S7E5 - From Tragedy to Transformation (Part 1) - Porn Talk

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Speaker 3 (01:26):
We have someone here to empower us today. Michael Clegg
joins us to share his journey of transformation. Sparked by
a life changing tragedy. After a fatal accident, Clegg had
to face and rebuild himself, rediscovering a purpose he thought

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he had lost. Through his experience, Clegg developed his leader's
go first philosophy in the leadership Squad framework he uses
to guide others from executives to high school quarterbacks in
creating connection, psychological safety, and resilience. Together, we'll discover how

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these principles can be applied to some of us, overcoming
addictions and helping you to find a renewed sense of
purpose and an unwavering commitment to your goals. Well, please
welcome Michael Kleig.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Welcome Michael, and thank you for having me. That's quite
an intro too, and great music by the way, Thank.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
You, and well you're quite an amazing guy. Let's get
right to it. What was the tragedy that changed your life?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
In the spring of twenty twenty three, I was at
a football tournament. We actually played in the championship, which
we won, beating the art rivals that were playing this week,
and this first time we'd beaten them in seven years.
So you can imagine like parents were related, the kids
were related. I was elated, just a ton of fun.
So I hop in my truck to head home. And
I was in the Charlotte area, which is where I

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am today, and had about a forty five minute ride
home and was driving and on this part of the
highway on the Interstate. It was pretty dark, not a
lot of lights out in the more of a rural
part of Charlotte, and there was a gentleman standing on
the bridge that I did not see, and I was

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on the Interstate below the underpass, and he jumped off
in front of my truck and.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Within a split second, I mean, I didn't have time
to react.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
It happened that fast, and I ran.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Over him and he did not survive.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
And obviously that in and of itself is like even
telling the story sometimes it's kind of like an out
of body experience, like, man, that did happen to me
eighteen months ago.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
And which isn't a long time, by the way, But.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
You know, all I could think of was how quickly
I could pull over off the interstate to.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Go back and help him.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
And I do that, and I'm running up you know,
the shoulder of the highway and cars are still, you know,
flying by, and fortunately there was a couple of bystanders
that saw it happened that pulled over quickly.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
To try and get the traffic to stop.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
And by the time I got back to the gentleman,
it was clear that he didn't survive, which I'm not surprised,
And that just set an entire.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
String of events for me.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
And as you can imagine, if self reflection isn't exactly
something that comes to mind when something.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Like that happens, you know, I'd received tons of.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Messages and by the way, obviously, they they closed down
the interstate that evening, and fortunately I left before my
team left, because I also one of one of my kids,
one of my my son was on that team also,
so it very well could have been him or any
of his teammates.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Or they could have driven by that.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
But fortunately they left a little later than I did
because they were celebrating, and so I was very fortunate
that that happened to me and not to one of
my kids. I can't imagine any of my players or
my own kid having to go through that experience. So

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happy to expand on that, but I'll stop there for now,
and then you just tell me where you want me
to go with that.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Well, first of all, you know, I'm sorry that you
had to go through that, and I can't imagine begin
to imagine. Like I told you on our first call there,
a friend of mine, I was on the phone with
her the night that her son committed suicide in a

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very similar way by but he didn't jump off a bridge.
He ran in front of a semi tractor trailer truck.
And I can't help but think of that that night,
and so you know, to have that happened to you,

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take us through like the dark part here for us?
How did that affect you? What happened? And by the way,
for those that are listening, the reason that I haven't
have clegg here. Guys think they come here for porn
or sex addiction or commit overcoming some addiction. But I

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tell them, it's not about the porn or it's not
about the alcohol. It's about whatever is fueling it. And
some people have some horrific tragedies that happened. And so
you were able to only in eighteen months endure this
and actually come out the other side sounds like for

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the better to life. What happened after that?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, so that was a long evening.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Obviously, you know, police investigated the accident and they had
to check, double check, triple check everything that I said
was facts.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
And there because there were several witnesses.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I went home and uh, you know, I'd called
my wife from the scene, and you know, obviously there
wasn't a whole lot that I could say other than
what happened.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
And I guess there was a level of shock.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I knew what was going on, but you know, I
still was like, holy crap, like this really happened to me.
And and then I kept going through this loop about
you know, the individual that jumped, like, why who are they?
You know? Were they a husband? Were they a father?
I knew just by you know, visual appearance that looked

