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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I will admit I do love the snow up to
December twenty fifth, and then on the twenty sixth, it's like,
all right, get it all out, let's go never again,
not till next year in December. This time of year
it is, it's pretty, it is calming, But why, oh
why does it always seem to hit at like four

(00:22):
thirty during the week like last year? Was it last year?
Two years ago? The NBA All Star Game went on Friday?
Was that two years ago? I believe seasons ago?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I believe so yeah, And the All Star Game on
literally on like four forty five on a Friday, boom
snow similar last night, and it led to and everybody
was good and I appreciate that, but obviously it was
slow going in terms of getting down for the Pacer game,
and that led to a late arriving crowd. It was
like literally last night at Gamebridge Field House was like

(00:57):
being the weather and tit the of being in Miami,
but the crowd arrival time of being at a heat game,
very late arriving crowd. Although it turned out to be
a decent crowd and for the Pacers they got down
big early to Cleveland and then came back, made it presentable,
and then late you could tell that Rick Carlisle wanted
to get some guys some minutes in Cleveland ends up winning.

(01:20):
More on that coming up on the show today. And
I really did think on my way in today that
what we would probably be talking about more than anything
else today would be kind of this cornucopia, kind of
this hodgepodge of the combination in no particular order of
the Pacers game last night, the Big Ten Championship game

(01:44):
and the Colts trying out kickers and Shane stike and
being kind of noncommittal on that and just saying, you know, well,
pass the buck on that, Shane, your thoughts on kickers
trying well, you know what, that's Chris makes those decisions,
and you know, I'll go with whatever it may be.
It does seem as though Shane stikeen really likes Michael

(02:04):
Badgley as a dude, but the way that he's playing
right now, there's a reason why you know, they're bringing
in kickers apparently for tryouts today, one of them from
New Orleans that's trying out kickers in the NFL are
kind of like your fantasy team. And the fact that
in your fantasy team, Eddie, who's your kicker on your

(02:25):
fantasy team? Nobody cares about your fantasy team in our
Chicago's Pizza Fantasy league, but we're gonna mention it for
this discussion. Your kicker is who? In fantasy football? I'm
not even sure exactly right, because unless you have like
one of three kickers in the NFL Brandon Aubrey, Okay, now,
is that who you've had all year? Or is that
who you picked up because your initial guy had a

(02:46):
bye week? I've had him all year? So what did
you do when he was on buy? I just left
the spot blank. I didn't. You didn't go and get
another kicker? I did not? Okay, because exactly right, You're like,
it's some people that are like, you know, I just
waive the kicker and then I bring one on for
bye week and then if I think of it, if
the other guy's available, to go back to them. But
if somebody else picked them up, whatever. And that's kind

(03:07):
of how the NFL. Unless you have one of like
three or four mainline kickers, it is a position that
can be kind of a revolving door. And the cults
are finding that out right now with Spencer Strader obviously
being out for the year, and then now you see
where they are and what the situation is, but it
is you would like to think that's the least of
your concerns. There are other concerns for the Colts. And

(03:30):
that's what as I'm thinking about things that we're going
to talk about today, the Colts, the Big Ten Championship,
the Pacers, all of those things, and a very unpopular
opinion I have about the Big Ten title game, I'm
bracing myself for something that I thought, well, and this is,

(03:52):
let me tell you, the challenge that I have my
life is I don't have a lot of difficulties. I'm
the first admit that I'm extremely fortunate. But if there's
one thing that I can say can become a challenge
for me, Eddie and you will, I think, agree with
me on this. My brain is such that there are

(04:15):
times where there is something to me that seems so
incredibly obvious, black and white, no gray area, and yet
then I find out that the masses see it as
a topic that is a gray area or something that
they just don't care about, And I'm like, but no,
there's only one way to think on this and that's

(04:36):
a challenge for me. That's always been difficult for me
because I have an inability sometimes to understand how people
would not see something that I deem to be very
obvious as not so obvious. I have one of those
opinions and observations today that I assumed when I first
outwardly said it to a few people, that they were
going to go, oh, first, totally totally agree with you.

(04:59):
And I was stunn to find out that it appears
as though I am literally like Tom Hanksen castaway and
I'm alone on an island with just a volleyball. But
I'll let you know what that opinion is coming up
in just a little bit as it relates to the
big Tent title game. But let's get back to the
Colts and something that to me is a subtle storyline

(05:24):
that I think we need to keep an eye on.
And I worry. I hope I'm wrong, but I worry
that I'm not going to be wrong in this. Okay,
I have an increasing concern about Scharvarius Ward Mooney Ward
not as a player, not as an ability guy. I mean,

(05:49):
I think he's a talented player, Okay, But the area
where I have concern would be this. Concussions are something
in the NFL today that I totally applaud and support
the awareness and the diligence that the NFL goes through

(06:13):
now in terms of making sure that player safety is
a priority. I think we are seeing now with former
players and CTE and I know these are buzzwords and
it became like a big talking point and almost maybe
to the point of exhaustion, but we're seeing from former players,

(06:35):
and I've seen it personally of guys that I really
really like and have done, you know, worked with and
things like that that were former players that suffer now
greatly because of the number of concussions theoretically or you know,
assuming that that's what it's related to, that they have
post playing career challenges. I was talking to somebody in

(06:59):
the press box on Sunday who has been around the
game for a very long time, and we were talking
about the old RCAA Dome and the fact that I mean,
it is amazing to think now retroactively that in the
early years of the Colts playing in Indianapolis, when they
played in the Hoosier Dome later the RCAA Dome, they

(07:21):
literally in the early years there were playing on a
slab of concrete with like a yoga matt on top
of it and then plastic turf. That was it. The
only thing between you and getting slammed into concrete was
a two inch pad. And we were saying that this

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gentleman was saying to me, he was like, man, if
they had the protocols and the awareness and the conscientiousness
about neurological stuff today or you know back then that
they have today, who knows how many games guys would
have missed back in nineteen eighty five, eighty seven, eight.
I applaud and I champion the manner in which they're

(08:04):
doing it now when it comes to brain safety and
neurologically speaking, I'm not a neurologist, but the human brain
appears to be the last frontier of medical understanding and
the fact that we still are learning about what makes
it work and what damages it in et cetera. Now,
with all of that said, we know that Mooney Ward

(08:25):
had a concussion, missed time from a concussion, then came back,
and then had the second concussion that happened during the
pregame when he collided with Drew Ogiltree. He has played
a total I believe five games so far this year, right,
he's played five games for the Colts. But in the
time that he has come back, he has admittedly looked

(08:48):
not necessary, that there were I remember two weeks ago
in Kansas City saying, I think we said it on
this show, that there were times where he just looked
a step slow, he looked a little bit off and behind.
And athletes inherently are competitors. Athletes inherently are trying to

(09:10):
put food on the table. They're trying to win games,
They're trying to you know, I have always said, Eddie,
when it comes to this job in JMV, I think
and I have talked about this. I've done this for
a long time, and even still I'm always worried about,
or paranoid of, or hesitant to take extensive vacation time

(09:32):
or time off because I'm well aware of the fact
that you're easily replaced. Somebody else comes in, does a
really good job, and it's like, okay, well there you go.
Like there's just there is a competitive nature that takes
place with that, and for pro athletes, I think it's
the same. The reason I say all that is because

(09:52):
more often than not, guys are not honest about injury.
More often than not, guys in the competitive nature because
they want to a help their team win and B
they don't want to give up their seat, they mask
when things are not one hundred percent. They're not totally

(10:12):
honest about it, you know. I mean Peyton Manning made
the joke about the fact that like when he would
at the beginning of the year have to do the
precursor for the concussion test, he would kind of throw
it so that it would make it that much more
difficult to know if he truly had a concussion, so
that they wouldn't take him out of games. He was
being flippant, But the core of it is there. I
say all of that to say this. Mooney Ward yesterday

(10:35):
after we got off the air, was asked about his
level of play since coming back from concussion protocol, and
more often than not, athletes say, no, I'm good. I'm good.
I mean, just you know, it takes a little bit
of time. You know, your timing is a little bit off,
but it was good to get out there with the
guys and I'm getting my feet back underneath me, et cetera.

(10:56):
That's usually what guys say, But after doing this a
long time, you can start to hear when guys say
something and you go, WHOA, that's different. This is mooney
Ward yesterday, when asked about his level of play and
whether or not it was still not at where it
needs to be in his eyes, coming off of concussion protocol.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
You just got to get my mind right and my
heart right, you know. Once you know, once I get
my mind right, my heart right, I think my physical
physical body and the way I perform that'll be good.
But like I said, as long as my mind cloudy,
I don't really play good all the time. So I'm
just trying to you know, focus in like and get

(11:39):
you know, get get focused in. I think I'll started
playing better.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay. And I applaud his honesty. I applaud his transparency,
But that to me is extremely troubling. And I'm not
talking about from a football standpoint. I'm not talking about
that's troubling. Why is a guy out there if he's
not one hundred percent? That's up the Colts best understand

(12:06):
and mooney War best understands. Maybe mooney Ward at seventy
percent is better than his backup at one hundred. I
get all that, and from his standpoint, sure you have
an obligation. You played in Kansas City and San Francisco.
Now you're in Indianapolis. You come back. He had a
big play that when they went in Kansas City. Don't
get me wrong, but play this again, Eddie. Play this

(12:29):
again and listen for two key phrases here which we're
going to go over afterwards. This to me is this
is a developing storyline within the colt seat. I'm not
trying to make him outain out of a mole hill here,
but this when you have a player being this transparent
and using these words words like cloudy mind and heart,

(12:50):
play it again.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
You just got to get my mind right and my
heart right. You know. Once you know, once I get
my mind right, my heart right, I think my physical
physical body and I perform that'll be good. But like
I said, as long as my mind cloudy, I don't
really play good all the time. So I'm just trying
to you know, focus in like and get you know,

(13:13):
get get focused in. I think I'll start playing better.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
I think I'll start playing better. But as long as
my mind is cloudy, I don't play good all the time.
That is a guy admitting that his mind is cloudy.
And when one's mind is cloudy, then their mind and
their heart aren't right as it should be. I'm not

(13:41):
condemning him in any way, shape or form. I applaud
his transparency, I applaud his honesty. But that becomes when
you have a player who is outwardly admitting that neurologically speaking,

(14:02):
he's cloudy. My mind is cloudy, and so I don't
play good all the time. When you and you already
have the situation with sauce Gardner, now we know, I
think it's probably gonna be three games yesterday if you're
just if you weren't with us yesterday, we had Ralph
Riefund and Ralph has been an athletic trainer for decades

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at the highest of levels, the top level of athlete
amongst all sports. He was the director of assembling the
training staffs for the Olympic Games in nineteen ninety six
in Atlanta, So we're talking the top level of experience
and understanding. And he was saying, while not knowing the

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specifics of sauce Gardner's injury and not seeing those specifics,
that his expertise tells him that the way that the
injury was described of sauce Gardener that that would be
a twenty one day rest period from the time of
basically impact, okay, and that twenty one day period would
mean three games, So let's say three to four games

(15:06):
for sauce Gardner. The Colts now put themselves let me
rephrase that. That's the wrong word. It's not their fault.
The Colts now find themselves in a position where one
of the toughest areas to have solidarity and to have
consistent depth is defensive back. And for whatever reason, I

(15:31):
don't know, if it's a jinx on whatever, it might be,
the right they're kind of right back eddie the square
one because going into the season, going into last season,
what did Chris Ballard say when he was asked about
the roster of the Colts, when he was asked about
the areas that he was trying to shore up. One
of the things he said was, look, in terms of
defensive backs, like I got to see my guys play.
I got to get them out there and see them play.

