December 17, 2025 • 50 mins
00:00-20:07 – Fever superstar Caitlin Clark played basketball over the weekend, and the Fever coach Stephanie White joins the show to talk about it! She details the FIBA World Cup training camp, then talks about all things basketball.
20:07-31:13 – Sports Injury Expert Ralph Reiff of ralphreiff.com joins to talk about all of the injury issues going on in sports right now- starting with the season-ending ACL-LCL tear that Chiefs superstar Patrick Mahomes suffered over the weekend. They dive into what Bernhard Raimman suffered over the weekend and what an elbow injury can do to a player- and talk more about DeForest Buckner’s back injury.
31:13-50:20 – Joel A. Erickson, a Colts beat writer on The IndyStar joins to talk about all things Colts/49ers. What is going on with Bernhard Raimman? Why does Anthony Richardson need all the time in the world to ramp up but 44-year-old Philip Rivers only needs 6 days.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When Stephanie White was kind enough to join us over
the course of the WNBA season, we would take her
musical requests each and every week, and it was Kenny
Chesney at one point. I think we went Hoody and
the Blowfish at one point. I don't think we ever
did two live crew. But then I asked her what
she wanted for this and that. So she picks the
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song that instantly makes you feel like you're walking through
any mall in nineteen ninety five, right, and most people
say that's the most annoying Christmas song of all time.
I gotta admit catchy. Don't you think it's catchy?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Nathaniel, it's catchy. You know she's our only guest that
gets to pick their re entry.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I know that's that's what she's earned that right. She
joins us now in the Java House Peel and Poor
Guest line. She is the head coach of the Indiana Fever.
Amongst her broadcast duties with basketball as well a Stephanie
White joining us Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Stephanie Mery Christmas.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So you like the song or you just it's become
so ubiquitous in the American culture, you decided to go
with it because we're a week away.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I love this song. I love this song.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'm in fact when we're the first song that's played
when we're decorating the Christmas tree the day after the
Thanksgiving is that song.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's iconic.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, and that's fair. Now what's the second one? What's okay?
Let me ask us what's give me the Christmas carol?
Of the Christmas Carols the wrong word, but the recorded
Christmas song that other people like that You're like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, you know what.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I love Christmas music, so there's probably not one that
I would say no, I don't like so big. I'm
a big Christmas music fan. If I could start Christmas
music after Halloween, I would.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Okay, I'm cool with that. I you know the one
that I like.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And you tell me if you consider this a Christmas song,
I mean it kind of is, but it's more Christmas
was and that is do they know it's Christmas? By
band Aid, which obviously was a fundraiser in nineteen eighty
five trying to raise money for you know, feed the World.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You know the song, right?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I don't know the song? Yeah, I have to find
that song play it at some point.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, Nathaniel find do they know it's Christmas by band aid?
You'll know when you hear it. I'm just to terrible.
I'm introducing it in a terrible way. All right, let's
begin with this. When I asked if you could come
on because we have a number of things I want
to get to, you mentioned that you had a flight today,
and I was going to guess your flight. And then
I looked, and I cheated a little bit because I
know you were just in Raleigh, North Carolina. Correct, I
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was and is, So I'm going to guess that you
were flying. But then again, so I think most people
know this that you don't you spend your off season
outside of Indiana, right, But that would have only been
like an hour flight, So I'm going to guess that
you were not flying from Raleigh. I'm going to say
that you are taking advantage of a little bit of
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downtime in basketball, and you are enjoying the warm weather
for a few days, and you're in Florida.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
No, that's not right.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I was actually flying home to Nashville from New York
from an event last night. So yeah, I'm popping around
right now.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Nothing wrong with that, all right, let's begin with this.
The involvement and the reason that you were in Raleigh. Okay,
the US women's team, if I'm not mistaken, and totally
feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, is getting
ready for the FEEBA Women's Basketball Championships of twenty six
that includes Kaitland Clark, and you are part of that
group that is coaching and overseeing it. Now fill in
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the blanks where I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, I know, you're right.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I mean it's a it's a group that's that had
her first mini camp of the cycle. We'll have another
one in the spring, most likely at the final four.
A lot of new young players. Of course, Kitland Clark
was one of those. E Leah Boston was there as well.
Kelsey Mitchell was an invite but didn't get to go
because of a family obligation. But she'll certainly be in
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the pool as well. So are in Indiana Fever represented.
And these are women who are who are vying for
a spot on the senior national team for the Feeble
World Cup and for the Olympics, the twenty twenty Olympics.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Now, now step down. I'm gonna be honest with you.
And we had this happen yesterday. It happened to Scott Agnes,
so blame him and Don Fisher. Also, this happened to
we somehow our system speeds up a little bit what
you're saying. So I want people to know you're not
actually on helium, right, I mean like your your That's
what it sounded like again, huh so so you know
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I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
You sound a little like Lynn Dunn if you really
want to know.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
This, no ide, come on, no, very super energetic right
Lyndn Dunn's Lynn done? Is She's like the Java house
peeling poor coffee. Right, She's instant energy. She's like the
Wrangler energy.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I like it, right, Yes, yes she is.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Okay, you sound a little so not Southern drawlly. But
do you mind selling here if we because I do
want your perspectives? Do you mind sounding a little helium
e here? Are you willing to wade through that?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Sure? I'm willing to do that. Okay, Thanks for you, Jake, just.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
For you, Thank you. Well, Merry Christmas to me?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right Okay, So I do want to get to this
because you know, for Caitlin Clark, for example, when you know,
when when you have a player that coming off injury
or that was injured, and then you start to get
into those conversations in today's basketball world of you know,
just to wear and tear. But at the same time,
the benefit of being able to play different with different style,
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with different teammates and obviously representing the United States that
goes without saying, but is there some potential I hate
to use the word drawback that can come with the
non stop playing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I mean, of course there's there's drawback that can come
with non stop playing. I mean, we've got women in
our league who have been playing essentially twelve months of
the year their entire careers, So there can be you know,
I think for somebody specific to Caitlin, you know, being
able to play now, is it's something that she desperately.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Wants to need.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
She hasn't really played for a long time, and you know,
working her way back and preparing herself for this training camp,
she's it's been a grind and it's not easy, and
she's done an excellent job and I thought she was
really ready to go.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
She looked good in training camp.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
But I think that the most important thing is for
her is getting reps, you know, and then you've got
players who played twelve months out of the year in
the various leagues and overseas, and you've got players who don't.
And in the off season when you don't play, then
you've got to find a way to get games.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And we all know like pickup games.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Isn't it right like to try to find find your
rhythm and your timing and get all of that stuff back.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Do you you've had a chance now, Stephanie, to to
really you know, it was a it was an impressive
run that you guys had, and I know that you know,
without Kaitlyn Clark, there was that question that kind of
lingered over the course of the year. There were you know,
you had made some comments about how you felt about
Caitlin Clark kind of being in the middle of you know,
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a pawn I think is the word you used of
just you know, some of the different marketing aspects and
you know, being the face of a league really and
so there was so much going on at the end
of the season for the Indiana Fever in for you
and I know you're busy with other things, but did
you really get a chance now to sit back and
kind of go over and process and absorb what it
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was that you guys accomplished.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think you can get a chance
to to really look back and see all of the
adversity that we went through from the beginning of the
year to the end of the year, and you know,
the special group that we had that positioned us to
be right there to go to the w NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You know, I think it's it's.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's from an outside perspective, all the all the people
that I get to.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Talked to talk about how how remarkable it was.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But from being on the inside, it's just it's it's
next player up, and it's how do we position ourselves?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
How do we get creative enough.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
To be a team that can compete and be the
be the best version of what we have? And you know,
there was never a doubt in terms of belief that
we could still get there and do it. And and
there was never a moment where anyone, you know, hesitated.
It was just what do we need to do, how
do we need to get there? And let's put ourselves
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in position to be successful. And so yes, you look
back on and it's like, holy cow, we went through
all of that and still we're twenty seconds away from
the WNBA finals.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
When you look Stephanie at moving forward now and getting
the chance to watch Caitlin Clark with different players for
a different team and the international standpoint here, will that
give you a couple of things that you can kind
of put in the arsenal as you work her back
in with the fever of maybe glimpses of stylistically or
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schematically areas where you can take advantage of her skill set.
Are you constantly looking for new ways of that and
could this introduce that to both you and Kaitlin?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I mean we're always constantly looking for ways to
do that, whether it's you know, through those experiences or
games that we're watching on television, there are certainly those opportunities.
I think the thing that's unique is that most people
don't quite stand about the USA Basketball experience is that,
you know, for day basketball, you're talking about having the
twelve best players you know that are going to make
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make the best team to compete for a gold medal,
and there are very few players who go through the
USA Basketball experience that are that are allowed to quote
unquote be themselves right so that they're the same version
of player that they are with their teams in the
w n B A because you're sacrificing playing with all
of these other great players, and you're playing FEVA rules
which are different than w NBA rules which are different.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
So so I think that in the experience of USA basketball,
you play a different role. Every single player plays a
different role. And so to watch Caitlin ab you know,
playing a different role, taking on you know, different different
ownership levels of that role. Is it's cool because you
can see, Okay, all right, like, look we can maybe
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we can adjust and and do this out of this
time out or or in the situation. Look, they're always
going to be who they are for our team, But
how can we add little nuances, uh, to be able
to gain advantage?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think is important.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Do you find Stephanie Stephanie White's my guest, Java House
Peel and poor guest line. Does seeing the game through
coaching help you with broadcasting or does seeing the game
as a broadcaster more help you as a coach.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's both, you know, it really is.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
And I and when I was at Vanderbilding College coaching,
one of the things that I missed the most was
being able to have.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That macro and micro view.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I feel like broadcasting and coaching it evens me out
so I can I can give the viewer a behind
the scenes look at at strategy and and and and
and the micro that goes into to the game, and
and and subtleties that go into the game, and nuance
that goes into the game. But when I come back
to trading camp every year, I've seen the macro view.
