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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Indeed a Friday, and let me tell you something, and absolutely,
I mean beautiful, beautiful Friday, gorgeous day. It's going to
be a perfect night for high school football. And I
think it's supposed to be a perfect weekend. When you

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go out and about today and you are enjoying the
perfectly unimpeded by humidity, crisp, thin feel of comfortable room
temperature air, and the golden hue of the sunshine, then
you know exactly what your Indianapolis colts are experiencing this weekend.

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Because last night went to dinner and the sun was
setting and I said, like, there's this golden hue over it.
And then I was like fifty two and ten months old,
fifty two years and ten months old before I realized
that that because I said, like, that looks like the California,
the gold of the California, Son, and then I realized,

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I think that's what happens when there's no humidity, and
that's why it looks that way. That's what it was
like last night. It's what it will be I think
for the majority of the weekend, and the colts will
be in in fact, the Golden State taking on the
rams of Los Angeles Sofi Stadium coming up on Sunday,
and there is a lot to unpack from that, but
there's a lot to unpack in general over the course

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of getting you set for the sports weekend, the fever
in action tonight that of course a critical Game three
taking on Las Vegas at Gambridge Fieldhouse. You have the Pacers,
believe it or not. We're already into the season now
of press conferences and media days and preparing for the

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upcoming season, and you can only imagine and your mind
starts to race to think about the mania. It would
be a if they had one and b if Tyre's
Halliburton does not get hurt and Miles but but you
know what those things that they didn't win, and Tyre's

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Halliburton got hurt and Miles Turner signed elsewhere, and that's
that's cool. I mean, it's not cool. Miles Turner's case.
I understand it. Tyre's Halliburton's case, I understand that as well.
I understand why he went out there and put it
all on the line. And now the Pacers. It is
odd because going into the season, you continue to think

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to yourself in the back of your mind, like man
they're right there, and then you're like, oh, that's right,
I forgot it's going to be. I still think a
competitive year and a fun year to watch, but there
is a little bit of a go back a few
spaces and see what will happen for you. But Chad B.
Cannon yesterday and talking to the local media had some
interesting things to say. We will get to that over

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the course of today as well, but let's begin with
the Colts and the NFL. I thought last night, if
you watched it, there were a couple of things taking
place in that game between the Seahawks and the Cardinals
that you know, two teams that obviously the Colts will
face this year, but they were indicative of and signs

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towards things with the Colts, and both teams gave example
of why if you are the Colts you continue to
push through. Push through is the wrong way, I guess
with one player push through, waight through. Like the growing
areas will begin with Seattle. Sam Donald. I think everybody

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knows the story of Sam Donald comes out of USC
has a lot of promise about him. Even though USC
has been and always will be one of the most
tradition rich programs in college football, it is not one
that has produced a lot of Wow, this guy really
panned out for US quarterbacks. But Sam Donald goes in

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early in his career a lot of expectation, never meets
the expectation, kind of becomes a journeyman, kind of becomes
forgotten about, becomes a little bit of a cast off,
and then last year is completely rejuvenated with the Minnesota Vikings,
and the Minnesota Vikings had that decision to make. Do

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we continue through with this and take another spin at
the Roulett wheel with Sam Donald? Or do we have
to go ahead and mortgage everything into the hands of
a young quarterback and put it in the hands of
what we'd believe to be the future the guy that

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we drafted initially anyway, and JJ McCarthy who got hurt.
Thus we had to play Sam Donald Sam Donald this
magical season. But do we know what the ceiling is
with Sam Darnald? And do we believe that there is
more to be captured by letting JJ McCarthy then take
over and Donald goes to Seattle. And yes, he is

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probably not the sole reason, or maybe not even the
majority reason why they are off to a decent start
at three and one. But I think Eddie you would agree.
Not that we are paying a lot of attention to
what goes on in the NFC West, but I think
a lot of people and I haven't looked actually specifically
at what their schedule is, but I think a lot

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of people probably would look at the Seattle Seahawks and
say that that so far is a surprise through four games,
that they're three and one.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Wouldn't you look at it? Jacins? Not that Sam Government
has played great, he just hasn't played terrible. Like he
hasn't won them games, he hasn't lost them games. And
at the end of the day, that's kind of what
Daniel Jones has done here with the Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Corrects, which is why last night is a good example
of the blueprint of what Indianapolis may be where they
are because the Colts eventually, and I know it's just
three games in, but if the Colts are weighing out
the decision at the end of the year of do
we sign Daniel Jones and is this our long term guy?

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And maybe they have a better roster around them than
Seattle has right now, but the Colts are going to
have that question to ask assuming that they maintain the
level of play that they have been enjoying from Daniel
Jones this year and from their team in general. I'm
not saying that they go seventeen to zero, but assuming
that they are competitive throughout the course of the year

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and Daniel Jones continues to play well, then in that capacity,
do you then at the end of the year, Very
similar to Minnesota from a year ago, do you say, Okay,
we have a young player that we believe is potentially
our future. Do we hand it back over to them

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and hope that we have built up enough around the
quarterbacking position that that's going to be okay, or do
we stick with what is working for us? And in
the case of the Vikings, they took the decision that
it was the roster around Sam Donald perhaps that was
giving them success, and therefore they were comfortable handing it

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over to JJ McCarthy and letting it grow with him.
I know with the Colts it's a little different because
you've already seen a lot of body of work from
Anthony Richardson. But when you see Sam Donald playing the
way he is right now, does Minnesota then say, you
know what, it wasn't a Fluke he did. Maybe it
took him longer as an NFL quarterback, but the stability
he found here in Minnesota seemingly he is carrying with

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him to Seattle. Because to the point that Eddie just made,
maybe he's just a game manager, but he is still
making plays in Seattle. Does that factor into what? And
I do think that the Colts regardless, so maybe a
little bit of a point. I think the Colts have
already made their decision that next year, if they had
to pick one of these two guys, I think Daniel Jones,

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assuming that they can come to an agreement with him,
does come back, and I think he's going to be
their quarterback for a couple of years. I don't think
that they are in the market, in the business have
the interest level of starting it over and saying, you
know what, we got to go find our next franchise quarterback.
I think they look at it and they say, no,
let's strengthen the areas around Daniel Jones and take our
chance for you know, three to four years with him.

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But as for Daniel Jones, and then the other side
of it, by the way, is if you look at
Marvin Harrison, Junior, Tons of promise and far more hope,
expectation and reason to believe that Marvin Harrison Junior was
going to be an elite level receiver than say Ady

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Mitchell or even Alec Pierce. But nonetheless a guy that
has been very inconsistent, a guy that there was a
lot of praise and expectation about what he was going
to do. Part of that's based on his name, part
of it's based on the fact that when he was
at Ohio State he was a walking first down but
it has not taken off in Arizona. You see flashes

(09:15):
of it, but it's not been consistent. And last night
was a case where through three quarters you're saying, man, like,
what in the world is going on with him? And
then boom, he finally gets it on track. In the
fourth quarter he has a great touchdown catch, He kind
of puts it together and it just goes to show you.
I do think that the white and I'm not saying
that that quarter means that now all of a sudden

(09:36):
he's on track and he's running. But I do think
that wide receiver is a position that takes longer for
guys to get acclimated than probably any other in the NFL,
not being quarterback. I think the timing, the route running.
I think the biggest thing that's hard for receivers is
when you play in college, you automatically, assuming you are

(10:00):
an NFL caliber receiver. When you play in college, you
are so used to separation and turning around and having
the ball there, and when you play in the NFL,
you don't really get separation. So when you turn around,
you've got to anticipate the ball that's going to be
there right then there is no hesitation because you don't

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get yourself a gap window. There are windows in college.
There are not windows in the NFL. And if you're
a guy that's been used to being able to kind
of just wait for a second or know that even
when you make the catch, you got time to make
a move or whatever else, that does not happen in
the NFL, and I think that's an acclamation period that
receivers have to get used to. But last night, I

