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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So there's actually a decent amount to talk about here
to get things underway in relation to the Colts, because
it's a Thursday that feels like a Wednesday because they
play on a Monday as opposed to Sunday. And then
next week just forget about it, Katie bar the door
in trying to figure out your schedule because you get
into the holiday period and as we all know, by

(00:23):
the time like January third rolls around, it literally is
like I have no idea what day's what, other than
it now feels like I've got sixty eight straight days
of work. But we're getting ready to enter into that
murky category of you never know who's in the office,
who's out of the office, what the schedule is, et cetera.
And that's true to an extent for the Colts. Now

(00:44):
we do know this before we get to Colts News
in terms of who is in and who is out
right now on West fifty six, we do begin with
the news that Eddie Garrison is back. He is back
for the rest of the week. And then, like I mentioned,
now I think it's Jalen, isn't it think it's mad
at us for over using the breaking new sounder.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I think so you missed out yesterday, Eddie a chance
to use the breaking new sounder because I got an
ex post, tweet, Facebook post, some sort of social media
post from I believe it's Nancy that said she was
listening when I was talking about the forecast upcoming weatherwise
meaning female listener. Thirty four. Really, yep, thirty four is confirmed.

(01:28):
So we're now in search of Curt case to number
thirty five. But Eddie Garrison his back. Let's begin with
that you had a couple of days off. The weather
wasn't actually yesterday, I guess wasn't terrible, but you were
working in the outdoors, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, I was in the outdoors, Jake, I was over
at the State fairgrounds. How was that all?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
It was?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
It was an experience.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
So now my understanding, because it's vague at best, because
you were all I could hear when I was talking
to you was the sound of like bit drills and
guys yelling and foreman and stuff like that. I could
read music and Christmas music a lot of that. So
you were you joined when you went for your hat
deal the BHF.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Right, Yes, the BHF indeed, yes, the.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Big Head Federation.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
That is right.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
What are the dews? What are the annual dues for that?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't want to review that over the radio because
it would it would shock you, would it.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Blow my mind?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Okay, then i'd be in the LAHF right at that point, right, yeah,
or the FAHF, the Fragmented Head Federation. Okay. So while
you were there, you were telling me this, and it
was it was loud, and there was stuff going on.
You were working, and somebody noticed that you had a
keen eye for the lighting of the large cranium baseball
hat photoshoot you were a part of.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, not only that, they some of them didn't know
I did this program. Okay, they knew I did this
dog and Pony show, right, and they noticed how aware
I am of all times of like you on the camera,
making sure, you know, you look good with the lighting
on the camera. So that was their first tell gotcha, okay.
And when I went to the photoshoot that I missed
the cut for, I was still helping out on the

(02:59):
side with the lighting and everything else, and they were
thoroughly impressed. They're like, hey, why don't you come back
and we'll pay you to do this so that's exactly
what I say.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
So you took a few days off and you were
out helping put together and oversee the lighting for the
winter lights at the fairgrounds.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Right exactly. So whenever you go and witness those, you're like, oh,
look at.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
That, whether a particular lighting fixture that you were in charge.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Of, all of them. Incredible. They gave me a lot
of responsibility that I didn't know I could handle.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, this is what we do, Eddie. We look to
grow on this program, right we do indeed. Okay, So
with the culturetain and educate, educating and entertain actually okay,
So with the Colts for today, Nathaniel, don't call me
Atticus finches out our boots on the ground along with
Kevin Bowen there at West fifty six. He sends the following,
I'm just going to read it because this is coming
in literally as I'm talking to you. Okay, this from today.

(03:51):
Anthony Richardson is back at practice. He does have a
vision issue. I mean that is to be understood understood.
Like I mentioned, and as I mentioned yesterday, the Colts,
the messaging, I think it would do them well to

(04:13):
get kind of on same page with messaging, not that
it really matters, but out of fairness to everyone. But
the reason I say that is because when you come
out and say that it's a conditioning issue, that's going
to make people question the circumstance or even the player,

(04:35):
because of the fact that Philip Rivers, you know, to say, Hey,
we're going to go ahead and go with Philip Rivers,
who has only played in one game in five years
and was making mac and cheese a week ago. We're
going to go with him over Anthony Richardson. Because Richardson
over the last five weeks fell out of physical condition.
There are a lot of people that would wonder the

(04:57):
inconsistency of that if they I came right out and said,
Anthony Richardson has been medically cleared to get back on
the practice field, but we have to make certain that
after the eye surgery that his vision is where it
needs to be. No one would have question that. And
for example, yesterday there was someone that had posted a

(05:19):
comment on social media questioning along those likes of wait
a minute, how can you say that Anthony Richardson is
a physical condition issue if Philip Rivers is not. And
Reggie Wayne, of course, Colt's legend coach good Dude, co

(05:40):
host along with myself and Derek Schultz of The Reggie
Wayne Show for three years on the radio. Love Reggie Wayne.
But Reggie Wayne replied and said, are you at home
or in the complex? And the only problem with that,
which and I totally get what Reggie Wayne's saying there.
Of look, the people that are around it are going
to be the ones that are making educated decisions about that.

(06:01):
Except for the only issue with that is it would
imply that Reggie Wayne is saying, no, it is the
guy's out of shape. I mean, it almost looks like
he was making the point of the poster for him
and I get it. Okay, I get it. I think

(06:21):
you know, we will stick with it. Is the eye issue.
Stiken went on to say that the bone has healed
that had the fracture, but he cannot see straight. That's
an issue. And again I would assume that that eventually,
that takes time and it works itself out, But as

(06:42):
of right now, that's an issue. DeForest Buckner is ready
to go. Bernard Ryman and Sauce Gardner are not practicing,
but are quote progressing well. This all from Shane Steiken.
Anthony Richardson obviously will not be active for their game
in San Francisco Monday night. Kevin bow and Our Kevin
Bowen asked if Anthony Richardson was healthy, would he start

(07:06):
to which Shane Steiken said, and I quote right now,
Philip is our starter end quote. Riley Leonard has been cleared,
and said Shane Stikeen, it is good for him to
be able to learn under Philip Rivers. So that's where
things stand right now. And I totally understand, I totally respect,

(07:26):
I totally appreciate. Yesterday, for example, people pointing out to me,
look enough of the Anthony Richardson story you spend two
hours on. Yes, I get it. But when you have
a player that is selected in the top five of
a draft in any sport, in any sport, it is

(07:48):
more magnified in terms of their journey. When you have
more notably a quarterback that is selected within the top five,
it is the most magnified position in sports, and it
will be for as long as that player is on
the roster. As long as a player is on a
roster that was a top five pick, that is a quarterback,
they without question are going to be more scrutinized and

(08:10):
more analyzed than any other player on in that city's market.
I mean literally in Los Angeles. Well, maybe that's a
bad example, because the Lakers are pretty darn big. But
if the Los Angeles Dodgers sign a marquee free agent

(08:30):
a Japanese pitcher, or if they signed a drafted a
point guard number one overall, a Cooper Flag, there would
be a lot of attention on those players, Okay, but
not like if they the Rams drafted a quarterback number
four overall. Maybe within Los Angeles, but nationally speaking, there's
going to be more discussion and spotlight because it is

(08:51):
the National Football League and that is king, which takes
us to the other subject matter for today, Pacers and
Nickson action. Tonight, Gambridge Fieldhouse will get into that Tony
Eastkin and join us. Just a couple of minutes from now,
I will be at night Owl's in Beach Grove tonight
seven thirty until nine thirty. I look forward to seeing
everybody there thirty five thirty five South Emerson for part

(09:12):
of our Mick Ultra Shooting challenge. I basically want to
see whether or not you can get yourself in position
for a trip on February sixth to Milwaukee to see
Miles Turner have to take on his old team and
the Blue and Gold and you being there cheering on
Indiana in Milwaukee. That's part of what's at stake if

(09:34):
you want to come out and enter into that and
enjoy a micultra as well tonight from seven thirty until
nine thirty. But the NFL is king. And when the
NFL makes mention of a storyline or even just throws
one out there as a lifeline storyline, it grows legs
in markets in which are affected. And it sounds crazy

(09:56):
to say that in December, a week before Christmas, that
in a market that has an NFL team with one
quarterback that was drafted in the top five coming off
an orbital fracture injury, another quarterback that's forty four years old,
a team that is getting set to play two of
its last three games against divisional foes while still having
the division within hand, a team that is playing on

(10:17):
Monday Night Football against the San Francisco forty nine ers.
It is crazy to think with all of those things
in one market, you could be talking about another franchise
that's not even in the state. But not even in
your conference. But I'm going to take that bait. I'm
going to take that bait, and I'm going to tell
you why. As of right now, this story is simply

(10:41):
a seed in the soil, and we'll see whether or
not there is potting soil that is added to it
and water that is added to it and the right
UV rays. But I'm talking about the story that came
out last night, and it's not a new storyline. This
is not something that just popped up out of nowhere.

(11:01):
It's been discussed on a number of occasions, and it
is disingenuous to say that I know the intricacies and
the history in terms of stadium lease and civic partnerships
and et cetera with a team in the National Football
League outside of Indianapolis. Okay, but the Chicago Bears, who

(11:28):
have been for a long time now trying to get
a better stadium or a downtown stadium and get out
of Soldier Field. Soldier Field, which is iconic, historic Soldier Field,
which when you drive along Lakeshore Drive and it used

(11:49):
to be in the old days and you saw the
famous columns of Soldier Field, I mean, you knew it
was something special. Soldier Field where Walter Payton surpassed Jim
Brown against the New Orleans Saints, Field where the eighty
five Bears shut out the Rams in the NFC title game,
in the cold Soldier Field, where great moments have happened

(12:09):
beyond just the Chicago Bears, concerts and events and all
kinds of history at Soldier Field. And then they decided
that they needed to update Soldier Field, and they dropped
a spaceship on top of it, and it looks very strange,
but nonetheless, the Bears won a new stadium. So yesterday

(12:29):
the news comes out that the Chicago Bears are interested
in northwest Indiana, suburban Chicago. Now, why are we talking
about that in Indianapolis? Why are we talking about the
Chicago Bears. Why do we care a hill of beans

(12:50):
about this? The Chicago Bulls played last night, I think
they played the Cavs, one of the few games in
the NBA. Why are we talking Why are we not
talking about that? Because we're in Indianapolis, not Chicago. But
this is a story that could impact Indianapolis. And it
is my opinion that the culture of the reason this
will never happen. And let me explain. First off, I
don't know how serious the Bears really are about this

(13:13):
as opposed to trying to get Illinois lawmakers and Chicago
City lawmakers to pony up and give them what it
is that they want. They've talked about wanting a stadium
in suburban Chicago, in the northwestern burbs. You know, Schomberg
was one where the Cubs were a long time ago
going to move, and then that never happened and they

(13:35):
stayed in Wrigley. I mean, that would be a disaster
to leave Wrigley, but nonetheless not an area of my
expertise in terms of the finite information as to why
the Bears need or want a new stadium. I've not
kept up with the day to day of that. I
do know this the culture getting ready to play in

(13:57):
primetime and they're wearing their black what do they call them,
the Indiana Knights uniform.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Finally using them on a night game jake, first time
in franchise history.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Of course, they haven't had a lot of night game opportunities, right, Yeah,
but Indiana Knights, they have a logo that has the
Sea for Colts with the subtlety of the outline of
Indiana within it Indiana Knights, not Indianapolis Knights, Indiana Knights,

(14:30):
the Colts. It is very important, I believe from a
marketing standpoint and certainly a financial standpoint, it is very
important for the Colts to be Indiana's team. This is
a franchise that is still owned by the family that
has a huge property up at Lake Wawasee in northern Indiana,
and there obviously is financial gain by being the States

(14:53):
team as opposed to the city's team. Now we all know.
All you got to do is go to IU once
you all know this, All of you that went to
Indiana University and are celebrating right now and lining up
your Rose bull tickets and everything else. Every one of
you knows that person, and I you that your first semester.
Everybody's got to stand up and say their name and

(15:14):
where they're from. And some guy stands up and he's like, yeah, Bill,
I'm a Polysai major and I'm from Chicago. Oh, Chicago
Bears fan, Bulls fan. What part of Chicago? Did you
grow up in Wrigleyville or you know, Park Forest? What part?

