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September 29, 2025 • 134 mins

(00:00-25:26) – Query & Company opens on a Monday with Jake Query and producer Eddie Garrison discussing the first loss of the season for the Indianapolis Colts.  Jake touches on all the reasons why the Colts loss instead of pointing the finger directly at Adonai Mitchell.  

(25:26-35:49) – With the two biggest plays of the game involving AD Mitchell, Jake plays what Mitchell had to say after the game after describing how we got to this point with the former second-round pick.

(35:49-44:22) – The first hour of the show concludes with Jake and Eddie discussing the Indiana Fever extending their season yesterday and the Phoenix Mercury pulling off an upset against the Minnesota Lynx.

(44:22-1:12:22) – The Dean, Mike Chappell, from CBS4 and FO59 joins Query & Company to share his thoughts on the week four loss for the Colts with Jake Query. He believes that there were more positives to take away from the loss than negatives, admits that he doesn’t really know what to do with Xavien Howard right now with the injuries the team has at that position, and would like to see the Colts get Josh Downs more involved in the pass game.

(1:12:22-1:22:33) – During his conversation with Mike Chappell, Jake highlighted how he’s interested to see how the team supports Mitchell this week because of the costly errors. Zaire Franklin and Daniel Jones shared what they told him after the play.

(1:22:33-1:31:22) – The one o’clock hour of the show concludes with Jake and Eddie discussing IU squeaking out a win on Saturday over the Iowa Hawkeyes.  

(1:31:22-1:55:27) – The final hour of the show with Jake Query explaining why the two costly plays committed by Adonai Mitchell yesterday aren’t his fault. It leads to Jake and Eddie discussing some of the positives from the game and where the Los Angeles Rams stack up with the rest of the league.

(1:55:27-2:10:05) – Indiana Pacers forward Aaron Nesmith joins Jake Query on Pacers media day to reveal how he recovered in the off-season from the long season, accesses how the team will replace the leadership of Myles Turner and Tyrese Haliburton, discusses the Turner fallout, and comments on what to expect from the team stylistically without Haliburton this season.

(2:10:05-2:15:15) – Today’s show closes out with JMV joining Jake Query in studio to preview his show, question Lou Anarumo a little bit, and touch on the remainder of the Colts schedule.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Querry in company. I'm gonna be keeping you company
for the next few hours. You are not going to
believe the company, this company.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
You're going to bankrupt your mama's company.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
At least I have the radio to keep me company.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
On ninety three to five and one oh seven five,
the fan.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
Shotgun snap for the quarterback Willock's left fires down the
left sideline and it is a.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Couch Heydean Mitchell.

Speaker 5 (00:20):
There he goes inside the.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Thirty down the front Presbyton touchdown, heyde Mitchell, his first
career touchdown in the NFL. The bar is loose started
for crossing the goal one it went in and Ramo res.

Speaker 6 (00:37):
Also to play the touchdown first down laws as a
matter of loser focus and just to just to play
that I just can't happen. Just just unacceptable. I just
gotta be better for the team for organization emotion.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
On the right side is Winnington shotgun snap for Stafford
Pros left and part inside the five racy for the
end zone. That's a touchdown poop from Nakula. Jonathan Taylor
finds a little bit of decrease. Shimmy shite. There we
go down here sideline a flag of the play Taylor
twenty ten five touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Taylor scores for.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
The type B.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
The Colts have the lead, put a flag at the
forty five yard line of the ramlee under.

Speaker 7 (01:21):
Ten offa Righty's plenty of time, push staftor pros downfield.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
He's done. Man, h't playing kock you out.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
The racing the other way.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
He's gonna score twenty ten five touchdown.

Speaker 8 (01:36):
Credit to the Rams.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
They found a way to win it. At the end.

Speaker 8 (01:39):
We got to be better. Obviously, we heard ourselves in
a lot of situations with penalties. We got to take
care of the football and that starts with me.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
So that's how it sounded yesterday Colts Radio Network. You
heard from Shane Steichen there, you heard from Ady Mitchell.
You heard from the voice of the Colts, Matt Taylor,
as the Colts drop at twenty seven to twenty to
the Los Angeles Rams at so Fights and the key
number yesterday was ten. There were numerous times where the
number ten came into play with the Colts yesterday. For example,

(02:15):
I believe in this one, I'm not totally certain that
I believe this is correct. Was the penalty that was
called for the hole that negated Jonathan Taylor's touchdown. Was
that their tenth penalty of the game. They finished with eleven.
There were obviously two key plays that took place on

(02:37):
number ten, Ady Mitchell, that touchdown that you heard for
the Rams that gave them the game. Guess how many
players were on the field for lou and Arumo's defense.
Ten And guess how many wide receivers were selected before
ad Ni Mitchell a year ago in the NFL draft.

(02:58):
Ten of them. And there's a reason for that, and
that reason is this. Imagine you go, as all of
us at some point, dude, to buy yourself a new car.
And you go and you're at the car lot and
you're looking around, and this always happens. You see one

(03:21):
car that you're like, wow, like that is a good
looking automobile. That is a beautiful car. It looks sleek.
I got in it and took it around on the
test drive and it was fast and it was man
every bell and whistle like, this is the car. I

(03:41):
mean there are others on the lot that are probably,
but those other cars are all a little bit more expensive.
For this is an unbelievable deal. This car looks like
everything that I want it looks like everything that I need.
This is the deal of a lifetime, and you get
the car, you buy it, and you're telling everybody, You're like, ah,

(04:05):
wait until you hear the deal I got on this car,
And wait till you see my new car. I mean,
this is a fifty five thousand dollar vehicle and I
got it for forty two grand. And it's better looking, sleeker,
and faster than every other car that was on the
lot for forty two grand. I can tell you that much.
And six months after getting it, you are driving up

(04:28):
Meridian Street and all of a sudden you hear a
could clunk and you look and it is sprayed fluid
all over Meridian and you're like, maybe there's a reason
why this was forty two grand. Ady Mitchell is. He
has all the bells and whistles, he's sleek, he's fast,
he looks the part. But you wonder why ten receivers

(04:49):
went before him, And what did we hear when he
was selected? What did we hear from all of the
guru that do all of the scouting and all of
the forecast of a player. All the bells and whistles,
but comes with a warning there's a reason he was

(05:12):
available big time program. Looks like the big time player,
but didn't have big time numbers in college. But it's
gonna happen for him in the National Football League. But
the knock on him was lacks mental focus and maturity.
Lacks mental focus and maturity. And you know what, it

(05:35):
would be really easy for me to come on this
radio show today, as probably most people would expect me
to do, and maybe it's even my responsibility to do,
to come on here and for three hours throw Ady
Mitchell under the bus and say that was inexcusably boneheaded,
that between the dropping of the football before you get

(05:59):
to the goal, and that in terms of a holding
penalty that negated a Jonathan Taylor touchdown that would have
swung the game. Now you could make the argument maybe
that touchdown doesn't happen without the hold. I get it.
But it would be very easy for me to sit
here and say to you, we are today for three hours,
going to condemn Ady Mitchell. We're going to come down

(06:20):
on Adie Mitchell. This is going to be a call
in program of talking about how you want to see
Ashton Doolan, you want to see Alec Pierce. Alec Pierce
got paid when I asked, I thought the best post
yesterday the best when I said, give me your summary
of the Colts right now on how you feel about
them through four games in four words or less. And

(06:43):
somebody's reply was ad got ap paid. Yeah, Alec Pierce.
When you look at it without it was Alec Pierce
showed his best value by not being on the field
in that game, because you look at it and you go,
if they don't resign him, and Adie Mitchell's the guy,

(07:04):
this is what you're getting. And it would be easy
for me to sit here and blame Adie Mitchell, and
it would be easy for me to sit here and
tell you that that game yesterday is on Adie Mitchell,
and I'm here to tell you it's not true. It's
not true. I'm not going to today on this Monday
with the Colts at three and one, and yes, that
is ahead of where we thought they would be. And yes,

(07:25):
they showed yesterday they're pretty good. They're pretty good. They're
good enough that we can be greedy about the fact
of losing a game in Los Angeles to what I
think we know is a pretty good team and a
raucous environment with a big, armed veteran quarterback and a
receiver that absolutely tore them apart in Nikua. They are

(07:47):
good enough that we can be greedy and say should
have had it except for that guy number ten. But
you know what it's going to be, just like in
Goodwill Hunting, Ady Mitchell is gonna be Will Hunting and
I'm gonna be Robin Williams. It's not your fault, son,

(08:11):
It's not your fault. It's not your fault. And while
you sit here and Ady Mitchell looks at me and says, no, no, no, no,
not not you, not you, Sean, not you. It's not
your fault, son, It's not your fault. And while you
the radio listener, are disappointed in hearing me say that,
because my job is to come on here and throw

(08:33):
Ady Mitchell under the bus and condemn him and pin
that loss on him, and say that the Colts should
be four and zero. They should be unblemish, they should
be undefeated. They should have been flying over the beautiful
mountains of Colorado and the plains of Kansas on the
on the plane last night, enjoying it and celebrating. They

(08:53):
should have been doing those things but they weren't because
of Adie Mitchell. And I'm here to tell you it's
not his fault. It's the fault of clearly a franchise
that has put him in position and enabled him to
the point where, for whatever reason, those sorts of things.
Because everybody knew it, We've known forever, We've been waiting forever.

(09:16):
Adie Mitchell on one play summarized and personified everything about
him in one play because we the fans, we the media,
we the people that talk about this team have been
told forever by the Colts, just be patient because there
are gifts there, be patient because there are intangibles there,
Be patient because there's big play capability there. And we've

(09:39):
been patient. And then and I mentioned it, Reggie Wayne,
a guy that as a young wide receiver, it took
him a while to get going, and then once he did,
holy cow, look out borderline Hall of Fame career. And
Reggie Wayne is the receiving coach for the Indianapolis Colts.
And so therefore we had trust in the fact that, yes,

(10:01):
they knew when they kept telling us to be patient,
that we were going to be rewarded for it, that
it was all there for us, and in that play,
Ady Mitchell goes down, turns around, makes essentially a one
handed catch. I think, to be honest with you, even
he was surprised that he caught it. When he spins
around to get out of the grasp and take off

(10:23):
down the sidelines. I think even he was like, oh
my gosh, but he does. And so right there, we
as fans, we as the media, we as observers are
looking at it saying, that's why we were told to
be patient. That's why they got the steal of the
draft when they took him as the eleventh wide receiver selected.

(10:46):
And how foolish is everybody else to allow ed Ni
Mitchell to fall to the Indianapolis Colts. That's why we
look at it and said, just be patient and like
Ali peers, once it gets going, we're going to start
seeing who he is. But the reason why we were

(11:06):
all skeptical is because we were told there's a reason
that he was available when they got him. We were
told there was concern about his focus, his maturity. Not
saying it makes him a bad guy, not saying that
it makes him a guy that lacks intelligence, but simply
a guy that lacked maturity. And lacked focus and wanted

(11:27):
to bypass steps and process, And just as all of
those things are starting to go away, and just as
all of those things that the Colts had told us
to that we would be rewarded for what being patient over,
he drops the ball literally and figuratively, he drops the ball,

(11:49):
and then later an attention to detail play, he gets
caught up. And so I don't blame Adie Mitchell. I
blamed the Colts for putting Ady Mitchell and everybody who
supports the Colts in that situation, because there had been
warning signs all along. Did he start to show that

(12:10):
he's got some promise?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
He did.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
He did three catches for ninety six yards. But I
did notice they come back out on the field, and
I thought it was very symbolic. Ady Mitchell all by himself,
away from the rest of the huddle, wandering the pastures
of the field, by his lonesome, collecting just his thoughts

(12:35):
of what took place, because not unlike so far his career,
it took a while for it to sink into him
what had taken place when everybody else saw it before
their very eyes. And I also noticed that the Colts
didn't go to him for a while. I didn't know
if they were going to throw to him the rest

(12:55):
of the game. He had three targets to that point,
and he did make a play for them on their
final drip I've with a twelve yard reception when they
needed a first down, but it seemed as though they
went away from Ashton Doolan came in got to catch
for them, as he always does when they seemingly need
just like a last second quick bailout. Ashton Doolan's there
only catching the game for Ashton Doolan. But it was

(13:18):
a disappointment, and it was a disappointment because the Colts
have put so much in terms of their patients into
Ady Mitchell and just when he started to show that
that patience was rewarded, that happens. And I blamed the
Colts for that, and I blame Shane Steichen for that,
because it happened a year ago with Jonathan Taylor, and

(13:40):
one would assume that when it happened then, and you
saw how costly it was for the Colts on their season,
that it would be absolutely preached upon, pounded upon, dedicated
upon everything they did to make sure those things and
that little lack of attention to detail doesn't happen again,
but it did. And I know culture is an overused

(14:03):
term in sports, and I think the Colts for the
most part, have a pretty good culture this year. But
little things like that comes back to at some point
you say to yourself, you know what, when a kid
acts up, do you blame the kid or do you
blame the parenting? And in this case, the Colts took

(14:24):
a wide receiver that other teams decided to take ten
more before this guy. Now, I mean some of those players,
it's pretty clear why. I mean, you know, elite level talents.
I get it. But what I'm saying is there was
a reason he was available. This was not a secret.
The lack of attention to detail, the lack of maturity,

(14:48):
the lack of focus, those were things that have been
branded with ad Mitchell from day one, and yet the
Colts still took a flyer. I get that, but they
have seemingly built him up, and even after last year
with Jonathan Taylor and that situation, for whatever reason, their

(15:12):
coaching did not make it clear enough. Shane Steigen himself
said it's on me. It's on me. And with all
of that, I still actually think and maybe I'm just
rose colored glasses, maybe I'm the eternal optimist. But even

(15:32):
with that, I think there are things that you can
be happy about. From yesterday for the Colts. This guy's crazy.
I turn on the radio, I'm expecting him to absolutely
eviscerate the wide receiver that cost the Colts the game
yesterday with two costly plays. And he's on here apologizing
for the guy, saying that actually, the responsibility is above

(15:52):
that guy. And then on top of that, get this.
They lose that game twenty seven to twenty and this
guy's on the radio set and it's not altogether a
lost cause I get it. People are disappointed, maybe a
little bit poed over the fact that Colt should be
four and zero. Now they got you know, sometimes in

(16:14):
the NFL, the NFL giveth and the NFL taketh away. Okay,
because yes, yesterday they dropped the ball, but so too
to Denver back here right with the weird leverage call,
So maybe the football gods even it out a little bit.

