Best Of Query & Company - Thursday 10/9/25

Today’s Best of Features:

(00:00-14:55) – Indianapolis Colts linebacker Segun Olubi joins Query & Company ahead of practice to discuss his path to the NFL. He states that he viewed all the different places that he lived growing up as a learning opportunity, says that he still finds it surreal that he has the opportunity to play in the NFL, explains how he got into stock trading, and his relationship with Cam Bynum.

(14:55-31:55) – Darren Urban from AZCardinals.com joins Query & Company and starts his conversation with Jake Query by discussing the health of Kyler Murray. He also explains what the strength of the Cardinals defense is, assesses if the Cardinals use Trey McBride out of necessity or because he is that great of a player, compares Adonai Mitchell and Emari Demercado’s fumbles at the goal line, and educates Jake on scorpions.

(31:55-48:47) – Taylor Tannebaum from the ACC Network joins the program to discuss what in the world is going on with Bill Belichick and the North Carolina Tar Heels. She starts that conversation by discussing how UNC chose him to be their head coach, explains where he is struggling off the field, and doesn’t believe this is a situation where he is tearing the program down to build it up the way he wants things to be ran.

(48:47-1:00:29) – James Boyd from The Athletic and the Fan Morning Show joins Jake Query to provide an injury update on some injured Colts players. James also comments on what type of leader and person that Daniel Jones is in the locker room, believes that the thing that hasn’t been talked about with the fast start is the future of Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen, and touches on the development of Nick Cross this season.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Colts and the Cardinals coming up Thursday edition. By the way,
Quarry Company, thank you for joining us. My name is
Jake Quarry. Eddie Garrison the other voice you hear on
this program. We call it Query and Company. And as
you folks know, we always have those that are listening
in the audience, we assign them a title within the company. Eddie,
I am super excited because you know what we don't have.
We don't have a director of economics. We don't have

(00:22):
a director of stock trading. That's what we need on
this show in this company, right, So what better guy
to do exactly that than one that joins us from
West fifty sixth Street. He is, of course an Indianapolis Colt.
He had a big block punt against the Las Vegas Raiders.
He is also a linebacker for them. Shaghu Alubi joining
us on the Java House Peel and poor guest line Shagu,
how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm good man, that's good and that good to be here.
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Okay, so let's begin with that. Are you cool with
being the director of economics and day trading?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, we can get it done. Then. I'm sure I
used to do a little bit in.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
College, although at this point you're a little bit busy
in your primary day to day job. All right, So
I want to begin with this. You know, your story
to me is fascinating and for those that are unfamiliar,
obviously I think everybody knows by now, but you came
here by way of the San Francisco forty nine ers,
where you were an undrafted free agent, and you have
found your way within this roster of doing every little

(01:15):
thing that needs to be done, no matter what is
called upon you. And I've talked a lot on this
show about Ashton Doolan and how much respect I have
for Ashton Doolan because he just is the guy that,
when it's necessary, does what's needed to be done. Do you,
number one, take that as a compliment? And number two,
what is the mindset of just kind of having to

(01:36):
find your role within a franchise?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean, it's just being here. You have so
many great examples of that, you know what I mean.
It's the culture here, so just being able to follow them. Succeays,
you know, you look at guys like Dueling, you look
at guys like Zee, you look at it like guys
that will come through here it's just every man that
does what they can and to.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Help with your position.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Obviously, you know you are a linebacker by trade, you know,
the will linebacker whichever way we want to use the
terminology there. But we now know that the guy that
you know was just in front of you and Joe
Bachi goes onto ir. They make the trade. Now for
Jermaine Pratt, you're right there as well. Do you anticipate
the reps and your role to be elevated within that position?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know, you always look to help another, but any
way that you can, So you know, Jermaine come in
and he's a great he's a great guy for them,
He's been with them in the past. Provides leadership obviously,
you know what I mean, help with ze, you know,
and it's just looking for opportunities wherever they come up.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
For sure, I want to get back to.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Kind of your story, Schegud because I think it's it's
a fascinating one and quite frankly, and I don't mean
this condescendingly, it's an inspiring one because you know, and
you know this, I mean, there are so many guys
in the NFL that were five stars that we knew
about and we've known about him since they were nineteen
twenty years old. Okay, now I'm going to give for
our listeners, and you stop me if I'm incorrect in

(02:56):
any of the information that I've accumulated from various sources here. Okay,
so you were born in Pennsylvania. As a kid, you
lived in New Jersey, You lived in Minnesota, lived in Arizona,
lived in London in England, came back, lived in Arizona,
lived in California, then went to college in Idaho, went
to college in Arkansas, back to college in California, and

(03:18):
then into the NFL. Now that's a very circuitous route,
and so my first question would be do you believe
had it not been that kind of a path, that
you still would have found your way into the NFL
or did having to kind of go those extra steps
drive you to the player you've become.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, looking back on it, there's opportunities where I think
if I could have got placed as sooner, or could
have did things a little bit differently, But ultimately my
goal was to just taken an idea from every place
that I went along the way and just added to
my game, you know, whether it's learning how to be
a leader, or learning how to watch film from a
guy like Nate Moore, learning how to pull your trigger

(03:59):
from Jacoory Nickel, you know what I mean, learning how
how to be a dog like from Tayok you know
me and over in San Diego State, just every step
along the way of adding something to your game.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
When you walked on at San Diego State, there were
probably people that didn't know your story but you did.
Was that similar to the situation that you found yourself
in the NFL of having to kind of prove yourself?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Definitely there's parallels there.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I'm grateful for the opportunity to have been able to
go on through a situation like that if I got to,
because it just caught me that you put your head
down and things go the way that you want them
to if you work hard.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
So what point, let's get to this. You said in
college you did a little bit of day trading. Now
my understanding is one of the schools you attended, I
think it might have been herding. I'm not sure, but
that you you were looking for like an economics course
that they didn't offer, and so therefore you transferred back
out again. Maybe that's embellished. I don't know, but how
did you get into the trading part of it? And

(04:56):
what about it intrigues you?

