We Are Not Alone: Unpacking Famous UFO Abduction Cases

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let's get to our show on spooky alien abductions.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Hello and welcome to Psychic Teachers.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I'm your host, Deb Bowie and I'm Samantha Fay and
we're so.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Excited at you're with us because We're going to talk
about UFO cases that are really important and some of
them really famous.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Today, we're going to embark on a journey into the
heart of the unknown, exploring some of the most compelling
and confounding alien sighting and abduction cases in history. We're
going to unpick eyewitness accounts, examine the evidence, and grapple
with the unsettling question are we alone. Our fascination with
extraterrestrial life is as old as humanity, itself, etched into

(01:54):
ancient cave paintings and woven into countless myths.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
But it's in the.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Modern era, particularly in the mid twentieth century, that these
encounters began to take on a new, more tangible form,
giving rise to what we now called UFOs or UAPs
and alien abductions. So today we're going to share with
you some of the most famous cases that have really
made us think and wonder as we stare up at
the night sky.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Let's start our journey in the serene, yet now famously
unsettling wilderness of Maine. Imagine this, It's August nineteen seventy six.
Four friends, twin brothers Jim and Jack Weiner, along with
Chuck Rack and Charlie folks are all on a peaceful

(02:41):
canoeing trip and fishing along the remote Aligash Wilderness Waterway.
The first six days were uneventful and relaxing, but on
the seventh night they were doing some late night fishing,
Chuck began to get the strange feeling that someone was
watching them. He would later tell him investigators that as
he turned around to scan his surroundings, he would feel

(03:05):
and see a large, bright sphere of colored light hovering
motionless and soundless, about two to three hundred feet above
the southeastern rim of the cove. Suddenly, a bright, unearthly
light appeared in the sky. At first they think it's
a star, perhaps even Mars, but its movement was too erratic,

(03:29):
too purposeful. Charlie later recalled, it was astoundingly bright. It
seemed to be hovering about two hundred feet from the
top of the tree line, and then all of a sudden,
it inverted on itself. This wasn't a plane or a helicopter.
It was something else entirely. Charlie quickly picked up the

(03:53):
flashlight and began to flash and blink the light towards
the object, as if in more code, don't do that,
don't do that. As soon as he did so, the
object's ascension came to a sudden stomp. Then it began
moving toward the canoe and the four students. As it

(04:17):
did so, a tube shaped beam of light emerged from
the underside of the cramped stretching down to.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
The water below.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
It continued towards the canoe. The next thing Charlie knew,
he was dragging himself from the water and making his
way to the camp area. Jack and Jim were already there.
Each of them was staring back at the strange object,
which now appeared to be moving away from him. Chuck,
in the meantime, had remained in the canoe, almost in

(04:52):
a trance, staring at the bizarre glowing sphere. The campfire
they left burning fiercely, had dwindled to embers with astonishing speed,
suggesting a significant time lapse in which they could not
account for. They originally believed they had been on the
water for no longer than twenty minutes or so. However,

(05:14):
when they looked at the fire, they realized that the
amount of time was at least two hours. They all
tried to forget the strange night, but twelve years later,
Jim started having nightmares about how he and his friends
were standing naked in a strange room while large eye

(05:35):
creatures surrounded and examined them. Sometimes he would awaken at
night and find creatures surrounding his bed. They would levitate
him upward. Although he himself was paralyzed during the encounters,
Jim's doctor encouraged him to get hypnotized to help him
get to the source of these nightmares. Eventually, all four

(05:58):
men were separately atmatized and each told the exact same story.
Each independently described sucked into the hollow tube of light,
where they were taken aboard a spacecraft. They each described
how they were subjected to a medical examination by beings

(06:19):
with large heads and thin necks. The creatures would examine
their eyes and their mouths with a pencil sized rod.
They examined the flexibility of their arms and legs. They
then scanned numerous strange devices and instruments over their bodies.
They were forced to strip naked as physical samples, blood, urine, seamen,

(06:44):
even skin were taken. Jim Winer, one of the brothers,
described waking up with an overwhelming sense of someone in
the room, hearing a flurry of voices he couldn't understand,
and being unable to move anything but his eyes, lying
on a table in a bright white room. Finally, they

(07:05):
were told to dress and enter another room, where they
lined up in front of a round portal in one
of the walls. One by one, they would step into
this portal, from which they floated down to the canoe
on the water below. As well as this strange sensation
that each felt in their bodies, each also noted how

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the lights seemed to hold the canoe's steady while each
of them dropped into it. The consistency of the independent
accounts under hypnosis and the physical and psychological toll the
experience took on them keeps this case firmly in the
realm of the unexplained. Ray Fowler, a prominent UFO researcher

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who investigated the case, found the witnesses to be credible.
What truly is of note is that both Jack and
Jim had he not only had several visitations since this
incident in nineteen seventy six, but both had experiences stretching
back to early childhood. Each of them would describe in

(08:12):
detail and matching each other's account memories of strange creatures
waking them in their bedrooms when they were kids. They
would then leave with these creatures on board a craft
waiting discreetly above their house. The abduction experience for Jack
continued later on into his life. One night in May

(08:34):
of nineteen eighty eight, Jack was awakened by his dog
scratching at the door downstairs. As he walked into the kitchen,
he saw it a glow in a bright blue light
from outside. He opened the door, and right in front
of him, hovering in a field opposite his house, was

