A Belated Halloween Episode

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Welcome back to Podcast for Cover, everyone.
We're your host, David O. And Eric B.
And today we're doing, you know,a special topic episode for, you
know, very weird for a holiday episode.
I think we did. We, we, we did a.
We did a Christmas episode. Last year and we'll do another

(00:24):
one, you know, this year, but I can't remember.
I'll have to. We'll have to go back and listen
to it just so we don't rehash. David was very adamant about
this this episode on Halloween. I am I am I, you know I, I.
I am not as adamant. I kind of think Halloween's a
How do I put this, you think? It's a garbage a.

(00:46):
Silly holiday. Why is it a silly holiday?
I think it's for those people who don't feel comfortable in
their own skin. Oh, hot tea.
You're taking like, see, you're not looking at the, the the very
the history of it. Oh, we're looking at the history

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of. All of all of it.
All Hollows, Eve Sawin, all of it.
Well, I'm just looking at the silliness of Halloween.
I know you are and. I think it's funny how it's like
turned into this thing where women dress up as like slutty
versions of whatever. Of whatever.
Yeah, and that's goofy. Men kind of dress up but kind of

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don't like half ass. They it's like they half ass
their costumes. Like my brother-in-law the other
day it like he just wore a suit and my my sister put like green,
like very light green makeup on him and he's like, I'm
Frankenstein. I'm like, are you?
Yeah, but so, but you know, you,you go back to like the the

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origins of it with, you know, even even hit like Latin America
with Dia de Los Muertos, which is November 1st, which is, you
know, their version of All Saints Day, which comes right
after. Which is separate from Cinco,
right? Yeah.
Cinco de Mayo is entirely different.

(02:11):
Yeah, so wait, so is. So All Hallows Eve.
Is hold on, let let's stick withthat.
Coco is about which which day. That's Dia de Los Muertos.
That's November 1st. OK, so it's not about Cinco de
Mayo. No, I just wanted to make sure.
Yeah. I didn't know, you know.
No, because that's the Day of the Dead.

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So Even so many, many different cultures have this level of
celebration for, you know, whether it's like the end of the
harvest season, the beginning oflike, like really transitioning
into autumn and like winter and everything, but all like it.

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Yeah. It was it was a harvest festival
that, you know, throughout the years, several different, you
know, goofy traditions came about before the like the the
solstice, which is another two months away in, in around
Christmas, which is the real origins of Christmas.

(03:15):
Like it's a it's all Pagan stuffthat is that has been changed
and rearranged and fucked aroundwith until where where we're we
are where we are today. I.
Did forget I was speaking to a polytheist.
So this is really your holiday. Well, technically all of them
are, if you want to fucking talkabout it.
I've already talked to you aboutthis.

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Christmas is owned by the capitalist.
No, it is our holiday, Sir. It is ours.
We own it. OK, your economy.
We're gonna we're gonna fucking talk about this in two months.
We'll talk about this in two months.
We're focusing on Halloween tonight.
So back in the day. Let's keep it, you know, for our
our listeners as far as it goes with using.

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Was Halloween ever a big time for using for you?
You're asking me yeah, I we've already been over this Halloween
is not a holiday that I. So you never.
Particularly celebrated. You never had like a drunken
Halloween parties. No, really.
I mean, I would go to Halloween parties and then people would be

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like, Eric, why aren't you dressed up?
And I was like this again. And I'd be like, OK, whatever.
So you're the party pooper. I guess I am the party.
Pooper I. Was called out.
I went to a Halloween party for kids the other day and at my
cousin's house and she was like,everyone looks great except for
Eric. Yeah.
Why don't you get into it? It's it's, it's fun to be goofy

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for a day. I, I could.
It's more of just my, you know. Your cynicism.
Cynicism is so strong that I'm just like, this is really dumb.
So what? What if your daughter comes to
you and. Oh, I'm already dressing up,
Daddy. Daughter, I want you to be this

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with me. For Halloween, I I'm already
being a bear. There you go.
But that's different. That's not a party.
That's just going trick or treating.
I get that, yeah. So.
But but. I'm willing to dress up.
I'm I just think it is a very itis childish ad holiday dude.

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Isn't that good though? Aren't you tired of being a
fucking adult for 364 days? No, we've talked about this,
David. Where I am right now is where I
belong and I'm happy. I in my skin, dude, I know I
know you, you, you have you love.
I know you loved high school, but I I love, I love being an

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adult. It sucks dude.
I mean, there's certain things that are really annoying and
stressful and blah blah blah, but do I want to go back to a
time where, like where? I didn't have to pay bills.
Yeah, I don't. I don't know if I want that, you
know, 100% I do. I get it.
I get, I get why you would you would like that.
But yeah, I kind of like this better, you know?

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But also I like for me, you know, candy was.
Candy and let's move on to candy.
No, no, no. Candy and chocolate were very
much my first like red flags of addiction which I didn't realize
until I got into recovery, but Iwould literally like.

(06:31):
Candy, I guess mine was. Mine was soda, Absolutely.
So that was my first. But what?
But what sort of behavior did you exhibit that was is like
addict behavior for sodas, just the amount that you?
Would drink. Yeah.
Mary Catherine has never told you these stories like this is
There's a reason I don't drink soda.
Like one time, like when we wereliving in Hamden, Mary Catherine

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brought a 12 pack of Coke and then and she was like going to
get one the next day and it was all gone.
You drank 12 cokes in one day, yes, that's horrendous.
Yeah, and that's why I don't drink soda.
Dude, I haven't. I like I haven't drank soda like
that in decades. I love soda.
I'm not a huge soda guy. Love Mountain Dew and.

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I love coke. Back in the day I loved Mountain
Dew. There was like.
Mountain Dew is a great dude. Mountain Dew is so fucking good
and so is so is Coke. You know Mountain Dew was
originally supposed to be a a Chaser Slash mixer for Scotch.
That that's wrong. No, it does not wrong terrible.
No, it is wrong. I'm saying their their objective

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wrong. I'm just but it.
That is not that is not the correct chaser for Scotch.
I don't agree exactly. I don't I don't think so.
I mean the the correct chaser with Scotch is a trash can in my
opinion. Like just take that shit throw
it in the garbage. Like I do not like Scotch, I
never like Scotch. However, I love whiskey.
What's that line in Anchorage? Whiskey.

(07:59):
Scotch, Scotch, Scotch, Scotch, Scotch, Scotch.
Now it goes down down to my. Belly Yum Yum Yum.
But Scotch was. Fucking terrible and but mount
Scotch created like oh this would be a perfect chaser for
Scotch. Scotch is like Brandy where like
unless you have like it's. Whiskey.
Like it's disgusting. Scotch is whiskey.

