July 13, 2025 • 12 mins
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Thanks for listening! If you enjoy the show, please tell a friend, subscribe, rate and leave us a kind review. Don't forget to join our community on Facebook by searching Psychic Teachers.
If you have a question or story to share with us, send us an email at psychicteachers@gmail.com.
For more information on us, check out our websites: debbowen.com and samanthafey.com. You can also find Samantha on Instagram @samanthaofey.
If you want to pre-order Deb's book, go to debbowen.com or (if outside the US), check out clairegelder.com
Signed copies of Samantha’s book Heavenly Alliance and The Awake Dreamer are available at samanthafey.com.
Be sure to check out their other podcasts Enlightened Empaths and Real Deal Divas.
Have a great week. Be the Light!
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host, Am
Bowie with a new installment of My Wisdom from Dead episodes. So,
if it's safe and comfortable for you to do so,
sit back, drop your shoulders, take a deep breath and
close your eyes. And if you can't close your eyes,
(00:38):
at least drop your shoulders and take a deep breath.
So ponder some questions with me. What does it mean
really to seek wisdom? What's the difference between wisdom and knowledge?
How in today's world do we even begin to just
(01:00):
discerned the difference and then trust what we're learning. How
do we know when we are becoming wise not just smart?
And are there different kinds of wisdom? One of the
brilliant thinkers of the world died at the end of June.
American journalist and commentator Bill Moyer's wore many hats over
(01:24):
the years, including working to create the Peace Corps and
the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. However, I imagine most of us
know him from his amazing documentary series with author and
professor Joseph Campbell. Campbell's work is legendary, but this documentary series,
(01:44):
entitled The Power of Myth, was created in such a
way that ancient wisdom is shared so that we, meaning me,
can deeply understand its lessons. The Campbell and Moawyer's documentary series,
along with my eternal search for wisdom through the symbolism
found in to Row, continues to fuel my fascination with
(02:09):
archetypes and mythology and how deeply we are impacted by history, culture,
and world beliefs. I learned something new every time I
read Campbell's work, or watch that documentary series, or pull
a Tarrow Keith, And then I wonder what, just how
(02:29):
wise am I really? Y'all? I'm old, and some days
I think I know lots of stuff, and other days
I don't know anything. As Neil de grass Tyson says,
we don't know what we don't know. Just think about
what we don't know about the cosmos. Check out what
(02:51):
we're just learning about octopuses or orcahs or Azilian other
beings on this planet and beyond. When I think about
how much we don't know yet but a learning about emotions,
I think about Octopus's experiences. I think about my need
(03:12):
to search for better ways in which I can approach
the kaleidoscope of emotions I feel during the course of
the day. Where do these emotions come from? Why do
I sometimes feel I or the world around me is
spinning out of control and there is nothing you can
do about it. Fortunately, I also believe I am wrong.
(03:36):
There are some things I can do, and here's what
I mean. Recently, there was a big legislative issue in
my state that dramatically affects the livelihood of thousands of
people and the coastal environment in which I live. I
stated my opinion in letters, e mails, phone calls, and
(03:57):
text messages repeatedly, as did many other folks. Many people
took valuable time away from their jobs to be very
visible to legislatures at the state capitol on the day
of the vote. Did I do all I could have done?
Probably not, but I tried and the perspective I support one,
(04:18):
at least for a while. But how much difference did
my one voice make I'll never really know, but I
believe it did. Recently, a group of friends and I
talked about things we do or could do to help
us get along through different through difficult times in our lives.
(04:39):
To believe that we do have some wisdom, to feel
a bit of control within ourselves. We talked about personal
struggles as well as our concern for the world around us.
We talked about how we navigate our daily, mundane worlds
and how we explore and find solace from our spiritual worlds.
(05:01):
Each one of us in the conversation touched on something
that troubles us, keeps us awake at night, makes us
doubt our place in the cosmos, causes us to question
our beliefs and practices. We ask ourselves if whatever we
do or don't do matters, both in our immediate situation
(05:23):
and in the larger scheme of things in the universe.
