December 29, 2025 • 34 mins
Today’s Best of Features:
(00:00-20:55) – The Dean, Mike Chappell, from CBS4 and FOX59, joins the show to evaluate where things are at right now with Chris Ballard and his future with the franchise. Chapp also assesses the state of the roster with so many players that are coming closer and closer to the end of their careers. Finally, Mike and Jake debate whether DeForest Buckner will be back next year or not.
(21:37-34:20) – Brian Neubert from GoldAndBlack.com joins Jake Query on today’s show to preview Purdue’s final non-conference game against Kent State. Their conversation starts with Jake asking Brian for his opinion on the current landscape of college basketball with Baylor finding a loophole in athletic eligibility for a former NBA draft pick. Brian also weighs in on whether the NCAA power programs will ever become part of the G League.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mike Chappell joins us Java House Peel and Poor Guest Line.
Java house dot com is the website. Jake twenty five
is how you can get twenty five percent off the
bundles for the Peel and Poor Pods. Chap, I'll begin
with this before we get into talking about maybe some
of the rest of the AFC. The Colts do do
have a game left. We know that seemingly meaningless in
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terms of what it means for their you know, postseason
that's done. Where do the Colts go from here?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Chap?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
In your opinion, I guess I'll begin with where do
you think they will go? What do you think Carly
Ursa Gordon ends up doing?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
If I had to put your salary on the bet.
Let me see, there's aren't There's three options, right, It's
you bring them back everybody, you blow it up, and
you bring it back with probably getting rid of Chris
moving on from Chris Powder. But those are the three
primary op You could bring back Chris and rid of
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Shange stacking, which would make no sense to me because
his taking's proven pretty good when you when you give
him stability, even with a marginal quarterback. I tell you stings,
taking getting getting Gardner Minshew a fifteen million dollar free
agent contract from the Raiders, his monster, I mean, one
play away from them. So yeah, boy, I maybe we've
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talked on this. Maybe it's just the best guys in
the in the media room. My gut says, and I'll
duck when I say this, that they're going to bring
it back. This, she'll bring it back. This is the
argument I'll make, and then I'll change my mind. But
I think Carly is going to sit there and say,
you know, when we were seven and one and eight
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and two, we were pretty damn good. I mean, we
were good, and I don't want to hear this garbage
on the social media that, well, you know they were
regressing before this, No, they were regressing. They regressed when
Daniel Jones broke his leg. He played two games of
the broken leg. Fractured, yes, fracture, break break, it's a
broken leg, and then the Achilles and that was compounded
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monsterly by Anthony Richardson not being available because of his
uh freak injury. I'm convinced that if that injury doesn't happen,
they're in the playoffs because Richardson would have done enough
and they wouldn't have bothered Philip Rivers out of retirement.
So I in what I can't get out of my
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mind too, is that I believe she was pretty much behind,
not pretty buch. I think issues behind most of the
things that Chris did in the off season, you know,
the big contracts for Ward and buying them and Jones,
you know, not so much Jones, but then that's certainly
the giving up two verse round picks for Sauce. Gardner
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told me that they were locked in on this roster now,
not just for this year, not just for this year,
but for the next few years, and that meant investing
something in the offseason in bringing Daniel Jones back, which
in my mind they still will now the dynamics have changed.
But I just think that the moves that have been made,
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and I understand, I understand the fan base is done.
They are so over nine years of two playoffs and
one win, and I understand it, and I can't talk
you off of that ledge at all. But I just
think to reset now would would be difficult because the
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year to reset is it in twenty twenty six, when
most of the guys, a lot of the really major players,
their contracts are up, you know, Buck, although who knows
if he comes back from this or needed DIC surgery.
Jonathan Taylor, Pittman, Quinton and on and on, and that
that's when it seems like is when if you're going
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to blow it up, that's when you do it. So
and could they fire Chris batter and bring in a
GM and say, by the way, here's your head coach
and your quarterback. Yes, I don't think that works very often.
They didn't work with Chris and Chuck Bagano, although they're different,
different scenarios. So I can, I can. I can hear
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her sit up there if and when she talks, and
and she will be as as rational and as objective
as she can be, and you'll either buy into what
she's saying or you won't. And I understand people that won't.
H I just think this is this is one of
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those Squorely years where again Chris Batdard did so many
things that a lot of us have been saying, hey,
why don't you, you know, deviate and do this, And
he gives that the two biggest free agent contract of
his tenure, and the Sauce Gardner trade was I mean
that just that told you they thought this team was
was poised to do something special, and then your quarterback
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gets hurt, and then the backup quarterback was already hurt.
So very few teams can overcome. I understand the Niners
did this, that and the other, but they keep in
mind the Niners went when when Ron Perty got hurt,
they had Mac Jones. So that's what I was saying,
is is that when Jones gets when Daniel Jones gets hurt,
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they've got ar then then we're probably not having this discussion.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So that's fair. Let me ask you this, chap, go ahead.
Do you have siblings?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Are you? They're older or younger than you?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
A little about a year older?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
The reason I ask, for example, when I went to
high school, big jump to go from middle school to
high school, you know, especially a big school like North Central, right,
you know, oh, you're gonna get lost in the hallways
and you know, freshman put in.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Lockers, you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And I had an older sister who was a senior,
and I had a cousin that was a junior, and
there was a comfort for me knowing that I was
getting ready to go into a new venture, into a
new building, we all have that comfort in like the
older brother or the older sibling that can kind of
just look after us. Do you think that there's the
possibility that that, you know, Carl Orse Gordon going into
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this knowing, yes, I realized that she this is she's
had a full season as the primary owner here, but
as she's really going into her first full off season
of decisions and moves, may she actually see Chris Ballard
is kind of the big brother of the comfort familiarity
and a world otherwise unfamiliar, that she can kind of
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lean on here for another year or so and that
will buy him.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Time, I guess. But I again, that's gonna be a
you're gonna have Again. She's gonna have to understand that
that she will be shouting at the masses who won't
be listening to her. But that's why, and I don't well,
I think she understands that she won't be driven by
the fan base. She can't be she can't be swayed
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by well, you know, twenty five percent of the fan
base said, well bull onely, that's what we're hearing now,
And I understand it is the very, very loud minority,
and it's not a small minority that's set up with
what's going on here. It's it's it's middle ground, it's
it's they're gonna win eight or nine games again for
what the third straight year under understriking. So I yes,
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there's that comfort level, but that's a dangerous thing to
do too, is to say, well.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I'm going to lean on Chris's experts.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
That's no, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm
just saying.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Right, yeah, I guess. But but she's the one thing
that people need to understand, and I'm I know I'm
not wrong with this. This is not the first year
she's she's had the heavy hand in guy his team.