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, I'm just it was been the person that love
seeing growth and so being able to start an investment
portfolio with like ten dollars and then it's actually up
to about like twenty one hundred. Now I haven't touched
that initial portfolio. I kind of left it alone and
allowed it to do his thing. Just that, you know,
as like a momento to myself. But yeah, just seeing
like the opportunity for growth is one of those things

(05:19):
that I've always loved.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, So you started with ten bucks and then you
just put it in a rainy day fun and now
it's at twenty one hundred.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, it wasn't really a rainy day fun. It was like,
you know, let's see what we can do with this
ten dollars.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
You know that's pretty cool though, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's been going steadily.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Man.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
I think I'll add it over the course of time.
I'll edit up to three hundred, and then from then
it was just purely growth.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Okay, factor fiction. When you were in college or at
some point along the way, you were working at five Guys. Fact,
So how do you not weigh three hundred? Because I
would I mean, you know what I mean, like i'd
be I would have been eating five Guys every single day.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Was Oh, it was funny if my manager actually he
didn't eat at work, so he used to just put
his meal in for me too, because he knew I
was gonna eat.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
So now, wait a minute, here's my thing. Every time
I go to five Guys, they have the sign that
tells me where the fries are from, and they're always
from Idaho. And you were at collegeized is that Did
you work at the five Guys in Idaho?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
No, that was in Orange County, California.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Okay, I was going to say, because otherwise you just
you could have just gone out back to get the potatoes.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Right, Oh exactly.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Hey, what do you.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Most like about Indianapolis? I mean, you've obviously been kind
of to all parts. What are you most like about.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
India Uh, the family vibe. It's not just in the building,
you know, you get around the people in the community,
like people are accepting and loving out here. I think
people are authentic and real, which is something that can
be hard to find.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
You talked about growth.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Shaegu Alubi is our guests, he's on the Java House
Peel and poor guest line. You talk about growth, you know,
for your money and just your story in general represents
exactly that this particular team and you've been around it.
I mean, this is not your first year in India,
so you've seen kind of this team grow and blossom,
and you guys are obviously off to one of the

(07:11):
best starts in the league. What has been the difference.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Ultimately, I think it's just, you know, sometimes it's Tommy
an opportunity. You know, We've had good players, you know
when I've been here, and we've had you know, a
good coaching, you know, and it's just sometimes things got
to marry up in the right way, and that we're
seeing that happen on Sundays this year.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
The you know, the and I realize the other side
of the football, so different meeting rooms and things like that.
But Daniel Jones has been as you know, Jegu, I mean,
you're aware of this. He has obviously been a major
story in a positive way for the Colts this year.
Quarterbacking sometimes with leadership, I think that we envision that
the quarterbacks the one that everybody gravitates towards and he's

(07:51):
the one that's given the raw row chance and everything else.
What kind of a leader have you been able to
see that Daniel Jones is?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, just consistent execution, right, Like you look at a
guy like Daniel, he's not super big into the ra ra,
but you can look at him and see that that
confidence that's there, and then you can see the consistent
execution that makes guys, you know, believe him. When you
have belief, guy's play hard, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
So Okay, what about on your side of the ball,
you know the guy that well, I'll just say, I'll
ask you this, who is your defensive leader?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
We know Ze to be a vocal leader for us,
but there's multiple players on our defense that are our leaders,
whether it's you know, defo. I mean realistically, like, we
have so much good leadership and sen on defense that
it's not just one guy. And that's kind of one
of the things that we have as an advantage.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, the Forest Buckner is the guy that it seems
and obviously Zira Franklin, right, it goes without saying that
Franklin based on tenure and just the fact that he
is so reliably there, right, But Buckner is also a
guy that, it seems as though from the outside is
the one that's not afraid to speak up, so to speak.
Is that a fair assessment.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, so something needs to be said. Buck isn't afraid
to say it at all, you know, And I think
that's true for a lot of guys on our defense,
which is, like I said, part of what makes us
so good because Cam buying him the same way.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Okay, so cam bying him is a guy that you
have a lot of experience with, right because you go
beyond just the walls of West fifty sixth Street and
your experience with cam bying them.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yes, yeah, me and him went to high school together,
so that's all. That was really awesome to be able
to see him and be teammates again.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Who was the better player in high school?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I say you, he said, He might say me. I
might say him. You know, that's this kind of guys
you are, But you know, I'll probably go with Cam.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Is it surreal.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
To be?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
And I would think this is true for anybody, but
I'll ask it just for you in particular. Is it
still surreal that you're in the National Football League?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Every day. I walk in every day, walk in the
locker room every single day, looking around and see, like
I mean, when I first walk in, usually see tread
you know. And so I see LaQuan Treadwell. And I
remember watching Lawan in college and then watching him in
the league, and like you just see different guys, you know,
and it just reminds you. Look around the building, you
see how people are. It's surrealed every single day, and
I try not to take it for granted.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
And with that the at what point in your career
did you realize that the NFL was a distinct possibility.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I remember it like it was yesterday. It was my
freshman year of high school or college. I was sitting
in my college dorm when I was watching an NFL
game with my roommate, and I just remember sitting there
and I was like, man, I watched some guy and
I think he got completely cooked. And I was just looking.
I was like, you know, I think I could do
at least that, you know what I mean, Like, I
think I could do better than that. And so I

(10:46):
just remember that I changed my Twitter handle to the
league and then kind of just started working on it
from then.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
And once you got into like the situation for example,
where you're you get a key block punt, a special
teams play like that, right. I would think being in
particular in special teams can be a challenge because you
only get so many opportunities out there to make the name,

(11:13):
to make your footprint, to impact the game, and so
you have to make sure that you're not over rushing it,
overthinking it, getting too zealous, and letting the process take
care of itself on a play. Now that's me a
radio host talking. Is that me way overthinking the mindset
of what you have to be in the NFL?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
No, I mean it's pretty simple, like you just line
up and execute your job and then the big plays
happened because you were prepared and you were doing what
you were supposed to do. Like, you can't really go
big play hunting because that's when you get out of position.
I mean, gads are too good, you know, Like you
can't sit there and try to capitalize on something that
isn't there.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
But doesn't that kind of symbolize your entire journey absolutely,
you know what I mean, Like like you just had
to go through the process, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
It's taking advance As with the opportunities when they're there,
but you can't rush the process. And I think that's
true for a lot of guys in this league.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
What's your favorite thing to do when you're not and
during the season. I realize, you know, you're pretty committed
to what you're doing, but when you're away from the facility,
when you're away from practice, when you are just kind
of kicking your feet up, so to speak, chegu Alubi
is doing what to pass the time.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I like to travel, you know. I like to travel
around a bit, and then if I'm not doing that,
I'll probably be doing yoga or boxing like I like
to do active things like that.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
How long do you live in London?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
We were there for a brief stint, probably like a
few months, a couple months, you know what I mean,
just trying to get things situated back here.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Have you been Have you been back there since? I mean,
did it have any sort of an impact on you?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I travel I traveled there pretty as often as I can.
I was just there this last summer, visiting my cousins
and friends and stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Do your cousins have British accents? Yes, of course I
have a wonderful I have Eddie loves this. I have
a wonderful British accent. Now, Saga, can you can you
critique my British accent for me?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
All right, let's give it a go.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I was watching Indianapolis Coach of the Week and and
that had a guy that he brought a punt foot
against the right is and then before I knew, the
Colts just pull away.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I think it sounds like it makes the different reasons,
but you know it's better than some.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, yes, Now here's the thing though, brit would immediately
be able to call me out as a poser.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Wouldn't they different places? For sure?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
It's it's cocked me, that's what That's what I'm going for. Idea.
I have no idea what that means, but I like
saying it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (13:42):
All right, shag Aluli, listen, we wish you the best
of luck against the Arizona Cardinals coming up. If you
guys got a chance really to dive in yet, I
would assume that yesterday was probably when you really started
to look at tape on Arizona.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh yeah, we've been on it. We've been on this
since Monday. Shoot, how do you.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
How do you prepare for it when a Kyler Murray say,
you know, we don't know if he's gonna play. He's
a dynamic playmaker. You got to have an eye on
him at all times. But you don't know if it's
gonna be you know, whether it's gonna be Murray, whether
it's gonna be Jacoby Brissett. How do you, guys, what
is the approach when you don't know the status of
a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I think it just you just add more time, right,
like as much time as you can squeeze. You're gonna
you're gonna focus on on both guys. You know, obviously
the primary guy been You know, you can't discount it
back and we always have a plan in place for
either guy.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Well shakegu We wish you the best of luck.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Man.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
I appreciate the time.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
It's always a pleasure to speak to the guys from
over there, and we certainly wish you the best of luck.
Coming up in uh Lucas Oil Stadium on Sunday against Arizona.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
We look forward to watching it.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Awesome man, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, a good day. Then, see see how I did that?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Eddie uh Shague Alubi joining us on the Java House,
Peel and Poor Guest Line. Eddie, have you been to
the Greater Phoenix area out of curiosity? I have not.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I would love to go out there. I forard great
things about It's fabulous Arizona.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
There's it is. It's awesome. First off, the now they
tell me, you know, in the summertime obviously now it's
a dry heat gets a little toasty. But I'm no bugs.
There's not a single bug in the state of Arizona's
you know that because of the lack of humidity or whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
It is.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
No bugs, no spiders, Well you do get that, and
then there's the occasional scorpion. But in terms of let me,
no airborne bugs, no mosquitos, no nothing, No skeeters, no skeeters,
that's right, no nuisance, no gnats, nothing.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Maybe some of that is. So then how are you
welcome there? We'll find out what's that.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Are you welcome there?

