044: Who the Hell is Laura Loomer? feat. Will Sommer

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it. Thanks for joining us another
week. I'm Jared Holt and.
I'm Mike Hayden. And I'm will summer.
Today we're back with another installment in our Who the Hell
episode series, where we sit down for a couple hours and
review the life story of prominent right wing
influencers. Our previous episodes have
covered Jack Bosobic, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, Dave

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Portnoy, Anthony Kumia, and mostrecently, Charlie Kirk.
You can scroll back in the feed and find those.
In this episode, we're taking a closer look at Laura Loomer,
arguably the most enigmatic character of today's MAGA social
media universe. Laura is a divisive person even
on the political right, but despite this, her influence on
mainstream Republican politics has grown to an absurd level.

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Over the last year, Laura Loomerhas enjoyed more access to power
than ever before. She was seen travelling with
President Donald Trump on the 2024 campaign trail, and the
White House has consulted her onmultiple occasions.
Several government officials have lost their jobs lately
thanks to pressure campaigns ledby Laura Loomer.

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Aside from access to the president, Laura Loomer also
stands out among her social media peers for her truly over
the top performances. Her truly over the top antics,
and that is in the field of of performative people.
She seems to have an inability to feel shame or embarrassment.
Some people have called her unhinged and there seems to be

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no limit on how far she's willing to go to get people's
attention. And nothing seems to be too
extreme for her to latch on to. We nearly lost our minds
preparing this episode. A lot of what we're going to
cover today is a mix of sad, insane, scary, and in a lot of
cases, hilarious. As we cover Laura's rise to

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power, we'll also explore some of the deep cuts and forgotten
episodes in her career. There have been a lot of profile
pieces about Laura and mainstream news outlets and
walls. Some of those are pretty good.
We felt none of them really in depth, you know, to to the full
extent unpacked the low lights of her back story.

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So joining us this week is Will Summer.
Again, listeners who have been with us for a minute will
remember him from our episode about the Epstein finals
debacle. He's a reporter with The
Bulwark, where he writes A newsletter called False Flag.
Will is one of the top chroniclers of mega media.
I think that's indisputable. And somebody who, like us, knows

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way too much about Laura Loomer.What's up Will?
Hey, happy to be here. I thought you were going to say
one of the top chroniclers of Laura Loomer, which is also a
sort of industry unto itself. Yeah, no kidding.
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way, I've got big tits and an Ashkenazi IQ.

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Let's get started right? And I'm going to say that it is
always the Jews. It is.
And I say that as a Jew myself. I don't understand why, why the
rich Jews of this country are sohell bent on trying to destroy
our country. But for some reason, reason so
many rich Jews have a fixation on trying to destroy America and

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it's not an anti-Semitic statement to make.
I say that as a Jew myself. OK I am very pro Israel, I am a
self identifying Zionist and I am not hateful towards Jewish
people. But I will say as a Jew, the
Jews were sent is the Jew themselves.
And I am really sick and tired of watching all of these Jews
with large amounts of money in our country donate to fund the

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destruction of our nation and the communist takeover of
America. So, OK, you know, listen.
So it's 1993 and Alice In Chainsis on the radio and it's a it's
a Clinton is in charge and it's a very exciting time for America
and. Laura Loomer is born on May 21st

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in Tucson, AZ. She's raised Jewish, but later
identifies herself as a Jewish atheist.
She has a difficult home life and her mentally ill brother
attacked her family members. Apparently she goes on to
boarding school to avoid her violent brother and becomes
obsessed with the War on Terror and watches Fox News.

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Does that sound right to you? Will?
That's all right. Yeah.
That's she, she really admires Ann Coulter.
She's living this like a very basically.
Yeah. She's sent to boarding school to
get away from her violent brother.
And, you know, this is accordingto a recent New York Times
profile of her and something shetalks about a lot.
And she's she's in this very kind of like George W Bush era,

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you know, real like a fear of Islamic terror.
OK, so that's a so. So she's, I mean, she's pretty
young when the war on terroristsis kicking off.
I mean, she's just a, she's justa, a child still basically.
So she grows up in it. Yeah, that's exactly right.
And she's just like, you know, mainlining this stuff straight
to the brain. So 2011, 2012 Laura Loomer
enrolls in Mount Holyoke College, but she leaves after

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one semester, citing liberal culture shock.
In a profile piece in the Forward, she recounts being very
lonely on campus. One of the things she told
reporters there was that she would eat lunch by herself every
day. So her early Fourier in the
higher education is a pretty isolating sad experience it

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sounds like. If I were calling correctly, I
think she complained about like the amount of lesbianism there
as well. You know, there there was sort
of this sense that she this likevery sort of protein young
Republican goes to Mount Holyokeand is like the Mount Holy woke
perhaps. Well, she transfers to Barry
University in Florida where she studies communications.

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That is a private Catholic University.
I imagine there's there's much less woke running amok in this
Catholic college. Sounds like she's very isolated
in general at the at the at the early stops of her life.
Yeah, I, I think now that we've gotten into a few years of it, I
mean, I think we can look at thesome themes that are going to

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start to emerge about Laura Loomer.
And one of one of which is sort of a, a personality that perhaps
does not get along with a lot ofpeople and has not like built
strong friendships often. And I mean, she, I mean, it, I
will say I think something we'realso going to run into is this
is going to sound like we're just insanely mean.
But she's, she's really open about a lot of this stuff.

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I mean, she talks about being lonely all the time, feeling her
life has been ruined. And so in this case, yeah, she
she gets there and once again, she, you know, does not fit in.
She gets really into kind of undercover activism as I think
we're we're about to get into here.
Yeah, because of 2015, Laura Lumber filmed something for
Project Veritas. This stunt is has been dubbed in

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a lot of profiles as the ISIS Club stunt.
It resulted in her getting suspended from campus.
She ended up graduating still, but what was this?
Will I? I mean from what I remember she,
you know, with Project Veritas classic undercover camera sting
thing, she goes in and tries to form a pro isis club on campus.

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Before, before Will answers thatfor our senior listeners, what
is Project Veritas? Very quickly.
Sure, OK, sure. So up top.
So Project Veritas is a nonprofit the the sort of for
what from it was started as sortof the outlet for James O'Keefe,
the infamous acorn pimp and to sort of fund and and publish his

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his undercover right wing sting videos on various liberal
targets. And now James.
The one thing I I think is an interesting parallel here is
that James's rise to fame began when he complained to the
administration at his own college that having Lucky Charms
in the cafeteria was offensive to Irish Americans.

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And so this was sort of like these.
Can you believe these wokeys fell for this kind of thing?
So I don't know if you sent Laura on this mission.
This is a classic projects Veritas, like, you know,
initiation ritual to trick your college administrators.
But basically she, she talked toa college staffer and she said,
you know, I want to start this ISIS club, but I need a, a
college advisor and, you know, can you help me start this club?

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But there was kind of, it was like a little, it wasn't like,
don't you think suicide bombing is cool?
It, it, it was a little like, you know, don't you think like
we should help people in Syria? And some of the guys like, oh,
and she's like, oh, by the way, it's about supporting guys.
So what, you know, and so I think it was pretty misleading
and the administration was not thrilled with it.
She's barred from campus, I believe she doesn't get to walk

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at her graduation. And so she's sitting on the
beach by campus watching, you know, hearing the graduation
with her dad. And she writes about this in her
memoir and, you know, being justfeeling once again, completely
isolated. And and there's this thing where
you know, we're going to run into where it's like this, this
right wing activism is meant to sort of bring her some kind of

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acclaim, but also like a community or respect perhaps.
And it often does not It it onlyreally isolates her further from
the world. OK, so she graduates from Barry
without going on stage and graduates into a role with
Project Veritas and James O'Keefe.
So he sort of rewards her for her, for her loyalty and her

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silly stunt. She starts dogging the Hillary
Clinton campaign. This is, of course, like at the
start of this is really the end of the Obama years, which I'm
sure were not received well by Laura.
She keeps trying to get them to agree on camera to commit
campaign finance violations. I guess probably this is like

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the origin, if I'm correct, of her sort of putting cameras in
people's faces, right? That style of provocation.
I don't it's not journalism thatshe would go on to later call
loomering people like she would use her last name as a verb.
Yes, she wasn't using it yet. Yeah.
So Laura starts doing kind of like very kind of grunt work

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style. This was when back when James
O'Keefe was kind of at the apex of his powers and he, you know,
he had gotten ACORN. He had, I believe, gotten some
executives fired from NPR. He had a sort of a string of
successes and so he had people across the country who were
trying to infiltrate these democratic campaigns, democratic
political organizations and and later there would be a lawsuit
that would kind of put a lot into a lot of that.

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But but at the time he was really bawling out of control.
And Laura was, I would say, produced some of the stunts that
were initially marked as kind ofthe the decline of chance of
keeping Project Veritas. I think the most famous one was
when she goes to, I think of Hillary Clinton campaign event
in New York and she gets a Canadian woman to say, oh, geez,

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I really want this shirt. But you know, you have to like
pay a donation to get the shirt.And Laura says, well, I'll, I'll
essentially act as a straw donorfor this $20 shirt and I'll make
the donation and give you the shirt.
But really, So really it's a donation from you because you'll
reimburse me. And you know, this, this is
this. This is pretty small balls.
Yeah, you. Know.
I mean, this is really entrapment because the campaign

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worker was like, I guess. And, and so this was sort of
the, the, the, the, her apex moment at Project Veritas.
But even then, I remember peoplegetting this video when no one
knew who Laura Loomer was. But James O'Keefe kind of
trumpeted this video. And it's like, oh boy, the the
the salad days of ACORN are behind us.
Yeah, yeah, she's in her early 20s, right?
I mean, she's. Pretty.

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Yeah. I mean, she's really young.
This is like right out of college.
So I, I think the stunt that shedoes for Project Veritas during
the 2016 election cycle that kind of raised the most eyebrows
involved Laura going to a polling place in New York City
wearing a burqa, claiming that her name was Huma Abedin, who

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was a, you know, very powerful Clinton aide who who would go on
to marry the son of George Soros.
That's a whole fucking cane of worms.
I don't feel like opening because we'll eat up the rest of
our episode time. But so she goes to this polling
place on Election Day 2016 and is like, I don't have an ID.
I, I'm Huma Aberdeen, I'm wearing a burqa, whatever.

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And the polling worker does whatthe procedure is and says, well,
we can give you a provisional ballot.
And when she gets this provisional ballot, she bails
out. She does not fill out a
provisional ballot as Zuma Aberdeen and submit it because
if she did, she would have committed voter fraud, which is

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a crime, right? But still, you know, they take
this video and they're like, look, look, they election fraud,
right? I mean, I all of this kind of
stuff really went gangbusters in2020.
But but I mean, this, it was a afeature of right wing media for
so long and that's kind of how this how this theme went.
It also combines sort of a couple of a couple things here,

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right? There's kind of a Muslim panic
as well, which is sort of something Laura always likes to
sort of sprinkle across whateverher activism is.
That's kind of her original claim to fame and, and, and
really what motivated her. And then also, yeah, as you
said, I mean, there's the there's Hume Abedin, of course,
at the time, you know, this was also when she was married to
Anthony Weiner. They were going to divorce and
the whole Weiner laptop thing. So.

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So where it was was perhaps figuring out more how to how to
get in the news and have her finger on the pulse of the
zeitgeist. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's almost like lookingat the headlines and picking out
keywords, right. It's like almost like amateur
search engine optimization of just like of like, you know, you
turn on Sean Hannity and it's like whatever the keywords that

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appeared most often, you're like, yes, something, something
like this. But in the doc, will you put a
quote from something James O'Keefe wrote about Laura in his
book? How did he describe Laura?
OK, yeah. I believe this is in James
O'keefe's book. It might be the forward to
Laura's book, but either way, hewrote about her.

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She appears to be functionally immune to fear, to shame and to
embarrassment. And this is this is a positive
review. He he, he, he admires this about
her. And you know, this is something
maybe I should have said this uptop, but but I think Jared, you
mentioned there have been a lot of profiles of Laura Loomer
there. There were, there have been good
ones, There have been bad ones. The New York Times had a pretty
good one a few months ago. But like, I think this podcast

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format is going to be so good toget into it because there is a,
there's a pathology here that isso like a lot of regular media
figures are jerks and a lot of them are grifters and their
motivations are pretty clear. But Laura has been through so
many ups and downs and her psychology is so there and so
obvious and so completely so, sotwisted in some ways that that

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that I, I'm excited to get into it.
But but in this case you have James O'Keefe saying, you know,
she's immune to embarrassment. And that is a very important
part here as we begin, as we sort of enter what I would call
the age of Loomer, which we are.Of course, you know, we're we're
about to enter it in in our chronology here, but we live
through it to this day. Yeah, So I had mentioned
something as being kind of protoloomering, sort of like the

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early, you know, I got a camera.We'll like, see what happens
when I just run up and put somebody, put it in somebody's
face and yell a bunch of questions at them.
But this starts to, like, reallydevelop, right?
So can somebody, either one of you, will, Jared, define for me
what loomering really is? Like, what is it?
She, she is the person who coinsit.

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Imagine, by the way, you just take your last name and turn it
into a verb. That's what Laura did.
Well, unlike holting, which is something something entirely
different that's not safe for work that we can't describe on
this podcast, loomering, as you noted, Mike is a Laura's last

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name turned into a verb. And where I remember seeing this
is when Laura kind of transitions on the tails of some
of the success she's had in getting attention with these
undercover stunts, starts to make herself more of a main

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character. So instead of going undercover
and secretly filming people, we have Laura Loomer as herself
interrupting events, what's called barnstorming, you know,
just like showing up at book talks or catching people on the
street. And, you know, some of them she

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is asking questions. Other times it's just her
holding a camera, screaming at the top of her lungs at people
that they are terrorists and andwhatever else.
So so that's kind of bloomering and it and you know, it's.
It was always a kick, right, because it would some of these
videos, you know, she we'll talkabout it later, but she, you

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know, she would go to something like the women's March and
she'd, you know, try to interrupt the speeches and be
like, they support terrorism. They do this whatever, they're
anti-Semitic and there's no journalism happening here.
She's just interrupting an event.
But then you know, she'd walk back and be like, damn, I guess
the Women's March got lumored today, bitch.

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And then you know her and her fans would go crazy for it.
They'd eat it up. But am I missing anything?
And she would post it online, right?
Of course, that was the other. Thing, yeah.
That's the final step. And a lot of these too.
I will also note this is at an era where a lot of right wing
influencers are using Periscope,which is a sense retired, you

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know, I guess side company feature on Twitter where you
could live broadcast these things.
So often times these loomer rains would happen in real time
or you know, the 10 second delayor whatever it takes to go to
the Internet. So not only were these
broadcasted, they were broadcasted live.
I forgot about that aspect of it.

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It would be like Laura lurking outside of Midtown Manhattan,
Barnes and Noble and being like,I'm going to get Kobe.
She'd be like, why'd you do it? Kobe books.
Like I, I guess her most famous loomer.
I mean, it's like it just falls naturally.
I mean her most Her initial, most famous loomering, of
course, was at Shakespeare in the Park.
Yeah, yeah. She does a couple of things

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before we get there though. Yeah, she participates in this
pretty big anti Muslim event that took place in New York City
in 2017 called the March AgainstSharia.
Again, the way she, you know, she is finagling for a way to
generate a headline, generate some controversy.

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And she does this by going to the Fearless Girl statue on Wall
Street, very iconic, you know, Manhattan sort of fixture.
It's been photographed 100 million times, whatever.
And she puts a burqa on it. She briefly works for Pam
Geller. Will, can you help me understand

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who Pam Geller is and if what was Laura doing for her, do you
know? Yeah, Laura was was or excuse
me, Pam Geller is a far right, specifically anti Muslim, very
pro Israel Blogger, sort of one of the first of the kind of
conservative bloggers. She if she writes a site called
Atlas Shrugs. And so that kind of gives you a
sense of where she's coming from.

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And and yeah, Laura was just blogging for her.
But but this is kind of the period where Laura is, you know,
we also have to keep in mind this is like a few years after
the ground 0 mosque. This kind of stuff like like
this is when like real, like there's still like a lot of anti
Muslims, like the idea that Obama's a secret Muslim.
You know, to some extent this iskind of dissipated in our
politics. But this is when like Laura was
clearly like seeing this very like anti Muslim laying.