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a blue glowing object. He started to make his way
toward the blue light yankes, but changed his mind and
shut the door, scrambling back into bed. Hello. The terror
ran through him so quickly that he would pull the
covers high up over his head and over his wife,
Mary's head. Then the bed covers began to slowly move

(09:18):
down from the top of his head. As they came
down completely. Standing over the bed were several creatures with
big eyes and big heads. Nope, As he turned his
head to look at Mary, he could see another creature
approaching her. They both began receiving toopathic instructions to walk

(09:41):
into the light even though neither wanted to go, they
found they had no choice but to obey. Are you're right?
As he hold on, I got a lot to say?
And as they entered the light, they were taken instantly
aboard a spaceship, where they were once again and examined

(10:01):
before being returned to their beds. This particular incident would
result in the discovery of strange burn marks on the
bottom of Jack's feet, as well as a quote biopsy
like scoop mark on his ankle. Okay, Samantha, I know
we're talking about UFOs and UAPs and that sort of

(10:22):
stuff in this episode, but this sounds very spooky, spooky,
spooky halloweeny to me.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
It is spooky season.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Okay, it is, I know.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
But the fact that they're paralyzed and can't move and
can't disobey, that's what terrifies me the most.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Well, it sounds like sleep paralysis.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
It does.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
And the other thing that stands out to me in
this case is that Jim and Jack are twins, and
they have been experiencing these visitations their whole lives, and
you know, those of us here on earth are always
fascinated by twins. They've been studied forever. It would make
sense that all planet beings would want to study twins too.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
But what happened to Chuck and Charlie.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I mean, they continued to have experiences somewhat, but not
like these twin brothers. It seems as though they were
the target of that abduction on the canoe.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Jim and Jack had been part of this since they
were small children. Here they were out on this canoe,
and the off planet being said, oh, look, two more
to play with, let's get them all what the same?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right? Is that what you're saying, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, I mean, poor Mary, she just fell in love
with this lovely man and married him, and now she's
getting abducted too. That was not a part of her ideas.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Not that, not woohoo? And then you know, not only
the examination stuff that taking the chunk out of his
ankle is.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Not good, I know, or the burdmarks on his feet,
what is up with that? All?

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Right?

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Now, let's shift our focus to the southern United States,
to the tranquil waters of the Pascagoula River in Mississippi.
It was October eleventh, nineteen seventy three, when two shipyard workers,
Charles Hickson forty two and Calvin Parker, nineteen, were fishing
off a pier. What they experienced that night would forever

(12:10):
etch their names into Ufo lore. According to their terrifying account,
they heard a whirring sound and saw two flashing blue lights.
Then a peculiar egg shaped craft about thirty to forty
feet long, descended and hovered above the water. From it
emerged three strange beings, described as five feet tall, gray,

(12:30):
with wrinkled skin, robotic slit mouths, and crab like pincers
for hands. Calvin Parker later recounted, I was paralyzed. I
couldn't move. Both men claimed they were conscious but unable
to resist as the creatures floated them on board the object. Inside,
they were subjected to what felt like a medical examination,

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experiencing a sense of weightlessness. The most compelling aspect of
the Pascagoula case, however, lies in the immediate after. Shaken
and traumatized, Hickson and Parker immediately went to the Jackson
County Sheriff's office to report what they had experienced. Initially,
of course, the officers were skeptical, assuming the men were
drunk or lying. However, they secretly recorded a conversation between

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Hickson and Parker, hoping to catch them in a lie.
So they had the two men in those rooms where
you interview witnesses, right, and then the police officers left,
and Hickson and Parker didn't know that underneath the table
was a secret recording device because they wanted to catch
them saying like, hah, I think they're believing our story
or what have you. But instead what they heard were

(13:39):
two terrified men, their voices trembling, trying to make sense
of the unimaginable. On the tape, Hickson can be heard
telling Parker, it scared me to death too.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Son.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
You can't get over it in a lifetime. Jesus Christ,
have mercy. Sheriff's captain Glenn Ryder later told The Washington Post.
We did everything we knew to try and break their stories.
If they were lying to me, they should be in Hollywood.
The consistency of their separate, unprompted accounts, even under intense scrutiny,

(14:11):
lent significant credibility to their story, While skeptic's point to
potential suggestibility or awaking dreams date the Pascagoula abduction remains
one of the most thoroughly investigated and perplexing alien abduction cases.
This one is very interesting because even the wives and
other family members of these men for years after would

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attest to the fact that this experience had a huge
effect on these men. They couldn't sleep, they had nightmares,
they struggled at work, they wrestled with their religious faith.
I mean, it went on and on their whole lives,
especially for Calvin Parker, who was just nineteen at the
time and was a very shy young man. Charles Hickson

(14:52):
at forty two, he was very gregarious. He went on
talk shows and new shows. I think he wrote about
it like he was more okay talking about it, where
as Calvin just wanted to put it behind him, and
everyone who knew them, you know, this was nineteen seventy three,
so we're talking ten, fifteen, twenty thirty years later, would
still say these men weren't lying.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
It still affects them to this day.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
And no way to really understand what happened to them.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
No, just more medical exams.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. Moving on, Let's go
west to the quiet town of Kesburg, Pennsylvania. It was
December ninth, nineteen sixty five, a cold winter evening, when
a fiery object streaked across the sky, witnessed by thousands

