PFP #87 - Critters

On this episode we discuss the 1986 science fiction comedy horror flick, Critters. We also talk about the new Halloween movie, James Gunn directing Suicide Squad 2 and more. Join us!

Episode Transcript

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Oh Feeling by Tacos, Beer andBloody Mary's the only show featuring Baby Jesus
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Welcome to Punch Farm. I'm Mark, I'm Alicia, I'm Jeff Benny.
And on this episode we're gonna talkabout Critters create the movie Critters from what
nineteen eighties and nineteen eighty six.Before we get there, a little clean
up from the last episode. Wewere talking about Mandy Mandy with the One

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and only America's National Treasure Nick Kayand on our Facebook group, your dad
called us boobs. He was rightbecause we were talking about, like,
well, what if Nick Cage forthis UH character into more of a cinematic
universe, and he's like, youboobs. He was he basically, I

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think it was like, why doyou say what if he was ghostwriter?
We completely forgot he was a Marvelcharacter. Yeah, now I think I
my brain was stuck in UH thems, the current MCU, like bring
Nick m R. Yeah, wherewould he place something like that? In

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your dad's defense, yes, Iforgot he was Ghostwriter all the way.
I forgot that was even a movie, and I want to forget that.
I can't remember every decade old,below average movie that I feel like that
movie. Uh, I liked alittle bit. I liked Nick's Uh.

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I like Nick is with what's theguy's name, Johnny, what's the character's
name? Oh, Ghostwriter? Ohman, your dad's gonna cost boobs again.
You better look looking up quick,Johnny. That's that's what Johnny Blaze?

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Of course, how can we forgetthat? Um? The first movie,
Uh, it was entertaining, Itjust didn't have Yeah, it's just
I mean, and they had SamElliott as like the older Ghostwriter and that
is pretty badass, and it's Sam'sgreat and everything. And they kind of
recreated that one painting where there wasa dude on her motorcycle riding uh with

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a guy on a horse. Ohoh yeah yeah, so I mean in
that aspect it was great. Nowyou remember they did Johnny, they did
Ghostwriter too, where he was pissingfire. Yeah, thankfully, say,
I've never seen it. What Ilike is Wolf Coop on the dude's pissing
and that's how you find out he'sturning into a great use of going to

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the bathroom in a penis. Yeah, if you're showing a penis in the
movie, it should be because you'retransforming into a werewolf. Yeah, not
five minutes of it like some othermovies did. Right, how are you
talking about Mandy? Yeah, Ithink it's five minutes, but it felt
like ten. It felt like inthe turn time to really study, I
can thinking that I'm a lineup forsure. Yeah. Yeah. Now it's

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October. Have you guys been likedevouring any horror movies? I haven't yet.
I was just away for the lastweek in the Midwest, and I
had just my wife. When wepulled up to the house the other day,
she says, ooh, we gottabuy pumpkins. I said, yeah,
in the next week or two.I'm like, oh shit, that's
it now, i gotta do itnow. Yeah, I've missed it so

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far, but I'm gonna go nutsthe next three weeks. Now. You
just yeah, you just put ona plane ride to the Midwest. Is
there anything like any horror movies poppingyour head when you're flying, Like you
look out in the wing and there'sa gremlin charing snakes on the plane.
Oh, I think I'd rather havea Grimlin charing an engine on that.
Yeah, right, Uh, Ireally liked it. I know that it's

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lame that Red Eye with Rachel mccadams'stoo. I actually that was good and
I like it. I mean it'ssimilar to Alien, although not nearly as
good. Or it's haunted house butyou can't walk out the door. You
know, it's solving the problem ofall that is great onto the house movies
that just leave. But yeah,I liked that one. Yeah, we're

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we're a little behind him watching somehard stuff. Yeah, yeah, I
know. We did watch Hell HouseLLC two. Yeah, same here.
Um, that was good, worthwatch if he enjoyed the first one.
What was that new one on Netflix? We just watch? Uh you mean
the Netflix original? Yeah? Intothe Dark. No, we did not

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watch that. I haven't watched it. Interesting. It's almost like a sinker,
like I need to to not havea beer or maybe just one.
Yeah, but the trailer for itwas really creepy. But I don't think
the movie. Uh uh. Iwas kept calling it mail volent just the
way they did the typography. Itlooks like mail and then there's a big

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V. Yeah, it was allright. Yeah, it wasn't bad.
You you liked it more than Idid. I did. Yeah, it
was interesting that it was like agroup going in to do like a ghost
investigation. Uh. And the sisterwas like a sensitive to the spirits.

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But it was they were just theywere scammers. Oh okay, they were
just scamming. But were they wellI don't want to spoil it because it's
new. Yeah, but were theyand stuff happens and things go down?
Um, but it was but itwas all right. Yeah. Did you
guys get to try and rewatch theum the Japanese found footage one? No,

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no dung dun style No, notquite that it was something about a
haunted asylum. Yeah, yeah,I sat. I got h the subtitles
fixed so it's correct. Now wortha watch, Okay, even though it's
all subtitled pretty good found footage movie. I still haven't watched The Train to

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Busan because of subtitles. I haveto get over subtitles. Yes, that
I suffer for a zombie movie.That's one of the says. I'm gonna
put that in my list for October. Okay, because they're already talking about
doing a remake of it, soapparently it was that good. Is there
any movies you guys like must watchduring the October Uheen one and two or

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a big every single year? Ido at least those two, and Lady
in White is another one that Ido. You gotta watch it. It's
as far as just Halloween movies go, it doesn't get much better. It's
centered around Halloween. It's Lucas Haweswhen he's real young. I don't know
old Lucas Hawes either, so,but yeah, it's um it's a town

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that has an eighth that has likea decade to old ghost story. He
kind of gets thrust in the middleof it. Ghost story doesn't go exactly
how you think it's gonna go.It's okay, it's really it's got real
scares. It's really fun. It'salmost like if like leave It to Beaver
was mixed with whatever, like agreat ghost story, like because there's really

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cool kind of like it's it's it'sfrom the eighties obviously Lucas Howes, but
there's cool like small town fun boykind of stuff, but then the scares
are real. Yeah. Yeah,I like that. I think it's either
on Netflix or Amazon Prime right nowtoo, So yeah, it's I love
it now go ahead. Oh,I was gonna say. My friend Aaron.

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She actually gave me a list yesterdayUM of movies that she just has
to watch in October. I can'tremember most of them, but her number
one is Sleepaway Camp, which isbut yeah, I like trick or treat
like the most. I got ashout out to Aaron on this one,
so I know you're listening. Sheloves Sleepaway Camp. She even went h

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one Halloween as Angela, the maincharacter. Um. She tweeted yet and
tweeted. She instagrammed yesterday I thinkshe hashtag the actress or the movie whatever.
She said watching Sleepway Camp because it'sOctober and I must. And then
Felissa Rose, the actress from themovie. She re instagram five hearts yeah,

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and that sent Aaron into the happyplace. She was very happy.
Yeah, she was like freaking out. We met her as she rose.
She was so so nice. Shewas really nice. Aaron sent me her
UM DVD cover for for so Icould go get it signed by She said,

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it all the way from Germany sowe could take it to Massachusetts,
get it signed, put it backand envelope and mail it back to Germany.
Yeah, we did it. Weeven got her in a little extra
did we Yep? We did.Yep. I think it was it a
pen or something to do with Ican't I can't remember now, but it
was. It was really cool tosee her, and I thought I was

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going to be really cool when Iwas talking to her, but then I
kind of started freaking out. SoI was like super awkward, and I
was just say that I can takea picture you guys. I was just
like, I'm feeling awkward now too. It was embarrassing. I'm I decided
the other day, I'm like mostpeople, I'm sure I'm gonna go to

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see Halloween in the theater. I'mnot gonna wait months for v O D.
I'm gonna go see it. Ithink it's gonna be kick ass.
I agree, but I gotta watchthe first one before because right so we
know this is technically kind of gonnabe directe. Yeah, I know.
We've talked about it probably every episode. Every saw the first preview. I

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don't understand cutting out the second one. It doesn't it doesn't take away anything
other than he just kept going.But it really doesn't add a whole lot.
But there's no, but I don'tget the point of saying though it
doesn't exist. Yeah, because goingto obviously skipping season of the Witch going
from four to five that well,I'm just saying and Cannon four to five,

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that adds a whole bunch of stuff. Two doesn't say anything the same,
say the next morning, Yeah,because one still ends with Loomis and
Jamie Lee Curtis looking over the Yeah. Yeah, and the body's not being
there. Why not keep it going? Is it anything to do with Like
Carpenter didn't want to du part two, and he came on to write it,

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like, well rather than not megmoney, Uh fine, I'll write
it for you to make money maybe, even though he was like, I
just I don't see the point tohave part two, was like this was
it? Yeah, if that's whatJohn Carpenter wants, fine, Yeah,
I love John at least you knowwith the stuff I'm really on the internet.

