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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, I'm going to be honest with you. It
was supposed to be yesterday and it was pretty rough
you know. The I thought it was going to be
even hotter than it was, but it's pretty rough out.
We have one more day and then tomorrow polar vortex, right,
Is that how this works?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Polar vortex?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
It is like seventy tomorrow, right, forty five degree difference
because it's going to be one hundred and fifteen degrees today.
That much we know it's going to be a major
difference apparently. Also, and the reason I mentioned that is
because and it probably was pretty good timing and off
day for the Colts in terms of camp. So no

(00:42):
camp activity today, so we have no updates in terms
of the health status. Probably a good thing because at
the end of the day yesterday is when you started
to see for the first time some players get a
little bit dinged up, Juju Brents, obviously, Jalen Jones, who
we had mentioned, Michael Pittman Jr. I don't know other

(01:03):
than Jalen Jones, how severe some of those may be.
And I'm not saying Jalen Jones is severe, but as
Stephen Holder told us yesterday, when we had him on
the program. Whenever you have a guy that is running,
you know, totally isolated and just reaches for the back
of his leg and then goes down, you know right there,
it's a hamstring of some sort or an issue with

(01:23):
the hamstring. So we'll see what the latest is on that.
But an off day today for the Colts. More on
the Colts and one of the storylines about them in
just a minute. Here, I'll tell you one thing that
fascinates me, fascinates me having nothing to do with sports,
But real quick, I will mention, I will admit to

(01:44):
the fact that, like I was kind of glued to
this last night, and maybe I'm the only one. I'd
like to know if I'm the only one that was
fascinated by the following. But as you know, Eddie, I
went back. I guess it would have been two years ago. Yeah,
to complete my college degree, right, and so in that
I had to basically just pick up a bunch of electives,

(02:06):
so I didn't the courses that I had taken within
my major I had mostly accomplished, but it was just
all of those auxiliary, you know, random courses one hundred,
two hundred level courses that I had to get to
complete the degree. Yeah, the prerequisites, the prerequisites, yes, I
did them as post requisites. The class that I genuinely enjoyed.

(02:30):
I mean I really enjoyed it, and I found it interesting.
And I've got to be the only one, but I
had to take basically an entry level geology course and
just the study of plate tectonics and the earth and
rocks and all of that. I found it absolutely fascinating.
I loved it, and I wouldn't have when I was twenty,

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but now you know, it was a fun hobby to
have to read all about it and take quizzes on
it and whatever else. But obviously last night, so as
a result of that, the the action of tsunamis after
an earthquake fascinate me. And the West Coast, I think,
and my understanding is Hawaii kind of dodged one here.

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I've got a really good buddy who I met during
the Pro Bowl when the Colts, the famous Peyton Manning
liquored up kicker Pro Bowl, that particular Pro Bowl. I
actually was covering that Pro Bowl, credentialed to cover it
in Honolulu. Rough gig I realized for Channel six and
perfect timing too, because that whole storyline of Manning kind

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of blew up. And so I go out there, and
instead of paying for two of us to go out,
which totally understandably, WRTV Channel six got me a freelance
photographer from the Honolulu affiliate. And that guy and I
we worked together for one day, but he was my
age and we have been friends ever since. And I
was talking to him last night, probably at one point

(03:58):
thirty in the morning hour time, and they were bracing
for it, the tsunami that was coming in. And my
understanding is that Hawaii dodged what they thought was going
to be even worse. But I'm curious, Eddie. You tell me,
does that make me like an uber dork? That that
stuff fascinates me? And then I was glued to it?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
No, because that is me. I think we see. We
share a lot of similarities of intrigues, s Jake, I
just don't often express them like you did.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
This is one of the more disturbing things I've discovered
in my life. So we have things in common.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
We enjoy serially serial killers and oh yeah, okay, I
just don't like to go to grave sites to find
damous people's where they're buried.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know I do. I have a fascination with cerial killers.
I'm not gonna lie about that. And I've been known
in my time to kill cereal because I love eating
and I eat it out of a big moose cup real.
People think that's weird I eat. I never eat cereal
for breakfast, but I eat it throughout the course of
the day. But I always eat it out of one
of the big thirty two ounce plastic cups. I think
it's easier than eating it out of a bowl.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Now, what's cereally of choice? Boy?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
That's a great question. And I go in a lot
of different waves on this. Sometimes I just go through
a Raisin brand fase, sometimes Lucky Charms. I like the
cap'n Crunch, but I don't like the film left on
the mouth. I can go with some Applejacks. Fruity Pebbles
is one that has always been a staple, and then
I got older and realized that there's not a single
thing that's healthy about it, and so that's kind of
been phased out. I like the what's the one like

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honey honey nut, not honey nut Cheerio's, but any honey
there's one that used to be a cluster like Oh's
something Oh's and it was like little rings that had
all kinds of like honey nut coconut stuff on it
or something. I was into those. I like it all. Really,
I'm a serial guy. But good afternoon to you. My
name is Jake Quarry. That is the voice of Eddie Garrison.
It is Quary and Company here on ninety three five

(05:43):
one oh seven five. The fan Eddie is back from yesterday.
You went to the Reds game? Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I had to do some errands. I had run some
errand yesterday as well during the show. So how was
the in terms of Great America Ballpark? What was They
played the Dodgers?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Right, it did?

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (05:57):
What was the Dodger representation at said game? I think
it was fifty to fifty really? Yeah, I mean I
would have guessed thirty percent Dodger fans, but that seems
a little high.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
There's a lot of blue, a lot of blue. I'm
sure there's gonna be a ton more today because showy
Atani's on the mound.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Really yep? Okay, then yes, that is absolutely Skeens and
Otani are two of them that you would pay to
go see pitch, right.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. I saw Paul Skeens when
he was here with the Indians. Oh yeah, for a
brief period he was here. You know, it's interesting when
you buy tickets, you know, that's one thing that you
just never know is who's going to be in rotation
when you buy them in advance. I mean, forever, one
of my goals in my you know, when I was
of the age when the guy was pitching, I always

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wanted to see Nolan Ryan pitch. And like the two
times that he that I was going to a game
for the team that he was playing, he was I
think once he was a day or two away from rotation,
and then once.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
He he they pulled him. He did not start, and
I'm like, but that would have been pretty awesome. So
the Colts have the day off today, and I got
to thinking about this last night, three twenty eight in
the morning during a brain dropping I'm sitting there laying
and I'm thank you, and I'm figuring out, you know,
planning out my day as I always do, and I'm

(07:18):
thinking about the fact that Dave Revson's going to join
us coming up today and we'll preview a Little Big
ten Football. I'm thinking about the fact that Joel Erickson's
going to join us to talk a little Colts. Debbie Antonelli,
who is a favorite on the program, is going to
join us in the two o'clock hour today. And I'm
also paying attention to the tsunami thing, and you know,
I'm interested by that and hoping the best for my
buddy Rob out in Hawaii and others, and of course

(07:41):
the West Coast in general. But over all of that,
I got to thinking about something and then today our
friend Chiefs fan Steve sent me a text, and I thought,
great minds think alike. I mean, you know, look, Steve
and I went to an Indians game together and the
Indians first baseman name was Beer, and so we that
we had to cheer for that guy, you know, really

(08:01):
hard the entire game. And in addition to that, Steve's
you know, he's got Milton, the Great Rescue Dog, and
so he's a lover of rescue animals, and I'm with us.
So Steve and I are spirit animals in many regards
except for the fact he's a Chiefs fan. But he
asked me this question today and I thought, that's exactly
what I was thinking about last night. And admittedly this

(08:24):
is maybe looking a gift horse in the mouth. Maybe
this is being too nitpicky. Maybe it's grasping for a
storyline on an off day. I don't know. And I
keep going back to it, though, and that is to
put it in Steve's terms. He said, let me get

(08:46):
this straight. The Colts draft did Anthony Richardson fourth overall
in the NFL Draft as their franchise quarterback, and they're
still trying to teach him how to play. And I thought, yeah,
that's that's a direct way of saying it. You know,
when you when you run into somebody that you haven't

(09:08):
seen in a while, you can either say, you know,
you need to tell them that they've gained a little weight,
and then you get the one person that just comes
up and goes, wow, you got fat. It's like, well, okay,
that's that's pretty direct. It feels like that's what you know.
Steve was pretty direct in it. And I can understand
and appreciate that Anthony Richardson yesterday apparently had a very

(09:32):
good day, and there is seemingly a lot of optimism
about the fact that Anthony Richardson is figuring out the
layups he's hitting, and he's finding accuracy in the intermediary range,
the eight to twelve yard pass, the quick pass across
the middle to Tyler Warren, et cetera. But at the

(09:55):
same time, while that's you're optimistic about that and you're
excited about it, at what point in a player's career
are they who they are? And at what point does
it become a danger and falling in love with the
what may be as opposed to being aware of what

(10:18):
has been and what it is. And I know that
Richardson and Zach Keifer, our friend who writes for The
Athletic Now, had an interesting article where, you know, Richardson
basically said like, I've got to and I'm paraphrasing, you know,
I've got to go all in now. I realize that,
you know, especially I think after the tap out he
got it. The light went off where he's like, Okay,
I've got a Now I know what it takes. But

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when you draft a guy as your franchise quarterback, should
you not have especially if you're Chris Ballard and you
were in a situation where yes, I get it. Andrew
Luck retired, you know twenty six years ago. I get
it right. But with that, should you not at some
point say I've got to go with the guy. It's
it's a little bit surprising that not only did the

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Colts give him that sort of a leash, but also
that he would opt for that leash. But then I
think about it, and I'm like, if I'm Ballard and
i know that my job security is going to rest
on the quarterback that I'm going to draft when I
finally am doing a I'm selecting my franchise quarterback. If
my owner is on board with me taking a guy

(11:28):
with high ceiling but still untapped potential, I'm going with
that guy because it gives me that much longer. It
gives me that much more rope of Hey, listen, no,
I just I need more time. If you could on
the project here, I need I need more time on
the group project. You know, when you when you're in
college and you've got to do a big project assignment,

(11:48):
if you have a professor that keeps extending you by
another six weeks, you're going to take it every time. Okay, sure,
I'll do it. Take me that much longer to get
the project done. It is a look and I know
what I'm saying here is an epiphany that has been
like a three year conversation. I get it, But at
what point do we stop getting excited about every single

(12:13):
flash of potential and just say, how do you determine
when the point is where you say, Okay, I understand
that there are the flashes, but we're not seeing it.
That is not the guy. That is hints of the guy,
but that's not the guy. And is do we believe

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that this camp is it? Or does he get another
year and then another year? Because when he goes through
those drills, those seven on sevens or you know, eleven
on eleven's and he completes a pass, we convince ourselves
that that means this is it. And then you're like, eh,
I don't know if it is it though, because it's

(12:59):
totally different when you're there at Lucas Oil Stadium and
there's seventy thousand people and a defense is flying and
all hell's breaking loose, and then it's eight yards over
the head, and the problem, I think for Richardson the
challenge for I have nothing against Anthony Richardson, as I mean,
obviously I don't know the guy all occasion or account

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that I have, and being around him seems like a
nice young guy. I have nothing against him personally, and
I'm not all out on him. I understand the intrigue
of what he can be. But the one thing, Eddie
that alarms is the wrong word, but the one thing
that I just think we're overlooking. You can teach Anthony

(13:48):
Richardson or any quarterback footwork, you can teach Anthony Richardson,
or any quarterback technique. You can teach Anthony Richardson, or
any quarterback timing, you can teach Anthony Richardson or any
quarterback looking over defensive schemes. The one thing that I
don't think you can teach that I don't think Anthony

(14:09):
Richardson has ever mastered, is the mental fortitude of when
you throw an interception or when you throw an incomplete pass,
being the ted Lasso goldfish and letting it go and
going right back out. Because there are plays for me
when I watch Anthony Richardson where when he does overthrow,

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or it's fourth and four and there's an incomplete pass
or a missed assignment in terms of a missed route
by a receiver, or Richardson thinks it's going the other
way or whatever it may be. You can see his
shoulders slink and he comes to the sidelines and you think,
to yourself, here we go. This is going to be
one of those days where it's going to be seven
for twenty nine because it just seems like mentally the

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that is a and that doesn't make him unique nor
a bad player. But Eddie, does that make sense what
I'm saying And the fact that I worry about whether
or not we are not too far gone on trying
to make something here that we have enough evidence now
to know that you just can't make a concrete house
out of paper mache. He's not paper mache. But you

(15:17):
get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
O get what you're saying. I also think it's really
really hard. And I'm not sure who said this because
there's just been so many people that were, you know,
anti Anthony Richardson and pro Anthony Richardson when he was
coming into the league entering the draft.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Is that the.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
NFL is not a developmental league like you don't see
many quarterbacks come out of college with the limited reps
that he did and somehow turn into a franchise quarterback
like you have to prove it at some level, whether
that's in high school, that you have the ability to
do it, or prove it, you know, at least one
season in college, like Joe Burrow did. But Joe Burrow

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was also in college for four years, like he was
there and he got to experience a lot of different things.
And Anthony Richards and nothing either an Joe Burravitt.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Also was in college in a situation where he had
to wait his turn and continue to battle for a
throne before he got there.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yes, in college, and I think, possibly Jake that what
really really set Anthony richardson back, it hurt him was
the fact that they gave him the keys to the offense.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
They they I think the thing Bob Kravitt said this, Eddie,
and it's you make an excellent point there, and Bob
Kravitt said this, which I think is the best point
of all. And Kravitt said, I think it's interesting, and
I'm paraphrasing Bob Kravitz, but he said this at the
start of camp. Bob Kravitt said, I think it's interesting
that the colts are asking for patients with Anthony Richards

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and considering they had no patience in handing him the
franchise as soon as he got out off the plane.
And I think there's a lot of truth to that.
Like the Pivot or the one eighty on the a
pro coach of Anthony Richardson is pretty fascinating. And again
I listen, I'm not rooting against Anthony Richardson. I commend
the Colts for going out and creating competition by getting

(17:14):
Daniel Jones to come in. I, as I mentioned yesterday,
appreciate and can respect the fact that Daniel Jones does
play a similar style as Anthony Richardson. So therefore, when
you are making the driver change in the middle of
the endurance race, you don't have to make a lot
of changes to the setup of the car. That's good.

(17:34):
I can see the I would say low risk potential,
high reward of Daniel Jones. Low risk is easy for
me to say when I'm not the one giving him
thirteen million dollars. But for a one year deal, you know, look,
you take a flyer on the guy, you use him

(17:54):
to kind of push Richardson. And then, as I keep saying,
if Daniel Jones is the starter, it's going to be
not because Daniel Jones won the job, it's going to
be because Anthony Richardson did not. And at this point,
I think if you look at it, you would have
to say that Richardson is probably the clubhouse leader, because

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not that Richardson has done anything to really stand out,
but Jones has not, and Richardson hasn't done anything to
this point that really sets him back, and he's starting
to show some rhythm. But I just think there's a
danger in convincing yourself.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
We all know.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
It's the analogy I always give Eddie. We all know
that friend who's in a relationship with somebody where the
person's a dud and doesn't follow through on like seventy
percent of the plans, but when they do, like, it's
the best date ever, and so they just keep going
back to that well, and you're like, oh my gosh,
come on man. And I think that there's a level

(18:54):
of that. I think the Colts are intrigued, you know,
they are in love with the what could be as
opposed to what is or what has been, and it's
up to them to decide and determine whether or not
how long they let it go. I did think it
was interesting yesterday Jonathan Taylor that audio is available from

(19:14):
yesterday on the podcast page one oh seven five to
the fan dot Com, when Jonathan Taylor said that Daniel
Jones runs basically the city, He's like, I don't think
people realize how athletic this guy is and that he runs. Now,
he said, Daniel Jones runs like twenty two miles an hour.
Do they have like a radar gun on that? Is
that how they know.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
That they have like tracking devices they put on the players?

