August 4, 2024 • 23 mins
Episode Summary:
PART 2 Sabrina Stratford left her corporate career to fight human trafficking in Alaska. Sabrina shares her personal experiences that led to this dramatic career change, including childhood trauma and a growing awareness of trafficking issues. Sabrina provides insights into the realities of sex trafficking, the connection between pornography and exploitation, and the emerging threats posed by artificial intelligence in this realm.
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PART 2 Sabrina Stratford left her corporate career to fight human trafficking in Alaska. Sabrina shares her personal experiences that led to this dramatic career change, including childhood trauma and a growing awareness of trafficking issues. Sabrina provides insights into the realities of sex trafficking, the connection between pornography and exploitation, and the emerging threats posed by artificial intelligence in this realm.
Key Topics Discussed:
- The direct connection between pornography consumption and sex trafficking
- Positive initiatives and organizations helping trafficking survivors
- Corporate responsibility in addressing sex trafficking risks
- The role of artificial intelligence in both facilitating and combating trafficking
- Resources and strategies for individuals struggling with porn addiction or seeking to combat trafficking
- "100 percent of sex buyers have viewed pornography. Fight me on that one. 100%." - Sabrina Stratford
- If you're watching pornography of an adult woman, you are feeding into the industry that 100 percent is behind infant rape. So, congratulations. That's what you're supporting." - Sabrina Stratford
- "Whenever like, you know, there's bad people behind the filters that define on a, uh, Artificial intelligence checked that pedophilia is actually minor attracted persons. So there are bad people behind artificial intelligence, setting the filters. There are also good people..." - Sabrina Stratford
- "You are what you are and where you are from what has gone into your mind. But you can change what you are and you can change where you are by changing what goes into this beautiful, magnificent mind." - Eric Zuzak quoting Zig Ziglar
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is porn Talk. Here was your host, Eric Zuzak.
Welcome back to porn Talk. We are back. Get ready
to be captivated by the remarkable journey of Sabrina Stratford.
For twenty five years, she forged powerful partnerships as a
(00:24):
global business manager in the world of it. But then
she made a courageous decision to leave it all behind
and take a stand against the harrowing reality of sex trafficking.
So join us as we delve into the inspiring story
of a woman who turned her passion for justice into
a relentless pursuit of making the world a better, safer place.
(00:48):
Welcome back to Sabrina, hi Rick. So we in the
last episode, we talked about a lot of the challenges
and a lot of the negative things that you've experienced
with the on your journey to stop sex trafficking. But
what are some of the things, what are some of
(01:08):
the Let's start with some stories. What are some positive
stories or maybe some people that you've helped or some
positive things you witnessed in Anchorage? Are here in the
United States?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Sure? Yeah, Well, I talked about the Downtown Hope Center,
which is the women's emergency shelter in Anchorage, Alaska. And
the way that they are making such a tremendous difference
is I mentioned that one of the things they do
is they serve lunch to the homeless every day, soup
and sandwich, about three hundred soup and sandwich every day
(01:43):
of the year. So they have a large kitchen. So
if you can imagine a large building that has kind
of like the cafeteria style kitchen, and then on the
other side are seventy cots and that's where the women are.
So this lends itself to an opportunity if you come
into the emergency shelter. You know, typically the women may
(02:04):
be having struggling with drug addiction, and so in order
to conquer that, they have life programs that help them
understand how to get off drugs, how to stay off drugs.
