August 11, 2025 • 38 mins
Today’s Best of Features:
(00:00-14:12) – ESPN analyst Dan Orlovksy joins Jake Query to explain what went wrong on the play that led to Anthony Richardson’s dislocated pinkie, hopes that the play can be utilized as a learning experience so that he understands that has to get the protections right or the offense will fail, believes that the Colts would be “okay” with Daniel Jones starting, and provides his opinion on how many weeks they need to stick with the week one starter before discussing a change.
(14:12-38:52) – The Dean, Mike Chappell, from CBS4 and FOX59 makes his weekly visit on the program to provide his take on where things are at right now with the Colts quarterback competition. Predicts that Bernhard Raimann will be the next player to go up on the side of Lucas Oil Stadium, credits Laiatu Latu for stringing together good days in training camp and cautions Colts fans on the territory that the franchise is heading towards.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I thought it was interesting that Dan Arrolofsky, who obviously
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knows the position well and does an outstanding job on
ESPN of articulating the quarterback position and just kind of
what you can look for how to call him where
He lists the seven traits of an NFL quarterback, and
Dan Arlovsky in doing so, you know, things like pocket presence, footwork,
arm strength. There's no Colts quarterback mentioned. And I don't
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mean that as an indictment on Arlovsky at all. I
think that speaks to the mediocrity that the Colts may
be stuck in at the quarterbacking spot. But wanted to
talk to him about that and more. Of course, he
needs little introduction in the city of Indianapolis, but I'll
do it. Nonetheless, he is with ESPN now and Dan
Arlofsky joins us on the program. Dan, how are you man?
I appreciate the time.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, good to be with you. I'm doing great. How
about yourself?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
No complaints, man, except for and I guess this is
a good thing. It gives us plenty of talk to
talk about an Indie. But we still just don't know
where the Colts are at the quarterbacking spot. So I'm
going to begin with this question point blank, and that is,
if you are in year three when it comes to
Anthony Richardson and I know the tantalizing upside, and we've
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seen the glimpses of it, Dan, but you know this
position and you've played it. If you're in year three
and you still don't know exactly who a guy is,
does that actually tell you that you know exactly who
the guy is?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I think more often than not my answer would be yes.
But the kind of asterisks in this situation is just
a playing time, like he just hasn't played enough, you know.
And so there's guys that are in year three and
they've you know, started almost every game and played a
ton of snaps, and there hasn't been a ton of
growth indoor development. For Anthony. It's you're still sitting there going,
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can I string together you know, five, six, seven, eight
starts in a row type of thing, and that hasn't
really happened. And so I think that's the continues to
be the maddening thing. And that's probably one of the
things that was maddening, you know, coming off of the
game the other day. You know, he gets hurt, and
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he gets hurt in part because is completely in tune
to some of the things that are going on and
instead of getting him two three series and some meaningful
work and you know, maybe some upside and hope you're
sitting there with, you know, an unanswered question once again.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You know that I want to go back to this,
Dan dan Arlovsky, our guest, the play in which Anthony
Richardson was heard, and you know, so many people that
play the quarterback position or played it look at it
and say, guys, this is like football one oh one.
You learn this like in late high school, of this
recognition of a defense. It is that accurate. I mean,
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you played the position. Take me through that particular play
or just the level of were you incredulous over the
fact he didn't recognize it?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So yeah, I think there is a reality that it
is a simple thing when it comes to the understanding
us that when I rewind the tape and I slow
it down and it takes three minutes for me to
show kind of what's happening, there is a simplicity to that.
When we're in a meeting room and we're going over
on a board, there's a simplicity to it. There is
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also a very difficult element of he's got to see
kind of both sides of the field happening at once.
So while there is a the truth to Anthony like, yes,
there there's a simple thing that we should know what
the problem is, also understanding that and then executing the
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answer to that there is a challenge to do. I
believe every started quarterback in the NFL should be capable
of doing that. Yes, Like when he's sitting there and
it's clear what the protection is, it's clear who's got
where the offensive line is going. I mean, he looks
to his left because he's expecting that guy to be
the problem. I can understand that point of it, but
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it's also telling me that you don't think the guy
on the opposite side or Anthony's right, is a problem.
And so it tells me, like, you know step one,
what it also tells me is you're not thinking about
step two or step three. That for me is still
a problem. Yes, I think for Shane Steichen that's still
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a problem because you've got to be able to trust
the guy. This isn't you know, Like I was trying
to think about it in this regard, guys, if everyone
can close their eyes and think back to the AFC
Championship Game last year, the fourth down, flakeball, Josh Allen
runs for his life, Kansas City brings the blitz and
in the bulk incomplete, and the Bills don't get to
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Super Bowl. This isn't that. That is what I call
star wars, where you're like, hey, you're gonna get that
one out of ten times, this is one where Shane's
got to its first down. He's making a simple play call.
We should as a quarterback be able to handle that
problem and know that problem. So it's frustrating that he
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doesn't know it. Yes, I'm not telling everybody it's easy
to actually go and get done, because I think seeing
both sides it's hard. It's hard. But he's telling me
he doesn't even know he needs to see both sides.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And that's the thing to me and Dan Aarlovski, our
guest Dan, I want to be clear here, I don't
I don't know Anthony Richardson on a personal level. I
have no reason to believe he's anything other than a
nice None of none of the critique of him as
a football player has anything to do with what I
think of him as a person. Right, I don't that's
unfair of me, sure, but I'm curious of this, and
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I want you to opine here. You played, you know,
big time college football at Connecticut, you played in the NFL.
I'm assuming you, dan Arlovsky, probably through the majority of
high school, were the best player on the field when
you walked out there because you played in the NFL. Right,
So I mean like I'm assuming, so let me ask.
Let me begin with this question, what level were you
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when you realized you were no longer automatically the best
player at practice.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I probably always thought that way, just because I was
never Anthony so athletically gifted. I was never that so
I kind of always had that element to my game.
But certainly, you know, when I was at Yukon and
realizing to win and to play the level I there
had to be an understanding of the game for me,
that was just so such a necessity for me to
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play the style that I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So the reason I ask it, and then you can
tell me if it's the dumbest, you know, Freudian thing
you've ever heard, But I'm just so fascinated by at
no fault of his. If Anthony Richardson is almost too
late to the game of trying to learn the game
because he didn't have to before, because he did have
those natural gifts for further along in his career that
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separated him than most players have.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Not too late, not by any means. It's by no
means is it too late. You know. I think a
lot of like physically just unique talented athletes go through
this at some juncture where they're so physically gifted that
there are parts of their game that don't get the
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attention that are necessary for them to become what that
talent allows or should allow them to become. Patrick Mahomes,
I mean, I was with Matthew Stafford. He's so physically
gifted that other parts of his game it just took
time for that to get there. Anthony hasn't always had
to know what the hot route is or how to
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handle protections, one because he didn't have to do it
a ton in college. And then two he's always been
able to athletically make a player run away from somebody. Shoot,
I'll go to this, guys, Jayden Daniels. Last year there
were time were like Washington would wouldn't even oh, like
an NFL protection We pull full slides where just everybody
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off in the offensive line goes to the right and
Jada would have to handle the other guy. The thing
with Jayden is Jada knew that one guy was the problem,
and so like it wasn't like he was at you know,
the line of scrimmage being a Peyton Manning or Drew
Brees or a Brady fixing all the problems. He just
knew what the problem was. And so I do think
that Anthony's gotten by athletically, but you want to see
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him and you it's going to be needed and demanded.
