May 7, 2025 • 36 mins
This week on Pit Talk, we’re gearing up for the French Grand Prix—where the weather’s as unpredictable as the racing and the fans are just as passionate as the riders.
2007 French GP Winner Chris Vermeulen joins Matt Clayton & Renita Vermeulen as they break down all things Le Mans.
Plus Chris weighs in on the 2025 MotoGP championship so far and who he think's will finish first in France!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When life gives you, Lemon's Motor GP gives us one
of the most iconic stops on the calendar. So grab
a croissant, settle in. This is your French GP Preview,
brought to you by Shannon's Insurance. I'm your host, Rnita
Vmulin and alongside me, as always, is Matt Clayton. But Matt,
for this episode, we thought let's bring in the big guns,
(00:21):
so joining us is someone who knows exactly what it
takes to conquer Lemon, the two thousand and seven French
Grand Prix winner and former Moto GP racer Chris Vermullin.
Before Chris, I bring you on, Matt, I have to
apologize you're outnumbered by Vermulins once again.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, one of us on this podcast has to have
won a Grand Prix, and I don't know about you,
whether you've got some past you haven't told me about yet,
but it's not you. It's definitely not me. My Motorcycle
Riding Exploits will be the world's shortest podcast, but always
nice to have a Grand Prix winner, and particularly this
Grand Prix and Chris, this is like old times you
and I being on a podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
But.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Two as they still let us on. But my question
to you is, do you think when the French Grand
Prixs coming up, oh yeah, I won that, And then
you get out of bed and go, oh man, that
was a long time ago, because it's you're not quite
as live and supple as you once were.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I would say, oh, you're one hundred percent right, and
it's funny and made of mine who loves none a GP.
And we talk about it a fair bit. He said,
I just watched the French race. It come up again,
and I said, I can't believe it's eighteen years ago. Yeah,
it feel it feels like it was a little while ago.
But five or six years, you know, not eighteen years ago,
(01:31):
two thousand and seven race, and what an iconic track.
The track is still the same as it was then.
But yeah, I do have great memories. I have greater
memories from other races, if you like. But that's my
if you that's that's the Grand Prix I won. It's
the one I still on the top of the party.
Suzuki's first win in a long time, and they didn't
(01:54):
get again Maverick Vignolas many years later. So yeah, he's
iconic for a few reasons, and yeah, glad to be
part of it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
What I like about the French Grand Prix is you
never know what's going to happen. It could be red flags,
it could be rain, it could be sunny and twenty
five plus degrees. And then we have what's happened so
far in the championship with last weekend, Fabio Cordorarro is
just pulling something out of nowhere and putting the Yamaha
up the front heading into the French Grand Prix. Two
French riders. But let's take you back eighteen years ago,
(02:23):
because I can't believe you just said that, Chris, how
do you master Lamon? What's the secrets to this track?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Then? It is a quick laptome around Leman is not
sacrificing too much entry speed and getting on the throat early.
It is a simple way to put it. A lot
of these long corners head on two straights and you
can make a lot of time, then you can lose
a lot of time there. So if you can get
that part right, generally you pretty quick around Lamon, but
(02:50):
obviously all these guys are quicker around them On. But
going back to the French riders being fast here it
is one of the busiest Grand Prixs of the year.
That the circus goes to two hundred thousand over the weekend.
The French crowd are absolutely nuts. No rider will get
any sleep in their motor home all weekend because there'll
be parties, there'll be noise in the campground, and there'll
(03:11):
be engines revving, a lot of croissant spang Eden as
you said before, And yeah, no, they love it and
they go they go nuts for it and winning the
race there, I have a great following, but I can't
imagine what it would be like to be a French
rider there because in that year that I did win
Sylvanian Tili took the lead of that race and the
French crowd went absolutely berserk. And now they've got two
(03:34):
front runners or two top riders, let's face it, world
champions in the class. They have really got someone to
cheer for.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's kind of for both of you. It's kind of
one of my nerd moments of the year. And when
they do the French national anthem before the race starts
and they just play like the opening ten seconds of
the music and then cut it off and the crowd
just takes over and it's full hair standing up on
your arms, and the way that front straight is there
with those two big grand stands, you've got huge tunnel
(04:01):
of noise going on. And you know, I mean the
crowds were massive when you were doing it, Chris, but
I mean now you saw the crowd they got in
there last year, that moment before that race. If you're
a French rider, I don't know how you keep it together,
quite frankly, because the emotions would be massive.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
They would be massive, wouldn't they And it is a
it's cool atmosphere. And not even not being French like
you said, Matt, and being on the grid and not
being French, it's cool. It's cool to be part of it.
They go mental, They just they just love it. They
love the racing and it's great that we've got crowds
like that. You know, that's what makes part of it
for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I have a Christian When you were just talking about
the crowds there before last weekend with in Harah, me
and Matt spoke about on the last pot is like
you could hear the crowd over the top of the
commentators and over top of the black noise. I know,
it's been a long time since you race. But can
you hear the crowd when it's like that or you
is it the noise just so drowned out by the engine.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well spl like you'd hear the crowd Moto GP because
they're so loud. Well, this Isuki, don't know if you
guys remember the Suszuki. That thing was bloody loud. To
be honest, you didn't hear much. You don't hear much.
And the thing is screaming well back in the day
at eighteen thousand rpm twenty thousand at times and loud. Yeah,
(05:16):
even though it was like that. And I don't know
listeners like if they get too many gps. But I
work in strandsuit bike stuff. I do World two white things.
But then you go to a motor GP race and
you forget how loud these bikes are and you sit
in the garages. And that's why the riders have microphones
to talk to their crew, because otherwise you sit in
there yelling. So they are very very loud. So it
(05:38):
is hard to hear the crowd, but you do. You
do know what's going on. You know what's going on
on the start line. You know on the last lap
of the race when they are absolutely going nuts and
those Hares crowd they go, they go. I remember being
in Hereth one year and on the start line there
was a guy with a chainsaw without the chain on it,
but he had the bar who's stroking sauce and he's
(05:59):
in the grandstead revving this thing.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And I looked over, they're going to test the fire us.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
That's that's good.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Mentioned the chainsaw must have got it go, must.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Have gotten going. But yeah, I was talking about Cruchie
tom Okaine and he's like, look at that. Where else
do you see that in the world. I have chainsaw
going in a grand sense. So yeah, going back to
those Latin crowds, they love it and they go off.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well, and you can only imagine what it would be
like if Fabio has some sort of a race weekend
that he did at Lamon that he did in Herreth
where that was you know, that qualifying lap And I've
been doing a bit of a deep dive on this today,
given how slow that Yabaha is through the speed traps,
what he was able to do on that qualifying lap
was you know, I'm Olden City all these days and
(06:47):
I've seen a million races of Chris. You've been in
a million of them, but that's one of those ones
where you see it happening in the moment you're looking
at it, going, oh my god, that this thing is
absolutely something special this minute and a half that we
saw around there to beat a jucaddi, because we know
Mark Mark has just collects poles for fun at the moment.
But it was a mesmerizing lap, and it was one
of those ones that sometimes you go to a writer
(07:08):
and say was there any more in that? And they'll go, oh,
it was a bit deep in here, and I was
a bit early on the throttle on there. He could
do that lap one hundred more times. He's probably not
repeating it. It was just magical.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It was magical, and it set up his whole weekend.
Let's face it. He could get the start from there
and he could be in the group. And it looks
like on some of it and heretha is a tier
track like Lemon, those sorts of tracks. If the Yamaha
can be ridden away, it needs to be ridden to
get the lap time ie not being held up in
the middle of a corner by a jucaddi. He can
get he can run with those guys passing him is
(07:40):
another thing, and it's easier for those guys to pass him,
but that set up his whole weekend and allowed him
to challenge for the podium. And let's face it, even
if Mark didn't crash, Fabio still would have been on
the podium. So it's it was a fantastic result. It was.
It's great to see a Japanese manufacturer starting to make progress.
I think Honda is as well, just not as quickly.