It's not you know, Jim wasn't in the best of health.
The last couple of years. She's taken on a much
much stronger role. Now, Jim always said, you know, veto
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power because it's his team. But I think the last
couple of years, I'm won't go too much farther than
two years. She's had a heavy hand in things. And
that's why when people say, oh, I wonder what her
relationship is gonna be with baalor now that well, it's
been tight. She's trust him she's believed in him. Uh,
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it's just going to be does she does she believe
that he no longer can do the rebuilding of what
of what he's had a hand in not getting done.
That's that's the thing. And when people shout that nine
years is enough, yes it is, Yes it is. And
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but but just to say he's done nothing is wrong.
You know, I'm on board that he's that he's not
been able to get a path rusher. He hasn't, Uh,
despite a lot of investment draft capital. I would argue
his best pass rushers have been free agents in Godway
and jessin Houston, Dinko Watfrey. Uh so, I just I
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just in the quarterback thing is something that yes, they
get over the shot after a year or two of luck,
and then then Doug get it fixed. And they haven't,
although it looked like they did until Jones got hurt,
because I'm telling you they were pretty good. Now we
could argue the defense, this, that and the other, but
they were getting their defense together. And oh, by the way,
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Mooney Award misses ten games with three concussions. I mean,
you don't you can't prepare for that. You lose, you
lose Buckner, who is You're, in my mind, the most
indispensable defensive player. If you told me this past game,
I could have Buckner or Sauce Carter, I'd take Buckner
as good as Sauce Gardner is. But that's why I
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say it's But the problem is they they they've they've
used up their benefit of the doubts that that's that's
the problem. The fan base is, as it should be,
frustrated and has lost tolerance. But all I'm saying is,
be careful what you wish for. If you wish for
her to nuke this place, then it's going to be
dark for three or four years.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It just is it kind of dark for three or
four years?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
It's not darkest damn, you know, darkest darkes the Jets,
and whether.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Whether it's better the Jets have four first round picks
the next two years the Colts have none.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, and not that I try. You're right, You're right.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Uh, Cleveland's had a bunch of first round picks over
the years.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And what have they done.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, we're arguing Margins, Now, is it better to be
eight and nine or three in fourteen? R? Well, I
mean it's a you're in the same spot, right, Yeah,
one's just a little bit deeper on.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
To each other for the first round, right yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Right, So but no, it's this is import and I
hope whatever she does, even if that includes nothing, if
if it's one more time, I hope she addresses it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I don't know if she will or not.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Sometimes you know, if you're not gonna get change, why
would you say you're not gonna get change. I think
jimmers they put out that missive last year on Sunday
Night that I need to do back there and look
exactly what it said, but that they we're rolling them back.
I hope she does because I think the fan base
needs to hear from her on on why. And of
course if there is a change, I'm sure she will
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address address the fan base because this is her team now.
Her nurse says, So, I don't dismiss Kaitly and Casey,
but Carly is the one that's driving the bus on
the team moves. So I think i'd go as far
as says she owes it to the team, to the
to the fan base, to say this is what we're doing,
and this is why, this is my vision of moving
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forward and and understanding that a lot of people aren't
gonna be listening to you, because as soon as you
say we're bringing them back, there gonna say, well, screw you,
I'm done, and they'll be done until they start winning,
winning more, you know, in December when it matters. So
it's going to be fascinating what she does. I could
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have argued strong prior to this season that they should
blow it up.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I could.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I can't argue quite that strongly now because I did
see I did see good things at seven and one
and eight and two, and I realized it. It was
on a lesser schedule. I understand them, but they were
blowing the doors off people. So I'm not going to
dismiss what they did at all. And the schedule got
tougher later and they would they would have had to
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bring their A game to beat teams the second half
of the season anyway, except Pittsburgh. They never win in Pittsburgh.
I'll throw that game out. But to be to be
so hamstrung with four or five key the last half
of the season, if you'd tell somebody pick these five,
four or five guys that are most important to you,
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that that's those are the ones that got hurt, you know,
the quarterback and Buck in the in the in the
in the corners, so in Brandon and Braden Smiths. So
so yeah, it's it's difficult. And I say, going back
to what I said, I hope I hope that Carly
comes out and says, and this is why we're doing
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whatever we do. I think the fan base deserves that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I just do Chap. Let's do it this way. Here,
We're gonna do a little game.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I want you to think about the teams that are
headed to the postseason, both AFC and NFC, and I'm
going to give you three names, and for each name,
I want you to tell me your level of confidence
that they will be returning as a member of the
Indianapolis Colts franchise next year. But the way you're going
to answer it is this. If I said to you,
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for example, you know somebody that there is zero chance
that they are going to then you would say, you know,
I don't know who you think has zero chance of
the postseason. But in other words, you're ranking the postseason teams, okay,
And I want you, with your answer, to tell me
your level of confidence that they're going to return based
on your level of confidence of what it would be
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for one of these teams in the postseason this year.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Really, you've really complicated things. I could answer that really
given our fifty, not so much.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Napoli's try it.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Okay, all right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So your level of confidence that Chris Ballard will return
with the Colts next year is the equivalent of what
team's postseason chances this year in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh, I shoot you doing? Uh uh?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Green Bay Okay? Okay, Shane Steichen.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Uh well, I'll make it easy Philadelphia since he's cut
sometizes there. Okayfest But I think he's back Yep, Buckner, Gosh, Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Maybe because I don't think Buckner Chap. The reason I
bring that up, I think when you talk about, for example,
and I'll just throw the name Chris Ballard out there,
when you throw Chris Ballard's name in, there are variables
on either side where you could very soundly make the
discussion as to whether he should or should not be
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here next year. And in the case of DeForest Buckner,
I don't think it's the slam dunk that he returns
and continues his career here that one would assume. I
could see very he could make very sound arguments in
his press conference if he were to retire as to
why he is walking away.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Correct, Yeah, I tell you when and I've said this
before that when you always hear the cults throw around
like he's a horseshoe guy, well, Buck's a horseshoe guy.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
He is.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
He's he's one of those that you build a bear
type of thing. This is what you come up with
when you try to build a cult at Buckner. And
he has played through so many injuries, you know, a
screwed up elbow and ankles. He's left the country twice
to get stim cell injections because that's how bad he
wants to play what he's very good at. But the
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last two times that we've talked to him at the
Colts Complex, he just hasn't had that vibrant tone to
him because he's dealing with a neck injury. You know,
he's got to herny you this in his neck that
can press on a nerve. And he was at the
complex after he first did it and he said he
couldn't do push ups.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So and that's when he was.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Talking about when it's an injury like this, you're thinking
about long term your life after football. You want to
be able to play with his whatever. He's got two
or three young kids, and that's the first time that
I can remember that Buck has been like that. And
it very much could be that he's in the midst
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of this and it's wearing his butt down. And the
worst time to make a decision is when you're in
the middle of this. You know what you do is
he's going to have the surgery. Well, I guess this
week is what change psychin told us. And then you
get away from it, and then you sit down with
the family and say, what do you think you'd make
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that decision? The probably March, because he's got a he's
got like a ten million dollar roster bonus, do I
think in March or early in the league year, So
certainly by then. But no, it's not a slam nunk
at all, uh, because when you're dealing with a guy
that's already made over one hundred million dollars and earned
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it and earned it, let's not say he just was
you know, he earned it and he's put us a
body on the line, and he's done great things in
his career. But now he doesn't have to do that.