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You know, I talk to coaches all the time and
it's like, oh my gosh, like you are doing your
team is doing this, this and this really well, or
they're doing this, this, this and.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, and it's like, yeah, but we're not doing this,
this is this and this right, That's this is what
coaches do.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
This is our job is to find every weakness that
we have and try to eliminate it. And so it
gives me a different perspective. So when I come in,
I have a big picture of view. I have a
view of Okay, well we might be limited here, but
what are we doing well that we can accentuate. And
then every year I come into the fall and I'm
more in the in the in the micro viewpoint, more
in the tunnels aspect, more in the details and the
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and the nitty gritty of the coaching mind. So I
feel like it balances out for me. It helps me
be better in both areas, and I hope that it
gives the viewer a good perspective when I'm calling a game,
and I hope that it gives gives our players a
good perspective when I come back in the spring.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Will it be a challenge to reacclimate Caitlin Clark to
just the fever roster? I mean there was you know,
obviously you guys had so much and it was remarkable.
I mean, it truly was a credit to the women
on your team. As you mentioned, you know, everyone's stepping
up and not knowing what the role was going to
be from one week to the next. Really, but will
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it be a challenge to reacclimate both Caitlyn Clark to
her teammates and her teammates to Caitlin Clark after what
was accomplished.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I don't know if it's a challenge after what was
accomplished as opposed to just a challenge of reintegrating a
player that has so much gravity, you know, to your team.
You know, you get used to playing with a group
that plays a certain way, and then you bring a
player who's going to have the ball in her hands
every possession down the floor, and you play differently. So
I think that and we saw that at various points
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throughout the season when she was in and out. So
so I don't think that's going to be the challenge.
I think the challenge for us as a whole is
going to be, what does our roster makeup look like?
I mean, outside of four players, everybody's a free agent.
Ninety five or ninety six percent of the league is
a free agent this year, something crazy like that. So
what is it going to look like? What are a
roster's going to look like? How will once we get
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a deal with the CBA, how will that impact who
we're able to bring in and how we want to play?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Where do things stand right now with the Collective Bargaining Agreement?
I know that it's been the timeline of that has moved, right.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yes, yeah, the timeline of a we've we've extended the
negotiating windows.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
And that in terms of and I don't know how
much you can even say about it, maybe maybe it's
none whatsoever, But you know that challenge if you will
of not knowing where things stand.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
How difficult is that.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It's it's challenging.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
You know, I'm thankful I'm not Amber Cox right now
our GM and you're having to try to guess what
might happen and what might not. But it's challenging because
the unknown. It's challenging because the timeline has changed. You know,
for for us, we typically knew when free agency was
going to open up, when the expansion Draft was going
to happen, when we could sign free agents, and then
you build into the draft. So the timeline has changed.
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It's going to be shortened, you know, when when gets
made and it's it's it's going to be, you know,
a rat race. So it's just it's gonna be it's
gonna be fast and furious and trying to make decisions,
trying to figure out who you can fit into whatever
the new salary cap is going to be. And so
I think it's it's it's challenging, but it's also a
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necessary part of the business. You know, we've seen every
professional league go through this. You know, certainly we'd love
for it to be seamless, and but it's it's not seamless,
and and it's just the hand that we're dealt and
we got to play it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I thought I saw a headline and you tell me
if it was clickbait that you had recently done an
interview coming off of the experience with Team USA, and
it said like Stephanie White says Asia Wilson is the
best player in the world, And I thought, well, she
coaches Caitlin Clark, who's pretty darn good. And I know
you have great respect for all great players. Was that
a clickbait headline or did you say it that overtly?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I think that that might have been clickick bait, but
I but I do think that Asia will is one
of the best players in the world, There's no doubt
about that.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
The when you see different great players and you get
it is it is it refreshing, I guess too, and
fun to be able to get involved with and kind
of get a glimpse inside of the greatness of players
that you normally would not on a day to day.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Be working with.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It really is, you know, to be in the gym
with with players to see how they work, see how
they operate, to to be able to put them in
different positions. It's it's it's awesome and you know.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
You learn too.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I learned, you know, how how different players number one prepare, uh,
you know, And it's it's when whenever we're talking about
young players, especially young players, can learn from the veterans.
You know, who's the first one in the gym, what
have they been doing, you know, in the weight room
prior to what are they doing in the weight room?
You know, right after I'll never forget my first Team
USA experience last year.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
You know, Jackie Young was an example.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I was in the gym earlier in the morning at
the hotel getting a workout in. She was in there
in the gym getting a workout in, and then right after,
you know, a two and a half hour practice, she's
in the weight room at the at the facility doing
the versa climber. I mean, it's just it's how you
work and how you prepare and you know, how you
keep your body ready. And I think for a lot
of young players, learning how to be a pro is challenging,
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right because you can't do the same level of things
that you were doing in college. It requires a different version,
It requires a different attention to detail, it requires more.
I mean, you know the stories about Lebron James and
how early he's at the gym on a game today,
you know, are well renowned. So learning that I think
is important for me. Learning you know, how players like
to warm up, what are the different drills that they
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like to do, being able to apply some of that,
what are they like in game? What kind of situations
can we continue to challenge and stretch our players based
on what I'm learning from these other players, and then
to just marvel in their greatness. I mean, you know,
just just being out there and watching them the best
in the world, do what they do best, and and
just the joy that that brings.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know, a basketball that like.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Me, Stephanie, I want to ask you, and we have
this song by the way, I'm going to see on
the way out if you know, do they know as
Christmas by Bandaid? But before we do that, I wanted
to give you this opportunity you mentioned, you know, just
seeing examples right when I was For example, when I
was in high school as a freshman, I'll never forget
that there were two varsity players. I was a freshman
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player and kind of a fringe player, right, and there
were two guys that were on the varsity team, Todd
Geyer and Tony Barbie, okay, and they were like kind
of star players, and they they kind of took me
under their wing of you know, hey, kid, like here's
what you do and giving me a ride home after
practice and those things. But it made me feel like,
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in fact, I belonged. It made me feel like I
was part of the team. And to have the endorsement
of those guys was so big for me as a
young player. Who was the player or whether it be
a player or just an older person in the neighborhood,
whoever it might be, who was that for you at
a young age where before you realized the greatness that
was within you, you realized that somebody else made you
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feel like you belonged.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Wow, you know, I don't think as a young person
I had that, You know, there weren't there weren't a
lot of well, number one, when I was when I
was young, there weren't a lot of female basketball role
models that were visible right that I that I that
I saw. You know. I used to go play at
the old West leven And gym with what I called
the old guys at the time, which they're probably younger
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than I am right now. When I was exactly yeah,
and they and they taught me how to play the
game right, like throwing in front of somebody when they're
running to the rim, not where they are or they're
going to starting to anticipate, you know, defenses, starting to
anticipate actions.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know, they taught me all of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
You know, I would say when I beg college, Stacey
who was who was a senior on team when I
was a freshman with someone who just kind of, you know,
helped me navigate the adjustment to college life. You know,
everything from from finding the the the doctor's appointments that
they didn't handhold us like they do now, right, you
don't have everything kind of set up for you, to
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navigating study to study tables and and and all of
those things.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And then and then when I was a pro, it
was watching Don Staley as as a rookie. I was
a rookie and she was she had been a pro
for a long time. We were on the same team
in Charlotte. It was watching her and how she works
and and you know, Vicky Bullet calls me my first
day in Charlotte it's like, Hey, we're going to the gym,
let's go. You know, those guys who had been around
and who had been pros showing me what it means
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to be.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
To be a pro. You don't wait till the first
day of training camp.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
If you're there three days Earli, you're getting in the
gym and you're getting your work in and you know
those guys helping me understand what it means to prepare
and be a pro.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Okay, lastly, because it dropped out for just a second,
give me the name of the Purdue player again when
you first got to produce.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, Stacy Lovely, Stacy Lovelace.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Okay, well listen.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I hope every uh, I hope everything that Santa that
you've asked Santa for shows up underneath the tree, not
only for yourself, but your family and your kids as well. Stephanie,
I certainly appreciate the time and safe travels. Look forward
to talking to you again soon. All right, I appreciate
it how it is, i'd say to you, Stephanie White
joining us on the program on the Java House peeling
poor guest line, peeling poor guest line for our friend
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Ralph Reef Ralph reef dot com r e i f
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and you've heard Ralph, you know there's nobody better when
it comes to explaining the training and just the overall
health when it comes to athletes. And he joins me, Now,
Ralph a couple of them to get to. And first off,
let me begin simply by saying the happiest of holidays
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to you.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Well, thank you very much, Jake.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I appreciate that, looking forward to it, and uh, we're
we're right upon it.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yes, sir, all right, let's begin with this and we're
going to go outside of market. Uh, with the injury
to Patrick Mahomes. And the reason I mentioned it because
I think you look at the colts for next year
and you're saying, Okay, I shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You know, the cults are still alive for this year.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I get it, But if you look at next year,
you start thinking about who in the AFC are contenders
and you wonder about the availability to you, Patrick Mahomes.
I saw this Ralph acl injury. You know we always
hear ACL. I thought I saw an acronym with which
I'm not familiar in the knee and you tell me
if I misread it the LCL. I don't know that
I've heard of that one before. Did I read that correctly?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Jake?
Speaker 6 (21:18):
You read it correctly, and it's the lateral collateral ligment.
So it's if you rub the outside of your knee joint,
that's the general.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Area of the LCL.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Typically, in an anti recrutiant ligament injury, uh, you will
get either an isolated tear of the E in other words,
nothing else is wrong except that ligament is torn. But Joe, Uh,
don't know the percentages off the top of my head.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
But the medial.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Collateral ligament is quite often injured with an ACL tear,
and sometimes you'll get a little moniscous injury and maybe
a bone bruise. But to get the LCL involved is
a little less common, and it adds some complexity to
the return to play.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Okay, And that of those two ralph ACL LCL, for example,
is there one of those ligaments that is more stubborn
than the other.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Stubborn in terms of.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Timeline of repair.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Oh, well, according to all the reports and so forth,
they did actually repair the lateral collateral ligment along with
a repair of the.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Anti kit ligament.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
They did the procedures to regain the stability to the
knee and with the lateral collateral ligament, not.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Saying that one is more unique than the other.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
The ACL carries much more load front to back stop
in a going forward and you go into reverse, your
ACL is really involved in that motion when you're rotating
or you're running in a circle, if you will, And
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that ligament on the outside is where a lot of
stress comes and so it adds the complexity to it
from the standpoint that not only will the ACL need
to repair and he'll need to get that motion back,
but one of his greatest traits as an athlete is
his ability to be mobile and to get out of
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peculiar situations on the field being partially tackled and rotating
out of it once and forth. As a matter of fact,
his longtime strength coach Bob Stoops, who managed him in
Texas and then moved to Kansas City with him, is.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Well known for his ability to train at like that.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
So this will be a real test to get Mahomes
back to homes that we've known with all of his
various abilities to get out of tough situations, Ralph.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Is there a And I know that everybody is different, right,
every human is different, But for the most part in
your experience and your vast experience as an athletic trainer,
is there an age that, more often than not, you
from a training standpoint look at and say, gosh. And
I'm not saying Patrick mahomes case, okay, just generically speaking
that you look at and you say, once a guy
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or a gal reaches that age, then it's kind of
like having one hundred thousand miles on the car where
things just are different than they were prior.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Is there like a.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Magic age that is the age of the Mendoza line?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
From a training standpoint, I don't.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Think we've found that, Jake, And I think you know
all the recent news from downhill skiing to quarter in
the NFL, that line is raising into a higher age bracket.
