October 13, 2025 • 43 mins
0:00-13:52- The Voice of the Hoosiers Don Fischer joins. Fischer discusses the Historic IU start to the season, beating Oregon on the road, and takes a trip down memory lane to the Bill Mallory era. He also touches on the chances Curt Cignetti leaves for the Penn State opening.
13:52-38:22- FOX59/CBS4’s Mike Chappell joins. Chappell discusses the vulnerabilities for the Indianapolis Colts, Daniel Jones’ performance through six weeks and the latest on AD Mitchell.
38:22-43:20- Colts Defensive Back Mekhi Blackmon joins. Blackmon discusses his performance yesterday, the defense and the Colts start to the season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Indiana Hoosiers. They go out to Austin Stadium and Eugene, Oregon,
and I thought out Oregon to Oregon because look, I
think the world of Oregon and the way that they
that football program and the fact that they seem to
always have speeded every position and Indiana was faster. Indiana
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was better thirty to twenty. They win. Don Fisher joining
us now on the Java House. Peel and poor guest
line and Don Todd Meyer are executive producer. Just came
in and said, you know, and Todd's a prdue guy,
by the way, and he said, you know, I'm just
happy for Don Fisher. And we've talked about that before,
but Don, this is unbelievably cool. And I know that
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we went through this last year, but man, it feels
like it's even another rung Hire, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It does right now, there's no doubt about that. Obviously,
Indiana winning over Oregon at Oregon against a team that
everybody picked to win that ball game, and now Indiana's
moved up into the spot that they were essentially in
the third position in the rankings. It's like it's kind
of a fairy tale, if you know what I mean,
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especially for those of us who have been around Indiana
football for as long as I have. But at the
same time, it's not a fairy tale. We know that
it's reality, and it's probably the most fun I've ever
had calling football games.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Don I think the thing And I want you to
tell me if you agree with this or if what
I'm about to say even makes sense. But to me,
the thing that is the most astounding of this is
it is a complete mindset shift in culture change. And
by that I mean, you know, I'm watching that game
with Oregon and I'm sitting there visualizing and seeing the
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lane open up, where I think, to myself, this is
going to be a typical Kurt Signetti Indiana game where
they just wait for the other team to make mistakes,
they keep their foot on the pedal, they pull away,
and in the last couple of minut that you know
what's going to happen. And that is such the antithesis
of the mindset that we had for so long. It
is remarkable to me that we in two years, have
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almost forgotten about what it was like to be an
Indiana fan for the previous one hundred Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It does, except I'll never forget well, yeah, what it
was like before, But I will tell you this, there's
no question that it's a complete mind change. It really is,
and as quickly as it has come, that's the most
remarkable thing, because I don't know that anybody has ever
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turned a program around faster than what Kurt Signetti has
and then turned that mindset of the fan base around
along with it. Because I don't care who you are,
if you've been in to get a football fan or
wherever you've been, sorry about that big mag truck to
Assisio on by at any rate, if you've been a
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football fan at Indiana for any length of time, you
know what the struggles have been and how do you
get out of that? And you know the Bill Valory
era was a great era of Indiana football and nobody
wanted to talk about that back in the day because
they started out oh eleven in Bill's first year, and
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then it was four and seven the second year. But
after that, all of a sudden, for about the next
eight years, Indiana football was something special under coach Mallory.
But this has been beyond that because of the success
and how quickly it has come, And so there's no
way to forget the past and know what we were
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at that time. But at the same time, you better
celebrate this while it's happening, because we don't know how
long that's going to take place. But we do know
that if Kurt Signetti is here that long, it's going
to say this way because he is something special.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Don you know? You go back to Bill Mallory, who
was a great football coach, and while I did not
know him by all account, from what I've heard, a
great man, right. I mean, those that played for him
speak the world of Bill Mallory and and those teams
were tough and disciplined. Signetti's teams are those things. But
you know, it's a different era of football now, and
they there's a speed there. I mean, they just they
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are literally they swarm you. So my question would be this,
and maybe we don't know this because it's only two
years in, but do you believe that Kurt Signetti has
gone out and gotten players that have basically been able
to play the system that he had in mind? Or
is this the kind of coach that because of coming
in here, getting the transfers and then with the portal,
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he is schematically coming up with things that benefit what
it is that he sees. Does that make sense what
I'm asking?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I mean, you know, Jake, the thing about Signetti is this,
and I don't think I think he gets different players.
But here's the first thing. The first thing about Sabetti
is when he looks at film, he dissects a player.
He dissects what he thinks is really good, what he
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doesn't think is quite as good. Can I coach this kid?
Is he coachable? He looks at the character or the
kid first, and then he figures out if this guy
progresses like we think he can, does he fit what
we need? So he goes through a whole process of
how he looks at players, whether they're in high school
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kids or they're transfer portal players. And when he looks
at the transfer portal, he looks at experience first, other
than the character aspect. That character is one of the
biggest things he looks at first. But again he looks
at playing experience. How much is this guy played? Is
he coachable? Can he change? Can he do things that
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we ask him to do? He goes through a whole
process of things. I can't even relate all the things
that he asks himself about what he sees on film
with a kid, and then in talking to that young
man to see if he can get him to come
to Indiana. So he's just unique in that way. I
don't think he looks at the ranking of a player.
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We got more three star guys in this football team
that we have anything else other than a few transfer
portal guys that came in. But he's looking at whether
he thinks the kid could develop and be the kind
of player that he likes, the kind of player that's disciplined,
understands his role, and then takes care of business on
the field. So I just think he's unique. I'm not
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saying that if there are any other coaches that do
exactly the same thing, because there may be. I just
haven't been around him other than a Bill Bowery type
who was all about toughness and physicality when he came here,
and when you watched the Indiana play under Bill Bowery
in his first year in Indiana, you could tell that
this team was going to be better than what we'd
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had in the past just by the way they went
out and performed on the field. And it wasn't because
they were a great teams. They were all to eleven
of that first season, and then they got better and
better in the next two years. Kurtz Signetti has done
this in one season. He's done the very first season
he's been here. It made him a successful team got
to the College Football Playoff. That's why this is so unique.
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It's so much fun to be a part of because
we've never seen anything like it before.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Don speaking of never seen anything like it now, I'm
not saying what I'm about to say, I've never seen,
but it's been a while in terms of great catches. Okay,
there was a play in that game in Oregon that
I thought exemplified the Signetti era, and I'm talking about
Omar Cooper Junior goes up and makes a one handed grab.
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I can't remember if it was a second down or
a third down. I think it was in the first
half of the game, but he makes this remarkable one
head to catch right, he comes down and then has
the presence of mind to then put a spin move
basically break a tackle and dive forward to get the
first down. So he had the style was there, but
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it was the presence of mind and the discipline to
then have the substance to finish the play and go
one step further. Now, some of that Omar Cooper, the
kid out of Lawrence North. You know, he gets a lot,
He gets all the credit there, don't get me wrong.
But part of that to me just feels like it
exemplified attention to detail. And I don't know that I've
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seen a sports team that we've covered in this market
have attention to detail like this Indiana football team. Now,
I'm going to give you Don Fisher the permission here
to tell me that I am full of hyperbole there.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, there's no question there is a tremendous amount of
attention to detail on this football team. For every position,
for every player, They all are responsible for those things. Again,
it is something that Signetti and his coaching staff teaches.
They teach you the things you have to do on
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the football field to be successful. And if you look
at here's the other thing, Jake, fundamentals. If you don't
coach fundamentals, then you have no chance to be a
great football program, or a great basketball program, or anything
else in sports. You have to teach the fundamentals first,
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and they have to be a constant from a practice perspective.
And if you do that, all of a sudden, things
start to fall a place for players. When the players
realize that that's the key. As you pay attention to
fundamentals and you work on those kinds of things, that's
when you become a great football player and a great
football team. And I think that is again something that
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this coach and this coaching staff puts forward on a
daily basis in their practice sessions and all those kinds
of things and the other thing that they do. And
I think this is critical this day and age because
there are so many coaches at the football on football
and basketball, they just practice NonStop. They'll go two and
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a half, three and a half hours, those kinds of things.
This coach doesn't do that. They practice an hour at
fifteen minutes generally speaking. That's about it. And every moment
of those practices are something's going on, something's being instructive,
something's being talked about, and they work on that repetitively
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all the time. It's just it's a process. To some
it could be a genious process. But to these players,
I think they've all bought into the idea. If we
continue to do this the way our coach is asking
us to do it. And I heard Aidan Fisher basically
in an interview the other day simply say the very
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same thing I'm talking about here. You continue to do
it day after day, week after week. You mount one
practice and one fundamental on top of the other, and
you just continue to work at it, and you just
try to get better each and every time that you're
in a practice session. I just think that philosophy is
the only way to go if you're going to be successful.