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Isn't am I hallucinating? Wasn't Jonathan Taylor in the game
against the Patriots several years ago when Hard Knocks was here?
Wasn't Jonathan Taylor clocked at twenty two miles an hour?
Wasn't that his speed in that breakaway score that put
that game away?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Could be close to that.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I'm almost convinced that's what it was. And I'm like,
wait a minute, So Daniel Jones has the same speed
as Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
So Jonathan Taylor's top speed twenty two point zero five
miles per hour. There you go, Okay, Daniel Jones was
twenty one point two.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
What's Anthony Richardson?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
I mean Richardson's fast and big, I mean Richardson's got
to be way up there, right, because that's the thing
about Richardson that I that I also go back to
I fall victim as well to falling in love with
the intrigue because of the fact, like if you look
at the New York game the Jets when it was
in the balance and Richardson basically carried them to a win,

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which is awesome, but it has to happen more than once.
Did you happen to see Richardson speed? What do you
think yours is, Eddie? What's what are ours?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
God, I don't even want to talk about mine.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
I would win a foot race right now between the
two of us.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Probably you I'm slow.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, I mean, what do you think you're dealing with?
Carl Lewis here? I mean, come on, back in my day,
Back in my day, I was never fast. I was
at least relatively athletic. But like now, I'm telling you,
father time, all of a sudden, I mean you start,
I get about ten yards into a hundred meter dash
and I'm like, hello, hey, Jacob, any of the USFL

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player has been called in to get a try out.
I think there are typically a couple I have not
looked there may be one or two on the Colts camp.
But the USFL, it's now the UFL, right, the United
Football League. I think that's right, but they're in some trouble.
But I think there are usually like ten to twelve
players league wide that get an opportunity. Dave Redson on

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the program today, a little Big ten preview. We will
do with him also Joel A. Erickson. We will talk
about exactly what we just were, not only the Colts
quarterbacking competition, but a breakout yesterday that you hope carries forward.
Will let you know who that is as well. Big
One here on the hump day in his querying company
on the fan. Would you like to know another brain
dropping I had last night? Dave Rebson, by the way,

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about fifteen minutes from now Big ten Football preview. I
you reporting? Is it today? I use reporting?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
They started their camp or whatever they call it.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Camp or whatever they call it.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
What are they like sitting around making some'mores? Is that
it telling ghost stories?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Did you go to camp as a kid? I did not,
never once. No no baseball camp, nothing, no basketball camp, no,
no football camp.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
No.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Okay no like gnaw bone nothing. No, Okay, did you
ever camp out in the backyard? Did you ever get
a tent and like spend the night in the backyard
in a tent? I did camp out ones where Raccoon Lake?
Okay as a kid?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, fair enough?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
So I you you know, I'm curious about Purdue as well.
In Dave's thoughts on Purdue and the Big Ten, one
of the questions I want to talk to Dave Rebson
about when we have him from the Big Ten network is,
you know, we know obviously Ohio State. I think Oregon's
going to be really good. Penn State, you know, Penn
State is always going to be right there. But Penn

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State doesn't it typically feel like Penn State every year.
If I was a Penn State beat writer, I would
every year. I would just have a boilerplate column written
already that says number five rated. Penn State was leading

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Ohio State mid third quarter in the battle for Big
Ten supremacy when Ohio State went on a seventeen nothing
run in the last twelve minutes of the game to
hand the Nitney Lions their first loss of the year
and then just submit it by the boom. But the
Bank it's the same thing every year, every year, without fail.
I get super excited because I don't like Ohio State,

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and every year without fail, I literally I'm like, Okay,
this is gonna be Thank goodness, somebody's gonna knock out
Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
And I think it's going to be Penn State.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
And they tease me every year, and I get super
excited because I go out and do whatever, and it's
a primetime game and I get home and it's ten
o'clock and I turn on the TV. I'm like, yes, yes,
Penn State is up twenty to seven in the third quarter.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Pulling them all five. Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
And then they end up losing twenty eight twenty Like
every year this happens. But I'm curious in the Big
Ten what other program it is that Dave Revsen or
that those that are really kind of analyzing these camps
are looking at saying that's a team that could be
this year's Indiana. You know, Michigan State was really down Nebraska.

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We've been waiting for. To Nebraska is to college football
what Anthony Richardson is to the colts. Like you keep saying, well,
we know it's there all the ingredients are there, it's
just a matter of finding consistency.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
What about Wisconsin, that's another one.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Wisconsin's interesting because it's obviously a very good program. But
aren't they another one that every time it really comes
down to the brass tacks, Wisconsin stubs their own toe.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well, see, I mean new head coach Luke Fickle second
year or going into his third year, I should say.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
And remember when, I mean when they got him, that
was a huge coup. And he's a darn good coach.
Don't get me wrong. Minnesota. Is Minnesota going to be good?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
USC? Are they going to be good?

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Well?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
USC, you would have I mean, there is no reason
for USC to have more than like two dry years, right,
I mean, just based on recruiting cycles alone. USC, you
would have to assume. That's the other thing, Eddie, when
you mentioned you, you know, I'm still thinking and I listen,

(26:03):
guilty is charged here. And I love the fact that Washington, Oregon, UCLA,
and USC are in the big ten. I mean, it's
a logistical nightmare. It makes no sense, it's probably not
cost feasible. It's a little bit absurd. It's totally weird
sounding and feeling to this day, but I do love it,

(26:25):
but it still is taking a while for me to
get used to it. When you mentioned that, I'm like,
what USC, I still think of the Big ten? I
mean literally it three years ago. I finally automatically was
thinking like Maryland, Penn State, Nebraska, right, and then boom
you throw those and I'm like, wait, wait a minute, now,
I also saw yesterday. Did you see this? The I

(26:50):
heard this now now I might have been maybe I
slept this, Maybe I like dreamt this. Did I hear that?
North Carolina now is apparently still holding onto an offer
from the SEC.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
You did not dream that?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
That is correct, But the problem is you have that
bylaw letter with the you know, the charter letter membership
for the ACC that is apparently the most binding thing
ever in North Carolina. I think Clemson is very interesting
to see what happens with that, because if Clemson and
North Carolina both leave the ACC, and Clemson has flirted
with that as well, if they both leave the ACC,

(27:27):
then you know, then you're in real trouble.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I feel like that's more of like a win.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Not if I would I would agree with that. Although
that I'm telling you that that contract or that deed
that was signed or that they're a part of is
seemingly pretty ironclad. So you know, that's that's a tough one.
I mean, California and isn't SMU in the ACC now,

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I mean, what are we doing here? And then I
always feel bad for Oregon State because Oregon State in
Washington State, which are two decent athletic programs, were completely
left out on the cold. They were completely asleep at
the wheel. And now Oregon State's like trying to, you know,
pump up season tickets, like come see our rivalry with
San Jose State.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
What, okay, sure, come watch us play Washington State four times?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
That's right, yeah, exactly. But I'm curious what we should
predict it now if I ask, if I ask Dave Revson,
who is going to be who has the best potential
to be this year's Indiana out of the Big ten?
And by that I mean a team that is not

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forecasted to be at the top of the conference, that
could come kind of out of nowhere and based on
their schedule and other such breaks fall the way of
things really going well. For like Washington's expected to be
pretty good. Who's he gonna say, I'll predict. I got

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a prediction too, Okay, who is your prediction? Ucla? Okay,
that's good.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
They got Niko Ayamaya Lava.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
No, you're right, and that's another one. Eddie that but UCLA.
Doesn't it feel like UCLA? I'm USI supposed to be good, right,
But that's a good pick. I'll say that he's going
to say Minnesota. But we'll find out when he joins
us from the Big Ten Network and he does it next.
It is upon us college football in terms of in

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particular teams getting underway with It's crazy to think, you know,
kids back at school before August and now obviously the
Colt in training camp. Day off today for the Colts.
By the way, Joela ericson at about twenty but joining
us now on the program. He is, of course with
the Big Ten Network to preview the conference. Our friend
Dave Rebsen joins us. Dave, how are you?

Speaker 5 (29:51):
I couldn't be fine? Or Jake.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
We embarked tomorrow on our preseason camp tour line to Lincoln, Nebraska.
We'll see the hot Ters on Friday and then we're
off and running. It's pretty amazing to think it's upon us.
It's always an exciting time.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
It is and then but you know before you know it,
And this is what is fun, Dave. I love like
those those early fall Saturday night under the lights games
where it's just starting to get crisp in the air
and you see these big matchups right separation Saturday and
et cetera. So let's start with this. Eddie and I
were just talking about it. We each predicted who you
may say for your answer, Okay, this year's And I

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know that you haven't gone to camp and seen a
lot of these teams yet, so I understand that. But
when you look at scheduling and other such things, the
team that could be this year's Indiana, and by that
I mean I don't mean one that is starting out
ranked in the top twenty five per se, but one
that just you kind of have your eye on it
and you're curious to get to their camp because you
think things may come together for this team, despite people

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not necessarily talking about them at this point. Who jumps
out at you as the potential of that squad?

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Well, I mean people are talking about Illinois, so maybe
that's not a fair one.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
I feel like they won.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Ten games a year ago, and you know, maybe they
can be a team that makes the playoffs this year,
but it feels like the way that you set that up,
Illinois maybe isn't an acceptable response. So I guess if
not them, I might say Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
I'm a little concerned about that.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
That was my prediction, Dave. I predicted you were going
to go with Minnesota. I love it. And we did
not discuss this ahead of time.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
By the way, Okay, all right, well no we did not.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
That makes me feel good because you know, kay, and
it means it must be bordering on the truth.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
I just I'm concerned about quarterback. I mean, I've just
never seen Drake Lindsay play other than him practice last year.
And he's a big kid with a nice arm, but
I mean he's not a five star recruit. It's not
Bryce Underwood coming in. But other than that, I just
feel like they've got a lot of really good answers.

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They'll be really good on defense. They were elite on
defense last year. They did lose their DC.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Corey Heatherman.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
He went to Miami, but I know Danny Collins has
been with PJ. Fleck for a long time to need DC,
And I was talking to PJ and Las Vegas, and
he's really excited about him and doesn't think they'll miss
a beat there. I think their offensive line will be good.
It really struggled last year, but I think they upgraded
some in the portal. They have a really good running back.

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I just think there are a lot of pieces in.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Place for them. I wouldn't predict they're going to make
the playoff, Like I don't think they're going to have
the year that Indiana had.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
A year ago.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
But if we're talking about a team that people.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
Aren't talking about, and again I think that excludes Illinois.
I think to a certain extent that excludes to Iowa.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
I mean I would say Iowa is a team that
they could rise up.

Speaker 6 (32:46):
But again, I feel like they may show up in
some preseason top twenty fives. You know, I'm not sure
I'm buying Nebraska.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
I'd go Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Man, it's such a loaded league, Dave, You know what
I mean. When you look at it, you just you
can make a case really for about everybody, and then
you know, obviously excluding Purdue. And we'll get to that
in a second. But I want to focus on Kurt Signette.
Dave Revson Big ten Network is our guest. A year ago,
Kurt Signetti was was making waves with you know, we've
talked about it obviously, the uber confidence, the famous quotes,

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the preseason stuff, and he backed it up. And I
found it interesting that when he came out and was
talking about scheduling as you know, as if you were
an SEC school and you know, the breaking the contract
with Virginia Dave. From an Indiana standpoint, it seemed as
though Kurt Signetti all of a sudden has elevated himself

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into a coach that the rest of the Big Ten
kind of backed up now what he was saying, and
that he was like this spokesperson for other coaches who
then came out and said, yeah, he's right, and we
agree with that. That's the Indiana perspective. Is that an
accurate assessment or is he still seen by other coaches
as this bravada that is kind of eyebrow raising.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
I can't speak to how other coaches see him. I mean,
I just don't know. I haven't asked them how they
view him.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
I look what, I'd rather see Indiana play Virginia than
some of these games that they're scheduling.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
I would, But I also think that in life, you
do what you're incentivized to do, and I just don't
think there's incentive to play these top level non conference games.
And again, I think this is why the Big Ten
is advocating for four guaranteed spots in the playoff for
them and for.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
The SEC, because they've been the best leagues.

Speaker 6 (34:35):
I mean, I think if you go through here in
recent years, the most elite teams, it's those two leagues.
But also from the Big Ten's point of view, you know,
they look at versus the SEC, and SEC is only
playing eight conference games and no one penalizes them for that.
The Big Ten when you play nine, and again, the
math is you're.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
Guaranteed that half your league's going to lose one more game.
And so if we're.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
Leaving all us in the hands of the committee and
they're looking at one loss record above and beyond everything,
I understand kind of the notion of well, we're not
going to schedule the potential for another loss. We already
are playing one more conference game than our top rival
league is. So you know what the coaches think of it,
I don't know, but I understand where where Big Ten

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teams are coming from.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Its terms of scheduling.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
I mean again, I just think like until the committee
shows us that they're going to go deep and you
know they're going to pick up whatever it is, a
three loss team over a one loss team, or or
a three loss team over two loss team, or whatever
it is, they just haven't really done that. And so
I think, like your goal is just to minimize your
number of losses, and part of the way to do

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that is to schedule is easy and non conference late
as you can.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
You know, it's interesting for Indiana and Kurt Signetti's offense now, Dave,
it's hard to say this because they got such good
play last year at the quarterback position. So I mean,
it is no slight, but they might have even upgraded.
I'm a mate. You know, Mendoza coming from California has
not only experience, but I think there seemingly is a
lot of intrigue about him being a literally a top

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level first round level pick at that position. Your intrigue
level about Mendoza and just about Indiana offensively this year
trying to maintain what they were able to do a
year ago.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
It's really high, Jake, And I'll tell you I think
I maybe even I can't recall whether we talk about this.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
So, like Curtis Rourke had a terrible.

Speaker 6 (36:34):
Day when we were practice last year, and that's why
we always kind of say, hey, we're parachuting.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
In it's one day.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
You don't know whether it's representative.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
And everyone there was telling us, now.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
He has had a great camp, and we think he's
going to be really good. I mean, Tavin Jackson had
a way better day than Curtis Rourke and everyone kept
telling us this was his worst day by far.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
He's going to be really good. So, I mean, I'm
excited to see Fernando Mendoza.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
But again, I didn't come out camp last year thinking like,
oh my goodness, Curtis Rourke, they've really got this thing
figured out. But looking at tape for Nanda Mendoza, I
certainly understand why people are excited about him. I mean,
he certainly has the size and the physical tools. In
all of that, you know, the offensive line's got to

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be better for him and Indiana than it was at CAL.
I mean, that was really the challenge for him, and
I think part of the reason that he was kind
of middle of the pack in the acc and passing efficiency.
But it's easy to look at the tape and the
highlights of him from call and to see why people
are excited. But I would just say, I mean, what
Curtis Rourke did last year was pretty amazing, and to

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do it with an injury, as we later learned it was,
it was a remarkable year. And so yeah, I don't
want to slight that at all.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
I mean, is it an upgrade.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
It'd be hard to be much better than Curtis Rourke
was last year. But if they're just the same at quarterback,
if they're just as good, that would be a really
enviable spot because they were one of the elite quarterback
teams in the country a year ago.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
By the way, Dave, do you really actually parachute in?
Is that a tandem jump or are you a solo guy?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (38:10):
Donardo likes to parachute in. He wants to get up
into a plane.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Is this big thing? I mean? And I just kind
of through the years and been like, all right, we'll
parachute in.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
Yeah, we're usually you know, we try to land at midfield.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
We've had the Blue Angels a couple of times. I mean,
it's it's a pretty big production.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
And that takes some practice. Too, which is impressive, right,
it does.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
But again, I mean that's what the off seasons for
Jake like. We're not just sitting around resting on our laurels.
We're trying to figure out how we can get better.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
And part of that is you make sure you hit
the fifty every time and.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
At Paris Island for the entire offseason, getting getting things
right exactly. Hey, David, your thoughts on you know, obviously
it Purdue. This is a complete rebuild and I'm fascinated
by Barry Odom in terms of I think if you
really do look and I mean, you know, how much
do we really follow UNLV football? Right, But if you

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look at his team there and you go back and
look at it, I think, you know, a disciplined style
of football, kind of an older school style of football.
I think he can bring that to Purdue and operate that.
But can that win in the Big Ten? And how
long does it take to turn that around? If you will?
What do you anticipate, if anything, this year from Purdue

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in this rebuild.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
I haven't the faintest idea. I mean, I really we
just have to see.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
Them in camp. I mean, again, you're talking about.