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (15:31):
No?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Uh, Hobart. Okay, so you're from the region. So you're
from a part of Indiana that Indiana claims to be Chicago.
But Chicago has nothing to do with Okay, fine, there
is that that element of the relationship of the city
whatever else. So so the thought that Chicago and a
pro sports franchise will be going to northwest Indiana right
there makes you raise an eyebrow. But the Colts themselves

(15:56):
would not want a team in Northwest Indiana for the
obvious reason in the fact that Indianapolis and the Indianapolis
Colts want a monopoly within the state and they have
earned that. That is understandable from a marketing standpoint. Why
did Indianapolis not get a Major League Baseball team in
the mid eighties when the Arrows had already sold ten
thousand season tickets because the Cubs, the Cardinals, the White Sox,

(16:21):
the Reds came forth to Major League Baseball and said,
we do not want a team in Indianapolis because we
have too much fan equity within that city in the NFL.
I go back to I've made this point a thousand times.
I'll make it one thousand and one when the Baltimore
Colts moved to Indianapolis. Great day in the history of

(16:42):
this city. Great day in the history of the city.
When the Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis in nineteen eighty four,
immediately the rest of the league and the owners, and
part of it was because Bob ur Say was a
very polarizing own owner that a lot of other owners
didn't care for. But the other owners of the National

(17:06):
Football League got together and said, we can't have franchises
just up and moving all over the place. Baltimore deserves
to have the Colts. The city of Baltimore and the
Colts organization got into a staring contest over whether or
not they should get renovations and or a new stadium
to the Colts Stadium, and so therefore they just up

(17:28):
in the middle of the night and moved to Indianapolis.
They'd flirted with Memphis, they'd flirted with Phoenix, they ended
up in Indianapolis. So the other owners got together and said,
here forward, you need to if you're moving a franchise,
you need to get eighty percent approval from the rest
of the league. Now, the Bears wouldn't be moving per se,

(17:50):
they still would be within the Chicago DMA, but it
would be my assumption that if you are moving it
from a state to a state like the Giants when
they or the Jets when they moved from New York
City into New Jersey. I would assume that had to
get some sort of an approval. Even though that's the
same DMA, it is still too the same demographic in

(18:13):
terms of the television market. But I would assume that
because they are going over into a different state, different taxes,
all of those things, that the League would have to
approve it. And if the League has to approve it,
then you have and maybe not a lot, but it

(18:33):
is my opinion, and I'd have to look down over
all of them to see for which it would be applicable.
But you would think that there would be at least
twenty percent of the owners that would say I don't
necessarily want the caveat there of teams moving into a
new state and potentially using a city in my state

(18:55):
that I have a pretty good firm hold on to
come over and move into, it opens a dangerous precedent.
But even if that's far nuanced of it. The other
thing is this, the Bears, in typical Bears fashion, have
messed up their timing here. They've messed up their timing

(19:16):
because if they had just done this ten years ago
before or fifteen years ago. And you've heard me mention this,
look at the teams eddie off the top of your head,
and by the way, the newly cemented within the big
head federation head on the top of your head. Name

(19:39):
for me five NFL franchises that have gotten either a
new stadium or a beautifully newly renovated stadium in the
last fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Okay, I'll start with both of the teams now in La. Okay,
you're looking at let's see who else. San Francisco. I
don't know if that's within the last five years or not.
With Levi State, well fifteen, we'll say, Okay, San Francisco
with the forty nine ers still to come, the Titans
the new stadium as well. Minnesota, Minnesota got a new stadium. Atlanta.

(20:12):
Did the Falcons get a new stadium?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Atlanta gets new stadium every three years, So yes, that counts.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I'm trying to think of who else would fall into
that category. The Giants, right, Giants and Jets right with
MetLife Okay, Dallas, although Dallas paid for their own for
the most part, a little bit kind of a curb ball.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
There I tend soon to have a new stadium in Washington.
Now here's my point. All those owners have been taken
care of. They got what they needed. If the Bears
would have tried to pull this off fifteen years ago,
the Vikings, the Niners, the Titans, the Commanders, the Falcons,

(20:58):
all of those franchise would have said, hallelujah, please get
the Bears out of Chicago, because then that puts television
market top three in the city of Chicago. That puts
one of the biggest cities in North America, a historic
monsters of the Midway Gridiron died to the wall, sitting

(21:19):
in the cold football fan base. That puts them without
a team. And if Chicago doesn't have a team, that
absolutely gives us the leverage to then threaten the voters
of Atlanta, threatened the voters in Minneapolis, threatened the voters
in Washington, d C. Threaten the voters in Nashville, and
say to all of them, you better buy our new

(21:40):
stadium and our new renovation, or else we're gone to Chicago,
which is now open. If they ten to fifteen years ago,
they would have loved for the Bears to leave Chicago
vacant because every owner would have loved to have had
that wild card, that power play against their market. But
as it stands right now, really the only team that

(22:00):
is in that sort of a struggle is the Bears.
Everybody else is taken care of. They got their food
at the table. Well, you guys, do whatever you want, fine, whatever,
But and then they look at it, though, and they say,
but if I'm the Titans, I don't necessarily want the
precedent that somebody could come back and play a couple
seasons in Memphis if I'm if I'm Atlanta, do I

(22:21):
necessarily want the if I'm the Titans, I'm like, you know,
I don't want the Falcons to like have to threaten
to possibly build some new state of the art stadium
in Chattanooga and take some of the Tennessee tax payer money.
So I'd rather not open that Pandora's box. If the
Bears would have tried to pull this fifteen years ago,
they might have been able to pull it off. As
it stands right now, there is no question in my

(22:44):
mind that this is nothing more than a power play,
And even the Chicago Bears know there's no certainty or
excuse me, there's no solidarity to it. I cannot see
it happening. And I also can't see it happening because
I think the Colts, if it really came down to
the eleventh hour or would go to the state government
of Indiana and say no way. And then you get

(23:07):
into the cross breed of the politics of Chicago politicians
Indiana state politicians, and that becomes a murky area that's
well beyond my capability and better into the understanding of
people across the hall at our sister station WIBC. But nonetheless,
it's a fun thing right now. And I do think this.

(23:30):
There is no doubt about the fact that if they
move to if they were in fact to do it,
they've got to surround the stadium by nothing but hair
replacement ads for Brian Erlocker. And I mean, and that's
the other thing we got. We grow hair Indy here.
We don't need the Brian her Locker outfit that has
a billboard every one hundred and twenty five yards on
two ninety four. We just don't need it. PACER's in

(23:52):
action tonight, New York Knicks Gambridge Fieldhouse. I'll be from
seven thirty to nine thirty down in Beech Grove will
be watching this game and watching it close because it
is still and now it's the end season tournament champion
Knicks Pacers continue to kind of flux through their roster
Tony East to talk about that and who might be
now moving their way up in terms of minutes logged.

(24:12):
We'll get to that next Yes, Tony's going to join
us here. Just a second couple of house cleaning items.
First number one. Several people have pointed this out. I
appreciate it, and I know John mentioned this yesterday, and
I don't want to belabor the point because it's kind
of an inside baseball thing. And certainly when somebody says

(24:33):
to me, when I say, so, what do you do
for a living, I work at an architecture firm. Oh,
that's cool. I'm sure there are things in terms of
the interior workings of set architecture firm that get lost
upon it. But the reality is you hire them to
design a building for you, and that's the extent of me.
You don't really, it's not the ingredients of it that
is of your concern. And I certainly am aware and

(24:56):
respectful of the fact that people when it comes to
listening to a radio show. They don't necessarily involve themselves
or get too caught up in the nuances of what
allows that radio show to be heard. They just want
to hear it. And I understand that we right now
are going through, as we talked about, a building move,

(25:16):
which has been fabulous. The engineers have worked round the clock.
This studio that I'm working in is beautiful, and we
are moving. Literally, it is a massive operation, and unfortunately
one of the things that kind of has gotten caught
up in that is they are changing over the software
that allows for the streaming service. So if you are

(25:39):
listening to this radio show or other radio shows within
our cluster as we call it on the app services
on a streaming standpoint, the engineers here are aware and
everyone is aware of some of the complications and hiccups
that have been coming throughout this process, and those are

(26:00):
not going to be permanent, but they are for the
moment going to be hiccups for certain that are there.
So we are aware of it, We're working on it.
I apologize for it, but I appreciate everyone's understanding and
hopefully their patients in finding us in different avenues, whether
it be on the YouTube stream or whether it be
the old fashioned way, is the kids say at ninety

(26:22):
three five and one oh seven five dot com on
the FM do or one oh seven five on FM
or one oh seven five thefan dot com. But again
those streaming issues do have a hiccup sometimes the old
radio itself probably still is the best way. Now. Secondly,

(26:42):
we are hoping to have this for you to hear
in their words soon, but it does appear I'm not
trying to stoke a fire. I'm not trying to make
a mountain out of a molehill. But Shane Steiken began
today's comments by saying that Anthony Richardson, while the bone
is healed, is having a vision issue. Anthony Richardson is

(27:05):
saying that he does not have any issue with his vision.
So is there a mixed signal? What did I say yesterday?
I'm telling you I said yesterday and then I let
off today before we even knew this that it seems
as though sometimes the messaging is inconsistent. And we will
hopefully play for you both of those comments coming up

(27:29):
here shortly as soon as we processed through all of that.
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(27:49):
off for Java House. Tony East joining us now from
Forbes locked on Pacers amongst others, talking about the Pacers
who have New York Tonight, Tony. It's been kind of
this layoff period here for the Pacers and now back
in the mix. One of the things I find interesting
that we have talked about and yes, people look at
it and say, why are they talking about ten day
contracts or one year G League contracts, et cetera. But

(28:13):
it seems as though Rick Carlisle has been able to
kind of masterfully audition players for depth pieces while still
working it into a system that is allowing them to
be somewhat competitive with in games. Who is the latest
now that we're looking at as hmmm, are they giving
this an audition?

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Yes, I would love to answer that, But I would
actually like to ask a favor of you, Jake, Can
you make the noise again that the coffee water interaction makes.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, thank you for asking that. That's Java house and
when you put it in it's that instantly. And that's
the thing. It doesn't do this. It doesn't do this, tony. Okay,
a lot of times you get one that does this.
That's true, and then you think your cat's hYP perventially
and it takes forever. You don't need you just literally

(29:02):
could put it in there. It is.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
I really enjoyed that on my lead in hearing you
make the exact interaction.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
Joba houses lovely.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
By the way, Yes, they signed. The Pacers signed Game
mcglothin this week to a ten day deal. Another hardship there,
sixth to one. I don't think i'd covered a single
hardship signing ever for the Pacers before the season, and
now they've done six in less than two months, which
you know, we can talk and we will talk about
how good the team is doing and what they are,
what they're not doing well, and why they're six and

(29:30):
twenty and things of that nature, and like there are
real answers to that, but then you're like, oh, yeah,
they've been that level of injured all season right now
with Ben Shepherd aeron need Smith and Obi topping out.
Their biggest need is a forward and mcglofflin's been playing
pretty well for the Noblesville Boom. He many will remember
he played in the preseason for the Pacers, right so
he knows the system well. The Boom are pretty similar
in how they play. I'll be it with different players

(29:52):
than the Pacers, and this one's a little different to
me than there are other hardship signings they've done before.
When they signed like Garrison Man Matthews and Cody Martin
and Jeremi Robinson Merrell, those guys all played like immediately
they were in the rotation their very first games. I
don't think they need Gabe to be playing right away,
but if you have the resource, it does make sense

(30:12):
to add some depth like their foul trouble or an
injury away. If from meeting them forward now they get
to do their Boom call up and keep evaluating what
they need, because I think between Furfy and Walker, you know,
not showing a ton recently, and you know some of
these wings we're talking about what Ethon Thompson's been on
this two way like they're really looking at who's helping
them win now and who can help them win next

(30:32):
year on certain deals because they as much as this
season is about what it's about, it's us about figuring
out what's gonna make the next year Pacers with tyres
Helburn back as good as possible. So I think that's
part of the you know, in and outness of a
lot of these contracts is trying to figure out which
of these guys could be the best answer to that question, Tony.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
When you look at the last two games, Okay, Tony East,
my guest, Joba House Peel and poor guest line Philly
and Washington. Now Philly's a little bit different because Joel
and beat somehow found this like fountain of youth and
he was the Joel and Beade of old. But in
terms of Washington, the lackluster, just effort of that. Every
team has games like that. But are we starting to

(31:12):
see finally the mental fatigue that can set in when
a team has everything they're going up against it.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
This one has had.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
But perhaps that's that's what happened. I mean that was
did you go to that game, Jake?