And you know, so what Lindsey vonn has done to
come back from multiple knee surgeries, some parts of her
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knee being replaced and being able to do what she's
doing at age forty one and is remarkable by old standards.
And so I think that we're we're more forgiving as
a sports society to allow age not to be a factor.
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Lebron James has certainly done that. You look at across
Major League Baseball and people standing on that pitching mound
that have done amazing things that at what we would
refer to as old age.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
So I think that line, whatever it.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Is, is rising, if you will, into an older older
age bracket.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Jacob Okay, Bernard Rayman has and all we know is
that it is an elbow injury. Now, you know, we
all hit our funny bones, so to speak, but he
had it bandaged. It's a little bit perhaps more elusive
to the weekend warrior like me, but as somebody with
more of a trained die and I know you don't
work specifically with Ryman, but typically that would mean perhaps
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what and how problematic an area.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
My sense is with this situation again, there's there's not
a lot specific to this injury. But if we were
to be generic about elbow injuries in lineman, he's probably
had some soft tissue injury. Again to the UCL A
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lot of acronyms here, the owner collateral ligament which acts
like the lateral collateral and the media flateral in the knee.
So if you think about the elbow is a little
bit of a resemblance to the knee joint, you'd be
pretty accurate. And so my guess is that he's got
a Tommy John type of of stretch to the ulner
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collateral ligament and that really deteriorates the stability of the
elbow to work correctly. And so what does that mean.
That means that to extend and push off, so to
grab and pull towards you. So those kinds of things
are very very limited. You can be braced up, you
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can be really stabilized, but you're real limited in your
ability to use that arm the way you want. And then,
as we've seen with other injuries, then you have compensation
kind of issues that you worry about around the wrist
and also more particularly up around the shoulder joint.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
When you look Ralph at the Forrest Buckner coming back,
Ralph Reef is my guest job House, Peel and Poor
guest line Ralph Reef dot com, r e i f
f dot com where you can see Ralph's work also
see where he continues to work in terms of whether
be speaking engagements or working in the training aspects of
today that's got him going all over the world. But
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Ralph when you look at DeForest Buckner and coming off
we know that we talked about and you did a
great job explaining stem cells and the neck injury that
he had. Once a guy is cleared from the situation
that he has had, do you have to bubble wrap
it a little bit or do you not put him
out there until he's good to go? Will there be
any impediment to his range of motion?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
So range of motion won't be should not be an issue.
The biggest issue would be around his strength of the
affected limb. So more than likely he had one side
of his upper extremities that was affected by this well
documented disc in the cervical vertebrae that was damaged in
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some manner. Therefore, it started to swell and it put
pressure on the nerves that run into the upper shoulder,
the back and into the arm. And so we know,
Weekend Warrior NFL player, when you have a nerve impingement
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or a nerve injury to where it's not fully functioning
due to it's so like a water hose in the
you know, beside your house, and it's running and you
step on it, and therefore not as much water runs
through the water hose and that's the same thing with
the nerve, and so we know that within twelve to
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fourteen days muscles deteriorate in strength of the forty percent.
So his big issue coming back will be strength and endurance.
And therefore then the third thing would be pain, because
that nerve can create some pain into the arm and
into the tricept.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
And so forth.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So I think the.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Biggest issue is does he have the strength to play
his position at the level that we know him to play.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Ralph.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Lastly, because you're always a good sport and you know,
we've moved into a new building that we have some
wires that are kind of like nerves, right, like you
step on them wrong, and you know, things just kind
of missfine. So so occasionally and periodically when we're talking
to people, their voice gets a little elevated and pitched.
They sound a little a little like maybe they're in
the Wizard of Oz and you're a good sport. Can
we get you real quick just to say for me
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if you could we represent the Lollipop Guild. Can I
just get you real quick to say that on the
air we represent the Lollipop Guild.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
We represent the Lollipop Guild.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
That is not really what Ralph sounds like. I promise
you folks, we just have a wire. We got to
get some stem cells in one of the wires for
our system here. Ralph, I appreciate it. It is great information.
Even if it sounds a little helium helium induced. It
is great information and always appreciate it. If we don't
talk to you, certainly wish you the very best of
the holiday season. I think we'll probably talk before then.
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But if we don't, certainly wanted to get that covered
as well.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Okay, thank you very much, same to everyone there within
in the station.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Ralph Reef joining us.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Joel Erickson is, of course the Colt speedwriter for the
Indianapolis Star. He joins us on the Java House Peel
and Poor Guest line. Java House Jake twenty five is
the discount code twenty five percent off all of your
peel and port beverages, including the Wrangler Energy, the Liquid
Science Hydration, and as well the Colombian Coffee, which I
particularly love. Let's get right to this, Joel. From an
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injury standpoint, Bernard Ryman, I will begin with that elbow
is all I know, and we all have two of them.
Where do things stand? With Bernard Ryman, and do we
know any more specifically what may be wrong.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
No, we don't know anything more specifically. We're kind of
on a weird week here where this is Wednesday, and
normally we should have updated information, but for the Colds,
it's technically Tuesday since they're playing on Monday. So this
is one of those weird ones where every day kind
of feels a little bit off because you're doing stuff.
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You're doing stuff a day late.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
But the last I saw.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Of Ryman he walking out of the locker room and
using only his left hand but to carry stuff, everything
like that, as you'd expect after.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Suffering an elbow injury.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
But Shane's iking didn't rule him out, so we'll just
kind of see how things go when they get into
practice tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Jill, I thought you asked, and I believe it was
you that asked the question, and I want to get
into this the I totally understand it. You know the
Philip Rivers and you know Anthony Richardson. Now being back,
I'm confused by this and I want you to paraphrase
for folks, how exactly did you ask the question to
Shane Stike and regarding Anthony Richardson and his availability or
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lack thereof.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
I believe I.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Said something along the lines of, you know, for those
of us who don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
What's what's what makes it?
Speaker 7 (33:03):
The difference between you know, Anthony Richardson not really playing
football for two months versus Philip Rivers not playing for.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Four and a half or five years.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
And really he said, it just comes down to the
fact that Richardson is coming off of injury. My understanding
is he's clear to do physical activity, but that doesn't
necessarily mean he's ready to practice that kind of thing.
Obviously a very serious eye injury. But yeah, that's that's
kind of that's kind of what we're trying to get at.
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Was just, you know, obviously two months off is not
the same as five years off. But you know, Shane
Stikeen was like, the difference of the fact that that
Richardson was injured.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
What I found peculiar.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
And I want you, Joel, you were there, Okay, I
want you to tell me if I'm wrong in this.
To me, it would have been very easy for Shane
Steichen to simply say, look, every injury is different, and
while he has been cleared to practice, we still have
to be very cautious because it was an orbital bone
of full contact, and so we will temper that as
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it goes.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I think people go okay.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
But when he repeatedly kept saying like, you know, physical
activity or I can't remember the exact wording that he used,
but basically insinuating he's got to get back into football shape.
And I'm thinking, yeah, but you're comparing it to a
guy that's twenty years older and hasn't played literally in
a half a decade. To me, what I'm getting at
is this, and I want you to tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
You were there.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It sounded to me like Shane Steichen was basically coming
up with any reason he could to essentially say, because
I'm done with the guy. I don't dislike him as
a person. I don't dislike him as a player. I
just distrust him as a quarterback, and I'm going to
go elsewhere. That's what I heard.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
My understanding is that there are physical, you know issues.
I agree with you generally the answer you laid out,
it does feel like it would be easy. I mean,
I think three years, isn't that we know that legend.
We don't always get an explanation quite like that from Shane.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
By the way, Joel, this is you know, it's a
wonderful time of year, right, you know, I mean Andy
Williams said it's the most wonderful.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Time of the year.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And in one of the things that's fun about it,
you know, you have kids, and you know, you wake
up here in a little over a week or whatever
it might be, and there's gifts under the tree and
it's fun, right, and there's you know, stuff hanging in
this from the fireplace, and oranges in it and candy
in it and the whole deal. I'm just curious. It's
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my understanding. It's my understanding. Did you happen to get
any sort of a porch visit in the middle of
the night of Late.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
The Beer Fairy? Well, like one of the Beer Fairy's
best runs ever, I think, really yeah, Well, you know,
you know, I don't know if the listeners know this,
that the Beer Fery has ways of sort of making
requests for wondering whether or not, you know, if I'm
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craving anything, and sometimes it stuff's out and sometimes it's not.
But I got exactly, I got exactly what I asked
for on my list.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Listen the beer Faery. The Beer Fairy is, I know,
and for those that don't know, the beer Faery is.
And I actually I've never actually divulged.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
This, but I will, Joel, I'll tell you this real quick.
You're ready.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yes, many moons ago, I was but a younger lad
and I was I was living in Saint Louis.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Actually okay, true story.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
And my car got stolen in Saint Louis, also a
true story. And because my car was stolen, and during
the time between when my car was stolen and when
I could get a new car, I took public transportation,
no problem, right. And I was one day on the
King's Highway late at night, late at night. The only
light illuminating the interior of this old bus that I
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was riding was that of one of the Greasy Spoon
diners there on King's Highway in Saint Louis. And through
the flicker of the Greasy Spoon diner, I could see
within the bus the glistening of some sort of almost
like a like a dust. And I heard but of
a whimper, and I realized it was the Beer Faery.
Beer Fery was making a run now in Saint Louis.