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And she's sort of she's she's, she's learning at Pam Geller's
feet how to be like a, an Internet controversy person.
Also the anti Muslim lane in right wing politics at this time
was also very lucrative. I mean, you had places like the
David Horowitz Center and whatever, who would just
dispense gobs of money to peoplewho who got into this track.

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I just want to just quickly interject that the March against
Sharia had a number of extremists that were involved in
it across the country. I mean, I'm obviously, you know,
you can use safely call Laura anextremist based upon some of the
views that she's espoused. But I'm talking about people
like Billy Roper, you know, in Arkansas and like.
It was also. It.
Was also one of the first publicshowings of the Proud Boys.

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Yes, it was like a big step towards some of the stuff you
see in on January 6th where you had a lot of like regular Trump
supporters mixed in with with hate groups.
That was March for against Sharia.
So she puts a burqa on the Fearless Girls statue and a few

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days later starts working at Rebel Media, which is a Canadian
news publication. Like many things in mega media,
we've got, you know, foreign publications gunking it up.
Gunking it up for some reason. Why?
Why would I care what some random ass Canadians think about

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my politics? But anyway, Rebel Media at the
time was big. I beat a lot of big stars that
came out of sort of the first wave, first Trump
administration, people like Lauren Southern and stop, you
know, a lot of these people madepit stops at Rebel Media.
They were broadcasting on YouTube a lot and and some of

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their stuff would get quite a bit of play.
And she gets hired by Ezra Levant to be the US
correspondent for Rebel Media because they needed to fill that
spot after firing who, Mike, youremember who who used to be the
US correspondent for Rebel Media?

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Would would it be bumble Jack pozobic?
It's Bumble Jack Pozobic who hadwho lost his job.
We don't know This is why he lost his job, but something that
happened shortly before he lost his job was plagiarizing Jason
Kessler, the organizer of the United the Right White
supremacist rally in 2017. There was one other detail, of

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course, which we covered on the I believe we covered on the
first you know, who the hell is episode, which was Jack Pozoic.
I recommend people go back and listen to it.
It's it's very early posting through it, but it's a good
episode. Jack was also involved in the
campaign to bring hacked materials from the French

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elections to French, you know, voters through Twitter.
That which was heavily boosted by accounts that were in Russia
and Ezra Levant was not too pleased about that because I,
you know, there seemed to be a lot of concern about illegality.
He denied anything around that Ezra Levant, but I'm sure the

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attention was not particularly nice.
So Jack Pacific's out, Laura Loomer said.
She didn't stay very long, not more than two or three months,
and we'll talk about that in a second.
She's also joining alt right protest events.
You know, she's getting more a mesh, especially in the New York

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City scene of, of what's callingitself the alt right at that
time. And now we're at Shakespeare in
the Park. Here we go, here we go.
This is when This is 0AD when itall begins.
Yeah, yeah, we are. We are before the crucifixion
and now we've arrived. But Shakespeare in the Park I

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Where do we start with this? Yeah, so, so this is shortly
after Trump's elected and there's a staging of the
Shakespeare play Julius Caesar. And the role of Caesar is played
by a kind of a Trump stand in. So we we got a big old orange
Cheeto up on the stage. Very obvious, very kind of
hammed up Trump. And it's a little corny, I'll

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say. Yeah, I mean, it's not the most
subtle. And so then of course, because
of the play, he's going to get stabbed to death at at some
point. And gosh, Can you imagine doing
that these days? People go insane.
But but people did go somewhat insane at the time.
And so this was sort of a right wing cause celeb.
They were already very upset about this.
And then in this case, yeah. I mean, maybe you can pick it up

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from here, Jared or or Mike about, you know, sort of how
Laura intervenes. Yeah, I mean, Laura and Jack
Pozobic together sort of tandem crossover episode run the jewels
of of of dishes. They interrupt the play and they
start start screaming things. They call them Nazis.
They say you are all gobbles. Gobbles, right?

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Yeah, yeah. That's what Czech Pasovic says
is like, yeah, you're, you're, you're all he's trying to say.
You know, like Joseph Gerbles. Gerbles.
But he's saying like Gerbles, he's like.
Coming out as gerbils. Gerbils.
Laura, I think, actually makes it onto the stage and it's just
like she. Would you know she's got that
extra too? Violence against Trump

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supporters? The blood is on here.
Political violence against the right.
This is unacceptable. You cannot get all right.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to pause.
We're going to pause Security. This is violence.
Security please. You are all Gobbles.

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You are all Nazis like Joseph Gobbles.
This is Gobbles. You are.
All the stunt gets picked up. It lands her in appearance on
Sean Hannity show on Fox News. I mean, she really gets a lot of
attention from this and quite a bit of money.

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You know, it doesn't seem like much in the scale of things
today, but I imagine at that point in her career it was quite
a bit. She is profiled in The New
Yorker in a piece that is actually really good.
So she gets 20,000 new Twitter followers and $10,000 in

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donations for a legal defense fund.
But with this, Mike, maybe, maybe you could talk a little
bit about this. Yeah, I'm going to go into it a
little bit deeper in a bit, but I just want to just quickly say
that because Laura is Jewish andoutspoken Jewish and overlaps
heavily with the all right movement, which was not not

(30:35):
always anti-Semitic, but frequently anti-Semitic, right.
I think that's the important distinction is that it
overlapped heavily with a lot ofpro Trump people that were pro
pro Israel who wanted very racist things to happen to
immigrants. But we're pro Israel.
But there was a lot of vehemently anti-Semitic people.
And maybe the core of that movement was that as as

(30:58):
highlighted by the people who marched around in
Charlottesville yelling Jews will not replace us.
So these people did not like Laura in their company.
And Laura was very attracted to whatever was very edgy.
It seemed like she seemed to be wanting to be in the mix with
the people who were at the the real vanguard of the alt right,

(31:18):
and because she was close to them, that made her a target for
anti-Semitic harassment. Yeah.
I mean, this is this is obviously an issue that Laura's
going to face throughout, including what once she starts
hanging out with people like Nick Fuentes, is that, you know,
and and this is in particular, we're talking about this period
right before Charlottesville when there were there was a lot
more, I would say, intermixing than there would be in a few

(31:40):
years later between like hardcore Nazis and these people
who were, you know, what we might call the alt right and
then would later be called the alt, you know, the versus the
alt light people who were, you know, writing for Breitbart,
maybe less extreme. And so, so Laura, you know, as
both a woman and a, a Jewish woman is going to encounter a
lot of issues where she's tryingto hang out with these people
and they are not exactly they don't aren't thrilled to have

(32:02):
her support. Laura makes headlines again in
July. So there had been a book party
for Milo Yiannopoulos we've talked about a few times on this
show. Former Breitbart editor, did a
lot of legwork in mainstreaming the alt right, just very

(32:26):
intentional provocateur, that sort of thing.
So there's a book party in New York City.
Some people from the book party go to a bar afterward and
they're wearing their MAGA hats.And reportedly this starts a
pretty heated argument inside the bar that devolves into a

(32:47):
brawl. Giovanni Val, also known as Jovi
Val, who would end up going on to hang out with some really
hardcore neo Nazis, And I mean like cross burning neo Nazis.
Like what a strange, strange story, you know, strange arc he
had. But Jovi and Laura are involved

(33:10):
in this brawl, you know, end up getting roughed up.
Jovi much more than Laura, getting his face busted up,
needing stitches on his face. And Laura again get some
publicity by launching A fundraiser for her friend Jovi.
Jovi, I should point out, looks like the 4th trailer park boy.
If you ever see him, he he, he is really like an absolutely

(33:31):
comical vision to just lay your eyes on.
I haven't seen him around recently, but he used to be, you
know, as a New Yorker, you'd become familiar that he would be
at every single, you know, MAGA protest.
He would be right in the middle of it, you know, trying to get
busy with Antifa, getting stuff dumbed on them, etcetera.
This is a truly unique time and sort of New York conservatism,

(33:52):
you know, which obviously we would see, you know, reborn in a
couple different ways. But you know, this is like when
you know, Milo and Laura and Lucian Wintridge had the the art
gallery thing with the bathtub full of pig's blood.
You know, things the aesthetics were not good folks.
And and Jovi Val was a unique like, you know, this will be,

(34:13):
you know, your deep 5 episode 1000 because he's not a
particularly relevant character,but but I do think he's he's
certainly an interesting one. But this is this is yeah, this
is who Laura's hanging out with.And you can see as we will see a
lot of these people kind of fallto the wayside.
You know, who talked about the Rebel media anymore?
But you know, and people like Faith Goldie, Lauren Southern,
but we're going to see Laura has, you know, she goes beast

(34:37):
mode. She's not going to give up, you
know, and so she will continue to be to, to grow and grow.
August is a pretty active month for Laura there's a few points
here in the timeline. So something happens in August.
This, you know, alt right vanguard that Laura's hanging
around, tries to put on another rally in Charlottesville that

(34:59):
goes terribly wrong, horrifies the world, People die.
It's not good. So the you know what some people
would call the alt light? I always thought that was a
stupid term. But you know, the sort of MAGA
influencers who are like, well, Trump's in power.
This is my ticket here. I can't be associated with this

(35:22):
are scrambling to try to be like, well, we hate these people
too. These people are not what we're
about. And Laura Loomer makes a big
stink about, she says, getting achat room associated with the
neo Nazi blog The Daily Stormer shut down.
And there is a awesome Gateway Pundit headline that I'm going

(35:44):
to read slowly because I think it really kind of tells you what
the play is here. So from my boy Jim Hoft, Gateway
Pundit conservative Jewish female journalist Laura Bloomer
gets daily, daily swarm chat room hold out.

(36:04):
So I mean, 4 adjectives before her name.
Listen, listen folks, she's conservative and she's Jewish
and she's female and she's a journalist and she doesn't like
these Nazis. So it's very much like nothing
to see over here, guys. Trust me.
Nothing weird. It's been happening at the
Gateway Pundit. So I and also her claim of like,

(36:29):
being responsible for this DailyStormer chat room getting shut
down. I have no idea how true that may
or may not be. After Unite the Right, a lot of
tech companies were scrambling to figure out like how they
could just get the hell away from that movement as fast as
possible. But yeah.

(36:50):
So August, there's this tire slashing incident, which I don't
remember much about. Oh my gosh.
OK, yeah. So as soon as I opened up the
planning document for this episode, I control left for
tire. And I was shocked to find that
it was not in here. And so I'm so glad you guys had
me on because it would have beentruly irresponsible not to
mention this. So yeah.
So basically this is this is in some ways sort of like a Laura

(37:11):
Loomer mainstream moment. Like this is, is when she
becomes, you know, gets a littlebit of like kind of like non
politics people laughing about her.
But like she posts a picture. This is again, you know, there's
a lot of talk about like what's Antifa doing?
You know, the the Joby Val incident.
There's this sense that like Antifa is out to get these right
wing personalities. And so she posts on Twitter that

(37:32):
she she had a flat tire and she was.
So she posts, Oh my goodness, you know, Antifa slashed my
tire. And then people are saying, I
don't know, Laura, I don't know if you really rate the Antifa
slashing squads attention. And then they start pointing out
that in fact, if you looked at the picture, it looks like more
like her tire had dry rot. So you know she hadn't.

(37:52):
Been. I remember this now.
Oh my God, it's like she hadn't been taken from the back of my
brain. It's the most like deteriorated
tire you could imagine and it's flat.
And so and so she's like, you know, and even Republicans were
were saying, I don't know, that looks like dry rot to me.
And then she on Twitter, she posts the immortal line.
Basically, she says, I'm so sickof these other right wing media

(38:13):
figures. And that actually is important.
I mean, that's something we'll see over and over is how she how
she's so sick of everyone on herside ideologically.
And then she says the phrase, they won't defend me and my
tire. And she that was what it was all
about, was that they had, you know, they disrespected her
tire. Not getting my wheels aligned
for six years and look what Antifa did to my tire.

(38:37):
Yeah, I mean, so I, you know, people who are listening to this
might feel like we're racking onLaura a lot, but I just want to
make clear the official stance of the posting through a podcast
is that we do stand with Laura'stire, not with her, but but.
I've had dry rod, it's really annoying.
And your tires? Yeah, it's super good.
Too, Getting a tire change is soexpensive.

(39:01):
It's like it always costs more than you think it's going to.
I think it's a tire. How much could it be?
Is like $200. And you're like, what are you?
This is rubber, right? What are you?
So we stand with tires on this show.
Laura is still under consideration.
So also in August, 3 months after joining Rebel Media, she

(39:23):
leaves. And she explains it this way.
There were disagreements over how I could use my social media
and I just couldn't approve of that.
I wasn't willing to like, not tweet about anything besides
rebel stories because essentially then I wouldn't be
able to use my voice. So what it sounds like to me,

(39:46):
and I'm, you know, reading into this a little bit is that Laura
is humiliating herself online and Rebel Media is like you, you
like work for us, right? Can you, can you just like post
some more of our videos or like some, some articles?
I instead of your tire and and Laura Laura just could not had

(40:09):
to draw an ethical line, you know, and be like, no, this is I
have to maintain independent editorial independence on my
Twitter feed. The, the you know, Ezra Lavont
is a funny guy, the guy who's around the Rebel Media because
he's sort of seated a lot of these these characters.
But also he discovered that it'sreally hard to run a website
full of like famously abrasive right wing media personalities

(40:33):
like people like, again, Lauren Southern, Jack Pasovic, I
believe Faith Goldie at one point.
And so like, all of these peoplethen are just, I mean, in
fairness, he sounds like a bit of a tyrant, but they all then
come to just be like the notorious scumbag Ezra Lafond,
and then they all have really bad breakups with him.
Yeah. They lie down with dogs, you get
fleece, etcetera. I think we need to talk about

(40:58):
the infamous, infamous video. The pick up line heard round the
world. Big tits and and Ashkenazi IQ.
Who's going to cover that one? Do you want me to introduce who
Mike Ma is? Do you want me to talk about
Mike Ma? Mike Ma was this guy or is this
guy? He's still around.
He was kind of sort of blonde hair.

(41:19):
He'd he'd contributed a bit to Breitbart, if I recall, and
definitely edged closer, closer to the more hard edge of the alt
right certainly than Laura did probably at that time.
And he's kind of into sort of this like eco fascism.
He's sort of like, you know, or at least eco fascism light.
That's kind of like his brand and what he writes about.

(41:41):
And he's got a lot of like pseudo intellectual things that
he's published, poetry, like music, whatever else.
Yeah, it's it's it's like the daily Stormer is like hardcore.
You just want to read Andrew Anglin like scream about choose
and use the N word like 300 times in a 500 word blog post.

(42:02):
Whereas Mike Ma is sort of of the same tradition, but yeah,
sort of pseudo intellectual pseudo.
It's almost like. He's pretentious.
He's like one of the most pretentious people who have come
across like he. He thinks he's like some kind of
like deep philosopher. It's, it's, well, it's, it's
kind of that. And then it's also, it just

(42:24):
reminds me of like Tumblr Blogger teenager, right?
Like doing a performance of being deep and being obtuse and
vague and like as if it it's like he's a.
Performative male as as we say now.
Yeah. Well, he was in a bar.
He was in a bar with Laura and Laura appears on the video to be

(42:48):
intoxicated. I have no evidence of that, but
that's just my read of it. If Laura disagrees with that,
she can, you know, call up and, and give us a we'll make an
update in the next. Podcast but well I for her sake
I hope she was intoxicated. This clip is much more
embarrassing if she's sober. Can you run the clip chair your?
Eyes look so good. You're like, beautiful.