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Were you there?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I mean, that was hideous.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I was not there, actually, one of I think that's
the only game I've not been to this ship. Maybe
that's the problem because I don't know if you know this,
not Tony, but typically when I walk into the arena,
you hear it instant energy.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Right, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
It was bizarre, and you're right that it happens every year,
Like I think you were at this game. Last year,
they had that Cup game against the Miami Heat where
Rick just benched the entire starting five in the third
quarter like that. Every year, every team has one or
two games where there's just no energy. That's not to
say it's like acceptable. It's never good every every single
time it happens, but it does happen, but it is,
you know, super concerning. When it happens against the Wizards

(32:02):
on your home floor.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Do you just get.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Completely embarrassed by the worst team in the NBA And
they all acknowledged post game like yeah, that we can't
have that, it can happen. Part of me wonders if
you know, they played bad in the first quarter, and
Carlisle noted that post game, even though they were winning
at that time, if they thought they didn't need you know,
like that's fine, you know we're playing a bad team.
We'll figure it out. And win and they I think
they got it's like seven in the third quarter or something,

(32:24):
but you know, with that level of effort, they had
no chance. They had no chance to win that game.
They never got good shot. They shot under forty percent
against the wars defense in the league and they lost.
And you do under and you know, there's that shot
of Siakam on the bench like, you know, looking like
what's happening, like shocked almost, like what kind of toll
losses can play? You know, no, no pro athlete likes losing,

(32:44):
especially when you've now lost at home to the Brooklyn
Nets and the Washington Wizards in the same season. They
have not beaten over five hundred team as of right now.
Maybe the Warriors get there eventually, but they haven't played
well this season at all, and eventually it does, you know,
wear on you, and it's it's gonna hit different. I
think for these players too, because it sucks, but they
know it's gonna end, right because they should. Even if

(33:05):
Aliburn's not as good, post Achilles be good next year, right,
So they know they have to take their lungs. But
that doesn't make it easier in the moment when you're
getting smoked at home by the worst team, and I
think they had a strong week of responsive practices to it.
But I mean, games like that just can't happen, right,
it was even in a season like this where losses
aren't as painful as there are in other seasons, Like

(33:27):
you get nothing from that when you lose to Philly
and you're winning in the fourth quarter and you show
some good defensive things against non NB players and your
role players are out having really great games, like that's good.
You learn something from that. Those guys get extra valuable
experience from playing well against a good team. When you
get completely punked against the Wizards in a nofor game,
sure the result might be fine to some fans, like

(33:48):
you get nothing from that as the Pacers like nothing,
so they just can't have games like that.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
How would you assess Tony Tony East my guest the
mindset as so far he has been a pro. But
you do feel bad for Pascal Siakam just because he's
been the one stable player right into you know that
has not missed time, and yet he's got different guys
around him seemingly all the time. Have you seen any

(34:15):
indication at all that Sam is approaching being over it.
I mean over it as in, yeah, that's that's an
extreme that's an extreme case. I don't mean that would
be the case, but but where he is getting fatigued
by it.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Yeah, And I think you said that like early when
they were you know whatever, it was too and eight
or whatever, and they lost that tight game to the
Bucks at the Buzzer, and you know, he was answering
a lot of questions about like just how frustrating it
is that at that time they were at least playing okay,
but they.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Just couldn't win.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
And you know, he talked about how much they wanted
to turn it around.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
And you know how.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Frustrating was that they were having good stretches and then
they played awful on that road trip and for a
few games at home, and that's when I think you
saw the frustration, really said then for him, because I mean,
the Pacers record is so bad that they probably don't
deserve an All Star and the actors like that. But
if you just stack up Siakam stats to everybody in
the NBA, like he definitely deserves it, Like he's I

(35:09):
think only three or four guys are matching his per
game points rebounds, assists numbers, and you know, he's been
awesome for them, and like when he's on the floor
with the second unit, that group looks good, like they're
not rating when he's on the floor, it's pretty pretty acceptable,
even for a bad team. But then they lose and
it's very little to do with him.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
He was not good against the Wizards, to.

Speaker 5 (35:28):
Be clear, So I was wonderful, like he has always
had winning at his center, like since here, since winning
a title, Like he talked about part of why he,
you know, maybe was interested in coming here from Toronto
being that you know, Toronto wasn't winning as much anymore
and he missed that feeling. And he's a very simple guy.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
And then you know, a bunch.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
Of his teammates got paid a couple summers ago, and
he would he answered one question one time and talked
about how you know, if you win a lot, you'll
get paid. And you know, it's like it's always just
been who he is and what's a big part of
him in the NBA, and the pitchers are not doing
that right now, and you can see it on its
face during games, and you can hear it by what
he says postgame. But I think he also knows that
Tyre Salburn will be back next year, so he's kind

(36:06):
of the face of what I'm talking about. Of it's
it sucks like you guys thought they'd be better. They
know they're good players, but they're not winning at all.
But they know that, you know, brighter days are coming,
and so they kind of just have to take it,
which makes it way more difficult in the moment. Maybe
there'll be a point where they realize that it won't
be so bad. It's only one season, but you know,
one seasons a long time in the NBA, and at
six and.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Twenty is not a fun stretch for anybody.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Tony East again locked on Pacers Forbes. You hear him
on this radio show as well on the Java House
peeling Poor guest line Pacers next night at Gambridge Field House.
Tony appreciate it as always.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
I hope they make a video of you doing that
for like an advert or it may be very well.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Listen, I've never really even thought about the fact I
do it. It just it just naturally. I'm like a walking harmonica.
It's one of them.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
When I go ahead, my.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
Wife makes reilly noises like that.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
I always say what was that? Can you repeat that?

Speaker 5 (36:57):
And she says, one time deal. So I'm glad you
actually went through with it and repeated the whole exchange.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
For me, a man of limited talents has to weigh
in and lean in on any talent that may be found, Tony.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
So yes, we do.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
All right, We'll be looking for the coverage to the
next game tonight. I appreciate it, you get it, okay
when we come back. It was sixty minutes that did
a feature a profile on Indiana University football, but for
the professional sports team in town, another news magazine show
of yesteryear. The title might be applicable twenty twenty because
that might be one of the areas of discussion and

(37:32):
debate internally for the Colts. I will explain what I'm
talking about next. You know, you don't. You don't look
for signs that there's an inconsistency, and you don't try
to create I promise you, promise you. And when I

(37:53):
say this, people probably are going to jump up and
down and offer for five thousand, two hundred and sixty
four examples to the counter. I get it, but I
promise you of this. I don't make storylines up I

(38:15):
don't create drama, and I think that there are people
that we cover or we talk about in sport that
doesn't do either. But for whatever reason, there are some
athletes that it just seems drama is constantly around them.
Some of it they create, some of it gets unfairly tagged.

(38:40):
For example, Draymond Green. There are times where Draymond Green
is probably involved in a play that he had nothing
to do with any impropriety, but he gets whistled for it,
and then he goes bonkers, and then it just becomes
on and on and on. But it seems like when
you say, okay, if I had to pick one player
in an NBA game and there was a misunderstanding where

(39:03):
the player got upset and frustrated and no, you'd go, oh,
it had to be Draymond Green. And in the situation
with Anthony Richardson, I don't think he's a bad guy
at all. I don't think the Colts think he's a
bad guy, but I think it's clear they don't trust him.
They don't trust him for whatever reason, either because they

(39:26):
didn't like what they saw early on, or because eventually
you're the reputation or the label or the thought process
about somebody becomes a reality, and early on Shane Steichen
was disappointed in And when you say the work ethic
of a guy, I don't mean that that means that

(39:47):
they were expecting him to like be Kobe Bryant and
be there at four point thirty in the morning every
day and leave at nine o'clock at night every day.
But I think Anthony Richardson thought, well, for work at
eight and I leave at five, and they're like, yeah,
but you're the quarterback. It needs to be seven to six,
you know that kind of thing. I don't think anything
was ever. I don't think there were ever screaming matches

(40:09):
anything like that. I think the Colts just got to
a point where they were getting frustrated that things were
not becoming a clear vision of what they wanted for him.
And then clear vision becomes the latest drama, and yeah,
it feels like a drama, and maybe we're making more

(40:30):
out of it. I'm simply gonna do this. I'm going
to play for you, Shane Steichen today. I'm going to
play for you Anthony Richardson today. I'm then, at the
top of the hour, going to allow you, the Colts fans,
to tell me whether or not you believe there's something there.

(40:57):
And by something there, I mean it almost sounds like
the Colts are looking for reason to not put him
on the field. I don't know that, I listen. I
totally Again, I go back to if the Colts had
simply said, look, guys, he had a broken bone in

(41:18):
his eye socket. That's gonna take some time that we
cannot afford or risk him getting hit there again, even
if it's healed right now, Okay, cool, Everyone to a
man and woman in this town would be like, totally
understand the thought of a bone fracture of my eye socket. No, thanks, right,
totally understand. But instead you're getting these mixed signals. It's

(41:43):
about his conditioning. Reggie Wayne, you know, saying well, are
you know? Are you in the building like ice inferring, Look,
I see what's going on in the building. Well, what's
going on in the building. Shane Steichen was asked earlier
about Anthony Richardson and whether or not he is going
to be able to play now that he is medically cleared.

Speaker 7 (42:04):
Yeah, I think like you get the clearance from the
bone structure that was cleared obviously, but there was limitations
with that, you know, with the vision that's healing. So
he's working through that. Like I said, he's gonna have
to manage it. I get him out on the practice
field and go from there.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Okay. Anthony Richardson on where things stand.

Speaker 8 (42:22):
I feel normal. You know, I'm able to see, able
to jive, walk around, I bump into anything. So that's
not really major limitations. You know, it's just a little
different because because of the impact that happened in my eye.
But you know, most of us really the same. You know,
I'm still able to move around the same and do
everything I needed to do, So that's not that bad.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
It's not that bad. Edy Garrison with breaking news.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Mike Nysilek Front of the program, tweeting just about a
half hour or so ago that Indiana football offensive coordinator
Jake Mike Shanahan has agreed to a new three year
deal with the school. Per sources familiar with the situation,
IU has now locked yeah both of its coordinators to
new deals to keep them in the fold for next
year in Bloomington.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Like I mentioned, sixty minutes talked about how Indiana, from
a football standpoint financially wanted to now make a bigger
pledge and commitment to Indiana football to make sure they
stay where they are obviously the number one seed. And
then as I talked about sixty minutes many years ago there,
I think it's still around though the show twenty twenty,
and is this now in the news magazine version from

(43:29):
the Colt standpoint of twenty twenty? Does anybody else notice?
And I'll play them both one more time? Does anybody
else notice anything? Here? We're gonna play Perry Mason together.
We're gonna play give me your favorite detective of all
time together me.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, I don't know, Sherlock.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Holmes, Sherlock Holmes. We're gonna play Sherlock Holmes together, Mission Impossible,
James Bond, whatever it might be, all of it. We're
gonna play those two clips. And I want you folks
to tell me if you think they're in fact is
an inconsistency of messaging here? Two nine ten seventy is
the telephone number on this day with this story between

(44:07):
Richardson and Stike in all kinds of stuff going on
here on a busy newsy Thursday. We'll get back into
the Stike and Richardson thing in just a second. I
wanted to send this along from the ex post Twitter.
This is from Ben Divine, who covers it appears the

(44:31):
Bears the Bears in the Chicago area. He sent a
post that says, here's how fast Indiana is moving. They
have already signed a bill allowing major sports complexes to
be built tax free in Northwest Indiana. So maybe I
was wrong, Maybe Indiana again that that becomes then And

(44:56):
this is like I said earlier, well above my pay grade,
of the un standing of how the logistics would work
of a team if it was would they have to
move all of their headquarters to Northwest Indiana if they
were to build a stadium here. Could they be headquartered
as a business entity in Chicago but play their games
in you know, Merrillville or Gary or whatever it might be.

(45:19):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Isn't that like either of the New York teams? Do they?
I would have to look into.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
This, well, different states obviously, with New York and New Jersey.
I have no idea. I mean, there is Eddie. Without
getting too far into the weeds here, I could be wrong.
I don't live in that area, but I think that
when you talk about the lawmakers and certainly the politics

(45:46):
of Chicago versus the state government of Indiana, it is
probably more slippery than it is between New York and
New Jersey. Now, I will say, if the Bears are
contemplating and getting this heavy into it, be forewarned that

(46:06):
the phrase why not Indiana is trademarked. Now, if the
Bears would like to sell t shirts to alarm the
city of Chicago and its lawmakers that say why not Indiana,
then we could talk. I'm all about it. I'm all
about if the Bears want to do that. Also, Andrew

(46:27):
Luck was earlier on and I like this guy a lot,
did a little bit with him during the Super Bowl
when it was here. I'll be honest, I was not
totally aware that he was still doing a show. I
think it's an online show. But Andrew Luck was on
with Jim Rome today and said that the Colts did
They never called Andrew Luck, and not that that's a surprise,
and that's not a bad thing. But Jim Rome asked

(46:47):
him how many chances or how many times he had
to say no to the Colts, and he said zero.
But I amware, I need to be. I would have
politely declined had the Colts called, and I think probably
Chris Ballard is aware of that. All right, let's get
back into this situation. Two three nine ten seventy is
the telephone number I'm going to play again. I almost

(47:10):
want to do this like unsolicited it unsolicit is the
wrong word. I'm sorry, without leading you, without bias. I
have my own thought. I think I've probably voiced that.
But but I want people to listen to this and
then tell me what you hear or don't hear. Okay.