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And he you know, Juju Brents, for example, who is
no longer here. Obviously at no fault of Juju Brents.
It was just the fact that he never got a
chance to see him play, and eventually it was like,
I've got to see what a guy can do before
I can determine what a guy can do. And injuries
were such that it was too difficult to get him
out there with any consistency. And now going into this year,

(16:15):
you felt good. You feel good about Nick Cross in
the safety position, right, you feel really good about you know,
obviously Kenny Moore. You know what you're getting there. And
then you go out and you make the trade, not
two first round picks for Sauce Gardner. You go out
and you sign Shaverius Ward, you sign cam Bynham. I'll
give Chris Ballach credit. He went out there and addressed

(16:37):
what needed to be addressed. And Jalen Jones is another
guy that I got to see him play, but he
was dinged up at the beginning of camp. He was
dinged up for the outset of the year. And I
think it's a nice player, but you put him in there,
and now all of a sudden, you got Jonathan Edwards.
If Ward is not able to go, and I realized

(16:58):
that he played in the theoretically will be playing this
week when they go to Jacksonville. But when you have
a guy outwardly saying my mind's not right, my heart's
not right, and my mind is cloudy, he is admitting
right there that it's impacting his level of play on
the field, and he's admitting it by saying that he

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is not one hundred percent healed from an area that
is the most dangerous and the most sensitive in the
National Football League in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
You gotta remember Jake what he said coming out of
concussion protocol. He said he was not feeling better until
the bye week, and that was like two weeks.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
He wondered if he'd ever play again. Rights correct, Yeah,
And I hope the absolute best for him. I don't
know him personally. We've had him on the show. I
think I don't know him. I know Jame B's had
him on several times. I don't know him personally. Seems
like a wonderful guy. I'm speaking to this as a
human being, not as a football player. The football aspect

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of it is secondary, and the Colts have to worry
about from the football standpoint what happens at that position.
And maybe I am making a mountain out of a
mole hill maybe I am, But it just is the
one area that I think necessitates the most caution, the
most caution when it comes to maintaining and analyzing a

(18:21):
player's health. Steven Holder are going to join us, by
the way, two o'clock today. We will undoubtedly discuss this.
Scott Agnes is going to join us one o'clock today.
We'll get into what happened last night with the Pacers.
Is Jay Huff the most prolific three point shooter in
the first two minutes of games in the history of
the National Basketball Association in the first quarter? Yeah, the

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other night the other night when he had fourteen he
had their first fourteen points. He did, and we're all
laughing about it, And I said, and then we were
taking predictions on what he would end up with. He
had fourteen points in the first three minutes of the game,
and I said, I'll bet he ends up with twenty three.
I think he ended up with fourteen, didn't he? He
did last night? He hit a pair of threes in

(19:02):
the first couple of possessions. Right, yep. What did he
ended up with last night? I can't remember. Again. I
go back to what I most enjoy about Jay Huff is.
I've said this on the air. He looks like he
might be a goat farmer from Vermont. That's what I
most enjoy about him. Fifteen But I think that and

(19:23):
I was ready to throw in the towel on Jay Huff.
I was ready way too early. I went way too
early on it of saying this guy. I can applaud
that they went out and tried to give it a shot,
but just ain't gonna work. And you know what, in
an area where you are desperately trying to find bright

(19:46):
spots about the Pacer season, I actually think Jay Huff
has been a real bright spot, not because he hits
those threes, but because when you look at where they're
going to go, and I really really think this is
where they're going to go. I don't know this. This

(20:07):
is what Jake Querry would do if Jake Querry was
an executive for the Pacers, and Jake Querry is not.
But I would at the trade deadline trade Benedict Mathern
nothing against him, but in a numbers game, when you
look at the roster and you look to a year
two years from now, salaries, everything else. Unfortunately, no fault

(20:29):
of his own he's kind of odd man out. I
would trade Benedict Mathern, and I would trade him for
an immediately ready to play, doesn't need time to get going,
athletic big that has experience in the NBA but still
has future ahead of him, a Mark Williams type. I'm
just using that name generically out of thin air, okay.

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But a an athletic run the floor, can play at
pace big, not one that you've got to wait on,
but one that from the time you get him and
put him in, once he learns the system, he's good
to go. I would trade Matherin for that player. Then,
with the pick that I'm going to have that I
brilliantly reacquired in my first round pick this year, still

(21:14):
assuming that's going to be a top ten or twelve pick,
it's going to be a lottery pick, I would use
that pick to draft the wing that is Benedict Matherin's
replacement in rotation. The next year, you have the year
to get Tyre's Halliburton back up into pace and back
reacclimated and get everything back together again. You bring over

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topping back, you got Nie Smith healthy. You now have
a young off the bench wing that can give you
eighteen to twenty minutes a night and give you twelve
to fifteen points that you acquired via the draft. And
you have the big that is the Miles Turner replacement,
and then notably, you have now off the bench Jay

(21:57):
Huff that can give you quality minutes that we have
seen in rem protection and in three point shooting, not
to the level. The longer you've got him on the floor,
the more that kind of gets exposed as Okay, this
is not in every possession durability guy, but off the
bench for an eighteen to twenty twenty two minute rotation guy,

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night in and night out. I really like Jay Huff.
I think he's a nice depth piece for them. He
is a guy that you probably aren't gonna win a
lot of games if he's your starting center, but if
he is your immediate off the bench, rotational, helpout, stretch guy,
center guy, whatever else. I think he has shown that
that is a really nice piece that they got and
that he can really help them moving forward. Speaking of

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moving forward this weekend at Lucas Oil Stadium, moving forward
with the Big Ten season, just to remain here for
a chance to win the Big Ten championship, the Ohio
State Buck guys, the number one team in the land,
the number two team in the land, the Indiana Hoosiers.
The Heisman's on the line, the Big Ten titles on
the line. A ton to get to and break down
with it. And Dave Revson is with the Big Ten Network,

(23:01):
and Dave Revsen joins us to discuss exactly that. On
the other side. Stage is set. You just heard JAMV
talking about it. Indiana and Ohio State for the Big
Ten Championship Lucas Oil Stadium on Saturday night. It will
be electric, especially considering Indiana and Louisville and basketball Gamebridge
Fieldhouse Saturday afternoon and then the nightcap is the big

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one for all the marbles within the conference. And joining
us now in the Java House Peel and poor guest line.
Of course, you see him on the Big Ten Network
and they will have all kinds of coverage. We also
have fan Fest tickets for the Big Ten Championship to
give away. We will do that upcoming. But Dave Revsen
joining me now, Dave, let's begin actually with this question
because I know you guys will be locked and loaded.

(23:46):
The coverage from the Big Ten Network standpoint of all
of the happenings in Indianapolis. I'm sure our vast your
responsibilities will be what during the time that you're here.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Hey, Jack, let's see, we're doing Big Tennis a day
stuff from down on the field on Friday, so that
is noon Eastern time. Well, then I think head over
to the fan Fest and we're doing some hits from
there which will air on the show at night, the
Big Show on Friday night, and then Saturday we have

(24:19):
an hour long preview in the morning. I want to
say that that is at eleven o'clock Eastern. I'm one
hundred percent sure. Maybe it's noon, and then we're on
the air. We're doing all the basketball halftimes for there.
I believe we have four basketball games during the course
of the day on Saturday, and so we'll be doing

(24:40):
the halftimes from there, and then we'll have some football
content around that in the fan Fest. So we've got
you know, if you're going to be at the fan
Fest on Saturday, we'll be set up pretty much all
day and people should come on over and give it
a listen that hour long show. We'll have guests and whatnot.
While we're talking. I'll try to get on my computer
here and see if I can figure out the time

(25:01):
on that. But here we go. Yeah, eleven o'clock Eastern
time will be on the air there on Sarday.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
So, Dave, let let's begin with this that this matchup
is obviously fascinating between Ohio State and Indiana. If you
were to rank, okay, if between offense and you know,
Ohio State offense, Ohio State defense, Indiana offense, Indiana defense,
if you were to rank those one through four the
unit rankings, they would rank what in terms of this
game going into it?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Oh man, I mean, I haven't thought of it in
those terms. It's interesting that you would ask. I think
I'd say Ohio State defense is definitely the best unit.
I mean, I think you maybe have to argue that
Indiana's defense is the second best unit in this game.
You know, there's second in the nation in scoring defense.

(25:51):
I mean, they've been really good. They're so hard to
run the ball against. So I'd say that, you know,
both the defenses are probably the two best units in
the game. I don't know that we really know. I
know this sounds crazy because we're twelve games in, but
I thought it was pretty interesting that sig was asked
yesterday in his news conference, do you think Ohio State

(26:13):
maybe holding some things back? And he said, I think
they might be on offense, like, which was a crazy
idea to me, but like the more I thought about it,
the more I kind of thought, you know, I wonder
whether he is right. I do think Indiana's offense, like
what we've seen this year. I think Indiana's offense is

(26:34):
better than Ohio State's offense. Ohio State has the best
individual player in this game. Like, I just think Jeremiah
Smith is a different way.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Agreed, I really do, Dave. I actually, and you tell
me if I'm wrong. Here, I told somebody Jeremiah Smith,
if he were to fall asleep and they were to
find him in Lucas Oil Stadium a week from Sunday,
he would be able to suit up and play in
an NFL game. I know he's not eligible to do so,
but his talent level is that I mean, this is
an NFL receiver right now, right.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, no, he's he's really great. And again, like the
Indiana receivers are amazing, So I you know, again, like
I think we're splitting hairs on this whole thing. Jake
like and I'm fascinated to see. You know, I don't
know if people have really talked about much, but the
Angela Pons was Jeremiah Smith's high school.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Teammate, So like, the Angela Pons is covered jam yeah,
and is a and is also a fabulous player for Indiana, right,
I mean, he and Adan Fisher have been cornerstones for them.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Incredible, So you know he have a little bit of
a chef on his shoulder to go one on one
with him. I don't know, I mean it's certainly an
interesting storyline that again I haven't seen people talk about
it a ton. Uh So I think we're splitting hairs.
Like again, I think Ohio States defense is as good
as anyf seen, but Indiana's got like a national championship

(27:59):
level defense in and a year. And then I think
Indiana's offense has shown us that to be a little
bit better so far this year than Ohio State's offense.
But Ohio State may have the best individual player, dous
I think of the best individual player in the game.
I just I think it's really close. Like there's a

(28:20):
reason in their rank one and two in the country.
These are, in my opinion, the two best teams.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
You know it, David feels to me, Dave Repsen of
the Big Ten Network is my guest here on the
Java House Peel and poor guest line. It feels to
me like the only difference in twenty twenty five between
these two teams is the legacy. You just listen. I
went to Indiana, right, I grew up. I watched Anthony Thompson,
I watched Steve Bradley, I watched Babe Lothenburg, I watched

(28:47):
Sam Whitch's teams, all of it. Right. But but and
having said that, it's still there's like one little tenth
of me that still is incredulous over the fact that
Indiana is the number two team in the C and
Ohio state feels like this behemoth, right, But yet they
are kind of mirrors of one another, are they not?

Speaker 5 (29:09):
They are?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I mean, look, it's hard to ignore thirty consecutive winses, right,
I mean, so at that part of it, I mean,
I get why you would think that way as an
Indiana fan. I mean, we're talking about this is the
longest wind streak that any program has had over any

(29:30):
other program in the history of the Big Ten. So
I think as a As an Indiana fan, you are
conditioned to think that no matter how good you are,
when you go up against Ohio State, it's just not
going to work out. And last year I think kind
of maybe reaffirm that. What's interesting to me was kind
of the notion that Indiana said that they used what

(29:53):
happened last year as a tool to understand where they
needed to get and that Signetti really, you know, he's
kind of from the get go. I don't think he ever,
like he hasn't ducked away from after the Ohio State
game and after the Dinner Name game last year saying
we got to get better on the line of scrimmage.
These were we were beaten on the line of scrimmage.

(30:15):
They were just better. Both those teams were just better
than us there. And I think he feels, I mean,
they clearly are better on the offensive line. But this
will be a really good test. I mean, well, we'll see.
But again, like kind of to your original question, like,
I just think it's hard if you haven't done it.
I think it's hard for a fan not to look

(30:36):
at it and say, well, we just never beat those guys,
and no matter how good we are, they're always better
than us. I thought, like Adan Fisher, I thought put
it really well this week where he said, hey, we're
twelve and oh for a reason. And you know, we
look at it as two great teams going head to head,
and I think that has to be the mentality and
if anyone can kind of get I don't think the

(30:58):
players have that same mentality that the fans have. I
really don't like. My sense is that Indiana looks at
themselves they say, last year, we thought we were really good.
We went up against them, we realized we had some
things we need to work on, and now we've worked
on them, and now we're going to see how we
match up. But we have every belief that we're going
to win.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Dave when Dave Repsen is my guest, when you you've
been around Kurt Signette, you guys have done obviously you
know preseason interviews and profiles and you know a number
of different aspects of it. And you mentioned last year,
you know there was and I get it. I mean
Kurt Signetti had to have and it's one of the
most remarkable stories in sports, the way he turned around Indiana,

(31:39):
and he had to have that exuding confidence that Kurt
Signetti has and it has worked right, but he caught
some heat after the Ohio State and Notre Dame games
just in terms of the bravada going into the game
and then the coaching in game, et cetera. Have you
seen any difference whatsoever in Kurt Signetti from last year

(32:00):
to this year.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
I mean, I think there's a little less bravado than
there was last year. I happened to, like, you know,
we were I was sitting next to him when he
came down. Your guests came up the day of his
press conference and sat there and told Jerry and Nicole
and me, you know, we're going to be back there
next year. And I was so flabbergasted. We hadn't seen

(32:25):
the press offense, so because we're you know, we were
working all day. I really didn't know what this guy was. Like.
I still say, I asked literally the worst follow up
question I've ever asked in my career, where he said
we're going to be back there next year, and like,
Nicole and Jerry looked at me and I'm like, you
want to go on record with that, and He's like, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Just did, yeah, yeah right.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Uh. Like I was so flabbergasted Jacob, like totally.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And in Indiana too, right, you know what I mean,
I get it, and.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah and the like, and like, you know, look, I've
been trying through Jerry for twenty years, right, I mean
because we there's our nineteenth season, the Big ten Network
eighteenth year, and then we worked together for two years
of ESPN before that, as you know. And so I
don't have the utmost respect for Jerry, you know. And
I mean, like he took over Indiana. I think he
has fifty.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Five places speaking by the way of Jerry DeNardo for
those yeah coaching.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
So when Jerry took over in Indiana, right, he's got
I think fifty five players on scholarship. He'd know the
exact number. I think he went through like three athletic career.
I think he says it's like three athletic directors, four presidents,
and six mission statements or something. I mean, it was
a disaster, right, like the place which is disorganized. They
weren't ready to win. And I like, I think the
world of him, and I think in different circumstances, he

