The Psychic Life with Jeffrey Wands

Join Samantha for an honest, intrriguing look at the life of a famous psychic medium. Jeffrey Wands has been working in this field since college when people would seek him out for his intuitive insights. Since then, he’s gone on to work in TV and radio. You might have seen him on the Maury Povich show, A&E's Mediums: We See Dead People, Extreme Makover or the Today show just to name a few. His first book The Psychic In You was actually the first book I read on intuitive development and I highly recommend it. Since then, he’s also authored Another Door Opens and Knock and the Door Will Open. He’s also written on dreams, investigating haunted places, and the grief process.

Here's a clip of him reading Maury Povich. 

Here's a clip of Jeffrey doing platform mediumship. 

For more information on him, check out jeffreywands.com

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hi everyone, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. Dev is still
away at her writer's retreat, but joining me today is
a fantastic guest, a wonderful psychic medium, and a great writer.
Jeffrey WANs has been working in this field since college,
when people would seek him out for his intuitive insights.
Since then, he's gone on to work in TV and radio.

(00:40):
You might have seen him on the Mary Povich Show,
A and E's Mediums, We See Dead People. I'll link
that in the show notes because that's such a great episode,
Extreme Makeover, or The Today Show, just to name a few.
His first book, The Psychic in You was actually the
first book I read on intuitive development, and I highly
reck commend it. Since then, he's also authored another Door

(01:03):
Opens and Knock and the Door Will Open. He's also
written on dreams, investigating haunted places, and the grief process. Jeffrey,
like I said before we hit record, I'm just such
a fan and I'm so excited to have the honor
to talk to you. I'm not kidding what I say.
Your book was the first one I read. I remember

(01:23):
walking into the Barnes and Noble and back then I
had to go into the very back of the store
and it said a cult.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh I remember that?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Do you remember that? And it was all these books
that had all these spooky things, and I was like,
why am I here? And then I saw your book
and I just loved it and it helped me so much.
It's such a great overview of what it means to
be psychic and how to open up. So thank you
for taking time to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Oh my pleasure. I was looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh good. So I know from reading you and listening
to you for all these years, you always knew you
were psychic. You had that amazing experience where you saw
your grandmother, you had the pretty sad experience where you
saw your friend that you lost as a child. But
I'm curious to know you didn't want to go into
this field. You first studied law and hospital administration. How

(02:16):
did you stumble into this?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
I think it's more of a calling. I just kind
of like, I was all set to go to law
school and I had applied, and I had worked in
law firms when I was in college, and I'm like, no,
it just didn't feel right.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
And this just started.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
And I remember going to people's houses and they'd be like,
who are you. I'm like, well, you know, this is
what I do. And they're like, you look like the
paper boy. I'm like, I'm not the paper boy. So
and it just started that way and then it was
like all word of mouth. And I remember the first
radio show I ever ever did in New York. There
was an old show called Bob Grant. He used to

(02:52):
do AM in New York and he was like conservative
by standards, and he had me on for like three
hours and only did was sick and read the paper
and let me do whatever I want. It was the
craziest thing. And taking I'm fielding phone calls and he's
reading the paper and he make a comment and then
he would go back to reading the paper. It was
like the most bizarre thing. And I ended up running
into him in the airport like years later, and he's

(03:15):
looking at me. I'm looking at him. He's like, I
remember you. You were on my show and I'm like, yeah,
I was. That was like one of the first radio
shows I've ever ever done.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
It well the first of many, many, many, and so
many TV appearances. I wonder, I've heard you say that
you're always on psychically. Was it scary in the first
those first years going on radio and TV and having
callers just phone in and boom, you had to give
them a reading.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
It was more I think Maury helped me because they
were like really hard on me in the beginning, Like
he played some games with me. He put a picture
of himself up when he was a kid. He's like,
who is this? And I told him what his grandmother
called him, and it was like from that day on,
but he would never ever like, you let me on
the show, but he wouldn't really kind of correspond. So

(04:04):
recently he retired, so I actually got to sit down
with him and I made him cry, and he was like, wow,
he goes, you're credible. He goes, you're making me believe.
So it was kind of interesting, but it kind of wait.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
He said that all these years later, because you did
so many amazing readings.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Agreed, but he just never ever really commented, that's the
news side of him. So it was like once he
was done, we sat down. His brother had just passed away,
and his brother came through and it was just like
he got very emotional.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Wow, that's absolutely beautiful. You've been married for how.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Long, uh, thirty three years?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Congradulations what is it like for your wife to be
married to you?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's difficult, difficult. I would put it this way to you.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
One time, for a birthday party that she wrote, she
forgot the cake and I went out and bought the
cake and put the cake in the refrigerator and she
looked at me after it. She goes, I don't remember
and a cake. I go, you didn't because I bought it,
so you forgot and I was filling in. But she's
like an open book. She's used to me doing what
I do, and she's kind of accepted it. So it's good.

(05:10):
It was hard with having kids because my kids are
older now, so I was always worried. Like I remember
when I started, they had the psychic hotline, Miss Cleo,
you know all that. So it's like everything has kind
of changed. Like you go to your psychic, like you
go to your doctor. It's totally changed. Yeah, I work
with grief therapists. It's like all different things.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I want to talk to you about that in
a minute, but I also want to say I feel
like that has changed because of people like you who
are putting themselves out there and putting themselves on TV
to be ridiculed sometimes you know, and to be exposed
and then boom, you're the real deal. And I think
that's done a lot to lay the groundwork. I had

(05:51):
the same thing. I have three daughters and their father
is a police officer and I'm a psychic, and I
was like, girls, I guess, like my dad can go
to career day.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
They didn't.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
They didn't exactly want to say that, are either of
your sons intuitive?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I think they are in different ways. They're both in
real estate. I mean, my younger one especially is super
super sensitive. But thank god they didn't really follow in
my footsteps. So I was like kind of happy with that.
But my younger one's good at reading people, and so
is my older one. So they pick up on things
and they usually say all the time like kre, that's
for you.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know, help this one, help that one.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
So you know, I've helped them also in regards, like
with the housing part, because they both work in real estate.
When something gets stuck, I explained to them, hey, it's
bad energy. We need to get rid of that energy
so that it will sell. So it's like a whole process.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
That's something we always try to talk about on this podcast.
How developing your intuition isn't really to do this professionally.
It helps in all areas of your life and all
aspects of your career, which I think is really.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Impoted on the business side, especially because people are highly intuitive.
The thing that scares me is I love people that
like will take one or two classes and then all
of a sudden they put their shingle out and they think.
And there's a lot of responsibility when you do this,
you know, because you could say something and the person
can get triggered, and you can have all kinds of issues.

