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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Join me now on the Java House Peel and Poor
Guest line. You hear him on this show, I would
say nearly weekly because there are always new injuries to
talk about. He is the foremost expert when it comes
to athletic training. Ralph Reef dot com r e i
f f dot com. You should go to the website
just to look at the different places in which Ralph

(00:20):
has worked as an athletic trainer and the different places
in which he's had an impact on that profession, because
that alone is impressive. But he joins us now in
the program, and Ralph, I want to begin with this.
I appreciate the time before we get into the Daniel
Jones injury. Riley Leonard, who is a player that trained
going into the draft with Philip Rivers, amongst other quarterbacks

(00:43):
who have done so. But Riley Leonard after his game
in Jacksonville with the Colts, now we know has a
Grade one PCL sprain. I have no idea what that means.
So that means roughly what and how severe is something
like that?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, well, good afternoon, Jake and Riley Leonards. So PCL
is the posterior cruciate ligament of the knee. There are
four substantial ligaments in the knee. The anterior cruciate ligament
a CL, we know. So the brother of that is
the PCL, and it does very little work compared to

(01:26):
what the ACLAN.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
So that's the knee ligament. The Jake knee ligament is
the PCL ligament.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Right, Yeah, So Jake, you're you're pretty much not needed
a lot of the time, okay, And until such time
that basically the knee might get hyper extended, and so
the big leg or the big bone on the bottom
of the leg, the tibia slides backwards a little bit

(01:55):
and in the knee joint and its sprains or stretches
that PCL. And that lines up with his what I read.
You know, he finished the game, he got on the plane,
he went home, walked into the complex Monday morning and said, hey,
my knee hurts. And so, quite honestly, that's really good

(02:16):
news that he's got a Grade one sprain of the
post your cruisiit ligament that can be managed. There's a
lot of good ways to manage that in a short
period of.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Time, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
And the so let me ask you this, Ralph, when
the average weekend warrior and maybe there's no definitive answer
on this. I realize every situation is different. But for
the average person that just goes out and plays some
pickup ball with some buddies or you know, does some pickleball,
whatever it might be, and they get they simply get

(02:50):
home and like, man, my knee was just last night,
I got to be honest with my knee was kind of sore.
Is that typically would the PCL be the most likely
of the injuries that the average person and would.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
See, No, no, it's not, Jake. The PCL is it's
not high on the list of ligament injuries in the knee.
The MCL, the medial collateral ligament, is the most commonly
injured ligament of the knee. That's where your knee sort
of buckles in to the inside. So there's a lot

(03:23):
of things that support the back side of the knee.
The hamstring tendons come down and cross across the back
of the joint, and the calf muscles come up and
attach above the knee joints, so there's a lot of
bracing back there naturally, so the PCL has a lot
of protection. So I assume he got you know, it's

(03:44):
the NFL. Right, So any hit is a big hit.
And so something occurred that jammed him either in the
lower leg or up in the quad the thigh area
that that forced that knee into its pretty sessive hyper extension.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
By the way, for the mcl I loved their bag Telapia,
Their big telapia is fabulous. The cinnamon rolls at the
end of the day at mcl are also fantastic.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Ralph.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
For what say they had some fish? What was it? Almadine?
The fish Almandine I think was really good.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Fantastic, right, I mean no question. Ralph Reef is my
guest Java House, Peel and Port guest line. Okay, Ralph.
So the the Riley Leonard, I know that one thing
that I've learned in the discussions that we've had is
that when there are ligament injuries or stress to a ligament,
you always, as a trainer, like to see twenty one
days from day of impact. For lack of a better phrase,

(04:43):
would that be the case with Riley Leonard with a
Grade one PCL strain? Is it still under that? Look,
he's going to need three weeks before we bring it
back in and revisit it mode Or is that a
shorter term injury.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, they graded this as a Grade one, which is
as mild as you can get on the grading scale.
So they did that via imaging, MRI et cetera. And
so so you shorten the clock. So because it's a minor,
you're going to have need less time for that to

(05:17):
feel better. And really, from this standpoint, Jake, you're right,
and I appreciate you being a good student of the
biology of these things, but we're going to shorten that
timeframe for the PCL. Again, the hamstring, all that musculature
on the backside of the knee helps protect it and