But then you know, we all know that we have
to stay active. So they are able to take a
bakery or culinary program and they can either go to
(02:25):
the bakery and help bake the bread you know that
serves the sandwiches, or help make the soup, and then
they serve you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner to those
women every night. So they've got this culinary program. So
now the women are getting a skill, and then they
also obviously have faith based support and so that the
women can understand that they don't have to carry the
burden themselves. And when I see saw the women you
(02:49):
know who actually accepted faith or came to Christ, I'll
just say it, they walked out of the door and
had successful lives. If they didn't get involved in the program,
if they didn't have any you know, faith, they typically
it was just like a revolving door. They would get
better for a little while, but they'd go back out
and get back on the drugs and get back with
a sex trafficker and find themselves back in the emergency
(03:12):
shelter and an endless cycle. But the good news is
is that so many times women who went through this
program and you know, made something with their lives, that
they did get better and they're contributing to society and happy.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That's fantastic. What about here in the United States? Any
positive stories here in the United States?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know, It's it's harder for me to tell the
happy stories because what I do here is I do
research to inform corporations about sex trafficking and also an
advocate for the Human Trafficking Hotline in Colorado. So what
we do is if you'd dial an eight hundred number
(04:01):
and you have questions about sex trafficking or you're a
victim or a survivor of sex trafficking, you can call
this number and we have resources. So I still talk
to several people a day who are victims or survivors
of sex trafficking, but I'm only able to give them
the resources and say, Okay, here's some shelter, here's a
number for a case manager. You know, here's a number
(04:23):
to help your family, whatever it might be. But I
don't ever get to see what happens next. So that's
really a struggle is you kind of have to give
it up and say, all right, I've done all I
can do to help this person, but I don't get
to know, you know, what happened with the with the
happy story. Although there are you know, organizations that I've
connected myself with, like the Hope House who help teenage pregnancy,
(04:47):
and you do get to see those happy stories, you know,
you do get to see that those women stayed safe,
and that they have families, and that they've gone on
to just have these terrific lives. So getting involved with
your non government organizations, nonprofits, that's that's going to be
a big win for anybody.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well what if guys listening to this and he's like,
you know, uh, why why should I Why should I
give my time to these organizations? And you know, I'm uh,
I'm just happy, you know, living my life and in
(05:27):
watching porn. Would you say to a person.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Like that, you know, it just doesn't work like that.
It's that is just sticking one's head up one's rear
and just ignoring reality. You know, that's you just have
to think about the porn industry. If you've got If
you watch one video and you think that it's okay
because that person is smiling and happy, that that is
(05:52):
not a depiction of what's really happening. I mean, think
about what it took for that person to be in
a pornography video. You know, first they had to become vulnerable,
they had to become victimized in some way. There is
not one healthy, happy person that raised their hand and
said I'm going to go make pornography because that's just
a great way of life. It just does not happen
(06:14):
like that. It's not empowering it's the absolute cornerstone of
a vicious cycle. And if you're watching one video that's
feeding the industry that is one hundred percent responsible for
child sexual abuse material. And when I mentioned that term,
we're not just talking about a sixteen year old, an
(06:35):
eleven year old, a five year old. We are talking
about infants rape. And if you're watching pornography of an
adult woman, you are feeding into the industry that one
hundred percent is behind infant rape. So congratulations, that's what
you're supporting. That's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Ouch huh. So on the other hand, let's say there
is one that is listening and he really wants to
turn over a new leaf. He wants to quit porn,
he wants to better his life, he wants to even
perhaps do a part in ending sex trafficking. What could
(07:23):
that one guy do? What difference could that one guy make?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, you know there are beyond your self help, you know,
behind beyond getting therapy and understanding why you have that addiction,
because you know, it is an addiction, and it's just
like any other addiction, whether it's to drugs or food.
You know, you have to address your personal issues of
why do I have this addiction. But to just make
(07:48):
it better, you know, we're sex trafficking might end. Sex
trafficking would end if people would quit watching pornography. If
there are no buyers, sex trafficking would end. And one
hundred percent of sex buyers have viewed pornography. Fight me
on that one. So so just think about, you know,
(08:14):
so what puts a person in this space of sex trafficking,
and it's the vulnerabilities. So then you fight the vulnerabilities.
So that's when it comes back to looking at those
nonprofits and those non government organizations that are fighting homelessness,
that are are serving survivors of domestic abuse, that are
(08:34):
helping foster kids. Foster kids frequently frequently end up as
victims of sex trafficking. So just think about all the
vulnerabilities and go serve those communities and to give them
empowerment where they can get out of sex trafficking. And
then at the very top level or the or the
bottom down level, I guess I should say at the
(08:54):
corporate level. You know, corporations have corporate responsibility to look
at their organizations, whether it's something completely unrelated to supply chain,
where you know, labor trafficking might be might be happening.