It's does he want to do that? Does he want
to you know know what the risk are. You know,
it's one thing to rehab an achilles or a knee.
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When you start messing with the back and the spine
and all that that's in your head, you know, the
concussions with Mooney Ward, you're talking, you're talking different level
of risk. And I think that he's at the point
with the family all he has to do is go home.
You know, some of these young kids, God love him.
They go home and they're superman. They're vulnerable. They're never
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going to get hurt or they'll come back when they do.
When you go home when you're thirty something and your
kids are running hugging your leg, that gives you a
totally different perspective on your career. He's got enough money
for his for his great grandkids, so they won't be
a financial decision. It's going to be whether he is confident.
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I guess confident the surgeon and how you have confidence
in neck surgery because he gets hit every play, it
seas on the field for forty place he gets smoked
forty plays. You're right, I get winded, but I think
that I'm with you. I think that's I wouldn't say
fifty to fifty. It's probably a better chance than that
that he comes back. But it's not a slam be
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at all that the forest Bucker comes back next year.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Okay, Chap end conclusion here, Mike Chap with my guest
Joba House Peel and poor guest line. Occasionally this happens
with us. We have I don't know what it is
within the computer here where when we're talking to somebody,
their voice kind of gets sped up like they're on
a helium. Now we've had fun with this. We have
Joel ericson, we have different people doing.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Follow the other.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
What's that Joel's wait anyway?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I know, but like right now you sound so here's
the thing Chap you mentioned like build a bear earlier,
and you've got kind of a I'm not gonna lie
to you your voice right now kind of cute. Any
chance we can get you to say this is chappy bear,
Give me a hug. Just simply say that this is
chappy bearck give me a hug. Can we get you
to say that real quick.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
This is a chatty bear, give me a huck? If
me humiliating myself. I made your day than fine.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I'm telling you, Yeah, Chap, we appreciate it as always.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna hear that driving down that road. Now,
I'm just gonna here.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
No, you're gonna you're gonna hear it, drip me on
the road.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
The question is, brother, would it be chapter just out
of curiosity?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Would it be a yellow brick road? Can we get
you to say that too?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
No? No, no, I'm done. I'm done making making an
ass of myself.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I do that enough. I do that enough. Anyway.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Why I let you walk me into being that bigger ass?
I don't know, but I do.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Congratulations, all right, Chat, Happy new Year to you, to
you guys, be well, all right. Mike Chappell joining us
from CBS four w x I on Fox fifty nine
on the Java House peeling port.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Guests on.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That music should have told you everything you need to
know about our next guest, Brian Nubert, who joins us
on the jobba House peel and poor guest line. Java
house dot com is the website Jake twenty five You
get twenty five percent off for your peel in Poor
Pods and Brian had a really good article at Golden Black,
as we've talked about the world of college basketball and
the ever kind of like yesterday to today, the sweeping
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wind that comes in and changes everything Weekly Word college Basketball, Ringers,
Purdue football and basketball, and more from Brian Nubert, who
joins us on the show. Brian, when I saw the column,
I saw right there the picture of Scott Drew, and
I knew exactly what it was about. We have entered
into the wild, wild West, have we not.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I think they answered into that a long time ago,
but I think they have transcended it now by basically
taking all the rules that were already there that they
complain about, and then just blowing them all up. So
coaches have no one to blame but themselves. They have
to be the ones to just not do this. Show
some restraint here and there. Don't blame don't blame the
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rules that your presidents and your athletic directors wrote. Blame yourselves, Like.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Stop doing it.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
If you think it might not be good for college
basketball to go sign a draft pick just because you
can and not should, just don't do it, you know,
because now there's all kinds of precedent established here, all
sorts of other loopholes that have been created by this
one loophole hunting coach who I used to feel bad
for because Byu signed or bought away his best player
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last spring, but now you know it's he just he
just damaged the game. I know people will say coaches
have to do what they have to do to win,
but these guys also signed up to be college basketball
coaches and they get paid very well to do it,
and that's all they care about is protecting that. So
if this James Nase situation creates stuff like this to come,
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then you know the soul of college basketball is compromised.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
And for those unfamiliar, I can't imagine there are those.
But for those unfamiliar, what we're talking about is players
now that have been on a two way contract in
the NBA that are now eligible or deemed to be
eligible Scott Drew signing or you know, going out and
recruiting one for Baylor.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
We're seeing more. There's a player that just played scored.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think, in an NBA game that has opened up
recruiting from a college standpoint. Brian I flippantly posted this yesterday,
and I want your reaction to it, but I've mentioned
this casually over the last probably five years, but I
jokingly said, the twenty thirty thirty one NBA G League
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Alabama Crimson Tied, Arkansas Razorbacks, Baylor Bears, Ignite, IMG Academy,
Indiana Hoosiers, Kansas Jayhawks, Kentucky Wildcats, Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You get the point.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Are we headed there where eventually you're going to have
power programs that are going to secede away from the
NCAA and say, you know what, we are now aligning
ourselves within a funding and we are going to become
a G league. I know that sounds ludicrous or does it?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Just to circle back on something real quick, that James
and the James Nagy kid who signed with Baylor didn't
sign an NBA contract, So that's what that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
He was to be He was drafted and he's a
he was a foreign right drafted.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
In had grated, but he did not sign. Correct. Okay,
my apologies.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
So Trenton Flowers is the kid who is in the
G league now, who there was a report this weekend
about him getting some interest. He has played in NBA games.
He I can't imagine him possibly being eligible to play
college basketball, but that hasn't stopped schools from at least
calling to try to find out because that's the extent
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they're willing to go. But a lot of schools behind
the scenes have kind of separated themselves from that since
that first came out. Whether or not you will see,
you know, college basketball become kind of a G league
type of situation, as you kind of alluded to, I
don't know. I mean, ultimately, you're still tethered to higher
(25:08):
education as much of it, as much as that's become
a punchline here in recent years. I don't know how
these admissions offices are getting this done in a lot
of cases, but I think, you know, college basketball to
a certain extent has always been a G league because
all the one and done's. The NBA has that rule,
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not because they want those guys going to college to
benefit the colleges, but because they want those guys becoming
stars in their sport before they get to the NBA.