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Then?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Darren Urban joins us now on the Java House, Peel
and Poor Guest Line. He is with Azcardinals dot Com. Darren,
is that true there are no bugs in Arizona?

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Well, again, I know that you just mentioned scorpions, which
to me is a pretty Uh. I sometimes I wish
I might have a mosquito when I've seen the score
on the wall in my house, But generally, no, there's no,
there's no, not a whole lot of flying bugs. There's
definitely not very many mosquitoes. And that has to do

(16:12):
with the fact that it's one hundred and ten every
day in the summertime.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
So yeah, how big are scorpions?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
By the way, Well, that's the interesting part about the scorpion.
The smaller the scorpion, the more dangerous it is. Actually, really, yeah,
the venom tends to be nastier if they're smaller. But
most scorpions or I don't know, maybe maybe a couple
of inches, maybe a little less than that.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Like how often are you seeing them? How Like?

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Is this something that like once in the lifetime of
a house you see a scorpion or is it a
regular thing during the course of say the winter.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
It depends. It depends on where you live in the valley.
The older, the older neighborhoods tend to not have a
whole bunch of them because they've they've been there. But
this this valley has grown so much in the last
twenty thirty years that there's a lot of building out
in where it has been traditionally desert for the longest time.

(17:06):
So that's where they tend to be. So and I
did not expect to have this many scorpion questions today.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
I'll be so that's what we do, all right.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
So now, so we'll get to the football then the
Cardinals and the Colts coming up Sunday Lucas so Oil Stadium.
Let's get to the meat of the matter first, and
that would be Kyler Murray and his availability. What are
we hearing at this point.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
The Cardinals are saying he's day to day. He didn't
practice Wednesday, were before practice today, so don't know if
he's going to be out there, and the coach Gannon
doesn't talk until tomorrow again, and so we won't really
get any kind of other update other than whether he's
out there or not and whatever's on the injury report.

(17:50):
So we'll see if he's out there. I mean, obviously,
if he's a DMP again today, you wouldn't think that
that would be trending in a great way. But I
think it would take the entire week of what's exactly
going to happen, because you know, he's been around this offense.
If he was able to practice some on Friday, maybe

(18:10):
that opens a door for him. So well, we'll see
where it is today and tomorrow. But I mean, obviously
it wouldn't have been brought up, and Gannon, who doesn't
really like to talk a lot about injuries, did bring
it up before practice yesterday. I mean, I think Jacoby
Brissett is absolutely in play for a possibility of playing
this weekend.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Okay, and let's go to that.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Obviously, in Indianapolis, we are familiar with Jacoby Brissette, right,
and I know in Arizona one of the expected big
playmakers has been Marvin Harrison Junior since the time that
he was acquired there, and you know there have been
there's been inconsistency, but I think we know how good
he can be. How does Arizona's offense change in terms

(18:54):
of the playbook essentially or schematically if it's Brisset and
not Tyler Murray.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
That's a good question. I mean, obviously we haven't seen
Jacoby yet in this offense when it matters. I mean,
obviously played a little bit in the preseason. I think
Jacoby is a little bit more of your standard kind
of stand in the pocket quarterback, So in theory, you
could see a possibility of them being able to throw

(19:26):
the ball down the field a little bit more. I
don't think that necessarily is something they've done a lot
of with Kyler for whatever reason, It's not the kind
of can't. But I would just I mean, Kyler's ability
to scramble obviously is not there with necessarily with Jacoby Brissett.
So you could see more Harrison, you could see more
of the receivers, but I'd be fascinated to know. I mean,

(19:47):
this offense, this offense came into the season and the
way they played the last two years, it was based
on a really good running game and it was all
going to be playing off of that, and unfortunately for
the Cardinals, between the injuries running back and not awesome
play on the offensive line and some injuries there, that
running game has not been there. So when you have

(20:09):
an office based on the running game and it's not
as effective as you were hoping, that tends to have
a trickle down effect. And I think that's what's happened
to the Cardinals over the first five games.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
You know, in looking at it, Darren, Trey McBride has
played well for them, for example at tight end right,
And I don't know you would know obviously better than
I whether or not he has been a focal point
for them or is that kind of you know, it
seems like we're seeing a league that is getting more
involved with the receiving tight end. Does Arizona do that

(20:41):
because of what is available there or is it almost
out of necessity because the other areas that the offense
haven't gotten going yet.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
I think Trey McBride gets the targets he gets and
is the impactful player that he is. I would say
eighty percent of that is because he's a great player,
and he's essentially their best He's their best pass catcher.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
He just is.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
So when you have somebody as good as that and
I and I think when the offense is clicking, I
personally believe that Tray McBride is absolutely in the conversation
for best tight end in the league. Now, I know
not everybody's going to see it that way, and part
of that is how the Cardinals are, but I believe that.
So I think most of what McBride gets is because

(21:28):
of how good he is, but there is a necessity,
a necessity part of it. You know, Marvin Harrison is
continuing to try and figure out his spot in this league.
He's played really well the last game and a half
and it seems like he's finally trending in the direction
that they need him to trend in. The rest of
the receivers have not been very impactful, But I don't

(21:50):
know how much of that is really them and how
much of that is how this offense has struggled, and uh,
maybe some issues and pass protection and maybe the idea
of using the running back pass catchers. So but getting
back to your original point, I mean, I don't think
anybody would look at this team and not say that
Trey McBride is the number one pass catching option. And
we'll see where how Marvin continues to develop in that way.