(07:18):
So I mean, over the years you learn to know
how to balance things and deal with things, and you
know what people can handle. But it scares me because
everybody's like you become a psychic, you know, after three
three classes come on.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
That is one of my biggest pet peeves. One thing
I always tell my students is people will believe you.
They will believe every word you say, and there's such
a responsibility and a high level of ethics that comes
with that. I did free readings for a year, and
I took intuitive development classes for well. I still take them,
but I really really studied for over two years, and

(07:53):
I think that really helped lay the groundwork for all
the stuff that's thrown at you because I had never
been exposed to grief at that level until I started
doing readings, and it really took its toll on me,
which is why I do think it's absolutely astounding and
wonderful that you work with grief therapist. Can you tell
people how those partnerships started.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
They were actually very organic.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
It would be like I would read a therapist and
the therapists would be like, well, I'm doing grief. I
think you would be really helpful to my patients. And
that's how it started. And we would like have a
rapport and if I saw somebody stuck on something, I
would be like, here, you should go to this therapist.
This therapist will help you get unstuck. And you know,
grief is a process. Everybody is different in how they
handle grief. I seem to have gotten a lot of

(08:40):
families that lost kids or you know, more tragic stuff.
So I had one woman I worked with and she
was amazing. She actually went to Israel and worked with
the people that picked up people from terrorism. I mean
like crazy enough, like you know, they would pick up
the body parts and she would deal with that and
it's like people don't realize. And because of the religious factor,

(09:03):
you know, they had to do it a certain way.
And she was just amazing. So she had gotten me involved.
I had like a bunch of families. I don't know
if you remember this years ago there was a fire
and great adventure and I had a lot of those families.
It was insane because all these poor people got stuck
in this particular building and they all died and that
was one of them. But it was all different things.

(09:25):
It was all you know, different aspects. It just evolved
like when we do Maury, it would be missing Hiss
or you know, helping on murders or you know, all
different things. And it was crazy. They kind of trained
me like you have to get in, you have to
get out. You don't have a lot of time. I
worked also on the Girls in Cleveland. I remember we
went and we were there and I said, no, the

(09:46):
all three girls and that was the one where the
girl got impregnated. They were all being held hostage. It's
like crazy. It was right in the same area, like
they were all within a block. It was the craziest stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, that was I didn't even know until that you
had helped out on that case.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
That was absolutely The FBI actually pulled that tape. I
remember that.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
But you know the problem when you do TV, you're
not there or you're there for a day, so we're in,
we're out. So I sat with the one family and
I'm like, she's not dead. I said, you know your
grandmother who's passed over. Your mom is telling me that
she's in a basement and that's where she was.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean the amount of closure and healing you've
been able to bring to people is absolutely mind blowing up.
I just like I said, I'm such a fan. Now,
you don't seem to have off days. I mean, I
know that's probably not true, but I wonder when I so.
I've I've always told my students if I'm sick, if

(10:46):
I have a cold or a flu or a headache,
I can still do a really good reading. But if
I'm emotionally upset, I cannot connect. When I was going
through my divorce and I was just a ball of
stress and sadness for a while, could not do a reading,
could not make a connection. I mean I guess I could,

(11:06):
but I needed that time. Do you have issues like
that when you're physically or emotionally.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
No, I usually feel it after the fact. So it's
like I go through like it's I kind of would
describe it as a hangover. So you go through this
hangover and it's like like I did a group of
eighty people last night. I must have read almost everybody
in the room. You know, this relative, that relative. So
I was up to like two am last night until
I finally came down and I was able.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
To release everything. But it was crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
I mean, it was for a fundraiser, but I was like,
oh my god, I'm jumping around the room. After a while,
you feel like you're talking to yourself, but it's all
the dead people.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
That are there.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, it's so much energy. And I know for me,
when I'm doing, like if I'm reading for someone and
there's a lot of grief there, I don't feel it
in the moment. I just push myself out of it.
I feel it afterwards and then I cry and I
think about that person and I pray for them. But
in the moment, it's almost like I feel like I'm

(12:06):
just a straw, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Like just yes, I mean I find it to be
I'm amazed. I don't drink, I don't smoke. I'm not
really super self destructive. Sometimes in my body I'll get
stuff like I had a real rough week last week
with families losing kids, so I get this like one
area of my shoulder where I get the stress, and