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And maybe other schools do it, I've never seen anybody
do it faster than what Signetti has done it with
this program and with this team, and maybe the transfer
portal and the older guys that they get out of
the portal and guys that they're more experienced, they buy
into it too. So it doesn't matter who coached you before.
Do you have to buy into what they're selling now.
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And these kids all do it and it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay, Don, before we let you go, Don Fisher is
our guest. He's on the Java House peeling poor guest line.
He's the voice of the third ranked Indiana who's yours
highest ranking in school history? Don, obviously, and it goes
without saying you know you mentioned it. How long is
Signetti going to be here? Well, I'm going to get
into that in a minute here, but I wanted to
ask your take on this. We don't know, obviously, and
it would be unfair for me to pretend that you
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have some sort of immediate line into the thought process
of Kurt Signetti in his future. But because his home
state school, a major power in Penn State, is now
looking for a coach, his name is going to be
linked to that. What sort of things has he said
to you, insinuated to you in interviews or otherwise just
in terms of his I guess comfort level at Indiana
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and whether or not you think he is a guy
that has an eye elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
The only thing I could tell you in that regard,
Jake and I have no knowledge of what his plans
are in the future, other than to say that last year,
when somebody asked him something about all the success you
had this first year in Indiana, would you be looking elsewhere?
He said? Why would I be? Why would I want
to leave an emerging superpower? So I tell you, Jake,
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I'm not even gonna worry about that. I'm going to
enjoy what I see right now have fun with it
relation and hopefully couraging that he stays here forever. But
if it doesn't happen that way, I'm still gonna thank
a man who has absolutely changed Indiana football.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's no question. I mean, it's unbelievable. And it continues
with Michigan State next on the schedule. That game Saturday
three point thirty start in Bloomington and what will be
an awesome, awesome atmosphere, and Don Fisher will have the call.
Of course, Don, it was an awesome day on Saturday
third ranked. Certainly enjoy it and we look forward to
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listening with the Michigan State game coming up in five
days from now. Appreciate it as always, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Jake, appreciate your having me as always.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
All Right, Don Fisher the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers.
It is the Indianapolis Colts at five and one after
yesterday's win over the Arizona Cardinals, joining us now as
he does each and every Monday from CBS four and
WXI in Fox fifty nine. And by the way, kudos
in particular to Fox fifty nine and Russ McQuaid. Yesterday,
I believe they might have been the only media outlet
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that had the wherewithal to be in position to interview
Mark Sanchez yesterday, and they have been on top of
that story from day one, and that television station has
been all over that. Mike Chapel, the dean of writers
for the Colts, joining us now on the Java House
Peel and poor guest line and chap Colts the number
one seed overall. Yesterday was a game that I thought
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the Colts did, Mike, what you expect good teams to do,
and that is you just find a way to win.
You know, Jacoby Brissett was efficient for Arizona, but in
the end, the Colts did what they needed to do
to win. My question for you would be this, are
we going to eventually have to address or discuss any
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vulnerabilities defensively for Indianapolis?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And we have, Uh, their past rush hasn't been good enough.
They're not getting enough from law to and and Quitty
pay quit. He had two sacks Chesterdy. But the linebackers
are are are good at tackling their liabilities in in coverage,
which which Zaire Franklin, he's really really effective. He was
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all pro Uh when he's allowed to do what he does,
and when you've got to do more things, not so
much the secondary. It's it's I understand people bitch at
the moment, and I do. We're up in the press
box just making comments, but they're playing people who wouldn't
be playing that. These guys are like and they're they're
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playing their butts off and all this, but but they're
like your sixth or seventh corners. They just are. You know,
I mentioned all the guy I wrote in the story today,
of all the people that are out with kidny Or
and Jalon Jones and Justin Wadeley, I forgot Mike Hilton. Hilton,
you know, he's house so you know, And and I
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don't want to be a battle apologist. I don't, but
there is no way that any GM can can provide
this the level of depth that covers up these injuries.
Can't do it. And then and then you lose Mooney
Ward for crying at laud. It's you know, when I
saw the video of he and Drew Ogletree colliding, I
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flashed back to that if it's like a comedy thing
where you got two ships in the ocean, in this
big ocean and they ran into each other. Uh that
that just told you how it was going to be
difficult because Mooney War was going to be on Marvin Junior,
who ended up getting hurt. But when when you you
lose arguably your top defensive player in pregame warm ups,
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now you imagine the scrambling that goes on. So we've
talked about it and and part of its injury related
the linebacker, in my mind is because as I said,
there were like eight things on the list to do
in the off season, and linebackwards one of them, and
that's the one that they can get to. Well, I'm
glad they got to the other seven and this is
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the one they did can get to. But the pass
rush bothers me because it's just not it's not consistent.
Brissett just had too much time. Too many times he
escaped a couple of times. Quarterbacks do that, but that
should have been a quarterback that you really smoked, and
they didn't. And they're just not getting enough from the
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edge Samson have become. I'm not getting on him. He's
coming back from an Achilles for crying out loud, but
you need you need more from your two first round
draft picks, and yeah, pressures and this, that and the other.
I give me some sacks. These guys get paid for
sacks they do. They need more from it. And it's
I think a lot too is a great athlete, and
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he may end up being a really really exceptional player
after six weeks. I don't want him having more interceptions
in sacks. I just don't think that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Chap when you look at Mike Chapel is our guest.
He's on the Joba house Peel and poor guest line.
When you look at the lineback, like if you look
defensively yesterday, in general, they were let in tackles by
Jermaine Pratt who had a you know, was an efficient
day for him, but he also was a guy that
was just acquired. Is that more so saying hey, what
a great signing, or is that more so saying that's
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problematic and it shows weakness elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
The ladder the ladder it because remember and he can
keep in mind, and this isn't throw shade on Jermaine Pratty.
He had eleven tackles for Kraneut with like three practices.
They had a chance to sign him when the Bengals
cut him whenever it was six weeks ago or whatever,
and the money I think was probably a little too steep.
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It was like four million dollars guaranteed whatever they and
as Chris and Shane like to do that, they really
wanted to see more from their own guys. They did,
they really, they really believe on they're in their own guys.
Uh but in this case it hasn't worked out and
they're just susceptible to the coverage.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
They just they just are.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
And uh So there again, what you're playing guys in
positions or number of reps who normally shouldn't be doing that.
And again that's how it was in the secondary with
Jonathan Edwards, an unreppord rookie, and Chris Lemons who spent
a lot of time on the practice squad, and and
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Michael or Mackayah Blackman who was acquired in a trade early.
So it's when you had that it makes it tough
and then it makes things worse on the secondary when
you're not pressured to quarterback. So it was just yet
they found a way. That's that's the best way to
do anything. I know people are saying, well, god, look
who they've beaten. Well, you beat who you play? Uh, yeah,
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they should have beaten the Rams, and they should have
lost a Denver so things even out. But that's why
I was watching some of the national shows today and
they still Teddy Bruce, he doesn't believe in these guys
at all. Maybe that's a little bit of the New
England right thing. I don't think this is a super
Bowl contender as it as it is, but once you
get in, who knows. But I think it's I think
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it's a team that could do something in the playoffs,
whatever something is, you know. But right now they're first
in THEFC South, which is which is step one. It
is step one to getting a home game and getting
in and then we'll see and and the way the
rest of the AFC has sort of just sort of
floundered outside of Buffalo and Kansas City is apparently getting
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itself back together. In the Chargers, you just you just
don't know what's there. Miami's is a dumpster fire New
England maybe, but it's right there for them to be
in the thick of it all the way. The schedule
gets tougher later on. But that's why we've all talked
about this first part of the season. Going into the
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game in Berlin with Atlanta. Holy smokes, you've got a
chance to set yourself up or something whatever that's something
is and that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Chap this is and maybe you know, I was going
to say, maybe it's not time for this conversation, but
I don't know that there's ever you know, a good
time bad time when it comes talking colts, right, I mean,
the reality is this, we should celebrate what this team
is doing. Their five and one. Daniel Jones has just
been exceptional. I thought yesterday he showed a lot by
you know, when there are a lot of quarterbacks that
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if they throw a pick or a pick six, they
will you know, he continues to respond, But I'm curious,
and I know that it's it's not his fault at times,
it's just not. But is the Anthony Richardson contractual question
starting to answer itself just based on the fact that,
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as I mentioned earlier, he seems to be a magnet
to the bizarre and to the unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And that's sad it is.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
But I mean, but at the same time, don't you again,
it's not his fault at all, right, I mean, it's
a totally bizarre fluke thing. But if I said to
you if I stopped, if I literally walked into Lucas
Oil Stadium yesterday an hour before the game, before any
news had come out, and said, folks, I'm taking a survey.