(22:15):
But I mean, if Marvin gets to the level that
they want him to and Trede plays how he's been
playing for two years now, that's a pretty nice one
two punch.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Darren Urban is our guest Azcardinals dot Com, where you
can read his work. We're previewing, of course, coltson Cardinals
coming up Sunday, Lucas Oil Stadium, Darren, there probably have
not been a lot of matchups in the history of
the NFL that feature two teams that have had players
that have dropped the ball just prior to the goal

(22:44):
line on what was expected to be a touchdown. Now
in Indianapolis, that player, Ady Mitchell, then essentially was relegated
to the bench. He did get in at the end
of the game against Las Vegas, but he was disciplined
for it. Arizona handles that situation how.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
I think that's a great question. I mean, part of
the Cardinals situation. I mean, with all due respect to
Ady Mitchell, you've got other receivers that you're using.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
In correct, different position. They're correct.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
And with the Cardinals, they their top two running backs
are James Connor and Trey Benson are both on ir A.
Mar de Mercado, the player that dropped the ball, has
been their main third down back. They can use the
other two Michael Carter, who's been in this league and
Bam Knight, who's a little bit younger, but he's been

(23:32):
around a little bit. You know, could they get more work?
They absolutely could. I don't know if the Cardinals are
in a position where they can just afford to say, Omar,
you're not playing because he also plays a lot of
special teams. But you know, we'll have to see where
it goes. It's it's been it's been such a weird
five games for this team. Every single one of the

(23:55):
Cardinals games has come down to the final and essentially
the final possession of the game. That's part of it.
And they won those first two. These last three they've
literally lost on the final play of the game each time.
There's just a lot floating around and the Amari thing

(24:16):
just to be the cherry on top and the conversations
around it. You can't have that happen, you know, I
know that, you know. Not Surprisingly, the coach coaches for
the Cardinals, which I'm sure was true for all the
other thirty teams around the league, all showed video of

(24:36):
a d Mitchell the previous week last week, So for
that to have happened after all the coaches I'm sure
around the league saying don't let this happen. That's a
tough look. But what that looks like on Sunday, we'll
have to see. Johnathan Gannon said at this point, there
was it was asked if there was going to be
any repercussions for him, Gannon said, no, I don't know

(24:58):
what that exactly looks like, because I think the original
sense of the question was probably more like would you
cut them? But we'll have to see exactly how it
plays out on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
What is Arizona's defensive strength?

Speaker 4 (25:17):
I think right now their defensive strength continues to be
the defensive line. They worked really hard to upgrade that
the front seven overall, actually, and they've played really good defense.
I mean, now, one of the reasons everybody's so frustrated
out here is because defensively they've played well enough to win.
If their offensive just generated any kind of semblance of

(25:41):
regular scoring, this team very easily would be five and
zero right now. Now. We can say that about a
lot of stuff and a lot around the league. So
you know, Bill Parcells, you are what your record says
you are. But defensively they've played well. Unfortunately for them,
the last three weeks, they've had a chance to really

(26:01):
put an exclamation point on that defensive performance in any
of one of those games to potentially stop these game
winning field goal drives, and unfortunately they have not been
able to on those final possessions. But overall, they've played
really well defensively, and I would not doubt that whether
Kyler plays or Jacobe Prisette plays, this game this weekend
is going to be about how much the defense can

(26:22):
hold the Colts in check.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
What is their defensive achilles. What is the area that
Indianapolis can look at offensively and say there's susceptibility here,
let's exploit it.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
That's a good question, I would say. I mean, the
first thing that pops into my mind is if it's
a close game late, you might be able to move
the ball late on them, because that, to me, the
biggest issue that the Cardinals defense has had is that
they haven't gotten those last stops. I mean, I guess overall,
you could probably say they have a younger secondary, but

(26:56):
I think for the most part, the secondary is held
up and they have gotten pressure most of the time
pretty well. Josh Waz got five sacks already. Their defensive
line has played well, even though they've had a couple
of injuries, So I guess I would say the secondary
it's been tough. I know the Seahawks ran on them,
but generally teams have not been able to run on them.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Do you ever hike that Camelback Mountain? By the way,
I have.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Done it twice, I think, oh in my many many years. Yeah,
I've done it a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Like it's kind of a must new but it gets
hot as hell right in that right if you like,
if you don't time.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
It right, well, if you're if you're dumb enough to
go in July, then that's pretty much on you. I
mean I wouldn't be I wouldn't be hiking something if
it's not you know, November to maybe early May. That's
that's when I would be doing that hiking. But then
again that's when everybody's going to be out there.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Maybe if you.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Want to go in July when nobody's out there, that's fine,
but you know, if you end up having a toll
somebody to come rescue you, that's again on you.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
For those that don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
By the way, just outside of Phoenix's came up Back
Mountain and you can, I say, hike it. I mean
you can. It's basically rocks, and then it's not overly arduous,
but it is pretty awesome because you get to the
top you can kind of see I like just saying
the valley. I don't even know if that's in the valley, Aaron. I,
just like we live in Indiana, so everything to me
is in the valley.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Right, Yeah, that's that's in the valley. Cameleback Mountain is
basically right around the Scottsdale Phoenix area. It is. It
is kind of in the center if you get to
the top. I mean, one of the times I climbed
it was actually back in the day, the Cardinals had
a strength coach named John Lott, and when the rookies

(28:40):
first showed up, and it was the summer, it was
real early in the morning. But I accompanied them one
time when he would take the rookies out there and
climb it a couple of times during the off season,
and they go to the top. In fact, John Lott
would run it, actually run it up and then what

(29:00):
that sounds dangerous?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah, that's that's insane. Now, I'm curious before we let
you go. Darren Darren Urban as our guest. He's on
the Java House Peel Andport guest line Azcardinals dot com.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Where you can read his work.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
When the Cardinals to me are an interesting franchise because
it's an interesting area because it has become such a
transient in other words, it's you know, it's obviously a
beautiful and a fabulous area of the country. So therefore,
seemingly a lot of the population of Arizona is from elsewhere,
and perhaps they have their favorite team they grew up watching,

(29:34):
and so oh, let's go to the Cardinals game because
they're playing my Broncos, et cetera. But they've been there
for a while now, since coming from Saint Louis. Is
it now an entrenched and in rooted part of the
Phoenix lifestyle and culture, or is it still a franchise
that is trying to completely be embraced, if you will,
by the market.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Well, I mean, I think I think it's much more
trace than it was. I think you've had a generation
that live here, that grew up and the Cardinals have
been here the whole time, so you do have that help.
I mean, there's still going to be fans from other places,
but I think you find that in a lot of places.