(43:09):
Thank you. Like an Aryan degenerate
goddess. Thank you, love it.
Thank you. Thank you too.
I know I'm Jewish, it's okay notyou hate me, all right?
People want to put me in a gas chamber.
I don't. I think they're just meming on
you, but it's. OK, they're just jealous because

(43:30):
they have big tits and an Ashkenazi IQ.
Yes, that's what it. Is you got it.
I'm going to tell you a secret, like, you know so many people in
this movement who preach satellite for like fucking
people on the side and like cheating on their partners.
That's. So.
Bad. They're not.
Even it's big tits Ashkenazi IQ.That's your first pick up line
to a white supremacist. Well, and the other thing to

(43:50):
foreground here is that, you know, Mike Ma is this very is
like a tall blonde guy. He looks like a like a Nazi
stormtrooper or something. And you have you have Laura just
sort of throwing herself at him.And when I first saw this video
back in the day, I was like, this has to be fake.
I mean, it's so it's so it's such a dark room.
And I was like, this can't be Laura Loomer because it is such
a it's, it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing for a public

(44:12):
figure to have this video followyou around.
And it has really kind of followed her around for years
and years. And in part because it it it
does hit this, this kind of cruxof her problem, which is she
wants to be part of this really far right movement that hates
Jews and hates women. And yes, she's kind of like just
trying to fit in with the guys. So that clip is, in my eyes,

(44:33):
undeniably hilarious. It is just, it is just so funny
and embarrassing. I mean, what a pick up line, but
there's also kind of a darker side of this that it is coming
up around this time. Will you have something in our
dock here about Gavin Wax who would go on to lead kind of the

(44:55):
big young Republicans club in New York?
And I think he works in the Trump administration now kind of
became a big figure around this time is still kind of up and
coming. But he says something about
Laura Loomer sort of around the time of this video of her
hitting on Mike Ma. What?
What went on there? Yeah, so I mean, this was like

(45:17):
around the Mike Ma thing. And and you have Gavin Wax,
who's again, one of these kind of right wing New York figures.
And he basically says, like essentially accuses Laura of
stalking him and says we all know Laura's been stalking me.
That, you know, she wanted to goon a date and that she kept
calling me up from these different numbers or what have
you. And this this becomes its own
kind of like right wing media story.
And so there's this idea, idea that Laura is, you know, it is

(45:41):
again, like in the Mike mock clip, that she's really
desperate to hang out with this crowd.
And I'll just say around the same time, I'm not going to get
too into it, but I had been hearing rumors around this time
and on a couple occasions in theyears that would follow from,
from sources I had in mega medialand that Laura was, was also

(46:07):
just kind of very aggressively pursuing, sometimes seemingly
sexually, some of the figures inthe movement and that it had
made some of them pretty uncomfortable.
There's other things attached tothat.
But I also just have to be clear, there was a point where I

(46:28):
tried to report out this story. I could not get people on the
record. It's embarrassing for them, of
course. I mean, there's a lot of reasons
people wouldn't want to go on the record about that kind of
thing. So I could never land it.
So I have to just say that thesewere rumors I was told by and
looked into, but some of the stories I heard were pretty
gross. I don't know, just and again,

(46:50):
I'll just have to leave it at that.
But it kind of in a way, I thinkmaybe if there's any truth to
them, suggest that maybe Gavin was not alone in in getting
advances or alleged advances from Laura as she's, like you
said, will really trying to likeget in with this club and get
validation from some of the men in this.

(47:12):
She's thirsty. Thirsty.
Yeah. Sum it up.
This year she also starts getting plastic surgery,
starting with a nose job, which is not something we would
normally cover for somebody on aWho the Hell Is episode.
But. But we have to mention it
because it has become part of Laura's story of of the how she

(47:36):
is antagonized online by her critics on the right and left,
like every Laura Loomer post shemakes on Twitter.
You can try this at home folks. Click it, go to the replies.
Eventually you will encounter a post of her face next to Jigsaw
from the Saw movies. You don't know me, but why don't

(48:02):
you? I want to play a game it is just
part of. Like the way critics have gone
after her is by noting that, youknow, it started with this nose
shot. But over the years, she would
just get more and more and more plastic surgery, it would seem,
Will You wrote in the document. She's so devoted to her work,
though, that she gets the cast taken off from a nose job so she

(48:26):
can go sneak into a Hillary Clinton event.
Yeah, I mean, this is, you know,this is AII can sense the
awkwardness in in the Riverside here, but but but you know, I'll
note that. I mean, this is a this is a
major part of the Laura Loomer story.
And I think part of her online profile is because of the
plastic surgery and, and becauseof her perhaps shifting
appearance at times. And, and so the, the, the key

(48:49):
part, yeah, I believe in her memoir, she talks about when
she's working for James O'Keefe,she says, you know, I got a nose
job. And then they said, you know,
keep these bandages on. But she was like, she, she,
she's traversing the country, infiltrating different Hillary
Clinton events and like constantly dyeing her hair.
Her hair gets really fried because she's constantly dyeing
it. So there's another kind of like
changing appearance aspect and sort of a motif.

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And then it was like 1 battle after another.
She's like kind of going, you know, she, she has video aliases
And, and then at one point she, she they're, they're like, OK,
you got to keep the cast on for let's say a week And she's like,
but there's a Hillary Clinton event in four days.
They're like, don't do it, Laura.
And she like rips it off and she's like, I, I can't just
infiltrate. They're going to recognize me of
every, everywhere I go. I'm wearing a nose.

(49:32):
Cast. A little sad, a little sad, but
also, I think, you know, revealing of how aggressively
she focuses on her appearance, the way people the the, the way
people perceive her in the public.
I mean, she's really, really obsessed with it.
Around this time, she gets banned from Twitter.

(49:54):
No, no, no, she's not banned from Twitter yet.
What Twitter does after getting a bunch of Flack is they take a
look at who's got the blue checkMarks and they start taking blue
checkmarks. OK.
So she was in a crowd that included Richard Spencer, I
believe there was like 3 or 4 primary people and she was one

(50:14):
of them that they stripped the, the, the check from.
And then for a while it became part of her identity.
That's right. Thank you, Jared.
It became part of her identity that she wanted her check mark
back. Yeah.
And this had happened after there was like a terror attack
in New York City. And she went on this like, you
know, crazy rant about Muslim Uber and Lyft drivers and truly

(50:37):
unhinged, unhinged stuff. So, so that happened like
shortly before this, right? So, so she loses the blue check
mark and I, I want to just read a couple things that Laura
posted after losing her blue check mark.

(50:58):
And when I read this, I just again, I want to stress she
would get banned from Twitter later, but she's still on
Twitter. She still has all her followers.
She just does not have the coveted little blue check mark
next to her name. She says this.
Let's see, using those who don'tworship Twitter's liberal

(51:18):
dictator and implementing procedures to annihilate
conservatives from the Internet.Sounds like Twitter is carrying
out its own final solution for conservatives.
She's comparing it to the Holocaust.
If that's not clear to people, she there's another one she
posted and said. And so it begins.

(51:40):
Twitter is quick to call me and others Nazis, but they are
literally trying to eradicate mypresence, just like Hitler.
Yeah, well, I mean, at least she.
Kept them in perspective. Yeah, I mean, it is funny to
imagine that like the world where #1 Twitter would be just

(52:00):
be carefully like, you've been alittle naughty.
We're not going to ban you, but we are going to take away your
check mark. And then also like I, I do
remember this would drive Laura and there were a couple other
people who would lose their check marks over time.
This would drive them absolutelyinsane.
And they were, you know, it's this little, little tap on the
wrist that they did not like. So it's November.

(52:23):
Right around November is the fall of 2017 and it's right
right around this time of year and I believe will.
You are a Daily Beast, Jared. You're doing right wing watch I
was at. Newsweek and WE.
All remember the Vegas shooting with Stephen Paddock, who's like
a 68 year old man. He's an older, older guy.

(52:46):
Horrible situation unleashed just a a storm of bullets on
people down below from his hotelroom at a country music show.
I guess it was a country music festival or a show and 61 people
died. I think there's like 800
something injuries, maybe 400 orso of those were from shrapnel

(53:09):
or bullets. The rest were all from the
trampling from the from the. It was really, really
disturbing. One thing about it is most of
the victims were white because it was a country music show and
those are the demographics. And right away on the right, a
lot of different outlets on the right, including Infowars and

(53:33):
whatever, tried to make it out as if this were Antifa.
Now, we covered the Antifa stuffwith Chris Matthias on an
episode a couple, couple weeks back.
I recommend everybody go back and listen to that.
We, I think we mentioned the Vegas shooting as one of the
disinfo things around Antifa. But Laura Loomer became the
ultimate Las Vegas shooting truther, I believe.

(53:55):
I mean, she really would not letthe story go.
She decided that there was definitely something there and
she got, I think she travelled to Las Vegas.
I mean, there was a lot of I wasgoing to say she took it a step
further, right? Which is, again, something
that's going to keep coming up. A theme about Laura is where a
lot of people will post and write stories and stuff.
Laura, it will take stories or take narratives and force them

(54:22):
into reality by actually traveling to go do things and
filming herself filming the people targeted by them.
And she goes to Las Vegas and is, you know, heckling the the
Police Department. And her big thing is that
there's some kind of cover up happening regarding this
shooting. There's something that the

(54:44):
police aren't telling us. Will, do you remember much about
this? I, I feel like I vaguely
remember, you know where a lot of right wing media, like Mike
said, the Infowars of the world,we're trying to say that this
was antifa. Somehow Laura shows up and and
starts taking another track by trying to claim that this 68

(55:06):
year old man who, who committed this atrocity was somehow like
Muslim Brotherhood. Yeah, so.
So Laura's angle, you know, she's kind of.
Drawing from her, her old well here and saying, you know, this
is this was ISIS or this guy wassomehow mixed up with the
Saudis. I mean, either way, she's saying
it's a, it's a Muslim thing. I, I think you're right that

(55:27):
Muslim Brotherhood was involved.And you know, the thing I would
add here is she does so well with this that one of the local
Las Vegas TV stations wants to hire her as a reporter and the
general manager, this kind of embattled general manager is
like, I'm going to, you know, forget these regular reporters.
I'm going to bring in Laura. And I think it was like a lot
like a kind of ATV industry trade publication was like

(55:49):
Laura's in talks to join this Las Vegas local station as as
like a staff reporter and then like the staff just ride and and
and and cost her this job and inin.
Her memoir. She talks about just like they
weren't ready for my truth about, you know, the, the ISIS
plot. Yeah.
Yeah. They weren't ready for it.
Yeah. It's like when a when.

(56:13):
A You know, rappers. Have like an album listening
party and they're like yelling ready for this.
You know, people said, people said my album suck, but there's
the world's just not ready for it.
Yeah. I'd like to emphasize also to
the audience that his name is Steven.
Paddock and he's a 60 year old white guy.
I mean, that doesn't mean he can't be working for the.
Saudis. Of course he could in theory,

(56:36):
but I mean this, there was no evidence to support that this
guy was anything other than maniacal and disturbed.
Yeah, I mean, Laura's whole tactic there.
And it would be a tactic that she, you know, continues to use
is to just say it was this. And then when people are like,

(56:56):
you have no evidence of that, there's nothing that suggests it
would do that She'd be like, well, prove it.
And when there when people are like, how do I prove it was not
something? That's when she disappears, like
Tim Robinson in the hot dog. Costume.
Yeah, well, Mike. It's around this time.
You actually have a personal story about Laura Loomer.

(57:18):
Yeah, so I feel like. You know, at this time with what
we, we were all covering, I was generally covering a Newsweek,
what I described, I guess the harder edge of the MAGA
movement, like the more the, the, the, the one that
overlapped more with, you know, explicit neo Nazi material.
I was covering that really closely at the time.

(57:39):
Of course it's all overlapped because they were all in the
same suit. But when I went there, I was
really focused. I've, I've mentioned on other
episodes on, you know, tracking down some of the people who
helped create that chaos in Charlottesville who may not have
driven the car that James Alex Fields did, but help stir the

(58:02):
environment in such a way. And obviously, I was really
focused for that reason on DailyStormer because they were
really, really responsible for sending a message that people
should embrace violence at that event.
And so I was looking for storiesabout Daily Stormer.
I was looking for ways I could, you know, impact them.
You know, I was really wanted, but, you know, not, you know,

(58:25):
nothing beyond the truth, but for with an activist bent of
just, you know, trying to exposethis website, how it worked,
what was going on. And Laura Loomer saw me doing
that and connected with me because she was very interested
in Daily Stormer as well. And she told me to meet her as a
source at a talk for Pam Geller,who we spoke about recently.

(58:48):
And I went to this event. That's the first time I ever met
Chris Mathias. And I was sitting there with
Laura Loomer, you know, as as Pam Geller gave her talk and I
he's like, hey, you're you're Mike Hayden from.
Online, I was like, yeah. He's like, hey, man, is that
Laura Loomer with you? And I was like.

(59:09):
Yes, it is. I don't think I really I, you
know, I came into this later foryou.
I was I was doing like more general news at ABC before I
came to saw so that, you know, Iwas I was picking up the beat as
it went along. I didn't realize exactly that
her full history. I knew that she was a little,
you know, we had a reputation. And so I was waiting for her,
waiting for her to finish. Very diva thing.

(59:32):
She was waiting for Pam Geller to conference with her and all
this. I was waiting, waiting, waiting.
And then she's like, OK, let's talk, come and get take a cab
ride with me. And I said OK, and so I get in.
The cab. You know, the first cab and she
didn't like the cab driver and she said something about him
that was not very polite. And of course, you know, I'm,
you know, mixed Arab. And so I was like, is that have

(59:55):
a thing to it? I was just let me ride this out.
I didn't. I didn't want to interrogate the
way she talked about him. Get into the next cab we take a
cab ride down. She's she's absolutely sweet as
apple pie, very nice. And she really did give me a lot
of information about daily Stormer.
I mean, like really, really useful information that she
gathered herself and sat on for me to follow reporting that

(01:00:18):
later turned into, you know, or material that later turned into
reporting that did have a reallynegative impact on Daily
Stormer, really impacted Andrew.We've Ornheimer in particular.
She stressed to me that we've was Jewish and I was like, no,
he has a swastika tattooed on his chest.
But later his mother told me that he had Jewish heritage on

(01:00:40):
both sides of his family. At any rate, you know, we're in
the car, we're talking so friendly and she's like, we, you
know, we need to talk some more,you know, blah, blah, blah.
And then she's like, unfortunately I have to leave.
I got to go loomer Hillary Clinton and she just gets out of
the cab so. Did she say that?

(01:01:02):
I have to go loomer. Hillary, that's what she said.
So of course. And.
So. You know.
I, I, I had to say, I found it very charming, even though I, I,
I understood her to be really toxic.
You get you, you, you get a, a different taste of these people
when you get to meet them. And it's always nice when

(01:01:23):
someone isn't like, you know, constantly trying to, you know,
make fun of you in subtle ways or trying to like get on your
skin. She was very friendly while she
was giving me the information. And then she's like, you know,
come, come, I'm going to go Loomer Linder Sarsour, who is a
pro Palestinian activist. And like the you know,
immediately I was like, you know, I was like, OK, because

(01:01:47):
this like is really going to go against everything in my soul.
But like, I'm like, OK, well, ifthere's more information, I'll
go. And she was creating a like a
like a a mess outside of that event.
The whole time she was, I don't know, I can't remember.
She had an Israel flag with her or somebody in in her, you know,
in the counter protester or the protesters there had that.

(01:02:09):
And at that event, she told me in very, like, very, very
personal way that how badly she had been harassed by white
nationalists. And she mentioned like, all
this, like very, you know, graphic, horrific, I think
bordering on, you know, boring on sexual stalking even.

(01:02:32):
But it will like, with a really negative mean thing.
And I actually really felt for her when she was talking about
it. And one person she mentioned in
particular who would like repeatedly called her and
harassed her was Millennial Matt.
Does anybody remember that guy? Matt Colligan?
Matt Colligan was a guy. From Boston.
Who ended up showing up at the Charlottesville event.

(01:02:56):
He went out to Idaho. There are people of who have
insinuated later that he's a, a federal informant.
I don't know. I don't know.
Wherever Matt millennial Matt is, he sort of disappeared after
those rumors, But you know, I started to feel bad for her and
I actually, you know, on her behalf, like, you know, just to
kind of look into it, some of the things that happened called

(01:03:17):
millennial Matt and he was so defensive and angry and all
these things. And I, and I will tell you like
very naively, I, I was like, it doesn't matter what Laura Loomer
is and has done or what she represents.
I mean, she's a human being. Like this abuse is like
horrific. And she mentioned also that
there was like this contest about who could put her in gas

(01:03:38):
chambers and like whatever. And they were bombarding or with
pictures of that. I just mentioned that not to,
you know, humanize her like, youknow, in an over the top way,
but in a way that I say that I, when I heard about that stuff, I
genuinely felt something for herbecause it sounded like she had
really, really gone through it and that we can talk about it

(01:04:00):
later. But but our friendly
relationship didn't last long because of the gorilla Mike
situation. Now we're in 2018.
The gorilla Mike situation this so we, I.
I don't even. Know where to start with this

(01:04:21):
one? But it all revolved around a
blog post published by Bernard Media, which was a sort of quasi
informative, you know, half informative, half satirical,
100% trolling, You know, I think, I think it's important.