A player just had an orbital bone fracture because a
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rubber band during stretching snapped and came back and hit
him right in the eye. Who is it? Ninety two
out of one hundred people would say, what's gotta be
Anthony Richardson?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Right? I know, I know, and that's too bad. But
aside from that, take take that out of the mix.
I was wrong. I'll say I was wrong. I would
have gone with Richardson coming out of training camp. I
really would have, because my pea brain thought, they've got
to figure out what they have at the end of
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the season. They've got to know what they have in Richardson. Well,
in my mind, as it turns out, they knew what
they had, whether it was at the end of last season,
whether it was some March day when Shane Steichen was
having a brew in the back porch they decided. He
decided that Jones, for so many reasons, was the right guy.
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This is before practices and all that stuff, and that
Richardson wasn't. So you know, I I I think if
this thing continues the way it is and and they're
knocking on the playoff door or the division title, whatever, boy,
I think they find a way to go forward with
rich with Jones, and they find a way to move Richardson.
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I just don't see any path forward for Richardson here
unless Jones gets hurt in the next couple of weeks
and in Richardson's you know, eye injuries, Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well he's not available. I mean, do you remember, as
I say, yeah, I mean, do you remember when Reggie
Miller and I'm going back thirty years ago I realized, yes, yes,
but Reggie Miller had a similar injury. Now, one was
listed as a break and one as a fracture. I
you know, I mean, I'll get Ralph Reefon at some
point this week to kind of verify or go through that.
But but you know that injury kept Reggie Miller out
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for a while. I mean, this is in and you
feel bad for him, right.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I think this key is interesting that for two or
three weeks minimum, because you know, keep in mind, when
you're playing, when you're practicing, you you're jarring the body
and your eyes and all this, and that's just got
it that that can't be even remotely good for a
healing over won fracture. It can be so I and
I just posted today, I think they're going to look
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for a veteran. And it's not shade on Riley Leonard
at all, but but he was He was a six
round pick, a developmental guy. Has done everything right so far.
But are you going to put a five and one
team that that can do some things in the hands
of a six round draft pick? Now, you're going to
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try to find somebody who, as a veteran, has played,
knows what's going on, has no clue what your offensive.
That's the downside. Took him in stone cold. That worked
on I mean, Joe Flacco did that. Maybe if this
happened last week, you make a trade with Cleveland and
bring Joe back here. I don't know, but I looked
at the list of available quarterbacks and it's not even
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oh really that guy. No, there's none of those guys. So,
but I do think they'll do that, and just to
be safe, because I didn't notice that Jones is only
there's only been one season. He's not missing him with
an injury, and that was in twenty twenty two, so
you know, he tends to get hurt like quarterbacks do,
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and they've got to have somebody who can step in
and at least run things competently, if that's the right word.
I don't know if they can even do that on
short notice, but I do think I'll have tryouts tomorrow,
and I think while I was signing on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Or I just do you know, chap Here's what's interesting
to me about the quarterback position. Mike Chapel is our guest.
I'm going to go back to one of my really
bad analogies here. Okay, chap I have never I have
a ton of my reals. Yeah, okay, I have my
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entire life. Academically speaking, I couldn't. I couldn't get algebra.
I just couldn't grasp algebra. That's true of most of
us that are in the broadcast profession.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
By the way, but probably why we're in the product.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's exactly right. But in order to grasp algebra, you
first have to understand the basics of math, long division, multiplication,
and then they all interweave to become algebraic formula. If
you don't know the basic steps of math, then you're
never going to get algebra. Okay. It seems to me
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like in the offensive scheme, the Colts right now are
doing offensively things that we have not seen in this
town with this franchise, some of it forever. But they
are leading the league in scoring, They are efficient, they
are working it in so many different ways. And Anthony
Richardson was capable occasionally of the big algebraic type fancy
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play of like how the world did that just happen?
But for the most part it was the basic fundamental
that was eluding him. And it feels to me like
the reason the Colts offensively are where they are is
because Daniel Jones mastered long division and multiplication, and that
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then allows Shane Steichen to occasionally pop in the algebraic
formula to keep people guessing. But you had to start
with the basics. And I think we all were looking
at which quarterback was going to be the big play guy,
and Steichen went with the guy that actually was the
basic guy because that's the foundation he wanted to build
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off of. Does that make it?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
And yes, and still giving you some big place.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's what I mean. They can mix that in now
right right.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
It's kind of like when you're in school and in
your head you can figure out what the answer was,
so you put down thirty one. Well that they want
to know why you get to thirty one. And sometimes
I couldn't do it. In my head, I could tell
you how I got to it, right, So yeah, I
think I think you're right. And that's why I say
when I didn't agree with what Chang Styken did it,
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and when he and when he kept explaining it and
he told us he he flat told us idiots, well
that it's the free stamp, it's operations, it's it's finding
completions and all that stuff. And he was telling us
and some of our guys, some of the press guys
got it understood. And I was I was that dunce
in the back room thinking but but but and it it.
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I was looking more long term and he was looking
short term. And again Chris Baller told us in wherever
was January, we're going to bring another veteran, and well,
does Anthony Richardson have the leg out? We're going to
go with the guy that helps us win games?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Does that okay? Does this make it? Chap In the event,
Let's say they go out and they sign now and
off the beach veteran quarterback to be the backup because
Anthony Richardson is unavailable. Does this allow for them perhaps
to have in the event, god forbid, you've got to
go to that and play that player. Does the the
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fact that the offense is rooted in simplicity make it
easier to transfer to a veteran quarterback if you need
one to spell you for a game or two.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Well, I'd still rather have Anthony Richardson running my offense.
If if in three weeks he's ready to go, and
God forbid, Daniel Jones gets hurt. I flipped back to
Richardson in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, I'm saying, if Richardson's unavailable and you've got to
go out and sign whoever ques, is there not as
big a drop off in the cohesiveness as we think.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Probably, because again, you're gonna you're gonna then you're really
gonna transition more to the people around the quarterback. Although
it's gonna be harder to run the ball with Taylor
when everybody knows that's what you're gonna try to do
even more than you are now, because I'm still waiting
for He's leading the league in rushing and I'm still
waiting for his big game. I'm just still waiting for
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him to break out and just go bonkers. But but yeah,
the guy to bring in, whoever it is, it'll be
as someone who can run, run the basics and not
get squirrely. And like a perfect example is uh second
half They it was a it was a twenty two
yard throat to Pierce on the left side that somehow
got there, somehow got there through three three defenders. And
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Stiching was telling during the week that he was talking
to Jones and Jones said, you know, if if we
call this play, which that play and supposed to go
to the right side, and he said, I tell you,
if they give us this look on defense, I'm going
to whip around and come back to Pierce. And he
told Pierce, now listen, if I see that, be ready
because it's coming to you. And that's what he did,
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and that that's where he's playing chess and maybe other
quarterbacks can't do that, but that just shows you that
this you know, you always hear about guys at first
and last out and doing the homework. And we've heard
countless story out that's Jones, It's Manning esque and Luck
ask of what of what they're doing? It was funny.
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Zach Keifer was at the game. I was getting on
him for being a bandwagon jumper coming in in week
six when they're winning, but he asked Jones about you know,
what do you do?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
You know?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Are you you know, are you one of those guys
that you know you're locked in once the season starts?
He said, if you have any hobbies? And he started
said no. He said, most guys don't have hobbies during
during the season because because you're working. And when you're
at the office and you're working, you go home and
you spend time at night. So that's what you want.
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It's not, you know, glamorous and all this. Remember Manning's
the Manning Cave and all that.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
There's so much truth.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, hey, listen, Jack, I saw I mentioned this earlier,
and I you know, I could pull up the direct quotes,
but to paraphrase it, Tua down in Miami, you know,
after the Dolphins season has gone awry. He finally just
said the quiet part out loud. It was like, look,
we got guys that are not showing up for meetings.
We got guys that are late. It's got to be
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across the board, et cetera. And this is the quarterback
calling out the roster for not being on time. And
maybe it's too late or too late in this case,
but the point being, that's the stuff you're talking about, right,
You need that example at the very front of guys
falling in line, and it appears as though with this
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roster that's the case. Now, let me ask you this.