(05:37):
it can sit there and sort of bathe in its
own inflammation and it'll heal pretty well with that. But again,
tight clock, and that PCL is going to heal up
quicker than the twenty one day clock that I usually

(05:58):
put on them.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Okay, let's get to the injury to Daniel Jones. And again,
Ralph Rief is my guest, and I want to be clear,
you know, out of respect to Ralph, these are not
situations where you are the trainer on record for them,
So we're speaking in generalities here as opposed to this,
you know, a specific nature on say, Daniel Jones. But

(06:21):
when we know that Daniel Jones had the torn achilles
and it was in a leg opposite of where we
had previously talked about the fibula fracture, is it possible
or even probable that that tear came from a compensation
of the way he was moving because of the pain
from the other side.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Your intelligence starts today, So yes, that is very much
a compensation issue. The first thought I had I happened
to be up in Green Bay and folks up there
came out and said, Hey, Daniel Jones, I think he
just tore his achilles. And I was like, which leg

(07:04):
is it? And and they said it was his right leg,
And I said, he's been limping. He's been putting all
his weight on that right leg ever since the injury
to the fibula, and so predictable. No, but ben once
should happen to say man, A high percentage of the

(07:25):
rationale of why has to go to the fact that
he was basically doing one leg at hops for this
entire injury period. You know, we mentioned last week talking
about how painful that intererossious membrane is between the fibula
and the tibia. And I watched him on television with

(07:46):
some of his warm up stuff and that they had
on and I could just see, you know, hips lifted
a little higher on that left side. He was really
putting a lot of pressure on the right leg and
didn't anticipate it. But I'm not shocked that that compensation
caused that incident to occur.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
That's sort of an injury, okay, And we're going to
speak again in generalities here, but a high level athlete
that is twenty eight years old and has the phibi
the issue on the left side and now the achilles
on the right. The achilles is going to be the
longer term injury. If we are in December right now,
the a realistic time frame as to when Daniel Jones

(08:29):
will have complete range of movement and basically unimpeded movement
getting back onto the field would be what month.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Well, don't compare it to Tyrese because of the difference
in sports, right and so I would anticipate that between
now and camps in May. You know, that's six months
from now. He could very much be flat footed, no boot,

(08:56):
no restriction of flat footed movie sort of getting up
on his toes and throwing the football, and so I
would anticipate seeing that as well that you know, come May,
I think people will be very excited and say, boy,
he looks great. He looks great, but there will be

(09:18):
an additional probably four months of time. So now we're
into ten months, which puts us into what October to
where it's sitting here in the cold of December and
trying to forecast this, I would say, ten months from
now you would have a very normal looking quarterback with

(09:46):
both legs available.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
So would he be able to go the full rigor
of workout, say in August, in September you're saying, Ralph,
and then October is when he looks good or October
is when he can then finally begin to ramp that up.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, in generalities, and now Jake, in generalities, I would
see that as he would be a be able to jog,
be able to be in controlled settings, so you know,
he might mirror a coach or an athletic trainer that
sort of mirrors his tells him to move left, move right,

(10:20):
move backwards, forwards, backpedal, so forth, in controlled environment where
you can ask questions after each movement, how do you feel,
what's that look like? What's your heart rate at and
so yeah, he'll have a lot of good controlled activity
throughout the summer months.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Ralph, Before I let you go, I wanted to ask
you this. You know, I had somebody that told me
once they were in the in the Air Force, and
their job in the Air Force is they were a
mechanic on the Air Force, you know, in the Air Force,
and they worked on some of the carriers out in
the you know, at sea. And he said, man, I'll
tell you what.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
He goes.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
There was there was always such a cool thing when
the pilots would take off after we had done a
routine maintenance on the plane. They would kind of dip
the wings as they took off, kind of as a
salute and a tip of the cap to the guys
that had worked on the planes.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
And he goes.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
It was always such a gratifying feeling and it was
so cool and it made my work worth it. Do you,
as a trainer feel that when you see an athlete?
And I know that as a trainer, you know, you
get to know individuals, but at the same time, you
still have a job to do, right, which is just
to treat to determine what's going on and then to