(12:29):
I was in like agony. I actually went for acupuncturi
es today because she's like, oh my god, like, what
are you carrying. It's like you're carrying a four hundred
pound bag and it's all the emotion of everybody that
you know that lost stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, it really is. And it does take its toll,
which is fast.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
He was not a great experience for me.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
We were in the well places the Haunted Mansion and
I'm like standing there and I'm talking to one of
the people that work there and I'm like I keep
seeing this little boy and they were looking at me
and they were like, well, about a week ago we
had to make a wish kids come through, and one
little boy just died and that's actually who was coming through.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Wow. Oh that gives me chills.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
That's a whole new version of the Haunted Mansion.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, I'll say, but it makes sense. I remember the
first time I took my kids to Disney. I took
all these photos, you know, as you do, and there
were so many orbs on the photos. And I'm not
a big believer in orbs. I think, you know, some
of them are orbs, and I think some of them
are ring drops. But these were orbs, and.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
You could tell what the orbs. If they're multi colored,
that's a soul. A lot of times you will get
like stuff that's light related when you take it. But
like when I was in you know, I was in
the Haunted Mansion. Boy he was all over me because
he was so excited about being in Disney. And then
he turned for the worst like a week later and passed.
So that was his last good memory.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Wow, And that's what I was thinking. It makes sense
if you were going to visit anywhere, why not Disney.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
I remember my kids must have been This was after
nine to eleven when we were in Disney. And I'm
standing at this ride and there's a gentleman for a big,
big guy, hulking guy, and I hear this is Michael
Engine Company, thirty one blah blah blah. Gives me the
whole description. That's my brother, Please tell him I'm here.
So I'm like, I'm gonna be the first person in

(14:16):
the history of Disney to get thrown out or arrested.
So I'm like, all right, I'm going to go for it.
So I said to the gentleman, I'm like, look, I
got to tell you this, but please don't hit me and.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Don't do anything. He was like, no, he goes, what
is it I got?

Speaker 3 (14:30):
He goes, I go, your brother, Michael Engine Company, thirty
one battalions.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I went through the whole thing. How he died.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
It was nine to eleven, oriented they didn't find his body.
He goes, I was just thinking my brother, because we
were in Disney five months before September eleventh, and I
was just thinking what a great time we had with
the family. And he like actually went to tears. It's crazy,
but you know those are my Disney stories.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Oh those are beautiful stories. And it leads me to
another question because when that happens, I always wonder was
he thinking of his brother or was his brother Mike
thinking of him.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think the brother was thinking of the deceased brothers,
and that's what brought it up because it was like
a magnet. It was like a megaphone and was being
drawn to him, and he was standing right in front
of me online.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
To go on it.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
I think I'm trying to think it was a little
mermaid whatever it was, but I was laughing. I'm like, oh,
I hate lines, so you can't get away from it.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
I want to be in line behind you.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah right. I remember.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Also we had stayed in Disney, and on the Disney
Boardwalk they actually had a card reader, which I thought
was very funny, and she was actually very good and
I was talking to her and she's like, she goes,
she goes, I see these angels around here.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
What do you do? And you know, it was funny.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
But of course with both places in Disney on the boardwalk,
so I don't know if they still do it. I
haven't been to Disney in years because the crowd thing
can be a little crazy.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, it's gotten a lot crazier. I haven't been in
life five years. I did not see a card reader,
but that would be well.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
That was on the board walk, so they were kind
of making it like Atlantic City kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Oh fun.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
So I think they rented space at that time. It's
just going back maybe ten fifteen years ago, wonever it was.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
But don't I love it?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I love I mean, this whole thing has evolved. I
mean it was so I mean when I first started
doing National TV, I would get hate letters, you know
from the born again Christians. You know you're the devil,
You're this, And then I get the stuff, the correct
calls from the correctional facilities. Can you help me? I
didn't do it, or I'd get letters. It was like
crazy the stuff we would get. But that's the more

(16:39):
your audience because everybody that was in jail would be
watching Maury.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
So I'm nowhere near the level you are. And even
I got a lot of emails like that, and I
found it very, very overwhelming. I had a you know,
I'm not I'm taking a break from readings now to
focus on some writing projects.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
But it was you need to finish the writing. It's time.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
It is time.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah, it's not procrastinating. It'd already had three books out.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I have two books out.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I'm trying to get the third.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
And then there's also something where I don't know if
this is a movie or like a script, but you're
supposed to be doing something with.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
That also, Oh wow, Okay, I would love that.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Get rid of your writer's block, get to work.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Okay, Okay. When I was doing thank you for that.
When I was doing readings full time, I had like
a two year wait list and I had little kids,
and it was so scary because like if I got
sick or one of them got sick and I had
to cancel those readings, I just didn't know how to
fit it back in. And then people were emailing me

(17:45):
with stuff like that, my brother's been missing. I don't
know how my sister died. And I felt such a
responsibility to be honest, I had a hard time.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
That's part of it.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
I mean, like I would get stuff the new thing
is from the cartel. Get people from Mexico writing me
because my book was in Spanish, please help me. My
son never came home. We can't find them. And what
happened was not to accuse the cortel, but when they
do kill you, you never found, You never found because
they chop you up where they get rid of you.
And that was, you know, it was heart wrenching because

(18:18):
I had one family. He was a pediatrician and he
just never came home. You get stuff like that, So yeah,
it'slic it's not fun to do the individual readings. I
like groups. I find doing the groups. I really get
off on the groups. I enjoy doing the groups on
a larger scale. That's why I always like radio and

(18:38):
TV because that was, like, you know, an adventure for
me or an escape to get away from things, so
I didn't have so much craziness.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, I completely get that, and it's a nice way
to demonstrate and teach a large amount of people.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
So or you get the people that just come in
and they keep their arms folded.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
And oh the worst I know.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Well, I yell at people. I'm at a different place.
I'm like, I throw people out now. I don't even
get myself crazy. Like I had some woman and she's like, well,
you must have an off day. I'm like, you have
not listened to one word. I said, you had a
preset thing when you came in, and because I didn't
answer what you wanted to hear, this is what happens
and you just.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Shut it all down. Yep, that is so frustrating. I
think those are some of the hardest I think they're
the hardest people to read. But I also think the
people who believe everything are equally hard.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I don't want it.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
We don't want to, like, you know, live people's lives.
You have to make decisions. We're here kind of as
a vessel to help and to help guide. I mean,
I got people that want me to make decisions all
the time.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I won't do that. It's not a good place to be.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
I'll never forget. I had this young couple come. They
were extremely upset. They go, we went to this card
reader and she told me my husband's going to die
and we're just married six months. So I'm looking at her.
I'm like, and did she try to sell you insurance?
She goes, yeah, I go, hello, do you see the
pattern here?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
She said? I was convinced she had a gift. I said,
you might have a gift, but.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
She's taking advantage because she's trying to sell you a
life insurance.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Come on, it's it's so awful. Have you ever met
someone that you just could not read?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Only twice in my career they both ended up dead.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Oh wow, do you think that's why you couldn't make
the connection?