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Uh, he's really on board withthis one. Yes, he was
apprehensive, naturally, but he sawthe script. He actually because the music
is updated a little bit, whichI'm usually totally Again, it's like the
Rocky music and Rocky five when itgets the horrible but but it came up
again. It sounds really good.It sounds like it's it's instantly still familiar.

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Yeah. Um yeah, I can'twait. I'm really excited. I
can't wait. I'm definitely going tothe theater. Hopefully it's kick ass um
and you know, you think aboutit like Danny McBride, who I actually
love, um, I mean asan actor and as a writer, as
a performer. I mean, he'shilarious, very fun. I a big
fan of Eastbounding Down. Yes,and I think him and as Buddy Jody

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if you can't, I can't rememberhis last name, they're the ones that
kind of wrote this. Yeah,they had the guys that wrote Eastbounding Down,
which is which is outstanding. Ifyou haven't seen it, I think
you'd probably get it now. Ohyeah, now because it wasn't HBO.
Yeah, it's it's great and DannyMcBride just crushes it. He might be

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one of the funniest dudes in likein HBO TV series. Oh, but
he was great in uh oh itwas another HBO show, Vice Press,
Vice Principles. Yeah, so HBOmust love him for those guys to write
this, I'm really curious. Willthere be like humor beats in it,
or are they such lovers of thehorror genre that they're not going to screw

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around and try to make a comedy. They know the genre, they love
Halloween. I don't know, it'shard. Well, it feels like is
they love this movie? You know, like maybe they love the genre too,
But what it feels like is,you know, it's at least as
far as slashers go, this isthe pantheon, theween is, that's one

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A, that's that's That's the slashermovie of all time. It feels like
they just grew up with and lovedthat movie and just have had this idea
for a long time. Because thisisn't like they've redone the script, but
it's not a new script that they'redoing. This is one that he and
his body wrote a while ago thatthey've been wanting to do for a long
time. And it's funny because Ithink I've talked about this on a past

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episode. We're talking maybe last year. But when I was junior high,
I wrote, I guess she wrotethis girl I went to school with.
We like Halloween, always talked aboutwe wrote a sequel because we didn't like
Halloween too I have the envelope upstairswith it. Go get it. Let's

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reenact it. Oh my god,that's excellent. Well, now, yeah,
we were we were kids, soI'm in the movie. Uh,
I can't remember. If I survivoragain, I'll dig this out and we'll
do a dramatic that would be great. So obviously, Uh, A lot
of people tried to write a sequelto Halloween. These guys, by all

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everything I'm reading, they nailed it. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.
I love Halloween too. I loveHalloween three. They're not the same as
the other ones, right, HALLOWEENOis just a halloed house movie and it's
funny. I'm glad. I'm gladthat you just said that, because I
love Halloween three. Yeah, Jeffdoes not love Hollow. He can't get
over it. Name it, justname it Season of the Witch. Yeah,

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everybody loves it. It's a greatYes, you're crazy, is it?
Is it? Because it says no? What else do you hate about
it? It's the whole Tom Mackis drinking beer and we all know you
have a broke crush on him withhis mustache. We've heard it many times.
That's a guy. Super cool.No, it's just the whole concept

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of putting on these masks that basicallymake your head melt. The villain in
the movie was going to murder kidsto accomplish his mission. Like it's a
pretty that's a villain. I didnot enjoy it. I'm sorry. I
don't know what else to say.Now, Uh, you should watch the

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Blu ray version. All right,I'll have to watch it again. It's
not going to make your hate I'mand the rewatch them. We're going to
talk about it in part in thenext episode. Oh yeah, bringing it
back. I'm sure we're going tobe watching it soon anyway. So,
so, also, did you guyssee what dropped today the trailer for pet
Cemetery. Yeah, I didn't watchit yet. I read again. That's

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another one. I read the headline. I haven't watched it yet. I
saw the video on my tablet,but I don't have sound on it.
I had turned that off a longtime ago. Um, so I don't
know exactly how the trailer's gonna be. I need to watch it with sound
because I don't want to be trouble. So yeah, I'm at work and

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my coworker, she has a tendencyof playing videos with the sound on and
it drives me nuts. So Idon't want to be that person. True,
but neither one of us had hadto have headphones. I'm sorry,
I'm having a really hard time talkinganyway. Yeah, I checked it out.
I was like, I'm in thatcamp where it doesn't mean that cemetery

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is we just watched it six monthsago. Yeah. Um, and even
when you know Gage walks out ofthe road and gets hit with the truck,
You're like, holy, I meanI can't believe they did this,
um, because it was like reallylistened, like a huge strong response when
you see it, and then againburying the kid and he comes back,

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and I don't how do you recreatethat the creepiness that that that actor.
It looks like they're gonna do itagain. And the trailer and Herman Munster,
I mean, that's really disappointed.Close. We can look it up.
Yeah, he was fantastic fred ww w W. But I watched

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the trailer and I'm like, becauseI think they got they who is I
think I think it looks good.Um, the guy that replaces Fred Wynn,
he does not look familiar. Isfamiliar? Oh my God, it
just fell out out of my hotinsidious. No, it's because I kept
watching and the conjuring guy, theconjuring guy, I don't think so,

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because I kept looking and it's like, who is that? Because he does
not look familiar really, yeah,just not. He looks familiar to me.
But maybe I've seen others stuff thatyou guys haven't. I don't know.
Everyone's on their phone, everyone's lookingeverybody where. We got it,
we got it, We'll get ithere. Two. Yes, that's who
it was. That guy. God, what a bunch of idiots, As

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your dad said, Benny, whata bunch of boobs. I thought you
were talking about this. Wow thatseriously, there was that beard. If
that does not look like him,it does, but it does. But
I'm with you. There was afew uh scenes to begin the trailer.
I'm like, who is this guy? And then there's one scene like,
holy crap, it's John Lithgow.Wow. John Lithgow is great. I

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didn't care a lot of things.He doesn't have the same presence that Fred
Winn does, just as I mean, he's he's a large yeah like that
his voice, Yeah, oh Ido like Jason Clark though, Wait,
who what else was Jason Clark wasin the second of the current um plan

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of the Apes trilogy. That's whoI was thinking. He was in Lawless.
I don't know if you ever sawit. Weird because as John Ligow
was in the first Terminator, yeahplayer of the Apes, John Liftgow,
he was in the first. Ohyeah, he was the dad. Yeah
yeah, man, I'll tell youthat performance. Yes, that he gave
him that great I think he mademe cry tear up a bit because he

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was great. That's what I loveabout that trilogy. And I'll keep this
short because I love that trilogy ofmovies. Every single one was different.
Ever, it was a totally differentstyle of movie. The first one,
uh was just a character development ofdrama esque kind of movie, I said,
going straight up action, just straightbattles the whole time. And the

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third one was kind of a bothwell, it was great. I think
Annie Sarkis should have won an Oscarfor Caesar and that third one, uh
oh. I love those movies somuch. I love everything. We saw
the third one in the theater andmy wife and my daughter were crying at
the end of and they weren't alone. I'm gonna say I'm pretty sure.
I was crying. I love plasticmovie. Speaking of fantastic movies, this

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might not be on your list ofone of those. It should be.
We watched Critters. We're gonna talkabout Critters. Now. This was my
idea because I saw it. Isaw it was on Amazon Prime. Then
it wasn't. It was just availableto rent something like that. Why'd you
trick me? Or maybe I wasn'tor I was tricked in the beginning because

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I was like, Oh, it'seither Pumpkinhead or Critters, and and this
article is what it was like,Let's watch Critters, guys, because I
told you guys at the bar,it's based on a true story. Yep,
that's what you said. And ofcourse Jeff said, f you,
that's complete bullshit. That's not whatI read. Now, Okay, here

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we go. Let me tell youquick, let me guess scroll back up
here. Okay. This was calledthe Kelly Hopkinsville Encounter, one of the
most bizarre and convincing alien events ever. What it happened in nineteen fifty five,
So two families in Hopskinville, Kentucky, uh survived one of the craziest
alien encounters. So anyway, um, they saw streaks across the sky a

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bullet point this for everybody. Thenaliens tried to break into their house.
A firefight broke out, as inguns and stuff, okay, and of
course, and the police started investigatingthis attack. Everybody in Hospinville became very
obsessed with the story, and somepeople said it was just owls. We

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okay, okay, uh. Andthe kicker is the families probably weren't sober.
I've heard of this story before thealien encounter. The aliens came back,
yep, because you know we gotthere's multiple Uh. Also exactly like

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the Staircase the documentary if you everwatched the husband got put away because he
was supposedly pushed his wife. Ohyes, I didn't watch that. Yeah,
but then the result was, well, no, she was probably just
drunken. Owls were involved. Yeah, but they say it inspired the B

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movie Critters. That's now you canfind I've never heard I've heard of that
UFO encounter. Yeah, just up, but I never heard it hyphen Hopkinsville.
Yeah, encounter. It read thestory, it's pretty funny. I
do love the fact that some peopletheorized that they were hammered and they were
just fight. Yeah, I cantotally see that. I love the fact