(11:28):
advise on how to get a player healthy again. Do
you get that feeling of a gratifying feeling when you
see an athlete going out and running back out on
the field for the first time.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
You captured it very well, Jake, And I'm almost emotional
as you talk about that, because i can recall so
many times where you assist an athlete as an athletic
trainer and you've got them at their most vulnerable time
when they're you know, initially injured, and you work with
them through the time going back and they're the ones
who can fight in you. They cry on your shoulder,

(12:06):
they cuss at you, there's all of that process. But yeah,
when they when they get back to their craft at
full go, there's there's an unbelievable amount of of of
pride and and so forth. I'll give you a true
story from this weekend. I was in Green Bay with

(12:28):
the Packers Chris Carr doctor Chris Carr sports psychologists. He's
worked with multiple organizations around the world. He's been with
the Packers the last six years full time, and their
quarterback Jordan Love, made a comment in the media this
week that he says, you know, the game goes well
when I get in the flow, and that comes exactly

(12:52):
from doctor Chris Carr sitting with him and teaching him
about mental toolkits and and how to manage the game.
And so I was with Chris and he shared that
comment with me and replayed the tape and Chris's eyes
watered up. I mean, yeah, we get pretty tied up
in these athletes and what they do. If it's a

(13:15):
driver getting behind a car, if it's a pit crew member,
if it's somebody coming back from any kind of injury
or mental health situation. It's very very gratifying that that's
what fires the engine each day.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Ralph Ralph excuse me, reef dot com r e i
F F Ralph reef dot com Executive Performance Solutions, and
you can read all about his incredible journey as a
trainer in the different work that he has done and
continues to do, which includes the biggest task of all,
and that is occasionally saying that I'm intelligent on this
radio program, which is very much appreciated, even if only

(13:50):
for a fleeting moment, and even if it's only over
the agreement of the fabulous food at MCL. Ralph appreciate
the time as always and certainly look forward to talking
to you again.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Okay, have a great day, Jake.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Ralph rape joining me on the program on the Java House,
Peel and Poor Guest line. Last night at the Fieldhouse,
Russell Westbrook, you better hope you Colts fans, you better
hope that Russell Westbrook leaves behind whatever it was that
he put in his water for Philip Rivers, because last
night it was vintage Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
You had a triple double. But the Pacers did get
the win.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
And they're starting to get contribution from guys that you
didn't even know who they were three months ago. Joining
us now on the Java House, Peel and Poor Guest
Line from field House Files Scott Agnes to talk about
the Pacers. Scott, I don't know if you heard, and
maybe I've already introduced it to you once or thrice,
but have you heard the new quaryism that I came
up with empty calories?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Guys? Have you heard this one yet?

Speaker 4 (14:46):
I don't think I have yet.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Okay, So as you know, and these I did not trademark,
because I've got enough trademark battles going on right now
with my legal te I love it, good for you,
But twenty twenty five guy, you know that we gone
over that a lot. That is a guy that is
destined to score twenty a game on a twenty five
win team for the majority of his career.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Okay. Another term that I have come up with is
now an empty.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Calories guy, and that is a guy that if you
think about the post brawl Pacers, some of the players
that they acquired through different means that came in and
you thought to yourself like, oh, you know, this is
somebody they might be able to get some good minutes
out of, or some future with ikedagu comes to mind. Okay,

(15:30):
then you realize that they're just empty calories. It's like
when you're hungry and you go and you grab a
bag of chips. You're not getting anything nutritional out of
that that's going to help you long run. You just
needed something in the short spurt to fill you up.
The Pacers right now have some guys on their roster
that could be empty calorie guys. You think to yourself like,
oh wow, but then we are going to retroactively look

(15:50):
back and realize they were just guys that were there
because they needed someone to log minutes and play out
the roster. Does this team right now have any of
those true guys or is Rick Carlisle starting to turn
them into form a little bit into a team that
suddenly is somewhat competitive and has a pulse.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:10):
I think mainly, Jake.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
What they have done is make do with role players,
and they're asking role players to take on much larger
roles like I don't think Ethan Thompson, for example, is
one of your empty calorie guys. He's a guy that
hadn't got that opportunity but now has and in a
week has gone from two way contract to has never

(16:32):
played before to not just in the starting lineup last night,
but finish the game, which is obviously way more important
and was impactful in those minutes. Same thing with Garrison Matthews.
He knows his role. It's to knock down shots and
provide depth at that guard position. And I thought last
night was the epitome of what this team needs in
the short term until they get more guys back, And