Speaker 2 (20:20):
One was a.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Terrible car accident and another one was a girl who
was murdered by her boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Wow blocked and I'm.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Like, I usually don't get blocked, but I don't think
I was supposed to see it.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
So there was a different aspect.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Oh that makes sense to the part like you'll read
somebody you feel responsible when something bad happens. Oh yeah,
I had a woman she had separated from the husband.
I'm like, he's dangerous. You gotta be careful, he's going
to come. He ended up coming and killing her and
killing the daughter. So you know, you get that sense
of responsibility, and it's very, very tough emotionally because you

(20:55):
feel like, oh my god, it's.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
My fault exactly, and there's so much weight to that.
There's a couple of readings I've done where I just
haven't been able to make a fantastic connection. But the
only person and I always tell people if I get
three no's, I end the reading it that's okay.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
It's a matter of you know what.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I like the ones that say no because that makes
me more pissed, and then I'm more determined, you know,
to get through this. And I don't let it bother
me because I know that what I'm getting is right
and people will look at me the best. I mean,
I had somebody listening. I'm like, is a gentleman standing here?
He's telling me he passed from cancer? But I went
through the whole thing. She's like, I have nobody. Then

(21:37):
I looked at her again, I'm your husband's passed away.
Oh yeah, this is like it makes you crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yes, like acamnesia they call it. That happens all the time.
The only person who really wanted a reading and was
very open, but I could not read. I still he
called me a couple of weeks ago to try again.
And this was years before he was a former name.
And I just wonder if his training is so good

(22:04):
that it blocked it again.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
And I mean, listen, you can walk in and shut
yourself down. It happened.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
I remember John Edwards being on Oprah. This has gone
back years ago, and he had a really really difficult
time because people shut down and he's special, he's gifted,
he's talented, and then you're dealing with something like that,
so it's like, you're not going to get everybody one
hundred percent. It's impossible. If you're ninety five percent, God
bless you, it's good. Nobody's going to be one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
No, it's that's that's not even an expectation anyone should have.
And if anyone says that, that's a sign that they're
not on the up and up.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Agreed, they want you to believe that they are. And
that's why I warn people. You want to have your
own personal experience with the person, and that's what you're
looking for. It's the emotional connection.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
What do you do. Have you ever had this experience
where you see someone in spirit, very very clearly, but
they're not You can't communicate them. They're not giving you
a message, They're just there.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
It depends, like if they've died tragically. Sometimes they get stuck.
I've had different scenarios where they've been stuck and you
want to help them get unstuck and then they're able
to communicate. I love the ones, you know, Like I
had somebody last night. She's like, well, my father only
spoke Italian. So I said, I gave her a phrase
and I said to her, I said, your father said
you're at god goots. I don't know what that means.

(23:24):
She goes, it's a it's a zucchini head. She goes,
he used to call me a zucchini head, So it
doesn't matter. In the languages.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Oh too bad you didn't meet Harry Houdini, because that's
why he gave up. You know, remember that story where
Doyle's wife read for him, but it was in English
and so he didn't believe agreed.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I remember going back when I first started. I had
two ladies that kind of mentored me, and they were
into at that time where a medium would go into
a box. It was called the medium box. And I
went to a spiritual camp with them and I remember
this and I'm like sitting there and you're in the dark,
and it was trumpet medium, which is like really old,

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and the trumpet's going around the room and I'm like,
do I believe this?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Do I don't believe it? And then I got hit
in the head with the trumpet.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
So the spirit said to me, we don't like doubters,
and like bangs, Wow, it was a metal. It was
a metal, you know, it wasn't I didn't get hit hard,
but they were like, you know, get ready your attitude,
so you know, experience. But it's like that's how much
mediumship has evolved. It's so much different now.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I wanted to ask you about that because we do
spotlights every couple of months on older mediums, just so
people can understand like how this all started and how
it's evolving. And there are there's no more ectoplasm. You
don't see people with trumpets, you don't see the box,
you don't even see dark room seances as much anymore.
I heard Tony Stockwell giving a talk and he was

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saying that mediumship is moving into more emotional connection, bringing
the personality to life rather than the facts. Do you
think that's because, like as a collec active consciousness were evolving.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
A bit or I think people wouldn't really be into
a medium box or a trumpet medium. And you after
wold social media adopt to the times. You know, it's
so funny. Years ago, I just watched this on Netflix.
There was a guy who was an astrologer. I don't
know if you know of him, Walter Mergatto. He was
very famous.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I've heard the name.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yes, if you get a.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Chance, there's a thing on Netflix. He was from Puerto
Rico and he was on the Spanish channel.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
He used to.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Dress up and he used to have a cape and
then he would say, you know, Capricorn or Ari's and
he was very dramatic and he ended up even going
on Howard Stern because he had like a psychic hotline.
He had all this stuff, and he ended up losing
all his money to his manager. And they did this
documentary because he was like somebody that was huge in

(25:49):
the Spanish culture, anyone that grew up with a grandmother.
They'd be waiting for him to come on every day
to give the horoscopes of the day, and he'd come
on with all these different robes. And they actually honor
him in Miami where they put him in the Miami Museum,
which was great, but he ended up being broke at
the end. You know, he was a dancer, supposedly he
was a healer. He did all this stuff. But it

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was interesting. That's old school.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, that's old school, and it's definitely switching up, which
I think, you know, I think is a is a
good thing. I think we are moving where this is
getting more accepted. But one of the questions we get
a lot from listeners who are trying to develop their
intuition is that they're religious and they're afraid of do

(26:32):
that have to leave church?