(16:35):
Bottom line is through the first quarter of the season
kind of a quarter because now they play seventeen, not sixteen.
But follow me there, they're three and one they are
still in really good position. And they went in against
a team in Los Angeles, the Rams that many consider
to be certainly a dare I say it upper quartile

(16:56):
of upper quartile team in the NFL rare air, and
in going into that stadium, they lost that game on
their own. They didn't get beat, they beat themselves. And
the players that were most responsible for beating them, not
named Adie Mitchell, are guys that they weren't supposed to

(17:18):
be playing with to begin with. Attrition put them in
a situation where they literally were on LinkedIn and tenders
swipe into the right to try to find themselves corners
and defensive back help. And yes, one of the guys
they got. I mean, can we now say, Eddie, I
think you'll agree with me on this. I came in
and let me tell you the first thing Eddie Garrison

(17:39):
said to me when I walked in today. I got
into work this morning. I walked in, I sat down.
I thought I heard a small dog. I thought, what
in the world is that dog? And then I realized
it wasn't a dog barking. It was Eddie Garrison, who
was saying to me repeatedly, on repeat Jake Xavian Howard Woof,
burnt toast Woof. It's Antonio Cramarti Part two, Like we're

(18:03):
gonna find a guy that's been a good player, that
has history, and now we find out why he was available.
That's the theme of today. Why were they available?

Speaker 7 (18:13):
Why was he on puking a cool on fourth and two?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Well, I mean, why did they have ten guys on
the field?

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Right?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's another one. There were a lot of mental errors
in that game yesterday, and there was a lot of
mental breakdown and the guy that was the most responsible
for the two biggest ones. It's somewhat on the Colts.
It's not even on him. I don't know that Ady
Mitchell at any point has Maybe I'm I'm way off
base here, but his Ady Mitchell, clearly the things that

(18:45):
needed to be preached upon to him never took hold,
and at some point you've got to say that's on
those that are paid handsomely to make him responsible for
those things. That's eventually on them. But there were other

(19:07):
areas yesterday that were breakdowns that are frustrating, the penalties,
the lack of having an eleventh defender on the field,
there were so many things that you're going to look
back on and say they should have had that game,
But the football gods and the karma as such, they

(19:27):
probably even if they'd gotten that game, they got bailed
out a little against Denver. So you say to yourself,
I'll take three and one. I'll take it, And I've
got to be happy with the fact that the players
not named Ady Mitchell that really hurt them yesterday are
players that were out there almost out of necessity, as

(19:49):
opposed to because the franchise totally believes in them. There's
no Kenny Moore, so you got to have somebody out there, right,
There's no Jalen Jones, so you got to have somebody
out there, and that they are limping their way until
they can get back to one hundred percent, and then
you've got to feel pretty good about what you have.
And I realized that the NFL game is a constant,

(20:11):
everflow of attrition when it comes to injury. But there's
a ton to unpack from that game and a huge
weekend in sports in general. Last week was massive in sports,
massive right, and we were and we had all kinds
of good stuff going on. There still are good things

(20:31):
to talk about, how about the fever, getting a win,
extending again, going to a decisive game five back in
Las Vegas. It's going to be tomorrow night, Eddie. You're
going to be basically drinking yourself more than the Java
House coffee, right, because drinking again.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
It's gonna be late, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, nine thirty
tomorrow night, nine thirty tomorrow night. Yeah, I'll be here.
I'll be here until midnight.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
At least did I thought midnight was going to strike
for Indiana and for their high dreams and they're unbeaten
dreams and going into Oregon. I thought, actually, on not
one but two occasions on Saturday, I was thinking to
myself Indiana after their by going into Oregon, it's going

(21:14):
to be two teams, neither of both of which are
already gonna have a loss by the time they get
to that game. And yet Oregon obviously pulls it out
at Penn State, and Indiana does so in Iowa and
Kinnick Stadium, which is a tough place to play. And
I think the world of Kirk Farrence and the Hawkeyes.
Indiana looked sluggish in that game. They looked like their

(21:35):
offense couldn't necessarily get in full rhythm and how much
of that was Indiana's play calling and how much of
that was Iowa doing what Iowa does to you and
just slogging you down and punching you in the mouth.
And then Indiana, when they most needed it, comes up
and you know, Fernada Mendoza makes a huge play. Sarat

(21:57):
made a huge play too, But they come up with
the play when they most need it. And now Indiana
finds themselves ranked in the top ten, where if they
can stay in the top ten, it is guaranteed they
will win at Penn State because James Franklin has no
idea what to do at home against top ten teams. Right.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
The one concern I had, Jake, is that is that
Iowa got a lot of pressure with blitzing in Indiana
didn't have any answers for it, like that they kept
getting into third in the grid, you know, medium thirdy
in long ish and.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
That's kind of what i would does too, though that's
my thing, right, is that's Iowa strength. But yes, that
is an area that I was not the only team
in the Big ten that's going to be able to
do that, right, And I.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
Was looking at this just to the predictability. It's something
I always like like to look at during NFL gams,
like how often on first down or on the first
play of AFI are you running the football? The Hoosiers
did it ten out of twelve times on Saturday. The
only two times they didn't is at the end of
the first half and then following the interception.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think Indiana game has had so much success running
the football to this point in the season that they
thought they were going to be able to routinely do
it against Iowa, and they found out obviously that not to.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Be the case.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
But big show lined up for you today. We're going
to talk about a lot about the Colts game. Mike
Chap'll going to join us at one o'clock. Aeron Nee
Smith PACER's media day is today, Is that right, Eddie?

Speaker 7 (23:15):
That is right.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
They're all getting together and gathering and taking photos and
doing TikTok videos and making memes and season.

Speaker 7 (23:22):
It starts a week from tomorrow, which is crazy, right. Yeah,
don't Aaron Nee Smith going to join us? What time
did you say? Aaron's going to call the program double
A I believe will join us at two thirty.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
It's an isn't it.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
They call him double A because it's a ron. No,
I'm aware, but his initials are A in right, I know,
but you can't call him A because there's Andrew Nimhart okay, fair,
So they call him double a fair also kind of
double a. Like the battery provides energy, Aaron Smith, we
can get one more A for him. He can come
and have your car toad, which I've had to do

(23:56):
like four times in the last week. Anyway, big show
lined up for But.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I actually want to hear from you, folks, and I
want to know if you think I'm off base in
deflecting and saying with Adie mitchell Son, it's not your fault,
it's not your fault. Do we still have the shout sounder, Eddie?
We've gotten away from that, but we used to do
the shout sounder, which was our queue to let the
masses know that. Because I do know this and I

(24:26):
get it. At Quarry and Company, we are a We
literally are the customer based company. And I'm wearing my
T shirt today Memphis show boats. Not intentional, not intentional,
I just like the USFL look to it. But are
the Colts and Ady mitchell too much of showboats.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
I had to dust off the cop webs, Jake, but uh.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
There we go. That you can because I know what
it's like when you watch a game and you sit
there and you're you're yelling at the television and you're
upset and you're irritated, and you feel like you as
a fan, your voice is not being heard. You feel
like there are frustrations that people need to know about.
Two three nine one zero seven zero two three nine

(25:09):
ten seventy is the telephone number. Over the course of today,
we will continue to interact with you as well, but
we will continue to break down what happened yesterday. Mike
Chapel one o'clock, Aaron Niemith double A two thirty Big
one lined up for you here on a Monday. It's
quiring company on the fan. I like the text that
I received. By the way, you can always text the program.

(25:30):
Two three nine ten seventy is the way to text
to the station. If you want to do it to
me individually, that's cool as well. I only say that
because I think most people by now have my number.
I've given it out a number of times. Hey, Jake,
no matter what happens this season, Ballard's time should be up.
Anthony Richardson and Ady Mitchell are the same organizational problem

(25:52):
I'm reading. By the way, A Texas is not me talking,
though I don't fundamentally disagree with all of it. Ballard
or his team saw great physical traits and then rationalized
and ignored the red flags, listing it as mere immaturity.
There is a level of truth to this, the analogy
that I've always given. We all have been in this situation,

(26:18):
all of us. Either sometimes it was we were the
ones guilty of this. Sometimes it was somebody in your group,
one of your buddies. But everybody has that one person
they dated that was way out of their league. And
I mean literally it's like have you have you seen
Joe's new girlfriend? Like holy cow, man, Like that dude

(26:41):
totally outkicked his coverage. And then it's like, yeah, but
there's a lot going on there.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, and you know, kind of a wild child, and
like every fifth time you make if you call them,
they actually answer, and every third time you make a date,
they actually follow through. But like you're like, you're captivated
by what could be. And so even though everybody else
is like I don't know, man, I think you might
be getting played here a little bit. You're like, no,

(27:07):
I trust me. When we walk into the bar and
everybody sees me with her, it's awesome, And there are
other times it's awesome, and so you get caught up
in the visuals of it all and you kind of
overlook some of the baggage that comes with it. And

(27:28):
I do think and I get it. I think the
problem the Colts have had and I think this is
turning around. But the problem the Colts have had is this.
You can draft questionable characters into your franchise, into your
locker room, if your locker room and your franchise are

(27:49):
strong enough and have good enough veteran leadership to immediately
let it be known where the lion in the sand is.
But if you draft questionable character in and your leaders
are themselves not questionable characters but are immature, then it's
never going to resolve itself. It's never going to all

(28:10):
of a sudden become a non issue. And the problem.
I do think the Colts have taken the right steps
in turning around that culture a little bit. You know,
DeForest Buckner is a really good leader, and Daniel Jones.
I think brings a level of just a maturity and
a lunch pale nature about him that is starting to

(28:33):
take effect. But nonetheless, you still have you know, like
when ad Mitchell first came in, clearly whatever message they
were trying to get to him didn't resonate. Cameron joins
it two through nine, ten seventy Cameron, what's up.

Speaker 9 (28:51):
Hey, the whole ad Mitchell thing. I was listening to
the radio broadcast as the play happened, and I was
so happy as he was going down the field because
I thought he was shedding all that baggage that he had.
And then I was just so disappointed, Like I know,
I'm not a parent, I'm not a parent, but I've

(29:11):
gotten the I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. How could
you be this much of a bonehead. That's that's what
I was feeling, Not Agar, just ugh, Cameron.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I think I mean, in all honesty, and you tell
me if you agree with this, I think you will.
But as it was happening, and by the way, we
greatly appreciate that you were listening to the radio broadcast
of it on this radio station, But as it was happening,
what I was thinking to myself, was this exactly what
you're talking about. He's shedding it all right here before us.

(29:41):
And then it wasn't the imagery that he dropped, it
was the football. And I thought to myself, this is
the most perfectly encapsulated summary of a player in one
play that we've seen in quite some time.

Speaker 9 (29:52):
Right, yeah, yeah, just he had like you said, he
had all the talent to be one of the top
receivers AFT if he didn't just have that reputation, which
we're finding out is more and more true. And I
hope he can develop past that. You know, But it
takes an elite level of mental focus to be an
NFL football player.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Correct, and Cameron here, and I appreciate the call. Here
is my concern. I agree with that it takes an
elite level of mental focus to be an NFL player.
It also takes an elite level of aptitude, mental focuness,
and mental focus and maturity to rebound and to come

(30:37):
back from what yesterday was a dejected Ady Mitchell. Let
me play for you, Adie Mitchell after the game yesterday,
because this, to me, for a this is a player
that we have been waiting for, the maturity to come

(30:58):
to him, to allow him to blossom as a player. Now,
just as we're wondering whether or not that's ever gonna
take place, now we've added another layer of maturity that
he needs to mentally grow into, which is that of
coming back from that level of disappointment and that level

(31:22):
of not one, but two critical errors. This is Ady
Mitchell in the locker room, and you will hear a
couple of other voices. I believe Stephen Holder One, James
Moyd Boyd may be there. I'm not sure how much
of this we're gonna hear. Andrews Charonoff from Channel eight
was also in the group. This is Ady Mitchell talking
yesterday at his locker after the game.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
It was a matter of los and focus and just
to just to play that I just can't happen. Just
just unacceptable. I just got to be better for the
team and for the organization.

Speaker 10 (31:54):
What are your emotions after you know, something like that,
I can imagine, but I want to.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Hear from you.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
Yeah, me, definitely not the good ones, just you know,
trying to move forward and you know, learn from learn
from the previous mistakes and get.

Speaker 10 (32:12):
Better, just kind of get basically caught up in the
moment there were were you trying to celebrate or what
I mean, I don't know what you just run The boss.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Made him play that game.

Speaker 6 (32:24):
Coach that after a trthan lost that football crust level
where he didn't dream. The appointed memphisis everything in the
room and let us in the logos.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
Yeah, we just gonna move forward and you know, learn
from us, learned from my mistakes, and you.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Know, be better for the team. Do yuh?

Speaker 10 (32:44):
Did JT touchdown a call back? Obviously? I mean just
what did you see when you look at the replay?

Speaker 6 (32:49):
That's you know, let us a logos, Like the coach said,
like we just hit on and just you know, just
just be better for the organization, you know, just just play.
Hurt hurt a lot.

Speaker 10 (33:02):
So yeah, that so because I was on some of
the touchdown today that you have to holding call.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I think they call that knew did you.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
Would you would you see started replace trying to make
a play.

Speaker 9 (33:15):
Get a couple of your teammates when they came up
to you, just to have their support for what did
that mean in that moment?

