December 8, 2025 • 43 mins
Today’s Best of Features:
(00:00-16:38) – The voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, Don Fischer, makes his weekly appearance on Query & Company to discuss IU defeating Ohio State on Saturday night in the Big Ten Championship game. Don comments on the endless time that Curt Cignetti spends on preparing his team, compares Curt Cignetti to Bob Knight, and summarizes what it was like inside Lucas Oil Stadium two nights ago.
(16:38-43:41) – The Dean, Mike Chappell, from CBS4 and FOX59 joins Jake Query to share what he knows right now about the significance of Daniel Jones’ achilles injury. Mike weighs in on where the Colts go from here, believes that the Colts won’t roll into next season just handing Anthony Richardson the QB1 spot, assesses how the team should operate underneath Riley Leonard, and if Carlie Irsay-Gordon will be the sole person making the call on the future of Shane Steichen and Chris Ballard.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Indiana Hoosiers are the undisputed, unblemished Big Ten Football
champions and the number one team in the land. And
the guy that has been there for every step of
the way throughout this journey from the depths as I
talked about with the Tale of Two Cities, right the
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depths of darkness to the Season of light. Don Fisher,
the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, joining us now on
the Java House Peel and poor guest line and Don,
I'm going to begin with this, I know, and I'll
give you all the credit in the world because you
are the one guy from the get go when it
comes to Kurt Signetti, there was never really a doubt
in your mind as to what the ceiling was going
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to be for this team and how impressed you were.
But if you could for me, Don just summarize I
guess the emotion or not just for you, but just
for that building and for that fan base of seeing
it all collectively come together on what was literally an
unbelievably special night at Lucas Oil Stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, the culmination, of course, was the third down pass
that Fernando Mendoza through to Charlie Becker, who made a
terrific catch and the throw was perfect. At that point,
you knew this game was going to belong to Indiana.
And I have my twin brother in Salt Lake City
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calls me up the next day and says, you guys
are a little bit too giddy there the last minute
and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Something could have happened.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I said, no, it can't, because Signetti is our coach,
and at any rate, I can just tell you from
my perspective, of course, hugely emotional ballgame, great win for
Indiana Athletics, but more importantly, a tremendous win for the
Hoosier Nation.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
A group of people, and.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I'm not talking about everybody that's jumped on board here
in the last you know, a couple of years now.
I'm talking about the people who bought season tickets for
year after year after year back in the sixties and
the seventies and the eighties and nineties, the two thousands
people who have been coming to Indiana football games forever,
and for me, those are the people that and I'm
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not saying that the people who have jumped on board
shouldn't be there. They should be there, But my point
is the people that have gone through this for all
these years and the struggles that Indiana football has had.
That to me is the most important faction of folks
that I want to think and stay of hanging in
there and staying with us and going through all of
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what we've gone through and still continue to buy tickets
and spend the money that it took to watch football
at Indiana and to support football at Indiana. And those
are the people that I feel the best for.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Don you know, Bill Binner is going to join me
coming up in about an hour. I mean, he's a
guy that sat through countless numbers of sleet storms watching
Lorenzo White run for two hundred and sixty yards, and
you know, I mean on and on right, I mean,
and it's those folks, right, And I think also about
and I'd mentioned this on Friday, and you and I've
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talked about this. You know, Terry Hepner was a guy
that took that Indiana job and had this belief of
kind of what Kurt Signetti has delivered. And I don't
mean that to say one is that, you know, I mean,
they're two separate men. I understand that. But Hepner had
this belief of, like, no, this is where this program
could go, and I think most of us probably thought
he was a little bit crazy back then, and then
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unfortunately he got sick and he never got a chance
to see it to fruition and I'm watching that on
Saturday night, And that's what made me so happy for
Kurt Signetti was the fact that here's a guy that
came in with his own also his own vision and
his delivery of his own vision. But it was parallel
with that vision and belief that we had seen preview
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of before and I never thought I'd see it, Don,
But that, to me is what made it so special
was the number of people there, and there were those
people that believed that was possible. And even still, I'm
not gonna lie to you, Don, when you said unbelievable,
I thought to myself, no, I still don't believe it, right,
I mean, it was that incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It was there's no question about it.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And look all I can tell you, and you're right
about Terry Heppner. He knew he could get this program
turned around, and he never got that opportunity because of
the glioblostoma cancer that he suffered brain tumor and died
in June after his second season and to me, that's
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heartbreaking because and I know his son Drew was at
the ballgame on Saturday, and my wife told me about
it yesterday and I started blubbering because I when I
think of Terry Hepner, all I can do is get emotional.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, I know what he meant to you, don I
mean I don't. I wasn't there firsthand, but you hear it.
And I think that for those that don't know, anybody
that was around him would understand why you feel that way, right?
And I feel like yeah, And it's like Kurt Signetti
walks and exudes the energy and the confidence that Terry
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Hepner tried to introduce to people.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That's the best way I can say it. If that
makes sense, No, it makes sense. It makes perfect sense.
And that's the way to put it because hep was
a guy that believed in Indiana football and I know
he knows he could have turned it around, and he
would have done it had he lived, but he did not.
And Kurt Signetti has followed whatever his vision was, whatever
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vision that Terry had, he spottled that up and you
put it perfectly. That's exactly the way I feel about it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Don when you look at you know, I thought it
was interesting after the game, Don Fisher, the voice of
the Hoosiers is our guest Joba House peeling, poor guest
line when when Kurt Signetti said, and he kind of
flippantly said it, which I enjoyed, but he said, you know,
now I got two weeks to get these guys to
turn around and refocus. And yeah, I had to laugh
because I thought to myself, I don't know that I
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have seen a football team that has more in step
bought into everything his coach said to the point where, yeah,
I mean, are they going to go in and win
the Rose Bull? I don't know that. But what I
do know is this, I don't think they're going to
go in and shoot themselves in the foot and not
show up, because that's just been I mean, you'd be
an idiot at this point to think anything other than
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Indiana is going to go put their best foot forward, right,
And you know, were you able to see anything after
the game and the celebration, et cetera that was any
different in terms of their standard operating procedure from the
way he's always done things.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
No, I mean, here's the thing he did allow his
team to stay out there in the field and celebrate it,
which you would expect that any coach would do that.
And so everything that I saw from Kurt Signetti post game,
he had all kinds of responsibilities with the me The
Fox interviewed him, of course, and of course the Big
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ten network interviewed him, and he had to do all
these other things involved in that. But the other thing
about that is he took time at the very I mean,
we were on the air for about forty five minutes
after the game. We're usually about twenty minutes after a
ballgame in normal circumstances. It was at least forty five,
maybe fifty minutes that we were still on the air
after the ballgame was over with. And he finally got
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to us, and I knew he would if he had
the time, if he had the opportunity, And he finally
got to us and got to talk to our people
on the air, and who's your nation, so to speak,
that listens on the radio. So I just think the
guy is first class in every way. He's the greatest
coach I've ever been around in a sense of what
he's accomplished. And without doubt, I think this is a
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phenomenal run for Indiana football that we've never seen before.
It's historic in every way, and it's a renaissance for
the program. And without question, I can't wait for the
rest of this season to fill itself out because I
think I think fans are going to be just as
excited about what we're about to see in the college
football playoff as they were through this twelve win season.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know, it's funny, Don, when people say, you know,
is so and so the best player of the century,
and you think, oh, gosh, I forget, We're only a
quarter the way through this century, right. I mean when
I think century, I still think the nineteen hundreds, right.
What he's done is I don't care whether you're talking
nineteen hundreds or two thousands. It's the greatest college football
coaching job I've ever that. I think anybody walking the
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planet right now has ever seen. We've never seen anything
like this. Now, having said all of that, do you
feel Don that there is still that there are still
wrinkles to this football team that can be presented or
new looks that they can come up with for the playoffs?
Or are they at the point now of this is
who we are? This is what we do, and we're
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confident in the way we do it, and we don't
need to readjust game plans.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well, every game plan needs to be adjusted, there no
doubt about that because of who you're playing, so that
factors into it. But here's the thing. It's not going
to change philosophically and it's not going to change process
wise for this Indiana football team.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
That's just a fact. He's been like this since he's.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Gotten here, and I trust everything that he does in
that sense. His game plans are ridiculously good. And I
say that because I'll tell you who I thought was
the best offensive coordinator Indiana's ever had, and that was
Kaylen de Boer. Now how long ago was that? Not
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that long ago? Right, But here's the thing about Kaylen
de Boor. He did a tremendous job here at Indiana
in one season, the COVID season with Michael Pennix, and
what he produced in that year was astonishing to me
because I thought, this guy really knows what he's doing.