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thought that game, as we are analyzing where the Colts
are right now, was indicative of two of the storylines
for the Colts that will be fascinating to watch over
the course of this year. One of them being is
Daniel Jones a keep the seat warm kind of guy,
and if they think that's what he is, does say

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the success of Sam Darnold translating to another franchise give
Indianapolis reason to believe. Okay, what we're seeing in Jones
here probably does continue and carry on, so we may
as well keep it here and resign him. And then
the receiver situation that I talked about as you were
waiting for some of his weapons to develop, notably aighty Mitchell,

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and we're starting to see it now with Alec Pierce
that we didn't see earlier in the tenure. There are
several ways to communicate with this program, the first of which,
of course, is to always call in at two nine
ten seventy. We got a loaded show today. We have
plenty to talk about. But the telephone number is two
three nine one zero seven zero. Additionally, we have the

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text line where you can text the show at two
three nine ten seventy. Now, just so everybody knows when
you there are two ways to text. And I say
that my personal cell because I've given it out so
many times. I think a lot of people have it
in their phone. When you text the show, that is
available and can be seen by all of us that
are on the air. So I can look right now

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and see who texted the morning show. I can see
who texted yesterday in the afternoon, et cetera. But it
does not there is no it is not a public text.
So in other words, other people that are texting the
show are not seeing it. There is not a site
where other people can see that. So if that's something
I've concerned, you totally understand. And then obviously at my

(12:28):
number as well, which is five to three ninety two
eighty eight now, Eddie. Sometimes when I give up my
cell phone number and again that's a three one seven
area code, and then five to three ninety two eighty eight.
Occasionally I do it just as a listener gauge because
I'm curious if anybody's I think. I don't think my
mom's listening today. I think she's tied up right. We
know that we have twenty six female listeners. Some question

(12:50):
if that numbers as high as twenty nine. I think
it's more around twenty six. But I like to know
sometimes just in general, I get insecure and I just
want to know if people are listening at all.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I'm glad you find you make you have insecurities, Jake.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
So if you're listening right now, and you on either
of those two ways, then you can simply send me
a message like for example, Justin and Fisher's that just said,
can Jake see this? Yes, Justin, I can thank you
much appreciate it. But if you're listening right now on
one of those two ways, send me a text that
just says, yes, you're listening, because otherwise Eddie might Eddie
and I might just head down to Starbucks. Did you

(13:22):
see that Starbucks? Apparently they're closing a bunch of stores.
What I just read this. Starbucks announced today they're closing
like multiple hundred stores. Indiana does not appear yet to
be on the list.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Oka good, I have nothing to worry about.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Then, well, you get your Java House. I'll get you
some Java House just in case, right. I know that's
why I don't have to worry about it. I know
you got the Peel Import pods, right, I'm gonna get
you as addicted as I am to the peel and
port from Java House, and then we're going to be
good to go. Pacers. Yesterday, some things were said I
thought interesting from Chad Buchanan. Talking about the direction of

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the Pacers, and one of the things that he touched
on is the fact that when you look at the
way the Pacers have played, you look at the style
they played, and I've always talked about the way their
offense ran, Eddie I thought was so Miles Turner was

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such an important part of that. And the bad analogy
that I use for this is, oh, it's the bad analogy.
Shot finish, thank you. We always appreciate that Miles Turner
is like a sprinkler in their offense. And if you

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think about a sprinkler that is in the backyard and
just oscillates around, spreading out water everywhere, right Miles Turner.
The way that they ran their offense was he would
come up, he would flash to the high post, they
would get him the ball and then you just had
kind of this rotation see alchemy down would be down
the block. But Nie Smith in the corner topping was

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very good at this. You know, it goes without saying Halliburton, Nimhard.
They would kind of rotate through up towards the top,
and Miles Turner was the starter of this. And then
but they would literally like hot potato it and just
facilitate the ball around in circular motion until finally it
goes into one that has themselves an open spot and

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an open look. And Turner was such an important part
of that aspect of their offense, combined with the fact
that Halliburton could play at pace and dictate pace, and
Tyre's Halliburton and his ability and nim Hart can do
this as well. But if you look at each and
every player on that roster that was so important to
Indiana in their run to the finals, Miles Turner, Tyre's Halliburton,

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Obi Toppin, Pascal Siakam, Aaron Nee Smith, Ben Shephard. The
thing about all of them, those guys is that all
of them have potential. I'm not saying reliance on, but
they all have potential in spurt to play at a
faster pace than the person in which is their opposition.

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And so that allowed Indiana to just play this like
kind of frantic pace. When you take now Turner out
of that and you now have your offensive focus be
less Haliburton, Turner and more Siakam. Even though Siakam was
an incredibly important part of what they were doing. When
Siakam would get the basketball, oftentimes that sprink that sprinkler.

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It then became more of just the oscillating back and
forth spray sprinkler. When Siakam would get the ball, things would,
understandably things would slow down because Siakam can do isolation
stuff on the low block. I think you're going to
see this year more of that, where it's going to
be less like the frantic quick nature of it and

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more slow things down. And part of that is because
of the fact that Turner and Haliburton are not there.
And part of that is because of the fact that
the players that you now need to see more of
as they take advantage this year. And we'll hear from
Chad bu Cannon later in the program and see if
he adds to this. But when you look at the

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players that this year, I think they want to develop
and really see what they have. It's Mathern and Jarris Walker.
And Matherin and jars Walker are the two guys if
you were to make a list of every player on
the Pacer roster, they are the two players that you
would say, while other players you'd say, the thing that
makes them unique is there they can play pace beyond

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their opposition and in the case of Walker and Matherin.
The thing that makes them unique is they can play
physicality above their opposition. Matherin is essentially a three, but
he's a three that likes to bulldog use strength, lower
body strength, get down, get on the block, get to

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the free throw line. He does that more than most
players that play his position. Walker is a three or
a four, and when he's on the block and backing
people down, if he has somebody that is essentially a
three guarding him, he is more physical than that. But
in order to facilitate for those two guys and take
advantage of what makes them unique, it means that you

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kind of have to slow things down in terms of
the style you're playing. So the question becomes, do those
two become the rare anomaly and an offense that is
still running fast, or do they slow down that offense
without Haliburton and Turner there in Turner obviously not coming
back and say okay, we are going to for the
most part prioritize and become a different look offensively this year, Chad,

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you can't have touched on that a little bit. We'll
get to that later in the show as well. Mention
the fever in action tonight. This is Eddie. You don't
say necessarily must win because they have home court advantage
and they need two wins. Even if they lose, obviously,
they still get another chance to keep it alive and
head it back to Vegas. Having said that, it feels

(19:17):
to me must win, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Jake, because Vegas is a team that you're more than
likely not going to beat two times in a row.
And if you are, it's going to happen tonight and
then it will happen on Sunday afternoon. It's not gonna
happen with Game four here and then Game five in
Las Vegas, just because of the home court aspect. The

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splits of Indiana in terms of three point shooting at
home versus the road. They are one of the best
teams in the league at home when it comes to
three point shooting. They're one of the worst teams in
the WNBA on the road when it comes to three
point shooting. Now, saying that the Fever have done a
great job so far through two games at limiting the
amount of threes that laws F Vegas has been making.
They've made five in each of the first two games.