Speaker 3 (26:34):
That's the classic one. Like with me, I'll get month
seniors that come dressed down or rabbis. They come dressed
down and we played the little game you know, guess
what I am? And I had one month senior coming.
I was like, he was, you know, in normal clothes.
And I said to him, I'm like, your mother said,
should I curtsey now and kiss your ring or whatever?

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He started laughing.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I go. Your mother showed me the cross. I said,
you're you know, I said, you're.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I'm onn senior, So you know it's because they don't
want you to go outside the religion. I went to
Catholic school my whole life. Me too, and I remember,
you know, in Saint John's University, I spoke to a
priest and the priest is like, look, I can't endorse this,
but what you're doing is good, so keep doing.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
It's a god's gift.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Oh that's beautiful. I had the same gift from a
priest too, and it really I felt like I needed
that permission.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
It's like a release, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I heard you tell another story about how you were
working on a murder case and the no, I'm sorry,
it was an arson case, and the police.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Officer, the detective old school irishman, hands me an envelope
and goes this is a clue. I go, no, it's
your laundry list, and don't forget to pick up milk
butter and the whole thing. You started laughing. So it
was funny because by the time we got done, he
was totally on my side.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
He's like, oh my god, he goes, you were right
about this, You're right about that. It changed. But he
just had never worked with, you know, anyone like myself.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
So it's like I always got that when I worked
with the police, but it's gotten better over the years
because they're more open to it if you can help.
You know, they're open to it as long as you
don't come off as a crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Exactly, as long as you're the real deal. Yeah, I've
I've worked with the police on a lot of cases,
but only because my ex husband was a police officer
and they knew him, so they trusted me. Just to
go in it would be totally different. What I love
about that story, though, is how you don't whenever a
skeptic comes at you, you don't. You're not sensitive to it.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
You're just I've become more insensitive, but I don't let
it bother me, and I'm more at a place where
I let it go, and I say, you know what,
that's their stuff, it's not my stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
You either.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
I'm not here to prove to you. You either believe
or you don't.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
How long did it take you to get there? Oh?

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I would say the least ten years. Okay, So I'm
not like the angry medium, but I got to the
point where I'm like, this is bullshit. I'm not gonna
like worry about what people say. I'm just going to
do my thing. It's going to be somebody. You're always
going to get naysayers. Are you going to get somebody
who's a pain in the ass. And that's part of it,
you know, they live that way, learning how to make
that adjustment. Been tough enough and have that outer skin

(29:13):
and nothing involved you intensitive. It's just learning that criticism
sucks and people suck and that's the nature of people sometimes.
But I get really good people too, Like I'll get people.
You know, I just had a show I did in
the Woman. It's like, you don't realize you changed my life.
My husband killed himself. You got me back up on
my feet. I'm like, well, I didn't do anything. I
just gave you the message and it wasn't your fault,

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and that he had mental illness and he needed to
be released.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
That's so beautiful. And I did want to mention because
I've said this on the show many times, but listening
to you, I thought, oh, this is so nice that
he agrees to I've always felt when a suicide is
coming through in a reading if they did it because
of mental illness or I had a father, Kate, who
came to me and his son had died from AIDS

(30:00):
years ago, and he showed me this whole binder where
he had planned out his entire funeral and wrote down
all his passwords before he chose to exit peacefully. And
I always see those people as going right over.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Oh yeah, absolutely depends on the suicide.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
I mean, unfortunately, the mental health ones, they're doing it
because it's a release and they don't know they're doing it,
and it's because of the mental health issues.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, exactly. And I had one person who committed suicide
to make his ex wife feel bad, and that.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Had one that I worked on that he hung himself
in the garage and the kids found him, which was horrible.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Oh that is horrible. And I do feel like they
have a little bit of a harder time because of that.
But the other ones, uh tend to go right over.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
I mean there's other ones that just were they to
do it to get back at somebody.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
They're the ones that get stuck. It's not the those.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Ones, you know. Like I said, I don't walk around
psychic like you do. I normally have to meditate and
open my chakras and all of that. But I was
at an event back in January, and I walked into
the restaurant and I saw this woman that my sister knew,
and I saw the word revenge over her head, and

(31:13):
like I don't see things out like normally, it's in
my mind's eye, but this I saw over her head
and I knew I had to talk to her about
getting off of this revenge thing. And so I did,
and I did like an impromptu reading for her. My
question is because I was telling my students in my

(31:34):
class about that, and one of them said, where did
that come from? Did it come from her family members
on the other side, did it come from her guide?
Was it from her higher self?

