September 18, 2025 • 9 mins
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(00:00):
She and Charlie start dating in 2019.
They married two years later in 2021.
And here she is talking about how they they met originally.
Kirk, I guess, according to them, build their first meeting
as a job interview with TPUSA. After we got through literally
(00:22):
half of the Constitution, going through why I'm living in New
York and how I shouldn't be living in New York and what I
what my five year plan is, what success looks like to me, what I
studied in college, why it's like every topic you could
imagine that is close to CharlieKirk's heart is what we
discussed and went through. When it was, it was like 3 1/2
(00:45):
hours and they were starting to close up and he was finished
with his burger. Just sat there and I'm like
looking around like, OK, did I get the job?
Like what's going on? I don't need the job, but did I
get it? What's going on?
And he goes, you know, I'm not going to hire you.
It's like, I OK, well, thank goodness I didn't need the job
because I'm already doing stuff here in Manhattan.
(01:07):
He goes, I'm going to date you. And I kind of just, I just sat
for. I froze.
I mean, wouldn't you? I literally for I was just like,
OK, was not just not expecting this at all.
And he was, I was like, do you want to just how would we just
be friends first? Just to interject here, this is
weird. OK, sorry.
This is awful. This is weird.
(01:28):
She she's been he her according to her that come online.
It's like it's like, well, you don't get the job.
But the new thing is I want to date you, which is to me like
weird. I don't know.
That is insanely scummy. Yeah, it sounds scummy, but his
portrayed is so scummy. I don't know.
So sketchy. This is supposed to be like a
(01:50):
feel good story which is like I went in seeking employment and
instead the boss made an advanceon me and boy was IA lucky gal.
I don't know. I don't know is Yeah, He hit on
her in New York City and took her to a place called Bill's
Burgers. OK, so one reason we cannot go
too long on Erica Kirk is because her personality and her
(02:12):
influencer content and everything like that, just there
is just nothing in this but Bible stuff.
It's just like it, it really is nothing but her wearing
different dresses, different jewelry and talking about the
Bible. There's I, I, I, you know, I
look through it. I look for something I don't
think our listeners want to hearmuch is in the way of Bible
(02:33):
quotes right now. So I kind of didn't just clip,
that's up. I don't think that's our target
audience. Yeah, so, but it's literally
there's not much else. I looked through her ex account
and she made very few posts thatwere anything other than a Bible
quote. One of them in 2021 she wrote
quote. It's very hard to influence the
(02:54):
world when you look just like it.
I don't know what that means. I don't know.
I don't know what that means. It's like that's fortune cookie
tear shit. I don't actually know.
What that means that is that is like classic 2000, you know, 13
Twitter where people are just, you know, someone will post
something where it's like they don't know how hard it is just
(03:14):
to keep going. And then it gets retweeted like
35,000 times. And every time I would have a
story do good on Twitter, I would like humble myself by
going and finding one of those posts and being like, yeah, you
think you think your story's hotshit, it got 2000 retweets, but
but you will never touch AI SpongeBob or like, you know,
(03:35):
whatever. It is what it is.
One clip of Erica's is making the rounds a lot, is what she
said in an interview about a year or two ago in which she
said that I love submitting to Charlie.
That healthy balance of you, like I love submitting to
(03:56):
Charlie because he's in a phenomenal leader and the way
that he loves me, like melts me to want to be able to help.
How can I help you? I mean, every single morning I
ask him and he asks me how can Ibe praying for you?
How can I make your day better? And I ask him at the end of
that. So this is a key thing that we
can discuss here. I mean, obviously this sounds
(04:17):
like kink play to me. Maybe I'm a perv.
I I mean, I just hear that it's like I love submitting to char.
I don't know, you know, that's alittle weird.
I don't know, I, I, I would never date somebody who said
that publicly, but privately sounds like.
Privately. Privately, you're all about it,
you know. Yeah, sure.