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The beer Fairy has a bit of a monopoly because
Aneer Bush runs everything right, so not a hard gig
for the beer Faery. So the beer faery was telling
me how because everybody in Saint Louis already has Anheuser
Busch stuff, not a lot of use or work for
the beer Faery. So we became friends, and the beer
Fery occasionally will ask me if I know of people
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that may need help from the beer Faery, and so
I have facilitated those conversations, and the beer Faery is
very eager to please. And so I asked you on
the air if there was anything you like, and I
think and I passed it along to the beer Faery.
My understanding is the beer faery works very hard to accommodate.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
I just just an incredible, an incredible run, you know,
and you will enjoy this as well. I am planning
to sit down and sample the tail wagger ambers that
came as I continue to read John U. Bacon's latest book,
you know what it is? I noticed to the topic
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that they interest you as.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Well, John you Bacon's latest book. You know.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I did read a book from Johnya Cheddar which is
from the same category as Johnny Bacon's. But I don't
know the book of which he speaks, So go ahead.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
The Gales of November.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Oh hell yeah. I should have known this, Yes, and
I got I got news for you. It leaves you
with a sinking feeling. Just so you know, I do
know how the book ends. Uh, this is the Tale
of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Correct, this is the Tale of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yes, Joel, I have already had anniversary. Listen.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I've always had beef with Gordon Lightfoot, Okay, because Gordon
Lightfoot in his song saying it says and the record
of the Edvan Fitzgerald, he says, the church bell chimed.
It chimed twenty nine times for each man on the
Edmon Fitzgerald. And I've always had beef with that because
it actually chimed twenty nine times, once for each man
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on the ed Mif Fitzgerald.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
The way that he does it indicates that it's.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Twenty nine per person, right, and twenty nine times twenty
nine would be what some eight hundred and forty two
something like that. It didn't chime that many.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Times, just chiming.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
Yeah, that's right, Gordon, that's an excellent point.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Gordon, a little sloppy by the way. Gordon Lightfoot also
wrote sundown about the woman that was his mistress at
the time who later went on to become the mistress
that was with John Beluci on the ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
But that's a different talk show.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
But I'm glad that I'm glad you're going to enjoy
your beer while you read your book, and the beer
fairy is happy to know that the beer Fairy had
a good delivery. Now let's get back to this in
terms of delivery for the cult, do you feel Philip
Rivers delivered and do you think Shane Steiken delivered the
right game plan for him?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
It was the right game plan for that game.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Rivers executed honestly better than I thought he would in
terms of how many capasses he completed for that game.
Like I said, it's the right one because that's that
defense picks off a lot of passes.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
They sacked quarterback a lot.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Ultimately, though, it ended up to me just sort of
highlighting how the predicament the Colts are in without Daniel
Jones as the starting quarterback, because if you have to
run that sort of game plan where you need just
you need everything to go just perfectly.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's it's just not a way to make the it's
not a way to make the playoffs. But here's the thing.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Like when you're down to your number three quarterback and
you're calling in Philip Rivers from you know, Fairhope, Alabama
to do it, that's that's kind of the spot you're in.
And that would be true if it was Riley Leonard.
That would be true if it was smelling air. Just
whenever you get to your number three option at quarterback
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in the NFL, you're at a bad spot.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
If they Okay, and I don't know this answer, Joel.
If the Colts were to lose Monday Night to San Francisco,
not saying it's going to happen, but if they were
to lose Monday Night to San Francisco, in other words,
there is no chance they are eliminated from the postseason mathematically.
As a matter of fact, they would not. The latest
game in which they would be eliminated would be going
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into Week seventeen.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Am I correct?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I think so? I think so.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
So that gives them because the reason I ask, if
they are eliminated from the postseason, do we assume that
that means Philip Rivers then hops arrived with the beer
ferry back to Alabama.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
That is a fantastic question. I would think so, but
I don't.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
But also, Philip Rivers is you know a guy who
duty and honor that stuff, So maybe you would stick around.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
But yes, I would think. I would think if they
got eliminated, that would be the end of it.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Once they're eliminated, they don't have and I hate to
say this because he's a good dude, but they don't
have any use for him at that point because at
that point you have two quarterbacks that you have to
see something from.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 7 (42:19):
I think if you're eliminated from the playoffs, the changes
the equation entirely.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
And so yeah, that's that's kind of expecting.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
But you know, I've I've been wrong about this cult
team a few times this year, and so I'm making
me hedge my bets.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
But by the way, have you ever listened to Joel
speaking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Have you ever listened to
the radio transmission of the captain that was in the
ship that they asked to go back and check on
the Fitzgerald?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yes, I have.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
I don't mean to make light of this. I mean
it was fifty years ago. There are still obviously fait,
you know. I mean, I would imagine many of the
men that perished have kids that are rotten my age now.
But I don't know that I've ever heard of radio
transmission of a dude that less wanted to do what
he was being asked than that guy, right, And I
don't blame him, right, but but he literally is like, oh,
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I don't know, the city's pretty large out there. I
mean you could tell this guy was sitting down with
a book and a delivery from the beer faery and
had zero interest.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Correct, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's definitely there.
Speaker 7 (43:23):
There's a there's a there's a piece I'm only like
one hundred and something pages in right now, but there's
a piece about like a rescue from one of the
other freighters that went down before the fits, and it's
the rescue sounds almost as bad as a thinking if that.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Oh, it had to have been treacherous as can be. Right.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I mean, this guy, and I'll give him credit. I mean,
the Captain Anderson I think is his name. He is,
he was the ship that was and I believe he
was in front of the Fitzgerald if I'm not mistaken,
but he when they radioed to him, you know, they're like, hey,
can you turn around and go back? And he I
mean I think ultimately he did do so. Actually, and
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it wasn't that he but he was just saying like, look,
this is literally the worst we've ever seen. I mean,
he was like, there is holding her own there and
then he wanted no part of it.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Man, you could tell. I mean it's kind of haunting actually.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
The waves, the waves and everything.
Speaker 7 (44:22):
So obviously being from Wisconsin, I've been by you know,
get you Gooty and by Lake Michigan quite a bit,
but I've never.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Been on them.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
And the waves out out where it's you know, where
you have a freighter going in the Great Lakes can
be can be pretty intense. And I can't imagine trying
to you know, like one of the haunting things from
the book so far as they say those freighters were
so long that like the front of the freighter could
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be in one wave and the back of the way
the freighter could be in the other wave, and the
middle is just suspended above the water, which it is terrisfying.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, well, I don't know if you know this or not,
but the waves turn the minutes to ours now and
the Edmund Fitzgerald Joel true true story. The Edmund Fitzgerald,
if you had stood it upright, was taller than the
Salesforce Tower in Indianapolis. That's how long it was. I
mean that gives you an idea how big it was
all right before we let you go. Just kind of overall,
you know, if you could coming off of this game.
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There just kind of seems to be this unknown about
the Colts speak. And we'll get into it a later time.
Whether or not Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are back
we can get you know, with the the injuries themselves.
You know, Mooney Ward, I have real question about whether
or not he comes back next year, but that remains
to be seen. Right other players, you wonder if they
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come back in terms of the health status right now
of players for availability that could be working their back
their way back in or miss the game against San Francisco.
Run down for me those players, and then run down
for me what you anticipate seeing, if anything different in
terms of their use of philip rivers from what we
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saw against Seattle.
Speaker 7 (46:07):
Yeah, I think the big the big tooth that stick
out in my mind are the Forest Buckner who practiced
last week but wasn't able to go.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
You know, if you can get him back, that helps.
Speaker 7 (46:19):
I mean, this past rush has has only has two
secs in the last three weeks. I don't know that
you're going to get Buckner the full the Forest Buckner
coming off of this injury, but but he.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Would still he would still help.
Speaker 7 (46:34):
And then I'm also very curious to find out does
Sauce Gardner uh start to make his way back from
the calf He's been out a couple of weeks now.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I don't know that the.
Speaker 7 (46:44):
Calf strains are obviously tricky, and I think if you
watch NBA basketball, you're aware that those things kind to linger.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
So maybe we don't feed him.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
But the other one that could help considerably for this
team in terms of injury.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
And then and then the other one that.
Speaker 7 (46:59):
You do they have their left tackle because this is
a this is a forty nine ers team that does
not rush the passer well at all. This season, they
were thirty second sacks or thirty sorry, thirty second sack sack. Great,
They're thirty first in pressure rate. They only have sixteen
sacks on the season. Their lead guy has four. But
that kind of evens out if you're going to get
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the two backup tackles instead of against Bernard Ryman and
Jalen Travis. So I think that's the other one, that
there's those three right there would really really change I
think the picture a little bit. And then in terms
of rivers, like how many how many of those back
shoulders does his arms having them?
Speaker 1 (47:37):
That's mine And I mean didn't Seattle kind of to
me Joel and I didn't mean to cut you off there,
but but yes, because Seattle, I think kind of wanted to.
They kind of let him do, like, Okay, let's see
what you got here, right, And then once they kind
of had an idea, then they were able to kind
of push forward. They knew they didn't have to drop
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several back. They could spy on Taylor that way, they
didn't have to blitz because they didn't want Taylor running
through a blitz because they just kind of sat back
and that and Indianapolis could not.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Move the ball. So did they put the blueprint there
for San Francisco?
Speaker 7 (48:11):
Yeah, it's I mean, if you're if you're Robert taller,
you're thinking, I got to move my guys forward.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
The other thing that's.
Speaker 7 (48:18):
Interesting is that San Francisco's defense this year essentially is
allowing teams to just do what Rivers did. Essentially, they're
just letting teams through a complete a lot of passes
and throw short. They've given up a very high completion percentage,
but they haven't given up that many points because they're
incredible in the red zone. So and and then you
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figure out, can they move them forward a little bit
not have to worry about say like if you have
a different quarterback in this game, then you are terrified
by peers getting over.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
The top on you.
Speaker 7 (48:50):
You're probably not worried about that, right, But their style,
their style of play is sort of to to let
you do what Rivers was doing last week and into
this can't take advantage of it and let you not
score enough points on your drives and then you end
up losing.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Okay, Joel, before I let you go, because the wires
are getting stepped on again here and it's your voices
look like right there, you're a little giggle.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
It's it's it's fun, right.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Uh So if you could and I'll give you dealers
you know, or not dealers, but recipient's choice. We need
you to either say, follow the yellow brick road we
represent the Lollipop Guild, or declare that the witch is dead.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Whichever one you'd.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Like, follow the yellow brick roads.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
Now, did you alter your voice in doing that in
any way, shape or form.