So there's a brand there so that people are interested
in the draft. You know, that's always been kind of
a self serving NBA rule. I don't know where this goes,
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but all the professionals coming over from Europe a lot
of whom are in their twenties, a lot of the
he's you know, fringe NBA guys who might be warming
their way into college basketball now because coaches let them in.
This is all about the coaches. This is not the
NC doable A. I think people need to understand that
the NC doable A is the coaches and is the
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university presidents. They write the rules and then their coaches
go and find ways around those rules. So when Scott
Drew comes out today and blames the NC doable A
for they're not being rules, he's talling on himself because
he's in the NABC, his university is part of the
n cluable A that forms these committees that make these rules.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
And then.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
He goes out, sees a loop, Paul takes advantage of it,
and then and then blows up all the other rules.
So who knows where this goes from here. But the
NC DOUBLEA does not move quickly as we know. So
if anybody expects there to be rules passed down tomorrow
that coaches can no longer do this sort of stuff,
(27:02):
that's just not going to happen. It's up to the
coaches to not do it and coaches can't help themselves
because they need to win, they need to protect their contracts,
and they will do whatever they have to do to
benefit them right here, right now, and not worry about
what it means for the sport that they have leaned
large in for their entire careers.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Brian.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
One of the things that most impresses me about Brian
Nibbert's my guest, Java House Peel and poor gas line
he's with Golden Black. What has most impressed me about
Matt Painter and about the Purdue basketball program is it
almost feels like they're like the last pillar of scruples
here in this And when you look at Trey Kaufman,
(27:45):
Renn and Fletcher Lawyer, you know, Braden Smith, guys that
had opportunity to go elsewhere once, particularly that they were
established at Purdue. There's a culture there. And that's such
an overused word culture right, Yes, yes, but mattar with me, yeah,
I mean, and Matt Painter has been able to go
out and say and he's he's masterful at using this
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magnifying glass to scrutinize and look over players and say
that guy has my culture. Can Purdue continue to do
that or are these guys the last sand going through
the hour glass before eventually everyone has to conform to
this new way.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Well, I don't think he's going to go to the
links that you know, Scott Drew just went to. I
don't think he's going to go to the links that
the byus of the world. You know, a lot of
the big money places are going to go to produced
players do very well financially. This isn't you know, a
situation where where Purdue has refused to acclimate to the
(28:52):
conditions on the ground. They just don't push boundaries, They
just they just play the game as the rules are written.
You could you could make a tortured argument that Scott
Drew's doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean that
what he's doing is in the best interest of the game.
Purdue has done things its way, which it would call
(29:13):
the right way. I would tend to agree with it.
I've always kind of wondered, you know, when the FBI
stuff came out, nothing came of it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Like, who's the sucker here?
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Is it the people doing it the right way or
is the people doing it the wrong way or the
or the illegal way? And I think that produce success
here the last five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten years
has kind of validated Purdue's way as an effective way.
You can still do it a certain way, and when
big I don't see that really falling off a cliff
(29:46):
after this year, when all these seniors leave Purdue, I
think they've got a pretty good thing set up, so
it's sustainable. It's just it's going to get you at
some point. It's going to get you when somebody you
don't expect to leave leaves. It's going to get you
when somebody does jump for more money. I think the
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whole discussion about Purdue keeping all these guys in school,
when people talk about that, that they completely underestimate the
fact that sometimes guys want to play where they want
to play. If they're happy at the school they're at,
making two and a half million dollars a year instead
of a million dollars a year, it's not as big
(30:30):
a deal. And I think all of these guys appreciate
that Matt Painter has been fair with them, He's been
honest with them. They can't ask for better basketball situations
because they've played it every minute they can handle since
day one at Purdue. They've never been lied to they've
they've never been promised things that weren't delivered upon, And
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that's just kind of his way of doing things. And
I'm sure a lot of coaches would say they do
the same things, and probably they don't.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
But so far, so good for.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Matt Painter in terms of doing things his way and succeeding.
I think it's endurable for the short term. We'll see
where kind of things go in the future. If this
becomes a situation where everybody's rolling out g leaguers and
finding ways to get twenty three and twenty four year
olds into school and importing new international pro teams every
(31:22):
single year like Illinois is, I don't know. We'll have
to see, but for the time being, I think producing
a pretty good spot doing it its.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Way, Okay, Brian.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Lastly, tonight obviously predude taking on Kent State. That is
kind of the last of things before you get into
and we turn the calendar into the Big ten play.
Anything in particular you're looking for there, is there anything
that you have seen or not seen so far out
of this group that you say, yeah, I still want
to see that fine tuned or are they really realistically
(31:57):
in pretty good shape and we know who they are.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, consistency.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I think the way that Purdue has defended since the
second half the Iowa State game, which was kind of
an abomination, the way Purdue's defended, the effort they've put
in to being good defensively, the connectedness they've played with defensively,
the tone Braden Smith especially has set from a defensive
standpoint has been a game changer for them. And between that,
if they maintain it all year and the rebounding piece
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of it, I think you're pretty well suited to win
on the road, and you're obviously going to have to
win a lot of road games to win the Big Ten.
And I think Purdue's got a huge advantage in the
Big Ten race given that Michigan, Michigan State, and Illinois
all come to mac here, you know only. But that's
only an advantage for Purdue if they don't take care
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of business that Wisconsin, if they don't win it Indiana,
which they should. But we've said that a lot in
recent years, and it's not always happened, you know. In
the brass all of a sudden looks like a really
tough road game. So Purdue's got to beat the people
on the road that it should be, and if it does,
then all of a sudden you're sitting here with huge
(33:09):
advantages with Michigan, Michigan State in Illinois all being one offs,
all in Macurina. And if you can protect your home
court and get at least two of those three games,
it's not all three, You're gonna win a big time.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Brian, you ever had an IQ test? You ever taken
an IQ test?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I haven't. I'd be afraid of the results.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
One hundred and forty six. That's what I'm saying for you,
one hundred and forty six. I can tell in your writing.
When I read your stuff, I think to myself, this
guy genius level and is able to put this stuff
in a place where someone like me and the Vata
mediocrity can comprehend it, which is in itself a gift. Right,
So that might be one hundred and forty eight. I'll
give you two more points for that gift.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Thank you for telling your listeners that I paid you
to say that.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
No, you didn't, You didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I'm telling you you can venmo me if you'd like,
or just get me a Java house when I'm up
in Lafayette next I always love that as.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well, Brian, I appreciate the time as always.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Got a house.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
What's happroblem? Jake.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I will happily get you a Java house anytime you're
in town.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Appreciate it. Happy New Year to you Man, you as well, Jake.