(08:19):
It's disgusting. Scotch is so gross it it's like
mezcal. Have you ever Did you ever try
mezcal when you were? Like yeah, mezcal.
Is is it's fucking. It's tequila.
It's like, let's take tequila and ruin it.
And here it is. It's called mezcal.
Yeah, totally. I mean, I think and like no
offense to our, you know, Hispanic drinkers out there, but

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I think most Hispanic alcohols and liquors are trash.
True. High level tequila is very good
if it's if it's bottom shelf tequila, it tastes like trash.
All their beer tastes. Like all their beer tastes.
Like all their beer is terrible.It all tastes like piss.
Dude it is awful and granted I had I had corona and Tecate and
both of them suck. Tyrone Corona, Tecate Corona to

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cut. Like, those are the two I had
and they're garbage. But I mean, even nowadays, like
I see so many parents out nowadays and you know, I'm gonna
segue into this thing. This is gonna be a hot take for,
you know, any parents out there.I fucking hate trunk or treat.
Trunk or treat is stupid. What?
Stupid. What?
It is a stupid fucking thing. Why I under?
I get it. Why don't I get it?

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Why? Listen, I get it.
It is for convenience. Where are you going?
Trick or treating? I'm going back to my old fucking
my neighborhood that I grew up in.
Does your neighborhood have a good trick or treating?
Sorry. Yes, Columbia is the if there
ever there was a model of somewhere you can perfectly go
trick or treating, it is Columbia, MD.
That's true. You guys have all those paths.

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It is. Dude you have paths the the IT
it is like quarter acre to 3rd acre lots that are within
walking distance of each other. You could hit easily 100 houses.
So we we're going to old Ellicott City because we don't
have that obviously go to. Columbia.
Well, no, we're going to go to Old Ellicott City, you know.

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Well, when our kids get older, we should do Columbia because
I'm, because I'm telling you, because I'm telling you it is
the stereotypical like experience for kids.
Like if you ever want a safe neighborhood where your kids can
go from house to house in rapid succession.
And, and you know, really, because there's tons of kids

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around it, it, it's close quarters, but not like city
close quarters. And, and it, it, it's my street
specifically, like if you drive down my street, you're like, Oh
my God, this is this is suburbia.
If ever there was suburbia, thisis it.
And when you go there on like I loved trick or treating as a
kid, fucking loved it. It was amazing.

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See, I didn't. I didn't care for it.
I loved it. But I'm also not a huge candy
person. See, I only like gummy bears and
and like white chocolate and that's it.
We'll circle back around. So my first red flags work was
candy because I would literally,and one specific candy was

(11:13):
Cadbury eggs. Love, love Cadbury cream eggs.
Still do. That's gross.
But I would, I would literally eat army crawl into my mom's
bedroom, go through her purse toget money so I could run up to
the CVS and get as many Cadbury cream eggs as I could.
So I was willing to steal money from my parents to go get the
thing that I wanted, which was Cadbury cream.

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Eggs, you are an addict, Sir. I am an addict and that is 100%
a red flag and I would eat so much of it.
Love candy. Yeah, love it.
But I like I, I don't eat it like that anymore.
Are you sure? Yes, Yeah.
I'm 100% sure. Yeah.
Dude I literally brought over some natural re mineralizing

(11:56):
gum. Re Mineral, yeah, you did bring
over a weird gum. Yeah.
It is dude. Once you taste it, you're like,
this is actually really good. And it is, I'm sure it.
Is my wife was super skeptical about it and then she tried a
piece. She was like that's really
fucking good. I was like, I know and it's
sugar free dude. Anyway, what type of sugar
though does it have? Like, is it like but I know, but
like, what's it's other like weird types of sugar, you know?

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It doesn't have any sugar. Are you sure?
I will read. The ingredients no, like I'm
talking about like not like thattype of sugar.
I'm talking about like xylitol or like.
Xylitol is not a sugar. Xylitol is a replacement sugar.
No it's not. Yes, it is.
I'm pretty sure. Xylitol.
Yes, it is. It's like something that dogs
can't eat. That doesn't do Dogs can't eat

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fucking grapes. I know, but xylitol is a like
natural sugar, like a Nat sugar replacement.
I'm pretty sure. I'm gonna look it up.
Xylitol. Oh, that's a lot of words.

(12:59):
Yeah, it's it. Looks and tastes similar.
So it is a it is a carbon sugar alcohol.
It's a sugar alcohol, yeah, so OK.
All right, whatever. It's actually good for your
teeth. Xylitol is actually really good
for your teeth though. Really.
Yeah. That's weird.
Yeah, Xylitol is best known for its dental benefits, such as
reducing the risk of cavities. It may also help with digestive
health and feeding good gut bacteria.

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All I know is it's really bad for for dogs.
Yeah, real bad for dogs. So anyway, back to Halloween.
Yeah, I loved all those traditions.
I'm also a big horror movie fan.I love horror movies.
I've actually been doing a horror movie thing with a couple
of my friends through Facebook. We've been posting.

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Yeah. What heart?
What? Why am I not invited into the
horror movie? Because.
You don't get on Facebook. I get on Facebook sometimes I
look at your videos that you send me.
OK, I I send emojis back Sir. That's true.
Dare you? That's true.
You do. How dare you?
You've been very good. Good for you.
I'm glad. No.
So my friend Rachel, who we've had on the podcast, wait two or

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three times. I know of Rachel.
Yeah, we've had her on several times.
Why can't I please her? Rachel irrelevant.
So she's a huge horror movie fanas well.
So you know, at the end of September, I was like, I was
like, Hey, do you want to have ahorror movie competition?
Competition in parentheses, likenot really meaning a competition

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in any way whatsoever, but just a fun thing where it's like,
hey, everyday let's let's watch a different horror movie and
post it on our Facebooks and chag each other just so we see
like what each other is watching.
And we're like, she was like, I'm so game for this.
And it has actually been super fun.
Like most of my shit has been like way more mainstream than
hers. And like, and I'm not saying

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like no, no, no, no, that's credit to her.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm crediting her that she's
like, she's posting shit. I'm like, I've never even heard
of that shit. I'm like, that sounds awesome.
And she's like, yeah, I found iton like, whatever.
And then I'm like, that's fucking.
Have you ever seen Pontypool? What's your favorite horror
movie? Scary Movie.
Oh my no, what a loaded dude. What's your favorite?

(15:15):
My favorite or the original Halloween, hands down.
Oh man. I'm not saying it's the best,
it's my favorite. That's totally different.
Probably 28 days later. Solid answer.
Solid answer. Probably just thinking about it
it. Is the best.
It's the best zombie. Movie it is hands down the best
zombie movie. Hands down, it's not even.

(15:36):
Close. It's not close.
It's not even close. I mean, if, if you put comedy
ones in there, if you put, if you put the comedy ones in
there, Shaun of the Dead, is, isis up there.
I think warm bodies is like starts to get up there a little
bit. Kristen loves warm bodies.
Warm bodies. I think I've seen a sweet movie.
It's very It's a great movie. I love Night of the Living Dead.

(15:59):
I like the remake of Dawn of theDead.
Dawn of the Dead Oh yeah, the remake with Dawn of the Dead
with Makai Pfeiffer and Oh yeah,all I.
Actually think it's better than the old one because they
incorporate different types of zombies.
Yeah, and like I also think it'sgreat than than she has the she
burst the zombie baby. Yeah, she has the zombie baby.