(08:03):
But yeah, watch out full the more because I reckon one,
jay Z will be pretty quicker out there as we.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Oh yeah, completely agree.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
All right, Well, I think the fire alarms stopped now,
so that's good and back to Moto GP. Back to
what I want to talk about. Alex Marquez goes into
this weekend leading the World Championships second time this season
as well, and we're only into round six, even though
it does feel like round six hundred because it's been
a hectic season so far. Talking after the testing and
(08:33):
stuff that we had last weekend, we know that Peker
has been struggling with the front end. You guys were
just talking about marcz as well. Do you think now
we're going to start to see or Chris, do you
think now we're going to start to see the factory
ducaddies start to break away or is this a circuit
like you said, because it's a bit smaller, does it
boast more group We'll see a bit more of an
even playing field for this weekend.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Look, I'm on the outside as well, and this is
only my opinion, but I don't think the step from
a twenty four GUK to a twenty five is as
big as say the twenty three to the twenty four
as you Caddy was. So I think I think it's
probably a little bit better in some areas and it's
probably still being developed in others. And we've seen that
in the past that once they get going, and you're
(09:15):
right asking this question, needs that they the factory bike
does start to take off. But I can't see the
advantage being as big as it was last year. Saying
that they've got the best two riders like Alex Makes
is doing a fantastic job, no doubt about it, but
he is not a Mark Muckers and he is not
a Peco Bagnia for a whole championship, So I think
the factory team will overtake him. I hope I'm wrong
(09:38):
because I love Alex. I think he's he's been given
a rough deal because he's Mark's brother. He's had to
really prove himself extra to which and he's there. But
I think Mark and Peco will be still the two
guys to beat, and I think Mike's just proven he's
hard to beat anywhere. He's just going to beat himself.
No one's going to beat him. It's only how many
(09:59):
mistakes does he make will not make? So yeah, let's
see how many, if any more, come, and how many
there are.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
It's interesting what you're saying there about the gap between
the twenty four and twenty five doesn't seem to be
as big as a gap between the twenty three and
the twenty four. I reckon we're going to get a
taste of when that twenty five is starting to pull
away as the better bike. Don't necessarily watch what Mark
and Peco are doing. Watch Fabio de jan Antonio. Here's
the other guy on the twenty five. So if you
start seeing Digia start rising towards the top and then
(10:26):
he's ahead of Morbidelli and he's fighting with Alex Marquez,
that's when you can see the twenty four maybe starting
to come back to the pack a little bit, because
Digi is the guy at the moment. He came in
super injury compromise as we know, and he's starting to
get there. He had that podium at Austin. But once
you start seeing him moving forward, that might be the
point where you go, all right, they've got the twenty
five sorted and that might be the biggest tell for
(10:48):
me as to can Alex Marquez maintain what he's done,
because he's been amazing these first five rounds. Certainly not
something I saw coming, but it's a long championship and
if he can maintain that level with that GP twenty
five ascending, I think that's going to speak volume for
what Alex is doing.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
You're one hundred percent right, and dig he is the
perfect gauge. I can't agree more, Matt, you know for
where that twenty five bike is. By going back, I
only spoke briefly about Alex Marquez, I one hundred percent
agree with you. It's been it's been outstanding, and I
think as soon as he got on that twenty four bike, well,
let's face it, it's completely developed. It's the championship number
(11:24):
one and two bike out of last year. It's perfect around.
It's just the fastest anything went around all the tracks
last year. And he's so he's gotten on it easy,
but wow, putting that together and consistent just bang bang bang. Yeah,
it might only be second places, but at second place
is to one of the greatest riders of all time.
Let's face it. So he is doing a sensational drill.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah great, What do you think those changed for him
this year? Because it feels like he has made like
a massive jump, but also not just the bikes made
the jump, but Alex himself. As a writer, I think
what things happened.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I reckon he's on a bike that's capable of doing it.
Sometimes when you when you're not quite there and you
try harder, you make more mistakes where you go worse.
You know you can over try it, And I reckon
he's on something that's very good, and he knows that
he's going to be good around that, and he knows
the tracks is very established. Let's face it, he's a
(12:20):
Moto three and a Moto two world champion, So he's
not slow in any any any weekend, but he's able
to and that's when you get the most out of
it when you can just knock it back that little
bit in the race and just go and he just
feels comfortable. I reckon well.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And you know it's interesting too you get to that
point where he's always been this sort of motor g
P race winner in waiting, it's more sort of potentially
a race winner. So now that he's gone and done it,
I'll be curious to see is you know he's operating
at this level We've never seen him operate at before.
Now that he's actually done it this proof of concept,
there is there another level that he can rise to
because that whole oh when are you going to win
(12:55):
a Grand Prix? That's done, that's in the bin there
we don't have to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And how cool would have I think to see him
and Mark actually have to fight. Oh yeah, there's a
lot of respect between them, right and Mark's very happy
for his brother to win the race and et cetera.
And I'm a massive Mark Markers fan. But when he's
actually got to fight his brother, or if there's actually
a weekend where Alex is quicker or outriding Mark, I
(13:23):
want to see how that unfolds because yeah, that'll be interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Oh yeah, you mentioned jay Z earlier Joan Zarco, you
said this weekend could be good for him. How do
you think the Hondas are going to go this weekend?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Chris, Look, I don't think it's a particularly great track
for the honder But I don't think there's any great
track for the Honda at the moment. I think Zarko
me is getting speed out of it, but he can't
stay on it for whatever reason that or so I
just ah anyway, but I think Look, I think Zarko
(13:57):
is a great writer. I think he's a CHAMPI I
think he's very very fast on the new motorcycle. I
think he's very clever at working with his engineers, and
he's got a great group of guys in that Elsier garage.
But I think what he's been able to get that
bike is good. And I think come along, you know
as a tracked well got a lot of support in France.
(14:19):
I think it will just add a little bit for
him well.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
And also there's an emotional aspect to him which you
know sometimes which I think in this instance is actually
really positive. Like sometimes you can have guys get overawed
by situations of having a home grown prix or pressure.
He strikes me as the sort of guy who will
rise with that and perform perhaps better because he doesn't
want to let people down. But Chris, this is interesting
for me, like he's been so good this year that
(14:45):
you can almost forget that he's thirty five. He's the
oldest guy in the grid now that Alaisha's gone. And
you look at where Honda is at right now, they're
clearly starting to come forward like a lot of teams,
they've got their riders on these two year cycles. But
Luca Marine's out of contract at the end of the sea,
and you've got this weird situation that you can almost
forget that Zarko is thirty five. If Honda is rising,
(15:07):
I wonder who the better guy for that seat is.
Me is contracted until the end of twenty six, as
we know. Do you want Marini's sort of technical ability
and ability to push a project forward behind the scenes,
or do you want a guy like Zarko who you
know his elbows are going to be out in races.
He's a pretty fearsome guy in handleby to handleback colmback,
and I don't think you should be looking at his
birth certificate and think he's getting any slower. I actually
(15:28):
think he's a really really strong rider right now. So
if you're honder and you're moving forward, Zarko is not
the future as we go forward to twenty seven in
this new rule reset. But I also think he's almost
too good to be in a satellite team right now.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Very much so. But I think Honda at the moment,
I think all four bikes and the two teams are
getting equal equipment, and I think the feedback coming from
the LCR garage now is just as important as the
I was going to say repsot goes, but the.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Fact, oh, actually it's usually really us.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
To because we've been watching that since what ninety five
excuse like, yeah, exactly, but yeah, the factory, the HC garage,
I don't think. I think Zako's on a HC contract
right and he's put in the LCR team. I think
he fits really well there. He gets on with his
crew chief and Christoph Borbignong's in the garage beef he's
(16:23):
been there forever, Luccio. There's a lot of important people
that gel and get the most out of it. Maybe
Honda won't want to upset that either, because maybe that
side of the team is giving them. That's one way
they're pushing. But Honda is going to be the biggest
change for next year. Let's face it, Chantra is he
going to keep her eye? Probably not Marini, mir I
(16:47):
think if Honda can get an Acosta, oh yeah, someone else,
it's going to happen and they'll go for it. And
let's face it, they've got as big a check book
as anyone, so they can afford to go there. And
KADM doesn't look like it's out of the doldrums just yet.
It's there's watch this space is what's going to happen there?
I reckon.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'm so glad you brought that up because that was
the next thing I wanted to talk to him mat about,
was Matt, you wrote this fantastic piece on Pedro, Acosta
and KATM that went out on Fox sports dot com
A four slash Motorsport yesterday, and when I was reading that,
you look at Pedro, you look at his background, where
he's come from, and it seems like this shit just
like a switch has changed. And we spoke about this
(17:29):
a lot on the pod. For me, he just looks
miserable at the moment. What was your take, mat Obviously,
when you're writing that article, do you see a light
coming for Pedro or do you think that these rumors
that we keep bringing up are they going to come
to fruition.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
There's an impatience with him, and it's the way he speaks,
it's the way he walks, it's the way that he
just rolls in life. He's a guy who's in a
hurry to do everything yesterday, which is partly the reason
he is where he is. Is a twenty year old
in murder GP. It's a great thing, but it's also
not a great if you're not aligned with the manufacturer's
timeline that you're on at the moment. Now we know
(18:05):
KTM they've had their financial difficulties over the off season
and they've had to perhaps sort of pull back the
rains a little bit. Pedro does want to hear that,
and yes, he's been there the whole time. He's come
through Moto three, he's come through Motor two, is close
with Aki. But Pedro Acosta was annoyed with his rookie
season last year because he didn't win a race, which
he had one of the better rookie season certainly the
(18:25):
beginning of it was an incredible he's super impatient for success,
and so asking him to just sort of just sit back,
chill out, we'll get this right in a few years.