Speaker 3 (31:44):
It was from her energy? Because I'm angry about the
relationship and how the relationship broke up and how she
was basically victimized.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
That's why would come through that way.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
So it's from her own energy just emitting into her aura.
That's what.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, it's her aura.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
It wouldn't be the family, it would be more of
what she's carrying and what she's going through.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I agree. The other thing I wanted to ask you,
I was at a demonstration a couple of years ago
and there was a very well known intuitive there and
he was not nice. You know how they say don't
meet your heroes.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Well, unfortunately I don't voucher everybody in the field. That's
why I don't really associate with other mediums, because everybody
has their stick or their thing, and I know certain
high profile mediums cannot be nice.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I'm very approachable. I've always been approachable.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
You could talk to me, you know, I'll probably end
up when I go on the plane, there's always a
client or somebody who gets put next to me who's
afraid to fly, or the relatives are putting them.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Next to you. So it's like, you know what, you
treat people the way you want to be treated.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I get the privacy thing, but when you start becoming
like a drama queen or you start carrying on that
way just doesn't fly with me.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
It's not a nice thing to do.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
No, it was, but it was shocking to me because
we were, you know, backstage, and he's making fun of
the other mediums on stage, and I was just like,
holy cow. And then he goes on stage and he's
a fabulous medium, absolutely spot on.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Everybody has their stuff, I know.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I was just like I thought, I always thought you
kind of had to be a spiritual person and on.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
You know, he must have not got the memo. Yeah,
I guess I see that.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
I mean the ones listen. John Edward is from my
neck of the woods. John's a highly talented, highly skilled person.
I think he's phenomenal as a medium. I've seen some
of the other mediums that I'm not overly impressed because
it's you know, it's a difference of old school, news
school and the way to conduct themselves.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Do you think one of the other thoughts I've often
had is that, you know, you look at so many
of the famous mediums, they do tend to be Catholic. You,
John Edward, James von Prague. I mean, so many of
them were raised Catholic, which I always think kind of
makes sense because we're taught to believe in saints and
angels and saints who could fly and by locates.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
There is a mix when you're dealing with different forms,
different religions, there's different elements. I remember, you know, sitting
with a Jewish couple and they were very much into
the Kabbalah. So I mean there's different forms. You know,
in my background because I was raised Catholic, but my
father and my mother were Jewish, so it was like
a whole different element.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
It's a mix. I always say to people, it.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Doesn't matter what the religion is, it's the spirituality.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
It's the spirituality. I agree. But the other thing I've
noticed with childhood is a lot of them had some
pain in their childhood. You know, John Edward didn't know
his father very well, and James von Prague had the
alcoholism in his family, and I had a very u
to say, over overbearing narcissistic mother. I think that that

(35:05):
makes you feel as though you have to tune into
the emotions and the family. It turns it on.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
It helps you process, and it helps you deal with
what's not perfect.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Mm hmm. Yeah, And I think that so I guess
what I'm trying to say, is I feel like everyone
is intuitive. I don't think everyone's meant to do this work.
But I think if you have a childhood that primes
you for this, that that can be one of the
things that leads to a stronger intuitive I think.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
So.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
I think it helps open you up to new things,
different things, things that you normally wouldn't necessarily be aware of.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
But everybody has a thing, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
It's like ook. It took me a long time. I
was always worried about what my kids would think. And
you know, my kids were like cool with it, thank god,
but I was like always worried, you know, I didn't
want them to be made fun of. I mean, I
was very fortunate because all their friends would come home
over or you know, when they were dating, their friends
will come over. What do you think, mister Wansha, you
think we're going to I'm going to meet somebody or

(36:07):
you know, things like that. I mean, I remember one
year I played Santa Claus for them, so it was
cool because they.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Didn't know it was me.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
They're friends, and I'm like, well, you know you're going
to get this, You're going to get that. And your
grandfather told me you know that you better be a
good boy.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
It's like and I was laughing, and my kids remember that.
And then I had my kids convinced one time that
I was an alien. I sat them down. I said
I wasn't really, and when I think about it, it's
probably child of yours. But I sat them down and said,
you know, I'm not from this planet. I'm from a planet.
We have to tell you the family secret, so don't
get nervous. And my wife was in on it. And
then they started crying, and I'm like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
What did I do?

Speaker 1 (36:45):
That is hilarious. They're probably thinking, like Superman and now
you have this super.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Power, saw me doing like certain things. You know, it's
so they probably thought so it was just an easier
way to connect, to make them feel And then I
was like, oh my god, it's abuse.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
So I think it's hilarious. It's a story they're going
to be telling forever. Yeah, what besides meditation, what would
you tell listeners to start doing now to develop their intuition.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I think a lot of it is just get your mindset.
You don't have to go wooie as I call it,
and say for thirty five minutes, and you know, get
yourself to that place with me. It's like a switch,
you get in the mode. It's like in business. It's
the same thing. When you have that feeling about something,
you always I always tell people the lower stomach is
the psychic part, the higher self. The higher part is

(37:35):
the neurotic site. So I always go with the lower
part of the stomach.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Interesting, that's where you're always going to have your gut
feeling and where you can always have your connection.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, and that that never ever lies to you.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Oh, it tells you. It keeps you true to who
you are, and it keeps you in the right place.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I think it's important for people to find community and
practice this as well.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Agreed minded people are more open.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Like when I first started, I probably had ninety five
percent women, five percent men.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Now it's fifty to fifty.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I mean it's changed in a really, really good way.
Are you Are you working on new writing projects.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I'm starting to think about some other books. I had
an idea also with a screenplay, so I was playing
with that idea too.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Ooh, that would be fantastic. Your book on dreams was
really interesting because your your take on dreams is more
from your intuitive insight than what three hundred dream books
have said a dream about sneaks.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I wanted to be different.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I mean, I was laughing because I should have put
I think I put in about it. But I had
one client she won the lotto twice and her dead
father in law came through in a speedout in a snowstorm.
So I tell people, I'm like, you have any dreams
about a snowstorm, Go play the casino, Go do what
you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Oh my gosh, all right, mom, come to me in
a dream, even snow. Please give me the numbers. What
do you say to people when they're like, oh, if
you're so psychic, what are the lottery numbers? That's such
an annoying.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Question because it's an emotional thing. I mean, I will
tell you I'm very good in Vegas. I can tell
by the energy of the table. I'll go to a
table boom, or go to a machine. I can tell
right away by the energy if you're going to win.
I mean, I have two friends I go to Vegas
with every year, where friends since.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Probably eighth grade.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
And we got ones a judge and ones an anesthesiologists.
And we have a whale of a time and they
still can't figure out how I get it. But I'm like,
this is the number to play, this is the thing
to do. I can help them. I just can't help me.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Wow. Wow, how do you balance that? I mean, you
must have friends and family and friends of friends always
asking you for readings.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
I set up boundaries. You have to set boundaries because
people will take advantage. Yeah, it's the nature of people.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
So what do you say when peopleeople are asking you
to constantly tune in?

