August 6, 2025 • 23 mins
Today’s Best of Features:
(00:00-23:11) – James Boyd from The Fan Morning Show and The Athletic joins the program to highlight AD Mitchell’s big day in the joint practice against the Baltimore Ravens yesterday, notes Hunter Wohler as a standout in yesterday’s practice because he’s gone under the radar as a good camp performer, doesn’t believe that either quarterback has had a really bad day during camp yet, and reacts to Jake being asked about a storyline that we might be over analyzing right now in camp.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, a couple of things to address here. Number one
deal the odds was the winner there. In race number eight,
number two Derby Up was apparently unaware of the fact
the race had started a bit of a problem for Derby.
Up finished the race to get the nickel, as Rick said,
but way off the pace. And number three Eddie apparently
(00:20):
sent video of me dancing to Shannon.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Now, you kind of did me wrong, Eddie.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I wasn't expecting and I know James about to join us,
and there's people behind me here. But Dion Sanders dance
used to be It's kind of hard to do like impromptu,
but he would do like and then he'ld go to
the other side.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Here's the thing. Then where your currently position. We can
hardly see you on the YouTube gamer, so I can't
really want clip it off to send it to Shannon.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Now, she did say that with the initial rendition of
whatever the hell that was, she said that you should
go professionally.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Of course, I'm a very good dancer. I'm very fleet
of foot. Listen. I went to Missus Kinnear's catillion when
I was a kid. I was a very good dancer.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Do we have James by the way we do, all right,
James Boyd joining us, and I'm sure thrilled to be
doing so. Now he is in Baltimore, Colts owing is
it Owing's corner, Owing's owner? What's the name of the
town that you're technically in, James.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
It was Owings Mills, So I'm actually.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Back in Indy, Owings Mills. There we go. Okay, back
in Indy. Is James Boyd? Of course you hear him
in the Morning show with Kevin Bowen and jeff Rickord
and was yesterday at the practice, the joint practice between
the Colts and the Ravens, and his duties for the athletics.
So James, let's get right to this. I want to
get to the Ady Mitchell thing first, because I think
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there was a lot of question mark and curiosity, understandably so,
about whether or not Aid Mitchell could maintain and sustain
what he has done in the let's say, last two
thirds of the camp before they got to Baltimore, And
by all account yesterday, all signs are good with that, correct, Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Absolutely, I believe the Cold just posted the highlights on
social media and so go watch that after your show,
of course. But yeah, he was cooking I mean, the
guy looked stress out there yesterday. I would argue that
Adi Mitchell was the best offensive player for the Coast
and it wasn't particularly close. And I doesn't mean the
other guys didn't say well, but he looked like a
star yesterday. And I know everyone's gonna tell me is
(02:20):
just appreciated. It's just a joint practice. But I can
only go based off what I see happening in real time.
In real time yesterday, he was the best player.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Out there, Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And the question I would have is this, James, when
when you look at Ad And I asked this sincerely
because we didn't get a whole lot of opportunity to
see this a year ago. Okay, if Ady Mitchell is
able to be the player in this offense envisioned that
they want him to be and he is out there
on the regular I mean, we know that Michael Pittman Jr.
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Is your you know, your dynamic like over the middle,
durable receiver. We know that Josh Downs is You're get
loose in the slot guy. Know that Alec Pierce is
your beat the defense and hit the long ball when
he gets behind the defense guy. And we know that
Tyler Warren is probably you're over the middle and then
yard after catch guys. So what exactly when you look
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at Ady Mitchell, the perfect in vision for him is
what operating area offensively?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Good question. I think that he would play outside. I
think he would be I talked to coach Brigmanchuri about this.
But you will put on you know, opposite of Alan
Pierce possibly and and force their defense at to count
for two guys that can take you deep and the
Curry Hallan Pierce as well, he's shown some of riding
his route tree. So two guys that can kind of
ratch you up, but also you know, have to basically
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force you to play two safeties over the top just
case you get beat. Like for example, myke Cleyman junior,
very good receiver, doesn't have the long speed that eighty
Mitchell has. Eady Mitche around four to three come out
of college and you saw yesterday on the field, So
I think that's where ideally you would want to have
on the outside from pressure on the safety from pressure
over the top, and it's the ability to you know,
get back inside and play on their knees. Because I
(04:02):
think that Bitman could be a pretty solid like possession catcher,
h slide receiver, slash, extra tied ends. Whereas Ady Mitchell
I think, is you know, more built to be a Honestly,
his skill set is talent wise, it gives him ability
to be a true number one receiver. But I'm not
saying he is right now at all. I understanding talent wise,
he has more than in that room than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Okay, there was a fight yesterday, right and this was
how far into practice?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
This was probably I don't know, in our plus it's
a practice. It was one. I believe it was like
a second special teams period and I didn't get a
good look at it because they had two fields. And
long story short for those listening, they are way more
strict there with media than they are here with us
at cold camp are there are persons you couldn't stand
and you couldn't use their prom the shirt and all
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the stuff. Anyway, I couldn't see it that well. But
what I understand when I gathered, uh, Tyler Gutskon got
lit up on a special teams play on a punt
return which is kind of on call for and then
Nate Higgins, the Ravens cornerback came off the sideline and
got to fighting, or it's got that line started punching it.