He doesn't want to hear that, like he's he's going
to be twenty three and three years time, but he's
not thinking about three years time. And so the Honda
thing's super interesting is Chris Ray's there because we know
Honda has a pretty heavy check book and certainly no
(18:48):
shortage of ambition. And if you had to back one
of these manufacturers to get a completely clean sheet of
paper right from twenty twenty seven, where we're taking will
the arrow off the bike, so we going to a
new engine. Speck Arro's been the thing that's brought to
Caddy forward to this position of complete dominance right now.
You take all of the Caddy's toys away from him
the minute it kind of levels the playing field a
little bit. So the key is being out of contract
(19:11):
at the right time to be with the right manufacturer.
We see this in motorsport anywhere when there's big rule changes.
Hond would be a great bet for twenty seven, but
he's Pedro going to be patient enough to sign on
with them or try and break a contract or put
his faith in them for twenty seven when he's annoyed
that he didn't win last week in the week before that,
Like there's it's a really interesting conundrum because I'm not
(19:31):
sure he's going to find a manufacturer that's on his timeline,
but which any of these manufacturers would sign him tomorrow
if they had a chance to. But then he's got
to read the tea leaves a little bit and try
and align himself with the right one. It's a super
interesting situation, I reckon it's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I think anyone would sign him except you, Caddy. I
don't know, because they've got their books full, haven't they.
They already had to let the world champion go from
last year. So but you're right, I think Yamaha or Honda,
let's face it, the other two main ones or pretty
are they're they're gonna they would sign him in a
heartbeat for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Talking about KTM, let's talk about the Maverick situation, because
I feel like this weekend Tech three tech T I
should say their home race. Maverick's been on fire these
last two Chris, what's your take on this because we've
spoke about it before, haven't we, Matt, and Matt's saying,
I love is it's some have Rick Vignale's like, you
(20:26):
just don't know what you're going to get each weekend.
It's like a bag of surprises. How has your take
on him with Tech three and KTM been this year?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Well, he's one of the older riders in the championship, right,
And it goes back to hell that was the next
writer after me that won on a Suzuki. So I've
known Maverick Friendly as a mate for a long time
and I can never understand how he can be so
quick and then so average, and then you go testing
and he's the fastest guy by a mile. We can't.
(20:57):
Now he's on a KTM and he's rap and he's battling,
and he's making moves and making passes that stick, and
I'm just wow, I've never seen that. So there's obviously
something there that's making him very comfortable. So I think, look,
it goes back to Moto GP is a formula, right,
It's not the old days of five hundreds where it
(21:19):
was you've got to have a five hundred CEC and
that's the end. Of the rules. They're on the same breaks,
they're on the same tiers, they're on the same ECUs.
There's so many things that are that are identical, and
it's a formula. Now. I think the KTM is just
that much different to every other bike he's been on
recently that he's gone on. There's actually some things here
that I can get out of this to make work
(21:40):
for me. And whether that's WP suspension, whether it's the
still Trellis frame, the feeling of that, I don't know
what it is, but it looks like it's working and
it's exciting because it's it's brought something else in so
and Maverick's a strange unit. Like I said, I know
him quite well. There's no doubt about it. He is unique.
But I like the guy. He's good hearted, he's a
(22:03):
nice boke. He's a great family man, and I want
to see him do well.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
He's the most appropriately named murder GP writer of all
time because he actually is what it says on his
birth certificate. But the thing that was really interesting actually
for U Chris after Spain, I think it was he
was being asked about his adaptation to the KTM, having
come in from another manufacturer as Bastianini his teammate has done.
And Vignalde's take was, all the other KTM riders are
(22:29):
complaining about the vibrating and we remember Jack Miller. This
was like he sort of wheely thing, like the bike's
vibrating like crazy. We had that awesome slow mo shot
at Motigi last year. It looked like it was on
a trampoline. Maverick has come in and said, well, compared
to the Aprillia, this thing doesn't vibrate all that much,
and his thoughts and his thoughts on Bastini's saying, well,
Bastianini has come from the best bike and the most
sortied bike, and he's now having to adjust to this
(22:51):
thing that clearly isn't as good as a duc d
E GP twenty four. And you know, there might be
a little bit of gazemanship in those comments, but it
does make sense in that Anaas have very particular rider
likes things to be just so, and if you're dealing
with this bike that's vibrating like crazy and you're not
used to it, and Maverick's like, that's fine, I'll ride
around that, And maybe that's why he's getting the results
that the other guys aren't.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I think it's spot on, and the riders have come
from different different backgrounds, and you're exactly I believe you're
exactly right, because let's face it, those bikes were so
different and ay it did come off the best bike,
So yeah, I think that's probably right. You know, in
Prillier might not be the best thing out there, and
Maverick got it to work at sometimes, and so do Delash,
(23:32):
but we haven't seen it win many races, have we,
So yeah, I think you spot it on there, mate.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Before we move on to the most anticipated question of
what is your predictions for this weekend, let's touch on
Jack Miller because it seems like Matte, I feel like
you hit the nail on the head with this year.
Jack finds the ceiling really quickly and then that's kind
of where it is and we're still a really strong
start of the year. But now it seems Jack's back
(23:59):
to making silly mistakes or crashing out. What's your take
on Jack being at Promak Yamaha, Chris. Do you think
it's been a good move for him? And do you
think we're going to see Jack continue to be stronger
for the rest of the year.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
What was the only move for Jack Let's face it,
like being completely honest, he didn't have any other options,
so it is a good move if you want to
stay racing, and I think the Yamaha made a step
forward and he probably dodged a bullet getting off that KDM. Like,
let's face it, the company itself is not in a
great position, so it's probably worked out very well for Jack.
(24:32):
He fits with the Primac team really well, and a
couple of races there he's outperformed QUADRAO. He's outperformed rins
most of the time established Yamaha riders, so he's getting
a lot out of it. But you're right, needs there's
a few mistakes starting to roll in, but we are
only around six. So the thing for Jackie is how
(24:53):
many rounds does he have? Because there's no doubt about it.
Yamaha talking to other writers, they're going to be they're
going to be seeing what options are, not only for Jack,
but Miguel Lavera can't be secure where he is either,
I don't believe. So, yeah, interesting times because we saw
what Fabio did in Hereth as well, so the bike's
obviously making progress. So the potential is there.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned before that you know, it
wasn't like he had any other options. He was the
twenty second and last guy aside or the grid for
this year. But I reckon he's come along there at
a decent time as they've gone. You know, yes, there
was a vacancy there, but Yamaha has now got double
the number of bikes, double the amount of data. There's
a need for someone there with as you were saying, Ronita,
Jack gets to this ceiling fast and then maybe he
(25:36):
hits his head on it, or maybe he sort of
peters a log at a certain level. But someone with
Jack's experience with multiple manufacturers a to bring Yamaha up
out of the basement in the short term. But you've
also got to look what impact could he have going
forward when you know, at the end of twenty six
these rules go in the recycling bin, So what impact
can he have going forward there? I actually reckon he's
(25:57):
been a good asset for them. The results have tailed
off the last couple of races. Qatar was a disaster.
He had food poisoning, it was a shock or he
had an absolute mayor there and then that bizarre d
NF at her Reth where a piece of the body
work actually cut a cable that came loose and actually
actually sliced one of the because he was having all
these problems electronically because a piece of the body work
could actually shared off one of the cables in the ESU,
(26:19):
so the bike I didn't know where it was and
he was going absolutely nowhere. So that was one of
those Only Jack Miller could have that sort of retirement
retirements bad, really really.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Bad level of racing that just it just doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, that's like a one in a thousand shot. But
if anyone was going to tick that box on the
BINGO card, it was probably Jack. But I think his
impact behind the scenes there is just an experienced head.
I wonder if you gave Yamaha truth serum whether they
would have wanted to have signed OLIVERA for two years
and Jack for one, because I reckon if they could
have had a do over on that, they might have
flipped those two contracts because we've not seen enough of
(26:53):
Olivera to know whether he's really on top of the
Yamaha this year, and when the two of them were
on track together, Jack was Demonts probably better, So yeah,
curious one. I reckon he'll get another year. Chris, I
know about you, just simply because of where we are
in the rule cycle and the value he brings there.