Yesterday there were a number of players that caught passes
from Daniel Jones. Adie Mitchell was a scratch at the
beginning of the year. Does is this a continuation of
the discipline or are we starting to see the beginning
of the end.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
No, it's two things, not those two things. But it's
it's it's say, an extension of the discipline, if you
want to call it that. But it's also a reflection
that Alec Pierce was active.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Again. Well, I understand, but I mean, you know, Mitchell's
been on the field and games were you know, Alec
Pierce hadn't been hurt all year, and there were games
where Alec.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Pierce no but but but but when when Pierce was
out there and Mitchell was out there. They really had
to find ways to get Mitchell on the field. One game,
he was on there for like nine snamps because Pierce,
Pierce Hardy comes off the field. He and Pittman are
out there all the time. So, uh no, I think
it was They're not They're not even remotely ready to
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give up on Adi Mitchell. He's got so up much talent.
He's just but at some point, at some point though, it's.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Like, come on, yeah, got to see it at some point, right,
like he has that like we've been.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
But you see just enough of it the way you
think you know, maybe, but it's it's the mess ups
that you just had. At some point, the mess ups
overcome or outweigh the talent. We're not there remotely. I've
talked to Reggie enough to to know that he believes
in Mitchell, but he also understands, you know, this is
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the bottom line game. Uh So, so we were talking
in the press room, and I really wonder that barring injury,
although guys get injured, but if Pierce, Pittman and Down
stay healthy, I don't know when Mitchell gets back on
the field. I don't know when he's health I don't know.
And and also the problem is he doesn't play special
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teams at all. He's never played a special team snap.
So to have a guy on your roster when when
roster spots are so precious on game day, and with
the idea that well, and let's think, I guess there,
this guy's not playing like your emergency, your backup quarterback.
There's two guys aren't going to play. So but but
I my interesting thing I'd like to know, and we
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won't know except later on, is well he will will
Mitchell use this uh being a healthy scratch as motivation like, Hey, guys,
I belong on this team.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I deserve it?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Or does he does? He pale and right? And and
that's I think that's a very valid question. And I
don't think Reggie will allow the latter. He's too much
of a test master. I think he's a player's coach.
But he's also demanding. So that's an that's such an
interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I mean, my point being, no matter you know, the
guy could be Usain Bolt, Carl Lewis and Edwin Moses
all wrapped into one with Jerry Rice's hands. But if
he is buried on the depth chart to the point
where he is a healthy scratch midway. You know, at
some point you got to say okay, then then when
is it going to come? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, that's and we're down that we're way I think
we're way far away from that. But the whole thing
is it's a matter of trust. Good old Billy Joelson,
it's a matter of trust. When the coach and in
the quarterback, when do you get because they'll say the
right things. We trust him, he's working hard and all this.
But Peyton Manning said, you earn your catches on Sunday
by what you do in practice. It's a quarterback doesn't
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trust you. Although this would be a case said you
don't trust what he does during a game. But if
a quarterback doesn't trust you, if the coach doesn't trust
it's a quarterback doesn't trust you. Then how do you
get back on the field barring injury? And don't I
don't see that path right now. But now, well, you
be inactive the rest the last eleven games. I would
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say no, just because again, guys get hurt. But I
tell you they played those three receivers almost exclusively yesterday.
Extra Doodle was on the field for as many defensive
plays one as offensive plays one. So they go they're
using two tight ends a lot, and of course Tyler
Warren's sort of almost a receiver.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
He's whatever they want to, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He's fun to watch pairing the Dallas Clark, but he
does more than Dallas Clark. He just does. God love him.
Dallas Clark didn't block like this. This Tyler Warren is
a combination of Jack Doyle and Dallas Clark. You watch
some of those runs from Taylor and he does Jack
Doyle things in the line where he's smacking guys around
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h and they're still I'm sure there's still more of
what they can do. But that when you talk to
talk to Reggie sometimes and he just says, you know,
he's taking away some some targets from my receivers, which
is a good thing, it really is. It should open
things up. But those receivers better understand that there may
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be one or two targets a game that maybe they
used to get It goes to the young tight end.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Tyler Warren is again he's one of the key cogs
that kind of makes everything float off of that. There
was another player, another play that I thought had a
Marquie moment that was very telling about what makes this
Colts team different. I'll get into that just a couple
of minutes. Mike Chapple, appreciate the time. As always, We'll
talk to you next week, all right. Joining us now
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on the Java House, Peel and poor guest line he
had yesterday his second interception in as many games for
the Colts. Makai Blackman, the cornerback for Indianapolis, Joining us
on the show, Mikyle, how are you?
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I'm doing good? What you uh?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Listen?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Like the whole city like a cloud nine here, right?
And the fact that, let me ask you something and
be honest, if I would have told you at the
time that you found out you were going to be
in Indianapolis cult that through six games you were going
to be the number one seed in the AFC, you
would have said what to me?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Said, I believe you.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
That's why you're there, right, Yeah, I believe you. What
about it? I mean, aside from the obvious, which is, hey,
if you play there, you gotta believe I get that, right,
But what is it? What is it that has managed
to have everything come together like this?
Speaker 4 (39:11):
I mean, I would say, just in my short time here,
you could tell the coaches, the you know, supports to
have everybody is close, tight knit, so you know, even
pregame with us, just you know, going around shaking everybody
up in the team room. I would say that's a
big part of it. That's the first time I kind
of seen people, you know, interact that way. So I
would say just the group being tight knit. You know,
nobody want to let anyone down. Everybody trying to do
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their jobs to the best of their ability, you know,
for the person that they playing with. So I would
say that's the main part.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
When you talk about the locker room in general. I
want to go back to yesterday before the game and
just if you could, for us and for fans explain
just kind of the mindset of the bizarre nature of
Anthony Richardson getting hurt in the locker room, Mooney Ward
getting hurt on the field and having to kind of
process all of that and then go out and play.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah, I mean, you can't really script it any crazier
than that. That's something I've never seen before. But like
I said, we have a tight knit group. Everybody trusts everybody,
regardless the situation. Those two guys went down unfortunately, but
you know, we kind of got the guys you know
that we that were next in line. Everybody has to
step up and do their job. So I feel like
we did that yesterday we came out with the win.
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So just hoping those guys get healthy as soon as possible.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Daniel Jones said after the game. Macay Mkyy Blackman is
our guest on the job of house peel and poor
guest line. He said after the game that when he
was in Minnesota, the thing that most impressed him about
what he learned with the Vikings was the attention to
detail and just within that that franchise and you get
it you were there. Can can you elaborate on that
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and and how you have been able to see that
in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I just feel like even game before he went to minute,
so I feel like he was a guy, you know
that took that detailed process. But I felect the quarterback
boy over there in Minnesota they kind of handle it
similar to how djsu he is here, So I mean,
I would just say it goes hand in hand. DJ
is a guy who he wants to be prepared and
you know, being invested in for the team because he
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is our leader in our quarterback. So I would say
that's just kind of the guy he is and wanting to,
you know, do everything the right way and have things
done on time and on schedule.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
How challenging has it been as a unit for the
defensive backfield to not have continuity at the fault of nobody,
I mean due to attrition and injury in general, right
in Jalen Jones being out, you know, the different injuries
you guys have had to deal with. Like, how challenging
is that?
Speaker 4 (41:37):
I mean, I guess that's what makes the NFL so special.
We signed a guy who's past did he wound up
playing a lot of snaps. I mean it's just you know,
just kind of getting everybody communicating. Like I said, we
still have a close knit group. We kind of brought
we bring the guys along. I mean, I'm gonna been
here six six weeks myself, so I would say even
me just getting you know, caught up. And I'm kind
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of a guy who's looked at as an older guy
now and I've only been here six months of lives
coming in I'm trying to get throw put up as well.
Like I said, the next man up, regardless of somebody
goes down, gets hurt, is out. So I guess we
kind of all, you know, had that mindset of the team.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Okay, lastly, before we let you go, McCaw, I gotta
ask you this. You finished your college career at USC, right,
you started at Colorado, you finished at USC. Correct? Yes, okay,
So I'd like to know this which is more bizarre
for you to still think that USC now is a
Big Ten team or to think that the Big Ten
champions are going to be the Indiana fighting Hoosiers.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
So also like you're trying to bait me into something,
but just bust the wolf. I don't really, I'm not
going to get into the you know, USC is my
alma mater. Y'all got a few teams that we play
against in Indiana and Notre Dame and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
So I don't know, man, how about those Hoosers? Come on,
you give up some love for Indiana.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Come on another playing real good football right now? So
that's Congress you guys, I get someone Indiana who's your
fem now? I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Listen. So two are the Colts playing great football? Obviously, right?