(47:32):
Shane Steiken asked earlier today about Anthony Richardson. Now that
Anthony Richardson has been medically cleared to practice, and again
what we know. These are all just facts that I'm
pointing out. Shane Steiken had said that while the eye
was cleared for Anthony Richardson to return to practice, that

(47:56):
Anthony Richardson was not in the physical conditioning just yet
and that they would need some time. That then was
the question was raised of what sort of physical conditioning
does a former top five pick that was taking snaps
in the National Football League, you know, as recently as

(48:16):
a year ago, need to get into to equate to
a forty four year old that has not played in
five years after five weeks off, what condition was he?
And then six weeks ago Reggie Wayne, when someone brought
up that question mark on social media, replied with are
you at home or in the building, which would imply

(48:38):
to me that what Reggie Wayne is saying there without
realizing he's saying it is Look, you have no idea
the behind the scenes with Anthony Richardson, to which raises
the question, well, what are the behind the scenes. So today,
when Shane Steichen was discussing the availability of players from
Monday Night Football against the San Francisco forty nine ers, like,

(48:59):
for example, the fact that DeForest Buckner is back, the
fact that Bernard Rayman and Sauce Gardner are not practicing today,
he was then asked about Anthony Richardson and the difference
between being medically cleared to practice and playing.

Speaker 7 (49:16):
Yeah, I think, like you get the clearance from the
bone structure that was cleared obviously, but there was limitations
to manage it. I get him out on the practice
field and go from there.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
So then here is Anthony Richardson when asked about those
comments from Shane Steikin.

Speaker 8 (49:35):
I feel normal. You know, I'm able to see, able
to drive, walk around, I bump in to anything, So
that was not really major limitations. You know, It's just
a little different because because of the impact that happened
to my eye. But you know, most of us really
the same. You know, I'm still able to move around
the same and do everything I need to do, So
that's not that bad.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Two three nine, ten seventy is the telephone number. Maybe
people are exhausted by it. Maybe I'm guilty of because
this is the case at times, Eddie. As you know,
I maybe I overthink things, maybe I overanalyze things or
overinterpret things.

Speaker 8 (50:16):
But that's not that bad.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Your thoughts on that, Eddie, What do you hear in that.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
I hear Anthony trying to downplay it a little bit,
and I think Shane is being a little more truthful
about the situation, just because there's been so many injuries
on the history of Anthony Richardson that he's paranoid about this,
you know, this lingering. You're like, hey, why isn't he
out there? Why is he out there?

Speaker 4 (50:42):
This?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
That and the other and he's saying, Yeah, it's guys,
I'm fine, it's not that bad.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
So do you think let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
But it's also it's it's no shock to me that
these two aren't on the same page. Like you go
back to how the whole benching was handled last year
with Anthony Richardson and the messaging between him and Chains
thinking totally different.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Do you believe that Shane Steichen is being truthful and
Anthony Richardson is being guarded because Anthony Richardson does not
want to affect or impact his stock, knowing that he

(51:26):
is on the cusp of perhaps from another team perhaps
signing him or getting the opportunity to play to still
get a second contract in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah, that's a fair point to bring up, Jake, because
if you think about it, if other teams are monitoring
the situation, because let's say you're the New Orleans Saints
and you are interested in potentially trading for Anthony Richardson
because you don't think Tyler Shuck is a franchise level
quarterback here and you want to bring on a guy
who is going to be in the final year of

(51:57):
his rickey contract. You know he may play with a
chip on his sh order like, hey, I got to,
you know, play well so I can secure a quote
unquote bag as the kids say. And you kind of
give Kellen Moore the head coach of the quarterback that
he wants if he is, you know, if he chooses
Anthony Richardson as the guy he wants to, you know,
potentially build around as the quarterback. You've got Anthony telling

(52:18):
all these other guys like, hey, look, yeah, I'm fine.
It's the other people that are holding me back. It's
Shane Stikeen and Chris Ballard and the training staff. Who
knows they're the reason why I'm not playing. It's not me.
I'm fine. I can go out there and play Sunday
if needed.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I mean, it certainly feels like that's kind of what
he's indirectly saying, right like I could. But the Richardson,
it's in Richardson's best interest to indicate that Richardson can play.
It's in Stikeen's best interest probably or the best interest
of the Colts to indicate that if he could play,

(52:54):
he would be out there because you want his value
to be high. But I am still I am simply
convinced Shane Steikin wants no part of that.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Me too, Me too, Shan.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I am and I'm probably going to be off base here,
and I will gladly, gladly admit if and when I'm wrong.
I don't believe that Anthony Richardson takes another meaningful starting
snap as an Indianapolis cult, even if it's next year

(53:33):
and Daniel Jones is re signed and Daniel Jones is
not available until late September. Even if Daniel Jones first
start as a cult next year, you have to make
the decision whether to go to the Covered Bridge Festival
or watch the Colts with Daniel Jones in his first

(53:55):
start the games that would precede that, the two to
three of them. Even if it's Riley, even if Anthony
Richardson is available, I don't believe he starts. I think
it's Riley Leonard or I don't think it'd be Philip Rivers.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
But I just.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
I that sounds to me like what we are seeing
is a guy that from a head coaching standpoint, and
I don't think it's personal. I don't.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
It goes back to just quarterbacks need to have a
coach that believes in what they can do in tight situations,
and coaches need quarterbacks that they are comfortable delivering to

(54:47):
them a message or a game plan or requesting of
them an execution of what they need done. And I
just think Shane Steichen is out on that. And I
think that Shane's you become we all. We all favor familiarity,

(55:10):
we do and anything. And the familiarity for Shane stike
In clearly is with Daniel Jones, which is ironic because
he had Richardson first, but not consistent Richardson again. Maybe
I'm misreading it, but that sounds to me like, in fact,

(55:30):
a coach that's totally out. Eddie. Do you think the
Bears really could move to Indiana?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I have no idea. I wish I could give you
a more direct answer or yes or no, but I've
got no clue.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
I would think that the Colts, and this is what
will get interesting. The Colts are a heartbeat organization of

(56:07):
this community from a civic pride standpoint, from a revenue standpoint,
from a branding standpoint. And the Pacers interesting that the

(56:27):
you know the Indiana Pacers yet? And part of this
is just NFL versus NBA. I think you could make
the argument that the Colts have a fan base that
encompasses a larger percentage or portion of Indiana than do
the Pacers, and a lot of that is just because
of the nature of the NBA. You know, the the

(56:54):
NBA is more of a stars league, and so if
you're a kid living in Fort Wayne or Evansville or
South Bend, your favorite team more likely it's less about
who your favorite team is and who your favorite player
is because the NBA markets individual stars. So you're what

(57:17):
do we call it the Carmel pups games When the
Golden State Warriors are here, or the Lakers are here,
or Yannis is here or Women Miyama is here, I
can tell you the ticket requests for those games go
up exponentially because you have kids in Elwood and Terre

(57:39):
Hate and Fort Wayne and Muncie that they love those
players and they want to see them play, and so
they come to Gamebridge to see them play against the Pacers.
And the NFL standpoint, it's more about like the team itself.
But the Colts have become such an integral part of
this city and the state that I would be curious

(58:04):
to see whether or not the Colts would go to
state lawmakers and say, look, I know that you just
passed apparently or allegedly some sort of legislation that a
stadium could be built tax free. Here. That seems to
me to be that if that report is true, it

(58:24):
surprises me, I'll be honest with you, but it wouldn't
surprise me if eventually Carli orse Gordon or Dan Emerson,
who's the legal representative of the Colts, went to the
state understandably so and said, look, we need to discuss
this because it would not be in the Colts' best interest.
I think the Colts only in the last ten years
or so, the Colts have made a very concerted effort,

(58:45):
even though they are the Indianapolis Colts, to brand as
a state team. They're playing this Monday night with the
Indiana Knights uniforms. Yeah, maybe that parlays or plays off
of the Tom Petty lyric, but the logo itself is

(59:07):
the Colts Sea with the State of Indiana outline subtly
and subliminally within it. And it's in their best interest
to market and brand themselves, and they have done more
in the last decade. It would seem between sponsoring the
high school football state finals and traveling around with blue
and doing such other things to get and in northern Indiana.

(59:29):
Though it is true also on the other side of
that that you get north of Lafayette and you get
into that weird region where you're in the central time zone.
And then certainly you get into the region Gary Merrillville,
East Chicago. Those shook the Bears are the team up there,
no question, I get it. But having people sitting on

(59:53):
their couch to watch the team versus having people like
going out and buying even more merchandise of or whatever
else the team, or having then the team from a
national branding standpoint be associated with Indiana or two different things,
because then you also get into, you know, honestly, things

(01:00:18):
like for example, if a and I'm not going to
say any names, but if a major branded beverage or
a major branded athletic gear does marketing and merchandising within
a certain state. You know how it is, You're driving
to Florida, you stop at a rest stop somewhere in

(01:00:41):
rural Georgia and you get yourself a soft drink and
it's got the Falcons logo on the bottle, and it's
the special commemorative, you know, collect all twenty five Falcon
legend can whatever that the Falcon's got to cut of that,
and they say, we're doing this all across the state
of Georgia, And yes, they're Probably is some truth to

(01:01:01):
the fact that the NFL, when they do those things
now puts the Bears to an extent within the state
of Indiana. But it's still in the Cults' best interest
to make sure from all marketing and all attachment standpoint,
that the state of Indiana is ubiquitously as much as
possible associated with the Colts and not another franchise. And
so it would surprise me if the Colts are not

(01:01:23):
currently and actively working on doing something to make sure
that that is not going to happen. And I still
maintain it's probably all for not Eddie. Today we were
discussing you and I were strategizing right about it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
We talk outside of the year to three.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
It was mostly text and it was the discussion we
had was do we need to have somebody on right
now from Chicago to discuss this? And I said, let's
not do it yet, because I think this is just
this is literally it's like anything else, no matter where

(01:02:03):
you work, no matter where you work, it's always nice
for your employer to think that you have options when
you're in a contract year, because you want to be
able to say, you know, hey, I want my boss
to think, like, you know what, We're gonna have to
give this guy raised or else we might lose them
to across the street.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
It's the word that resulting in the Cults picking up
a win jake that you're describing right now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Leverage, Yes, leverage, and the Bears are trying to create leverage.
Do the Colts want the NFL television footprint in areas
of northern Indiana where they're televised? Do they want that

(01:02:51):
all of a sudden, now being a more legitimate discussion
about shrinking the level of the regional broadcast where the
Colts get penetration to your television. No, But the Bears
want those that can come up with the money to
build them a new stadium. They absolutely, without question and

(01:03:15):
with one hundred percent certainty, want that market to go.
Oh gosh, what would it mean. What would it mean
to the city of Chicago, to the revenue of Chicago,
to the sales tax of Chicago if now, all of
a sudden the Bears are playing in a different state

(01:03:35):
and a different state, where lawmakers in Chicago, already in
different areas and in different discussions, have beef for lack
of a better phrase, with the state of Indiana. Speaking

(01:03:59):
of the state of Indiana, Tom Allen is down now
in South Carolina with Clemson. He is the defensive coordinator
there Clemson getting set for the Is it called the
pen Stripe Bowl? The Yankee Bull? Is that what it is?
I think it's pen straight bull. They've got Penn State, right, Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Really? So if you're his former team.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
If you're Penn State and you're playing in that game,
don't you then call it the pin Stripe Bowl and
you spell it pe n n str you have you right?
I think that's right. It is his former team, so
Clemson and Penn State. And I'm sure when Tom Allen
went there he thought the last thing that he expected
was that he was going to be the defensive I mean,
at the beginning of the year, Clemson. Keep in mind,

(01:04:37):
it was thought that Clemson was one that had an
inside track on the number one seed in the College
Football Playoff, But instead it is the Indiana Fighting Hoosiers
and Tom Allen in getting ready for the pen Stripe Bowl.
And I know that the guy's played this this morning,
but there's something about it that caught my ear. Tom
Allen was asked he was snapping, he was doing the
fight song, and then he was asked about indian being

(01:05:00):
the number one seed, and here's what he had to say,
and listen to the very end.

Speaker 9 (01:05:04):
Just super happy for the players, math text, a bunch
of them, the parents just so happy for him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
A bunch of those guys are playing for him.

Speaker 9 (01:05:10):
You know, we got one as the Big Ten Player
of the Year on the offensive line, and the kickers
doing extremely well, receivers, a bunch of lignemen, dbs, you know,
just one of their linebackers. Just really really happy for
those guys, and just really happy that they've chosen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
To invest in football.