Speaker 6 (33:23):
I could have really process it, you know, kind of
in the moment I mean, really still pay processes.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
To be real.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
So I just gotta you know everything is my whole
play happened, you know because of me. Know the way
I'm gonna be able to get forward is you know,
just growing as a as a player, as a person.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
So a couple of things here. Number one, there was
a lot of background noise, right, A lot of background
noise there, which again is symbolic because with Adi Mitchell,
that's been the thing, is all the background noise, and
was he contrite? Clearly? He was bothered by that, clearly,

(34:11):
and maybe this is the first time that he's had
that actual wake up call. It's one thing to have
your place of employment tell you gotta shape up. It's
another to then see tangibly the results of your lack
of focus. And that play again perfectly encapsulated Ady Mitchell

(34:37):
because you saw why they are so intrigued by him,
but you also saw why so many people didn't buy
into the intrigue. And now it's really on him to
move forward from it. But I think it's on the
cults the fact that that position was there to begin with,

(35:00):
because again, like fool me once, shame on you, fool
me twice. Shame on me, right, and in that situation
dropping the ball before he gets to the goal line.
That's something that costs the Colts arguably a postseason bit
a year ago, and if your players are still doing it,

(35:21):
then you start to go above that and ask why.
But there are other things to talk about from the
game itself, for example, Shane Steichen's overall observation of what
cost the Colts yesterday in Los Angeles and Daniel Jones
what sort of guidance can he give coming off of that.
We'll get to that and we'll let you hear from

(35:43):
both of them upcoming. Mike Chapel in twenty two actually
about twenty minutes from now, Eronie Smith going to join
us to thirty today Pacers media day fever getting set
for a game five tomorrow night in Las Vegas to
try to advance to the w NBA Finals. There was
a bit of a am I correct to Eddie and

(36:05):
saying like upset is probably the wrong word, but a
surprise on the other side of the bracket or am
I wrong there?

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (36:11):
Yeah, kind of. It's hard for me to go that
far though, just because of the uh, the situation of
Game three, I don't know if you saw, but there
was a controversial call with or no call less Thomas
gets a steal, results in the FISA Collier sustending a
pretty severe ankle sprand so she has to miss game

(36:33):
number four, and Cheryl Reeve goes absolutely ballistic the Minnesota
League's head coach after the game and is just going
straight after the officiating and just the management or whatever. Yes,
and so she was suspended the game, and the game
was at home. But I'd probably consider that for sure
still an upset just because of the fact of how
dominant Minnesota was. I was gonna entire season.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
I mean, Minnesota was, yes, to your point, all season, right, boy, imagine.

Speaker 7 (37:00):
If the Fever pull that off, Jake, You've got Phoenix
versus it Indiana and the finals to Wanta Bonnor Lissa Thomas.
Le'd be juicy one the Duana Bonner sweepsteaks right.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
Now, I wonder if Bonner would get a ring, no
matter what the result would be.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
That's also a great question because she played on both teams, right.

Speaker 7 (37:21):
Do you think the Fever would send her one? No,
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Of Colts yesterday on the short end against the Rams,
before we hear from Shane Steichen, we're going to bring
Dave in because he's been waiting patiently like we had
been asked to do when it comes to Adie Mitchell, Hi, Dave.

Speaker 11 (37:37):
Hey, guys, real quick. I wanted to talk about the Colts,
But did I just mention one thing about Aarony Smith.
Of all the plays in the playoff last year, that
dunk he had and then Donothan Mitchell looking like a
red solo cup after a frat party on the ground
ward room was easily was easily my favorite play of
the entire might be my favorite pacer play of all time.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I love a Smith. I love him and he's shoes.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Oh you know, you.

Speaker 11 (38:06):
Know some guys were saying when we traded Malcolm, h Malcolm,
I can't remember past name was right Brogan and you know,
like somebody said, what we got a bag of pork chops,
uh from the Celtics. That was an amazing trade by
our front office. But that play where he went in
off the mist, I think that was the second time, uh,
the second miss on.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
The free throws.

Speaker 11 (38:27):
But when he came in and dunked that thing and
Donovan Mitchell's rolling on the ground.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
That was my.

Speaker 11 (38:33):
Favorite play maybe piecer history. So anyway, I digress, I
digress anyway.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
About Ady Mitchell.

Speaker 11 (38:39):
You know, in the NFL, coaches lose with potential, and
that's what Steikn's looking at is losing. Uh And if
he loses the lady on the sidelines with no eyes
that's taking notes every day, he won't be around. In
my opinion, So I think that the word potential is
great in high school, pretty good in college, but the

(39:01):
NFL potential is a really bad thing because you lose
with the potential. And my second and I don't know
much about football compared to you guys, but could you
explain to me about what you thought about the time
management at the end of the second and fourth quarter,
because I'm if I'm right, in the second quarter, we

(39:22):
kept throwing the ball until finally we didn't have enough
time and gave them the ball back with a considerable
amount of time. So thank you, thank you for taking
my call. And I was just curious if you if
you'd talk about that.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Okay, now I'll begin with this when it comes to
time clock management, and there's there are one of the
things that I think is and you are correct about potential, Dave.
I appreciate the call. Shane Steichen was a coach that
when he first came in. I think that our thought
process was like, there's you know, they were tapping into

(39:53):
the potential, right, the offensive minded coach, the quarterback minded coach.
But now he is going to have to grow into
being the head coach. And I think one of the
things about being a head coach that is a challenge
for any young head coach is and I think Shane
Steichen would tell you early in his tenure this was

(40:13):
the case, and that is that I always say, you know,
the arrows are flying so fast and things are going
past you at such a rate that you know you're
looking at it and you go back and you say,
I should have called a time here, I should have
called but things are happening so fast you don't necessarily
stop and look at it in a vacuum itself. If

(40:37):
I'm not mistaken, and I could be wrong in this,
I believe at the end of the first half, at
the end of the second quarter, they actually ended with
the ball, did they not?

Speaker 7 (40:46):
The Colts, So they're starting to drive a little bit,
they get pass heavy. Next thing, you know, they had
a penalty, so it's you know, they get backed up
first in twenty Daniel Jones. This was three minutes left,
Danil Jones incompletion Jonathan Taylor six yard run on thirty
and twenty, So they have the clock moving. That's when
Rico Bartel Sanchez and this was an important sequence, Jake

(41:08):
Is that's when Sanchez, so they can gave it back
to two minutes left, right, Yeah, with two fourteen left
and thirteenth plays ninety six yards in zone touchdown.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, so they I would agree with the fact that
it's questionable that you go with that number of pass
plays if you want to be nitpicky at the end
of the second quarter, because it allows that much more
time when you give it back to the Rams and
then you know, in the end of the game itself.
I mean, obviously there it's tough because you have the

(41:39):
they they get the first down to Mitchell actually, and
then the pick happens and then the game is over, right,
But I thought they I wasn't unhappy with the amount
of time that they could have had to go down
the field at the end of the game, per se.
I mean, there were and I'm trying to think of
the other game that I watched. You see it so
much in the NFL Now Sunday Night game last night,
which was a fabulous game obviously, but green Bay completely,

(42:03):
oh my gosh, miss it. And then you know green
Bay in the way that they scored, you kind of
knew that they gave Dallas too much time, right, well, yeah,
and then the overtime, like there's twenty seconds left on
the on the second down play and Jordan Left's is
casually Yeah, it's like trying to get to the end
zone with what one second left or something. Yeah, man,

(42:24):
if that ball doesn't hit him square the defenders square
on the back and just fall right to the ground,
they gave me over Yeah, you're right, You're right, because, yeah,
he was too careless at the end there with how
much time was left on that final play. Yeah, my
point being, Dave, it is one thing that I think
more often than not, I think the number one thing

(42:44):
to be able to look back on and question is
clock management with teams. And I think that what separates
probably average coaches or good coaches even from elite coaches
are those that handle that situation because more often than not,
it's the easiest thing to second guess, and I think
that I just think that coaches get caught up in

(43:07):
the quickness of what's happening, and even the best of
the best, the arrows are flying too fast for him.
I know that that's kind of a cop out answer,
but you know, as for Shane Steichen and what he
had to say after the game, now, Nick sent me
a text said, Jake, I'm going to predict it right now.

(43:29):
Stiken's simply going to say they got to clean some
stuff up. Let's hear if that's what he says.

Speaker 8 (43:33):
Penalties. It really comes down to fundamental and technique and
the penalties, and it's really it's been in the red zone,
you know the last couple weeks. We got to clean
that up because that's huge. I mean, there was probably
a couple where we kind of had score thirty four,
you know, with touchdowns. I gotta go back and look
at Warren's play there where he caught it down to
the three. Look at that one and obviously the big
run JT. You know, to take the lead there. So

(43:53):
I gotta get those cleaned up.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Eddie.

Speaker 12 (43:56):
What do you know, not once but twice, right, Hell yeah,
they clean it up it's a clean up Monday, right,
been a while since we've had to clean things up,
but they got to clean some things up.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
You know, when I think clean, I think Mike Chapel,
we're going to clean it up. Chap joins us next Monday,
one o'clock. You know what that means. Mike Chapel CBS
four and wxin Fox fifty nine to break down what
happened with the Colts. And again I'll summarize what I
said earlier and then we'll let chap kind of opine

(44:37):
from there. I know it was a disappointing game yesterday
the Colts. Now though, three and one. You take the
good with that, because if I would have told anybody
back in early August the Colts are going to be
three and one through the first four games, all of
you would have taken that. And you know, eight days
a week to quote the Beatles and Adie Mitchell yesterday
was Yes, he is the target that we're going to

(45:00):
talked the most about. But there were a lot of
other things that did them in. You know, eleven penalties
did him in. The ten men on the field did
him in. The depleted secondary did them in. And it's
easy to say that that all falls on the fault
of Ady Mitchell, but at some point it becomes the
fault of those that continue to tell us to be

(45:21):
patient with him when we knew that immaturity and lack
of focus were the reasons that he was the eleventh
receiver taken in the year that he was selected, and
that's the reason why we've had to wait and wait
and wait. Was just that maturity issue. Now I'm not
saying he's a bad guy, but as a player, still
an immature guy. But we'll see how he bounces back
from it. Mike Chapel joining us now on the program.

(45:42):
A chap Your overall I guess thoughts are observations from
yesterday or a storyline perhaps that was overshadowed by Ady Mitchell.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Well, one quick takeaway is I'm really kind of encouraged
because I think there was some question about whether these
guys were legit. I really kind of think that, Well,
you know, Denver gave you the game, and you played
a crappy Miami team and Tennessee's the worst team in
the league. They may not win a game. The Rams

(46:13):
are good, the Rams are very good, right, and you
just should have won the game, should have, would have,
could it? All that kind of stuff. So I'm encouraged
by the fact that I think these guys are legit.
I really do, and cho own lorder liveit. I thought
these guys could start six and two, I really did,

(46:33):
if they got confident quarterback play, and they've gotten more
than that. So I'm not totally shocked. Having said that,
My goodness, that's the game was there for you, and
there were probably I don't know five or six things
that went wrong. There's no downplaying Mitchell's screw ups. It's

(46:57):
fourteen points. It's fourteen points, and uh, I don't know
how to explain. It's funny. Last year in December, I
think it was we're talking with Jonathan Taylor in Denver,
maybe November. I came when it was December, I think,
and and I'm thinking, you know, I've seen I've been
around a long time, and I haven't seen that in forever,

(47:20):
and now yesterday thinking, I mean, I haven't seen that
since I don't know December. So you just you just
can't do that. And Jonathan Taylor wasn't celebrating. He just
dropped the football ad Mitchell I think was shoe Bolten
was gonna put the ball out with his right hand
and all that. Yeah, it's one of those like act

(47:42):
like you've been there before. Well in the NFL, he
hasn't been so uh. And then the holy on Taylor.
We had like the third or fourth third straight game
with Taylor just doing something ridiculously brilliant and it gets
called back because Mitchell sort of have tackled the guy
on the perimeter. So that's fourteen points. And Taylor's touchdown

(48:06):
was with like two minutes to play, and yeah, the
Rams might have tied up. I don't know so. But
then like you, like you said, somebody tell me why
you've got Xavier Howard on Ontua. I the object is
to take away the other team's best player, the other
team's best players Nakua, and you put Xavier Howard on him,

(48:28):
and he hasn't played well since he's been here.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I guess if they put Mooney Ward on on on Nakua,
then Devontae Adams goes off. But I would risk that,
so I and then ten minutes on the field, what
are you doing? What's that about? So it was just
incredible mistakes and you're still right there I'm curious to

(48:55):
how they they react with two things with a D.
Mitchell is you know, hopefully they get pierced back this
week and that will diminish more of eight sides. But
you're right, they say, bear with us. This kid's gonna
be a great play. He's great talent.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
The catch was incredible, Jap it looked there has never
let me tell you something you remember Bo Jackson? Right, sure,
I've always felt like Bo Jackson. And probably the most
famous game that Bo Jackson played in was that Monday
night game against the Raid against the Seahawks in Seattle
when he was with the Raiders and he ran over

(49:33):
the bas But the other play in that game is
the one where he turns the corner and he takes
off down the sideline and he's running so fast he
goes right into the tunnel.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
I've always said that that perfectly encapsulated him, because just
when you realized what you had seen before your very eyes,
he disappeared. And it was the perfect synopsis of a
player's career in one play. That might have been the
perfect synopsis of ad Mitchell because we were we saw
why we've been told to be so patient. And then
we saw why we've had to be patient because he

(50:05):
made a knucklehead play all in one fell swoop right.
I mean, it was the perfect synopsis. The question for
me becomes, how does he respond? How does he respond?
And do we know do we have enough body of
work to this point to say from a mental standpoint
that that might be the play that defines him?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
No, we don't. We know we've don't. We don't, And
I understand your question. I'm more curious how the team
responds to it. You know, roster spots are so you know, premium.
And I'm not saying you yet the guy. I'm not
saying that at all, but it's this is a game

(50:47):
of trust and you have to and they said all
the right things after the game, we have bath and trust,
and yet he had it well based on what, I mean,
you know, based on what And I'm going to try
not to pile on him too much, but but this
is big boy football. It's it's your profession and they
preach accountability. That that's what the Chames sticker says, Well,

(51:10):
it starts with me starting. Okay, but but you're not
out there dropping the ball at the one yard line.
You're not out there getting roasted every play by Nikua.
So I I the accountability would would be to find
somebody other than Xavian Howard to play at corner. I
don't think they get Kenny Moore back this week, and

(51:31):
then even less, see Alan Pierce misses another game. He's
never missed two games of the concussion. But then you
see more of Ashton Dulan. You just do so I
I don't know. I'm I'm more curious how the team
responds than I am. I don't know that I expected
it from Xavian Howard, how he responds. He's just he's

(51:54):
not playing well.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
You know, Chap in terms of the way the team
responded to Ady Mitchell yesterday, And I'll start with that response.
I get it, and they said the right things, and
we'll play you know, audio for everybody coming up here
with Daniel Jones and Sire Franklin what they had to say.
But is there a fine line in the NFL between
having a guy's back and coddling a guy?