And I still think that Kayln de Boor is a
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great football coach. And he's getting all kinds of up
at Alabama from the fan base because they've lost three times.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
That kind of.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Thing, and the fact that they made the college football
Playoff is in a lot of people's minds is very
very I don't know what the right word would be,
but a lot of people would say they don't deserve
to be there. I don't know if they should or not,
but I will say this that Indiana is capable of
beating anybody they play in this college football playoff because
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Kurt Signetti's that good.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And if we played Kylen.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
De boor or if we play Kirby Smart or whoever
the coach is, I will not take anything away from
Kurt Signetti's ability to dominate that football game with his
thinking process and how he goes about things. The only
way Indiana is going to get beat in this college
football playoff, in my mind, is because the other team
has more talent, because Indiana's talent is not what it
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is to some of these programs, but the coaching is
beyond it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Don I got a kick out of it. Got a
good buddy of mine went to James Madison, and you know,
James Madison obviously got into the college football Payoff as well,
and he sent me a text that said, it's great
to be a JAMU fan because we have two teams
in the Big in the college football playoff, you know,
after the Big Ten title game, because you know, obviously
some of the great players that say and that's to me,
that's such a tribute to Kurt Signetty because when you
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look at players that started at James Madison and now
they're beating all you know, their key players in beating
Ohio State for crying out loud in the Big Ten
title game, and so much of that just comes down
to coaching belief, all the things we've talked about. I
wanted to ask you this. You had the ability and
you did both games, which was I mean, you are
the You're the lou garig right, You're the iron horse
of broadcasting. Because you did both games on Saturday, you
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you should probably have some sort of a throat laws
and endorsement. But but I will for those that don't know,
Don and I got to give you that the ultimate
tip of the cap because people will say, well did
his voice hold out? That is mentally exhausting. I mean,
honestly doing broadcasting for that long and having to move
that quickly for those for games back to back is unbelievable.
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Having said that, in doing basketball and football, you have
seen two legendary coaches India a lot of coaches, but
two legendary ones, and Bob Knight and kurtz Signetti. The
reason I bring it up, Bob Knight was a coach
that when you went into a game, you thought to yourself,
the other team might have players, but they're not going
to be more prepared than Indiana. From an x's and
o's standpoint, the personalities aside, do you ever see or
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feel similarity in terms of listening to the coaches in
terms of their preparation talk between those two guys that
you've had to do so many pregame shows.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
With, Well, no, I don't see a difference.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Coach Knight was demanding on players of basically anybody in
his program. Wasn't amending on those people to be what
they should be and what they can be. That kind
of thing you get the same thing from Kurt Signetti.
He hires the right people, number one, because he vets
them all. He knows who they are before they get there,
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and he knows what he's going to get from those people,
and they produce for him. And that's the trust he
has and the people that he gets because he, like
I said, he vets everybody that's in the program. So
and Bob Knight did exactly the same thing. He wanted
guys that were going to buy into his philosophy, his thoughts,
how to play the game, those kinds of things. He
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did it with players, he did it with coaches, He
did it with the people that he surrounded himself with. So, yeah,
they're so much alike in that vein. They are totally
different personalities. And I say totally different only from the
standpoint that Coach Knight, as everybody knows, was so controversial
and so many different ways, and Churtz Signetty, I don't
think is in that context. His personality is different in
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that way. And then how he handles players is different
than what Bob did. That's not a negative on either guy.
It's just the way it was at the time that
they were coaching and has been. So those kinds of
things change over the years, too, but they never I
don't think they ever changed with coach Knight and with
coach Signetti after his twenty six I think it was
twenty six years he was an assistant and learned a
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lot of things from a lot of different coaches, and
then got his own programs at Indiana, vergs to Pennsylvania
and then Elon and not of course James Madison and
now Indiana. He doesn't vary from it, and in his
philosophy and his thinking process and how he goes about
running the program is as good as I've ever seen.
And it's simply so, very again, very simply like a
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lot of what Bob Knight did because he were in
the program the way he thought it should be run
and it was hugely successful.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And vice versa with Kurt Signetti.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Okay, lastly, Don, I wanted to ask you this. There
were a lot of people, understandably and rightly so, per
Signetti being one of them, it talked about how happy
they were for Don Fisher to see that moment on
Saturday Night. So I'd like Don Fisher to say, what
individual or individual? I realized the fan base in general
is all encompassing, but was there anybody specifically that you
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thought of as that game was ending that you thought
to yourself, that's who I'm happy for.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Well again, and there's no individual that I thought about
that for I thought about that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
For the who's Your Nation. I really did.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I wanted this program to take off at some point
football wise, and even when it got started early and
looked like it might change, it has not. In all
those years, and that there have been a humongous number
of people coaches that I've enjoyed immensely at Indiana, Guys
that I had the greatest amount of respect for, Obviously
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Bill Mallory and Bill Lynch and Terry Hepner and those
type of people. I loved all those people. They were
just great folks and they were really good coaches. They
just didn't hit it at the right time, and unfortunately
for all of us, Who's your Nation suffered because of that,
And now it's changed completely. And that's why I'm really
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happy for the entire Hoosier Nation, because these people have
gone through a lot over the years.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, don for the Hoo's your Nation. You've been the
town crier for many years and that was more crying
probably than actual town bugle blowing. But so the time
is now and celebrate it and enjoy it. And January first,
at four o'clock, you will be calling a college football
playoff game in the Rose Bowl for the Indiana Hoosiers
and We certainly look forward to it. Always appreciate the time, Don,
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and I certainly hope you were able to continue to
enjoy what took place on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Absolutely appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Thanks Ja, Don Fisher joining us the voice of the Hoosiers.
It is true that everything is still before them, but
for the Colts, do not look in the rear view mirror,
because now have dropped three in a row, four of five,
and certainly there are question marks all over the place.
Some of those questions we will address now with Mike
Chapel who joins us on the Java House Peel and
poor guest Line Chap of course, with CBS four WXI
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in Fox fifty nine and the d of Colts writers
chap I'm going to begin with We'll start here. Clearly,
I think we all are under the assumption the understanding
that we will get confirmation on the Daniel Jones Achilles injury.
And pardon my ignorance on this, having been on the
air for the last hour, has there been any official
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word yet today?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
No, it was my understanding he was supposed to get
an MRI at noon, Okay, And for those of us
who've had MRIs, they take about thirty to thirty five
minutes and then I have no idea how long it
takes to reading. But no, but when Shane Siken said
what he said last night from the podium, I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Know, yeah, I mean everyone knows.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Right, So confirmation will be, you know, the door slamming.
But this is where they are, and it makes this
a perfect storm that didn't turn out well for George
Clooney if if you saw the movie, I don't know,
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I don't know what a worst case scenario might be
than to be where the Colts are now and how
it's funny here. Okay, I was mister positive a minute
ago on Twitter on x using the Athletics playoff simulator,
they still got a thirty percent chance of make it
the playoffs. It drops to twenty five percent if they
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lose at Seattle, and then if they win their last
three games they make the playoffs. So it is right
there in front of them. But we talked last week
that I had a hard time seeing how they came
out of this death spiral with Daniel Jones, you know,
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and playing well, and now without him, I just I
just don't see it. You're asking a rookie to come
in and play who was a developmental quarterback. He'll give
them money, can give them, but it's just, I mean
kind of court that the odds are with all these simulators.
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It's just a tough road to go and I just
don't know how they do it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Okay, Chap, let's get to this. Okay, a couple of
angles here. I'm gonna go piece by piece. We'll begin
with Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones, and you know he is
obviously out for the rest of this year. So the
first question with that is about Daniel Jones, and that
is he is a free agent. If there's one I guess,
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and I hate to say this because I don't mean
this as a knock on him personally, but if there
is one silver lining, it's that the Colts had not
yet extended him, so they're not on the hook to
pay him for next year. Would you agree that this
would indicate that probably Daniel Jones has played his last
game as a cult.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
No, I would think, well, shign him in l Do
you sign him for a dead cap year knowing that
eventually you'll get him back?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And that's your answer, That's.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
The thing is you First of all, he he he
lost his shot at a really good multi year deal.
