August 1, 2025 • 44 mins
Today’s Best of Features:
(00:00-10:21) – Yesterday it was announced that former Cathedral High School football standout, Terry McLaurin, has requested a trade. Should the Colts look at acquiring McLaurin? Would you trade Alec Pierce for McLaurin? Jake and Eddie debate.
(10:21-20:57) – Indiana Fever television broadcaster, Pat Boylan, joins Jake Query to discuss the recent stretch of play for the Indiana Fever without Caitlin Clark, highlights how important this next couple of weeks are for the Fever, agrees with Jake that it will be challenging for the Fever to find some practice time the next week so that Caitlin Clark can get work with the team, and comments on the Pacers Radio Network dinner from last night.
(20:57-44:14) – The Fan Morning Show’s Kevin Bowen joins Jake Query for his weekly conversation to chat about last night’s night practice at Grand Park for the Indianapolis Colts, discusses what difference he has seen from Laiatu Latu to start year two, weighs in on if it make sense for the Colts to trade for Micah Parsons or Terry McLaurin, admits that Tyler Warren had the best catch of training camp last night, and shares how the linebackers have performed thus far.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, it's official. I've got the see if I
can put it on the camera here where you can
see it. See that, Eddie, can you see it on
the on the YouTube camera?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Is that the key lime pie milkshake?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It is, Buddy, how's a taste like a subtle key
lime pie? It's outstanding? Absolutely outstanding. Do you know who
else is outstanding and has been for really the totality
of his NFL career? And he is a receiver that
is both dynamic in yards after catch.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I think he's a physical receiver.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He brings a lot to the table and entering the
final year of a three year deal with the Washington
Commanders that will pay him fifteen point five million dollars
this season. But Terry McLaurin, the former Cathedral Star, has
apparently requested a trade.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Is he requesting a trade because he truly is over
it and wants to move on, or is he requesting
a trade as a negotiating ploy to get more money
out of what Washington may offer to him. Those are
questions that you absolutely have to take into mind in consideration.
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But there are certain things that you look at all
of us when you impulse buy something and you don't
need it, and you know you don't need it, but
you're like, man, I don't know that I'll ever have
this opportunity again, you know. You you say to somebody,
that's a cool sweatshirt, like, yeah, weirdest thing. I was
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at the store and it was actually in the middle
of July and it was hot. I didn't need the sweatshirt,
but it's normally a one hundred and twenty dollars sweatshirt,
and because it was hot outside and they were doing
a clearance sale, I got it for forty bucks. I
couldn't pass on it. I had to get it. And
it feels to me a little bit like and I
honestly do not know. We'll talk to Kevin Bowen about
(01:55):
this when he joins us just how realistic Chris Ballad
of the Colts would even be about the thought of
acquiring Terry McLaurin. And my personal feeling on it is
probably not very because it's not a position of need
at all. Fifteen point five for his for what he
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brings to the table is I mean, that's fifteen point
five bucks a lot of money, but that's really kind
of a value for what he does bring to the table,
but you are bringing in Terry m whoever trades for him,
assuming that that is going to happen. And again, this
may be a ploy and he ends up getting a
massive deal from Washington. We've seen that before as well.
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But if someone were to trade for Terry McLaurin, then
what they need to do obviously is you are when
you would not trade for that guy unless one of
two things was the case. Number one, if you were
a player away this year and you got to push
all in. And the Colts have made that mistake before.
(03:02):
Now totally different scenario and contribution level. But when they
went and got Andre Johnson, you know, Andre Johnson was
a guy that everybody thought, oh my gosh, this is massive.
They went out and they signed Frank Gore and Andre
Johnson and the Colts right then that was when you know,
Griggs is wheeling and dealing, backing up the brinks truck.
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And and with that, Andrey Johnson got here and you're like,
oh my gosh, this guy fell off a cliff. Now
McLaurin is not there, but he is thirty years old.
And if you're getting him, you were getting him either
a because you feel he is the last piece for
your team that puts you over the top. And that's
not the case with the Colts. The Colts are not
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that player away. They're just not. You can say they are,
but they're not. The other thing is, then if you
were to go to get him, then you go and
get him with the understanding that you are going to
resign him. And if he were to come here because
you're there are teams that could use him for a
one year rental, so to speak, and you know, Buffalo
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or Detroit, you know that need a weapon. It's like,
you know what, that'll put us right over the top.
That is not the case with the Colts. So then
if you are the Colts, or you are Tampa, or
you're New Orleans or somebody that's going out and getting
him because here is a dynamic player that can change
the trajectory of your franchise, you're only going to do that.
You're not gonna you know, what good is that gonna
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do you for this year if you're not going to
be a competing team. So therefore you you have to
get him to resign him, and then you get into
the finagling of money that I don't think Indianapolis is
in the position for because number one, they do have
a decent receiver room not game I mean, I mean
not like eye popping.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
But Pittman is a very good player.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
We saw what he was able to do a year
ago while dinged up for that matter, and without a
lot of stretch around him to kind of ease things up,
you know, like like, for example, now what you're gonna
get with Warren across the middle and the softening of
defenses in areas that Pittman is effective and they have
if Ady Mitchell is able to get going and find
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some footing this year, you have not one, but two
guys that can get out behind the defense, and you
have Josh Downs that can create in space for you.
So I don't know that there's really the need for McLaurin,
but I also understand that he might be that super
high grade thing that you want because there is a
it was the bargain by the bought in July. I
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get it. I totally are in this case, August. I
totally get it. But to me, it doesn't it would
not I wouldn't be I wouldn't hate it if they
went out and got him. But Eddie, you tell me
if you agree or disagree. I don't think that is
one that sure he's a great player. I don't think
he's a great player that if he were not a
(05:55):
native of Indianapolis, I don't know that we're having the discussion.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's a very solid point, Jake.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
If he does not go to Cathedra High School, I
don't think we're having this discussion. But another aspect of
McLaurin that is like just off the field, is that
you hear about the things like Alex Smith said when
Alex Smith was with Washington and he was in the
early stages of his career and other teammates like Bobby
Wagner are currently at Washington and other guys that have
played with McLaurin, is that his leadership is something that
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everyone values in the locker room and everyone listens when
he speaks because he's just a very humble guy. He
goes out there, he puts in the work, and he
holds people accountable, and knowing Chris Ballard, that's something that
he values. And potentially you have to sniff around to
see what it would cost, like would you trade Alec
Pierce if they let's say Chris Ballard calls up Washington
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and they're like, yeah, let's say Alec.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Pearson the third or Alec Pearson a fourth round.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Tick, are you pulling the trigger because you would have
to pay McLaurin because he's wanting thirty million a year.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, here's the thing. Do you think Washington does that?
U nless Washington knows they're getting nothing for him. Does
Washington trade McLaurin for the Yeah, you'd get the pick,
but you get Alec Pierce back, who's a good player.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But Ala Pierce saw sweat a contract here, right, So.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Washington then runs the risk of losing McLaurin for simply,
in the long term, a fifth rounder. I think he's
a guy. I mean I think he is an upper
upper upper echelon receiver. He's in the top quartile of
the top quartile, and that's rare air. And for that reason,
I think he's a guy that you would have to throw.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You would think that a.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Second probably and a fifth and the player would be
the starting point, don't you think. Ian Marshall Falk and
I know that we're talking about a quarter century ago,
but Marshall Falk in his prime, Marshall Falk had two
MVP seasons left in him and two Super Bowl runs
with Saint Louis, and Saint Louis was able to get
him then for a second and fifth rounder. So you know,
(08:02):
maybe McLaurin maybe right. I mean, maybe McLaurin does get
but I think you have to throw in a second.
You know, if Pierce is thrown in, then maybe, But
the I think we forget how much teams are hesitant
to take guys that have mileage.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
On the tires. I mean, that's the fault thing in
the second and five.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
But it does feel to me like if you were
going to throw Pierce in just because he contractually is
in the same spot, you would have to throw probably
a fifth and then also a second because they would
be weary of losing Pierce at the end of the year. Well,
you know, Alex Pierce may have a good year for
the Colts, and go ahead, go ahead, Eddie.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
I was gonna say, I think that Pierce no okate
some of the things that McLaurin does in terms of
being able to win down the field. And it's gonna
save Washington some money because they already got to be
in this mindset and I know it's only a year
two for Jenny Daniels.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And he's got three more years team control.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
But they've got to look at areas in which they
can save some money against the cap to try to
continue to build around Janey Daniels while.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
He's on that rookie contract.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
And I just feel like if Pierce is going to,
you know, get twenty million dollars around there on the
open market, it saves them anywhere from eight to twelve
million a year if they decide to take on Pierce
instead of somebody else. And Kevin Bowen mentioned this after
the draft in a couple of different times that he's
heard that the Colts got offered a second round pick
for Alc Peerce, so his skill set is valued across
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the league, and the Colts elected to keep him instead
of taking back a second round pick. And I'd have
to assume that if Washington is real and does start
entertaining offers for Terry McLaurin, they're going to be looking
for somebody that can replace Pierce in that or replace
McLaurin in that way. And I think Pierce would be
able to do that, you know, I think actually Pierce.
(09:48):
It's interesting when you talk about Alec Pierce. I think
his skill set is respected around the league because I
think there probably are a lot of football people that
you know, understand that Alec Pierce has been playing that
position with inconsistent quarterback play, and therefore there is more
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there than what the numbers would show. That has to
be I would think has to be considered within the
equation of kind of the value or the assessment of
Alec Pierce joining us now on the guest line and
probably wishing that he was instead enjoying a smoke gutacue sandwich.
