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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, I get fascinated sometimes by these things where
I look back. Let me give you an example. A
lot of times, like late at night, I will watch
TV Land or one of the you know, I know
janebe and I talk about this all the time, one
of the older cable channels that show. When I say older,

(00:22):
I mean that show old reruns of shows, and I'm
you know some of them. I'll watch stuff from even
before my time, you know, Barney Miller. I mean I
was alive when it was on, but I you know,
certainly at that time I wasn't you know, actively watching
TV as a little kid at that time, or you know,

(00:43):
even back before that. I mean obviously Andy Griffith goes
without saying. But if they are older shows that took
place during the time that I was alive, sometimes when
I'm watching it, I will become fascinated by trying to
figure out what it was that I was actually doing
the night that that show was airing, you know, like,
what was I doing on this night in nineteen eighty

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one or whatever. And last night during Monday night football,
I began thinking about that because as I was watching
the Monday night football game, I flashed back to when
I was younger, and you know, back in the day,
back but back in the day when Monday Night Football

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was literally you had Sunday games and mondaynight football, and
we all have the like, for example, Eddie Garrison. When
you think about the very first years that you really
were aware of Monday night football and you were excited
to be able to stay up for the first half
let's say, or whatever it might be of Monday night football,

(01:45):
who was the broadcast team that you like first think
about in those years. I'm going to guess for you
it would have been the peak or prime Peyton Manning
years of the Colts, right, yes, yes, so have been
what like Al Michaels and who I don't know if
it was Al.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Michaels or not. The one that immediately comes to mind
that I remember is Ron Jawarski and Mike Tariko.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay, So when I think about the very early years
of watching Monday night football, I think a lot about,
you know, Earl Campbell and the Houston Oilers and that
epic matchup against the Miami Dolphins. The broadcast team was

(02:35):
Frank Gifford and Don Meredith and Howard Cosel. I mean
that's the really like faint memories. And you know, the
Washington Redskins were on a lot on Monday Net Football,
the Raiders were on a lot on Monday Night Football.
And obviously goes out saying the Cowboys and the Steelers
because they were kind of America's team then. But I

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think about things that happened on those days as I'm
watching it. The reason I bring this all up as
it relates to your twenty twenty five Indianapolis Colts Greg Polly,
friend of the show, Greg Polly, friend of many good dude,
landscape or extraordinaire security guard, extraordinary at Colts games, et cetera.

(03:19):
You know Greg Polly, right, Eddie, have you met Greg Polly?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Do you know Greg Polly? Great guy, mister three hundred.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
So that's right, he's bold. Three hundred games of three
hundred and bowling, right.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I think he's bold. Like nine perfect games, I think
is what he said.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's pretty impressive. That is impressive. I'd like to direct
one pointed this out, which is fascinating. I don't know
about fascinating, but I found it interesting. I vividly recall,
as I'm sure many in this market do, the nineteen
ninety seven Indianapolis five hundred miles race. Now in nineteen
ninety seven in the Indy five hundred, to jog your

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memory back, that was a year where it looked a
lot like today, looked a lot like today outside as
everybody moved into the nineteen ninety seven eighty five hundred
to the speedway to watch the race, and lo and
behold they got laps in and then boomed the rain came.
So Monday we all sloshed our way back through through

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the puddles, through the mud, got back in our seats.
More rain. So the nineteen ninety seven five hundred on Tuesday,
they basically said, you know what, come one, come on,
we're just going to open the gates up. And it's
a Tuesday, and a lot of you probably have to work,
and it's today after Memorial Day, so if you are

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able to be here, then come to the race. So
I sat up in the stands and watched as they
threw the white, yellow, and like green flag simultaneously with
one lap to go, and Ri Lionet got on the
radio and ABC picked it up live and he said,
what in the and then he dropped an F bomb
and then he corrected himself and actually he dropped the

(05:02):
F bomb first. You know, what are they doing? Basically,
and he held up Scott Goodyear to win the eighty
five hundred on that same day. So as I'm watching
old clips of that, and I wonder, like I wonder
what else was going on in the world that day
on that same day, which does not seem long ago
to me at all. It doesn't. And if a lot

(05:23):
of people listening probably are like, oh, yeah, the ninety
seven my voter Liondyke second win, I remember that.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Well.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
On that same day in Charlotte, North Carolina, there was
a guy being born. There was a guy that was
entering the world. There was a guy that in Charlotte,
North Carolina was introduced to the world, and he thought
to himself, this is my birth. And somewhere right now,

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maybe even in my hospital room, on television, they have
a big race taking place in Indianapolis on this the
day of my birth in nineteen ninety seven. And what
I know is this, as I'm being born right here
in Charlotte, North Carolina, on this the twenty seventh day
of May and nineteen ninety seven, and on the screen

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there's some big of it in Indianapolis. What I know
is that's the city where my rebirth will take place.
And Daniel Jones is reborn here in Indianapolis, Indiana. And
his career as you saw last night when he was
on the Manning Cast with Eli and Peyton Manning and
joking about, you know, the the fact that and of

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course he had you know, there are ties to the
Mannings because of his relationship with you know, Peyton Manning
has a special relationship with David Cutcliffe, who was the
coach at Duke when Daniel Jones was there. And Daniel Jones,
of course then getting drafted into the NFL and unders

(07:00):
studying under Eli Manning and eventually taking over that torch
and being last night on the Manning Cast. And I
don't know that Daniel Jones, anybody would say or confused
that he has this overly gregarious, overly bubbly, overly fun personality.
He kind of feels like the football equivalent at the

(07:20):
quarterbacking position of Kurt Signetti at the coaching position, like
all business, straightforward, can't really read the room, probably would
be a good poker player, et cetera. But last night
he goes on the Manning cast and they're joking around,
and he's joking with Eli. You know, Hey, I'm Eli
made the joke of like, you're already the best quarterback
in Indianapolis Colt's history, and Peyton laughs about it, and

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they went on and talked and joked a little bit about,
you know, some of the challenges that Eli had for
him as a quarterback and et cetera. But as I'm
watching it, and it's Monday night football and I'm sitting
there and I'm thinking back to the Monday night footballs
of yesteryear, and I'm thinking and then I see Greg
Holys tweet about the eighty five one hundred, and I'm like,

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it all has come full circle now for Daniel Jones
here in Indianapolis. And is this and I guess this
is the big question that we will wait to see.
Is this in fact, in the case of Daniel Jones,
is this short lived? Is this the we'll go with

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Sam Darnold, Ryan Fitzpatrick. There have been quarterbacks you've seen
where it feels like they have a second lease on
life and it is a brand new thing. And then
the or, is it in fact that Daniel Jones was
in a bad situation, was in a bad situation and

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was unfairly tabbed as being the reason that the New
York Giants were struggling. And did Chris Ballard have the
foresight to say, this guy can play, this guy can play.
This guy has the pedigree, this guy has the size,
this guy has the vision, this guy has the legs.
This guy can play. All we've got to do is

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put him in the right spot. Or did Chris Ballard
say I don't know whether Daniel Jones can play. I
don't know how good this guy is. What I do
know is this he has enough starts under his belt
and a situation that you can say was one that
was of question whether or not he was put in

(09:33):
a good spot. And so I can get away with
signing him to a one year deal. And this is
gonna push my franchise quarterback in Anthony Richardson. This is
gonna wake up Anthony Richardson. This is not some guy
that is like forty two years old. This is not
some guy that was basically a glorified practice squad player.

(09:57):
This is a guy that when I bring him in
the reason I'm bringing in Daniel Jones is because it's
going to wake up Anthony Richardson finally, And the benching
after the helmet tap didn't necessarily work, and the coming
out and making a couple of statements about him hasn't worked.
And we need somebody that is going to push him
and to show him what it's like to operationally be

(10:18):
in charge of all of it. And then he got
here and they said, you know what, this guy's above
and beyond just a guy that's pushing Anthony Richardson. This
is a guy that can be our starter. And here
he is, and the Colts are three and zero and
lo and behold, Daniel Jones is doing the Manning cast.
And Daniel Jones is reborn. He's reborn in Indianapolis. And

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yet you get super excited about it. Then you think, okay,
we're like, you know, twenty percent the way through the season.
There's a lot of football remaining to be played. But
so far, so good, and you got to like what
you see. My name is Jake Querry, Eddie Garrison, Eddie.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'm great? How are you?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I'm tired. I'm tired. I had one of those This
is a sleep deprivation Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I warn everybody now any one of those energy drinks
from Java House Drink. I think I've got a pod.
Do you have one? When we go get you one?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
That would be the Wrangler?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Are you allowed to have a wrangular energy?

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I know?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
What the what the here's the thing? Yeah, I mean
probably some sort of a caffeine would help me, but
it's I just do you ever have one of those
nights where I call it sleep anxiety? Yes, where you
you wake up and you're like, oh my gosh, please,
I need to go to sleep now. I need to
go to sleep now. And then before you know it,

(11:40):
you're staring at the ceiling and you're like, oh my goodness,
if I fall asleep right now, I'll get five hours. Okay,
four is better because your body goes in the sidecos four.
So if I fall asleep right now, I'll get four hours. Okay,
three hours is I can work on three hours, you
know what? Two hours is at least invisible into four,

(12:01):
and the body works on that cycle, so two will
be good. And then before you know it, you're like,
I think I got an hour and half asleep. I
have no idea why I woke up forty five minutes
after going to bed but I sat there and started
the ceiling, and that means that I came up with
all kinds of things running through my head, which we'll
go over today. And I know that excites you tremendously, Eddie, tremendously.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Did you watch last night's Monday night football game?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Sure did?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Interesting because Jake, did you flip over to the Maning
cast when Dantoniel Jones was on? Or did you watch
with Troy Buck? Yeah? Yeah, can I not? Oh my goodness,
I'm gonna stop talking Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. Thank you, Troy,
Bob and Joe Aikman as with me.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I did watch the primary and then I saw the
Manning cast portion of it after the fact.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Same. The the thing that is fascinating in the way
that the AFC and it's very early. I mean, it's
so early that it's almost dangerous to begin like forecasting
the way things can go. But nonetheless, you watch things
and your mind starts racing and you start convincing yourself

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that things are going to go this way or that way.
And you know, it's like when the lottery, It's like
when the power ball gets up to two billion, dollars
and you start convincing yourself that you can. You know,
oh man, I'm telling you, like if the numbers fault
just the right way here, I really think this is
the winning combo. I mean, you start getting ahead of yourself,

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and to an extent, in the NFL, that can happen. Okay,
But the the AFC, if you were to make a list, Eddie,
now I want you to do me a favor here. Okay,
there's a reason I bring this up. I want you
to out loud tell me. Okay. Now, I don't think

(13:51):
about records, don't think about the standings right now, just
think about just going into it. Really, the teams that
you assumed were going to be the upper echelon of
the AFC, your five best AFC teams based on your assumptions,

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your anticipations, their roster, their last two years, all things considered.
Having nothing to do with the injuries right now, I'm
talking about effective three weeks ago, you would have, off
the top of your head said what teams in the AFC.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I would have said, the Chiefs okay, the Ravens okay,
the Bills okay, sincy no, because I had major questions
about their defense. The Chargers.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, those are the first four.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
That come to mind. I got fifth one. This is
just kind of up in the air throwing at me.
Denver probably would have been the fifth. Okay, just how
they closed last year. And so with that Chargers three
and zero.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Cincinnati, I think a lot of people would have said
was up there because they have weapons galore, but no Burrow. Right,
so Cincinnati, you give like kind of a check mark
of we'll check back on them. Baltimore. What's Baltimore's record
right now?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
One in two?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Kansas City also one in two, they have they play
each other this week, and then Buffalo is three and zero.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
No, while that one of those two teams can be
one in three after four weeks.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
And here's the thing. So then you look at the
Colts and you go, okay, it's three games, and realistically
the Colts only four a leap of faith, or actually
a leverage of faith. The Colts are three and oho

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instead of two and one. And maybe we're having a
totally different conversation if they're two and one, because we
would look at it and say, they literally so far
have beaten the two worst teams in the league. If
you'd say it about Miami now, but I mean, going
into it, there were a lot of question marks about Miami.
Clearly Tennessee is not very good. But they're two and one,

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and now your mind starts racing because you think to yourself,
not only are they three and zero, I think the
schedule is pretty favorable the way it lays out for them,
and those that you assume are going to be the
upper echelon, upper seeded home field advantage teams, some of
which already have stubbed their toe or that issue.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
You just bang your knee on the that's all right,
all right.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
When you're six four, you bang your knee over the place. Okay,
I'm just making sure you're to thank you, You're welcome.
Look at the schedule. The Rams are going to be
tough out in LA, no question about that. But then
you come back. You got the Raiders and the Cardinals
at home. Now the Cardinals are one of those we're
going to get into this other group here in just

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a second, that might fall into that grouping. And then
you go back out to LA and you the Chargers
not but then boom, you come right back. You get
Tennessee at home. So you got a bye week. Right,
you get two bye weeks this year, which is nice. Okay,
one of them comes just before Thanksgiving and the other
comes just after going back out west. Then you get Pittsburgh,

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and Pittsburgh is Pittsburgh any good?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
They needed five turnovers to win that game against New England,
two of them coming at the goal line.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Atlanta at home? Is Atlanta any good? That game is
the Bayern Munich game. By the way. Yeah, I'm sorry
I keep saying at home, so yeah, or Germany. You
know what I got. Here's what I'm gonna do. The
schedule that I have that the Colts put out Berlin.
The schedule has the the game with Atlanta. They have