(30:17):
I mean, some of these legacy kind of franchises are
always going to have fans well.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
And I think I say that more about the growth
and the evolution of the city than the franchise itself,
you know what I mean, it's just such a place
where who wouldn't want to live there?

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Well, and again, you're right, there's a lot of people
moving in here all the time, and it just depends.
And there's still lots of people that are fans of
other teams for sure. But I've also run into a
bunch of people that have said, you know, I was
a fan of another team, but I moved here, and
after a couple of years, I'm like, you know what,
if I'm going to live here, I need to be
a fan of the home team. So it's grown like that.

(30:53):
But it's like anything else, like when you're successful, and
this tends to be more as you move west in
this country. It's not just Phoenix. But when you're successful,
the fans are going to be there, and when you
know it's there's something to be said. I get the
fans in Cleveland and Pittsburgh that no matter what happens,

(31:15):
you're going to show up every week. It's there's a
lot to do out here, and there's a lot to
do in California, and there's a lot to do in
Washington State, where it's like when you struggle it's going
to hard. It's harder to keep people's attention.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, I mean, obviously they've been there. You know, it's
essentially the same as the Colts, right, I mean they
what they got during what eighty eight?

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Is that right somewhere in there eighty eight or eighty nine?

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yes, yes, been there longer than they were in Saint
Louis and closing in on as long as they were
in Chicago. Hey, listen, Darren, certainly appreciate it. Travels safely
to Indianapolis and look forward to watching what happens on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Thanks for having me, guys.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Darren Urbanazcardinals dot Com again on the Java House, Peel
and Poor Guest Line. Joining us now on the Java House,
Peel and Poor Guest Line. She of course from WHR
Channel thirteen, where she would be known in Indianapolis, but
also friend of the show and now with the ACC
Network and ESPN. Taylor tannebo I'm joining us. That was
a huge saw you just let out, Tyler Taylor, everything

(32:10):
going okay.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
No, I was laughing. I love the intro and I'm
just happy to be with you guys, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Okay, Well, we're happy to have you I'm going to
begin with this has nothing to do with sports.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I know that's shocking to you. Are you ready?

Speaker 5 (32:22):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Okay, Shawshank Redemption? You have her have not seen it?
I have, Eddie and I are having this discussion. Eddie
Garrison has not seen the movie, so no spoiler alert.
But I'll begin with this. I'm not going to lead
the witness. Okay, yes or no? It is a guy film.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
No, let me ask you it like for like like
for guys like it's just like a like a guy's
kind of film, like Women.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Like Beaches is a chick flick, right? So is Shawshank
a dude film?

Speaker 5 (33:00):
I don't think so. I wouldn't consider that.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
In Taylor Tannembaum's like movie listings, what is your give
me your krem De la Creme movie? The movie that like,
you know what I mean, that's the one that is it.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
You're gonna embarrass me, really, shawsh Ink is one of
my favorite movies. But you're gonna embarrass me on radio
right now, aren't you. I'm not embarrassed to say this.
I'm first of all, not an avid movie watcher. I'm
much more of like a docu series, watch a show
binge it. So it's sort of like a movie. I'm
just like, if you ask me if I've seen a movie,
I probably haven't seen it. My all time favorite movie

(33:36):
is Twister, Like I've seen it four thousand times. If
it's on TV, I'm watching it. If it's on an airplane,
I'm watching it.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
So yeah, we're talking to the original Philip seymour Hoffman version, right, yes,
the og. Now here's the thing. I'm not gonna totally
laugh so long as you agree to this, okay. And
if you don't agree with this, then we're gonna laugh
fit you and mock you.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I don't disagree that it's great, but it's great in
the same form that's Saved by the Bell is great.
And by that I mean it's so cheesy you can't
quit watching, no.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Question, And you know what happens at the end every
single time. But I'm going to watch it every single time.
Like there's cows flying, they drive through a full blown
house from roof to and like come on now, like
the Twisters look like they've been just like drawn in.
It's pretty good though, you know, as long as you
look past all that stuff, it's pretty realistic.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Okay, So here's the thing. It's a perfect segue. And
I actually it's interesting, Taylor, because I texted you and said, hey,
can you come on? And you said sure, And you
didn't even ask for what it was for the reasoning
that I wanted to have you on. Now, if you
had to guess, what is the reason? What is the storyline?
What is the thing that I need you to edge
mucate me? What is it that? What is the story

(34:55):
that I want to talk about?

Speaker 5 (34:57):
That Carolina's a bleep show?

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Bingo?

Speaker 1 (35:00):
So it is twister, right, North Carolina Football. And again
I realized we're in Big ten country. But Bill Belichick,
this is you know, this is the guy that I
don't need to tell people. Here the history of Bill Belichick,
and he goes to North Carolina and it has been
so far an utter disaster. So first off, give me,
you know, the the ninety second summary of just where

(35:23):
we are and how we got here.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
So how we got here? As the end of last year.
Toward the end of last year, Mac Brown was relieved
of his duties after a six and sixth season. This
is a Hall of Fame head coach and Matt Brown,
who before anything else. The players come first, and that's
what he's known for. He's a people person. But they
felt like they wanted to change at the Helm. Understand

(35:49):
respect it. I love Bubba Cunningham, their athletic director. He's
a wonderful mind in terms of Carolina and also college
athletics as a whole. He's been on the board for
the NCAA Basketball selection Committee. YadA YadA. So they decide
they're going to go in a different direction. And you're thinking,
this day and age in college football, you go young,
you go innovative, you go someone I don't know, up

(36:12):
and coming fresh who can relate to the kids. They
go seventy three year old Bill Belichick, now the oldest
coach in all of college football. That's the direction they
decided to go. And from learning and listening and everything
that's been gathered, ah, that wasn't necessarily the direction the
athletic department would have gone. But you know, there's people

(36:33):
with big pockets and big voices in terms of the
board of trustees and other people involved, and they wanted
to bring in someone the name of Bill Belichick, who
has won at the highest level and has won eight
Super Bowl six of the head coach, and they thought
that that would up the recruiting, It would obviously excite
the fan base, and this would be a different approach

(36:54):
in a world that has turned very professional as opposed
to amateur. Wells, that has not been the case. It
has not worked out. The record speaks for itself. They
have two wins this season, none of which are against
FBS opponents. They are pretty much at the bottom of
every single statistical category offensively, defensively when it comes to

(37:15):
not just in the ACC but all of the entire country.
They're in like one thirties and below in all the
major statistical categories. And there seems to be a ton
of turmoil and discord and disconnection within the locker room
and within the building. So the school did put out
a statement and said we are sticking behind our coach,

(37:36):
and then they'll Belichick in that statement said I am
here at Carolina and that's where we stand right now.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
So here's the thing, Taylor, when I guess a two
part conversation on this, when when a coach, a coach
like a Belichick seemingly would have the track record where
if he were to come out and say, look, I've
got a I'm going to put my footprint on this.