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Yeah, like Makai Pfeiffer has the zombie baby.
Yeah, great movie. Like, great fucking movie.
And I love when the sniper's on the roof and they're like, hey,
take out Burt Reynolds and they find the Burt Reynolds looking
zombie and they shoot him like it.
Fucking hilarious. Yeah, Ving Rhames is in that
movie. That's a fucking amazing movie.
It's a great movie. Top five Zombie OK, what's your

(16:41):
top five zombie movies? Let me bring a list of zombie
movies. I can.
I can do mine. I can do mine right off the top
of my head. My top start, top five zombie
movies, 20 Days Later, Dawn of the That, Dawn of the Dead, I
got to Go Zombieland, Shawn of the Dead and then Night of the
Living Dead. That's my top five.
All right, so 28 days later. With with honorable mention to

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World War Z. 28 days later, 20 weeks later.
OK warm bodies. OK, I'm looking through this
list. I'm I'll be shocked if you don't
have Shaun of the Dead in there.I mean, I'm gonna have Shaun of
the Dead. Yeah.
Shaun of the Dead's in there, OK?
To 28 weeks 28 days Shaun of theDead warm bodies.

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Then you got to come and. Probably the remake of of Dawn
of the Dead and then I'm going to put a honorable mention to
Pontypool because it's the most unique of any like.
I don't like I am legend. Well, we talked about this.
Yeah, we talked. About this I like I am the.
Story is very good. The story of I Am Legend is

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great, especially. But have you seen like the OG
version of that movie with Vincent Price?
No, I didn't. The last man the.
Last man on Earth. Is that what it's called?
Yeah, No, I haven't seen. That, yeah, yeah, I have it on
DVD, of course. You do.
I actually debated on watching it the other night.

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It was that it was between Last Man on Earth and the House on
Haunted Hill with Vincent Price,and we chose the House on
Haunted. Hill what?
Wait, what's your favorite Houseon Haunted Hill movie?
I think they're both good. But.
I think they're both good. But.
But nothing. I enjoy both of them.
I think they're entirely different movies.
The house on Haunted Hill from our childhood, yeah.

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With Femka Jansen and all that. It's a good movie with Chris
Kattan. Oh, it is Chris Catan.
Oh yeah, Geoffrey Rush. Jeffrey.
Rush is Jeffrey, Rush is the. Vincent Franca Jansen is awesome
in it. Peter Gallagher's in it.
Allie Larder's in it. Peter Gallagher is in it so.
Is like Taye Diggs is also in itOllie Larder.

(18:54):
Love Dolly Larder. Love Dolly Larder?
She's so hot. Hold on, is Idle Hands
technically a zombie movie? Technically Technically hold on.
Hold on, hold on. It's a.
Possession movie, but possession.
Yes, yes it is. But Seth Green, Seth Green and
Eldon Henson are zombies in thatmovie.

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Not wrong. Then they are technically
zombies. Then you could say Hocus Pocus
is a zombie movie. I mean, yeah, no, I don't think
I I'm just asking the question. I don't think so.
I mean, I don't think so. I don't think so.
I don't think. I think they're undead.
The question I think they're undead.
They're not zombies. Yeah, 'cause they're not going
after brains. They're just hanging out, you
know? I love.

(19:37):
I don't Hands is a great movie. I fucking love that movie.
So my and my wife does and she'slike, I'm over it.
I'm like, I'm not fucking over it.
She's She said that about the craft this morning, 'cause I
wanna watch the. Craft the craft.
How is she over the craft? She was like, that was my middle
school. I was like, I don't give a fuck.
Then you should fucking love. It I mean, Robin Tooney, dude.
Oh. Fucking Robin dude.
Tooney, AH. Furusa Bulk.

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No, I'm not as big on Furusa. I'm all about Robin, dude.
Frozen bulk if you're if you're listening to this by some chance
you caused so many fetishes in my life.
You seem like a David type of girl, Furusa. 100%.
Oh my God, Robin, you're my typeof girl.
Yeah, I'll. Put Nev Campbell as well.

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Nev. Nev.
She's in there, but, and I mean,Rachel True is attractive as
well. Yeah.
Dude and Christine Taylors in there I.
Just saw that Christine Christine Taylor is very
attractive. But yeah, oh, trunk or treat,
yeah, I hate it. I think it's a it is a
convenience level bastardizationof trick or treat for lazy ass

(20:42):
parents so they can get togetherand have fucking beers while
their kids are in a fucking parking lot.
Because of all the people like it's because I.
Only want to get together with my friends.
It's the news articles, man. It's like the stuff on the news.
So stupid people bullshit, and we knew it was always bullshit.
It is. Make sure check dude, every year

(21:03):
when we were kids, it was, you know, you heard the shit.
It was like, oh, check your, your children's candy for razor
blades. And it's like, who the fuck ever
put razor blades in candy? Like make sure there's not drugs
in your candy? Like who out there is wasting
drugs on fucking elementary school kids?

(21:23):
Not happening. Not happening.
I mean people I. Am not lacing a Snickers bar
with acid just to see a fucking 8 year old trip balls like a
psychopath. No, that shit does not happen.
It does I I don't think it happens.
No, I don't think. It happens.
It is a it is a level of fuckinggross paranoia.
Maybe it happens stupid once or twice and then that's how it got

(21:45):
so out of. Here all and all these fucking
Karens out there like, oh, let'sjust use our trunk.
We'll make it trunk or treat. Oh my God, that's so clever.
I I'll bring some I'll bring some vino.
I'll, I'll, you know, I'll bringa nice.
Some real A. Nice stiff Riesling and we'll
just sit apart parking lot. All our parents can hang out and

(22:07):
our kids will be safe and they can go from trunk to trunk with
every and we could decorate and it's fucking lazy.
It is fucking lazy. It's a it is a it is a halfway
between a trick or treat and a full blown Halloween party.
It is 1/2 ass bastardization of what this hot holiday.
The fun part of this holiday is and was and it fucking needs to

(22:29):
go. I hate it.
I won't participate in them. I think they're fucking stupid.
I don't care about trunk or treating, it's fine.
But I do think I'm sorry for yelling at me.
I worked at the mall for a long time, as did you.
You did worked at the mall too. You worked at a Hot Topic.
I worked at Sam Goody and one thing.

(22:50):
Both of those track for both. Of us yeah and one thing I very
on brand it's it's actually yeahthat's.
Perfectly on brand for both. Of us super on brand for both of
us that I worked at a record store and he worked at Hot
Topic. But I would say that like I
think that's just the new norm of Halloween with candy is going
to places like a mall or going to a place like Old Ellicott

(23:13):
City where there's a bunch of stores and getting candy that
way 'cause like also people, noteverybody celebrates Halloween.
And like you can go to some neighborhoods that are pretty
empty. Like if you go to my parents
neighborhood, like while I was growing up, there was all old
people. Like there was no fucking people
handing out candy. So it.
Sucks dude, it's not a neighbor.So like it's not each

(23:35):
neighborhood isn't, isn't equal,like they're not equal to each
other. So like I agree, you have to go
to those places. So like around here, like we
could go to like you. Could go to Columbia very
easily. We could, but Old Elkut City is
like where we live. So we're going to go to Old
Elkut City. I get that, you know, But we
could go to Columbia. We went to only a few years ago,
and that was fine, actually, Yeah.
I mean, Columbia would be fine. Yeah.