Is Pat Boylin, who, of course you see television with
(10:30):
the Indiana Fever Fever on a win streak, but again,
Caitlin Clark is out, and that is the big question, Pat,
I will begin with that, and that is not necessarily
to ask you right off the top, So win's Kaitlyn
Clark coming back? But rather the things that Stephanie White
or this roster have done to acclimate themselves without clearly
what is their dynamic player in Kaitlyn Clark. But they
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are playing well and they have been able to do
so based on doing what.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, and there's no question Jake that the Fever need
her back to ultimately hit, you know, the goals that
they want to hit this season. That's unquestioned. Indiana is
playing really well without her right now, but at the
end of the day, they still need her as you
get closer to playoff time here. But in the meantime,
you know, it's amazing to me how well the offense
has flowed here lately. They put up ninety three in
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Chicago and then did that even better, one or two
times better on Wednesday in their most recent game, and
they did so interestingly, you know, in a game without
Caitlin Clark where Kelsey Mental scored just eight points and
Aliah Boston didn't really get going until the fourth quarter.
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I think you're just seeing this team flowing a lot better,
gelling together. I don't know that it's one massive, significant thing.
I think it's just the process of having time and
cohesion and chemistry kind of locking into place. You know,
the challenge with this season not only has been not
having Caitlin Clark, but it's there's been no ability to
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gain any sort of rhythm or stability. They played, you know,
four games with her and then four games without her,
and then five games with her in five games without her,
so not only is it a challenge to not have
your best player on the floor, but it's a challenge
to try to figure out your identity and gain chemistry.
And I think you're just seeing things start to lock
in and slow but a whole lot better. And when
you consider that they put up one hundred and seven points,
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which is the third most points they've ever scored in
the history of the franchise. If you would have said
that that was going to happen this year, you would
have said, oh, I bet Caitlin Clark had twenty five
points at fifteen assists and Kelsey Mitchell went for thirty. No,
Clark's not on the floor. It was a rare off
game for Mitchell, who's otherwise been on a tear here
the last month plus, which, in general, the answer to
(12:43):
your question, Kelsey Mitchell's play I think has been really significant.
But you know, in their most recent game against Phoenix,
I just thought it was really noteworthy how well they
played offensively without Clark, without a massive performance from Kelsey
Mitchell and Erry McDonald stepped up in a big way.
But I think you're really starting to see the chemistry
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come together, which this group just hasn't had any consistency
or lineup consistency all year.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Speaking of chemistry coming together, I noticed last night the
radio playback playboys for the Pacers. Mark Boyle posted a
photo of the annual Pacers radio dinner that you guys do.
It was Mark Boyle, it was Scott Fince Demaker also
known as Cookie, who is the engineer for you guys.
Eddie Garrison was there yourself and Mark and it was
at Mama corrolas I believe he said, who bought.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Mark buys for those Mark always buy.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Always outstanding, and so did Eddie take home seconds.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Eddie was very well behaved. I'll give him credit, you know.
He ordered politely. See that's the thing Mark. Mark gives
you the ability to order whatever you want. And sometimes
it's at you know, a place like a steakhouse where
you can.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Really run up a high bill.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
But Eddie, Eddie was gracious in his order.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I know. When I was a kid, my dad would
always say, order whatever you'd like, just make sure you
eat it all okay, fine, you know, And I was
a bottomless pit from like age eleven to fifteen, so
that was all good.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Pat The.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Schedule itself Eddie and I talked about this earlier, and
I want your input on it. When you look realistically
at the fever schedule, and we talked to Stephanie White
about this, it is you know, it's challenging. Between now
and the seventeenth, there is there are There is no
time where they have I think more than two days
off between games or three days off between games.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Between now and the seventeenth.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
They really packed them in and his compact and Stephanie
White talked about the importance of not necessarily just an
air drop in of Kaitlyn Clark, but several practices to
get going. And obviously with that schedule, you're gonna have
some days off from practice. Does that mean, especially if
they're able to keep things going the way that they
are right now, that they could perhaps push it into
(14:51):
the seventeenth, when they then get five days off and
that would be a proper time to reacclimate.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, you know, it's a really good question, and I
think everything you're saying makes a lot of logical sense.
I just don't have any idea, frankly, And I was
actually listening to Stephanie on your show a few days
ago to try to see if she would drop an
easter eggs or any hints, and as you.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Know, she didn't.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
But you know, I think the one thing you said
there is important, and it is the one thing that
I believe ardently in this process is that they're going
to bring her back and give her plenty of times
practice to get there. So that's going to be your
key to knowing she's getting closer. Is Okay, she's practicing,
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she's playing, she's attempting and and getting on the floor
and and and getting involved in numerous practices. I think
that's going to be your sign that she's getting closer.
And you know, whether or not the team playing better
at least right now, hopefully that's still the case when
we're talking in a week or two. You know, maybe
that makes things easier, Maybe that makes you feel like
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you don't have to press to push Caitlin back, But
I don't think the franchise was going to do that anyway.
I think even if you know the team was really struggling,
they've got to get Caitlin Clark back at one hundred
percent and they need her to be able to play
the rest of the way when she comes back. Now
with injuries you can never guarantee that, and you never
know what's going to happen here. But when she comes back,
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they're going to need it to be for the rest
of the regular season and through this playoff run and
to not have these four or five game stretches. And
then unfortunately another injury has cropped up. And again you
can only control so much there. I mean, some of
this is just frankly bad luck. I fever have not
been aggressive in pushing her back. In fact, the last time,
I think they probably could have brought her back a
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couple of games earlier, and Stephanie White spoke to this,
but they decided not to put her on a minute's restriction,
to wait until they felt like she could go, you know,
a full slate of minutes, and then another injury just
crops back up. So I think the good thing is
they're more than keeping the boat afloat right now. That
definitely makes it easier. Whether it changes the timeline or not,
(16:59):
I don't know, but I think you're going to be
tipped off to when she's getting closer by, when you
start to see her practicing more.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
By the way Pat I aired, I completely forgot it
was not intentional in the photo that Eddie White was
there as well. And I guess the beauty of that
is if Mark, here's the beauty, If Mark Boyle is
paying and Eddie White's there, you might as well order
everything off the menu because you don't have to talk.
You can just eat the entire time because Eddie White's
at the affair, right.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You know, it was interesting because we were, oh, I
would say, thirty minutes into getting our entrees and everybody
has wrapped up. And I think the quote that Mark
said verbatim was Eddie, it doesn't even look like you started,
and so you have that me.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
See, this is a zero surprise to me, like zero surprise, right,
And that didn't even and that was without even anybody mentioning,
Notre Dame and Dan Marino. So I mean, can you
only imagine, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Thank you, great story.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I'll give him that.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I'll give him that he does, there's no question about that.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Pat Boyling is our guest talking about the fever all
right challenge that is created with Dallas. Who is next
on the schedule that game tonight? Uh seven thirty tip?
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah? That is right?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
This is an eye on game, so we don't have it.
John Nolan, Bria Gots will have it. I assume Eddie
as well.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
On the station right here correct on.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
The radio, Dallas is a really interesting scene. You know,
they've got a lot of talent, but right now is
if they're far from a finished product. Page Becker's is
you know, a lot like Caitlin Clark in that she
is drawing a lot of eyeballs. She's a really talented rookie.
You know, maybe not quite at the level that Caitlin
was performing her rookie season, but that's an extremely high bar.
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She's playing really, really well. Arique Adoombawalle is, you know,
just a bucket getter out of Notre Dame and a
really tough player to defend. So they're what I consider dangerous.
They're probably not considered good yet at least, but they're
dangerous and on any given night they can be really,
really challenging. And I look at this four game road
trip as a hole and Jake, I think it might
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be the most important stretch of the schedule here because
you don't have Caitlin Clark, you are playing well, You're
on a three game winning streak, You're three games over
five hundred for the first time all year. You're in
a pretty good spot all things considering and all the
challenges you've had to deal with this year, you're in
a pretty decent spot. Can you keep the boat afloat
here on this four game road trip and if you can,
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If you can do that, then you're coming home for
three and those next four games when you come back
off of the road trip are all against teams below
you in the standing. So I think it's really setting
up for a situation like this. If you can, if
you can play well on this four game road trip,
you can come back home hopefully, then you're starting to
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think about a return for Caitlin Clark. The schedule is
deeping up, you're getting more home games. I've made the
comparison before, but I really do think there's a potential
for the Fever to experience something like the Pacers just did,
which is all sorts of injuries in the first half
of the season, the team really never gelled all that well,
and then once things started to click, they really really clicked.
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So I think there's, you know, hopefully an exciting potential
to experience something similar for the Fever here, which is
why I think this road trip is so important. If
you can do well on the road trip, even if
you go two and two, I personally would take that.
If you're a player or a coach, you can't think
that way. But if you can go two and two,
you're three games over, you're in a good spot. You're
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coming back home, the schedules lightening up. I think you've
got a real opportunity for a strong final push of
the season.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
So I do think.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Starting with Dallas here tonight, you're looking at some really
important games on tap.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Buddy Pat Boylan, of course you see him for the
Fever broadcasts. Tonight, you can hear the game right here
on this radio station. Eddie Garrison Won'll have the pre
game as well. Pat appreciate it as always. Enjoy the
take home leftovers from last night.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Likewise, Jay, thank you all right.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Pat Boylan joining us Kevin Bowen joined us now on
the program last night. I thought it was very cool
Kevin in the fact that after the Colts practice you
posted a video recapping it, and I could tell that
you had kind of an appreciation for what you'd just seen.
In the fact that before we get to the football
aspect of it. I just thought it was a cool,
you know, seemingly cool atmosphere, cool environment, and fun for
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fans to be able to go out and enjoy.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
I'll start here going from Bob Cavoyan to Kevin Bowen's
like Peyton Manning to you know, whatever I would look
like at quarterback. I'll try my best to you know,
take that torch.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
But yeah, I thought last night was awesome.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
I thought of you were agran park. I thought you
got a great bang for your buck. I thought it
was one of the more entertaining practices. Frankly, I've ever
seen just a ton of eleven on eleven activity that
threw the ball around the yard and some big plays
and then you had a really fun.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Fireworks show, little light show in the skies of Westfield.