He was going to make fifty million guaranteed probably somewhere
and that whatever per year contract whatever. And now I
think you bring him back on one of those prove
it contracts, so for a year, because you know, it's
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like a nine to ten month ideally rehab and that's
that's ideal and position specific, probably quarterbacks can probably do it.
But that that's that's the start of the season with
no offseason. So I think I think you're bringing him
back because it'll be the best spot for him. But
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I don't know what your next three or four questions are.
But then you still have to go out and get
your quarterback well in the off season, right.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So, because here's the thing, I mean, I just I
my person thought Chap. I guess I'll respectfully disagree a
little bit here, and the fact that I get if
you want to sign him, the question is then the
timeline on when he's even able to play again, right,
and whether or not he's able to play next year
at the level that you need. But the second question
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then would be for this year, is Anthony Richardson a
possibility at some point to play? And secondly, when Anthony
Richardson is cleared, does he automatically become their starter?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Well, he's get cleared to practicing. Cleared to play are
two different things. And as of last week, Shane Sichin
told us at All that Richardson was able to do
is work in the weight room because with that fractured
orbitala bone, you just can't be jarring the body around,
your head around, so I, and there's only four weeks
to go, so I unless if they open the window
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to practice this week, normally it's been two weeks or
so to play, then you got one game to go
or whatever. I don't think the timeline works. I really don't.
And let's say he's ready to go for the final
game of the season in Houston, and everything probably will
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be decided about it then as far as what you're
doing and where you're going, I never thought he was
going to play again anyway because of the injury and
all that. And now I just don't see what the
purpose would be. But the CEF's to see what, to
see what in the game, to see what in two games. First,
I don't think he'll be medically cleared. I just don't.
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And then I know the timeline doesn't work, and I'm
not sure how enthusiastic the team would be to put
him back out there.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
So does he come back then next year as the
camp as you're opening camp starter.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
God, my first reaction is no, uh, because I think
they showed this year they didn't think that was a
viable option.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I agree that maybe mean in the.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Coaching staff, I think I think, uh, and then to say, well,
and then can you imagine the backtrack.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The chap Here's the thing. It wasn't a viable option
at the beginning of this year because they had another option.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
So so next year and maybe Riley Leonard maybe the
you know, maybe this is Rock Purty two point zero, right,
maybe it's like, oh gosh, you know what, we have
something here this Maybe it's Kelly Houlcomb. Hey, this guy's
not bad. Let's let's grow him. And maybe that gives you.
But do they really do that next year?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I mean no, Now what, you threw a lot of
things out there first. I don't think Rygy Leonard goes
into next season as maybe he's the guy. And I
don't want to dump on Roddy Leonard at all. He
was putting a really bad situation yesterday, which backups that
that's the job of a backup. But I just don't
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see they view him as prop Purdy. I just don't
or or one of those late ground or you know picks.
But no. But so I guess the timeline would be
is is instead of wanting to get Daniel Jones resigned
pre injury before he's a free agent, before the middle
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of March, whatever it is you'd want to you'd want
to get that done now. There's no hurry to resign him.
So your first priority, if everybody's back and all that
either way, I guess is who's your quarterback going into
the off season. I don't want the list is Mac Jones,
Kyler Murray. You want Kyler Murray here?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Really?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Uh? But that that's what you have, jameis Winston. Uh,
that's where you are again, And we saw how that
worked last time. It doesn't unless you get Philip Rivers
for one year. So the first priority would be figuring
out who your quarterback is, and then then you can
sign the Jones to be almost a red shirt until October. Uh,
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and then he's your I guess he's your backup. If
you're if you're the guy you bring in as your
is your starter, it's just a mess. Uh. And the
what what everyone will talk about, and we've all talked about,
is it's who's who's who's in line to lead this group?
What what does Carlyer say, Gordon do? And that's not
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a simple question. It really isn't the easy answers. You
blow it up, but there are circumstances. That's the fan
base is not going to want to hear. But this
is not going to be a slam dunted to just
blow it up.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Chap. If you're Alec Pierce, why would you come back?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Well, money for one thing.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
He's going to get that money elsewhere and he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Get the money. Yeah, yeah, I understand you're be coming
back to a place with a totally unsettled quarterback situation
when you can go to gosh, Buffalo. I mean, can
you imagine him as Kansas City? Good point, although I
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will say that you know the old bird in the
hand if they come to him and march first and
give him bookoo bucks, that's a really really good point.
While you come back when you're a deep threat receiver,
when you have no clue who your quarterback is going
to be loyalty. I don't want to hear that any
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player that's loyal to where he gives a team a
discount is not thinking straight. That's a good point, but
I still think they make a hard push to resign him.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Okay, Chap, last week we went through and and believe
you me, I mean, obviously when you're you're more in
tune with this than I. I'd still get confused by this.
I believe that you told us that when it comes
to the deaf ranking that def Con won was kissery
are in goodbye?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Wasn't that what you said? Okay?
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And you said that like you put it. I think
their season at def Con two point five going into Jacksonville,
they went down to Jacksonville, they lost. They now have
Seattle San Francisco too, to quote Hue Lewis and Eddie
Garrison upcoming. And then now you have your quarterbacks gone,
You've got a rookie in there that is learning on
the job. What Deaf Con are we on now.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
One and a half? Just because you know the bomb
hasn't dropped yet, it's we make light of this because
that's what we do, and the problem is people's you know,
they're still playing and people's jobs draw on the line.
So I don't want to make too much light of it,
but I'm just being we're just being realistic and it's
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just hard to see how this team comes out of
it is And if you're not, you know, if you're
in the inside, you're you're you're locked in on Seattle,
who is a who might be the second best first
bet that may be the best team in the league
right now the way they're playing, and you're going on
the road, and that's tough. So yeah, you try to
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stay it somewhat optimistic, but then reality slaps you in
the face. So if if you're not Kevin, Kevin Bacon
is sort of that is that defcon one with the
Animal House, stay calm or whatever it is. There's so
many there's so many little little snippets, but I'm just
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being realistic. And they I don't think they can take
that approach at all, uh inside the complex because this
is their job. And I'm not going to tell Quentin
Nelson that this season is toast because he'll he'll in
my life. But uh, I just think, really, really really
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realistically it's hard to see a path forward for the
next month, and it's really hard to get into Carli
Ercy's mind and see what she sees as far as
why this happened again, is it Chris Ballard and Shange
Styke and is it the injuries? And I could argue
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the injuries have been a major detriment, although they were,
you know, taken on Walter certainly before Tanger Jones went down.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Chap my thing. I'm going to play contrarian here, Okay,
I'm doing this to point out both sides. It doesn't
mean necessarily that I'm intentionally trying to be the bad guy.
But with that said, my Chapel, my guest by the way,
Java House Peel and poor guest line from CBS four
and WXI N when you look at evaluating, for example,
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if the trajectory of the franchise should still be guided
by the same person and Chris Ballard, the reality is, yes,
the injuries, and I get it, but he's some what
mortgage the future by taking a position with the player
who does have injury history and committing to him by
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sending not one, but two of the picks that are
usually used. If that's the position that you need, that's
where you get after it in a first round. They
sent both of their next two first rounders away to
New York for a corner, not a pass rush, a corner.
Do you not look at that and say or would
you not be somewhat correct if you were looked at
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and say, I understand the gamble, but you knew the
risk when you took it, and you lost the risk
and therefore we got to blow the whole thing up.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I understand it, and you're right. I think what's more
damning personnel wise? Is it Quity pay in Lyle to
La coct have not been what they need to be
and that it was a.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Bad day for him yesterday because they lost a quarterback
and they had no pass rush, right.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Yeah, zero sec zero quarterbacks. He dropped thirty times for
thirty two times with a couple of scrambles. So it's
that's what I'm saying. It's very it and that's what
Carl Earth say has to decide she's got it, and
I tell you she is. She's just not big visible
so she can say and say, hey, look at the
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owners out there, really involved. No, she's she's more dialed
in now than her father was over the last couple
of years for a lot of reasons. And she will
probably be more analytical and and be led by the
brain more than by the heart than maybe her her
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father would. Uh So, And however, she whatever she decides,
and I'm sure she will, she needs to sit up
there and say this is what we're doing, and this
is why, and whether you agree or not, I think
she's going to have very good reasons for what she does. Now,
whether the fan base agrees or disagrees, that's part of being,
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you know, in that seat, as you deal with the
bullets that come your way. So but as easy as
this decision might seem to be, if they end up,
they'll find a way to win another game. I just
believe that. So they finished nine and eight, then what
I mean, you've been five hundred for the last three years,
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which isn't good enough.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
It just isn't. So.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
But this is this is really gonna be interesting to
see what her first major decision is. Either way, it's
going to be franchise shaping. And if you blow it up.
