
you've got the drivers with the pedigree, and you know,
you know, someone like Charla Clerk still feels to me
like he's a wheel champion in waiting. Is it always
going to feel like that to me? Because I think
he's that good. Do we really care that much about
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the rest of the year other than just see if
Hamilton concerned things around, because surely the bigger prize is
if we get twenty twenty six right then no one's
going to care about the last nine rounds of twenty
twenty five, are we.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, it's really a matter of how hard they're willing
to brace for the rest of the season. I think
how much they're willing to cop just to get through
the year, because unfortunately, with them. The season so long,
nine races, it's a lot of time to just say, well,
it's all about next year, isn't it time to keep
morale up? That has been part of the equation for
a lot of teams. You know, I'd always like to
point to sobur in this situation, because they really decided
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not to throw in the towel on this year's car
when all logic suggests they probably shouldn't have done any
work on it and just focused on next year. But
think about the effect that that upturning performance has had
on that team, making them look look not only just credible,
but actually make the audi outlook look a little bit
more positive. Ferrari has tried to develop this car, obviously
brought upgrades as recently just before the mid season break.
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I don't think they're any more coming, but I think
there is some motivation and some understandable motivation to at
least have a couple of better results for the rest
of the year. Can't just rely on that sprint victory
at the start of the season. It remains me said
whether that can happen. Like you say, we need a
bigger sample size. Zandword is a really particular track I
thought it was interesting. On Friday, Charlott Claire said it's
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a track laud as well that just happens to bring
out the very specific weaknesses in.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
The car and highlight them.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So maybe we should look at that the way that
the team kind of turned things around over the course
of the weekend or improve them as actually quite a
good sign. And Charlottelaire was in contention for fourth, probably
would have finished fourth as well, that you're not been
eliminated by Andrea Kimi Antonelli and then may finished third
or potentially it was in the range for that kind
of result, so reasonable, I guess at the end for him,
(32:19):
And maybe that does give us a little bit of
optimism or Ferrari fans a little bit of optimism for
the end of the season or at a minimum their
home Grand Prix this weekend. They do tend to, like
you say, find a little bit extra for that. But
let's look ahead now with the crystal Ball for complete
home filtration before we wrap this one up, or you
can look ahead to what is a pretty frenetic time
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in the motorsport calendar across all of our series. In fact,
as we head towards the end of the year. Why
don't you kick us off?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Well, I'd just like to point out that my crystal
ball reverse chinks of last week worked absolutely beautifully because
I said that Oscar Piastre would relinquish the leader the
World Championship for the first time since Saudi Arabia when
he finishes at zandvort So I did also say that,
now how my crystal ball usually works, that'll be completely wrong,
and so at least I've got one thing right. I
was right about being wrong. But look my crystal ball
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this weekend, and I think it's off the back of
what we're talking about here. Charla Claire has finished no
worse than fourth at Monza for the past four runnings
of the Italian Grand Prix. We know he's won it twice.
I'm saying that Charla Clire splits the McLaren's at Monza
and finishes second this weekend, and all will be right
in the Ferrari world, because we'll then leave Monza and
go to the final eight rounds of the year where
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they will do absolutely nothing, but everything will be completely
fine because the Toofosi get to invade the track and
Charlotte Cliff finishes second at Monza. But I don't know
what's in your crystal ball, but mine's glowing nice and
red this week.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yes, very good. I like that a lot dovetails very
well with mine, which was simply that Ferrari was going
to win this weekend, or for no reason other than
the fact that seems like the kind of thing that
would happen in such a bleak and hopeless season that
they will win one race. It'll happen to be their
home race. Because I suspect and Matt, you've been watching
the sport obviously long enough longer than I have, would
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follow this trend as well. That I think when they
have poor years, unless they're really really poor, like I'm
thinking back to twenty twenty, which is really bad, at
some point they go, well, we've got to do well
in Monza at least, and they think about what's going
to happen in Monza. They turn their attention to Monza,
they turn up they have a really good result there.
Second would be very good for them. But I think
in this championship season, unusual things sometimes happened at this
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magic track. I think we're going to get a victory.
I'm not going to say who I'd be tempted to
say Lewis Helpton, but I think that's just too outlandic
even for this segment. But a victory for Ferrari at.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Home, How would Sky Sports cope if it was Hamilton
beating Norris for first versus second? How many Union flags
have you got and be with? Oh, but the other
guy needs to win the championship. But you know what's
really interesting you mentioned that that Ferrari wins this weekend.
You forgot to add is that they would win and
they wouldn't know why, or they wouldn't know how, and
that's the best.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Win and they'll be disqualified. It'll be one of those two.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
It'll be one of those ones where if you ask
them where they found the extra performance and place over
the course of the weekend, the response would be so
like just because just as vibes. But I do like that.
But look, we love Monza because again outlier of outliers.
It is such an unusual track in modern day formula.