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That is something that Indiana will have to continue to
do in order to stay in the series and maybe
pull off the upset, because Stephanie White has said countless
times this postseason, they just don't have the shooters to
be able to match and get into these shootouts where
you're matching three for three. They have to find ways
to match the scoring, and most of that's going to
be limiting threes and limiting free throws. And that was

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not the case in Game number two. Vegas got to
the line more. They outscored them in the paint by
wide margin, and they were able to just play a
lot better defensively, specifically with their guards in defending Kelsey
Mitchell and Odyssey Simms.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
You know, the the game tonight will be It's gonna
be a great night in central Indiana because you have
that game going on. Obviously, as I talked about, we're
going to be getting set for a big weekend in
college football and the Colts in LA and then high
school football as well. You know somebody that I talk
a lot of high school football just in terms of

(21:01):
like retroactively, and I've mentioned this before, the love that
I have for Friday night lights in Indiana. I think
it's very underrated. In terms of the passion for it.
Tonight is a perfect, perfect night to go and watch
high school football. The weather's going to be great. There's
rivalry games. When I was in high school, the world

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rose and set with Carmela and North Central. That was
the biggest rivalry. We lived for it. When I was
a freshman at North Central. As a matter of fact,
or excuse me, a senior. When I was a senior
in high school, and I was going down to visit
the University of Alabama on a college visit, and Brady Barr,
who was how about this for the way things used

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to be in the world. Brady Barr was a biology
teacher when I was in high school. He is now
with National Geographic Explorer. And Brady had a really good
friend who had gone to Alabama and he was going
down to an Alabama football game and I was a
student assistant for him. He was not my teacher, but
I was a student distant for him. And he was like, Hey,
I'm going down to the Alabama game. I know that
you are looking to go to school there. And my

(22:04):
parents said, well, why don't you go with Brady down
to the game. So I went with Brady Barr, who
was a teacher when I was a senior. I mean,
it was completely innocuous. But I don't know that that
would happen today. But on the drive down, we stopped
three times on the drive down on Friday night to
use payphones at rest areas to call and get updates
from Kevin Wright, who is now the head coach at Carmel,

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who was Brady's roommate and was an assistant at North
Central at the time, just to find out what was
going on in the game itself. Kevin was like the
freshman football coach and you know, was helping out varsity
defensive backs and whatever else. But that's how big that
weekend was. I mean, we had to know what was
going on. We had to know what was going on
in that game. That's a huge rivalry game. But their

(22:46):
rivalry games going on all over the place. Are you
going to try to make it tonight? What's that you're
going to try to make it to put? Except for that,
I am doing a fundraiser tonight along with Tony Kanaan
for a school on the Southeast Side.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Now, I was at Canon or Keenan.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Tony Kanan when he first came to the country now
Tony Kanaan based on the appropriation of the way people
say his name. But yeah, he and I are doing
a fundraiser. I'll tell you about that later because it's
for a school that's very cool on the Southeast side.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
So I got americanized. You're saying, what's that you got americanized?

Speaker 1 (23:13):
That's exactly right. A huge, huge night in high school
football will go over all of it, and we'll do
so with Kyle nedd and Rip. Big show lined up
for you. I mentioned Stephanie White going to join us
two o'clock, one o'clock, a former Colts quarterback that can
elaborate on why exactly Daniel Jones may be finding comfort
at stop number two in his career that he didn't
have in stop one in his career. Because there's a

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former Colts quarterback that I think can relate and identify
to that. We'll do that conversation coming up one o'clock.
But when we come back, Indianapoli star Kyle Nedderrip next
on a Friday. You know it took a second when
that started. I couldn't remember what song this was, and
I said, Eddie, what is this? And he said, all
the Lights with Kanye, and I'm like, yeah, that's right,

(23:54):
it's Friday night Lights. And then I realized that I
felt completely clueless by asking exactly that.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Speaking of lost and clueless, So we bring on Kyle
Neddrip from the end of Star.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's exactly correct, Kyle Nedrip joining us now from the
Indianapolis Star. He will have all of your high school
football coverage tonight. Kyle, how are you doing well?

Speaker 4 (24:11):
How are you Jake?

Speaker 1 (24:12):
You know, man, I love it, and I'll tell you this.
It always takes me a couple of weeks to really
kick into gear in terms of my thought process of
high school football because when it's really hot out, it
doesn't feel like football season, right, and then obviously we're
kind of in that transitional period. But tonight looks like, honest,
no matter where you live, no matter where you live,

(24:36):
if you have a free night tonight and you've got
a couple of bucks in your pocket and it doesn't
take many of them, you should go out to a
high school football game because the weather tonight is going
to be absolutely perfect and there's some big games, right.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, absolutely, And we've been lucky this year. I think
last week was probably the hottest week we've had on
a Friday night, and it wasn't It was a little
steam even not terrible, but usually you know, those first
couple weeks are can be pretty brutal. So it's been
a good knocking on wood here but a great weather
season so far. So and another one on like you
said on tap for tonight, yeah we've got I'm gonna

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be at Decatur Central. The Hawks play Playfield, which is
Plainfield is number three in five A and feed it
up to this point. So that's a big mid state game.
Brownsburg and Westfield the rematch of the state finals last
year in six A up at Westfield tonight. That'll be
a really good one. And then Indian Creek is at

(25:30):
Try West and Try West as Jack Sorgie who is
coming into Louisville, and I think that'll be a potential
for a really good game as well. But those are
those are just a few. There's a lot of good
ones tonight on the on the schedule as we get
ever closer to the sectional draw.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
In a couple of weeks, which is hard to believe
right that we're closer and closer to that, But let
me let's let's begin with this. You know, the Colts,
for example, are three and oho. Okay, And you know,
last night I'm watching Seattle, Seattle goes to three and one.
I'm like, wow, that's kind of a surprise. I don't
like people thought Seattle would be where they are at
this point in the year. From a high school football standpoint,
tip the cap for me, if you could kyle to

(26:08):
a school that when you look at what they've done
so far, you say to yourself, you know what, give
them credit. I don't know how long this will last,
but they're off to a good start and they probably
have exceeded expectation.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, and I think by this point in the year
you have pretty good sample size of what that team's about,
you know. And I think there are a few of
those out there, you know. And one, you know, one
we've talked about is Carmel. I don't know that you
can put them in a surprise category necessarily, but I
think they had just the way they've played so far
and how they have you know, come out. You know,

(26:42):
they won three games last year. You know, that's the
reasons for that. There were you know, injuries and you know,
probably games that they could have won didn't but man,
I mean to see them kind of hit the ground running.
Their only losses to Louisville Trinity, which is not ranked
number one in Kentucky in six A, so you know
they're team I think that you know, may fit that

(27:03):
you know fit that mold.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Another one I would say, in my opinion, if you're
tipping your cap to somebody, is definitely Pelton Heights there.
You know, I know they lost last week the new
pal That loss doesn't you know mean Andy, it's not
going to meaning thing towards their tournament success necessarily. But
you know, they're four and one. They were a six
and sixteen last year, and you know, I think they're

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going to be a team to watch. And maybe he's
flying a little bit under the radar, right, Yeah, they
play Mount Vernon. Mount Vernon's having a tough season so far.
You know, I don't know that that'll be a you
know that that's may not be a blowout type game
necessarily though, because Mount Vernon does have you know, talented
players also. But I think that's you know, the job
Jed Richmond's done there this year and and really throughout

(27:50):
his tenure, they've had some good teams you know, throughout
his tenure there. But this could be a team they
haven't been to a you know, they haven't won a
sectional since twenty eleven. I think this is a team
maybe you know, you're looking at who they play in
the sectional, who they potentially could play, and there's definitely
a path for them to get through their Yorktown's good.

(28:10):
You know, Greenfield Central is still still a tough team.
You know, Beach Grove has had some good wins early
in the year. But I think that's a team that
you know, maybe we're not talking about enough or you
know that maybe uh just flying a little bit under
the radar. And again they lost pretty badly to New
Pal last week. But but everyone's doing that, you know,
this year. So but I would I would say them,

(28:31):
you know, a couple of Indian Creeks another one they're
four and one Lapal may fit that and also Avon
I think too that you know, the start that they've
got off to maybe another one who probably fits that category.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
You mentioned New Pal by the way they are at
Greenfield Central tonight. You know, a lot of big games
around the area of Noblesville, Franklin Central. We mentioned Carmel
and North Central. I'm curious of this, Kyle, and I
know that we have discussed with you before, and so
I apologize for asking this again. I believe you told
me this is season sixteen or seventeen. For you, I'm

(29:04):
going off the top of my head, is that right?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
I actually think it's eighteen, though for me, yeah, I
have to actually do the math on that.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
The next time I ask, it'll be nineteen because I'm
always like, here are too short. But the reason I
ask it I'm curious of this, And I don't mean
necessarily in terms of the passion for it, because I
think that's been there all the way through, but stylistically speaking,
or even just in quality of play from the time
that you arrived in Indiana now working through the nearly

(29:33):
two decades of covering high school football, how has high
school football in Central Indiana grown or changed in the
time that you've been here?