And I would say like this, Gary Kubiak was great
coach in Kyle Shanahan both were coaches of mine, and
they were great to get the quarterbacks to understand everybody's
relying on you to know this, It's not just for
you to play good. Everybody is relying on you to
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be the problem solver. Everyone, the players, the coaches, the
people in the building. And I've said that about Anthony,
and I'm not overreacting to one play, but it is
it is a hopefully another step in an eye opener
of like, hey man, we do we need you to
really get this because if we can't call this on
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first and ten. It's either we can't call our offense
or we need a different quarterback running.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
It is that different quarterback, Daniel Jones. Has Daniel Jones
shown you Dan so far? And I know that Daniel
Jones is new to Indianapolis and he's got to learn
that offense and those cadences as well. But have you
seen anything from him that shows glimpse that, you know what?
They're gonna be okay? If it doesn't work out with Richardson,
I think they.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Would be okay. Sure, I don't think anybody wants that,
you know, I don't think the roster is set up
for that. And hopes. I thought Daniel looked sharp. I
did you know? Daniel's not perfect either. Daniel has struggled
with kind of the same stuff, you know, handling pressures
or diagnosing pressures. You know, I think that's kind of
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why I what I when I brought up to a
d and Tyler Warren stuff was. You know, at some
point it does become like what quarterback do you right now,
like in this very moment today, what quarterback do you
believe gets those playmakers the ball more consistently? You can
make the case in s Daniel like you can at
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least the young talented guys are going to get the ball,
you know, and so Daniel looks sharp to me. I
really believe that I'm not going to sit here and
tell anybody that, you know, Daniel Jones is gonna, you know,
be the starting quarterback and have a Sam Darnold type
of year. I think they he would keep them afloat,
but he doesn't have the the nearly the potential of
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what Anthony does.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Do they need to at some point and obviously I
know the answer to this that you know realistically logistically
dan ar Lobsky is our guest from ESPN. Do the
Colts though, need to come out even if they aren't
certain on which it is, just for the sake of
clarity in the NFL? Do you have to come out
at some point and say this is our guy, this
is who we're staying by and barring injury, he is
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the guy. Because of the old adage that if you
have two quarterbacks you have none, do they need to
just push in or can they kind of go and
work their massage this through the first quarter of the year.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, I think that you would preferably have your quarterback
their started decided after week two of the preseason. I
think this could be a case where it might get
to week three. I whoever wins that initial quarterback competition,
I think they get like four to six weeks and
it's either going well and working or it isn't. Because
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if you go with Anthony and it's it's you know,
going well, great, and if it's not going at some point,
you know, there's just the reality of like having to
go win games, you know, and everyone else you know,
doing right by the locker room. And if you go
with Daniel and you know it's struggling the talent, you're
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only going to be able to keep on the bench
for so long. So I think whoever you know wins
that initial race is you give them four to six
weeks and it's very clear, like, hey, this is the
opportunity and it's just the way it shakes out.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Dani Arlovsky our guest. One other thing, Dan, I appreciate
your time. I know you're a busy guy. I did
want to get this from you. Of the thirty two
quarterbacks that start in the NFL, how many of them
truly do have that computer mind where they walk up
and instantly can recognize a defensive stuff or whatever it
might be. I mean theoretically, because we're here in Indianapolis
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and we're saying, look Andrew luck at it, Peyton Manning
had okay, well, I mean yeah, two of the biggest
savants of all time. Realistically, in your opinion, Dan Arrolofsky,
you played in the NFL, nind that we're at Anthony
Richardson or Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
To be right now, I'd probably give you twelve to fourteen.
You know, easily comfortably that are that are capable of
on a consistent basis handling all that stuff and you know,
fixing the problem and and knowing what the problem is
and fixing it. Twelve to fourteen at a minimum would
be my answer.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And is that pretty either part for the course, I mean,
are we in like a dry period or is it
at any time? Is that realistically what you're looking you know,
a third of the league.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Basically, Yeah, I think I would say that's probably consistently
what it is. You know, it depends on you know,
obviously how many rookies are playing and with style of offenses.
But I think you know, you're talking probably closer to
half of the league. Truly being consistently capable of handling
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that again.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
The article right now up at espn dot com ranking
NFL quarterbacks by trade, best, arm accuracy and more from
Dan Arlovsky breaking down arm strength, ball placement, mechanics, decision making,
pocket presence, rushing ability, second reaction, all of it. Great breakdown, Dan,
Appreciate the time, and you got to get in there,
but certainly appreciate you're letting us chat you up today
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and really good perspective.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Thanks, Bud. I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I appreciate it, Dan ar Lofski joining us from ESPN,
really good stuff. Joining us now on the program. Of
course you hear them each and every week from WXI
in Fox fifty nine and CBS four. Mike Chapel is
the dean of writers covering the Indianapolis Coltson Chapel, let's
get right to the quarterback situation, which will be the
dominant conversation over the season. Feels like again, and this
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is what is an enigma to me. The quarterback battle
right now in Indianapolis feels like when you're at a
game and they have that thing where they're like, okay,
we're going to do on the video board, the little
race between the red ball and the blue ball, and
they intentionally one goes. You know, it's back and forth,
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back and forth. It feels like neither one of these
guys wants to reach out and snag this thing. I
set critically.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It seems like neither one is capable of it, not
that they don't want to. So depending on so what
we're putting the hairs on terminology, uh, I don't know,
you know, it could very well be the in the
meeting rooms that change Dyke and Chris Battlet says, yeah,
it's this guy. It is. It's unless this guy gets
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something worse than a dislocated pinky. Uh, I don't you know.
And again with with the joint practice on Thursday and
the game on Saturday, it's going to give them a
ton of information for their information. But gosh, I think
they really in there gets know what they want. I
just do so I don't know. And whether or not
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they won't make their decision after this week, I would
like to think so. Although again, like you say, the
two little horses on the thing are neither one is
pulled ahead or following behind. This isn't where you want
to be there's no way you put a good spin
on this. And hey, you know they're both competing and this,
well that's not you know, that's not what you want.
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You want somebody to be your guy, Cleveland. They're they're
going crazy or should ur Sanders. That's going to be
one of the dumbest media inventions of all time. That
he's first round baking. Now he's not. So we'll see.
But in our world, I don't know where they are.
I think in my heart that they know what's going
to happen, I really do, But when will they tell us,
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when will they share it? I don't know. It would
behoove both players to play well against the Packers both
Thursday and Saturday, just to give them more information if
more information is needed.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, the the thing about and I guess Chap We've
said this a lot. Right with Richardson, it just feels
like you would If you don't go with Richardson, it
feels like you're going to constantly wonder what you might
be missing out on because you've seen just the glimpses.
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And if you don't go with Jones, it feels like
you are going to feel like you're missing out on
stability because he's just a little bit more. Does that
make sense what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, it's and we talked about all the time on
the sidelines when we get board watching practice is it's
it's it's floor versus ceiling.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Jones gives you what you think is a is a gosh,
a winnable, winnable floor maybe, but not not a ceiling
that you can really do something. And with richeson his
floor could really be bad low. But boy, his ceiling
is it could be something special. The problem that I'm
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having continually buying into the ceiling thing is I've only
got two seasons of information, as I'd say three, go
back to Florida thirteen starts. Uh, and I there's there's
very little there when you get when you get past
the wild plays, and there are a ton of wild
plays there are, and the NFL is about wow plays,
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but it's also about moving the chains and being really
good fifty I remember Manning was and his those guys
are like fifty percent on third downs. They just stayed
on the field. Uh. And I don't know. I think
Jones gives you that. I'm not sure Richardson gives you that.
So I don't know. I again, I I defaulted the
fact that this is not where you want to be
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with the the opener a couple of weeks away, and
and neither guy has either wanted or lost it, and
you need more information. If you need more information, So
I you see, you see snippets in practice, although I've
got to say with with Jones, you really don't see. Wow,
you know that that was that was a throw. Otherwise
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it was funny yesterday one of the big plays Richardson's get.