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that somebody read this story, heardthis story, and then was inspired to
write a script about aliens coming downand messing with the family on their farm.
See, I've I've read something elsetoday when I was looking up about
a little bit about this. Ithas nothing to do with that. It
was an I guess what you wouldcall an original script to and it was

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you line's answer to Gremlin's. Becausethis came out just the year after,
that sounds way more logical. Yeah, well I heard is that obviously distinctions
or obviously um similarities were pointed outbetween the two. Oh yeah, and
that the director Steve Harrick or somethingI think his name was, said that

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the writer Dominic Mirror or something hadthe script written long before Gremlins came out,
which always which the first thing Ithought was, so when you saw
something that came out similar, youthought your script was so good become it
could overcome a movie that was assuccessful as Gremlins. I still thought had

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a reasonable spot to be made becausethat answer would be no. I had
a lot of fun watching the movie, but nothing about that script says,
yes, this movie has to bemade this. This means so much to
me. Now I remember. Now, if you're not familiar with the movie,
did you go watch it? Butyou've probably seen it. Um it's
been out since what nineteen eighty six? Yeah, I do love that It

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starts on some prison. Uh yeah, and we just get like a lot
of voice over like, oh theprisoners blah blah blah, thanks Skate.
We don't know what kind of prisonsthey are, but they do send these
bounty hunters after him, the headlessor faceless. Yeah, there's a couple

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of seas. Now. This wasalso all the special effects were done by
the Tioto brothers. Probably said thatwrong. Yeah, they did Gioto Gioto.
They did uh killer Kiolens from outerspace. Okay, guys probably heard
of that one. Yeah, um, but I I love the tiny little
balls of fury. Yeah yeah,baby, and they were strong, they'll

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mess. They based on the designof this character of the the whatever they're
called, christ On Tas the TasmanianDevil. Yeah, I tell now,
Yeah for sure. When I firstsaw this way back. When are you
guys familiar with the Dark Crystal?Oh yeah, yeah, the one character

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in the Dark Crystal. I believeit's called fizz Wig or something like that.
Looks exactly like. I have abrother in law who is a huge
dude. Just he's a big strongday he got drafted of the high school
to play baseball, declined again outof just a big dude, great athlete,

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really strong guy. Cannot watch horrormovies to this day because he watched
The Dark Crystal. So we alljust assault him. Oh absolutely, yea,
and it's not that scary. Imean it's a pussy Yeah, you
know what, I remember Dark Crystalbeing kind of terrify. I mean,
it's kind of freaky at spots,but I wouldn't say it's scary. Well,

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but I mean when we were startingto watch this movie last night,
um, I started having like apanic attack because this movie, this one
specifically, Um, it traumatized me. As it is it because the dad
is is unable to defend his family, is the worst of any character and

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any supposed to be a farmer manof the land. No movie has a
guy that says I'm going to defendall of you and does a worst job.
Yeah bad, stay back, I'mgetting Yeah, let me take one
gun down off the wall, andyeah, what they had you know even
Yeah, so the uh so there. I love the dialogue on the prison

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camp. Uh. Eight of thecrites is stolen the ship. What do
you mean they're supposed to be ten. Well they got a little unruler.
We had to kill two of them. Yeah, they were eating everything.
That's not the exact dialogue, butit was. I guess they were trying
to clue us in at once theystart feeding. Yeah, you have to
put them down situation. Yeah,they crash land at this farm, which

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I I really enjoy that because itis always like some rural farm uh out
in camp as this where people seethis guy well in the real story Kentucky.
Um. And then immediately uh,once they crashed landed there like feed
right, and we get the ohmy cow has been viscerated because aliens are

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always screwed. Well, that wasn'teviscerated. That was just it was it
a lot. Yeah, but Ilike that. We get yeah, we
get the cow like, oh acow has been mutilated? What's up again?
Do we have? We do have? The one character is like hell
bat like aliens are real. Yeah, yeah, he's the he's the town

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drunk. Yeah. They make theone guy that believes in aliens. The
drunk of course, and the restof them all like consumed with bowling.
Yeah, well, I mean he'sthe one that's tearing radio waves in his
fillings, which they did play thatup for a couple of funny moments.
I did enjoy that. Yeah.Yeah, the the of course, the
deputies, the cot the sheriffs there, they're like just bad. Yeah,

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they're like, I mean, they'reright out of like Duke's Hazard cops.
They can't catch anything. Yeah.They dragged their car poorly, kind of
like ditch. Yeah. Well yeahthat scene where you see the cop driving
down the road, one of thecrates runs across just right out in front
of him and he just right intoa ditch. Why he didn't hit his
brakes, he just swerved into aditch. Yeah. And then and then

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trying to take like dispatch album adate or something, right, and the
dispatch. The dispatcher was Linna fromThe Insidious Movies. Oh, she was
also the Woody Harrison's landlord in thebeginning of Kingpin Special Favors for because he
was late on his rent. Yeah, that's right, is hilarious. Yeah,

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she's awesome. This is I wonderif it's like one of her first
roles because it was like she wasvery young. Yeah, yeah, very
young. So it was de Waller. Yeah, this was after Et classic
Scream Queen, after Hills of Eyes, after Eating Yea, was it after
Hills? Yeah? Hills is seventyseven or oh yeah, I guess it

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was, wasn't it because this isafter then, because this was after a
Nightmare, which was which built NewLine Cinema for them, saved them from
bankruptcy. And this is New LineCinema a couple of years right, Yeah,
I couldn't miss that right up front. I know it doesn't that give
you a great that Right when Istarted watching, it's like, whatever this
movie does, I'm gonna have funbecause this is a couple of years after
the first Freddie movie. And yeah, and there is a scene where critters

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looking at a stuffed animal, stuffeddoll of Et. Yeah, and he
asked them, who are you?Yeah, trying to poke in him,
trying to say something. It's like, wow, marketing, right, that's
what this made me think of though, more than anything else is just the
lame side of it, like thelicensing kind of stuff, like things don't

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happen like this anymore or that arejust direct rip offs, just so obvious
kind of Well, I think it'sbecause the lawyers are out more now exactly
like they wouldn't love about the moviesin the eighties. I love that there
got to be the A one andthe B one. I love that that
kind of stuff got to happen,that they would have all these different and

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that the B one would still havereally fun elements to it. Yeah,
you know, I'm surprised that theyactually had. That's a legit et doll.
They're making fun of most movies youhave to have like a serialized version,
like that's not eat, it's youknow, yeah, I don't know,

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but I did, wait, Ido have a question, very report
it. I keep going like therewas a scene when they start feeding.
Was that one critter eating the chicken? Fucking the chicken? I couldn't.
I thought that was okay, Well, I thought I thought I would be
the only one that felt that waythough. I thought that point was eating,

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but that eating with the hent dothat right? He might have been
doing both, right, Oh that'strue. Oh com no. But see
but at the end, as againwe're jumping forward, but at the end
when uh, everything's resolved, whichwe'll get to that there's a resolution.
I'm like, this is so stupid. But anyway, whenever thing's good,

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they kind of cut to the shotof these critter eggs and the cop.
So I was like, so hewas, I don't know, they're obviously
like sexual beings though. If theyhave like the son, the mom,
the dad, the fat cop andthey take like the hot the other back

(32:39):
to the ship, you know,like they're right, they're clearly Yeah.
I didn't even think about the uhbecause I was like, why are they
back to them? Yeah? Iwas like, why don't they just eat
her? No, the flight theyneed eat to make more critters. Yeah,
I didn't. And apparently they canjust mate with everything, maybe including

(33:04):
the chicken, because there was therewas critter eggs at the end, and
they were even like making a littlenoise, yeah, which was so stupid.
Yeah. I did like the Ireally really really liked that the two
bounty hunters they were faces that couldmorph into anything when they were, you

(33:25):
know, looking up Earth first timeEarth. They need to study Earth and
figure things out. The one facelessbounty Hunter was watching like an MTV videos.
Steele of the night was the song. They used that song several times.
Yeah, I'd probably cost him somemoney for that one. And that

(33:46):
guy Terrence Man was the actor's name. Also weird that that's the same name
of James Oldrinson Field of Dreams asTerrence Man, though he was like the
great writer from the sixties Terrence Man'sname, But that guy Terrence Man the
actor the next year started the roleof Javer and lay Miss on Broadway,

(34:07):
like he was the original Inspectors,which how do you go from you know
what the most popular Broadway. Ithink I've read online that he did every
single Critters movie. Wow, yeah, I believe that. Yeah, but

(34:28):
I thought that was really cool,especially because it was a whole eighties yeah
cheesy uh singer thinging jig. Butthe other guy who was having trouble yeah
uh finding a suitable look for histransformation just on the faces like me,
he just kept transforming into people hewas meeting, right, So even when

(34:49):
he transformed into the cop that wasdead, it was dead. Even his
face was like marked up, likeall right, that's that's funny because you
could have fixed that, but youwere like, no, that's what I
saw. Yeah, And he justkept doing it, which I thought was
a fun prank because people were justvery confused and scared. Yeah, you
know what that scene reminded me ofthough, when they were choosing their faces,

(35:10):
especially the guy that couldn't figure hisout. It looked very similar to
Empire Strikes Back when Darth Vader istalking to the hologram of the Emperor and
has the helmet removed and it isin that kind of yeah. But I
thought but that scene was added though, right like, because I thought,
oh, they're just that looks somuch like the Empire Strikes Back scene.