One person said, when I feel chaotic or frightened, I
must first simply acknowledge the feeling. That's a great idea
to just sit with the feeling in order to gain clarity,
to be able to name it. Sometimes the emotion we
(05:45):
feel really is hidden underneath a different emotion, and we
have to dig to find out what that true feeling is.
For example, anger off in mass, sadness or fear, particularly
what it is sights safe or comfortable to show those
emotions and show our vulnerability. But then once we have
(06:08):
named the emotion we feel, we need to acknowledge it
without judgment or comment, to simply see it for what
it truly is, and then we can work on what
we need to do with it. And then next, the
person said, I got to find the source of that emotion.
When we can do that, determine where a feeling really originates,
(06:32):
then we can really address it. For exam, there have
been times in my life when I have lashed out
at a friend in anger about something she said, when in reality,
the source of my anger was an unresolved wound within me.
Another person in the group talked about how much laughter
(06:53):
and being silly helps her reframe her reactions to her
own behavior and to the world around. This is a
valuable lesson to me because I usually take the world
far too serious. My sweet friend, Jean the Palm Reader,
laughed all the time, and once when I suggested to
(07:13):
her that laughter in a particular situation might not be appropriate,
she responded, someone has to carry the light, So laugh,
I tell myself, and I tell you, but laughing and
being silly is not quite the same as finding joy,
at least for me. So abass myself this week. What
(07:36):
brings me joy, what brings you joy? Joy? For me?
Is a deep sense of peace, of contentment, of balance,
of that feeling of just for a moment, all is
right in the world. So in my daily gratitude journal,
I'm adding a new section to write down things that
(07:57):
bring me joy every day. I invite you to try
that too. Another member of the group said music. We
had a lively discussion about songs that sustain us from
the old days of recording music on cassette Tapesbay remember those,
to creating playlists on internet music sites today. I've always
(08:21):
had playlist in which I compiled particular songs for particular
purposes and emotions and things I was learning. For example,
I have a playlist entitled Hurricane Preparation, one entitled Comfort Songs,
and one entitled Deb's Memorial Party. Yep, that's right. I
(08:44):
want people to listen to my music when I'm gone. Okay,
Music and walking help me, said somebody else. I would
walk all day if I could. Someone else agreed, but
said that she needed quiet solitude in her walking routine.
Another person who was knitting during our meetings said, art,
(09:07):
making art, any kind of art. Creating with my hands
lets my brain, my thoughts, my feelings sort themselves out.
And I agree wholeheartedly with her statement. I can't tell
you how much wisdom and emotional balance I gained while
working on my new book with craft writer Claire Gelder.
(09:30):
I wrote the historical, cultural, and spiritual parts of the book.
The book is entitled Crafting the Wheel of the Year.
That was such a gift to me to be able
to work with her on its project. Just a little
reminder that you can get it and free gifts from
my website Debouen dot com and from Claire's website in
England wolcotur coompany dot com. Somebody else in the group
(09:54):
said nature. I have to be in nature, grounding, touching
the earth, resting my forehead against a tree trunk, diving
into the ocean or a river, having a conversation with
the birds and squirrels in my yard. These are all
ways in which we get in touch with who we
(10:14):
really are deep within us, because in truth, of course,
we are not separate from the natural world, and we,
like all nature, live in this moment in time. Sometime
soon I'll be having an episode about earth wisdom and
how that might resonate with us all. And in the
(10:35):
end of our discussion with this group, somebody said I
often need to remind myself to give myself grace. I
asked her to say more about that. She thought for
a moment and then very quietly said, I am enough.
We all took a collective son, we are enough. You
(10:58):
are enough. We do the best we can with what
we have and what we know and what we believe,
and we live by grace. Just breathe that in for
a moment. We are enough. You are enough. We do
the best we can with what we have and what
(11:21):
we know and what we believe, and we live by grace.
Thank you so much for listening to this many episode
of Psychic Teachers podcast. Samantha and I will be back
together again next week. Please remember to leave a review
on your favorite podcast outlet that helps other people find us,
(11:42):
Join us on our Facebook page, and learn about our
work on our websites. Samantha's website is www dot Samantha
Faye dot com and mine is www Dot Debbowen dot com.