(15:40):
across six US states and even parts of Canada. Astronomers
quickly suggested it was a meteor quickly burning up in
the atmosphere, but for the residents of Kecksburg, it was
something far more tangible. Oddly, they described it as looking
like a giant acorn, about twelve to fifteen feet high

(16:03):
and eight to twelve feet in diameter, with strange symbols
resembling hieroglyphics on its side. Reports flooded in of a large,
brilliant fireball, followed by a thump and wisp of blue smoke.
Something had crashed in the woods near Kecksburg. What happened
next has fueled decades of speculation and a persistent belief

(16:28):
in a government cover up. The area was immediately sealed
off by U. S. Army and state police officials. Jane Romanski,
fifty seven, of Dairy Township, was then a nineteen year
old volunteer firefire He told the Associated Press on that
Friday that he was among those who drove to the
landing site. Now I'm prepared for a slashed up airplane,

(16:52):
and I'm thinking, what in the hell is this. I'm
looking for wings, propellers, motors of fuselage, but nothing like
that was there. There are no rivet marks on it,
no weld marks on it, no windows, no doors, no
possible way of getting in and out of this thing
that I've seen. There was writing on it, but not

(17:15):
writing that you or I could understand. I always referred
to it as something like the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. There
were dots and dashes and circles. Other witnesses backed up
his claims and also recounted smelling a thick odor of sulfur.
John Ventry of mouffon the mutual UFO network and Owen Eischler,

(17:38):
a local resident, has speculated the object was quote a
General Electric Mark two re entry vehicle that had been
launched by the Air Force as a spy satellite but
fell out of orbit. However, official reports from NASA stated
they had examined fragments from the area and determined that

(18:00):
they were from a Soviet satellite, but then they claimed
that the records of their findings were lost in eighteen
eighty seven. This only deepened the mystery stories circulated of
the object being loaded onto a flatbed truck and whisk
away under military escort. The undeniable presence of military personnel

(18:21):
and the immediate coordining off of the crash site remain
a powerful testament to something significant occurring. Was it a
top secret military experiment gone awry, the Soviet satellite, or
something truly out of this world? The Kecksburg incident stands
as a prime example of a potential UFO crash with

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a perplexing official response. The incident has been so covered
up by the government that in two thousand and three,
Leslie Keen and producers from the Sci Fi Network sued
NASA because they wouldn't release any documents about the case.
NASA said they lost or destroyed all the records that

(19:07):
pertained to this incident and the materials gathered. Then, in
two thousand and seven, NASA agreed to release some documents
and pey Keene's legal fees. However, the documents didn't reveal
very much about the incident, So there are no documents.
But now we're going to release some of the documents.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Right, that makes sense? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Does? There you go? And here's another oddity. John Murphy,
a radio broadcaster who witnessed the Kecksburg USO crash collected
audio tapes and photos of the event, but they were
seized by government officials. I had this man in black
vision here. Fascinated by the story and convinced that he's

(19:49):
onto something huge, Murphy decided to make a documentary for
the radio. He called it Object in the Woods. Days
before the documentary is due to air, Oh boy, two
men in suits I was right arrive. They are military men,
and they take Murphy into a room. The meeting lasts
approximately thirty minutes. When he emerges, Murphy refuses to talk

(20:14):
about the incident. In fact, he's reluctant to discuss the
Keckburg UFOs at all, but he still decides to air
the documentary. Mabel Maza, the station's office manager who worked
on the documentary with Murphy, is shocked when she hears
what airs. It is completely watered down and nothing like

(20:38):
the project she and Murphy had originally worked on. Murphy
advises the audience at the start of the documentary, quote,
we regret that part of the program had to be censored,
and other parts of the program had to be cut entirely.
He then goes out of his way to make the
following assertion quote, This station has not been contacted by

(21:04):
any official agency of the state, federal, or local government
in connection with this program. He died in a hit
and run accident in California in February nineteen sixty nine.
Some people suspect that his death was not accidental, but

(21:24):
as a result of his involvement in this UFO case.
So let me check something here, Smith, as I'm talking,
so four years after the crash, this guy is dead.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, and soon after the documentary comes out, which has
been completely basically redocted, right.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Exactly, oh Man, and men in suits. The research did
not say that they were black, but I bet they were.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
M h yeah, yeah, black suits in a black car,
and who knows what else they used to threaten him.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
That's just scary, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Far more scary, far more frightening than the UFI was
falling out of the sky.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I just need to say that.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Well, you know, I heard doctor Posuka. We had her
on the show years ago when her book American Cosmic
came out, but I heard her on the Joe Rogan
podcast and she was saying that a lot of the
higher ups in the invisible College, as they call it,
of this field, call these crashes donations, that these off

(22:31):
planet beings, they're not just like flying up in the
sky going oh wow, I forgot to change the oil
on this one. I think we're gonna crash. Get your
oxygen tanks out. That they do that on purpose to
donate to us, to give us technology or something along
those lines.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Oh, isn't very interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
In our next story, we're going to travel to Brazil
to tell you the story of Antonio Villis Bois and
deb I'm not sure you're gonna like this one because
it's kind of strang.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
This is a case that predates many of the widely
known abduction accounts and sets a chilling precedent for the
abduction phenomenon. In October nineteen fifty seven, the twenty three
year old farmer was plowing fields at night to avoid
the sweltering daytime heat. He noticed a bright, reddish light
in the sky, which swiftly descended toward him. He attempted