Think about you know, when I think of my career,
we had large sales teams. We were on the road
(09:14):
a lot, and we would frequently hold sales conferences, for example,
in Las Vegas. This idea of what happens in Vegas
stays in Vegas is a real thing. And I've seen
some very professional individuals behave badly because they were away
from their wife or their family, and it they owed
it to themselves to go kick their heels up and
go get a prostitute or whatever. You know, all of
(09:37):
that is contributing to the industry that is promoting I'll
bring it back infant rape. I cannot separate the two.
And so, you know, speaking at the corporate level, it's
informing your organization of their corporate responsibility to have a
plan on how to address you know, how to identify
somebody who might be a victim, and how to empower
(09:59):
their own employees. But then also, if they're a software company,
what can I be doing to contribute, you know, to
technology that's going to be the good for artificial intelligence
or the good for technology that can fight And there
are certainly examples of companies that are fighting the good fight.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yes, you had mentioned that one hundred percent of the
traffickers or or the or the people, yeah, have viewed pornography.
And there is an interview with a serial killer. I
forget his name, he was a famous one kind of
(10:40):
the the anyway. In the interview he said that not
everybody that watches porn become serial killers, but he said
all serial killers watch porn.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Absolutely. I think it may have even been Jeffrey Dahmer,
but yeah, I've heard that quote. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Say someone just pull in uh so's I'm trying to
think here, so I bring it back to the person
that's listening to this now. So if they are wanting
to quit pornography, they should know that when they are
(11:30):
watching porn, when they are clicking, they're voting for sex trafficking.
They're voting for the uh sexual abuse of infants.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Absolutely, and I hope that that does something to their
libido when they think of it that way. I mean,
you may be watching two adults that look like they're consenting,
but understand that you're supporting the industry. Probably the same
individuals that are filming, you know that are victim infants.
You cannot separate them. It's just part of it.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, So Sabrina, let's take this in a another direction,
sex trafficking artificial intelligence. What do you see? Like, what
hope is there? So, like, you know, if you artificial intelligence,
(12:27):
that's really a huge challenge, like what hope? Like if
someone is listening to this, like, oh, this arm's all
so depressing, is there is there any hope? Like is
this real? Going down the drain?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You know, whenever? Like you know, there's bad people behind
the filters that define on a artificial intelligence chat that
pedophilia is actually minor attracted persons. So there are bad
people behind artificial intelligence sitting the filters. There are also
good people, and the good guys are doing good things,
such as the Thorn organization, and they're using artificial intelligence
(13:07):
to identify se SAM child sexual abuse material and when
it identifies it, it gives it a little finger print.
Now it's marked forever, and so if it's on somebody's
platform where it doesn't belong like Instagram or Facebook or
something like that, it can be identified. Now it's up
to meta, you know, the organization, it's up to Mark
(13:30):
Zuckerberg to say we are going to pay attention and
remove this. You know, it's up to signal platforms that
are pushing out. You know, they're they're not creating the sea, Sam,
but they are the platform where it's being sold, you know,
so they have to take responsibility too. But there are
(13:50):
good guys who are using the technology to do good things.
There's an organization called Bark baar K and they have
all of the tools that you can use with your
kids kids to keep them safety. Of kids who have
seen pornography saw it at school, so you know, they
think that they're doing everything they can to keep their
(14:11):
computer secure at school, and that's just not the case.
And then Eric, I also have to wonder why the
kids need the Internet in the palm of their hand.
Why can't they have a flip phone for emergency calls.
It just blows me away that we're giving kids adult
content in their hand unsupervised every day. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I wholeheartedly agree you had mentioned the organization thor And
just for those that don't know, that organization actually was
started by Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore and I don't
know what we're involved in that anymore, but so kudos
to them and the tool Bark. Actually, it's funny you
(14:53):
mentioned that I did a review of Bark that I'm
going to be posting within the next week or so
of that program. So if you go to my YouTube channel,
you'll see a review of Bark. Bark is software that
(15:13):
you put on your your your children's devices and it
allows you to make sure that everything's going well there.