He's got Alec Pierce one on one with the corner
on the left side deep and he throws that nice
spiral and it's under throne and Pierce goes up and
makes a great catch. Uh. There's still more been wild
plays with with just pure armstrength from Richardson, but we've
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seen that that's not enough.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Who has more plays.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Boy there, Richardson probably, although they both had their share.
Looking at my stats and all of our stature a
little different with me and Kevin Bowen and Joe Erickson.
I've got Richardson at about sixty percent completions and Jones
at about seventy one seventy two percent and so and
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make of those what you will. I mean, it's it's
it's against your own guys, and and and that's eleven
on eleven. It's when there I can play in almost football.
So I don't know if I if I could get
fifty eight percent from Richardson and still get the other stuff,
I would be it overheels six static chap.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I made this mention a couple of times I have,
but you've you know, you've been in the market, and
so I want you to tell me if this makes sense.
As I watched Anthony Richardson in that pinky play, I
harken back to and I know I'm going on the
way back here, but I go with precedent in this market.
I was thinking to myself, I wonder if Anthony Richardson
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is just football Jonathan Bender?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I mean, Jonathan Bender. Eventually the Pacers just had to
punt on it because his body just was not going
to allow him to show what it is that he
could do. And my question for you is this, what
is that ceiling in the NFL? How many games in
years do you give a guy before you finally just
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have to say we got to move on.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Here probably three. I mean, I Chris Powder pushed back
on it, but I I tend to go into the
idea that this this is make or break for richards
I do I believe that, you know what what was
funny too is And I was one of the people
I questioned Shane Steinken for not going with his starting
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offensive line in that game. If you're gonna have Jones
and Richardson out there, then then dog, I don't have
your starters out there. But that wouldn't have matter. That
had nothing to do with him getting hurt. It's something
that he should have seen coming and he didn't. And
then this is like, this is like classic Anthony Richardson.
He didn't just get blown up. He got his finger smashed.
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You know, any other quarterback maybe you just want to
got you know, sad that gets up and say, man,
I messed that one up. He gets a dislocated finger,
because of course he did. I think, boy, after three years,
if you're hanging on after three years, I'm trying to
think what the circumstances would be. Well, he's always hurt.
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What that tells you something, doesn't it? And and if
he and if Jones wins the job this year and
he plays well enough and they're ten and seven or
nine and eight and they're right there, then what have
you got with Richardson? Then you don't know that well,
you know that he couldn't beat out Daniel Jones, and
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that tells you something. So yeah, I think it's I
think if you don't know after three years, then then
what what are you? What are you looking for? And
how much of it is?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Boy?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
We just can't give up on me? Well, at some
point you have to, especially a quarterback, because just dug
on it. When you're waiting on the quarterback to be
the guy, you're wasting. Jonathan Taylor and Quinton Nelson and
the Forrest Buckner and Kennymore and Braden Smith. All these
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guys are getting older. They're not past their prime at all.
But go back to look at what Jacksonville did and
not getting the quarterback right, all the players, Maurice Jones,
Drew Fred Taylor, all these players that are really really good,
and when you can't get the quarterback right, it stunts
the growth of the entire franchise. So three years has
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got to be. It's just I can't imagine the season
coming up not involving a good a good portion of
Anthony Richardson and him playing well and him being here
next year. I just I don't I can't wrap my
head around him being a back I'm going in when
Jones either gets hurt. I don't see how that works.
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That's why I say, I think you start Richardson against
the Dolphins, and you say, let's see what we got.
He stays healthy. He doesn't, but you know, and then
you've got some direction for the franchise.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Chap One of the things Mike Chapel is our guest
here talking about the Coltson notably at this point, Anthony
Richardson in the quarterback situation. I want to be clear
in preface this, Mike, It's going to sound like I'm
really piling on Anthony Richardson, and that's not my intention.
I don't. I have no reason to believe anything other
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than he is a great young guy, a nice kid.
I think his background story is, you know, it's one
of triumph. You know some of the things that not
that he had like this terrible upbringing. But I'm saying,
you know, he didn't grow up with some of the
advantages that young quarterbacks have. But having said all of
that when on the play when he got blown up.
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Here's what jumped out at me is afterwards when he said,
you know, that's just a situation where I got to
mind my p's and q's better, like I should have
recognized that better or whatever else. And when he tapped
out last year and then said I was tired, I'm
not gonna lie to you guys. It wasn't the fact
that he tapped his helmet and was tired and came
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out of the game. It was the fact that he
had the naive to admit it, to admit it, I know,
And I felt like in that situation, I'm like, we're
right back to square one, because if you didn't recognize
a formation that was obvious, that's fine, but don't admit it, Like,
don't come out and say and maybe we should applaud
the transparency, but at the same time, it just shows
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a lack of fundamental growth of the expectation and understanding
of what the position encompasses. Now, am I being way
too critical?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think in the situation where he just didn't recognize
the blitz, I think he had to say, man, I
really watched that one, because you got Kurt Warner saying it,
Chase Daniel saying it, Daniel Orlowski's saying it that this
is a fundamental play. Cam Turner, his posician, he coach, said, yeah,
there's a basic play, and you learn from your mistakes.
H you shouldn't make those mistakes in year three. And
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never mind that he's I think I saw he's twenty
three and he would have been the youngest quarterback. Great,
he would have been young. I think he's a little
bit younger than cam Ward taking number one overall this year.
That's we can't you know, and I try. I got
to remind myself not to use that as excuses. I
would prefer now the tap out. I would have found
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a way to say, yea, I my head, my head
set was bust whatever. I'd have made something up. I
just would have on the botch play. I think you
have to say, yeah, screwed that one up, Sorry about that,
because I think it would have been worse. That would
have been the cover up, cover up, what would have
been worse than the crime. Uh, But but you can't.
It's he has fair or not. He has used up
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his mulligans.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I think, yeah, that's a good way of saying it.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I just think the excuse is now a d Mitchell.
We watch him. He's still got room and he's still
got some Okay, he's still young and learning, not third
year with the quarterback. And you know, again part of
this la on the team for not being more on
top of him from the start. But at the same time,
then it's him. He's got to grow and understand grasp things.
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And I keep hoping he has or will. I don't know.
And my optimism. My grandson Levi he asked me some
things on the team and he said, you know, I'm
still optimistic. I said, but good for you. Good for you.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I'm not so uh you know, oh to be to
be what I whatever Levi is, thirteen or fourteen.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And live like Levi. Man, live like Levi, right.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, he live like Levi to be picking the top
five next year.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Give me reasons why or Aria's chap where Levi is
the way to think, because there is optimism, give me
the Levi areas. Honestly not. But but if you were
to look at it, now that you have seen some
camp yep, now that you've seen a preseason game, give
me a player or two or an area or two
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where you say to yourself, that is a lot better
than I thought it was going to be a month ago.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Well, and you can't tell it from the opening game
because the starters didn't play. They'll play. They'll play more,
maybe in a quarter or a half on Saturday with
the Packers. But it's a good receiver room it is.
Is it great? No, but it's pretty good. It's pretty good.
Jonathan Taylor's top five in the league. He is. I
think the offensive line is going to be good, I
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really do. I think that the two young kids are
going to play well, and Quentin Nelson's All Pro, and
the tackles are good. The defense I think is going
to be good better, certainly better. So I've said from
the start, I think this is a playoff roster. I
really do. I think this USA today came out and
had him winning four games. I laughed at the guy,
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I thought, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Even if they.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Get crappy quarterback play, they're gonna win more and four games.