(23:23):
to flee on his tractor, but the engine died. Then
three legged beings smaller than humans emerged from the craft.
He claimed he was forcibly taken aboard the object. As
he tried to run away, he was caught by several small,
non human entities clothed in soft, tight fitting, gray one
piece suits that covered their heads and faces. Antonio could

(23:46):
see only their eyes. He said, tubes protruded from the
tops of the helmets. The entities appeared to be wearing
goggles that Antonio speculated might have caused the illusion that
their eyes were smaller than.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
They actually were.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Now what followed was a disturbing and intimate account. Antonio
described being strip naked, covered in a strange gell, and
then subjected to a physical examination by what he perceived
as emotionless non human entities. He said that after they
spread the thick, clear liquid all over his body, he
was led to an adjacent room where they extracted blood

(24:21):
from his chin, which left a scar. When the beings
left the room, it filled with noxious smoke that caused
Antonio to vomit. He was alone in an empty room
filled with nothing more than a bed, which leads us
to perhaps the most shocking aspect of his testimony. Antonio
set a petite, completely naked female entered the room. She

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had thin, light blonde hair parted in the middle, large
blue slanted eyes, her high, wide cheekbones narrowed to a
tiny pointed chin. Her nose was straight and narrow, and
her mouth was little more than a slit. He said
that she then decided to become intimate with him. He's
still with me, deb I'm there, okay. He said that surprisingly,

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he found the encounter gratifying, except for the animal sounds
she admitted. He also noted that she refused to kiss him,
instead preferring to bite his chin. He believed that this
whole thing was for the purpose of creating a hybrid child,
because when the female being left the room, before she
walked through the door, she turned back to Antonio, pointed

(25:29):
to her abdomen, and then to the southern sky. After that,
another being entered the room and told him to get dressed.
When he was eventually returned to his farm, five hours
had elapsed now. Antonio's story was meticulously documented by doctor
Olivo Techsera, a prominent Brazilian physician and UFO researcher. Despite

(25:52):
facing ridicule, Antonio, who later became a lawyer, maintained his
account until his death in nineteen ninety one. The details
of his experience, particularly the reproductive aspects, were groundbreaking at
the time and early prescient for the abduction phenomenon as
it would evolve. While some skeptics suggest he may have

(26:13):
been influenced by science fiction or maybe a pre existing
folk tale, the raw, detailed and consistent nature of his testimony,
particularly its early timing. I mean this is at least
two decades before he even heard the word hybrid lends
its significant weight in ufology circles. Now, Antonio's strange shale

(26:35):
might have been dismissed completely were it not for the
medical evidence. Antonio reported that he had experienced overwhelming fatigue, nausea,
eye inflammation, headaches, body aches, and loss of appetite for
days following his alleged experience. The physician who examined him,
doctor Fontas, noted coin sized scars on his chin and

(26:57):
multiple recent lesions on his arms, arms, legs, and hands
with strange purpoleist discoloration around them that might have been
the result of radiation poisoning. And you know, dev researchers
who came out to the farm right after this whole
thing happened noticed that his tractor had been sabotaged It's
almost as though the beings knew that he would try

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to hop on that tractor and run away from them,
and they had planned this whole thing out, which to
me lends an even spookier aspect to.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
It, like they've been watching him and waiting to use him.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Mm hmm, yeah, exactly. Maybe there was something in his
genetic code that they needed or wanted. I don't know,
but it's not like they were just flying over going,
Oh look, there's a farmer down there, let's go take
some samples from him. It sounds much more planned.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Well, okay. A couple of other things about that. One
the chin thing freaks me out. I don't know why
that freaks me out, but.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
It does me too.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
It's just weird.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
It is weird.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
I mean, is that how they kiss?

Speaker 3 (27:59):
I don't know. It doesn't sound anything resembling pleasant intimacy
to me. No, Okay, So there's there's that weirdness. The
other is that these creatures have three legs.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, how do you?

Speaker 1 (28:12):
That would be really hard to walk with three legs.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
I I can't even envision it. And I'm curious about
how intimacy occurs with a three legged being.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
I don't think she did not have three legs. Those
are the little beings. Oh yes, yes, oh no. He
fully describes the encounter DEEB and he fully describes what
she looks like. And I redacted that just for you.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Thank you, because I mean, that's just weird. That's just
that's just too weird. It is. Okay, Well, I guess
we need to move on because that's weird to Okay,
I'll go on to the next one. Yikes, here we go.
Our next stop takes us to the vast open landscape
of New Mexico, a state no stranger to UFO legends.

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On April twenty fourth, nineteen sixty four, police officer Lani
Zamora was pursuing a speeding car when he heard a
roar and saw a flame in the sky. Believing a
nearby dynamite shack might have exploded, he abandoned the pursuit
and drove to investigate. He found himself face to face

(29:23):
with a shiny egg shaped object the size of a
sedan resting in an aurora. He initially thought it was
an overturned car, but quickly realized it was something entirely different.
The object was later described as about the size of
a small car with a smooth aluminum white surface, no
windows or doors, and standing on four slender legs. On

(29:48):
the side of the craft, Zamorro observed a peculiar red
insignia or symbol, which he later drew this marking for
the investigators. He said it looked like an inverted V
with three bars symbolizing on the graft. He saw two
small humanoid figures in white overalls standing beside the object.