And there doesn't seem to be like some young blokeout
of Moto Too that's knocking the door down to get in,
So it'd have to be another motor GP guy that's
(27:15):
parked at the moment, perhaps elbow him Outralue if yeah,
I see that.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, but I know Yamaha have some interest in him
and so on. But that that you're exactly right, I
think I think they will keep Jack. But yeah, let's
let's see, it's early stage and it's in Yamaha's you
know there are no rus because there's there's not many
guys coming through, right, so they can make the call
when they're ready to.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Matt, what should people look out for this weekend? Then
at the French Grand Prix, because we know turn three
being one of the highest crash corners on the whole calendar,
so I could possibly see some crashes there. But what
should what should the listeners look out for?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, no small accidents in the first couple of quarters
at Lamont for sure, but I kind of figured you
were going to ask me this, so I dove into
the database for you before he jumped on. So here's
a stat for you. Of the twenty three mTOR GP
events in the four stroke era, eleven of them have
either been wet or affected by rain at some point,
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so one in two basically more than any other track
over that period, so more than Silvestone, more than Philip Island.
Bring all your wardrobe to Philip Island because you're going
to be using it at some point. So at some
point this race weekend, and is it going to be
the Sprint, is it going to be in Q two,
is it going to be in the Grand Prix itself,
There's probably going to be some rain, so you've got
the opportunity for a bit of a mixed up grid.
(28:40):
And you rewind twelve months ago. Do you remember where
Mark Marquez finished on the podium in both the Sprint
and the Grand Prix last year and he was thirteenth
on the grid and watching his first lap in both
of those races last year was one of those ones.
After the race, I've got to go and see that
again because I've lost track of how many people he's
passed and where he's passed them. He was in those
(29:01):
first laps last year at both races. So I'm expecting
a little bit of rain. It's just when it happens
and what it does to the pecking order. Because if
we get a random Q two and you've got people
out of positions for the sprint in the Grand Prix,
then sign me up because it's a fun circuit. When
you get a jumbled grin, I reckon.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Chris, what's your take on that? You reckon? That's pretty
much back lang on, That's.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
What all the stats and he's pretty much bang on.
You go to Lomon, it was it's the middle of
somewhere and cold, get your jackets out. It is like
being a Philip Olin in October. So there's no difference.
And you're right, it can be very jumble. It's a
it's a short track, so there's a lot of laps
around there. I don't know the number seven, Yeah, so
(29:43):
it's hard. It's hard to be consistent for that or
that many laps. It's difficult. As the bike as tired,
it degregates. Yeah, and managing those situations, Mark was insane
last year. You're exactly right known the start of the race,
but the end of the race and how much pressure
he put on Peco and and Jorge at the end
of that Grand Prix on the old bike that was
(30:04):
clearly not to the same level as the as the
newer bike. And yeah, he's going to I think Mark
Market is going to be pretty special around there. I
know you're going to come with your tips, so just
put me down for Mark Mark because I think that's
going to do the double.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Do you think they will have issues with the tire?
I was just thinking because it is such a long lap,
so it's less of a long race, but the shorter laps.
Are we going to have issues with the tire infringement,
that tire pressures, things like that again because we saw it.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Could I don't know, because it's so long, I think
because it could be very cold and the weather can
change for equal Yeah, you know, it could be quite
warm on the on the Saturday, for example, and be
much colder on the Sunday, and that's for the team
to manage and for the rider to manage. Are they
gonna you know, do you set it to go out
in front and you know, so there's so many variables.
(30:54):
For me, it is the dumbest rule. They've got some
dumb rules in manor GP at the moment, and I
don't mind in my opinion, like all those bloody zones
that they run off in and get long like penalties
and all and yellow flag and qualifying and you can't
do a lap. I don't like that rule either. But
the tire one is the worst. It is. It just
doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Well, you saw that with Maverick in Qatar where he
was almost too fast for his own good and that
he got to the front and all the tire pressure
dove because they had set him up to run in
the pack, and then it's like, oh now Maverick's leading
the race. Oh dear Maverick, could you not lead the
race please? And then by the time he'd lost the
left of five laps and that was pretty much signed
his own penalties certificate on that one. And at the
(31:33):
end of the race, like literally as soon as he
crossed the line, I thought, okay, get ready for the
tire pressure penalty in three two wide and then there's
the investigation. And when it's in Qatar, I got to say, you.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Need to be under that temperature for fifty percent of
the race. Sixty Yeah, the race, but qualifying they can
run whatever pressure they want. Yeah, yeah, tell me where
the safety aspect. And Pedro Acosta last year got investigated
because he's high pressure went downe but his rim was
leaking air, so he didn't get disqualified. Now it's a
(32:06):
safety rule, and you're telling me that a leaking rim
is not unsafe.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I enjoyed the way they proved his innocence on that one.
They put the wheel in a weally bin full of
water and they looked at went, oh, these bubbles coming
out of this thing. It's clearly got to leak in it.
But it's a high tech mooto GP for you. But
getting back to the Vinyarlest penalty, you know, to let
people behind the curtain here. So I'm sitting there riding
the post race stuff, and because it's Qatar, it's like
four point thirty in the morning, and then when you
(32:32):
get the notification there's an investigation for a high pressure penalty,
which you know is probably a slam dunk. At that point,
it's like, well, here's ninety minutes of my life that
i'd like back at half past four on a Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
So done.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I probably should have done the smart thing and just
had to kip until I actually announced it. But yeah,
I'll maybe do that next time.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But there's been some other rule changes, right, all that
drama that happened in Coder with Marquez, there's been now
been a rule change with that saying updates, it's start
for see you rules and penalties for not following them
across the rule change now where you can writers contest
if they've missed x amount of races. Is that right, mate?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So you we should probably just call these the Mark
Marquez rule and the Joge Martin rule because that's the
reason they both bought in. You had, you know, Mark
with his comedy run off the grid at Austin and
cause a complete chaos and everyone else running off the
grid and delaying the Grand Prix.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
If you ask me, it wasn't Mark knew what he
was doing. It's just that he confused everyone else and
then Erta and Donna didn't know what to do. What
do we do now? So it's Mark knowing the rules
very well. That's the way I.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
See it well, and I love the There was a
lot of videos that came out subsequently from that where
you could see the other writers talking to their crew
chiefs and knowing that Mark's so good at reading the
conditions in that mixed stuff as well, So that's part
of it. And it's like if he goes, we go
and literally they're sitting there watching Mark, watching Mark, watching Mark,
and you can see Peco was on the robot. Yeah,
And as soon as Mark started running towards because he's
(34:02):
standing beside the bike because like he's clearly not on
the bike something, Something's about to happen here, and Pecko's
watching him, And as soon as Mark, where's Pecko's got?
It was comedy. But the other rule about the testing
for riders coming back from injury, effectively, this is what
a prialier wanted Joge Martine to do before he came
back for Qatar, and he wasn't allowed to. He had
to go out and ride a super bike somewhere, and
then obviously he had the misfortune of getting injured again
(34:25):
in Qatar. But hopefully when he's ready to come back,
and that's sooner rather than later, he can actually get
his feet wet and ride a mornergype bike somewhere rather
than turning up completely underdone like he was in Qatar.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
It's interesting that you say, and that's what a pretty wanted.
And Joe wanted a test because, let's face it, he
got bugger or pre season testing and they're going into
the third round, right and he's fourth round, he's done
no riding, and it had to be a unanimous decision.
And my understanding is gi Catti said no, yes, man,
they rule those technical rules. So it's hard, isn't it
(34:58):
so petty?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
As well? Like if you Dicatty won three thousand races
in a row and he won a world championship for
you last year, but no, you're not allowed to have
a one day test to see if your leg works.
But That'smoto GP for.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
You, yes, Lamoto GP.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Well, Chris said he's going to go for Mark dominating
this weekend. Matt, are you on the same bandwagon as that?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Look, I'm saying you Dicatti's going to win because the
Dacadi wins. So if they win this weekend. Incidentally, Todcadi,
that's the all time record number of Grand Prix wins
consecutively to be twenty three. So whenever I try and
pick you another winner in this I always think, well,
who else could beat one of the Ducaddi's on merit,
which is probably nobody. Let's factor in a bit of
weather chaos here, but I still think we're going to
(35:37):
get Dacati winning. But I reckon we're going to get
Yamaha on the podium again. And we had that awesome,
well potentially awesome podium in twenty one when Jack Miller
won that crazy flag to flag race and the other
two riders of the podium were Zarco and Quasharero. There
were no fans there. That was the worst part about
that podium because it was the COVID times. There was
no one there. And so I'd love a free on
(36:00):
that podium at Lamont on a Sunday. So let's get
Yamaha on the podium again and enjoy those scenes, because
it'll be complete chaos. If Quite finishes on the podium again, it.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Would be complete chaos. Well, they have you guys, all
three writers covered by twenty points in the championship. Any
mistakes are not going to go unpunished this weekend for
the French Grand Prix in Lemont, and you guys can
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(36:32):
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socials at Fox Motorsport. Everywhere, but from Matt Clayton and myself,
we're going to say goodbye Chris. Thanks so much for
coming on. Always good to chat with you, and we
will have you back on the pod hopefully very soon.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Sounds good, Thanks guys,
When life gives you, Lemon's Motor GP gives us one
of the most iconic stops on the calendar. So grab
a croissant, settle in. This is your French GP Preview,
brought to you by Shannon's Insurance. I'm your host, Rnita
Vmulin and alongside me, as always, is Matt Clayton. But Matt,
for this episode, we thought let's bring in the big guns,
(00:21):
so joining us is someone who knows exactly what it
takes to conquer Lemon, the two thousand and seven French
Grand Prix winner and former Moto GP racer Chris Vermullin.