(38:03):
We're going to do things my way, and there's going
to be some navigation that needs to go through that
before we you know, we are turning around a program,
we're putting our own stamp on it, and you know
that's going to take some time, right and so therefore
you could go with that, or then the other side
of it is, this guy's completely out of touch. He

(38:23):
has no idea how to talk to college kids. And
Tom Brady won him a bunch of games and we
got fooled into thing and he's a genius. Is the
truth somewhere in the middle there, or you know what
has led for it to go this far down?

Speaker 5 (38:37):
I do think the truth is somewhere in the middle there. Obviously,
the man knows how to win. I don't think there's
a question about that, But there is that asterisk there
that he did most of his winning with a all
time great and Tom Brady at the quarterback position. And
what happened once that marriage was no longer You could
say that was just coincidence and that it was time

(38:58):
for a change for everybody involved. Sure, but maybe you're
seeing more of the other side of that now. But
I do think the other side of the coin is
while he.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Does know how to win.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Yes, college football has gone more pro and farther away
from amateurism than ever before, but it is still different
than the NFL. It still requires different rules, It still
requires eighteen to twenty two, twenty three year old young men.
It still requires you building relationships with not just the
young men, but they're extended families because at the end

(39:30):
of the day, these parents are sending off their kids
to you. They're trusting you with their life essentially, and
I think that's where there's a bit of a disconnect.
I'm not in these living rooms, I'm not in the
locker room, so I can't say for sure, but I
think there is a level to this that hasn't been
matched by this regime, in Bill Belichick's regime, that is

(39:53):
misunderstood because that's the part that's different than the pro
and college level. These are still young men, and they
still do have another job and going to school, and
you know, transparency is really important, and there hasn't been
a ton of transparency with the program. Like Bill Belichick's
not very accessible to local media, the players haven't been

(40:16):
very accessible to local media, and I think that too,
was maybe not the right approach when you're opening up
the doors to try to build something new, Like people
want to learn, people want to know, and when you
shut people out, they tend to ask more questions. And
I think that's what we're getting now, and people are
frustrated and people are upset because there's been a massive investment.

(40:37):
And if you want to say this as a rebuild,
to me, it's not. This wasn't a program like in turmoil.
They've gone to Bowl games in twenty one, twenty two,
twenty three, twenty four. You're watching Drake may do what
he's doing with the Patriots, Like, this isn't a program
that has some deep, rich history of winning championships. But
they were solid and competitive in the Atlantic Conference and

(41:00):
they were playing for an ACC championship in twenty twenty two.
So where they are today is actually a far cry
from where they were three years ago. And this is
with an entire new approach and a new coaching staff,
where you expected it to go the other way.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
You know, it's funny Taylor in any walk of sport
and any level, whether we're talking about the Colts, the Pacers,
Indiana Purdue or North Carolina football and the Patriots. The
separation between eccentric mad scientist and Prickley has been out
of touch. Guys, wins. That's it, right, I mean literally,

(41:35):
that's right. I mean the method to the madness. When
you are getting results is one thing, and then when
you're not, you see, I mean obviously how it ended
in New England and all of it right lastly, and
then I want to talk to you about some stuff locally,
but it would seem from afar, you know. I watched that.

(41:57):
I was curious because of Belichick and listen, you know,
in covering so many Colts Patriots games and going to
Foxborough and for the week leading up and you know,
seeing kind of that glimpse behind the curtain a little bit,
I was curious how it would go in Chapel Hill.
I watched game number one and there's you know, there's
this buzz. It was Deonic Colorado. It was this energy

(42:18):
and this excitement and Jordan's there and Dean and excuse me,
Roy Williams is there, and you know, people are are
super stoked and it's this star studded event. And then
they went out and just absolutely fell flat on their face.
And yeah, and now it seems like they're going to
take the little crumb. And I don't know how little

(42:38):
we're talking about with an NCAA violation that supposedly he's
being investigated for. But from Afar Taylor, what it seems
like is there is now a group of influential people
at Carolina that if they haven't out, they're going to
take it.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Is that fair?

Speaker 5 (42:53):
Yes, you know, they put out these statements to squash
that beast. But from what I've heard, there are where
there's smoke, there's fire, and there are some rumblings in
there that people are looking for a way out, whether
it be one side or the other, whether it's Bill's
camp or whether it's you know, the school's camp. I'm
not entirely clear, but yeah, those rumblings, there's something to it.

(43:17):
But then they put out a statement saying we're committed
to each other. But statements are statements, and I guess
it's just words typed on a sheet of paper. I
don't know how much benefit it would do to do
right now, Like I look at the coaching staff, I'm
being serious, Jake, and I'm like, if Bill Belichick were
no longer the head coach. Who the heck is taking
over this football team?

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Jeff Saturday, Baby, Jeff Saturday. He's used to it.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Man, he's a Carolina guy, right, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
I'm serious, like truthfully, because that's been a big point
of contention with this staff, is like who really has
true NCAA winning experience on this coaching staff. Forget the roster,
which has seventy new players. That's who I feel bad
for is these players. Regardless of what happens at the helm,
it built a check in the school word of mutually
part ways today. Cool whatever, they're hiring a new head coach.

(44:04):
You know who doesn't get this year back? These players,
they don't get this year back. They've played what five games?
I mean, you know it's not like the NCAA is
going to be like, hey, you guys were screened this year.
We're going to give you a year back. That's never
going to happen, first of all. But you know, they
lose that, and I'm disappointed for them. Maybe they can
turn it around, and I want to hope the best

(44:25):
for Carolina because this is a brand that has potential
to be good. But man, right now, it's as bad
as it can possibly be.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
So you're you're traveling, you are currently you said you
have a game this weekend, right, votech and Georgia Tech.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Yes, we are heading to Atlanta to the undefeated Jackets.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Okay, hey listen, they're tough, man, I can tell you
that much. Okay, So when you are traveling and you're
on planes or whatever else, I want to know the
last three shows or docu series that you you binged ooh.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
Well, currently, right now, on my television as I prep,
I'm watching Dateline, Big Dateline Girl. When I'm on a
plane lately, I'm on a Wicked kick Like I've seen
Wicked a ton of times now too, But I inevitably
always fall asleep on a plane. I'm like a baby
in motion. I fall asleep. So Wicked has been one
of them. And then you know, I'm watching sports, you know,