Thanks for having me man. Brian Nubert, Goldenblack dot com
Mike Chappell joins us Java House Peel and Poor Guest Line.
Java house dot com is the website. Jake twenty five
is how you can get twenty five percent off the
bundles for the Peel and Poor Pods. Chap, I'll begin
with this before we get into talking about maybe some
of the rest of the AFC. The Colts do do
have a game left. We know that seemingly meaningless in
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terms of what it means for their you know, postseason
that's done. Where do the Colts go from here?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Chap?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
In your opinion, I guess I'll begin with where do
you think they will go? What do you think Carly
Ursa Gordon ends up doing?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
If I had to put your salary on the bet.
Let me see, there's aren't There's three options, right, It's
you bring them back everybody, you blow it up, and
you bring it back with probably getting rid of Chris
moving on from Chris Powder. But those are the three
primary op You could bring back Chris and rid of
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Shange stacking, which would make no sense to me because
his taking's proven pretty good when you when you give
him stability, even with a marginal quarterback. I tell you stings,
taking getting getting Gardner Minshew a fifteen million dollar free
agent contract from the Raiders, his monster, I mean, one
play away from them. So yeah, boy, I maybe we've
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talked on this. Maybe it's just the best guys in
the in the media room. My gut says, and I'll
duck when I say this, that they're going to bring
it back. This, she'll bring it back. This is the
argument I'll make, and then I'll change my mind. But
I think Carly is going to sit there and say,
you know, when we were seven and one and eight
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and two, we were pretty damn good. I mean, we
were good, and I don't want to hear this garbage
on the social media that, well, you know they were
regressing before this, No, they were regressing. They regressed when
Daniel Jones broke his leg. He played two games of
the broken leg. Fractured, yes, fracture, break break, it's a
broken leg, and then the Achilles and that was compounded
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monsterly by Anthony Richardson not being available because of his
uh freak injury. I'm convinced that if that injury doesn't happen,
they're in the playoffs because Richardson would have done enough
and they wouldn't have bothered Philip Rivers out of retirement.
So I in what I can't get out of my
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mind too, is that I believe she was pretty much behind,
not pretty buch. I think issues behind most of the
things that Chris did in the off season, you know,
the big contracts for Ward and buying them and Jones,
you know, not so much Jones, but then that's certainly
the giving up two verse round picks for Sauce. Gardner
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told me that they were locked in on this roster now,
not just for this year, not just for this year,
but for the next few years, and that meant investing
something in the offseason in bringing Daniel Jones back, which
in my mind they still will now the dynamics have changed.
But I just think that the moves that have been made,
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and I understand, I understand the fan base is done.
They are so over nine years of two playoffs and
one win, and I understand it, and I can't talk
you off of that ledge at all. But I just
think to reset now would would be difficult because the
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year to reset is it in twenty twenty six, when
most of the guys, a lot of the really major players,
their contracts are up, you know, Buck, although who knows
if he comes back from this or needed DIC surgery.
Jonathan Taylor, Pittman, Quinton and on and on, and that
that's when it seems like is when if you're going
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to blow it up, that's when you do it. So
and could they fire Chris batter and bring in a
GM and say, by the way, here's your head coach
and your quarterback. Yes, I don't think that works very often.
They didn't work with Chris and Chuck Bagano, although they're different,
different scenarios. So I can, I can. I can hear
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her sit up there if and when she talks, and
and she will be as as rational and as objective
as she can be, and you'll either buy into what
she's saying or you won't. And I understand people that won't.
H I just think this is this is one of
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those Squorely years where again Chris Batdard did so many
things that a lot of us have been saying, hey,
why don't you, you know, deviate and do this, And
he gives that the two biggest free agent contract of
his tenure, and the Sauce Gardner trade was I mean
that just that told you they thought this team was
was poised to do something special, and then your quarterback
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gets hurt, and then the backup quarterback was already hurt.
So very few teams can overcome. I understand the Niners
did this, that and the other, but they keep in
mind the Niners went when when Ron Perty got hurt,
they had Mac Jones. So that's what I was saying,
is is that when Jones gets when Daniel Jones gets hurt,
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they've got ar then then we're probably not having this discussion.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So that's fair. Let me ask you this, chap, go ahead.
Do you have siblings?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Are you? They're older or younger than you?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
A little about a year older?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
The reason I ask, for example, when I went to
high school, big jump to go from middle school to
high school, you know, especially a big school like North Central, right,
you know, oh, you're gonna get lost in the hallways
and you know, freshman put in.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Lockers, you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And I had an older sister who was a senior,
and I had a cousin that was a junior, and
there was a comfort for me knowing that I was
getting ready to go into a new venture, into a
new building, we all have that comfort in like the
older brother or the older sibling that can kind of
just look after us. Do you think that there's the
possibility that that, you know, Carl Orse Gordon going into
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this knowing, yes, I realized that she this is she's
had a full season as the primary owner here, but
as she's really going into her first full off season
of decisions and moves, may she actually see Chris Ballard
is kind of the big brother of the comfort familiarity
and a world otherwise unfamiliar, that she can kind of
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lean on here for another year or so and that
will buy him.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Time, I guess. But I again, that's gonna be a
you're gonna have Again. She's gonna have to understand that
that she will be shouting at the masses who won't
be listening to her. But that's why, and I don't well,
I think she understands that she won't be driven by
the fan base. She can't be she can't be swayed
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by well, you know, twenty five percent of the fan
base said, well bull onely, that's what we're hearing now,
And I understand it is the very, very loud minority,
and it's not a small minority that's set up with
what's going on here. It's it's it's middle ground, it's
it's they're gonna win eight or nine games again for
what the third straight year under understriking. So I yes,
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there's that comfort level, but that's a dangerous thing to
do too, is to say, well.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I'm going to lean on Chris's experts.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
That's no, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm
just saying.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Right, yeah, I guess. But but she's the one thing
that people need to understand, and I'm I know I'm
not wrong with this. This is not the first year
she's she's had the heavy hand in guy his team.
It's not you know, Jim wasn't in the best of health.
The last couple of years. She's taken on a much
much stronger role. Now, Jim always said, you know, veto
(08:11):
power because it's his team. But I think the last
couple of years, I'm won't go too much farther than
two years. She's had a heavy hand in things. And
that's why when people say, oh, I wonder what her
relationship is gonna be with baalor now that well, it's
been tight. She's trust him she's believed in him. Uh,
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it's just going to be does she does she believe
that he no longer can do the rebuilding of what
of what he's had a hand in not getting done.