Before Chris, I bring you on, Matt, I have to
apologize you're outnumbered by Vermulins once again.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, one of us on this podcast has to have
won a Grand Prix, and I don't know about you,
whether you've got some past you haven't told me about yet,
but it's not you. It's definitely not me. My Motorcycle
Riding Exploits will be the world's shortest podcast, but always
nice to have a Grand Prix winner, and particularly this
Grand Prix and Chris, this is like old times you
and I being on a podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
But.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Two as they still let us on. But my question
to you is, do you think when the French Grand
Prixs coming up, oh yeah, I won that, And then
you get out of bed and go, oh man, that
was a long time ago, because it's you're not quite
as live and supple as you once were.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
I would say, oh, you're one hundred percent right, and
it's funny and made of mine who loves none a GP.
And we talk about it a fair bit. He said,
I just watched the French race. It come up again,
and I said, I can't believe it's eighteen years ago. Yeah,
it feel it feels like it was a little while ago.
But five or six years, you know, not eighteen years ago,
(01:31):
two thousand and seven race, and what an iconic track.
The track is still the same as it was then.
But yeah, I do have great memories. I have greater
memories from other races, if you like. But that's my
if you that's that's the Grand Prix I won. It's
the one I still on the top of the party.
Suzuki's first win in a long time, and they didn't
(01:54):
get again Maverick Vignolas many years later. So yeah, he's
iconic for a few reasons, and yeah, glad to be
part of it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
What I like about the French Grand Prix is you
never know what's going to happen. It could be red flags,
it could be rain, it could be sunny and twenty
five plus degrees. And then we have what's happened so
far in the championship with last weekend, Fabio Cordorarro is
just pulling something out of nowhere and putting the Yamaha
up the front heading into the French Grand Prix. Two
French riders. But let's take you back eighteen years ago,
(02:23):
because I can't believe you just said that, Chris, how
do you master Lamon? What's the secrets to this track?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Then? It is a quick laptome around Leman is not
sacrificing too much entry speed and getting on the throat early.
It is a simple way to put it. A lot
of these long corners head on two straights and you
can make a lot of time, then you can lose
a lot of time there. So if you can get
that part right, generally you pretty quick around Lamon, but
(02:50):
obviously all these guys are quicker around them On. But
going back to the French riders being fast here it
is one of the busiest Grand Prixs of the year.
That the circus goes to two hundred thousand over the weekend.
The French crowd are absolutely nuts. No rider will get
any sleep in their motor home all weekend because there'll
be parties, there'll be noise in the campground, and there'll
(03:11):
be engines revving, a lot of croissant spang Eden as
you said before, And yeah, no, they love it and
they go they go nuts for it and winning the
race there, I have a great following, but I can't
imagine what it would be like to be a French
rider there because in that year that I did win
Sylvanian Tili took the lead of that race and the
French crowd went absolutely berserk. And now they've got two
(03:34):
front runners or two top riders, let's face it, world
champions in the class. They have really got someone to
cheer for.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's kind of for both of you. It's kind of
one of my nerd moments of the year. And when
they do the French national anthem before the race starts
and they just play like the opening ten seconds of
the music and then cut it off and the crowd
just takes over and it's full hair standing up on
your arms, and the way that front straight is there
with those two big grand stands, you've got huge tunnel
(04:01):
of noise going on. And you know, I mean the
crowds were massive when you were doing it, Chris, but
I mean now you saw the crowd they got in
there last year, that moment before that race. If you're
a French rider, I don't know how you keep it together,
quite frankly, because the emotions would be massive.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
They would be massive, wouldn't they And it is a
it's cool atmosphere. And not even not being French like
you said, Matt, and being on the grid and not
being French, it's cool. It's cool to be part of it.
They go mental, They just they just love it. They
love the racing and it's great that we've got crowds
like that. You know, that's what makes part of it
for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I have a Christian When you were just talking about
the crowds there before last weekend with in Harah, me
and Matt spoke about on the last pot is like
you could hear the crowd over the top of the
commentators and over top of the black noise. I know,
it's been a long time since you race. But can
you hear the crowd when it's like that or you
is it the noise just so drowned out by the engine.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well spl like you'd hear the crowd Moto GP because
they're so loud. Well, this Isuki, don't know if you
guys remember the Suszuki. That thing was bloody loud. To
be honest, you didn't hear much. You don't hear much.
And the thing is screaming well back in the day
at eighteen thousand rpm twenty thousand at times and loud. Yeah,
(05:16):
even though it was like that. And I don't know
listeners like if they get too many gps. But I
work in strandsuit bike stuff. I do World two white things.
But then you go to a motor GP race and
you forget how loud these bikes are and you sit
in the garages. And that's why the riders have microphones
to talk to their crew, because otherwise you sit in
there yelling. So they are very very loud. So it
(05:38):
is hard to hear the crowd, but you do. You
do know what's going on. You know what's going on
on the start line. You know on the last lap
of the race when they are absolutely going nuts and
those Hares crowd they go, they go. I remember being
in Hereth one year and on the start line there
was a guy with a chainsaw without the chain on it,
but he had the bar who's stroking sauce and he's
(05:59):
in the grandstead revving this thing.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And I looked over, they're going to test the fire us.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
That's that's good.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Mentioned the chainsaw must have got it go, must.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Have gotten going. But yeah, I was talking about Cruchie
tom Okaine and he's like, look at that. Where else
do you see that in the world. I have chainsaw
going in a grand sense. So yeah, going back to
those Latin crowds, they love it and they go off.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well, and you can only imagine what it would be
like if Fabio has some sort of a race weekend
that he did at Lamon that he did in Herreth
where that was you know, that qualifying lap And I've
been doing a bit of a deep dive on this today,
given how slow that Yabaha is through the speed traps,
what he was able to do on that qualifying lap
was you know, I'm Olden City all these days and
(06:47):
I've seen a million races of Chris. You've been in
a million of them, but that's one of those ones
where you see it happening in the moment you're looking
at it, going, oh my god, that this thing is
absolutely something special this minute and a half that we
saw around there to beat a jucaddi, because we know
Mark Mark has just collects poles for fun at the moment.
But it was a mesmerizing lap, and it was one
of those ones that sometimes you go to a writer
(07:08):
and say was there any more in that? And they'll go, oh,
it was a bit deep in here, and I was
a bit early on the throttle on there. He could
do that lap one hundred more times. He's probably not
repeating it. It was just magical.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It was magical, and it set up his whole weekend.
Let's face it. He could get the start from there
and he could be in the group. And it looks
like on some of it and heretha is a tier
track like Lemon, those sorts of tracks. If the Yamaha
can be ridden away, it needs to be ridden to
get the lap time ie not being held up in
the middle of a corner by a jucaddi. He can
get he can run with those guys passing him is
(07:40):
another thing, and it's easier for those guys to pass him,
but that set up his whole weekend and allowed him
to challenge for the podium. And let's face it, even
if Mark didn't crash, Fabio still would have been on
the podium. So it's it was a fantastic result. It was.
It's great to see a Japanese manufacturer starting to make progress.
I think Honda is as well, just not as quickly.