(35:30):
But I think that that was oneof the ones that was other than ninety
eight or whenever. I can't remember, just the way with the ball because
the guy was hading bad. Itjust scars and the hologram of the guy
kind of telling them well, ohyeah, yeah, yes, yes,
I know what you're talking about.I don't think it was a recut or
anything, because I've seen this movietwenty times. Empire, you're saying,

(35:53):
or no crops. Yeah, no, I'm saying. I'm saying this when
I was younger. That's a statement, bro. When I was in Empire
was out of the Oh oh,I got your bat nixed up. Okay,
I've seen The Empire well over twentyten times, but I'm pretty sure
Predators is about two times. Now. When I was younger, when this
first came out, I watched itall the time. It was just one

(36:15):
of those guilty pleasures. Did youguys have any concerns that the what we're
gonna call him, maybe eleven ortwelve year old kid m hm, thirteen
maybe was building bombs? No,not at all, because that's what I
did that time of dumb shit whenYeah, but he was building, like

(36:38):
yeah, well, even the smallestfirecracker made. Did you notice that every
explosion was the exact same sound effect. Yes, so even the smallest one
was like and then the biggest onewas the exact same sound. That was
hilarious. Yeah, that was whenI was at age. I did the
same thing. No, but hewas building. He blew He was able

(37:01):
to build a bomb. Well,that last one's bedroom and it blew up
a ship. The entire that waslike, I think we're gonna be Oh,
he had it in his pipe.He was walking around with it in
his Yeah, I think we're gonnabe a little all over the place and
not follow the story, which ispretty predictable. Yea, the movie when
his sister is with Billy's Ane futureBilly's Ane now and we're Offamilli, you're

(37:28):
with the bald, beautifully bald Billy'sAne. He had great hair, great
hair and a rat tail. Yeahdriving maybe maybe he a couple of years
after this baldness hit him, andthere was a there was a moment where

(37:50):
the one dude was gonna sling shot. I don't know what. Oh,
he was trying to hit the cokecan. Yeah, with the sling shot.
Totally directly behind the coke can washis sister. But also that Yeah,
I'm like, you got it?Are you really hit the porch?
Because I couldn't remember. Of courseit hit his sisters, but which started
fight the kid through the when BillyZane and his sister were messing around it,

(38:15):
which was what twenty five minutes ofmaking out like they've been kissing for
twenty five minute, Like if youread like the plot descriptions, when his
sister and Billy Zane whatever his namewas in the movie Stephen were about to
have sex, were they they pulledup to that barn so long ago?

(38:37):
Yeah? Anyway, Well, thatwhen he strewed a firecracker into that,
I was gonna say gremlin, butin the crate's mouth, And it didn't
blow up at all. It justfell over. So how can it go
at the end? Well, itwas a ship, yeah, but it
was just a small little firecracker comparedto the one that looked like it kill
it. And I did like thata shotgun was obliterate. Yeah, yeah,

(39:02):
that seemed they have weapons, sowhat booby? And then the humans
proceed to not use the shotgun appropriatethey only took And that's the other thing
about And I really had a lotof fun watching this movie. And I
would prefer not to make any sense, that any sense, and then make

(39:24):
some sense, and I would Iwould prefer that doesn't make any sense.
But that's the other thing. Thatis the worst fucking dad ever and husband
ever, that de Wallace gets thegun. Who knows what she's doing.
She's a badass, she's been inthese movies before. She knows what she's
doing. You don't tell her whenshe fires that last shot that that's your
last shot, Say well, hehas been poisoned, he's been bitten.

(39:46):
Hand me more rounds. He goesthat was it. Yeah, tell her
before that was because she was firingthat will over there. Tell her that
they had three guns, Like,yeah, yeah, there was there were
god, all of the place.Go out there. But even when they
ran upstairs, like you're gonna leavethat gun, Yeah, I know you're

(40:06):
being attacked. Yeah, and rightwere again we're gonna be all over the
place. But that's the sun.When he was up there with the bounty
hunters, he was just having fun. Oh yeah, absolutely, like it
stopped being serious for him. Hewas just having fun up there, looking
around, going in the closets andship at least what happened. And these

(40:27):
Bounty Hunters were supposed to be likethe best, the best. They were
the worst. They were like practicallystormtroopers. They could not hit anything.
Well, remember that was brought upat the very beginning the UH when they
said calling the Bounty Hunters the aliendude, I guess in charge of the
prison said I trust you not tobe so destructive as your last mission.

(40:52):
So I guess they were the reputationa blow with everything up. That's what
they did church at bowling. Yeah, even the toilet critter trying to flush
himself down the toilet to get away. I don't know what he's doing,
that's what he's doing. So ratherthan use like a small uh caliber weapon
or even a knife, he useshis uh the bazookas they're carrying around well

(41:15):
and explodes the toilet everywhere. I'mnot even sure if he got the critter.
Yeah he didn't, because he blewup and then went yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah's right. Downs Haveyou ever seen Midnight Run with Charles
Crowding? Awesome movie, It's hilarious, is one of my favorite books ever.
But one point, Charles grow,you guys are the worst bounty hunters.
These guys are. Yeah no,they never would have caught and they

(41:39):
I mean, the kid did allthe work for him, and he was
a dumb kid, like like hewasn't even for as these movies go,
one of the better kids. Hewas just dump. I'm back to the
dad when trying to find help,and they're saying, who's gonna go out
for help? Of course it's notgonna be you. Dad. You've had

(42:00):
three tries out of now, andyou fucked up every single all of those
tries. You've just gotten obliterated bythese tiny things. So you let your
son go yeah, because he's like, just go ride fast. Well he
couldn't even walk at that point,he couldn't even walk. Yeah. I
did like when he sent the kidlike, Okay, you're gonna ride to
get the sheriff and ride like you'venever ridden before. What he walks out

(42:22):
and then one critter standing there byhis bike and the critter just pushes over.
I'm like, oh, like bringit. Yeah, I was like,
whoa. The critters had pulled abully moment on the kid right,
felt like size in them up.I did actually like like the rolling of
the critters that I thought that waskind of fun, like sound like the
head. That would be terrifying ifyou're trying to run away and they're much

(42:42):
more balls of teeth coming at you. Yeah. Yeah, well in the
one part there when they're rolling afterhim and then just closed the gate of
the little picket fence and that stopsthe critters. Well that's why I thought
when d Wallis screamed them the windowsyet, is that gonna do anything?
Do? These things don't have anopen and those, of course they can
fly a space pore up your bitchhusband, over and over and over again.

(43:05):
Do you think they're not going toknow how to break a window.
Well, there was a scene likedid you call it out? Like he
hears the noise on the roof,opens the windows. That's because his kid
was trying to sneak out and theysaw the UFO. His dad like makes
his whole effort to close the windowthat just comes open again. All right,
Yeah, I'm sure the actors like, shit, can't get it.

(43:27):
I gotta continue off my lines.But even you were like, but he
didn't shut the window. I know, it just started kind of creeping open
a little bit. Yeah. Itwas kind of driving me nuts because I
was like, they have like theworst draft going on in their house now
because they can't shut the windows.It's it's really funny like thinking about like

(43:47):
the whole movie, and I thinkthe whole thing is eighty six minutes.
I think if I remember, yeah, very short sixty and in the exact
same movie, I'm like, howoften can she say that about a very
short movie. It's like, yeah, the dollar used to date another boy.
No, I don't even need thewhole Yeah, yeah, I don't

(44:09):
need to know any of that.Well I paused to get a beer.
I'm like we're almost done. Ifeel like we just got introduced very right.
It's it's pretty silly. But mostmovies back in the eighties, ninety
minutes was the run times, andprobably a lot of it was when you
know, it's a blatant ripoff ofGrumlins. We're not gonna spend two months

(44:30):
show it. Yeah, you've gottwo weeks. Then here's a million dollars,
make ten million dollars and we're good. Was there? I guess if
you feed enough, the critters likethat because of what world got big?
Yeah, we got big and itwalked like a human. I like that.
That's like that was okay, thatwas a message. Yeah, I
wonder how big they could get.I'm sure I wonder if these secrets said

(44:51):
they said something like there was nolimit or once one down said something like
that at one point, but Idon't remember. Well, definitely no limit
when they're hunting them, because thoseguys couldn't hit anything. Yeah, but
they did eventually. Yeah. Actually, Charlie and the kids, I forget