Speaker 3 (29:44):
To be honest, the biggest change that I've seen in
my time is the talent, probably at the skill position,
not that there wasn't that before, but it's I think
it's used differently now because more of the five A,
six A and even the smaller schools are for ominily
running you know, shotguns, spread offenses, and you know that's

(30:04):
not something even when I first started here, you know
that that that was necessarily the case. You know, there's
some teams that did it, and it kind of became
more you know, popularized by what the college game was doing,
which I think translates more to you know, what high
schools do than the NFL does for sure, And the
NFL has even gone to to more of that in
recent years. So I think that's to me, that's the

(30:26):
biggest difference. And now you will see and I will
I'll have a story coming on a kid next week
from a school that kind of kind of is more
old school in their approach, and it was fun to
go watch them. I won't say who it is yet,
just to but it was fun to go watch them
practice just because it was more of an old school
style of game. But but I think just the you know,

(30:49):
in the off season stuff and what the quarterbacks do,
the quarterback play is just it's really a high level
even when you come into high school. Now, I think
it's almost expected of you, where I don't know that
that was poys the case or you know, has been
the case. But I think there's just a lot of
things done. And you know, the good thing about football,
you know, in my opinion, is there's you know, you

(31:11):
can't necessarily play year round football, you know, so you
do have some offseason, you do have some you know,
most football coaches will support, you know, their kids playing
another sport. A lot of times that's track, which fits
well with football or wrestling, you know, maybe both. So
you know, I think that's a good thing about football.
But also you do see I think the skill position

(31:31):
players doing other things that maybe have them. And also
you can practice more now too in the in the
off season with your high school. So I think just
the overall skill level of the quarterbacks, the skill position players,
and just the predominance and the defenses are better too.
So it's harder just to line up with then I
formation and run unless you're just so dominant that you

(31:53):
can do that than it used to be. So there's
a lot of I think, a lot more tacticle things
that are different. And also just the you know, the
skill of the players I think is just better than
it used to be.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Kyle, when you look around the area. Let's go to
the quarterback position, Okay, I do think that that has
become a more cerebral position. It's always required to be
a cerebral position, right, but I think it's become more
understanding and more in vogue for players at a younger
age to be able to look at defenses and process

(32:24):
and no playbooks and you know the things that you see,
the Mannings and the Brady's. I think that influence has
trickled down now to the high school level, where by
the time a kid's playing as a varsity player, he
has known those are the things, those are the skills
that he's going to have to master. So with that
all said, can you give me a quarterback in the area,

(32:45):
At no disrespect to others, but a player that when
you watched him, you just said to yourself, that's a
guy that just looks like he was he was born
to be a quarterback. He's got the size, he clearly
can process, he's he has shown a comfort level in
the pocket and just an understanding. Any of them from
around the area that jump out at you when I

(33:07):
when I use that disclaimer, well.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
When you say it that way, there's one for sure,
and he's the quarterback of Brownsburg. Oscar Fry who was
you know, he was the starter last year that he
did share time a little bit with Goo Suis Stevens,
but he he was kind of the guy as a
sophomore even and now watching him as a junior last
week was the first time I've seen Brownsburg play in

(33:29):
person this year. And you know, they ran the ball
really well against Fishers. But I just did the and
he even had this last year as a sophomore, but
even more so now. But his his awareness, his ability
to you know, to to read what's about to happen
to you know, hey, we need to hurry up and
get this playoff before the quarter and he's in top

(33:50):
he's on top of it. You know, just those sorts
of things that you know, those are things that you
watch on you know, Saturdays and Sundays that that most quarterbacks,
because they're in that position, should handle that stuff really well.
You don't always see that at high school or you
don't see you know, coaches maybe give their quarterback always
you know, they won't put too much on their plate
obviously as a high school kid.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
But he's the.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
One that I think he's just really cerebral. He's physically
talented too, I mean, he's got Division one offers and
you know he's only a junior. But yeah, he's one
that you know, because I just saw him play, and
just because I think he's that way anyway, his footwork
and stuff, and he moves around the pocket. He's not
he's not a super mobile quarterback, but he's just really

(34:32):
you know, kind of the way you described that, he
really fits that bill, I think. And yeah, he looks
like he's been and when you talk to him, it's
another thing. He really comes off like he's been an
NFL quarterback. And when you talk to him, he's just very,
very polished, very you know, respectful of his teammates and
the opponents and those sorts of things. So I think

(34:53):
he's one that definitely fits that category.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
By the way, one of the schools that I mentioned
each and every week when we have on Kyle Needripp
from the Indian PILs, it's our Crystal House tonight taking
on short Ridge. This is a battle of two teams.
The last two years, I believe that we have kind
of talked up on this particular radio show.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Kyle Yeah, short Ridge coach by Ron Walls now and
if you remember he used to coach at the Heritage
Christian and he's had obviously a lot of success overall
in his career. But you know, in Shortridge, I say,
while we're talking about they have a running back named
Thomas Campbell. Had a really good year last year. He's
off to a really good start again this year and

(35:30):
they've got back to back wins and now so building
up a little bit of a momentum. And they'll play
after they played Crystal House this week, they play Addicts
next week, and we covered Adicts' game last week. They're
very talented teams, so you know that could be a
game to highlight next week. Shortridge and Addicts, Kyle.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
As we approached the halfway point of the high school
football season, I know, leading up to the start of
the athletic calendar year, the I say votes on different rules,
they instituted the one time trains for rule. Have Now
that the high school football seasons coming to a close
rapidly quickly, have you been able to talk to any coaches,
athletic trainers, or any the school officials on what to

(36:08):
expect Because I would assume that most of these student
athletes that you will see enter the quote unquote transfer
portal are going to be for your big time sports,
mainly basketball and football.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, I mean we've we've there's a lot of We
did a coaches confidential before the season where he kind
of we're able to give coaches, you know, confidential, they
can say what they want, We're not going to name them.
And that was one of the topics we brought up.
Was the transfer, the one time transfer. Uh, you know,
I do think there are good restrictions in place. You know,

(36:40):
there's been some you know, this senior class kind of
gets in the cott in the middle of it all.
You know, they're they're you know, they weren't able to
really utilize this new change because they're seniors. So there's
been some I think some you know, frustration over that
part of it. But I think as we move forward, uh,
it's it's actually gonna be a little bit more black
and white than the old rule was, hopefully, you know,

(37:03):
as people kind of understand it better and what you're
allowed to and not allowed to do, you know. And
the good thing I think is, you know, it's a
one time transfer, you know, so if you're transferring multiple times,
it kind of reverts back to the old rules. So
you're not, you know, able to just kind of bounce
here and there, depending on what the circumstances are in
your life. I think there's some there's some you know,

(37:27):
lessening of restrictions based on what exactly the scenario is
for that individual. But but yeah, I mean, I think
everybody's still kind of wrapping their arms around it a
little bit or understanding what exactly it is. But we
have seen, you know, as you go through some of
these teams, like you know, and a lot of it
is younger kids as freshmen sophomores who move so they're
not even you know, sometimes even on our radar that

(37:49):
much yet they may not even played varsity sports, and
they may be going to a smaller school from a
bigger school they weren't playing. So there's been some of
that too. So it's hard to hard to know exactly
how it's been so so early still in that process.
So but I think we'll, you know, it's definitely gonna
be a factor. And I think as you know, I