(16:53):
that's from Siaka, Matherin and Nimhard to play big minutes
and then everybody else fills the spot and helps along
the way. Last night was a game against a good
team that that big run in the third quarter would
have cost you, but they were able to make it
up against a bad team in that fourth quarter and
finished strong.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay, I want to touch on two guys, and for
those that are not familiar with or have not watched
the Pacers a lot lately, Ethan Thompson's a young guy.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
I think. I think Oregon State, am I right in that? Yes,
I thought last night he got to start and late
in the game.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
There were three plays Scott in the fourth quarter of
that game inside of five minutes, left three almost three
consecutive trips where he either worked his way in for
a defensive rebound or kept loose balls alive, just strictly
with hustle plays. And I mean it jumped out a
little bit, and it kept them on a couple of possessions.

(17:52):
It kept Indiana Sacramento looked like they were gonna be
able to get a put back, and then boom. Ethan
Thompson comes in kind of out of nowhere and is
able to stay kind of a king's moment, if you will. Now,
is that simply a young guy that is doing what
he can to stay on the floor, or is that
part of his game that is exactly the reason that
he's there.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
I would say it's a little bit of both.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
The main reason they brought him in is because he's
a guard who can shoot it. But I think he's
a perfect example. And this is what you got to
stress to so many of these college kids and guys
that were always the star right middle school, high school,
maybe once they get into college. In the pros, it's
the one percent, and so be TJ.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
McConnell. Star in whatever you can.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
And so while we know Ethan Thompson and Garrison Matthews
can knock down threes, that's why they were brought in.
In large part, Thompson's been on quite a scoring run
in the G League and was with them in Summer
League a couple of years ago. See he's been on
the Pacers radar for quite a while. But more than that,
I just applaud Thompson Jake for all right, this is

(18:57):
a time offensively where you're looking for the big with
math and Siakam and Nemhart, So go go find a
way to be useful. And this team had one offensive
rebound in the first half. They had seven in the
fourth quarter and he had three of them, and I
think that's the way you continue to earn this two
way contract.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know, Matthews is a guy that when I watch.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
And I'm simply going off tea leaves here, right, I'm
watching just kind of reading what is being said or
listening when Carlisle.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Is on with you know, our guys on the fan.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Morning show, listening to what is said and then watching rotation.
It seems to me, even though he did not shoot
the ball well initially when coming to Indiana, that Rick
Carlile really likes Garrison Matthews and likes having him in rotation.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Your thoughts, Yeah, that's what it seems as well.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
That's been the impression I've gotten as well, because after
that first stint it was not impressive. I think he
was like three for seventeen with nine points, and then
they signed I didn't think they'd probably signed him to
a second ten day contract.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
They did, and he's rewarded them.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
I think he had like ten first half points in
his first game on that second ten day contract. And
by the way, I should clarify here for the audience,
so we'll have a decision to make on him because
players can only sign up to two ten day contracts
per team per season, and so he's obviously on the
second one. There they are getting some positive injury updates
in the short term and long term, but right now, yeah,

(20:25):
I've gotten that impressed. And I think the other thing
is we got to take into account is Garrison was
just thrown into this right no training camp, like maybe
one practice, and for how much this Pacers team wants
to play, and so much of them can rely on
the familiarity and continuity, but not the couple of players
that they continue to bring in. And so I think
he really took about those ten days to settle in

(20:47):
and now has a much better understanding of what is
to be being demanded of him.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Is Jahubb settling in?

Speaker 5 (20:54):
I think so. I think we've seen that over the
last couple of weeks. I still believe he's a quit backup.
I have not seen starter potential, a guy that you
want to play thirty five minutes per game.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
But I think, like we talked about last week, if.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
He can be that eighteen minutes per game guy, give
you eight points, five rebounds, three blocks, I think that's
exactly why they went out and got him, but that
the center position as a whole remains unsettled to this point.
But that's been the least of their worries given their
injuries elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
You know Scott when I look Scott Agnesty is my guest.
He's on the Java House Peel and poor guest line
Field House files.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Of course his work.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
This week is such a weird week because they're you know,
you're void of NBA games to a large extent over
the course of the week because of the fact that
it is now into that point of and you remember
how kind of surreal it was, and it was really
the introduction for the Pacers on the national stage in
getting to the finals of the nd Season Tournament. And
it felt like at that time, and this is my

(21:55):
question for you, in that first year of the nd
Season Tournament, I thought, to my this worked. People are
talking about this. This feels like a big deal.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
It's cool.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's super fun to have these games be relevant. But
the Pacers were an integral part of it because they
got to the championship of it. Is it now, I
hate to say it this way? Has it run its course?
Was there more hype about it in year one? Across
the board, or did we just feel that way because
Indiana was involved in it?