Speaker 8 (52:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
We see, yeah, yeah, we've seen that a quarterback here
the last couple of years. Yeah, there is. Don't talk
to accountability and then you know, do the old definition
of insanity. So yeah, I think again this is a
chance for us to see what their accountability level is. Again,

(52:40):
I want to say it two spots, because Xavid Howard
wasn't good yesterday. He just wasn't wasn't good the week
before the week before that. So so yeah, that's a
really good point. And your tolerance level for coddling goes
up with a player's resume and his talent, And right

(53:03):
now A d Mitchell doesn't have much in the bank
to keep saying well, you know, patient, No, you only
play seventeen games. It's a long season. It is. You
play seventeen games, and you know, things even out against
should have lost to Denver, you should have won yesterday,

(53:23):
so they sort of even out. But I would hate
for these guys in January, the max a boy like
like last year in Denver. They losing game in Denver
and it cost him.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
It cost him.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
So I'm I want to see how they deal with it.
I want to see how this team bounces back against
the Raiders who showed you what they can be yesterday.
But this is still a good team. But you just
can't go on and say, well, these guys will come
out of this on their own, because that's you can't
you can't bank on that.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Are we burying the lead though, in the fact that
we're so focused on the eighty Mitchell play. Mike Chapler
guests from CBS four and WXA and Fox fifty nine.
The Dean of Coult writers, we were so focused on
the Mitchell mistakes that and I agree with you Chap
fundamentally that there were things that were encouraging about that game,
but there were also just such incredible mental errors, like

(54:18):
the eleven penalties and like having only ten men on
the field and the most critical play of the game.
How does that happen?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
No question, I don't know. I can't bind them sort
of seet He said, we had a feeling before the
play that things weren't right, and then he said his
players and his coaches. He pointed into the coaches as well,
they got coach, they get they got more coaches than
you've got fans, Jake, I mean, they got coaches everywhere,
and somebody is responsible for getting the right guys out there.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Did you say that I have fans? Is that what
you said, that I have fans? I said, because that
would be Listen, your grandson's basketball team at the Beach Grove.
Why has more coaches than I have fans?

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Right, well, that would be that, that would be the
Mount Vernon Wide. But now but they've got people that
they got people to do that. I mean to make
sure you've got the right the right people, the right
a number of people from crying out louts. Maybe it
wouldn't have mattered because Blackman fell down and you leave

(55:26):
that well wide open and running through. Maybe that the
extra player would have been somewhere else it would have mattered.
But that doesn't matter. You got to have you know,
like like mine have said ten verses eleven, you're gonna lose.
You're gonna lose, and you just know that when a
guy's open like that, Matthew Stafford is gonna find him.
He he just hit him astride. So that's how I

(55:49):
say that. There were so many mistakes from a team
that for the first three games didn't do much wrong,
no turnovers, and you know they have to love penalty
against Denver. I think it was but by and large
they played pretty clean and yesterday was in bud Cletan.
There was pressure on Jones. The second interception I don't

(56:11):
throw I guess you had some time outs and all that,
but I thought he he, he would be down my
list of worries. Jonathan Taylor played well, Josh Stown's made
some key plays, past protection was not very good. I thought,
even with two sacks Uh and dumb Donny, you still
could have should have won the game if if Mitchell

(56:32):
doesn't mugged the guy on the on the end, and
Jonathan Taylor gives you another highlight.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
You know the thing, Chap, that's encouraging because you know,
I know they lost, and I know people want to,
you know, fret and complain, and I get it after
a loss. But the reality is this, now that we've
seen four games, and you're right, Tennessee is terrible. I
mean they're terrible, right, Tennessee and Carolina they're they're awful, right,

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two worst teams in the league. But now that we've
seen them go into LA and we're talking about how
the Colts cost themselves, you know, it's like the Rams
didn't beat the Colts. The Colts beat the Colts. And
so when you look at that, you have to be
encouraged because now you start looking at the schedule wondering
where they're going to lose another game. I mean, the

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going to LA and taking on the Chargers is going
to be a big challenge, but coming back and getting
the Raiders and Cardinals at home, I mean, they've got
a chance, to your point, to be five and one,
and then you know, maybe they go five and two.
But outside of that, the schedule is pretty favorable for them.
I mean, this legitimately looks like the in fact, the

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groundwork is there for them to be a not just
a playoff team, but a contending playoff team. Am I beat?
Am I too bullish? Too early?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
No?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
That because again I kind of again I saw that
as a possibility just because so much is on the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
It just is.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
And they've gotten very, very good play from the quarterback.
But has they said that then you can't do stupid
things around him? And again he was he was far
from perfect yesterday. But again that's why I say, part
of me is encouraged by how they played, just because
they went out there and they had a chance to

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win the game they did. In the past, I think
the Colt's team might go out there against a quality
Rams team or whatever and just give boat race and
that wasn't the case. So again I'm encouraged by that,
But then you come back to the bottom line, and
you can't do ten things wrong and beat a good team.

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Can't do it. Kevin Bowden had a good point. Was
it the end of the first half where the Sanchez
pins him at the four yard line and the Rams
go ninety six yards at the end of the half? Yep,
that's you just can't do that. So but they still
held them to twenty until the late touchdown. So again,

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very very a lot of reasons to be encouraged. But
if you think you can go out there and do
that kind of stuff week after a week, you're delusional.
Chapter three turnovers get your beat.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
The issue at defensive backfield in the defensive backfield, you know,
and Xavier and Howard to your point, I'd like, you know,
it would be easy to throw the Colts under the
bus there and say what in the world are they doing?
But it's not necessarily their fault. I mean, if there's
something to be to give them a pass, I guess
if you will, it's the fact that they're having to
play with guys in those positions that weren't even on

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the roster when training camp began because of attrition. Can
you literally limp your way in waiting for Jalen Jones
Kenny Moore to come back, or are they in the
situation where they're going to have to start scanning the
free agent wires again?

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Well, free agent wires, that's that's where you got Jamian Howard.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
That's right, But I mean right, no, I I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I if I'm not mistaken, I think Jalen Jones as
l's worth come off this week now. Whether he's read
or not, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
Again, Kenny says he's not one more week, right, yeah,
because that was week one, right, Chap, So you're here
have to miss.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
You're right, You're right, he's got one more. He's got
one more week.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Play Jonathan Edwards some more. I don't know. Uh, most
teams aren't going to have Coupah DeVante Adams combination again.
I just come back to Bill Belichick was great on
taking again. He would take a guy away, Marvin Drian,
Riggie somebody and make somebody else beat you. I would

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rather you make DeVante Adams beat me. And he's a great,
great player. Then Nakua had one hundred and seventy yards
career high and is his third career high. If you remember,
came as a rookie again the coach when he had
won sixty three, and he designed that to cover him
in overtime. Uh So, I just make somebody else beat you,

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make somebody the Nico Connins beat you. And I just
will talk to Lou and Amo tomorrow, and I just
want to understand why you continually put Xavian Howard on
their best player. The nine yard touchdown they put, they
put Howard on him, and I don't get it. I
just don't get it. I realize I'm not a football savant,

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but I just want somebody else to beat me. And
that's not what happened yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Mike Chapel, our guest, chap let's go to this when
you look at you know again we've nitpicked the negatives here, right,
Let's go with three positives. You talked about Jonathan Taylor,
but aside from that, I'll start with Daniel Jones. I
thought yesterday, and you tell me if you agree with this.

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It was very interested to see how he would respond
to his first pick, and obviously he threw to yesterday.
But we've seen quarterbacks where the wheels can kind of
come off especially early in a game, in that situation
and in a hostile environment. I thought he was pretty

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poised and over the course of the game, especially like
that Mitchell throw, he put the ball at times where
it needed to be. I thought he was impressive yesterday.
But am I too kind?

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
No, And again we've kind of had lower standards on
what we thought what we think efficient play is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
I thought he was fine.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I just you know, he anderthrows what was Mitchell on
the first one deep for the interception? If he lays
it out there, it's probably a long game. I thought
he played fine. He played winning football. The interception at
the end. He got too greedy too soon, I thought.
But made some great plays downs, a couple of great

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throws to Tyler Warren. That kid, gosh, that kid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
He just they keep finding different ways to use him,
which we knew they would, you know, the wildcat and
the and then the full back with the touchdown, and
they had their own version of the toushbush to get
him in. So I thought Jones played fine. Again, if
you want to list ten things that went wrong, he's
number ten. Which again that's why I say it's encouraging,

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because I think You're right, A lot of a lot
of people are waiting for the wheels to come off
and say, oh, that's why it didn't go right, and
in the in New York, that's why the Giants got.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Rid of him. And we haven't seen that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Uh, And I don't think we're going to see some
of the mistakes moving forward. The Bernard Ryman had a
bad game, holding penalties in the red zone and and
all that were. I still not sure what Tyler Warren
did on his past interference. I need to see again.
We're not gonna see a lot of that moving forward.

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We're not gonna see living penalties moving forward. So I thought,
if I thought it's the wheels, we're gonna come off, yes,
it was a great day for that to happen with Jones,
and it did not happen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
You know what's funny, Chap. I mean, you know you've
been covering the NFL since it came to Indianapolis. It
seems to me like offensive line, and you tell me
if I'm wrong here, but it seems to me like,
in particular, left tackle is the position where even the

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very best to play the position just have an occasional
off day, Like it just is one of those. I
think it's a timing position, and you know, you have
quarterbacks gonna have an off day, sure, but it seems
like the very best of tackles or guards that we
have seen come through this town, even the very best

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of them, have games where just like psychologically, they're just
off and their timing is just off for the day,
and then the next week they kind of get back
on the horse again. That seemed to be the case
yesterday with Ryman, did it not?

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
I hope so? And again I wish I was to
look at my notes. I thought he missed part of
the day of practice last week with an illness, and
now whether he's been fighting something, I don't know. The
Rams have a really good front seven. They really do
got There was one play that Jared Verse just ran
over the borderline. Holy smokes. But you know, if you're

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not on top of your game, yell exposure, they simply
will because they've got guys that everybody's got guys that
are that good. And it's sort of the unfair nature.
But the reality of the business is if a left
tackle has three bad plays, he has a bad game,
right And if the right end had three good plays

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and forty seven terrible plays. He's an all pro, so
it a lie even just can't afford to have bad plays.
I think Bernio bounce back, he's he's he's been okay,
not as good as he's been, but he's He's not high.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
On my list of worries either.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
You know, it's interesting when Mike Hilton had to play,
you know, when when the Rams had the fumble and
immediately they're like, Mike Hilton comes flashing in and makes
a play, and I'm like, you know, he kind of
got credit for it, and he was in the right
place to cause a disruption, but it almost in the
replay You're like, no, I think actually there was he's

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spinning out of the play and the fumble happens, and
so Hilton kind of got credit there, but you got
to be in position. I guess he was. You know,
he was in the right spot. But my point being,
there are some guys that you can put into situation
like Hilton where you just pick him up and you
put him in there and he's familiar with the defense
and he's able to at least be in position, and

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then others like Howard that it just seems like the
expiration date has come well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
And again he didn't play last year and he had
that was at the foot injury in twenty three with Miami,
and he sort of made it sound like that he
didn't play last year. It wasn't because of the foot.
It was because of situations. But he didn't play last year.
I mean, it's if a guy is healthy enough, then

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at that position, somebody's gonna give you a chance. They
just are. So something went on there. All I know
is that he's not been what they thought. And just
because he and Lou have a history, okay, so what
you know that that's got an expiration date too, And
you know, I'm really curious to hear what Lou has
to say, yes tomorrow or late tomorrow when he talks

(01:07:43):
with the media, because it's kind of like the old
Daisy and Lucy. You know, you got some explaining the dude.
Just because it was a strange game.