Speaker 7 (49:48):
No, no, and I don't and I don't know what
just happened on the other end, So I'm mystified.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
We'll send it to you. I assumed it was gonna
play me in the next time, have my mind.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Listen? Can he do it one more time?
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Bottle the yellow brick Road?
Speaker 1 (50:14):
All right, Joe, we'll let you. We'll let you go
down the yellow brick Road. I appreciate it as always
When Stephanie White was kind enough to join us over
the course of the WNBA season, we would take her
musical requests each and every week, and it was Kenny
Chesney at one point. I think we went Hoody and
the Blowfish at one point. I don't think we ever
did two live crew. But then I asked her what
she wanted for this and that. So she picks the
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song that instantly makes you feel like you're walking through
any mall in nineteen ninety five, right, and most people
say that's the most annoying Christmas song of all time.
I gotta admit catchy. Don't you think it's catchy?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Nathaniel, it's catchy. You know she's our only guest that
gets to pick their re entry.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I know that's that's what she's earned that right. She
joins us now in the Java House Peel and Poor
Guest line. She is the head coach of the Indiana Fever.
Amongst her broadcast duties with basketball as well a Stephanie
White joining us Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Stephanie Mery Christmas.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So you like the song or you just it's become
so ubiquitous in the American culture, you decided to go
with it because we're a week away.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I love this song. I love this song.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'm in fact when we're the first song that's played
when we're decorating the Christmas tree the day after the
Thanksgiving is that song.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's iconic.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, and that's fair. Now what's the second one? What's okay?
Let me ask us what's give me the Christmas carol?
Of the Christmas Carols the wrong word, but the recorded
Christmas song that other people like that You're like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No, you know what.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I love Christmas music, so there's probably not one that
I would say no, I don't like so big. I'm
a big Christmas music fan. If I could start Christmas
music after Halloween, I would.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Okay, I'm cool with that. I you know the one
that I like.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And you tell me if you consider this a Christmas song,
I mean it kind of is, but it's more Christmas
was and that is do they know it's Christmas? By
band Aid, which obviously was a fundraiser in nineteen eighty
five trying to raise money for you know, feed the World.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You know the song, right?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I don't know the song? Yeah, I have to find
that song play it at some point.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, Nathaniel find do they know it's Christmas by band aid?
You'll know when you hear it. I'm just to terrible.
I'm introducing it in a terrible way. All right, let's
begin with this. When I asked if you could come
on because we have a number of things I want
to get to, you mentioned that you had a flight today,
and I was going to guess your flight. And then
I looked, and I cheated a little bit because I
know you were just in Raleigh, North Carolina. Correct, I
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was and is, So I'm going to guess that you
were flying. But then again, so I think most people
know this that you don't you spend your off season
outside of Indiana, right, But that would have only been
like an hour flight, So I'm going to guess that
you were not flying from Raleigh. I'm going to say
that you are taking advantage of a little bit of
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downtime in basketball, and you are enjoying the warm weather
for a few days, and you're in Florida.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
No, that's not right.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I was actually flying home to Nashville from New York
from an event last night. So yeah, I'm popping around
right now.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Nothing wrong with that, all right, let's begin with this.
The involvement and the reason that you were in Raleigh. Okay,
the US women's team, if I'm not mistaken, and totally
feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, is getting
ready for the FEEBA Women's Basketball Championships of twenty six
that includes Kaitland Clark, and you are part of that
group that is coaching and overseeing it. Now fill in
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the blanks where I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, I know, you're right.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I mean it's a it's a group that's that had
her first mini camp of the cycle. We'll have another
one in the spring, most likely at the final four.
A lot of new young players. Of course, Kitland Clark
was one of those. E Leah Boston was there as well.
Kelsey Mitchell was an invite but didn't get to go
because of a family obligation. But she'll certainly be in
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the pool as well. So are in Indiana Fever represented.
And these are women who are who are vying for
a spot on the senior national team for the Feeble
World Cup and for the Olympics, the twenty twenty Olympics.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Now, now step down. I'm gonna be honest with you.
And we had this happen yesterday. It happened to Scott Agnes,
so blame him and Don Fisher. Also, this happened to
we somehow our system speeds up a little bit what
you're saying. So I want people to know you're not
actually on helium, right, I mean like your your That's
what it sounded like again, huh so so you know
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I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
You sound a little like Lynn Dunn if you really
want to know.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
This, no ide, come on, no, very super energetic right
Lyndn Dunn's Lynn done? Is She's like the Java house
peeling poor coffee. Right, She's instant energy. She's like the
Wrangler energy.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I like it, right, Yes, yes she is.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Okay, you sound a little so not Southern drawlly. But
do you mind selling here if we because I do
want your perspectives? Do you mind sounding a little helium
e here? Are you willing to wade through that?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Sure? I'm willing to do that. Okay, Thanks for you, Jake, just.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
For you, Thank you. Well, Merry Christmas to me?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Right Okay, So I do want to get to this
because you know, for Caitlin Clark, for example, when you know,
when when you have a player that coming off injury
or that was injured, and then you start to get
into those conversations in today's basketball world of you know,
just to wear and tear. But at the same time,
the benefit of being able to play different with different style,
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with different teammates and obviously representing the United States that
goes without saying, but is there some potential I hate
to use the word drawback that can come with the
non stop playing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I mean, of course there's there's drawback that can come
with non stop playing. I mean, we've got women in
our league who have been playing essentially twelve months of
the year their entire careers, So there can be you know,
I think for somebody specific to Caitlin, you know, being
able to play now, is it's something that she desperately.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Wants to need.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
She hasn't really played for a long time, and you know,
working her way back and preparing herself for this training camp,
she's it's been a grind and it's not easy, and
she's done an excellent job and I thought she was
really ready to go.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
She looked good in training camp.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
But I think that the most important thing is for
her is getting reps, you know, and then you've got
players who played twelve months out of the year in
the various leagues and overseas, and you've got players who don't.
And in the off season when you don't play, then
you've got to find a way to get games.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And we all know like pickup games.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Isn't it right like to try to find find your
rhythm and your timing and get all of that stuff back.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Do you you've had a chance now, Stephanie, to to
really you know, it was a it was an impressive
run that you guys had, and I know that you know,
without Kaitlyn Clark, there was that question that kind of
lingered over the course of the year. There were you know,
you had made some comments about how you felt about
Caitlin Clark kind of being in the middle of you know,
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a pawn I think is the word you used of
just you know, some of the different marketing aspects and
you know, being the face of a league really and
so there was so much going on at the end
of the season for the Indiana Fever in for you
and I know you're busy with other things, but did
you really get a chance now to sit back and
kind of go over and process and absorb what it
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was that you guys accomplished.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think you can get a chance
to to really look back and see all of the
adversity that we went through from the beginning of the
year to the end of the year, and you know,
the special group that we had that positioned us to
be right there to go to the w NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You know, I think it's it's.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's from an outside perspective, all the all the people
that I get to.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Talked to talk about how how remarkable it was.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But from being on the inside, it's just it's it's
next player up, and it's how do we position ourselves?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
How do we get creative enough.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
To be a team that can compete and be the
be the best version of what we have? And you know,
there was never a doubt in terms of belief that
we could still get there and do it. And and
there was never a moment where anyone, you know, hesitated.
It was just what do we need to do, how
do we need to get there? And let's put ourselves
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in position to be successful. And so yes, you look
back on and it's like, holy cow, we went through
all of that and still we're twenty seconds away from
the WNBA finals.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
When you look Stephanie at moving forward now and getting
the chance to watch Caitlin Clark with different players for
a different team and the international standpoint here, will that
give you a couple of things that you can kind
of put in the arsenal as you work her back
in with the fever of maybe glimpses of stylistically or
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schematically areas where you can take advantage of her skill set.
Are you constantly looking for new ways of that and
could this introduce that to both you and Kaitlin?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I mean we're always constantly looking for ways to
do that, whether it's you know, through those experiences or
games that we're watching on television, there are certainly those opportunities.
I think the thing that's unique is that most people
don't quite stand about the USA Basketball experience is that,
you know, for day basketball, you're talking about having the
twelve best players you know that are going to make
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make the best team to compete for a gold medal,
and there are very few players who go through the
USA Basketball experience that are that are allowed to quote
unquote be themselves right so that they're the same version
of player that they are with their teams in the
w n B A because you're sacrificing playing with all
of these other great players, and you're playing FEVA rules
which are different than w NBA rules which are different.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
So so I think that in the experience of USA basketball,
you play a different role. Every single player plays a
different role. And so to watch Caitlin ab you know,
playing a different role, taking on you know, different different
ownership levels of that role. Is it's cool because you
can see, Okay, all right, like, look we can maybe
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we can adjust and and do this out of this
time out or or in the situation. Look, they're always
going to be who they are for our team, But
how can we add little nuances, uh, to be able
to gain advantage?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think is important.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Do you find Stephanie Stephanie White's my guest, Java House
Peel and poor guest line. Does seeing the game through
coaching help you with broadcasting or does seeing the game
as a broadcaster more help you as a coach.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's both, you know, it really is.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
And I and when I was at Vanderbilding College coaching,
one of the things that I missed the most was
being able to have.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That macro and micro view.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I feel like broadcasting and coaching it evens me out
so I can I can give the viewer a behind
the scenes look at at strategy and and and and
and the micro that goes into to the game, and
and and subtleties that go into the game, and nuance
that goes into the game. But when I come back
to trading camp every year, I've seen the macro view.
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You know, I talk to coaches all the time and
it's like, oh my gosh, like you are doing your
team is doing this, this and this really well, or
they're doing this, this, this and.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, and it's like, yeah, but we're not doing this,
this is this and this right, That's this is what
coaches do.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
This is our job is to find every weakness that
we have and try to eliminate it. And so it
gives me a different perspective. So when I come in,
I have a big picture of view. I have a
view of Okay, well we might be limited here, but
what are we doing well that we can accentuate. And
then every year I come into the fall and I'm
more in the in the in the micro viewpoint, more
in the tunnels aspect, more in the details and the
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and the nitty gritty of the coaching mind. So I
feel like it balances out for me. It helps me
be better in both areas, and I hope that it
gives the viewer a good perspective when I'm calling a game,
and I hope that it gives gives our players a
good perspective when I come back in the spring.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Will it be a challenge to reacclimate Caitlin Clark to
just the fever roster? I mean there was you know,
obviously you guys had so much and it was remarkable.