(23:57):
It's definitely something we could think about.
Yeah, we could. What's Magnet or what's your son
going to be? Words we we haven't narrowed.
Does he have multiple outfits like my daughter?
Yeah. She is a either going to be a
bear or a witch. We have not.
OK. She has not told us which one
yet. OK.

(24:17):
She was a witch last weekend. Yeah, you know, because witches
are witches. Give stitches.
Magnus does enjoy candy. He does enjoy.
Candy Evie's obsessed right now with Candy Obsessed.
He is picky though. He is picky, which is weird
because last year, last year he loved oh candy corn.

(24:38):
He does not care for candy corn anymore.
Dude, my daughter would eat scallops like a year and a half
ago and now, like, I can't get her to fucking eat anything, you
know? Yeah.
Did I hear you, I. Hear you So what's what's next
on our hatred of. Trunk or treat well, like did
you when you did do trick or treating, did you have a

(24:58):
favorite candy that you would get?
Anything that isn't chocolate soreally like and it actually no,
it's not true. So anything well.
Also, you have a tree nut allergy so you had to watch out.
For I have a tree nut allergy solike my my favorite.
Candy is woman joys. I've I've never liked, I've
never been a huge fan of chocolate and the chocolates
that I do like is I like white chocolate and I like dark
chocolate. I hate milk chocolate so I'm

(25:21):
weird. Now, do you like now do you hate
like all milk chocolate or do you hate American milk
chocolate? I just, I'm not a huge, I'm not
a huge fan of. European milk chocolate is way
better than ours. I'm just not a fan of milk
chocolate. I think it's like it leaves this
very annoying like texture in your mouth.
But see, I think, I think texture, I think that's.

(25:41):
Hershey's. I think that's Hershey's because
Cadbury does not have that same.Do you know what I'm talking
about? I know exactly.
And it's like this is like annoying, yes.
Hershey's, dude, Europeans eat Hershey's and they're like, what
is this? They're like this.
Why is it like gritty? Why is there like a grittiness?
There's it's supposed to be smooth and creamy, which it is.

(26:02):
Man going back to the craft, Robin Tooney.
Man, Robin Tooney. Tony is great.
Oh my God, she is so hot. She's also in Empire Records,
other great. Nights, I know.
And she shaved her head in that movie.
Fantastic, do you recall? Fantastic movie.
Of course I do. I.
Have to have a movie on DVD. That's a great movie.
My God, David, what are you going to do with all those DVDs
one day? Watch them for the rest of my

(26:23):
life and then pass them down to my son as they should be.
Because everybody should be buying physical media.
What? Yes, because it is up to the
whims of the fucking owners of the dude.
They could cut you off of fucking movies.
Oh, I'm I'm aware of how licensing works.
You know how that? Works once they want to take
that shit away. They can take it away and you
could never see it again if you don't.

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I. Dude, it happened with dogma.
I know it happened at Dogma. But luckily he just got the
licensing back. And literally just got it.
Yeah, but it was out of print for like a decade.
There's a lot of movies like there's.
A lot of movies that are out like that, like there was a
brief period of like the early 2000s where they were like, hey,
let's make DVDs of everything. And they did like they like even

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the old 1950s Moby Dick with with Gregory Peck has a DVDI
bought it because I fucking wantit.
But now they don't even make it anymore because they were like
like two people bought this like1 psychopath and David.
Yeah, I mean. But like the like the cultural
like icon level movies like Casablanca and you know, Gone

(27:29):
with the Wind, these are things that need to be like they don't
show them on TV. Like when we were growing up,
like there was a time it like one time of year.
It's like, oh, hey, Roots is coming on television, got to
watch Roots. Hey, Sound of Music is coming
on, got to watch that. Like The Wizard of Oz is coming
on. Got to watch that.
I mean you can find it if you need to find it like I can find.
Stuff, yeah, but until they takeit away and then they take it

(27:50):
away and it's gone unless you have the physical media.
Yeah. That's why I tell, especially
for like old campy movies, like old, old campy, like Tromo, like
horrors and shit like that. Like you got it, like The Toxic
Avenger. If you don't have it on like VHS
or or like early DVD, you're notgonna get it.
The Toxic Avenger. That's funny.

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I mean, there's tons of them. There's tons of them.
And there was only a brief period where like these things
were profitable to make. And it's only people like me
like weirdo fucking DVD collectors that still buy the
shit. Yep, I'm not buying it.
No. And I, I like, I love DVDs.
I, I love having the physical media.
I love CDs because I like, I think that's the important shit.

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It it sounds better, it it just is better.
I mean, I still have all my old stuff that like I ripped from
all my like I ripped everything before I sold it, so I still
have. We've we've gotten way far off.
Oh, yeah. Halloween.
Halloween. I think that's about it.
Like it what? I know.
Really. Yeah, I mean, what else this was

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a mini sewed like but there there is a there is a degree of
using to this holiday, but like.There's also a degree of
mischief to this holiday and if I know anything about David.
That's true. That's true.
David would have been doing mischief when he was a child.
Now. You shit in weird places.
That's true, that's true. But however, I did not sully the

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good name of Halloween and I never did.
I was never a tricker, I was always a treater.
I enjoy the treats. You don't enjoy the tricks.
I no, no, no, by all means, you know, do some scary shit like
scare some people, but like, youknow, teepeeing houses, egging
people's houses never did it because I did not like, I don't
like, I, I like the cheeky nature of, of the trick of like

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if you know, trick or treat the trick aspect.
Like if you're like scaring people and you know, doing stuff
like that, by all means, that's cool.
But once you're getting into like levels of like vandalism
specifically for a holiday, I don't like that just because I
don't, I don't think that's whatwe should be doing.
But if if like my my one neighbor's dad, he would always

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do this, which I plan on doing later in my life, he would
always dress like a scarecrow like he would have like.
He would pretend. And he would just sit on like
the, the porch look at like justall limp.
And then once the kids came up to like go trick or treating and
he did scare the shit out of youand like, and he would, you

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never knew like what years he would do it.
So he would switch on and off. So like one year it would just
be a scarecrow and then other years it would be him and you
could never tell. So like after the first time he
got you, the next year you were like super wary of his scarecrow
and then like he so wouldn't getyou.
But then you were like, oh, it'sjust a scarecrow.
And then next year it's not a scarecrow.