Speaker 9 (01:05:26):
You know, that's something they know they needed to do,
so that went out left and they had not done
that in the past at the level that was necessary,
and it's been awesome to see them recognize that and
invest and be able to see them be rewarded for that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
In his defense, he did say that he did say
on the way out that Indiana needed to put better
capital into the football program, and here they are number
one seed overall. Christmas is upon us, and we've talked
about women in sports. Good friend of the show, and
he a we've been doing investigative work all day a
little double seven within his ex post Twitter account. I'm

(01:06:00):
talking about David Woods, former writer the Indianapolis Star, been
covering a local athlete a lot lately. I want to
ask him about that and about the book he's got
out that is going to be perfect to end up
under a tree near you. Soon. We'll explain next what
Christmas time indeed is here. By the way, Matt Taylor,

(01:06:20):
voice of the Colts, coming up to thirty today about
an hour from now. We've been talking a lot about
what's been going on with the Colts and for that matter,
the Chicago Bears, oddly enough, and I still I will
until I hear otherwise. I'm still going to sit here
and say there is I just would be stunned. It's
a leverage played by the Bears. I don't think they're
actually going to come to Indiana. There's also a story

(01:06:44):
I want to get to, while still unconfirmed, out of
North Carolina that is kind of a breaking news thing
that happened right when we went on the air, But
more information is coming about. But before we get to
all of that, wanted to bring back onto the program
one of the real good guys in Central Indiana, a
guy that you read about and have for years in
terms of covering track and field athletes notably and the

(01:07:07):
Olympic Sports also is well aware of the accomplishment of
women over time in Indianapolis and the state of Indiana
and has a new book, Inspiring Women of Indiana Sports
is the title of the book, and by that I
mean not a book that is inspiring women, although it
does do that, but rather a book about women who
have been inspiring throughout their time in Indiana and in sports.

(01:07:29):
And David Woods, who is David Woods double seven on
the ex post Twitter, joining me now on the Java
House Peel and poor guest line David, Happy holidays, How
are you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I'm doing great, did Jake? Thanks so much for having
me on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Let's go back to And it's been a couple months
since the book came out. I know we talked to
you when it first came out, but this is, you know,
fabulous stuff because what you did when from you know,
our conversation before is you just went back and thought
to yourself, I got a lot of good stuff here
that should all be put into basically one big album. Right,
take me through just how this all came about the

(01:08:04):
Inspiring Women of Indiana Sports book.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Yeah, as you usually do, Jake, you got it exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:08:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
It occurred to me that because I had covered you know,
Olympic sports and the Indiana fever for so long, I
had over time quite this collection of uh of stories
about about Indiana women's sports figures and and gosh, most
of them are the backstories are pretty amazing. And I thought, gosh,

(01:08:32):
I think I think this would be a neat book.
And I UH and I passed it on to UH
Indie Star Sports that are Nat Newell, and he passed
it on to UH people that at Gannett, which has
a relationship with Pediment Pediment Publishing, and uh lo and
behold and somewhat to my surprise, UH, the book was
published and and and uh and the editor Geene Myers

(01:08:55):
did such a fabulous job of coming up with with
photos and stuff. It's uh, it's an amazingly beautiful coffee
table book. Of course, I was more concerned about the words,
but the pictures make the whole thing just really exceeded
my expectations enormously.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
David, when you go back, you know, if you think
about it right now and obviously the evolution of women's
sports in Central Indiana in particular, but just nationally, you know,
it goes without saying we've had the cross through of
those you know, elite female athletes like a you know,
Florence Griffith Joiner that has had to compete in Indiana

(01:09:34):
as a springboard of their career. But right now we
are admist obviously with Caitlin Clark, you know, a huge
surge in terms of interest of women's sports in the
Indiana fever, when you've gone back and look and studied
it and looked at the articles that you have, in
the photos you have, is there any time that you
would say was the golden era of women's sports in Indiana?

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
I'm not sure. I know it was certainly well, it
was actually maybe not a golden moment but a silver
moment when Bridget Sloan and Samantha Peschik were on the
two thousand and eight Olympic gymnastics team that won the silver,
you know, kind of on foreign for soil against the
gold witting China. That was remarkable because as I looked
at the odds of making a women's gymnastics Olympic team,

(01:10:25):
basically the odds are one in a million based on
the number of girls who do gymnastics the United States
and here Indiana had two girls on the team, and
they weren't they didn't move here from elsewhere. They were
from here, and they were at two different gyms. Even
so you know that that was certainly remarkable. But I

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don't know if there's been specifically a Golden era. I mean,
the Indian athletes have won a lot of medals at
the twenty sixteen, twenty one, and twenty four Olympics, so
you know we might be in that era now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
You know, David, it's it's when I have watched and
followed along, when you know the different stories that you've covered.
And again, the book, by the way, is Inspiring Women
of Indiana Sports. It's available from Pediment Publishing that is
Pediment dot com, P E D I E N T
dot com, Pediment dot com. Also, if you are familiar
with my Twitter account at Jake Query, I had just

(01:11:24):
reposted David's yesterday mentioned of coming on the show that
has links as well for the book fabulous and perfect,
not only book people would enjoy, but for the holidays.
It goes without saying, it'll be a great gift item, David.
When you look at today and you know you talk
about Samantha Passage, Bridget Sloan, one of those Olympians, and

(01:11:45):
I know we're talking about women here, but Cole Hawker's
kept you plenty busy, right just in terms of the
things that you cover. And I know that it is
our job to stay objective when covering athletes, but I
can also tell and appreciate the fact that you, in
covering Cole hawk have had a great appreciation and respect,
kind of a pride to the fact that he's from Sinjol, Indiana.

(01:12:05):
But I think more so you have been able to
truly admire his career because of some of the different
times that he has persevered, perhaps when others had written
him off. And I can see in your writing that
you are aware of that. What has it been like
to follow his career.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Well, I told his agent a couple of years ago,
actually even before the even before the Paris Olympics, so
I thought he might end up becoming the most important
sports figure you know, I ever reported on a regular basis,
And I do think he is. Winning the Olympic fifteen
hundred meters is an amazing achievement to do it, to

(01:12:42):
do so as an underdog, setting an Olympic record even
more so. And then when he won a world championship
at Tokyo in September at five thousand meters, I mean,
he's one of only five men who have won global
titles at fifteen hundred and five thousand meters. And you know,
we're talking about basically the world's oldest sport, track and field.
So that's it has been interesting to follow his career.

(01:13:07):
Remember you're watching, you know, running at the cross country
semi state over at over at Shelbyville, or the state
or the state meet in Bloomington. So to do what
he's done is amazing and I and I think you
will go for ald record in the indoor two mile
February first at the Millrose Games in the New York Armory.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
I thank you, will.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
I think you'll aim for that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
David does your book, by the Way, Inspiring Women of
Indiana Sports. The author of it in the articles and
that are featured in the book is David Woods, who
joins me now on the Java House Peel and Poor
guest line. And I know that it is a collection
of different stories that you had covered in your time
here in covering sports in Central Indiana. Did you go
back also retroactively to before those that you covered that

(01:13:54):
may also have been featured or in photograph mentioned in
the book.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
I didn't per se, but I but I did. I
did write about a couple of what I would consider,
you know, real uh, you know, real pioneers in the
sport that they weren't active at the time. But but
uh but as cheryld forg at a marathon world record,
she's out of North Central High School, and I wrote

(01:14:19):
about her and her daughter Shelaine Flanagan, who went on
to win an Olympic silver medal and win in New
York Marathon. And and the also the uh comone at
uh divert out of out of IU. Cynthia Potter, who
who has done people might recognize her name because she's

(01:14:40):
done commentary commentary on on every Olympics for oh gosh,
you know, going back to the eighties. She's been the
uh the commentator and she still does it. So it's
not all from necessarily from from the time I've covered,
but that but that's but that's what I but that's
what I focused on, and I was and I was

(01:15:03):
glad to get as many as thirty one women covered.
You know, I could have included twice that many. So
the hard part was kind of making the cut. But
if it came down to inspirational story versus resume, I
tended to go with the inspirational story.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Love it inspiring women of Indiana Sports is the book.
Pediment dot com. That's p E d I M E
n T. Pediment dot com is the website where you
can see it. David Woods zero zero seven on the
X or Twitter, whichever way you'd like to refer to David,
Happy holidays, Appreciate it as always, and again, congratulations on
the book. I know it's going to be something a

(01:15:38):
lot of people enjoy and I appreciate your time today.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Hey, thank you so much. Shake Happy holidays to you too.
Everybody at the station.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Very much appreciate it. David Woods joining us on the program.
The other thing that I wanted to get to several
people have sent this to me, and obviously at this
point it is one sadly and tragically where information is
still coming in. But what we do know is this
in North Carolina just before we went on today. As

(01:16:04):
a matter of fact, I believe this happened in the
ten o'clock hour. It became that the news was leaking
out just before we went on. But a private plane
that is by tail number owned by the aviation leaseing
corporation of Greg Biffle, the NASCAR former NASCAR star Greg Biffle,

(01:16:29):
crashed this morning at ten twenty and that Sesna C
five fifty, the tail number is tied to Greg Biffle.
Authorities in North Carolina and sadly, tragically, you know, disturbingly,
I mean, it was a very fiery plane crash, and

(01:16:50):
they have officials have said that it indeed does involve
multiple fatalities, and based on the imagery of it, one
would assume that the fatalities, unfortunately, would be anybody who
happened to be on board. The assumption or the connection
that one would make is that, in fact, because there

(01:17:11):
was initial link that Greg Biffle and his wife and
children would have been or were on said plane, it
has not yet been confirmed of that fact. But there
are multiple people that were close to Greg Biffle that
are offering their notes of hope and asking for the

(01:17:37):
prayers of Greg Biffle. So it would be irresponsible to
conclusively say that's who it is. Either way. You know,
I hear a lot of I see a lot of
people and I understand it that are like, oh gosh,
you know, please don't let it be. These people are
that people on a certain The bottom line is there
is a loss of life that alone is tragic. In

(01:17:58):
those situations, no one life is more more important or
more valuable than another. But Greg Biffel is someone who
his name has been linked to a lot of great deeds.
When North Carolina suffered the terrible flooding that they had
after natural disasters, I want to say that was a

(01:18:20):
year and a half, two years ago, whenever, that was
the years all kind of go together. But he offered,
and he received a lot of praise, which is not
the reason that he did it. But he offered. He
had helicopters. He actually I recall now and I'm going
off the top of my head here, but he owned
a fleet either a helicopter or a fleet of helicopters

(01:18:41):
and began using them to get goods in and out
to help people out, to help get people out of
flooded areas, and in my limited time in being around
NASCAR and covering the Brickyard four hundred, both from a
television standpoint when it was at its absence apex to
also being on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Radio Network broadcast

(01:19:05):
both in the pits and in turns. During the driving
career of Greg Biffle, while I did not know him well,
I remember one of the early years of the Brickyard
when he had a sponsorship and a partnership with an
oil change corporation and was and did a big promotional
thing where for all day long he provided I mean,
I'm not saying he himself, but the company provided free

(01:19:29):
oil changes to anybody all day long and he was
there and I interviewed him for that and he he
was a really laid back in that I is. I mean,
we don't know that I should speak of him posthumously,
but in that moment he was a super laid back interview,
really fun guy and personable. And I remember that year
in the race in the Brickyard he led several laps

(01:19:51):
and was running up towards the front, And even though
it's not our job to do so, I remember kind
of rooting for the guy because I'm like, man, he
was just super cool. And you know, my good friend
from high school and my then high school broadcast partner,
Adam Alexander, has worked with Greg Biffel and the NASCAR
side of things, has always spoken very glowingly about him.
So certainly the most important and best intended thoughts for

(01:20:20):
whoever it was that was tragically on board that plane.
And we will wait to find out more information, but
that is a story that is developing as we speak here.
There is news from the Colts Complex Matt Taylor going
to join us coming up bottom of the two o'clock hour.
But those that are in and those that are out
in terms of practice is they now get set for
in Indiana Knights game Monday night football against San Francisco.