Now at five and one big pick yesterday that was
a huge part of the game. Certainly appreciate the time today.
Congratulations and we will get you on to work now
getting ready for the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Yes, sir, have a good day, all right, Macai
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Blackman joining us on the Java House Peel and poor
guest line
The Indiana Hoosiers. They go out to Austin Stadium and Eugene, Oregon,
and I thought out Oregon to Oregon because look, I
think the world of Oregon and the way that they
that football program and the fact that they seem to
always have speeded every position and Indiana was faster. Indiana
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was better thirty to twenty. They win. Don Fisher joining
us now on the Java House. Peel and poor guest
line and Don Todd Meyer are executive producer. Just came
in and said, you know, and Todd's a prdue guy,
by the way, and he said, you know, I'm just
happy for Don Fisher. And we've talked about that before,
but Don, this is unbelievably cool. And I know that
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we went through this last year, but man, it feels
like it's even another rung Hire, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It does right now, there's no doubt about that. Obviously,
Indiana winning over Oregon at Oregon against a team that
everybody picked to win that ball game, and now Indiana's
moved up into the spot that they were essentially in
the third position in the rankings. It's like it's kind
of a fairy tale, if you know what I mean,
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especially for those of us who have been around Indiana
football for as long as I have. But at the
same time, it's not a fairy tale. We know that
it's reality, and it's probably the most fun I've ever
had calling football games.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Don I think the thing And I want you to
tell me if you agree with this or if what
I'm about to say even makes sense. But to me,
the thing that is the most astounding of this is
it is a complete mindset shift in culture change. And
by that I mean, you know, I'm watching that game
with Oregon and I'm sitting there visualizing and seeing the
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lane open up, where I think, to myself, this is
going to be a typical Kurt Signetti Indiana game where
they just wait for the other team to make mistakes,
they keep their foot on the pedal, they pull away,
and in the last couple of minut that you know
what's going to happen. And that is such the antithesis
of the mindset that we had for so long. It
is remarkable to me that we in two years, have
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almost forgotten about what it was like to be an
Indiana fan for the previous one hundred Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It does, except I'll never forget well, yeah, what it
was like before, But I will tell you this, there's
no question that it's a complete mind change. It really is,
and as quickly as it has come, that's the most
remarkable thing, because I don't know that anybody has ever
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turned a program around faster than what Kurt Signetti has
and then turned that mindset of the fan base around
along with it. Because I don't care who you are,
if you've been in to get a football fan or
wherever you've been, sorry about that big mag truck to
Assisio on by at any rate, if you've been a
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football fan at Indiana for any length of time, you
know what the struggles have been and how do you
get out of that? And you know the Bill Valory
era was a great era of Indiana football and nobody
wanted to talk about that back in the day because
they started out oh eleven in Bill's first year, and
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then it was four and seven the second year. But
after that, all of a sudden, for about the next
eight years, Indiana football was something special under coach Mallory.
But this has been beyond that because of the success
and how quickly it has come, And so there's no
way to forget the past and know what we were
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at that time. But at the same time, you better
celebrate this while it's happening, because we don't know how
long that's going to take place. But we do know
that if Kurt Signetti is here that long, it's going
to say this way because he is something special.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Don you know? You go back to Bill Mallory, who
was a great football coach, and while I did not
know him by all account, from what I've heard, a
great man, right. I mean, those that played for him
speak the world of Bill Mallory and and those teams
were tough and disciplined. Signetti's teams are those things. But
you know, it's a different era of football now, and
they there's a speed there. I mean, they just they
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are literally they swarm you. So my question would be this,
and maybe we don't know this because it's only two
years in, but do you believe that Kurt Signetti has
gone out and gotten players that have basically been able
to play the system that he had in mind? Or
is this the kind of coach that because of coming
in here, getting the transfers and then with the portal,
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he is schematically coming up with things that benefit what
it is that he sees. Does that make sense what
I'm asking?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I mean, you know, Jake, the thing about Signetti is this,
and I don't think I think he gets different players.
But here's the first thing. The first thing about Sabetti
is when he looks at film, he dissects a player.
He dissects what he thinks is really good, what he
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doesn't think is quite as good. Can I coach this kid?
Is he coachable? He looks at the character or the
kid first, and then he figures out if this guy
progresses like we think he can, does he fit what
we need? So he goes through a whole process of
how he looks at players, whether they're in high school
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kids or they're transfer portal players. And when he looks
at the transfer portal, he looks at experience first, other
than the character aspect. That character is one of the
biggest things he looks at first. But again he looks
at playing experience. How much is this guy played? Is
he coachable? Can he change? Can he do things that
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we ask him to do? He goes through a whole
process of things. I can't even relate all the things
that he asks himself about what he sees on film
with a kid, and then in talking to that young
man to see if he can get him to come
to Indiana. So he's just unique in that way. I
don't think he looks at the ranking of a player.
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We got more three star guys in this football team
that we have anything else other than a few transfer
portal guys that came in. But he's looking at whether
he thinks the kid could develop and be the kind
of player that he likes, the kind of player that's disciplined,
understands his role, and then takes care of business on
the field. So I just think he's unique. I'm not
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saying that if there are any other coaches that do
exactly the same thing, because there may be. I just
haven't been around him other than a Bill Bowery type
who was all about toughness and physicality when he came here,
and when you watched the Indiana play under Bill Bowery
in his first year in Indiana, you could tell that
this team was going to be better than what we'd
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had in the past just by the way they went
out and performed on the field. And it wasn't because
they were a great teams. They were all to eleven
of that first season, and then they got better and
better in the next two years. Kurtz Signetti has done
this in one season. He's done the very first season
he's been here. It made him a successful team got
to the College Football Playoff. That's why this is so unique.
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It's so much fun to be a part of because
we've never seen anything like it before.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Don speaking of never seen anything like it now, I'm
not saying what I'm about to say, I've never seen,
but it's been a while in terms of great catches. Okay,
there was a play in that game in Oregon that
I thought exemplified the Signetti era, and I'm talking about
Omar Cooper Junior goes up and makes a one handed grab.
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I can't remember if it was a second down or
a third down. I think it was in the first
half of the game, but he makes this remarkable one
head to catch right, he comes down and then has
the presence of mind to then put a spin move
basically break a tackle and dive forward to get the
first down. So he had the style was there, but
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it was the presence of mind and the discipline to
then have the substance to finish the play and go
one step further. Now, some of that Omar Cooper, the
kid out of Lawrence North. You know, he gets a lot,
He gets all the credit there, don't get me wrong.
But part of that to me just feels like it
exemplified attention to detail. And I don't know that I've
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seen a sports team that we've covered in this market
have attention to detail like this Indiana football team. Now,
I'm going to give you Don Fisher the permission here
to tell me that I am full of hyperbole there.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well, there's no question there is a tremendous amount of
attention to detail on this football team. For every position,
for every player, They all are responsible for those things. Again,
it is something that Signetti and his coaching staff teaches.
They teach you the things you have to do on
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the football field to be successful. And if you look
at here's the other thing, Jake, fundamentals. If you don't
coach fundamentals, then you have no chance to be a
great football program, or a great basketball program, or anything
else in sports. You have to teach the fundamentals first,
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and they have to be a constant from a practice perspective.
And if you do that, all of a sudden, things
start to fall a place for players. When the players
realize that that's the key. As you pay attention to
fundamentals and you work on those kinds of things, that's
when you become a great football player and a great
football team. And I think that is again something that
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this coach and this coaching staff puts forward on a
daily basis in their practice sessions and all those kinds
of things and the other thing that they do. And
I think this is critical this day and age because
there are so many coaches at the football on football
and basketball, they just practice NonStop. They'll go two and
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a half, three and a half hours, those kinds of things.
This coach doesn't do that. They practice an hour at
fifteen minutes generally speaking. That's about it. And every moment
of those practices are something's going on, something's being instructive,
something's being talked about, and they work on that repetitively
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all the time. It's just it's a process. To some
it could be a genious process. But to these players,
I think they've all bought into the idea. If we
continue to do this the way our coach is asking
us to do it. And I heard Aidan Fisher basically
in an interview the other day simply say the very
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same thing I'm talking about here. You continue to do
it day after day, week after week. You mount one
practice and one fundamental on top of the other, and
you just continue to work at it, and you just
try to get better each and every time that you're
in a practice session. I just think that philosophy is
the only way to go if you're going to be successful.
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And maybe other schools do it, I've never seen anybody
do it faster than what Signetti has done it with
this program and with this team, and maybe the transfer
portal and the older guys that they get out of
the portal and guys that they're more experienced, they buy
into it too. So it doesn't matter who coached you before.