(33:44):
could have been a really successful coach there. And so
like you're sitting next to a guy who has washed
in your shoes And I don't even think that. I
don't even know sig knew that, but like I was
almost this sounds so weird. It was almost protective of
Jerry in that moment, like do you know how hard
this job is?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
No question?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, like you know what you're getting into your sitting
next to someone who's lived it right, and it's crazy
to think, you know, I'd say, hey, horseshoots and Haggard
AD's like he was wrong, man, he was off by
a year, but it's crazy to think that he basically
got it right. Like in that moment, I thought to myself,
this has no idea how hard this job is, and

(34:27):
I'm not saying you can't do it. Look, Tom Allen
had him in the top ten, you know, like Tom
Allen had two pretty good years there and then it
just kind of fell apart. So I certainly never think
I don't think any job is impossible. I think you'd
be good administrative support, good alignment. They certainly had that.
In speaking with Scott Dolson kind of subsequent to the hire,

(34:49):
I think I understood the logic of it, but I
never in a million years would have thought that this
was going to end up where it is as quickly
as it's ended up there, and we have that bravado
and all that caught me off guard. I've kind of
gone down this whole path here back to your original
question of how he has handled I think he's handled
a little differently this year. But I love that about Signetty,

(35:11):
Like I love that he has a process that he
believes in that has proven to work over time, and
he doesn't care where he's doing it, Like, as long
as he has the proper support administratively, he believes that
he can get it done. And the proofs in the
pudding he has gotten it done.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Dave, I think the handed this year? Yeah, go ahead, Now,
I was gonna say, I think the thing that's so
impressive about him, And you tell me if this, if
you've kind of observed the same type thing. You could
take the third string long snapper on the Indiana football
roster and Kurt Signetti would tell you what size shoe
the guy wears and what way he prefers to tie them. Like,
he just seems to know his personnel and how they

(35:52):
respond to every situation from top to bottom as well
as anybody I've seen in coaching.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Would agree. And look, I think he is a football junkie,
and so I think that that goes to a lot
of different levels. I think part of it is the
psychological aspect and understanding his team and you know, having
kind of a process that he believes in that he

(36:21):
has kind of gone through trial and air with that,
He's learned from people that he's adapted people forget. You know,
everyone has the saving connection. But his dad was an
incredible coach, a Hall of Fame coach, and so he's
been around him. And his brother is a good coach,
and so like there's there's a lot like coaching. It's
just in his blood. But I'll tell you a story

(36:41):
Jake that really, like to me, is indicative of who
Kurt Signette is. And this is something goes back to
Tom Allen. Like when we go and do our camp
visit at Indiana every year, we go up into the
coach's office before the practice that day and Jeff Kagger's
the great sid there. I'm sure you know, you know,

(37:03):
like they are bagels and we have coffee and we
sit and talk to the coach. And we did it
with Tom and we've done it with seg here these
last two years, and both times we've gone in was
sig we have interrupted him watching film, and both years
it has interestingly been, well, like what are you watching? Well,

(37:25):
I've cut up some high red zone from across the
country and I'm watching high red zone clips and it's
just really interesting to me, Like that's what he got,
Like that's who he is. And he's not again, he's
not watching his team. He's watching like, you know whatever
Arizona you know, plays from the twenty three yard line

(37:47):
or eighteen yard line or whatever it is, right high
red zone. I guess so, and he's just like wow, okay,
you know, like it was one thing when he went
in the first year, and then the second year is like, hey,
he's doing the exact same thing. Like he can't get
enough football, and whether it's to your point, his team
and his players, or whether it's just the game in general,

(38:09):
Like he's always looking for some different He's always looking
for the edge, and I think that's part of what
makes him great, Like he lives, eats, breathes this stuff,
and maybe other coaches are the same way. You know,
I'm not suggesting that he watches more than anyone else
or breethes it, eats it, drinks it more than anyone else.

(38:30):
I'm just saying, like, there's just something about it that
I think he finds endlessly fascinating and it's helped a lot.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I think there are a lot of coaches that view film.
I think Kurt Signette watches film. Does that make sense? Yeah,
you know what I mean. I think he just from
what I'm told as well. You know, it's it's the
nuance of discovering things in it that go past most people.
Let me ask you this, what bagel are you getting?
Like when they when Jeff kg orders the bagels and
he's like, okay, repsid Big ten network, which one you

(39:00):
going with?

Speaker 2 (39:00):
You?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Blueberry bagel? Everything bagel, says me, bagel, what are you
going with?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, I'm more like sess to me or everything? Blueberry
bagels kind of like a fake bagel.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Okay, bagel far up in eighty sixth Street, though they
got a blueberry bagel with a slab of cream cheese.
That is heaven, buddy. Let me tell you that's like
watching the White Sox in late October, the total Heaven.
You don't see it very often, but tell Okay, Dave.
Last thing, is the Heisman Trophy on the line Saturday.
Is the Heisman going to go to one of these

(39:30):
two quarterbacks? And is it going to be the quarterback
that that statistically outperforms the other.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
That is my feeling. I mean, I'm a Heisman voter.
I consider it my obligation, and you know, I try
to do this kind of down the stretch on in
the process of doing this, of watching everyone who is
in the Heisman Trophy contention play and EVR games, watch
them back, and so I have a pretty good sense
from you know, kind of where I sit as to

(39:58):
how that's going to play, you know, with my vote,
And I would say this game will go a long
long way toward determining how my vote goes. I think
there's some other players who are really worthy. My loves unbelievable.
I think Bobby is really good. I come around about him.
But I think, you know, from where I said, these

(40:20):
two have been have been pretty.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And how does it work. Do you literally just get
a ballot and you write down, say your top five
or your top three. I mean what obviously they come
up with the finalists then, right and they send it
to you or how does it all work.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Now it's just your top three. You can vote for
anyone in the country. It's electronic. They did change it
this year, which is interesting. There used to be a
ten day voting window, which would have already begun. And
those of us who are you know, like who take
it really seriously? I mean, I think there's sponsibility, very very.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Seriously, which is appreciate.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Who in the world would vote now? Right, like you
to wait until championship weekend to see every data point
for every player. So they change it this year. You
cannot vote. I think it's open Sunday and Monday are
It's basically open for like forty eight hours, So you
cannot vote before the championship weekend, which I think is

(41:18):
a really positive step because you shouldn't. I mean, if
you're going to do this what I would perceive to
be the right way, you need to wait until you've
been able to watch every player at every possible situation.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Dave and the Big ten network crew will all be
in Indianapolis with coverage beginning you said Friday, everything gets underway,
right and then basically wall to wall Friday and Saturday,
including in the intermission of basketball games and all of
it to cover Indiana and Ohio state.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Right, absolutely, you got it, Dave.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I appreciate it. Safe travels down here by all means,
and we look forward to all of the coverage on
the Big ten network with Indiana and Ohio State. But
I certainly appreciate the time. I know you're busy.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
That's always my friend.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
See you too, appreciate it. Dave Revsen joining us on
the Java House Peelamport guest line. I have an unpopular
opinion about this game, and Eddie, I'll let you be
judging jury. And we have fan fast tickets to give away.
We're gonna give those away. Yes, all right, we will
do it. We'll let Eddie come up with the fashion
in which we will do it. Your chance to see
Dave and the filming and everything else takes place at
the Big ten fan Fest. We'll do that coming up

(42:22):
one o'clock hour as well. This happens with more regularity
than I care to admit. Okay, Eddie premonition, you hear
it right there from Ricky Who is this Ricky Martin?
Ricky Martin, thank you, been like twenty five years since
I've heard the song, so I always have this premonition.

(42:44):
I always have this clarity of thought where I think,
to myself, Okay, I would mention this on the radio,
but it is so incredibly obvious that there's it would
be ridiculous for me to talk about it because I'm
just saying. It would be like me going on the
air and saying, hey, breaking Indianapolis is the capital of Indiana. Well,
everybody knows that, right, there's no point in me doing that,

(43:04):
so well, thank you. This is just in court and
no longer the state capital. It's now Indianapolis, by the way,
where you're living. So with that, Eddie, I will have
something that comes to my mind and I think to myself,
it is very obvious. Then I'll mention it to a
couple of people and they will say, that's the dumbest

(43:26):
thing I've ever heard. You're the only person that thinks that.
And one of the difficulties of my life is the
fact that sometimes something that is so incredibly obvious to
me apparently is the opposite to the rest of the
civilized world. For example, here is the opinion that I'm
going to guess in our people's court version here as
you are Judge Watner and Doug Leuwell and Bog that

(43:46):
you are going to rule against me in this. Okay, okay,
but hear me out. I'm worried. This is my unpopular opinion.
As I'm driving last night to go to the Pacer game,
I start to and you can tell this with the
JW Marriott when they get the crews up there that
are putting up the big stickers and everything else. Right,
And then I'm driving down today and I see on

(44:09):
the JW. Marriott there is a huge, like four to
six story high sticker whatever you want to call it,
that says never Daunted. And it's the Indiana Football helmet. Okay,
Indiana is playing in the Big Ten Championship game on
Saturday evening at Lucas Oil Stadium in the shadows of
the JW. Marriott. The JW Marriott has long now been

(44:31):
the epicenter, if you will, of hospitality and of promotion
and celebration of event in Indianapolis. When the Indy five
hundred is here in running, obviously it's here every year
the borg Warner Trophy goes up. When the NCAA Final
Four is here, they put the entire bracket up on
the JW. Marriott. When any event comes to town, it

(44:52):
is promoted on the JW. Marriott. Now here is my
unpopular opinion for you, Eddie Garrison on my question what
fun fundamentally is the problem with a huge poster of
Indiana football on the JW Marriott Right now? I don't
know what is it? You tell me? Okay? I hate
Ohio State. I hate them right, just like everyone outside

(45:17):
of Ohio. Correct. There is nothing more borish and obnoxious
than the Ohio State fan base. I hate them. I
love that they come here and spend all their money,
and I think they're good people because the rest of
the year I actually am akin to them because I'm
a Reds fan and so tour a lot of them.
But when it comes to the way that they choose
their football team, they all air. Okay. Now, having said

(45:37):
that the Big Ten Championship Game, Indianapolis has been selected
as the host city of the Big Ten Championship Game.
As the host city of the Big Ten Championship Game,
that means that if you're going to put something up
on the JW Barriout, it needs to be celebration and
champion of the event itself, not with a buy towards

(46:00):
one team and while I understand that Indiana is the
athletic program that is indigenous to the state in which
the JW Marriott sits, the reality is that putting that
up on the JW Marriott where mind you, probably the
majority of people staying there this weekend are fans of,
wait for it, Ohio State. But nonetheless, it is the

(46:21):
responsibility of whether it be the sports corp unless that
was paid for by Indiana University. There needs to be
an objectivity and not a bias shown. Even though we
all assume that most people in Indianapolis and for that matter,
the civilized world, are rooting for Indiana to beat Ohio State,
while we all assume that it is the responsibility of

(46:44):
the promotion of the event to do so to celebrate
the fact that the Big Ten Championship Game is being
housed in Indianapolis, and not to show favoritism towards one
team or the other. And I think it's actually somewhat
irresponsible to show a favoritism towards one team. Now that
maybe that the graphics incomplete and have yet to put
the Ohio State helmet up, and then they're going to

(47:05):
put a Big Ten trophy in the middle of it.
I don't know, but I think they should celebrate and
champion the fact that we are hosting the event and
that as the epicenter of hospitality, the JW Marriott should
show a welcome of all to the championship event. I
guess it all depends Jake on who's buying the space,
Like is IU buying if I use buying it, I
get that, But in any other capacity, even if it's

(47:28):
the JW, they should be showing it as an equal
fifty to fifty of celebrating the fact that we are
privileged as a city to welcome all for the Big
ten title. Yeah. Now, Scott Agnes joins us on the
Java House Peel and poor guest Line Fieldhouse files his
coverage of the pacers. We'll let Scott, who just had
to sit through that entire soliloquy, opine and way in, Scott,

(47:50):
Am I right or wrong on this?