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it like in the white as a home game. I'm
gonna put the little markers here and turn it into
like a little German looking flag to keep remind us
up because I've said this like seven times now that
that's but you get my point. I think the schedule
is favorable for them now.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
And then you go to Kansas City coming off the buye.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
The thing that is also curious is this, I'm curious
on how your art looks after they're over there.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
So the shot up to the camera.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well, I don't have red and yellow ink, so I'm
just nothing special. I just did it this way.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
I think if you were doing sports talk radio right
now and this is the reality of the situation, I'm
going to ask you for again. I want you to
block out and those of you at home can participate
as well. Block out the records, block out what you
know you have seen so far realistically the circumstances, I

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guess I should say, but give me the three or
four teams in the NFL right now that you know
they're not terrible and they might be good, but you're
not convinced of it, and you're just kind of like
you know they're they're not. I'm not going to completely
laugh at them and snicker at them, but they might

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be decent. But I still need to see more. Give
me three or four that fit in that category.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I know it's only three weeks, but the Jacksonville Jaguars, Okay,
that'd be one that's fair. Give me another one, the
Seattle Seahawks okay. And I guess the Pittsburgh Steelers would
come into that category.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, Pittsburgh probably, although you feel like Pittsburgh's probably aging,
right Pittsburgh feels destined to once again be the end
of the year going into the final week, and it's like, okay,
here it is the nine in a game where we
figure out whether or not they're going to be five
hundred from Mike Tomlin again or above five hundred, you
know what I mean? Yeah, I think that in this grouping,

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you have to put Arizona right. I mean, they're two
and one. Kyler Murray's a nice player, but are they good?
I don't know how much do we know about Arizona
and you to beat the two worst teams in the
league just showing up. So Arizona is the NFC Indianapolis Colts. Right,
if you're doing sports talk radio right now in Phoenix,

(20:08):
if you're doing sports talk radio right now in Atlanta,
if you're doing sport which, by the way, do they
do sports talk radio in Atlanta. Nobody's a sports fan
in Atlanta, right, It's all just transients. Nobody's calling in
about the Falcons, right, I bet, I bet there are
people calling in about the Falcons after getting shot out
by the Panthers. They're calling in about the Braves and
then they they Braves are out of the playoffs, so
that not understood. But the Braves are a big deal

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down there. But what I'm saying is with the Falcons,
no one's actually a Falcons fan in Atlanta. They just
go to Falcons games to see the team that they
grew up watching because nobody's from Atlanta. They just they're like, yeah,
I work for Coca Cola, so now I live down here.
But I digress. You know, Arizona. If you're doing shows
in any of those other markets, you're probably saying that.

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About Indianapolis, You're probably saying about the Colts, like are
they good? They're three and zero, and then you look
at the numbers and you go, yeah, but they beat
Miami and they beat Tennessee. But good teams, Eddie, beat
the teams they're supposed to beat. That's the thing. A
mark of being a good team is that you just
don't stub your you know, you take advantage of things

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that are placed before you. And so far that's exactly
what they've done. And your mind already through three and
I know it's only been three weeks, but through three
weeks you already now are starting to stare at it
and go, is this really a possibility?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
That, and.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
When you then look at the schedule, Okay, and this
is what in your mind when you think about the
AFC South, which I again is the junk drawer of
the NFL divisions, right, It's just this Houston that we

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thought was decent and they just can't out of their
own way. And Tennessee that is just I mean, Tennessee
is like the literally the Tennessee is at this point
like a CD.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
They're turning into the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Almost Tennessee is literally is the Tennessee Titans in the
junk drawer division that is the AFC South. The Tennessee
Titans are three doors down CD. It was pretty decent
in two thousand or two thousand and two, and yet
like it's still you still haven't laying around and you're like,

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I don't even know where I would play this anymore.
I don't even know what I was supposed to do
with this. But you haven't thrown it out yet. I
think I have a better comparison for the Colts of
the NFC. Jake, Okay, think about what it is, because
and then I want you to think about that, and
I want you to tell me who it is on
the other side, and I'll try to guess it. And

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I want you to tell me, Eddie, think about this,
how many games do you think realistically wins the twenty
twenty five AFC South And there's a reason I ask it.
We'll go over that. Steve and Hold are going to
join us one o'clock today, Tuesday edition of Query Company,
as Scott Agnes joins us as well the Fever in Action. Tonight.
We will preview that lot to unpack, a lot to

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get to over the course of the next couple hours,
and we will answer those two questions from Eddie on
the other side. By the way, we're sitting here talking
about the upcoming division all that I was reading yesterday
on the internet, which is all knowing apparently the world's
ending today? Did you know that?

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Wait? Wait?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, it was nice knowing you, Jake. I'm glad I'm
spending my last days of work of my life with you.
I mean, do you feel the same way.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Do you think they'll they'll do it before three, so
at least the full workday.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
In well, I don't know if you would want that.
I feel like you would want to go until three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Jake.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's been one last full show with me.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
That's right, and then at three point thirty it's boom.
It's all done, by the way, got Evan.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Cheryl sent me a tweet last night, a post on
the expost twitter as you call it. It's in the
back of my head. Lookedod last night on Channel thirteen.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Oh I did see that. You got some TV time.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
It's very hard to keep this milling out of the shot?

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Am I right? That is correct? Yes, you are the
walking eclips?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Okay? How many games do you think it takes to
win the AFC South this year? The winner of the
AFC South, the winning the record will be what eleven?
So you think eleven and six gets it done?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I believe so because Jacksonville's won twice, they had that
heartbreaking loss to Cincinnati, and they only have one win
over a divisional team right now, and that was Houston.
They haven't played Tennessee yet. So here's why I ask it.
And I know this is like the lamest exercise in radio,
but it is topical. Based on the start I'm gonna

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give you. I'm gonna name the game, and I just
want you to tell me Eddie off the top of
your head on what you know right now? With the
Colts instinctively no breakdown, no, no, no, no, just boom boom boom,
boom boom answer, win or loss? Okay for the Colts
at the Rams, Raiders at home, when Cardinals at home,

(25:15):
When at the Chargers loss, Titans at home, when at
the Steelers, when Falcons in Berlin, win, Kansas City at
Kansas City loss, Houston at home, win at Jacksonville loss

(25:37):
fair okay, uh, Seattle at Seattle, loss, San Francisco at home, win,
Jaguars at home, win at Houston at Houston, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Loss, Okay. So you have them as one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight remaining wins that would put them at eleven and six,
and you believe that wins the division? Correct? Yeah, that's
simply my point is at with this start, because they
have done what they've done, they put themselves in very

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good position.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
And who.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
So much good? The NFL is a game of inches, man,
and that the leverage. There's your inches leverage. What's that leverage?
That's right?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
That was the game winning played for the Colts right
week two.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
That's what I mean the leverage that that's the game
of inches, right, there. That's the that I mean, because
if they are two and one right now, we're probably
not having that same conversation. But that's just the way
things go.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
It's fascinating in the NFL. I'm gonna weekly pick them
with three of my buddies.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Is this a survivor or just like a No, it's
a confidence pool, okay, and it's cumulative over the course
of the year. Now, how many of you had Green
Bay as you know, your most confident confident pin.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Nobody had it as the most confident Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
But the fascinating thing about the NFL is just this
past Sunday, for example, as you're sitting there watching over
the course of the afternoon, who's the leader for the
week and whatever else? It was changing back and forth
because there were literally in the early games on Sunday,
there were like three games that all were swung by

(27:25):
a field goal in the last ninety seconds and they
happened within like five minutes of each other. Yeah, the
parody is it really is, I mean, And that's the
NFL is set up that way, and that's why the
NFL has the aside from gambling, aside from fantasy sports,
and aside from the fact that for the better part

(27:47):
of our culture, the NFL has been a one day
domination sport, another factor as to why it is the
eight thousand pound gorilla is the fact that it is
designed that way where every single franchise at the beginning
of the year feels like they have a chance that

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it's going to be there, that they are going to
be there that season's Indianapolis Colts or whoever it may be,
where you're just like, oh, the Minnesota Vikings of a
couple years ago, where you're like, are they actually gonna
win fifteen games?

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Here?

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Now you were talking about a team in the NFC
that you believe is the equivalent right now of the Colts.
Is that right? That is correct? Can you define without
telling me the team what the criteria is that you
believe makes it mirror Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Well, they're a team that is they're one of the
six teams that is undefeated through three weeks of the season. Okay,
they haven't really played anybody and they got gifted two wins.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
They haven't played anybody and they were gifted two wins. Well,
it's got to be and we're talking NFC. Yes, it's
got to be San Francisco because there's only two NFC
teams that are unbeaten, right.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
There are three NFL games that are unbeaten. That is
one of them, and you are in correct.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
The Tampa Bay Bucks, you are correct, Yeah, because you
kind of forget about them, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
They I mean they lucked out against Houston, but squeaked
out a win against Atlanta. Here's what Tampa has, Mike Evans,
by the way, going you miss three to four weeks
with a hamstring Streen. What Tampa has that the Colts
are hoping they have. I think we can now say,

(29:35):
in fact now is.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
He Heisman winner, number one selection, franchise quarterback, multiple Super
Bowl attending quarterback level? I don't know, but I think
we have enough body of work now to say that
Baker Mayfield has a solid home and is a legit
top what would you say twelve quarterback? Yeah, And I

(30:00):
think for the Colts they are hopeful. Certainly they're hopeful,
but you would love for that to end up being
the same story with Daniel Jones, where you say you
know what, and in Baker's case, there were other stops
along the way, but a change of scenery from the

(30:20):
franchise that drafted him is what was needed for him
to really finally blossom. And I think the Colts would
love to be able to say that about Daniel Jones.
But again it is early one thing that the Colts
have done masterfully with Jones.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
By the way, Baker Mayfield was twenty eight when he
joined the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Daniel Jones twenty eight May
twenty seventh his birthday. I know that because ninety seven
eighty five hundred, yep.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
But the the thing about Jones, Shane Steichen is calling
masterfully the plays in the offensive scheme for Daniel Jones.
And what the Colts are doing is you knew going
in that they had, you know, Jonathan Taylor, and you
know obviously Tyler Warren was going to be an important

(31:13):
target for him and a comfort zone and et cetera.
They have brilliantly. And maybe it's Reggie Wayne. Maybe Reggie
Wayne deserves a lot of credit because Reggie Wayne. Let
me tell you something that happened to Reggie Wayne that
is an underrated or perhaps under or overlooked aspect of

(31:35):
what's impacting the Colts right now. Two things. Number One
Reggie Wayne when he came into the NFL as a player,
was not a dynamic rookie. And there were murmurs and
discussions and questions and whispers around town as to whether

(31:56):
or not Reggie Wayne was a bust or a wasted pick.
And yes, he was coming into a situation where you
had Peyton Manning, but you already had Marvin Harrison and etc.
So they he had time to kind of grow. And
then once it took off for Reggie Wayne, you know

(32:18):
what kind of player Reggie Wayne was? Could that be like?
And I'm not saying that this guy's going to have
the career of Reggie Wayne, don't get me wrong, But
a year ago, we were all ready to write off
Ady Mitchell, and maybe Adi Mitchell simply needed a wide

(32:39):
receiver coach that said, look, you've got to block out
the noise, because I know what that's like as a
rookie to hear all the conversation about how you're not
panning out. I've been there, and Adie Mitchell has not
been some breakthrough player for the Colts this year, but
I think we've seen he is a guy that is

(32:59):
showing that he can contribute, and that's one area, perhaps
we're having Reggie Wayne as your wide receiver coach is
paying off for you. But there's another area where I
think that Reggie Wayne is paying dividend and there's another
player that is benefiting from it.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Now.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Years ago, I did a radio show here in town,
different station, and one day we're sitting there and we're like,
we should try to do a player's show. Find a
player on the colts to do like a weekly show with,
And I said, what about Reggie Wayne. Okay, let's try.

(33:47):
So the radio station reached out to I don't know
whether it was AMP or management or somehow of Reggie Wayne,
and they're like, yeah, Reggie Wayne will do it great.
And so the way that we were able to get
Reggie Wayne is I think that truthfully, at that point
in his career, a lot of people thought that we

(34:08):
were starting to see the introduction of the twilight of
Reggi Wayne, the start of the decline of Reggie Wayne.
And one of the things that doing that show with
Reggie Wayne taught me was how unbelievably prepared, both physically

(34:30):
and mentally he was. Every week. He knew every single
aspect of being a wide receiver in terms of knowing
the tendencies of his quarterback, reading the tendencies of the
defense he was lining up against, but more importantly the
workouts that he did. It was incredible to me. I mean,

(34:53):
he would tell me about how he was up at
five o'clock in the morning doing extra you know, doing
things on elliptical whatever, well before he even went into
the building, and then spend all day in the building,
and then once a week would do the radio show
and whatever else rents and repeat, and the thorough nature
of it all and the dedication to it all was incredible.