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So you never knew. So he always kept you guessing.
So that like, that's the fun cheeky nature.
Like I think we're all entitled to a good scare.
But yeah, I mean, I mean, for a lot of people it is a very big
using holiday. You know how many bars have
like, oh come, you know, you costume contest, blah, blah,

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blah, blah. And like, yeah, girls love
dressing in skanky ways to get attention from dudes who have
very poor costumes. And yes, for, for, for many the,
you know, young 20s, it's becomea kind of a gross holiday.
It's like a party holiday. It kind of is.
I mean, it is a party holiday and that's like, it's part of

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like, you know, a lot of holidays have using aspects to
them and the using part of this holiday I think is, you know,
late teens, early, early mid 20sis like the prime demographic
of, you know, debauchery for Halloween, so.
Debauchery. And you know, I definitely did.

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I I did my fair share of Halloween parties and and shit
like that but. I did my fair share.
I was just never really like I, I just never dressed up or got
into like the spirit of it. I guess I love.
Halloween, you know, I was just like, I don't get it.
I love it dude. It like I I like horror because

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like I. Oh, well then here what are your
favorite horror movies then, David, like we we talked about
zombie movies. What are your favorite horror
movies for this holiday? They're like they're, I mean,
there's so many different categories that I like, I love,
I love werewolf movies, love werewolf.
Movies like Are we talking aboutAn American Werewolf in London?

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Are we talking? I love, I like we're we're
talking Silver bullet. We're talking The Wolf Man with
Benicio Del Toro. We're talking about Teen Will,
Teen Wolf. Great movie.
I didn't see The Wolf Man with Benicio del Toro.
It's really good. It looked, it looked like it had
some legs to it. It definitely does.
I mean, it's Anthony Hopkins, Emily Blunt and Benicio Del Toro

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and Hugo Weaving. What else do you want?
Hugo Weaving is the man. Hugo Weaving is the man.
It's very good. It's very good.
I would I would recommend that. But like, I like, I love the
transition and I think like a lot of it started with like our
childhood. We were reading Goosebumps books
and we had Are You Afraid of theDark on, on Nickelodeon, which
was fantastic. Great fucking show.

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So I think and like every time around this time of year, you
know, at night you were guaranteed to see Thriller on
pretty much once a night. Thriller.
Yeah, on either VH1 or or MTV, the, and like the, the, the good
part about it, like a, a wolf man, a werewolf movie is you

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always get to see how they did the transition 'cause that's the
key part is like the transition scene of how they go from from
human to werewolf. It is, is just like, it's great
because and it's all, it's always different from movie to
movie. And obviously, you know, it's a
campy old creature feature, but I love creature features, dude.

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But yeah, there there's thriller, there's gore porn,
there's all sorts of. Shares what?
Gore porn? What?
So it's not actually pornography, but it it's just
movies that are just grotesquelygory just for the sake of being.
Like House of 1000 courses? Yes.
How's that gore porn? I would I would probably
consider that I actually watchedthat.

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Yes, I wanted to watch that recently.
Actually I thought about it. That is the most.
That, that, that, that is like Iwant to.
I want to read what I wrote on Facebook because it was
actually. He wrote something about the
movie. Yeah, because we've been, I told
you we've been doing our, our, our fucking thing every.
Day, Sherry Moon man. That was Sherry Moon in her

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prime. So yesterday I actually I got
home from work early so I actually got to watch 3 movies
yesterday. So what I watched yesterday was
House of 1000 Corpses first. Did you watch the trilogy?
No, I did not watch the trilogy.I should have because Kristen
doesn't particularly like them. Anyway, so I wrote if ever there
was a greasy, sleazy sideshow freak filled thrill ride of gore

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and Americana back Rd. horror, then this is the movie that it
is. That that is it.
Which I think is and I'll read that again.
If ever there was a greasy sleazy sideshow freak filled
thrill ride of gore and Americana back Rd. horror, then
this movie is it. And I think that's the exactly

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the, the, the vibe of House of 1000 corpuses.
Like totally the vibe. It, it like it is greasy, it is
grungy there, there. It's just it, it it's disgusting
and foul and you know, it, it makes you fear the back roads of
fucking Texarkana and just not wanting to go down parts of

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route 66 for fear of like, you know, the hills have eyes type
shit. And it it and it's creepy.
And then the second movie I watched was broken Lizards club
Dread, which is a hilarious movie.
Obviously another comedy horror.Love that movie.
I like that you have club dread as your next second.

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Yeah, from a well, I had to reelit back.
I had to reel it back from Houseof 1000 Corpses.
Like I if I would have doubled down and gone straight to
Devil's Rejects, I would have been in a super dark headspace.
And then my third one I watched,which was last night, was The
Shining, which is a top five horror movie of all time.
Yeah, I can't argue with that. But going with other creature.

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Features. Can I say something?
Jaws is an amazing horror movie.Can I say something about The
Shining? Of course the one dude his
entire like point in the movie is completely waste, is a waste
of time. Who Scatman?
Is that the dude who like drivesthe entire time and then he like
just goes there and dies? Yeah, Scat.
Yes, it's Scatman Carruthers. Scatman What?

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That's Scatman Carruthers. Like the singer Scatman.
No, that's his fucking name. Scatman, Carruthers.
Yes, he's the He's Mr. Halloran the Black, The black dude who
can also do the Shining. He he sings this dude.
I just saw a video with this guy.
Scatman Crothers. Yeah, he did something.

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Yeah. He was in The Aristocrats.
I knew what? Yes, yes.
Yes, I know. Who's Scatman?
Yeah, dude. Yeah, but he's.
He's not the Scatman from the from the the Scatman song of the
90s. No, no, no.
But he's the guy from the Aristocats, Yes, 'cause I
watched something with him and the guy from Ballou the other
day where they were just like hanging out.
He was like and the guy was like.

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Like and they played this cool song Scatman.
I just found out about this guy.He's amazing.
Yeah, Scatman Carruthers is awesome.
He's also in the the The Twilight Zone movie.
Which by I mean dude, there's a lot of Twilight Zone.
No, the the 1980s like the Twilight Zone anthology movie
with like with Dan Aykroyd and John Lithgow.

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Dan Aykroyd, I don't remember that one.
Dude, you've you not seen that movie?
I don't think so. Dude, that movie is fucking
fantastic. Albert Brooks is in it.
John Lithgow. So they they did.
So it's an anthology. So it's like it's different
episodes of the Twilight Zone. Like the fuck, Captain Kirk?

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Why can't I think of his name? Star Trek, William.
Shatner, William Shatner, the William Shatner episode where
he's like captain, there's something on the wing, but John
John Lithgow re redid it and he's unhinged and it's
fantastic. So yeah, like the goblin on the
on the airplane wing episode is in there.
The episode where, you know, thethe the the senior citizens are

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playing kick the kick the can and Scatman or others.
Isn't that one where when they're playing kick the can,
they actually get to become kidsagain and they like go back in
time. Great episode.
And then there's the other kid who can control shit with his
mind and like he like basically like warps reality.
Great. Watch that movie.
That movie's book and awesome. Interesting what else like but I

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love I love sci-fi horror as well.
Like last week I watched Sphere.Did you watch Event Horizon?
I did not watch Event Horizon. I think Event Horizon is one of
the most. Terrifying movies I've ever
seen. Best the.
Sci-fi. Movie, Sci-fi, horror movie of
all time. Yeah, the best sci-fi horror
movie of all time and #2 is Sunshine.
Is what sunshine? I haven't seen that.