So I thought it was really well executed. And I
know I've probably saw this before, but I think the
Colts just.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Such an out standing job a training camp. Teams just
don't do this anymore in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
And it's a great facility up there, it's.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Easy to get to, there's plenty of parking, it's super affordable.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Teams are don't do that anymore. So yeah, I thought
it was an awesome night.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Up and left field.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay, I'll give you Kevin the pick here pace or
I'm looking at a guy in a pacer shit. Maybe
think Colts currently on the roster or players that people
are gonna want on the Colts roster.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
We're gonna discuss both. Which one do you want to
lead with?
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Let's go the latter.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Okay, players that people would like to see on the roster.
I'll begin with not the one you think I'm gonna
ask about, and that's Michael Parsons, fifty two and a
half sacks, twenty six years old, two time you know,
pro bowler, All Pro Player, defensive Rookie of the Year,
coming out of college. And apparently things are getting icy
in Dallas. Now, something might have happened this afternoon since
(22:53):
I got on that. I'm unaware and by no means
have I heard any connection to Indianapolis and Michael parson
since at all. But if he is a player that
has suddenly made available, is he one that a the
Colts would take a look at? And b is it
possible that the Colts internally are starting to see glimpses
of the fact that he might not be necessary.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Well, how may I.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Think it's very premature to say the last part just
because Michael Parks.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Is done and on Sundays, you know, for several years now.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Yeah, obviously, play like.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Michael Parkers could do wonders for your football team. But
you know, given how the Colts typically operate, I would venture.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
To guess it would be a no. I don't again
want to act like Putty.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Pay and my House New Law too and J. C.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
Tuli Malau would create a situation where no, you know,
we we feel like that we're good in this situation.
I just you know, when you think about draft that conversation,
you think about how much money would be, you think
about the realistic nature.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
I don't I don't see that.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
I guess s beeing realistic is probably where I would
go more than anything. But yeah, if they can get
one of especially Laws who were paid well, I've had
really good nights last night, particularly a lot too. If
they can get either of them even sniffed, you know,
half of what Michael Parsons has done so far, that'd
be really the best edge erustion season they've had since
Robert Mathis hung it up.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You know, the latter part of a lot too.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I do feel Kevin pretty good about because when I
look at a year ago, and I know that because
of where he was drafted, because of the praise at
which he was drafted, the first defensive player drafted. You know,
people expect to pop out numbers right away. But even
if you look at well, for that matter, both Breenie
and mathis. You know, that's a position that I think
the timing takes a while of just knowing, like you know,
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jumping arounte or learning a move, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I think sometimes it takes a year or so.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Aside from the obvious, which is he was at the quarterback.
What looks different about lat two than say a year
ago in terms of like comfort level or even just
the way in which he's playing.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Yeah, I don't think there was like massive like body
you know, like like a serious focus. You know, hey,
I'm gonna gain x amount of muscle or lose x
amount of what like. I don't think there was either
that from a year one of years too. You know,
I don't know how much you would admit this, but
it felt like he hit a rookie wall last year.
If you look at the last handful of games. It
just wasn't near the same sort of production that he
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could produced in the first ten or twelve. And you know, obviously,
going for a college season which is right at twelve
to the full season which is you know, seventeen, that's
not the most shocking thing in the world. So you know,
is it from whatever conditioning standpoint that maybe he can
get to that mark. I thought what was impressive, you know,
from him last night is him he'd Braden Smith several times.
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And you know at UCLA he showcased the ability to
rush from both sides. That's not you know, a given
When you get a lot of these college rushers, you know,
they might just be, hey, I come up the right
side or I come off the left side, and I
don't really have a whole lot of if you flip
who seems to have a little bit of that ability,
So you know, I think that's got to be a
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active to Luian Arumo. And again I thought he had
a really productive play. It's hard he scrimmages for the
pass rush to really you know, finished plays. But I
would think he had probably three sacks blown dead and
you're talking three sacks and probably I don't know twenty
ish snaps. Maybe a little bit more than that. I mean,
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that's a big, big number when you think about kind of.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
The normal game.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The other player not on the roster whose name is
going to be floated about, Kevin Bow and our guests,
by the way, you hear him every morning from seven
until ten on the Morning Show, along with James Boyd
and jeff Rickord. So Kevin, the other name is obviously
that of your high school. In terms of a product,
Terry McLaurin, who in Washington is in the final year
of a deal that would pay him fifteen point five million. Obviously,
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if because he has requested a trade, maybe that is
simply a contract negotiation move by Terry mclauren. But if
he were to be moved to a French one would
assume that it would be with the understanding that you
also are going to be able to sign him and
get him beyond just a one year rental unless he
is a final piece player for somebody. And I don't
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think the Colts are a player away your assessment of
that conversation and talking point.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Yeah, I think the Colts are very very high in
their wide out group right now. There's certainly been many years.
I'd argue almost all of them in the Christoud era,
where I don't think that statement would have had.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
A whole lot of merit.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
But you know, last night, you know you could probably
see a glimpse of that, you know, arguably one of
the better players in the field last night with Dadi Mitchell.
He's your fourth wide out. So you know, I kind
of look at, you know, Michael Pittman junior in a
pseudo contract year, Alex Peerson then actual contract year. You
know what exactly is that going to look like? And
you know, there's no way, I guess to say this
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without it sounding like a shot of Terry McLaurin, because
he has had a hell of an NFL career so far.
But it's wild to see how that age thirty franti
a white out seems to be such a falling off
a cliff for twenty guys. And so if you're the Colts,
you're gonna sit here and say, well, we love our
whiteout group, but we're gonna give up draft picks and
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whatever thirty million to pay a thirty year old plus
white out. When again Pierce is a free agent, you know,
we'll see about Michael Pittman Jr. Obviously Mclaurin's been better
than those two. But I just don't, you know, I
actually don't think the urgency maybe is this you know,
wild as it has been before at receiver. I'm curious
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to see how things will play out for Sarry Mclaurin's.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Kind of a white It's a really unique situation. I
don't think you see this too many.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
Times in the month of August, and you know, how
is it going to go over the next month or
so with a team that you know many are probably
thinking can make a run again in the NFC. There, Yeah, shockingly,
I just don't view white your other positions in the
team where maybe you would look at it and say, yeah,
you know, maybe there is a little bit more of
(28:58):
a heightened interest there, But I think internally they still
feel really really good out whether they're at a white out.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
You know, the the white out position.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Alec Pierce obviously the name that comes to mind when
you're talking about contractual things. What do you think things
stand on that, Kevin, do you think that's one of
those that just it's kind of an automatic and he
gets re signed before the end of the year or
do you think Alec Pierce without necessarily saying it, may
be looking at a place where he can get more
quarterback consistency.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Yeah, I think definitely the latter.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
And just in general, what does the NFL market think
to them? You know, I mean, he brings a trait
that is really rare, and that's the ability to just
take the top off defense, to let the NFL in
yards for Cats last year with obviously very mediocre quarterback play.
So I could see him getting a to some maybe
a surprisingly big deal. And you know, I actually posed
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this question Rick von Terry earlier in the week when
we had him on of you know again, Michael Pittman Jr.
He will be in the Terry McLaurin age range contract
range next offseason. Now, again he's not the player, but
end of the second contract, you know, signed a three
year deal, the thought is get back to free agency
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for a third time and really cash in. And so
you know, I kind of pose the question to Rick, just, hey,
would you rather have Alec? Would rather Michael Pittman Jr.
Two very different players, And you know, I think he
pretty much said he would rather have Alec Pierce, you know,
and he looks at it obviously through a lens of hey,
what strikes fearing me as a defensive coordinator. Well, you know,
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I can live with Pittman having you know, seven catches
for seventy two yards in a game, but Pierce pops
off a couple thirty yarders.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Boom, the game's changed.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
So that is one that I think is a great
debate and one you could definitely have.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
And you know, Ady.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Mitchell's arrival emergence everyone to describe it, I think will
certainly factor into things as well. But yeah, Pierce is
going to do a big, big payday, and I can
kind of see probably more from his camp not wanting
to necessarily jump at a contract extension if the Colts
did present him with one. I know, he again has
been a you know, small catch guy in terms of
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pure numbers through his first three seasons. But you know,
league wide, if you don't have that elementar your offense,
but you feel like you have a quarterback that can
tap into more of that, that'd probably be pretty attractive
on the open market.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
The eighty Mitchell emergence that we have seen Kevin has
that stayed now as the norm or did he have
kind of a breakout and then go back to being
eighty Mitchell.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
I guess so far in camp I would describe Mitchell
as super inconsistent, borderline bad the first three or four days,
several drops in team sessions, and then I thought this
week he was much better, particularly last night, Like you know,
earlier in the week, I think some of the stuff
he did was a little bit more in kind of
one on one or seven on sevens. But you know,
for those that were there last night, a him down
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the field make a couple of big plays. There was
a throw that Daniel Jones had that I thought Jones
was simply throwing it out of bounds and Mitchell was
able to get a toe tap down and boy that
was close, but I'm pretty sure the officials ruled it
as a catch there. So again, in a team setting,
much more from him, which you know that's the issue.
It's like, you know, he gets open, but then you
(32:23):
target him and you might as well flip a coin
and you might have a better success rate than thinking
he's gonna come down with a with a catch. So yeah,
I think now you kind of look forward to, Okay,
what's next week. He's been really bad and really good
what about against an opposing team, you know, joint practice,
preseason game, and then if you want to spend it forward,
if he does start to show more and more promise,
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you know, how do you factor him into playing time?
Speaker 6 (32:48):
You know, how much does he cut into.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Michael Pittman Junior and Alec Pierson a little bit of
Josh downs as well. So obviously be a great problem
to have, but we'll see how the rest of August
plays though.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Tyler Warren last night had the catch of camp true
or false?
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Oh easily? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I'd say one
of the best catches I've seen in training camp period.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
I felt bad for jailing Carli as a linebacker and coverage.