(45:17):
I'm catching up on the day's events. So those are
really my three things. But where there's a dateline, there
is a tailor. I can assure you.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Here's the thing about the date line thing. A lot
of people that are on Dateline are wicked. We know
that much, right, There's a lot of a lot of
that going on there you go. But but when I
watch it, I'm a dateline cheater, so I'll watch startup,
I look it up, I'm like wait, because then I
get fascinated bout it, like wait a minute, like these
are real people, like real stuff.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
You know this? Did you?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
And then and then I begin, this is what and
when I say this, this is going to sound so
incredibly bizarre and whatever, right, right, But when I see
some of these stories on dateline, because they're always about crimes, right,
throw it like some crime of passion or whatever else.
And then and hear me for what I'm going to

(46:06):
say here without it sounding terribly perverse or whatever else.
When it comes to these terrible crimes that take place
in these documentaries and everything that we then get completely
invested in, then I begin to wonder and ask myself
what makes one of them more like intriguing or fascinating
than another, because in reality, especially in twenty twenty five, like,

(46:27):
I mean, this stuff's happening like all the time, right,
you know what I mean? I mean, So how do
they pick which one qualifies for having an entire show
done about it? Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (46:37):
That's a great question. I wouldn't assume that people like
submit their tragedy, but maybe right and maybe they do.
Maybe there's a I don't know, that's a good question.
I actually Dave Clausen, former head coach at wake Forest,
who is now an analyst with me at ACC Network.
His daughter, Courtney works at NBC and she works with

(46:59):
tomm Yamas and I'm going to ask her about this
this whole Datelin thing and how they come about with
the stories. I'm going to get back to you on
this scoop.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
On that, I'll tell you it's not Dateline, but but
I have to admit it's another one that like if
I'm flipping through and it's on, I always stop. Is
when that Chris Hansen's always interviewing the guys that are
that just came for eliminating cookies with a young girl
and to catch a predator. And then he comes out
and he's like, what are we doing here? Here's here's
my correspondent the course, And I always watch those also.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Right cinematic, truly, it's cinematic.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
And poetic more so than Twister. Right, we know that
much more so than Twister. Do you miss once again?

Speaker 1 (47:39):
And Taylor here's the last thing for you. We have
now determined on this program, Eddie and I have kept
a very scientific chart on this We have thirty thirty
female listeners right we are. We are debating whether or
not we can make you listener number thirty one because
you don't actually listen to the program. You don't live here,
but you have to do you hear it when you're

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on with us from time to time? Do we count
you as a female listener?

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah or nay?

Speaker 5 (48:06):
One hundred percent. I'm a dedicated fan of the program,
avid listener as long as I can, as long as
I can hear it, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Sure, kind of like just repeat it all.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
We got cows flying past us, the whole deal, right,
all right, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, this weekend, ACC and
ESPN for Taylor Tannembaum. Taylor appreciate the time. As always,
we look forward to talking to you again. Give our
best to Mitch.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
H Will thank you guys. You're the best, all right,
Uncle Jacob's for sure.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
That's right. Mitch is her dog, Eddie, as you know, right,
I'm aware heard the dog is, don't you worry.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
So the Colts and Cardinals coming up Sunday and let's
find out because there are a lot of question marks
from a health standpoint, not just for Arizona, but Indianapolis
as well. Joining us now on the Java House Peel
and poor guest line, and you hear him in the
mornings with Kevin Bowen and jeff Rickerd. James Boyd joins
us on the show.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
James, how are you doing good?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I want to get right to this point, and that
is I'm just going to simply name the player and
then you tell me the latest on what we're hearing
in terms of availability. Okay, Kenny Moore.

Speaker 6 (49:19):
Doesn't look good. Did not practice for a second straight
day due to the achilles injury that's kept him out
the last two weeks.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Okay, So in that well, we'll get to this in
a minute, I guess. So put this in the back
of your head in terms of what that means of
who would be enter out. You know how they move
things around, even though obviously he has been out, So
we have some idea there.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Alec Pearce will be the next guy.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
He was practicing today, which is a good thing, but
like we saw last week, he has to get through
the final stage of the concussion protocols, the available come Sunday.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Where do things stand in terms of the return of
Jalen Jones.

Speaker 6 (49:59):
It still sounds he's going to be out a while.
It did not sound like he was near returning. According
to Shane Styching. He just said he remains out and
they will not open the practice window for him this week,
So I would not be looking for him to be
out there in the near future when you look.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Okay, So I'm trying to think Grover Stewart's another one
by the way, who is on his way back or
on the men. Where do the things stand with Stuart?

Speaker 6 (50:26):
I believe he's fine, he didn't practice, or he's sorry,
he's practicing full yesterday, did not practice today, although throughout
the season Grover has received at least one rest day
per week more or less, so I wouldn't be too
alarmed that he didn't practice today.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Ty quin Lewis, I think misspracticed due to an illness.
I assume expected to still go though.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Right.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
Yeah, he was back out there today, so it seems
like he was fine.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Anybody I'm missing.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
I think those are the big ones. Oh, Braydon Smith,
he was missed yesterday due to rest back out there today.
No worries there.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
When you look James at you know, just in general,
we'll begin with this the the the attrition, so to speak,
and let's go back to the Kenny Moore as the
example here, what how many guys are having to play
kind of out of position? If that makes sense? In
other words, I'll give Chris Ballard credit. What I'm getting

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at here is in the defensive backfield. It's an area
that he kept saying a year ago, like, look, I
just need to see my guys play. And I know
they went out and they you know, they acquired players
and bind them in ward and tried to solidify it,
but they just haven't been able to get any continuity there.
Is it safe to say that there are guys in
their defensive backfield that are playing opposite areas or different

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ways in which at the beginning of the year we
envision their role to be.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Not really, I.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
Just think that their roles have sort of expanded more
than you would have liked. For example, what Treveria's ward
is still on corner. Nothing's really changed in his world.
But without Jelen Jones out there, Davin Howard retired, you're
looking at certain players to kind of step up in
bigger roles. And for example, a guy like Makai Blackman,
you made that trade for him at the beginning of

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the year. You probably don't want him be as your starter,
but he's become your starter because you know any other
bodies out there, So that's something to keep in mind.
And then looking at this week in particular, with Mike
Hilton going on injury reserve due to the shoulder injury,
Cannymore look like he won't play, they probably rely on
Chris Lamon's the veteran defensive back. He's going with the

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team for a couple of years now to step in
at that slot cornerback.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
You know, Nick Cross is a guy that I was
thinking about this on Sunday, James, and I wanted you
to expand on this thought. Oftentimes you see players that
get drafted and they say, you know, hey may not
have football instinct of yet, may not be a pure
quote unquote football player, but as such a dynamic athlete

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that can grow into the role. And I think there
was a lot of that of the thought of that
when Nick Cross came out of Maryland, and then I
was watching on Sunday, and I thought to myself, he
has done exactly that. Like, kudos to him, because it
seems like now he is a more instinctive player, and
that instinct is now matching with the athleticism to be
a pretty darn good safety. Your thoughts on that are

(53:23):
am I selling short what he had when he came
out of college?