(01:04:43):
To point out that Nathan. Nathan is was really good
friends with Victoria Burger, who does who currently does the
sound board for Tim Heidecker and his podcast and was a a
absolutely cutthroat video editor, one of the main works of
art with Trump's speeches and and everything else.
Yeah. So Bernard?

(01:05:05):
Media post a story alleging thatthey're they're investigating
the potential existence of a sextape between Laura Loomer and
Mike Cernovich. And to explain what this was, we

(01:05:27):
actually talked to Nathan Bernard.
He'll come back later, but here's a clip from our interview
with him. All right, Nathan, we know you
very well. And we spent a lot of time
talking for years, still do. And just let everybody know kind

(01:05:48):
of where you were during the first Trump administration in
terms of the far right and what you were doing.
I guess I had started. Following a couple of figures in
the far right, primarily weird Mike Cernovich Baked Alaska now
of January 6th fame. So I started following some of

(01:06:11):
the figures in that orbit, which, you know, kind of
overlapped with some comedy stuff that I'm a big fan of.
Tim and Eric and Victoria Berger.
They had kind of started wading into some of this as well, which
kind of pulled my interest in that direction.
And a lot of these people were starting to do live streams that
we were clipping for comedic reasons.

(01:06:34):
They were getting pretty, prettyactive online.
They're popping off dude. I I.
I, you know, spilt by guts laughing over so many of those.
It was such a huge release for me in those years of just like I
have to write a serious story about Mike Cernovich and then I
can also watch him be like gorilla mine.

(01:06:59):
You know, yeah. They I think actually.
Jared, we met, I want to say because of milk leaks, which was
the of archive website for bakedAlaska's just ridiculous cell
phones. So I think that's how we
initially got in contact Cernovich leaks, milk leaks,

(01:07:19):
which kind of became these archive websites of these people
just absolutely destroying themselves.
Just a lot of cringe. But yeah, that that kind of
morphed into Bernard Media, which was a more active, maybe
aggressive attack on the far right with using a bit of comedy

(01:07:41):
still turning their words on them, but ended up getting some
monster scoops. BM is what we would call it.
Yeah, yeah, there's some some monster BM's.
That came out to shoot there andthey were.
They were stored up for. A while and.
They just they started coming. They started coming pretty
regularly. Actually, we got to a pretty

(01:08:02):
regular point with the that's good.
I mean you. You.
Don't. You can't.
Have too many BMS backed up? You start to feel like sick and
anxious. You you have to get that out.
Yeah, no, you need, you need regularity for health.
Like if if you had regular BMS groups, I felt like things were
healing when that was happening.So there were there were these.

(01:08:25):
These things that I think we're,we're like sort of a cross
between journalism and comedy, Iguess is the best way for people
to understand them. And Laura Loomer became more and
more of an interest because she was one of the preeminent
influencers of her of her of that era.
And she remains incredibly powerful and popular.

(01:08:47):
Yeah, those early years, she wascoming up, she.
Was rising fast and as we've talked about on this episode
already, it's it's clear from the go, she's insane and she'll
believe anything and say anything and completely debase
herself in a way that other influencers like.

(01:09:08):
Part of why it was funny to makefun of Mike Cernovich is he took
himself so seriously. But Laura, it just would.
It was like, no, there was nothing she would not do to just
go for it. Yeah, yeah, she came into the
orbit. Through Cernovich, and
absolutely. She fancies herself an

(01:09:29):
investigative journalist, so in some ways she took herself
seriously. Not to the level of Cernovich,
but she was willing and still is.
She's eating dog food now, so atleast that's the last one of the
last times that I've checked in on her.
Yeah, OK. Well, she's she's quite.
Quite readily willing to debase herself in any way possible.

(01:09:52):
Still to get clicks and get attention.
And you know, she's certainly got Trump's attention.
She gives some national securityadvice or whatever she does now.
But she had kind of fallen into the crosshairs via Cernovich for
Bernard Media. And we had all, I feel like all
three of us, and it kind of covered her and looked at her

(01:10:16):
rise and people had, you know, seen her get banned from Uber
Eats or whatever. I got a big scoop for Bernard
Media, one of my first real big scoops that I kept stored up and
then just splattered. Let it all out on the world.
You made a wave. Well, how?
How? How?
What? Exactly.
Did you do what? Was the nature of, I guess the

(01:10:38):
prank. So the big scoop was I.
Had heard allegedly through a credible source that there could
be in the world allegedly a sex tape between Mike Cernovich and
Laura Loomer. And so I investigated the
existence of this sex tape and as things progressed I got in

(01:11:00):
touch with Laura. She blew her fuse.
I got in touch with Cernovich. His lawyer said if he had made a
sex tape, it was likely quite old material, but didn't deny
the existence of the potential tape.
And that was Mark Randazza. Damn, what a response, man.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if that even,

(01:11:20):
I mean that was. In that was a big part of the
article, but so Randazza didn't deny it.
He just said hey, something might be out there, but it it
would be old if it was yes so that that went all over the
Internet. I talked, that was my first time
talking to Laurie and D Ming with her, which just went off
the rails real quick. She said she was going to sue me
for defamation, sexual harassment, that she was going

(01:11:43):
to have me eating out of a dumpster in New York City where
I lived at the time for the restof my life.
So some quite flavored language that she tossed at me and I
guess a couple about a year later, BM, that scoop had become
old history and just lore on theInternet essentially.

(01:12:04):
It just kind of faded away into the ether of the Internet.
And I had gotten a profile in Rolling Stone kind of talking
about the tactics of BM and milkleaks and Cernovich leaks.
And is fighting fire with fire really a good thing?
Which I think now I should get ahat that says BM was right about
everything or something I think I think.

(01:12:28):
It's it's played, it's proved. Itself out right in some ways
that that was an effective tactic and probably still is
years later after that Rolling Stone piece runs.
Laura threw a fit about it because it mentioned the tape in
that story. She threatened to sue Rolling
Stone and many different outletsand eventually got the piece

(01:12:50):
pulled. Rolling Stone didn't want to
deal with it and they pulled my profile from Rolling Stone.
So my my free speech, the rug was pulled right out from under
me. So yes, that's that's a little
bit about like my first kind of interactions with Laura and
everything censored for alleged.Rumors censored for alleged

(01:13:11):
investigation. Into the truth.
What can you do? Censored for truth.
So Laura got like. Incensed, Mike Cernovich did,
too. I remember Mike Cernovich, Will
was like trying to call for The Daily Beast to fire you because

(01:13:33):
I was at the hill at the time. I mean The Daily Beast.
Would have fed that letter rightinto the shredder.
But yeah, Mike hired Mark Randazza, who's like a famous,
right, infamous, maybe right wing lawyer.
And I just got called into like the HR office.
This is so all I did. I tweeted Mike Cernovich's
lawyer says that no sex tape. I whatever fair enough.
It was true, and then also, you know as.

(01:13:56):
Nathan just described the statement that Mark Rendazza
gave. Nathan was like, if a sex tape
does exist, it's probably very old.
It's so bizarre. Like I just quoted whatever that
statement was. And then just by tweeting it and
then they sent a cease and desist to the hill.
And the hill was like every day.I had no stomach for this.

(01:14:17):
And they were just like, look atthe called in and I see Randazza
on this letterhead. And I was like, what?
And then they sort of slide thispicture over of like this blog
post. I go, uh oh.
And the, the guy who the rich guy who owned the hill was not
happy with me. And they, they thought, you
know, I, they didn't really understand the Internet.
They thought I had written the blog like that I was Nathan

(01:14:37):
Bernard or something. But I, I, I skated on that one.
But yes, everyone got in trouble, you know, over that
saga. Yeah.
So, Mike? Cernovich kind of a male
supremacist, like a men's rightsactivist who had who had flirted
with some of the all right stuffas well.
Really unusual figure in some ways kind of unhinged in his own

(01:15:00):
right. I remember very much trying to
chase the lead about whether this exact save existed for
Newsweek. And I remember specifically
texting Laura, whatever. It's like, I don't want to get
beat by Will Summer. That's why I'm asking so so
Laura is like gets gets on the phone with me and she is in the

(01:15:22):
in the interim between the the the last time I spoke about her
and now she's, you know, we've spoken fairly regularly about
certain things. You know, she's just on the
phone just telling me about her thoughts about right wing media
and certain things. And you know, just like with any
other person I would talk to at that time, I would, I would give
her a lot of time and it again, super friendly, remain very
friendly with me. I remember many times I'd be

(01:15:44):
like in my kitchen. All of a sudden, randomly I got
a phone call from Laura Loomer and I'm, you know, I'd pick it
up and talk to her. And that changed when I, when I
inquired about that, I was like,I look, I don't know, I don't
know anything about it may not be real.
Then that's fine that you just tell me that it's not real.
And she was like, she was like, if you publish anything about
this, I will go on to Twitter and I will say that you did like

(01:16:06):
XYZ horrible thing and I will make everybody know.
And I was like, you know, the implication that I would be like
me too or something. And I was like, so shocked.
I was like, shocked. I was so scared too, because she
has such a big following. It was like really threatening.
I remember being like, so scaredabout it.
And like, yeah, her tone completely changed.
And I, I kind of got saw the side of her personality that

(01:16:28):
probably in some ways has made her so successful in the sense
that, you know, she is when she wants to be like really
cutthroat, she can on a dime find that in herself.
Because she scared the absolute shit out of me when I asked.
And I asked Mike Sternovich about it and it was different.
And he he just kept texting me. I've got the Uber receipts.

(01:16:49):
I've got the Uber receipts. I was like, OK, I didn't say
you. Know I just asked.
Because it was a rumor, I just wanted to make sure that I
wasn't behind them. So yeah, that's my that's the
second of my story. When and and why I, I am really
cautious talking to Laura Loomernow.
It's just because I know her to be potentially volatile.
So we'll, we'll get back. And and Nathan will come back

(01:17:13):
in. We'll hear from him again
because he's involved with another sort of point on Laura's
career arc. A big thing happens in 2018,
which is that Laura Loomer is banned from Twitter and she's
banned for making some pretty pointed anti Muslim remarks

(01:17:35):
about Ilhan Omar, who is a politician from Minnesota.
She goes ballistic. What are they doing?
I want to know what people are actually.
Going to do my life is ruined. Does anybody understand how
ruined my life is? I'm sick of it.
I don't want to listen to peopletell me that I'm a conspiracy

(01:17:55):
theorist. They don't know what it's like
to be me. Life.
Life is ruined, Alex. No, I understand.
I just. Think this feels.
Like so long ago, but I just. I remember the photos she would
post of herself with like the duct tape over her mouth that
was like, I'm silenced for truth, I'm silenced for.

(01:18:15):
Truth. I think she had a shirt, right?
It was like a it was kind of like a Twitter.
Blue shirt with her face on it and the duct tape on it.
Twitter is her, like her. Platform, that is her primary
thing. I mean, she has like A blog
newsletter. You know what she's
experimenting with hundreds of thousands of followers as.

(01:18:36):
Well, which is why I was so scared of her.
You know, when she made that threat, she was really powerful
on Twitter. She could really drive
engagement. Yeah.
And and especially at this time.You know, Twitter is the heart
monitor that a lot of reporters are using too.
So this is like how she's getting attention, how she's
getting pick up on stories and that sort of thing.

(01:18:59):
So this is just just really, really throws her for a loop.
And she does something that has gone down in history as one of,
I think the most insane things that, you know, has ever.

(01:19:19):
It's impressive, it's impressive, it's impressive.
It's like. Sometimes you got to tap tip
your hat to some of these peopleand you just be like, all right,
that's wild. OK, so Laura goes to the.
Twitter headquarters the the bigTwitter office in New York City.
To protest her ban, she handcuffs herself.

(01:19:40):
Or or you know. Ties herself to the door.
There, she's wearing a armband, you know, the same kind of
armband that Nazis put on Jewishpeople and has a megaphone and
is hooting and hollering, doing something she, you know, already
did when she lost her blue checkmark, which is comparing her

(01:20:01):
band to the Holocaust, claiming that they're doing this because
she's Jewish and so on. Which I'll say like Laura brings
up. Her Jewishness a lot for
somebody who had describes himself you know at or at least
at some point described himself as an atheist Jewish person

(01:20:22):
leave that there will take us there Yeah.
So this is I think you had a. Good point here.
Which is that this is one of thecraziest things to happen.
You know, the Trump era hasn't been so great for our country,
but but it has given us certain very evocative moments, and this
is one of them. I mean, I think we have to lay
the groundwork here. I mean, the, and you hit on a
lot of this, Jared, but the, theeconomics of being Laura Loomer

(01:20:45):
and the, the sort of the whole point of being Laura Loomer is
that you have to get attention and you have to get more and
more attention constantly. And how, how much is that
attention going to cost you? And so when you're on Twitter,
it's very easy because you can tweet, you know, I Muslims
shouldn't be allowed to drive Ubers and people go, you know,
and you can have a cycle. All you have to do is send a

(01:21:06):
tweet. But when you're off of Twitter,
it it particularly, you know, back in 2018 or you had to it it
she has to start doing stunts. And so now we're entering the
stunt era and that is increasingly not only does it
have an expense, so she has to fly somewhere, whatever.
It's also a lot of times it's very off putting, even to people
on the right. It's very bizarre appearing.

(01:21:27):
I mean, I remember when she, I think she was banned from
Twitter, like right around Thanksgiving and I was on a
train to go have Thanksgiving with my in laws.
I was just on this Amtrak and then she called me and was just
like and she. Was screaming at me so.
Do you think you were the first person?
She called. I just texted her because I was

(01:21:49):
just like, whoa. Just thought you were banned
from Twitter. Okay.
And because for a moment I was thinking like something.
You know, horrible in her life has happened and she's like, I
have to talk to Will. I need will talk me off the
ledge Will. Where are.
You so. So she handcuffs herself to the
door of this. Twitter office building in New

(01:22:09):
York. And I think there was it was
either she wasn't banned from Periscope, weirdly enough, which
was part of Twitter because it or she she had a crony with her.
I think Doctor Jane Ruby, who's sort of a sometimes loomer
associate was there to film it. And again, this was one of these
things where she kind of announced she was going to do it
like 30 minutes before. And so I was just like locked
in. I can't believe it.

(01:22:31):
And then so she did it. And the crazy thing was she it
was like kind of like the policemade clear to her, we don't care
that much as long as you don't block access to the building.
So she only handcuffs herself to1 door.
So people are just kind of walking in and out.
And this this obviously becomes,I mean, this dragging on for
hours. And I think, I mean, it's
basically resolved more or less peacefully.
But she revealed something interesting I think in her

(01:22:53):
memoir, which is like there there's kind of like a scuffle.
There were like some people trying to stop her from locking
up the door and her assistant who was there gets his pinky
chopped off in the door. Oh my God, do you imagine not
having a full pinky? For the rest of your life and
you're explaining what happened when somebody's like, hey, what
do you know? You, you meet the partner of

(01:23:14):
your dreams. And they're like.
Hey, what happened to your pinky?
And you're like, Oh well. Laura Loomer had handcuffed
herself to the headquarters of Twitter.
And I got my finger stuck in whatever fucking door or
whatever happened and got my pinky off.
Yeah, it I I feel like what I. Sort of remember is I, I think

(01:23:38):
that Laura was like really hoping that, you know, somebody
from the company would come downand talk to her.
But it like the people that werein the office one it was at
night. So like presumably most of the
people that show up to work at the Twitter office are like at
home having dinner or something.So, and the people that are

(01:23:59):
there are, you know, seem to just be like, it was New York,
though. Yeah, it was like, yeah,
whatever, whatever, just it was New York.
Oh, she'll, she'll leave eventually, you know, it's New
York, right. So.
Jack Dorsey is not there. I mean, that's not, no, it's not
the main Twitter building. Yeah, it's yeah, we.