I mean, it truly was a credit to the women
on your team. As you mentioned, you know, everyone's stepping
up and not knowing what the role was going to
be from one week to the next. Really, but will
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it be a challenge to reacclimate both Caitlyn Clark to
her teammates and her teammates to Caitlin Clark after what
was accomplished.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I don't know if it's a challenge after what was
accomplished as opposed to just a challenge of reintegrating a
player that has so much gravity, you know, to your team.
You know, you get used to playing with a group
that plays a certain way, and then you bring a
player who's going to have the ball in her hands
every possession down the floor, and you play differently. So
I think that and we saw that at various points
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throughout the season when she was in and out. So
so I don't think that's going to be the challenge.
I think the challenge for us as a whole is
going to be, what does our roster makeup look like?
I mean, outside of four players, everybody's a free agent.
Ninety five or ninety six percent of the league is
a free agent this year, something crazy like that. So
what is it going to look like? What are a
roster's going to look like? How will once we get
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a deal with the CBA, how will that impact who
we're able to bring in and how we want to play?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Where do things stand right now with the Collective Bargaining Agreement?
I know that it's been the timeline of that has moved, right.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yes, yeah, the timeline of a we've we've extended the
negotiating windows.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
And that in terms of and I don't know how
much you can even say about it, maybe maybe it's
none whatsoever, But you know that challenge if you will
of not knowing where things stand.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
How difficult is that.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It's it's challenging.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
You know, I'm thankful I'm not Amber Cox right now
our GM and you're having to try to guess what
might happen and what might not. But it's challenging because
the unknown. It's challenging because the timeline has changed. You know,
for for us, we typically knew when free agency was
going to open up, when the expansion Draft was going
to happen, when we could sign free agents, and then
you build into the draft. So the timeline has changed.
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It's going to be shortened, you know, when when gets
made and it's it's it's going to be, you know,
a rat race. So it's just it's gonna be it's
gonna be fast and furious and trying to make decisions,
trying to figure out who you can fit into whatever
the new salary cap is going to be. And so
I think it's it's it's challenging, but it's also a
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necessary part of the business. You know, we've seen every
professional league go through this. You know, certainly we'd love
for it to be seamless, and but it's it's not seamless,
and and it's just the hand that we're dealt and
we got to play it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I thought I saw a headline and you tell me
if it was clickbait that you had recently done an
interview coming off of the experience with Team USA, and
it said like Stephanie White says Asia Wilson is the
best player in the world, And I thought, well, she
coaches Caitlin Clark, who's pretty darn good. And I know
you have great respect for all great players. Was that
a clickbait headline or did you say it that overtly?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I think that that might have been clickick bait, but
I but I do think that Asia will is one
of the best players in the world, There's no doubt
about that.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
The when you see different great players and you get
it is it is it refreshing, I guess too, and
fun to be able to get involved with and kind
of get a glimpse inside of the greatness of players
that you normally would not on a day to day.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Be working with.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It really is, you know, to be in the gym
with with players to see how they work, see how
they operate, to to be able to put them in
different positions. It's it's it's awesome and you know.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
You learn too.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I learned, you know, how how different players number one prepare, uh,
you know, And it's it's when whenever we're talking about
young players, especially young players, can learn from the veterans.
You know, who's the first one in the gym, what
have they been doing, you know, in the weight room
prior to what are they doing in the weight room?
You know, right after I'll never forget my first Team
USA experience last year.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
You know, Jackie Young was an example.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I was in the gym earlier in the morning at
the hotel getting a workout in. She was in there
in the gym getting a workout in, and then right after,
you know, a two and a half hour practice, she's
in the weight room at the at the facility doing
the versa climber. I mean, it's just it's how you
work and how you prepare and you know, how you
keep your body ready. And I think for a lot
of young players, learning how to be a pro is challenging,
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right because you can't do the same level of things
that you were doing in college. It requires a different version,
It requires a different attention to detail, it requires more.
I mean, you know the stories about Lebron James and
how early he's at the gym on a game today,
you know, are well renowned. So learning that I think
is important for me. Learning you know, how players like
to warm up, what are the different drills that they
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like to do, being able to apply some of that,
what are they like in game? What kind of situations
can we continue to challenge and stretch our players based
on what I'm learning from these other players, and then
to just marvel in their greatness. I mean, you know,
just just being out there and watching them the best
in the world, do what they do best, and and
just the joy that that brings.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know, a basketball that like.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Me, Stephanie, I want to ask you, and we have
this song by the way, I'm going to see on
the way out if you know, do they know as
Christmas by Bandaid? But before we do that, I wanted
to give you this opportunity you mentioned, you know, just
seeing examples right when I was For example, when I
was in high school as a freshman, I'll never forget
that there were two varsity players. I was a freshman
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player and kind of a fringe player, right, and there
were two guys that were on the varsity team, Todd
Geyer and Tony Barbie, okay, and they were like kind
of star players, and they they kind of took me
under their wing of you know, hey, kid, like here's
what you do and giving me a ride home after
practice and those things. But it made me feel like,
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in fact, I belonged. It made me feel like I
was part of the team. And to have the endorsement
of those guys was so big for me as a
young player. Who was the player or whether it be
a player or just an older person in the neighborhood,
whoever it might be, who was that for you at
a young age where before you realized the greatness that
was within you, you realized that somebody else made you
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feel like you belonged.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Wow, you know, I don't think as a young person
I had that, You know, there weren't there weren't a
lot of well, number one, when I was when I
was young, there weren't a lot of female basketball role
models that were visible right that I that I that
I saw. You know. I used to go play at
the old West leven And gym with what I called
the old guys at the time, which they're probably younger
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than I am right now. When I was exactly yeah,
and they and they taught me how to play the
game right, like throwing in front of somebody when they're
running to the rim, not where they are or they're
going to starting to anticipate, you know, defenses, starting to
anticipate actions.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know, they taught me all of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
You know, I would say when I beg college, Stacey
who was who was a senior on team when I
was a freshman with someone who just kind of, you know,
helped me navigate the adjustment to college life. You know,
everything from from finding the the the doctor's appointments that
they didn't handhold us like they do now, right, you
don't have everything kind of set up for you, to
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navigating study to study tables and and and all of
those things.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And then and then when I was a pro, it
was watching Don Staley as as a rookie. I was
a rookie and she was she had been a pro
for a long time. We were on the same team
in Charlotte. It was watching her and how she works
and and you know, Vicky Bullet calls me my first
day in Charlotte it's like, Hey, we're going to the gym,
let's go. You know, those guys who had been around
and who had been pros showing me what it means
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to be.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
To be a pro. You don't wait till the first
day of training camp.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
If you're there three days Earli, you're getting in the
gym and you're getting your work in and you know
those guys helping me understand what it means to prepare
and be a pro.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Okay, lastly, because it dropped out for just a second,
give me the name of the Purdue player again when
you first got to produce.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, Stacy Lovely, Stacy Lovelace.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Okay, well listen.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I hope every uh, I hope everything that Santa that
you've asked Santa for shows up underneath the tree, not
only for yourself, but your family and your kids as well. Stephanie,
I certainly appreciate the time and safe travels. Look forward
to talking to you again soon. All right, I appreciate
it how it is, i'd say to you, Stephanie White
joining us on the program on the Java House peeling
poor guest line, peeling poor guest line for our friend
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Ralph Reef Ralph reef dot com r e i f
F dot com. And if you've listened to this program
and you've heard Ralph, you know there's nobody better when
it comes to explaining the training and just the overall
health when it comes to athletes. And he joins me, Now,
Ralph a couple of them to get to. And first off,
let me begin simply by saying the happiest of holidays
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to you.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Well, thank you very much, Jake.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I appreciate that, looking forward to it, and uh, we're
we're right upon it.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yes, sir, all right, let's begin with this and we're
going to go outside of market. Uh, with the injury
to Patrick Mahomes. And the reason I mentioned it because
I think you look at the colts for next year
and you're saying, Okay, I shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You know, the cults are still alive for this year.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I get it, But if you look at next year,
you start thinking about who in the AFC are contenders
and you wonder about the availability to you, Patrick Mahomes.
I saw this Ralph acl injury. You know we always
hear ACL. I thought I saw an acronym with which
I'm not familiar in the knee and you tell me
if I misread it the LCL. I don't know that
I've heard of that one before. Did I read that correctly?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Jake?
Speaker 6 (21:18):
You read it correctly, and it's the lateral collateral ligment.
So it's if you rub the outside of your knee joint,
that's the general.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Area of the LCL.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Typically, in an anti recrutiant ligament injury, uh, you will
get either an isolated tear of the E in other words,
nothing else is wrong except that ligament is torn. But Joe, Uh,
don't know the percentages off the top of my head.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
But the medial.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Collateral ligament is quite often injured with an ACL tear,
and sometimes you'll get a little moniscous injury and maybe
a bone bruise. But to get the LCL involved is
a little less common, and it adds some complexity to
the return to play.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Okay, And that of those two ralph ACL LCL, for example,
is there one of those ligaments that is more stubborn
than the other.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Stubborn in terms of.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Timeline of repair.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Oh, well, according to all the reports and so forth,
they did actually repair the lateral collateral ligment along with
a repair of the.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Anti kit ligament.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
They did the procedures to regain the stability to the
knee and with the lateral collateral ligament, not.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Saying that one is more unique than the other.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
The ACL carries much more load front to back stop
in a going forward and you go into reverse, your
ACL is really involved in that motion when you're rotating
or you're running in a circle, if you will, And
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that ligament on the outside is where a lot of
stress comes and so it adds the complexity to it
from the standpoint that not only will the ACL need
to repair and he'll need to get that motion back,
but one of his greatest traits as an athlete is
his ability to be mobile and to get out of
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peculiar situations on the field being partially tackled and rotating
out of it once and forth. As a matter of fact,
his longtime strength coach Bob Stoops, who managed him in
Texas and then moved to Kansas City with him, is.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Well known for his ability to train at like that.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
So this will be a real test to get Mahomes
back to homes that we've known with all of his
various abilities to get out of tough situations, Ralph.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Is there a And I know that everybody is different, right,
every human is different, But for the most part in
your experience and your vast experience as an athletic trainer,
is there an age that, more often than not, you
from a training standpoint look at and say, gosh. And
I'm not saying Patrick mahomes case, okay, just generically speaking
that you look at and you say, once a guy
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or a gal reaches that age, then it's kind of
like having one hundred thousand miles on the car where
things just are different than they were prior.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Is there like a.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Magic age that is the age of the Mendoza line?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
From a training standpoint, I don't.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Think we've found that, Jake, And I think you know
all the recent news from downhill skiing to quarter in
the NFL, that line is raising into a higher age bracket.