But I think it because of the way the cars
now race and how wide they are, and we're looking
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at the chicanes there. There's a ferocity to the racing
there that I remember last year, like Carlos Science last year,
it was like I've never seen him so Fastyart a
Grand Prix, fantastic to watch, and there's just something about
the energy and the fact that this race is the
shortest race in terms of giration. It's all over very
very quickly. There's this intensity about Monzoa that I love
and that's only magnified when Ferrari does well. So by
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me putting a Ferrari and second and new having them
on the top step, perhaps we're just cheering for the
narrative of a nice intense weekend because there'll be a
lot of other weekends when we go to tracks with
less passionate fans or eddy fans at all. Quite frankly,
when we get towards the end of the year, that yeah,
that we won't quite have the same we won't quite
have the same enjoyment.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Perhaps yes, so I mean if it is a one too,
it's can be interesting. Or perhaps that means it's another DNF.
Considering our run of predictions on the crystal ball. We'll
wait and see next week because that's all the time.
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Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.
On today's episode, Oscar Piastree takes a thirty four point
lead in the championship after victory at the Dutch Grand Prix,
and after Lando Norris retires with a power unit problem,
and Isaac Hadjar collects his first Formula One podium to
reassert himself as the second best Red bull Backs driver
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of twenty twenty five. My name is Michael Lamonado. It's
great to have your company and the company of my
co host respectfully. He has his Union Jack flying at
half mast. It's mac Clayton.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Michael. I would like to say at this point that
Oscar Piastre won the Grand Prix, and if you look
at the Digi flag behind the podium, there is a
Union Jack on the podium, ha ha, just above just
with all of those stars that make up the rest
of the Australian flag. But yes, there was a slightly
black armbands tone going on with the Sky Sports coverage.
After things have gone a little bit of rifle landover.
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I'm sure we'll get to discuss that in the next
what six hundred thousand milliseconds of this podcast that are
coming up, or if we're measuring things in milliseconds, or
as the rest of the motor racing world likes to
call it, thousandths of a second. But no matter how
you addressed it up, Oscar Piastre was the dominant man
in Zandwort and yeah, what a turn in the championship table. Huh.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, it's a remarkable series of events after a week
of building up. How this championship was definitely going down
to the wire and be lucky to get back to
double digit differences in the championship tally. Well, here we
are more than one race victory ahead for Oscar Piastre
and Lando Norris, with it all to do, as they
might say, to reclaim the lead, to get back into
contention with nine rounds to go. I want to start
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with Piastre though, before we consider the state of the championship,
because he now has nine career victories, equaling Mark Weber's
career tally in about a third of the time. As
it happens, Thur to the race starts very well, he said,
I got seven wins Tonoris's five for the season, five
poles to four, and he's collected his first Grand Slam
or for the traditionalists among us his first Grand shalem
(01:56):
Hove pronounced that correctly, victory from Pole. That's after victory
for Pole, having led every lap, fastest lap of the race,
and then of course winning the Grand Prix. Matt, you
love a good statistic, and this is rare for Australians,
rare than I expected.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Very rare, and so rare that at about one point
fifteen or Monday morning Australian time, I was pinging you
this on WhatsApp because I couldn't quite believe what my
eyes were showing me. Last time at Australian did that,
So pol let every lap won the race, Sir Jack Brabham,
Great Britain, nineteen sixty six. That's how far back we're
going since an Australian has had a level of dominance
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over one particular Grand Prix that Piastre had on Sunday.
And I think maybe I'm partly surprised that it's been
that long, and I'm also partly surprised that it happened
here because we spent a lot of last week's podcast,
and you spent a lot of time writing for Fox
Sports dot com dot Au that this was like an
away game for Oscar Piastre in a lot of respects.
It's a circuit where Norris has been so good, he's
been so fast, and even the course the way the
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weekend played out, if you looked at the opening practice sessions,
it looked very much part of the course in that
it felt to me like it was going to be
a damage limitation weekend for Piastre in that yes, okay,
if you can qualify on the front row, that's great.
If he can only seed seven points in a Lando
Norris this weekend, that's actually a pretty good result because
there will be races that tracks that suit him better.
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And then in the end, absolutely brilliant first lap in
Q three, those twelve milliseconds at SkySports were wishing could
go away, but which meant that Lando Norris started second,
and then that just unlocked everything that happened in the race.
With Norris not holding that position off the start and
Piastri being completely perfect. You would have to say, I'm
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struggling to think of a wobble or something that went
wrong or a safety car restart. He's just absolutely lights
out when he gets into this sort of position, and
we've seen that over the course of this season. I
guess the surprising part for me and I'm sure for
you was that he was doing it here because he
hasn't had a particularly good track record at Zambault in
the past.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, and this is the thing I've been saying. The
aftermath of this race is, of course the championship points
is significant, like that's going to be the big takeaway
from this grand pre perhaps to the end of the season.
But it's actually the victory he was on track for
even before Norris retired, that I think was the most impressive, because,
like you said, this is a track that, relative to Norris,
he's been weak at. He's only been the sport for
three years, but the last couple of years, and last
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year in particular, when he was coming to the end
of what was actually really quite a successful run through
the European rounds, he was the highest scoring driver in Europe.
And yet this race was was a pretty big weakness.
It was a race where you could sort of see
the pace last year but couldn't string it together this
year completely the opposite. Despite starting on the back foot,
with Norris having looked to me between two and three
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tenths of a second advantage, through the practice sessions. He
peaked at the right time. I think those were his
words in qualifying and I liked actually the way that
he talked about how he closed that gap because the
assumption has been and the reality has been as well.