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Has it lost any steam?

Speaker 5 (22:30):
I think it's been a missed opportunity, Jake. I think
the courts are so bad that it turns people off totally.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
And I am one hundred percent in that boat.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
If there's a game going on and it's a bright
purple court, honestly, I have no interest in watching.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
It's too distracting.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
I think they get rid of the gimmicks, they push
it back back later in the season, then it has
a lot more validity. But right now, when you're playing
about a month ago, like two weeks into the season,
and you're already playing these Cup games with these huge implications,
and more so these players wanting to get that additional
bonus money, I think that's.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Far too soon to do that.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
And also you got to keep in mind you're going
against the prime NFL season when that is I make
this more popular, putting it off when more people are
able to watch it.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
But I do agree. I think we were way.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
More in tune and locked in on it because of
the Pacers success in year one, plus the first couple
of years there's great intrigue about what is this and
why are they doing this and what is this about?
Do players care? It turned out they did care about
the bonus money. It's great if your team can reach it.
If not, I think all the teams are grateful because

(23:38):
now they play about two games in the next ten
days and can utilize this as a mini week to
get back to practice, because already it's sad. Teams have
gotten to the point where they're just not practicing very often,
and I think they all could use some of that time.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Man, I'll tell you what. The courts are terrible, right, awful?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I mean, honestly, Scott, there are and I don't know
if that's I think initially that was designed so that
if like you were walking through a sports bar and
you looked up, you knew that, like, oh this is different,
you know what I mean? Like this must be an
in season target game, And now I watch it, you
can't even there was one of them, and I can't
recall which game it was this year. The Pacers weren't

(24:15):
one of them, and I couldn't even see the rim.
It was like the way that on television it looked
like I was watching Atari.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
It was awful.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Here's my other argument why do we make the cup
courts in the cup field way more important than the
NBA Finals. Jake, you watch the NBA Finals, there's no
marking physically on the court that is the finals. Now,
I think they've come out and since that all right,
you didn't realize.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I tell you, Kurt Gerald's is stilling in for Eddie.
Eddie Garrison today, by the way, is up in Laporte.
If if you have his number, Scott, wish him good luck.
I hooked up Eddie with a marketing deal here. He's
on his way to Laporte as part of the Big
Head Association. He's a finalist to become a head model
for a hat company that needs to make eight and
five eighths hats, and Eddie like in the whatever the

(25:01):
one percent tile of people with heads that big, and
so he's on his way for the BHA to compete.
So wish him the best of luck. That's why he's
out today. But Kurt Gerald's, when Scott just said that,
you literally just you did like a you jumped up
and you prayed to the sky in thanks.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Right, Yes, because I missed the NBA Finals courts that
had the big trophy right there in the middle of
the Scott, aren't they retarding it?

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yes, that was one of the many things that have changed.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
We've also seen some of the national broadcasters lean into
showing the national anthem and team introductions. We see that
in the NFL, we have not seen it in the NBA,
and I think to the point earlier though, by adding
that on the court, it.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Adds some big game feel.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
I never liked that they advertised NBA Summer League in
the WNBA season during the finals, this showcase should be this,
this is their best product, this is what it should
be all about. And so they listened to a lot
of feedback during the finals last year, even showing the
intros and national anthem, and so I just feel like
they've invested more in the Cup than the finals, which

(26:02):
is their quality product.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Now, Scott, here's the here's the million dollar quest.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
I'm gonna let you, Scott Agnes, be the judge and
jury on this personal anecdote.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Of my life. You're ready, got it.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I've got to check because and make sure that I'm correct,
because the season schedule is weird because of the d
season tournament, like, for example, now the Pacers are next
in Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Correct, Yes, and that was not.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
If you if you have like a preseason schedule that
was printed out that doesn't show it fluctuates, see boom, here.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
We go, you would only have eighty of eighty two
games that were known in August.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Right, Okay, So I'm I was wrong about this.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I thought the Bucks were at home on Friday night,
but they might they are not. Now we do our
Shan and I are doing our annual trip. We spent
a weekend in Milwaukee every year at Christmas time, just
to get away, go to dinner's, shop, whatever else. And
she was asking what sort of new things we can
do in Milwaukee, And then I was wondering, do you think,