(08:03):
But yeah, watch out full the more because I reckon one,
jay Z will be pretty quicker out there as we.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Oh yeah, completely agree.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
All right, Well, I think the fire alarms stopped now,
so that's good and back to Moto GP. Back to
what I want to talk about. Alex Marquez goes into
this weekend leading the World Championships second time this season
as well, and we're only into round six, even though
it does feel like round six hundred because it's been
a hectic season so far. Talking after the testing and
(08:33):
stuff that we had last weekend, we know that Peker
has been struggling with the front end. You guys were
just talking about marcz as well. Do you think now
we're going to start to see or Chris, do you
think now we're going to start to see the factory
ducaddies start to break away or is this a circuit
like you said, because it's a bit smaller, does it
boast more group We'll see a bit more of an
even playing field for this weekend.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Look, I'm on the outside as well, and this is
only my opinion, but I don't think the step from
a twenty four GUK to a twenty five is as
big as say the twenty three to the twenty four
as you Caddy was. So I think I think it's
probably a little bit better in some areas and it's
probably still being developed in others. And we've seen that
in the past that once they get going, and you're
(09:15):
right asking this question, needs that they the factory bike
does start to take off. But I can't see the
advantage being as big as it was last year. Saying
that they've got the best two riders like Alex Makes
is doing a fantastic job, no doubt about it, but
he is not a Mark Muckers and he is not
a Peco Bagnia for a whole championship, So I think
the factory team will overtake him. I hope I'm wrong
(09:38):
because I love Alex. I think he's he's been given
a rough deal because he's Mark's brother. He's had to
really prove himself extra to which and he's there. But
I think Mark and Peco will be still the two
guys to beat, and I think Mike's just proven he's
hard to beat anywhere. He's just going to beat himself.
No one's going to beat him. It's only how many
(09:59):
mistakes does he make will not make? So yeah, let's
see how many, if any more, come, and how many
there are.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
It's interesting what you're saying there about the gap between
the twenty four and twenty five doesn't seem to be
as big as a gap between the twenty three and
the twenty four. I reckon we're going to get a
taste of when that twenty five is starting to pull
away as the better bike. Don't necessarily watch what Mark
and Peco are doing. Watch Fabio de jan Antonio. Here's
the other guy on the twenty five. So if you
start seeing Digia start rising towards the top and then
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he's ahead of Morbidelli and he's fighting with Alex Marquez,
that's when you can see the twenty four maybe starting
to come back to the pack a little bit, because
Digi is the guy at the moment. He came in
super injury compromise as we know, and he's starting to
get there. He had that podium at Austin. But once
you start seeing him moving forward, that might be the
point where you go, all right, they've got the twenty
five sorted and that might be the biggest tell for
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me as to can Alex Marquez maintain what he's done,
because he's been amazing these first five rounds. Certainly not
something I saw coming, but it's a long championship and
if he can maintain that level with that GP twenty
five ascending, I think that's going to speak volume for
what Alex is doing.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
You're one hundred percent right, and dig he is the
perfect gauge. I can't agree more, Matt, you know for
where that twenty five bike is. By going back, I
only spoke briefly about Alex Marquez, I one hundred percent
agree with you. It's been it's been outstanding, and I
think as soon as he got on that twenty four bike, well,
let's face it, it's completely developed. It's the championship number
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one and two bike out of last year. It's perfect around.
It's just the fastest anything went around all the tracks
last year. And he's so he's gotten on it easy,
but wow, putting that together and consistent just bang bang bang. Yeah,
it might only be second places, but at second place
is to one of the greatest riders of all time.
Let's face it. So he is doing a sensational drill.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah great, What do you think those changed for him
this year? Because it feels like he has made like
a massive jump, but also not just the bikes made
the jump, but Alex himself. As a writer, I think
what things happened.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I reckon he's on a bike that's capable of doing it.
Sometimes when you when you're not quite there and you
try harder, you make more mistakes where you go worse.
You know you can over try it, And I reckon
he's on something that's very good, and he knows that
he's going to be good around that, and he knows
the tracks is very established. Let's face it, he's a
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Moto three and a Moto two world champion, So he's
not slow in any any any weekend, but he's able
to and that's when you get the most out of
it when you can just knock it back that little
bit in the race and just go and he just
feels comfortable. I reckon well.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And you know it's interesting too you get to that
point where he's always been this sort of motor g
P race winner in waiting, it's more sort of potentially
a race winner. So now that he's gone and done it,
I'll be curious to see is you know he's operating
at this level We've never seen him operate at before.
Now that he's actually done it this proof of concept,
there is there another level that he can rise to
because that whole oh when are you going to win
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a Grand Prix? That's done, that's in the bin there
we don't have to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And how cool would have I think to see him
and Mark actually have to fight. Oh yeah, there's a
lot of respect between them, right and Mark's very happy
for his brother to win the race and et cetera.
And I'm a massive Mark Markers fan. But when he's
actually got to fight his brother, or if there's actually
a weekend where Alex is quicker or outriding Mark, I
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want to see how that unfolds because yeah, that'll be interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Oh yeah, you mentioned jay Z earlier Joan Zarco, you
said this weekend could be good for him. How do
you think the Hondas are going to go this weekend?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Chris, Look, I don't think it's a particularly great track
for the honder But I don't think there's any great
track for the Honda at the moment. I think Zarko
me is getting speed out of it, but he can't
stay on it for whatever reason that or so I
just ah anyway, but I think Look, I think Zarko
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is a great writer. I think he's a CHAMPI I
think he's very very fast on the new motorcycle. I
think he's very clever at working with his engineers, and
he's got a great group of guys in that Elsier garage.
But I think what he's been able to get that
bike is good. And I think come along, you know
as a tracked well got a lot of support in France.
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I think it will just add a little bit for
him well.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
And also there's an emotional aspect to him which you
know sometimes which I think in this instance is actually
really positive. Like sometimes you can have guys get overawed
by situations of having a home grown prix or pressure.
He strikes me as the sort of guy who will
rise with that and perform perhaps better because he doesn't
want to let people down. But Chris, this is interesting
for me, like he's been so good this year that
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you can almost forget that he's thirty five. He's the
oldest guy in the grid now that Alaisha's gone. And
you look at where Honda is at right now, they're
clearly starting to come forward like a lot of teams,
they've got their riders on these two year cycles. But
Luca Marine's out of contract at the end of the sea,
and you've got this weird situation that you can almost
forget that Zarko is thirty five. If Honda is rising,
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I wonder who the better guy for that seat is.
Me is contracted until the end of twenty six, as
we know. Do you want Marini's sort of technical ability
and ability to push a project forward behind the scenes,
or do you want a guy like Zarko who you
know his elbows are going to be out in races.
He's a pretty fearsome guy in handleby to handleback colmback,
and I don't think you should be looking at his
birth certificate and think he's getting any slower. I actually
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think he's a really really strong rider right now. So
if you're honder and you're moving forward, Zarko is not
the future as we go forward to twenty seven in
this new rule reset. But I also think he's almost
too good to be in a satellite team right now.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Very much so. But I think Honda at the moment,
I think all four bikes and the two teams are
getting equal equipment, and I think the feedback coming from
the LCR garage now is just as important as the
I was going to say repsot goes, but the.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Fact, oh, actually it's usually really us.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
To because we've been watching that since what ninety five
excuse like, yeah, exactly, but yeah, the factory, the HC garage,
I don't think. I think Zako's on a HC contract
right and he's put in the LCR team. I think
he fits really well there. He gets on with his
crew chief and Christoph Borbignong's in the garage beef he's
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been there forever, Luccio. There's a lot of important people
that gel and get the most out of it. Maybe
Honda won't want to upset that either, because maybe that
side of the team is giving them. That's one way
they're pushing. But Honda is going to be the biggest
change for next year. Let's face it, Chantra is he
going to keep her eye? Probably not Marini, mir I
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think if Honda can get an Acosta, oh yeah, someone else,
it's going to happen and they'll go for it. And
let's face it, they've got as big a check book
as anyone, so they can afford to go there. And
KADM doesn't look like it's out of the doldrums just yet.
It's there's watch this space is what's going to happen there?
I reckon.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'm so glad you brought that up because that was
the next thing I wanted to talk to him mat about,
was Matt, you wrote this fantastic piece on Pedro, Acosta
and KATM that went out on Fox sports dot com
A four slash Motorsport yesterday, and when I was reading that,
you look at Pedro, you look at his background, where
he's come from, and it seems like this shit just
like a switch has changed. And we spoke about this
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a lot on the pod. For me, he just looks
miserable at the moment. What was your take, mat Obviously,
when you're writing that article, do you see a light
coming for Pedro or do you think that these rumors
that we keep bringing up are they going to come
to fruition.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
There's an impatience with him, and it's the way he speaks,
it's the way he walks, it's the way that he
just rolls in life. He's a guy who's in a
hurry to do everything yesterday, which is partly the reason
he is where he is. Is a twenty year old
in murder GP. It's a great thing, but it's also
not a great if you're not aligned with the manufacturer's
timeline that you're on at the moment. Now we know
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KTM they've had their financial difficulties over the off season
and they've had to perhaps sort of pull back the
rains a little bit. Pedro does want to hear that,
and yes, he's been there the whole time. He's come
through Moto three, he's come through Motor two, is close
with Aki. But Pedro Acosta was annoyed with his rookie
season last year because he didn't win a race, which
he had one of the better rookie season certainly the
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beginning of it was an incredible he's super impatient for success,
and so asking him to just sort of just sit back,
chill out, we'll get this right in a few years.