(35:17):
And during the time in the multiple seasons that I
was doing the show with Reggie Wayne, it was either
the first or I think it was the first year
we did. It was the rookie year of Andrew Luck,
and Reggie Wayne was the guy that really was facilitating this.
Reggie or Andrew Luck was a savant as it is,

(35:38):
but Andrew Luck when he first came in as a
rookie in that unbelievable year and the Chuck Pagano year
and the Gloves game against the Packers and everything that
Reggie Wayne did that year so much, I think and
Andrew Luck would have been a great quarterback out of
the womb as an NFL player, if he had you

(36:00):
and I and Jimmy Cook as his receivers, right, but
he had Reggie Wayne, who was a comfort and guiding
force for him. But what Reggie Wayne did that year
to not only extend his own career, What Reggie Wayne
did that year to help Andrew Luck. What Reggie Wayne

(36:24):
did that year to lift the Colts in multiple games
and become and further cement himself as a fan favorite
in this town. All of those things that Reggie Wayne
did as a player, he's now on the coaching staff

(36:45):
and it is paying dividends for the Colts right now,
and it's helping Daniel Jones, and it's helping Shane Steichen,
and it's helping a particular player that's facilitating for all
of that. And I'll tell you what it is that
he's doing and why it is an extremely overlooked aspect

(37:05):
of this season. On the other side, Stephen Holder joined
us eighteen as well here on a Tuesday. Reggie Wayne
in those years I'm talking about, as he transitioned from
being the wide receiver that was the compliment to Marvin Harrison,
the one that got behind the defense in the Super Bowl,

(37:27):
caught the touchdown pass, had dynamic plays, unbelievable catches. In
those years with Andrew Luck. What Reggie Wayne did was
reinvented himself essentially as a possession receiver. He was he
knew he didn't have the breakaway speed anymore. I remember
one of those shows that I did with him, him

(37:47):
talking about a play where he was I think he
got dragged down at like the five yard line. He's like, man,
I was running for all I had, and that end
zone just kept getting further and further away. But he
still was an unbelievable target in the intermediate for Andrew
Luck because of his ability to turn right off the line.

(38:11):
Obviously his hands are incredible, to run precise routes and
to make up for what athleticism was starting to go
away from him by through precision and Alec Pierce is
clearly a very good athlete, has great speed, obviously has

(38:32):
great hands. But one of the underrated, overlooked aspects so
far of this Cult season is at the time when
they needed Ady Mitchell to really show that he had
made the step and was ready to be a secondary piece,

(38:55):
they got more time and Ady Mitchell got more time
of allowing himself more time to grow. And Mitchell is
starting to turn the corner a little bit, but the
pressure is off of him a little bit because Alec
Pierce has reinvented himself a little bit, or maybe just

(39:16):
invented himself in general as possession receiver is selling him
short but a short yardage receiver and a guy that
now all of a sudden, they're using Pierce in different ways.
And just when we thought to ourselves, as I did
when Daniel Jones was named the starter and Alec Pierce

(39:38):
is going into a contract year, I thought to myself, well,
that took care of that, did it? Because he's become
a really important part of their offense. And I know
that right now he's in the protocol concussion and we'll
find out from Steven if there's anything new on that.
But I think that's a wrinkle to their offense. That
has been a huge, a big part of Daniel Jones

(40:02):
what he is doing for the Colts right now is
the fact that he is put in a situation where
he is allowed to have or it is facilitated for
him to find a comfort zone because of the way
that he can spread the ball around between Warren and
Jonathan Taylor and Pittman and now Pierce as well, and
Pierce move him up that chart in terms of options.

(40:24):
I mean, he's no longer like a you know, hey,
I guess if the play's breaking down, I'll throw it
up and hope Alec Pierce goes and gets a guy.
He's now a He's part of my immediate progressions and
early in the progressions read to get him the ball.
I mentioned last night, by the way, Eddie, that I
couldn't sleep. Okay, what do you do when you have

(40:45):
when insomnia strikes you? What do you do?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I just lay there and think about life.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
What do you do to try to slow down your
brain and fall asleep?

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Like?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
What things do you do when you're like I've got
to get Like I had ten thousand things going through
my head, and I was like, I have to somehow
get all of this out of my head and just
clear my head in general. And so I'm like, you
know a lot of times I'll do the Okay, let

(41:18):
me see if I can think of the National Football
League standings in order, or the Major League Baseball standings
in order, or you know, I just start, my brain
starts going through stuff and so, and you just think
about life at that point. Yeah, I just think about, hey,
what do I got tomorrow? This, that, and the other, like,
all right, cool, that's what I gotta do. And then
my problem is that's what keeps me up. Right really,

(41:41):
so I last night at about three point thirty eight
in the morning, Old Jake, I also have home remedies to.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
To help me with that issue.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Okay, so last night I thought to myself, Okay, nothing's
working here, so I'm just gonna start doing extra in
my mind. Now what I mentioned this on the air
right now. And this happens to me every once in
a while. Okay, I will mention something and people will

(42:09):
say to themselves, well that that's the dumbest that what
is this guy talking about? And then invariably and inevitably
later they will say, you know, you mentioned that, And
I have to admit I kept going back to it.
I kept thinking about it. Now, here's one that I
did last night. You ready, I'm ready start count And

(42:30):
I thought, what's that you start counting? Sheep? I have
actually tried doing that before.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
No.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I was sitting there and I began thinking about this,
and I thought, I'm going to count through the alphabet
and for every letter of the alphabet, I'm going to
name a car manufacturer that begins with that letter. Now
I don't mean model, I don't mean model, So like
you drive a Chevy Malibu? Correct? Sure, yeah, so I

(43:01):
don't mean the the M for Malibu, I mean C
for Chevrolet. So I started it A and I went
to Z and I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna sit
here until I think. And then I went back through
the alphabet to do Okay, now I'm gonna do you know,
second car whatever. By my estimation, by my calculation, there

(43:22):
were one, two, three, four letters of the alphabet that
I could not think of a car that starts with
that letter. Would you like to guess the letter, Eddie,
give me a letter and I'll see if you're correct.
Here Now you think this is crazy, but now you're
gonna start thinking about it and go, you know, it's
actually a good question. Three four letters, four letters that

(43:43):
I literally could not think of a car, manifact a
car manufacturer that serves that letter you that is one
of them, That is indeed one of them. There might
be one. Feel free to send me a text at
three one seven, five, two, three nine eight if you
can tell me. And there's probably like some you know,
like Polish car manufacturer, but I'm talking about like you know,

(44:06):
at least available now. Defunct is fine. It can be
a defunct, but it has to be a card that
at some point you could have bought the United States?
You is one? Would you like to guess me? Another letter?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Here?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Que Stephen Holder in five by the way, Q. No there.
I can't remember what I came up with for Q,
but there was one. Q. Okay, why you go? Oh
that's right, the you go, baby, I'd love to have it.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
You go.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
You can probably buy one right now for like seven
hundred bucks. Keep thinking on the other ones. Holder joins us.
We'll talk Colts. Will get the latest in terms of
the injury report from the Indianapolis Colts with Stephen Holder
of ESPN. Next the Ultima by the way. Ultima is
a British sports car with a U. And then I

(44:57):
think I was cheating on this one. I don't know
where I heard of it, but the qual I think
that's a prototype, though I don't think quant is out yet.
That was my cue. E okay, e is one of them.
I couldn't think of one with E.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
So you have one more that you could not think of?

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yes, Now give me a letter that you just give
me another letter here that and I'll tell you what.
Just name a letter and I'll tell you what manufacturer
came up with. V Volkswagon. Yep, that's the first one
that comes to mind, right, U Volvo would be another one.

(45:35):
Volvos are the safest cars, right, isn't that right? Uh,
that's the last one that I couldn't think of one.
There has to be ones, right, I know that there
are models. What's at Zenos and Zenvo Zenvo. You know
what's funny is if you go to Europe you can
get like there's there are certain manufacturers. When I was

(46:00):
I rented a car when we were in Europe and
it was I mean, it was a pretty cool car
and the logo for it was kind of like a
Pegasus looking thing and yeah, like a no, a griffin,
like a griffin looking thing, you know, they like lion
looking Delio with wings and it was like a Polish
manufacturer and like they're everywhere a.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Zenos or Zenos Havard's pronounced as a British automotive company
that produces high performance, lightweight sports cars.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Do you like iss How fast can you drive me?

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Is Ez? Yes?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I like to listen to Issis and my Zes.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
They went into distribution in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Oh really you're still around? Looks like it. Stephen Holder
set to join us. Do you think he's bailing because
of this conversation last night in Monday that football? Would
you if you were him? What's that? Would you hear?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Him? Probably?

Speaker 1 (46:56):
One thing I think we learned last night. I still
think Baltimore is really good, but Detroit Week one was
the anomaly. I mean, I think Detroit Jared Goff give
him credit. Man, I've said all along, you know, Jared,
especially that year the Lions went to the Super Bowl,
Jared Goff looked kind of lost and looked like he
couldn't like, I don't know what it was. It was

(47:19):
like he had never seen different defensive formations before. And
then he since then, you know I heard them last
night mentioned on the broadcast that he felt like going
to Detroit was one of the best things to happen
to his career. And I mean, I'll give him credit

(47:43):
for saying that. Maybe he just needed to get away
from like a change of scenery because he I mean,
I've said it before. You know, you grew up here
a California kid. You play at cal you had more
one on one time with that the wife of his

(48:03):
is it are they married now?

Speaker 2 (48:04):
You don't have a kid.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
And he got very excited when he mentioned that.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, sure, they just have their first kid.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
They did. Yeah. So, but you know, you grew up
in California. You go to cal you're playing for the Rams,
you're living in LA, you're starting in the Super Bowl,
and then you get traded to Detroit. I mean nothing
against the city of Detroit. We have Detroit's come a

(48:31):
long way and then and I'll give them credit. I
mean they're doing what they can to like clean things up,
turn things around, what are whatever? You know, what have you?
But to go from LA to Detroit is like you
want to talk about culture shock and yet it I mean,
he has played very well there. They they have a
lot of weapons, they're fun to watch. And you know, Baltimore,

(48:56):
we you still think of Baltimore as the elite of
the elite, but.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Defense doesn't look as good as you thought of I know,
telling you but the NFL is a long season, man,
and Lamar was just under durest the entire night. Seven Sacks.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Joining us now a guy that feels like he's under
duress every time he comes on this program, I'm sure
from ESPN dot Com Stephen Holder joining us, Steven. Let's
get right to the first thing's first year, and that
is the Colt's injury report. You know, I would assume
obviously at this point on a Tuesday, there's really no
new information on some of those, notably Kenny Moore and
Alec Pierce, that are hurt. Sometimes there are also those

(49:37):
that we hear about and you go, wait a minute,
I didn't realize that they were under question in terms
of their health status. Where do things stand right now
in terms of the health of the Colts.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Well, it's pretty apparent at this point. I think that
that Kenny Moore is not going to play this week.
That's not confirmed. They haven't said that out right, but
every indication is that he will not play this week.
So I think they're planning for that. Mike Kilton, which
that kick that was reported yesterday that the former SNATI
Bengals corner he has joined the practice squad. As of

(50:13):
today officially, so they can promote him on a Sunday
if they need him. And remember he has a history
of playing in the slot, and so he has shown
the versatility to be able to play in there. Is
he the player he used to be? I don't think so.
Then that's that's just a reality. But he has experienced
and he could do it on short notice. So that's

(50:36):
where they are there look out in Paris. You know
how these concussions are, You don't know, frankly until you
see how the player responds in the following days. So
too early to know. He's got to go through the steps,
and you can't really do that for the most part
until you get out there and practice. So that process
gets underway. Tomorrow we'll see if he's even out there,

(50:58):
if he has had a or I guess if his
symptoms have subsided, he can practice and then he's got
to follow the steps and then we will see where
he stands on Friday Saturday. So that's where we're at
right now. But I think you're getting ready to see
perhaps Mike Hilton and possibly if Piers doesn't play a

(51:20):
little more of Ady Mitchell's.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Steve and I know he has to miss one more
game because he's placed on injuryserve prior to the season.
But is the anticipation after this week that the twenty
one day would turn to action window will be opened
for Jalen Carlis.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
What I've heard is that he seems to be somebody
who will come back sooner than later when once that
four week you know, time limits has elapsed, and this
is the fourth game coming up, and that would be
good because I do think linebackers an issue for them
right now. That position or that unit, the depth is

(51:57):
just not there, and they don't have a lot of
playmaking at that position right now. Carlais is a guy
who has that potential, that playmaking potential, particularly in coverage.
And so you go up against a play caller like
Sean McVay and you know Carlais won't play this week.
But I'm just saying, you know, that's a guy who

(52:18):
can exploit your weaknesses, and that is a weakness for
the COLT. So it's something to watch.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
For his work.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Stephen, which has been a bigger Stephen Holder, our guest
from ESPN dot com, which has been a bigger surprise
for you in terms of this offense, and by that
I mean in the short yardage passing game and a
short yardage target for Daniel Jones, Jonathan Taylor or Alec Pierce.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Hmm. I would say Jonathan Taylor maybe because I think
if you look at the last couple of years, his
receiving numbers have been down pretty substant He caught a
lot of passes in his first two years because he
was on the field all the time, but the last

(53:06):
two years since Shane stykeing, it's coincided with Shane Styking
being here. And I don't know that it's Shane specifically,
but for whatever reason, he hasn't caught a lot of passes,
and I think it's an opportunity missed. I always thought that.
I think some of the biggest plays in Jonathan Taylor's
career have come in the passing game. I talked to
him about this recently. You can go back to there

(53:26):
was that Carson Wentz game in Baltimore a few years
back where they hit him on a checkdown or a screen,
I can't remember, and he went about seventy yards to
the house. There was a screen in Houston. I think
maybe Philip rivers through this. I believe maybe as a
rookie for Jonathan Taylor's rookie year, took that one, you know,

(53:51):
sixty yards or so to the end zone. You know,
is his playmaking ability is the same whether you throw
it to him or he runs it right. If he's
in the open field, he's in the open field. So
I just think there were some missed opportunities there. And
Shane Stackin told me before the season privately, he said,
JT's going to catch a lot of passes this year.

(54:12):
And I said, really, because I forgot. It seemed like
you guys forgot that he existed in the passing game.
And it's kind of what I said to him, I'm paraphrasing,
and he said, no. He says, Daniel is the perfect guy.
He's going to get him the ball and he's going
to check it down to him a lot, because that's
what he does when he doesn't have his first option.
And you know, we think that he can help us

(54:34):
a little more in the passing game, even scheming stuff
for him, as you saw, I believe last week against
the Broncos, he saw that long reception that he had
that was a schemed play. It wasn't a checkdown. So
I'm happy they're doing it because I again, I think
they've left a lot on the bone by not getting
him involved there. He is a very poor pass protector.