(01:24:20):
Keep saying. Headquarters because.
Like. Right wing.
Media was saying headquarters, but this is like a satellite
office. Yeah, yeah, I think that's the
largest one, but yeah, yeah. She's.
In New York, I mean. Jack Dorsey is probably.
In that office, in and out of that office maybe like once a
year, probably for some sort of thing when he's in New York.
I would can't imagine that. I think one thing that you're

(01:24:40):
you're missing though, is that Laura's, you know, her trade
really was about those trending topics on Twitter.
It's not just that she wanted tohave her Twitter account.
She wanted to trend, she wanted to trend and Loomerang was a way
to get her to trend and she would frequently succeed by with

(01:25:02):
these stunts. And so would Jack pozobic like
some of the stunts that he woulddo would get up there and people
would start talking about it. And right for instance, when
when when Jack did the like rapeMelania sign that would trend at
the top of Twitter and one way to guarantee.
That you're going to. Trend on Twitter is if Laura
Loomer herself handcuffs herselfto the door of Twitter and sure

(01:25:24):
enough, she succeeded she's like, this is, you know, one
more way to get in and I think that became her mindset it's
like how do I keep the trending topics, you know, around me and
my actions that doesn't matter what matters is our.
Free speech, like we need to protect our rights of free
speech. Facebook and Twitter are now the

(01:25:47):
digital the digital public squares.
Everything takes place on Facebook is here.
And you take the side one day that you're going to ban.
An entire group of people from the.
Internet because you don't like your.
Opinion So after she's banned from Twitter.
I mean, Laura is. Mad but.
It's like the stages of grief, right?

(01:26:07):
It's she. She gets through the anger phase
and then just gets very, very down about it.
There's a, a quote here that youput in the dock wheel.
Where does this quote come from?I, I got this.
I was working on a profile of Laura Loomer.
At the the Post and the Washington Post and basically a
friend of mine of hers sent me atext she had sent kind of

(01:26:30):
reflecting on the Twitter ban. And she describes her life as a
never ending funeral in the aftermath of the ban and which
is like pretty grim stuff. I mean, she does, you know, I'm
continuously grieving the loss of my potential.
A lingering cloud of what if questions you know, I mean, so
she's she's talking about like really like basically my life is
like could you if a friend of yours said my life is a never

(01:26:53):
ending funeral, you'd be like, oh boy, you know we we got to
intervene here. Yeah, you want to come over like
it's. This is like this is like the
Joy Division song Day of the Lords.
Where it's like, where will it end?
Where will it end? Sorry.
And so she so she enters. This universe.
Where she has to. Like kind of keep generating

(01:27:15):
this Twitter level attention butbut often with diminishing
returns. So one way she does.
This, and I can't remember if this is actually before or after
she's banned from Twitter, but there's a hearing on Capitol
Hill with Jack Dorsey, some other tech CE OS and she tries

(01:27:35):
to interrupt it, hooting and hollering about about Twitter
censorship supposedly. And this kind of got attention
because one of the people, one of the politicians leading this
hearing, I, I guess the story ishe is like a former auctioneer.

(01:27:59):
It it was Congressman Billy Longwho.
Just recently was the Trump commissioner of the IRS and
basically got pushed out becausehe like wasn't quite willing to
be as vicious as they wanted. But but at the time he got he
was a Republican congressman andhe was a he was also an
auctioneer. And so he starts going like like
1 to a 5050. There we go to the gentleman as
the as the security is taking her out.

(01:28:21):
And then Laura would later claimthat he was auctioning her off,
which it's not exactly what yeah, anyone want as a young
lady, not what was going on. This is so good.
I've got a. Play clip here.
It is. I can't understand what.
The election. That is, but she censoring in.
Shadow I don't have. It and 12 and a half 15.
Seven and a half, $20. Two and a half.

(01:28:41):
Seven and a half, 32 and a quarter.
Yep. 2 1/2 and a half three Ableto bomb 300 at 3 1/4 Cut 3 1/4
now. Half and a half 400 Laura's
continuing to to show up right she.
Doesn't have Twitter. She has to the cost of of this
attention. She's trying to get as much
higher. She gets thrown out of a court
hearing for yelling at the wife of the Pulse nightclub shooter.

(01:29:06):
Something I've read. I don't know much about that.
I feel like even in my mind, which it has way more, you know,
memories about Laura Loomer in it than anybody's brain should,
I had still forgotten about thatone.
Do you know what that was? I don't really.
I mean, you can see she's kind of in the wilderness.
At this point, you know, she's sort of like failing to to hit

(01:29:27):
the nail on the head and and like get people going.
I mean, obviously the chanting herself to Twitter headquarters
was, was like a beautiful bit ofperformance art.
But but, but after that, but I think she spent all her
inspiration on that. She's getting thrown out of
other events too. There was like a James comedy
book event at a Barnes and Noblein in New York City.

(01:29:48):
The next thing that happens, youknow, in her search for answers,
her search for meaning followingher Twitter ban.
Well, we've got Bernard Media coming in once again.
Laura Loomer goes to the press and the Wall Street Journal even
runs her claims and alleges thata Muslim advocacy group was

(01:30:15):
responsible for her Twitter ban.And you may wonder, well, where
did she get that? How did she come up with that?
Well, folks, Nathan. Bernard.
Who you heard from earlier, he was involved.
So here is the second part of our conversation with Nathan.

(01:30:39):
I guess the next really. Big kind of interaction that I
had with Laura was myself and a friend.
We had gotten a hold of Laura's phone number, and this was after
she got banned from Twitter and had locked herself to the doors
of Twitter. Just making a complete mockery

(01:31:00):
of herself. Speaks to what we had said
before. We'll do anything to debase
herself, to get attention. We get her phone number, She's
hot to find out who Bander and who is behind it.
We text her saying we're an employee from Twitter, that we
have sensitive information we could get.
Yeah, we could get. These.

(01:31:22):
Texts are wild also like these. Stupidest texts you could ever
imagine. There is not much thought going
into these. We say, hey, well, you know, not
many people in Twitter agree with our politics.
We're conservatives. We love your stuff.
We love what you're doing. We want to help you out.
We need your account back on Twitter.
Keep finding the good fight. If you're willing to talk to us,

(01:31:45):
reply wire, you know, with AY and you know, we got AY text
back. So yeah, I'd see.
You may remember. That.
Text. But then she thinks she has a
through line directly to Dorsey.We've said that we can get into
his office, that we have his calendars.
We talked to her for weeks. Looking back, it was extensive,

(01:32:07):
right? We made the calendar that had,
again, just the dumbest stuff imaginable on it.
I remember you showing it to me at the time and it was like.
I was like, well, this, this is this is actually very detailed.
Yeah, it would be like a 2 hour meditation session.
Followed by a meeting with Ben Shapiro.
I love that you remember that that's what I was going.
To that's. Exactly what I was going to say.

(01:32:28):
I love that so much. Yeah, I've, I every morning,
Jack Dorsey was locked in on hishis meditation routine for like
2 to 3 hours every morning. He's just carving out the time.
And then you, like you said, he's just going straight into a
meeting with Ben Shapiro. I think we have will we actually
put will Summer just anyone thatyou know, that she's got into a

(01:32:49):
fight with. We just put on the calendars,
threw it on there. And one of the people we put on
there was a guy from CARE, whichwas a Muslim, is a Muslim Rights
Act active advocacy group. And she was locked in on that
like she was, she had a narrative that she wanted to see

(01:33:11):
through. And we put that in there
thinking she could pick up on it, that it would prove
something of the sort of how thesausage is made with right wing
media. And she just went bananas, man.
After, after she saw the, the care guy's name on that, she
went to media outlets, includingthe Wall Street Journal, which

(01:33:34):
I, I wrote a story about it. I I.
Remember it I, The Wall Street Journal took Laura's claim that
she got from you guys who were pranking her and the Wall Street
Journal kind of just went with it.
And then when the Wall Street Journal went with it, right wing

(01:33:54):
media picked up and hyper fixated on that and it caused a
lot of trouble for care, which I, I, I know, But I, I would
appreciate kind of hearing your thoughts on on that now, just
because I, I know we've spoken in the past and, and you've

(01:34:17):
expressed some brief regret about that.
Because you know, on one hand, it does show just how the
sausage is made. Laura will just pick up
literally anything. And then if you can get anybody
to plug it, then all these outlets will come reinforce it.
And suddenly you've got your narrative right.

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But on the other hand, it went bananas for CARE.
I mean, I mean, she even sued CARE after I reported out the
prank, which is the craziest part to me.
She was pranked. I reported it out.
It embarrassed her. It embarrassed the Wall Street
Journal, and she didn't let it go.
She went on and sued the group. Yeah, I mean, so.

(01:35:03):
At the time, there is a bunch ofmedia stories after yours,
Jared, that just gave takes on the prank itself.
And one of them was a story, I want to say it was in Salon
maybe, and it was by a Muslim man.
And he the title of the story was something such as the

(01:35:25):
cruelty of a viral prank or something like that.
And I had a long, I mean, even in that moment, I just I had a
long multi day conversation withhim, the author of it
apologizing and also just telling him that it was not our
intention to create the sort of hardship for care that we did.

(01:35:48):
And I think, I mean, I couldn't say exactly how I felt the time.
I'm sure I felt guilt for sure just because of how it turned
out. And you know, that whole Rolling
Stone article had differing takes on it as well of is this
tactic of, you know, are you becoming the people that you

(01:36:10):
hate or whatever, or the things that you despise and stuff like
that. I mean, I didn't, I definitely
didn't love that. That was a way it was received
and I certainly felt guilt by it.
I definitely didn't feel good that you know it would then
turned into a lawsuit for care and you had already debunked

(01:36:32):
everything through your story. But to speak to that too Laura
and just everyone in this Trump orbit.
That's just the modus operandi is double down, triple down.
Never accept defeat, never accept your wrong, even if
there's texts from me coming outright saying, look, we pranked

(01:36:53):
you, this was all fake. She's going to double and triple
down and take it as far as she can in the courts, which she
ultimately did. I mean, I was asked by CARE when
she brought the first lawsuit inFlorida, suing them for whatever

(01:37:14):
it was, silencing or free speech, defamation, you name it.
Just throw in the book. Madam Kerr reached out to me and
asked if I would do affidavit sworn under the penalty of
perjury. I remember rereading that just
like that was a heavy thing. And yeah, I I signed everything.

(01:37:35):
And I put your story, Jared, as you know, my personal statement,
everything in the story is true.I stand by everything that was
said. It's a prank.
Kara had nothing to do with Laura Loomer's ban from Twitter.
This was created story by myselfand my pal.
There's no collusion with the Muslim Brotherhood to get her

(01:37:58):
taken off the bird app. No one's doing that.
He with her lawyer, I want to say, was Larry Clayman at the
time. It's just complete joke.
Joke of a lawyer. Yeah, just a complete fool.
Complete bozo. He they of course have no
grounds for anything in Florida.They lose the case in Florida.

(01:38:19):
They then appeal it to the US District Court.
The appeal it court, the 11th Circuit, which is covers, I want
to say Florida, Georgia, Alabama, all a bunch of southern
states. So it's a step away from the
Supreme Court, essentially, which looking back at that time

(01:38:43):
absolutely did not understand kind of where this was trending
towards just me being stupid. But I didn't, I didn't realize
the the court structure or how close it was to basically taking
the case to Kavanaugh or whatever.
You know, it's like crazy. But yeah, she lost the appeal,

(01:39:07):
of course, terribly. They just, I can't remember the
exact wording in the decision, but it was something along the
lines of this is just a fabrication of Laura's
imagination. And there's so much proof
pointing otherwise that this is clearly not true and this is a
waste of our time. As a result of that Laura lost

(01:39:29):
the case is still do owes care $120,000 was the decision as
well as any attorney fees. And from Carer's perspective
that in their press release for that they just said, you know,
we're happy to get back to focusing all we should be
focusing on and not having to divert any resources towards

(01:39:50):
this. So I don't know how I feel about
it now. I think it's no, no, no, it's,
it's wild because these people, I didn't expect these people to
still be relevant in any way, shape or form.
I didn't expect people to be talking about Laura Loomer
sucking off Trump or whatever. Like I thought.
I thought these things were kindof in the past, right?

(01:40:12):
I thought she would just kind offade into the horizon and be
forgotten about. She'd keep running for Congress
or whatever in Florida and trying to grift people.
But. It's it's alarming that she's
still around. And so looking back, I don't
know. I think it's, it speaks to kind
of the court system playing out in a positive way.

(01:40:34):
I think there's still hope that you can take things to the
courts and have positive resultsfrom them.
Will care ever see that money, though?
Who knows? Like, who knows?
Yeah, man, who knows. So I I just.
Want to say before we let. You go that having been around
and, and been in chats with you all the time back then and, and,

(01:40:54):
and these and these pranks, I know that your heart was
absolutely in the right place all the time.
You're you're fed up with this fascist movement growing in the
United States and you were looking for ways to blow up
steam about it. And also you did a really great
job at disarming these people. They were, they were often

(01:41:16):
befuddled by you big burger folks like that.
And I, I'm glad that it worked out that way because I know that
you're, like I said, your heart was really in the right place.
I feel, I can't say I feel too much.
Differently than I did then and like I said before, I think I'll
get that hat printed out. BM was right about everything

(01:41:36):
because now there's kind of a shift.
At the time, people were not so down with fighting in that sort
of way. But I think now people are
pressing lawmakers and the mediato be more combative and more
authentic and just say your thing, say your piece.
Don't be a robot, be a normal person, fight back, do something
interesting. So I think, yeah, I think it's

(01:41:58):
it's proved its point now. I think, yeah, get that hat
printed. Let's do it.
Posted PTIPTI merch right there PTIB.
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store for it. Nathan Bernard, thanks for
joining. All right, buddy.

(01:42:20):
Let's get back to who. The hell is Laura Loomer?
When I was. Young, obviously.
Like the fact. That care got roped into this
that that like of all the thingsthat Nathan and his friend were
feeding Laura, she really hyper fixated on care is is

(01:42:44):
unfortunate it caused a lot of trouble for that crew.
But I I do kind of think Nathan was successful in proving just
how credulous Laura is and how willing she is to say anything
that she thinks will be a compelling narrative that boost
that like validates her claims and also puts her at the center

(01:43:07):
of the story. Right.
Well, what I would add to that is now that.
We know that now. We know because at the time
everybody's like, we knew that we knew the way, right?
When journalism, you can feel itright.
But now, Now. We're we're, it's been.
Voted back into power, right? We're under this, this current
MAGA regime and, and it is a little disconcerting, you know,

(01:43:30):
but we, we, we not, not couple days ago we had a whole bunch of
these influencers talking about,you know, the menace of Antifa
and stuff like that. And it is a little scary to
think that, you know, there are people out there who are basing
life making life and death decisions for the rest of us
based on these influencers who have the same sort of mindset.

(01:43:51):
Oh, completely. I mean, you know the.
Did this was we saw this a lot in the first Trump
administration and now I think we're seeing it even more where
it's you can trace back. Why did why did they why did
Trump say this whatever. And then it's it's oh, there was
a tweet about it. There was.
And then, you know, it's completely fake.
But yeah, I think you're right on that, that at the time there
were people like Mike Cernovich were claiming, you know, I like

(01:44:12):
I'm I'm just as good, if not better than someone at CNN or
the New York Times. So Laura starts to.
Link up with Faith Goldie, who is a white nationalist, YouTube,
who also, as we mentioned earlier, did a stint at Rebel
News. That Canadian.

(01:44:32):
I don't even want to call it a news outlet.
Like Rebel Media's whole philosophy is that they are
participants in the news. So they go out, they provoke
people, whatever and outfit I mean.
Through and through. So Faith Goldie.
Tries and fails to win a election in Canada.

(01:44:55):
And it's it's well known, well documented.
I wrote a lot of these stories that Faith Goldie is a white
nationalist and and just echoes verbatim.
They're talking points about white homelands and, you know,
the great replacement and whatever.
Laura Loomer jumps in and tries to help out Faith and obviously

(01:45:18):
didn't do much for her. But yeah, you have I I just
think this episode was interesting because we start to
see the version of Laura who hadspent a lot of time trying to
figure out what to do about the fact the white nationalist
movement was targeting her and harassing her and bullying her.

(01:45:42):
You know, as we've talked about earlier, to kind of posturing
herself, like behind it, right, or or trying to position herself
as as within it. You know, it's she's always, I
don't know is she spent her her whole career.
Even today, I still don't get the sense that she really has

(01:46:05):
consistent feelings about it. It seemed like one week she'll
defend Nick Fuentes the next week she'll pivot around and be
like the gripers are grossly anti-Semitic and it's I I just
don't I don't know. What's your read?
I think Laura does not have so. Much of A consistent ideology as
she does about, you know, getting attention.