And this is the case in teammate battles that you know,
you get to the end of Friday, you look at
the deficit, you are two tenths. You look at what
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the other guy in the next door garage is doing differently,
and you try to incorporate that into your game the
next and make those gains and close that gap. Gastri
tried that through Friday, couldn't really do what Norris was
doing this particularly turns nine and ten and a little
bit the Chicane after Friday, and then decided, actually, what
I'm going to do is see what I'm doing well
and just do them better. And the result was We've
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got two drivers setting fundamentally the same lap time but
in different ways, with different strengths and weaknesses. And I
thought that was really interesting because that's sort of what
we want to see for the rest of the year.
Two different drivers, different approaches battling for the championship. That
made the difference for him.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, yeah, completely all the way you phrase that, you know,
do the good stuff better, And it's not this case
of absolute it's like, well, I have done the best
possible job that I can do in this particular corner
or this particular sector. It's like, rather than trying to
chase something that you may not be able to attain
because of car set up and driving style, let's just
shave around the edges of the stuff that I'm doing
really well. That's one aspect of this. The second aspect
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is the delivery of it. And we know now there's
enough evidence to show that when the spotlight is super
super bright, he's not normally the guy that waivers or
buckles or has an emotional response. You know, we've joke
in the past that there is a slightly robotic nature
to the way that he goes about his racing and
the way that he reacts to his racing. But in
the situations like that where it seems that you have
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everything to lose and may well have already lost that,
I think that temperament aspect of what it is that
he does is super impressive and also just not surprising anymore.
It's not surprising to him, it's not surprising to us.
We expect this to happen now, and you know, yes, obviously,
it's incredibly unfortunate luck for Norris to have a failure
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so close to home where he was a nailed on
second place and McLaren are just you know, they think
they were going to be onto their fifth straight one too.
They're in a different category at the moment. But this
wasn't a win that went begging for Norris. There's none
of this. We're not going to use the word robbed
on this podcast, but I think Sky Sports have robbed
that used the allocation of the word robbed for this
week for use that one. This was done, This was
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done before Norris had the DNF, and I think that's
the most impressive part about all of this. But we
did touch on this last week, and we also touched
on with Alex Jakes in our mid season podcast. You
look at the tracks where Piastre was weak, and I am
using air quotes here because some of them he was
actually perfectly fine, just not as good as his teammate.
The gap that he's been able to bridge this year,
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thinking places like China where he was a bit lost
the first time we went there. That's a pretty weird
sort of a track, let's be honest, but so so
much better there this year. And this is just another
example of that where it feels like his learning curve
at the perceived week points has been almost vertical this year.
That's a good sign for the future because he's able
to make really really big gains really really quickly. But
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I think it also accentuates the tracks where we know
he's going to be strong. It's very hard right now
to what's the weakness you can pick at, and yeah,
we know he's on this unbelievable run of reliability. Now
it's now the second longest finishing streak of races in
Formula one history. He's finished his last forty three Grand
Prix and obviously if he was to get to the
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end of the year without a DNF, then that's going
to break the all time record, which is forty eight
that Lewis Hamilton had a few years ago. So there
is a degree of fortune in all of that, and
that the same issue that Befel Norris could have Befallen
pat Piastri or may do in the future. But in
terms of the things that he can control where's the
weakness right now? There doesn't really seem to be one.
In the past, it was time management, then it was
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ultimate qualifying pace. Every year he just puts another one
of these weaknesses to bed. And you know, is a
thirty four point championship lead a little bit unrepresentative. Yeah,
you'd have to say so. But in terms of the
fact that he has the lead and he's had it
since Saudi Arabia, then that's absolutely as the championship should
be right now.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, there's something in the fact that many of his
wins this year have been the tracks that he's been
so poor at relatively in previous years. You mentioned China
there one this weekend Japan was another one, because that's
a high tie wear track. Finished in that lead group.
Nim McLaren won, but finished in that lead group of
three behind Max withstaff and so did well enough at
a minimum to show those difficulties had been eliminated. Spain
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he won quite comfortably. Their Netherlands he's won now and
one pretty comprehensively or on a trajectory that was clear,
that was not fortunate, that was not circumstantial. That in
itself is quite interesting when we consider assessing where any
weaknesses are. And I think the flip side of this
as well. This is his first pole position since the
Spanish Grand Prix, which is a little while in that
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period of time was when Norris appeared. Thanks to that
McLaren changed the front suspension that that's helped him regain
some feeling, has stopped making those qualifying areas. We haven't
seen a Norris qualifying era for a while, and that's
interesting to me because there was this perception I suppose
not totally incorrect, but that Norris would be that little
bit ahead in the way many people expected if he
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stopped making mistakes, and he stopped making mistakes in Piastre's
lead hasn't been has been eaten into before this weekend,
hasn't been eliminated, and is now much larger and would
have been larger regardless of the DNF because Piastrew is
on track to win a race that Norris should have
in his one hundred percent form, let's call it should
have been able to win. And it also makes you
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think about the outlook for this season now, something we
did talk about last week, but if Norris no longer
has strongholds like this circuit, in the context of him
now needing to win quite a few Grand Prix to
get back level, it's hard to imagine that part. He
could come out and win several races because it is
still close between them, and if every situation is roughly
fifty to fifty, then you could by luck win a
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lot of them. But it's hard to chart a course.