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to be you know, mid forties male. You know what
was what was going through that person's life in the
moment that that was the choice that they made in
that moment to in their life. And you know, I
kept going in a loop. It wasn't necessarily the accident
seeing itself that kept going in a loop, but it was.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
It was the questioning And still to day, I have
no idea.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I don't know the gentleman's name, I don't know anything
about him. And and it was a long night, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
I think I slept like twenty hours. I mean, I
think I've missed the entire next day.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
But knew that I needed to get in to see
some sort of counseling.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
And I did that the first day that I woke up.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
But I woke up to hundreds of text messages of
you know, Hey, it's not your fault. Hey, I'm sorry
you went through this. Hey, wrong place, wrong time, Hey,
I can't believe it. Do you want to talk about it,
I'm here for you, you know, stuff like that, people
trying to be kind, right, that's an unusual like how
do you respond to somebody that goes through something like that?
Like I, honestly, I don't know that I would necessarily

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how I would have handled that being a friend or
a colleague of me.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
But you know, I remember being with the counselor, and
I don't know that I said a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Obviously, I told her what happened, and she got me
in immediately, and there was a lot of silence. There
was a lot of.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
For me just questioning why, why me? Why me?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Kind of thing, and once again going through that loop
in my mind about who he was, why he did that?
You know, being someone that's always been passionate about leadership,
you know, I questioned, like, gosh, did he have did
he have a bad boss?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
You know, what was this work environment?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Like?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Did he have a job?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
And you know, some of the things you think about
are kind of really strange and out there, and I
certainly understand. But the weeks and months following that, I
just wasn't present anywhere in life. I wasn't present with
my family, and I've got three kids and a wife
twenty three years. I didn't want to go to work.
I didn't want to get out of bed. I didn't
really want to eat. I didn't want to work out.

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I didn't want to do anything in my normal routine.
I wanted to stay in bed and honestly just bury
my head. And that went on for a few months
till finally I just I was so sick of not
being present. Now, had you asked my family or my wife,
how's Claig doing, they would have been like, oh, he's great,
Like never even talks about it, you know, I don't.

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I don't think he thinks about it. He saidn't, no,
And I wasn't really openly sharing. Now, I continue to
go to counseling, you know, for three or four months,
and really it was last summer. I I knew that
I was in a bad place. I knew that I
wasn't being productive. I knew that I wasn't really being beneficial.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
To anyone in my life.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
And so I was just scrolling YouTube, honestly, and I
was googling, I think, like trauma, transformation, those types of things,
and I came across some videos by doctor Benjamin Hardy,
and it like this whole idea of your future self
just really spoke to me. And I mean he's got

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hundreds of videos on there, I believe at this point
now I've watched I think every single one or podcasts
that you've been on. I've I've been working with Doctor
Hardy for the better part of the last year and
some Mastermind groups with them. He's been a big part
of me becoming my future self, and even so much
so that I've created my own program group coaching for

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people that are just stuck in life.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
They are looking for more then they may not know
what more is.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
But they know they want it, called the Future You Program,
and so so many things have happened since then, but
it all the recovery really started when I started diving
into trauma and this whole ideal around being the future
version of yourself.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, and that's what I was really interested with your material,
The Future You, Doctor ben Hardy is awesome. That's how
we know each other through the Doctor ben Hardy's Future
Self book and program, and the program is awesome. So

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I wanted to hear about your future new program as well.
But before we get into that, one of the things
I heard you say, is when after this happened, all
these people reached out to you. But I always say
the opposite of addiction is connection, And it sounds like

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you were disconnecting from people.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
I really was. I didn't realize I was. But you know,
you can only tell the story so many times. I mean,
most people knew what happened. I mean when something like
that happens. I mean not that I'm like this big
public figure or anything, but you know, I am CEO
of an organization, so I have a lot of connections
through twenty plus years of being in this industry.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I coach high school football.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
So many of these kids on the team I've coached
even from their Pop Warner days, all the way through
high school. So I've got a lot of families that
I've been involved with over the last fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
And so word did spread pretty quickly and I didn't.
And honestly, I.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Think I told you the first time I really told
the full story. I believe was telling you outside of
obviously my counselor and really a select few people, but
publicly I've never told the full story. I've told part
of the accident, you know, through my ted X talk
and the recovery. But it really was more about the