(38:09):
think as people kind of understand what it is a
little bit more now, you know, we'll we'll, I don't
know if we'll see more of it, but I think
it will definitely be part of uh, you know, definitely
just part of the experience.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Now, Coaches Confidential sounds like a show I would have
tried to catch late night on HBO back in the
day's worth, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, we had some great we had some great answers
on that actually, and a lot of you know, the
problem I think is that, you know, there's a lot
of things that you know, kunt is, undue influence or
recruiting that you're not allowed to do. And I think
people at first maybe thought, well, yeah, we can now
recruit players. Well you can't. You can't just go out
and recruit players from another team. That's still not legal. So, uh,

(38:51):
there are some uh you know that that's some of
the issues that the coaches talked about.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, it's pretty gray, right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Exactly, Yeah, And I think you still need to have
those guard rails. You don't just want you know, you
don't just want coaches going out and you know, recruiting
your players too and making you promises and things like that.
I don't think that's that's not what this was intended
to be.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
So Decatur Central where you are tonight, correct.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yes, I'll be at the cat looking forward to it
and seeing I haven't seen either of these teams in
person yet, so looking forward to this game tonight. I
think it's gonna be high scoring. Yeah, I think it'll be.
I think it'll be a fun game.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Playing field and Decatur Central Ad DC, and be sure
look for the Eddie Garrison statue on your way in.
That's right, yes, exactly, you'll know the statue. It's the
one with forty six pounds of bronze in the head
area and then six gold chains. That's the statue that
Teddy Garrison. Kyle appreciate it as always.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
We'll talk to you next week. All right, guys, Thank you, Kyle,
Ned and Rip joining us on the program. I mentioned
that perhaps the Pacers will look a little bit different
this year. We certainly know that from a standpoint of
the personnel, But what about the style. You can and
elaborated on that. We'll let you hear from the next
you know, I'm really, honestly, I'm really fascinated by Daniel Jones.

(40:11):
I don't think it's overly surprising that a change of
scenery has just allowed him to really jumpstart himself here
and play at a very high level for the Colts
and smart player, you know, not turning the ball over
and making just all areas of a step of a
maturation that maybe he didn't have in New York or

(40:33):
was not facilitated for him in New York. And I
wanted to get deeper into why that is. And I thought,
who would who would be good at knowing that? And
I thought, what about somebody that started somewhere and didn't
get off to a great start, didn't find any consistency,
and then went to stop number two in their career

(40:55):
and immediately their numbers skyrocketed, and they found stability, and
they started winning games and then went to the playoffs.
And so I reached out to that former Colt and said, hey,
anyway we can examine this, and they said, yep, how
about one o'clock on Friday. So that conversation just a
couple minutes from now. But we talked about the Pacers
and getting set for their season. Chad Buchanan talked about

(41:17):
the fact that now without Halliburton and without Miles Churner,
clearly they are going to look a little bit different.
And yes, you would say that at times if you're
going to Matheren or say Jarris Walker. Maybe that slows
things down a little bit from time to time. The
question for Chad bu Canon was does that mean that

(41:40):
by design, with most possessions you're going to be a
more physical team or just on occasion, depending on a lineup.
Here's Chad bu Canon yesterday.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
You're losing a ballhandler, obviously a primary ballhandler with Tyrese.
Now we'll be able to slide Drew over to do
some of that responsibility, and that creates minutes for other
players on our roster that maybe don't do some of
the same things that they're replacing. So, you know, Coach
Carlisle is a brilliant coach. He's a Hall of Fame coach.
You know, one of his strengths is taking what's given

(42:09):
to him and maximizing it. And I think you'll see
us play, like I said, a little more, probably a
little more physical style of game. You know, we'll have
the ball in the hands of some other players at
times where it was Drew Beifore. You know, now maybe
it's in Benedict, or maybe it's more in Pascal or
Aaron or Jerris Whover.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
It might be.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
There's the opportunity for guys to kind of establish themselves
of what they can do to help his team this year,
but also moving forward, We're always going to be looking
long term as well. But I think you know, the
thing you'll notice differently is probably we won't be playing
quite as fast, but will still be pushing the ball,
but it'll be a little more of a physical, probably
execution type team this year.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
I alwins.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
It's a huge surprise, and what that allows them to
do then is better probably assess an inventory, if you will,
how they can work Benedict Mather and Jarris Walker into
things and play a style that then becomes an additional
card in the deck, if you will. For Rick Carlile,

(43:09):
once you get Haliburton back and you go forward then
and I realized then we're talking eighteen months from now.
But interesting comments from him as well on Benedict mathern
We'll get to that later in the program, but when
we come back, the rebirth of a quarterback from Stop
one to Stop two, a guy that went through it

(43:30):
himself and can shed some light on what Daniel Jones
might be thinking, is next. I don't know this. I
don't know this, but I suspect it. I suspect that
there was a time that this song was blaring out
of a tape deck on some car rolling into the

(43:51):
parking lot at Washington Square on the way to get
a hot Sam back in about nineteen eighty three or
eighty four, and Jeff George was driving listening to Journey
after Warren Central football practice and going getting getting himself
a pretzel before going home to watch Andy Griffith and
Warren tape. That's my guess. He joins us now on
the program, the former Cult of Course Illinois and Warren

(44:12):
Central quarterback Jeff George joining us, Jeff, how are you good, Jake?

Speaker 4 (44:16):
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
I'm good? Is that Is that an accurate description by
the way that Journey might have played at Washington Square
back in the day.

Speaker 8 (44:23):
I mean that's pretty accurate. You know me too well.
But I mean it's still to this day. I still
listen to that.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, you were like, waitit, what are you talking about?
Back in Washington Square.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Back in the day. That's still happening.

Speaker 8 (44:37):
I could go by there and wondering where it's at.
Where's Eastgate at? You know, it's Glendale. I miss all
those days going to hot stand how any that that
does bring back memories? And uh, what was that that
story you always went in and you you saw the
posters and you're going through.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
The posters and oh, Spencer Giffs Spencer.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, if you were lucky, there was a heather locklayer
poster that just got least right. Those are the glory days. Hey, Joe, listen,
I wanted to ask you, I appreciate the time coming on,
you know, first and foremost before we get into because
there was a specific thing that I thought you'd be
able to add, you know, more than anybody in this

(45:17):
town actually an expertise on it. But I know you
watch football. I know you spend a lot of time
watching it. So let's begin with just simply your thoughts
so far on what you've seen from the Colts at
being at three and oh and what's jumped out at you.

Speaker 8 (45:31):
Well, you know, obviously the main player that's jumped out
as Daniel Jones. You know that's you know, without his play,
without what he brings the to the offense and to
the team, the leadership, I'm not sure that they would
be there. Although I'm a big ar fan, I think
he's got you know, a lot of upside to him.

(45:53):
But in this system and this with this coaching staff,
with this type of offense, I think it's a perfect
fit for what Sticking and the Colts want to accomplish.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
So I mean it's exciting.

Speaker 8 (46:08):
Everybody's excited around here, especially with that for the Pacers
and all the success that they've had, and you know,
the city's hung gray to see the Colts be successful again,
and you know what a great start they're on. And
you know, I think it all begins with the quarterback play.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
You know, So let's go back to this. And I've
talked till I'm blue in the face about some of
the challenges that were presented to you when you were
drafted by the Colts, and you know, we don't need
to go over that. I think most people know that,
just in terms of different offensive coordinators and different players
you had around you and lack of protection. But you know,
in the four years that you were here, your highest

(46:48):
yardage passing was twenty nine hundred yards. Twenty nine hundred
and ten yards you had in a year. And then
you go to Atlanta and you take off, and you
go to Atlanta and you throw for thirty seven hundred
yards in year one, you go over four thousand yards
in year two, You combine for forty seven touchdowns in
those first two years. What was it, Jeff? And the
reason I ask is because what's fascinating to me is

(47:09):
to look at Daniel Jones and to say, Okay, maybe
he didn't get the footing that he needed in New York,
but clearly in Indianapolis so far, there is a comfort
level there and there is just maybe a lack of
pressure that allowed him to flourish. What was it about?
Just a new start for you or for any quarterback

(47:31):
that can be beneficial that allows you to really kind
of take off and spread your wings a little bit.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Well, I think the main thing is.