Speaker 6 (39:44):
A team that essentially has like one player that anyone
knows anything about.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Probably he doesn't have the faintest idea, right, I mean,
they've got to be nat.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
I can't imagine that he does. Again, I think it
would be unfair to say, you know, can you do it?
Kurt Signetti did?

Speaker 6 (39:58):
I just but in this day and age, you don't
have to rebuild over four or five years. You can
be competitive right away because he utilized the portal. And
again he's got a handful of guys coming from UNLV.
It's nothing like the JMU contingent that came last year
with Signetti. But again, I really, I mean, I have

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no field at all. I would agree with you. I
think he did a really nice job at UNLV. You know,
my old colleague Kenny Mayne, of course, was a backup
quarterback at UNLV soul. He would always regale me.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
With tales of UNLV football.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
But the truth of the matter is it's not much
of a tradition. And you know the fact that he won.
They won twenty games in two years. I think he
was responsible for nineteen of them because he left before
the bowl game last year, but they had won you know,
I think like five years the year or five games
the year before he got there. So he did a

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really good job. You know, he wasn't great at Missouri. Again,
I just reserve judgment. I want to see. I thought
he was impressive in Las Vegas. He's a pretty even
keeled guy, or at least came across that way. He's
different from Signetti.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
I mean, there's a whole lot of bravado there.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
There are lots of different ways to get this done,
and I just anxiously go to camp and see what
it looks like.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
So take me through Dave repsent, our guest Big ten Network. Dave,
the coverage that you guys will begin doing. And I
know that you obviously you probably are doing your final
preparations in terms of getting ready to do your camp tour.
You mentioned it starts at Nebraska. What is the next
say two weeks like on the Big ten Network in
terms of where all you're going to be and all
that you haven't planned.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
Yeah, we start, as I said, we start the camp
tour at Nebraska on Friday.

Speaker 5 (41:47):
We go to Minnesota from there and then we head east.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
What we're flying, we're not it's not all buses anymore.
For obvious reasons, which is, you know you you really
couldn't get it done.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
So we head east after that and will be.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
I want to say, we go to Maryland and then
kind of do the the Penn State, Rutgers and that.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Whole leg of the trip.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
So yeah, it's I'm looking up here to see when
we're in Indiana and producer. We're in Indiana on August
the eighth, and we're at Purdue on August the ninth,
so that's kind of the back end. We go east
to Maryland and then swing back through the state of
Indiana and then go back out to Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern

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and then the West Coast schools, which Ashley is.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Going to be doing. Uh those start in the middle
of August.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
You know, I don't. And here's the thing, Dave. It's
parachuting from the top of a bus. Very dangerous, right yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Mean yeah, you got yeah, may not open quickly, you
may not.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Open yeah, I mean that's an ankle issue at that point, right,
So it's probably better than on the plane, right.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
Yeah, I think, Well, you know, we do. It's a mixture.
We've got We've got this company.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
Called land Jet, which has these tricked out sprinter vans,
and so we use land Jet quite a bit like
kind of in these shorter haul trips, but we don't
have the full like concert tour bus that we used
to have, So it's a little bit of flying, a
little bit of driving, and a lot of parachhite.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
By the way, before we let you go, Dave, two
things in terms of you mentioned concert now. Number one,
if you remember the last time we talked to you,
I had just purchased my tickets for my annual White
Sox game with Shannon, which is going to take place
coming up here on the thirteenth of August. I set
up an alert on my phone to buy face value,
like you know, right there off the top, and I'm

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thinking based on their year, you are correct in the
fact that was not a sound business decision. Probably secondary
market readily available right now.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Correct, Yes, Yes, been out there twice in the last month.
I was there for the win over the Cubs on.

Speaker 6 (44:04):
Friday, which of course was packed house, but then the
other game I was at, I mean there could have
been more than ten thousand people there. So you'll have
your not just your pick of seats, oll to your
pick of a road I know.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, Well, here's the other thing you mentioned concert I went,
and you tell me, you know, everybody on the show
knows this because I talked about it forever. It was unbelievable.
I did go to Manchester, England to see Oasis for
two shows in Manchester, their hometown, and the view of
Dave Revson music officionado, that is lame or that is cool?

Speaker 5 (44:37):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (44:37):
Man, I think that's super cool. I mean, I'm not
a huge Oasis fan, but but I mean, first of
I'll just go to Manchester for a concert to see
a group in its hometown. I think that's I think
that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
Was it fun?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
It was They have a park that is as a
matter of fact, it's basically the size of Central Park
and they had they listed it at eighty thousand. I
think it's closer to one hundred thousand. Here's the one
thing I learned Dave that I shared with our listeners.
But you and I are friends, so I'm going to
share this with you. In the event that you go
to a concert in the UK, you start seeing cups

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flying through the air, a lot of moisture through the air,
cups celebrating like with big songs, and I learned, thankfully,
I was tipped to this in advance when you get
into these big crowds like that for outdoor, this is
a soccer thing, is where it started. You double fisted
your beers, but then it's too hard to get to
the portalettes, so then the empty cups are used for

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that purpose until your favorite song comes on, in which
you hoist them in the air. So if you're going
to go to a show there, you want to be
in the back like forty percent.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
Oh my goodness, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, it was. It was. It was a little eye opening,
to say the least. And then like you talk to
people afterwards and like, yeah, I got kind of wet.
I just went back and took a shower. I'm not sure,
and I'm like, okay, oh, as a germaphoe, you have
just described it literally my worst nightmare. Yeah, I mean listen.
But other than that, and that's you know, that's like
the twenty five and undercrowd that's in the front. You know,

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David was amazing. I mean they are. It was electric
just to see. That's the thing about music when you
can look around at people that grew up on the
other side of the planet and realize that you have
the common thread of the same soundtrack. That means a
lot to you. That is a special thing. So it
was very, very cool, and I'll enjoy that exact same
fraternal feeling with the other two hundred and forty six

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people that will be at the White Sox game with
me on the thirteenth. So if you're not at a camp,
swing by and say Hi.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
Yeah, I'm sad that I'll be out of town on
that day because I mean, I would like to see you,
but I probably have my soul the Socks. I mean,
I went one and one and the win over the
Cubs Friday was fun.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
So well two games season, You're doing better than most
Socks fans, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Yeah, no, I know, yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Nebraska is the first of the tour for Dave Revsen
and the group from the Big Ten Network and again
August eighth and ninth, they will be coming through the
state of Indiana. Look for the low flying plane and
Dave pulling the ripcord jumping out of it along with
Jerry DeNardo. Dave appreciate it as always, man, look forward
to talking to you again.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Oh, I'd be good. Thanks you.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
It's our buddy Dave Rebsen from the Big Ten Network. Again.
In terms of camp, it is an off day in
camp on the professional side of things. But Joel Erickson
will get us up to speed on everything that has
happened so far with the coltson maybe some injury updates
as well. We'll do it next. Joela Ericson would be
happy to know than just we are like, I think

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two weeks three weeks away from IndyCar and Milwaukee. And
I don't know if you know this, but when whenever
IndyCar goes to Milwaukee, and I bought tickets last night,
by the way, for the Brewers. The Brewers are playing
the Giants. And let me tell you something. The Brewers tickets.
You know, I always buy like the top literally the
top row of like right field. No joke on the

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Brewers tickets this year. I mean there it was.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Are the best team in baseball? Un I listen, I
mean it was, And I mean I have no idea how.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Top dollar I paid more for the Brewers Giants game
than I did for the Oasis concert. I'm being extremely sarcastic,
but whenever the Brewers are playing and I'm up there
for a game or for IndyCar. Then the beer Fairy
shows up at Joel Erickson's house, which is always exciting.
He joins us now, and I'm sure thrilled to be

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doing so on the guest line on an off day
for the Colts. So exactly what most beat writers want
to do is join this program. Joel. Let's begin with
this from an injury standpoint. We discussed it yesterday, but
for those that were not here yesterday, there were a
couple of tweaks. Does anything can you recap for us
a couple of the injuries that we saw yesterday and

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if there's any information at all to update, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
I'm I'm mostly focused on the cornerbacks. Juju Brents after
we talked to him. Sometime between us talking to him
and the next day was out with the hamstring, and
then we saw Jalen Jones deal with a hamstring injury.
We saw him pull up that one. As hamstrings go,
it looked it looked pretty bad to start, and I

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think that that that that's the one I'm focused on
because they're they're competition with Justin Wally, and Wally has
been ahead of them, so far for that cornerback job.
I think that's the biggest one. Michael Pittman kind of
finished practice. I wonder if his growing is maybe more
just maintenance. But yeah, I think the corners are the one.
I'm most interested in.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
The the injury that you talked about with Jalen Jones,
because you are right, I mean that that seems to
be boy. I mean, and now, and let me ask
you this, my apologies. Is it Whaley or Wally because
I hear both.

Speaker 7 (49:57):
I've been saying Wally, and now I'm concerned that I
that wrong.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I've been saying Whaley, and then I went to Wally,
and then I went, I've kind of how about this
justin w How's that?

Speaker 3 (50:08):
The person to ask is Matt Taylor.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
Tomorrow, I'm going to just pull Matt Taylor aside and say, hey,
am I saying?

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Well, listen, Joel, this is not unprecedented because we've had
like Antoine Bethay was Antoine Bethay, that he was Antoine
Betheya than back, you know what I mean. We've had
players and in racing I can tell you. I mean
Tony Kanan was Tony Kanaan when he first came to
the United States, and then everybody said Canaan and it
was like, okay, we'll just go with that, you know
what I mean. So so we're all off the hook here.

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But having said that, he has been really and you
tell me if I'm wrong, he's been kind of the
buzz of this camp so far.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (50:44):
I think early on it was mostly because he was
ahead of those guys. The last two days, though, we
started to see him make more plays on the ball.
Some of the stuff we heard them talk about in
the off season, we didn't really see that last week.
We started to see it this week. I think the
thing that I keep thinking about him is when I
talked to him in June, after they've been praising him

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and saying he was breaking up all these passes and
making all these interceptions, I said, is this easier than
you thought it would be? Or are you more comfortable
than you thought it would be? And he said, no,
this is the hardest thing I've ever done on a
football field. And I think when your head is swimming
and you're still impressing the coaching staff and making plays,
to me, that's an indicator of something something to be

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excited about.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
The quarterback competition is the one, Joel, that is always
going to be the storyline of this camp. It was
going into it, it is now. But before we go there,
I'm going to ask you what I've asked a couple
of others, and that is you mentioned corner. Is there
another area that you look towards where maybe there is

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a potential unseat of the incumbent or a battle taking
place that you did not anticipate three weeks ago was
going to be a story.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
I think maybe not talking about center enough. You know,
Magnzoalvez at right guard has basically just been the right
guard with the first team at center, Tanner Bordolini and
Danny Pinter are are they are trading off days?

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Really I thought I thought, I mean, guilty is charged
here because I thought that that was a done one
and that Bartolini was going to be the guy.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
That's that's kind of I think what most of us
thought going in. But but so far it has been
sixty there one day and then sixty three there the
next day, and they have continued on that. I think
that is a real competition at the center position that
maybe maybe we need to pay a little more attention
to as we go forward.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Is that because of the fact that that Bartolini has
played poorly or because Pinter has exceeded expectation.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
I I think it goes back to last year. Because
they've really only been in full pads for two days.
They don't really have a ton of data on.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
The offensive lineman.

Speaker 7 (52:56):
Yet I think it goes back to last year BORDERLINI
came back from any injury, Pinter had started a game,
and instead of just giving ford a Leini back the
position he had earlier in the year, they went with
Pinter to start another game before Ryan Kelly came back.
Something something in the evaluation for Tony Sparan or that's
the offensive line coach and the rest of the coaching
staff tells them that that should be more of a competition.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
And I have made a note.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
I made a note to myself yesterday I need to
watch the centers a little more closely than I have.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Been interesting because you know the but I will give
and you tell me Joel if you agree with this.
I said it yesterday. Bernard Ryman. Do you remember when
Bernard Ryman came in he had short arms? You remember that,
like everybody was they and actually they they initially when
they drafted him, they only had a photo of a
t Rex. They didn't actually have a photo of him,

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and that was the big knock on him, right and
and Chris Ballard basically said, look, we think this guy
can grow into it. And he did. And I will
give Ballard credit there. And in a time when we
have been very critical of Chris Ballard over the last
couple of years, the one area well where I give
him credit is I do think that they have built

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an offensive line here that does have some depth and
some guys that can Swiss Army a little bit. And
he gets credit there because not all of them were
can't miss products. Am I giving him too much credit?

Speaker 7 (54:23):
No? No, I think you're right. I think Ryman in
particular should be looked at, regardless of whatever happens, as
one of the best draft picks of his tenure. You
don't get left tackles outside of the first round. You
just don't. I mean there's a couple. David Bachiari's a
forced drawn Armstead was a third, but like it's very

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few and far between for like left tackle names that
people might know that came outside of the first round.
Ballard took one in the third saw something with him
and he has developed into that that is much harder,
I think than we necessarily give it credit for.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Based.

Speaker 7 (55:00):
You know, if you just go back and look at
the history of left tackles, and I know someone's gonna
go out there and go, I found this guy and
this guy or whatever. But my editor Nat newle Is
is big in the numbers and has done this plenty
of times. It is very hard to find a left tackle.
Outside of the first round.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
The Colts were able to do it the quarterback position.
Let's get to it. Leader right now is who Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I think is.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
That because Anthony Richardson has taken a step or because
Daniel Jones is not.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
I think for me it's because I thought for Daniel
Jones to win this job coming in that he had
to be leaps and bounds more efficient as a pastor
and accurate as a pastor, and I haven't necessarily seen that.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
So far.

Speaker 7 (55:46):
Richardson has had periods and stretches of practice where he's
been much more accurate than we've seen in the past.
I still have like yesterday's practice is a good example.
He was nine to eleven at one point with one
of the incomplete is coming on a shovel, and you
feel really good about that. And then the last period
comes out and he goes oh for three with some

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with some misses in there. And so there's a piece
of me that wonders, you know, which one to hang
my hat on or.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Pay attention to.

Speaker 7 (56:14):
But Jones, I thought, you know, his advantage was, you know,
he's a he's got a veteran with reputation for knowing
the offense and working really hard and doing all that stuff.
And those guys, I think you have to complete a
ton of passes and I just don't know that we've
seen that. I think the thing that I've noticed most

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with him is he has a tendency to either throw
a little bit late or lock on a receiver or
whatever it is. It's hard to tell, but there there
are a lot of sort of routes where a receiver
has settled down and he throws and it gets broken up.
There was one practice where every incompletion he had was
like that, and to me that that was the kind
of throw that he has to be making over and

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over and over again to take.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
The job away from Richardson.