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recovery than it was the accident and how I felt
in the moment and actually what happened in the accident,
and that in and of itself is cleansing.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
But yeah, I don't ironically. One of my values is connection.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
But yeah, I think it's very safe to say that
I was actively disconnecting.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, and that is the disconnecting, disconnection from people. It's
what often fuels different types of addictions and behaviors. So,
but the cool thing is that you came across doctor
ben Hardy's material Future Self, Future You material, and I

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stumbled across doctor Hardy's material as well. But I already
was very active in the identity change, because that's the
whole pile for Eric story. You know. I went to
all these programs where they say how you say you're
powerless over things? And that didn't work for me. So
I decided one today just to call myself powerful, Eric.

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And so that's why I was so attracted to doctor
ben Hardy's material and your material as well. How did
you turn things around or did things get worse before
they got better?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, I wouldn't say after that point it got worse.
I would say, this whole idea of becoming your future
self was pretty intriguing to me. I mean, naturally, I
think I'm a fairly ambitious person anyways, but I love
my profiles.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I love starting things, but not necessarily finishing things.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
And and so this was and let me take one
step back. You have to understand when I when I
discovered this and found this, you know, I'm I'm running
Q Works Group, which is my executive placement firm as
the CEO and co owner, and really took my eye

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off the ball in a in a bad way, you know,
just not being present. And it was the end of
September when I realized that our accountant at the time
had hired.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
One of their family members to do the bookkeeping. Well,
they had flipped debits and credits. They were listing debits's
credits and credits as debts. And so when I woke
up from you.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Know, this awful of and really started trying to be president,
I realized that as I was looking under the covers,
that we had lost almost five hundred thousand dollars in
our business that year and we weren't even in Q
four yet.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
So, you know, so throw that on.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Top of the accident and all of the residual things
that come from the accident, it was a pretty crappy
place to be. But I have to be honest, because
I had started dreaming about this whole ideal around the
future self.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I just put.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Together some steps to overcome the challenge, made some very
rapid changes inside of the organization. And you have to understand,
we also hit an all time high in revenue last year,
so we had to pay commissions and bonuses on that
revenue even though we were losing a significant amount of money,

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and so that created.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
This whole set of challenges.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
So all of this is going on in the back end,
and you know, doctor Hardy says it, it's not how
you do things, it's who you do them with, right,
It's who, not how. And so I really adapted to
that who concept and just started going out trying to
trying to partner connect with other who's that could help
me get out of one my accident struggles and two

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the company struggles. And so I joined Ben's Mastermind Group
in Q four last year, and I really started doing
some deep work and one of the things that I
work towards now is My mission is to humanize one
million conscious leaders. And a conscious leader doesn't necessarily have
to have that corporate title to be a conscious leader.

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A conscious leader is someone that's deeply introspective and highly
self aware. And most of us actually, like eighty five
plus percent of us are not self aware, even though
ninety five will say that.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
What do you mean, humanize them?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, so you've already mentioned connection.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
You know, being a human is, you know, what comes
with what separates us from you know, the rest of
the animal kingdom. Right, it's it's our ability to learn, Right,
it's our our our level of intelligence, and our emotions.
But in the workplace and in life, we feel like,

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unless we're in the confines of our homes, we feel
like we have to leave emotion out of it. And
you can't grow without emotion, because you can't get excited
about the future without emotion. Excitement in and of itself
is an emotion, and so embracing the emotions, you know,

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drumming up the appropriate emotions.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Is part of that deep introspection.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
And that's what doctor Hardy helped me with was I'd
never journaled, I've never done any of the things that
he taught us. You know that that eighteen months ago,
before the accident, I would have called all that stuff
like I don't do any of that woo woo crap.
That woo wuo crap is like it's gold. It is magical,
and I'm a believer.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
I was not right.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
I mean, I was your prototypical male sports guy, coach,
tough guy, alpha.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Male, all of that.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Right. That didn't give me anywhere right not to say
that I didn't have a level of success prior to
the accident. But what I didn't realize that prior to
the accident, I had reached the ceiling in my life
that and it was a self proclaimed I didn't even
know it was there. I just said, ah, you know what,
this is as good as it gets now. I was