But I think it's a playoff roster. But I don't
us to quarterback play, you know. I still think Vegas
is really good to the over under seven and a half,
and if I had to bet two hundred dollars with
my own money, I would have to take the under
because I don't trust the quarterback play. So but no,
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there's a lot of reasons to be optimistic except that
the one. It's like, I can give you five reasons
that this team can be a playoff team, and you
can give me one that they won't be in its quarterback.
So the quarterback can The quarterback can trash a roster.
He can lift the roster, which we've seen with Peyton,
more so with Luck. I think Peyton had a pretty
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dog going good roster rounding Luck not that level at all.
But the quarterback can can drag you down or keep
you from being where you need to be. That's why
you know God lets Levi Chapel. He's got some convincing
to do before I'm on board with him.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
But again, O to be young and naive, give me
the player, chap When you look at the outside of
Lucas Oil Stadium, I believe the Forrest Buckner's up there.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I believe Quentin Nelson's up there. Kenny Moore, I believe
is Moore and JT and Jonathan Taylor Okay, so give
me the player that a year from now. Chris Ballard,
assuming he's still here, and Shane Steichen, assuming he's still here,
are going to look at each other and go, we
need to probably talk to Carli Ersay because you know what,
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can we create a space to put him up there?
Also because he deserves it after the year he had
and he's a monster.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Bernard Rayman Ryman left tackle, left tackle. It's not a
flashy picked, but I would say the left tackle. Taylor's
a receiver. I'd like these receivers. I don't. I don't
like the sight of the building. Like him, not like
t yuh may be mooney Ward, but he need to
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have he needs to have two good years. You just
don't have a good year and get your face, put out,
your body put up there. But of all those guys,
I would say Bernie Ryan and I think he's he's
borderline top ten left tackle. And I've always said, if
you're building a roster, the three priorities are quarterback, left tackle,
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and edge pass rusher. And I would play the left
tackle ahead of a nag rusher because because he ain't
got a left tackle, your quarterback is just paralyzed, so
I wouldn't. I would think the next guy up there
is Bernie. Whether they won't create a fifth, but they
was somebody.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Because are we starting to see steps from Leatu Latu?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
He having a strange camp. I mean, I would rather
be enthused by a guy from training camp in the
same man I didn't know was one play that guy made.
He's in the backfield all the time, and again, I
think this is a decent offense line, so he's really
letting him have it pretty good. I want to see
him as the lights go on and see if those
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near missus door ended up with four sacks or whatever
it was, turns into eight, nine, ten, because that's what
they need. And I think Bernie's Bernie to me is
more of a sure thing than a lot too. But
what we've seen from lat too the best players in camp,
the best players have been Ady Mitchell and lat Too,
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and you could put the two and I wouldn't argue
with you too much, but it's camp. I'm glad to
see Mitchell having a strong camp after last season and
even after his first week which wasn't which was underwhelming,
But those two guys, a lot two has not dominated
from day one on, and I hope that carries over
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into the season.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You know, Jeb, sometimes you can see things right before
your eyes and realize that it's a representation of the
bigger problem or the bigger talking point. And I mentioned
this last week, but I want you to weigh in
and tell me why I'm being too harsh. But when
I think about every franchise in the NFL, and if
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the NFL put an edict on every franchise that said,
you've got to put your four most marquee backbone players
on a building sized mural in your downtown to excite
everybody about your upcoming season, I've got to think that
there are fewer than eight franchises that would not include
their quarterback. I know how indicting is that about where
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the Colts are.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
It is it is that's gotta be. You know, it
shouldn't be a I should say a defensive alignment because
for Structor's good, he's good, But it's got to be
a quarterback, for crying out loud, And that's not because
we were spoiled by meaning luck. I mean, you know,
there's a lot of other franchises they didn't have that
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level of quarterback that they had a good quarterback. It
is an indictment and everyone knows it. And that's why
I think they're clinging. They are clinging to the hope
that Richardson will grow into that guy. I just think
it's the odd they're against it. But yeah, when you
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have four people up there and one on them not
your quarterback, it tells you that you're not where you
need to be as a franchise.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Who do you think is the most average quarterback in
the NFL? And by that I mean I don't mean
that as a bad thing. Give me the Honda Civic
of quarterbacks. The guy that's like, you know what, there's
nothing flashy about it, but solid, gonna do what you
need him to do, going to get you where you
need to go. Probably isn't ever going to break one
hundred and twenty miles an hour, but also is never
going to break down on the side of the road
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and leave you completely hapless. Just solid, but you know
you need some other bells and whistles and options put
on it for it to be a truly likable car.
But perfect sufficient.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Well, you're shooting me a heads up. A Geno Smith
type guy.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
That is exactly who I was thinking of, exactly who
I was thinking of.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Sam Darnold. Uh and those dire reclamation projects, right they are.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
And that's why I wonder if Anthony Richardson is Anthony
Richardson the next GENO Smith unfortunately meeting that he's not
doing it for the franchise that drafted him.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's what I'm saying, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, those guys,
the guys we mentioned, they emerged elsewhere. Baker Mayfield, now,
Baker Mayfield is not pedestrian at all. Uh, He's he's
he's top ten all of a sudden. But that's and
again that's part of the the hesitancy of moving on
is you don't want to see any of your players,
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but you don't root against him if you're the Colts,
but you know, it's not good to see your guy
go somewhere else because you didn't sit here and Denny's
Jerry Hughes didn't work here. He goes to Buffalo and
he was a pretty good pass rusher. Look good for Jerry,
But you really don't want to see a quarterback, you know,
I give up on him after if he's not he
after three years it's because it did not work out.
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But then to see him go somewhere else and do
a Sam Darnold or a Baker Mayfield, it's just crippling
because that means you missed on him in your eyes,
and then you got to replace him. It's hard enough
to replace a lot, It's hard enough to replace Castanjo
Freeney Mathis boy. You replace your quarterback no one. You're
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not going to get Andrew Rucker Peyton, but you've not
got anything even remotely reliable. Uh, it just cripples you.
I've always said the worst thing in the NFL personnel
wise is to chase mistakes. It just because it's you
need a left tackles. Instead of getting the pass rusher,
you have to get a left tackle. And with the quarterback. Again,
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look a look at all the guys. Tennessee's tried, and
Jackville's tried, and the Jets have tried, and and when
you can't, when you don't get it, it just stunks
the growth of everything. And then not only do the
stunt to growth, you're still chasing the guy. So that's
why part of why it really needs to be Richardson,
because because if it's not, then you're looking at a
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rebuild that might be two or three years. You think
the fan base is ready for that.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I don't Forty three and twenty yards passing, seventy point
four percent completion percentage, twenty one touchdowns and fifteen picks,
an additional two hundred and seventy two yards on the
ground and two rushing touchdowns. That was Gino Smith a
year ago. If Anthony Richardson does that this year, put
them on the side of the JW.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Marriott Right, yeah, with velcro so you could take them
down when he get hurt.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
No, but you're right there, Velcroz what he's made of, Chap.
That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
You don't have to you don't have to have an
all pro season. You know, four thousand yards would be
great in a seventeen game season. But Doug Gune, just
be through your job, make those six, eight, ten plays
when you've got to make, and then and then see
what happens. Because again, this is a good team. This
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isn't Homers, and this is look at the roster, it's
the good roster. But like I said, five reasons they
can do it is trump by the one reason that
they can't do it, and it's all about the quarterback,
like it or not, and it will be the rest
of the season. It just will be.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Put them up in velcrow. Mike Chapel says, all right,
the Colts getting set afternoon practice today. JMV is going
to be out there by the way, and then the
Green Bay Packers that is the next preseason game, joint
practice on Thursday. Is that right with the Packers?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yep, yeah, afternoon yep.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
All right, chap I'll let you get to it, man.