(01:46:27):
And, you know, I think she also wants friends to be frank, you
know, and I think she saw Faith Goldie as potentially a buddy.
And, you know, she, she clearly kind of courts these kind of
right wing media alliances, whether it's, you know, it's
finding Jack Vasovic to crash Shakespeare in the park with or
what have you. But but yeah, I mean, I, I think

(01:46:47):
fundamentally, like there is of course this, this disconnect and
this contradiction where she's again, you know, Jewish and
these people often hate Jews. But but I think she's willing
to, I mean, I, I think if, if I gave her the most credit, I
think she's willing to make sortof an alliance of convenience
with these people. She also does something else in
20. 18. Q Anon is popping off, starting

(01:47:09):
to starting to get some real play, get some real attention
from media. Shout out to Will Summer.
This is back when we could have we could have stopped the cabal
once. And for all this is what a lot
of people were were getting awakened.
This is like around the time. That you and I will.
We're writing pieces about Q Anon and we'd publish them and

(01:47:31):
people would like respond to us and be like, what the fuck's
wrong with you? Why?
Why are you writing about this? This is the stupidest shit I've
ever read. We were right, but too soon.
That's but but Laura, you know, I I don't know that Laura has
ever full throat gone Q Anon. But, but I I'm including this in

(01:47:52):
here just because I think it it,you know.
Again speaks. To her willingness to kind of
play footsies with anything or or her her real interest that
her guiding North Star is ensuring that she has as much
attention as possible. She criticized A reporter who

(01:48:14):
was working at the Daily Caller at the time who said something
like Q Anon stupid or whatever. And she she wrote people who
follow Q are mostly Trump supporters.
Millions of intelligent and everyday people follow Q.
These people are conservatives who want answers.
And then like soon after that, she would also post trust the

(01:48:37):
plan, which is Q Anon catch phrase.
I am I missing anything? Will I?
I mean, I feel like I don't think Laura ever really went
full tilt, but she certainly, you know, kind of seemed to the
argument she's making in these tweets.
It seems it's just like, Hey, listen, you might not get it,

(01:49:00):
but like, you know, hey, you believe in Q Anon Like you can,
you can be, you can be a loomer fan and believe in Q Anon.
Yeah, You know, this is really when when Q Anon was growing.
And there was this there were there were some other people
like this who would sort of particularly we have to keep in
mind Laura's career is kind of on the back foot at this point.
And, you know, people who would sort of signal like I'm cool

(01:49:22):
with Q Anon. I think, you know, you mentioned
the Daily Caller reporter. I think what was happening here,
this is a briefly kind of a funny back story.
Was Q Anon reporters really are,excuse me, Q Anon supporters
really wanted someone to ask Trump about Q Anon in a the
White House press briefing. And so they would say they would
deluge people like Maggie Haberman, all these people.
They would say ask the question,ask the question and I remember

(01:49:45):
you and I would be like, yes. Send us to the White House.
I'll ask him about it. Yeah, sure, I'll do it.
And I actually think this might have been sauger and.
Jetty when he was still at the Daily Caller and basically like
they would ask these particularly right wing
reporters who they saw as sympathetic to them, they would
be to say, why don't you just ask about Q Anon And these
people would understandably be like, I will come off like a
lunatic. And so there was this this kind

(01:50:05):
of intro right clash. And so you see Laura who doing
this thing where she's like, look, I'm more than happy to
have Q&L supporters that, you know, back me and donate to me.
So I'm going to say, look, they're just millions of
intelligent people and they justwant answers, you know,
parentheses left unsaid. You know, about the pedophile
dungeon under the the pizzeria. Oh man.

(01:50:29):
Laura starts working for Infowars during this year, and
one of the assignments she gets for Infowars is going to the
scene of the Parkland school shooting, which very, very high
profile school shooting that happened that year.

(01:50:50):
And like this Andy Hook shooting, like so many other
school shootings. What was the Infowars angle?
What was Laura doing in Parkland?
Yeah. So I mean, this is sort of a
classic, Laura. Loomer moment here where she's
she's going and kind of, you know, asking, you know, bizarre
questions at the press conference, kind of a replay of

(01:51:11):
of what she did in Las Vegas, you know, but you're right that
this was sort of when Laura having sort of lost her
provocateurs license by being banned from Twitter is now like,
OK, I'm going to get serious now.
I'm going to be a real, real reporter here for Alex Jones.
Yeah, yes. It would do well the the the
home of. Of quality.
Journalism. I just want to put something for

(01:51:33):
some. Greater context around this
time. So I believe Parklands like
February 2018 and Infowars starts to face a series of DE
platformings right around May. So any kind of shelter she would
have gotten from going to an outlet that had reach on social
media starts to slip away. I think it like the the Infowars

(01:51:57):
do platforming basically goes from May until August with
Twitter being the last to send them off.
Yeah, as as you're saying, well though.
Like, this is where kind of the next era of Loomer comes
through. So we have like, the undercover
Project Veritas Loomer. We have the, you know, caps lock

(01:52:19):
loomered era of Laura Loomer. And this is kind of like the
period in her career where she starts experimenting with this
idea of branding herself as an investigative reporter.
She comes up with another tagline, Illuminate the truth,
and the middle of Illuminate is Illuminate.

(01:52:42):
She's illuminating the truth andshe starts A blog.
She starts a media company, Little LLC, by the same name.
She has a she launches a websitefor Illuminate Media, which
includes great things like her Twitter stats and a tab called

(01:53:05):
Winter Specials that appeared tolink to nothing.
I like that she was going to produce.
So many that there would be a. Special sort of like Christmas
catalog. I think what happened is she.
Just used like a. WordPress template and just like
really half assed it. It's something else happened in
2018. We took this year out of order a

(01:53:26):
little bit, but there's an incident at the Hoover Dam
where. We're a.
Guy, you're gonna have to help me remember the details, Will,
but yeah, this is this is Barrick Case himself in his.
In a car. Oh, oh, where that it was a car?
Yeah. I mean basically it is a case.
File I'm very familiar with so basically this is Q Anon was

(01:53:49):
starting to face look I mean Laura did get AQ Anon Tran it
worked So basically what happensis Laura is trying or excuse me
this guy this is the time Q Anonis facing sort of a first wave
of disappointments and one of them is that this inspector
general's report is going to come out and blow the lid off of
the the Democrats Russia investigation how unfair it was

(01:54:10):
and then it comes out and it's it really fizzles and so instead
this guy who's AQ Anon believer he takes a sort of like DIY
armored truck and he parks it onthis bridge across the Hoover
Dam between I guess Arizona and Nevada or something Arizona and
California and he he he's kind of like aiming an AR15.

(01:54:33):
He has like some gun holes and he's holding up signs that say
like release the real OIG reportas though that that there's a
true one that's being held back.So he's ultimately there's
there's like B tracks. It's.
Like good shit's in there, the fire stuff, so.
Ultimately he's arrested and from prison.
He's so mad at his court appointed lawyer and he's saying

(01:54:53):
I he's writing these letters to the judge and he says I will not
communicate with my lawyer. I will only communicate by a
Laura Loomer, you know, the the famed journalist.
So it does appear that the sort of investigative reporter
branding is seeking in at least some maybe some lower tier
demographics. It worried I will own there's.
One stores I trust to tell my story.

(01:55:15):
Pretty. Eventful year in Loomer's in
Loomer's career. Lots of changes happening there,
so 2019 comes along. Tell me about the trespass at
Nancy Pelosi's house. Yeah.
So I mean this is, this is. Like kind of an often, often
sort of lost in the annals of Loomer Dome.
But, but I think that this really tells you a lot about
Laura. So she's doing these, she's off

(01:55:37):
of Twitter and she's doing thesestunts.
I think she's still on Periscopethough.
So we're getting a lot of like live streaming And she's so
basically what she does is she goes out to California and she
she tricks these undocumented immigrants.
She picks them up at a Home Depot and she says, you know,
come do some yard work for me. But instead they show up at she
leads them to Nancy, one of Nancy Pelosi's house houses and

(01:55:59):
Pelosi is gone at the time. But basically she starts they
start doing this kind of stunt. So they're they're I believe she
has sombreros. She starts doing a lot of like
showing up at at places in California and trespassing.
And I said to her, I was like, Laura, you know, the police are
going to get called here. These guys are undocumented.
They're going to they might get deported.
I mean, do you feel a little that it was a little unfair of

(01:56:21):
you to prick these people like this and kind of play with their
lies? And she said no.
So. So there you go.
She, you know, would. End up doing.
A similar thing at Gavin Newsom's house where, you know,
they show up and, you know, hop the wall and stage a little

(01:56:42):
stunt where people are wearing sombreros and fake mustaches.
What she was trying to capitalize on is that, you know,
this is at a time where the Trump administration is coming
under a lot of heat for child separations and stuff.
The immigration policies they were doing during the first

(01:57:03):
Trump administration, Californiahad sort of established itself
as a sanctuary state. So that's why she's in
California. So she loses that care lawsuit.
Mercifully, I mean like thank God, that would have like
absolutely perverted all sense of reality for me had had that

(01:57:26):
succeeded. She's banned from Facebook,
Instagram and labeled a dangerous individual.
I had mentioned Infowars but a lot of people were getting
deplatformed at that time. Became a huge issue obviously.
And Elon Musk taking over X. She gets banned from PayPal.

(01:57:46):
Well, that's your reporting. And she says that she has
$40,000 in credit card debt. Yeah, I I mean, we start to see
a lot of mentions. Of Laura's financial issues that
she's, I mean, she's, she's, she's trying to demonstrate how
her life has been ruined by de platforming.
And the other thing I would notehere is the Care Care lawsuit
comes with like something like at least $100,000 in legal fees
that it's ruled that she has to pay on Care's behalf.

(01:58:09):
She's actually currently, as we speak, still suing her own
lawyer in that case for legal malpractice, saying, you know,
you duped me into filing this case or, or not settling it
earlier. And he sort of says, I don't
know, you really wanted to file it.
And, and so, so, so these peoplelove to sue.
I mean, they say you know you. You have to like, for me, in my

(01:58:29):
mind, it's like, oh, to get to alawsuit place, it just got to be
a real issue. There's got to be something like
substantial, but these lawsuits just fly around.
Yeah. And she loves suing over D
platform, Yeah. Yeah, it seems like they just
use this like a stand in for a. Press release.
I mean, especially Larry Clayman.
When's the last time Larry Clayman won a lawsuit?
When's the last time he even went to trial?
I mean, it's so yeah, it's around this time that Laura

(01:58:55):
Loomer just starts suing a metric shit ton of people.
Publications. She's suing platforms.
The publication she's suing is just anybody who called her like
white supremacists or all right,because it led to her get NT
platform, that sort of thing. But again, I I think what you

(01:59:16):
said earlier Will is right. You know, she can't use Twitter
anymore to get attention. So she's having to go these sort
of more extreme routes. You know, she can't just like
post something crazy and get articles written or trend on the
on the site. She has to go to these really

(01:59:37):
extreme lengths to to attract that kind of attention.
She has to do increasingly extreme things and and at around
that same time one of the. Extreme things.
She attempts to disrupt the women's March.
She accuses the organizers of anti-Semitism.
And then we have Oh my God, oh, how do we even describe these

(01:59:58):
people? So Ali Alexander, Jacob Wall.
I'll take Ali Alexander. Someone else please explain
Jacob Walter, I'll tell you likeAli Alexander is a a political
operative. Also, Ali Akbar is his name and
he you may be familiar with him being the the kind of face of

(02:00:20):
the stop the steel movement thathelped, you know, spear on
January 6th. I don't want to go too deep into
him other than to say he's he's extraordinarily eccentric and
has some pretty shady things going on in his past that we
don't need to go on because it'snot his turn at The Who the hell
is and and who is Jacob Wall because this is a old cow.

(02:00:46):
Of years past I. Know RA it it took us.
This long to finally say the word.
LOL. Cow.
Yeah. Just very briefly.
Jacob Paul was this young man who would team up with a guy
named Jack Burkman in DC. And they would kind of concoct
often sort of sexual assault smears against Democrats or
Republicans who are opposed to Trump.
And they would dupe the most credulous people in history on

(02:01:09):
Craigslist to be like, we're filming ATV show about, you
know, it it it. It's House of Cards.
And I need you. We invented this figure named
Elizabeth Warren. So you need to hold this press
conference and it's all for ATV show and accuse her of many sex
crimes. And then only later with these
people discover that Elizabeth Warren's a real person and blah,
blah, blah. But anyways, I mean, this is I I
feel like for this episode, we should have a couple like audio

(02:01:31):
tags that go like loomer moment,real trap shit.
I mean, like this is one of the most iconic.
The trip to Minnesota is an iconic moment.
Do you remember like when way? Back in the day.
MTV used to. Have buzz clips right?
Like a track was like really, really banger like smells like
teen spirit was like one of the first like ones that was like

(02:01:51):
that went off as a buzz clip. This is this is like a Laura
Loomer buzz clip. This is like this is one of the
singles, you know, everyone bought this album, so so this is
another one that has like some kind of.
Mainstream crossover potential online, but basically the three
of them, they're obsessed with this idea that Ilhan Omar
married her brother, which is like total BSI looked into it.
It all comes from one anonymous forum post on like a

(02:02:14):
Minneapolis. It people deep into Minneapolis
lower or what have you like someone was like and she married
her brother and then it's all spun out from that.
But basically they travel around, they act like they're in
Mogadishu, that they're, they'rein like an air like an Uber.
And they're just like, yeah, it's crazy.
I think that car is following us.
Or they they put out this video as, as it says, I mean, they put
out a whole documentary, quote UN quote, where they're like in

(02:02:36):
an Airbnb and it's like, I thinksomeone's going to try and kill
us. Yeah, yeah.
Allie Alexander. Has like a bulletproof vest on
talking on speakerphone like pacing around.
Clearly an Airbnb of like is there?
Is there some scene where they go to?
Like knock on a door with like really dramatic music.
And it's like, and he's like, knock on the door and it's like,

(02:02:58):
hello, hello. I guess no.
One's here. Yeah, that's the climax of the
film, dude. Yeah, we're going to confront
Ilan Omar about marrying her. Brother.
And so they go to her district office and it's like a Saturday
or like, no one answers the door.
And then again, they go to Omar's house and there's just
like, OK, Laura's going up to the door.
OK, No one answered that. Well, I guess we'll go back

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home. Yeah.
And the whole stunt was that they were going to like.
Try to get her to sign a sworn affidavit that said she didn't
marry her brother, which I'm nota legal expert, but I don't
think you can just, like, present somebody a piece of
paper and be like, yeah, this isa sworn affidavit perjury trap,

(02:03:41):
don't you? Need like a notary.
For that or say, I don't know, whatever.
So despite all of this, Laura isreally starting to get treated
like a commodity in the Republican Party.
You know, she had kind of had her moment, you know, on Sean

(02:04:03):
Hannity. Rush Limbaugh, I remember, would
speak glowingly of her in the media circuit.
You know, a lot of big personalities really kind of
rallied behind her. I mean, she was a content
machine for them. You know, they got to feature
this crazy video that, you know,where somebody would go out and
scream at James Comedy the way all of their listeners

(02:04:26):
fantasized about. Like, you know, dude, if I was
there, if I was there, if I saw James Comedy, I would tell him
that he's a criminal. You know, it's like somebody's
doing it right. So they they loved Laura, but
she starts to get some support from like people with some real
power. Laura Loomer has an e-mail list.
I remember I reported out a story in 2019 about Jim Jordan

(02:04:49):
sending a fundraising pitch related to the the Trump
impeachment that happened that year using her e-mail list.
Which presumably means that Jim Jordan, one of the highest
profile, most powerful Republicans in the House, was
working openly with Laura Loomer.
Or is that people? You know the people that gobble

(02:05:12):
up Laura Loomer stuff. This can be perfect for me.
That year Laura also gets press credentials at C PAC.
Didn't last very long, but I think we were both there that
year. Well, I think she went after
both of us or. I know she went after me that
she was, you know, doing that. She was loomering people at C
PAC and that's just, you know, that's bad for the brand.

(02:05:35):
I mean, this was when C PAC was was seen.
They realized that they got moreattention by inviting the
mainstream media and and they were sort of like, look, you
know, a little heckling is fine,but, you know, she, she went
into the press pen, which is supposed to be the safe space
for the press, and she started yelling at Oliver Darcy.
Yeah. Been up CNN.
She. She.
Really. She.