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I would disagree. I'd say the second best, which
is actually technically. Sunshine which?
Is actually technically a creature feature as long as as
well as a sci-fi horror is Alien.
Dude, you need to see sunshine. It's essentially.
Hold on, hold on. Real quick, real quick.
So, OK, Alien, we agree, is a sci-fi horror creature feature.

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Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, OK.
Same with Predator and all those.
That's where I was going. Is Predator, Yes, Really, yes.
I think it's more of an action movie.
I think it's also a creature feature.
Okay, I think you can call it anaction movie, but it's also a
creature feature because it's a creature.
Yeah, and if you're putting Alien in that category, you
gotta put Predator in that category, because they're the
same fucking. Yeah, it might go along with the

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thing as well. And the thing, exactly The thing
is exactly the same. OK sort of thing, yeah.
You could even put things like the mist in there.
Oh, The Mist is totally a horrormovie.
Oh, it's the mist might have oneof.
The darkest endings of all time the.
Darkest. I I can't think of a darker
ending. I just think it's amazing how.
It is amazing. It's like the rug pull and

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listen. We're not going to spoil anybody
out there listening, dude. Watching.
Years I understand that, but I don't want to you know, I'm I'm
not I I don't like. You're not a spoiler.
I'm not a spoiler for even old movies.
Like the rug pull at the end of the Mist is like Oh my God
you're like what the like that is demented that is.

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That is horrendous. They have a good rug pull at the
end of the House of 1000 Corpses.
I forgot that. House of 1000 Corpses.
Yeah, where she, Yeah, the one girl gets away, but then fucking
Captain Spaulding picks her up and then fucking Otis.
Yeah, Otis is right in the back seat.

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And fucking they bring her straight back to she's like, I
need to get to a doctor. And he's like, I'll get you to a
doctor. And they fucking bring her back
to Doctor Satan. Doctor Satan.
I fucking love that movie. I need to watch that movie
again. Dude that movie is fucking
demented. It's been so long.
Fucking such a great it is. It is unhinged.
It is an absolutely unhinged. Fucking well, if we talk about

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just like like just for a second, talking about Rob Zombie
movies, I mean his Halloweens I think are they stand alone
spectacular. I know you like Halloween the
original more. I actually like his versions
more. I and I I I don't fault you for
that. I I won't say you're wrong.
I won't say anybody was wrong. Dude, his second movie really

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got shit canned and I'm like I don't know why that was great.
I thought it was great. I I, I thought the way he's told
the story was. Great.
Yeah, I thought like the follow up was was great.
You know, like. It it really delved into Lori's
just absolute, you know, trauma from this whole event and how
like she has just horrendous, like, you know, mental breakdown

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throughout this. And like, it really kind of took
it away from, yes, it's still a Michael Myers movie, but but
it's not so much Michael Myers as it is as it is Lori Strode
just going insane. Which I like that which I like.
This I thought was very different and.
I never saw that coming. And I mean Lords of Salem is
also like I know a lot of peoplehate Lords of Salem but a lot.

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Of people don't even know what it is.
I I think the first part of the movie is like this, you know,
it's it changes. It's it's it's like event
horizon, event horizon or sunshine.
Event horizon and sunshine startout as the sci-fi like lost in
space type movies where it's like, oh, we're going on an
adventure and then all the fucking sudden hell breaks loose

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literally. And that's what I feel like
Lords of Salem. Is it like it starts out as this
almost like nice witch movie andthen becomes this like shining
this? Yes, this shining level fucking
it just. Like psychedelic trip almost,
you know? Have you seen 31, his most
recent movie? 31 No. 31's pretty it's so the

(43:42):
plot is very rudimentary. I thought his most recent movie
was a hockey movie. No, his most recent movie was
actually The Monsters. And Oh yes, I couldn't.
Yes, I couldn't get all the way through it.
That's a shame because I. Did you get all the way through
it? I didn't watch it.
I want to watch it because are you a Monsters fan?
I am a Monsters fan, absolutely.So, okay, like this is so funny

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and we're really off topic here,but David.
Topic anybody, David, Anybody still listening?
There's no recovery here. Just don't.
Don't do drugs with your Snickers.
So David and I are both about the same age and my wife is
about four years younger than me.
Nick at night completely changedfrom our age to their age.
Oh yeah. So like we had the monsters.

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Like I would watch The Monsters,I would watch The Addams Family,
I would watch Gilligan's Island,I would watch Adam.
Majini dude, they had the Andy Andy Griffith.
Show Andy Griffith, you know, I would watch all those shows, but
when my when my wife, when she started watching it was like
Fresh Prince of Bel Air and likefamily ties and like all that
horse shit from the 80s and 90s.So like she missed all that.

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But the monsters was a great show, like a great show, man.
It's a bummer that it didn't really work out like but I
thought he made a hockey of 31. Oh, is that the is that the
final one? What is that?
Does this? Is this the sequel?
Like is this the trilogy? Does this finish the trilogy 31?

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No no, the one that finishes thetrilogy is 3 from hell.
I think I've seen that. One I haven't seen it.
I have it on DVDI bought it last.
Year or did I see the devil's rejects?
These are all the Devil's Rejects.
Devil's Rejects is one of the fucking that is one of the best
horror movies I've ever. Seen 3 from 1.
Why am I? Three from hell.
Three from hell? Why have I not seen three from
hell? I don't know.

(45:32):
So that actually has the guy whowas in 31.
Kind of. Oh, it's because it came out
captain. Spaulding it came out. 2019 who
replaced Captain Spaulding because he died.
Yeah, so it's the guy from 31. Which kind of?
Serious so he was so he the first Rob Zombie movie he was in
his he was one of the ambulance drivers in Halloween 2 and he

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gets his head fucking sawed off,which is awesome.
It's a really good scene and that he gets his head sawed off.
It's a great scene cinema. History oh, so they don't
replace him though they. Like no, it's a new character,
but they but yeah, so they, they, they pseudo replace him.
But then the guy from Halloween 2 gets his head sawed off is

(46:15):
then doom head in 31 and Oh my God, doom head his the dialogue
in 31 is, is what makes it the dialogue and the characters like
the the plot itself is like it'sOK.
Like if you just look at it like, oh, these people get
kidnapped and they get they get put into like a torture game,
like a killing torture. Like Saw.