I appreciate the time, as.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Always say, in touch guys.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
All right, Mike Chapel joining US w x I, N, Fox,
mcton nine and CBS four.
I thought it was interesting that Dan Arrolofsky, who obviously
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knows the position well and does an outstanding job on
ESPN of articulating the quarterback position and just kind of
what you can look for how to call him where
He lists the seven traits of an NFL quarterback, and
Dan Arlovsky in doing so, you know, things like pocket presence, footwork,
arm strength. There's no Colts quarterback mentioned. And I don't
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mean that as an indictment on Arlovsky at all. I
think that speaks to the mediocrity that the Colts may
be stuck in at the quarterbacking spot. But wanted to
talk to him about that and more. Of course, he
needs little introduction in the city of Indianapolis, but I'll
do it. Nonetheless, he is with ESPN now and Dan
Arlofsky joins us on the program. Dan, how are you man?
I appreciate the time.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, good to be with you. I'm doing great. How
about yourself?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
No complaints, man, except for and I guess this is
a good thing. It gives us plenty of talk to
talk about an Indie. But we still just don't know
where the Colts are at the quarterbacking spot. So I'm
going to begin with this question point blank, and that is,
if you are in year three when it comes to
Anthony Richardson and I know the tantalizing upside, and we've
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seen the glimpses of it, Dan, but you know this
position and you've played it. If you're in year three
and you still don't know exactly who a guy is,
does that actually tell you that you know exactly who
the guy is?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I think more often than not my answer would be yes.
But the kind of asterisks in this situation is just
a playing time, like he just hasn't played enough, you know.
And so there's guys that are in year three and
they've you know, started almost every game and played a
ton of snaps, and there hasn't been a ton of
growth indoor development. For Anthony. It's you're still sitting there going,
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can I string together you know, five, six, seven, eight
starts in a row type of thing, and that hasn't
really happened. And so I think that's the continues to
be the maddening thing. And that's probably one of the
things that was maddening, you know, coming off of the
game the other day. You know, he gets hurt, and
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he gets hurt in part because is completely in tune
to some of the things that are going on and
instead of getting him two three series and some meaningful
work and you know, maybe some upside and hope you're
sitting there with, you know, an unanswered question once again.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You know that I want to go back to this,
Dan dan Arlovsky, our guest, the play in which Anthony
Richardson was heard, and you know, so many people that
play the quarterback position or played it look at it
and say, guys, this is like football one oh one.
You learn this like in late high school, of this
recognition of a defense. It is that accurate. I mean,
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you played the position. Take me through that particular play
or just the level of were you incredulous over the
fact he didn't recognize it?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So yeah, I think there is a reality that it
is a simple thing when it comes to the understanding
us that when I rewind the tape and I slow
it down and it takes three minutes for me to
show kind of what's happening, there is a simplicity to that.
When we're in a meeting room and we're going over
on a board, there's a simplicity to it. There is
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also a very difficult element of he's got to see
kind of both sides of the field happening at once.
So while there is a the truth to Anthony like, yes,
there there's a simple thing that we should know what
the problem is, also understanding that and then executing the
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answer to that there is a challenge to do. I
believe every started quarterback in the NFL should be capable
of doing that. Yes, Like when he's sitting there and
it's clear what the protection is, it's clear who's got
where the offensive line is going. I mean, he looks
to his left because he's expecting that guy to be
the problem. I can understand that point of it, but
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it's also telling me that you don't think the guy
on the opposite side or Anthony's right, is a problem.
And so it tells me, like, you know step one,
what it also tells me is you're not thinking about
step two or step three. That for me is still
a problem. Yes, I think for Shane Steichen that's still
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a problem because you've got to be able to trust
the guy. This isn't you know, Like I was trying
to think about it in this regard, guys, if everyone
can close their eyes and think back to the AFC
Championship Game last year, the fourth down, flakeball, Josh Allen
runs for his life, Kansas City brings the blitz and
in the bulk incomplete, and the Bills don't get to
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Super Bowl. This isn't that. That is what I call
star wars, where you're like, hey, you're gonna get that
one out of ten times, this is one where Shane's
got to its first down. He's making a simple play call.
We should as a quarterback be able to handle that
problem and know that problem. So it's frustrating that he
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doesn't know it. Yes, I'm not telling everybody it's easy
to actually go and get done, because I think seeing
both sides it's hard. It's hard. But he's telling me
he doesn't even know he needs to see both sides.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And that's the thing to me and Dan Aarlovski, our
guest Dan, I want to be clear here, I don't
I don't know Anthony Richardson on a personal level. I
have no reason to believe he's anything other than a
nice None of none of the critique of him as
a football player has anything to do with what I
think of him as a person. Right, I don't that's
unfair of me, sure, but I'm curious of this, and
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I want you to opine here. You played, you know,
big time college football at Connecticut, you played in the NFL.
I'm assuming you, dan Arlovsky, probably through the majority of
high school, were the best player on the field when
you walked out there because you played in the NFL. Right,
So I mean like I'm assuming, so let me ask.
Let me begin with this question, what level were you
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when you realized you were no longer automatically the best
player at practice.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I probably always thought that way, just because I was
never Anthony so athletically gifted. I was never that so
I kind of always had that element to my game.
But certainly, you know, when I was at Yukon and
realizing to win and to play the level I there
had to be an understanding of the game for me,
that was just so such a necessity for me to
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play the style that I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So the reason I ask it, and then you can
tell me if it's the dumbest, you know, Freudian thing
you've ever heard, But I'm just so fascinated by at
no fault of his. If Anthony Richardson is almost too
late to the game of trying to learn the game
because he didn't have to before, because he did have
those natural gifts for further along in his career that
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separated him than most players have.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Not too late, not by any means. It's by no
means is it too late. You know. I think a
lot of like physically just unique talented athletes go through
this at some juncture where they're so physically gifted that
there are parts of their game that don't get the
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attention that are necessary for them to become what that
talent allows or should allow them to become. Patrick Mahomes,
I mean, I was with Matthew Stafford. He's so physically
gifted that other parts of his game it just took
time for that to get there. Anthony hasn't always had
to know what the hot route is or how to
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handle protections, one because he didn't have to do it
a ton in college. And then two he's always been
able to athletically make a player run away from somebody. Shoot,
I'll go to this, guys, Jayden Daniels. Last year there
were time were like Washington would wouldn't even oh, like
an NFL protection We pull full slides where just everybody
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off in the offensive line goes to the right and
Jada would have to handle the other guy. The thing
with Jayden is Jada knew that one guy was the problem,
and so like it wasn't like he was at you know,
the line of scrimmage being a Peyton Manning or Drew
Brees or a Brady fixing all the problems. He just
knew what the problem was. And so I do think
that Anthony's gotten by athletically, but you want to see
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him and you it's going to be needed and demanded.
And I would say like this, Gary Kubiak was great
coach in Kyle Shanahan both were coaches of mine, and
they were great to get the quarterbacks to understand everybody's
relying on you to know this, It's not just for
you to play good. Everybody is relying on you to
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be the problem solver. Everyone, the players, the coaches, the
people in the building. And I've said that about Anthony,
and I'm not overreacting to one play, but it is
it is a hopefully another step in an eye opener
of like, hey man, we do we need you to
really get this because if we can't call this on
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first and ten. It's either we can't call our offense
or we need a different quarterback running.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
It is that different quarterback, Daniel Jones. Has Daniel Jones
shown you Dan so far? And I know that Daniel
Jones is new to Indianapolis and he's got to learn
that offense and those cadences as well. But have you
seen anything from him that shows glimpse that, you know what?