(05:11):
So it's a bad it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Isn't okay, So Nate Wiggins, by the way, who is
Oh wait a minute, hang on, James, I'll let you
in on this race number nine is about to get
into way here at the Indiana State Fair.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So James will give you the first pick.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Here are the horses that are running in this the
harness horses that are racing in this ninth race. James,
you tell me which name you like best? Bells for
all high speed swan, good luck Mark, Tarzan, won't let
them and on to Norway.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Which one do you like best? James?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Good luck Mark, because that's that's Mark Ductive right now,
trying to find those mindos to Kevin Bowen.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Okay, good yeah, good luck Mark. In general, it's a
mantra for Okay, Eddie, which one are you going with?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
There?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I'm going to go with an underrated Disney film Tarzan?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, okay, Eddie going on with a film being underrated
despite it being like a household name for the last
one hundred years in film and screen. Okay, I'll go
about I'll go on to Norway, On to Norway. Okay,
there we go. We'll see, we'll see who wins in
this one. James Nate Wiggins is a guy that is
a second round pick. He was out of Clemson. He's
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a young guy for Baltimore. And you know you had
mentioned that he came off after the Goodson hit and
things that were getting heated. How much of that was
do you think frustration before that because Wiggins was the target?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Am I correct and saying?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And Ady Mitchell kind of yapp into the media about
the fact that he had been burning Wiggins on the
regular basis correct.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know for sure if that's
the case, but I do know that on Rocking I
was sitting outside here in the I'm gonna scare some
people with that loud nor than his name. Anyways, with
Ay Mitchell, I just think that he was cooking Wiggins
double the fast and it certainly didn't you know, help
we can just taste, and so maybe he was just
upset about that to begin with. But it was a
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wild to see him or here that he ran off
the sideline to fight. Oh my, so he got ejected
and then Tyler Gifson stay in practice that all he
basically did was defend himself. So just a weird incident,
but honestly, or it to be labeled as a fight,
which it was, a couple of bunches drown Jake. It
wasn't like an all out brawl where you know, people
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were questioning what practice were zum. It was kind of
a little scuffle quarterbacks ran over. But I knew it
wasn't that big of a deal because Quentin Nelson never
gotten a mix. You know, among he's chilling, everyone else
is killing too.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, It's like if James Johnson's on the bench for
the Pacers, You're like, yeah, that was nothing right.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It was mine.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Exactly exactly like you if you gets in there, then we.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Got some issues, James.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Between Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones, which one do you
think saw more looks from Baltimore? Which one actually was?
Because that's one of the things I think that we
need to look at is it's not about necessarily what
these players are doing. These quarterbacks are doing statistically speaking
in these you know, scrimmages and or preseason games, but
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more so, what are all things given equal? Are they
going up against the same kinds of looks the same
sorts of stunts. Which of the two of them yesterday
saw a more realistic NFL defense.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I think it was pretty vanilla for both of them, honestly,
and Kim Biden talk about just on the coaches side,
you don't want to show a lot of your stuff.
But I think that Anthony kind of forces the defense
even if you have vanilla, to still be a little
bit different because of the running dynamic. I can't say
Daniel Jones doesn't have that ability to bute. I mean
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Anthony when you tell me, there's a little bit more
dynamic in the run game. So I thought that that
was probably one of the biggest differences, was seeing Hal
the Raven's kind of adjusted, trying to adjust the fact
that you know, hey, if you got a jone read,
which was those for those listening, is basically a two
man run game. The quarterback and the running back, and
he's deciding whether to keep the ball himself and run
or give it to the running back. There are a
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couple of times where you know, the Ravens gets wrong
and it lets you some big, big plays. So I
think that he saw more of like the variety defensions
because he gave him more variety on offense. But I
thought both quarterbacks had a pretty solid day, Jake, And honestly,
I'm kind of waiting for one of them to have
like a bad day clearly, and they ever gonna have
a really good day.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
They kind of help each them so far, James, is
there a disadvantage? James Boyd is our guest who was
at the practice yesterday between the Colts and the Ravens
and his duties for the athletic He also, of course
you hear on the morning show here, the Faded Morning
Show with jeff Rickord and Kevin Bowen. As by the way,
race number nine is getting in away. My mom wants
onto Norway. Also, she's also going with if On to
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Norway wins. I should what do you think, James, if
On to Norway wins? I should take my mom to Norway?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
What do you think? Does that sound fair?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That does sound fair? Sounds amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I could probably take her to like you know, Oslo,
Nebraska and call it even but races underwell, I let
you know who wins here. But getting back to this question,
if you are the Colts and whether it be the
preseason games or these scrimmages, and there's tape on all
of it. I realize, is there a disadvantage for Indianapolis
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or any franchise that is having a quarterback battle in
this fact because you are trying to figure out which
quarterback you want to go with, it forces you offensively
to work on more things and thus open your playbook up.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
A little bit more than you normally would.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And while defenses might be vanilla at this point in
the year, offensively you are forced to show a little
bit more of the side offerings because you're testing both
quarterbacks and want to get them as many looks as possible,
And that actually can be a disadvantage towards forecasting for
teams more so who you're going to be in the
regular season than you would normally do so in a preseason.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Any truth to any.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Of that, I think there is little bit truth to that.
But at the end of the day, if you're good
and teams know what you're gonna do, you can still
be able to put it off.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's just good enough to do it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I mean, people know what the Chiefs like to do it.