Speaker 3 (40:04):
If it's someone close, I say, you're too close. I
don't I'm not getting anything. I stay away from him.
It's enough with the family to deal with the family
every day.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
You know, you have girls. I have boys, so it's
totally different.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, it's really hard because my girls always ask me
to tune in, and I honestly can't because I'm closer
than close to it. But sometimes it does leak through, well.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
It will.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
There's certain elements and stuff like I remember with my
older son, he had gone to a college, and I
remember it was the sophomore year, so it was the
first semester and this particular collegers up in Rhode Island.
I had such a bad feeling and I was like,
you not keep taking your car. I have a bad
feeling about you know, something bad happening with the car.

(40:53):
And I remember the roommates and I said to the parents,
I'm like, you really should take the car home. We'll
sure enough. Three days later, okay, the kid takes the car.
My son's in the car with three other kids and
he hits like one of the mansions in Rhode Island,
one of the steel things. The one boy is airlift.
I mean, it's like a disaster. I remember getting that

(41:14):
phone call in the middle of the night and going
up there and my son yelled at the scene.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
My father told you you didn't listen, so it was
like crazy.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
But it was something that you couldn't prove, you know,
stop from happening. It was something that happened, but I
thought I preempted it.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
That gives me chills. That's like every.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Oh okay, it's every parent's nightmare.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
It really really is. Tell us about your Instagram live readings,
because it's a great way for people to see you
at work.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
I mean it started like I used to do radio.
I haven't done radio in a while. I had a
show on Sunday nights and we would play music and
I would take calls and I kind of got bored
of the calls. So it was a way like I'd
pull people up and I got very comical. I had
one woman I put she you know, runs into the bedroom.
She goes like, Joe, wake up, he's talking to your father.

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You need to get out of bed. I'm like, oh
my god, these people are you know. And it's like
I like it because to me, it's spontaneous, it's not planned,
and just talking to the person, I'm able to connect.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
So you just go on Instagram and people.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Want to it lines up.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
I usually give them a heads up, I'm gonna be
on blah blah blah, and you'll get maybe one hundred
and eighty people, two hundred people and they all want
to come on. And I'll stay on maybe and do
five or six people, and then you know, you do
it that way. But I love connecting that way. When
we did Maury, I did that. We did a live
thing where we were pulling up people. It was like
super popular. I mean, they loved it. So it's the

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idea of connecting because it makes you have a presence
with them where they feel it's real and that you're
connecting individually.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
You knoweous it's not planned, it just happens.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
What about when you've done a group platform reading like
you did last night. I mean, you said you read
for almost all eighty So maybe this isn't the best
example for that question. Do I question?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
But I just can't do that because, like I feel bad.
I've watched mediums and they'll go and they'll read four people. Yeah,
and I'm not knocking them. Whatever works for them, and
they're in depth. But to me, you've got all these
people anticipating they need a little piece of something that's
a big deal, and I just can't disappoint people. I
mean I always do Q and A also, and when

(43:24):
I'm in a large group, at least to give them
something because I don't want them to feel. This was
a dinner and it was a fundraiser, so it wasn't
really expectation. But I went around the whole room.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
That's wonderful. Do you ever leave there and feel like
some of the spirits come with you?

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Because without doubt, that's the hangover.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, that's the hangover. So what do you do do
you do you sage.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
I try to like either I'll take a shower or
I'll just try to come down and relax and try
to find something that relaxes me and then decompress.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
And that's where the boundaries comes in as well.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
You learn, I mean, I have a lot of experience,
so you learn to say no. And that's a big deal.
I don't go up to people like in public and say, oh,
by the way, your dead father told me, I don't
do that, or you know, I'm immediate, you know, it's
like I try to stay away from that.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
I'm so embarrassed. I did that in the beginning when
I was developing and it was all ego. I was
so pleased with myself. I thought anyone would love this,
you know.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
And it's a privacy factor sometimes even different ways, you know,
like where I go to get a haircut, it's like
it becomes a circus. So I'm in the salon and
I hear you know, this one wants to say love
this one. I'm like, oh my god, can I not
sit in peace and just get a haircut?

Speaker 1 (44:47):
But you know, that's so funny that you say that,
because it really only happens to me when I'm doing
stuff like that, if I'm getting a pedicure, if I'm
getting my hair done, or oh gosh, poor Ernie, my
old massage guy I used to his grandmother always came
through when I was getting a massage, and I don't
think he ever wanted to hear from her, because you

(45:08):
just have to know how to shut it off sometimes
or try to or just the channel for a little bit. Yeah,
I definitely did learn that. So and I always tell
people don't do those drive by readings. So what's your
wait list now? Is it pretty intensive?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
It's probably a couple of years. I mean it varies,
you know. I mean I I do a lot of people.
So I just I have an office in Florida. Now
I just open up an office in Florida. So I'm
back and forth.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
So oh nice.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
You know, I'm really enjoying and it's a different set.
It's like a wee works place. And it's so funny
because I walked in, I'm like, this is the right
energy for me, and I really like it. So, you know,
it's different. But it's like I like being down there,
you know. I like the energy of the water and
the coast and it's more chill.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I completely get that. Do you do in person and
zoom or all in.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
The majority of my stuff is probably in person.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Okay, some zoom okay, okay, So people keep going.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I remember during COVID I was doing you know, FaceTime
and zoom, and I had this one woman.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I'm like, you need to put clothes on. I can
see you no way.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
What did she do?

Speaker 2 (46:14):
You started laughing.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I'm like, you know, come on, that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
What's like the most. Do you have a reading you've
done recently that you think will stay with you for
a long time?