(30:09):
He described them possibly children or small adults, dressed in
white coverall like suits. These entities were near the craft
but quickly moved out of view. Tomorrow lost sight of
them as he closed in. He radioed the Sheriff's office
about a possible accident, and also called for backup from

(30:31):
the New Mexico State Police sergeant Sam Chevez. But then
he saw a roaring, blue and orange flame erupt from
beneath the craft. Tomorrow saw the object lift off the
ground and slowly rise. Its landing legs retracted. The object
accelerated away in a straight lined trajectory to the southwest

(30:55):
with a speed Tomorrow described as very fast. Within ten
to fifteen seconds, it had vanished over the hills, leaving
behind no exhaust trail, no flame, and no sound, only
a patch of burning bushes and scattered smoldering brush in
the aura where it had been. Somorro was a respected

(31:17):
police officer with a reputation for honesty. His detailed report,
including the scorched earth where the object had rested and
four indentations in the ground, became a cornerstone of UFO investigations.
The case was so compelling that Project blue Book, the
US Air Force's official studies of USOS, listed it as unknown,

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stating they could find no conventional explanation. The head of
Project blue Book at the time was reportedly quoted as
saying it was the most puzzling case he had ever
dealt with. Key evidence includes scorched vegetation, for edge shaped
imprints in the dirt consistent with landing gear, and multiple

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eyewitness testimonies to a roaring flame in the sky. Skeptical
theories range from a lunar landing test by White Sands
missile range to an elaborate hoax perpetuated by New Mexico
tech students. However, the sheer credibility of Zamora, the physical evidence,

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and the inability of official investigations to definitively debunk his
account ensure that Lonnie's Amora incident remains a tantalizing mystery
in the history of USO sightings. I need to stop
a question here. Project Bluebook is at the same Project
blue Book we're dealing with now.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
No Project blue Book was officially closed, but Project blue
Book is the one that doctor Allen heinek ran and
he will talk about him in a minute.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
They worked really really hard to debunk every case, and
the fact that he could not debunk this case is significant.
And if you guys go to that website I love
and talked about the Black Vault dot com and you
look up this case, he has posted all the documentation.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Emmi Devi. It's really cool.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
You can see the blue Book report. You can see
Zamora's initial police report. You can see photographs of the indentations.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
In the ground.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
It is thoroughly well documented.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Okay, just needed to check on that.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Our next story is about the abduction of a couple
named Steve and don Hess who were abducted while camping
in the Mojave Desert. The young couple was seeking an
escape from the frantic pace of Los Angeles life and
managing their busy family. They had driven for hours, their
car just a tiny speck against the overwhelming canvas of
sand and scrub as they were looking for just a

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remote stretch to get away from it all. As dusk
bled into a bruised twilight, the desert transformed. The oppressive
heat lifted, replaced by a cool, bone dry breeze that
rustled through the Joshua trees. The sky became a deep,
inky black, a perfect backdrop for the stars that began
to appear in the magnificent sky above them. This was

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the sight that had drawn them here, a sky so
clear it felt as though you could reach out and
touch the stars. They pulled over, cutting the engine and
rolling down the windows to let the night air envelop them.
The only sound was the faint ticking of the cooling car.
They were mesmerized, lying back in their seats, watching the
celestial river of the Milky Way flow above them. Then

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it appeared, not a star, not a plane, but a silent,
impossibly bright light descending from the north. It moved with
a precision that defied explanation, a slow, deliberate dropped that
seemed to hover just over the horizon. Stephen Down watched
in stunned silence, their hands finding each other's. The light grew,

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shifting from a pinpoint to a vast, luminous oval that
seemed to pulse with an inner energy. The air around
them grew still. A deep hum, felt more than heard,
vibrated through the car's frame and their very bones. A
strange sensation of paralysis took hold. They couldn't move, they
couldn't speak, They could only stare, their eyes locked on

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the object now hovering directly above them. It was perfectly silent,
its light bathing the landscape in an eerie, otherworldly glow,
casting no shadows. The last thing Dawn remembered was the
feeling of being lifted, a surreal lightness that was both
terrifying and peaceful. The last thing Steve knew was the
overwhelming brightness, a flash that seered itself into his mind's

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eye before everything went black. They awoke with a jolt,
their hearts pounding against their ribs. The sun was high
in the sky, a brilliant, unfre giving white. They were
still in the car, parked on the side of the road,
but something was wrong. The air was heavy with heat,
and the light was blinding. They felt disoriented, a profound
sense of temporal displacement washing over them. How long were

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we out, Don asked. Steve looked at his watch. It
was eleven thirty in the morning. The clock in the
car's dashboard confirmed it. They had lost nearly fifteen hours.
The last thing they remembered was the night sky, and
now it was late morning. Panic began to set in,
cold and sharp beneath their confusion.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
They were sick.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
A nauseating ache pulsed through their heads, and a deep
seated fatigue made it hard to even lift their limbs.
Don felt a strange, burning sensation on the back of
her legs, and when she looked, she found two small,
perfectly circular red marks, as if from a suction cup
or a needle. Steve had a similar mark on his neck.
The drive back to Los Angeles was a blur of