So until next week, please remember to be the light
for yourself and for others. Take care everyone. Thank you
(12:10):
for listening to Psychic Teachers, your podcast for seekers, light workers, mystics,
and magical Thinkers. If you like the show, please tell
a friend or leave us a review wherever you listen
to your podcast. For more information, check out our Facebook
page Psychic Teachers, or our websites Samantha Fay dot com
and deb Bowen dot com. Thanks for listening and have
a great week.
Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host, Am
Bowie with a new installment of My Wisdom from Dead episodes. So,
if it's safe and comfortable for you to do so,
sit back, drop your shoulders, take a deep breath and
close your eyes. And if you can't close your eyes,
(00:38):
at least drop your shoulders and take a deep breath.
So ponder some questions with me. What does it mean
really to seek wisdom? What's the difference between wisdom and knowledge?
How in today's world do we even begin to just
(01:00):
discerned the difference and then trust what we're learning. How
do we know when we are becoming wise not just smart?
And are there different kinds of wisdom? One of the
brilliant thinkers of the world died at the end of June.
American journalist and commentator Bill Moyer's wore many hats over
(01:24):
the years, including working to create the Peace Corps and
the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. However, I imagine most of us
know him from his amazing documentary series with author and
professor Joseph Campbell. Campbell's work is legendary, but this documentary series,
(01:44):
entitled The Power of Myth, was created in such a
way that ancient wisdom is shared so that we, meaning me,
can deeply understand its lessons. The Campbell and Moawyer's documentary series,
along with my eternal search for wisdom through the symbolism
found in to Row, continues to fuel my fascination with
(02:09):
archetypes and mythology and how deeply we are impacted by history, culture,
and world beliefs. I learned something new every time I
read Campbell's work, or watch that documentary series, or pull
a Tarrow Keith, And then I wonder what, just how
(02:29):
wise am I really? Y'all? I'm old, and some days
I think I know lots of stuff, and other days
I don't know anything. As Neil de grass Tyson says,
we don't know what we don't know. Just think about
what we don't know about the cosmos. Check out what
(02:51):
we're just learning about octopuses or orcahs or Azilian other
beings on this planet and beyond. When I think about
how much we don't know yet but a learning about emotions,
I think about Octopus's experiences. I think about my need
(03:12):
to search for better ways in which I can approach
the kaleidoscope of emotions I feel during the course of
the day. Where do these emotions come from? Why do
I sometimes feel I or the world around me is
spinning out of control and there is nothing you can
do about it. Fortunately, I also believe I am wrong.
(03:36):
There are some things I can do, and here's what
I mean. Recently, there was a big legislative issue in
my state that dramatically affects the livelihood of thousands of
people and the coastal environment in which I live. I
stated my opinion in letters, e mails, phone calls, and
(03:57):
text messages repeatedly, as did many other folks. Many people
took valuable time away from their jobs to be very
visible to legislatures at the state capitol on the day
of the vote. Did I do all I could have done?
Probably not, but I tried and the perspective I support one,
(04:18):
at least for a while. But how much difference did
my one voice make I'll never really know, but I
believe it did. Recently, a group of friends and I
talked about things we do or could do to help
us get along through different through difficult times in our lives.
(04:39):
To believe that we do have some wisdom, to feel
a bit of control within ourselves. We talked about personal
struggles as well as our concern for the world around us.
We talked about how we navigate our daily, mundane worlds
and how we explore and find solace from our spiritual worlds.
(05:01):
Each one of us in the conversation touched on something
that troubles us, keeps us awake at night, makes us
doubt our place in the cosmos, causes us to question
our beliefs and practices. We ask ourselves if whatever we
do or don't do matters, both in our immediate situation
(05:23):
and in the larger scheme of things in the universe.
One person said, when I feel chaotic or frightened, I
must first simply acknowledge the feeling. That's a great idea
to just sit with the feeling in order to gain clarity,
to be able to name it. Sometimes the emotion we
(05:45):
feel really is hidden underneath a different emotion, and we
have to dig to find out what that true feeling is.
For example, anger off in mass, sadness or fear, particularly
what it is sights safe or comfortable to show those
emotions and show our vulnerability. But then once we have
(06:08):
named the emotion we feel, we need to acknowledge it
without judgment or comment, to simply see it for what
it truly is, and then we can work on what
we need to do with it. And then next, the
person said, I got to find the source of that emotion.