Do you have to buy into what they're selling now.
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And these kids all do it and it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay, Don, before we let you go, Don Fisher is
our guest. He's on the Java House peeling poor guest line.
He's the voice of the third ranked Indiana who's yours
highest ranking in school history? Don, obviously, and it goes
without saying you know you mentioned it. How long is
Signetti going to be here? Well, I'm going to get
into that in a minute here, but I wanted to
ask your take on this. We don't know, obviously, and
it would be unfair for me to pretend that you
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have some sort of immediate line into the thought process
of Kurt Signetti in his future. But because his home
state school, a major power in Penn State, is now
looking for a coach, his name is going to be
linked to that. What sort of things has he said
to you, insinuated to you in interviews or otherwise just
in terms of his I guess comfort level at Indiana
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and whether or not you think he is a guy
that has an eye elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
The only thing I could tell you in that regard,
Jake and I have no knowledge of what his plans
are in the future, other than to say that last year,
when somebody asked him something about all the success you
had this first year in Indiana, would you be looking elsewhere?
He said? Why would I be? Why would I want
to leave an emerging superpower? So I tell you, Jake,
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I'm not even gonna worry about that. I'm going to
enjoy what I see right now have fun with it
relation and hopefully couraging that he stays here forever. But
if it doesn't happen that way, I'm still gonna thank
a man who has absolutely changed Indiana football.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's no question. I mean, it's unbelievable. And it continues
with Michigan State next on the schedule. That game Saturday
three point thirty start in Bloomington and what will be
an awesome, awesome atmosphere, and Don Fisher will have the call.
Of course, Don, it was an awesome day on Saturday
third ranked. Certainly enjoy it and we look forward to
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listening with the Michigan State game coming up in five
days from now. Appreciate it as always, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Jake, appreciate your having me as always.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
All Right, Don Fisher the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers.
It is the Indianapolis Colts at five and one after
yesterday's win over the Arizona Cardinals, joining us now as
he does each and every Monday from CBS four and
WXI in Fox fifty nine. And by the way, kudos
in particular to Fox fifty nine and Russ McQuaid. Yesterday,
I believe they might have been the only media outlet
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that had the wherewithal to be in position to interview
Mark Sanchez yesterday, and they have been on top of
that story from day one, and that television station has
been all over that. Mike Chapel, the dean of writers
for the Colts, joining us now on the Java House
Peel and poor guest line and chap Colts the number
one seed overall. Yesterday was a game that I thought
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the Colts did, Mike, what you expect good teams to do,
and that is you just find a way to win.
You know, Jacoby Brissett was efficient for Arizona, but in
the end, the Colts did what they needed to do
to win. My question for you would be this, are
we going to eventually have to address or discuss any
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vulnerabilities defensively for Indianapolis?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And we have, Uh, their past rush hasn't been good enough.
They're not getting enough from law to and and Quitty
pay quit. He had two sacks Chesterdy. But the linebackers
are are are good at tackling their liabilities in in coverage,
which which Zaire Franklin, he's really really effective. He was
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all pro Uh when he's allowed to do what he does,
and when you've got to do more things, not so
much the secondary. It's it's I understand people bitch at
the moment, and I do. We're up in the press
box just making comments, but they're playing people who wouldn't
be playing that. These guys are like and they're they're
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playing their butts off and all this, but but they're
like your sixth or seventh corners. They just are. You know,
I mentioned all the guy I wrote in the story today,
of all the people that are out with kidny Or
and Jalon Jones and Justin Wadeley, I forgot Mike Hilton. Hilton,
you know, he's house so you know, And and I
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don't want to be a battle apologist. I don't, but
there is no way that any GM can can provide
this the level of depth that covers up these injuries.
Can't do it. And then and then you lose Mooney
Ward for crying at laud. It's you know, when I
saw the video of he and Drew Ogletree colliding, I
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flashed back to that if it's like a comedy thing
where you got two ships in the ocean, in this
big ocean and they ran into each other. Uh that
that just told you how it was going to be
difficult because Mooney War was going to be on Marvin Junior,
who ended up getting hurt. But when when you you
lose arguably your top defensive player in pregame warm ups,
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now you imagine the scrambling that goes on. So we've
talked about it and and part of its injury related
the linebacker, in my mind is because as I said,
there were like eight things on the list to do
in the off season, and linebackwards one of them, and
that's the one that they can get to. Well, I'm
glad they got to the other seven and this is
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the one they did can get to. But the pass
rush bothers me because it's just not it's not consistent.
Brissett just had too much time. Too many times he
escaped a couple of times. Quarterbacks do that, but that
should have been a quarterback that you really smoked, and
they didn't. And they're just not getting enough from the
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edge Samson have become. I'm not getting on him. He's
coming back from an Achilles for crying out loud, but
you need you need more from your two first round
draft picks, and yeah, pressures and this, that and the other.
I give me some sacks. These guys get paid for
sacks they do. They need more from it. And it's
I think a lot too is a great athlete, and
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he may end up being a really really exceptional player
after six weeks. I don't want him having more interceptions
in sacks. I just don't think that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Chap when you look at Mike Chapel is our guest.
He's on the Joba house Peel and poor guest line.
When you look at the lineback, like if you look
defensively yesterday, in general, they were let in tackles by
Jermaine Pratt who had a you know, was an efficient
day for him, but he also was a guy that
was just acquired. Is that more so saying hey, what
a great signing, or is that more so saying that's
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problematic and it shows weakness elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
The ladder the ladder it because remember and he can
keep in mind, and this isn't throw shade on Jermaine Pratty.
He had eleven tackles for Kraneut with like three practices.
They had a chance to sign him when the Bengals
cut him whenever it was six weeks ago or whatever,
and the money I think was probably a little too steep.
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It was like four million dollars guaranteed whatever they and
as Chris and Shane like to do that, they really
wanted to see more from their own guys. They did,
they really, they really believe on they're in their own guys.
Uh but in this case it hasn't worked out and
they're just susceptible to the coverage.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
They just they just are.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
And uh So there again, what you're playing guys in
positions or number of reps who normally shouldn't be doing that.
And again that's how it was in the secondary with
Jonathan Edwards, an unreppord rookie, and Chris Lemons who spent
a lot of time on the practice squad, and and
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Michael or Mackayah Blackman who was acquired in a trade early.
So it's when you had that it makes it tough
and then it makes things worse on the secondary when
you're not pressured to quarterback. So it was just yet
they found a way. That's that's the best way to
do anything. I know people are saying, well, god, look
who they've beaten. Well, you beat who you play? Uh, yeah,
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they should have beaten the Rams, and they should have
lost a Denver so things even out. But that's why
I was watching some of the national shows today and
they still Teddy Bruce, he doesn't believe in these guys
at all. Maybe that's a little bit of the New
England right thing. I don't think this is a super
Bowl contender as it as it is, but once you
get in, who knows. But I think it's I think
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it's a team that could do something in the playoffs,
whatever something is, you know. But right now they're first
in THEFC South, which is which is step one. It
is step one to getting a home game and getting
in and then we'll see and and the way the
rest of the AFC has sort of just sort of
floundered outside of Buffalo and Kansas City is apparently getting
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itself back together. In the Chargers, you just you just
don't know what's there. Miami's is a dumpster fire New
England maybe, but it's right there for them to be
in the thick of it all the way. The schedule
gets tougher later on. But that's why we've all talked
about this first part of the season. Going into the
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game in Berlin with Atlanta. Holy smokes, you've got a
chance to set yourself up or something whatever that's something
is and that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Chap this is and maybe you know, I was going
to say, maybe it's not time for this conversation, but
I don't know that there's ever you know, a good
time bad time when it comes talking colts, right, I mean,
the reality is this, we should celebrate what this team
is doing. Their five and one. Daniel Jones has just
been exceptional. I thought yesterday he showed a lot by
you know, when there are a lot of quarterbacks that
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if they throw a pick or a pick six, they
will you know, he continues to respond, But I'm curious,
and I know that it's it's not his fault at times,
it's just not. But is the Anthony Richardson contractual question
starting to answer itself just based on the fact that,
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as I mentioned earlier, he seems to be a magnet
to the bizarre and to the unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And that's sad it is.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
But I mean, but at the same time, don't you again,
it's not his fault at all, right, I mean, it's
a totally bizarre fluke thing. But if I said to
you if I stopped, if I literally walked into Lucas
Oil Stadium yesterday an hour before the game, before any
news had come out, and said, folks, I'm taking a survey.