Patrick mahonons people know what Lamar Jackson the Ravens like
to do with him and his skillset, and they're still
very effective players. Josh Allender is another one. So I'm
not saying Anthony Richard Den Jones will be either of
those guys. H You know, most likely they will not
be those guys obviously, But if you're able to, you know,
execute well enough, you should be fine by showing a
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little bit more variety, a little bit more wrinkles in
your offense. Your biggest thing is figuring out who do
we want to play come week one on Sundays. And
when we do make that decision, you know, obviously there's
some injuries to deal with. Anthony Richard Jones too as well.
When you make that decision, you want to be confident
in saying this is our guy for the foreseeable future,
and we're all over with him. We believe in him.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
By the way, on the Norway Wins, am I taking
my mom to Norway?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
On the Norway Wins, who did you pick? James? You
went with good Luck Mark? Right, Okay, we got a
straggler here.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
We got a straggler that's coming across let's see, just
now crossing while the rest of the field is done,
and that is good Luck Mark, good luck.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Good luck? Mark Dyton struggled. Yeah, Mark needs more luck.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Hey, James, James Boyd is our guest. Let me ask
you this. Are you familiar, James? Have you ever geographically speaking,
speaking of Norway, have you ever heard of Lake by Call?
B A I K A L. Lake by Call? You
heard that, by chance, James, I have not. Okay, Lake
by Call is in Russia, but it is the deepest
lake in the world. So my question for you is this, James,
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what position for the Colts is their Lake by Call?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Their deepest position is where cool I was.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Gonna take cornerback, but all those guys are hurt right now.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It might.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
If you look yet, Michael Hitman Junior, the proven receiver,
Alec Pierstrouper receiver, Josh daltruper receiver. You have obviously Adie Mitchell,
who they believe has a lot of talent set round
Hickton last year. Aston Doolan can even get in there
and give you some juice every now and then at
a fifty plus yard cutchdown last year. So I like
that wide receiver room, I really do.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Okay, So and when you say that at wide receiver,
because It's one thing to have depth because you don't
have a lot of drop off one through five, But
that doesn't mean much if one through five are all average,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I do think.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This is a room though, that has guys that would
that would all probably start elsewhere within the respective position, right.
I mean, they give give credit to Chris Ballard. It's
a position that we banged on him a lot for
not addressing, and then he finally did and I think
he did hit it right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, they got dudes in that room. And I'm not
saying you have a true number one receiver because I
mean everything Curgin for that, Jamar Chase, you know, Tyreek Hill,
justin Jefferson type. However, I think that, yes, it's very
fair to say Josh Downs, Alex Pears, Michael Pittman junior,
they will all be starting corn. I started quarterback, he
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started wide receivers and other wide receiver rooms. Honestly, for
Alec Pears to say, he's probably thinking, if I have
one more good year, I'm gonna, you know, be able
to back that up that assessment of other teams. Bags
just looking at me as a starter with a very
healthy payday.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
James boyd Our guest Colton Ravens tomorrow night, preseason game
number one. James, let's get to the quarterback situation. I
want to go back to that. Was there anything that
jumped out at you about either one of those guys yesterday?
I know you said it was pretty vanilla, but what
did you see? Was there anything that was a typical
from the rest of camp of what you saw between
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Richardson and Jones.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Just the ability to break the long runs. I felt
like based off of some of his zone read actions,
some of the QB handoff stuff that they were able
to do in minsdirection, things like that, you know, talking
to cam binying them after practice, people saying you kind
of when you face your own team for so long,
you can kind of forget what guy's going to do,
what guys like to do. So I think having the
element of surprise to a certain degree, I'm surprised to
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Ravens because there were several runs yesterday where I thought
Jona Taylor got down the field, you know, On touched
for about seven eight yards before he finally got hit.
And so if you can generate that sort of you know,
running attack in Nephel Brown game in the regular season.
That'll obviously make life a lot easier in your quarterback
when you're in second and three versus second and seventh.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We haven't talked a lot about Hunter Waller, but Hunter Waller,
who was a seventh round pick out of Wisconsin, a
safety and yes, not playing for a starting safety spot,
but when you are a seventh round pick of the
defensive backfield, probably looking for a special teams opportunity that
then can lend itself to being a depth piece. But
it seems as though, correct me if I'm wrong, Hunter
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Waller had.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
A really good day yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Is that, however, typical of what he has shown in camp, James,
or was this a late introduction.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
It's so tribical to what he's sawing in camp. I
thought that he's had a really really solid camp. They
kind of culminated yesterday obviously picking off Lamar Jackson another
interception there to in practice with the second team, and
so he's just continue to make plays. And honestly, me
and Kevin talked about this on the Morning Show probably
about a week ago. He's a lot to make the team.
And I don't know how many times you can say
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about a seven round pick this early in training camp,
but it's probably took about two for all of us
to kind of consistent on the beat that, yeah, when
we do up with the then book the green at
Roster projection, he's going to be on there and we're
all going to be right said, you know, he should
be on there, and if he isn't, it'll be a
very very surprising move because he's looked so steady and
so smooth and with the teams the class.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
By the way, James, upcoming is race number ten here
at the Indiana State Fair. It's the Fox Steak, the
ninety nine year for it. As a matter of fact,
for the Fox Steake. Now there are only four entrants. James,
I'll let you pick first again since you're the guest.
Sogi Swiss Lights talk softly or assistant coach that Sogi
Swiss Lights talk softly and assistant.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Coach I'm gonna go talk softly. Okay, needless to say,
that was not gonna be my pick.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Okay, Eddie, go ahead, Sogi Swiss Lights or assistant coach,
I'll go with. Okay, Well, if I'm taking my mom
to Norway, I might as well swing over to Switzerland
and show where the Christmas lights, So I'll go Swiss
Lights is my pick here for race number ten. I'll
let you guys know what happens with that. James, what's
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the story that no one's talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
If any, I'm not so sure that there is one.