He doesn't want to hear that, like he's he's going
to be twenty three and three years time, but he's
not thinking about three years time. And so the Honda
thing's super interesting is Chris Ray's there because we know
Honda has a pretty heavy check book and certainly no
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shortage of ambition. And if you had to back one
of these manufacturers to get a completely clean sheet of
paper right from twenty twenty seven, where we're taking will
the arrow off the bike, so we going to a
new engine. Speck Arro's been the thing that's brought to
Caddy forward to this position of complete dominance right now.
You take all of the Caddy's toys away from him
the minute it kind of levels the playing field a
little bit. So the key is being out of contract
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at the right time to be with the right manufacturer.
We see this in motorsport anywhere when there's big rule changes.
Hond would be a great bet for twenty seven, but
he's Pedro going to be patient enough to sign on
with them or try and break a contract or put
his faith in them for twenty seven when he's annoyed
that he didn't win last week in the week before that,
Like there's it's a really interesting conundrum because I'm not
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sure he's going to find a manufacturer that's on his timeline,
but which any of these manufacturers would sign him tomorrow
if they had a chance to. But then he's got
to read the tea leaves a little bit and try
and align himself with the right one. It's a super
interesting situation, I reckon it's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
I think anyone would sign him except you, Caddy. I
don't know, because they've got their books full, haven't they.
They already had to let the world champion go from
last year. So but you're right, I think Yamaha or Honda,
let's face it, the other two main ones or pretty
are they're they're gonna they would sign him in a
heartbeat for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Talking about KTM, let's talk about the Maverick situation, because
I feel like this weekend Tech three tech T I
should say their home race. Maverick's been on fire these
last two Chris, what's your take on this because we've
spoke about it before, haven't we, Matt, and Matt's saying,
I love is it's some have Rick Vignale's like, you
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just don't know what you're going to get each weekend.
It's like a bag of surprises. How has your take
on him with Tech three and KTM been this year?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Well, he's one of the older riders in the championship, right,
And it goes back to hell that was the next
writer after me that won on a Suzuki. So I've
known Maverick Friendly as a mate for a long time
and I can never understand how he can be so
quick and then so average, and then you go testing
and he's the fastest guy by a mile. We can't.
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Now he's on a KTM and he's rap and he's battling,
and he's making moves and making passes that stick, and
I'm just wow, I've never seen that. So there's obviously
something there that's making him very comfortable. So I think, look,
it goes back to Moto GP is a formula, right,
It's not the old days of five hundreds where it
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was you've got to have a five hundred CEC and
that's the end. Of the rules. They're on the same breaks,
they're on the same tiers, they're on the same ECUs.
There's so many things that are that are identical, and
it's a formula. Now. I think the KTM is just
that much different to every other bike he's been on
recently that he's gone on. There's actually some things here
that I can get out of this to make work
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for me. And whether that's WP suspension, whether it's the
still Trellis frame, the feeling of that, I don't know
what it is, but it looks like it's working and
it's exciting because it's it's brought something else in so
and Maverick's a strange unit. Like I said, I know
him quite well. There's no doubt about it. He is unique.
But I like the guy. He's good hearted, he's a
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nice boke. He's a great family man, and I want
to see him do well.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
He's the most appropriately named murder GP writer of all
time because he actually is what it says on his
birth certificate. But the thing that was really interesting actually
for U Chris after Spain, I think it was he
was being asked about his adaptation to the KTM, having
come in from another manufacturer as Bastianini his teammate has done.
And Vignalde's take was, all the other KTM riders are
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complaining about the vibrating and we remember Jack Miller. This
was like he sort of wheely thing, like the bike's
vibrating like crazy. We had that awesome slow mo shot
at Motigi last year. It looked like it was on
a trampoline. Maverick has come in and said, well, compared
to the Aprillia, this thing doesn't vibrate all that much,
and his thoughts and his thoughts on Bastini's saying, well,
Bastianini has come from the best bike and the most
sortied bike, and he's now having to adjust to this
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thing that clearly isn't as good as a duc d
E GP twenty four. And you know, there might be
a little bit of gazemanship in those comments, but it
does make sense in that Anaas have very particular rider
likes things to be just so, and if you're dealing
with this bike that's vibrating like crazy and you're not
used to it, and Maverick's like, that's fine, I'll ride
around that, And maybe that's why he's getting the results
that the other guys aren't.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I think it's spot on, and the riders have come
from different different backgrounds, and you're exactly I believe you're
exactly right, because let's face it, those bikes were so
different and ay it did come off the best bike,
So yeah, I think that's probably right. You know, in
Prillier might not be the best thing out there, and
Maverick got it to work at sometimes, and so do Delash,
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but we haven't seen it win many races, have we,
So yeah, I think you spot it on there, mate.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Before we move on to the most anticipated question of
what is your predictions for this weekend, let's touch on
Jack Miller because it seems like Matte, I feel like
you hit the nail on the head with this year.
Jack finds the ceiling really quickly and then that's kind
of where it is and we're still a really strong
start of the year. But now it seems Jack's back
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to making silly mistakes or crashing out. What's your take
on Jack being at Promak Yamaha, Chris. Do you think
it's been a good move for him? And do you
think we're going to see Jack continue to be stronger
for the rest of the year.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
What was the only move for Jack Let's face it,
like being completely honest, he didn't have any other options,
so it is a good move if you want to
stay racing, and I think the Yamaha made a step
forward and he probably dodged a bullet getting off that KDM. Like,
let's face it, the company itself is not in a
great position, so it's probably worked out very well for Jack.
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He fits with the Primac team really well, and a
couple of races there he's outperformed QUADRAO. He's outperformed rins
most of the time established Yamaha riders, so he's getting
a lot out of it. But you're right, needs there's
a few mistakes starting to roll in, but we are
only around six. So the thing for Jackie is how
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many rounds does he have? Because there's no doubt about it.
Yamaha talking to other writers, they're going to be they're
going to be seeing what options are, not only for Jack,
but Miguel Lavera can't be secure where he is either,
I don't believe. So, yeah, interesting times because we saw
what Fabio did in Hereth as well, so the bike's
obviously making progress. So the potential is there.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned before that you know, it
wasn't like he had any other options. He was the
twenty second and last guy aside or the grid for
this year. But I reckon he's come along there at
a decent time as they've gone. You know, yes, there
was a vacancy there, but Yamaha has now got double
the number of bikes, double the amount of data. There's
a need for someone there with as you were saying, Ronita,
Jack gets to this ceiling fast and then maybe he
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hits his head on it, or maybe he sort of
peters a log at a certain level. But someone with
Jack's experience with multiple manufacturers a to bring Yamaha up
out of the basement in the short term. But you've
also got to look what impact could he have going
forward when you know, at the end of twenty six
these rules go in the recycling bin, So what impact
can he have going forward there? I actually reckon he's
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been a good asset for them. The results have tailed
off the last couple of races. Qatar was a disaster.
He had food poisoning, it was a shock or he
had an absolute mayor there and then that bizarre d
NF at her Reth where a piece of the body
work actually cut a cable that came loose and actually
actually sliced one of the because he was having all
these problems electronically because a piece of the body work
could actually shared off one of the cables in the ESU,
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so the bike I didn't know where it was and
he was going absolutely nowhere. So that was one of
those Only Jack Miller could have that sort of retirement
retirements bad, really really.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Bad level of racing that just it just doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, that's like a one in a thousand shot. But
if anyone was going to tick that box on the
BINGO card, it was probably Jack. But I think his
impact behind the scenes there is just an experienced head.
I wonder if you gave Yamaha truth serum whether they
would have wanted to have signed OLIVERA for two years
and Jack for one, because I reckon if they could
have had a do over on that, they might have
flipped those two contracts because we've not seen enough of
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Olivera to know whether he's really on top of the
Yamaha this year, and when the two of them were
on track together, Jack was Demonts probably better, So yeah,
curious one. I reckon he'll get another year. Chris, I
know about you, just simply because of where we are
in the rule cycle and the value he brings there.
And there doesn't seem to be like some young blokeout
of Moto Too that's knocking the door down to get in,
So it'd have to be another motor GP guy that's
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parked at the moment, perhaps elbow him Outralue if yeah,
I see that.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, but I know Yamaha have some interest in him
and so on. But that that you're exactly right, I
think I think they will keep Jack. But yeah, let's
let's see, it's early stage and it's in Yamaha's you
know there are no rus because there's there's not many
guys coming through, right, so they can make the call
when they're ready to.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Matt, what should people look out for this weekend? Then
at the French Grand Prix, because we know turn three
being one of the highest crash corners on the whole calendar,
so I could possibly see some crashes there. But what
should what should the listeners look out for?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, no small accidents in the first couple of quarters
at Lamont for sure, but I kind of figured you
were going to ask me this, so I dove into
the database for you before he jumped on. So here's
a stat for you. Of the twenty three mTOR GP
events in the four stroke era, eleven of them have
either been wet or affected by rain at some point,
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so one in two basically more than any other track
over that period, so more than Silvestone, more than Philip Island.