They're gonna be okay? If it doesn't work out with Richardson,
I think they.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Would be okay. Sure, I don't think anybody wants that,
you know, I don't think the roster is set up
for that. And hopes. I thought Daniel looked sharp. I
did you know? Daniel's not perfect either. Daniel has struggled
with kind of the same stuff, you know, handling pressures
or diagnosing pressures. You know, I think that's kind of
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why I what I when I brought up to a
d and Tyler Warren stuff was. You know, at some
point it does become like what quarterback do you right now,
like in this very moment today, what quarterback do you
believe gets those playmakers the ball more consistently? You can
make the case in s Daniel like you can at
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least the young talented guys are going to get the ball,
you know, and so Daniel looks sharp to me. I
really believe that I'm not going to sit here and
tell anybody that, you know, Daniel Jones is gonna, you know,
be the starting quarterback and have a Sam Darnold type
of year. I think they he would keep them afloat,
but he doesn't have the the nearly the potential of
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what Anthony does.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Do they need to at some point and obviously I
know the answer to this that you know realistically logistically
dan ar Lobsky is our guest from ESPN. Do the
Colts though, need to come out even if they aren't
certain on which it is, just for the sake of
clarity in the NFL? Do you have to come out
at some point and say this is our guy, this
is who we're staying by and barring injury, he is
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the guy. Because of the old adage that if you
have two quarterbacks you have none, do they need to
just push in or can they kind of go and
work their massage this through the first quarter of the year.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, I think that you would preferably have your quarterback
their started decided after week two of the preseason. I
think this could be a case where it might get
to week three. I whoever wins that initial quarterback competition,
I think they get like four to six weeks and
it's either going well and working or it isn't. Because
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if you go with Anthony and it's it's you know,
going well, great, and if it's not going at some point,
you know, there's just the reality of like having to
go win games, you know, and everyone else you know,
doing right by the locker room. And if you go
with Daniel and you know it's struggling the talent, you're
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only going to be able to keep on the bench
for so long. So I think whoever you know wins
that initial race is you give them four to six
weeks and it's very clear, like, hey, this is the
opportunity and it's just the way it shakes out.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Dani Arlovsky our guest. One other thing, Dan, I appreciate
your time. I know you're a busy guy. I did
want to get this from you. Of the thirty two
quarterbacks that start in the NFL, how many of them
truly do have that computer mind where they walk up
and instantly can recognize a defensive stuff or whatever it
might be. I mean theoretically, because we're here in Indianapolis
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and we're saying, look Andrew luck at it, Peyton Manning
had okay, well, I mean yeah, two of the biggest
savants of all time. Realistically, in your opinion, Dan Arrolofsky,
you played in the NFL, nind that we're at Anthony
Richardson or Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
To be right now, I'd probably give you twelve to fourteen.
You know, easily comfortably that are that are capable of
on a consistent basis handling all that stuff and you know,
fixing the problem and and knowing what the problem is
and fixing it. Twelve to fourteen at a minimum would
be my answer.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And is that pretty either part for the course, I mean,
are we in like a dry period or is it
at any time? Is that realistically what you're looking you know,
a third of the league.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Basically, Yeah, I think I would say that's probably consistently
what it is. You know, it depends on you know,
obviously how many rookies are playing and with style of offenses.
But I think you know, you're talking probably closer to
half of the league. Truly being consistently capable of handling
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that again.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
The article right now up at espn dot com ranking
NFL quarterbacks by trade, best, arm accuracy and more from
Dan Arlovsky breaking down arm strength, ball placement, mechanics, decision making,
pocket presence, rushing ability, second reaction, all of it. Great breakdown, Dan,
Appreciate the time, and you got to get in there,
but certainly appreciate you're letting us chat you up today
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and really good perspective.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Thanks, Bud. I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I appreciate it, Dan ar Lofski joining us from ESPN,
really good stuff. Joining us now on the program. Of
course you hear them each and every week from WXI
in Fox fifty nine and CBS four. Mike Chapel is
the dean of writers covering the Indianapolis Coltson Chapel, let's
get right to the quarterback situation, which will be the
dominant conversation over the season. Feels like again, and this
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is what is an enigma to me. The quarterback battle
right now in Indianapolis feels like when you're at a
game and they have that thing where they're like, okay,
we're going to do on the video board, the little
race between the red ball and the blue ball, and
they intentionally one goes. You know, it's back and forth,
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back and forth. It feels like neither one of these
guys wants to reach out and snag this thing. I
set critically.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It seems like neither one is capable of it, not
that they don't want to. So depending on so what
we're putting the hairs on terminology, uh, I don't know,
you know, it could very well be the in the
meeting rooms that change Dyke and Chris Battlet says, yeah,
it's this guy. It is. It's unless this guy gets
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something worse than a dislocated pinky. Uh, I don't you know.
And again with with the joint practice on Thursday and
the game on Saturday, it's going to give them a
ton of information for their information. But gosh, I think
they really in there gets know what they want. I
just do so I don't know. And whether or not
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they won't make their decision after this week, I would
like to think so. Although again, like you say, the
two little horses on the thing are neither one is
pulled ahead or following behind. This isn't where you want
to be there's no way you put a good spin
on this. And hey, you know they're both competing and this,
well that's not you know, that's not what you want.
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You want somebody to be your guy, Cleveland. They're they're
going crazy or should ur Sanders. That's going to be
one of the dumbest media inventions of all time. That
he's first round baking. Now he's not. So we'll see.
But in our world, I don't know where they are.
I think in my heart that they know what's going
to happen, I really do, But when will they tell us,
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when will they share it? I don't know. It would
behoove both players to play well against the Packers both
Thursday and Saturday, just to give them more information if
more information is needed.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, the the thing about and I guess Chap We've
said this a lot. Right with Richardson, it just feels
like you would If you don't go with Richardson, it
feels like you're going to constantly wonder what you might
be missing out on because you've seen just the glimpses.
(17:07):
And if you don't go with Jones, it feels like
you are going to feel like you're missing out on
stability because he's just a little bit more. Does that
make sense what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, it's and we talked about all the time on
the sidelines when we get board watching practice is it's
it's it's floor versus ceiling.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Jones gives you what you think is a is a gosh,
a winnable, winnable floor maybe, but not not a ceiling
that you can really do something. And with richeson his
floor could really be bad low. But boy, his ceiling
is it could be something special. The problem that I'm
(17:51):
having continually buying into the ceiling thing is I've only
got two seasons of information, as I'd say three, go
back to Florida thirteen starts. Uh, and I there's there's
very little there when you get when you get past
the wild plays, and there are a ton of wild
plays there are, and the NFL is about wow plays,
(18:16):
but it's also about moving the chains and being really
good fifty I remember Manning was and his those guys
are like fifty percent on third downs. They just stayed
on the field. Uh. And I don't know. I think
Jones gives you that. I'm not sure Richardson gives you that.
So I don't know. I again, I I defaulted the
fact that this is not where you want to be
(18:37):
with the the opener a couple of weeks away, and
and neither guy has either wanted or lost it, and
you need more information. If you need more information, So
I you see, you see snippets in practice, although I've
got to say with with Jones, you really don't see. Wow,
you know that that was that was a throw. Otherwise
(18:58):
it was funny yesterday one of the big plays Richardson's get.
He's got Alec Pierce one on one with the corner
on the left side deep and he throws that nice
spiral and it's under throne and Pierce goes up and
makes a great catch. Uh. There's still more been wild
plays with with just pure armstrength from Richardson, but we've
(19:19):
seen that that's not enough.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Who has more plays.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Boy there, Richardson probably, although they both had their share.
Looking at my stats and all of our stature a
little different with me and Kevin Bowen and Joe Erickson.
I've got Richardson at about sixty percent completions and Jones
at about seventy one seventy two percent and so and
(19:44):
make of those what you will. I mean, it's it's
it's against your own guys, and and and that's eleven
on eleven. It's when there I can play in almost football.