(02:05:55):
Really had it out. For Oliver Darcy, they all did,
you know, for some reason they thought he was the, the like #1
reason Infowars got kicked off of everything.
So also Oliver. Is a person of color and I.
Don't you know, I think that can't be underrated.
Like he's one of the one of the few on the beat, right?
So I always thought there was there was that element really,

(02:06:18):
and why he was targeted certainly by figures like Alex
Jones. They pull her press.
Pass she's not very happy about.It during this time she's also,
you know, still just kind of experimenting, working around
trying to figure out some way tokeep the show the Laura Loomer
show go in. There was a publication called

(02:06:39):
the Jewish Voice, which had, according to some, you know,
employees I was talking to therewho were not down with Laura
Loomer had given her the login credentials for their Twitter
account. And you could kind of tell like
when it happened because the tweets from this publication
just, you know. I'll just say, you know I.

(02:07:02):
I think I could get, you know, apassing grade if you sat me down
and you're like, here's 2 tweets.
Which one did Laura Bloomer post?
She's also, you know, making a big stink about fundraising for
her independent journalism. This is I'm an indie reporter.
I can't use social media. The mainstream media hates me.

(02:07:23):
Everybody. Nobody likes me.
I need your support. And I'm banned from all these
platforms. You know, I can't use PayPal or
whatever. So the best way to help me out
is to send checks to this PO Box.
And I don't remember how I got this idea, but I decided to
Google the PO Box and figure out, you know, I was like,

(02:07:47):
what's up with this PO Box? I don't, I don't know.
And it turns out that PO Box wasfor a group called United W,
which is a just kind of boomer tear like anti Muslim hate
group. It's been logged by places like
SPLC and stuff. Laura was working with this

(02:08:09):
group but was very quiet about it.
Publicly. Which I thought was interesting
and as I looked into it, I mean,it's very clear she was on the
payroll of this anti Muslim group working like like doing
her independent journalism and then not disclosing the link or
that like money given to her wasgoing to this group who was, you

(02:08:30):
know, processing it. And I'm just going to play a
video real quick, in addition tojust doing the the anti Muslim
shit for this group, this one ofthose groups, it's like very
anti Muslim, but under the auspice of being like very pro
Israel, right? And there's video of her
shilling for a trip to Israel where you can join this group to

(02:08:54):
go check out the border wall. And I just think it's
interesting. I personally invite all.
Of you to come on a fact findingexpedition with me to Israel
from May 25th to June 4th 2019. We're going to be checking out
Israel's border security system.This includes walls, fences,
drones, tunnel technology, things that the Israelis have

(02:09:16):
developed in order to protect their borders and make sure that
their country is safe. For years now Israel has been
perfecting their systems. Where does Laura?
Loomer go from here. Guys, she.
Decides she's going to run for office because there's no other
way to really get back on Twitter so that becomes her main
thing right that becomes the main reason for her run for

(02:09:39):
Congress, which happens in Florida's 21st Congressional
District right because if you were an elected.
Official. Well, you could be on Twitter
and you would have a check mark.So it's like if I run for
office, they have to let me backon.
Yeah, it is incredible. I mean that that.
Sounds like a joke, Jared, but but it is true that so much of

(02:10:01):
her idea was I need to be back. You can let me back on Twitter.
You have to if I'm a politician.And so she chooses this this
Florida district represented by Democrat Lois Frankel, and she's
able to win the primary because if Republicans realize they will
lose this district and and and, and, and indeed, as we will

(02:10:21):
discover, that was the the rightassumption.
So I cynical, says campaign. Seems she's getting support from
some interesting figures. Lara Trump, Trump's
daughter-in-law campaigns with her.
She gets some praise from the GOP chair at the time who calls

(02:10:41):
her a rock star, and she's bankrolled by some interesting
people. She's getting money for some
some weird sort of right wing techie guys.
She also gets money. It's right in the middle of.
The COVID time and, and you know, that's the focus on
things. But actually Lydia Brimlow, who
is one of the heads of the whitenationalist group Videre, she

(02:11:05):
donates the maximum to Laura's campaign.
And so that is, I think, important to underline just
because white nationalists are willing to overlook her being
Jewish or they, you know, and inthe case of Videre, they're kind
of mixed on on that question. And fund her campaign.
So she wins the primary. Trump endorses her.
Roger Stone endorses her will. Does she win?

(02:11:28):
No. She loses by 22 points.
And she texts a friend somethinginteresting.
What does she? Yeah, so this is a another text
I got from a friend of hers. She said after she lost.
I feel like I, I feel as though I don't have purpose anymore and
don't exist again. This kind of like, you know, I

(02:11:48):
feel like Laura's always sort ofoutrunning this like incredibly
deep depression and, and sort ofthis oblivion.
And, and she she achieves it through like political attention
and or escapes it and and sort of success.
But because so much of what she does is stunt based, it often,
you know, ends in disaster. Musical Theater in Public and
Joy Division in. Private, yes, Yeah, it's a good

(02:12:09):
way to put it. So we're going to.
Fly through the next couple years 20. 21/20/22 What we're
seeing is a lot more of the same.
You know, Laura continues to tryto sue people.
She's trying to appeal these lawsuits when they fail, nothing
is working out. She is active on alternative
platforms, Telegram, Gab getter.Her branding at this point is

(02:12:33):
now that she's the most banned woman in the world and she
publishes A memoir with that title loomered, How I became the
most biggest woman in the world,20/22.
She runs again for office, this time in Florida's 11th
Congressional District, challenging the incumbent there,
Daniel Webster. That one, how's she doing that

(02:12:55):
one will well, she actually did a lot better, you know, because.
This, this is a conservative district.
So she had won the primary. She would have been sent to
Congress. And she only lost by 6000 votes
or 7% of the vote, which, you know, seems like a lot, but you
know, that's pretty darn close for a, a multi.
She's running against an incumbent longtime congressman

(02:13:15):
and, you know, really just barely lost there.
So that was one I was closely watching on election night.
And because her whole point was,I'm going to go to Congress and
I'm going to loom her Ilhan Omarfor real this time.
And I, I, I just couldn't have imagined that.
So, you know, in this case, it didn't.
She stopped it. But I think that this was when
everyone should have known that Trump was going to win the
primary in 2024 when Lauren got this close in the midterm, 100

(02:13:38):
percent, 100%. She refused to concede the
election. I'll say that, alleging that
there were irregularities. This is this is probably just
going to happen in every single election.
Republicans lose from now until the end of time.
She's still doing conspiracy theories.
Whatever. Mike, you have a note in here

(02:13:58):
about something she did do in 2022 that I think we should stop
and talk about, which is that she attends a conference.
What was it? Yeah, it was a conference.
Hosted by American. Renaissance, which is probably
the most well known white supremacist conference in the
country. She's speaking to a room full of
people who are in a part of the white supremacist movement.

(02:14:23):
The best way to understand American Renaissance is that
it's kind of like academic whitesupremacy.
There's a lot of emphasis on things like race and IQ.
The, you know, the idea that white people are predisposed to
have a higher IQ than black people or whatever this is, the
her willingness to associate with them is noteworthy.

(02:14:45):
But we have audio here. Remember I said I felt bad for
her for the way she was harassed.
I think that's an important distinction because she turns
around and tells that audience, that same audience, I stand with
the people who call me slurs. You know, it's kind of a double
standard, right? They they want to talk about
free speech, but then when you say that you're a free speech

(02:15:07):
absolutist and and say, well, free speech is for everybody.
That includes people who, you know, will call me a kike
openly, right? I don't ban people for calling
me that. I don't ban people for, you
know, calling me slurs because at the free speech absolutes, we
have to understand that free speech wasn't created for people
that we like. It's for people that we don't
always disagree with or people that are offensive or sometimes

(02:15:28):
derogatory towards us. And that's why I so desperately
hope to get to Congress someday so that I can truly re platform
the de platformed and be a voicefor all Americans, regardless of
whether I agree with them or not.
Very in a a few lines later, she.
Says to the same audience, I openly campaigned as a supporter
of Christian nationalism, which is a very interesting thing from

(02:15:50):
a person who brands herself as, you know, a Jewish victim of
anti-Semitism, actually a conservative.
Jewish female journalist. Victim.
Of anti-Semitism around this time, I forget what year it was,
but she also, she also makes a appearance at a Nick Fuentes

(02:16:13):
event, one of the conferences that he hosts alongside C PAC.
And going ahead into 2023, she'sstill like kind of in the orbit
of Magalan. She's appearing at Mar A Lago
events in Florida. She's posting about election
integrity, censorship, Somethinghappens here in 2023.

(02:16:36):
That to me seems to be the startof Laura kind of turning life
background, which is that Rumble, the alternative video
platform with investments from Peter Thiel, JD Vance, that sort
of thing, inks A podcasting dealwith her paying her, according

(02:16:59):
to the New York Times, somethinglike the tune of $15,000 a month
to host a show called Loomer Unleashed.
We were unleashed and and and. Isn't this a?
Beautiful moment. Yeah, I mean, you're exactly
right, Jared. I think this is when Laura, you
know, this time in the wilderness basically from her
Twitter ban, these losing congressional campaigns, when

(02:17:21):
she starts to sort of come back into the Trumpist fold.
She clearly seems a little less desperate for money, is talking
less about this miserable life. She's supposedly the leading.
And, you know, things are thingsstart looking up here.
And, you know, I'm sure she's making bank from this because if
it's 15 KA month, the overhead I've seen the show overhead
doesn't look to be that much in terms of production value.

(02:17:41):
I mean, I think she had to builda little backdrop and go from
there. And so so, yeah, I mean, she
starts to, I think have a littlebreathing room in terms of what
kind of right wing activism she's going to participate in.
How how how many viewers is thiseven getting?
I can't. Imagine it would be that many.
Is it really much more than posting through it?
I'd I would be shocked. And she's getting 15K per month.

(02:18:02):
Her main her main rival posting through it.
Beating for the same. Audience very hard.
It's so hard to tell because. You know, I hopefully if all
goes well, the week this episodecomes out, I'll have a a piece
about Rumble. But like I'm just saying, the
stats on that website are SUS. Oh, yeah, I, I think that

(02:18:25):
website, I can't prove it 100%, but like if somebody told me
that website was overrun with bots, like that site's just
botted up, I would believe it. It's botted to hell.
I mean you, you watch Jeremy. Hambley at the quartering and
he'll be like just talking on stream.
He's like, I need money, I'm so broke, I need money, money,
money. And then he'll have supposedly

(02:18:46):
30,000 viewers. And I mean, there's just no way.
I mean, this is kind of a digression, but but yeah, I
completely agree with that. And that is relevant to the
image of what is the Laura Loomer audience dedicated as her
fan base? One wonders.
So we're starting to get closer.Into the modern day here.
So Laura inks this rumble deal. So around this time, actually a

(02:19:08):
little earlier. Before she.
Gets the rumble deal Elon Musk buys Twitter renames it X and
lets Laura back on and you get to pay a monthly fee and get a
check mark so Laura is back on Twitter or X she's got this
rumble deal paying her the tune of I did the math real quick

(02:19:30):
$180,000 a year for a podcast posting through it listeners
come on we can do better than this Patreon link is in the
description but yeah she's. Really.
You know. Loomers getting her groove back
and not everybody is happy. Something I think we should talk

(02:19:52):
about here is Milo Yiannopoulos.You know Loomer comes back.
On Milo's. Radar and he really just starts
to go on a warpath against her. Do you do you remember how that
even started? What was the deal?
Milo and Laura obviously are very similar.
Figures for a time. I mean, they're, they drive left
on our campaign. Yeah, yeah.

(02:20:14):
Exactly. And so it.
To be honest, I don't think it'sclear why they had this falling
out. It's the narcissism of small
differences, but basically he, he at some point starts working
for Marjorie Taylor Green, who is Laura's arch enemy for
various reasons. And, you know, she accuses him
of ghostwriting Marjorie's memoir.
And, and also like living with her as, as, as a renter, nothing

(02:20:37):
romantic, I don't think. And, and, and then they start
this like very vicious 'cause these are people who, you know,
having been on the receiving endmyself with both of their, their
attitudes can be very vicious. And so they start tearing into
each other and, and, and they, they obviously have a lot of
receipts on one another as well.And so they, they sort of start,
you know, just threatening, oh, I'm going to, you know, reveal
your true dark secret. Laura Loomer, what's happening

(02:20:59):
in 2024? I personally.
Went offline for like the entirethe entire year.
But I did notice that there was a presidential election taking
place and I did notice that a president who had been charged
with a bunch of crimes was doingsurprisingly well.
It was punching really above expectations.

(02:21:20):
And during that time, he certainly had some people rushed
to his side and support. One of them was for a loomer.
Trump really embraces Loomer andso and.
This is because as far as I can tell, Laura Loomer has this kind
of like kamikaze, just like she has devoted her life to Trump.

(02:21:42):
And she will talk all the time about how she can't have a
family, she can't have a boyfriend, although she has a
boyfriend now. But at the time she would say,
you know, I can't do this stuff because I, I, I have this
singular dedication to Donald Trump.
I have to ask you, Laura, you're, you're single, correct?
Yeah, so how intimidating. Are you?
For a fellow to ask to have ask you out.

(02:22:05):
It's. It's.
It's not like I'm vicious in. That sense but.
A lot of people just can't handle my lifestyle, and I'm
very busy. Just, you know, I'll tell you a
funny story. I dated somebody one time and
they thought that I was, you know, too focused on Trump.
And they said that I gave I gavemy activism in support of
President Trump more attention than I gave them.

(02:22:28):
And it's like, yeah, you're that's right.
Because Trump is more important than you.
Trump is going to save our country.
And so you need to understand that President Trump is more
important than you. And if you think that you're
more important than President Trump, then you have some kind
of like, delusional personality.Trump sees this and he loves it,
and she's attacking. DeSantis like crazy and so he
says at one point the campaign is going to hire Laura someone,

(02:22:50):
maybe Marjorie Taylor Green leaks it to the New York Times.
Everyone around Trump goes Oh no, and and washes that.
And so she that is a big grudge she still carries to this day.
But but she's in the orbit. Yeah, the Trump campaign brings
her. To the first and only debate
that Trump had against Kamala Harris.
She joined Trump at a 9/11 memorial event.

(02:23:14):
And I, I mean, Laura has always been just 100% down with Trump,
no matter what, ride or die in the truest sense.
And told the Washington Post quote, I'm happy to dedicate all
my time to helping Trump becauseif Trump doesn't get back in, I
don't have anything. But this didn't make everybody

(02:23:36):
so happy because, you know, the way that Laura would try to help
out Trump would be doing things like going on Twitter and saying
that if Kamala Harris wins, the White House is going to smell
like Curry and resemble an Indian call center.
Just that's fucking disgusting, by the way.

(02:23:57):
It's disgusting even. Marjorie Taylor Green said the.
Remarks were, quote, appalling and racist.
Yeah, that's rough. That's rough when Marjorie
Taylor Green is. Like a voice of of morality,
Laura would say. It's some truly insane stuff.
And you know, it's And yet, and yet she kept getting into
Trump's circle. I mean, he clearly saw her as as
a true devotee. Now at one point we have to talk

(02:24:20):
about. This.
But at one point, Laura Loomer starts joining Trump on the
campaign trail, on the plane, flying around with Trump,
reportedly getting a lot of personal one-on-one time with
Trump, which leads some people, not us, we would never say this,
but some people speculating thatmaybe Trump and Laura had that

(02:24:43):
special kind of spark, that special kind of a Hollywood hot
pink romance, I wouldn't say. That, but you know, that's what
some people. Some people thought maybe that
was speculation. Was very difficult for me to
process because. As soon as I would get into the
like, you know, into the plane where supposedly this this would

(02:25:03):
have happened, I would I would immediately.
So my, my I would get very pale and and then my my palms would
start sweating. And I couldn't, I couldn't, I
couldn't imagine anything more. I was like, I can't get there
because I can't imagine what that would look like.
Yeah, I mean, so this obviously both I.
Think within Republican circles and then kind of more broadly
and sort of political media, people were saying, you know,

(02:25:25):
why is this, you know, relatively young woman so close
with Trump. You know, this this woman who's
that's all the stunts that we'velined up.
Why would the this guy who wantsto be president hang out with
her? And, you know, the most famous
example obviously would be Bill Maher, who said, you know, hey,
maybe they're sleeping together on the show to make this subtext
clear. And obviously Trump, you know,

(02:25:46):
we know has been known to have affairs.
And so so he said this and this is, you know, according to Laura
in her court sworn testimony, this the idea that she was
having an affair with Trump as kind of typified by the Bill
Maher remarks created a huge saga for her within Trump world
that she felt that she was goingto be in the White House staff
were were Trump to win. She was going to be like a James

(02:26:08):
Carville type kind of post administration media figure.
And basically she says instead, Chris La Savita, I believe,
called her up and said, hey, you're off the plane, don't want
to see you again, essentially. So all of everything.
Came crashing. Down according to Laura because
because of that she's also, you know, continuing to fight with

(02:26:32):
Marjorie Taylor Green. There's a it's 1 remark she made
You have a note here Will Arby'sin the pants.
Yeah. I feel like I memory hold this.
What was this? So this is so.
This is just part of her. Her, her lawsuit against Bill
Maher, but basically she just truly inexplicably broke the I
would say broke the judge's orders and introduced this

(02:26:55):
deposition onto the record. And it's with her.
And she says at one point, the lawyer's trying to make the
point that for HBO is trying to make the point that, Laura,
wouldn't you say you've used some figurative language in the
same way that Bill Maher did about this, you know, affair?
Wouldn't you say that, you know,you have said, for example, that
Margaret Taylor Green has Arby'sin her pants.
And so the the which Laura was trying to make the point with

(02:27:17):
that tweet is that she's saying Marjorie Taylor Green as you
know, she's she's been around the block with the other men,
right? And and now she's she's calling
her a slut. OK.
I think we need to like get a little bit.
More narrow about this because how people understand, because
people are not going to understand what Arby's in the
pants really means. Arby's.
Arby's sells roast beef. Man, are we really?