(45:12):
the kids had Brad, Brad.I don't remember Brad right now. Charlie
was the town drunk. Did nobodybelieved that one of the Bounty Hunters transformed
his face into look like Charlie's.But they're the ones that came up because
the kid builds bombs in his bedroom. Right, Yeah, he had a
bomb somehow chucked it on there.Charlie, being the town drunk, pulled

(45:35):
out a bottle of jim beam ofcocktail chucked it in the back of the
spaceship as the door was closing.Hey maybe he used to play beast.
Oh, I feel like I didlike that though. When the when they're
the critters were trying to escape Earthon their ship, before they knew there
was a bomb on it. Uh, they stopped to do a giant Dick
move and blew up the farmhouse.Actually it was over because yeah, the

(46:00):
critters shoot the farmhouse, totally blowit up. Then the firecracker goes off
blows up their spaceship over the alreadydidn't blow up the house. Charlie and
the kid would have blown it upanyway. Yeah, it's thought that as
funny that the curs we're leaving.They say, yeah, you know what
though, when they were laughing andshit, when they were up in the

(46:21):
one bedroom, they were literally justtearing it apart um and I think at
that point, I was like,wow, what dicks? No, No,
they were dicks. Yeah, wellright, they absolutely were dicks.
I liked. Um. I mean, first of all, if your farmhouse
gets blown up and then magically comesback together, do you feel safe walking

(46:42):
around? So the movie I thoughtwas silly, but I was having a
good time. I had a lotof fun. Yes, except I'm like,
I don't understand why the Bounty Huntershave a magical button that makes the
house that coda going reverse. Itjust ended right, Yeah, so the
house explodes for everybody listening to ifyou haven't watched it, or if you
haven't watched it, and then thethe Bounty Hunters give Brad uh Is Bill

(47:08):
Buckle call me, Yeah, okay, call you. That's weird um.
And then as they're staying there,the the thing he gave and starts beeping,
and then the house starts magically.I think he pushed the button going
yeah, everybody is going back together, which is fine, but things burn.

(47:28):
Yeah you no, I did tellI looked at that roof. I
said that roof ain't good. Thatso yeah, for me, I was
like, you know what I think? Well, they ended with their house
exploded there it's right. They yeah, that was done. I also love
but like at that point, Ifeel like there's like a three or four

(47:50):
or five year span in the eightieswhere Molotov cocktails were like the soltall like
that. Oh yeah, that wasthe thing. Like every movie has a
few deal where like this is what'sgonna even like Max Paine the video game
if you haven't yes, like thatwas the thing, Like there would be
levels you couldn't beat unless you threwone of those. Like it was just
like that was a thing that nukecouldn't you drow? Uh? That was

(48:13):
in Duke Nukem. No, hehad pipe bombs. Okay, Well,
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like that house that magically, uhput itself back together, We're back.
I hated that scene so much.If that wouldn't been the last scene,
I would have probably turned it offanyway. Like I said, like to
survive an alien attack. I'm okayif they blew my house, but I

(50:37):
lived right. I'm not sure whythey wanted to be like everybody lives happily
ever after. They wanted to giveit a happy ending, but it was
nobody died, But who were you? There were two people but died of
the main family. Well, okay. That was the other thing that struck
me though, is because the sisterssaying, Billy's Ane's dead, Billy's Ane's

(50:59):
dead. The mom doesn't even goup in that loft of the barns.
No one goes to check, Noone cares, and they didn't like it.
They didn't like him. I know, the dad didn't like him.
Yeah, I guess driving and youknow what, the the deputy. Uh,
nobody liked him either. So nobodyreally Yeah, only the people they

(51:21):
didn't like in the movie had diedonly if things worked out. Well,
we don't know what happened necessarily atthe bar, because remember the bounty hunters
at the bar they ended blow itup. There was a couple of tough
guys there. Yeah they got toYeah, okay, maybe they all died
too, who knows. Yeah,we didn't see the aftermath of the big

(51:43):
gun love though. That um whenthey were in the police station later with
that dispatchula they trying to wake upand I'm at Walsh whatever is the horror
in the movie? Uh uh theyhad like that whole crowd of people behind
her. It was the bar andthey already had like a neck brace on
the like crutching. Yeah, thathappened like fifteen minutes. That's a real

(52:07):
good hospital. Yeah, even withevery So there's a scene where everybody's at
the church and the reverence uh youknow, laying down, Yeah, sod
of me, which I was like, that's pretty weird. That people are

(52:29):
giggling at the sermon. But thenthe bounty hunters had stole the police car
they crash into it. It's likethe worst built. Yeah. Like when
they hit it, I'm like,this church probably couldn't stand one windstorm.
Now first thunderstorm, it's fallen over. Yeah. I mean obviously they built

(52:52):
that section of the church to bewrecked right away by the car. But
it looks so cordy. Yeah,get past the first big bad wolf,
like, yeah, you can't doanything. I thought that was cool though,
when he went to church and theguy morphed into the preacher's face and
everybody you know, crapped their pants. Yeah. And then even though when

(53:12):
the sheriff showed up, he didn'tseem like was nobody the church telling him
like look this one dude, Yeah, face of the of our preacher.
And when he came in, hehad the face of your deputy. But
the sheriff was like, huh,nobody seemed too freaked out. I'd be
like shit. That's when the dispatchwas going off to him at his car,
and he just didn't can't. Iwas like, I'm too old for

(53:37):
your ship. Yeah. I wouldhave loved if he just glovevered it.
Yeah. I felt like he lookedlike he was like this was like the
last day of work before retire.Yeah, and he just wasn't trying.
And it's weird because he is.He was like a regular and um mm,
wash was like a regular. Andthe first handful of the Cohen Brothers

(53:57):
movies with Blood Simple and Raising Arizone. Yeah, the sheriff. Yeah.
Oh, it's like, Oh,it seems like kind of a lazy act.
The Coen Brothers have high standard kindof lazy. Yeah. I mean,
overall, the movie I thought wasentertaining, but I mean it's nineteen

(54:19):
eighty six. Of course you're gonnasit and pick apart some of these special
facts. Oh yeah, but Idon't know. It was still a lot
of fun. But even the specialeffects were still fun. I had fun
with them. They looked exactly likeI wanted them to look. Like.
If I would have watched this movietoday and they would have been incredible special
effects, I would have been bummedout. Yeah. I think you could
make a movie today with that typeof special effects and you'd have a really

(54:43):
kick ass yeah movie. I mean, I think that's where the practical effects
hold up. A little bit more. Yeah, they do, because if
we all remember Spawn and say we'regoing for a lot of CG, boy,
that CG is not good. Evenfor the day, it was bad.
I don't know. Maybe the dayI watched it, it seemed okay

(55:04):
because like, who computer graphics,Right, that's pretty Yeah, but some
of the scenes were just horrible.Yeah, the whole movie was horrible.
I hate that character. I don'tlike any of that kind of Well,
they're gonna they're doing another movie.But yeah, but Seth McFarland is directing
the guy who coma who created thecharacter. Do you think it'd be better?
I hope so, because he's agenius whoa, he's a genius at

(55:31):
making toys, and his comic booksas toys are incredible. Yeah. I
was gonna say, I feel likehe almost got into toy making more obsessively
than making comics, Like he reallystarted a whole line of Yeah I could.
I could believe that, like thebaseball figures and stuff like that.
Did he get into that too?Oh? Yeah, that was That's That's

(55:52):
how I mean. I knew Spawn, but that was my first connections because
they would do like old like makingme analy lily maids and shit like that,
like those for a Christmas from mygrandfather. They're incredible with like wrinkles
on the jersey and third the ohyeah, he built a He built kind
of like a little empire doing thosefigures because they were like just he tried

(56:13):
to make them as realistic as possible. And he had like all kinds of
limited editions, like stuff that's worthtwo three hundred dollars figuring, stuff that's
probably new thirty forty bucks twenty yearsago. Right, you know some of
those, I'm sure they are worthbig money now. Oh yeah, people
are going to the kind of bookchefs and getting dropping a cup of Hondo
for something that's gonna on the shelf. I mean, I like pop culture

(56:36):
toys myself. I don't think Icould spend three hundred bucks on the figures
now. Now and as it calleda figure in it called a action figure?
Is it called a collectible doll?I don't think they're gonna call him
dolls. No collectible, Yeah,collectible action figures on them. I don't
own one, but I've seen meneither. Nick Marland toy Lion. It's

(57:00):
pretty Yeah, I like them alot more than like Spawn the character,
that's for sure. I'm curious,you know the back in the day with
Back in the nineties, HBO hada Spawn cartoon. Mm hmmm, yeah,
which is which was really kick ass. It was compared to like the
movie. I mean, it waslike vaguely remember it was like really like

(57:22):
bluish that that's a vague way todescribe it, but like just the color
kind of like bluish. Yeah,that's kind of what I remember. I
don't remember it being blue. Ido remember it was really good, though
I don't remember if it was blue. I don't know. I mean,

(57:44):
I'll check out the movie. Yeah, would you guys hear anything about Oh,
but obviously we're done with critters,critters a lot of fun critters.
You said about recreating and today theymade that movie for two million dollars.
Yeah they did today. That's fourpoint six million. Okay, they could

(58:04):
definitely do it for one million toYeah. Yeah, you give an indie
filmmaker, an Indian one thousand dollars. But you line was crush it now.
You line was a huge at thatpoint. That was their peak,
probably eighty six, A couple ofyears after Freddie probably the second Freddie was
out by that point. M uh. That was their peak and they went

(58:28):
bankrupt and the nineties probably right,because I think that that New Nightmare was
trying to rehash it, yeah,which I do like New Nightmare. That's
a lot of fun. Is thatthe one where it's kind of like reality?
Yeah? Yeah, okay, that'sfun. I don't even remember which
one was the Langencamp came back.It was it was like the original people,

(58:52):
but she was like the actress shewas and like slowly started and the
guy that played their dad and sorry, yeah, yeah, actually I like
that one too. Saxon in theNew Nightmare. Yeah, okay, you
know he was in the End ofthe Dragon, yes, Bruce joking.
Probably still one of the best martialarts movie ever. Oh my gosh.