But yeah, Bark is a Bark is a great tool
to help you if you have if you have a children,
be sure to check out art And I get nothing
(15:34):
from mentioning that, but it is a great tool.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, for sure. You know, one of the challenges that
we're going to find with using artificial intelligence for good
is it always comes back to privacy concerns. And I
understand that because you know, think about it. You could
use artificial intelligence to identify anything, right, I mean, you
could identify anything with an algorithm. But then it's just
(15:59):
according to how much privacy do we want to give
up for it to be effective. And so I think
that that's going to be the struggle in building software
is the privacy concerns. You know, you could give a
law enforcement organization if they had the right to go
into all of your data and use artificial intelligence. They
could quickly find out, you know, what good or bad
(16:21):
you were up to. But then there's a privacy concern,
so we're going to have to figure that out and
that's going to be an interesting battle.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes, absolutely, What would you say again to the guys
that are listening to this, that have listened to both
these podcasts and they are they're they're ready to they're
(16:49):
ready to make they're ready to make a change. And
I know you know you're on the front lines there.
You're you're not a porn addiction recovery coach, but just
as a woman and have all all the experiences that
you've been through and what you know about porn and
sex trafficking, for a guy that's really struggling, like he
(17:15):
really wants to stop, and just as a person, what
would what would you say to that person?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I I can't answer that question without getting spiritual again, Eric,
because I believe that this is a spiritual warfare. You
know that it's beyond it's beyond what we're even talking about,
that it really is good versus evil. Just that having
(17:45):
understanding seeing what I have seen, I understand that it
is the worst of the worst that you can imagine
as bad as you can think the worst case scenario
of a bay or something like that. You know, we
know that that's happening. And so to even think for
a minute that if you're going to watch what you
(18:07):
want on porn hub or you porn or whatever you
think it's harmless, understand that you are contributing to an
infant being hurt in that way or even you know,
I'll tell one more story. There was a woman at
the at the shelter, I'll give her first, Elizabeth, who
(18:28):
came in and she had been kept in a trap house.
A trap house is they do drugs upstairs and then
they typically have a downstairs or someplace where they film
the worst of the worst so that they can make money.
And so Elizabeth, you know, got hooked to drugs upstairs,
but then they would take her downstairs live stream and
(18:51):
then also recording so that it can be sold again
and again and you could pay. And see, that's the
thing dopamine is. You know, Eric, because you've been in
the long time, you know pornography is powerful because of
the dopamine hit. You get that little pleasure hit, and
then you want more, You want something more, abusive. You
want a younger victim, and that's the way it worked
with elizabeths. So as they were viewing her, they could
(19:14):
pay more and more, hurt her more, knock her teeth out,
and they did. They broke this woman. And then she
came to the shelter. Well, she had split personality disorder.
She couldn't talk to us without coming in and out
of talking to us like a little baby, or going
into this very dark place that was protective of her
(19:34):
and you know, cursing us every way from the middle.
That happened. That's just one story of one individual. But
understand that that's what happens. You think it's okay to
watch two consenting adults in pornography, but that is the
world that you're feeding into. So just think of that,
you know, just think of that and don't click.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Wise words. Well, what if someone wants to learn more
about what you do or your work? How would someone
do that?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Go to Sabrina Stratford dot com, s A B R
I N A S T R A T F O
r D dot com. And so I've got, you know,
the way to connect some of the things that I've
been working on links to this emergency shelter and anchorage
that I was speaking of. If you come across organizations
(20:35):
that you want me to talk to and promote them
on my website, I will absolutely do that. So that's
probably the best way to connect and take it to
the next step.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Okay, And what if someone happens to be in the
midst of all these things, the negative things we're talking about,
how can they reach out for help?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
All fifty states have a hotline and there's a so
a National Human Trafficking hotline, and so just put that
into your search engine, you know, National Human Trafficking Hotline
or one for your state and you can dial up
and so you know, if you called Colorado, you might
talk to me and I would pull up a resource
directory and whatever that person needs, food, shelter, case management,
(21:22):
something for their family. You know a lot of our
victims in Colorado are illegal immigrants who have a debt
to pay and they're having to pay it by sex trafficking.
You know, they got over here by a coyote bringing
them over and they have to pay back their debt
with sex trafficking. A lot of our calls are that.