Bring all your wardrobe to Philip Island because you're going
to be using it at some point. So at some
point this race weekend, and is it going to be
the Sprint, is it going to be in Q two,
is it going to be in the Grand Prix itself,
There's probably going to be some rain, so you've got
the opportunity for a bit of a mixed up grid.
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And you rewind twelve months ago. Do you remember where
Mark Marquez finished on the podium in both the Sprint
and the Grand Prix last year and he was thirteenth
on the grid and watching his first lap in both
of those races last year was one of those ones.
After the race, I've got to go and see that
again because I've lost track of how many people he's
passed and where he's passed them. He was in those
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first laps last year at both races. So I'm expecting
a little bit of rain. It's just when it happens
and what it does to the pecking order. Because if
we get a random Q two and you've got people
out of positions for the sprint in the Grand Prix,
then sign me up because it's a fun circuit. When
you get a jumbled grin, I reckon.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Chris, what's your take on that? You reckon? That's pretty
much back lang on, That's.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
What all the stats and he's pretty much bang on.
You go to Lomon, it was it's the middle of
somewhere and cold, get your jackets out. It is like
being a Philip Olin in October. So there's no difference.
And you're right, it can be very jumble. It's a
it's a short track, so there's a lot of laps
around there. I don't know the number seven, Yeah, so
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it's hard. It's hard to be consistent for that or
that many laps. It's difficult. As the bike as tired,
it degregates. Yeah, and managing those situations, Mark was insane
last year. You're exactly right known the start of the race,
but the end of the race and how much pressure
he put on Peco and and Jorge at the end
of that Grand Prix on the old bike that was
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clearly not to the same level as the as the
newer bike. And yeah, he's going to I think Mark
Market is going to be pretty special around there. I
know you're going to come with your tips, so just
put me down for Mark Mark because I think that's
going to do the double.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Do you think they will have issues with the tire?
I was just thinking because it is such a long lap,
so it's less of a long race, but the shorter laps.
Are we going to have issues with the tire infringement,
that tire pressures, things like that again because we saw it.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Could I don't know, because it's so long, I think
because it could be very cold and the weather can
change for equal Yeah, you know, it could be quite
warm on the on the Saturday, for example, and be
much colder on the Sunday, and that's for the team
to manage and for the rider to manage. Are they
gonna you know, do you set it to go out
in front and you know, so there's so many variables.
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For me, it is the dumbest rule. They've got some
dumb rules in manor GP at the moment, and I
don't mind in my opinion, like all those bloody zones
that they run off in and get long like penalties
and all and yellow flag and qualifying and you can't
do a lap. I don't like that rule either. But
the tire one is the worst. It is. It just
doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Well, you saw that with Maverick in Qatar where he
was almost too fast for his own good and that
he got to the front and all the tire pressure
dove because they had set him up to run in
the pack, and then it's like, oh now Maverick's leading
the race. Oh dear Maverick, could you not lead the
race please? And then by the time he'd lost the
left of five laps and that was pretty much signed
his own penalties certificate on that one. And at the
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end of the race, like literally as soon as he
crossed the line, I thought, okay, get ready for the
tire pressure penalty in three two wide and then there's
the investigation. And when it's in Qatar, I got to say, you.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Need to be under that temperature for fifty percent of
the race. Sixty Yeah, the race, but qualifying they can
run whatever pressure they want. Yeah, yeah, tell me where
the safety aspect. And Pedro Acosta last year got investigated
because he's high pressure went downe but his rim was
leaking air, so he didn't get disqualified. Now it's a
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safety rule, and you're telling me that a leaking rim
is not unsafe.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I enjoyed the way they proved his innocence on that one.
They put the wheel in a weally bin full of
water and they looked at went, oh, these bubbles coming
out of this thing. It's clearly got to leak in it.
But it's a high tech mooto GP for you. But
getting back to the Vinyarlest penalty, you know, to let
people behind the curtain here. So I'm sitting there riding
the post race stuff, and because it's Qatar, it's like
four point thirty in the morning, and then when you
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get the notification there's an investigation for a high pressure penalty,
which you know is probably a slam dunk. At that point,
it's like, well, here's ninety minutes of my life that
i'd like back at half past four on a Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
So done.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I probably should have done the smart thing and just
had to kip until I actually announced it. But yeah,
I'll maybe do that next time.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
But there's been some other rule changes, right, all that
drama that happened in Coder with Marquez, there's been now
been a rule change with that saying updates, it's start
for see you rules and penalties for not following them
across the rule change now where you can writers contest
if they've missed x amount of races. Is that right, mate?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So you we should probably just call these the Mark
Marquez rule and the Joge Martin rule because that's the
reason they both bought in. You had, you know, Mark
with his comedy run off the grid at Austin and
cause a complete chaos and everyone else running off the
grid and delaying the Grand Prix.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
If you ask me, it wasn't Mark knew what he
was doing. It's just that he confused everyone else and
then Erta and Donna didn't know what to do. What
do we do now? So it's Mark knowing the rules
very well. That's the way I.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
See it well, and I love the There was a
lot of videos that came out subsequently from that where
you could see the other writers talking to their crew
chiefs and knowing that Mark's so good at reading the
conditions in that mixed stuff as well, So that's part
of it. And it's like if he goes, we go
and literally they're sitting there watching Mark, watching Mark, watching Mark,
and you can see Peco was on the robot. Yeah,
And as soon as Mark started running towards because he's
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standing beside the bike because like he's clearly not on
the bike something, Something's about to happen here, and Pecko's
watching him, And as soon as Mark, where's Pecko's got?
It was comedy. But the other rule about the testing
for riders coming back from injury, effectively, this is what
a prialier wanted Joge Martine to do before he came
back for Qatar, and he wasn't allowed to. He had
to go out and ride a super bike somewhere, and
then obviously he had the misfortune of getting injured again
(34:25):
in Qatar. But hopefully when he's ready to come back,
and that's sooner rather than later, he can actually get
his feet wet and ride a mornergype bike somewhere rather
than turning up completely underdone like he was in Qatar.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
It's interesting that you say, and that's what a pretty wanted.
And Joe wanted a test because, let's face it, he
got bugger or pre season testing and they're going into
the third round, right and he's fourth round, he's done
no riding, and it had to be a unanimous decision.
And my understanding is gi Catti said no, yes, man,
they rule those technical rules. So it's hard, isn't it
(34:58):
so petty?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
As well? Like if you Dicatty won three thousand races
in a row and he won a world championship for
you last year, but no, you're not allowed to have
a one day test to see if your leg works.
But That'smoto GP for.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
You, yes, Lamoto GP.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Well, Chris said he's going to go for Mark dominating
this weekend. Matt, are you on the same bandwagon as that?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Look, I'm saying you Dicatti's going to win because the
Dacadi wins. So if they win this weekend. Incidentally, Todcadi,
that's the all time record number of Grand Prix wins
consecutively to be twenty three. So whenever I try and
pick you another winner in this I always think, well,
who else could beat one of the Ducaddi's on merit,
which is probably nobody. Let's factor in a bit of
weather chaos here, but I still think we're going to
(35:37):
get Dacati winning. But I reckon we're going to get
Yamaha on the podium again. And we had that awesome,
well potentially awesome podium in twenty one when Jack Miller
won that crazy flag to flag race and the other
two riders of the podium were Zarco and Quasharero. There
were no fans there. That was the worst part about
that podium because it was the COVID times. There was
no one there. And so I'd love a free on
(36:00):
that podium at Lamont on a Sunday. So let's get
Yamaha on the podium again and enjoy those scenes, because
it'll be complete chaos. If Quite finishes on the podium again, it.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Would be complete chaos. Well, they have you guys, all
three writers covered by twenty points in the championship. Any
mistakes are not going to go unpunished this weekend for
the French Grand Prix in Lemont, and you guys can
catch all the action live and add break Free on
Fox Sports and KO Plus. Keep up to date with
all Mad's articles on Fox sports dot com, do AU
(36:32):
forward Slash Motorsport, and stay up to date with our
socials at Fox Motorsport. Everywhere, but from Matt Clayton and myself,
we're going to say goodbye Chris. Thanks so much for
coming on. Always good to chat with you, and we
will have you back on the pod hopefully very soon.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Sounds good, Thanks guys,
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