That's that's the thing. And when people shout that nine
years is enough, yes it is, Yes it is. And
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but but just to say he's done nothing is wrong.
You know, I'm on board that he's that he's not
been able to get a path rusher. He hasn't, Uh,
despite a lot of investment draft capital. I would argue
his best pass rushers have been free agents in Godway
and jessin Houston, Dinko Watfrey. Uh so, I just I
(09:17):
just in the quarterback thing is something that yes, they
get over the shot after a year or two of luck,
and then then Doug get it fixed. And they haven't,
although it looked like they did until Jones got hurt,
because I'm telling you they were pretty good. Now we
could argue the defense, this, that and the other, but
they were getting their defense together. And oh, by the way,
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Mooney Award misses ten games with three concussions. I mean,
you don't you can't prepare for that. You lose, you
lose Buckner, who is You're, in my mind, the most
indispensable defensive player. If you told me this past game,
I could have Buckner or Sauce Carter, I'd take Buckner
as good as Sauce Gardner is. But that's why I
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say it's But the problem is they they they've they've
used up their benefit of the doubts that that's that's
the problem. The fan base is, as it should be,
frustrated and has lost tolerance. But all I'm saying is,
be careful what you wish for. If you wish for
her to nuke this place, then it's going to be
dark for three or four years.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It just is it kind of dark for three or
four years?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
It's not darkest damn, you know, darkest darkes the Jets,
and whether.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Whether it's better the Jets have four first round picks
the next two years the Colts have none.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, and not that I try. You're right, You're right.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Uh, Cleveland's had a bunch of first round picks over
the years.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And what have they done.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, we're arguing Margins, Now, is it better to be
eight and nine or three in fourteen? R? Well, I
mean it's a you're in the same spot, right, Yeah,
one's just a little bit deeper on.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
To each other for the first round, right yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Right, So but no, it's this is import and I
hope whatever she does, even if that includes nothing, if
if it's one more time, I hope she addresses it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I don't know if she will or not.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Sometimes you know, if you're not gonna get change, why
would you say you're not gonna get change. I think
jimmers they put out that missive last year on Sunday
Night that I need to do back there and look
exactly what it said, but that they we're rolling them back.
I hope she does because I think the fan base
needs to hear from her on on why. And of
course if there is a change, I'm sure she will
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address address the fan base because this is her team now.
Her nurse says, So, I don't dismiss Kaitly and Casey,
but Carly is the one that's driving the bus on
the team moves. So I think i'd go as far
as says she owes it to the team, to the
to the fan base, to say this is what we're doing,
and this is why, this is my vision of moving
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forward and and understanding that a lot of people aren't
gonna be listening to you, because as soon as you
say we're bringing them back, there gonna say, well, screw you,
I'm done, and they'll be done until they start winning,
winning more, you know, in December when it matters. So
it's going to be fascinating what she does. I could
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have argued strong prior to this season that they should
blow it up.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I could.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I can't argue quite that strongly now because I did
see I did see good things at seven and one
and eight and two, and I realized it. It was
on a lesser schedule. I understand them, but they were
blowing the doors off people. So I'm not going to
dismiss what they did at all. And the schedule got
tougher later and they would they would have had to
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bring their A game to beat teams the second half
of the season anyway, except Pittsburgh. They never win in Pittsburgh.
I'll throw that game out. But to be to be
so hamstrung with four or five key the last half
of the season, if you'd tell somebody pick these five,
four or five guys that are most important to you,
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that that's those are the ones that got hurt, you know,
the quarterback and Buck in the in the in the
in the corners, so in Brandon and Braden Smiths. So
so yeah, it's it's difficult. And I say, going back
to what I said, I hope I hope that Carly
comes out and says, and this is why we're doing
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whatever we do. I think the fan base deserves that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I just do Chap. Let's do it this way. Here,
We're gonna do a little game.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I want you to think about the teams that are
headed to the postseason, both AFC and NFC, and I'm
going to give you three names, and for each name,
I want you to tell me your level of confidence
that they will be returning as a member of the
Indianapolis Colts franchise next year. But the way you're going
to answer it is this. If I said to you,
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for example, you know somebody that there is zero chance
that they are going to then you would say, you know,
I don't know who you think has zero chance of
the postseason. But in other words, you're ranking the postseason teams, okay,
And I want you, with your answer, to tell me
your level of confidence that they're going to return based
on your level of confidence of what it would be
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for one of these teams in the postseason this year.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Really, you've really complicated things. I could answer that really
given our fifty, not so much.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Napoli's try it.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Okay, all right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So your level of confidence that Chris Ballard will return
with the Colts next year is the equivalent of what
team's postseason chances this year in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Oh, I shoot you doing? Uh uh?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Green Bay Okay? Okay, Shane Steichen.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Uh well, I'll make it easy Philadelphia since he's cut
sometizes there. Okayfest But I think he's back Yep, Buckner, Gosh, Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Maybe because I don't think Buckner Chap. The reason I
bring that up, I think when you talk about, for example,
and I'll just throw the name Chris Ballard out there,
when you throw Chris Ballard's name in, there are variables
on either side where you could very soundly make the
discussion as to whether he should or should not be
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here next year. And in the case of DeForest Buckner,
I don't think it's the slam dunk that he returns
and continues his career here that one would assume. I
could see very he could make very sound arguments in
his press conference if he were to retire as to
why he is walking away.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Correct, Yeah, I tell you when and I've said this
before that when you always hear the cults throw around
like he's a horseshoe guy, well, Buck's a horseshoe guy.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
He is.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
He's he's one of those that you build a bear
type of thing. This is what you come up with
when you try to build a cult at Buckner. And
he has played through so many injuries, you know, a
screwed up elbow and ankles. He's left the country twice
to get stim cell injections because that's how bad he
wants to play what he's very good at. But the
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last two times that we've talked to him at the
Colts Complex, he just hasn't had that vibrant tone to
him because he's dealing with a neck injury. You know,
he's got to herny you this in his neck that
can press on a nerve. And he was at the
complex after he first did it and he said he
couldn't do push ups.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So and that's when he was.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Talking about when it's an injury like this, you're thinking
about long term your life after football. You want to
be able to play with his whatever. He's got two
or three young kids, and that's the first time that
I can remember that Buck has been like that. And
it very much could be that he's in the midst
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of this and it's wearing his butt down. And the
worst time to make a decision is when you're in
the middle of this. You know what you do is
he's going to have the surgery. Well, I guess this
week is what change psychin told us. And then you
get away from it, and then you sit down with
the family and say, what do you think you'd make
(17:27):
that decision? The probably March, because he's got a he's
got like a ten million dollar roster bonus, do I
think in March or early in the league year, So
certainly by then. But no, it's not a slam nunk
at all, uh, because when you're dealing with a guy
that's already made over one hundred million dollars and earned
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it and earned it, let's not say he just was
you know, he earned it and he's put us a
body on the line, and he's done great things in
his career. But now he doesn't have to do that.