Speaker 6 (47:53):
I think you guys are hitting it completely right there,
as if it suggests to me that it's eye you purchase.
They've leaned into this never daunted theme over the last
couple of years, and so if they sought it out
and commissioned it, no big deal with that but certainly
if it's something put on by the city or anything
like that, I don't think they would have done that.
They would have done something neutral.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Okay, that's and that's my thought because now it's different.
When the Pacers were in the NBA Finals, they put
up the Pacers graphic, but that's different because the Pacers.
The NBA Finals were only in Indianapolis. Because of the Pacers,
it was not selected. So in other words, the if
Indianapolis was the Super Bowl host city and the Colts

(48:34):
happened to be in it, I still would anticipate that
it would have the Lombardi on it, and then the
Colts helmet and the NFC helmet both both on there.
You know, you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
I guess it depends who's the highest bidder, right with
that space, because we've seen advertisements in terms of you know,
Gatorade putting Caitlin Clark up there, correct or when it
was INDI's All Star Game they put Tyrese Haliburton up there,
but it was advertising how everyone could get involved with
All Star wreck.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Like when Caitlin Clark during the All Star Weekend for
the WNBA, Nike put her up there. But it said
from downtown in my hometown, like welcome all you know
what I mean. It was like she was the ambassador
and he was the ambassador, welcoming everyone, regardless of allegiance.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
I think the best example of this would be Taylor Swift.
I can't believe Taylor commissioned a big portrait of her
on the side of the JW. Right that had to
be presumably downtown Indye or visit Indy to welcome all
the Indie fans, and so that was a neutral contributor.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I just I think that
when you have Indianapolis should push its chest out about
the fact that it has been selected for years now
as the host city. Regardless of who the opponent is.
It just happens to be fantastic that it's Indiana University.
But maybe you're right. I mean, if I you bought

(49:52):
it themselves, that's different. And if that's the case, then
no issue, no problem, All right, Scott, Let's get to
last at Gambridge field House the Pacers in Cleveland. I
I saw a slow and late arriving crowd and I
thought to myself, maybe this crowd is not here because
people have accepted the fact that the Pacers this year

(50:16):
are on the struggle bus, but obviously it was weather
impacted because the crowd then was pretty good. I think
people have figured out and are understanding and patient to
the fact of they're struggling because everyone is hurt.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
But there are some players that you look at Scott
and you say, Okay, this is going to be a
net positive in the long run because this player's X
and Y are getting significant minutes that are then going
to help them acclimate once the Pacers are back full throttle.
And then other guys I call them empty calorie guys.

(50:51):
There are some guys that are empty calorie guys that
you just need calories and they're not providing you anything,
but you just need them because you're hungry. Right, So said,
give me a player or two so far this year
that you look at and you say, they're taking advantage
of showing what they can do, and they're going to
be part of a rotation once everybody's healthy.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
Yeah, I would say as a whole. The first guy
that jumps out to me it is Jay Huff as
a reserve. I don't know if he's your starter full time,
but I think he's really now settled in Jake over
the last three weeks or so and showed exactly how
productive he can be in the minutes that he's given.
I mean, his block shot ability has been as good
or better than advertised. So he's the number one guy

(51:32):
I think of making a mark because I bet not
one Pacer fan had heard of him before he was
acquired here. The trouble is, the list isn't very long
right now.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Jake.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
We've had moments, We've seen Isaiah Jackson, There's been moments
for Jaris Walker and Benedict Mathern. I would say as
the whole, he's been very good. Obviously last night a
little bit of an off night, just eleven points three
of nine was not a big factor in this, but
overall it's been able to be counted on for about
twenty points per game and continues to grow within his game.

(52:05):
Still on his rookie deal, so I would also put
him in that conversation.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
What is the contractual status because I think they got
a hardship last year kids he was out. Where do
things stand contractually with Isaiah Jackson?

Speaker 6 (52:18):
Isaiah Jackson just came off his rookie deal last year.
It was the same situation. We should note, as Benedict Mathern,
they did not reach an agreement in the fall before
the season, and so he went into a contract year
into the detriment and Isaiah Jackson's standpoint, he suffered that
a torn achilles, which obviously negatively impacts your value just

(52:40):
because it's the injury that it is. So the Pacers
re signed him this past offseason a three year deal
worth twenty one million.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Okay, I couldn't remember. So he is in for three
years because Scott, I'll be honest, and I like Isaiah
Jackson a great deal, but I have wanted to see
more than I have seen thus far. Am I too
critical considering the injury?

Speaker 6 (53:04):
I would just say a little bit.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
No.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
I think he's obviously he's absolutely left wanting us all
wanting for more out there. But I also didn't expect
for him to be thrown into the starting lineup immediately
or be asked to play twenty five minutes in some circumstances.
And you know, last night I think was their fifth
game in seven days something like that. And so that's why,
for example, you saw a veteran like TJ McConnell held out.

(53:29):
They just according to Rick Carlisle postgame, he said, it's
no new injury. We just didn't feel like with all
these games that he looked sharp at the beginning of
the game, so we cut him off for the rest
of the game. Well now I'm factoring that. Okay, Isaiah
Jackson coming off the worst injury. All of us really
agree that you can have. Okay, we got to be
a little bit delicate with it. But also he's a
professional and paid at this level, so we should expect more.

(53:52):
But yeah, there's definitely a lot to be desired still.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Scott Agnes is our guest Joba House Peel and poor
guest line where you here or him Fieldhouse Files where
you can read his work and coverage. Scott, let's go
back to Jay Huff, I said earlier, and I want
your thought on this. Do you see Jay Huff as
somebody that is still auditioning to be a long term

(54:19):
starter for the Pacers or is Jay Huff a guy
that is realistically an eighteen to twenty one minute off
bench solid piece once everybody's there guy.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
Sad part is I think it's both. Realistically, it's the latter.
It's play that eighteen minutes per game off the bench.
Being an energy guy, He's really showed some consistency from
beyond the arc. He plays in that respect in his
blocking like Miles Turner. So for fans it's probably a
comfort blanket. It's familiar in what they get from a center,
whereas Isaiah Jackson very different from that respect. But right

(54:55):
now they don't, in my opinion, have a starting caliber center,
no one playing at that level. Therefore, I think they're
all starting for that or trying for that long term
gig for this season.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
The the thing about Jay Huff, I agree with you,
and he is really in the last I don't know,
a week or two, I think, become more active around
the rim. He just seems more comfortable in the flow
of what they want. But you tell me this, Scott,
do you feel that he has the same high post

(55:26):
passing and facilitating ability that and I hate to compare
everything to Miles Turner, but that's what you're replacing, right.
Does he have the same facilitating nature that Miles Turner had.

Speaker 6 (55:37):
I'm not sure they asked Miles to do a lot
of that facilitating. There was certainly some picking pops a
lot where he was coming up to set the screen.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
But Turner would come up at the beginning of a possession.
Turner would you know. Obviously a lot of times he
was coming down, he was the last one down because
he was starting a breakoff of a block or whatever else.
But a lot of times he would flash up, he'd
get the ball in the high post and then they
would kind of start that weave, if you will, And
he was usually the first guy that would kind of

(56:06):
pop it out to one of those two and then
he flashes back down, right. Yeah, he had a lot
of movement. Yeah, from the top of the ark. He
would get it first, then switch it to the other side,
and then go move off the ball. You're right in
that ass. So do you feel that that huff can
be that kind of a guy?

Speaker 6 (56:21):
I do, Yeah, I think so. He's agile. I think
you're right. He's gotten not only a lot more comfortable
and confident in the know how of this system and
what is being asked if him from her Carlisle, but
I also think he's gotten his conditioning, and that was
such a big thing early on. Without that, you're always
playing ketchup and huffing and puffing out there, and so
now he's at the point where, yeah, I think you
can flow or facilitate if you will, because right now

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they don't have that dominant guard or dominant guy that
they are playing through. They need to play through Siakam
as much as possible. But yeah, I think Jay Huff
can be utilized in many of the similar ways.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
I saw last night. Scott, were you down of the
game last night by chance? Still?

Speaker 7 (57:03):
No?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Okay? The there was a late in the game, mid
fourth quarter, I think, and I don't know if they
if the broadcast caught this or not, Matherin missed a
blockout and Carlile called a timeout. I can't remember if
he called the timeout because of the miss blockout or

(57:23):
if it just so happened there was like an out
of ball, or you know, maybe Cleveland called the timeout.
But Rick Carlyle like got down, almost like on a
stool across from Benedict Mathern to get in his grill
basically about the miss blockout and kind of gave the
riot act to the entire roster sitting there for the

(57:44):
for almost the totality of the timeout, and everybody responded fine,
and he didn't pull anybody out. They went back out
It wasn't like some ugly situation, but it was a
unique situation. I don't know that I've seen Rick Carlyle
get that agitated in vocifrus during a timeout during the
course of a game. Am I missing something or is

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that out of character?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
No?

Speaker 6 (58:07):
I think that's on brand. How many times do we
see him call those quick timeouts like start of the second.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Score that, but then he usually usually it's short bursts.
I will and he kind of writes the assistance then
handle it right like for him. What I'm saying is, yes,
usually he'll call the timeout and then he goes up
high and like Jenny will come out and they'll talk
for a second, and Lloyd Pierce or somebody will go
and kind of handle things, and then he kind of
comes down and goes over what needs to be done
for him to call it specifically to undress everybody. He

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wasn't wrong, and I applaud it, but I just to
me that jumped out at me. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
I think normally what he'll do, mostly for like an
individual blowing a coverage or something, he'll erupt on them briefly,
make the point and then go right into the timeout
like you said, and everybody. These guys are smart enough
they know exactly where they just messed up and why
that timeout was called, and so it kind of goes
without saying there, but yeah, you're you're seeing a lot
of that coaching, a lot of that emotion. I think

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them out from all of them, because there is no
margin for air right now for this team.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Do you think Pascal Siakam that game winner that he
hit Scott to see that bench erupt and you know,
basically cross the mid court stripe with him and everyone
around him, that to me looked like a roster that
was understanding of the toll that things were taking on

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Pascal Siakam because he's a guy that's used to winning
and now he's like the lone soldier out there and
no fault of anybody's because of the attrition. Do you
think that emotionally it is wearing on Pascal Siakam? I
think absolutely, how could it not?

Speaker 6 (59:44):
And I think it's weighing on all of them, but
no one more than him, given the how much of
a burden he's had to shoulder, especially as is the
running mate with Andrew Nemhard missed a lot of time
with injury and so they he was the one guy
you could count on for about twenty five minutes per game,
even Matheren miss time with that turf toe. He was
the one stable point that this team had, and for

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him to contribute like he did, to play the big
minutes like he was playing. He was playing like thirty
six minutes per game back when more guys were out.
And so, yeah, I think you just saw that pent
up frustration and just the team losing, be like, look,
I finally got some luck, we finally got a win,
and it boiled over to the point where you could

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see how they talk about his leadership being a big deal.
I thought you could see that here where they all
just wanted to celebrate him in so many different ways.
I mean, pouring water on his head and taking his
headband and those things you don't do for a guy
you don't like. They love Pascal and the levels in
which he's contributing to this team on and off the court.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Scott, what's the latest on Fieldhouse Files and what you're
working on?

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
Yeah, Lloyd Pierce is hosting a coat drive this afternoon
at three point thirty there at Horizon House. So looking
back at last year and looking ahead and hopefully a
big contributions to the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Scott, did you go to the Noblesville Boom game on
Saturday to watch him take on the Wisconsin Herd.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
I did, and I'm actually, yeah, yeah I did. I
saw them get the win over the Herd. And more
to that, I had a long postgame conversation with Victor Oladipo.
I was the only one there covering it and had
an opportunity to catch up with him, and he expanded
on so many different ways that he has changed, and
his simple message to Pacers fans is judge me for

(01:01:27):
who I am now, not what I was. I've changed
a ton since then. He expressed some remorse for a
lot of different things, and now he's just not ready
to call basketball quits just yet, and so that's why
he's staying after it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Do you believe that in that conversation, and that's interesting, Scott,
that Oladipo would say that he was at the game
the night before, right, I mean, he was there kind
of incognito. Actually I looked over and I'm like, is
that Oladipo over there? But do you think that, in
fact he does regret just kind of the way things
were handled and the way that he left here.

Speaker 6 (01:02:02):
I do I think how how he handled the situation
as a whole, and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I can't remember how it was the exact situation. I
pardon my ignorance and asking that. I just know that
he was injured and then did he ask for a trade?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Is that what it was?

Speaker 6 (01:02:14):
It was one of those writings on the wall here
that I'm not kind of happy here and and so
you should kind of move me. And eventually he made
it clear he wanted to get to Miami, and so
they dealt him in that deal, if I remember correctly,
to Houston, which brought back Karris LeVert in a four
team trade. And the biggest issue we found it was

(01:02:36):
more so the lead up and how everything was handled
while he was still here, mostly since his injury, and
he chose the doctor and went to Miami and rehabbed
away from the team, and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
He didn't guess what, I remember that during the playoffs
he the first they played Boston in the playoffs, if
I'm not mistaken, and he missed he missed the first game,
like missed his flight and didn't make it back for
the first game.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
There is weather delays on the tarmac and his plant
his private jet couldn't get out in time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
That ain't good.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
Yeah, And then that delayed him, if I remember right,
to a shoot around. And so he finally saw the
guys and met up shortly a couple hours before the game,
and they just wanted to focus on the game. They
just trying to get a win and prevent a sweep here,
and so that that was a little messy. But the
overriding theme I think in all this is the doctor
didn't do the surgery correct Jake, and then that quad

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ten and ruptured again, and then he changed agents two
or three different times. To me, it fundamentally comes down
to what he wants, who he trusts in the circle
of trust that he allows around or within him, and
that that was bad for him down the stretch and
has led them down this path where you know, he's

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had these injuries and now is on the outside looking
in for an NBA contract. But I think he'll make
it back. It's just he's got to embrace this role
of being that veteran like a James Johnson, who can
contry beat at times, but can he lead in other
ways and find out other ways to tribute on a
veteran minimum and has he gained weight?

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
He looked bigger. He looked thicker to me. I'm not
saying fat, but maybe it's muscle. But he looked bigger
to me, maybe a little.