(54:54):
That's part of what has been his has kept him
out of the passing game. But he's doing a better
job this year. I have to give him credit, and
it really is about effort. So that's good. But at
the same time, Alec Pearce being involved. I knew he
could do it. They just had to actually give him
the opportunities, and I'm glad that they are because he
is a more well rounded receiver than we give him

(55:17):
credit for.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
I was talking about earlier Stephen before he came on.
You know, Alec Pierce and his ability to play again,
possession receiver is the wrong word, but you know they're
able to use him in just in shorter routes, you know,
bubble screens, whatever you want to use. You know, he's
not just the deep ball threat, is what I'm getting

(55:39):
at here, right. How much of that is Shane Stike
in deciding to design and scheme things for Alec Pierce
And how much of that is Reggie Wayne As I
was talking about saying, Look, I had to reinvent myself
as a receiver in the latter part of my career.
You still have the versatility. Let me show you how
to play in this style. Am I giving the Wayne

(56:01):
aspect too much credit there?

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Well, it definitely is a factor. Here's where it's a factor.
Here's where Reggie Wayne is a factor. Alec Pierce has
very much wanted to do this. I talked to him
about this in the off season, and he said his
entire offseason work, well, the majority of his off season
work was spent on getting in and out of his

(56:25):
breaks and doing the things that get you open on
shorter and intermediate routes. You know, when when he gets
to open up and run down the field on a
seven step drop, well he can do that because the
guy can run, and he runs like a gazelle. You know,
he's six three with long legs, and he's got good speed, right,
So that's natural for him. What's not natural is how

(56:47):
do you how do you get open when you're you're
running you know, an eight yard incut, you know, and
you've got to shake this corner who is all over you.
You do that with very precise cuts and good technique
and running routes that all look the same, so that
corner doesn't get any kind of indication of what you're doing.

(57:09):
So that is where I think the Reggie Wayne aspect
comes into play, because he was great at that right.
Reggie Wayne was a technician. You know, when we talk
about Jerry Rice, now, he's not Jerry Rice, although he's
a very he was an excellent player, a Hall of famer,
I think. But Jerry Rice, there's a reason he could
play in the NFL running you know, a four to

(57:29):
eight forty, not quite four eight, but almost right. And
the reason is because he was an incredible technician and
you never knew whether he was running a go route
or a slant. You couldn't tell the difference. And that
is what you have to be able to implement into
your game. And Ali Paris has done a much better job,
I think of running more precise routes and that's how

(57:51):
he's creating that space now. And then the other thing
is Daniel Jones frankly is a factor here because his
ball placement has been credible. I mean I can't believe it.
I mean I didn't think he was like this, you know,
wildly inaccurate quarterback but I never thought he who throw
the ball with this kind of accuracy. It is ridiculous.

(58:12):
So I mean, he's just doing a great job. And
I like Paris is a great contested ball catcher, and
it's all coming together. So it's all the above.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Steven, can you do me. You're not driving right now,
are you?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
I'm not?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Okay? Good, because I want you to close your eyes
for a second. Okay, I'm not going to hypnotize you here, Okay,
Stephen Holder. I want you to close your eyes, take
a deep breath. Okay. I want you to envision Halloween
of twenty twenty six. This is Halloween a year from now,
a year and a month from now or so. Okay,

(58:47):
So you're getting ready, you're setting up the trick or
treating and everything else, and just when the kids are
about to come from the neighborhood up to drive, your
wife says to you, oh, Stephen, before we hand out
the the candy, I was supposed to remind you you've
got a phone interview with the Colts quarterback tonight. You say,
that's right, So you tell the kids to hang on

(59:10):
just a second. You've got to conduct an interview with
the starting quarterback of the Colts. Is that player Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
It sort of sounds like it because the guy has
no wife, he doesn't know that it's Halloween, clearly because
all he does is study the damn playbook. So it
sounds like Daniel Jones to me.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
But look, in all seriousness, but is he here a
year from now as the guy that's starting for this.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
I know, I know, I know, I think that.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
You or or is he exact this year for Halloween,
just disguised as a guy that's a competent quarterback and
we're all going to be fooled with a treat a
trick and not a treat.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Well, wouldn't we feel stupid if that's the case? Right?
But look, three games is not enough. I mean, I'm
not giving him an extension tomorrow or anything. However, I
think if what we're seeing is real, it's not like
to this level. He doesn't have to play this well
all year for him to be a guy who is
who is an option for them next year. This team

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they don't they can't be picky. Okay, they're not going
to have a great draft pick. There's not going to
be quarterbacks falling out of the trees, like, if this
guy continues to play competent football and can work with
Shane Stikeen in such a way that he can get
the best out of him, it's a no brainer. It's
no brainer. And so they have a couple of things

(01:00:29):
going for them. You still got to sign him, right
and that won't They won't be fourteen million, okay, like
it is this year. So the options would be as follows.
You you negotiate, you come to a deal, You sign
him to a multi year contract. Obviously he would want that,
because who wouldn't. The other alternative if you can't get
a deal done is you have the franchise tag because

(01:00:51):
he is your player. So the Colts have the upper hand.
He would certainly be of interest to other teams if
he plays this well all year, no question about that.
But they have the upper hand because they can negotiate
with him in advance, whereas other teams cannot. And they
also have the benefit of the franchise tag, which would
be a gazillion dollars for one year, but probably worth it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I think what you Freudian just said to us before
I inadvertently cut you off from saying it is that
Daniel Jones. Part of how he ended up getting the
job is on Halloween, he's studying the playbook and the
last guy was trick or treating, right, not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Exactly what I was saying, but I will say this,
I hear where you're going with that. I do think that,
you know, I don't want to characterize these things in
such a way like, well, one guy's working hard and
the other guy isn't. But I would say this this guy, Yeah,
but this guy definitely has an incomparable work ethic. That

(01:01:50):
is true. And I think for Daniel Jones, he would
not be the player that he is right now without that. Okay,
now there may be players for whom it's different. But
for Daniel, his success, from everything we see and hear,
is because when you ask Shane Speakin about him, it's

(01:02:13):
the only thing he talks about. He says, Well, the
guy works hard and he studies, and it's all he
puts in all this work, right, It's what everybody says.
So he knows that his his ticket to success is
knowing everything backwards and forwards. And maybe it's because he
doesn't have maybe the you know, the magical Josh Allen

(01:02:34):
type of arm or the Lamar Jackson overall ability, Right,
He's not that kind of quarterback, There's no question about that.
Now he's throwing the ball very well, but there is
something to be said for that, Like he has to
be on the screws on all the details because you know,
his his arm talent maybe isn't what it is for

(01:02:56):
some of the elite guys out there, so he makes
up for it in other ways. And I know that's
a tired cliche, like you know, maybe the guy who
isn't as physically talented, he just outworks everybody. But I
can only tell you in the case of Daniel Jones,
that's what you're seeing right now, Like you're seeing a
guy who's outworking everybody else and making himself the quarterback

(01:03:16):
that he is in part because of the work in
the preparation that he puts in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Steven, let me give you a couple of notes from
this weekend, and I want you to tell me what
you notice here. Okay, I think back. You know the
NFL is a is a copycat and cyclical league, right,
I mean we know that there are trends that happened
in the NFL, and a couple of years ago we
were all discussing. You know that the running back was

(01:03:42):
this expendable, fungible position that you know, no longer did
you need to spend a top second, you know, three
rounds pick on the running back because everybody was throwing
for a billion yards, and the league and the competition committee,
going back to Brady Manning, was set up to advantage quarterback.
I look at the and I'm looking at the sheet

(01:04:04):
right here. Okay, this past weekend, Tyrod Taylor in his game,
Tyrod Taylor through four let me see here, twenty six
of thirty six for one hundred and ninety seven yards. Okay,
Carson Wentz comes in and fills in, and Carson Wentz
goes fourteen to twenty for one hundred and seventy three yards.

(01:04:25):
These are both wins. Bryce Young for Carolina sixteen of
twenty four for one hundred and twenty one yards. What
is it that we're seeing, and this is becoming more
and more than norm Why is it that we are
now seeing short yardage passing games where you're getting guys
that are completing twenty to twenty five passes but doing

(01:04:46):
it for a total of one hundred and twenty five yards.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Well, I think there have to be some extenuating circumstances
for that to work. So you mentioned Carson Wentz for example.
I believe they had two defensive touchdowns in that game.
So that's an example of a scenario like, did you
mention Wentz?

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
No, you mentioned I did mention?

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
I mean here, okay, Joe Flacty two yards per standing
on the former Cult team. But you get what I'm saying, Like,
you know what, it's almost like rhythm passing is now
prioritized over deep ball passing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
I think it depends on the kind of game, right,
I mean we we also saw a game last night
where there were you know, like what eighty some odd
points scored or something, or it's definitely seventy points, right,
I forget off the top of my head. But the
point is, I think it depends. It depends on the
kind of game you're talking about, and certain games will

(01:05:42):
play out differently, and I think coaches and play callers
will govern themselves accordingly. You know, the Browns and Placo
a thirteen to ten game. I think that's one where
if the if the Packers aren't moving the ball and
you're the Browns and your defense is doing a hell
of a job, Like you have to assume it was.
I didn't see the game. Well, you're gonna probably call

(01:06:02):
a conservative game. And I mean, you think that's that's
kind of a decision that probably is made in the moment, right,
the Vikings the defense playing great, two defensive scores, the
Bengals not moving the ball on the other hand, Right,
so you you govern yourself differently. Even the Colts for
some you know, to some extent. Now they scored plenty
of points, but when did Jonathan Taylor really take over

(01:06:26):
that game in the second half when they had a
big lead, Right, So I would say it it is
game to game. But but what your what your point
proves though, is that you you do have to be
able to win different ways. And I and I also
think that the running game matters here too.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
There's some fantastic running backs in the league right now,
and that's they're a factor here too. The running game
is not dead, I'm happy to say, because I think
that we we did overlook that and there was that
whole period of like, don't pay your running back because
it won't be worth it. Well, I mean you think
the Colts regret paying Johnson Taylor right now. I don't

(01:07:07):
think we talk about that enough, right, I mean, just
two years ago they were at war with each other.
Jonathan Taylor and the Colts were at war. He and
his agent were telling me privately, yeah we're done. Yeah right,
I mean I can be honest about it now. I mean,
where do people think my sources were? He was a
freaking source, right, So, like my point is this that

(01:07:32):
has paid off? I mean wonderfully all right, No one
was complaining about that when he was taking that forty
six yard run to the house on Sunday. So I'm
all over the place here. But I do think there's
lots of little factors and a good coaching and teams
that are built the right way can win without maybe

(01:07:52):
the big three hundred yard passing games. It's harder to do,
but it can be done. That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Okay. Lastly, Steven, Steven Holder our guest through three weeks
usually like right about the time is right about the
time statistically, certainly speaking, where you do start to get
a better idea as to who's legit and who's not. Okay,
when you look right now at the NFL through game

(01:08:17):
three or week three, give me two teams. Let's say
one to the good and one to the bad whose
record is a little misleading as to who they are,
because either they've gotten off to a good record and
you're like, yeah, but you got to look below the
surface that's maybe a little misleading, or one that that
has gotten off to a slow start, but you have

(01:08:39):
to look at who they played or circumstances and say,
don't work, don't sleep on them just yet.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
So this will not be a popular answer, but I'm
gonna say it. I think the KOLs have to prove
some things. They're three and zero and they have earned it. Now.
The fact is the Titans and Dolphins, I mean they're
combined oh in six Okay, they haven't done anything. They've

(01:09:07):
barely moved the ball this year. So I think we
need to find out that. That's why this Week four
game is so important. That is not to suggest I
don't believe in them. I'm not saying that. I actually
here's a reason to believe in the Colts because they
played two bad teams, yes, in the Dolphins and Titans,
but they pounded them. I mean they they did whatever

(01:09:29):
they wanted. That is not the Colts team. We are
familiar with. We are familiar with a Colts team that
even just last year when they were competing for the playoffs,
was just skating by the Jets and Patriots. Right, So
this is a different season for sure. So but let's
see this is why this will be their biggest tests

(01:09:50):
on the road, Sean McVay, Matthew Stafford. Let's find out
what they're made of. On the other end, I guess
a team that maybe is who's back record is deceiving
you think? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, you know,
I want to say the Houston Texans, but I don't
know if I believe it. I think they might be bad.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
I agree, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
One side of my brain is like, well, duh, they're
not owing. They're not as bad as a three team.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Is Kansas City really one and two? You know what
I mean? Like, I know they are saying.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Now they're not are They don't scare you right now?
There's no question about that. Although I would say this,
Mahomes is the greatest winner I've seen outside of Tom Brady.
He just knows how to win. They know how to win.
So look, we thought they were down late last year
and then what what they do. They went to the

(01:10:47):
freaking Super Bowl right late last season. We were just
waiting for somebody to figure it out and beat them
in the playoffs, and all they did was just win,
you know, So I never bury those guys. And I
think it's going to be one of the great storylines
of the rest of this season is do the Chiefs
figure it out? Because either way, whether whether they're dead.

(01:11:09):
They're not dead, but whether they're whether they fall off,
or whether they make or run, it's a great story
either way because we're going to be paying attention. So
I am fascinated by it without question.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Can you imagine being a sports talk radio guy in
New Orleans You're talking about the oh to three Saints.
You wanted to deviate from it so it's Pelican's chat time.
I mean, how miserable must that be?