I guess in a logical way if you like to
see how Norris can get on that role when he
can't be overwhelming at a track like Zandvort.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
The two things that he has in his favor. As
I done my sky Sports Blazer here, you mentioned there's
still nine rounds to go. There's so long to go,
and there's so many points up for grabs. That's one thing,
and realistically on pace there's no one in the same
conversation right now. It's funny, isn't it that Max Forstappen,
four time reigning world champion, Max for Stappan, he's now
what I'd call a disruptor. That's literally what he's become.
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He's just become Formula one's great up to in that
he knows and we know and Red bullno, and everyone
knows that on actual merit and on pace. He hasn't
got a prayer of beating these two McLaren's right now,
but he can make it interesting and he can throw
you know, a couple of monkey wrenches in there, and
you know, we'll talk about it a little bit later.
I thought he maximized every opportunity that he had, and
there weren't many of them over the course of the
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weekend to get himself where it got himself. But he's
now cast in the role of disruptor and there's no
one else anywhere else that's got a car or form
or the ability to be able to muscle in on that.
So Piastre, there's a roadmap to the title here where
he can't back his way into the title. Piastre, there's
still too many races still to go, but the chance
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of other teams and drivers being real interlopus and really
getting in the fire, other than maybe a few races
that could be track specific or you know, somewhere like
Brazil when it rains. Wherever Stappens has just been a
complete genius for years. There's so many races still for
Norris to go, but there's not enough other cars potentially
to upset Piastre. So Piastre can have an inverted Cobbas
not great race and probably fifty second a few times.
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And now because he has a thirty four point championship lead,
he can actually afford one or two of those. But
you look at the approach for Piastre from now on,
and this is not We're too far away from the
end of the season for him to start sort of
plagued defensively to sort of play out time. If there
were four to five races to go and we're still
in this position, then maybe, But right now the approach
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has just got to be Okay, great, I've got this
thirty four point championship lead. I had that race one anyway.
So Monza, to use a favorite McLaren press, really saying,
we go again, and that's what we'll do. Just keep
doing the same thing, the same thing, the same thing,
because it's led him to a pretty advantageous position right now.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I want to throw some maths at you. I do
like writing these sorts of pieces. I'm not convinced we're
ready to write this piece yet, but it's interesting nonetheless
in the context, because let's assume that McLaren can or
does finish one two for the rest of the season
the majority of races. I think it probably will, but
there are a couple of curveball tracks coming up. Vegas
in my mind's probably the biggest one, and maybe Brazil
and to a lesser extensing Repoor. Well, we'll talking about
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a little bit later on. But assuming those one two finishes,
Piastre needs to win three more Grand Prix and then
Norris's fate will be out of his hands. Piastri can
finish second for the rest of the season, for the
rest of the year and win the title. This excludes sprints,
but I think from my mats the you know, it's
only three points between one and two in the sprints,
and I think it's still accounts for that. I think
it still works.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So are you trying to make sprints sound you're trying
to make sprints sound relevant?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Day is that we're doing more non effectual and all
the sprints, of course are backloaded right at the end
of the season, which is frustrating. But Norris to do
the same, we'll need to win seven Grand Prix. That
would be him with one hand on the trophy. You
need to win five just to level up. It would
be one point ahead. I think if you won the
next five Grand Prix with Piastre in second, so that's
the mountain to climb to win the championship. We now
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can count our way towards the title the various parts.
That's a big difference in the number of wins. Like
you say, it's too far into the future, and there
are enough chances for at least Backs to stappen, and
maybe it's some circuit some other drivers to interfere, and
then suddenly you know, the difference between first and third
is ten points, which is quite a lot when you
start to think about it. That's part of the reason
Piastre is able to close the gap at the start
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of the year as well, so quickly, one or two
cars is enough to make a massive difference.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, and the other thing before you get off this
real quick, the stat that I mentioned before about the
pastre finishing record that he's got. I'm a little bit
surprised how underplayed that is being at the moment, because
it feels to me, like, you know, it's that odd
saying in most sports, it's like, you know, with every
consecutive win, you're closer to your next loss. It feels
a little bit like that, And it's if you're going
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to have the loss the DNF in this instance, when
do you want to have it? Because if you're talking
about you know, there's nine rounds left to go, and
if Piastre was to finish every one of those races,
that is the longest run of consecutive race finishes in
the history of Formula one. That's what we're talking about here.
We're not just talking about for one or two seasons.
We're talking about seventy five years of Formula one here.
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So you know, assuming that he doesn't set a historical
marker here, when do you want the dn F? Because
it be one of those things like it wouldn't be
the worst thing ever happened, suitor, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yes, well, I mean the good thing, because I can't
remember if we were talking about this in last week's
podcast or just between you and I mat during the week.
But you do get that sense that, well, that's now
hanging over his head a little bit, that that statistic
could be coming, but now he has it in his pocket.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
The fact that Norris has had the DNF first takes
the pressure off that statistic a little bit. Whether or
not it's fulfilled completely.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You've got the Mulligan. You can just choose when to
play it.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yes, exactly right, and you don't know. Maybe you played
at that one race McLaren, much like a Norris's DNF
in Canada, the one race where McLaren isn't winning and
the points difference is minimized. So it will be interesting
to see if that plays out, or whether piastrian a
title in a season that would presumably deliver him the championship.