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silence and growing dread. They tried to piece together what
had happened, but the fifteen hours were a complete blank
avoid in their memories. The hum, the light, the paralysis,
it was all they had Back in the city. The
marks on their bodies would not fade, and the headache
and fatigue persisted for weeks, the experience haunted them. Sleep

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became a source of terror, filled with fragmented, terrifying images
of tall, thin figures with large dark eyes, a cold,
sterile room, a feeling of being observed, of being studied.
They sought help, speaking with therapists and investigators who specialized
in the unexplained, but no one could offer an answer.
Through hypnosis, they began to slowly and painfully unlock the

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lost hours. They spoke of that cold, sterile room with
rounded corners and an inexplicable absence of scent. They described
being examined by tall and possibly thin figures with large
almond shaped eyes that were a fathomless black. The beings
moved with the swift, silent efficiency, their every action clinical
and without emotion. But the most disturbing part of the

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sessions was a reoccurring shared sensation. As the beings performed
their procedures, Steve and Dawn felt themselves being forced to
relive their most traumatic memories. The memories were not just recalled,
they were felt amplified to an excruciating degree. The despair,

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the anger, the fear all made fresh and new. According
to the investigators, they consulted a chilling theory emerged. The
beings were not just studying them. Could it be that
they were feeding on the negative energy produced by making
them recall these memories? The human emotional spectrum, particularly negative energy,

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could be a form of sustenance. The reliving of negative
events was not a byproduct of the examination, but its
primary purpose a deliberate harvesting of the raw emotional power
of pain, sadness, and fear. So there's so much more
to this story. There's been a whole book written about it.

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They've been interviewed on a couple of shows. But I
think it's interesting to point out that they haven't made
money off of this. Maybe a little bit from the
book that a UFO researcher wrote with them, But they
haven't sought the limelight.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I mean, have you heard of them?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, And if you read the book or listen to
the interviews they've done, it's pretty intense what they went through.
And if I remember right, I believe she returned from
that trip pregnant, and so they've always wondered about that.
And there was a being that presented almost as an
angelic figure who would cover them in this energy of calm,

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so they were being told to relive and I did
not tell you all what all the painful memories were,
but let me just tell you don in particular had
gone through some heavy stuff as a child, and they
made her re of all of that, and when she
would panic or get sad, this angelic being would try
to calm.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Her down afterwards. But it's a weird, creepy, sad story.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
We tend to think these kind of UAP and alien
abduction kind of stories as being pretty generic. There's a
spaceship that lands, and these weird looking beings come out,
and they kidnap people and put them on the ship
and do stuff to them and then send them home
and they can't remember. I mean, that's the common scenario.

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And so over time, I think we've come to think
of these off planet beings as being kind of uniform
and generic with each other. And yet I've often wondered,
because we as humans are so different in so many ways.

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We have different emotions, different experiences, different ways in which
we interact with each other. Is that not also true
perhaps with folks from other places, Because what you've just
described here is a pretty different experience than what we
normally think of We often think of the experiments as
being much more physical and not emotional. And what you've

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just described is pretty emotional and a negative emotional.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Experience, right, But the physical exams would cause a lot
of fear too, just the whole they wouldn't And I
wonder if they do feed off the fear or the
One thing these abduction encounters do have in common is that,
for the most part, these beings are described as emotionless.
What if they have lost their soul or lost their

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emotion and they're trying to recreate it through studying us.
I don't know or never had it and don't know
what it is, right, that's true.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Okay, let's do another one here. This is a weird
story of an alien fight that took place one night
back on August twenty first, nineteen fifty one, known as
the Kelly Hopkinsville encounter. The tale centers on the Sutton's family,
who lived on a farm in a small house without
running water, no TV or radio. The family lived off

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the land and relied on each other and nearby neighbors.
That hot August evening, one of their friends, Billy Ray Taylor,
left the Sutton house to get some fresh water when
he saw a bright, silver metallic object in the sky.
Taylor described the object as being very bright and emitting

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rainbow colored exhaust fumes. Billy Ray rushed inside to tell
the Sutton family what he'd seen. Billy burst through the
door to tell them about the UFO he'd just witnessed
landing in their backyard. The Suttons laughed it off, but
when the family dog started barking uncontrollably, Billy and Lucky

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Sutton headed outside to take a look. They saw a
strange humanoid creature who seemed to be standing in an
aura of glowing lights. They later told police that the
being was about three and a half feet tall, with
a head much larger than its small, round body, and
had arms that reached to the ground. They said the

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creature's large eyes glowed yellow. The frightened men grabbed their
shotguns and began firing. The small creature raised its hands
up as if in surrender, Then it did a black
flip and disappeared into the night. The two men went
through four boxes of ammunition, but it had no effect

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on the creatures. The two men ran back inside, but
soon spotted another creature peering in the window. When they
shouted this little guy, he too did a black back
flip and disappeared. Suddenly, all went quiet. The group believed
the worst was behind them. They watched in terror as

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Billy Ray walked out onto the porch to make sure
their creatures were indeed gone. That's when they saw a
clawlike hand reached down from the roof and touched Billy's hair. Yikes.
The family pulled Billy inside and Lucky shot up at
the roof. They then spotted another little creature climbing a

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tree in their backyard. It seemed as if they were surrounded.
The family stayed inside for another three hours, listening as
tiny clawing scratches could be heard on the roof above them. Finally,
when all had quieted down, they rushed into one of

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their cars and headed for the police station. After hearing
their story, the local police were joined by the state
police and military police. They found the discarded shotgun shells,
but nothing else. There was no evidence of drinking, plus
it was known by most people that mister Sutton didn't

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not allowed drinking on her property. However, once the police left,
the Suttons claimed the beings returned around three in the morning,
Missus Sutton said she woke to see one staring at
her through the bedroom window with its hand pressed on
the screen.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Okay, can I just stop you there? Doesn't it sound
like these little beings look at us humans as cute
little animals in a zoo like Look, mom, this one
has hair?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Or one more?