If you blow it up with no first round draft
picks for two years, can you trade back in the
first round next year and get you mortgage or whatever
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you can do to get up there. And if you
blow it up, what do you do? You just can't
get rid of fifty three players who are your core
players like you talk with the Alex Pierce's and Taylor,
Quinton Nelson, on and on and on. That's why this
is not just so easy as you nuke it and
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then start over next year. That's not the way it works.
So this is I would love to spend an afternoon
just sitting her in her office and listening to her
discuss all these different scenarios because the easy it's, like
I say, with any player, the easiest thing is to
get rid of it, and the hardest saying. And then
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the hard thing is they're replacing. But now you know
factor that by fifty three and I realize you can.
You can replace the bottom half of your roster. You can,
there's always good players available, but those top ten twelve
players who mean everything. What do you do? And I
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tell you, like we always say, until you get the
quarterback fixed, it doesn't matter. So priority one, once you
decide what's what direction you're going, is who's your quarterback?
And as we see mean that's a tough decision when
when you're always reaching for somebody else's discards, they were
discarded for a.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Reason, Chap When you look, Eddie points this out players
that are free agents at the end of next season, Okay, right, Pittman,
Taylor Buckner, Nelson, Rover Stewart, Anthony Richardson, Josh Downs. You
know all of those players, right. And then in addition
to that, obviously you have the question at quarterback they
do have like for Pierce for example, I guess they
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could tag him, but I don't know how much that.
You know, we'll see if whether that pays dividends. But
it does feel like maybe this is the football God
saying it's time for a redirect. Okay, if that's the case,
when you look at the change in ownership and Carli
Ursa Gordon and I say this not because of just
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because of the fact that this is the first year
that we have seen her at the Helm, and yes
she has been around, and yes she's been carrying the clipboard,
and she's listening on the radio and all of those things.
If it comes down to it where she needs to
make a decision as to the direction of the franchise,
and she parts ways with Chris Ballard. Is there a
team of people you think that would consult with her
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as to who they would have their eyes on from
around I'm not saying that she wouldn't have her footprint
or her ear to the ground on league wide this,
but she's not her father who was around it for
forty five years and knew everybody. She will eventually, but
maybe not yet. Would there be people within the building
that would be able to guide her through that process
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or is it literally I'm making this call?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Oh? I think I think should reach outside the building
with the in the usual suspects, the Bill Pullians, the
Tony Dungees, people like that. Did she trusts I assume
she trusts those people. I think you have to go
outside the building and I have all the trust in
the world with Word and people like that. But you know,
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looking for a new to a GM that's not their specialty,
it would be uh, let's not get into those search
groups that some maybe there's more college or whatevery, but no,
She'll have three or four voices that she'll reach out to,
and if that's the direction she goes, this won't be
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that would be like I'm the smartest person in the room.
I don't don't need to listen to Tony Dune or
Bill Poli or whatever. I don't think that's her at all. Uh.
You have to have confidence confidants that you that you
trust and will listen to, not saying you just take
their word, you know, no knowing how I think she is.
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She's probably in her head it's thinking, well, if we
do this, this, this might be the direction we need
to go. I'm talking personnel, I mean names that she's got.
Jim or so. I told me that you've always got,
you know, in the right hand of your desk, You're
always had an index card with with coaching possibility and
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GM possibilities because you never knew when you might need them.
So she this will not It's like she didn't become
an owner Steward the day her father passed away. This
has been in the works, you know, whether it was
a year or two years, or five years or ten years.
She's been working toward ship, working towards that. And if
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the time comes and she that she resets the friends,
it won't be okay, Now what do I do? No,
She's she knows what she's doing, and she knows what
her options are. The difficulty is going to be deciding
whether it's option one, two or three. I'm not sure
what three would because you know, one blow it up
and two is to bring everybody back and.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Go that way.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
So I believe he is up for it, but I
don't think this will be a of theirs, a daughter's
decision alone. They will reach out and they will talk
with people who have been through this, who who who
know a lot, they have a great experience, and then
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they'll make decision, whatever the decision is.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
The quarterbacks that would be available as free agents for
next season, Daniel Jones heads the list, but obviously we
know the situation there after that, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson,
Marcus Mario, to Zach Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, former Colet, Joe Flacco,
and then Eddie right there, widow hands, Jimmy Pickett, Kenny
Pickett in his little hands, Jimmy Garoppolo, Mitchell Trubisky. If
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that gives you an idea of what we're that's.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
What I'm saying, Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Mac.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
I thought Mac Jones is going to be available, but
I'm not looked there. I've not done that yet, but
that's our point. And you name and name all these names,
and that's a point where do you go to bring
in I guess it would be a stop gap until
Jones gets ready. I don't know, but it's not enticing.
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So and again, as we've talked, if you decide to
reset and and just start over, what's that process?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Two years? Three years?
Speaker 4 (39:13):
This isn't This isn't n I l to where Kurt
Signetti comes in and all of a sudden, you're you're
gonna play for the national championship. You you know, yes,
you can buy players, but not quite like, not quite
like they do in college.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
So if it's kurtig, if we're doing the Kurt Signetti model,
then that means the Colts hired the head coach of
the Saskatchewan rough Riders and he brings half the roster
with him, right, I know.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
So again, as much as the simple answer as you
blow it up, it's not simple. Well no, that's as
simple to blow it up, but there are so many
ways that that you have to figure out. Well, then
what you know, after the dust settles, then what you got,
you know, you get the frame of a house. And
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that's it so I and again until you get the
quarterback done. And it doesn't look to me like the
twenty six director is going to be all that great
quarterbacks after all. So where do you go? I don't know.
I don't and we'll all speculate about it, and it's
interesting discussion, but it's not easy, you know. The easy
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thing is to blow it up and start over. And
then again, you've already had your your fan base be
frustrated and anxious over the lack of success over the
last gosh ten years. And now they're going to say,
you know, but we can fix this, just stick with
us for two or three more years. And you're not
building around Andrew Lucker, Peyton Manning, you're building around what again.
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You can read the names again, there's just there's just
nobody even remotely where you can say, you know, this
would be interesting. Who which one of those guys? Would
you say? You know, this all turt some interest. I
didn't hear one name on there? You say, you know,
maybe I didn't hear one name.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Chap.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
On the mac Jones front, he'll be entering the last
year that two year deal he just signed. This passed
off season with San Francisco, so the Colts would have
to trade for him if they wanted to go that roout.
And I know you talked about this with Jake that
at noon. It was Daniel Jones having that MRI. You
guys have to meet as in the media, you'll meet
with schine psych in in half an hour, so I
would assume that is when we will find out the
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determination on the seriousness of the tear, if it's a
complete tear or just a partial tear.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Yeah, I think we got Shane at twelve twenty or
two twenty. I just would assume he's going to say he'll,
you know, close the door on that, because it to
not do that it makes no sense. And I'm telling
you a lot of injuries you don't know what it
is really with knees and all this. I think, Well,
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an Achille, you know, he reached right down for the
back of his leg.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
It was so classic, right, you tried to take the
two steps, then you go back down again, and you know, yeah, unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah, it's some of them. You don't know this one,
you know, I'm ninety nine percent sure. And the one
of the person I was texting last night is yeah,
that's what we think that we're gonna wait for the MRI,
and and that's when the MRI I'll come back and
say this is what it is, and they move forward.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Mike Chapel CBS four WX I in Fox fifty nine
will have it all covered as we continue with this
story as it develops. And then tomorrow night, it is
my favorite night of the year. Nobody but chap and
I probably care, but it is our I believe it's
tomorrow night is our dinner, correct, chap six o'clock.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
I will be there. I would walk from Beech Grove
to there, and I can't walk very well, so I
always look forward to that.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
I do as well, Chap. We look forward to seeing
you then and I appreciate it as always.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
I'll you later, guys.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Well Mike Chapel joining us, He will get his course
light on ice tomorrow when we have our and I
have always said to me, it is the thrill of
all thrills, the honor of all honors. That what began
with Robin Miller putting together at dinner with all of
the former Indianapolis star writers, and I began my time
in indie media wise, in the job that Robin helped facilitate.