I mean, I thought we cover a lot of this
stuff every day. If I'm pulling out straws, I guess
you know, when you look at we have to do
have a conversation in the media room, we look at
people to criticize. When it comes to the quarterback play.
Recently with his team, I do think that Cam Turner,
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the quarterbacks coach, kind of fight under the radar. But
I'm just generally curious, you know, maybe I should just
meet up with them or talk to say about it.
What is his responsibility because we've criticized, obviously Shane and
Chris Ballard about Ar's development and the profice wasn't too soon.
But you know, you're the quarterback, so just supposed to
be the guy kind of helping him along. So what's
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your truck to look like? I think that he's also
with Kyler Murray, who is in viewed at some like
great quarterback. I mean, the guy didn't have a clause
put the protract to work hard and not play video
games initially. So yeah, can't turn to somebody I'm curious about,
like what is your role?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And how are you actually trying to help that quarterback room,
whether it's a Anthony Richand or damn zone?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Okay, James another, I guess the opposite question of that
would be this for James Boyd, and that is what
is the storyline that we're all focusing on in camp
that actually we're going to look back on and realize
was never really a storyline to begin with.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Man, were in the state? Answer good question, Jake, Honest,
he might be quarterbacks. We might look up and I
don't need to be morbid here, but we might look
up in a month and be like, man, both of
these guys kind of are not good. So we did
all this hoping to puff about who's going to start
who isn't, and they're about the same way.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
He so let me, let me let me jump in there, James,
which do you think is more likely? Okay, when it's
early November and we're getting set for the Drumstick Dash
and the weather's starting to turn a little bit and
high school football state finals are upcoming and we're talking
about the Colts. Is it more likely that we're going
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to be talking about one of the two the starting
quarterback for the Colts, and say man and the thing
that was even a competition? This guy is flat balling
out and is having a hell of a year. Is
it more likely that that is what we're discussing or
that we're saying I can't believe we thought this was
a competition, because this literally is our two guys that
can't play.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I think it's part of the ladder. And again, I'm
not trying to be negative. I understand that you want
to preach optimism and that's what the Colts are doing.
And I do think there's a world where either quarterback
can be successful enough to get him to the playoffs.
But the reality is we haven't seen them play well
as of late. Last Time's anythink Richardson? He was hurt,
he had a back injury, and obviously had a couple
of good games last year, But I would say overall
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last year was a disaster for him, you know, being benched,
being injured, you know, being inaccurate, it was it was
all of the above. And then for Daniel Jones, you
got benched in New York for you know, quarterbacks who
are still not good, and they brought in quarterbacks or
play those guys this year. Russell Wilson is out there
with the Giants now. So it's just in my opinion, it's, uh,
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the last time we saw both, they weren't good and
so until they show us otherwise, that's what I have
to base it off of.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Okay, Now, hold on, you're going with You're going with
talk softly here? Is that right? James?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yep, that's me.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Okay, Eddy, you're going with SOGI is that right? Okay?
And I took Swiss lights.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
There's only four entrants here, so you know that means
assistant coach is gonna win? Right that that kind of
goes without saying, is it not. That's the cand Lloyd Pierce.
I'm putting that in as the assistant coach, okay, or
I guess that could be you know, Jenny Jenny.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Anyhow, we put any number of names there.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Okay, James, give me the schedule here in terms of
for the Colts, and obviously you're back because the Colts
are off today, but then preseason game number one tomorrow
your coverage and then also your duties within the radio
station are what here in the immediate future.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So for the.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Athletic I'll be doing something actually gonna write it up today,
like some players to watch tomorrow's game. Really throughout the preseason,
you want to keep.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
An eye on who's got the most of the game
or lose throughout these three preseason games and obviously the
rest of preseason, and then I'll get ready for practice
again right back on Saturday, because after.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
The game Thursday, it's go back to Friday, and Saturday
we're back out there in Webfield, so I'm back out
there in the sun. And then sure I'll be out
there tomorrow morning for our live show Franklin for the
golf outing, and then I'll probably stick around a little
bit afterwards to mingle with the masks. So if you're
listening in and come on out and you say what's.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Up, and you know, are you a good golfer?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I can't damp at all. I will be going there
to shoot hoops from the basketball hoop. The jamp has
Jerry Riggs or something like that.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, they do have a hoop set up. I do
know that we'll be shooting some hoops. There's going to
be a silent auction as well. All this is to
benefit the Franciscan Foundation from Franciscan Health. And this is
all at the Legends Golf Course down in Franklin, which
is you know, legendary course right with some legends that
were involved in it. I believe Fuzzy Zeller originally was involved.
Bob Knight was involved. So great, great venue, going to
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be a fun event tomorrow. Weather looks like it's going
to be great, So a lot of things to look
forward to tomorrow. James will be there as well, Kevin Bowen, myself, John,
we'll all be out there tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I'm not a great golfer either, So don't feel bad,
James if we got to do one t shot. Don't
feel bad if you know, if you're not the most
confident in the world, because neither am I.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So we'll be finding that regard.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Oh no, I can't swing at all, all right.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Fair enough, Well, you know it takes a little getting
used to, but we'll see after tomorrow. Look forward to it, man,
I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
The time, all right, brother, I have a good one, Hi, James,
Boyd joining us on the program,
Okay, a couple of things to address here. Number one
deal the odds was the winner there. In race number eight,
number two Derby Up was apparently unaware of the fact
the race had started a bit of a problem for Derby.