Speaker 7 (56:58):
Because Richardson, I think we haven't necessarily seen it in
camp so far, but he gives you he's more dynamic
as a runner, and he's definitely more dynamic as a
thrower down the field.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
So and Richardson has am I correct in saying Joel
shown a little bit more consistency in the layup game
right like the over the middle. The timing has been
better right in terms and to the point where there
were people that were wondering who he worked with in
the offseason. But before I get to my other question,
am I correct in saying that he has been more
precise in the rhythm passing. Talking about Anthony Richardson, So.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I looked up last year. I looked at what I
had last year for.

Speaker 7 (57:35):
Training camp, and by the end of training camp, I
had him at sixty one percent completion. That's my unofficial count.
I'm sure the Colts have a different official count. It's
the same right now. I have him at fifty four
to fifty five. So I do think there has been
an uptick in in him getting the ball out of
the pocket on time, all that type of thing. I

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would like to see a little more before I'm ready
to say that it's definitely different than it was last year.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Okay, so this is my follow up to that, and
it involves spoiler alert here. I'm about to reveal a
deep secret from a movie and ruin the movie if
you've not seen it. But the movie's thirty years old,
so I feel safe that it's not really a spoiler alert. Joel,
have you seen the movie? I've referenced it before on
this show maybe with you. Have you ever seen the
movie Primal Fear with Ed Norton and Richard Gear. Yes,

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it's a fabulous movie. In the movie, Ed Norton plays
a defendant who is a very likable, innocent young guy
with this like sinister streak, and at the end of
the movie you find out that, in fact, he is
a sinister guy with a fake persona of an innocent

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kid that he can do in a streak. Is there
any chance that Anthony Richardson, when we see these things
about him as a consistent quarterback, is actually ed and
when the regular season rolls around, we're going to find
out that he is not a guy now that is
an accurate quarterback where that has come together, that has mobility,
but rather he's a mobile guide that still does not
have accuracy.

Speaker 7 (59:12):
I I think that it's definitely possible, and I think
I think part of it is maybe a lesson for
me and the time I've covered this team is I
don't want to overvalue what we're seeing on the training
camp field. And I know, as somebody who's who's writing
an observations piece every day where I'm detailing every throw
that that may sound a little bit, you know, hypocritical,

(59:35):
But the thing is, like, you know, we're we're what
were we thinking coming out of camp with Matt Ryan,
you know, and some of these other guys, some of
these other camps over the time. I think I think
there's a there's a piece of me that's become a
little bit skeptical on stuff. Like I said, I had
him at I had him at sixty one percent at
the end of camp last year. I think it's it's
definitely possible that, you know, some of the some of

(01:00:00):
the periods we've seen where he hasn't been as accurate
so far, end up being more of the norm once
you're in a less controlled setting, for the colt's sake,
you don't want that, but I think it's definitely possible.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Joel A. Erickson is our guest Indianapolis Star is where
you can read his work. We're talking about the Colts
who have the off day today again. Jalen Jones yesterday
hamstring injury. Juju Brents it was not visible, but apparently
is dealing with a hamstring injury. Michael Pittman Junior had
a groin injury late in practice. Am I correcting that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
And it was very late because he had something like
five catches in teamwork before that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Okay, so did it And that was not something that
you saw, right. We just were told about it later.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I didn't see it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:51):
I know Nay Atkins, who covers the Cults with me
at Adnee Starr, said that he was kind of it
looked like one of those things that maybe you kind
of go over to the trainer and say, hey, this
is bothering me, and then they kind of just make
a decision on it. So it wasn't like the Jalen
Jones thing where you saw it happen very obviously in
front of you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
You know one guy that I have heard. You know,
there seems to be some optimism about and I get
the fact that it's hard to get excited about anybody
that is going to be spelling Jonathan Taylor, because Jonathan
Taylor is obviously, you know, an elite player in one
that you anticipate being on the field as much as possible.

(01:01:30):
But I've heard good things about DJ Giddens, and it
seems like he has been impressive. They're rookie running back
out of Kansas State. Fact or fiction on the fact
that he has jumped out a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Fact definite fact.

Speaker 7 (01:01:43):
I think Gidden's he's an interesting runner because you know,
you don't have sort of the jarring jump cut that
you get with Taylor's, the kind of sudden and hard
change of movement. He's more of a glider. I think
the word is the word Shane Steiken used. It's subtle.
The way he makes cuts is subtle. It's a little

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thing here or there. But he's really good at navigating traffic.
And then the other thing I think that that helps
him get on the field is he looks really natural
catching the football, which you know is a weakness of
Johnson Taylor's. I don't think anyone would ever say that
Johnathan Taylor looks natural catching the football. Every time they've
thrown it past the Giddons, it's looked very smooth, very consistent,

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and so I think that probably helps him get on
the field and gets him in some situations if he
can do that receiving work out of the backfield, They've
they've wanted to have somebody that can rely on to
do that and spell Taylor a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
For a while. Joel, how do you think Shane Steichen's
different than last year? If in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
I would say he's. It feels to me like he's
every year he's been here, he's gotten more comfortable in
just the atmosphere of being on the team. I don't
want to say just because I mean, honestly, who cares
how he is with the reporters and stuff like that.
That's such a small part of his job. But I
feel like the comfort level he has is is probably

(01:03:11):
gone up every year. I think the other thing with
him that I've noticed is he's he's he's really into
this year in practice trying to throw some unexpected at
the players. There've been a couple times in practice where
you know, Matt Taylor is announcing to everybody this is
what's going to happen, and Shane's out there like, no,

(01:03:33):
it's not I'm going to do a sudden change thing
and deviate from the part. I don't know if I
think deviate from the practice plan he talked about. He
didn't feel like they did a good job with that
in games last year. It's an interesting tactic. I have
no idea if it's going to work out or not,
but it's it's interesting that he's that devoted to it,
that he's, you know, throwing a wrench into practice in
random spots to kind of get the players out of

(01:03:55):
their comfort zone. That's that's maybe the other piece that
I've noticed with him that's pretty different.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
By the way, Joel, the last couple of days, they
have increased the practices, I mean from an hour to
an hour and a half. It's not like it's overbearing
and they're doing it before it is truly truly scorching
hot out. But it's been warm, right. I know this
is an NFLPA thing, and I get it the collective

(01:04:22):
bargaining agreement in terms of players and the amount of
practice they're doing. And maybe I'm just old, but I'm
still a little bit surprised at just how short the
practices are and at least to this point. And you
tell me if I'm wrong, the lack of overall intensity.
I'm not the one out there, so don't get me wrong,
and I'm not trying to be. You know, the guy

(01:04:44):
that sits here talks about how tough Dick Buckets was.
But have you been, I guess, in any way, shape
or form, surprised by the I'll say lack of work
to this point, if that makes sense relatively speaking, I.

Speaker 7 (01:04:59):
Think that you know, I've been covering the NFL for
about a decade now, and I think that that puts
me in the range where I'm I this is kind
of what I own pretty much what I've seen, even
in covering another team and covering another coach in Sean Payton.
I attribute a lot of it to a lot of
it to the NFLPA, but a lot of it also

(01:05:20):
to what goes on in those conversations with the training
staff and the medical staff behind the scenes. I don't
necessarily know that you would see it different anywhere other
than I think the one place that has a reputation
for being more physical than anywhere else is Pittsburgh with
Mike Tomlin. But he's he's also kind of an old
school coach himself. He's been there a really long time,

(01:05:43):
and I think he kind of pushes the boundaries on
the physicality. I I'll tell you this. I mean, I
think basically everyone you know who coached a in a
different era of football says that it's you know, even
when they say they're being physical, they're not really being physical, right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
I just don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
That it's that different from anywhere else around the NFL.
It just feels like to me, this is the way
the NFL crime in it's now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
It's basically the collective Barney agreement, right. I mean, didn't
they say we only want to do so? And I
get it again, I get it. I guess the question
I had in Steve and I were talking about this
yesterday Joel, but Joel ericson our guest, and that is,
do we know? Do we have enough body of work
to know? You know, the Colts have had a history
in the last decade or so of seemingly being a

(01:06:36):
team that has dealt with more little injuries over the
course of the year than most franchises. Maybe we just
say that because we cover them, right, But do we
know or will we ever know, whether or not scaling
back practices increases or decreases injury potential.

Speaker 7 (01:06:54):
That's that's a fantastic question, because I think it's not
just the CBA. I also think it is these teams.
I think it's the school of thought within the people
who are in charge of strength and conditioning and rest
and recovery and all that stuff. I think that is
it is their school of thought that this is the
way to go as well. Without seeing the data, Without

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seeing the data that they have and that they use
it at, you know, the owners meetings and stuff like that,
I think it's really hard for us to know because
I know in terms of the cults having more injuries,
I know another thing that the NFLPA has really talked
about a lot is surfaces, the surfaces they're playing on,
and that the old Lucas oil turf was known as
a bad surface to be playing on, and that that

(01:07:39):
that that was there's a thought school of thought that
that has contributed to some of the colts injuries over
the years. Without having all of the data available to us,
I don't think we have. I think it's really hard
for us to do anything more than speculate on it.
And I also don't know how to make them give
us that data or or sit down with us and say, okay,

(01:07:59):
you're doing doing this? How different from previous? How is
that different from you know, twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
More or thirty years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Joel? Do you think I should get three and a
half percent of Bernard Ryman's contract since it was on
this show that he said that they were far offer
than they got a deal done.

Speaker 7 (01:08:14):
Uh, I'm totally fine with giving you three and a
half percent his I'm pretty sure that's more than his
agent gets.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
But I have an agent typically gets seven percent, right,
isn't that about right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
No? No, no, No, that's gone down over the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Years, has it really?

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I mean a lot of these agents have like one
hundred guys, so it doesn't matter. So what's the agent
get's the cut?

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I think it's more in like the I thought.

Speaker 7 (01:08:37):
I'm in front of me right now, and I know
we have agency if I was wrong, But I think
it's more in like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
The two percent, Joel, it's gone down, Joel. Hang on, Joel,
I'd like to I'd like to walk back what you
just said. I know there might be agents in this
city that are listening. Let me let me inform you
of something we got twenty two female listeners. That's now
up to twenty four. I think when Eddie was gone.
The other day we picked up female listener number twenty four. Okay, yes,

(01:09:02):
just yesterday Shannon, who I've been dating now for twenty years,
actually asked what I do when I go to work.
So so that's off the table. My mom's at lunch
today right now. And then so I appreciate your belief
and confidence that there are listeners of this program, But
this is basically you and I sitting in a tent.
You know that, right.

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
I get enough text messages after I'm on with you,
j because I know there are people listening.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Really, Oh yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Is it mostly people saying how big an ass is
that guy? Is that typically what most of them say?

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
No, No, most of them are.

Speaker 7 (01:09:38):
Most of them are like, most of them are like, hey,
I heard you on Jake talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
This and this or that. Sometimes it's football, a lot
of times it's about beer or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
That's how it goes on this program, Joel. Let's be honest, right,
I mean, that's the way it goes. You know, you
sign up for this class, you're getting more, You're getting
a couple of elective along with it. Okay. Now, hold on, Eddie,
do you haven't had the breaking new sounder. We have
a verdict from Matt Taylor on the pronunciation of the

(01:10:10):
guy that right now is the clubhouse leader at corner,
the rookie out of the University of Minnesota. Justin is
the first name. There is discussion whether it is Wally
or Whaley for the last name, and we have a
ruling from Matt Taylor, the voice of the Colts, who
of course would know you would like to guess for
what answer Matt on that, Well, that's true, it's not Matt,

(01:10:31):
Joel Joe. You would like to You're going with which one.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
I've been I've been assuming it's Wally, so I'm gonna
stick with.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
It, Eddie, Wally Wally is indeed correct. That is the
correct answer. It is Justin Wallace. I don't know why
I've heard it both ways, though I'm not wrong there right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:47):
There is a there is I know there is a
beat writer who I will not name, but that has
has had the other pronunciation. So you've definitely heard it
the other way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Okay, but it is indeed Wallett. Now I'm telling you,
so what said do I get for Ryman.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Let's go too, and I say two and a half.
We'll give you two and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Wow, listen, I'll take I'll take point zero two point
zero two. Eddie, can you look up for me please?
I mean it's got to be an easy Joel. Are
you a math whiz? You're a writer, so you're not right.
You've flunked every math class you ever took, right.

Speaker 7 (01:11:20):
I I was good at masks back then, but now
someone gives it to me on a print out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
By the way, my buddy, my buddy, Rick Givers. Rick
Givers is an agent, but he's a media agent, and
he says there's at least one agent listening. Now. Rick
thinks I should get twelve percent, but that's because we're buddies.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Eddie.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Can you look up what point zero two percent is
of one hundred million or just of one hundred? What's
point zero? I should know that what's point zero two
of one hundred? So one percent of one hundred is
one So.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Really you need to look up what point oh two
of one hundred is?

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Yeah, obvious, but one hundred million, right, So then you
got to add, yes, it's two no, two percent, two percent.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Is two hundred Jake, it would be two.

Speaker 7 (01:12:08):
Yeah, but yeah, point zero two is two percent.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Correct, that's two one hundred Yeah, you're right. Okay, So
but of one hundred so of one hundred million, how
much is that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
That would be two million?

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Oh well, hell, let's go. Yeah, I'll take the point
oh two. No, point oh two of a percentage, right,
two two million would be oh yeah, you're right for
one hundred million, you're right, Yeah, let's go. I'll take
the point oh two again. I mean, like I said,
I flunked algebra. I had to take it seven times
and then missus Means helped me get through it. So

(01:12:41):
two and a half million for point oh two. Hell,
I'll take point oh two. Right, I'll take two hundred
fifty grand. That would be point oh two.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Right, Joel, I believe though.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Come on, keep up here, man, I mean, you know
we're doing quick math. You got to keep up, Joel.
You're with math wises here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
I helped a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:12:57):
But now now we're getting.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Further into it, and I'm getting right again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Listen, I got all kinds of arrows flying past me.
All right, Joel, much appreciated. What's your beer order? In
case I don't talk to you between now and when
I go to Milwaukee. Same as always.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Yeah, I think, same as always. Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:13:12):
If you find, if you find the fat squirrel, bring
that back as well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
That's now. Now here's the thing. And you got to
clarify this. When you're talking to a Wisconsin I you're
actually talking about the beverage fat squirrel. You don't want
me to bring back an actual hefty squirrel, right because no, no,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
No, I mean, listen, we have squirrels in Indiana.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
We don't, we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
I don't need any squirrel understood. But but as you know,
if it's from Wisconsin, it's a fatter squirrel because everything
up there's fatter because they live on beer and cheese. Right,
I mean we know this, right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
That's a thousand there's zero debate about that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
See one thousand percent. Now we know what that is,
A thousand percent of the hundred million. I'd take all right,
Joel appreciated as always. You bet you bet, Joela Ericson,
I'm sure thrilled is to be spending his off day
with us today, Eddie. Anything else we need to go
over with a quick math. Now, I'm very good at
multiplying numbers in my head. But that's it. I've always
been thrown off by the decimal point percentages. Totally thrown

(01:14:03):
off by that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
No, I think we're good on math for now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
But two percent and point zero two percent are different,
are they not?

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
They are different?