So your resources for these hot human trafficking hotlines can
(21:44):
help well.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Sabrina again, thanks for having the courage to do what
you do because I mean, you know, to do what
you did and face the people likely facing a sex
trafficker like head on, like wow. So thanks for the
work that you do. And I know what you said.
(22:07):
You know, the real heroes or the are the the
women are that are in those those help your health
shelters on the daily basis. But but you gotta, we
gotta give you your credit where credit is do. So
thanks for doing what you do. Thanks for being here,
my honor.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
My pleasure. Thank you so much for the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Eric, absolutely, and I'll close with this quote from zig
Ziggler that you are what you are and where you
are from what has gone into your mind. But you
can change what you are and you can change where
you are by changing what goes into this beautiful, magnificent mind.
(22:52):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
If you're struggling with poorn or sex addiction, reach out
to Eric at powerful eric dot com.
This is porn Talk. Here was your host, Eric Zuzak.
Welcome back to porn Talk. We are back. Get ready
to be captivated by the remarkable journey of Sabrina Stratford.
For twenty five years, she forged powerful partnerships as a
(00:24):
global business manager in the world of it. But then
she made a courageous decision to leave it all behind
and take a stand against the harrowing reality of sex trafficking.
So join us as we delve into the inspiring story
of a woman who turned her passion for justice into
a relentless pursuit of making the world a better, safer place.
(00:48):
Welcome back to Sabrina, hi Rick. So we in the
last episode, we talked about a lot of the challenges
and a lot of the negative things that you've experienced
with the on your journey to stop sex trafficking. But
what are some of the things, what are some of
(01:08):
the Let's start with some stories. What are some positive
stories or maybe some people that you've helped or some
positive things you witnessed in Anchorage? Are here in the
United States?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Sure? Yeah, Well, I talked about the Downtown Hope Center,
which is the women's emergency shelter in Anchorage, Alaska. And
the way that they are making such a tremendous difference
is I mentioned that one of the things they do
is they serve lunch to the homeless every day, soup
and sandwich, about three hundred soup and sandwich every day
(01:43):
of the year. So they have a large kitchen. So
if you can imagine a large building that has kind
of like the cafeteria style kitchen, and then on the
other side are seventy cots and that's where the women are.
So this lends itself to an opportunity if you come
into the emergency shelter. You know, typically the women may
(02:04):
be having struggling with drug addiction, and so in order
to conquer that, they have life programs that help them
understand how to get off drugs, how to stay off drugs.
But then you know, we all know that we have
to stay active. So they are able to take a
bakery or culinary program and they can either go to
(02:25):
the bakery and help bake the bread you know that
serves the sandwiches, or help make the soup, and then
they serve you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner to those
women every night. So they've got this culinary program. So
now the women are getting a skill, and then they
also obviously have faith based support and so that the
women can understand that they don't have to carry the
burden themselves. And when I see saw the women you
(02:49):
know who actually accepted faith or came to Christ, I'll
just say it, they walked out of the door and
had successful lives. If they didn't get involved in the program,
if they didn't have any you know, faith, they typically
it was just like a revolving door. They would get
better for a little while, but they'd go back out
and get back on the drugs and get back with
a sex trafficker and find themselves back in the emergency
(03:12):
shelter and an endless cycle. But the good news is
is that so many times women who went through this
program and you know, made something with their lives, that
they did get better and they're contributing to society and happy.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That's fantastic. What about here in the United States? Any
positive stories here in the United States?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You know, It's it's harder for me to tell the
happy stories because what I do here is I do
research to inform corporations about sex trafficking and also an
advocate for the Human Trafficking Hotline in Colorado. So what
we do is if you'd dial an eight hundred number
(04:01):
and you have questions about sex trafficking or you're a
victim or a survivor of sex trafficking, you can call
this number and we have resources. So I still talk
to several people a day who are victims or survivors
of sex trafficking, but I'm only able to give them
the resources and say, Okay, here's some shelter, here's a
number for a case manager. You know, here's a number
(04:23):
to help your family, whatever it might be. But I
don't ever get to see what happens next. So that's
really a struggle is you kind of have to give
it up and say, all right, I've done all I
can do to help this person, but I don't get
to know, you know, what happened with the with the
happy story. Although there are you know, organizations that I've
connected myself with, like the Hope House who help teenage pregnancy,
(04:47):
and you do get to see those happy stories, you know,
you do get to see that those women stayed safe,
and that they have families, and that they've gone on
to just have these terrific lives. So getting involved with
your non government organizations, nonprofits, that's that's going to be
a big win for anybody.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well what if guys listening to this and he's like,
you know, uh, why why should I Why should I
give my time to these organizations? And you know, I'm uh,
I'm just happy, you know, living my life and in
(05:27):
watching porn. Would you say to a person.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Like that, you know, it just doesn't work like that.