(59:15):
Yeah, number one. Yeah,probably number one. Jeff Well, I
have to see probably Well I'm tryingto think of a better martial arts movie,
but I turn just because it's gotBruce and cho Yeah, and he
rips Bruce's hair off his chest.Yeah, I mean yeah, but that

(59:37):
was actually called in America. Iguess it was Return of the Dragon,
but actually was Fist to Fury.Well, I think that was Fist of
Fury in Chinese Connection. I thinkgot confused, okay, and I think
Return of the Dragon was returned andyeah, Fist Fury was actually called The
Big Boss. Yes, yo,you're right, you're right. Then Return

(01:00:00):
of the Dragon, which we knewa buy, was actually Way of the
Dragon. I think I can't remember. It's interesting how they changed the titles.
And then it's funny because Jackie Chan'sfirst American made movie was called The
Big Boss, which isn't at allrelated too, but they definitely knew that
they could name it that people mightbe Jackie Chan knows who Bruskly is.

(01:00:24):
Yeah, yeah, but Jackie Chan, he was nobody at the beginning.
Now well he was was he hewas Chinese Connection. What are the guys
that he beat up at the dogshow? I hope that you're right,
just to like half that in myheart forever, not that I know of

(01:00:45):
well, I mean, we couldlook it up, but I don't feel
like I don't feel like getting Ifeel like that's something that I would have
already known. I feel like becauseSamuel Hung probably pronounced that poorly. He
was an end of the Dragon andit fights scene in the very beginning when
they were fighting in front of allthe monks. They were in their little
black let a little black speedos andfighting um and then Jackie Chan got the

(01:01:09):
chance to perform in front of BruceLee for Enter the Dragon, but things
didn't work out. Bruce Lee accidentallyhit Jackie in the head and him out
ouch. Dang awesome. Has thereever been a martial arts horror movie?

(01:01:34):
I can't think of one offhand?Like, why has nobody did a mash
up of those genres? Yeah,I'm just even trying to think of any
time of villain's fault and that,Yeah, I can't. I mean,
and Jason takes Manhattan the one theone guy is supposed to be a boxer
and he tried to box Jason fora little bit, but Jason entertained him.

(01:01:58):
Nick Gale. But that's a interestinggenre mashup right, martial arts horror.
I mean, we have martial artscomedies, there's several of those,
and there's horror comedies. Yeah,what about a martial arts comedy that might
be good. You want to seeninjas fighting zombies or something like that.
Oh wait, that's been done.There's actually a movie. It's an independent

(01:02:22):
film. I actually own it upstairs. It's called Ninjas Versus Zombies. Really
yes, it's actually really cool.I met these people years and years ago
at the Philly Comic Con. Andthese guys like the one dude's like a
comic book illustrator. One dude's apizza delivery guy. Somehow they get some

(01:02:42):
type of power. They all becomeninjas to defeat the zombies. Okay,
and it's a it's a boatload offun. Yeah. For me, it's
like a prime example when some dudehas a vision, raises a few bucks
from friends and family and makes it. And also the power of Adobe after
effects. But yeah, okay,so there's one. But there's never been

(01:03:07):
a big Has there ever been abig budget horror? I can't think of
one. But what you just haveto point about how great horror movies are.
If thematic that's not fun to watch. If a comedy movie isn't funny,
that's not fun to watch. Ahorror movie cannot be scary and still
be just a lot of fun togo through everything that's happening. No other

(01:03:29):
genre has that where it cannot.It cannot not be super successful and still
be all right. So there area few that pop right up. Okay,
sorry, three rigor Mortis that's thename of the movie, the second

(01:03:51):
one. Okay, kind of bladevampires and blade. I mean that's kind
of martial arts. Is I thinkyou have to include Highlander then, and
it's not martial arts or horror.But it's got scary but it's not martial
arts. It's not martial arts,but it has Can you consider the fighting

(01:04:12):
st yeah, can you consider thestyle? Sword play is a martial arts
but he um, I don't thinka martial art has to be a foot
Yes you could, but not inHighlander because they really didn't use a style
of Asian martial arts in the swordfighting style. They were more like,
Um, I don't think martial fromEurope to be just Asian influence like as

(01:04:38):
an I e. Karate. Imean, but now you can have martial
arts like Brazilian jiu jitsu exactly,that's true. Ju is martial arts.
Brazilian said. So I was thinkingyou mean like karate or kempo or no,
I'm just thinking because boxing is amartial that's a martial art. Yeah

(01:04:59):
it is now, you know that. I mean regular boxing. I wouldn't
call that martial arts. I wouldn'teither, But like MMC and stuff like
that is okay, you know,okay, like this stuff. But MMA
is mixed martial arts, so wecould have MMMA horror. But when you're
talking about boxing down and take azombie down and choke him out and make

(01:05:21):
a submit, no, I wouldsay, no, you have to rip
their head off classically a martial art. But I think that nowadays that everything
kind of gets muddled up together withlike MMA kind of stuff. That is
still one of the skills. Allof those dudes needs to know it's just
boxing. So has anybody made anMMMA horror movie? I don't know of

(01:05:45):
any MMA movies? Oh my god, werior with who's that actor? I'm
trying to think of him. NotTom Hardy. That's the first name that
came to mind, because this actorwas able to enunciate words properly. I
can't stand Did you guys see anything? Did you see Venom? Now?
My daughter went and saw it,said it was great. What Alex said

(01:06:12):
that he didn't like the movie,but there were a couple like fight scenes
that were he thought Venom was buthe said he couldn't understand the word.
Tom Hardy said, oh wow,that's Joel Edgerton and Warrior. Yes,
and also who was his dad,Nick McNalty. Yes, it was a

(01:06:33):
good movie. That was pretty good. Uh yeah. But as far as
Venom goes, the critics from someof the scuttle but I've seen online the
critics are shitting on it, butthe fans are loving it, which is
interesting. I feel like that's whatcritics do. Yeah, they pretty much

(01:06:54):
the other didn't actually want a Venommovie set outside of the MCU. Here's
why. And everybody could tell meI'm wrong, But I mean the whole
Venom storyline is based around Spider Man, right, And the reason is outfit
looks a certain way is because ofBlack Suit and Spider Man from uh the

(01:07:16):
coming book, Secret Secret Wars.I mean it all, it all stems
from Spider Man. It's like havinga bizarre Superman that doesn't met Superman's a
real thing, right, what's thatpoint of that? Now, my kid,
this might be a big spoiler.I'm gonna say it anyway, but
he said, well, you know, he's out in San Francisco right now,
and they maybe allude to the factabout New York, so maybe Sony's

(01:07:45):
like Oh, like, if wedo a good job, maybe Marvel will
like let us do a movie withthe new Spider Man. Yeah. I
just think like that character is soheavily the origin story comes from Spider Man
that to do it right. That'sjust that's just me. I'm sure there's
fans that will disagree they're incorrect.I mean, I'm I'm really curious about

(01:08:12):
the new fox Um Dark Phoenix XMen with X Men Dark Phoenix when they
already can't tell the story properly aboutabout the Phoenix anything. This one's not
going to be Yeah, it's noteven gonna be close. I mean,
I don't want to be one ofthose fan boys. It's always crapital stuff.
I'm just saying, like, youhave an amazing storyline to pull from

(01:08:33):
this scrat you're gonna they're left over? Aren't worth making a movie? Yeah?
How it is. Yeah, butwe had Logan right that should have
just ended it, which I thoughtwas a fantastic movie. You know,
and there's a movie that doesn't haveto exist necessarily that can stand alone.