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
I didn't notice anything substantial in that level.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Scott Agnes field House Files, Java House, Peel and Poor
Guest line and you can read all about Oladipo and
the rest of it on the website. Scott appreciate the
time as.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
Always, of course, thanks guys.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Scott Agnes joining us. All right, Eddie, we have the
did we give away the Big ten Fan Fast tickets?

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
We did not?

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Okay? In what fashion? Would you like to do so?
So we will do this via the text line I
have a trivia question on the reddi Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Do you I do? So?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
This is going to go to the first person to
correctly answer your trivia question by texting their guests at
two through nine, ten seventy correct. Yes, these are tickets
to the Big ten Fan Fest. We later have Motley
Crue giveaway as well your trivia question for the Big
ten fan Fest tickets. This is your opportunity again to
enjoy at the convention Center all of the festivities. The

(01:05:00):
Big Ten Network broadcasting live. There would be bands, there,
there are trophies, there's history, there's videos. It's awesome. It's
a very cool way to get in the celebratory mood
of the Big Ten Championship Game being in Indianapolis. Eddie,
your trivia question that people need to answer at two
three nine ten seventy via text is okay?

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
So since twenty and eleven there have been obviously quarterbacks
to win the award, but from twenty eleven to twenty
sixteen one two, three four, five of the six winners
were all quarterbacks. Since then, of winners of the Big
Ten Tournament Football Championship MVP, gotcha okay? And since then

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there have been just two. That started in twenty seventeen.
Name the last quarterback to win the MVP in the
Big Ten Football Championship Game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
The last Big Ten Championship Game Most Valuable Player to
have been a quarterback? Yep, that's the question. Yep, two nine,
ten seventy is the telephone number if I'm not stake
and it's a guy that actually no hints, no hints,
no hints, yet rub people the wrong way when he
was awarded it. I could be wrong we'll get to

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the answer and let you know who gets tickets next.
It was a humdanger of a question that Eddie Garrison
came up with. As a matter of fact, it's stumped
the namesake of the program because I guessed. And your
question again, Eddie, if you could please repeat the question.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
So in uh, I think it was six of the
first seven years. I'd have to recount, but if not,
at least five of the first six years of the
Big Ten Football Championship the MVP was won by a quarterback. However,
it has been six years since the last quarterback has
won the MVP.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Who was So the question is who was the last
quarterback to be named the Big Ten Championship Game Most
Valuable Player? Yes, and my immediate guess was and it
was the guy that kind of caught some heat because
when he was named the MVP and he went up
and took the trophy from Archie Griffin, he swiped it
away like he was stealing something from him. And I

(01:07:06):
guessed Connor Cook of Michigan State. And you are telling
me that that was not correct, right, That is incorrect.
Fun fact, though he is the only guy that has
won the MVP more than once did he play in
the league maybe briefly. The correct answer and the song
that we came back with should tell you do we

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have a winner? Eddie? Yes, that winner is Jackson Miles.
He got it correct. Justin Fields of Ohio State.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
Got a lot of CJ. Strouds. In fun fact, c J.
Stroud never won the Big Ten Championship. Justin Fields was
probably the quarterback the last time Ohio State was in
it was he not Ohio State was lasted in the
Big Ten Championship in twenty twenty. What year was Fields
twenty nineteen?

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Gues was it that long ago?

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
Trey Sermon was your MVP in twenty twenty? Future cults
and now former cults Speaking of college football and the
Indiana logo on the JW. Marriott, I think more I
actually appreciate it. People seem to agree with me on this.

(01:08:18):
Somebody said, how do you know that the logoing's not done?
That's what I said. It's entirely possible that Ohio State
goes up there as well. But Alec, your only friend,
pointed out it had to have been paid for by
Indiana because when Purdue was in the Big Ten title game,
they did not put Purdue up.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
There was nothing up for Purdue, right, I don't know.
That's probably good. That's a good point when they played
Michigan or they were going to put a Purdue sign
up on the JW and Michigan stole it. Right now,
here is another unpopular college football opinion. We also have
Motley Crew tickets to give away later in the show

(01:08:53):
as well. I don't understand, and I know that this
is not a local story per se, but it is
a big story in college football. And you know, there
are smaller stories. For example, Purdue today, one of the
items in the news regarding Purdue Sterling Smith Stu Smith

(01:09:16):
from Cathedral announcing that he will be entering the transfer
portal and leaving the Purdue football program with two years
of eligibility left. And that's going to be the first
of many, probably at Purdue and anywhere. I mean, this
is just the reality of all of it. Right of
football in twenty twenty five. Here is one thing that

(01:09:42):
is a big storyline in college football, the Lane Kiffin saga.
And I know nobody in Indianapolis, for the most part,
cares about Lane Kiffen in terms of the specifics of
LSU versus old miss. I've never understood why Lane Kiffen
is this. I mean, this guy just fails upward. It's

(01:10:06):
unbelievable to me. Is he a good coach? Sure? But
Lane Kiffin, to me, is the red properties in monopoly?
You want to you gotta go Boardwalk park Place.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
At the very least, you need one of the you know,
like North Carolina Avenue or one of those green properties.
The red ones are fine. I think it's like Indiana
and Illinois or something like that, or the names of
the properties. They're fine. Indiana, Illinois and Kentucky. Is Kentucky
a red one? Look at you? What are the orange? Orange?
That would be New York, Tennessee and Saint John's. No, No,

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I had no idea you had this skill? Is it
Saint John's? Okay? What are the greens? North Carolina? What else?
Pennsylvania and Pacific? What are the what are the light blues?
The light blues you're looking at? Is that Baltic and Mediterranean?
Baltic is the brown and Mediterranean? Also the brown? It's

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Oriental Connecticut. I forget the third one? Okay? What about okay?
How about this? The yellows, the ars Vermont Atlantic and Vermont. Okay,
look at Eddie, you played.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
I played Monopoly a lot when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Apparently I had no idea you had this skill. What
other board games of which you were? You a whiz?

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Yatzi? Okay, Monopoly was the big one, Yatzi. Sorry, trouble
Sorry is a fun one now shoots in ladders with
Lane Kiffin. He's getting Monopoly money. I understand why he left.
This is what I don't understand. I've come around on this.

(01:11:49):
People that are upset at Lane Kiffen for leaving, or
any coach, people that think or any player that I
have been, and maybe I'm jaded. I've been laid off.
I've been part of corporate layoffs. I have to think
about this four times in my career. Four is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Three or four? And you know what, each time that
I was part of a corporate layoff, or my contract
wasn't renewed or whatever it might be. Okay, each time
that happened my place of employment. And I don't blame them.
I left on goodwill and all of them. To be
honest with you, I mean, I let you know, I

(01:12:37):
understand it. It's it's the business. I get it. I'm
not asking that that be taken into consideration and making
me an easy layoff here. I'm just saying I get it.
But you know what never happened in those in those times,
I never once had a place call me and say,
we're undergoing a corporate restructure, what's a convenient time to
lay you off? I got an e mail or a

(01:13:00):
phone call that said, unfortunately, we're going through a corporate
restructure and we're going to need you to bring in
your playbook. Why do we get upset when coaches or
players have an opportunity to move elsewhere and make a
ton more money, and then we get mad at the

(01:13:20):
timing in which they do it. Yeah, the timing sucks
for old Miss. I get it. But if Ole Miss
decided that the time was going to come where they
were going to fire Lane Kiffen, were they going to
ask him what was the most convenient time for him
and his family? No, they come in and they go
you're gone. So, while it wouldn't be my preference in

(01:13:43):
terms of leaving a job, when a player or a
coach has an opportunity to improve their livelihood and their
income by going elsewhere, why do we get mad when
they exercise that as opposed to like Lane Kiffin tried
to put in two weeks. He tried and they said, no, thanks.

(01:14:06):
I get it, But why are we mad at him?
I mean, he's an unlikable dude. He's a good looking
dude that like seems kind of cocky, and he seems
to leave places all the time in the middle of
the night. I get it, But you kind of know
at this point what you're getting into. Old miss had
to know when they gave the guy the gig. He
left Tennessee in the middle of the night. He left,
you know, Florida Atlantic International, whichever Florida was he was at,

(01:14:28):
probably in the middle of the night. I mean, I
get it's kind of his brand. You kind of know
what you're getting into, right, Why do you think you're
going to be different? And why why do we he
made what ninety one million is what LSU's given him.
LSU who's paying three coaches now at Ojeron they're still
playing Brian Kelly and they're paying then, you know what
I mean, good for him, right, ninety one million. I

(01:14:49):
just have always been a little bit confused why people
in this country. You hear all the time. Hey, you
hear Brian moved? Oh he did? Yeah, I saw it
on Facebook. Brian's moving. Really he has house up for sale.
How come got a job in Tulsa. He got like
a twenty thousand dollars raise. Good for Brian. That's awesome. Yeah,
he's having guys over to drink beer and help him pack. Awesome.

(01:15:12):
Let's go. Let's have a congratulated congratulations party for Brian.
He got new job, he's making twenty grand more. Drink
some surf sign but what's that. Let's drink some surf
sid that's right, that's right, just one hundred calories, no carbonation,
easy to drink. And here's the thing. A guy gets
ninety one million and you're mad at him. Why do

(01:15:34):
we care? I don't understand why. Why LSU thought that
he's going to be the answer. I mean, I don't
like Brian Kelly, but you went from a guy that
is just outwardly like has a kind of a punishable
face to a guy that outwardly has a punishable face. Okay,
cool colts are making some news by those that might
be trying to find their way to see if their

(01:15:54):
key card works in the building. We'll explain what I'm
talking about, and we'll do it next and hold her
in about eighteen What a jam? Eddie? Without looking? Can
you tell me the band Wall of Voodoo? I set
it out looking. I'm not looking. Can you name another

(01:16:14):
hit from walla Voodoo? Nope, I couldn't tell you. Do
you think Wall of Voodoo is still tours? I don't
think so. They're from California. I think Wall of Voodoo
that that song I don't even think was a hit
when it came out. It's just like one of those
songs that became more popular, like well after the fact.

(01:16:36):
Well they were only acting from seventy seven to eighty nine,
and what happened then? Somebody voodoo him? You have been
to Voodoo Donuts in Portland? Have you been to Portland? Eddie?

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
If you go to Seattle, next time you go to
Seattle and you get some of your gummies, go down
to Portland. You'll enjoy. Have somebody else drive the the
Voodoo Donuts. They've got a a special donut. It's a
it's a little man, it's a little dude. And except
for that, it's got a pretzel stick. Because it's like
a voodoo doll that's been stuck.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
They broke up because most of the people that were
in the band wanted to pursue their own solo careers.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Really yeah, okay, how'd that work out for them? I
don't know how many people were in Wall of Voodoo.
Two former members.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Died in the early two thousands, unfortunately, Joe Nanini suffered
a brain hemorrhage on December fourth of two thousand and
Mark Morland died of kidney and liver failure in March
of two thousand and two.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
And how old were they? I don't know, because I
think that that song is like eighty three, eighty one,
eighty three, something like that. Mexican Radio one two, three, four, five,
six seven eight total members. Really yeah, that's a big
wall the Eltz yesterday, Shane Steichen was fairly noncommittal when

(01:18:02):
it came to matter of fact. He kind of dodged
the bullet when asked about Michael Badgeley and the kicking
saga has been won for the Colts this year. Obviously
they had it taken care of. Really, this goes back
to Matt Gay because it is not often that a
team makes a big splash or has their big off

(01:18:23):
season splash in terms of free agency signings be a kicker,
But nonetheless, that's exactly what it was. They signed Matt
Gay and then obviously, and I think there was some
he was not healthy, but remember Chris Ballard having to
essentially sit and defend Matt Gay on the regular, like, look,

(01:18:43):
the guy's a good kicker. He's a good kicker, but
he was missing kicks, and notably, he was supposed to
be one that shortened the field for the Colts because
he could hit from fifty and beyond, and there just
were consistency issues. Then this year, Spencer Schrader, he gets
hurt in the Raider game, and now Michael Badgeley's there,
And if you can't hit regular, you know, extra points

(01:19:05):
on the regular, you got a problem in addition to
field goal inconsistency. And it sounded like Shane Steichen was
kind of wanting to have his back when I think
it was Kevin that asked him about it, and he
basically said, and I'm paraphrasing, look that's you know, that's
a Chris Ballard situation. I'll go, you know, I love Badge,

(01:19:27):
but I don't know where what the kicker situation is
going to be. But that's that's kind of up to Chris.
Is basically what he said. I believe. See if this
name is correct, Blake Groupie, Is that correct? From New
Orleans most recently New Orleans? Yeap. He likes to hang
around bands. That's the only thing I know about him.

(01:19:50):
But he is one of those that is trying out
today apparently, according to Joel A. Eericson of the Indianapolis Star,
he is going to be in the building today trying out. Now,
this is not unusual.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
He was with the Saints last season. He was eighteen
of twenty six, which is good for sixty nine percent
if those are interested in the percentages. He was three
of six of fifty plus. Now first career, he's fifteen
of twenty. Player favorite game, Eddie, Guess the college? Eighty
Yes of eighty eight. Guess the college is what we're
gonna play here?