I'm like, dude, you did everything.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
You could have.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
When Joe threw it, I was like, this ball is
going to go over Kyler Warren ted and you overthrow
somebody in the middle of the field and you're probably
getting kicked off like fifty percent of the time. So yeah,
that was I mean for a tight end to have
that type of body control and I mean literally tipped
the ball up with the left it hauled in with
the right wall fall into the ground and getting Carlis
(33:37):
was all over him. Yeah, it's definitely easily the best
catch of Colts Camp this year, and I say one
of the better ones I've.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Seen in a while.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Kevin Bowen our guest.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I am lied by the way, at the American Dairy
Association of Indiana's Dairy Bar Great Indiana State Fair. Today
is the opening day, nine until nine. They're hours for
each day except for Mondays of the fair, where you
can come and get amongst o there's the Key Lime
milkshake or all of their grilled cheese offerings and the
other dairy products. Okay, Kevin, you mentioned right there the
linebacker position. That's one that we haven't talked as much about.
(34:10):
I mean, it's certainly this show we haven't and I
think in general, the coverage of the Colts has been
so hyper focused, understandably so on quarterback and then as well,
you know, just keeping an eye on those receivers, the
corner backs, the defensive backfield will get to that. There's
you know, you got to go now with depth there
and Chris Ballard dipped into his rolodex in that regard.
(34:30):
But let's go to linebackers. You have not talked a
lot about it, your overall assessment of that group so
far through camp well.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
For Radaransom Flee.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
Just because you know, here we are seven days into
it was yet to Seesi or Franklin. I don't know
if the worry meter is super high, but I don't
think it's ideal that the quarterback of your defense is
yet to a practice. He's been out for I guess
about probably three months at this point. I want to
say he had that surgery is kind of early May,
and says I can said that he should be back
(35:00):
this week, So I don't know. It feels like maybe
that could be happening a little bit later this week.
So yeah, that's probably worth pointing out. For last night, Yes,
the offense had plenty of fireworks, but you know, you
could argue they were missing their best defensive linemen and
DeForest Buckner, their best linebacker in Franklin, and then their
best cornerback in Tavarisward. A guy by name of Joe
(35:23):
Bachi has been I think pretty good number forty eight
for those that have been out there.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
He came over from Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Kind of sounds like a World Series of Poker player.
I feel like they're like Tanda like table six, here's
Joe Bachi here and you know he's got the sun.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
To me, that sounds like a closer for the Minnesota Twins.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Sure, I don't know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Yeah, yeah I could. I could definitely hear that.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
So yeah, mostly a special steamer in his career, but
you know he's gotten a little bit of chance here
defensively and has made some place Camber grown the LC products.
He is factored in some things. So again, it's a
group that does not have a lot of resume. The
deeper you get in the depth chart. Even Jalen Carlis,
who's a starter, has not played a whole lot. I mean,
he was a rookie last year and it fits around
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pick out of out of Missouri. So that's a position
group that I do think you have some more. I
think a position group the Colts largely don't really care
about though. I think if you were going to rank
the positions position groups on the team, they just don't
view it in the same light as some others, which
I can get. And in today's NFL you probably don't
play as many linebackers as you used to. But yeah,
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Franklin Is probably is probably the one. You know, for
the most part, it's been a rather quiet injury camp,
but his lingering status continues, and a guy that really
has not been hurt much at all in his Colt's career.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
You know, when you just mentioned injuries, you know, obviously
at corner you got Jalen Jones at corner that has
the hamstring issue. Juju Brentz also has been dinged up yesterday,
And I know you don't read a lot into this,
but they did go out and kick the tires then
out on a couple of veterans at corner. They looked
in what way would you assess that position? I'll be
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it an incomplete last night based on those players.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
Yeah, I mean I actually make a fair take to
read into something. I mean, anytime a team signs they
actually just signed another corner a little bit ago. So
they fined three corners in the last you know whatever
twenty four hours, and I think they maybe cut one.
So yeah, I mean last night they had three three
of their top five out. I'd probably label Travarious Ward
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number one, and then you know Jones and Juju Bred's
probably four or five something in that range. So yeah,
I mean, clearly you know, their cornerback depth is going
to be tested a little bit here right now, and
hamstrings can be very naggy, and I think one thing
to kind of nerd out a little bit about corner wise,
they did sign two corners that are under six foot,
and both the corners Hurt and Jones and Brents are
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over six foot, so you know, it's one of the
things where Chris Out again was very stringe at times
on that hype requirement at corner, but it seems like
they're a little bit more open minded under lu Ana
Arumo to not be maybe a stringent there. They brought
over a defensive backs coach from the Giants, and Jerome Henderson.
He has history with both of the corners that they
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signed yesterday, so you know, obviously familiarity can kind of
lead to some things. But yeah, I mean right now,
I mean a week endo camp and the only real
injuries unless I'm just missing one, obviously, you have franklin
Is to your fourth and fifth corner. Like when you're
talking about the two deep depth chart, I mean, that's
pretty good, especially when you consider some of the teams
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around the league. So obviously we'll see how the health
continues to play out, but so far it hasn't been
too alarming.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Don't laugh at this next question, Kevin, You ready?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
I mean I've said some pretty dumb things to you,
mostly mostly on the air for that matter, over the
course of our time in radio together. And I'm gonna
make I'm gonna ask you a question, and I want
you to answer the question by telling me how dumb
a question it is?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
You ready?
Speaker 6 (39:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Is the quarterback barring injury? Is the quarterback competition over?
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Barring injury?
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Is a quarterback competition?
Speaker 7 (39:15):
Over?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Now?
Speaker 7 (39:17):
I will say you and I chatted for about ten
or fifteen minutes pre show. It's one of the few
times I've ever hung up and been like, wow, Jake
didn't say anything dumb to me during during.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
That song conversation there, So yeah, Well, but you did
hear me getting scolded by a cop for going down
the wrong way of a street that I thought I
was supposed to be going the other way?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
So yes, I mean there was there.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
We thought I thought we were back at the combine
When that was happening, I go, oh, no, did he
forget us credential again?
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Is he going to drop? Do you know who I
am I know, no cop at the at the State Fair.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Well, you back me up on this.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I was, I was pulling into the State Fair and
he was like, hey man, you're going in the exit.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
And I said, well, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
If that's the exit, like your cars parked in it,
So I assumed if that's the entry lane, your cars
parked in it the wrong way. So that was the exit.
And and give him credit, Kevin, you heard it. He
actually kind of like he was kind of like, yeah, actually,
you know what, you're not wrong here. Let me let
you through, right. I mean that that basically is how
that went down, right.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Yeah, that is uh, that is what I uh, he
was through the phone.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
There is the starting quarterback competition over barring injury.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
I don't know if I'm there with the sharpie just yet.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
I mean, I don't know. Maybe you start writing reaches
his name in ten a little bit. I didn't change seconds.
More open minded to Daniel Jones than people want to.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Really admit, or.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
I also feel you can't.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
And actually was chatting with a colleague last night on
the sideline too. You know we kind of had this
similar question of like, hey, what are we doing here?
Could we just you know, could they just name a starter?
Speaker 6 (40:46):
I'm like, you can't.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
I mean, if you're going to preach competition for nine months,
are you really going to name a starter before you
even face another team in the free season. It just
kind of seems to go against like the.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
Whole competition, competition, all of that.
Speaker 7 (40:58):
It's like, well, you know, I'd probably like to see
Richardson go against Baltimore and maybe even Green Bay as well,
and of course throw in the preseason game. So yeah,
I do think Richardson has done a nice job here
early on. I don't think Danion Jones has done anything
to be wildly impressive. So I can hear you out,
but I tend to think not yet yet. I mean, you,
(41:20):
you know, whatever you're sending at the mid term, if
you're Richardson, you feel pretty good. But I think you're
still a couple of boxes to the techs.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
But Richardson does at this point, Kevin, he has displayed
the things I think, and you tell me if I'm wrong.
But it seems as though from both an accuracy standpoint
and just overall and approach and demeanor standpoint, it looks
like Anthony Richardson is showing the glimpses of the signs
(41:49):
that we were hoping he would show fair.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
I tried to channel probably you earlier this week and
I tried to make an eye doctor now of you
know they ask you to put the spoon over one eye,
and yeah, and read the.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Chart, which farmhouse is clearer A or B.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
Yes, I swear my hit rate on that's got to
be Anthony Richardson's completion percentage through.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
His first couple of seasons.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
But anyways, if you had him do that in twenty
twenty three, you had him do it in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
And now here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (42:23):
I'd say if you watch film on the first week
of camp each of those three films, you would say
that this year is the Fears. This year you feel
like the vision is is better now by no means
it's as twenty twenty, but it's been clear it's been
a little bit better from an underneath route standpoint, And
the same thing be true for Daniel Jones. I don't
think either of them have had a ball picked off
in the last three practices, and I don't remember too
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many like interceptible balls like, hey, you know, dB was
right there.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
And just dropped it.
Speaker 7 (42:49):
So that is definitely not what has happened to three
percent in years past. So again, will it translate when
you know, you know what gets real?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
But now that is a definite difference from the first
two years of him.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
You know. The other thing that is so easy to forget.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
And I know you're talking about the vision of twenty twenty,
but if it's the year twenty twenty, Anthony Richardson was
only eighteen years old, you know, I think we forget
that this is a guy that is still what twenty
three years old, just turned twenty three years old. It
feels like by now he's twenty six or twenty seven.
But this is obviously a guy that that's why he
continues to get the time where people are like, why
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are they giving this guy so much time? It's because
time was something certainly that he was afforded. All right, Kevin, lastly,
before we let go, and you guys are gonna be
on the air at seven o'clock on Monday. You are
watching for or looking for what between now and then
over the course of the weekend that will be big
topis a discussion for you on Monday morning.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Yeah, I mean, does this quarterback arrow continue to point
in a better direction? Do we see the fifty fifty
sweet continue? Flit continue, They'll go back to back day
Saturday and Sunday here before heading to Baltimore. And then defensively,
we just talked about it. Franklin's gonna make his camp debut.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
That's probably what I'll be watching for.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
And that's side of the ball, all right, Kevin, appreciate
it as always.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Enjoy the weekend, all right.