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doing that automatically. I wasn't actively saying that because I
wasn't actively keeping score on my goals and ambitions.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Shame on me.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
And you know, at the time, a forty nine year
old man, I started looking back, going, man, you know
I have had some success.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Why did I stop? And what I realized was I
had stopped dreaming.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
And so as I started journaling with doctor Hardy and
Q four last year, there's a whole host of things
that came up.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
And you know, I call it the power of the pen.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
You learn so much about yourself that doesn't happen overnight, right,
it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
It just doesn't happen overnight. But it wasn't too long,
It wasn't you know, too many weeks.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Out where I really started identifying things that I had forgotten.
And one of the things in you know, Ben's Mastermind
was at the end when I was really looking forward
to what are some impossible goals for me to really
set beyond Q four for twenty twenty four, one of
them was I'm gonna tell this story of recovery on

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a ted X stage. So I determined that in December
of last year. And and to me, that was an apot.
Everybody that's on that's doing tech talks, they're all like
famous people, right, Those are people that have books. There's
the people that you know have have changed the world
in some way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I didn't know, right. I made a lot of assumptions.
And it's one of the things we learned to question
our assumptions.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
And so I started this idea of just asking myself
one question and and this is if for your audience
it's listening, write this down, asking yourself one question. So
when I said I want to do a tech X stage,
I want to be on a tech stage to tell
the story of recovery within five years was my goal.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's what I was putting down on paper.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
The question is what would have to be true in
order for you to achieve that. So I go to
the pen, I start journaling, and I start going through
the process of you know, what would have to be true? Well,
I need to have a book, Well I need to
be famous, Well, all these self limiting beliefs, right, the
lies that we tell ourselves. I'm writing on paper and

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it did take me a couple few days to ultimately
get to it. But what I realized was if I'm
going to do this, I had to commit.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
I have to be all in.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And one of the things that I teach my clients
is if you want to change, you can't wait until
you feel good, because you're not gonna have confidence about
change because change requires you to do something different.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
And two, most people wait for the capability to know how.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
To do something before they commit to doing it, and
that's why so many people are stuck that's why ninety
two ninety three percent of people never achieve their goals
because they're waiting until they feel good or waiting to
know how to do something.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
And I fully committed. I was all in.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
I burned the boats and I said I'm going to
be on a TATEX stage within five years. And what
I ended up coming up with is what would have
to be true in order for me to achieve that
was I'm going to hire a speaking coach, And so
did some interviews, found the local Guides North Carolina, had
a conversation with him, and what I figured was, I

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don't know how to do a TED talk. I'm not
a professional speaker. I don't even know how to land
a TED talk. You know, everything I read about it
was like some some things that I saw. It takes
fifty plus times of applications of before you even get one.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Actually the average is eighty six to get one talk.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
So I hire someone who had already done too, and
who was a professional speaker, and and he got me
to apply the first of January or the end of
December rather before the end of Q four. He got
me to apply to a TEDx and and by the way,
when I say it got me to apply. He told

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me to apply and I didn't, and I get a
text message from him at like three o'clock before the
five pm deadline.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Clegg.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Everybody calls me Clig by the way, include my wife, Clegg.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Have you applied? I was like, should I even respond
or wait till after five o'clock?

Speaker 1 (24:56):
So I response like no, he goes apply, Please apply.
You didn't hire me to not figure this out. Apply.
This is built for you. This is made for you.
I know it, I feel it. Apply. So I did,
and a few weeks later I got a phone call
that they were intrigued about my story. And then you know,
the process happens. You have to do an interview, you

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have to send a three minute video. This is this
whole process, and I ended up being selected. But the
point is is that my mindset was what would have
to be true, and so I responded.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I answered. I journaled on that and came up.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
With hiring a speaking coach, someone that's already one, knows
how to do it.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
So there was the capability that we usually wait for.
It's his capability. He was going to teach me.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
And then the confidence I felt great because I was
hiring someone, so I felt confident to apply, not because
I knew how to do it or anything about it,
or that I would get selected. The first time I applied,
I certainly didn't think that would happen. But because I
was all in, because I burned the votes, because I
fully committed, it didn't happen in five years. I was
on a text age within five months. Wow, And that