(01:20:44):
Will let you know who's in it as of right now,
who's in and out next? So there are now and
I'm always cautious, and I don't mean that as because
I know it's a different it is. We live in
a different world in terms of news distribution, and there are,

(01:21:14):
And so what I'm getting at is, I mean it
as no disrespect to have hesitation when someone posts something
on social media that you would assume would know and
can confirm certain stories. But while there are people that

(01:21:37):
have posted that, yes, in fact, confirming that Greg Biffel
and his family were on the plane that has crashed,
there is not an official from officials. When I say officials,
I mean like in TSB or those confirming who the
victims were. But it would appear as though it would

(01:22:00):
appear as though Greg Biffle, his wife, and two children
or at the very least one child, were on the
plane that crashed in North Carolina, and officials there have
said that it was fatalities and no survivors of the

(01:22:21):
plane itself. So my guess would be that it will
be And you know, in today's world, news does happen
very quickly and get confirmed very quickly. Also, it can
spread erroneously very quickly. That's why. And I apologize for
being for walking around, you know, tiptoeing through it, but
you do have to be careful in situations like that

(01:22:46):
because sometimes you just never know when Sometimes when if
there is an independent even though it looks like it
is very credible someone close to Greg Biffle saying that
Greg Biffle and his family were involved in a terrible
plane crash in North Carolina, and again, the people that
would be much closer to that situation can opine or

(01:23:09):
spread or discuss. I guess I should say that the
stories of goodwill about Greg Biffle well more than I
only to say that as someone who is involved peripherally
with the sport of auto racing and has been involved
not intimately but pretty close to it within NASCAR on

(01:23:32):
a number of occasions, I have never heard anything other
than Greg Biffle being a really really good guy. And
in my very limited experience, I've never heard anything other
than Greg Biffle being a really really good guy. So

(01:23:52):
that that is where things stand with that. As for
the colts back on the practice field, and Bernard Ryman
and Sauce Gardner are two that I was really interested in.
Eddie Nathaniel, don't call me Atticus. Finch was our boots
on the ground over there, and he did shed some light,
did he not on what he was able to see

(01:24:12):
or learn from Shane Styke. And as to the availability
of Sauce Gardner and Bernard Ryman.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Those two will not practice at least today, but Shane
Steiken said they are progressing well and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
They do have an extra day obviously, right, So then
DeForest Buckner is DeForest Buckner is back right on the
practice field.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
I believe it was limited every day last week leading
up to the Seattle game. So things are training in
the right direction for to Forest Buckner to be playing
against his former team.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
So that's you know, that's Philip Rivers is the starter,
and Riley Leonard is back on the practice field and
in that capacity, Shane Styken had said when it comes
to Philip Rivers, like, look, Riley Leonard is good to go,
he's cleared, but he has a great chance to learn.
Essentially is where he went with that or how he

(01:25:03):
said it. So Riley Leonard is the backup and Anthony
Richardson is kind of its own entity because what we
know is that Anthony Richardson. Shane Steichen said that Anthony
Richardson was still having some limitation. I'll put it to

(01:25:24):
you that way, limitation and with his vision. And Anthony
Richardson said, and someone pointed out to me, and it's
a fair point, and it may well be the right point.
But one of the things that was pointed out to
me when we played the two clips of those two
men earlier was, Hey, these are two people saying the

(01:25:47):
exact same thing, just in different ways, in different wording.
And maybe that's the case, and maybe I'm guilty of
jumping to something and determining prima surely that there's more
there than is there. That is entirely possible. Now, Eddie,

(01:26:08):
we played it earlier. Do you think, in fact there's
more there than what's there. I will let you fester
on that, and we'll let everybody else hear it, and
we'll do it on the other side. Okay, several things
to get to here today on a very busy newsy Thursday.

(01:26:30):
It's really funny about funny is the wrong word, I guess,
but fascinating about doing this job, because there are days
when you're in here and you just it's like you
feel like you're treading water amidst like one of those
wave pools. And then there's other days where it just

(01:26:53):
there's just constant stuff going on. Sometimes, you know, not always.
Sometimes it's tragic, right, and situation of what appears to
involve Greg Biffle at the very least. It involves a
plane that he owns. One driver who apparently Greg Biffle's

(01:27:18):
family was on the way to visit, has said that
it was Greg Biffle and his family that was on board.
But again, nothing is confirmed. But a plane crash in
North Carolina and fatalities involved in increased number now of

(01:27:40):
statements that Greg Biffle is believed to have been on board,
but that is still officially in an official capacity, unconfirmed
at this point. Also, I don't know if anybody saw
this before we get into Shane Steichen and the Colts News.
It is not necessarily of local significance. But Will Wade

(01:28:02):
is the head basketball coach at North Carolina State, and
he you know, he's one that And I always get confused.
I always get confused, like Morehead State, Murray State, McNeese State.

(01:28:23):
I get those three confused. McNeice I believe is in Louisiana,
and then Murray State and Morehead State. Murray is in Kentucky,
I believe, and Morehead State is Tennessee or vice versa.
It's one of those two, right, But McNeice I believe

(01:28:44):
is where Will Wade was right when he had the
kid with the big jam box, wasn't that? Am I correct?

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
I forget his name?

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Yeah, he just transferred. By the way, did that kid
back to that kid had transferred I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Late Charles Louisiana Mciney State.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
And the jam box kid had gone, I believe with
Will Wade to North Carolina State and then is now
back at McNee State. But Will Wade was a guy
that was at LSU has had a ton of success
from a coaching standpoint. There were allegations of impropriety at
LSU that caused him to get terminated. He then went

(01:29:22):
to McNeice, kind of revamped himself and is now at
North Carolina State. Yesterday, and I'm paraphrasing. I mean, we
could play the audio for you, but I'll just paraphrase it. Yesterday,
Will Wade, after a North Carolina State game and a loss,
was asked about the performance of his team and was

(01:29:45):
speaking about his disappointment in the team, and in doing so,
he kind of made a snide comment along the lines
of and almost damning the fact that they had a
great grade point average and that they had a three

(01:30:06):
point zero grade point average on the team and he's like, great,
so what are we doing trying to raise kindergartners here
I'm paraphrasing, I'm trying to win basketball games. And while
I understand in the moment coaches frustration et cetera, when
you are within the umbrella and you are coaching for

(01:30:29):
an entity, that still, no matter how flippantly people digest
the term, when you are working and coaching underneath the
umbrella of the National Collegiate Athletic Association the NCAA. And
even though we now know with nil and quarterbacks getting

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three and a half million, and point guards you know,
probably getting close to that, and et cetera. Even though
we know this is in fact the G League for
all intent and purposes, this is semi pro basketball. We
all know that. But you are still underneath the umbrella,
at least for now, of the student athlete, the student athlete,

(01:31:16):
not the employee athlete, the student athlete. And yes, it
is now to the point where players are playing for
a university because that university gets them the most money.
And what Will Wade just did subconsciously was say the

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subconscious part consciously, and he said the quiet part out loud.
And everyone has known it, but this is where we
are now, and it's a whole new world of the wild,
wild West. I mean, I'm old enough to remember. I'm
old enough remember when there were question marks about having

(01:32:04):
gambling lines in the back of the newspaper, because why
did you have that when gambling was illegal everywhere? And
when it was you couldn't even whisper the possibility around
a college athlete, let alone a pro athlete about gambling
and whatever else can get them on record talking about
it or anything like that, because there just could be

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no marriage between the two. And I'm old enough to remember.
I'm not saying any of this is right. I'm not
saying any of it was the better way by any stretch.
But I remember when the thought of having teams professionally
in Las Vegas was unheard of, unheard of, and certainly

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you INLV when UNLV came here in the RCA Dome
in nineteen ninety one and they were beaten by Duke,
and the point shaving photo or the alleged point shaving
photo came out there shortly thereafter of their players in
a hot tub with a gambling fixer. It was a
FATA complea amongst people that there was going to be

(01:33:06):
some sort of a bringdown of UNLV because that's why
you shouldn't have teams and lost wages, because gambling and
sports have nothing, they should never be involved with one another.
And now, obviously we'd like to tell you more about
that on the fan Duel television app brought to you
by DraftKings in the BET three six y five halftime show.

(01:33:29):
And that's all cool. I mean, I get it. People
should in a free society and free country be allowed
to exercise and do the things as they choose, so
long it's within their personal responsibility. I get it. But
I'm simply saying along those same time frames was the
discussion of student athletes and we can't have a college

(01:33:53):
football playoff because it takes kids away from class for
too long in playing games consecutively. Yet we have the
CAAA Tournament, which wait for it, happens actually during semester,
when the college football playoff happens during the semester breaks.
But there was always this coded, you know, narrative that

(01:34:17):
college basketball players and college football players were going to
said schools for the education aspect of it, and they're
getting free tuition and free books, and they're getting tutors
and they're graduating. And yes, for the that is still
true at a high number of schools, and absolutely there

(01:34:38):
are thousands upon thousands of young players that thank goodness
for that because that's getting them the opportunity to better
their life via education without the financial restriction upon graduation
that a lot of players have or a lot of
people have, and it affords the opportunity for a lot

(01:35:00):
of people that would otherwise not be able to do
so to go to college and et cetera. And that's wonderful.
And maybe we're talking about like the top one percent
of athlete, but nonetheless, for a big time ACC coach
to sit down and basically say, look, I'm supposed to
be happy because my kids have good grades where they're
not playing good basketball, it's ridiculous. They're not here for

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good grades, they're here as basketball players. That's basically what
he said. And you know what, I don't even hate
him for it because he said the long time quiet
part really out loud with a megaphone, and then speaking
of the long time quiet part out loud without a megaphone.
That takes us to the colts because I believe I

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believe what you see as a head coach, that's just
over it, not in a personality way, just in a
time to move on way. Anthony Richardson suffer an injury
unfortunately for Anthony Richardson that he had nothing to do with.

(01:36:04):
I mean, yeah, he was the one using the rubber
band for his muscle stretch, but he that was a
horrible freak accident that left him with an orbital bone
fracture in his eye, which is an awful thing to
think about. And now that that bone has healed, and

(01:36:27):
now that he's been cleared to return, that raised a
question then of okay, does that mean he's going to
be out on the field, And then Shane Steichen said, well, yeah,
the eyes there, but there's also just the you know,
we got to ramp up the physical activity to get
him back into shape. And that's when Kevin Bowen said,

(01:36:49):
or no, Joeli Ericson, excuse me. Joel Ericson asked the
question of but wait a minute, you're saying that he
is not meeting the standard because of the in and
the time away on IR and he missed what four
or five weeks, So for that reason, you are saying
that he is not physically ready to be out on

(01:37:09):
the field yet. The standard is forty four year old,
slightly overweight guy that hasn't played in five years. So
you're telling me a guy that is within five years
removed of being a top five draft pick because of
his physical attributes is now in a position where he's

(01:37:31):
not able to live up to the standard of physical
player that five years removed from throwing a pass in
the NFL. I think Shane Steichen in this case, I'm
not going to say he needs media training. I like
the guy. I like him a lot, but I think

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that he understandably is trying to be respectful of saying
what he really wants to say. And we ran this
through the Elixir yesterday. But when he was asked about
Anthony Richardson today, listen to what Shane Stiken said in
terms of Richardson having the eyebone healed but not being
out for practice.

Speaker 7 (01:38:12):
Yeah, I think, like you get the clearance from the
bone structure, that was cleared obviously, but there was limitations
to manage it, I get him out on the practice
field and.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Go from there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Okay, limitations with the vision that's healing here is Anthony Richardson.
Shortly thereafter, when asked about clarification on what it was
that Shane Styken, had said, I feel normal.

Speaker 8 (01:38:38):
You know, I'm able to see, able to drive, walk around,
I bum in to anything. So that was not really
major limitations. You know, it's just a little different because
of the impact that happened to my eye. But you know,
most of its really the same. You know, I'm still
able to move around the same and do everything I
need to do, So that's not that bad.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Okay. Now, granted he did clarify with major limitations, implying that, yeah,
there is some limitation, but if you can do everything normally,
he can drive, you can do everything else. It sounded
like it is a hesitation of being worried about getting
hit in that area, and I totally understand that. But Eddie,
you tell me, does this sound like two people saying

(01:39:18):
the same thing but just saying it in different ways,
or is this one guy that is basically just trying
to essentially say, look, I don't want the guy to
play I'm looking for any reason to play anyone other
than him.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Can it be both? Can it be both things? Can
they both be saying the same thing, but the way
that Shane Steikeen says it makes it appear in the
way that you just said there. But at the same time,
Anthony Richardson is saying it in a different way that's

(01:39:54):
much lighthearted in the aspect thinking, Hey, yeah, I'm fine,
it's not that bad. As we talked about earlier. You know,
he is one monitor after the season of a team
that is in need of a quarterback that is kind
of in a rebuilding phase, and hey, let's give this
guy another opportunity. We know he's got all the traits.

(01:40:15):
Can he work in our system with a fresh start?

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
I mean that's so like. Could they both be right?
Could they both be saying the same thing just in
different tones?