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
I guess it's all LSU all the time, right, And
then you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Got to do it. Brian Kelly, there's that too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
I'm sorry. Sorry Brian Kelly. By the way, I mean,
he seems lovely, doesn't need he seems lovely.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
He has the most punishable face in college football. I
don't know if I should say that, but I'm saying
it right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
I mean, the guy just bugs me. Man, I don't
know what it is. That guy bothers me. I see him,
come on the screen. I want to change the channel.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Ryan Kelly, of course, has a famous tirade just couple
of weeks ago in a college football press conference, and
a guy that has perhaps one of the most famous
just found out that he's in the unemployment line. I
will tell you who that is just a couple of
minutes from now. But Steven Holder appreciate the time as always. Man,
We'll talk to you soon, all right, all right, I'll
talk you soon, all right, Steven Holder joining us. Just

(01:12:17):
came out while we were talking to Steven. There's a
guy in college football that's one of the bigger names,
and for the last decade or so has been at
one of the bigger programs and just found out that
he now is looking for work. We'll let you know
who it is next. So one of the more famous.
And I can't believe, at least based on the math

(01:12:38):
and based on his age, that it's been eighteen years
since this famous rant that took place. And when you
think about great mullets, you know there's been some great
mullets in sports to an extent. Andrea Agassi had a
great mullet, you know, back in obviously like the Nasty Boys.

(01:13:02):
I think Rob Dibble had a pretty good mullet. If
I'm not mistaken, Brian Bosworth had an awesome mullet. Mike
Gundhy of Oklahoma State, who I believe I'm ninety percent
certain in this that he had played college football at
Oklahoma State and Oklahoma State. Listen, I get it. I

(01:13:23):
mean we're in Indiana. What the hell does anybody care
about Oklahoma State? I get it. But Oklahoma State is
one of those programs that you know, has always been
a decent college football program. Obviously Barry Sanders, you know
out of Oklahoma State, they've had good teams. And Mike
Gundhy when he went off on this rant at that time,

(01:13:48):
saw fairly new.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
Come after me.

Speaker 7 (01:13:51):
I'm a man, I'm forty, I'm not a kid.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
So get your facts straight.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
That's right, get him straight. Eight years old. Mike Gundy
today found out in his twenty first season in Oklahoma
State that it will be his last. He has been terminated,
effective immediately. He had said, just yesterday, I'm in a
contract here for I think three and a half years
when I was hired here to take this job. Ever
since that day, I put my heart and soul into

(01:14:17):
this and I will continue to do that until at
some point if I say I don't want to do it,
or somebody else says we don't want you to do it.
Oklahoma State has said that he has owed fifteen million dollars.
He has a record of one hundred and seventy and
ninety from two thousand and five to today, eight ten
win seasons, eight of them the twenty eleven Big Twelve

(01:14:41):
title and finished number three in the top twenty five
and in the Fiesta Bowl that year. Now, that is
a school, Oklahoma State with endless pockets. And I know
that sounds crazy, and that's probably part of the reason
why MTT Gundy, Mike Gundy has been let go is
because T. Boone Pickens was a huge, huge contributor financially

(01:15:06):
and booster for Oklahoma State. He basically built kind of
that program, built their stadium. I think he gave them,
I mean literally multi hundreds of millions of dollars athletically
or to the university itself. And the reason I mentioned
all that this will start, and I don't know. I'm

(01:15:28):
sure it says here who their interim will be. I'm
going to assume that their interim coach will be some
you know, whoever the associate head coach is, or somebody
that's that's right now. But in terms of by the way,
yesterday was the seventeenth anniversary of the famous I'm a man,
I'm forty rant, so I guess he was actually forty

(01:15:49):
one when he said it. But this will begin the
coaching carousel. And the only reason I mentioned that in
terms of the coaching carousel and on a sports talk
radio show in Indianapolis. As Indiana continues to impress and

(01:16:14):
as indiana continues to win games, Kurt Signetti's national profile
will only increase. I don't believe for a second that
Kurt Signetti has and I want people that are listening
right now that are hearing my voice to understand what
I'm saying here. I don't believe for a second that

(01:16:39):
Kurt Signetti has any interest, desire, or is looking in
any way, shape or form to leave Indiana. I think
he is as happy as a pig in slop in
bloomings in Indiana. He was at JMU. He built a
great program at James Madison. Obviously, you know he's been
to other places as well, Indiana, Pennsylvania, and you know,

(01:16:59):
but and other schools before JMU. But when he came
to Bloomington, he made it known essentially, I love the town,
I love the school, I love the program, I love
the fans. I have no interest in leaving. And that's
probably true. Matter of fact, I think it is true.

(01:17:21):
And I'm not saying Oklahoma State is a school that
goes after Kurt Signetti. But Florida's going to be looking
for a coach. I don't think Clemson's going to be
looking for a coach. But let's just say for the
sake of argument, they are. I don't think it's going
to be the case, and I don't think Alabama's going to.

(01:17:46):
But when you start getting into those big time football
is life SEC or ACC Southeast part of the Country
boosters galore, you start getting into schools that are willing
to pay big time money, and in addition that they
want to win now, and they will look around at

(01:18:08):
guys and say who has proven they can win now?
And Signetti's name is going to come up on lists.
It absolutely is, and I know that he has said,
and I believe and all of that that he has
no interest in going. My only thing is everything changes

(01:18:29):
all of a sudden when you start talking about some
of the money that's being thrown around. And you know
what's really interesting is if you look at some schools,
they have super wealthy alumni and boosters, well alumni, but
not necessarily boosters. In other words, at a Stanford. I'm

(01:18:53):
going off assumption here, so maybe that's dangerous, but I
think there are a lot of schools where a degree
from that university or going to that school put you
in a position financially speaking, just within the business world
where you're gonna make a lot of money. But a
lot of those schools, the people that go on to

(01:19:14):
make a lot of money, they think of their school
in the academic sense, but not necessarily in the I
need to support this financially to get us the best
coach sense. Whereas at in Indiana, and I'm just throwing
out in big state universities here, a Mississippi, state of Florida,

(01:19:35):
South Carolina, you can get people that live in those
areas that didn't even attend the school but have a
huge pride in the fact that it's a state university
and where they live, and they think of it almost
as like the professional team of their respective area where
they're living, and therefore they're going to give it a
bunch of money. And then all of a sudden, a

(01:19:57):
Florida or a school like that comes and they're like, hey,
we understand that Kurt Signetti has mentioned that the Heat
does not want to leave Indiana, but we're going to
make him an offer of twelve and a half million
dollars a year or whatever. I mean, I think Dapol
Sweeney's making nine and a half ten Saban was making ten.
I would bet you well like it says right here.

(01:20:19):
I mean if Gundy's owed fifteen and a half or
fifteen million over a three years, so he was getting
at a probably and that's probably the minimum base of five.
That doesn't include coaches, show and camps and whatever else
and shoe contracts and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
So, I mean, there is big, big, big time money
out there, but it all has to start with one
of the big time, deep pocket throw money at it
programs to be looking for a coach to start jump
starting and setting the market value for big time coaches
in Oklahoma State is probably one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Of them, Jake, I know cooks and Signette's also a man,
but he's not forty, he's sixty four, and he's highlighted
that that this is probably a final spot totally. He's
not interesting in going somewhere else and doing another build up.
Like to me, it becomes fascinating if Clemson or Alabama
came a calling, because those because those are pilgrims, right,
you don't have to build up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Right, that's correct? Yeah, I think the only way right
now eight million for Signetti.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Especially for Alabama because of his time there. I know
he was there with saving but still.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Yeah, I mean he's making let's say, with everything all together,
he's making nine in Indiana. If Oklahoma State sets the
bar now somewhere where they really overpay for somebody or
they go out, then all of a sudden in Alabama
or a Florida is looking, they may say, look, we
got to pony up fifteen million for a coach. And
I do think that he is going to be on

(01:21:42):
people's radar. I don't personally think he's gonna leave. I
think and I have no reason to believe. There's been
no insinuation. None of that I mean it is. It's
not irresponsible to me to throw it out there. I'm
just simply saying his name, absolutely with certainty, is going
to come up, and the number is only going to increase,

(01:22:02):
probably because this is an intriguing domino to fall, an
intriguing one to fall in terms of intrigue for the Colts.
We will get you caught up on the intrigue of
what may or may not be news on their injury report,
and we'll do it next. So the Colts have announced

(01:22:23):
their unofficial depth chart for their game against the Rams.
When you want to talk about unofficial, I would say
considering that the game is that far away, but they
do it each and every week. The real case that
it's unofficial, the proof of the pudden would be the
fact that they have right now as they're starting nickel

(01:22:43):
Kenny Moore on their depth chart and wide receiver Alec Pierce.
It does note Pierce left game number three with a
concussion and is currently in concussion protocol. It does note
Kenny Moore recorded his fourth career pick six against the Titans,
later exited the game of a calf injury. There has
been no update on the availability of either. But as

(01:23:05):
Stephen Holder mentioned to us Kenny Moore, one would assume
the safe bet would be that he will miss the
game against the Rams. Now, speaking of betting, that's something
you could do if you were in Vegas. That's exactly
where the Fever are there. Not there to gamble, obviously,
but there to play in game number two against the
Aces tonight nine thirty tip. You can hear that right

(01:23:27):
here on this radio station, meaning that Eddie Garrison will
be in the pregame show at nine point fifteen. Correct, Yeah,
I'll be on until hopefully midnight, Eddie. Oftentimes we see
teams go in and kind of steal a game one, Yeah,
and then you know, I'm trying to think of it

(01:23:51):
just seems and feels like a lot of times that's
kind of a wake up call if there is a
a pretty clear gap in terms terms of a roster
versus the favorite, if you will, and I think most
people thought the Aces, you know, were a huge favorite
in this particular series. And so usually when there's that

(01:24:15):
kind of a disparity, a team that loses Game one
turns around and quickly responds, I'm curious to see what
will happen. I do think that. I just think this
Fever team and the way that they're playing the Kelsey
Mitchell has just been I mean, she has really elevated
her game over the last team two months. She's been

(01:24:36):
She's the most valuable player in the league. I know
she's not named the MVP, but she is playing as
the most valuable player in the league. She has set
a single season scoring mark for uh, you know, for
the Fever, and I just think she's been huge. Now,
I did see yesterday and I do think that, and

(01:24:58):
I'm hoping that we will have coach Stephanie White on
this week in one of the things that we can
ask her. I don't believe this will come to fruition,
but I wanted to ask you about it, Eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
I saw yesterday several people mentioning that there is that
they believe and I could be totally off base on this.
I might have fallen victim to you know. It was
one of those things I quickly saw it, like in Passerby,
that there is still the possibility, based on the language
of the way that it was done, of the timing
or whatever else, that Caitlin Clark could be have eligibility

(01:25:35):
in the postseason. Now, did I totally misread that? I
don't think that would be the I cannot foresee a
possibility of her getting on the floor, but that it
is not entirely out of the realm of possibility if
there was some situation where she was needed.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
That the phrasing word for word was indianaf regard Catley
Clark will miss the remainder of the twenty twenty five
the NBA season.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
Yeah, I mean that again, I have no reason to
believe that they have any thought of her playing on
the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
And listen, I understand that she's a great player, but
why would you why would you mess with what's working
right now?

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
So that's the other question. I understand she's a great player.
I understand that over the course of a season, when
you have her available, that's exactly and obviously what you
were going to do. But are they right now playing
better as a team than they have at any point

(01:26:35):
when she has been on the floor. And that's not
a knock on her, she was not healthy and has
not been around for the better part of it. But
it does feel, does it not that right now the
sum is better than the individual parts that they have
had in the past, and that their cohesiveness right now
is really strong. And I think part of it is

(01:26:56):
because of the fact that there is no doubt of
where they're going on offensively through Kelsey Mitchell, and that's
been a difference for then Mattie.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
I mean, that's an easy yes, Jake, just because of
the fact that and I she has not played Caitlin Clark.
She did not play five consecutive games with at the
any point this year. You have to remember, dating back
to even when camp was starting, she was dealing with
a quad injury, so it sidelined her for a couple
of days, if not a week, and then she starts

(01:27:24):
the season, plays the first four games, then she sidelined
for two weeks with U that was the quad strained,
and then she comes back against New York, plays three
games against Golden State. Actually she plays another series of
four games, and then she reaggravates she has another injury,
but the groin groin issue, and now it's the other going.

(01:27:47):
So like it's hard to really say that she even
had a chance to really have you know, the togetherness
and the connective, you know, level of play that the
fever have right now when she was on the floor,
just because she just wasn't on the floor for an
extended period of time to really give you an answer
on how the season would look if she was out
there for the majority of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
I actually think, I mean, they are six wins away. Yes,
I think they could. I honestly think they could win it.
I think I think they may win this series against
lesban I do I think they're gonna beat the Aces.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
I could see it, especially now that they have home
court advantage. You know, my cousin works for the Aces, really,
but she just had a baby. I don't know if
she's like on leave or or what, but I'd like
to maybe we could get her for some insight. Also,
it feels Jake like right now they're in their quote

(01:28:41):
unquote mid season form, Like did the Aces already peak?
Like they had that seventeen game win streak, Now they've
lost two of their last three games, Like have they
are they coming back down a little bit? Do they
already peak? I know, Asian Wilson in that group is very,
very good, but when you win seventeen consecutive games, you
don't really have to overcome a lot of adversity, So

(01:29:02):
how are they going to respond? I think is a
big question.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
When we come back Scott Act's going to join us
thirty five from now. We will get into this. But
I am curious by the way the question that I
asked to Steven Holder, I would like to know from
you folks the team in the NFL right now, Like
are you convinced the culture for real? Number one? But
what other team are you the most unsure about? Who

(01:29:25):
is the most intriguing, either because you're not convinced they're
as good as the record says, or you think they're
probably better than the record says. And we have tickets
to go away, do we not, Eddie? We do for
MGK okay, so we will do all of that on
the other side. Two three nine one zero seven zero.
That's two three nine ten seventy And as the kids
would say in the street, lingo two three nine one

(01:29:47):
zero seven zero two things that we want to get
to here when you call in number one, I'd like
to know which team you find to be the most
intriguing right now? And number two, Eddie will come up
with the way that we are giving away those tickets
and will get you all the information on that MGK
concert that he used to be Machine Gun Kelly. Now
he's just MGK. Right, Yes, did they still have MGD? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
What MGD?