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As one of the grunts on the AGA bureau, I
basically took in box scores and typed him into a
computer that ended up going on the back page of
your sports pages. And even with that, they were always
gracious enough to include me. And I just sit like
a fly on the wall and listen to the legends
tell stories.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
Oh yeah, can you tell me the score of South
Dakota State and Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
I need to know if to cover the thirteen and
a half. We used to get a lot of that.
Oh yeah, you happen to know that it's always like
two in the morning.
The Indiana Hoosiers are the undisputed, unblemished Big Ten Football
champions and the number one team in the land. And
the guy that has been there for every step of
the way throughout this journey from the depths as I
talked about with the Tale of Two Cities, right the
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depths of darkness to the Season of light. Don Fisher,
the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, joining us now on
the Java House Peel and poor guest line and Don,
I'm going to begin with this, I know, and I'll
give you all the credit in the world because you
are the one guy from the get go when it
comes to Kurt Signetti, there was never really a doubt
in your mind as to what the ceiling was going
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to be for this team and how impressed you were.
But if you could for me, Don just summarize I
guess the emotion or not just for you, but just
for that building and for that fan base of seeing
it all collectively come together on what was literally an
unbelievably special night at Lucas Oil Stadium.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, the culmination, of course, was the third down pass
that Fernando Mendoza through to Charlie Becker, who made a
terrific catch and the throw was perfect. At that point,
you knew this game was going to belong to Indiana.
And I have my twin brother in Salt Lake City
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calls me up the next day and says, you guys
are a little bit too giddy there the last minute
and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Something could have happened.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I said, no, it can't, because Signetti is our coach,
and at any rate, I can just tell you from
my perspective, of course, hugely emotional ballgame, great win for
Indiana Athletics, but more importantly, a tremendous win for the
Hoosier Nation.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
A group of people, and.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I'm not talking about everybody that's jumped on board here
in the last you know, a couple of years now.
I'm talking about the people who bought season tickets for
year after year after year back in the sixties and
the seventies and the eighties and nineties, the two thousands
people who have been coming to Indiana football games forever,
and for me, those are the people that and I'm
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not saying that the people who have jumped on board
shouldn't be there. They should be there, But my point
is the people that have gone through this for all
these years and the struggles that Indiana football has had.
That to me is the most important faction of folks
that I want to think and stay of hanging in
there and staying with us and going through all of
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what we've gone through and still continue to buy tickets
and spend the money that it took to watch football
at Indiana and to support football at Indiana. And those
are the people that I feel the best for.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Don you know, Bill Binner is going to join me
coming up in about an hour. I mean, he's a
guy that sat through countless numbers of sleet storms watching
Lorenzo White run for two hundred and sixty yards, and
you know, I mean on and on right, I mean,
and it's those folks, right, And I think also about
and I'd mentioned this on Friday, and you and I've
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talked about this. You know, Terry Hepner was a guy
that took that Indiana job and had this belief of
kind of what Kurt Signetti has delivered. And I don't
mean that to say one is that, you know, I mean,
they're two separate men. I understand that. But Hepner had
this belief of, like, no, this is where this program
could go, and I think most of us probably thought
he was a little bit crazy back then, and then
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unfortunately he got sick and he never got a chance
to see it to fruition and I'm watching that on
Saturday night, And that's what made me so happy for
Kurt Signetti was the fact that here's a guy that
came in with his own also his own vision and
his delivery of his own vision. But it was parallel
with that vision and belief that we had seen preview
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of before and I never thought I'd see it, Don,
But that, to me is what made it so special
was the number of people there, and there were those
people that believed that was possible. And even still, I'm
not gonna lie to you, Don, when you said unbelievable,
I thought to myself, no, I still don't believe it, right,
I mean, it was that incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It was there's no question about it.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And look all I can tell you, and you're right
about Terry Heppner. He knew he could get this program
turned around, and he never got that opportunity because of
the glioblostoma cancer that he suffered brain tumor and died
in June after his second season and to me, that's
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heartbreaking because and I know his son Drew was at
the ballgame on Saturday, and my wife told me about
it yesterday and I started blubbering because I when I
think of Terry Hepner, all I can do is get emotional.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, I know what he meant to you, don I
mean I don't. I wasn't there firsthand, but you hear it.
And I think that for those that don't know, anybody
that was around him would understand why you feel that way, right?
And I feel like yeah, And it's like Kurt Signetti
walks and exudes the energy and the confidence that Terry
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Hepner tried to introduce to people.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That's the best way I can say it. If that
makes sense, No, it makes sense. It makes perfect sense.
And that's the way to put it because hep was
a guy that believed in Indiana football and I know
he knows he could have turned it around, and he
would have done it had he lived, but he did not.
And Kurt Signetti has followed whatever his vision was, whatever
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vision that Terry had, he spottled that up and you
put it perfectly. That's exactly the way I feel about it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Don when you look at you know, I thought it
was interesting after the game, Don Fisher, the voice of
the Hoosiers is our guest Joba House peeling, poor guest
line when when Kurt Signetti said, and he kind of
flippantly said it, which I enjoyed, but he said, you know,
now I got two weeks to get these guys to
turn around and refocus. And yeah, I had to laugh
because I thought to myself, I don't know that I
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have seen a football team that has more in step
bought into everything his coach said to the point where, yeah,
I mean, are they going to go in and win
the Rose Bull? I don't know that. But what I
do know is this, I don't think they're going to
go in and shoot themselves in the foot and not
show up, because that's just been I mean, you'd be
an idiot at this point to think anything other than
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Indiana is going to go put their best foot forward, right,
And you know, were you able to see anything after
the game and the celebration, et cetera that was any
different in terms of their standard operating procedure from the
way he's always done things.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
No, I mean, here's the thing he did allow his
team to stay out there in the field and celebrate it,
which you would expect that any coach would do that.
And so everything that I saw from Kurt Signetti post game,
he had all kinds of responsibilities with the me The
Fox interviewed him, of course, and of course the Big
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ten network interviewed him, and he had to do all
these other things involved in that. But the other thing
about that is he took time at the very I mean,
we were on the air for about forty five minutes
after the game. We're usually about twenty minutes after a
ballgame in normal circumstances. It was at least forty five,
maybe fifty minutes that we were still on the air
after the ballgame was over with. And he finally got
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to us, and I knew he would if he had
the time, if he had the opportunity, And he finally
got to us and got to talk to our people
on the air, and who's your nation, so to speak,
that listens on the radio. So I just think the
guy is first class in every way. He's the greatest
coach I've ever been around in a sense of what
he's accomplished. And without doubt, I think this is a
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phenomenal run for Indiana football that we've never seen before.
It's historic in every way, and it's a renaissance for
the program. And without question, I can't wait for the
rest of this season to fill itself out because I
think I think fans are going to be just as
excited about what we're about to see in the college
football playoff as they were through this twelve win season.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know, it's funny, Don, when people say, you know,
is so and so the best player of the century,
and you think, oh, gosh, I forget, We're only a
quarter the way through this century, right. I mean when
I think century, I still think the nineteen hundreds, right.
What he's done is I don't care whether you're talking
nineteen hundreds or two thousands. It's the greatest college football
coaching job I've ever that. I think anybody walking the
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planet right now has ever seen. We've never seen anything
like this. Now, having said all of that, do you
feel Don that there is still that there are still
wrinkles to this football team that can be presented or
new looks that they can come up with for the playoffs?
Or are they at the point now of this is
who we are? This is what we do, and we're
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confident in the way we do it, and we don't
need to readjust game plans.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well, every game plan needs to be adjusted, there no
doubt about that because of who you're playing, so that
factors into it. But here's the thing. It's not going
to change philosophically and it's not going to change process
wise for this Indiana football team.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
That's just a fact. He's been like this since he's.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Gotten here, and I trust everything that he does in
that sense. His game plans are ridiculously good. And I
say that because I'll tell you who I thought was
the best offensive coordinator Indiana's ever had, and that was
Kaylen de Boer. Now how long ago was that? Not
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that long ago? Right, But here's the thing about Kaylen
de Boor. He did a tremendous job here at Indiana
in one season, the COVID season with Michael Pennix, and
what he produced in that year was astonishing to me
because I thought, this guy really knows what he's doing.