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
I think so? I mean, I think I do think
Shane Steyken, though, is out on him. I just I'm
going to I'm going to stick by Eddie. The fact
of I feel like the it seems to me like
Shane Stiken is ready to has just come to the

(01:40:52):
conclusion that Anthony Richardson does not play another meaningful snap
in Indy now meaningful and if you're Anthony Richardson, you
want to make sure that no one. If you're Anthony Richardson,
it's in your best interest to say, look, I'm healthy
as as can be, because he probably has to know
that he's also still in play for other teams to

(01:41:15):
HP perhaps have an interest.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
In him because it looks, you know, based off depending
on where you look at, the Colts just have to
win two of these final three games, right, and if
they lose against you know, San Francisco on Monday night,
then is it Houston or Jacksonville? Likeause, I think it's Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
If you fall, it's San Francisco, Jacksonville, Houston.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Yeah, so if you follow the Jacksonville then you're eliminated.
So then you would just what go to Riley Leonard
for that final game, like, hey, let's see what he's
got full week of preparation as a starter. The only
other time he entered you know, meaningful snaps was because
you know, Daniel Jones exited early.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Now the I think the best thing that was said
out of Alexander, by the way, going to join us
just two or three minutes from right now, This Greg
Biffel situation. In terms of the situation with Anthony Richardson
and Shane Steikeen, this is such a fabulous point made

(01:42:11):
on the ex post Twitter from DJ Scott. Shane Steikeen
is the strict, serious dad who can only relate to
the straight a oldest child and doesn't have a clue
what to do with the wild, free spirit younger one.
And yes, I do think it's personal. That is a
perfect way putting it. Shane Steiken just connects to and

(01:42:31):
relates to Daniel Jones and Shane Steiken, I think is
just doesn't have the same relatability and just can't kind
of constantly he feels a frustration of the fact that

(01:42:53):
he's not been able to completely get through if that
makes sense to Anthony Richardson now in the Joba House
Peel and poor guest line Adam Alexander, of course, I
think everybody knows. Longtime brotherlike friend of mine and NASCAR
announcer NASCAR on the CW Prime Video as well, also

(01:43:14):
has worked in a number of different capacities for organizations
covering NASCAR and in that capacity working with alongside interviewing,
et cetera. Greg Biffle now I want to be very clear.
There are reports. Of course, what we know at this
point is this a plane that is owned by Greg

(01:43:34):
Biffle's Aviation corporation crashed in North Carolina this morning and
officials have said there were fatalities on board. While it
is not officially confirmed that that was Greg Biffle and
his family, there are those that are saying that that
is the case. But Adam, working with NASCAR, wanted to

(01:43:56):
get you on Adam, I appreciate it under what is
obviously a still old developing story and one that we
don't know confirmation on. But is there anything that I
did not mention there that in North Carolina you are
hearing that I did not cover. No, I think you
said it correctly.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
There are those that are you know, sending you know,
condolences to Greg's family, and while that would certainly be
what you want to do in these circumstances, there have
been no official reports. There was a press conference I
would say in the last ninety minutes a couple of
hours something like that that walked through the details of

(01:44:33):
you know, the planes took off from Statesville, it returned,
you know, obviously there was some sort of an issue
and then and then the plane crash occurred when they
were returning to the airport, and you said there were fatalities,
but those names have not been officially released.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Did they mention in it, Adam, And if you didn't hear,
you know, that's but to your recollection or understanding, did
they mention the possibility that there would have been any
survivors of said craft?

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
They did not mention that. The number, the last number
that I heard and read in the reports were that
there were five fatalities, and so, you know, and I
don't know how much you know, they covered that side
of it in the you know, the press conference, but

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of course you know, anytime you know, plane takes off,
there's a list of passengers in the manifold, and I
don't know how that differentiates on those local on those
private aircrafts in comparison to commercial aircraft. But I know
that they have checks and balances that they go through
as well, and so I'm sure there's a record of

(01:45:43):
you know, how many people were on board and all
of that, but I don't know how much of that
has been released, and I'm not aware of all those
exact details.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Have you worked, Adam with Greg Biffel directly I have.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
You know, I worked at the first rate I ever
did with MRN Radio in the fall of two thousand.
That night, Gregg clinched his first Truck Series championship and
that was kind of the beginning of him becoming one
of NASCAR's great stars. And you know, the last time
that I've visited with Greg was about a year ago

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at NASCAR's awards ceremony wrapping up the twenty twenty four season,
and Greg was recognized with the Myers Brothers Award, which
is given to someone who is a great contributor to
their community from the NASCAR world, and it was given
to Greg because Greg, you know, who has always been

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noted for his you know, aviation side of things. You know,
utilized his helicopter pilot's license to deliver food and goods
and help those that were negatively impacted by Hurricane Halleen.
And he didn't just jump in and help, he really
led the movement. And so it was that night that
you know, Greg was recognized for, you know, his heroic

(01:47:02):
acts and his selfless acts through a very difficult time
in the North Carolina Tennessee region. And that's probably the
last time that Greg and I spent time together, but
obviously I was around and followed his career when he
was on track winning a truck title in c Sinity Championship,
and then you know the years that he was competing
at NASCAR's top level and winning races.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
Yeah, and obviously you know one of those guys that
Adam Greg Miville as a driver was one that and
he did not win a Cup championship, right, But that's
not to say that there weren't years that he was
in contention and at heading down the home stretch of
the seasons, right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:39):
Right, Yeah, I think he had nineteen Cup victories, never
won a championship at the top level, but knocked on
the door, was in the hunt, certainly in the prime
of his career, was considered one of the best drivers
in NASCAR, was named, you know, one of the top
seventy five drivers, has been a finalist for the Hall
of Fame, and so yeah, very well respected in someone
that has noted is one of the best to ever

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do it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
Adam, to your knowledge, did Greg Biffle. This is inconsequential,
I realized I'm not, but I'm just strictly out of curiosity.
I know that he had a vast aviation background and
interest as you mentioned, and was well noted for his
heroic efforts and helping out folks using his helicopters after
that hurricane. Was he himself an airline pilot or an

(01:48:23):
aircraft pilot?

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
I don't know that. I you know, I'm not positive
on that side. I was reminded last year when he
got so involved and taking his helicopter around and helping
everyone after Hurricane Aleen. I was reminded, you know, about
his fondness for aviation, and you know how much time
you know he spent on that side. But I don't know,

(01:48:47):
you know where he fit into that as far as
all the license and he had when when it comes
to the various aircrafts.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
So Greg Biffle again, it's safe to say, Adam, and
I'm gonna say it in current state because we don't
have any confirmation here, but Greg Biffle talented race car driver,
personable guy from what I could know of him, pretty
humble dude, right and just overall you know, a people first,

(01:49:16):
humanitarian guy. Safe to say no doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
I mean, you know he was a true competitor and
you can you know, you can go to YouTube and
you can find clips to find out what a true
competitor he was, but always handled his success with tremendous
humility and grace. And as he had retired, even though
he was no longer someone that you saw at the

(01:49:40):
track week to week and the younger fans probably didn't
realize what he had meant to the sport at one time,
he continued to use the platform that he had created
as a very successful race car driver to give and
to help out others. So there's no no question he's
a tremendous guy and and you know one that was

(01:50:01):
always ready to give it back and help in any
way possible.

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
Well, Adam, I appreciate you coming on in, you know
literally like spontaneous moment when I reached out to you
about this. We'll hope for the best on the story
itself and wait for confirmation as to what happened. The
reality is whether or not it was Greg Biffel. You know,
there was a loss of life and you never want
to see that in any situation or story, and certainly

(01:50:27):
thoughts with those that were impacted by it. Adam short notice,
I realize appreciate it. Happy Holidays by all means, and
Merry Christmas to your dad, the rest of your family
and everybody down there.

Speaker 6 (01:50:38):
Thank thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
Jake Adam Alexander joining me on the Java House Peel
and Poor Guest line. All right, we'll take a break.
The helium factor started to kick in there a little bit,
and we'll reset the helium tank and then Matt Taylor,
the Voice of the Colts, will join us and we'll
do so on the other side. Yes, okay, so let's
find out what's going on out at West fifty sixth.
Matt Taylor is is the voice of the Indianapolis Colts.

(01:51:03):
Joins us now on the Java House, Peel and Poor
Guest line. Courtesy of Shelby Materials. Matt, let's get right
to this. Bernard Ryman, Sauce Gardner. Those guys are not
on the practice field today, but everything's kind of staggered
today because it's a Monday night game. Is there still
possibility that those guys could get out before we get
to the game with San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
Yeah, So think of it like today is a Thursday,
but in NFL terms, when you're playing on Monday, it's
kind of like a Wednesday. It's like the first day
of practice and guys getting on the field again following
the last week's game against Seattle. So it's not all
that uncommon for a guy, you know, to sit on

(01:51:44):
Wednesday and then come back to practice on a normal
Thursday or Friday, in this case, Friday Saturday leading into
Monday night football. So you know, I don't think that
the bells and whistles and alarms are going off just yet,
but we'll see. We'll have more of a better indication
tomorrow and those status because tomorrow, even though it's Friday,
it's like a Thursday practice.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
And we at this point it appears clear Shane Sdeykeen,
And you tell me if I'm paraphrasing or Shane Steykeen
said it out right. Philip Rivers is starting Monday night,
right he is?

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
Yep, And I get the indication that Philip is probably
going to be their guy the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Matt, the question I have there is this Seattle I
thought personally, and listen, you know you're up there with
a bird's eye view of it all, So feel free
to either fill in holes here or flat out tell
me no, that's not really how it worked, but it
seemed to me in that game against Seattle, did Seattle
spent say the first quarter to quarter and a half

(01:52:46):
kind of feeling out exactly what the Colts offense was
going to be under Philip Rivers, and then they adjusted
what they needed to do to constantly spy on Jonathan
Taylor and then just kind of keep Philip Rivers in
check because they knew that he was limited in terms
of the long field velocity. And my concern would be

(01:53:06):
that San Francisco now has that blueprint and pushes all
in on that. Is that fair?

Speaker 4 (01:53:12):
Yeah, I mean what you saw throughout the course of
that game was, I mean, Seattle's got a really good
defensive line anyway, so they were still getting pressure and
still kind of impacting the game with they're front four.
But what you saw them do throughout the course of
that game or kind of adjust to was they're not
going to blitz Philip Rivers.

Speaker 6 (01:53:30):
They're going to get after.

Speaker 4 (01:53:31):
Him with his front with their front four, but they're
going to play really tight on the outside and make
those throwing windows, you know, in the angles, pretty pretty
sharp and hard to fit the football into. So that's
kind of what happened is, you know, they would they
were kind of foolish and and blitzing him early in
the game, and then he would throw it to where

(01:53:51):
the blitz was coming from. And that's how the Colts
were getting some first downs and staying on schedule. And
you know, that's the thing about you know that that
game plan this week is you know, I know it
wasn't aesthetically awesome to watch, but it almost worked considering
how well the defense played.

Speaker 6 (01:54:10):
And you go back and you.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
Kind of look at the box score or like the
game notes, like the game book, if you will. I mean,
the Colts said they had nine persons in that game
prior to the last possession where they turn it over,
and they only had the one play on the interception,
but take that one out. They had nine drives for
the game and they reached plus territory in six of them.

(01:54:33):
And so that's how I think, you know the forty
nine ers are going to play going forward, is you know,
they're not going to probably send a lot of pressure
on Philip Rivers, but they're going to play pretty tight
on the outside and make it tough, you know, based
on his skill set and his age at forty four
and not being really mobile. They're going to be, you know,
they're going to I think, be pretty concentrated on shutting

(01:54:56):
down the free releases on the outside from guy like
Pierce and Pittman and take away the deep ball and
again make those throwing angles pretty sharp for him to
fit the ball into at a line of scrimmage.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
I was intrigued by and a little bit impressed by
Matt the use of a mir Abdullah out of the
backfield and just kind of the incorporation of that wrinkle. Yeah,
is that because here's a guy that finally they found
maybe some looks that they liked or was it more
so Philip Rivers has always had that kind of an
out of the backfield kind of guy, and it fit

(01:55:29):
with what they wanted to do and was a comfort
zone for Rivers, and therefore Abdullah was able to answer
that bell. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:55:36):
I mean Darren Sproles, Niam Hines when he was here
with Philip Rivers in twenty twenty, I mean, he loves
throwing the backs out of the backfield and he knows
exactly where those guys are going to be. And if
you play with Philip Rivers as a running back, you
got to be where you're supposed to be, because he
knows where you're supposed to be, probably better than you do,
and so you know, that's always a safety valve for him,

(01:55:57):
especially with you know how the Seahawk were playing that game.
Get the ball out quick, get it out on time,
and let guys with better athleticism than Philip Rivers go
out there and make plays and get yards after the catch.
I mean that jerk router that that's sort of like
you know, hard angle route that that they ran with
some mere Abdullah was really productive. They probably ran it

(01:56:18):
three or four times and they hit it h for
some big yards. And so that's what I think you're
gonna see a lot of you know, check down to
the tailor checkdowns over the middle to Abdullah. I love
what they did on that quick screen on the first
completion of the game. Uh, that wide receiver screen Pittman.
I mean, these are all kind of like extensions of
the running game where you know, if you hit them,

(01:56:40):
that's that's good. And you know if they go for
if they break for you know, big yards after the catch,
your yards after contact, that's that's great. You take those,
but those are those are you know, implemented to keep
you on the field and set you up on you know,
third and three, third and four.