(04:37):
Yeah, exactly. It's it's, it's a weird comment
to say. I I love submitting to to
Charlie, to Charlie. It's.
Maybe they're also like exhibitionists or something.
I shouldn't write this off. Yeah.
I, I I don't know. There's a million different
flavors of this stuff, you know,it's consensual.
It it it. But you know what?
Here we're going to get to the main thing here to discuss,
(04:58):
which is that quote may sound a little bit weird to us, but to
their audience, to the kind of Liberty University type
audience, she is apparently justtalking about the woman's role
in marriage. Like that is what they do, they
like they need it. It's all about how much can they
(05:18):
submit, how much can they be deferential to the husband?
How much can they know their role versus his role, whatever.
And they are selling to people akind of model of what male
female relationships are supposed to be.
Which I should add is, you know,it doesn't take a brain surgeon
(05:39):
here if everybody's saying, oh, duh, Mike, not particularly
feminist way of seeing the world.
Yeah, So the year that Erica Kirk and Charlie Kirk got
married, 2021, something I also want to note here, and again,
referencing something I said earlier, they had two kids
together. I I'm sure that they were fond
(06:01):
of each other. I'm not going to be like, this
was an op, this was a, you know,this, this is a charade.
But Erica happened to like Mary Kirk right around the time that
Kirk was diving like really sinking his teeth into Christian
nationalism and started picking up like more frequent speaking
(06:21):
slots on the Christian nationalist stage and networking
and interfacing more directly and more directly with
evangelical political organizing.
I mean, this started earlier, tobe fair.
You know, they did the Falkirk Center.
Cherry Falwell Junior and Charlie Kirk were friends, knew
each other. Whatever.
A lot of the donors to Turning Point USA in the early years.
(06:45):
Foster Friess is very Christian ideologue kind of guy.
It's always been an element, butthis is when it really started
to become more of the public persona of Charlie Kirk.
And in those spaces, being a mangoing on 30 who's unmarried is
not like you can only play that one so long before that audience
(07:07):
starts feeling sour about it. So it was very convenient and
within those circles, the pairing of Charlie and Erica
together, the king and queen of Turning Point, USAA, you know,
Jimmy and Tammy Faye Baker kind of dynamic duo.
Even if that didn't play with a lot of success to a general
(07:30):
audience in these super religious, super Christian
audiences that Kirk was trying to fold into the milieu of
TPUSAS influence in a more material way, this was catnip.
Yeah, I, I, I think that that isthe thing which you mentioned
there about Jimmy and Tammy FayeBaker.
(07:50):
TPUSA was, at the time of Kirk'sdeath, starting to market the
couple as a sort of Christian power couple, a kind of symbol
of marriage, a thing that everybody should aspire to, and
a a kind of a cruel influencer thing.
(08:12):
A a couple influencer tandem or whatever.
And they were the main. Unit right?
Yeah, it was the, it was the, itwas the marriage unit and they
were selling that. And you can see very clearly
that it was working from the waypeople have responded to his
death, right? Because everybody, the first
thing you hear for with everybody, right is, is you
(08:33):
know, he, he was, he was a father and a husband and all
that. It's just so much a part of his
branding and with influencers there, everything that you see
is heavily manicured. You're always seeing what they
want you to see, not what you really don't want you to see
about their relationship. And so there's a lot of clips
you'll, you're seeing now of Charlie being like, I love you
(08:53):
and her being like, I love you too, right?
These are these are clips that they took, right?
If it seems inauthentic or seemsweird, it is kind of weird
because if you imagine yourself with a girlfriend or boyfriend
or husband or wife or whomever and you imagine yourself like,
hold on, let me get a selfie of it and let now let's say I love
you. It is a weird thing.
But they were really presenting.They weren't necessarily, I
(09:15):
mean, they may have loved each other as much off screen as as
as on screen, of course, but they were really, it was a
calculated performance in order to generate money.
And that's a key thing here thatI think we need to address,
which is they were making money hand over fest.