Speaker 8 (44:08):
Love me to stay fair. Jealous of you right now.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Love it man.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
It's absolutely the best, no question about it. And it's
crowded today
All right, it's official. I've got the see if I
can put it on the camera here where you can
see it. See that, Eddie, can you see it on
the on the YouTube camera?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Is that the key lime pie milkshake?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It is, Buddy, how's a taste like a subtle key
lime pie? It's outstanding? Absolutely outstanding. Do you know who
else is outstanding and has been for really the totality
of his NFL career? And he is a receiver that
is both dynamic in yards after catch.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I think he's a physical receiver.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He brings a lot to the table and entering the
final year of a three year deal with the Washington
Commanders that will pay him fifteen point five million dollars
this season. But Terry McLaurin, the former Cathedral Star, has
apparently requested a trade.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Is he requesting a trade because he truly is over
it and wants to move on, or is he requesting
a trade as a negotiating ploy to get more money
out of what Washington may offer to him. Those are
questions that you absolutely have to take into mind in consideration.
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But there are certain things that you look at all
of us when you impulse buy something and you don't
need it, and you know you don't need it, but
you're like, man, I don't know that I'll ever have
this opportunity again, you know. You you say to somebody,
that's a cool sweatshirt, like, yeah, weirdest thing. I was
(01:35):
at the store and it was actually in the middle
of July and it was hot. I didn't need the sweatshirt,
but it's normally a one hundred and twenty dollars sweatshirt,
and because it was hot outside and they were doing
a clearance sale, I got it for forty bucks. I
couldn't pass on it. I had to get it. And
it feels to me a little bit like and I
honestly do not know. We'll talk to Kevin Bowen about
(01:55):
this when he joins us just how realistic Chris Ballad
of the Colts would even be about the thought of
acquiring Terry McLaurin. And my personal feeling on it is
probably not very because it's not a position of need
at all. Fifteen point five for his for what he
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brings to the table is I mean, that's fifteen point
five bucks a lot of money, but that's really kind
of a value for what he does bring to the table,
but you are bringing in Terry m whoever trades for him,
assuming that that is going to happen. And again, this
may be a ploy and he ends up getting a
massive deal from Washington. We've seen that before as well.
(02:39):
But if someone were to trade for Terry McLaurin, then
what they need to do obviously is you are when
you would not trade for that guy unless one of
two things was the case. Number one, if you were
a player away this year and you got to push
all in. And the Colts have made that mistake before.
(03:02):
Now totally different scenario and contribution level. But when they
went and got Andre Johnson, you know, Andre Johnson was
a guy that everybody thought, oh my gosh, this is massive.
They went out and they signed Frank Gore and Andre
Johnson and the Colts right then that was when you know,
Griggs is wheeling and dealing, backing up the brinks truck.
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And and with that, Andrey Johnson got here and you're like,
oh my gosh, this guy fell off a cliff. Now
McLaurin is not there, but he is thirty years old.
And if you're getting him, you were getting him either
a because you feel he is the last piece for
your team that puts you over the top. And that's
not the case with the Colts. The Colts are not
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that player away. They're just not. You can say they are,
but they're not. The other thing is, then if you
were to go to get him, then you go and
get him with the understanding that you are going to
resign him. And if he were to come here because
you're there are teams that could use him for a
one year rental, so to speak, and you know, Buffalo
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or Detroit, you know that need a weapon. It's like,
you know what, that'll put us right over the top.
That is not the case with the Colts. So then
if you are the Colts, or you are Tampa, or
you're New Orleans or somebody that's going out and getting
him because here is a dynamic player that can change
the trajectory of your franchise, you're only going to do that.
You're not gonna you know, what good is that gonna
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do you for this year if you're not going to
be a competing team. So therefore you you have to
get him to resign him, and then you get into
the finagling of money that I don't think Indianapolis is
in the position for because number one, they do have
a decent receiver room not game I mean, I mean
not like eye popping.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
But Pittman is a very good player.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
We saw what he was able to do a year
ago while dinged up for that matter, and without a
lot of stretch around him to kind of ease things up,
you know, like like, for example, now what you're gonna
get with Warren across the middle and the softening of
defenses in areas that Pittman is effective and they have
if Ady Mitchell is able to get going and find
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some footing this year, you have not one, but two
guys that can get out behind the defense, and you
have Josh Downs that can create in space for you.
So I don't know that there's really the need for McLaurin,
but I also understand that he might be that super
high grade thing that you want because there is a
it was the bargain by the bought in July. I
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get it. I totally are in this case, August. I
totally get it. But to me, it doesn't it would
not I wouldn't be I wouldn't hate it if they
went out and got him. But Eddie, you tell me
if you agree or disagree. I don't think that is
one that sure he's a great player. I don't think
he's a great player that if he were not a
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native of Indianapolis, I don't know that we're having the discussion.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's a very solid point, Jake.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
If he does not go to Cathedra High School, I
don't think we're having this discussion. But another aspect of
McLaurin that is like just off the field, is that
you hear about the things like Alex Smith said when
Alex Smith was with Washington and he was in the
early stages of his career and other teammates like Bobby
Wagner are currently at Washington and other guys that have
played with McLaurin, is that his leadership is something that
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everyone values in the locker room and everyone listens when
he speaks because he's just a very humble guy. He
goes out there, he puts in the work, and he
holds people accountable, and knowing Chris Ballard, that's something that
he values. And potentially you have to sniff around to
see what it would cost, like would you trade Alec
Pierce if they let's say Chris Ballard calls up Washington
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and they're like, yeah, let's say Alec.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Pearson the third or Alec Pearson a fourth round.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Tick, are you pulling the trigger because you would have
to pay McLaurin because he's wanting thirty million a year.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Well, here's the thing. Do you think Washington does that?
U nless Washington knows they're getting nothing for him. Does
Washington trade McLaurin for the Yeah, you'd get the pick,
but you get Alec Pierce back, who's a good player.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But Ala Pierce saw sweat a contract here, right, So.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Washington then runs the risk of losing McLaurin for simply,
in the long term, a fifth rounder. I think he's
a guy. I mean I think he is an upper
upper upper echelon receiver. He's in the top quartile of
the top quartile, and that's rare air. And for that reason,
I think he's a guy that you would have to throw.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You would think that a.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Second probably and a fifth and the player would be
the starting point, don't you think. Ian Marshall Falk and
I know that we're talking about a quarter century ago,
but Marshall Falk in his prime, Marshall Falk had two
MVP seasons left in him and two Super Bowl runs
with Saint Louis, and Saint Louis was able to get
him then for a second and fifth rounder. So you know,
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maybe McLaurin maybe right. I mean, maybe McLaurin does get
but I think you have to throw in a second.
You know, if Pierce is thrown in, then maybe, But
the I think we forget how much teams are hesitant
to take guys that have mileage.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
On the tires. I mean, that's the fault thing in
the second and five.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
But it does feel to me like if you were
going to throw Pierce in just because he contractually is
in the same spot, you would have to throw probably
a fifth and then also a second because they would
be weary of losing Pierce at the end of the year. Well,
you know, Alex Pierce may have a good year for
the Colts, and go ahead, go ahead, Eddie.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
I was gonna say, I think that Pierce no okate
some of the things that McLaurin does in terms of
being able to win down the field. And it's gonna
save Washington some money because they already got to be
in this mindset and I know it's only a year
two for Jenny Daniels.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And he's got three more years team control.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
But they've got to look at areas in which they
can save some money against the cap to try to
continue to build around Janey Daniels while.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
He's on that rookie contract.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
And I just feel like if Pierce is going to,
you know, get twenty million dollars around there on the
open market, it saves them anywhere from eight to twelve
million a year if they decide to take on Pierce
instead of somebody else. And Kevin Bowen mentioned this after
the draft in a couple of different times that he's
heard that the Colts got offered a second round pick
for Alc Peerce, so his skill set is valued across
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the league, and the Colts elected to keep him instead
of taking back a second round pick. And I'd have
to assume that if Washington is real and does start
entertaining offers for Terry McLaurin, they're going to be looking
for somebody that can replace Pierce in that or replace
McLaurin in that way. And I think Pierce would be
able to do that, you know, I think actually Pierce.
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It's interesting when you talk about Alec Pierce. I think
his skill set is respected around the league because I
think there probably are a lot of football people that
you know, understand that Alec Pierce has been playing that
position with inconsistent quarterback play, and therefore there is more
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there than what the numbers would show. That has to
be I would think has to be considered within the
equation of kind of the value or the assessment of
Alec Pierce joining us now on the guest line and
probably wishing that he was instead enjoying a smoke gutacue sandwich.
Is Pat Boylin, who, of course you see television with
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the Indiana Fever Fever on a win streak, but again,
Caitlin Clark is out, and that is the big question, Pat,
I will begin with that, and that is not necessarily
to ask you right off the top, So win's Kaitlyn
Clark coming back? But rather the things that Stephanie White
or this roster have done to acclimate themselves without clearly
what is their dynamic player in Kaitlyn Clark. But they
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are playing well and they have been able to do
so based on doing what.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, and there's no question Jake that the Fever need
her back to ultimately hit, you know, the goals that
they want to hit this season. That's unquestioned. Indiana is
playing really well without her right now, but at the
end of the day, they still need her as you
get closer to playoff time here. But in the meantime,
you know, it's amazing to me how well the offense
has flowed here lately. They put up ninety three in
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Chicago and then did that even better, one or two
times better on Wednesday in their most recent game, and
they did so interestingly, you know, in a game without
Caitlin Clark where Kelsey Mental scored just eight points and
Aliah Boston didn't really get going until the fourth quarter.