Up finished the race to get the nickel, as Rick said,
but way off the pace. And number three Eddie apparently
(00:20):
sent video of me dancing to Shannon.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Now, you kind of did me wrong, Eddie.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I wasn't expecting and I know James about to join us,
and there's people behind me here. But Dion Sanders dance
used to be It's kind of hard to do like impromptu,
but he would do like and then he'ld go to
the other side.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Here's the thing. Then where your currently position. We can
hardly see you on the YouTube gamer, so I can't
really want clip it off to send it to Shannon.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Now, she did say that with the initial rendition of
whatever the hell that was, she said that you should
go professionally.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Of course, I'm a very good dancer. I'm very fleet
of foot. Listen. I went to Missus Kinnear's catillion when
I was a kid. I was a very good dancer.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Do we have James by the way we do, all right,
James Boyd joining us, and I'm sure thrilled to be
doing so. Now he is in Baltimore, Colts owing is
it Owing's corner, Owing's owner? What's the name of the
town that you're technically in, James.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
It was Owings Mills, So I'm actually.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Back in Indy, Owings Mills. There we go. Okay, back
in Indy. Is James Boyd? Of course you hear him
in the Morning show with Kevin Bowen and jeff Rickord
and was yesterday at the practice, the joint practice between
the Colts and the Ravens, and his duties for the athletics.
So James, let's get right to this. I want to
get to the Ady Mitchell thing first, because I think
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there was a lot of question mark and curiosity, understandably so,
about whether or not Aid Mitchell could maintain and sustain
what he has done in the let's say, last two
thirds of the camp before they got to Baltimore, And
by all account yesterday, all signs are good with that, correct, Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Absolutely, I believe the Cold just posted the highlights on
social media and so go watch that after your show,
of course. But yeah, he was cooking I mean, the
guy looked stress out there yesterday. I would argue that
Adi Mitchell was the best offensive player for the Coast
and it wasn't particularly close. And I doesn't mean the
other guys didn't say well, but he looked like a
star yesterday. And I know everyone's gonna tell me is
(02:20):
just appreciated. It's just a joint practice. But I can
only go based off what I see happening in real time.
In real time yesterday, he was the best player.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Out there, Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And the question I would have is this, James, when
when you look at Ad And I asked this sincerely
because we didn't get a whole lot of opportunity to
see this a year ago. Okay, if Ady Mitchell is
able to be the player in this offense envisioned that
they want him to be and he is out there
on the regular I mean, we know that Michael Pittman Jr.
(02:51):
Is your you know, your dynamic like over the middle,
durable receiver. We know that Josh Downs is You're get
loose in the slot guy. Know that Alec Pierce is
your beat the defense and hit the long ball when
he gets behind the defense guy. And we know that
Tyler Warren is probably you're over the middle and then
yard after catch guys. So what exactly when you look
(03:13):
at Ady Mitchell, the perfect in vision for him is
what operating area offensively?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Good question. I think that he would play outside. I
think he would be I talked to coach Brigmanchuri about this.
But you will put on you know, opposite of Alan
Pierce possibly and and force their defense at to count
for two guys that can take you deep and the
Curry Hallan Pierce as well, he's shown some of riding
his route tree. So two guys that can kind of
ratch you up, but also you know, have to basically
(03:42):
force you to play two safeties over the top just
case you get beat. Like for example, myke Cleyman junior,
very good receiver, doesn't have the long speed that eighty
Mitchell has. Eady Mitche around four to three come out
of college and you saw yesterday on the field, So
I think that's where ideally you would want to have
on the outside from pressure on the safety from pressure
over the top, and it's the ability to you know,
get back inside and play on their knees. Because I
(04:02):
think that Bitman could be a pretty solid like possession catcher,
h slide receiver, slash, extra tied ends. Whereas Ady Mitchell
I think, is you know, more built to be a Honestly,
his skill set is talent wise, it gives him ability
to be a true number one receiver. But I'm not
saying he is right now at all. I understanding talent wise,
he has more than in that room than anybody else.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Okay, there was a fight yesterday, right and this was
how far into practice?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
This was probably I don't know, in our plus it's
a practice. It was one. I believe it was like
a second special teams period and I didn't get a
good look at it because they had two fields. And
long story short for those listening, they are way more
strict there with media than they are here with us
at cold camp are there are persons you couldn't stand
and you couldn't use their prom the shirt and all
(04:50):
the stuff. Anyway, I couldn't see it that well. But
what I understand when I gathered, uh, Tyler Gutskon got
lit up on a special teams play on a punt
return which is kind of on call for and then
Nate Higgins, the Ravens cornerback came off the sideline and
got to fighting, or it's got that line started punching it.