A player just had an orbital bone fracture because a
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rubber band during stretching snapped and came back and hit
him right in the eye. Who is it? Ninety two
out of one hundred people would say, what's gotta be
Anthony Richardson?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Right? I know, I know, and that's too bad. But
aside from that, take take that out of the mix.
I was wrong. I'll say I was wrong. I would
have gone with Richardson coming out of training camp. I
really would have, because my pea brain thought, they've got
to figure out what they have at the end of
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the season. They've got to know what they have in Richardson. Well,
in my mind, as it turns out, they knew what
they had, whether it was at the end of last season,
whether it was some March day when Shane Steichen was
having a brew in the back porch they decided. He
decided that Jones, for so many reasons, was the right guy.
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This is before practices and all that stuff, and that
Richardson wasn't. So you know, I I I think if
this thing continues the way it is and and they're
knocking on the playoff door or the division title, whatever, boy,
I think they find a way to go forward with
rich with Jones, and they find a way to move Richardson.
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I just don't see any path forward for Richardson here
unless Jones gets hurt in the next couple of weeks
and in Richardson's you know, eye injuries, Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Well he's not available. I mean, do you remember, as
I say, yeah, I mean, do you remember when Reggie
Miller and I'm going back thirty years ago I realized, yes, yes,
but Reggie Miller had a similar injury. Now, one was
listed as a break and one as a fracture. I
you know, I mean, I'll get Ralph Reefon at some
point this week to kind of verify or go through that.
But but you know that injury kept Reggie Miller out
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for a while. I mean, this is in and you
feel bad for him, right.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
I think this key is interesting that for two or
three weeks minimum, because you know, keep in mind, when
you're playing, when you're practicing, you you're jarring the body
and your eyes and all this, and that's just got
it that that can't be even remotely good for a
healing over won fracture. It can be so I and
I just posted today, I think they're going to look
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for a veteran. And it's not shade on Riley Leonard
at all, but but he was He was a six
round pick, a developmental guy. Has done everything right so far.
But are you going to put a five and one
team that that can do some things in the hands
of a six round draft pick? Now, you're going to
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try to find somebody who, as a veteran, has played,
knows what's going on, has no clue what your offensive.
That's the downside. Took him in stone cold. That worked
on I mean, Joe Flacco did that. Maybe if this
happened last week, you make a trade with Cleveland and
bring Joe back here. I don't know, but I looked
at the list of available quarterbacks and it's not even
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oh really that guy. No, there's none of those guys. So,
but I do think they'll do that, and just to
be safe, because I didn't notice that Jones is only
there's only been one season. He's not missing him with
an injury, and that was in twenty twenty two, so
you know, he tends to get hurt like quarterbacks do,
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and they've got to have somebody who can step in
and at least run things competently, if that's the right word.
I don't know if they can even do that on
short notice, but I do think I'll have tryouts tomorrow,
and I think while I was signing on Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Or I just do you know, chap Here's what's interesting
to me about the quarterback position. Mike Chapel is our guest.
I'm going to go back to one of my really
bad analogies here. Okay, chap I have never I have
a ton of my reals. Yeah, okay, I have my
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entire life. Academically speaking, I couldn't. I couldn't get algebra.
I just couldn't grasp algebra. That's true of most of
us that are in the broadcast profession.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
By the way, but probably why we're in the product.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's exactly right. But in order to grasp algebra, you
first have to understand the basics of math, long division, multiplication,
and then they all interweave to become algebraic formula. If
you don't know the basic steps of math, then you're
never going to get algebra. Okay. It seems to me
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like in the offensive scheme, the Colts right now are
doing offensively things that we have not seen in this
town with this franchise, some of it forever. But they
are leading the league in scoring, They are efficient, they
are working it in so many different ways. And Anthony
Richardson was capable occasionally of the big algebraic type fancy
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play of like how the world did that just happen?
But for the most part it was the basic fundamental
that was eluding him. And it feels to me like
the reason the Colts offensively are where they are is
because Daniel Jones mastered long division and multiplication, and that
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then allows Shane Steichen to occasionally pop in the algebraic
formula to keep people guessing. But you had to start
with the basics. And I think we all were looking
at which quarterback was going to be the big play guy,
and Steichen went with the guy that actually was the
basic guy because that's the foundation he wanted to build
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off of. Does that make it?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
And yes, and still giving you some big place.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's what I mean. They can mix that in now
right right.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
It's kind of like when you're in school and in
your head you can figure out what the answer was,
so you put down thirty one. Well that they want
to know why you get to thirty one. And sometimes
I couldn't do it. In my head, I could tell
you how I got to it, right, So yeah, I
think I think you're right. And that's why I say
when I didn't agree with what Chang Styken did it,
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and when he and when he kept explaining it and
he told us he he flat told us idiots, well
that it's the free stamp, it's operations, it's it's finding
completions and all that stuff. And he was telling us
and some of our guys, some of the press guys
got it understood. And I was I was that dunce
in the back room thinking but but but and it it.
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I was looking more long term and he was looking
short term. And again Chris Baller told us in wherever
was January, we're going to bring another veteran, and well,
does Anthony Richardson have the leg out? We're going to
go with the guy that helps us win games?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Does that okay? Does this make it? Chap In the event,
Let's say they go out and they sign now and
off the beach veteran quarterback to be the backup because
Anthony Richardson is unavailable. Does this allow for them perhaps
to have in the event, god forbid, you've got to
go to that and play that player. Does the the
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fact that the offense is rooted in simplicity make it
easier to transfer to a veteran quarterback if you need
one to spell you for a game or two.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Well, I'd still rather have Anthony Richardson running my offense.
If if in three weeks he's ready to go, and
God forbid, Daniel Jones gets hurt. I flipped back to
Richardson in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, I'm saying, if Richardson's unavailable and you've got to
go out and sign whoever ques, is there not as
big a drop off in the cohesiveness as we think.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Probably, because again, you're gonna you're gonna then you're really
gonna transition more to the people around the quarterback. Although
it's gonna be harder to run the ball with Taylor
when everybody knows that's what you're gonna try to do
even more than you are now, because I'm still waiting
for He's leading the league in rushing and I'm still
waiting for his big game. I'm just still waiting for
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him to break out and just go bonkers. But but yeah,
the guy to bring in, whoever it is, it'll be
as someone who can run, run the basics and not
get squirrely. And like a perfect example is uh second
half They it was a it was a twenty two
yard throat to Pierce on the left side that somehow
got there, somehow got there through three three defenders. And
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Stiching was telling during the week that he was talking
to Jones and Jones said, you know, if if we
call this play, which that play and supposed to go
to the right side, and he said, I tell you,
if they give us this look on defense, I'm going
to whip around and come back to Pierce. And he
told Pierce, now listen, if I see that, be ready
because it's coming to you. And that's what he did,
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and that that's where he's playing chess and maybe other
quarterbacks can't do that, but that just shows you that
this you know, you always hear about guys at first
and last out and doing the homework. And we've heard
countless story out that's Jones, It's Manning esque and Luck
ask of what of what they're doing? It was funny.
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Zach Keifer was at the game. I was getting on
him for being a bandwagon jumper coming in in week
six when they're winning, but he asked Jones about you know,
what do you do?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
You know?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Are you you know, are you one of those guys
that you know you're locked in once the season starts?
He said, if you have any hobbies? And he started
said no. He said, most guys don't have hobbies during
during the season because because you're working. And when you're
at the office and you're working, you go home and
you spend time at night. So that's what you want.
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It's not, you know, glamorous and all this. Remember Manning's
the Manning Cave and all that.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
There's so much truth.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well, hey, listen, Jack, I saw I mentioned this earlier,
and I you know, I could pull up the direct quotes,
but to paraphrase it, Tua down in Miami, you know,
after the Dolphins season has gone awry. He finally just
said the quiet part out loud. It was like, look,
we got guys that are not showing up for meetings.
We got guys that are late. It's got to be
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across the board, et cetera. And this is the quarterback
calling out the roster for not being on time. And
maybe it's too late or too late in this case,
but the point being, that's the stuff you're talking about, right,
You need that example at the very front of guys
falling in line, and it appears as though with this
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roster that's the case. Now, let me ask you this.
Yesterday there were a number of players that caught passes
from Daniel Jones. Adie Mitchell was a scratch at the
beginning of the year. Does is this a continuation of
the discipline or are we starting to see the beginning
of the end.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
No, it's two things, not those two things. But it's
it's it's say, an extension of the discipline, if you
want to call it that. But it's also a reflection
that Alec Pierce was active.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Again. Well, I understand, but I mean, you know, Mitchell's
been on the field and games were you know, Alec
Pierce hadn't been hurt all year, and there were games
where Alec.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Pierce no but but but but when when Pierce was
out there and Mitchell was out there. They really had
to find ways to get Mitchell on the field. One game,
he was on there for like nine snamps because Pierce,
Pierce Hardy comes off the field. He and Pittman are
out there all the time. So, uh no, I think
it was They're not They're not even remotely ready to
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give up on Adi Mitchell. He's got so up much talent.