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Yeah, that's my point.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Yes, but you said to multiple, you said take one
hundred and multiple point zero two.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Okay, what you're saying, I'm saying point zero two of
a percentage point, so one fifth of a percent, so
that would mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Point zero zero two zero two two three zeros.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
But again I'm talking about if you say point zero
two percent of the contract, I'm saying one fifth of
a percentage point, yes, not two percent overall. That's different, right, Yes,
that is different. Yes, okay, so that's where I was confused.

(01:14:56):
But either way, he ain't giving me twenty bucks, is
what we're getting at. I'll take it. I am curious, though,
you would be stunned if you knew for professional athletes,
when you hear one hundred million dollar contract, after you
subtract taxes, after you subtract agency fee, I mean, there's
a lot that goes into that where that one hundred

(01:15:19):
million is a lot less. It's don't get me wrong.
I mean it is generational wealth. I'm not saying that,
but I'm saying the thought that a guy is automatically
walking away with a suitcase with one hundred million dollars in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
It is not the case at all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
I just saw. Is it Trevor Ariza that I saw that?
I think it was Trevor Ariza that made like forty
eight million dollars in his NBA career, and there he
is like seventy one thousand dollars per month in the whole.
If it's not Trevor Ariza, my apologies to Trevor Ariza,
but it was I think that was the player I
read that about. But it is, and I think that's

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that sounds insane, But I think that the money goes
away faster than you think. I think it goes way
faster than you think. Debbie Antonelli gonna join us on
the program. That's at what time an hour from now?

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Yes, we have tickets to give away at some point
as well, Jay.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Let's do it next. We have tickets to give away
for three Dog Night and drop kick Murphy's both correct.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
No, just uh just drop kick Murphy's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Okay, three Dog night is tomorrow night we gave or
Friday night we gave all those away. So drop kick
Murphy's tickets to give away. Drop kick Murphy's tickets to
give away. That is out at fwy's Amphitheater at the
Lawn at White River, which is a fabulous facility, and
we will do that. Would you like to do a
little show trivia Eddie, I do enjoy a showch all right,
we'll do it next two nine ten seventy lineup if

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you would like to go to the show. That show
takes place when Eddie next Tuesday, Next Tuesday night. Two three,
nine ten to seventy is the telephone number. I don't
feel so dumb because the number of people that have
texted me their definitive answer, and like literally it is
one third or saying twenty grand, one third er saying
two hundred grand, and one third saint two million. So

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it's all over the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Math, right, If you're saying two percent, it's two million.
If you're saying one fit, So if you're saying zero
point two percent of the one hundred million, yes, that
would be two hundred grand.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Correct, because it would be one fifth of one percent. Yes,
that would be two hunder grand Yes, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Mark has called in about this. Hi, Mark, how are
you good?

Speaker 8 (01:17:23):
How are you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
Jered? No?

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
No, no, what what what was the name? He said?

Speaker 7 (01:17:27):
There?

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
Did?

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
He just combined Jake and Derek.

Speaker 8 (01:17:30):
No, no, I said, Jerry, Jerry Jake. I'm sorry Jake, Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
That's all right, Well I.

Speaker 8 (01:17:37):
Started out real man, I'm sorry about that, Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Matt It's fine. No, I'm just kidding, all right, what's
going on?

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Mark Dank?

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
I appreciate you calling in.

Speaker 8 (01:17:46):
Hey, I was a special ed teacher in middle school
for many years.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Okay, what middle school?

Speaker 8 (01:17:50):
And Raymond Park?

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Uh now, let me get okay, he said Warren. Yes,
so Lake's side feeds into that, Is that right?

Speaker 8 (01:18:01):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
I mean, look at the big brain here on Jared. Right, okay,
h and Mark, you were a special at teacher for
what years?

Speaker 8 (01:18:10):
I just retired last year?

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Okay? And you began doing so in what year?

Speaker 8 (01:18:16):
Two thousand and seven?

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Because I got to tell you that is you know,
we can talk all we want, and we sit here
and talk about the fact that Bernard Ryman, for example,
got a one hundred million dollars deal and et cetera,
and I get the facts supplying de man. I get it.
There is no more important job. There are those that
would be of equal importance, but I don't know that
there's any more important job than education. And in education,

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I think we focus too much on at times the
top tier of those that go on to the Oxfords
of the world, and we don't focus enough on the
contributions that can be made from those in all areas.
And you are absolutely a champion and a saint and
deserve every flower that comes your way mark for the
work that you did and impacting every kid you impacted.

Speaker 8 (01:19:01):
Well, I do appreciate it, Thank you very much. I
did teach gen ed classes for a while, and I'll
tell you what I had a it's called functional academics.

Speaker 7 (01:19:10):
And these kids, you'd.

Speaker 8 (01:19:12):
See him walking down the hallway. Great kids do anything
for you see, just academically they weren't there, but they
could learn, and they worked hard. I had one kid
who would put simple things for me all the time.
He had that mechanical mind where he could, but he
couldn't do anything else. He couldn't read or do math,
but he could do that. So I had him do

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that around my room all the time. He loved it.
But great, you know I did that. I much preferred
doing teaching those kids, and I did in the gen
ed classrooms the regular classrooms.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
I believe that.

Speaker 8 (01:19:44):
It's yeah. Anyway, what I was telling you is it
was driving me crazy. Is that the easiest way to do?
And I taught them percon just means per century of
per one hundred, right, Okay, Think of money. If you
route down ten dollars and fifty two cents, what then

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would be at the point zero two the two cents right,
two cents, the five would be.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
The five would be what the I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:20:19):
The point five to two point five two.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
Got you?

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yep.

Speaker 8 (01:20:23):
Five is fifty cents right, right, So you get two
cents on the one hundred, right, So the point zero
two is two cents per hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Okay, So point zero two of one hundred million mm
hm is.

Speaker 8 (01:20:41):
And you just add all the zeros at the end
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
One it's one fifth of one percent, which is two
hundred grand right.

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
One fifth one percent? Yes, yes, you are correcting that, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Okay, it is fascinating, Mark, because here's the thing. What's
fascinating to me. I can multiply numbers in my head instantly.
I can figure out yeah, five percent instantly. You get
into stuff like that, and it literally is like algebra
to me. I mean I can tell you, like right now,
I can tell you off the top of my head.
Botta Boom butter Bing, Indiana. In the eighty seven tournament.
They defeated Vegas ninety seven ninety three, Syracuse seventy four

(01:21:19):
to seventy three, Fairfield ninety two to fifty eight, Auburn
one oh seven, ninety Duke eighty eight eighty two, Lsu
seventy seven to seventy six. There's your eighty seven tournament run, right.
But you go into something like that and it is
literally a foreign language. Jimmy yea, the brain is a fascinating,
fascinating landscape, right, you are correct.

Speaker 8 (01:21:36):
In middle school, I grew up Minnesota and my team,
of course was the Twins. And that was back in
rod Crue, Harmon Killebrew.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:21:47):
All those guys. I would sit there and probably like you,
being a nerd, I would listen to the game on
the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Now, Jared's the nerd. Jake is the colde ad Jared Nerd, you.

Speaker 8 (01:21:58):
Know I got mixed up. I got a nick.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
I'm just saying, Mark, no, listen, I get it. It's fascinating.
I mean the way the things that we can compute
and factor in fascinating. And by the way, we still
have tickets to good Way, do we not, Eddie? We
do all right? Two nine ten seventy the telephone number
for the Dropkick Murphy's. We're not No math will be involved, right,
No math will be involved. If you want the tickets

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for Tuesday night to see the Dropkick Murphy's at the
Frowise Amphitheater, and that is a fabulous facility. I'm telling you,
like that venue alone, just to go. And I'm going
to a show coming up in a couple of weeks
at Rock the Ruins and I'm not even familiar with
the acts. I just love live music. Outside sitting there
listening to live music, everything about it is awesome. So

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if you are wanting to go and just simply partake
in the atmosphere and environment of a live show, live music,
then right now is your chance to do it. Eddie.
We are going to do this in what fashion, No
math involved. Show trivia, show trivia Okay, who do we
have lined up?

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
We've got three callers. We'll just do this blindly, four colors. Now,
we'll go a call it the line four.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Okay, Lot four, Roulette style. You are on the air.
What is your name, sir or madam?

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Tracy?

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Tracy Foreigner, my man, Tracy is my man, Tracy. Let
me tell you something we were just talking about. You
heard Mark talking about, you know, from a special education standpoint,
his teaching. And I'm gonna say it right now, Tracy,
I hope you don't mind me putting this on the spot,
but as we know, your son has done not one,

(01:23:33):
but two different artistic pieces for me and my family.
And I know that he went through a different curriculum
in school, but his skill and his talent is the absolute, absolute,
right there. Emphasis on the fact that everybody has their
own bit of contribution and his skill set is unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (01:23:55):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 9 (01:23:56):
Man is, everybody has the thing. You just have to
find people that can help you find your thing.

Speaker 8 (01:24:04):
And that's not always the.

Speaker 9 (01:24:05):
Case, but I have I have been the benefit of
that for many, many years. I actually posted on Facebook
today a picture of my empty front porch because Brownsburg
Public Schools started school today and it's the first time
in twenty one years there is not going to be
a foreigner going to Brownsburg Schools.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
But anyway, so we're old. It's what you're getting at. Yeah,
you had an embraced on last time I saw you.
All right, Tracy, here we go. This is obviously going
to be an easy one. Eddie. You I will allow you,
Eddie Garrison to come up with a question, a show
trivia question.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
I'm not ready for this. Uh yeah, I'm not good
at this, Jake.

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
Maybe I should come up and want reddy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
All right, Tracy, here's I'll give you a show trivia question.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
You ready.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Listen?

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Dude?

Speaker 9 (01:24:55):
You know I love you and my listening is sporadic
because I'm old. It's terrestrial, so when I'm in the car.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
So okay, take it easy on you. If you don't
get this one right, Tracy, if you don't get this
one right, then then we're done. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
I mean it's that that's how easy this this lamp is?

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
You ready?

Speaker 9 (01:25:13):
Wait a minute, We're supposed to go to the Maritimes
Sailors Cathedral and Michigan.

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
That lighthouse.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
That's the that's depending upon Tracy Forearner. You knowing this question?
You ready?

Speaker 9 (01:25:28):
Do you know what today is?

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Today? Is today the twenty eighth or twenty ninth of July?

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
What happened earth day?

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
July thirty? Hit me with it?

Speaker 9 (01:25:38):
Well, it became I became aware of this true historical
fact from my obsession with the movie Jaws.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Oh, the sinking of the USS Indianapolis.

Speaker 6 (01:25:49):
Well, now I got that off Facebook, and the algorithm
could be off a the ar two.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
I think that's right though. All right, how about this one?
I just saw what band in concert two weeks ago?

Speaker 9 (01:26:00):
Well, are we talking about where you tried to give
the guy the clue? Where you're in a desert and
there's no water, but you see something that one?

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Yes, Tracy was listening or you didn't.

Speaker 9 (01:26:12):
You didn't go to that, you didn't go to the
hip hugger, but this would be on a marquis for
a place of ill repute.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Yes, Tracy was listening when I gave this exact same
trivia question, which I forgot about. All right, Tracy will
send you on your way. Man, you are the absolute best.
Eddie will get all your information, even though I probably
have it that is our friend. Formerly, of course, he
used to do a cooking show, Tracy Forner. Did you
ever see the cooking show he did, Eddie. No, he
did a little cooking show on one of the TV

(01:26:40):
stations here in town every afternoon. But Tracy is the
absolute best. The Pride of Michigan on his way to
see the Dropkick Murphy's Debbie Antonelli joining us forty five
from now. Update yesterday from Stephanie White on Caitlin Clark.
We'll discuss next, Eddie. The Fever are back in action tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yeah, Phoenix Mercury, your first time they're facing each other
and one Bona's returned.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Correct, And she actually started out to want to bontom
with Phoenix after, you know, leaving the Fever. She started
out pretty active in the scoring, you know aspect of things,
and Water's kind of found its level there and it's
tapered off just a little bit, but still one of

(01:27:27):
the storylines you will look for tonight. But the in
terms of return, we don't know yet the date for
that for Caitlin Clark. And yesterday Stephanie White was on
with me and I asked her about exactly that. Now, Eddie,
what's interesting is if you look at their schedule, and
Stephanie White had mentioned this, they basically play every other

(01:27:51):
or every third day between now and the seventeenth of August,
and then they have a five day break. And Stephanie
White made the of you know, they want to be
able to get some practices under the belt before they
bring her back in. And yes, I mean she could
begin practicing and just simply sit out games. But or

(01:28:14):
you know what I mean, Like in other words, it's
not like they're gonna wait until she's available to the
like then she's gonna start practicing. But you have to
wonder if the possibility isn't there that they go until
the seventeenth without.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Her, It would be likely, Jake, because you just don't
know how much time you're actually gonna have on the
court to practice during that stretch of play that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
You just mentioned. Yeah, that's a better way of saying, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Like you may have a couple of shoot rounds in
the morning, like they have been a couple times this
year where the Fever have not had a practice on
the day between games and they don't have a morning
shoot around. They just go to the arena of the
night they play and play the game like that's just
where they're at.

Speaker 7 (01:28:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
The the other thing, Eddie, that you look at, and
it's to say, because Kaitlyn Clark is, you know, I
mean you're talking about the best, one of the best,
if not the best players in the league. I mean,
one of the best, and certainly for this team, the
focal point of the team. But at the same time,
they have had players that have played well in her absence.

(01:29:14):
I'm not saying because of her absence, but they've had
players that have played well in her absence, and they're
starting to kind of round into form a little bit
with that, right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Yeah, a little bit. Sophie Cunningham's play has certainly stepped up,
especially now that she's in the starting lineup. She's made
multiple threes and I forget the exact number. I think
it's like five or six consecutive games. The fever of
finding stability and consistent production nightly from Kelsey Mitchell, who
was second in the WN scoring this month, and she

(01:29:43):
has the possibility of being first depending on what kind
of output she has tonight, the only player who scored
more points. And it's like we're talking about like decimal
points here, Jake. Okay, not to bring back numbers here,
but it's like less than you know, five half a points,
less than half a point between her and Asia Wilson.
So my guess is that if she has another terrific

(01:30:04):
game like she did on Sunday against Chicago where she
scored thirty five points, then you're looking at the w
player of the month potentially.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
The again game gets underway tonight, you are doing the
pre and post game. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
That is right, six forty five pre game coverage right
here on the fan John Nolan and Briogas at seven o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Okay, so everything gets underway tonight, six forty five. You
can hear that coverage. Debbie Antonelli joining us on the program.
That will be thirty five minutes from now. Off day
for the Colts. But that is not to say that
we don't have things to discuss. We'll let you know
what those things are next. You know, one thing, Colts
off day, and there are a couple of storylines to

(01:30:43):
keep an eye on that we're going to get into
here in just a second. My name is Jay Query.
Eddie Garrison the other voice you have in his program.
How is Querrying Company here in ninety three five and
one oh seven five, the fan, the company itself, all
of you, and we think all of you that take
time out of your day to listen to this program.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
How are you, Jake? We have one hour left?

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
I said? How are you Jake? We have one hour left?

Speaker 10 (01:31:04):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
I'm okay. I can't complain yesterday by the way, Yeah,
let's not get too ahead of ourselves here, you know,
I mean okay?

Speaker 10 (01:31:13):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Yeah, you were down at Cincinnati to watch the Dodgers
and the Reds, right, yeah with my mom? Yes, how
hot was it? By the way, So it was pretty
hot there for the when we got there, we got
there ninety minutes before because that's when Gate's opened. It saw
a little bit of Dodgers batting practice, walked around God's
Country that is Great American Ballpark for a little bit,
and then the sun went behind the stadium, and then

(01:31:35):
once it got dark, it got hotter again.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
It's like there was an area from like the you know,
what's a second it's ning to the seventh inning, it
was okay, and then for some reason the eighth they
just boom and got hot again. And I was like,
what in the world why the humidity went up? I mean,
it'd be my guests, I'd be mine as well.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Okay, here's an unpopular opinion for.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
You for me. Why are you saying I have an
unpopular opinion?