And you know, so what Lindsey vonn has done to
come back from multiple knee surgeries, some parts of her
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knee being replaced and being able to do what she's
doing at age forty one and is remarkable by old standards.
And so I think that we're we're more forgiving as
a sports society to allow age not to be a factor.
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Lebron James has certainly done that. You look at across
Major League Baseball and people standing on that pitching mound
that have done amazing things that at what we would
refer to as old age.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
So I think that line, whatever it.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
Is, is rising, if you will, into an older older
age bracket.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Jacob Okay, Bernard Rayman has and all we know is
that it is an elbow injury. Now, you know, we
all hit our funny bones, so to speak, but he
had it bandaged. It's a little bit perhaps more elusive
to the weekend warrior like me, but as somebody with
more of a trained die and I know you don't
work specifically with Ryman, but typically that would mean perhaps
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what and how problematic an area.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
My sense is with this situation again, there's there's not
a lot specific to this injury. But if we were
to be generic about elbow injuries in lineman, he's probably
had some soft tissue injury. Again to the UCL A
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lot of acronyms here, the owner collateral ligament which acts
like the lateral collateral and the media flateral in the knee.
So if you think about the elbow is a little
bit of a resemblance to the knee joint, you'd be
pretty accurate. And so my guess is that he's got
a Tommy John type of of stretch to the ulner
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collateral ligament and that really deteriorates the stability of the
elbow to work correctly. And so what does that mean.
That means that to extend and push off, so to
grab and pull towards you. So those kinds of things
are very very limited. You can be braced up, you
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can be really stabilized, but you're real limited in your
ability to use that arm the way you want. And then,
as we've seen with other injuries, then you have compensation
kind of issues that you worry about around the wrist
and also more particularly up around the shoulder joint.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
When you look Ralph at the Forrest Buckner coming back,
Ralph Reef is my guest job House, Peel and Poor
guest line Ralph Reef dot com, r e i f
f dot com where you can see Ralph's work also
see where he continues to work in terms of whether
be speaking engagements or working in the training aspects of
today that's got him going all over the world. But
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Ralph when you look at DeForest Buckner and coming off
we know that we talked about and you did a
great job explaining stem cells and the neck injury that
he had. Once a guy is cleared from the situation
that he has had, do you have to bubble wrap
it a little bit or do you not put him
out there until he's good to go? Will there be
any impediment to his range of motion?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
So range of motion won't be should not be an issue.
The biggest issue would be around his strength of the
affected limb. So more than likely he had one side
of his upper extremities that was affected by this well
documented disc in the cervical vertebrae that was damaged in
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some manner. Therefore, it started to swell and it put
pressure on the nerves that run into the upper shoulder,
the back and into the arm. And so we know,
Weekend Warrior NFL player, when you have a nerve impingement
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or a nerve injury to where it's not fully functioning
due to it's so like a water hose in the
you know, beside your house, and it's running and you
step on it, and therefore not as much water runs
through the water hose and that's the same thing with
the nerve, and so we know that within twelve to
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fourteen days muscles deteriorate in strength of the forty percent.
So his big issue coming back will be strength and endurance.
And therefore then the third thing would be pain, because
that nerve can create some pain into the arm and
into the tricept.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
And so forth.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So I think the.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Biggest issue is does he have the strength to play
his position at the level that we know him to play.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Ralph.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Lastly, because you're always a good sport and you know,
we've moved into a new building that we have some
wires that are kind of like nerves, right, like you
step on them wrong, and you know, things just kind
of missfine. So so occasionally and periodically when we're talking
to people, their voice gets a little elevated and pitched.
They sound a little a little like maybe they're in
the Wizard of Oz and you're a good sport. Can
we get you real quick just to say for me
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if you could we represent the Lollipop Guild. Can I
just get you real quick to say that on the
air we represent the Lollipop Guild.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
We represent the Lollipop Guild.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
That is not really what Ralph sounds like. I promise
you folks, we just have a wire. We got to
get some stem cells in one of the wires for
our system here. Ralph, I appreciate it. It is great information.
Even if it sounds a little helium helium induced. It
is great information and always appreciate it. If we don't
talk to you, certainly wish you the very best of
the holiday season. I think we'll probably talk before then.
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But if we don't, certainly wanted to get that covered
as well.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Okay, thank you very much, same to everyone there within
in the station.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Ralph Reef joining us.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Joel Erickson is, of course the Colt speedwriter for the
Indianapolis Star. He joins us on the Java House Peel
and Poor Guest line. Java House Jake twenty five is
the discount code twenty five percent off all of your
peel and port beverages, including the Wrangler Energy, the Liquid
Science Hydration, and as well the Colombian Coffee, which I
particularly love. Let's get right to this, Joel. From an
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injury standpoint, Bernard Ryman, I will begin with that elbow
is all I know, and we all have two of them.
Where do things stand? With Bernard Ryman, and do we
know any more specifically what may be wrong.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
No, we don't know anything more specifically. We're kind of
on a weird week here where this is Wednesday, and
normally we should have updated information, but for the Colds,
it's technically Tuesday since they're playing on Monday. So this
is one of those weird ones where every day kind
of feels a little bit off because you're doing stuff.
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You're doing stuff a day late.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
But the last I saw.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
Of Ryman he walking out of the locker room and
using only his left hand but to carry stuff, everything
like that, as you'd expect after.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Suffering an elbow injury.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
But Shane's iking didn't rule him out, so we'll just
kind of see how things go when they get into
practice tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Jill, I thought you asked, and I believe it was
you that asked the question, and I want to get
into this the I totally understand it. You know the
Philip Rivers and you know Anthony Richardson. Now being back,
I'm confused by this and I want you to paraphrase
for folks, how exactly did you ask the question to
Shane Stike and regarding Anthony Richardson and his availability or
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lack thereof.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
I believe I.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Said something along the lines of, you know, for those
of us who don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
What's what's what makes it?
Speaker 7 (33:03):
The difference between you know, Anthony Richardson not really playing
football for two months versus Philip Rivers not playing for.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Four and a half or five years.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
And really he said, it just comes down to the
fact that Richardson is coming off of injury. My understanding
is he's clear to do physical activity, but that doesn't
necessarily mean he's ready to practice that kind of thing.
Obviously a very serious eye injury. But yeah, that's that's
kind of that's kind of what we're trying to get at.
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Was just, you know, obviously two months off is not
the same as five years off. But you know, Shane
Stikeen was like, the difference of the fact that that
Richardson was injured.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
What I found peculiar.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
And I want you, Joel, you were there, Okay, I
want you to tell me if I'm wrong in this.
To me, it would have been very easy for Shane
Steichen to simply say, look, every injury is different, and
while he has been cleared to practice, we still have
to be very cautious because it was an orbital bone
of full contact, and so we will temper that as
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it goes.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I think people go okay.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
But when he repeatedly kept saying like, you know, physical
activity or I can't remember the exact wording that he used,
but basically insinuating he's got to get back into football shape.
And I'm thinking, yeah, but you're comparing it to a
guy that's twenty years older and hasn't played literally in
a half a decade. To me, what I'm getting at
is this, and I want you to tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
You were there.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It sounded to me like Shane Steichen was basically coming
up with any reason he could to essentially say, because
I'm done with the guy. I don't dislike him as
a person. I don't dislike him as a player. I
just distrust him as a quarterback, and I'm going to
go elsewhere. That's what I heard.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
My understanding is that there are physical, you know issues.
I agree with you generally the answer you laid out,
it does feel like it would be easy. I mean,
I think three years, isn't that we know that legend.
We don't always get an explanation quite like that from Shane.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
By the way, Joel, this is you know, it's a
wonderful time of year, right, you know, I mean Andy
Williams said it's the most wonderful.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Time of the year.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And in one of the things that's fun about it,
you know, you have kids, and you know, you wake
up here in a little over a week or whatever
it might be, and there's gifts under the tree and
it's fun, right, and there's you know, stuff hanging in
this from the fireplace, and oranges in it and candy
in it and the whole deal. I'm just curious. It's
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my understanding. It's my understanding. Did you happen to get
any sort of a porch visit in the middle of
the night of Late.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
The Beer Fairy? Well, like one of the Beer Fairy's
best runs ever, I think, really yeah, Well, you know,
you know, I don't know if the listeners know this,
that the Beer Fery has ways of sort of making
requests for wondering whether or not, you know, if I'm
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craving anything, and sometimes it stuff's out and sometimes it's not.
But I got exactly, I got exactly what I asked
for on my list.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Listen the beer Faery. The Beer Fairy is, I know,
and for those that don't know, the beer Faery is.
And I actually I've never actually divulged.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
This, but I will, Joel, I'll tell you this real quick.
You're ready.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yes, many moons ago, I was but a younger lad
and I was I was living in Saint Louis.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Actually okay, true story.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
And my car got stolen in Saint Louis, also a
true story. And because my car was stolen, and during
the time between when my car was stolen and when
I could get a new car, I took public transportation,
no problem, right. And I was one day on the
King's Highway late at night, late at night. The only
light illuminating the interior of this old bus that I
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was riding was that of one of the Greasy Spoon
diners there on King's Highway in Saint Louis. And through
the flicker of the Greasy Spoon diner, I could see
within the bus the glistening of some sort of almost
like a like a dust. And I heard but of
a whimper, and I realized it was the Beer Faery.
Beer Fery was making a run now in Saint Louis.
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The beer Fairy has a bit of a monopoly because
Aneer Bush runs everything right, so not a hard gig
for the beer Faery. So the beer faery was telling
me how because everybody in Saint Louis already has Anheuser
Busch stuff, not a lot of use or work for
the beer Faery. So we became friends, and the beer
Fery occasionally will ask me if I know of people
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that may need help from the beer Faery, and so
I have facilitated those conversations, and the beer Faery is
very eager to please. And so I asked you on
the air if there was anything you like, and I
think and I passed it along to the beer Faery.