It's that is just sticking one's head up one's rear
and just ignoring reality. You know, that's you just have
to think about the porn industry. If you've got If
you watch one video and you think that it's okay
because that person is smiling and happy, that that is
(05:52):
not a depiction of what's really happening. I mean, think
about what it took for that person to be in
a pornography video. You know, first they had to become vulnerable,
they had to become victimized in some way. There is
not one healthy, happy person that raised their hand and
said I'm going to go make pornography because that's just
a great way of life. It just does not happen
(06:14):
like that. It's not empowering it's the absolute cornerstone of
a vicious cycle. And if you're watching one video that's
feeding the industry that is one hundred percent responsible for
child sexual abuse material. And when I mentioned that term,
we're not just talking about a sixteen year old, an
(06:35):
eleven year old, a five year old. We are talking
about infants rape. And if you're watching pornography of an
adult woman, you are feeding into the industry that one
hundred percent is behind infant rape. So congratulations, that's what
you're supporting. That's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Ouch huh. So on the other hand, let's say there
is one that is listening and he really wants to
turn over a new leaf. He wants to quit porn,
he wants to better his life, he wants to even
perhaps do a part in ending sex trafficking. What could
(07:23):
that one guy do? What difference could that one guy make?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, you know there are beyond your self help, you know,
behind beyond getting therapy and understanding why you have that addiction,
because you know, it is an addiction, and it's just
like any other addiction, whether it's to drugs or food.
You know, you have to address your personal issues of
why do I have this addiction. But to just make
(07:48):
it better, you know, we're sex trafficking might end. Sex
trafficking would end if people would quit watching pornography. If
there are no buyers, sex trafficking would end. And one
hundred percent of sex buyers have viewed pornography. Fight me
on that one. So so just think about, you know,
(08:14):
so what puts a person in this space of sex trafficking,
and it's the vulnerabilities. So then you fight the vulnerabilities.
So that's when it comes back to looking at those
nonprofits and those non government organizations that are fighting homelessness,
that are are serving survivors of domestic abuse, that are
(08:34):
helping foster kids. Foster kids frequently frequently end up as
victims of sex trafficking. So just think about all the
vulnerabilities and go serve those communities and to give them
empowerment where they can get out of sex trafficking. And
then at the very top level or the or the
bottom down level, I guess I should say at the
(08:54):
corporate level. You know, corporations have corporate responsibility to look
at their organizations, whether it's something completely unrelated to supply chain,
where you know, labor trafficking might be might be happening.
Think about you know, when I think of my career,
we had large sales teams. We were on the road
(09:14):
a lot, and we would frequently hold sales conferences, for example,
in Las Vegas. This idea of what happens in Vegas
stays in Vegas is a real thing. And I've seen
some very professional individuals behave badly because they were away
from their wife or their family, and it they owed
it to themselves to go kick their heels up and
go get a prostitute or whatever. You know, all of
(09:37):
that is contributing to the industry that is promoting I'll
bring it back infant rape. I cannot separate the two.
And so, you know, speaking at the corporate level, it's
informing your organization of their corporate responsibility to have a
plan on how to address you know, how to identify
somebody who might be a victim, and how to empower
(09:59):
their own employees. But then also, if they're a software company,
what can I be doing to contribute, you know, to
technology that's going to be the good for artificial intelligence
or the good for technology that can fight And there
are certainly examples of companies that are fighting the good fight.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yes, you had mentioned that one hundred percent of the
traffickers or or the or the people, yeah, have viewed pornography.