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
No, no, no, I'm off for an unpopular opinion for your ingestion.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
As mentioned many times, I grew up a Reds fan. Yes,
that was the first team for probably not unlike most
people in Indianapolis. That was the first major league team
that I saw play. My dad was in the steel
business and his company had season tickets to the Reds,
so we'd get, you know, five or six games a
summer probably.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
So what did he steal jake.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
People's money that wanted to buy aluminum.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Interesting, And my dad actually sold a lot of the
steel that is in Turn two of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
He sold a lot of the steel that went into
the building of the Hoosier Dome. And so at any rate,
we would go to Reds games and I loved it.
And yes, this is a childhood nostalgia speaking, I am
well aware of the fact that Riverfront Coliseum was a

(01:32:53):
riverfront stadium excuse me, was a dump. It was a
cookie cutter stadium. You know, you had the red, yellow,
green sea which was kind of fun. The blue seats,
you know, were really good seats. There was nothing about
it that was special. It looked almost identical to Bush
Stadium in Saint Louis, with the exception of the obviously
the kind of arts configurations on top of Bush Stadium.
It looked the same as Three River Stadium in Pittsburgh,

(01:33:16):
where I've been, you know, it was the Fulton County Stadium.
It was the cookie cutter multi purpose stadiums. But nostalgically speaking,
it was special to me because just that's the place
where I went and saw so many games when they
built Great American Ballpark, and it was weird for a

(01:33:36):
while there, like seeing you know, it was when they
were transferring from one to the other and seeing the
development of it there. But when they built Great American Ballpark,
I had just so many like hopes about what it
would look like, and you know, whatever else, I think
it is the most disappointing. Every time I go to it,

(01:33:57):
I'm like, it feels like a state put together by Ikea.
Like it's just like a Lego I don't know. It
feels like a generic there's no character to it. I
know that like the to me, now, you tell me
if I'm wrong, Eddie. Obviously for you though, that probably
is the first place that you watch games, right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Mm hmm, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
I just like it doesn't. I thought they had an
opportunity to really build something unique and special, and there's
nothing about that stadium that is either.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
I would say the one thing I've been to stadiums
that is one of the few where I can walk
along the concourse and still be able to watch the game.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Fair Okay, fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Whereas if I'm at actually can't do that at a
Cults game, right right, Well, yeah, if I'm at the
concourse on like another ballpark, I don't have the ability
to just be able to look to my left or
look to my right, like, oh, that's what's going on
in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
That's a good point. I mean, you certainly can do
that here at Victory Field. You can do that at Yeah,
I mean, that's that's a good point. And I don't
even know there were there were spots where you couldn't
even do that at river Front. It was kind of weird.
The way it was laid out, so that's fair, and
you can walk around it, I mean, and there are Listen,
I'm not saying that it's a terrible stadium. I just
thought there was nothing about it. I mean, the you know,

(01:35:10):
the stacks out in the outfield, I mean, I know,
it's powerful. Yeah, I mean you know, and you can
see a little bit of the river. So that's cool.
But nonetheless, but I do still like the Reds. But
I realize now as I'm an older person, I like
the nostalgia of the Reds more so than I even
like the Reds themselves well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
In large part because that's where their entire franchise success
is like totally right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
I mean, in your lifetime it's been how did you
become a Reds fan just because it's the local team
through osmosis? Because they I mean, they have not had
a lot of success in your lifetime, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
My dad.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Colts off day today and back on the practice field tomorrow.
They have a night practice tomorrow, Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Yep? First, every night practice a great not great American.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Ball, A true night practice. They have had late afternoon practices,
but this is a true night practice. Grand Park up
in Westfield, and it is cool up there for sure.
Here are the things to keep an eye on eight
pm to ten pm. Make sure you take the bug spray.
You're not kidding there, You know what do you want
to know? A bug spray?

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Hint you get you get the Centronello bracelets or something
instead of bug spray.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Really well, that sounds convenient. I was going to go
with this Avon Skinso Soft, which is a lotion. If
you put that on, it has a natural repellent on it.
And that is a well kept secret or a little
known secret about Avon Skinso Soft if they still make it.
The other is and this is very disgusting to do,
but I think it does work. Before you were like,

(01:36:43):
if you're to camp out, take two shots of vinegar.
Now that might be an old wives tale, but somebody
tell me if they've ever heard that. You take two
shots of vinegar and then it actually seeps through your
pores and yeah, I mean you smell disgusting, but mosquitoes
don't like it. So you have that going for you,
which is nice. But the Colts camp tomorrow, here's what

(01:37:04):
you want to look for. You want to look at
the quarterback, the cornerback position. What's happening in that battle
because Jalen Jones was getting a lot of competition from
Justin Wally. Justin Wally, the rookie out of Minnesota, might
actually have been at this point holding down the starting

(01:37:26):
spot at that corner position. But Jalen Jones was and
is still a guy that I think has shown a
lot of flash young player year three. But yesterday, at
the end of practice, he went down with what appears
to be a hamstring injury, and so you want to
keep an eye on what his availability will be. In
addition to that, the third member of that battle is

(01:37:51):
Juju Brentz, and Juju Brentz, even though it was not visible,
it later was stated that he also has a hamstring
issue that he is dealing with. So there's that number one.
Number two Michael Pittman Junior yesterday groin injury into practice.

(01:38:14):
Don't know the severity of that, and Pittman Junior is
one that has kind of battled through some injury issues
the last couple of years. But one thing we've learned
is that that dude is tough and is willing to
go out there and give it as all. Because he
played with pretty serious back injuries. I mean, he's and
he has been a solid, solid, reliable player obviously at

(01:38:37):
the wide receiver position as well. Alec Pierce is still
chasing a new contract. Bernard Rayman got his, Alec Pierce
one would assume will be the next but that position
also It may well be that the Colts Brass, before
offering Alec Pierce a big deal, is waiting to see

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what happens with the situation with Adie Mitchell and whether
or not Adie Mitchell is able to come out of
his shell a little bit, and if yesterday is indication
he finally is starting to turn that corner. And Adie
Mitchell yesterday had probably from a camp standpoint, his best
day as a pro. But what can you make of that,

(01:39:22):
you know, when it comes to successful practices, what can
you take from that? That's but you'd rather have that
than have the guy be, you know, in absentia when
it comes to practice. And then you have the situation
that Joela Erickson mentioned earlier, which I found interesting because

(01:39:43):
I really did think this situation had already sorted itself out.
But Danny Pinter now is starting to get some reps
at the center position and Bordolini, who I thought was
a kind of a solid go and there was not
much debate there. That battle seems to be heating up

(01:40:04):
a little bit. One position that's of interest to me,
Eddie is that of the linebackers, because we haven't really
heard much about linebackers at all, and in this defense
with lou Anarumo, and I know that it is a
defense that is very reliant on aggression and a lot
of different looks from the defensive backfield situation and you're
in getting after it with your front foor but presenting
different looks. And you know, we know Zire Franklin is

(01:40:27):
a guy that stockpiled a bunch of stats for them
over the last couple of years. But we have not
heard a lot about elsewhere, just the overall standout or
lack thereof at other positions from the linebacking corps.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
You know where what other position group? We haven't heard
anything from either kicker, Well, no, that's a battle defensive end.
I haven't heard anything about you know, layout to a
Latsu quitty pay or good good point Sampson Abacoman pressing
it all.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
That doesn't it kind of feel though, like that's one
that you. We probably haven't heard as much about that
one because you feel the most confident there. I think,
quitt he pay, quit he pay?

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
To me.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
The Alex Smith rule. If you're a regular listener of
this program, first my apologies and secondly.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
We welcome you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
That's right, we thank you. But you've heard me mention
a lot the Alex Smith rule. And that's the example
I always give. You know, Alex Smith, when he was
drafted as the number one overall pick in the draft
and was drafted by San Francisco, underachieved in San Francisco

(01:41:38):
based on what you would expect from a number one
overall pick, and then he gets a new lease on
life both in Kansas City and Washington and turned into
a really good player. And for those two franchises he
was a really good player and a really good value
because they did not put the investment into him that
San Francisco had. So you are judged sometimes based on

(01:41:58):
where and how you are acquired and quity pay because
he was a first round pick. And I can't remember
actually now that I say that, I always get this confused.
I know, Alec Pierce, this is the case. Was quit
he pay a first round pick, or was he the
first pick that they took in a year where they
didn't have a first rounder?

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
He was a first round.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Okay, He's been a solid player, not great, and when
you look at first round picks, you expect him to
be great certain positions. When you take a guy in
the first round, you assume you never hear their name
if you're going to draft, and I think Ryan Kelly

(01:42:36):
is another one. Might not have been a first rounder,
but was the first pick taken in a year where
they didn't have a first round. I could be wrong
in that as well, but Ryan Kelly at the very least,
like you know, late twenties, whatever it was when you
drafted Ryan Kelly. The center position is one that's kind
of a thankless position. But if you don't hear the
guy's name a lot, it means he's pretty darn good.

(01:42:57):
I mean, Jeff Saturday was a little bit different because
he was a color personality and Ryan Kelly was a
very mature spokesperson for that franchise and that team. But
in terms of his play, you know, you don't analyze
it a lot because it's just solid and consistent and
you know what you're getting. And I think that there
was with Quitty Pay. The defensive end position is one

(01:43:19):
that solid play equates into headline or big name stuff,
and he hasn't been that, but he's been solid. The
Forest Buckner is you know, you hear his name a
lot because he is in an upper echelon. Guy Pay
is an interesting one because is he he is one

(01:43:40):
that could go elsewhere and have if he had the
exact same numbers he has right now, then people would
probably say if they signed him as a free agent
or something, They're like, yeah, he's been good. He's a
good player. But you feel a little disappointed by it
because you anticipated and we are so in this market
and in this media standpoint and from the fan base standpoint,

(01:44:04):
we are spoiled because and I know one of them
was a late round pick, but we're spoiled because we
just assumed that having to bookend pass rushers that collapse
in from either side was the norm, because it became
the norm to us. And when you've got Freenie and
mathis on either side, I mean two heat seeking missiles.
You know that became the norm. And then it's like

(01:44:29):
the quarterback position. You've been chasing it ever since. But
those are the things.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
We haven't talked a lot, Eddie, to be honest with
you about the kicker position, but that's one that do
but kickers in the NFL are kickers to a franchise.
There are not many areas where fantasy football is real football.
That's why it's called fantasy football. But having said that,

(01:44:57):
in fantasy football, do you play fantasy football?

Speaker 7 (01:44:59):
Eddie?

Speaker 6 (01:44:59):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Are you one of these guys that has like seven teams?

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
I'll have like four or five.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
You have four or five teams?

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Yeah, one of them will be the show League like
last year.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
So do you have team names?

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
I haven't drafted yet.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
No, No, no team. Do you have a name for your teams?

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
I haven't drafted yet.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Do you have Do you call your team something.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
I will when I draft? Yeah? I wait to make
my team names until I draft because I like to
base my team name off of somebody I drafted.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
Wait, so you're saying that if you were an NFL owner,
give me a franchise at the top of your head
not named the Colts Cincinnati Bengals. So if you were
the Cincinnati Bengals, you would petition to change it to
the Cincinnati Burroughs. No so like for example, or you'd
call it like the Chase and one Ninnati Chase. And
one league I have Bjon Robinson, So my team name

(01:45:58):
is bet Bath of Pajan. Okay, it's not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
And then there was one league where I had Elik Neighbors,
and I said, neighbors, what's that again? Neighbors touched my pinnix.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Okay, Okay, that that seems not only uncomfortable, but like
some sort of a bad, you know, special presentation after
school special, you know what I mean, Like Conrad Bain
is gonna come out beforehand and tell people that it's
an uncomfortable subject, but it's an important show to watch.

(01:46:37):
So you wait until you have your roster and then
you come up with your team name. Yes, now, okay,
I'm very proud of this. The very first fantasy football
league I ever did. Okay Gunner from q ninety five
years ago. I worked at the cigar store and broad
A Bowl. This was nineteen ninety probably five, maybe six.

(01:46:58):
I worked a cigar store in Broaderpool. We had a
number of customer great dudes. Paul Oaford was one of
the guy's names. Joel Johnson, who was a great dude,
was one of them. Mark Barnhardt known as Barney. These
guys were in a fantasy league and they would come
in the cigar store and they're like, Hey, do you
want to play in our fantasy football league? And literally
I'm like, what is fantasy football? Well? You would draft guys,

(01:47:18):
I mean, no one. It was the brand that this
was dial up internet days. It was so primitive that
each week Gunner would print out the results and then
walk around to the different places and deliver them. So
every Monday, Gunner would come into the cigar store and
deliver me my fantasy football results because it took too
long to download on the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
But the one thing, and this was the fun thing
about it, the one thing that was the rule of
this league was you had to your team had to
be named by location for a city that didn't have
a pro sports team with a name matching like somehow
that went with the city. So the very first year

(01:48:01):
that I did it, I was the Charleston Cavalry. Not bad, right,
pretty strong. Second year I did it and I even
had a logo made the second year and I was
so proud of this the rule was that unless you
like finished first year division, you had to completely you
had to move your franchise. So year two I was
the Baton Rouge Bayonets, and the logo was the B

(01:48:23):
and the R and the two little swivels of the
R the two whatever you call it or the R
were two cross Bayonets. It was so I mean, it
was badass, if you want me to be honest with you,
But I didn't have to wait for my roster. But
at any rate, when you do a roster in fantasy football, eddie,
are you like most people where unless you are getting

(01:48:45):
one of the like say three to four premier kickers,
then a lot of times what you do in fantasy
league is like you draft your kicker in the eighth
or tenth round or whatever, and literally you just hold
on to them until they're on a bye wee and
you don't even keep them on the bye week. You
drop them and you just pick up whatever carre. Yeah, Okay,
Miami's kicker is available and take him this week.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
It depends on you know what type of If you
have Brandon Aubrey, like I said, if you've got the
top three or five, I get. But I'm with him there.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
Yeah, So the Colts went last year from a kicker standpoint,
the Colts went with the we feel we have a
top guy kicker, and they went out and they signed
Matt Gay two years ago or whatever it was, and
they gave him a huge contract, huge free agency contract.
And one of the things about Matt Gay that to

(01:49:33):
me was concerning is the wrong word, but I think
had to be considered is simply the fact that Matt
Gay there was precedent there. And I mean this with
the utmost respect to him, but I mean we had
him on the show when he first signed here, and
I talked to him about this. Matt Gay had had

(01:49:57):
some challenges in his profession career. There is no position
that is more I think like mental than kicking. And
he was open about the fact, and I commend him
for it. He was open about the fact that he
had had challenges from a mental standpoint when it came

(01:50:20):
to kicking earlier in his career. And then once he
got over that, he was one of the best kickers
in the league, the most accurate. It's why he got
a huge contract. But then once he just once he
got into kind of a rut again and started missing kicks,
and I think there might have been some injury there.
But what's interesting is again when Gay was missing kicks

(01:50:44):
and Chris Baler was asked about it, Chris Ballard was adamant,
this is not a concern, not a concern. The guy's
a good kicker. He just you know, he's working through
I think it was a groin or whatever, which I mean,
I understand that's pretty severe for a kicker. And obviously
the concern was there because they decided to go in
another direction. So now that they have an open kicking

(01:51:07):
competition and one of those two is a guy that's
been with them for you know, off and on and
through camps, you wonder if they're not going with the
mentality now or with the you know, Spencer Schrader I
think is going to be the guy. But you wonder
if they're not kind of going with that fantasy football
approach of just like yeah, you know what I mean,

(01:51:28):
like we we have to put our eggs in other baskets.
We've got to focus on other positions, and let's just
bring in somebody at the kicker position that you know,
we're good at that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Point, can you even name the other guy that's in
the kicking competition with Spencer Trader.