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
I used to love MGD in the bottle?

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Not familiar.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
A weird fun fact about me is when I go
somewhere to have a beer, I have to have it
on draft. But the only one that I'll drink out
of the bottle used to be MGD.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
By the way, Thomas just signed a one year deal
with the Cavaliers.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Okay, good for the former Pacer and former HOO'SA right
two through nine, ten seventy. We'll talk next, Okay, Scott
Agnes coming up bottom of the hour. We'll get into
the Fever matchup tonight. Also, as Eddie had just mentioned,
Thomas Bryant now a member of the Cleveland Cavaliers. I

(01:30:50):
thought Bryant played really well for the Pacers last year.
But there were times, and you know, maybe maybe I'm
the only one that thought this. I don't think it
was the most popular opinion, necessarily because I liked him,
and he came on this program a couple of times
and was always enjoyable. We had him on, but Thomas Bryant.

(01:31:10):
I thought Eddie there were times where his emotion it
was a good thing most of the time, but there
were also times where I thought he got a little
too emotional on the floor and kind of not that
he was a detriment per se.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Before his emotions get the better of him.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yeah, I mean not even like in a getting a
technical foul kind of way, but just in a lack
of focus kind of way, if that makes sense. Yes,
So we have tickets to give away, by the way,
for MGK. This is going to be Saturday. That's this Saturday,
is it not? In a wait a minute, is that right?
June twentieth, next year? It's for next year. Yeah, okay,

(01:31:53):
well that gives you plenty of time to plan.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
June twentieth at Ruop Music Center. He was just here,
I believe, was he not? He might have been.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Here when the State Favor was here because of his
album debuting and he was doing like an album signing
at a couple of different vinyl shops or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Now, let me ask you this, when did he have
an album? This is going to basically exhaust my level
of knowledge of MGK. Did he have an album, Eddie,
can you look up for me his albums and tell
me if and I'm going to guess the year. Also,
I'm going to say sometime around twenty eighteen or twenty

(01:32:34):
nineteen he had an album called Hotel Diablo. Am I
correcting that? Am I way off base?

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Let me look, I actually don't know much about.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
I'm going to be very impressed by myself. He had
a song called L Diablo L Diablo? Okay did he have?

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Said the album was named it was his fourth album
that he ever released.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
And what year was that album at? Twenty nineteen? Do
we have an applause button that we can play thank you?
I know that only because he came into the radio
station and there were a bunch of fans that showed
up and they baked him the most unbelievably impressive cake

(01:33:15):
I've ever seen, in the shape of a hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
I've got something better. We don't have applause, but we
do have this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Thank you the National Sports Festival. Baby. They made him
this cake. These fans literally just knew that he was
at the radio station, like on the air, and they
showed up in the parking lot with this cake that
they'd made for him, and it was the most beautiful,
unbelievable multi tiered, looked like a hotel in a cake.

(01:33:45):
And I felt so bad because they wanted so badly
for him to eat it, or for all of us
to like, you know, cut it up and eat it.
And of course that's when you have people that you've
never met before they're like, here, I made you something
to eat. There was a little bit of a hesitation there, right,
But we will give away tickets here coming up in

(01:34:07):
just a bit for it. But I would like to
know this. If you look over the NFL right now
and you look at the standings in the National Football League,
you know, it's kind of like we were talking about
in college football. In college football right now, you look
at the top ten and you're like, okay, I mean,
you know Texas, Texas is three and one now after

(01:34:31):
they're lost to Ohio State, but they literally have beaten
like Sam Houston State, Warren Central, and Ivy Tech. Okay,
how do you have no idea how good a three
in one they are in the NFL When you look
over the teams right now, we talked about it, of
the teams that are unbeaten Eddie, And this is what

(01:34:52):
I want to know from people. Okay, of the Unbeatens,
the Colts, the Bills, the charge Okay, the Niners, the Bucks,
and who's the last one I'm missing here? Eagles and
the Eagles. Of those teams, which one feels like? And

(01:35:13):
I guess you know here we're going to say the Colts.
You kind of have to take them out of it
because we've watched the Colts for every quarter. But the
one that is the most I think enigmatic at three
and oh are the one where you're just kind of
the least hesitant to immediately crown them as you're being
overly convinced, would be, in my opinion, probably Tampa Bay.

(01:35:38):
I mean, you know they just got a win where
they needed a field goal to defeat the Jets. Yeah,
I mean, how good are the Jets?

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
How bad are the all? Though? The Jets I think
can move the football. But the three and oh teams
that I think the Chargers are really good, and then
I think Buffalo's obviously really good, and Philly it goes
without saying, but if you had to go with the
three and zero team of which you are the most skeptical, Eddie,
you would go with which.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
I would probably still go with the Colts, or I
would go with the Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Okay, so you would go with Tampa also, yeah, I'll
see what Chris thinks at two, three, nine, ten seventy.
What's up? Chris?

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Hold on a whole lot? How you guys done?

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
All right? Chris? Have you called the show before?

Speaker 5 (01:36:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
You sound like a fun guy, Chris. Do you mind
if we play a little get to know your listener.
I've had a lot of success to this. Kids love
this segment that we do. You would you be willing
to participate?

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
Sure, why not?

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Okay, Chris, if you don't mind me asking how old
a fella are you?

Speaker 8 (01:36:38):
Almost sixty?

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Now that wasn't a trick question, Chris, just so you know, Okay,
almost sixty you said, right, So I'm gonna guess Chris,
that puts your high school class somewhere around eighty two
or eighty three? Am I right?

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
Eighty four?

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
Eighty four? Okay? And that was from what high school?

Speaker 5 (01:36:56):
But it would have been Hayworth and Kocomo.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Now como Hayworth High School?

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
You said, yes, sir, I was the last class out
of there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Next year, I was gonna say, did that consolidate in
the Kokomo or then there was also Cocoma Western? Correct?
Uh what Northwestern?

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
Yeah, Northwesterns were actually my wife graduated. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Okay, there you go. And Chris, if you don't mind
me asking what line of work are you in now?

Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
Manufacturing?

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
What do you manufacture?

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
Mostly metals, sheet metal type stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
I thought for a second you were gonna say meth
and then I was going to be concerned.

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
You know, well, if it's profitable, we might try to say.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Okay. Well, depending depending what part of in the area
are Chris, it might be okay. Chris, So you heard
my question here in terms of the NFL. How big
a Colts fan are you or who is your team?

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
Well, you know, over the past five or so years,
the Colt's been kind of tough to like. But here
lately I'm kind of gonna jump on the band wagon again,
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Okay, do you believe I did see an interesting article,
by the way, Chris that said, so far this year,
the Colts have lost nearly one point five million dollars
in lack of ticket sales through the home games that
they've had in terms of open seats that have been
up there. Do you think that's because people are slow
to get on board? Do you think people are now
sold on it? Where do you stand here in terms

(01:38:23):
of you said you might get back on the bandwagon.
Where do you stand on it? How much more do
we need to do to convince you?

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
Well, of course, win more games.

Speaker 8 (01:38:30):
I would do it, But I think part of it
is like nobody likes uncertainty. You know, when they start
out the season what they don't even know who the
heck the quarterback is going to be and don't even
announce that until like.

Speaker 5 (01:38:41):
What a few weeks before the season starts. That's kind
of tough, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Fair Chris? By the way, is this, as you said,
it's first time you've listened to this program? Have you
listened or that you've called in the program? Have you
listened to it for a while? You know, on and
off over the years, more often on right.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
Mostly when I'm in the car and I have a time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
All right, Well, that makes two of us, all right, Chris,
I appreciate the call. Last question. Then, by the way,
is it I want to know this of the three?
And oh so the culture three and oh Buffalo, Tampa,
the Chargers, Philadelphia, San Francisco, the others. Which one are
you aside from the Colts, which one are you still

(01:39:24):
the most? You need more time to know how good
they are?

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
Oh, boy, pro Way Tampa.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
Yeah, I think that's Chris. I appreciate it. That's the
overwhelming sentiment for certain would be Tampa, that Chris want
the tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Yeah, he went through gets to your listeners. So yeah,
he's good.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
So Chris has won the tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Yeah, the one pair. We have another one to give
away we're gonna give. We're gonna we're gonna do the other.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Color we have between now and June to give them
a right. I mean that surprised me when I saw
that we're giving the tickets away. Then I'll go it's
in June. Yeah, I mean you probably should. The way
this show's going, you might as well call in now
and get in secure your spot.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Yes, I want to get into that what I just
talked about, By the way, with the Colts. The article
I saw yesterday that was sent to me, and I
was surprised by this because the do you remember a

(01:40:30):
couple of years ago, Eddie, the word was that there
was a season ticket You know, for years I always
heard about the season ticket waiting list. Now I have
been very, very skeptical of this because and several people
have pointed out to me to tell me that, in fact,
I was wrong on this. But and I'm going back

(01:40:52):
a couple of years ago, but a couple of years
ago when it was I can't remember the timing or situation,
but there was a NonStop discussion about the Colts and
a waiting list for season tickets. And I remember at
that time saying, who is on the waiting list? I

(01:41:14):
know Green Bay has a waiting list for season tickets.
I had never I never met anybody. I know a
lot of people with Colts season tickets. I never met
anybody that was like, yeah, I'm on a waiting list
for season tickets. It just seemed like they were kind
of always available if you wanted them. But that was
several years ago. But this article that was sent to

(01:41:34):
me yesterday is talking about NFL teams and how much
they are estimated to have lost so far this season. Okay,
the Tennessee Titans are predicted to have lost one point
nine million dollars per game from empty seats at Nissan

(01:41:57):
Stadium with an average home attendance of fifty seven, seven
hundred and fifteen across the twenty five seasons so far.
That means there are around eleven thousand, four hundred empty
seats per game. Okay, so that would come out to
I don't know how many home games they've had. I
would assume too to that number one point nine. With

(01:42:19):
an average ticket price of one hundred and sixty seven dollars,
those empty seats could have cost the Titans. And then
it has a figure three million, eight hundred and sixteen,
nine hundred and fifty two dollars over there. Yes, in fact,
two home games so far. Now, the teams with the
fewest empty seats so far in their home games the

(01:42:40):
Dallas Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles, and the Washington Commanders. Washington
a little surprising because even though they have a loyal
fan base, obviously they've got more competition Baltimore's in the
same area. A lot of people that live in the
DC area are not native to Washington, et cetera. Dallas.

(01:43:00):
It kind of makes sense because people want to go
just to go to Jerry's World. In Philly die hard
fans and in addition to that really good team. Okay,
now this is surprising to me. The team with the
second highest loss is the Green Bay Packers, with an
estimated one million, seven hundred and forty five, nine hundred

(01:43:24):
and eighty six dollars lost per game. I have a
hard time believing that. But it says lambeau Field has
a seedy capacity of eighty one thy, four hundred and
forty one, yet the team is attracting seventy seven thousand,
two hundred and sixty four home fans this season. Now,
that's assuming that the seats that are empty were not

(01:43:47):
sold in Lambeau. I don't think that's the case unless
there are some seats that are not available for season ticket.
Other franchises that are estimated to be losing Minnesota, Jacksonville,
Tampa Bay, the Bears, and the Cardinals. It says the
Indianapolis Colts are next, with three thousand and thirteen seats

(01:44:10):
left vacant after sixty nine and eighty seven home fans
filled the sixty seven thousand available seats at Lucas Oil Stadium.
The estimated ticket costs for the empty seats one hundred
ninety piece. This again seems I think a little bit
off base, but I do think there were, especially in

(01:44:31):
that Denver game, there were a lot of empty seats. Admittedly, Now,
I will give benefit of the doubt here to the
fans of Indianapolis, and I'll tell you why I grew
up here. I love Indy. I've been to the games.

(01:44:53):
I went to the Denver game. I was not at
the season opener against Miami because I got back a
little bit late, but I was there in Denver for
the Denver game. In the preseason games, I was there
as well. But one of the factors that I think
you have to take into consideration, Eddie, and I give
the people of Indianapolis and the Colts both benefit of

(01:45:16):
that doubt here. I don't think it's a knock on
the Colts. I don't think now what Chris was saying
is probably correct in the fact that there were people
that were hesitant or skeptical going into the year just
because of the quarterbacking situation, the uncertainty thereof. But then, why, Jake,
why they're three and oh or they were two and

(01:45:37):
oho going into well, I guess actually they were just
one to oh when they're going into the Denver game,
you know, Now, the next time that they're back home,
when they are playing on the fifth of August or
the fifth of October against the Raiders, I would assume
it's going to be absolutely packed to the gills, especially
if they beat the Rams. But I do understand this factor,
and I think that people that don't live in Indianapolis,

(01:45:59):
or don't live in Minneapolis, or don't live in Detroit,
I think they lose sight of this. We live in
climates where it gets cold, and it gets ugly, and
it gets nasty, and once it gets that way, there's
no turning back for several months. I totally understand. Even

(01:46:23):
if you are a season ticket holder for the Colts,
I totally understand how there are people that would say
to themselves, look, I even have season tickets. But in
late September and early October, when I look out on
a Sunday and it is seventy two degrees, not a
cloud in the sky, absolutely gorgeous, and the roof is closed,

(01:46:50):
I totally now. I understand why the Colts close the roof,
even though I get into my whole soapbox about the
unnecessary expense of a retractable roof stadium. But when the
weather is like that outside. I totally understand why people
are saying to themselves, we may not get another one
of these days. I'm gonna enjoy it while I can.
I'm gonna go and walk the monon, or I'm gonna

(01:47:13):
go and work in the yard and listen to the game,
or watch the game on television, and come in and
out and with the windows open and enjoy the weather
before it turns all of a sudden into living in
a Baltic region.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
For four months, it was also a four to twenty
five kick. So like, you're you know, probably to get you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
Home until eight. True, you're from southern Indiana. I mean,
let's say you're from you know, you'd usually drive in
from I mean, look at Mo from Ohio drives two
and a half hours, right. I mean that has to
be a factor as well on the later starts, for sure.
But I just think that you get into we are
getting into that time of year where you just don't

(01:47:52):
know when you get that last hurrah, that last push
a beautiful weather. I think there are people that are like,
I don't know, man, by the time I get up
think about this. Let's say it's a one o'clock kick Eddie. Okay,
and let's say you live in we'll just say Zionsville.