And I still think that Kayln de Boor is a
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great football coach. And he's getting all kinds of up
at Alabama from the fan base because they've lost three times.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
That kind of.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Thing, and the fact that they made the college football
Playoff is in a lot of people's minds is very
very I don't know what the right word would be,
but a lot of people would say they don't deserve
to be there. I don't know if they should or not,
but I will say this that Indiana is capable of
beating anybody they play in this college football playoff because
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Kurt Signetti's that good.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And if we played Kylen.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
De boor or if we play Kirby Smart or whoever
the coach is, I will not take anything away from
Kurt Signetti's ability to dominate that football game with his
thinking process and how he goes about things. The only
way Indiana is going to get beat in this college
football playoff, in my mind, is because the other team
has more talent, because Indiana's talent is not what it
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is to some of these programs, but the coaching is
beyond it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Don I got a kick out of it. Got a
good buddy of mine went to James Madison, and you know,
James Madison obviously got into the college football Payoff as well,
and he sent me a text that said, it's great
to be a JAMU fan because we have two teams
in the Big in the college football playoff, you know,
after the Big Ten title game, because you know, obviously
some of the great players that say and that's to me,
that's such a tribute to Kurt Signetty because when you
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look at players that started at James Madison and now
they're beating all you know, their key players in beating
Ohio State for crying out loud in the Big Ten
title game, and so much of that just comes down
to coaching belief, all the things we've talked about. I
wanted to ask you this. You had the ability and
you did both games, which was I mean, you are
the You're the lou garig right, You're the iron horse
of broadcasting. Because you did both games on Saturday, you
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you should probably have some sort of a throat laws
and endorsement. But but I will for those that don't know,
Don and I got to give you that the ultimate
tip of the cap because people will say, well did
his voice hold out? That is mentally exhausting. I mean,
honestly doing broadcasting for that long and having to move
that quickly for those for games back to back is unbelievable.
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Having said that, in doing basketball and football, you have
seen two legendary coaches India a lot of coaches, but
two legendary ones, and Bob Knight and kurtz Signetti. The
reason I bring it up, Bob Knight was a coach
that when you went into a game, you thought to yourself,
the other team might have players, but they're not going
to be more prepared than Indiana. From an x's and
o's standpoint, the personalities aside, do you ever see or
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feel similarity in terms of listening to the coaches in
terms of their preparation talk between those two guys that
you've had to do so many pregame shows.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
With, Well, no, I don't see a difference.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Coach Knight was demanding on players of basically anybody in
his program. Wasn't amending on those people to be what
they should be and what they can be. That kind
of thing you get the same thing from Kurt Signetti.
He hires the right people, number one, because he vets
them all. He knows who they are before they get there,
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and he knows what he's going to get from those people,
and they produce for him. And that's the trust he
has and the people that he gets because he, like
I said, he vets everybody that's in the program. So
and Bob Knight did exactly the same thing. He wanted
guys that were going to buy into his philosophy, his thoughts,
how to play the game, those kinds of things. He
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did it with players, he did it with coaches, He
did it with the people that he surrounded himself with. So, yeah,
they're so much alike in that vein. They are totally
different personalities. And I say totally different only from the
standpoint that Coach Knight, as everybody knows, was so controversial
and so many different ways, and Churtz Signetty, I don't
think is in that context. His personality is different in
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that way. And then how he handles players is different
than what Bob did. That's not a negative on either guy.
It's just the way it was at the time that
they were coaching and has been. So those kinds of
things change over the years, too, but they never I
don't think they ever changed with coach Knight and with
coach Signetti after his twenty six I think it was
twenty six years he was an assistant and learned a
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lot of things from a lot of different coaches, and
then got his own programs at Indiana, vergs to Pennsylvania
and then Elon and not of course James Madison and
now Indiana. He doesn't vary from it, and in his
philosophy and his thinking process and how he goes about
running the program is as good as I've ever seen.
And it's simply so, very again, very simply like a
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lot of what Bob Knight did because he were in
the program the way he thought it should be run
and it was hugely successful.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
And vice versa with Kurt Signetti.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Okay, lastly, Don, I wanted to ask you this. There
were a lot of people, understandably and rightly so, per
Signetti being one of them, it talked about how happy
they were for Don Fisher to see that moment on
Saturday Night. So I'd like Don Fisher to say, what
individual or individual? I realized the fan base in general
is all encompassing, but was there anybody specifically that you
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thought of as that game was ending that you thought
to yourself, that's who I'm happy for.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Well again, and there's no individual that I thought about
that for I thought about that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
For the who's Your Nation. I really did.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I wanted this program to take off at some point
football wise, and even when it got started early and
looked like it might change, it has not. In all
those years, and that there have been a humongous number
of people coaches that I've enjoyed immensely at Indiana, Guys
that I had the greatest amount of respect for, Obviously
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Bill Mallory and Bill Lynch and Terry Hepner and those
type of people. I loved all those people. They were
just great folks and they were really good coaches. They
just didn't hit it at the right time, and unfortunately
for all of us, Who's your Nation suffered because of that,
And now it's changed completely. And that's why I'm really
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happy for the entire Hoosier Nation, because these people have
gone through a lot over the years.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Well, don for the Hoo's your Nation. You've been the
town crier for many years and that was more crying
probably than actual town bugle blowing. But so the time
is now and celebrate it and enjoy it. And January first,
at four o'clock, you will be calling a college football
playoff game in the Rose Bowl for the Indiana Hoosiers
and We certainly look forward to it. Always appreciate the time, Don,
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and I certainly hope you were able to continue to
enjoy what took place on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Absolutely appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Thanks Ja, Don Fisher joining us the voice of the Hoosiers.
It is true that everything is still before them, but
for the Colts, do not look in the rear view mirror,
because now have dropped three in a row, four of five,
and certainly there are question marks all over the place.
Some of those questions we will address now with Mike
Chapel who joins us on the Java House Peel and
poor guest Line Chap of course, with CBS four WXI
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in Fox fifty nine and the d of Colts writers
chap I'm going to begin with We'll start here. Clearly,
I think we all are under the assumption the understanding
that we will get confirmation on the Daniel Jones Achilles injury.
And pardon my ignorance on this, having been on the
air for the last hour, has there been any official
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word yet today?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
No, it was my understanding he was supposed to get
an MRI at noon, Okay, And for those of us
who've had MRIs, they take about thirty to thirty five
minutes and then I have no idea how long it
takes to reading. But no, but when Shane Siken said
what he said last night from the podium, I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Know, yeah, I mean everyone knows.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Right, So confirmation will be, you know, the door slamming.
But this is where they are, and it makes this
a perfect storm that didn't turn out well for George
Clooney if if you saw the movie, I don't know,
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I don't know what a worst case scenario might be
than to be where the Colts are now and how
it's funny here. Okay, I was mister positive a minute
ago on Twitter on x using the Athletics playoff simulator,
they still got a thirty percent chance of make it
the playoffs. It drops to twenty five percent if they
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lose at Seattle, and then if they win their last
three games they make the playoffs. So it is right
there in front of them. But we talked last week
that I had a hard time seeing how they came
out of this death spiral with Daniel Jones, you know,
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and playing well, and now without him, I just I
just don't see it. You're asking a rookie to come
in and play who was a developmental quarterback. He'll give
them money, can give them, but it's just, I mean
kind of court that the odds are with all these simulators.
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It's just a tough road to go and I just
don't know how they do it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Okay, Chap, let's get to this. Okay, a couple of
angles here. I'm gonna go piece by piece. We'll begin
with Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones, and you know he is
obviously out for the rest of this year. So the
first question with that is about Daniel Jones, and that
is he is a free agent. If there's one I guess,
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and I hate to say this because I don't mean
this as a knock on him personally, but if there
is one silver lining, it's that the Colts had not
yet extended him, so they're not on the hook to
pay him for next year. Would you agree that this
would indicate that probably Daniel Jones has played his last
game as a cult.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
No, I would think, well, shign him in l Do
you sign him for a dead cap year knowing that
eventually you'll get him back?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And that's your answer, That's.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
The thing is you First of all, he he he
lost his shot at a really good multi year deal.
He was going to make fifty million guaranteed probably somewhere
and that whatever per year contract whatever. And now I
think you bring him back on one of those prove
it contracts, so for a year, because you know, it's
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like a nine to ten month ideally rehab and that's
that's ideal and position specific, probably quarterbacks can probably do it.
But that that's that's the start of the season with
no offseason. So I think I think you're bringing him
back because it'll be the best spot for him. But
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I don't know what your next three or four questions are.