(46:36):
Sort of, but it's for rich people, so it's rich people
basically watching. People die.
Oh, so it's what's that Korean show?
Kind of like The Hunger Games orSquid Games.
Squid, Squid. It's Squid Games.
Yeah, sort of. Exactly like squid.
Games, yeah, but but it was evenbefore.
Squid, What happened to his hockey movie?
He was supposed to make a hockeymovie.
I don't know. Anyway, so not not a fantastic

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plot, but the characters he develops and and the.
In 31. Yeah, and the dialogue in the
movie is razor sharp. It's just so fun.
Is Sherry. In it, of course, Sherry.
Is in it of. Course Sherry is in it.
Love you, Sherry. Yeah, Sherry is in it.
It's very good movie. OK, I gotta I gotta do see The
thing is Mary, well, Mary, Mary's been watching like all

(47:22):
these horror shows like so that's that's.
Kristen Kristen is more of a horror show.
Like we watched. And she's like, I wanna, she's
every week. She's like, I wanna watch
Silence of the Lambs. I'm like, what?
I'm like, I love Silence of the Lambs.
But no, you know what you shouldwatch?
It's Hannibal. Yeah, the show.
And that's her thing. She's way more true crime.
So she's like, that's what really like.

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And I'm like. No.
Have you seen the show though? No.
OK, if she wants to watch signs of the Lambs, have her watch the
show with Mads Mickelson. You.
Know it's mass. It's I thought it was Mads.
No, it's mass. Well watch the show because it's
literally one of the best TV shows I've ever seen in my life.
OK, it is like what we'll talk to my MCM CS watching it right

(48:07):
now It's I mean dude, it's so good like I'm.
Surprised Kristen hasn't watchedthe Menendez brothers thing.
I don't really care for the Menendez brothers.
I don't really like true crime. Like I get it.
Like and I've I've researched enough about it.
Like I know Ed Gein and I know and I know fucking, you know,
Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker, and Albert.

(48:28):
Fish and John Gacy. John Wayne Gacy and and and Ted
Bundy. It's hard to watch all the time.
That's exactly. Dude, they watch it all like I
know so many women. They're like, they love it.
They have a whole podcast like the shout out to my favorite
murder. Great.
Pop oh MC loved my favorite. Murder.
Kristen longs it. She's she's gone to see.

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She's gone to see it live several times.
Like Oh yeah and also did MC. And for anybody listening, yeah
sure, go listen to it. I'll even drop their their
thing. Stay sexy and don't get murdered
like that's fucking. It's that the name of the?
That that that's like ours is stay safe and stay clean.
There's this Stay safe and and or stay sexy.
Stay sexy and don't be. Murdered.
I like it. It's fucking great.
Don't take showers by yourself. Yeah, don't take showers by

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yourself. Yeah, I get it.
I get it. Like there's just, I don't know.
But yeah, back back to horror, the favorite horror movies,
dude, there's so many and there and there's so much different
shit. I love comedy horror movies.
Like I love Idle Hands and Zombieland and Shaun of the Dead
and Club. Dread.
I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do my top five.
OK Zombie movies, No. Top five Horror, OK, No specific

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order. OK.
In the Mouth of Madness. Oh, OK.
Event horizon Solid. I'm going to say Sunshine, it's
in there as well. What else?
28 days later, what's my last one?

(49:58):
I'll do I'll do my top five as well.
I'll do my top five as well. Let me put it together while.
You're thinking I am going to say it's probably I'm going to
go off the beaten path and say the Leprechaun series.
That's fantastic. That's fantastic.
All right, I love that. I love that.
All right, My top five, which ona different podcast would easily

(50:24):
get stretched into a top ten, but we'll do a top five.
The original Halloween John Carpenter, he changed the game
he invented he. Like great movie.
He he he invented the modern slasher franchise with that.
Like I know Psycho came before that but Halloween and with the
Panaglide like he changed cinematography and everything.

(50:46):
For, well, for everything, Hitchcock did a lot more, but.
Hitchcock did a lot more, but I,I, I, I really feel like
Halloween was, you know, it, it was pivotal at the right place
and time. And Hitchcock didn't use the
panaglide like like but. He had the Vertigo shot.
Oh yeah, the Vertigo shot's great.
So I I'll, I'll go Halloween, I'll go 20 days later just

(51:10):
because for, for. For what it did to zombie
movies. For it's genre, for zombie
movies, it is hands down the best.
It's not even close. It's not even close.
And then for I'll, I'll throw ina comedy horror in there.
Shaun of the Dead is great. I don't think.

(51:33):
No, I won't. Never mind.
That'll be in my top ten. No, no, no, I'm not throwing.
I don't think I can't have two zombies.
The Shining. The Shining is top five.
Yeah, I mean it has, it has someholes though.
It has many holes. It has many holes.
I mean, so does Halloween. So does Halloween.
Halloween has plenty of fucking holes.
That's true. Shit, even 20 Days Later has

(51:56):
some holes. But does it?
Oh, yeah, we'll talk about it off air 28 Days Later.
Oh, horror movies. Horror.
I gotta go. I gotta go to the Devil's
Rejects. Over 1000 corpse.

(52:16):
House of 1000 corpse. Because Otis in that movie is
horrifying as an individual. I think like I don't know if
there's ever been a more terrifying character because
he's not superhuman, He's not magical.
He he's not metaphysical like Freddy Krueger.
He is just an absolute. He is an insane human being that

(52:40):
like literally. And the scene where he's looking
down on the duty, he's that he'sabout to kill and he just wipes
the like the, the hair from his face and he's just like, I am
the devil and I am here to do the devil's work.
And it's just like, what the fuck?
And then he just beats the guy to death.
It's like holy. Shit, don't they all die in the
end of that movie? It's one of the it's one of the
best ending scenes ever. Cuz like how do they come back?

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That's why it's called 3 from Hell.
Oh, they come back from hell. I guess.
I guess I haven't seen the movie.
I don't know. We'll have to see and then OK,
Yep, I know what I'm going to throw in there.
This is highly underrated by everybody.
Most people. I didn't even see it for a long
time. Trick or treat it's.

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Fine. It is so good.
It is. It is so good.
It's an anthology. It is an it is an anthology.
It it has a it has a a werewolf in it, which I fucking.
Love I I don't think it deservestop five I.
Do you really think it deserves top five I.
Do. Like is it just because it has

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Halloween in like the thing? Or no, it is not that I like I,
I I think it checks every singlebox of what a horror movie needs
to be. It has jump scares, it has gore,
it has some psychological shit to it.
It has like the mythology piece where it's like, you know, the
kids die in the bus accident andthen they come back to life and

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they were exact their revenge like.
Which version of what? There's two of trick or treat.
There's trick or treat. Which came out Trick or treat?
The one with the R Yeah. Anna Paquin.
Yeah, Anna Paquin and and I loveSam.
Sam, the little fucking pumpkin headed creature is fucking
fantastic. Sam's all grown up now, Sam.

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'S adorable. He's a his.
Name's. He's so.
Adorable. He's a pretty bad ass name.
Can you guess what's his real name is?
Samson Pumpkinhead. Quinn, Lord.
Quinn Lord, great name Quinn. What a.
Fucking name. But I think that's it, you know,
as far as far as using, you know, don't get sucked.