(05:11):
So it's a bad it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Isn't okay, So Nate Wiggins, by the way, who is
Oh wait a minute, hang on, James, I'll let you
in on this race number nine is about to get
into way here at the Indiana State Fair.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
So James will give you the first pick.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Here are the horses that are running in this the
harness horses that are racing in this ninth race. James,
you tell me which name you like best? Bells for
all high speed swan, good luck Mark, Tarzan, won't let
them and on to Norway.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Which one do you like best? James?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Good luck Mark, because that's that's Mark Ductive right now,
trying to find those mindos to Kevin Bowen.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Okay, good yeah, good luck Mark. In general, it's a
mantra for Okay, Eddie, which one are you going with?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
There?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I'm going to go with an underrated Disney film Tarzan?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, okay, Eddie going on with a film being underrated
despite it being like a household name for the last
one hundred years in film and screen. Okay, I'll go
about I'll go on to Norway, On to Norway. Okay,
there we go. We'll see, we'll see who wins in
this one. James Nate Wiggins is a guy that is
a second round pick. He was out of Clemson. He's
(06:19):
a young guy for Baltimore. And you know you had
mentioned that he came off after the Goodson hit and
things that were getting heated. How much of that was
do you think frustration before that because Wiggins was the target?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Am I correct and saying?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And Ady Mitchell kind of yapp into the media about
the fact that he had been burning Wiggins on the
regular basis correct.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know for sure if that's
the case, but I do know that on Rocking I
was sitting outside here in the I'm gonna scare some
people with that loud nor than his name. Anyways, with
Ay Mitchell, I just think that he was cooking Wiggins
double the fast and it certainly didn't you know, help
we can just taste, and so maybe he was just
upset about that to begin with. But it was a
(07:04):
wild to see him or here that he ran off
the sideline to fight. Oh my, so he got ejected
and then Tyler Gifson stay in practice that all he
basically did was defend himself. So just a weird incident,
but honestly, or it to be labeled as a fight,
which it was, a couple of bunches drown Jake. It
wasn't like an all out brawl where you know, people
(07:25):
were questioning what practice were zum. It was kind of
a little scuffle quarterbacks ran over. But I knew it
wasn't that big of a deal because Quentin Nelson never
gotten a mix. You know, among he's chilling, everyone else
is killing too.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, It's like if James Johnson's on the bench for
the Pacers, You're like, yeah, that was nothing right.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It was mine.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Exactly exactly like you if you gets in there, then we.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Got some issues, James.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Between Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones, which one do you
think saw more looks from Baltimore? Which one actually was?
Because that's one of the things I think that we
need to look at is it's not about necessarily what
these players are doing. These quarterbacks are doing statistically speaking
in these you know, scrimmages and or preseason games, but
(08:08):
more so, what are all things given equal? Are they
going up against the same kinds of looks the same
sorts of stunts. Which of the two of them yesterday
saw a more realistic NFL defense.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I think it was pretty vanilla for both of them, honestly,
and Kim Biden talk about just on the coaches side,
you don't want to show a lot of your stuff.
But I think that Anthony kind of forces the defense
even if you have vanilla, to still be a little
bit different because of the running dynamic. I can't say
Daniel Jones doesn't have that ability to bute. I mean
(08:44):
Anthony when you tell me, there's a little bit more
dynamic in the run game. So I thought that that
was probably one of the biggest differences, was seeing Hal
the Raven's kind of adjusted, trying to adjust the fact
that you know, hey, if you got a jone read,
which was those for those listening, is basically a two
man run game. The quarterback and the running back, and
he's deciding whether to keep the ball himself and run
or give it to the running back. There are a
(09:05):
couple of times where you know, the Ravens gets wrong
and it lets you some big, big plays. So I
think that he saw more of like the variety defensions
because he gave him more variety on offense. But I
thought both quarterbacks had a pretty solid day, Jake, And honestly,
I'm kind of waiting for one of them to have
like a bad day clearly, and they ever gonna have
a really good day.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
They kind of help each them so far, James, is
there a disadvantage? James Boyd is our guest who was
at the practice yesterday between the Colts and the Ravens
and his duties for the athletic He also, of course
you hear on the morning show here, the Faded Morning
Show with jeff Rickord and Kevin Bowen. As by the way,
race number nine is getting in away. My mom wants
onto Norway. Also, she's also going with if On to
(09:46):
Norway wins. I should what do you think, James, if
On to Norway wins? I should take my mom to Norway?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
What do you think? Does that sound fair?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That does sound fair? Sounds amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I could probably take her to like you know, Oslo,
Nebraska and call it even but races underwell, I let
you know who wins here. But getting back to this question,
if you are the Colts and whether it be the
preseason games or these scrimmages, and there's tape on all
of it. I realize, is there a disadvantage for Indianapolis
(10:18):
or any franchise that is having a quarterback battle in
this fact because you are trying to figure out which
quarterback you want to go with, it forces you offensively
to work on more things and thus open your playbook up.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
A little bit more than you normally would.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And while defenses might be vanilla at this point in
the year, offensively you are forced to show a little
bit more of the side offerings because you're testing both
quarterbacks and want to get them as many looks as possible,
And that actually can be a disadvantage towards forecasting for
teams more so who you're going to be in the
regular season than you would normally do so in a preseason.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Any truth to any.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Of that, I think there is little bit truth to that.
But at the end of the day, if you're good
and teams know what you're gonna do, you can still
be able to put it off.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's just good enough to do it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I mean, people know what the Chiefs like to do it.
Patrick mahonons people know what Lamar Jackson the Ravens like
to do with him and his skillset, and they're still
very effective players. Josh Allender is another one. So I'm
not saying Anthony Richard Den Jones will be either of
those guys. H You know, most likely they will not
be those guys obviously, But if you're able to, you know,
execute well enough, you should be fine by showing a
(11:30):
little bit more variety, a little bit more wrinkles in
your offense. Your biggest thing is figuring out who do
we want to play come week one on Sundays. And
when we do make that decision, you know, obviously there's
some injuries to deal with. Anthony Richard Jones too as well.