(27:02):
considering that we are fortunate enough to go to Pacer
games here and go to all of them, if I
went out.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Of town, would it be lame? Then if we went
to a Bucks game.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Only if you love doing it, I don't think it
would be lame. If you like to experience new venues,
new sites, I'm a geek about that type of thing,
but purely for just going there, I think there are
way other things I'd get involved with before I do that.
But there's an incredible deer district that could lead us
the pregame post game, have a nice dinner there. The
Pfizer Reforms really the center hub.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
For all that, so that they've got a Christmas market,
one of those deals in the Deer District right out
front of it. So I think we're doing that. So
that's as close as we're going to get. But I
thought they were at home. They're not at home this weekend,
so it's a moot point. Is the arena nice? The
Bucks Arena?

Speaker 4 (27:50):
It is?

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yeah, it's one of those. In the fun fact that
you'll appreciate. The first opponent who ever play there was
the Pacers. They were their opening night for that venue.
You feels like twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
My big fun fact about that arena that I've shared
on this show many times, including knocking out Joel Erickson
with this fun fact.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Do you know what was on the What's that?

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I don't know a ton about it, But isn't it
the Dahmer story?

Speaker 1 (28:16):
So Jeffrey Dahmer, the chocolate factory where he worked was
located on the site that is now five Serve Arena,
So they not because of Dahmer, but years later, after
all of that went down, the chocolate factory where he
worked was torn down. They eventually built the arena and
the very first event of the arena was a concert
and it was the Violent Fems and the Killers true story.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
How about them apples? Yeah, find out about the canals booked.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
How was your other last big trip?

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Great? We went to Vienna and Munich.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I went to Vienna, Salisbury and Munich, and let me
tell you, Scott, I've never been one.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
There were a lot of people that were going to Vienna,
Austria because they're known for those Christmas markets Christmas March,
whichever way you want to call it. Carvel, of course,
is now really known for it. We just went to
the one at the Rascalar, which was awesome this past
Saturday night. If nobody has been down to the Antoneum
to go down for that. It is also very cool.
And those things are kind of funny because like you

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go through them and you realize by the time you
go to one of the little kiosk things, You're like, yeah,
these are really like the same four things, but there's
one hundred and fifty of them.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
But so I kind of wondered why people that wasn't why.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
We went to Vienna, but Vienna is known for them,
and we were there for the opening weekend of them,
and there were a lot of people from around Europe
that were there for that, and I thought that was
kind of weird. And then we went through the big
one in like the downtown and they have like a
like a lazy river, except for that it's now ice
and so it's like an ice skating path that goes

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through the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
It was magical.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
I mean, honestly, it was like you could have had
that in the middle of July and you would have
felt in the Christmas spirit.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
That part of it was very very cool. It was cool.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Yeah, it was such a good idea.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
And I feel like going over to do an Octoberfesty
just up there on the bucket list experience there, and
it's earlier. I've learned, it's earlier than you would imagine
out there too.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Octoberfest is actually late September, which is weird. And I'll
tell you this, Munich, we were only in two days.
And again I know that we're very fortunate to be
able to do that, and I'm extremely grateful for that,
but Munich blew me away. Scott I don't know what
I was anticipating. I thought I was expecting it to
be like this, kind of like stuck in the seventies
type robotic type city. And it was beautiful. Munich was awesome.

(30:40):
Munich was a great city. So we had a great time.
It was definitely fun. And then came back and you know,
been able to watch the Pacers kind of up ticket
a little bit obviously last night with the win against
Sacramento and now up next Philly is tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Is that correct? Or is it Friday?

Speaker 4 (30:54):
No Friday? They got three days between games.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Friday in Philly is up next.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
All of it will be covered at Fieldhouse Files with
Scott Agnes who's on the Joba House Peel and Pour
guest line.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Scott appreciate it as always, Man, you better, thank you, Jake,