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Okay? The answer? Okay, let me ask you this is
that a Power five school? Yes? Is it a school
that has won a national championship in football to your
understanding in their history? Yes? I think is it a
school that is in contention for the national championship this year?

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
They're on the fringe. Yes, definitely, this team has won
a national championship.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
They're on the fringe this year. They are on the fringe.
Are they in the playoff as of right now? I
would have to look at the bracket. I'll go with Miami.
That is not correct, Alabama not correct, Oklahoma not correct.
This is going well.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
I may you're wrong on the championship part of it.
I'm almost certain this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Yeah, they have. Yes, I'm an idiot. And what year
did they win the national championship? Well, they've won it
twenty five times? Notre Dame. Yes, I should I should
have known. How did I not know that? There are
people yelling at the radio? Dude? How do you not
remember that he played for Notre Dame. I don't know
why I was so hesitant on yes and no on
the whole championship thing they're in. They're eight seed right now,

(01:21:28):
nine I don't know because of the whole Uh, I
get it. But that's changed now, right it used to
last year the ruling was that Notre Dame simply could
not be a top four seed because that was the
agreement by them not joining a conference, So that now
is not applicable. Correct, They are the nine seeds of
last week. Yes, yeah, they're in nine. I mean they're

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in because they can't who below them could push their
way in. I have a double check on this. I
think they're in. I think Notre Dame is a top
five team in college football. I think if you were
to survey, okay, Texas, is Texas done? Though Texas is done?

(01:22:16):
They don't. They are not in the SEC cham so
and where is Texas right now? As of last week,
Texas was number fourteen? Yeah, so Texas can't improve themselves. Well,
they just won against Tech against uh who you're saying
that there's they just beat A and M. Right, yeah,
they just so you're saying they were fourteen before beating
A and M m hmm. Okay, So let's let's say

(01:22:38):
that that and I don't think it should, but let's
say that wedges Texas in. Who is below Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
Below Notre Dame, you have Bama, b Yu, Miami's out
of question, Utah, Vanderbilt. I think Vanderbilt is out of question.
Michigan's out of question as well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
No, between Notre Dame and Texas, who are the teams
between Notre I just like, yeah, all of those right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
This is I was looking at this week's called AP rankings,
not the CFP from last week. Texas was sixteen in
the CFP last year.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Yeah, Texas ain't getting in. And if you were to
survey A and M, or that matter, Alabama, oll Miss
Texas Tech, if you were to survey those teams and
ask outside of Ohio State or Indiana, who they least
would want to face, I think a lot of them

(01:23:28):
would say Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Fair.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
I mean, I think they're highly thought of Fair. Yeah,
they lost two games to start the year, but they
were both you know, they were on the road, and
they have and yes, their schedule is not the most daunting,
but they've been pretty solid. And I think he's a
really good coach. I wouldn't want to play him, would
not want to play him. Steven Holder ESPN dot com.

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We will find out what is the happening, what is
the latest in terms of the kicking competition, and a
couple of areas of major question of health for the colts.
We'll do it with Stephen next. You know, I don't
know if you know this, and not Eddie, but this
song adequately describes my the three favorite people on earth,

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so he myself and I am. I love me some
me man, no question about that. Joining us now in
the Java House, Peel and poor guest line from ESPN
dot com. Stephen Holder is our guest, Steven. Let's begin
with this kicker situation for the colts we were just discussing.
There apparently is one who is going to be in
the building at some point today. Do we have any

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idea how many might be in or where things stand? No,
but but keep in.

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
Mind they have likely been kind of keeping tabs on
the kicking market for the last couple of months, you know,
seeing how they lost their kicker. They did do a
workout with several kickers earlier this year, so they have
a pretty good feel for what's out there and at

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least some options of what's out there. So I think
they can probably move pretty quickly. I thought they might
have some I thought they might have a workout yesterday,
and I did not see any visits listed for the
folks on the NFL transactions, so that didn't happen. So
what I took from that was they probably have an

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idea of what they want to do, if that makes sense,
So we will see. But I fully expect some movement there,
or at least it seems likely at this point. Let's
put it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Now, let's get to a couple of items from a
health standpoint, Steven, and we'll start with Sauce Gardener. I
have not heard any specific today. Yesterday we talked to
Ralph Reef and he wasn't speaking of Sauce Gardner's case specifically,
but rather in generalities and simply saying that Gardner in

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the type of injury if it is what we thought
it was going to be a strained that that's probably
a three week deal. Where do things standard? Do we
have any more information?

Speaker 5 (01:26:07):
No, we don't, but I think we can kind of
ballpark it based on what we do know, which is
we have some sense about the injury. The exact severity,
the exact diagnosis in particular, we haven't gotten, but we can,
you know, just piece it together. The other thing that
we can, I think take some direction from is Shane

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Stikeen being very adamant that he does expect him to
play at some point before the end of the regular season.
There are five games left, so that that's not a
big window, and that they are not as of right now,
there are no plans to put them on injured reserve,
which is four games a minimum, So the three game window,

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you know, is a ballpark guess I would say the
other thing I can throw out there. I don't know
if their injuries are exactly the same, but Kenny Moore
earlier this year had what we thought was an achilles
tear initially, if you recall, he went down on the field,
also a non contact injury, and we feared the worst.

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It turned out it was a strain, and I don't
know if it was more of the same area as Gardner.
He said it's more in his cap rather than the achilles,
So I don't know. I didn't do the MRI, obviously,
but all I can tell you is that Kenny Moore
with something kind of sort of similar. He missed three

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weeks and then was back, So hopefully that is a
good guy post for us.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
We played earlier Steven Stephen Holders my guest Java House
Peel and poor guest line. He's from ESPN dot com,
Shaverius Ward Mooney. Ward, you know, obviously is a very
good player and has had the concussions, came back. He
had a big play against Kansas City. But I think
he's looked a little off, and I know that he

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had the personal tragic loss of his daughter, and I
believe that we just marked, you know, the I always
hate to use the word anniversary because I think of
anniversary is a celebration. But you get my point of that,
of that happening in his life. But we played an
audio clip from him where he was saying that he
just doesn't play as well when his head is cloudy

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and his body is cloudy. And I took that as
him talking about because he was so open and transparent
of coming off of the concussion and how close he
was to thinking he would never play again. Do we
have reason to believe that? And I don't know if
he was just somebody said, no, Jake, he was talking
about his daughter there. But I think he's been so

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open about the fact that coming off that concussion just
really set him back a little bit. Do we think
he's even close to one hundred percent?

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
So I think he's probably one hundred percent physically. I
think he was talking about his mindset. Of course, we're
all just interpreting, of course, right, But but you are
correct the one year, you know, mark for lack of
a better word of his daughter's passing. I believe it
was just a couple of weeks ago. He he had

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some really I think, really I would say, sort of
painful remarks that he or I guess posts that he
had on Instagram around that time that I think spoke
to his state of mind, and it was not great.
To be completely honest, it was really hard to read
some of the things that he posted, and none of

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us can even imagine unless we've been through that, right,
So I get it in terms of, like, I understand
why he'd why he would be so so real and
so raw and saying things like that publicly. So I
in light of all of that, I think he's just
talking about that. I think he's still processing what happened,

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and especially in light of the time of year. I
remember when he signed his contract, he even said that
going back to San Francisco was not an option for him,
and not because of anything the forty nine ers did,
not because they're not a good team or an organization.
He said, there's just too much history there. I can't
go back, And his daughter's mom was like his girlfriend,

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it's like, I can't be back there. She left, in fact,
and went back home to Texas if I'm not mistaken
after the little girl passed away. So I just think
this is a young man who's just been through a lot,
and I hope that he's getting the help that he needs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
I stay away from the topics from him because he
has been clear that it's hard to talk about, so
I try not to go there. But I do hope
that's that he's getting the help he needs, because, you know,
having seen it happen in my own family, I don't
want to get like super off the topic here, but
like having seen family members go through that, you never heal.
There's no healing. It's just like you just deal with it.

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You know, there's no I'll be better. I'm gonna get
over it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
You don't. You just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
You just get a.

Speaker 5 (01:31:11):
Little bit better and you cope.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
So I just hope he's doing okay from a health standpoint.
Daniel Jones is the other player that obviously we now know,
and I thought his mobility looked very compromised. Steven, has
there been any indication of I guess a two part question.
Can this from now to the end of the year

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and any way get better? Is the first question, and
the second is would the Colts explore the possibility of
getting him rest.

Speaker 5 (01:31:47):
So the first question in terms of it getting better,
all I can tell you is what they believe, the Colts,
and that answer is yes, they believe there will be improvements.
And for whatever it's worth, Daniel Jones himself said that
in the Texans game he felt better than he did.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
In the Chiefs game. I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
I do agree he was compromised some And I have
said this a few times and people got to have
and said, oh, I think he did a good job
and he's he's fighting it out and toughing it out. Yes,
that's true, but we can also admit that like he's
not one hundred percent. They can't call all of the
plays available to them in the playbooks because some of

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them require him to use his legs and they're not
going to do that right now. So they are compromised.
There's no question about that, and they're not going to
admit it. They're not going to talk about it, but
they are. It is a fact, and you can do
with that whatever you want. But that is true and
there's nothing to argue about. As for your second question,
will they consider sending him down. No, not unless something

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drastically changes. There is absolutely zero, zero intent to play
Riley Leonard and and if they did, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
You would see.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
You would see a very very very basic approach to
the game plan, and it would not be it would
not be one that would put you in position to win.
They're they're not they're not ready for him to play.
They don't think he's ready to play. Let's put it
that way.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Should they be going to a more basic offensive game
plan anyway of more featuring Jonathan Taylor, Well, I hear you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
I think I think there's a there's some merit to that,
but there's a difference. Though there's a difference. I think
there's there's gonna be times when we talked about the
complexity of their offense and and all the things that
they want to do to attack defenses, which is what
led to Daniel Jones becoming the starter. So given all

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of the I don't think you're going to be able
to have Riley Leonard come in there, who doesn't have
frankly doesn't have the physical skill set that either of
the other two quarterbacks have. Anthony Richardson being the other,
he's not available but I'm just throwing him in there.
Riley Leonard's physical skill set is it's far below I

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believe either Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson. So even though yes,
I hear your question, should they simplify the offense? Yes,
and no, you it's still the NFL, and you've got
to come out there with a full menu because defenses
are too good because if they if you are too predictable,
you're dead. You're dead, sober, You're gonna lose. You've got

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to have a menu that challenges defense and keeps them
on their toes and make unpredictable.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
So that's just kind of where they are, uh, Steven,
what we talked about this last week, and then you know,
even yesterday and I didn't know this st even deaf Con.
You know, you always hear people say like we're def
Con four, def Con three, whatever. So apparently the lower
the number, the more the the pucker factor. Okay, so

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def Con one means that like there's a huge mushroom cloud,
and then deaf Con four means like, you know, we're
we're okay here, right, So the culture at what level
of death con?

Speaker 5 (01:35:21):
Well, Uh, I think the answer would be different. We
were talking about the state of the world, but that's
not the question.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
We're speaking. We're speaking in terms of the cold season itself. Yeah, yeah,
everything's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
Uh, I'd stay it's I think def Con three. I
ask me again on Monday. I might have a different answer,
but I think they have an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
I think it was.

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
It might have been Mooney Ward who said this. I
think he's right about this. He said, everything we want
to achieve is still in front of us.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
He is right about that.

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
Like they're not going to be the number one seed
in the AFC. I don't anticipate. Excuse me, but but
he's not wrong. I mean, they can still control their
own destiny. They can still handle their business. The problem
is they have some challenges that are going to be
difficult to deal with, as as we already outline, and
most of them has to do with injury, and and

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that's just is what it is. But I do think
if they win this game, puts you at what nine
and four, it takes a little bit of the pressure
off and lets you reset a little bit, and and
then you you've just got to finish decent. They don't
have to win out or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
But they got to win. They got to win some.

Speaker 5 (01:36:43):
They got to win two or three of these to
really be in position to win this division. So I
think I think it's Stepcon three, unless and until they
lose this game, or if they win this game, maybe
it goes.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Down a little.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
It's the curious thing here, I think partially Steven and
I'm guilty of this, because the Colts got out to
the blazing start at seven and one, you know, and
just every literally every button they pushed was unlocking every door.
It was just fabulous. You kind of didn't pay a
lot of attention to what Houston and Jacksonville were doing.

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Houston clearly, you know, we just saw it. I mean,
we know what Houston is and defensively their outstanding. But
Jacksonville has won because the Colts have yet to see them,
and they got to go down there this weekend. That
I've not paid as much attention to other than I
keep waiting for Trevor Lawrence to show me why he's
Trevor Lawrence that said, what challenges does Jacksonville present and

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what is Jacksonville doing that has now put themselves in
this stick along with Indianapolis.

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
Well, I mean, for one, I would say their schedule
was not favorable early on, which is kind of the
opposite of what, uh what the Colts had going on, right,
So so sometimes, you know, it is difficult to know
what you're looking at, you know, when you're when you're
assessing teams early in the season, it's not always that easy.