Speaker 1 (01:51:45):
How many guesses are you gonna give me here, Eddie?

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
I mean as you'd like.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
Would you like to go? Are we going initials? Or
are we just going straight up name? Are we going college?
You have me to tell you the college as well,
Spencer Strader? Would you agree is the guy?

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
I would assume so, I mean, that's who we assume
is going to be the guy. Okay, but I mean
you're wanting to know, and you're you're throwing me a
curveball here because his last name is very tricky, but
I just call him Ma Addox.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Okay, is it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Trulio? Am I saying?

Speaker 2 (01:52:21):
Or something like that?

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Temple?

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Yeah? Okay, yes, started at Austin p then went to Temple.

Speaker 1 (01:52:31):
Now are you going to give me any credit there
at all?

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
I'm sure you just looked it up over there. You
can go back and look at the monitor. You can,
you can review the tape. I don't want to look
at your search, your tree. I don't know where you're.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
Looking up over there? Watches. Do you know what's in
this noggin? I mean, I mean, honestly, I don't even
want to know that. I don't even want to know
what's in that noggin. You know, Kylon yesterday told me
she's impressed by my memory.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Oh goodness island. Rule number one don't compliment.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Shit told me that twice, so I wouldn't forget.

Speaker 2 (01:53:05):
Rule number one, don't compliment Chack. Why not? Because then
it's just because I don't need any more of it.
As what you're saying, Yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
I'm used to it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
Before you know it, your head's going to be the
size of mine. If you get more comments like.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
That, what sized hat do you wear? Large? It is?
It is definitely that anyway, those are the things to
look out for in Colts camp. And you know, with
the off day to day we can go on and
on and on about that, but I think tomorrow it'll
be cool. It is very fun. If you've not been
to Grand Park, it's an amazing facility and the Colts,

(01:53:44):
of course, their training camp is right there. I kind
of feel bad for the Indie eleven because the Indie
eleven the other day when I got there, the Indie
eleven were in the middle of practice and you've got
you know, they're out there trying to practice and the
coach is telling out to them like different formations, and
they were working on them all while you could hear
like the roar of the crowd because Ady Mitchell just
caught his fifth straight pass. But at night in particular,

(01:54:08):
I'm curious of this, and people, let me know if
you notice it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Proud of you for not making some joke there about
ad Mental just catching a pass. Well that too, I mean, listen,
you take what you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
Can get here, right, yeah, but I'm curious tomorrow night
for the night practice. When people arrive and they're walking
into Grand Park, it is fascinating because you can tell
this is an area that was literally farmland like fifteen
years ago, and there's one and I'm always proud of
the holdout. I'm always proud of the holdout. Like when
you go to you know, you're in some suburban area

(01:54:38):
and there's a strip mall and then you see one
little ranch house that's just surrounded by a bed bathroom
beyond or bed bathroom bijan if Eddie owns it, and
a Chucky cheese and then oddly a hustler store all
right there, and then there's one ranch house and you're like,
you know what that guy did not sell out. Good
for him, he stood his ground. There's somebody there in
Grand Park and they've got a rooster and the rooster
when I would do the morning show and we'd show

(01:54:59):
up the rooster, b what do you call crowing? Is
that what you call when a rooster calling?

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
Calling?

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
It was a rooster call. I think that's right, Yeah,
whatever you call it. So, and he's he's getting after
it in the morning, letting everybody know he's awake. And
then I noticed the other day when I was leaving.
I don't know if he's if his body's on specific
time or what, but he was doing it again. And
so I'm curious if he's doing it at night or
does a rooster sleep at night.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
I'm also curious if there's gonna be enough parking. Jake,
you know it's Thursday. These high school are not high school,
but these.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Travel ball tournaments there are big tournaments going on. They
start shirt and they start on Thursday. Oh they do. Yeah,
but that's on the baseball diamonds, right, I know. But still, Jake,
I mean Grand Park. You know, it's it's a couple
of you got lot you got Lot B, you got
Lot C, and then you got lot D and E
and it's a lot E is what you want to park?

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
You got all you got? I you got J as well.
Oh yeah, do you spend a lot of time up there?
I played up there a time or two. I had
a brother that played up there, and had a sister
that played up there. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Grand Park by the way on the boundary of the
former three J Thunder Island, which is now Finally they
took it down and my buddy Greg Bell and I
went through and found the remnants of it like three
years ago, and it was eerie seeing where the water
slides were in the go kart track. But now they're
talking about building another water park up near there, and
I'm thinking, well, why did you tear down the one before?

(01:56:16):
It was great, it was fabulous, but I guess you
had to build Grand Park. Did you ever hit a
home run there? How many career home runs did you
have in high school? None?

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Really?

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
What was your batting average?

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Like two seventy eighty?

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
Not bad?

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Also, Decater as one of the biggest parks in the state,
so they do. The dimensions are almost identical to Victory Field.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
Really, so what what school has the shortest like it
almost seems like in high school they should have a
uniform dimensions, right, I mean, it seems like that would
be a fair way of doing Evian.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Christian had a beautiful field, but it was like super
short to left and right, and it was deep in
the alleys left, center, right, center, and center. Martinsville is
a short one. North Central is a short one.

Speaker 5 (01:57:09):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
Interesting you mentioned that when I was in North Central.
When I was in high school Moorsville, they got every
baseball player four foot eleven turf field and then the
ball just fly.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
Out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Now, I had no idea that Whiteland has a massive,
he massive field as well.

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
Fotball helmets.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
Yeah, you know that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
You've seen the subtlety in the Whiteland helmet design, right,
I know. Pull it up. Once you see it, you'll
never unsee it. Pull up the Whiteland High School football
logo on their helmets, and once you see it, you'll
never unsee it. It's amazing. Whoever designed it is a genius.
It is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Oh, I see it. Things right out Warriors.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
Yes, it's written in the headdress of the design. It's brilliant.
Debbie Antonelli, who is also brilliant will join us next.
The Fever are in action tonight, taking on the Phoenix Mercury.
You know, when you really think about it, when you
get fever and mercury in the same building, things are hot, right.

(01:58:17):
The same for when they face Connecticut. You've got the
Fever in the sun. Yeah, imagine that fortune. Yeah, I mean,
you know, the mercury in the sun. I mean I
never really thought about this until now, but it makes
perfect sense because I don't know if you know, there's
not Eddie but outside right now, especially with that corn
sweat one hundred and sixteen degrees.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Tell you what the mercury is up there on the thermometer.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
It is. But the Fever are hoping that their hot
play can continue. They've won two in a row. But
there are a lot of question mark, question marks, wrong word,
a lot of things to discuss though, because of where
they navigate now through. Without Caitlin Clark joining us now
on the program, a return guest to the show and
always happy to have her. Debbie Antonelli, who you see
doing television work, is the analyst for the Fever. Debbie,

(01:58:57):
how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:58:59):
What's up?

Speaker 10 (01:59:00):
Jake? And Yeah, let's hope that there's a lot of
hot hands in the gym tonight, that their offense is
fast and furious.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Okay, I want to get to that because and I've
talked about this with Stephanie White, but I want your
thoughts on it, DeBie, in terms of the way that
you watch it and how they're navigating this, and that
is there is no denying and we know this that
Caitlin Clark is the straw that mixes the drink for
the fever in a perfect situation. But when you remove that,

(01:59:27):
then you have this kind of balance between sustaining until
she returns or if you don't know when that's going
to be moving forward without her. And I know that
that sounds ridiculous, but I think you get what I'm
saying there. Let's begin with the first part. They have
been able to play without her because they have utilized
or taken advantage of what.

Speaker 4 (01:59:49):
Their overall team depth.

Speaker 10 (01:59:51):
Right now, Kelsey Mitchell's thirty one minutes a game, Aliah Boston.

Speaker 4 (01:59:55):
Thirty minutes a game. Everyone else is less than that.

Speaker 10 (01:59:58):
So I thought Stephanie White staff continue to do a
great job of balancing out to change in the rhythm
of the game and One of the ways you can
do that is with the.

Speaker 4 (02:00:09):
Depth of the team, the schemes.

Speaker 10 (02:00:11):
You can call time out, you can substitute, There's a
lot of things you can do to change the rhythm.
But I think that they have done a really good
job of keeping their depth as a focal point.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
And then the other question with that Debbie becomes when
Caitlyn Clark returns, and we can get into the win
in a second, but when she does, clearly she is
an elite player, But do you have to kind of
slowly reacclimate that because of getting used to or finding
your way through without her in that lineup.

Speaker 10 (02:00:43):
I definitely think there's some acclamation to weeding her back in,
if you will, And it seems like such a soft
term to use. I mean, obviously, when you've got the
elite level skill set, the all star power that Caitlin
brings on the floor.

Speaker 4 (02:00:59):
When you look at.

Speaker 10 (02:00:59):
Her numbers, last year she took fourteen and a half
shots a game.

Speaker 4 (02:01:02):
This year she's taking fifteen.

Speaker 10 (02:01:04):
It's not that big of a difference in terms of
the number of shots, but her impact, her influence on pace,
on space, and certainly and making everyone else better, which
is hard to measure in any sort of statistical category.
Those are things that you have to acclimate Caitlin into
with the speed and the rhythm of the game.

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
When you look Debbie, and this is going to sound
like I'm being critical, I please understand that's not where
this is coming from. Okay, But when you look at
for example, you know Kelsey Mitchell, who has played really
well in the absence, and you talk about the fact
that Aliah Buston becomes a little more focal in terms
of their offense, and we know how gifted she can
be on the low post, but is winning that way

(02:01:46):
and playing that way without her sustainable.

Speaker 10 (02:01:50):
I don't think that you, in the back of your
mind believe that you're going to be at your best
until you have Caitlin one hundred percent. So having said that,
I think the player have to take it to the
next level.

Speaker 4 (02:02:01):
And everyone has done that.

Speaker 10 (02:02:03):
Now, does Aliah Boston get the same number of field
goal attempts without Caitlin or does she catch the ball
in the same quality of shot area that she's really
good in.

Speaker 4 (02:02:11):
No, I would say that doesn't happen.

Speaker 10 (02:02:13):
But part of that is because of what Indiana runs
and the offense that they run and Kelsey Mitchell is
on fire. But she was on fire at this point
last year. When you look at her numbers from last
year to this year, she is sustaining that elite level play.
I actually watched her today go through a shooting workout today, Jake.
I mean, look, this is the morning of the game,
and I'm watching Kelsey go through the different spots and

(02:02:36):
shots that she's going to get on the floor, working
on her footwork, working on her cuts and her different
movements without the ball. Look, she sustains a high level
of excellence. It's not a surprise to any of us
that have been watching Kelsey for a long time what
she's capable of doing. I thought she put up those
same numbers on the floor with Caitlin. I think she's
getting a chance to get a few more shots per

(02:02:58):
game without Caitlin. That's a good thing for the Fever
because they need her scoring to be able to win.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
You know, when you talk about Debbie Antonelli is our guest,
we're talking about the Indiana Fever. Caitlin Clark in terms
of the number of shots that she was taking, and
then we saw her shooting percentage really go down, especially
from the outside. Do we have enough now that we
can say that that is that that was injury related?

Speaker 10 (02:03:22):
Do you think I personally think so after watching Caitlin
for as many years and knowing as a shooter that
she certainly has the ability to self correct and she
has the ability to get her muscle.

Speaker 4 (02:03:34):
Memory where it needs to be. I've talked about this
with you before about shooters.

Speaker 5 (02:03:38):
You know, when your.

Speaker 10 (02:03:39):
Footwork and your base and your balance isn't what it
needs to be. Just think about let your back hurts
a little bit, or when your knee aches and you
can't do the things that you typically do as a
regular person.

Speaker 4 (02:03:49):
And then you compound that with.

Speaker 10 (02:03:51):
The types of injuries that she's had and how that
affects her ability to navigate space on the floor. Maybe
her step back isn't as far back as it's then
maybe it's off by a little bit of a rhythm.
There's certain things that shooters know about, you know, the
bottom part of their shot versus the top part of
their shot, because there's two different things there. Right the
bottom your footwork, your load to high, your load.

Speaker 4 (02:04:14):
Where you catch the ball.

Speaker 10 (02:04:16):
Then the top part where your hands are do you
have to drop your hands on a pass or your
hands up, but where's her follow through? There's so many
technical things that I don't worry about that stuff With Caitlin.
I clearly think that injury has played a role in
her not being able to shoot the ball as efficiently
as she's done it in the past. But then we're
at twenty six games, Jake, and she's played thirteen and

(02:04:36):
she's missed thirteen. It's been in and out all year,
so she personally has not been able to get in
much of a rhythm.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
Debbie when we talked, I talked to yesterday to Stephanie
White about just the overall evolution of the WNBA and
the number of different styles that coach White has to
prepare for versus say, if you were coming up with
game planning twenty years ago. Because the game has evolved,
but it also the women's game has evolved. Has that

(02:05:03):
trickled down to you now that we have an entire
and I think it's easy to forget this. We have
now college basketball players who have never known different than
seeing women playing at the professional level. And to be
someone sometimes you have to see someone. And if you
look back at your playing career at NC State and

(02:05:25):
you look at the style of college play today. Are
we seeing now the overall level and versatility of the
game at the college level being benefit from an entire
generation of seeing that example before them.

Speaker 4 (02:05:41):
I don't think there's any question.

Speaker 10 (02:05:42):
And that is a beautiful thing and a wonderful statement
that we have incredible skill set at the elite level
with the best players in the world showcasing that on
a platform that everyone can consume. And you're watching all
these little young girls come up that are learning how
to play the game because emulating what a Caitlin Clark
might do, or what in the Leeah Boston or Kelsey

(02:06:04):
Mitchell might do.

Speaker 4 (02:06:05):
I think that's a wonderful thing.

Speaker 10 (02:06:07):
And yes, back in the day, we didn't run any
ball screens. We ran everything off the ball. And now
you do see a trickle down from what comes internationally
or NBA internationally.

Speaker 4 (02:06:18):
Into the women's game.

Speaker 10 (02:06:19):
And you know what we have as a hidden jewel
or gem on our staff in Lynn Dunn. There are
a lot of intricacies that Lynn Dunn has brought to
the game that we have all learned from. She brought
horns from the NBA into the WNBA. She inverted on
out of bounce plays defensively, which is something that no
one was doing. So yes, I do think that there

(02:06:40):
is a pass through and I do think it is
passing through and that is part of the reason why
our game is at such a good level right now
and the product is so good. That's why the young players,
the rookie class can come in and have an immediate impact.
It's fun to watch, it's exciting, and it's really good
for the future growth of the league.

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
I'd like to take a road trip with Linda. I'd
like from here, just drive like from here to Wyoming
with Lynn Dunn. It would be non stop hilarity, would
it not.

Speaker 10 (02:07:06):
Lynn Dunn can tell you what Los Angeles and or
Chicago might have run for Candas Parker in the third
quarter on an out of bounds play in.

Speaker 2 (02:07:15):
The second Yeah, I mean, it's amazing.

Speaker 10 (02:07:18):
Jotted down and she has such incredible knowledge. She is
such a savant when it comes to the game and
the intricacies of the game. And she's, you know, serving
a very important role with the Indiana Fever, which she
has served for many years.