If he gets to the end of the year without
a DNF or a failure to score sets records along
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the way. Already setting many Australian records, could well set
the Australian record for all time victories. I think'm wrote
and saying because he's nine ye now, yes he could,
absolutely he could. Plenty of races to go. It will
be fascinating to see where he ends this sea. Let's
move now, Matt to Move of the Week brought to
you by Shannons for the Dutch Grand Prix. Not traditionally
a track where there are many moves to in Move
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of the Week, but I think there were enough to
my mind. In fact, there were two that could qualify
here and there are two of us, so why don't
you go first?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, I'm going to cave out this by saying, when
you go through the classification for this race, a lot
of stuff happened in this Grand Prix to a lot
of people. It's not one of those races we go
that guy finished twelfth, nothing happened to him. That's fine.
Now you're saying that there's two of us, and there's
at least two moves. I actually have one normal move
and one very left field one. So I think you
should go first because if you choose the one that
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i'm because I've got a left field one for you
that I'd like to deploy if it lends itself to
that way. So what have you got?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Very good? I can take my pick between them. In
that case, I'm going to go for Charlotte Clair on
George Russell. Technically an illegal move in my opinion, yes,
but a great one. It was all four wheels off
the line at the Chicane. But what I liked about this,
and it almost the second part of it is almost
when lecler gets taken out of the race by Andrea
kim Antonelli afterwards, but wasn't too angry about it, because
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he said, at a track like this, you just have
to try something on and they're not all going to
be pulled off. He was quite sanguine about it, I
suppose you could say, but I like the way that
he knowing he knew, had the pace. You can't just
rely on the DRS at the end of turn one
because it's not always going to work the way this
track's laid out. It's not one of the more effective
DRS zones round the outside better on the brakes. I
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think the reason why this probably could have been allowed legal,
other than the fact that neither driver bothered to really
push the point because of what happened afterwards, is that
I think he was still in control and would have
made the track had Russell not beither I know the
racing rules or like Carla signs some opinions on the
application of the racing rules, suggests still he should he
was in the role. But I just thought it was
so well pulled off and so aggressive and such a
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great move for this track and showed a little bit
in one week before once I just showed a little
bit of life in the Ferrari. I enjoyed that move.
I thought it was great. I thought it was a
highlight of the race, and that's my movie of the week.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I enjoyed that he went for it. I think it's
almost like it's the thought that co outs see him, Michael,
because I like that, you know this is it always
serves up an interesting race because of weather and corner
configurations and what have you. Just quietly it's a bit
of a rubbish racetrack because you can't actually race there
with modern day Formula line cars because the car's too
big and the circuits too narrow and so on and
so forth. Looks wonderful on TV. So when you get
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one of these moves, even the prospect of a move
like this, you oh, look at this, because that's not
something you would expect to see at this particular track.
So I do enjoy that it didn't actually make my
short list of too funnily enough, as good as it
was interesting, because in the honorable mentions category, I'm going
to say Max Forstappen's lap one where he got past
Lado Overs into second place and just about lost the car.
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And I thought at the time, the audaciousness of the
audacity audacious, So speak English in a minute the audacity
of being able to pull that move off. I'm not
sure that's a move that too many other drivers would
have actually had the balls to go for a little
load the skill to be able to so that was
absolutely outstanding. But you probably are going to like where
I'm going to go here. Move of the week for
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me is Lance Stroll go on. This is a move
of the week for me because he was so bad
that he crashed twice as started last and so that
springboarded him to naturally a seventh place finish and ahead
of his teammate in the World Championship standings despite being
down fifteen zero in qualifying for the season. Somehow Lance
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Stroll is ahead of Fernando a lot. So with the
driver's standings, may I remind you there's another driver that's
fifteen zero up on their teammates this year in qualifying
and team mates is the key there, because it's been
two of them, Max for Stappan. The points gap between
Max for Stappen and his teammates this year is two
hundred and five points to twelve. So the fact that
Lance Stroll has basically just had his backside handed to
him for fifteen straight weekends crashes twice, lucks out, finishes
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seventh in the race and is ahead of Fernando a lot.