She and Charlie start dating in 2019.
They married two years later in 2021.
And here she is talking about how they they met originally.
Kirk, I guess, according to them, build their first meeting
as a job interview with TPUSA. After we got through literally
(00:22):
half of the Constitution, going through why I'm living in New
York and how I shouldn't be living in New York and what I
what my five year plan is, what success looks like to me, what I
studied in college, why it's like every topic you could
imagine that is close to CharlieKirk's heart is what we
discussed and went through. When it was, it was like 3 1/2
(00:45):
hours and they were starting to close up and he was finished
with his burger. Just sat there and I'm like
looking around like, OK, did I get the job?
Like what's going on? I don't need the job, but did I
get it? What's going on?
And he goes, you know, I'm not going to hire you.
It's like, I OK, well, thank goodness I didn't need the job
because I'm already doing stuff here in Manhattan.
(01:07):
He goes, I'm going to date you. And I kind of just, I just sat
for. I froze.
I mean, wouldn't you? I literally for I was just like,
OK, was not just not expecting this at all.
And he was, I was like, do you want to just how would we just
be friends first? Just to interject here, this is
weird. OK, sorry.
This is awful. This is weird.
(01:28):
She she's been he her according to her that come online.
It's like it's like, well, you don't get the job.
But the new thing is I want to date you, which is to me like
weird. I don't know.
That is insanely scummy. Yeah, it sounds scummy, but his
portrayed is so scummy. I don't know.
So sketchy. This is supposed to be like a
(01:50):
feel good story which is like I went in seeking employment and
instead the boss made an advanceon me and boy was IA lucky gal.
I don't know. I don't know is Yeah, He hit on
her in New York City and took her to a place called Bill's
Burgers. OK, so one reason we cannot go
too long on Erica Kirk is because her personality and her
(02:12):
influencer content and everything like that, just there
is just nothing in this but Bible stuff.
It's just like it, it really is nothing but her wearing
different dresses, different jewelry and talking about the
Bible. There's I, I, I, you know, I
look through it. I look for something I don't
think our listeners want to hearmuch is in the way of Bible
(02:33):
quotes right now. So I kind of didn't just clip,
that's up. I don't think that's our target
audience. Yeah, so, but it's literally
there's not much else. I looked through her ex account
and she made very few posts thatwere anything other than a Bible
quote. One of them in 2021 she wrote
quote. It's very hard to influence the
(02:54):
world when you look just like it.
I don't know what that means. I don't know.
I don't know what that means. It's like that's fortune cookie
tear shit. I don't actually know.
What that means that is that is like classic 2000, you know, 13
Twitter where people are just, you know, someone will post
something where it's like they don't know how hard it is just
(03:14):
to keep going. And then it gets retweeted like
35,000 times. And every time I would have a
story do good on Twitter, I would like humble myself by
going and finding one of those posts and being like, yeah, you
think you think your story's hotshit, it got 2000 retweets, but
but you will never touch AI SpongeBob or like, you know,
(03:35):
whatever. It is what it is.
One clip of Erica's is making the rounds a lot, is what she
said in an interview about a year or two ago in which she
said that I love submitting to Charlie.
That healthy balance of you, like I love submitting to
(03:56):
Charlie because he's in a phenomenal leader and the way
that he loves me, like melts me to want to be able to help.
How can I help you? I mean, every single morning I
ask him and he asks me how can Ibe praying for you?
How can I make your day better? And I ask him at the end of
that. So this is a key thing that we
can discuss here. I mean, obviously this sounds
(04:17):
like kink play to me. Maybe I'm a perv.
I I mean, I just hear that it's like I love submitting to char.
I don't know, you know, that's alittle weird.
I don't know, I, I, I would never date somebody who said
that publicly, but privately sounds like.
Privately. Privately, you're all about it,
you know. Yeah, sure.