When we can do that, determine where a feeling really originates,
(06:32):
then we can really address it. For exam, there have
been times in my life when I have lashed out
at a friend in anger about something she said, when in reality,
the source of my anger was an unresolved wound within me.
Another person in the group talked about how much laughter
(06:53):
and being silly helps her reframe her reactions to her
own behavior and to the world around. This is a
valuable lesson to me because I usually take the world
far too serious. My sweet friend, Jean the Palm Reader,
laughed all the time, and once when I suggested to
(07:13):
her that laughter in a particular situation might not be appropriate,
she responded, someone has to carry the light, So laugh,
I tell myself, and I tell you, but laughing and
being silly is not quite the same as finding joy,
at least for me. So abass myself this week. What
(07:36):
brings me joy, what brings you joy? Joy? For me?
Is a deep sense of peace, of contentment, of balance,
of that feeling of just for a moment, all is
right in the world. So in my daily gratitude journal,
I'm adding a new section to write down things that
(07:57):
bring me joy every day. I invite you to try
that too. Another member of the group said music. We
had a lively discussion about songs that sustain us from
the old days of recording music on cassette Tapesbay remember those,
to creating playlists on internet music sites today. I've always
(08:21):
had playlist in which I compiled particular songs for particular
purposes and emotions and things I was learning. For example,
I have a playlist entitled Hurricane Preparation, one entitled Comfort Songs,
and one entitled Deb's Memorial Party. Yep, that's right. I
(08:44):
want people to listen to my music when I'm gone. Okay,
Music and walking help me, said somebody else. I would
walk all day if I could. Someone else agreed, but
said that she needed quiet solitude in her walking routine.
Another person who was knitting during our meetings said, art,
(09:07):
making art, any kind of art. Creating with my hands
lets my brain, my thoughts, my feelings sort themselves out.
And I agree wholeheartedly with her statement. I can't tell
you how much wisdom and emotional balance I gained while
working on my new book with craft writer Claire Gelder.
(09:30):
I wrote the historical, cultural, and spiritual parts of the book.
The book is entitled Crafting the Wheel of the Year.
That was such a gift to me to be able
to work with her on its project. Just a little
reminder that you can get it and free gifts from
my website Debouen dot com and from Claire's website in
England wolcotur coompany dot com. Somebody else in the group
(09:54):
said nature. I have to be in nature, grounding, touching
the earth, resting my forehead against a tree trunk, diving
into the ocean or a river, having a conversation with
the birds and squirrels in my yard. These are all
ways in which we get in touch with who we
(10:14):
really are deep within us, because in truth, of course,
we are not separate from the natural world, and we,
like all nature, live in this moment in time. Sometime
soon I'll be having an episode about earth wisdom and
how that might resonate with us all. And in the
(10:35):
end of our discussion with this group, somebody said I
often need to remind myself to give myself grace. I
asked her to say more about that. She thought for
a moment and then very quietly said, I am enough.
We all took a collective son, we are enough. You
(10:58):
are enough. We do the best we can with what
we have and what we know and what we believe,
and we live by grace. Just breathe that in for
a moment. We are enough. You are enough. We do
the best we can with what we have and what
(11:21):
we know and what we believe, and we live by grace.
Thank you so much for listening to this many episode
of Psychic Teachers podcast. Samantha and I will be back
together again next week. Please remember to leave a review
on your favorite podcast outlet that helps other people find us,
(11:42):
Join us on our Facebook page, and learn about our
work on our websites. Samantha's website is www dot Samantha
Faye dot com and mine is www Dot Debbowen dot com.
So until next week, please remember to be the light
for yourself and for others. Take care everyone. Thank you
(12:10):
for listening to Psychic Teachers, your podcast for seekers, light workers, mystics,
and magical Thinkers. If you like the show, please tell
a friend or leave us a review wherever you listen
to your podcast. For more information, check out our Facebook
page Psychic Teachers, or our websites Samantha Fay dot com
and deb Bowen dot com. Thanks for listening and have
a great week.
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