(01:48:12):
So you get down. Most people, if there's a one
o'clock kick, want to get in the vicinity of downtown
around what time?

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Probably noon?

Speaker 6 (01:48:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
What if you tailgate, Uh, you're like at eleven am.
So let's say, I mean that's probably the latest ten
ten thirty. Okay, So let's say we'll say eleven. And
at that case, you're leaving the house around what maybe
ten ten to fifteen the time you park everything else.
You're living in zions On probably ten o'clock. Yeah, okay,
game starts at one o'clock. What time dos the game end?

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Four?

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
That's probably that's a fast game, right, three hours? Yeah,
about the time. So then by the time you get
back to your car, you get in the car, you
drive back, so you're getting home around what four forty five,
five o'clock, five thirty probably? Okay, So now you're looking
at a seven and a half hour day, right, And

(01:49:04):
so I do get and there's nothing wrong with that.
I mean, it's all fun. It's awesome. I mean, I
don't get me wrong, I'm not papooing any of it.
But I do understand, especially if you have season tickets
and there are say eight of them a year, why
there might be one or two of them where you
I mean, obviously in that case, in a best case scenario,
you're giving the tickets to somebody that wants to go.

(01:49:27):
But I totally understand or respect why there may be
some people that are like, you know what, we tried
to give the tickets away and we couldn't find anybody
to go whatever. But it was just a gorgeous day.
We wanted to go to the pumpkin pay you know whatever? Right,
Simon says Simon, Do you have season tickets?

Speaker 9 (01:49:44):
Yes, sir, I do since since ninety six. Okay, I've
had go ahead, I've had the same two tickets since
ninety six.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
So you heard what I was talking about, your thoughts
or what compelled you to call in about it.

Speaker 9 (01:49:57):
So I have tried to add take two tickets to
my account for.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
The last So I have a sun that just that's just.

Speaker 9 (01:50:06):
Now super interested that he's driving you can go to
the game.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
Let's take a buddy. So I want to add two tickets.

Speaker 9 (01:50:12):
There are tickets around my section because you know, every
year you get the opportunity to upgrade. There are tickets
that I can change to around my section, and I
really don't want to leave the section i'm in, but
but they're like, oh, well, we don't see there are
no season tickets left. I know there are seats available, right,

(01:50:33):
So my take is, you know, in the section I'm in,
I'm in the lower level, and they're they're pretty sought after,
like I feel like. And I've heard the word dynamic
price or dynamic dynamic ticket pricing. I've heard that term
used a lot where the Colts themselves actually compete in

(01:50:54):
the secondary market with tickets that and they sell them
for more money than what they're actually the face value
of what a season ticket holder can sell them for. Now,
I don't have I mean, I've just heard this on
the internet, right, and we all know everything on the
internet's true.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
That's right.

Speaker 9 (01:51:10):
There's something to that to that I believe because I
have the ability to change seats in that section, even
though there's a waiting list.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
It's it's just it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 9 (01:51:20):
And it seems very hold like and being very untransparent
with anything that's going on.

Speaker 6 (01:51:25):
It just I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:51:27):
Now, I will say this as a season ticket holders
since ninety six, even when they're horrible. I have my
son and I love going to the games, and we
would walk out of there obviously picked off more times
than not, but still we have a We love the
in game entertainment, even if it is Bachmann turning over
drive playing everything down.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
You remember that, by the way.

Speaker 9 (01:51:49):
Absolutely, I mean, you know, but at the end of
the day, it just it makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
Okay, Simon. Let me let me ask you a couple
of questions here. Okay, okay, and I certainly understand if
you don't want to answer this first part. It's not
meant to. I mean, it's going to sound like a
rude question. You feel free to decline. Okay, you have
two seats that are in the lower level. Do you
mind me asking roughly what that costs you for a
year as a season ticket holder.

Speaker 9 (01:52:16):
Well, I will tell you, Jake, that I am in
the I don't mind. My tickets I believe are the
absolute best value in the stadium. I am rote twelve
Dead Center en zone, and I say one hundred and
twenty eight dollars per ticket, So twelve hundred and eighty
dollars per year.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
Per ticket.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Gotcha. Okay, so you're looking at twenty six hundred bucks
basically for the year, right, yep, for two seats?

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Okay, that's correct. You live on what side of town?
Or you live where?

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
West side?

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Okay? So for a one o'clock kick? Do you tailgate
in that kind of thing? Are you pretty much park in?
You know, got your same parking spot, go in, go
to the game, head home.

Speaker 9 (01:52:56):
We have a we have a cadence. We do the
same thing every every week. We go to a restaurant
prior to the game. We do drive in, ay fifty
dollars to park, go, spend another seventy five at lunch
or for lunch, whatever dinner or whatever snacks before the game.

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
And listen.

Speaker 9 (01:53:14):
Not complaining at all. I mean, it's a fabulous way
to spend ten Sundays a year with my sixteen year
old son.

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Very cool. And are there ever? I guess the last
question I would have is this, Are there ever games
where you just say to yourself, you know what, I'm
gonna sit this one out, or the weather is perfect
outside or whatever else. In other words, when you look
at that number of empty seats that are there, I'm
just trying to find the plausible explanation as to why
some people may be foregoing a game.

Speaker 9 (01:53:47):
Man, I will say this, I typically go every time
unless I have less we have a conflict. Right now
that my son.

Speaker 5 (01:53:55):
Is driving.

Speaker 9 (01:53:58):
The Denver game, I just said, hey, look, i'm gonna
stay home with your mom and we're gonna I'm gonna
watch TV and spend a day with her. You can
take a friend. But but they win, right So, but
they're in lies. Why I want to add because I
still want to go. I still want to go to
the game, but I just can't. But I also understand
that he wants to take buddies.

Speaker 5 (01:54:16):
Or friends or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Right So.

Speaker 9 (01:54:19):
Yeah, so so not unless we have a conflict. You know,
it's it's a it's a point. It's those are ten
you know, lesson we have eleven days that my wife
pretty much knows are off off.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Okay, here's my other thing, simon, real quick. If there
is a game that you cannot this one I'm fascinated by.
If there's a game that you cannot attend or for
whatever reason, you know, your son's graduate high school, whatever. Okay,
if you want to resell your tickets, do you just
surrender them back to the Colts and they put them
on the secondary market. Do you personally put them on stubbub?

(01:54:52):
How does that work?

Speaker 5 (01:54:55):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
I think I have enough?

Speaker 5 (01:54:57):
I have enough? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
Are you?

Speaker 9 (01:55:00):
We just sell them for face value to a quaintance.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
Okay, but but okay, bad examples.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
What I'm getting at is this, It is my It
is my contention Simon that the one area where NFL
franchises that I'm not singling out or picking on the Colts,
but we are now seeing so many visiting fans in stadiums,
and people get upset about that. But it's my belief
that the teams themselves have a business alliance with secondary
markets that allow for the season ticket holder totally anonymously

(01:55:29):
to click one button that get sold to somebody totally anonymously,
and you have no idea whether that's a Raiders fan,
Broncos fan, Patriots fan, whatever, because that's just the nature
of doing the business right.

Speaker 9 (01:55:40):
Well, and listen, I did that. I will say that
I did that one time. You remember the infamous Chuck
Pagano dumbest football play against the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Yeah, it's the best playing football history, yes, but yes,
but my point being, my point being, did the Colts
facilitate for you to sell on the secondary market?

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
Yes? They did?

Speaker 9 (01:55:58):
Okay, and I paid for my entire season ticket.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
Totally understand ticket, Simon. I totally get. I appreciate the call.
I totally get it. And that's my point though, simply
is this, and I appreciate it, Simon. I totally get
why franchises, and I'm not picking on the Colts. I
get why every franchise gets frustrated with visiting fans in
their building. But I also believe that that frustration is
muted and they lose their leg to stand on in

(01:56:25):
that when they have a website linked connection to a
secondary market that allows you to sell your ticket anonymously
and who knows who it is that's buying it, right,
I mean, that's that's the nature of all of it,
from both sides. Scott Agnes joins US Fever profile and
feat or preview. Excuse me next, a couple of news

(01:56:48):
items before we get to Scott Agnes here. First off,
Mike Gundy, longtime Oklahoma state head football coach, today relieved
of his duties with the Cowboys at the age of fifty.
He has eight ten wins seasons at Oklahoma State, but
they've gotten off to a rough start, so Mike Gundy
has been fired at Oklahoma State. Also from a Colts standpoint,

(01:57:10):
Alec Pierce Kennymore no update on their status for the
Colts game coming up on Sunday in Los Angeles. Thomas Bryant,
the former IU and Pacer star, now a Cleveland Cavaliers,
signing a one year deal, And sad news in the NFL.
Former running back Rudy Johnson of the Cincinnati Bengals the
franchise announced passing away today at the age of forty five.

(01:57:34):
It is believed to have been self inflicted. He had battled,
apparently with mental illness and possibly CTE issues of late
but Rudy Johnson Reggie Wayne among those sending out their
condolences on social media for the passing of a guy
that had a really good year in year four, three
and four during his time as a running back out

(01:57:54):
of Auburn with the Cincinnati Bengals and the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
Jake Jackson Dart will be starting moving forward, at least
for the time being for the New York Giants. Russell
Wilson to the bench and had some New York Liberty
News earlier today as well. They will not be retaining
their head coach, Sandy Brondello after the season that ended
against the Fenix Mercury in the opening round of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
Joining us now on the guest line, he is I
believe out in Las Vegas. From Fieldhouse file Scott Agnes
joining us tonight. It is the fever in Las Vegas.
It is a nine to thirty tip. You'll hear Eddie
with the pregame at nine fifteen. Scott, let's begin with this.
I know that the balloting says otherwise, but I think

(01:58:41):
now it has been cemented, at least in the minds
around here. Kelsey Mitchell is the most valuable player in
the WNBA this year. Is she not?

Speaker 6 (01:58:49):
It sure seems like it, But it all goes back
to that old ad is who's most valuable versus who
had the best season?

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
Right? I guess right?

Speaker 6 (01:58:55):
Like we talk about that every awards season. But to me,
if anything, I would have said in a FISA Collier,
if I had a vote, I would have given it
to her, given the fact that she had her best
career year. Minnesota was the best team. But if you
take it literally for its meaning most valuable. The Fever
are nowhere close to where they are right now, still
playing with dal Kelsey Mitchell.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
Yeah, the the way that she Kelsey Mitchell has been
able to score in different areas, and you know whether
it be I mean, she's obviously very aggressive and very
quick at getting to the basket. She can shoot from
the outside. One of the things that I'm curious about
Scott and we were talking about this earlier, and it's
hard to bring it up because it sounds like a

(01:59:40):
like a lazy narrative and b like it's an indicting
narrative on Caitlin Clark, which is not intended to be
at all. But when you look at the way that
they have played in the last month, are the Fever
right now playing better as a team than they did
at any point this year?

Speaker 6 (02:00:01):
I think so, only because it felt like they never
the season never really got off its ground. Yes, if
you had so many issues and so I don't think
we ever saw the full potential or anything close to that.
I just I go back to the first week of
training camp where Alan and Demers don't just both had
injuries and we're out so right away you're dealing with that.
But the remarkable thing is just how they've continued to

(02:00:24):
play at this high level. Like you keep thinking they're
due for that thirty point blowout where you're just like, well,
it wasn't their night, But these games have all been competitive.
They stayed in the fight that given all their limitations,
and I thought it was interesting. I was curious how
some of them have been holding up. So I even
asked Lexi Hole today just to shoot around which we
just wrapped up, and she was like, Yeah, my body

(02:00:45):
is really going through it. I'm having to do all
these extra measures, but still no excuse for keep going.
But I can't imagine a player like her or Mitchell
or Leah Boston. They've played in every game the physicality
to deal with. And I give a Leah Boston also
a lot of credit. I think she's played with a
lot more of an edge and a feistiness that has
carried her to a better performance here in this postseason

(02:01:05):
as well.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
Scott. When you look at the injuries the Fever have
had and the number of roster combinations they've had to use,
and Stephanie White having to you know, at sometimes probably
have name tags for everybody during practice. Have they reinvented
the style that they wanted to play or has it

(02:01:29):
been Look, this is who we are and this is
how we're going to play. It's just the faces are
going to have to be different.