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Look Mom?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Can I just press my hand to the window and
peek in. Doesn't it feel that way to you?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Well, you know, they weren't hurting anything. They were just
very curious. I mean, we can give them the benefit
of the doubt, right.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, it's such a strange story.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
I'm sorry, going okay, because we're not quite dumb. At
the time, skeptics claimed the Suttons were either lying or
had seen a great horned owl. Hope you're right. One
man even claimed it was nothing more than the family cat. However,
even the chief of police said that no one had

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appeared inebriated. One investigator took their pulse and said their
hearts were racing. These family members were honestly terrified by something. Unfortunately,
they were so harassed by people who either wanted to
see the property or make fun of the family for
creating a hoax that they were forced to sell and

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move away.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Wow, I know, and they also have not you know.
They never did change their story either, so it remains interesting.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
It does.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
So what are we to make of these extraordinary accounts.
One prevailing theory is that these encounters are genuine interactions
with intelligent life from other planets. Proponents suggest that aliens
might be visiting Earth for observation research, or even as
in Antonio's case, for genetic experimentation or hybrid reading programs.

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The consistency of details across unrelated accounts, the gray beings,
the medical exams, the missing time is often cited as
evidence of a shared objective reality may be.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
But on the other side of the spectrum, many scientists
and mental health professionals offer psychological and physiological explanations. One
of the most common is sleep paralysis. As we mentioned
a minute ago, this is a temporary inability to move
or speak that occurs when waking up or falling asleep,

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often accompanied by vivid hallucinations. During sleep paralysis, individuals can
feel a heavy pressure on their chest, a sense of
an unseen presence, or even see figures or lights, which
could be misinterpreted as alien encounters. Another theory points to

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what's called false memory syndrome and suggestibility. Through techniques like hypnosis,
individuals might unwittingly create or elaborate on memories based on
their subconscious beliefs. Cultural influences like popular science fiction are
leading questions from investigators. So you know, if you're gonna

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get in tartis and go off with doctor who, you
may think that's happening to you in your own bedroom.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I think some of these cases dismiss that, Like, we
didn't mention the Betty and Barney Hill abduction because it's
so well known and we've covered it on older shows.
But she described an entire planetary system that we did
not know about for twenty years. And she also described
a needle in her belly years before things like IVF

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or amniocentesis were invented. So how could she have been
making it up in hypnosis?

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (48:58):
I do? I do.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
There's also the idea of psychopathology. Those studies have largely
shown that these alleged abductees are no more likely to
suffer from mental illness than the general population. However, some
research does suggest that these abductees tend to score higher
in traits like hypnotic suggestibility, absorption meaning the tendency to

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become fully engrossed in imaginary experiences, and a lot of
right brain type things like they tend to be more
creative for example. Finally, some theories delve into the sociocultural impact.
The widespread presence of UFO narratives in media and popular
culture might create a framework for individuals to interpret unusual experiences. However,

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we can't discuss theories about why these events might occur
without acknowledging the groundbreaking work of someone who approached these
claims not with skepticism, but with a profound openness to
the human experience, and that would be doctor John Mack.
He was a Harvard Medical School professor of psychiatry and
a Pulitzer Prize winning author. Mac's initial foray into the

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adduction phenomenon was met with considerable controversy, including an unprecedented
internal review by Harvard itself. So even though doctor Mack
had won a Pulitzer Prize for writing a book I
Believe about Laurence Olivier and was a tenured professor of psychiatry,
can mention being a psychiatrist and then tenured and then

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at Harvard and then saying you know what, Now I'm
going to.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Investigate alien abduction stories.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
So Harvard tried to out some him, but he was
tenured they couldn't do it. In his influential nineteen ninety
four book Abduction Human Encounters with Aliens, doctor Mack presented
his research findings after interviewing over two hundred individuals who
claimed to have had alien abduction experiences. Unlike most, Mack

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did not dismiss these accounts as delusions or mental illness. Instead,
he treated the abductees as patients experiencing profound psychological trauma
and sought to understand the meaning and impact of their experiences.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
He emphasized that the individuals he interviewed were, for the
most part, psychologically stable, intelligent, and articulate. He noted their
often disturbing consistency in descriptions of the beings, the crafts,
the procedures, and the emotional and spiritual aftermath. He wrote

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to the patterns in the accounts of alien encounter experiencings
are extraordinarily consistent, whether they are obtained from children or adults,
from individuals with different cultural backgrounds, or from persons of
different countries. The consistency of the core elements points strongly