So I don't know if I if I could get
fifty eight percent from Richardson and still get the other stuff,
I would be it overheels six static chap.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
I made this mention a couple of times I have,
but you've you know, you've been in the market, and
so I want you to tell me if this makes sense.
As I watched Anthony Richardson in that pinky play, I
harken back to and I know I'm going on the
way back here, but I go with precedent in this market.
I was thinking to myself, I wonder if Anthony Richardson
(20:26):
is just football Jonathan Bender?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I mean, Jonathan Bender. Eventually the Pacers just had to
punt on it because his body just was not going
to allow him to show what it is that he
could do. And my question for you is this, what
is that ceiling in the NFL? How many games in
years do you give a guy before you finally just
(20:51):
have to say we got to move on.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Here probably three. I mean, I Chris Powder pushed back
on it, but I I tend to go into the
idea that this this is make or break for richards
I do I believe that, you know what what was
funny too is And I was one of the people
I questioned Shane Steinken for not going with his starting
(21:14):
offensive line in that game. If you're gonna have Jones
and Richardson out there, then then dog, I don't have
your starters out there. But that wouldn't have matter. That
had nothing to do with him getting hurt. It's something
that he should have seen coming and he didn't. And
then this is like, this is like classic Anthony Richardson.
He didn't just get blown up. He got his finger smashed.
(21:35):
You know, any other quarterback maybe you just want to
got you know, sad that gets up and say, man,
I messed that one up. He gets a dislocated finger,
because of course he did. I think, boy, after three years,
if you're hanging on after three years, I'm trying to
think what the circumstances would be. Well, he's always hurt.
(21:55):
What that tells you something, doesn't it? And and if
he and if Jones wins the job this year and
he plays well enough and they're ten and seven or
nine and eight and they're right there, then what have
you got with Richardson? Then you don't know that well,
you know that he couldn't beat out Daniel Jones, and
(22:16):
that tells you something. So yeah, I think it's I
think if you don't know after three years, then then
what what are you? What are you looking for? And
how much of it is?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Boy?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
We just can't give up on me? Well, at some
point you have to, especially a quarterback, because just dug
on it. When you're waiting on the quarterback to be
the guy, you're wasting. Jonathan Taylor and Quinton Nelson and
the Forrest Buckner and Kennymore and Braden Smith. All these
(22:51):
guys are getting older. They're not past their prime at all.
But go back to look at what Jacksonville did and
not getting the quarterback right, all the players, Maurice Jones,
Drew Fred Taylor, all these players that are really really good,
and when you can't get the quarterback right, it stunts
the growth of the entire franchise. So three years has
(23:15):
got to be. It's just I can't imagine the season
coming up not involving a good a good portion of
Anthony Richardson and him playing well and him being here
next year. I just I don't I can't wrap my
head around him being a back I'm going in when
Jones either gets hurt. I don't see how that works.
(23:39):
That's why I say, I think you start Richardson against
the Dolphins, and you say, let's see what we got.
He stays healthy. He doesn't, but you know, and then
you've got some direction for the franchise.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Chap One of the things Mike Chapel is our guest
here talking about the Coltson notably at this point, Anthony
Richardson in the quarterback situation. I want to be clear
in preface this, Mike, It's going to sound like I'm
really piling on Anthony Richardson, and that's not my intention.
I don't. I have no reason to believe anything other
(24:14):
than he is a great young guy, a nice kid.
I think his background story is, you know, it's one
of triumph. You know some of the things that not
that he had like this terrible upbringing. But I'm saying,
you know, he didn't grow up with some of the
advantages that young quarterbacks have. But having said all of
that when on the play when he got blown up.
(24:37):
Here's what jumped out at me is afterwards when he said,
you know, that's just a situation where I got to
mind my p's and q's better, like I should have
recognized that better or whatever else. And when he tapped
out last year and then said I was tired, I'm
not gonna lie to you guys. It wasn't the fact
that he tapped his helmet and was tired and came
(24:57):
out of the game. It was the fact that he
had the naive to admit it, to admit it, I know,
And I felt like in that situation, I'm like, we're
right back to square one, because if you didn't recognize
a formation that was obvious, that's fine, but don't admit it, Like,
don't come out and say and maybe we should applaud
the transparency, but at the same time, it just shows
(25:20):
a lack of fundamental growth of the expectation and understanding
of what the position encompasses. Now, am I being way
too critical?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think in the situation where he just didn't recognize
the blitz, I think he had to say, man, I
really watched that one, because you got Kurt Warner saying it,
Chase Daniel saying it, Daniel Orlowski's saying it that this
is a fundamental play. Cam Turner, his posician, he coach, said, yeah,
there's a basic play, and you learn from your mistakes.
H you shouldn't make those mistakes in year three. And
(25:55):
never mind that he's I think I saw he's twenty
three and he would have been the youngest quarterback. Great,
he would have been young. I think he's a little
bit younger than cam Ward taking number one overall this year.
That's we can't you know, and I try. I got
to remind myself not to use that as excuses. I
would prefer now the tap out. I would have found
(26:16):
a way to say, yea, I my head, my head
set was bust whatever. I'd have made something up. I
just would have on the botch play. I think you
have to say, yeah, screwed that one up, Sorry about that,
because I think it would have been worse. That would
have been the cover up, cover up, what would have
been worse than the crime. Uh, But but you can't.
It's he has fair or not. He has used up
(26:40):
his mulligans.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I think, yeah, that's a good way of saying it.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I just think the excuse is now a d Mitchell.
We watch him. He's still got room and he's still
got some Okay, he's still young and learning, not third
year with the quarterback. And you know, again part of
this la on the team for not being more on
top of him from the start. But at the same time,
then it's him. He's got to grow and understand grasp things.
(27:10):
And I keep hoping he has or will. I don't know.
And my optimism. My grandson Levi he asked me some
things on the team and he said, you know, I'm
still optimistic. I said, but good for you. Good for you.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I'm not so uh you know, oh to be to
be what I whatever Levi is, thirteen or fourteen.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And live like Levi. Man, live like Levi, right.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, he live like Levi to be picking the top
five next year.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Give me reasons why or Aria's chap where Levi is
the way to think, because there is optimism, give me
the Levi areas. Honestly not. But but if you were
to look at it, now that you have seen some
camp yep, now that you've seen a preseason game, give
me a player or two or an area or two
(28:04):
where you say to yourself, that is a lot better
than I thought it was going to be a month ago.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Well, and you can't tell it from the opening game
because the starters didn't play. They'll play. They'll play more,
maybe in a quarter or a half on Saturday with
the Packers. But it's a good receiver room it is.
Is it great? No, but it's pretty good. It's pretty good.
Jonathan Taylor's top five in the league. He is. I
think the offensive line is going to be good, I
(28:30):
really do. I think that the two young kids are
going to play well, and Quentin Nelson's All Pro, and
the tackles are good. The defense I think is going
to be good better, certainly better. So I've said from
the start, I think this is a playoff roster. I
really do. I think this USA today came out and
had him winning four games. I laughed at the guy,
(28:50):
I thought, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Even if they.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Get crappy quarterback play, they're gonna win more and four games.
But I think it's a playoff roster. But I don't
us to quarterback play, you know. I still think Vegas
is really good to the over under seven and a half,
and if I had to bet two hundred dollars with
my own money, I would have to take the under
because I don't trust the quarterback play. So but no,
(29:14):
there's a lot of reasons to be optimistic except that
the one. It's like, I can give you five reasons
that this team can be a playoff team, and you
can give me one that they won't be in its quarterback.
So the quarterback can The quarterback can trash a roster.