So with the standings that my friend is move of
the week, possibly move of the season.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That's very good. I like that. And if you want
to know how Fernando Alonzo took it, just on find
his post and he didn't take it well. I think
it would be fair to say, despite of course him
being contractually obliged to describe Lancetroll regularly as a world
champion in the making, wasn't happy to finish behind him
in the contract in which he finished behind him. And yes,
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I really loved the Vistaffan move as well. That was
my other one, and I reckon out of the twenty
drivers on the grid, nineteen other ones would have lost
it immediately and possibly wiped out Piastri if Fiastri was
one of the nineteen in the process. So I think
with staff an absolutely great contender. But I look, you
know what I'm willing if we would have to vote
between them every week, I'm willing to give it to
Lancetroll remarkably, this im perpetuity. Let's look at the racing
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a little bit more detail now, because it was one
other highlight among the results, and that was Isaac Kadja,
who finished third for his first Grand Prix podium, just
fifteen rounds into his career. We know he has the
speed that's been clear all season and was clear in
the junior categories as well, and we know as well
from the season, to be fair, that he has the racecraft,
but this was such an assured performance at a track. Okay,
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we're overtaking his difficult but had much faster cars behind
you and it was possible to overtake if you had
a big pace difference, as there should have been him
between let's say a Mercedes in a racing bulls car
a Ferrari in a rasing bulls car. But he managed
to hold on to fourth, which became third of course
when Lando Norris retired. And mad's probably worth reflecting on
where his season started, which was in the barriers on
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the formation lap, and here he is on the podium.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yes, you said fifteen rounds. Of course that's fourteen Grand
Prix because he didn't start his debut in Australia because
he managed to bin it on the way to the grid.
And we were half joking on Sunday saying, well, fourth
on the grid, fantastic qualifying lap, but you might get
a bit dizzy being that high on the grid and
you've got Max Fastappan next to you, which if you're
planning on being a Red Bull driver in the future,
you might give him a fairly wide berth at tw
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one and you've got two title contending McLaren's ahead of
you and nothing else on the grid. Oh boy, this
could be interesting. But he he never put a foot
wrong end. Look, yes, the podium was slightly inherited because
of what have happened to Norris, but in terms of
being able to cope with being that high up and
withwithstanding pressure and clearly the racing Bulls is not as
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good of a car as some of the cars that
were behind him, just so very very assured and so
the potentially bad news for isaat Kajaris. He's now being
considered as the second driver at Red Bull, which is
where most Formula One careers go to die at this point.
But he was absolutely fantastic and I love the I
always love the enthusiasm of a first time podium finisher.
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There's just something quite cool and raw about the whole thing.
I did enjoy that. I did not enjoy the Racing
Bulls press release, which I'm sure you've seen, and I
hope you've managed to block out of your mind. This
is trend, as we know, in a lot of social
media things these days, to just staple two completely unconnected
words together and come up with a brand new word.
So when I saw the word hadge odium written at
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the top of the Racing Bulls press release, I was swearing.
I was reading that in Hungarian or something, and I
had to ble a couple of times and go, oh, no,
they've stapled his part of his surname and the fact
he's been on the podium together and come up with
a word that I would never like to see or
say ever again. So bad form by Racing Balls on
that front. But we'll give them a we'll give them
a mulligan here, because they don't get on podiums very often.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
No, they don't have a lot of practice for that.
We'll just wait till he wins it and we get
them had victory.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yes, wonderful, tremendous. I am so old at this point.
I cannot tolerate this.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It is very good. It does a little a little
damp it on the end there and he broke his trophy,
which I didn't like either, because some of the we
should one day do a ranking of the trophies of
the Formula one calendar, because this is comfortably among the
top ones to break it. Oh dear, that is not
the hadjodium.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
You'd want a rookie mistake.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Induede, that's quiet. It was a good result for him, obviously, unless,
of course, he's promoted to Red Bull racing anytime, and
it could possibly be bad result for him because he's
firming in that position now, isn't he, or at least
he is in the minds of those who are observing.
Because it was another weekend which he was the second
best red Bull backed driver behind Max Verstaffan Yuki Sonoda.
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I didn't have his worst weekend, to be fair to him,
I suppose, but also didn't have a particularly great one.
Didn't make it into Q three again. The gap to
Maxwistappen was half a second in Q two, which is
much larger than obviously he'd hoped for, but much larger
than the trend of the previous two rounds had suggested.
This is, of course, despite him having the upgrades that
or having most of the upgrades that Maxwis Staffin has.
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In any case, did score points though for the first
time since the Emilia Romania cranfree in May, which is
just a remarkable statistic, but not great, not on the
level of Maxistappin. I guess you could say it's like,
in a global sense, a little bit improved to the trend.
But certainly considering we know and he's sort of said
as much for the second part of the season, is
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him fighting to be retained next year? This wasn't the
start he would have hoped for.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, And I'm looking at the Haja thing here in
the context of Christian Hauner not being at Red Bull
and and I'm just wondering if that this new Red
Bull era here you look at Lawson and you look
at Sonoda and whatever team they're driving for, they feel
a little bit just damaged by the whole experience because
Lawson was in, then he was out, and then he
was promoted, then he was demoted, and Sonoda's been up
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and down and that even wants him in Formula one.
And then you've got you know, Sergio Brews taking your
victory lap for how terrible the second how terrible the
car has been, and my career was much better in retrospect,
and so on and so forth. Hadja because he came
in with the second team and he hasn't gone up
and down yet, And now you know, it's a new
Red Bull to a degree, I wonder if there's almost
like you're not sort of tainted by a lot of
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the failures of some of these other guys in the past,
where they've gone up and down a little bit. There's
something a little bit more I don't know if innocent's
quite the right word, but it feels a little bit
more sustainable. And maybe the pressure point there is the
fact that the other cars now not winning races and
world championships, and maybe that's the difference here. Whoever ends
up in that second Red Bull seat next year, maybe
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there's not this direct comparison to well, you better step
up because the guy on the other car has just
won every Grold pre nearly for a season, or he's
won four World championships in a row. Wonder if that
changes a job description a little bit, And you do
wonder if Sonoda now had Lawson before him, were a
little bit hamstrung by the fact that the expectations were
so high because of what the other car was doing,
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and the weight of recent history and red Bull and
Horner presiding all over these World championships. You do wonder
if the job descriptions a little bit different. But we
said this last week that Haja, of all the rookies
that came on this year, and there was an unusually
large number of them, he was probably the one that
we had the lowest expectations for. I would say not unfairly.