But then you still have to go out and get
your quarterback well in the off season, right.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So, because here's the thing, I mean, I just I
my person thought Chap. I guess I'll respectfully disagree a
little bit here, and the fact that I get if
you want to sign him, the question is then the
timeline on when he's even able to play again, right,
and whether or not he's able to play next year
at the level that you need. But the second question
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then would be for this year, is Anthony Richardson a
possibility at some point to play? And secondly, when Anthony
Richardson is cleared, does he automatically become their starter?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Well, he's get cleared to practicing. Cleared to play are
two different things. And as of last week, Shane Sichin
told us at All that Richardson was able to do
is work in the weight room because with that fractured
orbitala bone, you just can't be jarring the body around,
your head around, so I, and there's only four weeks
to go, so I unless if they open the window
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to practice this week, normally it's been two weeks or
so to play, then you got one game to go
or whatever. I don't think the timeline works. I really don't.
And let's say he's ready to go for the final
game of the season in Houston, and everything probably will
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be decided about it then as far as what you're
doing and where you're going, I never thought he was
going to play again anyway because of the injury and
all that. And now I just don't see what the
purpose would be. But the CEF's to see what, to
see what in the game, to see what in two games. First,
I don't think he'll be medically cleared. I just don't.
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And then I know the timeline doesn't work, and I'm
not sure how enthusiastic the team would be to put
him back out there.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
So does he come back then next year as the
camp as you're opening camp starter.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
God, my first reaction is no, uh, because I think
they showed this year they didn't think that was a
viable option.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I agree that maybe mean in the.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Coaching staff, I think I think, uh, and then to say, well,
and then can you imagine the backtrack.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The chap Here's the thing. It wasn't a viable option
at the beginning of this year because they had another option.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
So so next year and maybe Riley Leonard maybe the
you know, maybe this is Rock Purty two point zero, right,
maybe it's like, oh gosh, you know what, we have
something here this Maybe it's Kelly Houlcomb. Hey, this guy's
not bad. Let's let's grow him. And maybe that gives you.
But do they really do that next year?
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I mean no, Now what, you threw a lot of
things out there first. I don't think Rygy Leonard goes
into next season as maybe he's the guy. And I
don't want to dump on Roddy Leonard at all. He
was putting a really bad situation yesterday, which backups that
that's the job of a backup. But I just don't
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see they view him as prop Purdy. I just don't
or or one of those late ground or you know picks.
But no. But so I guess the timeline would be
is is instead of wanting to get Daniel Jones resigned
pre injury before he's a free agent, before the middle
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of March, whatever it is you'd want to you'd want
to get that done now. There's no hurry to resign him.
So your first priority, if everybody's back and all that
either way, I guess is who's your quarterback going into
the off season. I don't want the list is Mac Jones,
Kyler Murray. You want Kyler Murray here?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Really?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Uh? But that that's what you have, jameis Winston. Uh,
that's where you are again, And we saw how that
worked last time. It doesn't unless you get Philip Rivers
for one year. So the first priority would be figuring
out who your quarterback is, and then then you can
sign the Jones to be almost a red shirt until October. Uh,
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and then he's your I guess he's your backup. If
you're if you're the guy you bring in as your
is your starter, it's just a mess. Uh. And the
what what everyone will talk about, and we've all talked about,
is it's who's who's who's in line to lead this group?
What what does Carlyer say, Gordon do? And that's not
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a simple question. It really isn't the easy answers. You
blow it up, but there are circumstances. That's the fan
base is not going to want to hear. But this
is not going to be a slam dunted to just
blow it up.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Chap. If you're Alec Pierce, why would you come back?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Well, money for one thing.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
He's going to get that money elsewhere and he's gonna.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Get the money. Yeah, yeah, I understand you're be coming
back to a place with a totally unsettled quarterback situation
when you can go to gosh, Buffalo. I mean, can
you imagine him as Kansas City? Good point, although I
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will say that you know the old bird in the
hand if they come to him and march first and
give him bookoo bucks, that's a really really good point.
While you come back when you're a deep threat receiver,
when you have no clue who your quarterback is going
to be loyalty. I don't want to hear that any
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player that's loyal to where he gives a team a
discount is not thinking straight. That's a good point, but
I still think they make a hard push to resign him.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Okay, Chap, last week we went through and and believe
you me, I mean, obviously when you're you're more in
tune with this than I. I'd still get confused by this.
I believe that you told us that when it comes
to the deaf ranking that def Con won was kissery
are in goodbye?
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Wasn't that what you said? Okay?
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (27:06):
And you said that like you put it. I think
their season at def Con two point five going into Jacksonville,
they went down to Jacksonville, they lost. They now have
Seattle San Francisco too, to quote Hue Lewis and Eddie
Garrison upcoming. And then now you have your quarterbacks gone,
You've got a rookie in there that is learning on
the job. What Deaf Con are we on now.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
One and a half? Just because you know the bomb
hasn't dropped yet, it's we make light of this because
that's what we do, and the problem is people's you know,
they're still playing and people's jobs draw on the line.
So I don't want to make too much light of it,
but I'm just being we're just being realistic and it's
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just hard to see how this team comes out of
it is And if you're not, you know, if you're
in the inside, you're you're you're locked in on Seattle,
who is a who might be the second best first
bet that may be the best team in the league
right now the way they're playing, and you're going on
the road, and that's tough. So yeah, you try to
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stay it somewhat optimistic, but then reality slaps you in
the face. So if if you're not Kevin, Kevin Bacon
is sort of that is that defcon one with the
Animal House, stay calm or whatever it is. There's so
many there's so many little little snippets, but I'm just
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being realistic. And they I don't think they can take
that approach at all, uh inside the complex because this
is their job. And I'm not going to tell Quentin
Nelson that this season is toast because he'll he'll in
my life. But uh, I just think, really, really really
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realistically it's hard to see a path forward for the
next month, and it's really hard to get into Carli
Ercy's mind and see what she sees as far as
why this happened again, is it Chris Ballard and Shange
Styke and is it the injuries? And I could argue
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the injuries have been a major detriment, although they were,
you know, taken on Walter certainly before Tanger Jones went down.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Chap my thing. I'm going to play contrarian here, Okay,
I'm doing this to point out both sides. It doesn't
mean necessarily that I'm intentionally trying to be the bad guy.
But with that said, my Chapel, my guest by the way,
Java House Peel and poor guest line from CBS four
and WXI N when you look at evaluating, for example,
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if the trajectory of the franchise should still be guided
by the same person and Chris Ballard, the reality is, yes,
the injuries, and I get it, but he's some what
mortgage the future by taking a position with the player
who does have injury history and committing to him by
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sending not one, but two of the picks that are
usually used. If that's the position that you need, that's
where you get after it in a first round. They
sent both of their next two first rounders away to
New York for a corner, not a pass rush, a corner.
Do you not look at that and say or would
you not be somewhat correct if you were looked at
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and say, I understand the gamble, but you knew the
risk when you took it, and you lost the risk
and therefore we got to blow the whole thing up.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
I understand it, and you're right. I think what's more
damning personnel wise? Is it Quity pay in Lyle to
La coct have not been what they need to be
and that it was a.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Bad day for him yesterday because they lost a quarterback
and they had no pass rush, right.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Yeah, zero sec zero quarterbacks. He dropped thirty times for
thirty two times with a couple of scrambles. So it's
that's what I'm saying. It's very it and that's what
Carl Earth say has to decide she's got it, and
I tell you she is. She's just not big visible
so she can say and say, hey, look at the
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owners out there, really involved. No, she's she's more dialed
in now than her father was over the last couple
of years for a lot of reasons. And she will
probably be more analytical and and be led by the
brain more than by the heart than maybe her her
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father would. Uh So, And however, she whatever she decides,
and I'm sure she will, she needs to sit up
there and say this is what we're doing, and this
is why, and whether you agree or not, I think
she's going to have very good reasons for what she does. Now,
whether the fan base agrees or disagrees, that's part of being,
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you know, in that seat, as you deal with the
bullets that come your way. So but as easy as
this decision might seem to be, if they end up,
they'll find a way to win another game. I just
believe that. So they finished nine and eight, then what
I mean, you've been five hundred for the last three years,
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which isn't good enough.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
It just isn't. So.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
But this is this is really gonna be interesting to
see what her first major decision is. Either way, it's
going to be franchise shaping. And if you blow it up.
If you blow it up with no first round draft
picks for two years, can you trade back in the
first round next year and get you mortgage or whatever
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you can do to get up there. And if you
blow it up, what do you do? You just can't
get rid of fifty three players who are your core
players like you talk with the Alex Pierce's and Taylor,
Quinton Nelson, on and on and on. That's why this
is not just so easy as you nuke it and
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then start over next year. That's not the way it works.