He's just but at some point, at some point though, it's.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Like, come on, yeah, got to see it at some point, right,
like he has that like we've been.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
But you see just enough of it the way you
think you know, maybe, but it's it's the mess ups
that you just had. At some point, the mess ups
overcome or outweigh the talent. We're not there remotely. I've
talked to Reggie enough to to know that he believes
in Mitchell, but he also understands, you know, this is
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the bottom line game. Uh So, so we were talking
in the press room, and I really wonder that barring injury,
although guys get injured, but if Pierce, Pittman and Down
stay healthy, I don't know when Mitchell gets back on
the field. I don't know when he's health I don't know.
And and also the problem is he doesn't play special
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teams at all. He's never played a special team snap.
So to have a guy on your roster when when
roster spots are so precious on game day, and with
the idea that well, and let's think, I guess there,
this guy's not playing like your emergency, your backup quarterback.
There's two guys aren't going to play. So but but
I my interesting thing I'd like to know, and we
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won't know except later on, is well he will will
Mitchell use this uh being a healthy scratch as motivation like, Hey, guys,
I belong on this team.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I deserve it?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Or does he does? He pale and right? And and
that's I think that's a very valid question. And I
don't think Reggie will allow the latter. He's too much
of a test master. I think he's a player's coach.
But he's also demanding. So that's an that's such an
interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I mean, my point being, no matter you know, the
guy could be Usain Bolt, Carl Lewis and Edwin Moses
all wrapped into one with Jerry Rice's hands. But if
he is buried on the depth chart to the point
where he is a healthy scratch midway. You know, at
some point you got to say okay, then then when
is it going to come? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, that's and we're down that we're way I think
we're way far away from that. But the whole thing
is it's a matter of trust. Good old Billy Joelson,
it's a matter of trust. When the coach and in
the quarterback, when do you get because they'll say the
right things. We trust him, he's working hard and all this.
But Peyton Manning said, you earn your catches on Sunday
by what you do in practice. It's a quarterback doesn't
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trust you. Although this would be a case said you
don't trust what he does during a game. But if
a quarterback doesn't trust you, if the coach doesn't trust
it's a quarterback doesn't trust you. Then how do you
get back on the field barring injury? And don't I
don't see that path right now. But now, well, you
be inactive the rest the last eleven games. I would
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say no, just because again, guys get hurt. But I
tell you they played those three receivers almost exclusively yesterday.
Extra Doodle was on the field for as many defensive
plays one as offensive plays one. So they go they're
using two tight ends a lot, and of course Tyler
Warren's sort of almost a receiver.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
He's whatever they want to, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He's fun to watch pairing the Dallas Clark, but he
does more than Dallas Clark. He just does. God love him.
Dallas Clark didn't block like this. This Tyler Warren is
a combination of Jack Doyle and Dallas Clark. You watch
some of those runs from Taylor and he does Jack
Doyle things in the line where he's smacking guys around
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h and they're still I'm sure there's still more of
what they can do. But that when you talk to
talk to Reggie sometimes and he just says, you know,
he's taking away some some targets from my receivers, which
is a good thing, it really is. It should open
things up. But those receivers better understand that there may
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be one or two targets a game that maybe they
used to get It goes to the young tight end.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Tyler Warren is again he's one of the key cogs
that kind of makes everything float off of that. There
was another player, another play that I thought had a
Marquie moment that was very telling about what makes this
Colts team different. I'll get into that just a couple
of minutes. Mike Chapple, appreciate the time. As always, We'll
talk to you next week, all right. Joining us now
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on the Java House, Peel and poor guest line he
had yesterday his second interception in as many games for
the Colts. Makai Blackman, the cornerback for Indianapolis, Joining us
on the show, Mikyle, how are you?
Speaker 4 (38:34):
I'm doing good? What you uh?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Listen?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Man?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Like the whole city like a cloud nine here, right?
And the fact that, let me ask you something and
be honest, if I would have told you at the
time that you found out you were going to be
in Indianapolis cult that through six games you were going
to be the number one seed in the AFC, you
would have said what to me?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Said, I believe you.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
That's why you're there, right, Yeah, I believe you. What
about it? I mean, aside from the obvious, which is, hey,
if you play there, you gotta believe I get that, right,
But what is it? What is it that has managed
to have everything come together like this?
Speaker 4 (39:11):
I mean, I would say, just in my short time here,
you could tell the coaches, the you know, supports to
have everybody is close, tight knit, so you know, even
pregame with us, just you know, going around shaking everybody
up in the team room. I would say that's a
big part of it. That's the first time I kind
of seen people, you know, interact that way. So I
would say just the group being tight knit. You know,
nobody want to let anyone down. Everybody trying to do
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their jobs to the best of their ability, you know,
for the person that they playing with. So I would
say that's the main part.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
When you talk about the locker room in general. I
want to go back to yesterday before the game and
just if you could, for us and for fans explain
just kind of the mindset of the bizarre nature of
Anthony Richardson getting hurt in the locker room, Mooney Ward
getting hurt on the field and having to kind of
process all of that and then go out and play.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah, I mean, you can't really script it any crazier
than that. That's something I've never seen before. But like
I said, we have a tight knit group. Everybody trusts everybody,
regardless the situation. Those two guys went down unfortunately, but
you know, we kind of got the guys you know
that we that were next in line. Everybody has to
step up and do their job. So I feel like
we did that yesterday we came out with the win.
(40:23):
So just hoping those guys get healthy as soon as possible.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Daniel Jones said after the game. Macay Mkyy Blackman is
our guest on the job of house peel and poor
guest line. He said after the game that when he
was in Minnesota, the thing that most impressed him about
what he learned with the Vikings was the attention to
detail and just within that that franchise and you get
it you were there. Can can you elaborate on that
(40:47):
and and how you have been able to see that
in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I just feel like even game before he went to minute,
so I feel like he was a guy, you know
that took that detailed process. But I felect the quarterback
boy over there in Minnesota they kind of handle it
similar to how djsu he is here, So I mean,
I would just say it goes hand in hand. DJ
is a guy who he wants to be prepared and
you know, being invested in for the team because he
(41:12):
is our leader in our quarterback. So I would say
that's just kind of the guy he is and wanting to,
you know, do everything the right way and have things
done on time and on schedule.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
How challenging has it been as a unit for the
defensive backfield to not have continuity at the fault of nobody,
I mean due to attrition and injury in general, right
in Jalen Jones being out, you know, the different injuries
you guys have had to deal with. Like, how challenging
is that?
Speaker 4 (41:37):
I mean, I guess that's what makes the NFL so special.
We signed a guy who's past did he wound up
playing a lot of snaps. I mean it's just you know,
just kind of getting everybody communicating. Like I said, we
still have a close knit group. We kind of brought
we bring the guys along. I mean, I'm gonna been
here six six weeks myself, so I would say even
me just getting you know, caught up. And I'm kind
(41:59):
of a guy who's looked at as an older guy
now and I've only been here six months of lives
coming in I'm trying to get throw put up as well.
Like I said, the next man up, regardless of somebody
goes down, gets hurt, is out. So I guess we
kind of all, you know, had that mindset of the team.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Okay, lastly, before we let you go, McCaw, I gotta
ask you this. You finished your college career at USC, right,
you started at Colorado, you finished at USC. Correct? Yes, okay,
So I'd like to know this which is more bizarre
for you to still think that USC now is a
Big Ten team or to think that the Big Ten
champions are going to be the Indiana fighting Hoosiers.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
So also like you're trying to bait me into something,
but just bust the wolf. I don't really, I'm not
going to get into the you know, USC is my
alma mater. Y'all got a few teams that we play
against in Indiana and Notre Dame and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
So I don't know, man, how about those Hoosers? Come on,
you give up some love for Indiana.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Come on another playing real good football right now? So
that's Congress you guys, I get someone Indiana who's your
fem now? I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Listen. So two are the Colts playing great football? Obviously, right?
Now at five and one big pick yesterday that was
a huge part of the game. Certainly appreciate the time today.
Congratulations and we will get you on to work now
getting ready for the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Yes, sir, have a good day, all right, Macai
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Blackman joining us on the Java House Peel and poor
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