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I think you're just seeing this team flowing a lot better,
gelling together. I don't know that it's one massive, significant thing.
I think it's just the process of having time and
cohesion and chemistry kind of locking into place. You know,
the challenge with this season not only has been not
having Caitlin Clark, but it's there's been no ability to
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gain any sort of rhythm or stability. They played, you know,
four games with her and then four games without her,
and then five games with her in five games without her,
so not only is it a challenge to not have
your best player on the floor, but it's a challenge
to try to figure out your identity and gain chemistry.
And I think you're just seeing things start to lock
in and slow but a whole lot better. And when
you consider that they put up one hundred and seven points,
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which is the third most points they've ever scored in
the history of the franchise. If you would have said
that that was going to happen this year, you would
have said, oh, I bet Caitlin Clark had twenty five
points at fifteen assists and Kelsey Mitchell went for thirty. No,
Clark's not on the floor. It was a rare off
game for Mitchell, who's otherwise been on a tear here
the last month plus, which, in general, the answer to
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your question, Kelsey Mitchell's play I think has been really significant.
But you know, in their most recent game against Phoenix,
I just thought it was really noteworthy how well they
played offensively without Clark, without a massive performance from Kelsey
Mitchell and Erry McDonald stepped up in a big way.
But I think you're really starting to see the chemistry
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come together, which this group just hasn't had any consistency
or lineup consistency all year.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Speaking of chemistry coming together, I noticed last night the
radio playback playboys for the Pacers. Mark Boyle posted a
photo of the annual Pacers radio dinner that you guys do.
It was Mark Boyle, it was Scott Fince Demaker also
known as Cookie, who is the engineer for you guys.
Eddie Garrison was there yourself and Mark and it was
at Mama corrolas I believe he said, who bought.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Mark buys for those Mark always buy.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Always outstanding, and so did Eddie take home seconds.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Eddie was very well behaved. I'll give him credit, you know.
He ordered politely. See that's the thing Mark. Mark gives
you the ability to order whatever you want. And sometimes
it's at you know, a place like a steakhouse where
you can.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Really run up a high bill.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
But Eddie, Eddie was gracious in his order.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I know. When I was a kid, my dad would
always say, order whatever you'd like, just make sure you
eat it all okay, fine, you know, And I was
a bottomless pit from like age eleven to fifteen, so
that was all good.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Pat The.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Schedule itself Eddie and I talked about this earlier, and
I want your input on it. When you look realistically
at the fever schedule, and we talked to Stephanie White
about this, it is you know, it's challenging. Between now
and the seventeenth, there is there are There is no
time where they have I think more than two days
off between games or three days off between games.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Between now and the seventeenth.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
They really packed them in and his compact and Stephanie
White talked about the importance of not necessarily just an
air drop in of Kaitlyn Clark, but several practices to
get going. And obviously with that schedule, you're gonna have
some days off from practice. Does that mean, especially if
they're able to keep things going the way that they
are right now, that they could perhaps push it into
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the seventeenth, when they then get five days off and
that would be a proper time to reacclimate.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, you know, it's a really good question, and I
think everything you're saying makes a lot of logical sense.
I just don't have any idea, frankly, And I was
actually listening to Stephanie on your show a few days
ago to try to see if she would drop an
easter eggs or any hints, and as you.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Know, she didn't.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
But you know, I think the one thing you said
there is important, and it is the one thing that
I believe ardently in this process is that they're going
to bring her back and give her plenty of times
practice to get there. So that's going to be your
key to knowing she's getting closer. Is Okay, she's practicing,
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she's playing, she's attempting and and getting on the floor
and and and getting involved in numerous practices. I think
that's going to be your sign that she's getting closer.
And you know, whether or not the team playing better
at least right now, hopefully that's still the case when
we're talking in a week or two. You know, maybe
that makes things easier, Maybe that makes you feel like
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you don't have to press to push Caitlin back, But
I don't think the franchise was going to do that anyway.
I think even if you know the team was really struggling,
they've got to get Caitlin Clark back at one hundred
percent and they need her to be able to play
the rest of the way when she comes back. Now
with injuries you can never guarantee that, and you never
know what's going to happen here. But when she comes back,
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they're going to need it to be for the rest
of the regular season and through this playoff run and
to not have these four or five game stretches. And
then unfortunately another injury has cropped up. And again you
can only control so much there. I mean, some of
this is just frankly bad luck. I fever have not
been aggressive in pushing her back. In fact, the last time,
I think they probably could have brought her back a
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couple of games earlier, and Stephanie White spoke to this,
but they decided not to put her on a minute's restriction,
to wait until they felt like she could go, you know,
a full slate of minutes, and then another injury just
crops back up. So I think the good thing is
they're more than keeping the boat afloat right now. That
definitely makes it easier. Whether it changes the timeline or not,
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I don't know, but I think you're going to be
tipped off to when she's getting closer by, when you
start to see her practicing more.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
By the way Pat I aired, I completely forgot it
was not intentional in the photo that Eddie White was
there as well. And I guess the beauty of that
is if Mark, here's the beauty, If Mark Boyle is
paying and Eddie White's there, you might as well order
everything off the menu because you don't have to talk.
You can just eat the entire time because Eddie White's
at the affair, right.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You know, it was interesting because we were, oh, I
would say, thirty minutes into getting our entrees and everybody
has wrapped up. And I think the quote that Mark
said verbatim was Eddie, it doesn't even look like you started,
and so you have that me.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
See, this is a zero surprise to me, like zero surprise, right,
And that didn't even and that was without even anybody mentioning,
Notre Dame and Dan Marino. So I mean, can you
only imagine, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Thank you, great story.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I'll give him that.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I'll give him that he does, there's no question about that.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Pat Boyling is our guest talking about the fever all
right challenge that is created with Dallas. Who is next
on the schedule that game tonight? Uh seven thirty tip?
Is that right?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah? That is right?
Speaker 4 (18:10):
This is an eye on game, so we don't have it.
John Nolan, Bria Gots will have it. I assume Eddie
as well.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
On the station right here correct on.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
The radio, Dallas is a really interesting scene. You know,
they've got a lot of talent, but right now is
if they're far from a finished product. Page Becker's is
you know, a lot like Caitlin Clark in that she
is drawing a lot of eyeballs. She's a really talented rookie.
You know, maybe not quite at the level that Caitlin
was performing her rookie season, but that's an extremely high bar.
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She's playing really, really well. Arique Adoombawalle is, you know,
just a bucket getter out of Notre Dame and a
really tough player to defend. So they're what I consider dangerous.
They're probably not considered good yet at least, but they're
dangerous and on any given night they can be really,
really challenging. And I look at this four game road
trip as a hole and Jake, I think it might
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be the most important stretch of the schedule here because
you don't have Caitlin Clark, you are playing well, You're
on a three game winning streak, You're three games over
five hundred for the first time all year. You're in
a pretty good spot all things considering and all the
challenges you've had to deal with this year, you're in
a pretty decent spot. Can you keep the boat afloat
here on this four game road trip and if you can,
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If you can do that, then you're coming home for
three and those next four games when you come back
off of the road trip are all against teams below
you in the standing. So I think it's really setting
up for a situation like this. If you can, if
you can play well on this four game road trip,
you can come back home hopefully, then you're starting to
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think about a return for Caitlin Clark. The schedule is
deeping up, you're getting more home games. I've made the
comparison before, but I really do think there's a potential
for the Fever to experience something like the Pacers just did,
which is all sorts of injuries in the first half
of the season, the team really never gelled all that well,
and then once things started to click, they really really clicked.
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So I think there's, you know, hopefully an exciting potential
to experience something similar for the Fever here, which is
why I think this road trip is so important. If
you can do well on the road trip, even if
you go two and two, I personally would take that.
If you're a player or a coach, you can't think
that way. But if you can go two and two,
you're three games over, you're in a good spot. You're
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coming back home, the schedules lightening up. I think you've
got a real opportunity for a strong final push of
the season.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
So I do think.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Starting with Dallas here tonight, you're looking at some really
important games on tap.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Buddy Pat Boylan, of course you see him for the
Fever broadcasts. Tonight, you can hear the game right here
on this radio station. Eddie Garrison Won'll have the pre
game as well. Pat appreciate it as always. Enjoy the
take home leftovers from last night.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Likewise, Jay, thank you all right.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Pat Boylan joining us Kevin Bowen joined us now on
the program last night. I thought it was very cool
Kevin in the fact that after the Colts practice you
posted a video recapping it, and I could tell that
you had kind of an appreciation for what you'd just seen.
In the fact that before we get to the football
aspect of it. I just thought it was a cool,
you know, seemingly cool atmosphere, cool environment, and fun for
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fans to be able to go out and enjoy.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
I'll start here going from Bob Cavoyan to Kevin Bowen's
like Peyton Manning to you know, whatever I would look
like at quarterback. I'll try my best to you know,
take that torch.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
But yeah, I thought last night was awesome.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
I thought of you were agran park. I thought you
got a great bang for your buck. I thought it
was one of the more entertaining practices. Frankly, I've ever
seen just a ton of eleven on eleven activity that
threw the ball around the yard and some big plays
and then you had a really fun.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Fireworks show, little light show in the skies of Westfield.
So I thought it was really well executed. And I
know I've probably saw this before, but I think the
Colts just.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Such an out standing job a training camp. Teams just
don't do this anymore in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
And it's a great facility up there, it's.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Easy to get to, there's plenty of parking, it's super affordable.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Teams are don't do that anymore. So yeah, I thought
it was an awesome night.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Up and left field.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay, I'll give you Kevin the pick here pace or
I'm looking at a guy in a pacer shit. Maybe
think Colts currently on the roster or players that people
are gonna want on the Colts roster.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
We're gonna discuss both. Which one do you want to
lead with?
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Let's go the latter.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Okay, players that people would like to see on the roster.