(02:27:37):
Yeah, we're really doing. No Arby's has sells roast.
Beef. Yeah.
So she's saying it's like roast beef is like a yeah is.
A male supremacist. Trope it was like a sort of
thing that like they would is ita roasty?
Is that the term Yeah. They would call like a a woman a
roast, and it's a. It's a very crude term.
That you would apply to to a promiscuous woman with the idea

(02:27:58):
that her vagina is left looking like roast beef.
That's exactly right. And I think why this is useful
is not just that this caddy thing between the two of them or
whatever. It's Laura using the language of
male supremacists, of misogynistthat she hovers around.
I mean, she hovers. We've seen throughout this thing

(02:28:20):
her willingness to hover around people who are, you know, really
quite disturbed. And it's a term that I would
find I'd be hard pressed to findanother woman using to describe
another woman. It's not something you would
typically see unless you were like very, very online and
confused. What did what did Laura say when

(02:28:41):
the lawyer? Asked her about this.
Well, so the lawyer says so. What do you mean by she has
Arby's in her? Pants.
So she goes. I've heard she because Laura
doesn't want to admit what she means.
And so she says. I've heard she likes to stick
sandwiches in her pants. And the lawyer goes, really
roast beef sandwiches. Yeah, yeah.
And how do you know this? It's just a known fact, you
know, we all know this. And and so she's and then the

(02:29:02):
HBO lawyer goes, this is kind ofcrazy.
The lawyer just goes, God, you're such a coward.
It's like for pretty wild. But but you know, this, this
Michael, Michael hit on this onething that kind of a thread
throughout Laura's career is, isjust absolutely hating other
women and hating particularly Republican women.
And I think that's part of why why she has a feud with Marjorie
Taylor Green, because anyone whosort of threatens to be like the

(02:29:25):
biggest Republican woman or the most prominent person next to
Trump is going to come under attack.
I want to point out something else in their feud.
Which is worth noting. You know, big surprise.
We haven't covered this really. And I don't think we have time
for it now. I may do in my final thoughts,
but I mean, since October 7th, obviously, it's unsurprisingly

(02:29:45):
floor has been very activated onthe on the pro Israel side and
Marjorie Taylor Green quietly becomes also more more and more
critical of Israel as well. So the two of them are really
opposed figures in there fighting for sort of the future
of MAGA, I guess I would say, because I really think it we
we've covered on the show a lot,but there's sort of filosomatic

(02:30:07):
anti-Semitic warring that is going on ideologically in the
MAGA space and they're on eitherside of that.
So after. Trump gets back into office.
You know, she has done all kindsof stuff.
I mean, she's seemingly larger than life than she's ever been,

(02:30:28):
having more of an impact than she ever has.
There have been, like I mentioned at the top of the
show, a lot of career governmentworkers that have lost their
jobs under the Trump administration because Laura
decided, for whatever reason, they weren't a good fit.
Yeah. This is if you had told me that

(02:30:50):
the the. Woman who had handcuffed herself
to Twitter headquarters and beensprayed with her assistance
pinky blood in the process or what have you that she would
someday be sort of a shadow cabinet secretary that she's
able to sort of fire people fromthe government will.
I wouldn't have believed you, but she has been become so
powerful and she I think she often sort of represents the
interests of certain factions within MAGA.

(02:31:10):
I think they'll they'll be like,I want to get rid of this guy.
And so why don't I dig up this tweet where he said I'm a Never
Trumper or something, and then I'll get this guy fired by a
Laura. But then sometimes I think she
does it on her own. But I mean, she's really able to
just create these agenda items out of nowhere.
Like she got really mad. The Palestinian children who had
had their legs blown off in Gazawere entering the country

(02:31:32):
temporarily to get, you know, amputation surgeries or to get
to get rehabilitation. And she was just like, why are
we letting these terrorists in? And within something like 24
hours, the State Department had pulled every Palestinian's
medical visa. And this is truly crazy stuff.
And but she just has this this real power in the White House.
And it's not just like, oh, they're reading.
Her tweets, I mean, Laura has had Oval Office meetings with

(02:31:54):
Trump to talk about staffing. Yeah, she said.
You know, you should fire this guy and this guy and this guy at
the. National Security Council, I
mean, so she's really like getting into the guts and some
of the most important parts of the government.
So it's sort of an ideological. Wedding out, right, Like they're
not sufficiently mega. They're not, you know,
sufficiently for Trump. There's some sign of them being
woke in her mind, even if it's completely ridiculous.

(02:32:18):
There's nothing there, and then sometimes one wonders.
What Laura's agenda is because sometimes she gets deep into
policy issues that I cannot believe she really cares about.
So she'll tweet, you've done some reporting on this and it's.
It's so fascinating to me. I yeah, true passion about this.
So, Laura, will you know number?One, she really hates a lot of

(02:32:39):
RF KS Maha picks. So for example.
Me too. Yeah, well, so, so Cali.
Means. Or excuse me, Casey means at FDA
going to be the Surgeon General.She'll she's, she's gone on like
rampages against her. And and so she's basically a lot
of Maha people have accused Laura.
She went after Vinay Prasad, whowas another kind of RFK guy who

(02:33:00):
was in charge of a lot of vaccine approval.
She went on a rampage against him and got him temporarily
fired. And so a lot of people in Maha
have said, hey, I think you're being paid by big Pharma.
And then Laura will kind of around the question, oh, you
know, I, I haven't been paid exactly.
The denial is very, very specifically tailored.
But then she gets into other things that I, I just cannot
imagine she cares about. She'll say we need to extend

(02:33:22):
this exemption that allows Chevron to export Venezuelan oil
or else China will move in with Hugo Chavez.
We just have to get this Venezuelan oil.
So clearly there's are a couple companies that will benefit from
this exemption being extended. And she has such a passion about
it. She was going off on some some
contracting bid for the space station.
She was like, this company cannot be allowed to win the

(02:33:44):
space station. This other company has to get
it. And I mean, it's just so the
agenda, I think, is so obvious. There's really no proof that
she's being paid by anyone. But there's just an.
And then she'll just say, well, I've always been passionate
about Venezuelan oil or things like that.
Yeah. She alternates from being like.
Marjorie Taylor Green's got Arby's in the pants.

(02:34:06):
Also the trillion licenses givento.
Chevron in. Venezuela really, you know,
they're under consideration and I've always felt really strongly
about, you know, export oil in Venezuela.
And she's getting into like, thedifferences between like, West.
Texas Intermediate crude and these different kinds of crude
oil. And it's just like, I'm sorry, I

(02:34:26):
can't believe this is just coming from you naturally.
Yeah, you've just got to be kidding me.
So we're almost at the end here I.
Just want to do some some last minute Laura Loomer things the
Supreme Court denied to hear herappeal about these these
lawsuits and social media companies just recently.

(02:34:47):
You know, her free speech rightswill never be, they'll never be
honoured, I guess by that. So and just the other day she
talked about with excitement thepossibility that lethal force
would be applied by the government against leftists,
so-called Antifa. And she also mentioned
Palestinians. So luckily, Christineom

(02:35:09):
authorized. These agents to use lethal
force, she said. Do whatever you need to do to
protect yourself if these individuals are being violent
towards you. So it's great to see that
Christineom is authorizing theseagents to take any necessary
action against the criminal protesters.
It would also be great to hear the same directive from
President Trump as well. Because it's not just in

(02:35:30):
Portland, is all across the country, in Chicago, in Texas,
in Portland, wherever there are ICE race taking place, you have
Antifa, you have Palestinians, you have jihadist Muslims, you
have radical leftists all comingtogether.
This red green alliance, this terrible, terrible red green
alliance, which is, yeah. So it's like when Laura's not?

(02:35:51):
You know, advocating for oil licenses in Venezuela or bids to
to, you know, service the International Space Station or
whatever. She's also really at the
forefront of cheerleading some of the the more I don't even
know how to describe it, just violent or carceral agenda items

(02:36:16):
of the Trump administration. Big promoter of alligator
Alcatraz really just viciously anti immigrant as as endorsed
all kinds of stuff. I mean, I feel like on this
episode, we barely even really explored Laura's ideology just
because it seems to, you know, Ikind of started to go down that

(02:36:39):
route when we were researching it, But it seems to just change
so often. It just seems to be that like,
whatever the Trump administration is doing, that's
what Laura believes, right? But that's right.
This this kind of just like slavish.
Devotion to Trump is like her whole thing essentially.
I mean, I would say like, besides just support for Israel,

(02:37:01):
I mean that's sort of her one constant.
But otherwise it's it's just, you know, Trump is right and
also crushed the left. But the last thing I I want.
To mention before, if we we kindof zoom out and just just
reflect on what we've covered here is something that Laura
posted today. So the the day we're recording
this, October 10th, it was in the news.

(02:37:25):
I guess the US is going to let Qatar build a military base in
the US and might be too much forLaura, she said.
Never thought I'd see Republicans give terror
financing Muslims from Qatar a military base on US soil so they
can murder Americans. I don't think I'll be voting in

(02:37:46):
2026. I cannot in good conscience make
any excuses for the harboring ofjihadis.
Jesus Christ. This is where I draw a line.
She also says at one point she'slike, we're going to teach
Muslims. To fly planes like, you know,
there's no other way. You know, it's that they're
going to do another 911. Thanks for teaching us about
planes. That's that's I don't.

(02:38:09):
Know though her saying I'm not going to vote in. 2026 is going
to make people mad. They always get mad on the right
when you start trying to depressthe vote.
Yeah, yeah. But it's I feel.
Like I've seen her say versions of this like a million times.
She always snaps back in line. They all do.
They always, they always snap back in line because like she
told the Washington Post, if shedoesn't have Trump, she doesn't

(02:38:32):
have anything, right. All of these people need Trump
for their careers to survive. So that brings us to the end
here. On that note, we're going to
close out this episode the same way we do all our Who the Hell
is episodes. But first, before we do, we'll I
just want to thank you for hitching your wagon to us for

(02:38:53):
the long haul and joining us. I felt bad it was going so long
and I was like Oh my God. This poor man, but he was he,
he, he was bringing so. Much enthusiasm.
Throughout, you know I love I love potting with you guys.
You know you. We we've all been here for many
years and, and Laura Loomer is obviously a, a topic we we have
followed closely altogether. And so, you know, I would have

(02:39:15):
been offended if I wasn't invited on.
So, so thank you. And and if I could just jump off
into the where does she go from here?
I mean, I think Laura Loomer is one of the as hopefully has come
through on the episode, one of the most interesting figures in
mega media. I, I think the Sky's the limit
for her, unfortunately for our country.
On one hand, I could see if there was sort of a changeover

(02:39:36):
in the Trump White House and youknow, Susie Wiles was out
perhaps as chief of staff. I could see Laura maybe getting
a job in the administration. But I think she's really most
powerful with this kind of, you know, this, this, this plausible
deniability around her. They don't have to say why does
your press secretary say, you know, this thing about Muslims?
You know, I, I would also add that, you know, one thing we

(02:39:56):
haven't talked about here is that Laura remains kind of held
at a distance by the White House.
I mean, I don't think she has been at like these influencer
events. She remains really mad that she
hasn't gotten kind of the coveted sort of mag a seat at
the White House press briefing. And so in a way that like,
whereas people like Benny Johnson or Jack Pasovic are sort

(02:40:17):
of part of this kind of like fake White House press corps
they're cultivating. I mean, she wasn't at the Antifa
press conference that they had where with like Andy Nguo and
people like that. So.
So I think Laura still is lacking.
In the respect that she craves. And I think maybe that could be
her next goal, her eternal goal in many ways.
So we're at. So we're at the end now.
Considering everything we've thought about talked about

(02:40:40):
nearly losing our minds of course, of this episode, will
summer, who the. Hell is Laura Loomer.
She's a bundle of contradictions.
Isn't she? No, I mean.
She's, she's a, she's someone who I think, I think just to sum
it up, I mean, I think she comesfrom a very troubled home life
as a child. And she has bundled up a lot of
neuroses regarding loneliness and lack of friends and anger

(02:41:04):
and and sort of a looking, I mean, you might say, if looking
for a father figure in Trump andsort of and turned it into this
kind of this hostility. And she's turned that against
the world, and she has benefitedfrom it by by aiming it against
Trump's Jared. Who the hell is?
Laura Loomer. I'm going to be really short,

(02:41:24):
Laura. Loomer is whoever she thinks
Trump wants her to be. Is is what I think Laura Loomer
is. I also think she is a in
insanely potent narcissist, entirely self interested and and
I think her obsession with Trump, you know, it has probably
less to do with any really firm ideological commitments and and

(02:41:49):
is likely, you know, an equal oreven more part in pursuit of
protecting and and bolstering her own career.
But like, well, I also think thesky is probably the limit for
her and that sucks really bad. Like, I think if she ran for
office again, especially in a conservative district somewhere,

(02:42:11):
it is very easy for me to imagine a representative Laura
Loomer from the whatever district of southern Alabama or
whatever. Mike, who the hell is Laura
Loomer? A lot of people when they talk
about you see like the. Way just your average liberal
person who's familiar with LauraLoomer will be like, she's
crazy. And what I would say to that is

(02:42:35):
that this time that we're livingthrough right now is crazy.
And the MAGA movement is a real vessel for narcissistic
behavior, which is what you mentioned before.
People are motivated by love andhate.
And Laura's love is for herself more than anything else, and she

(02:42:55):
is really motivated by that. But I have to mention that she
is equally motivated by hate andit is a hatred for Muslims.
You know, I'm not Muslim, but Arab American.
She hates Arab people and you can feel it in her commentary,
the commentary about Indians, right?

(02:43:16):
I'm, I'm, my family's mixed. My sons are mixed Arab, Indian
and white. You know, you feel those things
very acutely when you hear her commentary.
She really hates those people and she hates Muslims more than
anything else. And I really think that this is
a very disturbed person, you know, just because of the hate

(02:43:39):
more than anything else and a dangerous person because of the
hate. And I tried with my heart to to
feel bad for her about the anti-Semitic harassment and I
really did. I was really in me, but it's
very hard after seeing her wholecareer and was in her whole
thing. And there's an her go to the
American Renaissance conference and talk about the people who

(02:44:01):
say slurs and defend them and side with them, you know, on on
free speech grounds. I mean, how about standing up
for yourself? Yeah, that's it basically that
she is she is a a true hater andshe hates groups that are I
think a lot easier to hate in America then, you know, some
others COO COO caca in say. No as.

(02:44:24):
They might say on Broad City so that.
Brings us to the end. Here folks will summer reporter
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Will, thanks again so much for joining.

(02:45:30):
Any final words? Yeah.
One final thing I would say is when Laura ran.
For Congress, she was in the representing the villages, which
was a lot of old people and theyhad, they had a chant for her
that I thought would be a good one to for people to keep in
their minds as we finish here, which is boomers for Loomer.
Boomers for loomer. You know what?
Now that you said that, I think that.

(02:45:51):
You know, I normally play dystopia hours.
I normally I. Normally play us out with some
music. But I think that's going to play
us out today. Take care guys.
Bye.

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