Speaker 8 (47:41):
To find a situation, a team, a coaching staff that
believes in you. The type of system that they run
here fit's his style play. They give the quarterback a
lot of freedom at the line of scrimmage, and you
have to be smart enough to understand coverages, and you know,

(48:01):
you have to know your offense like the back of
your hand. You just have to be a coach uh
out there playing and what they allow him to do
is what he's probably been doing, especially when he was
back in college at Duke. I remember Washington playing college.
My oldest son played at Pitt at the time, and
it was a downpour rain and it was just miserable.
And uh, he comes out and he throws for four

(48:24):
four fifty I think, and four or five touchdowns. I
had a couple of rushing touchdowns. And at that time,
I remember telling my oldest son, uh, Jeff Junior, that
I go, this guy's pretty good. I mean, you're gonna
hear a lot from him. He's gonna be a you know,
first round pick. And uh, you know, I thought he
was great in college. So when the Giants picked him,
you know, I thought it was a great pick. But

(48:45):
a lot of times that that doesn't me and you're
gonna have great success at that team that picked you.
So like in my for me example, uh, coming to Indianapolis,
it was great to come back home, play in front
of family and friends and hometown and all that. But
was it the right fit for me at the time, No,
it wasn't. It would have been nice to be able

(49:06):
to maybe play in the league for four or five
years and have success and if it didn't work out
as a team, I was that before to come back
to Minnapolis when they were good, and uh, and you know,
finish my career out.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
At that time.

Speaker 8 (49:19):
But you know, you need a lot of luck and
a lot of you know, things just need to go
your way. And when he was in New York, it
just you know, with a new coach, coaches coming in
coming out and trying to replace you know, future Hall
of Famer and Eli having to deal with all that,
it was just it was just too much. And you know,
I'm not sure anybody would have went in that situation

(49:42):
and been successful. You know, he had a running back
at the time, sa Kwon Markley that was unhappy and
wanted out. And you know there's a reason why players
won out of a situation. Uh, you know, they know
it's not good. So when you have a franchise player
like your running back that is all world and he
wants that of New York, uh, you know, the there's
something to be said about that. So I just don't

(50:02):
think it was made for him to be very successful
in New York. And he just you know, he's fortunate
to be able to get out of there and get
a fresh start coming to Indianapolis. Media is not as
big as as it is there, and you know it's
he can just pretty much breathe and be himself and
be that same kind of player that he was at
college at Duke and and that's kind of what you're seeing.
He's running around making plays with his legs, he's showing

(50:24):
his athletic ability, he's smart, he's making checks at the
line of scrimmage, he's got a strong arm. Teammates love him,
and you know, a guy like that, you know can't
help but be successful. So you know, I'm happy for
him as I've been there, like you said, and you
see guys like that, good people become successful, and you
can't help but be happy for him.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
When when you go Jeff, Jeff George is our guest,
like for example, and I've always said this, Oftentimes, players
I think get unfairly judged based on how and where
they were acquired. So in other words, when you were
in Atlanta, and I say this only because again it's
kind of analogous to the situation that Daniel Jones maybe
going through. There was so much pressure on you in

(51:06):
Indianapolis because you were the number one player taking in
the draft and obviously your background in the city itself.
But when you went to Atlanta. Do you think that
part of why you were able to really flourish was
because just that microscope was off a little bit? And
maybe Daniel Jones feels that same way, like you talked
about of you know, there's a difference in terms of

(51:27):
what was invested in Daniel Jones by Indianapolis, and therefore
he doesn't have that pressure bearing him down. That would
be tough for anybody. Is there some truth to that?

Speaker 8 (51:37):
There's a lot of truth to that, and and and
what he brings to It's not like he's, you know,
a first second year guys. He's an experienced veteran that
understands it's been through all the every situation you can
go through as a quarterback, not just football, but off
the field as well. You know, when you tend to
when you don't have success early on, you you really

(51:57):
tend to isolate yourself. You know, it's not just football.
You you worry about where you're going. You know, people
just look at you different. Heck, your teammates even look
at you different. Because what the media and everybody puts
out there and says about you, it's totally not true.
But when they read that, you know, other people just
they you know, they believe that. So you kind of
like carry yourself a little bit in the facility, you

(52:19):
carry yourself a little bit different. You're thinking, man, is
this you know, does my teammate believe in me? You know,
do my coaches believe in me? Does the ownership believe
in me? And I would imagine he felt that way
in New York and you know I felt that way
as well. But you know, the main thing is he's
a confident guy. He's had success in college. He knows
how good he is. He you know, he has all
the the ability in the world. You know, like I said,

(52:42):
not just passing the ball, but he has the mental
part of it, uh that you need to to be
a great quarterback. And and he can run. You know,
he's mobile and man, some of the plays that you've
seen that you see him make is uh is uh
you know some of the best that you know, the
best guy's doing at that level. So uh, you know,
when whenever you go out and you uh the first

(53:04):
i mean game three games they played and you were
the first two games that you never saw the punter
on the field, that's pretty incredible, you know, to go
down there and I believe that's what the record with it.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
The punter never played right on that.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, two games didn't put and then they scored on
their first ten possessions. I think something like that or
ten straight I should.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Say, yeah, I mean that.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
Yeah, I mean it's hard to score points in the NFL.
So so when you're doing that, you don't you don't
need your punter.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (53:28):
That speaks a lot of what your quarterback's doing on
the field. Is he's doing something right and uh, whether
you know it's a bad play and he sees the
blitz coming or he's changed the protection, just knowing where
everybody's out on the field, he's able to do that.
So that's that's always going to be, uh be success.
So you know, I'm happy for him. I'm I'm happy

(53:50):
for the Colts. I'm happy for him and hopefully they
can continue.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
What what things. Jeff, you know you hell, you would
know this better than anybody in town. I mean you
you were a long time starting quarterback in the National
Football League. So when you're watching a game, I'm imagining
that you're watching it through a different lens than say
myself for most people. When you first saw from Daniel Jones.
You know, was there anything that you saw out of

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him that and I know you, like Anthony Richardson, that
you were waiting to see out of Anthony Richardson, that
told you right away, Okay, he's comfortable here, this is
going to work. What does your trained I notice that
perhaps the average person does not.

Speaker 8 (54:29):
Well, you just watch them how they you know, they
carry themselves in the huddle, how they walk up to
the line of scrimmage. What you're looking for your keys,
You're you're looking at the safety, you're looking at the front.
You know, there's just so much you have to do
that's going through your mind, and the clock's going down
taking and you have to get to playoff at you know, uh,
at a certain time. So yeah, just just the way

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he handles itself out of the huddle is excuse me,
how my car went off?

Speaker 4 (54:56):
And you can still hear me.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Oh yeah, I hear.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Okay, sorry about that, that's right.

Speaker 8 (55:02):
So yeah, So just how he cares himself, you know,
he you can just tell he's in command of the offense.
And players looking in the eyes, you can see in
the eyes that you know, they're just looking at him,
knowing that he's in charge. And you know, if he
says that he makes a check, he knows the right
check and not that Anthony Richardson didn't do that. I mean,
I I see so much uh upside to him and

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all the talent that he has, the arm strength and
obviously the running ability. I just don't think that that
he was coached right in the beginning, you know, whereas
Daniel Jones just came into the league, uh, you know,
just prepared, came from an offense to preparing him for
the NFL and uh, you know, and and aar just
I don't think got the coaching that that he really

(55:43):
needs to to develop into a great the great quarterback
that he can be. But man, there's just so much
upside the day and you know it when you watch him,
and you know, even in his interviews, how he talks,
how he uh he was always picking up his teammates,
always you know, giving credit to somebody else, and you know,
it's just a he's just a polished quarterback, not just

(56:05):
on the field but in the media world. And he
just knows the right things to say and just how
he acts. And you know, I'm just impressed. I'm impressed
with the with the not just the football player, but
the but the person. Every time I hear him.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Talk, Jeff, I don't think we've had a chance to
talk to you, certainly, you know, publicly since the unfortunate
passing of Jim Irsay. And you know, I know everybody
listening to this show knows what Jim Mersay meant to
this town in terms of just his philanthropy and the
different things he was involved in. He also was a
guy that clearly was a huge believer in you. The story,
you know, going back to when he came and watched

(56:39):
your work out of Illinois and said, we're gonna make
you the number one picking the draft. What was your
overall relationship with Jim Mersay and just obviously your thoughts
on the loss of Jim Irsay.