Speaker 1 (02:07:32):
Okay, Debbie Antonelli our guest. Of course, you see her
on Fever Games as the television analyst for the Indiana
Fever Fever and Action Tonight taken on Phoenix pregame with
Eddie at six forty five. Debbie, you know I'm going
to ask you this before we let you go, and
this is something we have discussed before, but I want
to revisit it. I think it's important. This is in
Indiana right now, I mean literally this week. Teachers are

(02:07:53):
back in school, kids are getting ready to go back
in school at most of the schools here. For people
that are listening that have young students that are getting
ready to go back to school, we just talked about
the importance of sometimes to be something. You've got to
see something. And for those kids that are going back
to school that are going back as your son Frankie did,

(02:08:14):
in special ed that want to be and have visions
and dreams and hopes and aspirations just like kids that
are in the normal general education classes. What can somebody
who is a parent of a general education student say
to or encourage to their child right now at the
start of the school year to get things started on

(02:08:34):
the right foot for those that are in special education,
that can allow those special ed kids to see what
it is that they two can be. What can a
general ed student be encouraged to do or say?

Speaker 10 (02:08:47):
Jake, this is one of the reasons why I will
always say yes to having a chance to be on
your show because you have always allowed me to talk
hoops and then use my basketball platform to share what's
really important and what basketball has taught me and how
we've gone about raising Frankie. Today, ironically, is Frankie's twenty
eighth birthday.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
Outstanding.

Speaker 10 (02:09:08):
My son, Yes with Down syndrome is living independently with support,
holding two jobs now granted he works a three or
four hour shift, and he has friends that he socializes
with and he has a full, complete, living his best life.
It is a village that is required to have somebody

(02:09:29):
with special needs to be able to live a full,
complete life that is healthy and has options to make
healthy choices and can thrive. If you're a parent and
you have a kid, and you haven't talked about tolerating
differences and showing empathy and working on your emotional like
you even as a young person, these are things that

(02:09:52):
as you grow, you're going to be a part of
society that is ever changing with people that are different.
Everyone has something Everyone has something different if you just
take the time. There's two cliches that I often quote
that I do not like. Do not judge a book
by its cover. And you don't know anything about somebody
till you.

Speaker 4 (02:10:10):
Walk a mile on their shoes.

Speaker 10 (02:10:12):
If you're making a judgment, take a step back, take
a deep breath and think about what you would do
if you were that parent of that child with special needs.
How would you approach them and what would you say
to them? And how can you help everyone around you.

Speaker 4 (02:10:27):
Be happy, healthy and involved. That's the way we've raised
our three boys. Those are the three most important things.

Speaker 10 (02:10:33):
That we talked about all the time. And making good
choices and making a good choice would be making a
new friend.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
Yeah, I was going to say, sometimes as simple as hey,
you want to sit with us at lunch today, That
can go a long long way, right it can?

Speaker 10 (02:10:46):
And then if you can follow up with it, because
it's just like any other networking opportunity, if you spin
it back, you know, we're all trying to network to
advance whatever we want to do.

Speaker 4 (02:10:56):
So you meet new people so that you can.

Speaker 10 (02:10:58):
Build a bigger circle. Think about that as a kid
at lunch. If you invite him to sit down that
don't let that be the only time or the one
time you do it. Continue to invite that kid to
do something else with you, and maybe it's something outside
of school, because that will matter more than you ever realize,
and it could have an.

Speaker 4 (02:11:15):
Indelible impression on yourself.

Speaker 10 (02:11:17):
It's not just about the kid with special needs, it's
about everybody else.

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
Well, our friend Fulton said he just blew out twenty
six birthday candles last week, and now Frankie does two better,
twenty eight of them he'll blow out today. Tell him
happy birthday from us. All right, Yeah, thank Jake. Love
being on with you guys. Enjoying the game tonight. I
appreciate it. Debbie Antonella joining us Fever and Action tonight
against seven o'clock against Phoenix six forty five. Pregame with Eddie.

(02:11:42):
Well come back. We'll put a tie on all of it.
We'll hand it off to John as well querying company
here on the fan. You know this is Eddie money.
And I don't know if you know this or not, Eddie,
but oftentimes I refer to you as Eddie loose change.

Speaker 2 (02:11:54):
Oh really, so you know?

Speaker 1 (02:11:55):
Yeah, I mean close, right, I mean close, but not
necessarily the full that's rude. Just so you know, well,
you can name your fantasy football team that if you get,
if you had Eddie Murray as your kicker, you could
call yourself what would you call it?

Speaker 2 (02:12:08):
Well, well, let's see hold on in the Querying Company
League last year, I did not name my team after
a player on my team. I went with the Watermelon
Commies last year.

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
That's solid and.

Speaker 2 (02:12:20):
We were victorious with the league. So got to like that, right,
got around the bank?

Speaker 7 (02:12:26):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:12:27):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:12:28):
You wore Victoria's last year.

Speaker 3 (02:12:29):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:12:29):
You made a late move, didn't you.

Speaker 3 (02:12:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
I did, banged up, got healthy. There we go, one
of those teams that that got hot, got into the
I'm not mistaken after round and found out. Do you
remember last year you were the commissioner, right?

Speaker 2 (02:12:43):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
Didn't you have to undo a transaction that I had
made because like and you were understanding of it. There
was there was some weird thing remember where I was
going through and I was trying to start a player
and I and it like it like waved it.

Speaker 2 (02:12:59):
Drop to the player. Yeah, on accident.

Speaker 1 (02:13:01):
Yes, I think it was Tyreek Hill maybe maybe, Yeah,
I'm like, yeah, I didn't mean to drop him, and
so I immediately called you know, yeah, I get it
because it was easier to do than you think.

Speaker 2 (02:13:09):
Right, Yeah, I will not make the mistake. So you
can draft this year of doing it during the show.
We should get Chicago'sizza on board and do a draft party.

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
Yeah, draft party. Chicago's pizzaud be awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:13:22):
Since eighteen Central and being a location, Jake, I'm sure
twenty five state wide, we can find somewhere.

Speaker 3 (02:13:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:13:28):
You know, they have a location in French Lick. You know,
I've never been to French Lick, Indiana.

Speaker 2 (02:13:31):
Neither of That's the second time I've had this conversation
in the last twenty four hours. You know, we should
you know what we should do. We could do a
little double date.

Speaker 1 (02:13:39):
We'll take uh, we'll go down go to French Lick
and go to Chicago's Pzaza and have dinner. That would
be nice, sake, Olivia, take Shannon down there. Oh, oh,
what's what's that? I thought I was just gonna be
us two bros. Yeah, just a couple of dudes driving
down to Prince Lick together.

Speaker 2 (02:13:55):
Yeah, you know, not all of that at all.

Speaker 1 (02:13:59):
I noticed you wearing. Also, is this a new fever
t shirt you have on?

Speaker 2 (02:14:02):
Yeah? Shout out to Eddie White and the Peper over
It pay Sports Entertainment. They gave me a goodie bag
last week when you're at when you weren't here, they
dropped off a couple of shirts for me.

Speaker 1 (02:14:13):
Okay, I'm going to put you on the spot with
a trivia question. And I now when I do this
sometimes and you tell me if you have the right
to defer, I am not going to be just if
you'd like. There are times, admittedly with you where I'll
ask a question like the Beatles and you didn't know, Hey, Jude,
and I'm like what This is not going to be

(02:14:33):
one of those times. I would actually be impressed if
you do know. But I'm curious just because of the
the antiquated nature of what I'm about to ask. Okay, Okay,
do you know the significance of the shirt that I'm wearing.

Speaker 2 (02:14:51):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:14:53):
I wonder if Jeff Ricker's just in here would know.
I'll bet he would know. J and B will absolutely know.
But I don't blame you for not knowing. Edy. It
would have surprised. I would have been very impressed if
you didn't know, John, do you know the significance of
the shirt that I'm wearing.

Speaker 2 (02:15:08):
The Red's made a Tree? Yes, breaking Away?

Speaker 1 (02:15:11):
Correct, I'm wearing the cutters shirt from Breaking Away?

Speaker 3 (02:15:13):
Breaking Away?

Speaker 1 (02:15:14):
Now do you know what number it is? Because they
all wore the same number. Do you remember that twenty three.

Speaker 2 (02:15:20):
Thirty four?

Speaker 1 (02:15:21):
I don't remember the significance of why they all had.

Speaker 2 (02:15:23):
Three forty three for some reason. But no, great movie
is always funny.

Speaker 11 (02:15:27):
We would watch it and then I'd have friends and say, hey,
that's my parents' car, like you'd be.

Speaker 2 (02:15:32):
They'd get a shot a.

Speaker 11 (02:15:33):
Thirst tree in front of really well, I think it
was Pagali's pizza place that was there. That's been Jay
Arthur's and I just been Malibu Grill now, that.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
Pizza place right there on the square, right, Yeah, And
that was so what they would have filmed that. I'm
guessing the movie came out in seventy nine. They would
have had to have filmed it in the summer seventy eight,
probably seventy eight. Yeah, summer of seventy eight. Their shots
of Clear Creek down on the south side of Bloomington, Big.

Speaker 11 (02:15:57):
Function four forty six, oh, yeah, the Union bowling in
the Union too, and the guy, the Beverly Hills cop
who just died, John Ashton was the brother of Dennis Quaid.
Can you imagine having to spend all that time with
Dennis Quaid without going crazy to I think he was
just nuts back then as he was. And I'm not
talking about Randy. I'm talking about Dennis, because he's equally nuts.

Speaker 1 (02:16:18):
Well, they you know, I read an article that the
cast for Breaking Away, that they made them all live
together for like two months or something to to to
give the you know, so they had a natural you know,
kind of like people don't realize this, but you know,
not unlike how one once one weekend per month, you me,

(02:16:39):
Kevin Bowen, James Boyd and Ricord, we all go together
and stay in a cabin just for camaraderie purposes, and
then we take Can.

Speaker 11 (02:16:46):
You imagine the ledge I'd have to jump off of that.

Speaker 2 (02:16:51):
John.

Speaker 11 (02:16:51):
The trade the Reds made. The trade was it buying
or selling?

Speaker 2 (02:16:57):
Buying? Who do we buy Ryan Hayes from the pirates?
Who exactly who the hell is that third baseman? Oh boy? Nick?
The Nerds working got rid of Taylor Rogers and then
some someone else said, working at They can't get rid
of that Richardson clown quick enough. Now, my god, he's horrible.

(02:17:19):
Holy crap, he's in the pan. I haven't seen him
in a while.

Speaker 11 (02:17:22):
Breaking Away, Oh you went yesterday too for that mammoth disappointment. Yep,
you can see that coming a mile away. I love
Breaking Away. Jake, yes to me, it's almost it's right
up there with Hoosiers. I mean, as much as we love.

Speaker 1 (02:17:39):
I think one of the things about it that I
enjoy is How and I forget the character's name. Some
my apologies, but the main writer, How, his dad, you know,
just kind of rolls his eyes the whole time at
the whole thing. And then when he's at the you know,
he's at his card lot when the race is going on,
he's got it on the radio and suddenly he kind

(02:17:59):
of gets it right and he gets into it and
he's like, yeah, you go, you cutters, you know, And
the mom was supported. It was a cool movie.

Speaker 11 (02:18:05):
It was kind of like you get like Don Stuck's
involved in this. Now you know Don Stuck. He's an
actor in Chicago. There have been you could see all
the characters, whether it's eight men out or breaking Away
or Hoosiers that they have Chicago ties because they hired
a lot of these actors regionally, like the guy that

(02:18:27):
that I forget what his name is, Chelsea, whatever his
name was. He played Ed Harris from Major League. He
was in all of those films and he was based
out of Chicago. Herb Simon's Herb Simon's brother Mel was
a producer for the movie for My Bodyguard that was
based out of Chicago, that had John Cusack's sister Joan
in it and Matt Dillon, one of his initial roles,

(02:18:50):
was in it. And they hire they hire actors or
out of the Chicago area.

Speaker 1 (02:18:54):
I saw a movie poster today posted somewhere for Private School.
It's in the poster not up to part with our
favorite Phoebe k scene, but she looks pretty good in
the poster.

Speaker 11 (02:19:05):
Let me tell you this, Betsy Russell in that film.
Still to this day, I would go jousting you. Check
out Betsy Russell on Private School. Tell me if I'm wrong,
I think she's She was once upon a time married
to a Van Patten, one of them, Vince van Patten Pen.

Speaker 2 (02:19:26):
Goodness, Betsy Russell.

Speaker 11 (02:19:27):
Was so hot and it was always it was always
forgotten about because Phoebe k was in that phone. Hey,
by the way, breaking Away, there's a scene after the
Cutters win. Remember that blonde haired kid that had the
bowl haircut, had the white Sox plastic helmet on. Yes,
in that I've always wanted to find out who that
kid was. I do that all the time with movie. Yeah,
I always wanted to find that out. Okay, different subject

(02:19:51):
on it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:51):
But the other day I was watching The Beatles in
nineteen sixty eight, filmed a in a studio, filmed Hey Jude,
like basically a music video, and they they brought in
like kids from a school and there's a kid standing
right behind Ringo Star that's like by the end of
the song, he's like, I mean, he's all into it,
and he's like fourteen years old. And I've always wanted like,
who is this kid? You know, where is he now?

(02:20:13):
What is his life now?

Speaker 5 (02:20:15):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:20:15):
Is he still living? I mean he would be Gosh,
the guy'd be seventy two years old, seventy three years old, now,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 11 (02:20:21):
But that's pretty cool. Hey, getting back to the late
Mail and Herb Simon. One time I had Herb on
the show and ask him. I wanted to ask him
about Porky's and his brother's ventures into film production in
the early eighties, and he did not want any part
of it, really and did not want to talk about it,
especially Porky's. I think he was embarrassed. Yeah, I'm my Porky's,
which I wanted to tell him. Porky's was like a

(02:20:43):
ride of passage from my life.

Speaker 2 (02:20:45):
Of course, no, I wanted to thank him was actually
what I wanted to do.

Speaker 11 (02:20:48):
I mean, there are so many like you couldn't do
that at a second now, there's zero way. Even the
shower scene, all this is a zero way. There's a
lot of it was just wall the wall entertainment. That's
like the nineteen eighties, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:21:03):
There, HBO.

Speaker 11 (02:21:05):
He did, he did Porky's, He did My Bodyguard. He
may have been involved in Porky's to the next day,
but he did some My Bodyguards a great film, by
the way, absolutely great film.

Speaker 1 (02:21:17):
What's on the Big Show today.

Speaker 11 (02:21:18):
We'll do I think Kevin from Camp where there's no
camp going on, I'm gonna be up there tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:21:23):
And Charles R.

Speaker 11 (02:21:24):
Buckle, who's going to play some Roles coming up here too,
and we'll talk to Charles, the former Colts tight end,
about the upcoming season. And, as Larry Bird famously said,
stuffick yep, and you're passing, dribbling, shooting stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:21:38):
Yet your shoes.

Speaker 1 (02:21:40):
Your shoes match your shirt today, John, I'm very important.

Speaker 8 (02:21:42):
You like that, do you?

Speaker 2 (02:21:43):
That was the last minute decision. I got all my
shoes to match my shirt. Press.

Speaker 1 (02:21:47):
Will you look at Felt and you're matching and stuff
I can't, which is cool.

Speaker 5 (02:21:51):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (02:21:51):
John's up next. We'll be back with through noon tomorrow.
I thank you for Tony Stewart in studio tomorrow. By
the way, thank you for listening to Quarry Company.

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