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was part. That was also a part of this recovery,
because you know, my mindset started changing about this future.
You And oh, by the way, how I landed on
doing a ted talk or a TEDx was.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
In my journaling.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I had started coming up with things that happened to
me as a kid, and a lot of trauma. And
you know, most of us know our lives. When our
lives are crapped, they tend to stem from things that happened.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
To us when we were kids.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
And I mean, I the first seven to eight minutes
of my TEDx is all things that I remembered by journaling.
I mean, my TEDx starts. You know, picture this, an
eight year old little boy standing on top of a
bump bed holding a small bible, pretending to preach to
the congregation below, But in reality, the only member of
the congregation was my three year old little brother. Like

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I was writing that, and I'm getting goosebumps talking about it,
because I remembered standing on that damn bunk bed, holding
that small Bible, pretending to preach to my little brother,
and I.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Was, And I remembered the feeling of being in front
of people.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I remembered the feeling of dreaming, of ambition, of one
day being in a stadium, in an arena, in front
of thousands of people telling my story. Now, I didn't
want to be a preacher, right that. I didn't want
to be standing on the pulpit. But that's all I
knew at that time. You know, I went to church

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on Sundays with my mom, and so I remembered that.
I remembered things about when my parents got divorced. I
remembered things about my stepdad and all bad, bad, bad
things that Now I realized that, you know, we all
hear the victim mindset, and most of us asked the question,

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why did that happen to me? I get that, I
understand that's a natural response why. But in reality, what
doctor Hardy helped me with was you know that that
why did that happen to me? Is a very victim mindset.
It's a very fixed mindset, like like like I had anything.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
To do with the event. Of course I didn't.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
But what doctor Hardy says is shift your thought process
from what happened to you to how did that happen
for you? And and when I met him, which is
an entirely different story, probably for another episode, but I
met him during the Q four challenge after I had
declared the day before that he was going to be

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one of my who's He said to me and I said,
I said, Ben, I said, I just can't get past
this whole happened to me versus for me.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I said, I just don't understand.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I was like, I said, so, so basically that's me
saying that someone else had to lose their life in
order for me to have a good one. Like that's
some selfish ass stuff right there. Like I don't even
He was like, no, Claig, you don't understand. It's not
He's like, the past is yours. We don't control the events.
Bad things happen to good people all the time. We

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cannot control the events. But what we can control is
the meaning of those events. What can we pull out
of why that was happening, what lessons have we learned?
And I'm not Oh, I get that. That was like

(29:40):
a That was a massive breakthrough moment for me because
I realized that I had the power of that event.
I had the power of taking the meaning out of
that event. And that's when everything really starts coming together

(30:01):
and including going I need to tell the story. I
need to tell the things that I've learned about this recovery,
about this process, about thinking about tomorrow becoming the future you.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
And it was so powerful and so I made that
declared that goal.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
And my possible goal is going to be to tell
the TEDx be on a teTeX stage average Joe, you know,
in five years.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
But because I fully committed, it happened in five months.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm going to start and found a new company called
Leadership Squared, which Leadership Squared is a framework that I
call the power of two, which is culture and connection, right,
And that's the whole premise around humanizing one million conscious leaders,
because you cannot be a conscious leader without deep introspection.
Because look at all the things that I would not

(30:53):
have had in life had I not found doctor Hardy
and realized the value of deep introspection and then having
high self awareness, self awareness telling me, well, I don't
know how to be on a tat X stage, but
I can find somebody that that does.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
And so that set this chain.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Of events into one being on the TATEX stage earlier
this year, starting and founding this company in January, making
it profitable inside of just a handful of months, and
and and now starting to grow this and create a program.
And oh, by the way, you know, I do a

(31:33):
lot of one on one coaching, but I realized, like
I couldn't help more people. I'm like, how am I
going to humanize a million conscious leaders if I'm only
meeting people one on one? And one of the things
been told me in May, He's like, Cleg, you got
to start saying no to things.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
You've got to start.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Uncommitting from things in your life that don't serve a
purpose to your mission. And so that's when I said,
oh my gosh, I can start doing group coaching.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I can actually start really professionally speaking, reaching more people.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Claig, I hate to cut you off, but we're out
of time for this episode. Don't worry We'll have you
back in Part two, where we'll dive even deeper into
your journey and how these powerful principles can change lives.
Make sure to subscribe so you don't miss it until then.
Stay strong, stay focused, and keep channeling your energy into

(32:32):
your goals. This is powerful Eric signing off, see you
in the next episode for Part two.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Thanks for listening. If you're struggling with porn or sex addiction,
reach out to Eric at powerfuleric dot com.

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