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to their having a basis in some form of objective reality.
He observed common themes force medical examination's, telepathic communication, feelings
of helplessness, and often a sense of mission or purpose
given by the entities. While mac acknowledges that he could

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not scientifically prove the physical reality of the abductions, he
concluded that something profound was happening to these individuals that
could not be explained away by known psychological or psychiatric conditions.
His work challenged the scientific community to look beyond conventional

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explanations and to consider the possibility that something genuinely anomalous
was occurring. Mac's approach legitimized the experiences of abductees for many,
shifting the conversation from are they crazy? To what is
happening here?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
However, we should add that, like the documentary and Women
in the Kecksburg Sighting, Mack died as a result of
a mysterious hit and run while attempting to cross the
street in London. Wow yep, And there's a lot of
mystery around that one. And of course we'd be remiss
if we didn't mention the work of doctor J.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Allen Heinek.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
He was an American astronomer who was initially a devow skeptic.
For over two decades, Heineck served as the chief scientific
advisor to three consecutive US Air Force studies on UFOs,
Project Sign, Project Grudge, and most famously, Project Bluebook. When
he first started in nineteen forty eight, Heinick was a

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staunch skeptic, famously saying that the whole subject seems utterly ridiculous,
and he seemed to really enjoy his role as a debunker.
The Air Force's mandate for much of this period was
to explain away every sighting, often leading to dismissive labels
like it was just swamp gas for unexplained phenomena. However,

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as the years passed and Heinek investigated thousands of cases,
something fundamental shifted in his perspective. He was repeatedly struck
by the sheer volume of credible witnesses, including military pilots
and radar operators, whose accounts simply could not be explained
by conventional means. He began to feel frustrated by the

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Air Force's completely negative and unyielding attitude, as he put it,
and their refusal to entertain the possibility of truly anomalous events.
He observed that the Air Force's explanations often seemed forced
or inadequate. By the nineteen sixties, high skepticisms had completely eroded,
replaced by a conviction that a genuine, unexplained phenomenon was occurring.

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He realized that ridicule was not a part of the
scientific method, and that many of the witnesses were far
from quote crackpots. This led him to publicly break with
the Air Force's official stance, and his pivotal nineteen seventy
two book The UFO Experience, a Scientific Inquiry, he introduced
the close encounter classification system that has become standard in ufology.

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He concluded that the UFO phenomenon is real, and that
efforts to investigate and understand it, and eventually to solve
it could have a profound effect, perhaps even be the
springboard to mankind's outlook on the universe. His journey from
chief debunker to a leading proponent of scientific UFO research
is a powerful testament to the compelling nature of these

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unexplained events. And you know, dev, that's what I find
so interesting. I mean, for years I just it's not
that I didn't believe in this stuff. I just didn't
want to take the time to look at it. It
was so far out there, it was so far fetched,
it was so strange, and it was a little frightening.
I didn't even want to look at it. So I

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just appreciated the debunkers because I was like, yeah, that's that.
But when I started to look at the work of
esteemed individuals like doctor mac and like doctor Heinek and
several others, it really does change something inside of you
where you start to realize, yeah, these stories sound weird,
like emotionless little three legged beings and off planet beings

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having sex with you and scooping stuff out of our
chin and burdening our feet. It's weird, and you just
don't even want to consider it. But when you do
dive into the research, there's something there.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
You're right. And you know, I think each of us
is probably who've given this topic and he thought at all,
have had an evolution in the way that we think
about it. I remember reading Communion and then the movie
Close Encounters. One of my goals in life some years
ago had been to walk around Devil's Hat Tower that

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movie so impacted me and I did PI correct, I
use the word very loosely here, walked around Devil's Tower,
and of course at that point in my life, I
was also deeply connected to Lakota Thought, which is a
part of that place is a sacred space to them.
But it also of course brought up all the questions

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that movie brings up to me and contact with Jodie
Foster on and on. What Hollywood gave me was the
willingness to question, and that questioning has never stopped. And
I've never believed that we were it. I remember it
being in Sunday school and having a similar discussion with

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my teacher and my classmates and saying, surely you cannot
believe in a god who believes we're it? Who made
us it? There's got to be more out there, And
I've always believed that.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah, it just makes sense.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
It does to me. So I just topic fascinating.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
I just want to know why they're taking us. It
just seems weird.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Yeah, because we're not well are we taking them?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I mean, you know, well, I mean, like I've said
before in the show, it's so similar to how we
will bag and tag animals and put them back into
the wilderness.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
We just sharks.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
We do it with bears, We do it with all
sorts of animals, to study them, to help them.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
We will never know about the bodies at Roswell, will
never know well right no, And I tell you as
we are involved in and watching the skinwalk or ranch
process evolve, and I bet you that there's something in
that ship, whatever it is inside the mesa. I'm just saying, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
The one book and I'll try to remember to put
it in the show notes and on our social media pages.
The one book that really I would love to do
a show on deb because it really made me think,
and I don't know, it still stays with me.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
It's called Gods of Eden by William Bramley.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Oh yeah, I think I got you and Jol a copy,
but I'm not sure if you guys read it. It's intense,
but it goes into the history of how long they've
been visiting us. Well, we hope this has been a
gen but not too gentle spine Tingley kickoff to our
spooky season. We'll be back next week with some more
scary tales. In the meantime, have a great week, Sleep

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