(01:08:54):
Yeah, it stands alone. Likewe know, we know the mythos,
we know who the character isn't it. It's Okay if the storyline is out
side, yeah, yeah, SoI mean, okay, so what I
just said contradicts everything I said aboutVenom. It can stand outside of the
mythos if it's really kick ass.Yeah. But the problem is when you

(01:09:14):
say venom the popularity of people ingeneral, what the hell is venom?
When you say Wolverine? Oh yeah, he's the next true Also, Hugh
Jackman killed it. Yes, umhe for what how many movies was he

(01:09:35):
Wolverine before Logan? All of them? Like four? Just all of them?
Oh my god, more than four? Yeah, I mean he worked
out probably twenty years of his lifeto look like Wolverine. And then when
come Logan, you're like, well, have you ever seen the pictures of
him from the first time he playedWolverine the logan? How much bigger?

(01:09:58):
Yeah? Oh yeah, big difference. He looked like any normal guy walking
down the street. For the firstone, we could all play log and
Hugh Jackman just wrapped up jack Whichone was that the Days of Future Past?
When he went back at the timeand it woke up that bend,
it was like, no, hehad no clothes on, and then we

(01:10:19):
even got a butt shot. Yeah, I'm like, how many hours a
day and months does it take toYeah, when you uses a broccoli and
blue a chicken when you're paid,because that's all he could eat fifteen twenty
million dollars to work out anything.This is sure insane that this is going

(01:10:40):
to be my second Lame Miss referenceup yea, but when he really bet
he when he played Jean Valjean andthe Lame Miss movie I watched, it
was like a short eight ten minutevideo or something about his working out for
that because Jean Valjean at the beginningof a prison there and stuff, so
he had to lose a bunch ofweight, but he was also like famous

(01:11:01):
for his strength, so I hadto pump up. It is insane what
this dude is doing in the shapehe was in that like you never saw
like it was just for him tofeel like he could play the character.
Like It's not like he ever takesa shirt off in that movie and go,
oh shit, John Valjean's ripped likeI was just, so he was
just, but he never was insanelyshredded. You think that Hugh Jackman's gonna

(01:11:27):
like now get to a play wherehe's gonna retire He's like, I'm just
eating I hope so ding dongs andhoos because I've I mean, I really
feels done at all. He hada lot of little portions of chicken and
broccoli, like twenty years of hislife. Oh for sure. Well that's
that's funny you say that because theother day I was I saw on something.

(01:11:48):
It was the Rocks Dwine Johnson's cheatmeals. Like I think it's once
a week, is it like likea whole pizza. It's way more insane
than that, Like once a weekhe'll have this cheap meal, but because
it's a guy that eats like tenthousand calories a day, that cheap meal
is sponkors. So. Like theone was sushi. It was like an

(01:12:09):
entire, like full size sheet trayof sushi, one of the big boats,
sit down and eat at the sametime. It was like a family
seventy or eighty rolls of sushi.The one thing it was wings. He
had like three or four dozen wings, and then he had brownies. It
was like either ten brown like insanethings that this dude is eating on his

(01:12:30):
cheap day just because he what's toeat on a normal day. I was
ridiculous. He has a full dozeneggs in the morning. Oh my god.
Yeah, it's crazy. Then heworks out for four hours on the
sit Yeah, I mean he's huge. He's huge. That's another guy that's
the same thing with you, Jackman. Believe him more so, Like if
you look at him when he waswrestling, it looks like a normal dude.

(01:12:54):
Like if he was like wearing clothes, it looks like a normal dude.
That's a bigger guy. Like you'relike, oh, look at that
huge guys. That's always the Rockssix six six two. How what about
Hugh Jackmans six one? Probably somethingaround there. I mean there's there's a
there's some scenes in Wolverine where helooks bigger than the Rock. Oh yeah,

(01:13:15):
it's fun. So my wife andI were just having this conversation the
other day about Lou Forigno uh onTV. Came on an episode of sitcom
King of Queens and he was onthat for a little while, and she's
saying, shit, was that guyreally the Hulk? I said, yeah,
he played the Hulk, And Ibrought up pictures of Lou Frigno playing
the Hawlk, saying, see,it's just not that much different than the

(01:13:38):
CGI Hulk, right, like it'sit's you know, incredible. How similar
have you seen these? Dude theactor that please the Mountain on Game and
three? Yeah, um, he'shuge. It's an Icelandic name, Hof
poor Julius. I'm not even gonnatry and sorry of our fans in Iceland

(01:13:59):
and Yeff, just butcher that onehorrible. The Mountain's coming for you,
bro. He's six nine, weighsfour hundred pounds and I saw something online
about what he eats in the day. It's probably like one hundred pounds of
food. But he's also in wasit last year or two years ago he
was ranked the strongest man in theworld. Yeah, Yeah, it's amazing.

(01:14:23):
He goes through. Uh, itis funny. And to keep with
Hugh Jackman for a second, it'salways funny because I don't know if you've
ever seen that real steel that hewas in. Yeah, I love that.
It's rocky, but it's a lotof fun. But it's fun.
It's not great, but it's fun. I like that. I like that
Follower's son kind of bullshit and allthat kind of stuff. But he was

(01:14:43):
bigger than Slone. Wasn't rocky Yeah, like all of this it's just fake
fighting. It's like that dude's enormous. Yeah, it's ridiculous. That's how
big he was. At some pointhe's gonna just go back to a lean
diet and he's got and lose thatmuscle, and just like I just want
to be nor maybe not. Isaw the other day I was scrolling through
Netflix and Swordsfish that he was inwith John Travolta. He was small,

(01:15:08):
he was petite, Yeah, comparedto like, no one's ever said that
about Hugh. You could walk downthe street see ten guys and say seven
of those could kick the shit outof him. Yeah, was in better
shape burther Hugh Jackman in that movie. Yeah, I gotta looked at up
he could. Halle Berry has apuncher shower. Yeah, probably though he

(01:15:30):
was supposed to be a hacker.Yeah, it's not like hackers are like
them. Just to see that transferthat like how many dudes can say that
aging twenty years has made you thatmuch stronger and tougher, you know,
like it's it's pretty incredible, carvedout of the whole area for him that
didn't exist for him before. Ohyeah, geez, Yeah, I'm just

(01:15:53):
kind of wondering, like these guysthat like The Rock and Hugh Jackman are
pounding that amount of calories and workingout, Like what kind of told does
that take on the bottle? Forsure? Oh, they'll be hurting right
yeah with the joints, Like canyour joints hand your bones and joints handle
crushing that kind of weight every dayin your workout? I was, I

(01:16:16):
don't know, man, because theyI was looking at uh stallone because they're
doing like a Rambo five the otherday, and he was working out.
That dude is seventy two years old. It was unbelievable what I was seeing
him do. I saw a videoof get because I guess Arnold's getting back
in shape for another terminator. Yeah, and he's like these high seventies,

(01:16:41):
right, I think he still lookedbig and in shape. Oh yeah,
and like popping, you know,like he was happy and smiling and looked
vigorous and like yeah, but theyhad that. They have the body to
build it off of. They've beenwhat you know, professional athletes their whole

(01:17:03):
lives, right. I think it'sit's hard to take the toll their bodies
have been subjected to. True,but their bodies also make him like eight
years off to be a governor,you know, like that. Well he
was still in real good shape then, but not as not the same yeah,
not the same. I love it, though, I freaking love I

(01:17:25):
love all of it. I lovethose dudes getting jacked up for movies that
they're going to be terrible, butI'm gonna see anyway. I love all
of it. Yeah, I mean, they're they're they're icons my heroes,
those two specifically those I love thosetwo dudes so much. I'm just kind
of wondering if, like my kid, is my kid a millennial? So
hie does he even or no Xor whatever? If he doesn't know about

(01:17:49):
these movies, it's my fault.I'm never sure. I swear I showed
him Rocky, but these names swarzing, egger stallone, do we even mean
anything? Like? He I tryto show him these movies, but he
he is getting into horror. SoI'm very very you know, happy that
he keeps asking me, like,what movies should I watch next? I

(01:18:10):
just watched the conjuring, like,oh, dude, come over to the
shelf. Yeah, I got awhole bunch of right here. So that's
cool. But I don't know ifI did my job. When it comes
to like Stallone and Schwarzenegger movies,it's hard to get it all in.
But I think that I mean Stalloneand Schwarzenegger particularly, not to put them
on like the acting equal of anyof these guys, but they'll go down

(01:18:31):
with Jimmy Stewart and Clark Gable andcarry and all those people from decades and
decades. Absolutely, they're huge becausethey're just two of the biggest movie stars
ever. Yeah, because they're thebig act of our general exactly whereas those
names it were our parents, right, So if we were to ask my

(01:18:51):
kid or what are the for us, because we're older Stallone Schwarzenegger, Well,
who are the big names right now? Or at least the kids that
are thirteen, if we asked them, what are the big action stars now?
Every Yeah? Yeah, Robert DowneyJunior. Everybody knows who that is.