Speaker 7 (01:07:52):
Defensive wind chap I thought with no alec Pearce that
there was baby the potential to get Josh downs going.
He plays thirty eight of the sixty one snaps, has
four catches for twenty four yards. Is there something going
on that we don't know. I understand Tyler Warren takes
away a lot of the things that you know, Josh
Downs likes to do, but they just seemingly have not
been able to get him going. And I think yesterday

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was the lowest snapcount of the season despite no Alean
Kruscher downs, no.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Tyler Warreon, no Tyler Warren takes away a lot of
Josh Downs. He does, he does. Heavy said that Josh
Downs needs to be more involved, and that's why Alec
Pierce is sort of the ideal guy to be in
this receiver rotation because I think it's an amazing thing
about Alec Pears is how unselfish externally he is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Now he may boil.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Inside, but he seems like he's just fine getting four
targets and three catches because he's gonna make a couple
of big plays, and I think that's very rare for
a receiver, it really is. But they need to get
Downs again. The fat that people need to remember is
Josh had had more catches in his first two years

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than any player in franchise history, and this franchise is
have some pretty good receivers, so they need to get
in more involved. He's the guy that I think has
to be frustrated by his his lack of involvement. But
it's hard to do that when you're three and one
and whenever they go to him, it's like third and

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seven and he gets you eight or more. Uh, he's
the one that they need to find more targets. But Doggne,
I think a lot of us talked in the offseason
that Tyler Warren is going to get a lot of
that stuff, and there are you know, they put Michael
Pittman's off to a good start and so JT. So

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there are only so many targets in a game. I
don't think they want to throw the ball forty times
a game or whatever. What did Jones with the twenty
three or thirty four? That's probably a few too many
for them. Yeah, Josh Stawns is a guy that they've
got to find a way to get more involved. I
agree with that. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
The again, the funny thing about it, to put a
tie on all of it, Chap, is the fact that
they're three and one. And if I would have told
you when I was handing you a Beatles shirt back
at camp that they were going to start out three
and one and that we would be nitpicking, like two
boneheaded plays to cost them. You would have said, sign
me up all day long, right, sign me up all

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day long for that good question.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
It's all about you know they always break down the
season into quarters. Without screwy seventeenth game, you're three and one.
I mean you're telling me you wouldn't take that back
in August like you said you would. I would much
rather be three and one, no one. I've got things
to fix than being on and for and say, man,

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how do we fix this? Because the things that were
messed up yesterday are fixable, and I'm curious how they
go about trying to fix them. Uh that's again the
next couple of days. I want to hear what we
get changed stacking later. I don't know that he's gonna
give with a lot just because he wants to see
the tape, and that's that's what coaches do. They're not

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going to really dive deep into it. I think I
think Lou will give us some insight on what the
heck's going on and how personnel wise. Personnel wise, you're
not gonna be able to address it until you get
a couple of these.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Guys back twenty four of thirty three. Yesterday Daniel Jones
to sixty two with a touch and two picks. We
will come from Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Thirty three passes are okay.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
I can deal with that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah, I see johnath Tae get a few more carries,
but that's just me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Taylor seventeen for seventy six. We'll hear from Daniel Jones.
We'll let you know what he had to say coming
up in just a couple of minutes. Chap appreciate the
time as always, Thank you you guys being well. Mike Chapel,
CBS four and WXA and Fox fifty nine will let
you hear from Daniel Jones. Desire Franklin coming up. And
yesterday was glorious for a number of reasons. And I

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don't mean the football game. It was glorious and in
all its glory, there is one person that has to
be the happiest, one person who yesterday went to bed
and said, gosh, dart it today was as good a
day as I ever could have imagined. I'll tell you
who next, not gonna lie to you. I like the

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late starts. I like the late start on a Sunday
to get up do what you need to do in
the morning, whether it be go to a family breakfast,
whether it be go to church, whether it be you know,
enjoy working out in the yard, whatever. And yesterday was glorious.
I mean it was gorgeous. I don't know if you
know this or not, Eddie, but yesterday, basically and this

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morning when you got up and you're on your way
into work, that's what it's like in Los Angeles, like
three hundred and sixty days a year. Los angel Diego.

Speaker 7 (01:12:50):
I was about to say Los Angeles or San Diego, Jake,
San Diego as well. You get that coastal breeze. Beautiful boy,
I wish I was going to Los Angeles. The playoffs
taken on the Dodgers. How about that man, the Reds
Now miracles do exist, Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Okay, allow me to ask this before we get to
back into who was the most happy yesterday, Not name
the Reds. I know that I went on my old
man rant and people told me to get off the
lawn whatever a couple of weeks ago. But the Reds
didn't even win their I mean, they basically backed their
way into the playoffs because the Marlins took care of

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the Mets and the Reds were in I believe Milwaukee,
right they were, and they went out in the field
and they still did like a champagne thing.

Speaker 7 (01:13:36):
They saw Jake that it was the first time they
made the playoffs in years.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
I get it.

Speaker 7 (01:13:41):
But you tell them the Reds some credit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Come on, now, Reds and Dodgers, Cubs and Padres, right.

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
I mean they let's see, they won nine of their
last thirteen games.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
I've got Is it unusual that I have a team
I'm rooting for in the NL and a team I'm
rooting for in the AL? Not at all? Who is
your ale team? I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:14:04):
I haven't picked one yet.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
I'll be rooting for the Blue Jays in the American League,
of course, of course, I'm the Reds in the Nation League.

Speaker 7 (01:14:10):
Boys, Okay, Boston in New York. I didn't even see that.
That's juicy, juicy stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
So yesterday, of all the baseball teams, we're talking about,
all the teams in the National Football League that won
the two happiest guys on Earth yesterday sitting back rubbing
their hands, saying, bring it on, baby. I'm assuming this
is still the case. At least it was a year
ago in terms of representation c J. Leboy and Michael Swinson. CJ.

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Lea Boy and Michael Swinson. Swinson is not the guy
that owns the fabulous ice cream part of that used
to be in Glendale. No, Michael Swinson and c J.
Leboy are the co agents for Alec Pearce. And you've
got to think that yesterday, Alec Pierce his value continued
to go up because if you're the Colts and you're

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thinking to themselves, you know what, we can let like
Pierce go in free agency if somebody comes along to
make him big deal. Because we got Adie Mitchell. I'm
not saying Adie Mitchell doesn't show that he's got some talent,
but Adie Mitchell also absolutely shows that he's got some
growing up to do. Daniel Jones is the quarterback that
was throwing the ball to Adie Mitchell. His thoughts from

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Daniel Jones yesterday on the Ady Mitchell fumble.

Speaker 13 (01:15:23):
He made a heck of a catch from that play
to get to the ball there. Incredible, incredible catch. Yeah,
I many tough play for sure, you know, after such
a tremendous effort and just lost the ball there at
the end. But feel for him. I know, I know
he he hurts with that, but you know he'll bounce back.
And he's a hard working guy. He's in there every

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day grinding. So we all have a lot of faith
in a D. And you know, I'll continue to have
a ton of faith in a D. And you know,
one play doesn't define any ball game.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
You know, we didn't do enough today to win the game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
One play does not. That's correct, So why not add
to it. One play doesn't define a ballgame? So let's
have a second like, for example, that Johnathan Taylor run.
And yes, you could certainly make the case or make
the point that Jonathan Taylor does not get that long
touchdown run without the hold from Ady Mitchell, maybe that's

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what sprung him free. But nonetheless, Mitchell still has that
second play, and thus that does even more define yesterday
the game. And we'll see how long we will remember
it as the Ady Mitchell game. Johnanthan Taylor, you would think,
probably was grateful and I'm saying that facetiously for the
fact that Adie Mitchell by dropping that ball, Yes, it

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reawakened our memory, our PTSD of that Johnathan Taylor play
in Denver, but at the same time kind of took
Taylor off the hook because now it's like, oh good,
the running back no longer is the guy that we
think of for the most boneheaded drop of the football
going into the end zone. That now belongs to Adie Mitchell.
But with all of that going into it, because because
after that play took place with Mitchell, the next series out,

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they showed Mitchell, you know, in the huddle and he's
just kind of wandering. He was like the lonely kid
in right field and little league, just wandering picking daisies off.
Aside from the huddle, they showed him on the sidelines
almost seemed inconsolable. And for a guy that his mental
focus has been the question mark to this point, then

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you wonder what his mental focus is going to be
coming off of that. Daniel Jones, leader of the offense,
quarterback of the team, what exactly do you say to
Adie Mitchell after a game like that where not one,
now but two plays might have defined.

Speaker 13 (01:17:40):
It, making sure he knows I'm going to keep coming
to him and keep counting on him and communicate that
to him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
He cares a lot about this.

Speaker 13 (01:17:48):
He works hard, he's you know he's one of those guys,
so just kind of encourage him to play the next play,
move forward, and you know that's the communication there. But
like I said, one play doesn't define the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Well again, a second kind of did. Now in terms
of going to him, I was very intrigued by this
for a couple of possessions. I made a note as
soon as that play happened with Mitchell, I went to
the box score and looked at the number of targets

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he'd had. He had three to that point, and I thought,
what are the odds at the end of the game
that it's going to be three targets to Adie Mitchell
and that the Colts are just going to say, it's fine,
but we're just not going to go to you.

Speaker 10 (01:18:36):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
You know, we have seen quarterbacks in this town that
there are two different things that kind of become their
calling card. If you look at Peyton Manning and Peyton
Manning's time, I think receivers knew that you only got
so many looks that he would go to you before
he would then go in a different direction or find
another guy that he trusted. Not forever, but I'm saying

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over the course the game and Andrew luck is a
player that the big number of times that his team
would score on possessions after he had thrown a pick,
and his ability to quote Ted Lasso to be a
goldfish and just flip from that. And in Daniel Jones' case,
I was curious not only of would he go away

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from Ady Mitchell, but after throwing the early pick, for example,
would he settle in? And I thought Jones did. I
thought he looked confident yesterday. I thought he looked pretty
much in command. But late in the game, first off,
after that one of the possessions right after the Ady
Mitchell drop is when the Colts needed to play and

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they went to Ashton Doolan, who is kind of Ashton
Dulan just kind of seems like that guy that you
don't you know, he's the he's the copier guy. One
of my terms every off has it the guy that
everybody's sitting around. It's like, what's going on, Like we
have the copier is not working. And then literally it's
like in this building, it's Scotty. Call Scotty, he'll know

(01:20:08):
what to do. I have a question for you, Jake.

Speaker 7 (01:20:10):
This is more philosophical than anything else in your belief.
If you're in that position with Shane Steichen, are you
one that would rather bench him for a couple series
so that he can get his mind back in the
game or on the first play of the next series,
do you go right back to him to take a
quarterback questions? No, great question. I think that's your quarterback question,
that that that goes to the quarterback. That's and yes,

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we've kind of seen both of that in this town
over the years in terms of what the quarterback does.
And they went to Dulan is my point, Like Duelan
the copier guy, is that they bring him in and
they go to him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Maybe that was to kind of wake up eighty Mitchell.
But late in the game, you notice on that last
drive when they needed a first down, I think it
was a third and ten, maybe they go to a
twelve yard play two eighty Mitch and he makes that play.
Now in that moment, does I don't you know you're
not designing as the play caller, meaning Shane Stikeen to

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go to a specific guy, But it's well within the
first or second of your progression, and Jones went to him,
and so they did give him opportunity to close it,
I guess in making a play for them, and then
obviously the turnover. But Zire Franklin is one that I
noticed during all of that time. When Mitchell came to
the sideline, Zire Franklin was one of the first to

(01:21:31):
go over and really kind of try to lift him up.
Zire Franklin after the game on Adie Mitchell.

Speaker 14 (01:21:37):
It's another example of another young player who made him
had made a great play, made a mistake, and he
know's got to learn from and respond from how he responds.
This is the biggest part to meet. That's a special play.
I don't know anybody else on our team that's able
to catch the ball and then go and do that afterwards.
I would lean into that more than than how to
fit result edavan and just tell him the continue to
build and grow on that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
So, now here's the thing. I get everything he said.
And he is a young player. I mean he'll be
twenty three in a week basically, but he's in his
second year in the NFL. And again, at some point
you got to be able to put that behind you.
There was more than just a Colts game that took
place this weekend. By the way, Aaron Nesmith in about

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forty five minutes. But we come back. Did we see
one of the biggest moments of college football get away
from the state of Indiana and then find its way back.
I'll explain what I mean next. More on the Colts
coming up about fifteen minutes from now to the text

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line we go before I get into what might have
gone away from and come back to Indiana over the weekend. Hey, Jake,
the Reds should celebrate. They won more games that matter
than sixteen other teams. That from Matt and Avon. Hell yes,
Matt from Avon. I appreciate the backing here, Jake. What

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did Carly Urson say? Excuse me, Carly Ursa say yesterday
after the game? I actually did not hear did you
happen to see know anything? I don't know that they well,
they don't. You know, they wouldn't post, obviously the video
from the locker room after the game yesterday because it
was not after a win.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
The Colts aren't mature enough to deal with all the
undefeated talk now that I'll have to deal with that
and have a good chance of having a one lost season.
I don't know that I'd go that far. I mean,
although when you look at the schedule it seems favorable,
but they do have you know, they got to go
to Kansas City. That's gonna be tough. Pittsburgh's kind of
a weird one because does do you think Pittsburgh's you know,

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Pittsburgh's kind of that team right now? Like is Pittsburgh good? Yeah,
you know, I don't know. I mean, did I saw
this from Trey Essex is a good dude, a former
cult and former Steeler, but he was watching the game
yesterday in Amsterdam. There was a lot of question about

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after the Steelers game, the interview that Aaron Rodgers did
with Pam Oliver. Did you happen to hear that, Eddie,
I didn't see if you can pull up. There were
people that were questioning if Pam Oliver was slurring on
the air. And now she's had I think a history
of like migraines or maybe even concussion. She may have
at one point had like a neurological health issue. So

(01:24:29):
I'm not making light of it under any stretch. But
I didn't personally like people were making a huge deal
out of it, and I didn't think it sounded that
terrible to be honest with you, But see if you
can find that. When she was interviewing Aaron Rodgers after
the game yesterday, it went pretty viral in terms of

(01:24:50):
I don't know that I'd say she was slurring. She
just was speaking very slowly. Did you find it by chance?
I think I might have found something, So okay, this
is after the game. You might want to listen to
it first, just to make sure that it's not somebody
doctoring it up. Do we have it here, Pam Oliver? Yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Here we go.

Speaker 9 (01:25:10):
I didn't know if you've got to appreciate it it all,
but the fans, it's terrible tals people having a mighty.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Old good sign.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Were you able to get a sense of what was
going on in your environment?

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
She was speaking very slow there. But I'm gonna say this,
and I've not heard today in any elaboration on that,
but one thing I will where I will give her
benefit of doubt here. When you do live television, oftentimes
you have a lot of audio in your ear, and
especially if you're doing it like that where you are overseas,

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and there's the chance of a reverb or what we
call mixed minus, which is where where every everything thing
you say say is is repeating repeating. It can cause
you to like whoa like and you jump back now,
A lot of times you'll see people pop that little
thing out of their ear. I don't know if that
was the case there, but you can't rule it out.