Speaker 6 (53:28):
No, I think you're spot on there. I mean it's
to gamble on him. They traded up to draft him,
I believe, in the third round, and at the time,
the way that Chris Valor kind of described it was
that they felt that they were getting a first round
talent a year early. Like had he gone back to
school at Maryland, he probably would have been a first
round pick the next year. So they drafted him, knew
they had to develop him, and he did get off

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to kind of a rocky start.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Started the first.

Speaker 6 (53:50):
Couple of games of his career, they got benched, didn't
really play that much, but I think the position changed
from free safety to strong safety as helt him a
ton jake and this year seeing him, you know, play,
like you said, more instinctule, closer to the line of scrimmage,
close to the box, close to the accident and they
having camp Bina on the back side. This helps you
out of time because you get to play a little
more free, I think, because you know you have an

(54:12):
elite you know, playmaker on your back side to help
you out just in case you get the buying James.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Daniel Jones has played so well and that has been
the dominant storyline through five games that that's been. You know,
it's exceeded all expectation. I think maybe even the Colts
would tell you it exceeded their expectation and they've taken
care of the football and they're playing at a high level.
But Daniel jones play to this point has allowed us

(54:44):
to or or has caused us to overlook perhaps the
slow start of who is there anybody that jumps out
of you, either player or unit that you say, yeah,
that person owes Daniel Jones a Christmas card.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
That's a great question. Honestly, you probably want to look
at the regime more than the team. I mean, does
the play of Daniel Jones, if he keeps this up,
does that mean you have earned another year? If you're
Chris Ballard, if you're a Saint Spiken, if you're you know,
part of that front office as group, do you feel like, Okay,
if we get into the playoffs with Daniel Jones playing

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at such a high level, we have shown the new
ownership carl Ers Gordon in company. Hey you know what, Yeah,
we might have messed up with Anthony Richardson, but look
what I got you in return. Here's what I did
as plan B. So that to me is probably the
bigger conversation around Daniel Jones, because everyone else on offense
I feel like you can't really complain. I mean, Josh
Downs perhaps, but even last week we saw he got

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more involved, and so with him playing at this level,
it feels like any given Sunday you could have any
different receiver sort of step up. I mean, if there's
one blemish on the offense, I guess looking at Ady
Mitchell saying why is everyone else thriving with Daniel Jones
and you're the one guy who obviously has been in
the doghouse.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Lest if you put truth seram and Chris Ballard, do
you think he would say, look, I signed Daniel Jones
because I saw something in Daniel Jones and thought this
was possible. Or do you think he would say I
signed Daniel Jones because I wasn't sold on Anthony Richardson
and knew that we might have needed somebody just to
hold the wheel for the rest of the season.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Oh that's a great question.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
I'm probably gonna go with the ladder just because Daniel
Jones and what he had done in New York. You know,
he hadn't played good football, he hadn't played winning football.
Now we're seeing, especially at this moment in time, that
it certainly wasn't all his fault. The failures that have
gone on in New York. They all have already moved
on from Russell Wilson to Jackson Darts, so they're going

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through their quarterback change. But I think anybody who tells
you I saw something in Daniel Jones will probably be like, Okay,
I can see that. But anybody telling you they saw
this level of Daniel Jones, an MVP caliber player, I
think that they probably be lying. I mean, he's playing
exceptional football. Outside of the Rams game has been nearly flawless,

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and the idea going into at least in my mind
and perhaps you know, for the Cold Front Austins, was
that if he could just be steady and safe, we'll
be fine. But the difference between what he's doing here
with the Colts versus what he's doing with the Giants
and they made the playoffs in twenty twenty two is
that he's really been a great passer, you know, aggressive
throwing the ball down the field, not running a whole lot.

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So he feels that a new and improved player.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
James Boyd is our guest. He's on the Java House
feeling poor guest line. Of course, you hear him in
the mornings on the morning show here on the fan,
we're talking about the Colts and Cardinals, you know, the
James in talking about Jones and I was talking about
this earlier. Clearly, this guy's becoming a fan favorite, as
he should be. Clearly, I think now unless the wheels
come off, the seed is planted to the fact that

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he might be the long term quarterback here and he
may get an extension, and this year a lot of
football yet to be played. I realize I don't know
that fans know who he is as a dude, as
a guy. I don't know that we ever know that
per se. But you're in the locker room and you
get to see like his weekly avails, and you know
his interviews and et cetera. What does he come how

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does he come off? Quiet guy, quiet leader, quietly confident,
shy guy one rather than his boisterous around his teammates
and they love him.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
I mean, what kind of dude is Daniel Jones?

Speaker 6 (58:30):
That is the money question and the question I've been
trying to glean and get answers for, because he's such
a reserved personality, especially in media settings. But from what
I've been able to gather from his teammates and just
from watching him a little bit, he seems like he's
very down to earth, you know, one of the guys.
But that switch gets slipped as soon as they get

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into the more serious side of football. And so if
you ask any of the linemen, the wide receivers, the
tight ends, they're all like, yeah, he is is easy
going as they come. But when it comes to the game,
he can be not annoying, but he can be very
persistent and meticulous. You know, you got Dona Taylor telling us, Look, man,
I can be walking in, you know, to the facility
about the grab breakfast and he's telling me, hey, did

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you see that messages us hit you about this check
on this play or this block I want you to
make on this play, And you got Michael Pittman Junior saying, Hey,
the guy always late to our Thursday dinners, which is
tonight because he's watching the film. And I did get
a chance to ask Daniel Jones about that this week,
and I got a real smile out of him, I
believe because he kind of laughed at off. It was like, look, man,
I think these guys woul much rather me know what

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I'm looking at on Sundays versus being on time for
dinner on Thursdays. So the guys really appreciate him, they
love him, But it sounds like that competitive nature comes
out and how detailed he is. Not a big screamer
raw ra guy, but she'll know how much he cares
because he's on you all the time about the little
minute details that often decide when he and losing in

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the NFL.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
James, I haven't pinpointed which one it is yet, but
to me, Daniel Zones looks like some sort of a
cross between the anime character from We or the little
guy in the Kroger commercials. I can't figure out which
one it is yet, striving me crazy. When you figure
it out, you let me know, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
I will, I will. He's certainly somebody who around here,
you know, he's coming, a fan favorite, so it might
need a couple of fatheads or something.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
That's right around the city. That's right, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
James will be listening tomorrow, seven o'clock in the morning.
Appreciate the time. All right, you have a good one, right,
James Boyd joining us on the Java House, Peel and
Port guest line.