(01:19:13):
Would you consider Robert Downey Junior likean action star or just a kick
ass actor that happened to be inan action move I was towards that.
Yeah, he is a very luckyactor. Now he's a good he's really
good. His early stuff he putout some shit. I'd say, probably
put out some ship when he wasdrug when he was on, Yeah,

(01:19:33):
when he was on and all thatkind of stuff, he did some amazing
work, yeah, heart and souls. And I think that's where casting a
guy who can act, not justa face that's worked out for I am
obvious. It sounds like a reallyobvious thing to say, the entire MCU

(01:19:54):
is different if it's not Robert,it's about it's about a different Chris Evans
is out, but you're already gettingall these these carryover fans that weren't fans
of the comics or anything like that. Like the whole thing if it doesn't
have his particular sardonic, snarky humorlooking like he does be he was the

(01:20:15):
right man at the exact right time. Like, it's an entirely different thing,
I think. And that's all aboutthe change, Yeah, because after
no Chris Evans, Yeah, Imean, eventually Robert Downey has to stop
being iron man. He I mean, he gets still do a voice in
somebody's helmet. He hasn't officially saidone way or the other, right,

(01:20:39):
how can you say no? Thetwenty five million dollars a time, those
jobs don't exist anymore. You know, there's one studio that's paying that.
It's more residious. It's just aboutis on the verge of if not totally
independent. Now it's not the DCU. Only might be lucky. They give
you twenty five bucks. Who knowswhat's even happening over there. Aquaman looks
good. I'm gonna say, Aquamanlooks good. I don't think so.

(01:21:01):
I don't think so. Okay,I want it to Okay, I wanted
to, but the trailers aren't doingit for me. For me, like
we got this underwater world it wasI saw a trailer was reminding me a
little bit of the Guardians of theGalaxy. We don't know about these characters.
It could be good and Jason,at least Jason Momoa looks like he's

(01:21:25):
having a good time. It actuallyreminds me more of it, that's for
sure, because he's he's got togo back and fight his brother. I
believe it was to take me backAtlantis, and that just reminds me a
lot more of Thor And it's justhe does at least the one trailer against

(01:21:45):
it's their trailers are too many spoilers, but they show you him at the
end wearing the kind of the orangeshirt in the Aquaman. Yeah, which
I'm sure that because I really probablyending of the movie. Yeah, I
mean I really enjoyed him in Ican't even the last DC movie, Oh
Justice, Justice League. I totallyeven forgot about it. He might have

(01:22:08):
been the best part. Yeah,next Wonder Woman, But the two of
them made that movie. Yeah,and the Wonder Woman. The movie was
fantastic for a woman's good. Butthat's that's the struggle that DC is having
with Marvel, isn't is that Marvelstarts out by doing Iron Man, Captain
America, spider Man, that theyget these big title dudes to come out
and have good movies, and thenyou can do aunt Man and then you

(01:22:30):
can do all this other Right,they're doing it the other way around,
to start that with like an atthis point with Superman, Batman done,
kind of start over with an Aquaman. Who gives a shit? With dcame,
that movie is gonna cost gonna costtwo hundred million dollars, it's gonna
make one hundred and twenty five.Yeah, it's gonna be a disaster.

(01:22:53):
But go ahead real quick on theDC thing. They've already done Batman today.
You know, so they can't,but they can't, can't too soon.
Camp it up. That's what theyneed to do with all their ship.
They can't. They but they butthey just we just had Christian Bales
Batman, which he was great.Yeah, it was. I know a

(01:23:16):
lot of people didn't like him.A good thing for me. I don't
know if he was a good Batman, but he was a good Bruce Wayne.
Yeah. And it was just wellwritten and well done movies. But
those were real reason. That's whyyou know, DC can't put down another
Batman already with Ben Affleck to tryand rehash yet again with a big igree.

(01:23:41):
I would, and I would campyeah, give him a gray suit,
camp it up, make it likethrow it back to Tim Burton.
I would. I wouldn't go thatthat silly, not that campy, but
make it look totally different. Showthe good side of Batman too, not
just a super dark, constantly broothingbullshit. Yeah, that's the world's greatest

(01:24:05):
attective. Well, show me solving, give me him solving a problem.
It can be Batman mixed with SherlockHolmes kind of ship where that would be
amazing moments to it. And thenwe'll right back to Robert Dawley Junior.
I mean, he's just a guyin a suit. His biggest skill is
solving us. Ever really been thatBatman where he turns in the Batman he

(01:24:28):
goes to find Joe Chill, theguy that killed his parents. Like how
that's somehow still not the story ofthe movie. You can do that like
that, that writes itself. That'san easy, cheap story to make.
It doesn't need to have these big, huge special effects. Throwing the lame
Batman suit. DC is copying Marvel, that's the thing. And get the
problem on that road too. Youalready have the archetypes. You already have

(01:24:53):
the formula that works. Give meanother camp be Superman, granted Christopher Reeve
respect, and you're not getting aguy like that again. That becomes that
hero so much. But do somethingwhen you try to go dark Superman like
you did in Man of Steel,it doesn't really work. Now there are
moments where like I like this,I like that, but you sit there
for two and a half hours,you're not in on it at all,

(01:25:15):
and it's Superman Like you cannot makethat movie work. There's the whole scene
was like, oh, it's notan ass, it's a yeah. But
the mood's like, yeah, wedidn't need an extra forty five minutes of
his backstory with his father. No, and it I mean, he had
a good actor for his father,so I'm sure they were like, we
gotta you know, but it wastotally unnecessary. Everybody knows the history of

(01:25:42):
Superman, where he came from from. Krypton's problem with comic book movies every
time they reboot, they feel theyneed to tell the story again. Yeah,
that's exactly that Marvel has, isthat And that's the benefit Marvel has
is that their backstories are so muchthinner and more obscure. Are know know
what? Nobody knows you span everybodyknows Batman? You don't know who?

(01:26:03):
You know who the Hell's Guardians?Right? Yeah? But yeah, that
which brings me to what I wantto ask you guys. Did you like
the first Suicide Squad? No?Okay, now I saw I saw thing
came out the other day that JamesGunn is it talks to write and direct
to Suicide Squad two. I'm onboard that. No. Well, no,

(01:26:29):
I shouldn't say that because James Gunncould probably do something with it.
Oh, he's probably adequate enough towell know, because the first one wasn't
that great. No, but hedidn't write and direct this, I know.
That's what I mean. Maybe hecan take this pile of shit and
turn it into something good. That'swhat I mean. I think he can.
I did like the first one.Entertainment value wise, it wasn't It

(01:26:55):
was a great movie. A lotof predictability, a lot of oh weird
cloud thingy overability. Yeah, likeway too much Will Smith. There's never
too much Will Smith. All right, look Will Smith. Yeah, I
don't think you understand. I knowexactly what it means. Will Smith plays

(01:27:15):
one character, Will Smith. Yeah, so far give me Bad Boys too
with suicide. Bad Boys three iscoming out. I can't be that.
I will go seeing. Uh it'sfunning, you say, because I was
watching a couple of years ago.Um, I just saw the video again
when Chris Rock was the host ofthe Oscars. It's kind of when like

(01:27:39):
Oscars so white blew up, kindof yeas making fun of it, and
uh, um Will Smith's wife,Um, Jada Jada Smith. She was
boycott and saying this isn't fair.Will's not getting nominated for this movie he
was in and Chris Grocos. Youknow what else isn't fair? Will Smith
got paid twenty million dollars for awhile while to the West, I thought

(01:28:01):
that was I think it would bereally I'm into it. If James Gunn
is right now, that would makeme more optimistic because is it a remade
squad than that movie? I mean, I think they could do a lot
more with it. Is that theGuns? Is that a remake or a
sequel? What the guns? Jamie'sGuns version is that we're on like you

(01:28:30):
call him Jamie? No, youcall him the Guns. No gun you
guys, bros. His last game, his gun Guns is version, James
Gunn. You caught him, JamieGunn. I just heard the Guns Guns
his version that I swear to godhe said Jamie's Guns. No, I

(01:28:51):
didn't say Jamie Things Now. Ilike the way you put it. The
guns. Yeah, is Guns's version? Is it a sequel or a remake?
That's part two? It is parttwo? Good? And you didn't
say, Jamie. I wonder whereI did. In fact, the guns

(01:29:14):
Guns version, James Gunn. Ifyou're listening, you're officially now the guns,
the Guns. I love it.There's no better way to end this
podcast than talking about the guns.Everybody, We love you. Check us
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(01:29:35):
what we talked about. James gunnuh, hit me up. We'll have
you on the next show. I'llhelp you right. Suicide Squat two Yeah,
Benny's discussed the pronunciation of your lastname. Jeff's gonna be your hype
Jeff's tally your hype man. He'sgonna call you the gun wherever you go
anything else Watch Critters. I lovedit. I mean I don't love we

(01:29:56):
actually a movie. I'm gonna talkabout a movie. It's the most fun
you can have watching a solid Seaminus movie. There you go. Now,
this movie, I liked it thesecond time now that I'm adult,
but as a kid, when Iwatched this movie, it definitely changed my
life. As far as like tryingto get out of a car in the

(01:30:17):
middle of the night, I wouldlike race to the house because I was
terrified. I was terrified that Iwas going to get eaten by a critter.
So anyway, go watch the Spirit. Yes, as the gun says,
keep on punching