Speaker 8 (56:50):
It was tough, you know, just like everybody else, you
feel all the the stuff that he did for the city.
But my relationship with him was really good. You know,
I wish I've said it all along. He's probably the
best owner that ever played for. I just didn't get
a chance to play for the owner that he became.
We all knew that he was he was going to

(57:11):
be great. He was ah, he loved the players. He
was always in the weight room lifting weights with everybody,
and I mean he was always praising, you know, whoever
he drafted. Yeah, he was a big fan of mine,
and it's just unfortunate that that I just wasn't able
to continue my career to play with him because he
was Uh, you know, I played for a lot of owners, obviously,

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but out of all the owners I played for, nobody
was better than Jim.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
So I just wish I.

Speaker 8 (57:38):
Could have brought a lot more wins and a super
Bowl or a championship to Indianapolis when I played, because, uh,
he's one of those owners that deserve it. He deserved
more than the one super Bowl that they won. With
all the talents that they had here and defense and
all the offensive players that they had. Uh you know,
they kind of reminded me of the h the Atlanta
Braves back when the Braves were good, with all that

(58:01):
pitching and Glavin Maddox and all those smolts and having
all the talent but only winning one World World championship.
And it would have been nice to have brought him
more than one one super Bowl because if there's any
owner that deserved it, it was him and you know,
we just weren't We just weren't very good. I've said
this all and you know I've talked about it. We
were just in that learning stage when I got here,

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and you know, we're just both on offense and defense.
We just were really weren't that good. And and you know,
you draft a rookie quarterback, you know, like myself, and
we had all the comments in the world. But you know,
if you don't have uh, and I was part of it,
I'm not you know, blame anybody else, but if you do,
if you don't have a team uh on both sides
of the ball, and a team that uh, you know,

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an organization with an owner, and we didn't.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
I didn't. We didn't even have a GM at the time.
So uh. I mean it was.

Speaker 8 (58:51):
Bob Ursay and jim and uh so we we we
were learning as we went. But they got good and
Jimmy was was one of the best. And what a
great family. To see his daughters out there being involved
as much as they are.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
I love that.

Speaker 8 (59:06):
I love hands on owners, having them on the on
the sidelines, and having jim be a big part of
them when he was there. It just made you as
a player feel good and you just couldn't help but win.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
What is for any player, Jeff, you know, for being
Anthony Richardson, be it what Daniel Jones had to in
New York, you know, Adie Mitchell, whoever it may be,
when you get into the NFL, I mean, aside from
the obvious, which is the media and as you you know,
let's go back to it. I guess this way, when
you talk about just being a leader being you know,

(59:36):
like Daniel Jones appears to kind of have kind of
the command in the presence of his teammates. Is that
a learned skill? The guys just either have that or
they don't, or do you kind of learn it through experience?

Speaker 8 (59:50):
You know what a little bit of both, you know,
the way you carry yourself as you knows leadership. But
you know, I've said this, you know, I think I
said it last time we were on for a quarterback.
When you come into a system and from college to pros,
you need to have a young nucleus around you. You
really can't have a veteran dominated team, uh, because those

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guys just look at you different. It's hard to lead
as a twenty two year old kid. It's hard to
lead a thirty two to thirty five year old guy
and say, hey, follow me. You know, I know, uh,
you know, I know what I'm doing. I you know
we're gonna win. Just follow me. I have the the
map for that. Guys don't really buy in. They're like, yeah, okay, rookie,

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you know you're you know, twenty, Just sit tight, you know,
two three years down the line. You know, let's uh,
let's figure this out. But if you got if you've
got a young group of an offensive line, receivers, you know,
defensive guys that are you know, two three year veterans,
and you're coming in as a rookie, it's easy to
lead those guys. It's easy for those guys to follow you.
It's easy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
You know, come in there.

Speaker 8 (01:00:55):
And you you you feel, you feel like this is
really my team. You're in the weight room, and you know,
if all these young guys you're you know, not just football,
but you do stuff off the field.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
You do you know, in the off season.

Speaker 8 (01:01:07):
You go to all the pacer games, you go to dinners,
you you you go to bowling. You know, all guys
have foundations nowadays, and you know, you you do you know,
a ton of charity work together. You're it's not just
the season that you're together, it's the whole off season
that you're together as well as the season. And you know,
that's kind of how you just build the chemistry. And

(01:01:28):
you know, that's the way it is in college, high school, college,
you kind of grew up together. You go through some
ups and downs, you win and lose together. But if
you're trying to lead a twenty two year old quarterbacks,
trying to lead a thirty five year old guy, it's
kind of hard. And and that's kind of what I
felt like my experience here in Indianapolis was I felt
like there just wasn't a lot of young guys that

(01:01:49):
we came in together that we could grow together. We
had two or three guys, but we were a veteran
dominated team that you know, I felt like half the
guys came from Baltimore, and you know, I was watching
them play as a kid, and so it's just it's
just it's different. So to answer your question, I don't
know if I'm answering your question or not, but I

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think it's easier for for a guy like Daniel Jones
to come in. It's been around, it's played four or
five years. It's been those the ups and downs when
he was in New York, because nobody faces that type
of pressure in New York. And then to be able
to come to Indianapolis, it really is, it's it's pretty easy.
I'm thinking I would think he would say the same

(01:02:31):
thing if New York is nothing like Indianapolis and I
can just go out there and beat myself. I can
go to dinner, I can go to the grocery. I don't
have to go to the grocery at ten forty five
at night to get my to get milk and cereal
or whatever. You get to watch Andy Griffiths and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Those that know.

Speaker 8 (01:02:49):
But you know you you can go at you know,
at one o'clock in the afternoon where people really they
may know you, they may not, but you know, it's
just it's the little things that you just kind of
take for granted that you can't do and in certain
places that you can do here in Indy and Apple.
So I know that he feels comfortable, and obviously his

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play is speaking for itself.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Have you watched Ted Lasso, Jeff, I have not. Let
me tell you some let me tell you something. Of
all people Jeff George of all people that I know,
needs to watch ted Lasso on Apple TV more than
any person because it is basically twenty twenty five Andy Griffith.
It is Andy Griffith that we're the sports team. I'm

(01:03:33):
telling you right now, if you start watching Ted Lasso tonight,
you will have it done before the Colts kickoff on Sunday.
It's three seasons, and then you will say to me,
you were right. I mean it has that, you know,
Andy Griffith. There's something you can learn in every episode.
You know what I mean. There's just Andy Griffith gives
you a little wisdom in every episode, right right, same thing, man,

(01:03:53):
I'm telling you, exact same thing. You will absolutely love it.
My last thing for you is this. I know a
lot of guys that played will have up on their
mantle the helmets of each team they played for. In
your case, it would be you know, the Colts, the Falcons,
the Raiders, the Seahawks, the Bears, Washington. I might be

(01:04:14):
I don't think I'm missing anybody there. Did I miss anybody?

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
Vikings?

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Vikings? I say, okay, Vikings as well. And then just
to the left of that, you would have Illinois, Purdue,
and Warren Central. When you look over all those helmets,
if you had to pick up one of them to
be able to put it on and instantly put yourself
back to when you played there, that brought you the
most joy, it would be which helmet.

Speaker 8 (01:04:37):
Yeah, you're not going to blaivee this, but the Warren
Tomahawks before my fifth and sixth grade travel ball.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Warren travel ball. If you're a kid, you're just out there,
you're man. I was.