And there is an interview with a serial killer. I
forget his name, he was a famous one kind of
(10:40):
the the anyway. In the interview he said that not
everybody that watches porn become serial killers, but he said
all serial killers watch porn.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Absolutely. I think it may have even been Jeffrey Dahmer,
but yeah, I've heard that quote. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Say someone just pull in uh so's I'm trying to
think here, so I bring it back to the person
that's listening to this now. So if they are wanting
to quit pornography, they should know that when they are
(11:30):
watching porn, when they are clicking, they're voting for sex trafficking.
They're voting for the uh sexual abuse of infants.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Absolutely, and I hope that that does something to their
libido when they think of it that way. I mean,
you may be watching two adults that look like they're consenting,
but understand that you're supporting the industry. Probably the same
individuals that are filming, you know that are victim infants.
You cannot separate them. It's just part of it.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, So Sabrina, let's take this in a another direction,
sex trafficking artificial intelligence. What do you see? Like, what
hope is there? So, like, you know, if you artificial intelligence,
(12:27):
that's really a huge challenge, like what hope? Like if
someone is listening to this, like, oh, this arm's all
so depressing, is there is there any hope? Like is
this real? Going down the drain?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
You know, whenever? Like you know, there's bad people behind
the filters that define on a artificial intelligence chat that
pedophilia is actually minor attracted persons. So there are bad
people behind artificial intelligence sitting the filters. There are also
good people, and the good guys are doing good things,
such as the Thorn organization, and they're using artificial intelligence
(13:07):
to identify se SAM child sexual abuse material and when
it identifies it, it gives it a little finger print.
Now it's marked forever, and so if it's on somebody's
platform where it doesn't belong like Instagram or Facebook or
something like that, it can be identified. Now it's up
to meta, you know, the organization, it's up to Mark
(13:30):
Zuckerberg to say we are going to pay attention and
remove this. You know, it's up to signal platforms that
are pushing out. You know, they're they're not creating the sea, Sam,
but they are the platform where it's being sold, you know,
so they have to take responsibility too. But there are
(13:50):
good guys who are using the technology to do good things.
There's an organization called Bark baar K and they have
all of the tools that you can use with your
kids kids to keep them safety. Of kids who have
seen pornography saw it at school, so you know, they
think that they're doing everything they can to keep their
(14:11):
computer secure at school, and that's just not the case.
And then Eric, I also have to wonder why the
kids need the Internet in the palm of their hand.
Why can't they have a flip phone for emergency calls.
It just blows me away that we're giving kids adult
content in their hand unsupervised every day. I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I wholeheartedly agree you had mentioned the organization thor And
just for those that don't know, that organization actually was
started by Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore and I don't
know what we're involved in that anymore, but so kudos
to them and the tool Bark. Actually, it's funny you
(14:53):
mentioned that I did a review of Bark that I'm
going to be posting within the next week or so
of that program. So if you go to my YouTube channel,
you'll see a review of Bark. Bark is software that
(15:13):
you put on your your your children's devices and it
allows you to make sure that everything's going well there.
But yeah, Bark is a Bark is a great tool
to help you if you have if you have a children,
be sure to check out art And I get nothing
(15:34):
from mentioning that, but it is a great tool.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, for sure. You know, one of the challenges that
we're going to find with using artificial intelligence for good
is it always comes back to privacy concerns. And I
understand that because you know, think about it. You could
use artificial intelligence to identify anything, right, I mean, you
could identify anything with an algorithm. But then it's just
(15:59):
according to how much privacy do we want to give
up for it to be effective. And so I think
that that's going to be the struggle in building software
is the privacy concerns. You know, you could give a
law enforcement organization if they had the right to go
into all of your data and use artificial intelligence. They
could quickly find out, you know, what good or bad
(16:21):
you were up to. But then there's a privacy concern,
so we're going to have to figure that out and
that's going to be an interesting battle.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes, absolutely, What would you say again to the guys
that are listening to this, that have listened to both
these podcasts and they are they're they're ready to they're
(16:49):
ready to make they're ready to make a change. And
I know you know you're on the front lines there.