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But I didn't think that was as egregious as the
people that were like, whoa, what in the world is
going on? But that was kind of the storyline for
a lot of people after that game. But my point being,
you know, are the Steelers good? You know, I don't
know are the Raiders good. The Raiders can run the ball.
We saw that yesterday, but then they missed a field
goal late in Chicago gets that win. But Saturday, I'm

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watching college football and I'm watching Indiana and Iowa. Now,
Chris Dido, former quarterback for Indiana, said the following to me,
which I think was a really really good point talking
about Iowa said, Jake Iowa is an absolute hammer and
hard to play against. In Kennick, Indiana did have an

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answer for Iowa's blitz. They won the game when Mendoza
hits sarat on the all out blitz. That was the
type of game that Iu loses ninety nine percent of
the time by missing the field goal late and then
giving up a big pass play. But they hung in
there and made Iowa pay the price. That was the
type of game that can turn one big play, turn
on one big play, and it did for Indiana. Somehow,

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the football gods continue to shine on the Hoosiers thanks
to the coaching staff led by coach Signetti. Go Hoosiers.
That from Chris Ditto. I think it's a really good point.
And so Indiana, I mean, you want to talk about
clock management. Earlier Dave was calling about clock management. I
have no idea what Iowa was doing in clock management
in that game. But as I'm watching it, and Indiana

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comes down and Mendoza throws a costly pick that seemingly
cost him the game, and Iowa gets the ball and
they run literally the worst clock management in the history
of mankind. But they miss a field goal they could have.
They had a chance essentially to run that clock down

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and then kick a field goal to win the game.
They missed the field goal. It gives Indiana a chance.
That was after a third down incompletion on a screen pass. Yeah,
I mean it was. It was unbelievable. And so Indiana
gets the ball back and as I'm watching it, I'm
thinking to myself.

Speaker 7 (01:28:10):
Also, thank you Cristuda for proving me wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Indiana has never had obviously a Heisman winner, right, And
I mean this, I'm saying Indiana University, not you know,
Notre Dame, obviously has. But the closest that Indiana came
was Anthony Thompson, who lost it to Andre Ware which
was a complete joke in eighty nine and going into

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that game. And it's very early in the college football season,
but Mendoza is getting conversation and many believe is the
front runner right now for the Heisman, partially because there
just really hasn't had you know, we haven't had anybody
that's like completely separated themselves just yet.

Speaker 7 (01:28:56):
And John Mattier is out for a month with a
hand injury.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Hand injury.

Speaker 7 (01:29:00):
I figured that would have been your front runner for Oklahoma.
But since he has that injury, now he's I think,
you say, the quarterback at Oregon is in the mix now,
Rante Mories. You know, Ohio State's got The problem for
Ohio State is that they have multiple guys, right, So
it kind of gets split around a little bit in
terms of their offensive weapons. But Mendoza was His numbers

(01:29:24):
were not great against Iowa, But oftentimes the heisman is
it comes down to you need a signature play. And
I'm not saying that that was a play that resonated
anywhere outside of Bloomington, Indiana or Iowa City, Iowa. But
to step in there as Mendoza did and deliver that

(01:29:45):
ball and that play was as much Elijah Surat as
it was Mendoza. But to deliver that play and put
that ball right where it needed to go to win
that game and steal a victory away from Iowa, that's
the kind of stuff. Even though the numbers were not great.
The problem is the numbers. You look at it and
he was thirteen to twenty three for two thirty three.

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None of that jumps out of you like wow, you
know that's big time quarterback production numbers. But delivering when
his team most needed it and so far in a
year where nobody else really has delivered, maybe that does
put that heisman, keep it that heisman right When you
thought the heisman conversation went away from Indiana, it put

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it right back in the conversation. With Indiana and the
Hoosiers now ranked in the top ten bye week, and
then they go to Oregon, who went into Penn State
and as Penn State always does, James Franklin out four
and twenty one against teams in the top ten. How
about Notre Dame demolishing Arkansas, getting Sam Pittman fired that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Let me tell you they they did. That game was
never in doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:30:56):
I mean there's a butt whooping and then there's whatever
that was a butt whooping, and yeah, that game was
never in doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Never Yesterday, big Colts game in LA. Big Colts loss?

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Or was it?

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
I think there are silver linings amongst the blue and white.
I'll explain and aaron Ne Smith going to join us
thirty five minutes from now. That's how it sounded yesterday.
Colts Radio Network Matt Taylor Joe writes on the call.
You heard from Adie Mitchell there as well as Shane
Steichen as the Colts drop one in LA. And I

(01:31:35):
mentioned earlier and I'll mention it again, and yes, we
have spent the better part of today's show, as I
know the guys did in the morning as well this morning,
and again you heard James Boyd would be back with
them tomorrow. Of course he was traveling back after yesterday's
game this morning. But the reality is, if the Cold

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go on to whatever they do this season, and you
look back on you know, you always have on the sitcoms.
You could always tell when a sitcom was towards the
end of its run and was desperate or whatever else,
when they'd had the episode where the family sits around
and goes over a photo album and they show highlights

(01:32:21):
over the course of the history of the show, funny moments,
you know, the best of that kind of thing. And
the Colts yearbook when you look back on it, no
matter what happens moving forward, when you talk about the
Rams game, it's going to be the Ady Mitchell game.
Just the reality. Yeah, there were a lot of things
that we can nitpick in, a lot of things we

(01:32:42):
can be positive about. I actually find silver linings yesterday.
I find a silver lining in this.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
You know, Nikua and Stafford Torch the Colts all day long.
And Xavier Howard was as Eddie. I believe you called
him burnt Toast, correct, I did, Yes, that used to
be the nickname we had for Nesby Glasgow in this
town at one time, or Eugene Daniels back in the day,
but or Greg Toler, Greig Toler Man, there's a name

(01:33:18):
from the past. But if you look at the Colts
yesterday in the areas where they were deficient, this is
the silver lining. It's players that are there out of
necessity and that weren't necessarily even players that were on
the roster at the beginning of the year, but due
to attrition. You know, Jalen Jones is out and Kenny

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Moore is out, and so you had Howard getting torched.
For example. You had Mike Hilton, who you know, he
made he was in the right spot on a couple
of occasions, but again a guy that is brought in
because he was familiar with lou Anarrumo's defense. And then
you had a situation where Enerumo in a critical moment,

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only had ten players on the field.

Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
And it looked like Jake that Mike Hilton was the
guy that was supposed to be out there that was
not on the field as the eleventh player.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
So again you give a little bit of a reprieve.
I guess in the fact of Okay, there's there's an
acquaintance period, a reacquainting period there or these are guys
that you are not, presumably in the thick of the
year assuming and I know that injuries are like the
dal Jones. I mean it's up and down. But if
you're going full strength, these are not players that you're

(01:34:32):
counting on. And that also goes to Adie Mitchell because
you forget that Alec Pierce was not available, and so
therefore Mitchell gets more looks and it was seemingly kind
of his breakout, but he had three catches. He had
two to the point of that disastrous play where he

(01:34:54):
dropped the football and then he had the costly penalty.
But you can sit there and say we can't win
if we have to be relying on this guy. Well,
you presumably aren't gonna have to be overly reliant on
him for much longer, because Alec Pierce eventually will be back.

(01:35:16):
But when you look at the situation with Alec Pierce,
and I mentioned this with Chap about an hour ago,
but I'll bring it back up the thirty for thirty
that was done on bo Jackson. I've said this numerous times.
Bo Jackson is probably my all time favorite athlete because
he was in his prime and was a marquee cultural

(01:35:40):
phenomenal icon at the time that I was at my
most impressionable, you know, high school years, that kind of thing,
and Bo Nos and all of that. And when they
did the thirty for thirty on Bo Jackson, I loved
it for that reason. But the one thing where it
just always drove me nuts where I thought they aired
was the middle of the documentary about Bo Jackson, they

(01:36:02):
talk about the big moneynet football game that he had
in Seattle where he ran over Brian Bosworth and that
was the defining moment of his career, no question, as
a football player. But in that game also he had
the I think it was eighty two yard touchdown run
where he turned the corner and the entire Seahawk defense

(01:36:23):
had the angle on him, including Kenny Easley, who was
an all pro level player, and Bo Jackson smoked all
of them and it wasn't close. And then he ran
into the tunnel and Al Michaels, you know, and Dan
Diardore from they're laughing and they're like, he just went
past Takoma, you know, where the Raiders are going in
to look for him. And I always thought that where

(01:36:44):
that documentary aired is there is no play for a
player in their career that more personifies who and what
they were than that, because just when you realized what
you had seen, he was gone and that was exactly
his career. And yesterday, that play with Ady Mitchell was
exactly that potential moment. Because it is entirely possible. I

(01:37:08):
don't think it's probable, but it's possible that we will
look back even a year from now and say that
play absolutely personified Ady Mitchell because it wrapped everything into one.
When Ady Mitchell was selected and I said ten was
a big number. Yesterday, I believe the penalty where Mitchell

(01:37:33):
got called for the hold that negated Jonathan Taylor's big
run was the tenth penalty of the day. They had
eleven total. There were ten men on the field, not eleven.
When they needed that big stop and La scored that touchdown,
they had the play holding on number ten. And yes,
you could make the argument that Jonathan Taylor would not

(01:37:55):
have had a touchdown on that run if not for
the hold. I get it. But and Ady Mitchell, wait
for it, had ten wide receivers taken before him. A
year ago when he came into the draft. But here's
a guy that was a two time national champion in
college that played for two of the biggest programs in
college football. That is great speed, good size, and ten

(01:38:22):
wide receivers went before him. And the reason that is
we were told is when they drafted him, we were
told repeatedly, no, listen, this guy has all the skills,
He has all the talent in the world. He has
everything you're looking for. He jumped out at us on tape.
He had a wonderful combine, but there were question marks

(01:38:47):
from other teams about him because of lack of And
I'm not saying a bad guy. I'm not saying he's
walking around the Colts Complex firing whipper snappers at people.
I'm not saying that he puts whoope cushions on people
seat when they sit down at lunch. And I'm not
saying that he's not that he has to study extra
hours for his driver's exam. I don't know anything about

(01:39:09):
him as in terms of his character or his intellect
or any of those things.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
I just know this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
I know that when he came into the league, the
scouting report book on Ady Mitchell was that he was
still immature and lacked focus, that he didn't have the
attention to detail necessary to be an every down reliable
receiver in the National Football League, but everything else was there.

(01:39:40):
And it's like I said earlier, it's like when you
buy a car that looks as sleek, if not more sleek,
than every other car on the lot, and it's got
the and it's coming out and it's it's coming out
of one of the best manufacturing plants. It's got the
name recognition, it's sleek as hell, it's got a good
looking code of paint on it, and you're like, why

(01:40:02):
in the world is this car fifteen percent less expensive
than every other car in the lot. This is the
deal of all deals. So you get it, and then
twenty thousand miles into it, it sprays radiator fluid all
over four sixty five and you're left calling triple A
and you're like, well, now, I guess I see why
the car was available at that price. And in eighty

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Mitchell's case, that play personified everything we've been told about
him because he makes that spin, he makes essentially a
one hint of grab, spins his body away where I
think even he was surprised that he got away, and
then he takes off down the sideline and you're like, whoa,
look at this speed, and he's gone, and you're like,
there it is. There's the reason the Colts have been patient.

(01:40:46):
There's the reason the Colts sold us on why they
drafted him. There's the reason why, like Reggie Wayne, his
position coach, we were told that once it breaks out
of its shell, it's going to break out of a shell.
And literally it is going to be like the caterpillar
coming out of the cocoon that's now a gorgeous butterfly,

(01:41:08):
and watch it float. And just as you're thinking that,
every reason why we were hesitant flashes before our eyes.
He doesn't have the focus to finish and get to
the finish line. He doesn't have the maturity to run
all the way through the end zone before holding up

(01:41:29):
the football, or whatever it was that he was decided.
I don't know that anybody asked like, what were you
trying to do? You're wide open, there's no one around you.
You don't need to change hands, you don't need to
pull the tony door set and move it over to
your right hand, because you know the defense is coming
from the left. Was he getting ready to And I'm
wearing the shirt today. Somebody asked where.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
I honestly don't remember where I got it, but my
USFL Memphis Showboats shirt. I didn't even wear it intentionally.
But the Colts got beat for showboating yesterday. But and
I'm going to look right here in this camera where
chiefs fan Steve said, I've been squinting too much and
I need to wear my glasses. Maybe I could even
put my glasses.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
On for it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:06):
Why don't you smile for the camera so you're not squinting.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
You can hear those numbers spiking right now. By the way,
I was in an event on Friday night and female
listeners thirty one and thirty two made their acquaintce.

Speaker 7 (01:42:22):
Okay, hold on, hold on, how'd we go from potentially
twenty six to flubbing in? And I was like, no,
I'm Adam, and we've got twenty eight to thirty one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
I think it's actually probably thirty. We're probably capping it
at thirty. So I have my glasses on now to
say this to Ady Mitchell as I look at the camera,
Adie mitchell Son, it's not your fault. It's not your fault.
It was not your fault that you dropped that football
prematurely and cost yourself your first career touchdown. It's not

(01:42:52):
your fault that you dropped that football and cost the
Colts seven points and on a critical play where Jonathan
Taylor broke free and look like perhaps the Colts put
it in the bag or at least put themselves in
the driver's seat, and it was negated because of your
holding penalty. It's not your fault. When we look back

(01:43:13):
at the fact the Colts are three and one, and
who would not take that They're three and one, They
the football gods maybe balanced things out a little bit.
In the words of mister Hand, they had the unique
occasion to square the account because what are you people
on dope? Because the Denver Broncos, we forget, had their

(01:43:35):
moment where they were on dope and they had a
dopey leverage penalty that gave the Colts another chance for
Spencer Schrader to win that game. And they should have been.
They should have been. In fact, Al Michael's still incredulous
over what that is. What if they they should have
been coming into yesterday two and one we get it,

(01:43:59):
but they went in against a really good Rams team
and you have to be encouraged by the fact that
they should have won that game, But would it could have?
Should I get it right? If Ibsen butts were candy
and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas, Ady Mitchell.
It's not your fault that yesterday lapse was the fault

(01:44:24):
of around you, some sort of a weird vibe. I'm
not saying locker room wide, but in a culture that
has enabled you to that point because your star running
back teammate, an all Pro level player, one of the
best at his position in the National Football League, did
the exact same thing a year ago that cost your

(01:44:47):
team possibly a postseason birth. And yet one would think
that that would mean that the management level and the
coaching level would have absolutely had every one of you
guys every single day going over on on the repeated
regular basis where any franchise in the NFL was capable
of that kind of a mistake. Again, but there's no
way in God's green earth that's gonna happen for the

(01:45:09):
Indianapolis Colts. And yet it appears as though that was
not the case. That was not and yes I know
you said that, Shane Steiken's mentioned it, but that apparently
was not preached enough. And it's not your fault, Adi Mitchell,
because when the Colts drafted you and other teams and
other people were saying, there's question marks here, there's red flags.