So this is I would love to spend an afternoon
just sitting her in her office and listening to her
discuss all these different scenarios because the easy it's, like
I say, with any player, the easiest thing is to
get rid of it, and the hardest saying. And then
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the hard thing is they're replacing. But now you know
factor that by fifty three and I realize you can.
You can replace the bottom half of your roster. You can,
there's always good players available, but those top ten twelve
players who mean everything. What do you do? And I
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tell you, like we always say, until you get the
quarterback fixed, it doesn't matter. So priority one, once you
decide what's what direction you're going, is who's your quarterback?
And as we see mean that's a tough decision when
when you're always reaching for somebody else's discards, they were
discarded for a.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Reason, Chap When you look, Eddie points this out players
that are free agents at the end of next season, Okay, right, Pittman,
Taylor Buckner, Nelson, Rover Stewart, Anthony Richardson, Josh Downs. You
know all of those players, right. And then in addition
to that, obviously you have the question at quarterback they
do have like for Pierce for example, I guess they
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could tag him, but I don't know how much that.
You know, we'll see if whether that pays dividends. But
it does feel like maybe this is the football God
saying it's time for a redirect. Okay, if that's the case,
when you look at the change in ownership and Carli
Ursa Gordon and I say this not because of just
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because of the fact that this is the first year
that we have seen her at the Helm, and yes
she has been around, and yes she's been carrying the clipboard,
and she's listening on the radio and all of those things.
If it comes down to it where she needs to
make a decision as to the direction of the franchise,
and she parts ways with Chris Ballard. Is there a
team of people you think that would consult with her
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as to who they would have their eyes on from
around I'm not saying that she wouldn't have her footprint
or her ear to the ground on league wide this,
but she's not her father who was around it for
forty five years and knew everybody. She will eventually, but
maybe not yet. Would there be people within the building
that would be able to guide her through that process
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or is it literally I'm making this call?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Oh? I think I think should reach outside the building
with the in the usual suspects, the Bill Pullians, the
Tony Dungees, people like that. Did she trusts I assume
she trusts those people. I think you have to go
outside the building and I have all the trust in
the world with Word and people like that. But you know,
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looking for a new to a GM that's not their specialty,
it would be uh, let's not get into those search
groups that some maybe there's more college or whatevery, but no,
She'll have three or four voices that she'll reach out to,
and if that's the direction she goes, this won't be
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that would be like I'm the smartest person in the room.
I don't don't need to listen to Tony Dune or
Bill Poli or whatever. I don't think that's her at all. Uh.
You have to have confidence confidants that you that you
trust and will listen to, not saying you just take
their word, you know, no knowing how I think she is.
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She's probably in her head it's thinking, well, if we
do this, this, this might be the direction we need
to go. I'm talking personnel, I mean names that she's got.
Jim or so. I told me that you've always got,
you know, in the right hand of your desk, You're
always had an index card with with coaching possibility and
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GM possibilities because you never knew when you might need them.
So she this will not It's like she didn't become
an owner Steward the day her father passed away. This
has been in the works, you know, whether it was
a year or two years, or five years or ten years.
She's been working toward ship, working towards that. And if
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the time comes and she that she resets the friends,
it won't be okay, Now what do I do? No,
She's she knows what she's doing, and she knows what
her options are. The difficulty is going to be deciding
whether it's option one, two or three. I'm not sure
what three would because you know, one blow it up
and two is to bring everybody back and.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Go that way.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
So I believe he is up for it, but I
don't think this will be a of theirs, a daughter's
decision alone. They will reach out and they will talk
with people who have been through this, who who who
know a lot, they have a great experience, and then
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they'll make decision, whatever the decision is.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
The quarterbacks that would be available as free agents for
next season, Daniel Jones heads the list, but obviously we
know the situation there after that, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson,
Marcus Mario, to Zach Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, former Colet, Joe Flacco,
and then Eddie right there, widow hands, Jimmy Pickett, Kenny
Pickett in his little hands, Jimmy Garoppolo, Mitchell Trubisky. If
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that gives you an idea of what we're that's.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
What I'm saying, Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Mac.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
I thought Mac Jones is going to be available, but
I'm not looked there. I've not done that yet, but
that's our point. And you name and name all these names,
and that's a point where do you go to bring
in I guess it would be a stop gap until
Jones gets ready. I don't know, but it's not enticing.
(39:02):
So and again, as we've talked, if you decide to
reset and and just start over, what's that process?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Two years? Three years?
Speaker 4 (39:13):
This isn't This isn't n I l to where Kurt
Signetti comes in and all of a sudden, you're you're
gonna play for the national championship. You you know, yes,
you can buy players, but not quite like, not quite
like they do in college.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
So if it's kurtig, if we're doing the Kurt Signetti model,
then that means the Colts hired the head coach of
the Saskatchewan rough Riders and he brings half the roster
with him, right, I know.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
So again, as much as the simple answer as you
blow it up, it's not simple. Well no, that's as
simple to blow it up, but there are so many
ways that that you have to figure out. Well, then
what you know, after the dust settles, then what you got,
you know, you get the frame of a house. And
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that's it so I and again until you get the
quarterback done. And it doesn't look to me like the
twenty six director is going to be all that great
quarterbacks after all. So where do you go? I don't know.
I don't and we'll all speculate about it, and it's
interesting discussion, but it's not easy, you know. The easy
(40:21):
thing is to blow it up and start over. And
then again, you've already had your your fan base be
frustrated and anxious over the lack of success over the
last gosh ten years. And now they're going to say,
you know, but we can fix this, just stick with
us for two or three more years. And you're not
building around Andrew Lucker, Peyton Manning, you're building around what again.
(40:46):
You can read the names again, there's just there's just
nobody even remotely where you can say, you know, this
would be interesting. Who which one of those guys? Would
you say? You know, this all turt some interest. I
didn't hear one name on there? You say, you know,
maybe I didn't hear one name.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Chap.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
On the mac Jones front, he'll be entering the last
year that two year deal he just signed. This passed
off season with San Francisco, so the Colts would have
to trade for him if they wanted to go that roout.
And I know you talked about this with Jake that
at noon. It was Daniel Jones having that MRI. You
guys have to meet as in the media, you'll meet
with schine psych in in half an hour, so I
would assume that is when we will find out the
(41:27):
determination on the seriousness of the tear, if it's a
complete tear or just a partial tear.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Yeah, I think we got Shane at twelve twenty or
two twenty. I just would assume he's going to say he'll,
you know, close the door on that, because it to
not do that it makes no sense. And I'm telling
you a lot of injuries you don't know what it
is really with knees and all this. I think, Well,
(41:52):
an Achille, you know, he reached right down for the
back of his leg.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
It was so classic, right, you tried to take the
two steps, then you go back down again, and you know, yeah, unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah, it's some of them. You don't know this one,
you know, I'm ninety nine percent sure. And the one
of the person I was texting last night is yeah,
that's what we think that we're gonna wait for the MRI,
and and that's when the MRI I'll come back and
say this is what it is, and they move forward.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Mike Chapel CBS four WX I in Fox fifty nine
will have it all covered as we continue with this
story as it develops. And then tomorrow night, it is
my favorite night of the year. Nobody but chap and
I probably care, but it is our I believe it's
tomorrow night is our dinner, correct, chap six o'clock.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
I will be there. I would walk from Beech Grove
to there, and I can't walk very well, so I
always look forward to that.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
I do as well, Chap. We look forward to seeing
you then and I appreciate it as always.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
I'll you later, guys.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Well Mike Chapel joining us, He will get his course
light on ice tomorrow when we have our and I
have always said to me, it is the thrill of
all thrills, the honor of all honors. That what began
with Robin Miller putting together at dinner with all of
the former Indianapolis star writers, and I began my time
in indie media wise, in the job that Robin helped facilitate.
(43:12):
As one of the grunts on the AGA bureau, I
basically took in box scores and typed him into a
computer that ended up going on the back page of
your sports pages. And even with that, they were always
gracious enough to include me. And I just sit like
a fly on the wall and listen to the legends
tell stories.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
Oh yeah, can you tell me the score of South
Dakota State and Wyoming.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
I need to know if to cover the thirteen and
a half. We used to get a lot of that.
Oh yeah, you happen to know that it's always like
two in the morning.
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