When you make that decision, you want to be confident
in saying this is our guy for the foreseeable future,
and we're all over with him. We believe in him.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
By the way, on the Norway Wins, am I taking
my mom to Norway?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
On the Norway Wins, who did you pick? James? You
went with good Luck Mark? Right, Okay, we got a
straggler here.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
We got a straggler that's coming across let's see, just
now crossing while the rest of the field is done,
and that is good Luck Mark, good luck.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Good luck? Mark Dyton struggled. Yeah, Mark needs more luck.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Hey, James, James Boyd is our guest. Let me ask
you this. Are you familiar, James? Have you ever geographically speaking,
speaking of Norway, have you ever heard of Lake by Call?
B A I K A L. Lake by Call? You
heard that, by chance, James, I have not. Okay, Lake
by Call is in Russia, but it is the deepest
lake in the world. So my question for you is this, James,
(12:45):
what position for the Colts is their Lake by Call?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Their deepest position is where cool I was.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Gonna take cornerback, but all those guys are hurt right now.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It might.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
If you look yet, Michael Hitman Junior, the proven receiver,
Alec Pierstrouper receiver, Josh daltruper receiver. You have obviously Adie Mitchell,
who they believe has a lot of talent set round
Hickton last year. Aston Doolan can even get in there
and give you some juice every now and then at
a fifty plus yard cutchdown last year. So I like
that wide receiver room, I really do.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Okay, So and when you say that at wide receiver,
because It's one thing to have depth because you don't
have a lot of drop off one through five, But
that doesn't mean much if one through five are all average,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I do think.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
This is a room though, that has guys that would
that would all probably start elsewhere within the respective position, right.
I mean, they give give credit to Chris Ballard. It's
a position that we banged on him a lot for
not addressing, and then he finally did and I think
he did hit it right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, they got dudes in that room. And I'm not
saying you have a true number one receiver because I
mean everything Curgin for that, Jamar Chase, you know, Tyreek Hill,
justin Jefferson type. However, I think that, yes, it's very
fair to say Josh Downs, Alex Pears, Michael Pittman junior,
they will all be starting corn. I started quarterback, he
(14:09):
started wide receivers and other wide receiver rooms. Honestly, for
Alec Pears to say, he's probably thinking, if I have
one more good year, I'm gonna, you know, be able
to back that up that assessment of other teams. Bags
just looking at me as a starter with a very
healthy payday.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
James boyd Our guest Colton Ravens tomorrow night, preseason game
number one. James, let's get to the quarterback situation. I
want to go back to that. Was there anything that
jumped out at you about either one of those guys yesterday?
I know you said it was pretty vanilla, but what
did you see? Was there anything that was a typical
from the rest of camp of what you saw between
(14:45):
Richardson and Jones.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Just the ability to break the long runs. I felt
like based off of some of his zone read actions,
some of the QB handoff stuff that they were able
to do in minsdirection, things like that, you know, talking
to cam binying them after practice, people saying you kind
of when you face your own team for so long,
you can kind of forget what guy's going to do,
what guys like to do. So I think having the
element of surprise to a certain degree, I'm surprised to
(15:08):
Ravens because there were several runs yesterday where I thought
Jona Taylor got down the field, you know, On touched
for about seven eight yards before he finally got hit.
And so if you can generate that sort of you know,
running attack in Nephel Brown game in the regular season.
That'll obviously make life a lot easier in your quarterback
when you're in second and three versus second and seventh.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We haven't talked a lot about Hunter Waller, but Hunter Waller,
who was a seventh round pick out of Wisconsin, a
safety and yes, not playing for a starting safety spot,
but when you are a seventh round pick of the
defensive backfield, probably looking for a special teams opportunity that
then can lend itself to being a depth piece. But
it seems as though, correct me if I'm wrong, Hunter
(15:51):
Waller had.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
A really good day yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Is that, however, typical of what he has shown in camp, James,
or was this a late introduction.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
It's so tribical to what he's sawing in camp. I
thought that he's had a really really solid camp. They
kind of culminated yesterday obviously picking off Lamar Jackson another
interception there to in practice with the second team, and
so he's just continue to make plays. And honestly, me
and Kevin talked about this on the Morning Show probably
about a week ago. He's a lot to make the team.
And I don't know how many times you can say
(16:20):
about a seven round pick this early in training camp,
but it's probably took about two for all of us
to kind of consistent on the beat that, yeah, when
we do up with the then book the green at
Roster projection, he's going to be on there and we're
all going to be right said, you know, he should
be on there, and if he isn't, it'll be a
very very surprising move because he's looked so steady and
so smooth and with the teams the class.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
By the way, James, upcoming is race number ten here
at the Indiana State Fair. It's the Fox Steak, the
ninety nine year for it. As a matter of fact,
for the Fox Steake. Now there are only four entrants. James,
I'll let you pick first again since you're the guest.
Sogi Swiss Lights talk softly or assistant coach that Sogi
Swiss Lights talk softly and assistant.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Coach I'm gonna go talk softly. Okay, needless to say,
that was not gonna be my pick.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Okay, Eddie, go ahead, Sogi Swiss Lights or assistant coach,
I'll go with. Okay, Well, if I'm taking my mom
to Norway, I might as well swing over to Switzerland
and show where the Christmas lights, So I'll go Swiss
Lights is my pick here for race number ten. I'll
let you guys know what happens with that. James, what's
(17:31):
the story that no one's talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
If any, I'm not so sure that there is one.