I think it's just the way it shook out. And
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even before the hadj odium he was ticking most boxes.
He's done a really, really good job the entire year.
So this result is yeah, bit of an outlier, but
probably in keeping with the fact that he's just been
seriously impressive the longer this season's gone on. Yeah, absolutely right,
we say had jotidium. I will never say it again.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
No, please feel free. In fact, I think we should
anytime anyone finishes on the podium used that naming convention.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Whatever their name is.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yes, I think that should work. I want to look
a little bit further down the order as well, because
this weekend, of course, is the Italian Grand Prix. It's
back to back. This concludes the European season, unless you
consider as a jant to be part of Europe. It's
up to you. I'm not going to wait until politics
very good. I think that's probably a fair conclusion. Not
a great weekend for Ferrari started quite poorly on Friday
with a total lack of pace. By Saturday, in qualifying
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they'd found some pace but were never really in contention
for pole or even the first couple of rows. But
at least both got both cars into Q three and
at least Lewis Hamilton looked a little bit back to
normal this weekend. He was in fact ahead of Charlotte
Claire for most of the weekend, was only just pipped
to a better position in qualifying in Q three, but
nonetheless was very close between them, pleasingly so, I suppose,
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considering where Hamilton ended the first part of the season.
Then both drivers failed to finished the Grand Prix, Hamilton
on his own accord getting slipped up on the slippy
part of the track. One might say, if one were
in commentary at the turn three, banking on the advertising
paint there out of the race, and Charlotte their out
of the race at almost exactly the same place, but
after being punted by Andrea Kimi Antonelli, who will receive
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a penalty the next race for his next home Grand
Prix as well for causing that collision. So quite a
poor result. Still retain second in the constructors Championship, but
only just by a little bit ahead of Mercedes. This
isn't you know? We shouldn't forget when now a couple
of rounds into the team's upgrade schedule, the upgrades that
were meant to help this car, he returned to the
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level of competitiveness that enjoyed early in the season before
it was disqualified in the Chinese Grand Prix, and this
weekend certainly didn't show much for that argument.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
No, I mean, look, if you were a Marshall and
you had a dustpan and brush it turn three, he
could almost build yourself a replica Ferrari, given there were
bits of a scattered all over the place. But yeah,
I know, obviously very disappointing. They've had a double DNF
first D and F for each drive by the way
here to growlbriy this year. It has fifteen rounds to
get to that. But it's such a it's such an
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unusual outlier of a track ZANDVOT that it's almost like
I need more of a sample size. It's obviously very
unfortunate that need a driver finish the race, one through
their own fault, one through somebody else's. But you know,
you know, you mentioned mons are coming up. There is
a little something that Ferrari always tend to find there,
and I think we need probably a greater spread of
circuits now before we decide whether Ferrari is really just
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limping to the finish line of this regulation set or
whether they'll do the very standard Ferrari thing have been
really really good at the end of the season where
there's absolutely nothing to fight for for a rule set
that's about to go in the same skip as the
two cars from last weekend. So yeah, look disappointing on
its face because Mercedes has really only got one cast
scoring at the moment, so there's a chance to build
a greater advantage there. But I do know about you,
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But because I mentioned twenty twenty six in this rule reset,
I'm almost not other than the Lewis Hamilton narrative, like
is this going to get any better? I'm not super
interested in what Ferrari do now for the rest of
the season, simply because of this hard reset for next year,
and we've gone through another rule set and another red
set where they have one championship, and they've showed intermittent
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flashes and they've fought for some things, and they've had
some poor years. It almost doesn't matter how they finish
this season to a degree, because it has to all
be about twenty twenty six right now, doesn't it. You know,
you've got the drivers with the pedigree, and you know,
you know, someone like Charla Clerk still feels to me
like he's a wheel champion in waiting. Is it always
going to feel like that to me? Because I think
he's that good. Do we really care that much about
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the rest of the year other than just see if
Hamilton concerned things around, because surely the bigger prize is
if we get twenty twenty six right then no one's
going to care about the last nine rounds of twenty
twenty five, are we.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, it's really a matter of how hard they're willing
to brace for the rest of the season. I think
how much they're willing to cop just to get through
the year, because unfortunately, with them. The season so long,
nine races, it's a lot of time to just say, well,
it's all about next year, isn't it time to keep
morale up? That has been part of the equation for
a lot of teams. You know, I'd always like to
point to sobur in this situation, because they really decided
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not to throw in the towel on this year's car
when all logic suggests they probably shouldn't have done any
work on it and just focused on next year. But
think about the effect that that upturning performance has had
on that team, making them look look not only just credible,
but actually make the audi outlook look a little bit
more positive. Ferrari has tried to develop this car, obviously
brought upgrades as recently just before the mid season break.