He can lift the roster, which we've seen with Peyton,
more so with Luck. I think Peyton had a pretty
(29:35):
dog going good roster rounding Luck not that level at all.
But the quarterback can can drag you down or keep
you from being where you need to be. That's why
you know God lets Levi Chapel. He's got some convincing
to do before I'm on board with him.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
But again, O to be young and naive, give me
the player, chap When you look at the outside of
Lucas Oil Stadium, I believe the Forrest Buckner's up there.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I believe Quentin Nelson's up there. Kenny Moore, I believe
is Moore and JT and Jonathan Taylor Okay, so give
me the player that a year from now. Chris Ballard,
assuming he's still here, and Shane Steichen, assuming he's still here,
are going to look at each other and go, we
need to probably talk to Carli Ersay because you know what,
(30:31):
can we create a space to put him up there?
Also because he deserves it after the year he had
and he's a monster.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Bernard Rayman Ryman left tackle, left tackle. It's not a
flashy picked, but I would say the left tackle. Taylor's
a receiver. I'd like these receivers. I don't. I don't
like the sight of the building. Like him, not like
t yuh may be mooney Ward, but he need to
(31:03):
have he needs to have two good years. You just
don't have a good year and get your face, put out,
your body put up there. But of all those guys,
I would say Bernie Ryan and I think he's he's
borderline top ten left tackle. And I've always said, if
you're building a roster, the three priorities are quarterback, left tackle,
(31:23):
and edge pass rusher. And I would play the left
tackle ahead of a nag rusher because because he ain't
got a left tackle, your quarterback is just paralyzed, so
I wouldn't. I would think the next guy up there
is Bernie. Whether they won't create a fifth, but they
was somebody.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Because are we starting to see steps from Leatu Latu?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
He having a strange camp. I mean, I would rather
be enthused by a guy from training camp in the
same man I didn't know was one play that guy made.
He's in the backfield all the time, and again, I
think this is a decent offense line, so he's really
letting him have it pretty good. I want to see
him as the lights go on and see if those
(32:08):
near missus door ended up with four sacks or whatever
it was, turns into eight, nine, ten, because that's what
they need. And I think Bernie's Bernie to me is
more of a sure thing than a lot too. But
what we've seen from lat too the best players in camp,
the best players have been Ady Mitchell and lat Too,
(32:29):
and you could put the two and I wouldn't argue
with you too much, but it's camp. I'm glad to
see Mitchell having a strong camp after last season and
even after his first week which wasn't which was underwhelming,
But those two guys, a lot two has not dominated
from day one on, and I hope that carries over
(32:50):
into the season.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You know, Jeb, sometimes you can see things right before
your eyes and realize that it's a representation of the
bigger problem or the bigger talking point. And I mentioned
this last week, but I want you to weigh in
and tell me why I'm being too harsh. But when
I think about every franchise in the NFL, and if
(33:15):
the NFL put an edict on every franchise that said,
you've got to put your four most marquee backbone players
on a building sized mural in your downtown to excite
everybody about your upcoming season, I've got to think that
there are fewer than eight franchises that would not include
their quarterback. I know how indicting is that about where
(33:37):
the Colts are.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
It is it is that's gotta be. You know, it
shouldn't be a I should say a defensive alignment because
for Structor's good, he's good, But it's got to be
a quarterback, for crying out loud, And that's not because
we were spoiled by meaning luck. I mean, you know,
there's a lot of other franchises they didn't have that
(34:01):
level of quarterback that they had a good quarterback. It
is an indictment and everyone knows it. And that's why
I think they're clinging. They are clinging to the hope
that Richardson will grow into that guy. I just think
it's the odd they're against it. But yeah, when you
(34:23):
have four people up there and one on them not
your quarterback, it tells you that you're not where you
need to be as a franchise.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Who do you think is the most average quarterback in
the NFL? And by that I mean I don't mean
that as a bad thing. Give me the Honda Civic
of quarterbacks. The guy that's like, you know what, there's
nothing flashy about it, but solid, gonna do what you
need him to do, going to get you where you
need to go. Probably isn't ever going to break one
hundred and twenty miles an hour, but also is never
going to break down on the side of the road
(34:48):
and leave you completely hapless. Just solid, but you know
you need some other bells and whistles and options put
on it for it to be a truly likable car.
But perfect sufficient.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Well, you're shooting me a heads up. A Geno Smith
type guy.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
That is exactly who I was thinking of, exactly who
I was thinking of.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Sam Darnold. Uh and those dire reclamation projects, right they are.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
And that's why I wonder if Anthony Richardson is Anthony
Richardson the next GENO Smith unfortunately meeting that he's not
doing it for the franchise that drafted him.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's what I'm saying, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, those guys,
the guys we mentioned, they emerged elsewhere. Baker Mayfield, now,
Baker Mayfield is not pedestrian at all. Uh, He's he's
he's top ten all of a sudden. But that's and
again that's part of the the hesitancy of moving on
is you don't want to see any of your players,
(35:43):
but you don't root against him if you're the Colts,
but you know, it's not good to see your guy
go somewhere else because you didn't sit here and Denny's
Jerry Hughes didn't work here. He goes to Buffalo and
he was a pretty good pass rusher. Look good for Jerry,
But you really don't want to see a quarterback, you know,
I give up on him after if he's not he
after three years it's because it did not work out.
(36:06):
But then to see him go somewhere else and do
a Sam Darnold or a Baker Mayfield, it's just crippling
because that means you missed on him in your eyes,
and then you got to replace him. It's hard enough
to replace a lot, It's hard enough to replace Castanjo
Freeney Mathis boy. You replace your quarterback no one. You're
(36:27):
not going to get Andrew Rucker Peyton, but you've not
got anything even remotely reliable. Uh, it just cripples you.
I've always said the worst thing in the NFL personnel
wise is to chase mistakes. It just because it's you
need a left tackles. Instead of getting the pass rusher,
you have to get a left tackle. And with the quarterback. Again,
(36:51):
look a look at all the guys. Tennessee's tried, and
Jackville's tried, and the Jets have tried, and and when
you can't, when you don't get it, it just stunks
the growth of everything. And then not only do the
stunt to growth, you're still chasing the guy. So that's
why part of why it really needs to be Richardson,
because because if it's not, then you're looking at a
(37:14):
rebuild that might be two or three years. You think
the fan base is ready for that.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
I don't Forty three and twenty yards passing, seventy point
four percent completion percentage, twenty one touchdowns and fifteen picks,
an additional two hundred and seventy two yards on the
ground and two rushing touchdowns. That was Gino Smith a
year ago. If Anthony Richardson does that this year, put
them on the side of the JW.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Marriott Right, yeah, with velcro so you could take them
down when he get hurt.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
No, but you're right there, Velcroz what he's made of, Chap.
That's the problem.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
You don't have to you don't have to have an
all pro season. You know, four thousand yards would be
great in a seventeen game season. But Doug Gune, just
be through your job, make those six, eight, ten plays
when you've got to make, and then and then see
what happens. Because again, this is a good team. This
(38:10):
isn't Homers, and this is look at the roster, it's
the good roster. But like I said, five reasons they
can do it is trump by the one reason that
they can't do it, and it's all about the quarterback,
like it or not, and it will be the rest
of the season. It just will be.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Put them up in velcrow. Mike Chapel says, all right,
the Colts getting set afternoon practice today. JMV is going
to be out there by the way, and then the
Green Bay Packers that is the next preseason game, joint
practice on Thursday. Is that right with the Packers?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yep, yeah, afternoon yep.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
All right, chap I'll let you get to it, man.
I appreciate the time, as.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Always say, in touch guys.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
All right, Mike Chapel joining US w x I, N, Fox,
mcton nine and CBS four.
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