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In well, let's talk about like real quick.
Like what was your, you know, you're, you're more of a a party
person when it comes to Halloween.
Like what's the difference between going to a party like
when you know your intent was toget like fucking lit compared to
now when you go to these Halloween parties and you're
like. Yeah, I, you know, I, I nowadays

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I think in recovery, it's, it's about embracing.
It's, it's, it's about embracingthe suck or embracing the
cringe, you know? Cringe.
Like you it 'cause it is, it is weird and it is goofy, but it
like, it gives us a chance to like embrace our fucking
goofiness and just like whateveryou want to dress up as and like

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do a little, do some DIY makeup and like whatever to, I don't
know, you just show everybody how how silly you want to be
that night. And you know, you, you, you
gather in a room and you eat waytoo many, like cookies or
caramel apples or whatever, or you go to a bonfire and you

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have. David, can I say something?
Yeah. Don't have caramel apples,
David, for your teeth. Oh no, no, my, my caramel apple
days are behind. Me just for your teeth.
It doesn't. I don't think it would be a good
idea. No, no bobbing for apples all
day, but like, like, yeah, like bombing for apples.
Like, and, and you, you know, you, you listen to Thriller and

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the monster mash and, and you, and you just get to have fun.
And for anybody out there like listening, like you don't need
alcohol. Like, there's like, like tonight
they're having a a karaoke Halloween party at at a recovery
house near us. Have I got invited to that?
Yeah, and, and like, and it's going to be a great time.
They're going to have a bonfire and they're going to have treats

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and, and it's just going to be afun, goofy time where, you know,
you don't have to get, you know,all slutted up and tarted up
and, and, and go to a bar and get a.
Well, I think. Get liver poisoning and a DUI.
That's not like what the That's not what holidays need to be
about. They can be about just having

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fun time. Don't some people want to get
slutted up? Like, isn't that?
By all and by all means, if you want to keep doing that in
recovery, like be like you can do that.
But like if you want to get alcohol poisoning and a DUI,
yeah, like that, that's your prerogative as well.
But it it's not, it's not the point of holidays.
Holidays are about having fun with the people around you.

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And that's what Halloween is. It's just in a goofy.
One and slutting it up. And slutting it up sometimes,
sometimes if you want to dress like, you know, a, a, a slutty
Santa's helper and, and do it that way, by all means.
Going So wait, we didn't answer.What was your favorite candies?
Oh. Like what?
What got you jive in for candy? I do love chocolate.

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I do love a good Three Musketeers.
Because I was all about Starburst and some was great.
I was about Skittles and I was about like, Sweet Tarts and I
was about gummy bears. You know that.
Was like my. I'm going to go off the beaten
path. Me and my sister love trash
candies. Like trash Trash candies that
most people will just literally throw in the garbage like candy

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corn is one of them. Candy corn is good candy corn.
I I as the taste of like honey to it.
I am one of those rare people who like candy corn, so I get
it. But like, there is a point where
you can have too much candy corn.
Absolutely, and it can taste like trash.
Yeah, it starts to get waxy in your mouth.
Yeah. But if you, if you start early

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in the month and you just like, you know, put a bin or like a
little candy jar in your house and like every day you, you take
a couple pieces and you're like,OK, that's how I do it.
And I enjoy it that way. Me and my little sister, we also
love circus peanuts, which are absolute garbage.
They are so garbage. They are garbage.
What is wrong with you? We love circus.

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Those are like, that's like trash.
Candy, I told you, we love trashcandy.
We're we're, we're, we're the raccoons of trash, of candy
eating. So here's one you'll give me
shit about. I love buttons.
Oh, you're eating the paper withit?
Gross. I love gross.
I yuck. Love buttons like do you?

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Remember, bottle caps love. Bottle caps at Evie got a bottle
cap the other day. I almost, I almost literally ate
it. I was like, I was like, I'm
gonna take. Bottle caps are good but yeah
and but along the lines of the bottle cap, me and my little
sister also love Necco wafers. Trash wafers.
Necco Wafers. I feel like I've heard of these.

(59:31):
NECCO Wafers. Look them up, Google them.
Real quick, I know. No, I've seen them.
Yeah, we love it, right? They're terrible.
Like, aren't they just like chalk?
It's. Chalk.
You're. Eating chalk, I'm thinking.
Of it, it's like it's different flavored, long, skinny Altoids.
Yeah, we love them. We love Necco Wafers.

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Like we went to the Necco wafer factory, which I believe is up
in Connecticut. What for?
For a field trip? For fun.
For Fonzies. You were like, oh man, this.
This no, we were going to, we were with our family and we were
going to visit our sister up in Boston Conservatory and they
were like, we were like, Oh, my mom was like, oh, the Necco
wafer factory is is over there and like, oh, why are we not

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turning off? We're going to we're going to
check this. Out then we went and got Necco
Wafers and I've only ever met like to one other person.
Shout out to my friend Felicia who enjoys Necco Wafers because
they're trash candy. And I love I know exactly what
it is. Like, I love Charleston shoes.
Charleston shoes are good. Wait, let me just make sure.
Are these. Yeah, dude, necos are.

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They're literal trash. They're trash.
Like it's something you don't eat, you know, you're like, mad
about it. Like what the fuck's wrong with
you people? I don't know.
We like trash candy. We like circus peanuts and
Necco. The circus peanuts is worse than
trash candy. I agree.
If we want, if we want to go, ifwe want to go hierarchy, the
Necco is like way higher than circus circus peanuts like is

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along the lines of peeps. No, I agree.
I don't disagree with you. I.
Know I hate peeps. But you eat.
I used to love. Peeps, you.
Used to love peeps when I was good.
Yeah, but I'll eat circus. How can you eat?
I'll eat the shit out of circus.How can you eat circus peanuts?
Right now. Like how can you eat that trash?
What does it even taste like? A peanut?

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No, it doesn't taste like peanuts at all.
It tastes like marshmallow EW. It's like a cross between like
candy corn and marshmallow EW. Yeah, Yeah, It's an intense
flavor. Whoever decided that?
It is terrible fired. It is terrible, but fired.
I, I, I think that's all we havefor our, you know, All Hallows

(01:01:40):
Eve Sawan celebration episode. Yeah, we went.
We went pretty long too. We went pretty long.
We went wait probably longer than I meant to and, you know,
didn't touch too much on recovery, but you know, every
everybody out there, like we touched a little bit on it.
But like, the important part is,you know, we can still have fun

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in recovery with all our holidays, regardless of like how
silly or juvenile or whatever they are, you know, getting
fucked up and, and, and, you know, drugs and alcohol don't
need to be a part of our, our celebrations and, and holidays

(01:02:21):
these days. And we can do things differently
and they can still be a lot of fun.
And we can, we can find new levels of enjoyment in these
things. And we hope everybody out there
has a safe and clean holiday. And make sure you don't get any
acid or razor blades in your candy.
So make sure and double check. Or drugs.

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That's why I said acid. Well, I thought you meant like.
No, I meant like LSD. I thought you meant like like
chloric acid or something. Who the fuck would do that?
Who's? Putting razor blades in.
Candy razor blades, if yeah, anybody who actually gets a
razor blade, please call us. That'd be horrendous.
But everybody else, thank you for joining us once again on

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