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I don't think they're any more coming, but I think
there is some motivation and some understandable motivation to at
least have a couple of better results for the rest
of the year. Can't just rely on that sprint victory
at the start of the season. It remains me said
whether that can happen. Like you say, we need a
bigger sample size. Zandword is a really particular track I
thought it was interesting. On Friday, Charlott Claire said it's
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a track laud as well that just happens to bring
out the very specific weaknesses in.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
The car and highlight them.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So maybe we should look at that the way that
the team kind of turned things around over the course
of the weekend or improve them as actually quite a
good sign. And Charlottelaire was in contention for fourth, probably
would have finished fourth as well, that you're not been
eliminated by Andrea Kimi Antonelli and then may finished third
or potentially it was in the range for that kind
of result, so reasonable, I guess at the end for him,
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And maybe that does give us a little bit of
optimism or Ferrari fans a little bit of optimism for
the end of the season or at a minimum their
home Grand Prix this weekend. They do tend to, like
you say, find a little bit extra for that. But
let's look ahead now with the crystal Ball for complete
home filtration before we wrap this one up, or you
can look ahead to what is a pretty frenetic time
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in the motorsport calendar across all of our series. In fact,
as we head towards the end of the year. Why
don't you kick us off?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Well, I'd just like to point out that my crystal
ball reverse chinks of last week worked absolutely beautifully because
I said that Oscar Piastre would relinquish the leader the
World Championship for the first time since Saudi Arabia when
he finishes at zandvort So I did also say that,
now how my crystal ball usually works, that'll be completely wrong,
and so at least I've got one thing right. I
was right about being wrong. But look my crystal ball
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this weekend, and I think it's off the back of
what we're talking about here. Charla Claire has finished no
worse than fourth at Monza for the past four runnings
of the Italian Grand Prix. We know he's won it twice.
I'm saying that Charla Clire splits the McLaren's at Monza
and finishes second this weekend, and all will be right
in the Ferrari world, because we'll then leave Monza and
go to the final eight rounds of the year where
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they will do absolutely nothing, but everything will be completely
fine because the Toofosi get to invade the track and
Charlotte Cliff finishes second at Monza. But I don't know
what's in your crystal ball, but mine's glowing nice and
red this week.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yes, very good. I like that a lot dovetails very
well with mine, which was simply that Ferrari was going
to win this weekend, or for no reason other than
the fact that seems like the kind of thing that
would happen in such a bleak and hopeless season that
they will win one race. It'll happen to be their
home race. Because I suspect and Matt, you've been watching
the sport obviously long enough longer than I have, would
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follow this trend as well. That I think when they
have poor years, unless they're really really poor, like I'm
thinking back to twenty twenty, which is really bad, at
some point they go, well, we've got to do well
in Monza at least, and they think about what's going
to happen in Monza. They turn their attention to Monza,
they turn up they have a really good result there.
Second would be very good for them. But I think
in this championship season, unusual things sometimes happened at this
(34:23):
magic track. I think we're going to get a victory.
I'm not going to say who I'd be tempted to
say Lewis Helpton, but I think that's just too outlandic
even for this segment. But a victory for Ferrari at.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Home, How would Sky Sports cope if it was Hamilton
beating Norris for first versus second? How many Union flags
have you got and be with? Oh, but the other
guy needs to win the championship. But you know what's
really interesting you mentioned that that Ferrari wins this weekend.
You forgot to add is that they would win and
they wouldn't know why, or they wouldn't know how, and
that's the best.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Win and they'll be disqualified. It'll be one of those two.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
It'll be one of those ones where if you ask
them where they found the extra performance and place over
the course of the weekend, the response would be so
like just because just as vibes. But I do like that.
But look, we love Monza because again outlier of outliers.
It is such an unusual track in modern day formula.
But I think it because of the way the cars
now race and how wide they are, and we're looking
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at the chicanes there. There's a ferocity to the racing
there that I remember last year, like Carlos Science last year,
it was like I've never seen him so Fastyart a
Grand Prix, fantastic to watch, and there's just something about
the energy and the fact that this race is the
shortest race in terms of giration. It's all over very
very quickly. There's this intensity about Monzoa that I love
and that's only magnified when Ferrari does well. So by
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me putting a Ferrari and second and new having them
on the top step, perhaps we're just cheering for the
narrative of a nice intense weekend because there'll be a
lot of other weekends when we go to tracks with
less passionate fans or eddy fans at all. Quite frankly,
when we get towards the end of the year, that yeah,
that we won't quite have the same we won't quite
have the same enjoyment.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Perhaps yes, so I mean if it is a one too,
it's can be interesting. Or perhaps that means it's another DNF.
Considering our run of predictions on the crystal ball. We'll
wait and see next week because that's all the time.
We have a pit talk today. You can subscribe to
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it's the Catalan Motorcycle Grand Prix in Barcelona with lights
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out at ten pm on Sunday, and then it's the
Formula one Italian Grand Prix in Monza with lights out
at eleven pm. You can keep up to date with
all the latest F one, Moto GP and supercars news
at Foxsports dot com dot au from Matt Clayton and
me Michael Lomonato. Thanks very much for your company and
we'll catch you next week
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