Speaker 5 (01:56:57):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:56:57):
I mean, obviously it goes without saying. Third long for
Philip Rivers is not a recipe for success, especially when
you're you know, kind of stacked up in your own territory,
which they were a couple of times at the.

Speaker 6 (01:57:07):
Beginning of that game.

Speaker 4 (01:57:09):
But you know, inevitably, they're going to have to be
a little bit more you know, for whatever, for lack
of a better term, they're gonna have to be more open.
They're gonna have to be they're gonna have to open
the playbook and be a little bit more aggressive in
their game plan. I mean, I think, you know, it
sounds cliche, but there's always a way to win every game.
And the way they approach that game in Seattle on

(01:57:31):
the road against that defense with the crowd, I thought
was the appropriate way to try to win that game.
And again, the defense allowed you to stay in that game.
But inevitably, you know, you're just shoot two hundred and
fifteen yards of offense and just a hair over sixty
of that comes in the second half and only four
first downs past halftime. That's just not a winning formula.

(01:57:51):
Everybody knows that. So we're going to see if Phil
Philip Rivers can implement more of the you know, the
intermediate part of the passing game and get guys like
Peterson Pittman a little bit more involved.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
By the way, Eddie. So we haven't gotten totally into
helium tank category. But but it sounds like Matt's taking
a couple of hits off the balloon of it, right,
isn't that right? Okay, Matt, we working through some of
the kings here with the move. Occasionally it will kind
of speed up somebody's voice. So at the end and
you're you're you're a team player in this. We've gotten now,
let's see, we've got Joela Ericson, We've got Don Fisher,

(01:58:24):
now not Don Fisher, Stephanie White, Joela Ericson, Ralph Reef.
We've had a couple of really good follow the yellowpic
roads and we're gonna get one from you on the
way out and then kind of judge you versus others
to see how good a member you are of the
Lollipop Guild.

Speaker 10 (01:58:38):
Okay, I said, like Alvin and the Chipmunks, Yeah, a
little bit like Theodore, a little.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Bit Can you tell me that you want a hula hoop?
Can I just get you saying he'd like a hula
hoop for Christmas? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:58:52):
Chriss, Chris, come on now, I can.

Speaker 6 (01:58:57):
Jive with you, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
The laugh is strong as well. But while we have
you before we go full helium here, what do we
know about San Francisco and just maybe what Shane Stikeen
has said in terms of the challenge they create or
the areas that the Colts can exploit?

Speaker 4 (01:59:15):
Yeah, I mean defensively, you know, I think there's some
remnants of the Gus Bradley approach and his methodology on defense.
I mean, you kind of look at them on the
big picture on that side of the ball. I mean,
first of all, they've just been ransacked with injury with
Nick Bosa out, and then you've got the injury to

(01:59:35):
Fred Warner. They're all Pro linebacker. Those guys are out
for this season, and it's not really I mean, unless
you live in the Bay Area and you're a die
hard forty nine Ers fan, there's not a lot of
household names left on that side of the football. But collectively,
you know, they're kind of middle of the pack defensively,
you know, right in line with the Gus Bradley era

(01:59:56):
here with the Colts. They give up a high completion percentage,
right around sixty eight percent. So you know, they don't
do a lot of things great they don't do They're
not deficient in a ton of areas. But the one
area that they really just don't get a whole lot
of production from is their pass rush. They only have
sixteen sacks as a team through the first fourteen games

(02:00:18):
of the season. I think they only have three guys
on the roster right now that have more than three
sacks on the year. And then again, I think it
probably goes without saying. On offense, the trio of Rock
Perdy and Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle, I mean, those
guys kind of drive the ship on that side of

(02:00:39):
the ball. You know, wide receivers are involved, but not greatly.
It's more so the Kittle and McCaffrey show.

Speaker 6 (02:00:47):
And then just kind of a little bit of a sidebar.

Speaker 4 (02:00:48):
It's gonna be fun with Jonathan Taylor and Christian McCaffrey
on the same game field for the first time in
their careers, right, It's gonna be the first time they
actually play quote unquote against each other, even though you
know both guys are on an offense. You get what
I'm saying. But these guys are both top three in
scrimmage yards this year. They're each of them are over

(02:01:10):
two and fifty carries on the season, so heavy workload
for their respective running backs in this game. And then
with McCaffrey, as we know too, he's one of the
best pass catching backs out of the backfield since he
broke in the league in twenty seventeen. So you got
to know where McCaffrey is, number twenty three, and then
keep an eye out for George Kittle because those two

(02:01:31):
guys are basically the stars of their show on offense.

Speaker 1 (02:01:34):
Okay, Matt on the way out, and I'll give you
your pick here. You can give me a line from Alvin.
You can give me a we represent the Lollipop Guild,
or you can give me a follow of the Yellow
Brick Road. Which one would you like?

Speaker 4 (02:01:47):
Well, you said the other guys went went with with
the Wizard of Oz, So give me Alvin, give me
give me an alvinism.

Speaker 1 (02:01:55):
I guess you would just say that you want a
hula hoop for Christmas?

Speaker 6 (02:01:57):
Right, Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:01:59):
I mean, yeah, how about this you simply say, uh,
I just want too but you got there, you go
and just in your normal voice. You don't need to
albanize it. The ur elixer does it for you.

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
I'm just gonna piss off Dave Seville real quick and
get everybody riled up here so me I want all.

Speaker 1 (02:02:26):
Right, Matt enjoy of course, you know we got a
Monday show to do as well, and then Monday Night football.
It will be the Indiana Night's version of the Colts
uniforms and the San Francisco forty nine ers. Appreciate it, Matt,
all right.

Speaker 4 (02:02:41):
That was not on my bucket list today or my
beingo gitars.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
I don't even.

Speaker 6 (02:02:47):
A day in the life in this show.

Speaker 4 (02:02:48):
Man.

Speaker 6 (02:02:48):
Holy smoke.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
Thanks Eddie, Eddie, is I think on the floor now, Eddie,
Eddy know what's going on? Eddie higher Eddie. Eddie has
been working doing the Christmas Light Show and he's this
is a new experience for him. Eddie was do you
not have do you have the ralph free from yesterday?

Speaker 4 (02:03:15):
Is?

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
I don't hockey anywhere because we could compare. Now we're
accumulating the best of and Eddie, by the way, before
we get to the crossover with JMV next, brought to
you by the good guys that Love Heating and Air.
I have a little bit of a contention, a little
bit of a bone to pick with Eddie Garrison. Well,
i'll explain it next. What you know, what's interesting, This

(02:03:36):
is actually three guys we just got singing live right
now on the phone line right.

Speaker 2 (02:03:43):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
Let me ask you this, Eddie. I'm not saying that
I have a bone to pick with you. By the way,
those that are listening on the app, I am told
that if you push play a second time that it
will reset itself and take care of the issues of
the streaming on the app if you hit play a

(02:04:05):
second time. And the good news is you might be
hearing me say that, like nine times, there's been no
mention by Eddie Garrison. Let me explain and give a
little bit of a background here before we get to
the crossover with JMV. Brought to you by Love Heating
and Air and lovedash HVAC dot Com. On my way

(02:04:28):
in today, I already had three missed calls from Eddie
from this morning. I thought he he didn't leave a
voicemail and he didn't text me, it must not be urgent.
Then he called and I answered, and you asked me
to stop and pick you up something on the way in,
which was not a big deal, right right, I'm going

(02:04:49):
to guess like seventy nine cents is what I paid.
You needed some cough drops, although I haven't heard you coughs,
so you must be doing okay.

Speaker 2 (02:04:57):
I've been doing fine ya.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
But I I faced the cough drops on top of
a gift that was left, and you now are in
the same category as one Joel A. Erickson. And yet
there was no mention of it, no recognition of it,
and I thought maybe you didn't get it. And then
I walked past your cubicle and lo and behold, I

(02:05:19):
see the gift sitting right there were acknowledging and representing that. Yes,
in fact, you saw claimed and picked up said gift,
what's on my desk and took it to your work area.

Speaker 2 (02:05:29):
What's on my desk?

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
The fairy paid you a visit.

Speaker 2 (02:05:32):
I didn't know that they were on it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
Yes, sir, the beer faery that stopped by mister Erickson's
house actually asked me when asking and confirming for Joel
Erickson's address if there was anybody else. Beer Fairy had
a surplus shipment, and I said, you know what, Eddie

(02:05:55):
Garrison could use a drop off from the beer ferry.
After I ran into the conson bureau of the beer
Faery and yet no mention of it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
Well, Jake, if it was dropped off in the studio
per guidelines, it was not supposed to be in here,
so there's a chance that somebody moved it from the
studio to my desk and I have not been to
my desk.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
It is unopened.

Speaker 2 (02:06:22):
Well are they bottled or are they canned?

Speaker 1 (02:06:24):
Bottled?

Speaker 2 (02:06:24):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:06:26):
Unopened?

Speaker 3 (02:06:27):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
JMV is out on remote?

Speaker 4 (02:06:29):
Do we have?

Speaker 8 (02:06:30):
John?

Speaker 1 (02:06:31):
John joins us as he is out and about jamb
we find you where today?

Speaker 6 (02:06:37):
Do I sound good right now? Jake? Give me the
evaluation of my voice? Yeah? I sound good?

Speaker 4 (02:06:42):
You do?

Speaker 5 (02:06:43):
You do?

Speaker 6 (02:06:44):
Okay?

Speaker 10 (02:06:44):
Because it doesn't matter how you guys sound to me,
because it is not becoming. But as long as I
sound good to you guys, that's all that matters. Right,
And that's that matters.

Speaker 6 (02:06:53):
You sound like.

Speaker 4 (02:06:56):
Me.

Speaker 10 (02:06:56):
Let me go ahead and do it. Check baby, check baby,
one two three. I'm gon to do my rump shaker
for you right here to make sure we're all.

Speaker 6 (02:07:02):
Good to go. Do I sound good? Chess baby check
baby one, two three will be allowed good.

Speaker 1 (02:07:06):
Zoom zoom zoom.

Speaker 10 (02:07:07):
Right, I'm gonna that's a Rumpshaker Coaches Tavern, Downtown, Leslie
Bourbon Locks, lendizilte Key the shots, Jake.

Speaker 6 (02:07:15):
We are doing week sixteen.

Speaker 10 (02:07:18):
And I love what you brought up regarding Richardson Senior
and Shane Stike and not being on the page whatsoever.
If there's nothing more appropriate of the Colts over the years,
it's that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
I do today because John, and I'm the first to admit,
I don't know. Do you think that I'm that I'm
reading that correctly.

Speaker 10 (02:07:40):
I think that they I think that they want to
squash any any thought that he is going to participate
anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (02:07:46):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (02:07:47):
I think that he wants to make sure that everybody
thinks he's not a big wooz.

Speaker 1 (02:07:52):
Yes, I would agree with that.

Speaker 6 (02:07:54):
That's what That's it. I mean, I mean to put
it bluntly, that's what I think.

Speaker 10 (02:07:58):
And in the process, you know, completely mishandled stuff per usual,
which really that's the only consistence thing this organization has
done for a while is mishandled nearly everything.

Speaker 6 (02:08:08):
It's pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (02:08:09):
There is very little question about that. Pacers next tonight
Coaches is the perfect spot to see John and of
course enjoyed the program before you head over for the
game tonight at Gambridge Field House and again seven thirty
till nine thirty tonight. I'll be at night Owl's in
Beach Grove as part of our event with Mick Ultra.
Would love to see you there as well, so you
can go see John. Then come down to Beach Grove watch.

(02:08:31):
The Game's gonna be awesome and J ANDV will get
things underway and kicked off for you coming up next
from Coaches. Coaches is like a home away from home.
John love it.

Speaker 6 (02:08:41):
Yeah, thank you, brother, I love it. Tommy S and
I and Brent.

Speaker 10 (02:08:44):
We're gonna fire things up and yeah, lead everybody down
to this Pacer game later on tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:08:49):
All right, so we will do that. We will send
it out to John shortly for that and he will
carry you home Pacers nixt tonight. We will talk about
it tomorrow and we will do so promptly at noon.
My thanks again to Adam Alexander. In a tough situation
in the developing story with Greg Biffle. Also to David
Woods for joining me on the program today, Tony East,
Matt Taylor as well. Back with you at noon tomorrow.

(02:09:10):
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