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And and I've always stressed this, like, don't make staff
decisions after a few weeks, you know, because you just
don't know what you're dealing with. So that's that's one thing.
And I'd also say, like their defense is definitely gonna
get a challenge. That that's real. I think that they
they have a quarterback who is capable. I don't I

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don't think that Trevor Lawrence came up at night. But
he's also like a guy that if you if you
make mistakes on defense, like he'll beat you. You know,
he'll make the plays to beat you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
That's just what it is, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
I just think they're they're also from everything I can tell,
and I'm I'm like you, like I have I paid
a lot of attention to the Jaguars. No, I mean,
because there didn't seem to be a reason to do that,
but they do seem to have more depth than they
have had. They do seem to be well coached this year.
I got to give Liam Cohen credit. I didn't know

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what to expect from him. That that's underwhelming duval that
he gave in his press conference. He gave me bad vibes.
I was like, I don't know if I can take
this guy seriously, but you know, look, Nick Sirianni also
had an awful opening he did.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Sirianni was like, they were ready to run him out
of town, right listen.

Speaker 5 (01:39:35):
I got calls from colleagues around the NFL after that
press conference like who.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Is this crown? I was like, look, I know I
watched it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:43):
It was bad, but hear me out, hear me out,
and I actually I didn't know if it would work.
But I really liked Nick and I really thought that
that he had some kind of some kind of magic
to him. But anyhow, he's he's got a Super Bowl.
So despite where they are now, you know that that
tells you something. But anyhow, back to the Jags and
Liam Cohen, Yeah, I think they're an interesting team because like,

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what's the one thing you think about when you think
about that team about going to play the Jaguars. The
answer is nothing really.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Yeah, historically I always think that they and I'm going
way back right it just branding. Historically, Steve and I
always think of Jacksonville as being very defensively sound up front.

Speaker 8 (01:40:22):
Now that's not to say they are. Now, that's just
what I you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, but
that's about it. I mean, you know, they're they're just
kind of they're just kind of, you know, solid, That's
that's what i'd say. And solid though, can get you
to eight and four, which is where they are. But
I don't think you fare the Jaguars in any respect,

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which is kind of why it's impressive that they are
where they are.

Speaker 5 (01:40:48):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have a lot for you.
There's really not a lot there. Frankly. They're just they're
just kind of plucky and solid and you better show up.
That's all I can to tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
The when when you look at the schedule remaining, Stephen
Holders my guest ESPN dot com is where you can
read his work, and of course he's on the Joba
House Peel and Poor Guest line. The schedule is there
is really no break here, Steven, you know, I mean,
you're not that there ever is in the NFL. But
if you look at it, you go to Jacksonville, then
you come back and you got to go to Seattle,

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which you kind of wait for Seattle to come back
down to Earth. I don't think it's going to happen now, right,
and then the Niners Jacksonville again, and then you got
to finish in Houston. So there's just it seemingly when
we go back to Daniel Jones, I'm kind of fixed
on that if there's an area where they need to
just kind of take a game where they slow things

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down a little bit for him, I just don't know
where it's going to be. I mean, they they this
seems very backloaded to me, but talk me off that ledge.

Speaker 5 (01:41:50):
No, I mean I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
It is what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
I mean, you see the schedule. I see the schedule,
and I do think I will say early on, I
think we all knew that they were playing somewhat of
a light schedule, and I don't think we ever denied that.
But I also felt like, all right, they are so
good offensively that I kind of don't care who they play,

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you know, like it didn't matter to me. The games
would get harder, clearly, and that that was a given.
But I still like them in terms of favoring them
because I think when you're beating bad teams by thirty
literally thirty points, you're better than just about every team
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
So this is the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:42:38):
It's not college, you know what I mean, No one
should be beating anybody by thirty points. So I thought, look,
this is a really good team. But I do think
I don't. I think it's a combination of things. It
is the injuries, it is the way defenses are attacking
them right now. They're really they're blitzing heavy, They're they're

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really attacking the run. It's it's not just Sainstyke and
being stubborn about running the football defenses. No, you got
a compromise quarterback and you got the best running back
in the NFL. Huh, So you know it's not that hard,
but they they have to overcome it. Man, if you're good,
you'll overcome it. And and they've got to figure that out.
But it ain't going to get easier. Losing Sauce hurts.

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You saw what happened immediately on Sunday, Sauce goes down.
They had a plan and yeah, Sauce, you're on the
you're on the left side. Excuse me, you're on the
right side. Mooney, you're on the left. And you guys
just stay there. So wherever Nico Collins is, you get
a little bit of a break when maybe you get
the number three or four receiver on your side. Right well,

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Sauce goes down. They said, Mooney, you got the big guy,
go get him. And then he's on them all day long.
What's long day?

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
So you know, if it doesn't get easier, and the
and the taxing nature of that, it's just really tough
to deal.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
With, Stephen. What is it going to take or what
is it about? You know mckhaigh Blackman that lou Any
Rumo loves because I watch him play and I'm like,
the guy's either getting beat or they ran to his side.
On the Nico Collins touchdown, Ryan and he looked like
a kid in like Walmart or something when they lose
track of their parents. Their arms are out to the

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side and completely befuddled on where they're supposed to be.
And he's the guy that's in the backfield right there
with a chance to either stop or slow down Woody Marks,
and he looked like he wanted to know business of
doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:44:28):
So when the Colts did for him, because remember that
was a trade in the I think right before the
start of the regular season, the Colts made that trade
with the Vikings and brought him here. I asked a
I asked a reporter in Minnesota for a scotting report.
The scotting report was as follows, He's not very good.

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That was it, and that has proven to be true.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
It's proven to be true.

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
I hate to say it, and I'm beating up on
the guy, but I agree, I wholeheartedly agree. I do
not know why he's playing over Jalen Jones, and I
vehemently disagree. Now Bluanna Roumo doesn't give a damn, But
I'm just telling you, if he asked, that's what I'd
tell him. I don't know, and I just think Jalen Jones.

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I'm not saying that he's DEONN. Sanners in his prime,
but I mean, just look at the physical differences, right.
One guy that's undersized, really undersized in Blackman. The other
guy looks like he was made in a lab where
they make defensive backs, so and the other guy has
also started an entire season and a half since he

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was drafted. I can't say that for Makai Blackman, I
can say either one of those things. So it's very
bigh to me. I'll tell you this is a a
thing you tend to see with Anna Rumo, though this
happened in Cincinnati as well, which is, he has some
very strong preferences when it comes to personnel, and it

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might just come down to, like, I trust this guy
to execute three or four coverages that I like a lot,
so I'm gonna play him, whereas the other guy's a
better player. But maybe he has He's basing his decision
on one little aspect of the situation and the rest
of us might see it a lot differently. But that's

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that's what he has done in his history.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Steven, I realize what the standings are, okay, but I
want you to tell me in your thought, in your
gut when you analyze top to bottom. And I know
that this is fluid over the course of a year,
but right now, to start December, tell me the four
best teams in the AFC.

Speaker 5 (01:46:47):
H all right, I put New England in there. I
don't think they're as good as eleven and two. Okay,
I think their the records are will inflated, but you know,
look it is what it is, right eleven and two? Uh, Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Broncos.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
I think because I I just think that much of
Sean Payton. I mean a ten too anyway, But I'm
just saying, like I think Sean Payton is is the
real deal.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:47:16):
Beyond that, it gets murky. I would say, hmm, it
really is tough. I mean, I think I want to
put the Colts in there, but I don't. It just
doesn't feel like the trajectory there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Let me give you a couple of teams, and I
want you to tell me if you think the Colts
are better, same as or below? Right now? You ready?

Speaker 5 (01:47:38):
Okay? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
The Chargers and I don't know they beat them, I
get it, right, Chargers.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
Above such an underwhelming team.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
They're the same, okay, ravens.

Speaker 5 (01:47:55):
Uh, I would say, uh, same because they have they
both have lost.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
And then lastly, the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
Hmm, I like the Bills better. I just the quarterback
is just the quarterbacks frankly, I mean comparable running game
and and much superior quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
I just feel like the AFC and that's why it's
wide open. It's wide open. Yeah, I mean there's just
this and that that's.

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
They have that going for them. So so that is
that's the beauty of this, right, Like you want to
play at home, so you want to win the division.
But at the same time, you know, like if they
let's say, you know, Baltimore wins the AFC North or something,
and you got to go play Baltimore on the road
in the as a wildcard. This is a totally hypothetical situation, right,

(01:48:51):
but like, say you got to go play Baltimore on
the road as a wildcard. I mean, okay, all right,
bring it on, you know what I mean. I mean,
that's not the scenario that you want. All I'm saying is,
I think you make a great point. You know, New
England's probably getting that by unless the Broncos pulled out,

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so you're going to avoid them for a little bit.
That first round is going to be a very winnable
game no matter who it is.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
I feel like now, at the beginning of the year, Eddie,
we both had to pick the team that we thought
was going to be surprisingly good. You said New England.
They're eleven and two. I said, the Raiders. It looks
like you won that one, right, ye.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
I don't know. I last missed between Pete Carroll. I
just I felt like the Raiders, you know, rock Bauers,
and I don't know, I thought the Raiders would be decent.
That's a train wreck, right it is.

Speaker 5 (01:49:41):
Well, look, they missed on two things. They missed on
the quarterback on Gino, which no one necessarily predicted. But
they missed on the quarterback, and they missed on the
offensive coordinator Trip Kelly. The stories that came out after
he got fired were hilarious that like he was calling
stuff that wasn't even on the place.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
She yeah, it's like Bob, he is right, yeah, Gino.

Speaker 5 (01:50:02):
Smith's looking looking at the sideline like, what the hell
are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
This?

Speaker 5 (01:50:06):
Incredible?

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
How did that's the coordinator of the offense, not the offense?
I don't know, I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:50:15):
He's like, we didn't even talk about that play this week.
Why are you calling that?

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:50:20):
That's incredible, incredible story. So you know, that's that's what
happens after people get fired. You you finally learned the
truth you know, maybe there's some exaggeration, but I choose
to believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
What's the latest that you're working on at ESPN dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
So how did we get here? What happened to the Colts?
I think there's I highlighted five different things that I
think have have contributed to where they are and and
one I'll give you one real quick. We're probably coming
up on a break, but one of them is if
you go back early in the season, on first downs,

(01:50:57):
the Colts were absolutely murdering people seven point two yards
per play on first down, which is the second highest
in the last fifteen years. Okay, that has fallen dramatically,
and that's how you end up in third and long
all day long, and you go three for ten on
third down.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
I was gonna say the third down efficiency on Sunday
was terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
Awful, awful. So the only team, by the way I'm
talking about through eight weeks, the only team in the
last fifteen years to have a better first down performance
is the twenty sixteen Falcons.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Think about that, the twenty sixteen Falcons.

Speaker 5 (01:51:37):
Yep, that's the Super Bowl team. Yep. That was twenty
eight to.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Three, twenty eight to three, Baby twenty eight to three,
back when Matt Ryan was Matt Ryan, before he was
Colts Matt Ryan and now, and that's what I hate
to say this man. I thought Daniel Jones looked like
Matt Ryan Colts Mobility on Sunday. But that's the leg
I get it right, And we got to say fair enough,
overcome that. Steven appreciate the time as always. All Right,

(01:52:03):
you got it a' Steven Holder joining us at ESPN
dot com. Did you say we got tickets to give
away Eddie more Lee Crue tickets Mottley Crue, Yes, yes, yes,
the Crue. Baby. What's your favorite Motley Crue song? I'll
come back with it. How about that? All right? Sounds good?
And we'll give the tickets away for Motley Crue. That's
an August concert if I'm not mistaken, right, coming up
in the summer. Yes, I will give away the tickets next. Okay,

(01:52:25):
so tickets to give away for Motley Crue. You know,
I don't. I gotta think I take that back. I
saw Motley Crue at Gamebridge, I don't know, maybe seven
or eight years ago, and it was like NonStop energy.
Now they handed the camera to the crowd and let
the crowd pin around and put themselves up on the

(01:52:47):
video board and that got interesting. Oh boy, I think
that definitely got interesting. Was there a some nudity, Uh, yes,
but it was. It was a fun show. It was
an awesome show. And the tickets that we have to
give away. Eddie always determines when you know, when he's

(01:53:09):
playing Santa Claus basically and is giving these things away.
We always allow Eddie to determine the fashion in which
we will do it. What I always appreciate is because
you assume when you do what we do for a living.
I always assume that like no one's listening. Literally, you
hear me say that all the time. I have I'm
self conscious about it. Okay, And the other day I

(01:53:32):
was out and a guy comes up and said, you know,
said hello, which I always appreciate. And then I always
ask people, you know, just out of curiosity, like how
do they appreciate that you appreciate the hello, just the hello?
Well this, no, I appreciate that someone says like, hey,
I listened to the show, you know, And I said,
because I'm always kind of incredulous about it, And I said, well,

(01:53:53):
how do you know what I look like, because it's radio,
it's not television. And this guy actually said, as soon
as you talk, because we were in a store and
I was asking for something, and he said, I heard
you talking, and I knew that it was your voice,
very flattering and very appreciative, and I told him the
same thing. I just assumed that nobody's ever listening. So
then when we give tickets away as we're doing for
Motley Crue August twenty eighth at Ruoff, August the twenty

(01:54:17):
eighth at Ruoff is the date for these tickets, Tesla
and Extreme will also be there. Now, Extreme car, that's right,
the Tesla, not the car, but the band. Okay, okay, signs.
Tesla will be there and then Extreme. Now I think

(01:54:38):
Extreme didn't Extreme do more than words? Am I off
on that? I always get Extreme? And then there was
another one. Somebody helped me out here. Look up more
than words, Eddie, and see who did that? That song
more than words.