You're you're not a porn addiction recovery coach, but just
as a woman and have all all the experiences that
you've been through and what you know about porn and
sex trafficking, for a guy that's really struggling, like he
(17:15):
really wants to stop, and just as a person, what
would what would you say to that person?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I I can't answer that question without getting spiritual again, Eric,
because I believe that this is a spiritual warfare. You
know that it's beyond it's beyond what we're even talking about,
that it really is good versus evil. Just that having
(17:45):
understanding seeing what I have seen, I understand that it
is the worst of the worst that you can imagine
as bad as you can think the worst case scenario
of a bay or something like that. You know, we
know that that's happening. And so to even think for
a minute that if you're going to watch what you
(18:07):
want on porn hub or you porn or whatever you
think it's harmless, understand that you are contributing to an
infant being hurt in that way or even you know,
I'll tell one more story. There was a woman at
the at the shelter, I'll give her first, Elizabeth, who
(18:28):
came in and she had been kept in a trap house.
A trap house is they do drugs upstairs and then
they typically have a downstairs or someplace where they film
the worst of the worst so that they can make money.
And so Elizabeth, you know, got hooked to drugs upstairs,
but then they would take her downstairs live stream and
(18:51):
then also recording so that it can be sold again
and again and you could pay. And see, that's the
thing dopamine is. You know, Eric, because you've been in
the long time, you know pornography is powerful because of
the dopamine hit. You get that little pleasure hit, and
then you want more, You want something more, abusive. You
want a younger victim, and that's the way it worked
with elizabeths. So as they were viewing her, they could
(19:14):
pay more and more, hurt her more, knock her teeth out,
and they did. They broke this woman. And then she
came to the shelter. Well, she had split personality disorder.
She couldn't talk to us without coming in and out
of talking to us like a little baby, or going
into this very dark place that was protective of her
(19:34):
and you know, cursing us every way from the middle.
That happened. That's just one story of one individual. But
understand that that's what happens. You think it's okay to
watch two consenting adults in pornography, but that is the
world that you're feeding into. So just think of that,
you know, just think of that and don't click.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Wise words. Well, what if someone wants to learn more
about what you do or your work? How would someone
do that?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Go to Sabrina Stratford dot com, s A B R
I N A S T R A T F O
r D dot com. And so I've got, you know,
the way to connect some of the things that I've
been working on links to this emergency shelter and anchorage
that I was speaking of. If you come across organizations
(20:35):
that you want me to talk to and promote them
on my website, I will absolutely do that. So that's
probably the best way to connect and take it to
the next step.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Okay, And what if someone happens to be in the
midst of all these things, the negative things we're talking about,
how can they reach out for help?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
All fifty states have a hotline and there's a so
a National Human Trafficking hotline, and so just put that
into your search engine, you know, National Human Trafficking Hotline
or one for your state and you can dial up
and so you know, if you called Colorado, you might
talk to me and I would pull up a resource
directory and whatever that person needs, food, shelter, case management,
(21:22):
something for their family. You know a lot of our
victims in Colorado are illegal immigrants who have a debt
to pay and they're having to pay it by sex trafficking.
You know, they got over here by a coyote bringing
them over and they have to pay back their debt
with sex trafficking. A lot of our calls are that.
So your resources for these hot human trafficking hotlines can
(21:44):
help well.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Sabrina again, thanks for having the courage to do what
you do because I mean, you know, to do what
you did and face the people likely facing a sex
trafficker like head on, like wow. So thanks for the
work that you do. And I know what you said.
(22:07):
You know, the real heroes or the are the the
women are that are in those those help your health
shelters on the daily basis. But but you gotta, we
gotta give you your credit where credit is do. So
thanks for doing what you do. Thanks for being here,
my honor.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
My pleasure. Thank you so much for the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Eric, absolutely, and I'll close with this quote from zig
Ziggler that you are what you are and where you
are from what has gone into your mind. But you
can change what you are and you can change where
you are by changing what goes into this beautiful, magnificent mind.
(22:52):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
If you're struggling with poorn or sex addiction, reach out
to Eric at powerful eric dot com.
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