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Anything with kids, Usually the ones that stayed with me,
especially when it's tragic, and be like, I have a
group it's all women that went seven eight months to
birth the baby, and the baby was dead. But like
that was intense. And then I said, don't worry. The
soul is waiting to come back in. It'll come in
a different version.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
I had one woman and never forget, she had like
six miscarriages full term and I said to her, said
you're gonna have twins, and she's like, don't just say
that to me.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I said, no, sure enough.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
I remember her coming back and she's like, I want
you to meet Sam and I want you to meet Joseph.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
She goes, you were right.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Oh that's absolutely beautiful. Yeah, there's there's nothing like that
or that woman who came up to you and said,
you know that she wasn't even getting out of bed
before she heard from from her husband. So I think
we need to remember that, Yes, this work is emotional
and heavy and intense, and you get skeptics.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
But we always meet death about us, not about the
person you lost, So it's more about your suffering and
what you go through, ask with the person and how
they died and how they release.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
So that's like part of that whole process.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Do you ever feel like sometimes when I've done readings,
I feel like early on, if it's someone who's passed
away in the last year or two, I feel like
they miss us just as much as we miss them.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
The emotional omen is definitely there, and it takes time
for them to adjust. I mean I've had people after
six days come through. I had a lot of nine
to eleven people they came through right away, So it varies.
It really depends on how the person goes and what
they're going through.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
But I always have a hard time sharing that with
the person in front of me because they don't want
them to think that there. It's not like they're sad.
It's just like anything else. If you move away or
you're going to miss that person. And I think it's.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Normal, but you know, a lot of times it's just
hard because you know there's other people are sat with.
They know that child's going to die, and they prepare
and they look at what the child brought into the
family and they keep the memory alive, which is great,
but they're realistic because it was like a bone cancer.
It was something horrible that you know that kid was suffering,
and the kid never complains.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
What do you say to people who feel like they
can't get over their grief, But then they listen to
a medium like us and they hear that our grief
holds that person back. So then it's like grief upon
guilt compounded.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
I mean, I tell people it's to process. Some people
get over You're never going to get over it. You
just handle it better. But because people get stuck and
they have such a hard time accepting, and that's what
makes it so complicated.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Exactly, they get crazy with it.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Do you have like an assistant who helps you pick
and choose the cases you work on.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
No, it's usually somebody will reach out and it'll be
I'll decide if I can help or not. Like I
worked on the high profile case with the one where
the girl was killed by the boyfriend out in you.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Know, Colorado, Gabby Patito.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Yes, I knew the family I had done. There's a
fire department in Blue Point. Her stepfather was part of it.
The chief called me up when she went missing, and
I'm like, it's not good. She's already passed. So but
I remember trying to tell other that it was very intense,
beautiful family. I mean, the part of it is that

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they were more concerned about him being around her after
you took and that wasn't the case.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
She just really was an angel. She's a pure soul.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Wow. Oh that's that's that's that's very poignant. Okay, So
if people go to Jeffreywons dot com, how do they
get on your waiting list.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Just so they can email or they can call. There's
a phone number to call. Okayly coming into the twenty first.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Century, so you know, yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
I'm just going to upgrade my website I was just
talking to my web guy.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I'm like, it's time.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
I haven't changed it in ten years, and I think
I need to, you know, upgrade. And of course my
younger son's very technology driven. He's like get with it.
He goes, you're ancient. You know, it's like, come on already.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Does that mean you're going to like add an appointment
scheduler on there and everything?

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I was thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, people always try to get me to do that.
It made me feel too locked in.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
You know, well you want your freedom.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
What if you want to jet off to Florida you can't.
And if you're locked in with the two year appointment scheduler,
well you.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Learned to maneuver around it. So yeah, I wanted to
put more of the videos up and do more things
that way.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Oh yeah, that would be great. And I don't do
you have links? I know you have photos on your website.
Do you have links to all of the stuff we've
been talking about, like some.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Of your Yeah, some of the shows I have to
put up, Like a lot of the stuff's on Instagram
with Maury, Like when I read Maury and you know,
we did it got a lot of hits, plus I've
been getting a little outside the box. I've been doing
predictions of things coming up, and that's been getting a
lot of hits.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Oh that's exciting at my web.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Gude because I said to him that there was going
to be I did a thing about an earthquake, and
he made it like to woo woo, and I got
crazy with him. I'm like, keep it simple, you know.
It wasn't meant to scare people. It was to let
people know things are coming.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Do you feel like there's good things coming with all
the weirdness on and going on in the world.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
At the end of the world.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I Better days are coming. Yeah,
that's that's what I feel too. Because everyone's talking about
the astrological trends that haven't happened since the Civil War
and the Revolutionary War.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
And that's where free will comes in.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
That everybody's going to go off or California.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Is not going to become a you know, part of
the ocean in Vegas becomes a new you know, beach
beachfront state.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
So I don't think that's going to be the case.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
What do you do to get your predictions? Do you meditate?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
You No, it just comes like I'll get a hit
on something and I just do it. That's thinking about
somebody in Boom. It just starts coming.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
I love that. It's almost like you're being guided into
a different direction of your work. I can't wait to
see what you do next. I can't wait to see
your new book. I want to see the screenplay, so.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I have a couple of ideas with that. So I've
been playing with some stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
So fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on. I
know you're incredibly busy.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
No, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
It worked out perfectly. Like I said, I'm in the airport.
It was ideal because I had time.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
I'm gonna check it well.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Good to go, so good good. Thank you, and guys,
remember you can always check out Jeffreywans Jeffreywans dot com.
I'll put links to all of that in his instagram
and some of the shows we were talking about in
the show notes, so click there to find out. And
in the meantime, remember, as always to be the light
for yourself and others. Have a great week everyone. Thank

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