Speaker 7 (01:54:56):
Is on?

Speaker 1 (01:54:57):
I ever, Neine. I was sure as heck, wasn't you? Yes,
it was Extreme, Okay, that's what I thought. That song
when it came out the Spring Breakup my senior year
of high school, was massive, massive song in what fashion
are we giving away? Said tickets? Any? We have two
parody to give away? Jake? So too? Yeah too? Wah,
thanks Jakes. You owed me a coke? Okay, and we're

(01:55:18):
doing that in what fashion? You want to do some
get to know your listeners? Oh that's always fun. Who
do we have lined up? We will go with Jeff. Hi, Jeff,
how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 9 (01:55:26):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Jake?

Speaker 1 (01:55:27):
You know I'm tired today, Jeff? But energy grade?

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
Jeff? Have you called the program before? I have a
long time ago?

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
And but you're still listening now? Is your radio broken?
Is that the problem?

Speaker 8 (01:55:40):
Na?

Speaker 5 (01:55:41):
We were on a two hour delay today.

Speaker 9 (01:55:42):
I'm a teacher and so I was able to get
a little prep period here in sketching the show.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
Okay, So, Jeff, if you don't mind me asking, you
said you're a teacher. We commended that profession. You would
be teaching what grade right now?

Speaker 9 (01:55:55):
I'm teaching kindergarten through fifth physical education?

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
Nice? Okay? And this do you mind? Are you allowed
to say the school?

Speaker 5 (01:56:02):
I'm on prep?

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
So yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 9 (01:56:04):
It's not like I'm in class. Yeah, I'm at school
fifty seven on the east Side in IRVINGTONCE.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
Okay, outstanding, And then now do you still let me
ask you this from the physical education standpoint? One of
my favorite things to do, and apparently this is other
people have mentioned this as well. Do you have a
parachute the kids play with?

Speaker 9 (01:56:23):
Usually on field day?

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
We do.

Speaker 5 (01:56:25):
On field day we get the parachute out.

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
Just out of curiosity because I loved the parachute and
mister Belkie at als Mill Elementary School was fabulous and
coming up with games for it. But who was the
first person that decided the parachute would be a good idea?
And what sort of physical education do we get out
of that?

Speaker 9 (01:56:41):
I guess you're getting an arm exercise out of it,
and you know, in balance trying to keep the bullet
that you have on there. But I know that they
don't make them like they used to. I mean, you
can't find one at the school I'm at. We have
one that's probably been here since the sixties, but they
don't make them as that quality anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
Really, so don't go Parachuting's what you're saying. Right, Do
we see an increase in parachute accidents?

Speaker 5 (01:57:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:57:05):
That's the parachuting's not for me.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
Have you ever been skydiving? No, Eddie, have you been skydiving?

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
I've been twice, that's my and that's more one more
time than I needed to. But at least, I, you know,
successfully did it twice. Okay, Jeff. Do you like Motley Crue?

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
I do.

Speaker 9 (01:57:20):
I was supposed to see them in Buffalo when COVID
hit and the tour was canceled.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Were you living in Buffalo or did you decide to
go speeding a weekend in Buffalo?

Speaker 9 (01:57:28):
I was going to go spend a weekend in Buffalo
go to Niagara Falls as a trip never came through.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
Have you been? Have you done it since?

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
Niagara Falls is fabulous. Let me tell you something and
I you know what. I'd go to Niagara Falls as
a kid and my buddy Byron and I on the
road trip we do each year. This most recent installment,
we went to Buffalo. We went to Niagara Falls, and
I thought to myself that it was going to be
like this cheesy tourist deal. And because I went as
a kid, you know so, I thought, ah, that's probably
just seems big on my mind because I was a kid,
it's unbelievable. It really is unbelievable. You really should go.

(01:57:58):
So I can't get you to Niagara Falls, but I
can get you to go see the crew, so we
will hook you up with the tickets. Jeff, I appreciate
it and appreciate the work you're doing with the kids. Eddie.
Who's the other one we have lined up? We have
Austin and we have Jake. Well, I think we know
which way I'd go with that, Austin. It is just kidding, Jake, Jake,
what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
Hey, Jake? How are you? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
I'm well. How old a fella are you? Jake? Oh?
We're the same age, then, Jake? Have we talked before?
Have you called the show before?

Speaker 5 (01:58:30):
Never talked to you on the phone before, But I
have met you at a colts meet and greet years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
Was I nice guy? Or was I jerk?

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:58:40):
You're pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
I think you hit on my girlfriend, but you other
than that, you're pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
No, hold on, and what way did I hit on
your girlfriend? I'm just kidding.

Speaker 5 (01:58:49):
She's sitting right here, so I'm just I'm making her line.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
Now, put her on the phone what it was, and
put her on the phone. Lord, Hi, Jake, Hell, and
your name is missus Jake. What's your name? I'm Jenny.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
I'm his wife now.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
But yeah, Judy, you said Jenny Jenny. Okay, So Jenny,
just out of curiosity, is this fact or fiction that
that I was overly friendly towards you when I met Jake?

Speaker 5 (01:59:14):
I need I don't know what can we go in between?

Speaker 1 (01:59:18):
I told you I'm a folksy guy. I'm a nice guy.
I'm a very listen Okay, So Jake, let me ask
you this. You listen how often you listen to the program? Jake?

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:59:27):
Pretty much every day.

Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
I'm in sales. Okay. My girlfriend's name is go can
you name it?

Speaker 5 (01:59:34):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
You're not helping me out here, because see I'm hoping
if she's listening, which she doesn't know that I do
a radio show. But if she is, she's got a
basier crush on JV. Yeah, She's saying to herself, She's like,
wait a minute, you were you were talking to Jenny,
and now you never mentioned me on the air. That
would be Shannon, by the way, Jake, Shannon, Jake, just
out of curiosity, Jake, and I was going to ask
you if you thought the name you know, helped out

(02:00:01):
with the ladies. But we won't go there, so let
me ask you this question, Jake, when you were a kid,
since we are of the same age range, which more
often did people do and say to you? Did they
call you flaky Jake? Or did they tell you to
go bake a cake? Which one did you hear more
often in childhood?

Speaker 5 (02:00:16):
I heard neither one of those?

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
Mine was mine? Was Jake the snake or the snake Roberts? Yes,
I did hear that, although clearly I grew up with
more creative kids than yourself. But yes, Jake the snake
for sure. And don't step on a rake was also
a common one. I'm talking like when I was four
or five years old? Right, all right, So do you
like Motley Crue? Jake?

Speaker 5 (02:00:39):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
You know, apparently this will shock you. My favorite song
from Motley Crue is Girls, Girls, Girls, Right. I mean
I know that that'll stun you here apparently right, and
Jenny seems stunned as well. We will get you guys
on your way to roo off to go see Motley Crue.
I appreciate you listening to the show. Got me in
trouble there though, Eddie, come on, I didn't do anything.
I get to call get to know your listener, turned

(02:01:01):
in to get to know your host right in just
a little bit, I'm telling you right now. And Jake
was standing right there apparently when this indiscretion took place.
We'll come back, we'll find out what jmv's got lined
up for the big program. We'll do it as part
of the Crossover, brought to you by the good Guys
and Love Heating Their Love Dash HVAC dot com. Three
one seven three five three twenty one forty one is
the telephone number. Thanks to Steven Holder Scott Agnes for

(02:01:26):
joining us on the program today. Dave Rebsen as well.
Indiana and Ohio State Big Ten Title game coming up
on Saturday evening Lucas Oil Stadium, Indiana and Louisville in
basketball Saturday after noon Gamebridge Field House. JMV has arrived
getting set for his program. Who's your favorite all time
Louisville Cardinal player. That's a really good question. You know,

(02:01:48):
I really liked Louisville as a kid because Denny Crumb
and my dad kind of looked alike. I would say
Rodney McCrae. Maybe I'm disappointed though Hervis Ellison.

Speaker 7 (02:01:57):
No, I'm disappointed because you didn't say Jeff Hall and
his grape smuggling house.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
Jeff Hall would be very high at my man, there
was no room to maneuver and his drawers. You know what,
back in nineteen eighty six, Jeff Hall no room. He
did have some John Stockton's going on is what's funny.

Speaker 7 (02:02:19):
One of the better teams of the nineteen eighties was
that eighty three team that lost to the semi finals
to Houston and Albuquerque. That was one of the better teams,
not just Louisville teams, but college basketball.

Speaker 1 (02:02:29):
Do you remember what happened in that game? Well didn't.
It was a famous or infamous moment that took place
with a coach in that game. Oh yeah, guy Lewis
threw his towel. Correct, Scooter McCrae, I think right, yeah, yeah,
he threw his towel out there and they called it tactical.
That did that did not go well? That was such

(02:02:50):
a good I was just talking about that Final four
last night, the eighty three Final four, which featured North
Carolina State, Houston, Louisville, and Georgia. Georgia is the fourteen,
that is correct, And that was the year I think
Dominic Wilkins left the year before, right he did. Yeah, yeah, man,
that was are such fun times.

Speaker 7 (02:03:08):
That was an incredible time. Many can you imagine they
played it? And I know that's a great place to play,
everybody loves it, but let's be on, it's a crap
hole by final four standards.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
Can you imagine them playing in that? So I went
to the pit I don't know, probably seven years ago
and went out and like reenacted the the Derek Wittenberg
shot and you know the whole deal, right, But yeah,
I mean it's a seventeen thousand seed arena. Do you
remember in the in the mid nineties the NCAA tried

(02:03:37):
to go back to that, to the final four of
like playing in the smaller arenas. They went to Charlotte
in ninety four, I think, And I mean and then
it's like, well, look, if you can get seventy thousand,
you can get you can play it in those big venues, right.
But I just loved Do you remember when when ESPN
used to do like the thirty minute like vignettes afterwards,
like recapturing the final four, and I love those that

(02:03:58):
used to be in the afternoonist of these yip yappers.
That's that's exactly right.

Speaker 7 (02:04:02):
I would rather watch log rolling than Steven A. Smith
and these master debaters took.

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
It up in the early days of ESPN. What were
your so we were just having this discussion the other
day with somebody. To my answer, I was always going
to be watching Kana Tom do anything myself pleasure vation. Okay,
I'm gonna tell you what. Kana Tom floated my boat, buddy.

(02:04:30):
What about what about the roller derby the l A
Thunderbirds and one of the gals on that that was
also on ESPN back in the day.

Speaker 7 (02:04:37):
I can't imagine how am I not in better shape
back then? Because all I did was watching Denise Austin
and Kana Tom. I should have been doing the aerobics
along with him.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
But watching Australian rules football. How much of that did
you watch? There was a point in time when Kanana
Tom was the hottest chick on earth, undoubtedly, right, I
mean I me.

Speaker 7 (02:04:58):
She was in Playboy too, and I have that Playboy somewhere.
I'm not getting rid of it. It may actually be
back there. I may be packing that up a little
bit later on.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
Yeah, when we move right, Yeah, so we're gonna move.
I got boxes in, only a couple of boxes.

Speaker 7 (02:05:14):
Are We're going to have like a memorial walk out
escalator parade like one time that I've worked here.

Speaker 1 (02:05:20):
The escalator may work. Maybe a little escalator parade. We
can all get stuck in the elevator together. That happened
to me, great, wouldn't it happened to me the other day?

Speaker 7 (02:05:28):
Yeah, and then maybe you know, we'll play the horns
that happens when you flush the toilets.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
Here for those who don't know. We're moving buildings from
Wethers building just falling apart too, by the way. So
it's a good fag, it really is. So now I
should should we not divulge the parking dilemma that's going on? Well,
here's what I'm keeping my card and see if it's
going to be useful. I know later.

Speaker 7 (02:05:48):
I know, like I have like three cards, so I'm
gonna give them like two that don't work and then
keep my one at work so see if I can
still get in here.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
The parking situation is awesome. Thought bad that I'm telling
everybody that right now, I don't know that I would.
A good magician never reveals his tread. So what is
on the show today, John.

Speaker 7 (02:06:06):
Danny Canell is going to talk like you've been talking
about IU Ohio State. The rest of the championship games.
We'll talk about Fernando Mendoza. Danny Canell joins us. I
know Greg Rakesrow with the high school football state title games.
That was an outstanding Friday and Saturday. And JJ with
a not so outstanding Pacer game last night, but it

(02:06:27):
was better than Myles Turner and Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
Let me tell you that it was.

Speaker 7 (02:06:30):
Hey, jannest is so gone. You should I watched him
last night. He is so checked out. And maybe it's
because it's this time of the season. He is so
checked out from what is going on. That is not
a door for sure. And like I said, Miles is
going to be left with Karl Anthony Towns and Miles
McBride and Ryan Rollins and Jericho Simms.

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
That should be great. All right, don's up next. We'll
be back with you. I appreciate you listening to Query
and Company. Back at noon tomorrow

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