Speaker 6 (02:01:36):
Yeah, they've made some small tweaks on the fringes, and
I think especially early on a month ago, when they
were bringing in, you know, three hardship players in a
matter of a week, they really had to simplify and
even not have too much of an offense when many
of them are out there. But I think that has
changed a ton going into this postseason. They had four

(02:01:57):
days between games entering the playoffs, and so that was
the time finally where coach White and her staff had
time to add some new plays. And the main thing
she's stressed was to become more unpredictable, because she felt
like they were very very predictable leading up to that
given what they had to do. And by the way,
I want to go back to Kelsey and we talk
about her offense. I think the thing that's shine through

(02:02:19):
too is the level in which she elevated her defensive
play and taking on some of the best offensive players
on the other side this season as well. And then
I'd even add in a third thing to what's made
her season so spectacular, Jake, And that's while she's quiet
by nature, kind of like a Pascal Siakam, she has
emerged and become a vocal leader and willing to speak

(02:02:41):
up at various times, more to the point where she's
certainly one of the most valuable players in the league
with all that she does on both ends of the
floor for this group.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
And by the way, how good has honesty Simms been
as well, especially here in the postseason? I think, right, yeah,
I even.

Speaker 6 (02:02:56):
Asked Stephanie White about that today and I'm like, how
much of it is just fit an opportunity? Because we
talk about that with these pros, right, how many times
do you see some elite level college player and then
they just don't pan out or maybe even take the
Colts quarterback, like it just doesn't pan out in the
first stop or Daniel Jones, and you need that second
opportunity to figure it out. And honestly, Simms is a

(02:03:18):
veteran player in this league, but she was without a
job for a month and right away this team also
wouldn't be where they are without her, both with their scoring,
and I think so much of what she does is
it's attacking and getting the defense on their heels, and
then that opens things up for everyone else along the perimeter.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
Scott. When you look at Scott Agnes's our guest fieldhouse files,
you know, look Las Vegas and maybe one of the
things that benefited Indiana late in the year is some
of the players that they were having to go out
and acquire because they're veterans. They they've kind of been
through the rigger, right, and they've been through personal, you know,

(02:03:55):
journey to get to reinvent themselves and get this new
lease in terms of the minutes that they're getting, and
maybe that also catapults Indiata a little bit. But let's
talk about from Las Vegas's standpoint. You know, they didn't
just the Fever win game one. I mean they really
controlled to made a statement in game one. What adjustments

(02:04:15):
does Las Vegas do we anticipate seeing here in game two?

Speaker 6 (02:04:20):
Yeah, I think the one we know is going to
just happen naturally is we all expect Asia Wilson to
do what she does, being one of the best players
in the league, right, So everything else, First of all,
to me, it starts with them getting Indiana slowed down
and fast break Fever really able to dictate tempo and
after especially early on, where we saw the Aces miss
so many bunnies around the hoop and the Fever race

(02:04:41):
down the floor, and that's their style, their number one
and fast break points. They love to play fast. So
I think the Aces need to slow them down and
really be able to then on the other end, not
just be so dependent on Asia, because that's what we
saw during the regular season when these teams two met.
Asia was solid, but the rest of the team were

(02:05:03):
limited in what they contributed. So that and then on
top of that, I would add in, can you keep
Kelsey Mitchell to say twenty five points? Which is impressive
nonetheless because I you know, for her to go off
for thirty four and for the rest of the Fever
players to contribute the ways in which they did. I
thought them limiting the Leah Boston was a success, but
she was so impactful in other ways. But to me,

(02:05:26):
it starts with scoring at a higher clip than their
forty percent and then slowing Indiana down and making them
work in the half court.

Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
Much more often.

Speaker 6 (02:05:34):
It so resembles the Pacers, right all this conversation, the
similarities and overlaps are remarkable to meet.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
Jay No, I would agree with that. And also, you
know it all coming together late right where then you
look at it and you go, man, how do we
not see this all year long coming like once they
had solidarity?

Speaker 3 (02:05:51):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
From the Las Vegas standpoint, I thought Asia Wilson to
your point, I mean, dynamic player, dynamic score, did not
score the ball well at least in terms of offensive
efficiency in game one, but that kind of led to
a balance elsewhere. I thought that they got did the
aces you know from Evans for example, Jackie Young, you know,

(02:06:12):
can score the basketball, but did it almost even though
things were balanced out for Las Vegas? Is it better
served for Indiana if they're less spreading the wealth so
to speak? And you almost want to just hone in
on Asia Wilson. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (02:06:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:06:29):
I was having that exact conversation this morning. It's like,
are you good with her going for thirty five and
no other player with like more than eight points?

Speaker 3 (02:06:37):
And I think.

Speaker 6 (02:06:38):
Part of you are, absolutely because she's so dangerous also
in distributing the ball. But if it's just her going
and Aliyah who's also from played at South Carolina, so
there's a lot of familiarity between those two players who
were really battling it out. To me, that's the most
fascinating matchup of this series. But yeah, I think there's
a lot of value in that quite frankly, and the player. Also,

(02:06:59):
they needed Chelsea Gray, who is well regarded as maybe
the best guard, point guard, best passing guard in the
league for the last several years. And in that back
court of Gray and Young for ass to have success,
I think needs to come up big time.

Speaker 2 (02:07:12):
Scott, You've been around this team for most of the season,
whether it's practice, shooter, ond or whatever. I don't want
to talk about her as the coach. I want to
talk about her as the person I know. Natalie Nicassi
won the Coach of the Year, even though Stephanie White
probably should have done it for just the x's and
o's and just what all she had to do to
put this team together so off the court as a person,
What did Stephanie White do to make this team so

(02:07:32):
collective and so together? Because I don't think he gets
talked about enough of the job that she's done of
just bringing this group together.

Speaker 6 (02:07:39):
No that's a good point. I think the reality is
in terms of like the voters and there's seventy two
is unless you're even those of us that are there
every day, we truly don't know all those little things
in the locker room and that they've gone through the hardshifts,
even the fact that Stephanie White's mother in law passed
away and that's why she had to miss a couple
of games. In turn, that actually brought her in kel

(02:08:00):
See Mitchell closer because Mitchell lost her father last year
and Kelsey was talking about this after last game, as
they're bonded by that shared experience and also their love
of basketball and things like that. To me, I think
Stephanie probably should have finished third and the Coach of
the Year voting, just given all she's been through. But
I think number one, Steph has empowered each player to

(02:08:22):
be the best versions of themselves. For example, you brought
up Honestly Simms earlier. When honestly stops driving and it's deferring,
Steph jumps on her for the Hey, look, we need
you to be exactly who you are because that's why
we brought you in. And Jake to your Jake's point earlier,
they specifically brought in veteran, playoff tested players because of

(02:08:42):
their inexperience and their shortcomings elsewhere. At least they wouldn't
have to figure out big game experience on the fly.
But I think the confidence that Stephanie instills and all
the players, I think the relatability. She's won championships, She's
played at a high level. She knows this franchise inside
and out from her previous time here as a player
and coach, and so I think she takes the time

(02:09:04):
to get to know these players on a personal basis.
I go back to last fall, about.

Speaker 3 (02:09:09):
A year ago.

Speaker 6 (02:09:10):
The primary goal was to re sign Kelsey Mitchell, and
it was not a done deal, it was not a given,
and she poured into her both starting from my personal standpoint,
even before the basketball standpoint, and I think that has
really resonated with these players, because when you feel that
connection beyond basketball, it only helps what you're doing on
the court when things get tough, when you go through adversity.

Speaker 1 (02:09:32):
Scott, there's been this. I don't even know where this
came about, but I started reading a couple months ago,
mostly on social media, which that's a dangerous enough place
as it is. But I start reading all these articles
about how like, oh man, like people in the entertainment
industry and in the hospitality industry in Las Vegas are
talking about how like nobody's going to Vegas and Vegas
is dying and whatever else. I have no idea if

(02:09:54):
that's true. It's been a while since I've been there,
like a year or so, fact or fiction, Like things
seem slower on Las Vegas Boulevard.

Speaker 6 (02:10:02):
I'd say fact for sure. I walked around the pool area,
about half of it was empty, now given it was
what Monday afternoon, but still here. I mean there's no
days or times of you know, people are here at
all times of the year. Usually there's it's bustling with conventions.
Maybe it's not a big convention season, but no, I
think that's definitely fact for sure, even though the airline

(02:10:24):
prices didn't reflect that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
Yeah, no, kidding, right, what's what's the temperature out there
right now? Not too bad?

Speaker 6 (02:10:30):
I think it's like eighty five or so. Okay, yeah, no,
once you kind of get into inside, you don't really
have an excuse to go outside.

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
So so basically, if you're walking around the pool and
there's not many people there, just more reason for you
to walk around on the thong. Is that what you're
getting at?

Speaker 6 (02:10:44):
No, I will not be doing that whatsoever. I just
wanted to get some natural sunlight after feeling like you're
stuff inside for a couple of days.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
Scotten his speedo just hanging around walking around the strip,
all right, Scott Tonight nine thirty it is the Aces
and the Fever nine to fifteen. Pregame on the show.
Appreciate it man, Scott Agnes joining us from Fieldhouse Files.
We come back. J and V is here. I believe actually, uh,
he's gonna have a former NFL quarterback that has had

(02:11:13):
his eyes on, Daniel Jones, joining him on the show.
We'll talk about that and more on the Crossover, brought
to you by Love Heating and Air Love Dash HVAC
dot Com. Next, John, what would you say JMV is here?
What would you say is the signature song of Pearl Jam?
I would say, Alive Breakdown. I think that's probably right, although, boy,

(02:11:35):
this one's way up there though, it's got to be one.
I mean, Jeremy's up there, Yeah, Jeremy's up there. I
would agree.

Speaker 7 (02:11:42):
I think do you remember the whole There was an
urban legend that Eddie Vedder came up with the lyrics
and the thoughts of the song Alive because he was
hanging off the space needle in Seattle. Did you ever
hear that story? But I think it was a story
that actually had its roots from when he was hanging
from the top of the stage. I think it was

(02:12:03):
at what's the Southern California and the Desert Coachella. I
think it was Coachella or something like that. He was
hanging from the stage because his microphone cord got snagged
and he climbed up there and got it and was
hanging from it.

Speaker 4 (02:12:17):
I think that's where that story I actually remember.

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
I know that you have a deep respect for Pearl Jam.
Were you a big Pearl Jam fan per se?

Speaker 7 (02:12:24):
Yeah? Yeah, I was probably. I was always more sound
Guard than Alison Chains than Pearl Jam.

Speaker 1 (02:12:31):
But I took a pilot you like Stone Tub pilots
I did.

Speaker 7 (02:12:34):
I like Wiland a great deal when they played If
you remember back a number of years ago and Wyland
was still with us when they played Carb Day, that
was one of the better Card Day performances of all
time in the Rain.

Speaker 4 (02:12:47):
As a matter of.

Speaker 1 (02:12:47):
Fact, they Yeah, they stone Tuble Pilots. I always I
liked them, you know, probably I liked them even more
than Pearl Jam. But I will say this when, and
I know you were there for it last year, when
I went to that Pearl Jam show, I was like, Okay,
I get it. I mean they were phenomenal.

Speaker 7 (02:13:04):
Line, they were well and stone Tiple Pilot's album Core
is one of the greatest of the nineteen nineties, one
of the greatest, and people would suggest not even that's
not their best, but I loved it that.

Speaker 4 (02:13:17):
That was just packed full of great music.

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
What do you have lined up on the big program today?
I know you said you talked to one guy that's
got a pretty good U.

Speaker 7 (02:13:24):
Boomers, Right, they will join us two six years of
watching Daniel Jones. You watched Daniel Jones last night Guys with.

Speaker 1 (02:13:32):
Peyton and Eli.

Speaker 7 (02:13:33):
Yeah, he looked about as excited as me try to
take an algebra test last night being a part of that.

Speaker 4 (02:13:39):
But who cares as well as he can play quarterback.

Speaker 1 (02:13:41):
That's the thing, Like he's not he doesn't exactly exude personality,
but he's getting the job done. Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 7 (02:13:47):
Too, because he grew up in Fairhope, Alabama, right, and
knew Philip Rivers really well.

Speaker 4 (02:13:52):
Is that kind of the.

Speaker 1 (02:13:53):
Story of Daniel Jones, that's right?

Speaker 7 (02:13:55):
And then Philip Rivers is this gregarious personality and yeah,
Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 (02:13:59):
Well and then obvious, so he's got the coaching connection
with the Mannings and you know, play with Eli and
you know all of it. Right, there are a lot
of there were a lot of things intertwining between them.

Speaker 7 (02:14:07):
Do you think Peyton and Eli that thing is as
good as it was when it first started?

Speaker 1 (02:14:11):
That is a great question. Do you think it's I
think it's probably still as good except for that, I
think now people have just it's become I think people
almost forget it.

Speaker 7 (02:14:21):
I think they leave a lot on the table. If like,
if Jeff Daniels would be it seems like sometimes he
doesn't really hear what's being said. I think he is
so good and would have been even better if it
were easier of a connection. It just seems like it's
kind of a little bit awkward sometimes. Athought Daniel Jones.
At least Daniel Jones had an actual camera, but Jeff

(02:14:42):
Daniels is going off his computer yeah, three times.

Speaker 1 (02:14:46):
Like there's a lot of times where it gets a
little bit off. But I love those guys.

Speaker 7 (02:14:50):
Those guys, I like listening to them talk, but sometimes
you also want to hear the play by play of
the game that's going on too.

Speaker 3 (02:14:56):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:14:56):
Their reactions are usually pretty good too, i'd agree. Yeah,
all right, John's up, Boomer assizes, and what time for
Boomer John?

Speaker 4 (02:15:02):
Five o'clock for Boomer, five o'clock.

Speaker 1 (02:15:04):
Hour for Boomer Assias. And we will be back with
you at noon tomorrow. I thank you for listening to
Querying Company.

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