My understanding is the beer faery works very hard to accommodate.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
I just just an incredible, an incredible run, you know,
and you will enjoy this as well. I am planning
to sit down and sample the tail wagger ambers that
came as I continue to read John U. Bacon's latest book,
you know what it is? I noticed to the topic
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that they interest you as.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Well, John you Bacon's latest book. You know.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I did read a book from Johnya Cheddar which is
from the same category as Johnny Bacon's. But I don't
know the book of which he speaks, So go ahead.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
The Gales of November.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Oh hell yeah. I should have known this, Yes, and
I got I got news for you. It leaves you
with a sinking feeling. Just so you know, I do
know how the book ends. Uh, this is the Tale
of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Correct, this is the Tale of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yes, Joel, I have already had anniversary. Listen.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I've always had beef with Gordon Lightfoot, Okay, because Gordon
Lightfoot in his song saying it says and the record
of the Edvan Fitzgerald, he says, the church bell chimed.
It chimed twenty nine times for each man on the
Edmon Fitzgerald. And I've always had beef with that because
it actually chimed twenty nine times, once for each man
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on the ed Mif Fitzgerald.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
The way that he does it indicates that it's.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Twenty nine per person, right, and twenty nine times twenty
nine would be what some eight hundred and forty two
something like that. It didn't chime that many.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Times, just chiming.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
Yeah, that's right, Gordon, that's an excellent point.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Gordon, a little sloppy by the way. Gordon Lightfoot also
wrote sundown about the woman that was his mistress at
the time who later went on to become the mistress
that was with John Beluci on the ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
But that's a different talk show.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
But I'm glad that I'm glad you're going to enjoy
your beer while you read your book, and the beer
fairy is happy to know that the beer Fairy had
a good delivery. Now let's get back to this in
terms of delivery for the cult, do you feel Philip
Rivers delivered and do you think Shane Steiken delivered the
right game plan for him?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
It was the right game plan for that game.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Rivers executed honestly better than I thought he would in
terms of how many capasses he completed for that game.
Like I said, it's the right one because that's that
defense picks off a lot of passes.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
They sacked quarterback a lot.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Ultimately, though, it ended up to me just sort of
highlighting how the predicament the Colts are in without Daniel
Jones as the starting quarterback, because if you have to
run that sort of game plan where you need just
you need everything to go just perfectly.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
It's it's just not a way to make the it's
not a way to make the playoffs. But here's the thing.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Like when you're down to your number three quarterback and
you're calling in Philip Rivers from you know, Fairhope, Alabama
to do it, that's that's kind of the spot you're in.
And that would be true if it was Riley Leonard.
That would be true if it was smelling air. Just
whenever you get to your number three option at quarterback
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in the NFL, you're at a bad spot.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
If they Okay, and I don't know this answer, Joel.
If the Colts were to lose Monday Night to San Francisco,
not saying it's going to happen, but if they were
to lose Monday Night to San Francisco, in other words,
there is no chance they are eliminated from the postseason mathematically.
As a matter of fact, they would not. The latest
game in which they would be eliminated would be going
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into Week seventeen.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Am I correct?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I think so? I think so.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
So that gives them because the reason I ask, if
they are eliminated from the postseason, do we assume that
that means Philip Rivers then hops arrived with the beer
ferry back to Alabama.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
That is a fantastic question. I would think so, but
I don't.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
But also, Philip Rivers is you know a guy who
duty and honor that stuff, So maybe you would stick around.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
But yes, I would think. I would think if they
got eliminated, that would be the end of it.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Once they're eliminated, they don't have and I hate to
say this because he's a good dude, but they don't
have any use for him at that point because at
that point you have two quarterbacks that you have to
see something from.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 7 (42:19):
I think if you're eliminated from the playoffs, the changes
the equation entirely.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
And so yeah, that's that's kind of expecting.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
But you know, I've I've been wrong about this cult
team a few times this year, and so I'm making
me hedge my bets.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
But by the way, have you ever listened to Joel
speaking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Have you ever listened to
the radio transmission of the captain that was in the
ship that they asked to go back and check on
the Fitzgerald?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yes, I have.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
I don't mean to make light of this. I mean
it was fifty years ago. There are still obviously fait,
you know. I mean, I would imagine many of the
men that perished have kids that are rotten my age now.
But I don't know that I've ever heard of radio
transmission of a dude that less wanted to do what
he was being asked than that guy, right, And I
don't blame him, right, but but he literally is like, oh,
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I don't know, the city's pretty large out there. I
mean you could tell this guy was sitting down with
a book and a delivery from the beer faery and
had zero interest.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Correct, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's definitely there.
Speaker 7 (43:23):
There's a there's a there's a piece I'm only like
one hundred and something pages in right now, but there's
a piece about like a rescue from one of the
other freighters that went down before the fits, and it's
the rescue sounds almost as bad as a thinking if that.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Oh, it had to have been treacherous as can be. Right.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I mean, this guy, and I'll give him credit. I mean,
the Captain Anderson I think is his name. He is,
he was the ship that was and I believe he
was in front of the Fitzgerald if I'm not mistaken,
but he when they radioed to him, you know, they're like, hey,
can you turn around and go back? And he I
mean I think ultimately he did do so. Actually, and
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it wasn't that he but he was just saying like, look,
this is literally the worst we've ever seen. I mean,
he was like, there is holding her own there and
then he wanted no part of it.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Man, you could tell. I mean it's kind of haunting actually.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
The waves, the waves and everything.
Speaker 7 (44:22):
So obviously being from Wisconsin, I've been by you know,
get you Gooty and by Lake Michigan quite a bit,
but I've never.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Been on them.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
And the waves out out where it's you know, where
you have a freighter going in the Great Lakes can
be can be pretty intense. And I can't imagine trying
to you know, like one of the haunting things from
the book so far as they say those freighters were
so long that like the front of the freighter could
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be in one wave and the back of the way
the freighter could be in the other wave, and the
middle is just suspended above the water, which it is terrisfying.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah, well, I don't know if you know this or not,
but the waves turn the minutes to ours now and
the Edmund Fitzgerald Joel true true story. The Edmund Fitzgerald,
if you had stood it upright, was taller than the
Salesforce Tower in Indianapolis. That's how long it was. I
mean that gives you an idea how big it was
all right before we let you go. Just kind of overall,
you know, if you could coming off of this game.
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There just kind of seems to be this unknown about
the Colts speak. And we'll get into it a later time.
Whether or not Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are back
we can get you know, with the the injuries themselves.
You know, Mooney Ward, I have real question about whether
or not he comes back next year, but that remains
to be seen. Right other players, you wonder if they
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come back in terms of the health status right now
of players for availability that could be working their back
their way back in or miss the game against San Francisco.
Run down for me those players, and then run down
for me what you anticipate seeing, if anything different in
terms of their use of philip rivers from what we
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saw against Seattle.
Speaker 7 (46:07):
Yeah, I think the big the big tooth that stick
out in my mind are the Forest Buckner who practiced
last week but wasn't able to go.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
You know, if you can get him back, that helps.
Speaker 7 (46:19):
I mean, this past rush has has only has two
secs in the last three weeks. I don't know that
you're going to get Buckner the full the Forest Buckner
coming off of this injury, but but he.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Would still he would still help.
Speaker 7 (46:34):
And then I'm also very curious to find out does
Sauce Gardner uh start to make his way back from
the calf He's been out a couple of weeks now.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I don't know that the.
Speaker 7 (46:44):
Calf strains are obviously tricky, and I think if you
watch NBA basketball, you're aware that those things kind to linger.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
So maybe we don't feed him.
Speaker 7 (46:51):
But the other one that could help considerably for this
team in terms of injury.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
And then and then the other one that.
Speaker 7 (46:59):
You do they have their left tackle because this is
a this is a forty nine ers team that does
not rush the passer well at all. This season, they
were thirty second sacks or thirty sorry, thirty second sack sack. Great,
They're thirty first in pressure rate. They only have sixteen
sacks on the season. Their lead guy has four. But
that kind of evens out if you're going to get
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the two backup tackles instead of against Bernard Ryman and
Jalen Travis. So I think that's the other one, that
there's those three right there would really really change I
think the picture a little bit. And then in terms
of rivers, like how many how many of those back
shoulders does his arms having them?
Speaker 1 (47:37):
That's mine And I mean didn't Seattle kind of to
me Joel and I didn't mean to cut you off there,
but but yes, because Seattle, I think kind of wanted to.
They kind of let him do, like, Okay, let's see
what you got here, right, And then once they kind
of had an idea, then they were able to kind
of push forward. They knew they didn't have to drop
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several back. They could spy on Taylor that way, they
didn't have to blitz because they didn't want Taylor running
through a blitz because they just kind of sat back
and that and Indianapolis could not.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Move the ball. So did they put the blueprint there
for San Francisco?
Speaker 7 (48:11):
Yeah, it's I mean, if you're if you're Robert taller,
you're thinking, I got to move my guys forward.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
The other thing that's.
Speaker 7 (48:18):
Interesting is that San Francisco's defense this year essentially is
allowing teams to just do what Rivers did. Essentially, they're
just letting teams through a complete a lot of passes
and throw short. They've given up a very high completion percentage,
but they haven't given up that many points because they're
incredible in the red zone. So and and then you
(48:41):
figure out, can they move them forward a little bit
not have to worry about say like if you have
a different quarterback in this game, then you are terrified
by peers getting over.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
The top on you.
Speaker 7 (48:50):
You're probably not worried about that, right, But their style,
their style of play is sort of to to let
you do what Rivers was doing last week and into
this can't take advantage of it and let you not
score enough points on your drives and then you end
up losing.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Okay, Joel, before I let you go, because the wires
are getting stepped on again here and it's your voices
look like right there, you're a little giggle.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
It's it's it's fun, right.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Uh So if you could and I'll give you dealers
you know, or not dealers, but recipient's choice. We need
you to either say, follow the yellow brick road we
represent the Lollipop Guild, or declare that the witch is dead.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Whichever one you'd.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Like, follow the yellow brick roads.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
Now, did you alter your voice in doing that in
any way, shape or form.
Speaker 7 (49:48):
No, no, and I don't and I don't know what
just happened on the other end, So I'm mystified.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
We'll send it to you. I assumed it was gonna
play me in the next time, have my mind.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Listen? Can he do it one more time?
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Bottle the yellow brick Road?
Speaker 1 (50:14):
All right, Joe, we'll let you. We'll let you go
down the yellow brick Road. I appreciate it as always
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