I'll begin with not the one you think I'm gonna
ask about, and that's Michael Parsons, fifty two and a
half sacks, twenty six years old, two time you know,
pro bowler, All Pro Player, defensive Rookie of the Year,
coming out of college. And apparently things are getting icy
in Dallas. Now, something might have happened this afternoon since
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I got on that. I'm unaware and by no means
have I heard any connection to Indianapolis and Michael parson
since at all. But if he is a player that
has suddenly made available, is he one that a the
Colts would take a look at? And b is it
possible that the Colts internally are starting to see glimpses
of the fact that he might not be necessary.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Well, how may I.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Think it's very premature to say the last part just
because Michael Parks.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Is done and on Sundays, you know, for several years now.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Yeah, obviously, play like.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Michael Parkers could do wonders for your football team. But
you know, given how the Colts typically operate, I would venture.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
To guess it would be a no. I don't again
want to act like Putty.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Pay and my House New Law too and J. C.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
Tuli Malau would create a situation where no, you know,
we we feel like that we're good in this situation.
I just you know, when you think about draft that conversation,
you think about how much money would be, you think
about the realistic nature.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
I don't I don't see that.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
I guess s beeing realistic is probably where I would
go more than anything. But yeah, if they can get
one of especially Laws who were paid well, I've had
really good nights last night, particularly a lot too. If
they can get either of them even sniffed, you know,
half of what Michael Parsons has done so far, that'd
be really the best edge erustion season they've had since
Robert Mathis hung it up.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You know, the latter part of a lot too.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I do feel Kevin pretty good about because when I
look at a year ago, and I know that because
of where he was drafted, because of the praise at
which he was drafted, the first defensive player drafted. You know,
people expect to pop out numbers right away. But even
if you look at well, for that matter, both Breenie
and mathis. You know, that's a position that I think
the timing takes a while of just knowing, like you know,
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jumping arounte or learning a move, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I think sometimes it takes a year or so.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Aside from the obvious, which is he was at the quarterback.
What looks different about lat two than say a year
ago in terms of like comfort level or even just
the way in which he's playing.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Yeah, I don't think there was like massive like body
you know, like like a serious focus. You know, hey,
I'm gonna gain x amount of muscle or lose x
amount of what like. I don't think there was either
that from a year one of years too. You know,
I don't know how much you would admit this, but
it felt like he hit a rookie wall last year.
If you look at the last handful of games. It
just wasn't near the same sort of production that he
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could produced in the first ten or twelve. And you know, obviously,
going for a college season which is right at twelve
to the full season which is you know, seventeen, that's
not the most shocking thing in the world. So you know,
is it from whatever conditioning standpoint that maybe he can
get to that mark. I thought what was impressive, you know,
from him last night is him he'd Braden Smith several times.
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And you know at UCLA he showcased the ability to
rush from both sides. That's not you know, a given
When you get a lot of these college rushers, you know,
they might just be, hey, I come up the right
side or I come off the left side, and I
don't really have a whole lot of if you flip
who seems to have a little bit of that ability,
So you know, I think that's got to be a
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active to Luian Arumo. And again I thought he had
a really productive play. It's hard he scrimmages for the
pass rush to really you know, finished plays. But I
would think he had probably three sacks blown dead and
you're talking three sacks and probably I don't know twenty
ish snaps. Maybe a little bit more than that. I mean,
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that's a big, big number when you think about kind of.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
The normal game.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The other player not on the roster whose name is
going to be floated about, Kevin Bow and our guests,
by the way, you hear him every morning from seven
until ten on the Morning Show, along with James Boyd
and jeff Rickord. So Kevin, the other name is obviously
that of your high school. In terms of a product,
Terry McLaurin, who in Washington is in the final year
of a deal that would pay him fifteen point five million. Obviously,
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if because he has requested a trade, maybe that is
simply a contract negotiation move by Terry mclauren. But if
he were to be moved to a French one would
assume that it would be with the understanding that you
also are going to be able to sign him and
get him beyond just a one year rental unless he
is a final piece player for somebody. And I don't
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think the Colts are a player away your assessment of
that conversation and talking point.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Yeah, I think the Colts are very very high in
their wide out group right now. There's certainly been many years.
I'd argue almost all of them in the Christoud era,
where I don't think that statement would have had.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
A whole lot of merit.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
But you know, last night, you know you could probably
see a glimpse of that, you know, arguably one of
the better players in the field last night with Dadi Mitchell.
He's your fourth wide out. So you know, I kind
of look at, you know, Michael Pittman junior in a
pseudo contract year, Alex Peerson then actual contract year. You
know what exactly is that going to look like? And
you know, there's no way, I guess to say this
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without it sounding like a shot of Terry McLaurin, because
he has had a hell of an NFL career so far.
But it's wild to see how that age thirty franti
a white out seems to be such a falling off
a cliff for twenty guys. And so if you're the Colts,
you're gonna sit here and say, well, we love our
whiteout group, but we're gonna give up draft picks and
(28:11):
whatever thirty million to pay a thirty year old plus
white out. When again Pierce is a free agent, you know,
we'll see about Michael Pittman Jr. Obviously Mclaurin's been better
than those two. But I just don't, you know, I
actually don't think the urgency maybe is this you know,
wild as it has been before at receiver. I'm curious
(28:31):
to see how things will play out for Sarry Mclaurin's.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Kind of a white It's a really unique situation. I
don't think you see this too many.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
Times in the month of August, and you know, how
is it going to go over the next month or
so with a team that you know many are probably
thinking can make a run again in the NFC. There, Yeah, shockingly,
I just don't view white your other positions in the
team where maybe you would look at it and say, yeah,
you know, maybe there is a little bit more of
(28:58):
a heightened interest there, But I think internally they still
feel really really good out whether they're at a white out.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
You know, the the white out position.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Alec Pierce obviously the name that comes to mind when
you're talking about contractual things. What do you think things
stand on that, Kevin, do you think that's one of
those that just it's kind of an automatic and he
gets re signed before the end of the year or
do you think Alec Pierce without necessarily saying it, may
be looking at a place where he can get more
quarterback consistency.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Yeah, I think definitely the latter.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
And just in general, what does the NFL market think
to them? You know, I mean, he brings a trait
that is really rare, and that's the ability to just
take the top off defense, to let the NFL in
yards for Cats last year with obviously very mediocre quarterback play.
So I could see him getting a to some maybe
a surprisingly big deal. And you know, I actually posed
(29:54):
this question Rick von Terry earlier in the week when
we had him on of you know again, Michael Pittman Jr.
He will be in the Terry McLaurin age range contract
range next offseason. Now, again he's not the player, but
end of the second contract, you know, signed a three
year deal, the thought is get back to free agency
(30:14):
for a third time and really cash in. And so
you know, I kind of pose the question to Rick, just, hey,
would you rather have Alec? Would rather Michael Pittman Jr.
Two very different players, And you know, I think he
pretty much said he would rather have Alec Pierce, you know,
and he looks at it obviously through a lens of hey,
what strikes fearing me as a defensive coordinator. Well, you know,
(30:35):
I can live with Pittman having you know, seven catches
for seventy two yards in a game, but Pierce pops
off a couple thirty yarders.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Boom, the game's changed.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
So that is one that I think is a great
debate and one you could definitely have.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
And you know, Ady.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Mitchell's arrival emergence everyone to describe it, I think will
certainly factor into things as well. But yeah, Pierce is
going to do a big, big payday, and I can
kind of see probably more from his camp not wanting
to necessarily jump at a contract extension if the Colts
did present him with one. I know, he again has
been a you know, small catch guy in terms of
(31:12):
pure numbers through his first three seasons. But you know,
league wide, if you don't have that elementar your offense,
but you feel like you have a quarterback that can
tap into more of that, that'd probably be pretty attractive
on the open market.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
The eighty Mitchell emergence that we have seen Kevin has
that stayed now as the norm or did he have
kind of a breakout and then go back to being
eighty Mitchell.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
I guess so far in camp I would describe Mitchell
as super inconsistent, borderline bad the first three or four days,
several drops in team sessions, and then I thought this
week he was much better, particularly last night, Like you know,
earlier in the week, I think some of the stuff
he did was a little bit more in kind of
one on one or seven on sevens. But you know,
for those that were there last night, a him down
(32:01):
the field make a couple of big plays. There was
a throw that Daniel Jones had that I thought Jones
was simply throwing it out of bounds and Mitchell was
able to get a toe tap down and boy that
was close, but I'm pretty sure the officials ruled it
as a catch there. So again, in a team setting,
much more from him, which you know that's the issue.
It's like, you know, he gets open, but then you
(32:23):
target him and you might as well flip a coin
and you might have a better success rate than thinking
he's gonna come down with a with a catch. So yeah,
I think now you kind of look forward to, Okay,
what's next week. He's been really bad and really good
what about against an opposing team, you know, joint practice,
preseason game, and then if you want to spend it forward,
if he does start to show more and more promise,
(32:45):
you know, how do you factor him into playing time?
Speaker 6 (32:48):
You know, how much does he cut into.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
Michael Pittman Junior and Alec Pierson a little bit of
Josh downs as well. So obviously be a great problem
to have, but we'll see how the rest of August
plays though.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Tyler Warren last night had the catch of camp true
or false?
Speaker 7 (33:04):
Oh easily? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I'd say one
of the best catches I've seen in training camp period.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
I felt bad for jailing Carli as a linebacker and coverage.
I'm like, dude, you did everything.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
You could have.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
When Joe threw it, I was like, this ball is
going to go over Kyler Warren ted and you overthrow
somebody in the middle of the field and you're probably
getting kicked off like fifty percent of the time. So yeah,
that was I mean for a tight end to have
that type of body control and I mean literally tipped
the ball up with the left it hauled in with
the right wall fall into the ground and getting Carlis
(33:37):
was all over him. Yeah, it's definitely easily the best
catch of Colts Camp this year, and I say one
of the better ones I've.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Seen in a while.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Kevin Bowen our guest.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I am lied by the way, at the American Dairy
Association of Indiana's Dairy Bar Great Indiana State Fair. Today
is the opening day, nine until nine. They're hours for
each day except for Mondays of the fair, where you
can come and get amongst o there's the Key Lime
milkshake or all of their grilled cheese offerings and the
other dairy products. Okay, Kevin, you mentioned right there the
linebacker position. That's one that we haven't talked as much about.