It's does he want to do that? Does he want
to you know know what the risk are. You know,
it's one thing to rehab an achilles or a knee.
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When you start messing with the back and the spine
and all that that's in your head, you know, the
concussions with Mooney Ward, you're talking, you're talking different level
of risk. And I think that he's at the point
with the family all he has to do is go home.
You know, some of these young kids, God love him.
They go home and they're superman. They're vulnerable. They're never
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going to get hurt or they'll come back when they do.
When you go home when you're thirty something and your
kids are running hugging your leg, that gives you a
totally different perspective on your career. He's got enough money
for his for his great grandkids, so they won't be
a financial decision. It's going to be whether he is confident.
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I guess confident the surgeon and how you have confidence
in neck surgery because he gets hit every play, it
seas on the field for forty place he gets smoked
forty plays. You're right, I get winded, but I think
that I'm with you. I think that's I wouldn't say
fifty to fifty. It's probably a better chance than that
that he comes back. But it's not a slam be
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at all that the forest Bucker comes back next year.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Okay, Chap end conclusion here, Mike Chap with my guest
Joba House Peel and poor guest line. Occasionally this happens
with us. We have I don't know what it is
within the computer here where when we're talking to somebody,
their voice kind of gets sped up like they're on
a helium. Now we've had fun with this. We have
Joel ericson, we have different people doing.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Follow the other.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
What's that Joel's wait anyway?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I know, but like right now you sound so here's
the thing Chap you mentioned like build a bear earlier,
and you've got kind of a I'm not gonna lie
to you your voice right now kind of cute. Any
chance we can get you to say this is chappy bear,
Give me a hug. Just simply say that this is
chappy bearck give me a hug. Can we get you
to say that real quick.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
This is a chatty bear, give me a huck? If
me humiliating myself. I made your day than fine.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I'm telling you, Yeah, Chap, we appreciate it as always.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna hear that driving down that road. Now,
I'm just gonna here.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
No, you're gonna you're gonna hear it, drip me on
the road.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
The question is, brother, would it be chapter just out
of curiosity?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Would it be a yellow brick road? Can we get
you to say that too?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
No? No, no, I'm done. I'm done making making an
ass of myself.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I do that enough. I do that enough. Anyway.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Why I let you walk me into being that bigger ass?
I don't know, but I do.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Congratulations, all right, Chat, Happy new Year to you, to
you guys, be well, all right. Mike Chappell joining us
from CBS four w x I on Fox fifty nine
on the Java House peeling port.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Guests on.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That music should have told you everything you need to
know about our next guest, Brian Nubert, who joins us
on the jobba House peel and poor guest line. Java
house dot com is the website Jake twenty five You
get twenty five percent off for your peel in Poor
Pods and Brian had a really good article at Golden Black,
as we've talked about the world of college basketball and
the ever kind of like yesterday to today, the sweeping
(21:18):
wind that comes in and changes everything Weekly Word college Basketball, Ringers,
Purdue football and basketball, and more from Brian Nubert, who
joins us on the show. Brian, when I saw the column,
I saw right there the picture of Scott Drew, and
I knew exactly what it was about. We have entered
into the wild, wild West, have we not.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I think they answered into that a long time ago,
but I think they have transcended it now by basically
taking all the rules that were already there that they
complain about, and then just blowing them all up. So
coaches have no one to blame but themselves. They have
to be the ones to just not do this. Show
some restraint here and there. Don't blame don't blame the
(22:01):
rules that your presidents and your athletic directors wrote. Blame yourselves, Like.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Stop doing it.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
If you think it might not be good for college
basketball to go sign a draft pick just because you
can and not should, just don't do it, you know,
because now there's all kinds of precedent established here, all
sorts of other loopholes that have been created by this
one loophole hunting coach who I used to feel bad
for because Byu signed or bought away his best player
(22:31):
last spring, but now you know it's he just he
just damaged the game. I know people will say coaches
have to do what they have to do to win,
but these guys also signed up to be college basketball
coaches and they get paid very well to do it,
and that's all they care about is protecting that. So
if this James Nase situation creates stuff like this to come,
(22:55):
then you know the soul of college basketball is compromised.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
And for those unfamiliar, I can't imagine there are those.
But for those unfamiliar, what we're talking about is players
now that have been on a two way contract in
the NBA that are now eligible or deemed to be
eligible Scott Drew signing or you know, going out and
recruiting one for Baylor.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
We're seeing more. There's a player that just played scored.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think, in an NBA game that has opened up
recruiting from a college standpoint. Brian I flippantly posted this yesterday,
and I want your reaction to it, but I've mentioned
this casually over the last probably five years, but I
jokingly said, the twenty thirty thirty one NBA G League
(23:39):
Alabama Crimson Tied, Arkansas Razorbacks, Baylor Bears, Ignite, IMG Academy,
Indiana Hoosiers, Kansas Jayhawks, Kentucky Wildcats, Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You get the point.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Are we headed there where eventually you're going to have
power programs that are going to secede away from the
NCAA and say, you know what, we are now aligning
ourselves within a funding and we are going to become
a G league. I know that sounds ludicrous or does it?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Just to circle back on something real quick, that James
and the James Nagy kid who signed with Baylor didn't
sign an NBA contract, So that's what that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
He was to be He was drafted and he's a
he was a foreign right drafted.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
In had grated, but he did not sign. Correct. Okay,
my apologies.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
So Trenton Flowers is the kid who is in the
G league now, who there was a report this weekend
about him getting some interest. He has played in NBA games.
He I can't imagine him possibly being eligible to play
college basketball, but that hasn't stopped schools from at least
calling to try to find out because that's the extent
(24:46):
they're willing to go. But a lot of schools behind
the scenes have kind of separated themselves from that since
that first came out. Whether or not you will see,
you know, college basketball become kind of a G league
type of situation, as you kind of alluded to, I
don't know. I mean, ultimately, you're still tethered to higher
(25:08):
education as much of it, as much as that's become
a punchline here in recent years. I don't know how
these admissions offices are getting this done in a lot
of cases, but I think, you know, college basketball to
a certain extent has always been a G league because
all the one and done's. The NBA has that rule,
(25:30):
not because they want those guys going to college to
benefit the colleges, but because they want those guys becoming
stars in their sport before they get to the NBA.