(01:45:32):
We were told no red flags, just a caution one,
just a yellow flag meaning proceed with caution. But it's
all gonna work out. It's gonna be fine. Just be patient.
It's gonna work out. And maybe it still does. He
did show flash yesterday. But what we saw yesterday, at
least in the case of this particular player, was zero

(01:45:54):
accountability to this point, none, and in a franchise that
to this point is having their season put back onto
the right side of things by a quarterback who is
replacing the one where there was really no accountability for
him because Anthony Richardson took himself out of the game,

(01:46:15):
and yes, he then got benched for it, and I
credit Shane Stikeen there, but ultimately they handed the keys
back to him and they basically have said all along, no, no, no,
we still believe we still are going to be patient.
Ady Mitchell knew going into that game yesterday, to this point,
there has not been accountability for him, and I don't

(01:46:35):
think they should release him. There are people that say
that they got to cut Adie Mitchell. I'm not saying that,
but I think the thing that was the most brilliant
is when I asked people to send me their four
words to describe what the cold season looks like so far,
the most common answer was better than I expected, get it.

(01:46:57):
But the one that I thought was the most brilliant
one ad got ap paid. And that's probably true because
Alec Pierce is in a contract year and now boom,
we see more than ever how important he's going to be,
because we how much longer can we wait? We show
we saw yesterday the physical gift is there. But now

(01:47:20):
you wonder how ad Mitchell responds from that, because not
once but twice, and he looked like a guy that
was a deer in the headlights. After that, he made
a big play for them on that final drive. But
you do wonder what that's going to do for him,
and what that's going to do and their belief and
I know they can say that they still believe in him,

(01:47:41):
but that was a pretty big, pretty big blunder. Two
of them, but you still have to be in the
big in the big picture. In the big picture, you
have to be encouraged because they're three and one. They
went into a game in Los Angeles against what I
think most of us believe is a really good team,

(01:48:03):
and if you had to break it down into qure tiles,
what core tile are the La.

Speaker 7 (01:48:09):
Rams, I would put them in the upper quartile.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
I mean, I think most people think they are one
of the better teams in the league.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:48:17):
Yeah, they were my NFC Super Bowl pick fair going
into the season.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
And for the Colts and the Colts, the Rams didn't
win that game. The Colts lost it, and so yeah,
you can look at that and go, man, what could have?
Should have? But then you look at the schedule and
it's pretty favorable. Where it's not. It doesn't feel like
now now that we are a quarter of the way
into the season, for I mean, I know it's seventeen,

(01:48:45):
not sixteen, but essentially a quarter of the way. There
were in turn one of the season, and it's a
long year and a lot could happen, but the schedule
looks far less arduous than it did at the beginning
of the year. Now it's not as now you look
at it and you're looking for places where you would
not expect them to win. I mean, going in and

(01:49:07):
playing the Chargers in LA is going to be tough,
going to Arrowhead is going to be tough, and maybe
Pittsburgh's gonna be tough. But outside of that, every other
game you kind of expect them to win. At this
point long year, I realize what team is it right now, Eddie?
That we are four games in, a couple of them
still to be played tonight, but we do this at

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the beginning of the year. Give me the team that
deep down you're like, are they good?

Speaker 7 (01:49:36):
Jacksonville?

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
Okay? Fair tied with the Colts right now? Right three
and one?

Speaker 7 (01:49:41):
They should they could should be four. And though their
only loss was that game where Joe Burrow gets hurting,
Jake Brannon comes in and wins. That's their only loss.
They won against the forty nine ers yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
I'll give you one, Seattle at three and one.

Speaker 7 (01:49:58):
Yeah, that's another one.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
Are they good?

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Are they good? You know what I mean? Okay? Now
how about this Chicago?

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
They good?

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Chicago? Yesterday? Man, I mean they Chicago showed me a
little something yesterday because I don't think the Raiders are
very good, but the Bears were pretty that they showed
a lot of resolve in that game. Now we know
that New Orleans is terrible, We know that Carolina is dreadful,
we know that Tennessee is terrible. But give me the

(01:50:31):
two teams that you're like, are they not very good?
Are they in trouble? Well, there's a big one. Baltimore
for sure, for sure, and now Lamar Jackson's got a
hamstring injury, So you wonder what the future is there?
Not the future, but you know what I mean, what
the what the immediacy is going to be there? It
is Washington. Washington's hard to say because Daniels is hurt,

(01:50:53):
but they're two and two, right. I thought green Bay
looked really good last night despite losing that game, because
Jordan Love showed me a little something. Their clock management
late was terrible.

Speaker 7 (01:51:03):
Yeah, but you know, depending on how tonight goes Denver. Yeah,
I mean Denver, they play a Cincinnati team that could
be out for blood tonight with how poorly they played
against Minnesota. It's in Denver, right, I know, That's what
I'm saying. If you lose at home to Jake Browning

(01:51:24):
and the Bengals on Monday Night Football. You're now one
in three legs. By the way, what's the other game tonight?

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
Do you really want to know? Yes, this is the
game I'm telling you now Here's here's the unfortunate thing.
The unfortunate thing is that right now, somewhere in the
United States there's a maximum security penitentiary where all the
guys just found out that because nobody had any sort
of a disciplinary issue this week, they're getting to reward,
they're getting rewarded, and they're all allowed to watch Monday

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Night Football. And then they find out that it's this
Jets and the Dolphins. Good I mean, first off, just
the the the nature of the two ugly like the
green uniforms oh and six between the two of them.

Speaker 7 (01:52:05):
Right, It's very unfortunate this game is not in New
York because we could have an Antonio Brown repeat situation
with Tyreek Hill. That's always up for possibility, no question,
you know, taking your shirt off, taking the pads off,
just run across.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
The field deuces The game is in Miami though, right, Ah, yes,
it's it's in Miami.

Speaker 9 (01:52:25):
Yeap.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
Justin Field is back for the Jets. I did know
that coming off concussion protocol, right, yes, yes, yes, yes?
Where is Zach Wilson now, by the way, he is
the backup in Miami? Is he really? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
He is?

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
What a storyline there? Let's go, although it's at home,
so it's not like it's returning home, even though two
is obviously playing. But nonetheless, the point being, when you
look at the AFC, you've got to be happy about
the Colts because they're three and one.

Speaker 7 (01:52:50):
All three wins against AFC teams too.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
That's also big, the fact that their loss is to
an NFC team, right, that is it's it stings a
little less, and you know, it's weird. How weird is
it to think that they could be in a situation
in late November where they're going into Kansas City and
those two are deadlocked, like let's say in a wild

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card chase. Ye, don't I think in the Colt's case,
they're going to be leading the division? But because I
think they're going to beat Jacksonville. But to tell you
how much of a week to week leak it is?
So the Chargers through three weeks looked like the best
team in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (01:53:27):
They go on the road. They lose to Jackson Dart
and the Giants in their first loss. Kansas City bounces
back with a dominant win over you know, Baltimore at home,
and all of a sudden, it's all, oh, yep, it's
still the Chiefs Division. Like, come on, people, like, it's
just one bad game for the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
How about, by the way, how about the New York
Giants getting a win.

Speaker 7 (01:53:45):
They lost Joe Alton that game. That's a Unfortunately for them,
it was only a high ankle sprand there there was
not a broken bone or anything, so he could be
sidelined a couple of weeks. But at least it's not
another injured reserve situation because they're already missing their starting
left and Rashaun Slater he had that season ending injury
in camps and they moved Joelt from right tackle to
left tackle. He goes down yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
Jackson Dart look pretty good, right, It looked okay, got
a little he can run a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:54:12):
You know, hopefully we can get Ralph Refundcuse, I'm fascinated
by this, Jake. So Malice Nibbers shows down yesterday with
a torn ac out for the year, right, hang at
Odell Beckham Junior had some strong words about playing on
grass personally, no matter where you're at, instead of turf,
because I mean, it's been documented over time and time
again how bad the turf is they're at New York,

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and it should not Injuries like that shouldn't happen. When
you're just going up to jump up and go up
in the air and you're launching yourself off the ground
and that's how you tear your seal like that, that
should not happen.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
The It's amazing to think of the old Hoosier Doom
days when literally those guys were playing on concrete within
half an inch of foam and then astro turf on
top of it. I mean, the number of like just
rug burns alone you would get would be awful. Aaron
Ne Smith. By the way, did you say he's about

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to call in double A Yeah, aaron Nesmith. It is
Pacers Media Day aaron NEI Smith. Apparently Eddie just got
word is going to call us and he's going to
do so in just about five minutes, so we will
talk to the pacers swinging forward. He has the best shoes,
by the way, on the roster, I know that Halliburton
has those pumas, but I love the blue and yellow
new balance of aaron Ne Smith. But he joins us next,

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a lot to talk about over the course of today.
We'll get back into the Colts and Fever conversation in
a minute. But it is also and it is hard
to believe this. It is Pacers Media Day, meaning that
we are on the cusp of another Pacer season and
a guy that is entering his fourth year in Indiana
he just hit another three point shot against the New
York Knicks. Aaron NEI Smith joins us on the program, aeron,

(01:55:49):
how are you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
I'm doing good. How you guys joined?

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
We are well? Thank you listen. It is and this
is a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
It's a good thing to have the off season be
so short because it means that your regular season went
so long. But for you, I am curious from a
player's standpoint, with the way everything went last year, did
and as deep as you guys got, did it cause
for acceleration of let's get going? Or is the body
still needing more time?

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
Actually, I feel like I took the proper amount of
time off like normally I take like the amount of
normal time I take off on the summer, I just
added a week to it, just since we played so
far into the season. And then when I started hooping
again and working out again, I just scramped it up
a little bit quicker than normal.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
So it all worked out, you know, it was it
was such a magical run and you know everything that
went with it, and then obviously the way it ended
with you know, just and that Game seven will replay
that in our heads for a long time and wondering
of the what ifs. But from a player's standpoint, I'm

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curious what is the mindset now of standing the excitement
that comes with that, but also the reality of what
the year is ahead, and then waiting of course to
have kind of everything back in the arsenal.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
Uh, you got to turn the page. You know, it's
a brand new season. You know there's going to be
a new champion crown at the end of this year,
and you know you gotta start working from that today.
It all starts tomorrow and training camp and you know
you can just all you could take is really the
lessons you learned from last season, you know, the trials
and tribulations, to ups and downs and try and have

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a better start this year and you know, get the
ground running.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
You know, with the you know, obviously with Tyree's out
for the year and Miles now in Milwaukee, does does
your role change in terms of obviously we know what
your position is and you know the starting situation, but
in terms of what you need to bring. Do you
have to diversify your game at all?

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
Yeah, everybody's got to take a little step up. Everyone's
gonna have to do a little bit more. But it's
going to be done by committee. You know, five people
on the court at one time, So everybody's gonna have
to take a little step up in their production and
what's asking them. But you know, we're all getting done.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
Who what teammate is the one that most intrigues you
in terms of what you might see from them this year?

Speaker 3 (01:58:16):
I believe. I think Jerris Jaris Walker has a real
chance to take a leap this year. And you know,
he has all the tools and I talked to him
about you know, what he did this summer and how
much he worked and how much he prepared for this season.
I think he's ready for the challenge. As ahead of him.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
Aaron Nesmith is our guest as the pacers resume and
we'll get underway, get everything going here before we know it.
And with that, Aaron, when you talk about Jaris Walker,
you know your situation being a guy that was in Boston,
got you know, buried a little bit there, and then
as soon as you got your chance here you really

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did flourish. What sort of things can you tell young
players about that and about seizing that opportunity? And are
you the type that would go to them and say, hey,
let me tell you what I went through and what
worked for me.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Yeah, I mean I told him, Man, when he first
got here, I told him he was in a similar situation.
I was in Boston, just guys in front of him,
not a big opportunity to play. But always stay ready,
be ready, because you never know when your name is
going to be called. And whenever you get your opportunity.
You know, people say, look is when preparation meets opportunity,

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And I believe he's prepared for it properly and he's
going to be ready.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
By the way, do you believe in the zone, like
when people say that athletes get in the zone and
all of a sudden, you remember Jordan said, like the
rim becomes like a big old bucket, right, do you believe.

Speaker 3 (01:59:37):
In the zone? Oh? Yeah, that's real called it? Yeah,
like the flow state.

Speaker 1 (01:59:42):
Okay, so the flow state is what it's known as. Now, okay, Now,
the reason I ask and I think that with everything
that took place in all of the excitement of the
miraculous finishes that you guys had and getting to the
finals and all of that, historically, I worry that perhaps
we're going to forget about being in the flow state
like you were against New York. Were you in that

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zone in that game?

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
Oh? Yeah, it's nothing like that. That's that's I always say.
You know, all the work you put in the early mornings,
every left, every extra shot you take after practice, before practice,
it's for those moments, like you do all of that
so that when you do enter that state, it's just
all rhythm. You lead on the work that you put in,
and it just literally feels like you're floating. You're just vibing.

Speaker 1 (02:00:31):
Well, you were, I know, question about it, right, and
you know do you You're an interesting one to me
erin because your three point shot it almost seems like
sometimes you're more in that flow state, if you will
when it's accelerated and that you know, wide receivers often
say in football that the hardest pass to catch is

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the one where they're wide open. Is the same thing
true as an outside shooter? Does it? Is it more
a rhythm saying if you're wide open and you've got
time to square up, does it almost then become more
of a challenge.