(34:10):
I mean, it's certainly this show we haven't and I
think in general, the coverage of the Colts has been
so hyper focused, understandably so on quarterback and then as well,
you know, just keeping an eye on those receivers, the
corner backs, the defensive backfield will get to that. There's
you know, you got to go now with depth there
and Chris Ballard dipped into his rolodex in that regard.
(34:30):
But let's go to linebackers. You have not talked a
lot about it, your overall assessment of that group so
far through camp well.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
For Radaransom Flee.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
Just because you know, here we are seven days into
it was yet to Seesi or Franklin. I don't know
if the worry meter is super high, but I don't
think it's ideal that the quarterback of your defense is
yet to a practice. He's been out for I guess
about probably three months at this point. I want to
say he had that surgery is kind of early May,
and says I can said that he should be back
(35:00):
this week, So I don't know. It feels like maybe
that could be happening a little bit later this week.
So yeah, that's probably worth pointing out. For last night, Yes,
the offense had plenty of fireworks, but you know, you
could argue they were missing their best defensive linemen and
DeForest Buckner, their best linebacker in Franklin, and then their
best cornerback in Tavarisward. A guy by name of Joe
(35:23):
Bachi has been I think pretty good number forty eight
for those that have been out there.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
He came over from Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (35:31):
Kind of sounds like a World Series of Poker player.
I feel like they're like Tanda like table six, here's
Joe Bachi here and you know he's got the sun.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
To me, that sounds like a closer for the Minnesota Twins.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Sure, I don't know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Yeah, yeah I could. I could definitely hear that.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
So yeah, mostly a special steamer in his career, but
you know he's gotten a little bit of chance here
defensively and has made some place Camber grown the LC products.
He is factored in some things. So again, it's a
group that does not have a lot of resume. The
deeper you get in the depth chart. Even Jalen Carlis,
who's a starter, has not played a whole lot. I mean,
he was a rookie last year and it fits around
(36:11):
pick out of out of Missouri. So that's a position
group that I do think you have some more. I
think a position group the Colts largely don't really care
about though. I think if you were going to rank
the positions position groups on the team, they just don't
view it in the same light as some others, which
I can get. And in today's NFL you probably don't
play as many linebackers as you used to. But yeah,
(36:33):
Franklin Is probably is probably the one. You know, for
the most part, it's been a rather quiet injury camp,
but his lingering status continues, and a guy that really
has not been hurt much at all in his Colt's career.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
You know, when you just mentioned injuries, you know, obviously
at corner you got Jalen Jones at corner that has
the hamstring issue. Juju Brentz also has been dinged up yesterday,
And I know you don't read a lot into this,
but they did go out and kick the tires then
out on a couple of veterans at corner. They looked
in what way would you assess that position? I'll be
(37:05):
it an incomplete last night based on those players.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
Yeah, I mean I actually make a fair take to
read into something. I mean, anytime a team signs they
actually just signed another corner a little bit ago. So
they fined three corners in the last you know whatever
twenty four hours, and I think they maybe cut one.
So yeah, I mean last night they had three three
of their top five out. I'd probably label Travarious Ward
(37:31):
number one, and then you know Jones and Juju Bred's
probably four or five something in that range. So yeah,
I mean, clearly you know, their cornerback depth is going
to be tested a little bit here right now, and
hamstrings can be very naggy, and I think one thing
to kind of nerd out a little bit about corner wise,
they did sign two corners that are under six foot,
and both the corners Hurt and Jones and Brents are
(37:54):
over six foot, so you know, it's one of the
things where Chris Out again was very stringe at times
on that hype requirement at corner, but it seems like
they're a little bit more open minded under lu Ana
Arumo to not be maybe a stringent there. They brought
over a defensive backs coach from the Giants, and Jerome Henderson.
He has history with both of the corners that they
(38:16):
signed yesterday, so you know, obviously familiarity can kind of
lead to some things. But yeah, I mean right now,
I mean a week endo camp and the only real
injuries unless I'm just missing one, obviously, you have franklin
Is to your fourth and fifth corner. Like when you're
talking about the two deep depth chart, I mean, that's
pretty good, especially when you consider some of the teams
(38:37):
around the league. So obviously we'll see how the health
continues to play out, but so far it hasn't been
too alarming.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Don't laugh at this next question, Kevin, You ready?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
I mean I've said some pretty dumb things to you,
mostly mostly on the air for that matter, over the
course of our time in radio together. And I'm gonna
make I'm gonna ask you a question, and I want
you to answer the question by telling me how dumb
a question it is?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
You ready?
Speaker 6 (39:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Is the quarterback barring injury? Is the quarterback competition over?
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Barring injury?
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Is a quarterback competition?
Speaker 7 (39:15):
Over?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Now?
Speaker 7 (39:17):
I will say you and I chatted for about ten
or fifteen minutes pre show. It's one of the few
times I've ever hung up and been like, wow, Jake
didn't say anything dumb to me during during.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
That song conversation there, So yeah, Well, but you did
hear me getting scolded by a cop for going down
the wrong way of a street that I thought I
was supposed to be going the other way?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
So yes, I mean there was there.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
We thought I thought we were back at the combine
When that was happening, I go, oh, no, did he
forget us credential again?
Speaker 6 (39:39):
Is he going to drop? Do you know who I
am I know, no cop at the at the State Fair.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Well, you back me up on this.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I was, I was pulling into the State Fair and
he was like, hey man, you're going in the exit.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
And I said, well, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
If that's the exit, like your cars parked in it,
So I assumed if that's the entry lane, your cars
parked in it the wrong way. So that was the exit.
And and give him credit, Kevin, you heard it. He
actually kind of like he was kind of like, yeah, actually,
you know what, you're not wrong here. Let me let
you through, right. I mean that that basically is how
that went down, right.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Yeah, that is uh, that is what I uh, he
was through the phone.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
There is the starting quarterback competition over barring injury.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
I don't know if I'm there with the sharpie just yet.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
I mean, I don't know. Maybe you start writing reaches
his name in ten a little bit. I didn't change seconds.
More open minded to Daniel Jones than people want to.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Really admit, or.
Speaker 6 (40:34):
I also feel you can't.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
And actually was chatting with a colleague last night on
the sideline too. You know we kind of had this
similar question of like, hey, what are we doing here?
Could we just you know, could they just name a starter?
Speaker 6 (40:46):
I'm like, you can't.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
I mean, if you're going to preach competition for nine months,
are you really going to name a starter before you
even face another team in the free season. It just
kind of seems to go against like the.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
Whole competition, competition, all of that.
Speaker 7 (40:58):
It's like, well, you know, I'd probably like to see
Richardson go against Baltimore and maybe even Green Bay as well,
and of course throw in the preseason game. So yeah,
I do think Richardson has done a nice job here
early on. I don't think Danion Jones has done anything
to be wildly impressive. So I can hear you out,
but I tend to think not yet yet. I mean, you,
(41:20):
you know, whatever you're sending at the mid term, if
you're Richardson, you feel pretty good. But I think you're
still a couple of boxes to the techs.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
But Richardson does at this point, Kevin, he has displayed
the things I think, and you tell me if I'm wrong.
But it seems as though from both an accuracy standpoint
and just overall and approach and demeanor standpoint, it looks
like Anthony Richardson is showing the glimpses of the signs
(41:49):
that we were hoping he would show fair.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
I tried to channel probably you earlier this week and
I tried to make an eye doctor now of you
know they ask you to put the spoon over one eye,
and yeah, and read the.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Chart, which farmhouse is clearer A or B.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
Yes, I swear my hit rate on that's got to
be Anthony Richardson's completion percentage through.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
His first couple of seasons.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
But anyways, if you had him do that in twenty
twenty three, you had him do it in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
And now here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (42:23):
I'd say if you watch film on the first week
of camp each of those three films, you would say
that this year is the Fears. This year you feel
like the vision is is better now by no means
it's as twenty twenty, but it's been clear it's been
a little bit better from an underneath route standpoint, And
the same thing be true for Daniel Jones. I don't
think either of them have had a ball picked off
in the last three practices, and I don't remember too
(42:45):
many like interceptible balls like, hey, you know, dB was
right there.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
And just dropped it.
Speaker 7 (42:49):
So that is definitely not what has happened to three
percent in years past. So again, will it translate when
you know, you know what gets real?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
But now that is a definite difference from the first
two years of him.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
You know. The other thing that is so easy to forget.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
And I know you're talking about the vision of twenty twenty,
but if it's the year twenty twenty, Anthony Richardson was
only eighteen years old, you know, I think we forget
that this is a guy that is still what twenty
three years old, just turned twenty three years old. It
feels like by now he's twenty six or twenty seven.
But this is obviously a guy that that's why he
continues to get the time where people are like, why
(43:29):
are they giving this guy so much time? It's because
time was something certainly that he was afforded. All right, Kevin, lastly,
before we let go, and you guys are gonna be
on the air at seven o'clock on Monday. You are
watching for or looking for what between now and then
over the course of the weekend that will be big
topis a discussion for you on Monday morning.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Yeah, I mean, does this quarterback arrow continue to point
in a better direction? Do we see the fifty fifty
sweet continue? Flit continue, They'll go back to back day
Saturday and Sunday here before heading to Baltimore. And then defensively,
we just talked about it. Franklin's gonna make his camp debut.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
That's probably what I'll be watching for.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
And that's side of the ball, all right, Kevin, appreciate
it as always.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Enjoy the weekend, all right.
Speaker 8 (44:08):
Love me to stay fair. Jealous of you right now.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Love it man.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
It's absolutely the best, no question about it. And it's
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