So there's a brand there so that people are interested
in the draft. You know, that's always been kind of
a self serving NBA rule. I don't know where this goes,
(25:53):
but all the professionals coming over from Europe a lot
of whom are in their twenties, a lot of the
he's you know, fringe NBA guys who might be warming
their way into college basketball now because coaches let them in.
This is all about the coaches. This is not the
NC doable A. I think people need to understand that
the NC doable A is the coaches and is the
(26:16):
university presidents. They write the rules and then their coaches
go and find ways around those rules. So when Scott
Drew comes out today and blames the NC doable A
for they're not being rules, he's talling on himself because
he's in the NABC, his university is part of the
n cluable A that forms these committees that make these rules.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
And then.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
He goes out, sees a loop, Paul takes advantage of it,
and then and then blows up all the other rules.
So who knows where this goes from here. But the
NC DOUBLEA does not move quickly as we know. So
if anybody expects there to be rules passed down tomorrow
that coaches can no longer do this sort of stuff,
(27:02):
that's just not going to happen. It's up to the
coaches to not do it and coaches can't help themselves
because they need to win, they need to protect their contracts,
and they will do whatever they have to do to
benefit them right here, right now, and not worry about
what it means for the sport that they have leaned
large in for their entire careers.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Brian.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
One of the things that most impresses me about Brian
Nibbert's my guest, Java House Peel and poor gas line
he's with Golden Black. What has most impressed me about
Matt Painter and about the Purdue basketball program is it
almost feels like they're like the last pillar of scruples
here in this And when you look at Trey Kaufman,
(27:45):
Renn and Fletcher Lawyer, you know, Braden Smith, guys that
had opportunity to go elsewhere once, particularly that they were
established at Purdue. There's a culture there. And that's such
an overused word culture right, Yes, yes, but mattar with me, yeah,
I mean, and Matt Painter has been able to go
out and say and he's he's masterful at using this
(28:08):
magnifying glass to scrutinize and look over players and say
that guy has my culture. Can Purdue continue to do
that or are these guys the last sand going through
the hour glass before eventually everyone has to conform to
this new way.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Well, I don't think he's going to go to the
links that you know, Scott Drew just went to. I
don't think he's going to go to the links that
the byus of the world. You know, a lot of
the big money places are going to go to produced
players do very well financially. This isn't you know, a
situation where where Purdue has refused to acclimate to the
(28:52):
conditions on the ground. They just don't push boundaries, They
just they just play the game as the rules are written.
You could you could make a tortured argument that Scott
Drew's doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean that
what he's doing is in the best interest of the game.
Purdue has done things its way, which it would call
(29:13):
the right way. I would tend to agree with it.
I've always kind of wondered, you know, when the FBI
stuff came out, nothing came of it.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Like, who's the sucker here?
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Is it the people doing it the right way or
is the people doing it the wrong way or the
or the illegal way? And I think that produce success
here the last five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten years
has kind of validated Purdue's way as an effective way.
You can still do it a certain way, and when
big I don't see that really falling off a cliff
(29:46):
after this year, when all these seniors leave Purdue, I
think they've got a pretty good thing set up, so
it's sustainable. It's just it's going to get you at
some point. It's going to get you when somebody you
don't expect to leave leaves. It's going to get you
when somebody does jump for more money. I think the
(30:08):
whole discussion about Purdue keeping all these guys in school,
when people talk about that, that they completely underestimate the
fact that sometimes guys want to play where they want
to play. If they're happy at the school they're at,
making two and a half million dollars a year instead
of a million dollars a year, it's not as big
(30:30):
a deal. And I think all of these guys appreciate
that Matt Painter has been fair with them, He's been
honest with them. They can't ask for better basketball situations
because they've played it every minute they can handle since
day one at Purdue. They've never been lied to they've
they've never been promised things that weren't delivered upon, And
(30:52):
that's just kind of his way of doing things. And
I'm sure a lot of coaches would say they do
the same things, and probably they don't.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
But so far, so good for.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Matt Painter in terms of doing things his way and succeeding.
I think it's endurable for the short term. We'll see
where kind of things go in the future. If this
becomes a situation where everybody's rolling out g leaguers and
finding ways to get twenty three and twenty four year
olds into school and importing new international pro teams every
(31:22):
single year like Illinois is, I don't know. We'll have
to see, but for the time being, I think producing
a pretty good spot doing it its.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Way, Okay, Brian.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Lastly, tonight obviously predude taking on Kent State. That is
kind of the last of things before you get into
and we turn the calendar into the Big ten play.
Anything in particular you're looking for there, is there anything
that you have seen or not seen so far out
of this group that you say, yeah, I still want
to see that fine tuned or are they really realistically
(31:57):
in pretty good shape and we know who they are.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, consistency.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I think the way that Purdue has defended since the
second half the Iowa State game, which was kind of
an abomination, the way Purdue's defended, the effort they've put
in to being good defensively, the connectedness they've played with defensively,
the tone Braden Smith especially has set from a defensive
standpoint has been a game changer for them. And between that,
if they maintain it all year and the rebounding piece
(32:26):
of it, I think you're pretty well suited to win
on the road, and you're obviously going to have to
win a lot of road games to win the Big Ten.
And I think Purdue's got a huge advantage in the
Big Ten race given that Michigan, Michigan State, and Illinois
all come to mac here, you know only. But that's
only an advantage for Purdue if they don't take care
(32:49):
of business that Wisconsin, if they don't win it Indiana,
which they should. But we've said that a lot in
recent years, and it's not always happened, you know. In
the brass all of a sudden looks like a really
tough road game. So Purdue's got to beat the people
on the road that it should be, and if it does,
then all of a sudden you're sitting here with huge
(33:09):
advantages with Michigan, Michigan State in Illinois all being one offs,
all in Macurina. And if you can protect your home
court and get at least two of those three games,
it's not all three, You're gonna win a big time.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Brian, you ever had an IQ test? You ever taken
an IQ test?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I haven't. I'd be afraid of the results.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
One hundred and forty six. That's what I'm saying for you,
one hundred and forty six. I can tell in your writing.
When I read your stuff, I think to myself, this
guy genius level and is able to put this stuff
in a place where someone like me and the Vata
mediocrity can comprehend it, which is in itself a gift. Right,
So that might be one hundred and forty eight. I'll
give you two more points for that gift.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Thank you for telling your listeners that I paid you
to say that.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
No, you didn't, You didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I'm telling you you can venmo me if you'd like,
or just get me a Java house when I'm up
in Lafayette next I always love that as.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well, Brian, I appreciate the time as always.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Got a house.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
What's happroblem? Jake.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I will happily get you a Java house anytime you're
in town.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Appreciate it. Happy New Year to you Man, you as well, Jake.
Thanks for having me man. Brian Nubert, Goldenblack dot com
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