I mean, I thought we cover a lot of this
stuff every day. If I'm pulling out straws, I guess
you know, when you look at we have to do
have a conversation in the media room, we look at
people to criticize. When it comes to the quarterback play.
Recently with his team, I do think that Cam Turner,
(17:55):
the quarterbacks coach, kind of fight under the radar. But
I'm just generally curious, you know, maybe I should just
meet up with them or talk to say about it.
What is his responsibility because we've criticized, obviously Shane and
Chris Ballard about Ar's development and the profice wasn't too soon.
But you know, you're the quarterback, so just supposed to
be the guy kind of helping him along. So what's
(18:16):
your truck to look like? I think that he's also
with Kyler Murray, who is in viewed at some like
great quarterback. I mean, the guy didn't have a clause
put the protract to work hard and not play video
games initially. So yeah, can't turn to somebody I'm curious about,
like what is your role?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And how are you actually trying to help that quarterback room,
whether it's a Anthony Richand or damn zone?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Okay, James another, I guess the opposite question of that
would be this for James Boyd, and that is what
is the storyline that we're all focusing on in camp
that actually we're going to look back on and realize
was never really a storyline to begin with.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Man, were in the state? Answer good question, Jake, Honest,
he might be quarterbacks. We might look up and I
don't need to be morbid here, but we might look
up in a month and be like, man, both of
these guys kind of are not good. So we did
all this hoping to puff about who's going to start
who isn't, and they're about the same way.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
He so let me, let me let me jump in there, James,
which do you think is more likely? Okay, when it's
early November and we're getting set for the Drumstick Dash
and the weather's starting to turn a little bit and
high school football state finals are upcoming and we're talking
about the Colts. Is it more likely that we're going
(19:32):
to be talking about one of the two the starting
quarterback for the Colts, and say man and the thing
that was even a competition? This guy is flat balling
out and is having a hell of a year. Is
it more likely that that is what we're discussing or
that we're saying I can't believe we thought this was
a competition, because this literally is our two guys that
can't play.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I think it's part of the ladder. And again, I'm
not trying to be negative. I understand that you want
to preach optimism and that's what the Colts are doing.
And I do think there's a world where either quarterback
can be successful enough to get him to the playoffs.
But the reality is we haven't seen them play well
as of late. Last Time's anythink Richardson? He was hurt,
he had a back injury, and obviously had a couple
of good games last year, But I would say overall
(20:12):
last year was a disaster for him, you know, being benched,
being injured, you know, being inaccurate, it was it was
all of the above. And then for Daniel Jones, you
got benched in New York for you know, quarterbacks who
are still not good, and they brought in quarterbacks or
play those guys this year. Russell Wilson is out there
with the Giants now. So it's just in my opinion, it's, uh,
(20:35):
the last time we saw both, they weren't good and
so until they show us otherwise, that's what I have
to base it off of.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Okay, Now, hold on, you're going with You're going with
talk softly here? Is that right? James?
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yep, that's me.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Okay, Eddy, you're going with SOGI is that right? Okay?
And I took Swiss lights.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
There's only four entrants here, so you know that means
assistant coach is gonna win? Right that that kind of
goes without saying, is it not. That's the cand Lloyd Pierce.
I'm putting that in as the assistant coach, okay, or
I guess that could be you know, Jenny Jenny.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Anyhow, we put any number of names there.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Okay, James, give me the schedule here in terms of
for the Colts, and obviously you're back because the Colts
are off today, but then preseason game number one tomorrow
your coverage and then also your duties within the radio
station are what here in the immediate future.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So for the.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Athletic I'll be doing something actually gonna write it up today,
like some players to watch tomorrow's game. Really throughout the preseason,
you want to keep.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
An eye on who's got the most of the game
or lose throughout these three preseason games and obviously the
rest of preseason, and then I'll get ready for practice
again right back on Saturday, because after.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
The game Thursday, it's go back to Friday, and Saturday
we're back out there in Webfield, so I'm back out
there in the sun. And then sure I'll be out
there tomorrow morning for our live show Franklin for the
golf outing, and then I'll probably stick around a little
bit afterwards to mingle with the masks. So if you're
listening in and come on out and you say what's.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Up, and you know, are you a good golfer?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
I can't damp at all. I will be going there
to shoot hoops from the basketball hoop. The jamp has
Jerry Riggs or something like that.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, they do have a hoop set up. I do
know that we'll be shooting some hoops. There's going to
be a silent auction as well. All this is to
benefit the Franciscan Foundation from Franciscan Health. And this is
all at the Legends Golf Course down in Franklin, which
is you know, legendary course right with some legends that
were involved in it. I believe Fuzzy Zeller originally was involved.
Bob Knight was involved. So great, great venue, going to
(22:36):
be a fun event tomorrow. Weather looks like it's going
to be great, So a lot of things to look
forward to tomorrow. James will be there as well, Kevin Bowen, myself, John,
we'll all be out there tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I'm not a great golfer either, So don't feel bad,
James if we got to do one t shot. Don't
feel bad if you know, if you're not the most
confident in the world, because neither am I.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So we'll be finding that regard.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Oh no, I can't swing at all, all right.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Fair enough, Well, you know it takes a little getting
used to, but we'll see after tomorrow. Look forward to it, man,
I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
The time, all right, brother, I have a good one, Hi, James,
Boyd joining us on the program,
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!