Speaker 3 (02:01:07):
A little bit because you have more time to think
you're not you know, you're not in the rhythm of
your jump shot. And I think, you know, all my life,
I've always been such a great shooter that.

Speaker 15 (02:01:16):
Nobody leaves me open and so more times and I'm
more used to having somebody sprint at meat full speed
trying to keep me from shooting the ball post just
letting me shoot it, so I see it more.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
By the way, were you surprised by the Miles Turner decision?

Speaker 6 (02:01:35):
I was.

Speaker 1 (02:01:37):
Did you guys speak to him? I mean, is he
you know, how does that work in professional sports? Your teammates?
But I assume you're also friends, So how does that
work once that all goes down?

Speaker 3 (02:01:49):
Yeah, he sent, you know, to mention to the group
chat about his decision and why he made it, and
you know, I'm I'm also I'm just the type of
guy that you know, I wish't nothing but the best
he did he thought was right for him and his family.
And we'll see him when he played Milwaukee. You know,
I'll give him a big hug at half court. But
you know, once the game starts, you know, I gotta

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win the game.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
Did he say what the reason was?

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
Ah, that's him, that's for him, that's for him to speak.

Speaker 1 (02:02:18):
All. See, I was in the flow state there. I
had to ask, right right, I gotta hey, what did
you do in the off season? Because for fans, you know,
I think we all basked in the glory of what
the run was, but then there was also the what
could have been right? But for you guys, as players,

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what did you do to kind of get away, clear
your head, reset the table in.

Speaker 3 (02:02:44):
The off season, you know, I think I spend proper
amount of time reflecting on, you know, what we just
did and what just happens. And I tried to turn
the page as quickly as possible. At the same time,
so I tried to have fun and you know, give
my mind off the loss, and but at the same
time appreciate it and understand what we did was special

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for our city, you know, for each of us as
an individual. We just accomplished so many different things this year.
And you know, I've had so many people come up
to me and just say, you've made me an NBA
fan again. And so it's a little things like that
that kind of, you know, make me feel really good
about how far we made it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:25):
You know, when they had your the image of you
on the Arts garden down here downtown with the huge
thing that said finals and like, you know, a four
story high photo of yourself, I would have like taken
two hundred and fifty pictures of that if it were me.

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
Did you do that? No, I'm sure my family did,
though I kept I tried to bookmark as many things
as I can, just because I know later in life
I'm obviously going to want to look back at them.
But I let my family do all the picture take it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:53):
Have you gotten a chance to enjoy or watch the
Fever run?

Speaker 5 (02:03:58):
I have.

Speaker 3 (02:03:59):
I have. I haven't been able to make it to
a game yet, but I have been keeping up.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
Do you guys feed off one another? You know, I
realize your seasons are different, obviously, but and your facilities
will soon be completely different. But do you get a
chance to kind of interact with one another or you know,
at different events things representing the franchise.

Speaker 3 (02:04:18):
Times sometimes not too much, just because we said our
teams are you know, at different times, and a lot
of times during our season they're playing overseas or they're
playing in the different leagues and such, so they're not
always around. But there's always, like usually this period right here,
there's always a gap and where we'll do events together,
we'll see each other and they always come to our games.

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You know, we go to their games, so we do.
We do mix it up a good bit.

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
And lastly, you're an interesting one because you grew up
in South Carolina. Aaron Ne Smith our guest. When you
were a kid growing up, did you have an NFL team?
Would it have been the Atlanta Falcons or.

Speaker 3 (02:04:53):
Carolina Unfortunately, as of right now it's the Carolina Fnthers.
I'll never pluted up. But yeah, it's real dark.

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
For us, right, I would say yes, in fact, that
would be the case.

Speaker 7 (02:05:05):
Statty and you guys obviously we've talked about have lost
Miles Turner. No, Tyre's Halliburton for you guys this year
who has to step up in the leadership role, because
those are those were two big voices for you guys
throughout the course the last season.

Speaker 3 (02:05:18):
Yeah, I mean, we're gonna have to do it by committee,
and I think everybody in here understands what's going to
be asked to them. Everybody in here understands that we're
everybody's got to do a little bit more. And I
think everybody as much as like we as far as
it made it and we came up short. I think
the culmination of Tyres being out and Miles leaving, everybody

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had proper motivation this summer, eat to work and to
get better. And I think we have a pretty special
group of guys to where we use different things. It's
fuel and motivation, and I think those those the combination
of both of those happening so close to each other,
like we're able to turn the page and the loss
really quickly and get to work.

Speaker 1 (02:05:57):
Will it be an adjustment in terms of stylist because
I think you know, it's been stated obviously that you
guys will not be playing as fast now at least
for this season, and maybe you do go a little
bit more half court set or ISO set. Will that
be an adjustment.

Speaker 3 (02:06:15):
I think. I mean, we're gonna play the same way
we've been playing. We're you're gonna have to continue to
do that as a team, and you know, one man
are our main guys out, but we've been doing it
for so long that we we can't. We don't know
any other way to play except for fast picking up
full court and you know, being a pest. So we're
gonna do it again.

Speaker 1 (02:06:33):
It is kind of weird though, Like for me, it
just aaron like I was. It was so much fun.
And I'm not saying it's not going to be this year,
and I think that the Pacers are going to be
probably better than people are giving credit, right But but
at the same time, I have to keep reminding myself
that the roster will look different for the interim than
it did a year ago. You are one of those

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players on that roster, do you have to also remind
yourself of that.

Speaker 3 (02:07:00):
I've kind of I mean, I've had to remind myself
it's going to look a little differently, you know, to
start the season. And I think we, like especially in
training camp, like we're gonna have to relearn a couple
of things and recommit to a couple of things. And
I think once we get past that hurdle, it'll be
easy flowing again. But there will be a learning curve obviously,

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and there's gonna be ups and downs because you know,
we're so used to playing a certain way and with
Tyry's being down, like, we're gonna have to learn different things.
So you know, all that will come with time and repetition.

Speaker 1 (02:07:34):
Okay, lastly, so i'd lied, but I said lastly last time.
But we talked to you. The last time I talked
to you, you had mentioned that the most recent book
you had finished was Unbroken, which is a fabulous, fabulous
book about Louise Emperini. I'm curious the last book now
that you read.

Speaker 3 (02:07:50):
I've actually read. I actually read a couple of books,
and I read Man, it's like a it's it took
an overthinking book. But it was called something like the
Keito over Thing. I can't remember it was called. I
read that last year. And then I read a fancy
book called Probably. I don't know why I'm blanking on it.

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It's like a three I read three books. I read
four books. I read this overthinking book. I read one
hundred Laws of power and then I read this series.

Speaker 1 (02:08:23):
For what it's worth. By the way, I'm guilty of
one hundred ways to overthink, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you
know what I mean. That's that sounds like that sounds
like my biography, you know that, right?

Speaker 2 (02:08:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:08:33):
Aaron Jake ridicules me from time to time on this show.
And one of the reasons why I'm not a big traveler.
I've never traveled outside of the United States. And I
know you like to go to Japan. Did you go
to Japan during the off season? And if you didn't,
did you go somewhere else?

Speaker 3 (02:08:46):
I went to Costa Rica. The book was called Fourth Wing, Fourth.

Speaker 1 (02:08:50):
Wing, Fourth Wing?

Speaker 3 (02:08:51):
Okay, hang on, yeah, but no, I went to Costa
Rica this summer by I went golfing out there.

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (02:08:59):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (02:09:00):
Yeah. I've asked you this, perhaps before you grew up
in South Carolina, Carolina or Clemson neither, Well, I guess Vanderbilt.
Vanderbilt having a good day actually, but listen, I'm a
Clemson football fan, so I can I can relate to
your Carolina panther misery.

Speaker 3 (02:09:17):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, I was watching uh. I was
watching the Syracuse game with my guy the other week
and he was he was down bed.

Speaker 8 (02:09:27):
Was not good.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
Trust they were guilty of overthinking is exactly what happened. Yeah,
right right, they were not in the flow state. I
can tell you right now, that's right. D're right, Aaron Listen.
I appreciate the time. As always, we look forward to
the season. I think it's going to be a lot
of fun and it's always fun to watch you man.
We would love to have you back on the program anytime,
but we certainly wish you the best in getting things underway.

Speaker 3 (02:09:51):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:52):
Are you talking aaron Ne Smith? Getting said for year
number four with the Pacers. We'll come back more on
what took place yesterday at so Far Stadium. It's querying
company here rolling along on a Monday on the fan.
You know what I spared you, Eddie over the course
of today, My sure, my sanctimonious old man rant about

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how I think the behavior at golf tournaments has jumped
the shark, and I think it's spilled over a little
bit with the Ryder Cup stuff, because I think even
the most you know, relaxed or laid back a fan
is like, yeah, okay, this probably was a little too raucous.
I mean I get it.

Speaker 7 (02:10:31):
It's I'm not aware where you're talking about, Jake, no fence.
I didn't watch a single second of the Ryder Cup.

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
The I'm not a golf guy, and I get it.
I think that fans because you know, golf has its
etiquette and its rules, and so therefore people can own
They only get so many opportunities to like kick back
and have fun at a tournament like the Waste Open
Manager or the Waste Management Open. But it was pretty
ugly over the course of the Ryder Cup. Not as

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ugly as the Adie Mitchell, but it was pretty ugly.
JMV is here those.

Speaker 5 (02:11:02):
Guys just I mean, seriously, there's just such horses asses.
They're just a bunch of horses asses out there. That's
how they act. That's how they act.

Speaker 3 (02:11:10):
You know what.

Speaker 5 (02:11:12):
For the Europeans, I love the way Europeans celebrate. It's
almost tough not to root for them.

Speaker 1 (02:11:17):
I would agree with that. I mean, like it just
after a while, it gets a little much, does it not.

Speaker 5 (02:11:23):
Yeah, it's pretty stupid, Hey it does. That's just kind
of where we are, I.

Speaker 1 (02:11:28):
Guess by the way it is, is it the crossovers
that we call this to hand off the cross Cross
talk what do we the cross.

Speaker 5 (02:11:35):
E PMD that had the song the Crossover back and right, Yes,
brought you by Love Hitting in the.

Speaker 1 (02:11:43):
Air Love Dash HVAC dot com is the website three
one seven three five three twenty one forty one the
telephone number. John, You obviously got a lot to talk
about today, right, You spend three hours ripping on ad
Mitchell pretty much, although you know the like Daniel Jones said,
I thought it was interesting. Daniel Jones said, you know,

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a game isn't made by one play, and I'm like, right,
which is why he needed a second one.

Speaker 5 (02:12:08):
Yeah, well, yeah exactly. I mean he put it to rest.
It was minus fourteen for Eddie Mitchell, and that's that's
gonna get you sunk.

Speaker 1 (02:12:15):
I think is lou An Arumo.

Speaker 5 (02:12:17):
Is they allowed to bring in anybody that doesn't like
have connections with him?

Speaker 1 (02:12:22):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (02:12:23):
I mean, anybody off the couch can just go play
as long as they somebody said that, Yes, Stefan Gilmore,
he's he's out there.

Speaker 7 (02:12:33):
I mean, that's part of the reason why you got
fired in Cincinnati was the fact that you didn't play
any young guys. So is none of their young draft
picks developed kind of doing the same thing here, Like
I just I will say this, I think that we
have been there.

Speaker 5 (02:12:45):
And done that with Howard. So I don't know what
more you have to know or understand here. What are
we trying to do?

Speaker 1 (02:12:51):
I mean, Howard, you know obviously that's who you line up,
and the entire Jar just clinging to life until Jalen
Jones and then Kenny Moore and the rest of them were.

Speaker 3 (02:13:00):
Back, right.

Speaker 1 (02:13:00):
I mean, that's kind of where they are.

Speaker 5 (02:13:02):
I will say this, Is there any party that wants
to say, hey, they're three and one? Can everybody shut up?

Speaker 2 (02:13:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:13:07):
Oh that's I mean that was because they really should
be two and two. And John, here's the other thing.
They the football gods kind of balanced it out right,
because they probably should have lost a different and they
should have won yesterday. But I think in the grand
scheme of things, you have to be fairly optimistic. I mean,
they're three and one. They played a pretty good team.

Speaker 5 (02:13:25):
They have a CRAF schedule for the most part, correct.

Speaker 1 (02:13:28):
I mean that's the thing. You look at their schedule.
We were talking about that earlier. They still got to
go to LA and play the Chargers and then you've
got the You know, obviously the Chiefs are going to
be a tough game, right and then do they have
the race? They don't play the rate.

Speaker 5 (02:13:42):
Well, Houston's got a first play schedule and they suck.
If you watched that game yesterday, it was an absolute
brutality against Tennessee. The only team you need to watch
out for is Jacksonville. If you can't beat Jacksonville, what
do you deserve?

Speaker 1 (02:13:54):
So that, to me is is it? But I'm listening.

Speaker 5 (02:13:58):
Yeah, that was called and in the whole a d
Mitchell thing after Jonathan Taylor a year ago. See, there's
no way. People say I want to cut him, he
needs to be cut, send him packing.

Speaker 3 (02:14:09):
They're not going to do that.

Speaker 5 (02:14:10):
Well, he's a second rounder. Jonathan Taylor did it a
year ago, and I know he's drastically different. But Jonathan
Taylor did it in a situation in which cost them
the postseason with Denver. So yeah, it stinks, but I
will say this, they win that game also if Alec
Pierce is healthy. Because Alex Pierce goes up and gets

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a couple of those passes from Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 (02:14:34):
Right, he holds onto it.

Speaker 5 (02:14:37):
He holds onto it. Until they right exactly, Buddy.

Speaker 1 (02:14:41):
All right, John's up next. He will be with you
until six o'clock tonight, I think again. Mike Chappell and
Aaron NEI Smith for joining us. We will be back
with you at noon tomorrow. Thanks for listening to Quarry Company.
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