(04:37):
Yeah, exactly. It's it's, it's a weird comment
to say. I I love submitting to to
Charlie, to Charlie. It's.
Maybe they're also like exhibitionists or something.
I shouldn't write this off. Yeah.
I, I I don't know. There's a million different
flavors of this stuff, you know,it's consensual.
It it it. But you know what?
Here we're going to get to the main thing here to discuss,
(04:58):
which is that quote may sound a little bit weird to us, but to
their audience, to the kind of Liberty University type
audience, she is apparently justtalking about the woman's role
in marriage. Like that is what they do, they
like they need it. It's all about how much can they
(05:18):
submit, how much can they be deferential to the husband?
How much can they know their role versus his role, whatever.
And they are selling to people akind of model of what male
female relationships are supposed to be.
Which I should add is, you know,it doesn't take a brain surgeon
(05:39):
here if everybody's saying, oh, duh, Mike, not particularly
feminist way of seeing the world.
Yeah, So the year that Erica Kirk and Charlie Kirk got
married, 2021, something I also want to note here, and again,
referencing something I said earlier, they had two kids
together. I I'm sure that they were fond
(06:01):
of each other. I'm not going to be like, this
was an op, this was a, you know,this, this is a charade.
But Erica happened to like Mary Kirk right around the time that
Kirk was diving like really sinking his teeth into Christian
nationalism and started picking up like more frequent speaking
(06:21):
slots on the Christian nationalist stage and networking
and interfacing more directly and more directly with
evangelical political organizing.
I mean, this started earlier, tobe fair.
You know, they did the Falkirk Center.
Cherry Falwell Junior and Charlie Kirk were friends, knew
each other. Whatever.
A lot of the donors to Turning Point USA in the early years.
(06:45):
Foster Friess is very Christian ideologue kind of guy.
It's always been an element, butthis is when it really started
to become more of the public persona of Charlie Kirk.
And in those spaces, being a mangoing on 30 who's unmarried is
not like you can only play that one so long before that audience
(07:07):
starts feeling sour about it. So it was very convenient and
within those circles, the pairing of Charlie and Erica
together, the king and queen of Turning Point, USAA, you know,
Jimmy and Tammy Faye Baker kind of dynamic duo.
Even if that didn't play with a lot of success to a general
(07:30):
audience in these super religious, super Christian
audiences that Kirk was trying to fold into the milieu of
TPUSAS influence in a more material way, this was catnip.
Yeah, I, I, I think that that isthe thing which you mentioned
there about Jimmy and Tammy FayeBaker.
(07:50):
TPUSA was, at the time of Kirk'sdeath, starting to market the
couple as a sort of Christian power couple, a kind of symbol
of marriage, a thing that everybody should aspire to, and
a a kind of a cruel influencer thing.
(08:12):
A a couple influencer tandem or whatever.
And they were the main. Unit right?
Yeah, it was the, it was the, itwas the marriage unit and they
were selling that. And you can see very clearly
that it was working from the waypeople have responded to his
death, right? Because everybody, the first
thing you hear for with everybody, right is, is you
(08:33):
know, he, he was, he was a father and a husband and all
that. It's just so much a part of his
branding and with influencers there, everything that you see
is heavily manicured. You're always seeing what they
want you to see, not what you really don't want you to see
about their relationship. And so there's a lot of clips
you'll, you're seeing now of Charlie being like, I love you
(08:53):
and her being like, I love you too, right?
These are these are clips that they took, right?
If it seems inauthentic or seemsweird, it is kind of weird
because if you imagine yourself with a girlfriend or boyfriend
or husband or wife or whomever and you imagine yourself like,
hold on, let me get a selfie of it and let now let's say I love
you. It is a weird thing.
But they were really presenting.They weren't necessarily, I
(09:15):
mean, they may have loved each other as much off screen as as
as on screen, of course, but they were really, it was a
calculated performance in order to generate money.
And that's a key thing here thatI think we need to address,
which is they were making money hand over fest.
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