Speaker 8 (01:04:53):
We were pretty good and played with all the guys
that I played with. It in high school. Obviously, I
think whenever you ask a quarter or ask a football player,
what was the best part or best time in your
life when you played football, and every I think almost
everybody would say high school, Friday night life. You that
that that's the best. College is great, you know, you're

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there for four years and you know, but it's more
of a you know, it's just it's it's not high school.
And then the pros. It's a business, and you know,
you have your ups and downs, and you know pros
are great. NFL is awesome. But for me when it
all started, Honestly, I mean this sounds crazy, but I
was a Warren Tomahawk in sixth grade and we went
you know, made it to the final game. And you know,

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to this day, you know, I can still remember every pass,
every past incomplete pass because we threw the ball a
lot in sixth grade and uh for.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Me as well as high school.

Speaker 8 (01:05:49):
Uh so answer your question, my Warren Tomahawk helmet, which
I don't know where it is to this day, I
probably don't have it, but uh, the high school as well,
Warren Central. But that helmet up there where all began,
where it was all innocent. You were just a kid
and you just go out there and then just played
with all your buddies that you grew up with, playing
out in the yard sideyard, backyard, you know, coming in

(01:06:12):
at ten to eleven at night, when it's you know,
mom's calling you to you know, hey, you got to
come on in and I give us five ten more minutes.
We're almost done. Uh you know what I'm talking about.
As we talk about just when it that's when, that's
when it it was.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
It was just fun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
So who beat the Tomahawks When you got to the
final Who beat you.

Speaker 8 (01:06:32):
The Greenwood Wood Chuck? They came up with something double
a gap. It was like, uh, you know, in the teens,
it was teens. I couldn't fill my hand. Lance Shyte's
dad was our coach. He's yelling at me, saying, you
got a hold on the ball, Hold on the ball.
My hands are frozen. I couldn't you know. I'm telling hi,
let's try and run the ball a little bit. We're

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throwing at forty to fifty times in the in the
ten degree weather, and uh, I think we got beat
like I don't even think we scored, like having enough,
and I believe it was. But they kept coming with
a blitz through dole, a gap blitz. And you know,
we're a little sixth grades that we had no idea
how to pick it up. And I'm taking one step
getting hit and getting sacked and not really sure of
thinking to myself, Man, maybe I need to play baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Get into baseball.

Speaker 8 (01:07:16):
So I think that's how I became good in baseball,
because I wasn't sure whether I liked football or not
because I got hit too much in the Little league.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Damn those wood Chucks, that's all I gotta say.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Those darn Greenwood would say.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
That's right. Jeff appreciated as always man great perspectives. Appreciate
it and look forward to talking to you again.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Sound good, Jake, anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Thanks Jeff George. Joining us on the program. The former
Warren Tomahawk in Indianapolis. Colt Kevin Bowen will join us
coming up just a couple of minutes from now. We'll
get the latest on what he's hearing from the colts
in terms of who's in and who's out for Sunday.
Bottom of the Hour. By the way, about an hour
from now, Franciscan Health, Good for the heart. Stephanie White

(01:07:59):
gonna join us coming up. Top of the Hour. Fever
in Action tonight in Vegas. Thanks to Jeff George for
his perspective. I thought it was really good perspective about
Daniel Jones and just maybe the ease of that pressure
from being able to change scenery, from the expectation coming
into the National Football League. Joining us now in the
program you hear each and every morning along with James

(01:08:19):
Boyd and jeff Rickord on the Fan Morning show. Kevin
Bowen and Kevin let's begin with this from a colt's standpoint,
I think it's safe to say, and I don't know
if official word has come out yet on the availability
of a couple of players. So you tell me if
especially Kenny Moore Alec Pearce, do we know more than
we did say yesterday?

Speaker 9 (01:08:38):
Yeah, Kenny Moore out for Sunday. Still they still are
saying no injured reserve. So that's I guess good news.
So basically thought there, you know, should return, I guess
in the next whatever three weeks, and the reserve has
to be at least four games. Alex Pierce is out
and then Matt Gonzalves, their starter right guard is also out.

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So first O line shakeup of the year, they'll go
to Dalton Tucker, who did start I think it was
seven games as an undrafted free agent last year.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, so let's go to that first off in terms
of that right guard because that is an area of
the line that a year ago they started to have
to play around a little bit with depth there. Right,
your thoughts are just your overall you know, with Tucker,
how big a drop is that when you go there.
I know you said he's had some reps, but what
do we look towards in terms of the vulnerability there

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now on that side of the line.

Speaker 9 (01:09:34):
Yeah, I think as he played last season he looked
more like an undrafted free agent.

Speaker 10 (01:09:38):
And so if you remember, they really.

Speaker 9 (01:09:40):
Shuffled that right guard spot a lot as the year
moved along.

Speaker 10 (01:09:43):
Once Will Fryes got hurt.

Speaker 9 (01:09:44):
I think fries got hurt in like week four, Week five,
Tucker started for a while and then you know, remember
they got Mark Lewinski at one point. So, uh, they
really feel like Tucker has made a jump though from
a year one to year two, and I think they
are they that you know a little bit of worse
in their mouth, but I think they feel decent about him,
you know, being called upon. So be curious that the

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Rams don't have the most household defense, certainly not you know,
Donald and von Miller and Jalen Ramsey from the super Bowl.
But they still have a pretty good defensive line, even
though the names might not be super common. So I
don't think it's something we'll watch again, you know, offensive
line wise, Like I said, it's the first time they've
had to change up that group, So definitely something to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Forums on the Kevin which team right now? Do you
think league wide there's more question mark about it, and
question mark in a good way. In other words, Between
the Colts and the Rams. If you were to just survey,
you know, a big NFL enthusiast living in Dallas that
has you know, a completely neutral observer, which of these

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two teams do you think is more intriguing as to
who they truly are?

Speaker 9 (01:10:52):
Oh, I think it's definitely the Colts. I mean, I
think people will go with the Hall of Fame quarterback
and the Super Bowl winning coach more than they would
go if you know, three games to Daniel Jones and
you shin second, you know, I guess is whatever he
is slightly above five hundred head coach. Now, if you
want to really like get into the weeds of these

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three games, I mean, the Colts have probably been the
more impressive team. I mean the Rams, you know, struggled
with Houston and then pulled away at the end, got
a huge fumble late. You know, they even struggle with
Tennessee a little bit. And then you know, Lastick was
really kind of a tailored two halves for those that
watch their game with the Eagles. They jumped all over
Philly early and then Philly made the Roaring comeback and

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then the game ended on that blockfield goal. So yeah,
I mean I would say Stafford McVeigh. I mean, you're
you're gonna bet on them more than you know, one
month of Daniel Jones and Shang stike in.

Speaker 10 (01:11:45):
But if you.

Speaker 9 (01:11:46):
Really and I get the Colts have played, you know,
probably the easiest schedule in the NFL. I don't know
if that plays out, but you know, three teams that
are combined one and eight. So yeah, I would guess
people would say Stafford to mcsay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
The Daniel Jones play. Kevin, I'm fascinated by this aspect
of it, and that is the fact that, you know,
I think one of the more underappreciated aspects of this.
We don't talk about it enough. We can talk about
it every hour, and I don't know wh what we're
talking about it enough. The way that they're taking care
of the football and they just simply are not turning
the football over and they are, you know, so efficient offensively.

(01:12:25):
Is that because and I've asked a lot of people this,
but in your mind, is that because Shane Stikeen is
brilliantly able to pick plays that he feels don't expose
any limitation of Daniel Jones. Or is it that Daniel
Jones has a level of play that allows Shane Stikeen
to further open his playbook and feel comfortable with whatever

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it is he wants to do.

Speaker 9 (01:12:50):
Yeah, I mean I would say a little bit of both.
I think Shane definitely is a play caller, you know,
has kept the cults away from I guess the less
than favorable situations. But and I know I've said this
a lot, and you and I probably have a discussion
at some point in the morning show. And I think
one of the better Peyton Manning quotes out there, and
he says it is quite often the Manning cast is
a huge part of the quarterbacks job is when you

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recognize you're in a bad play, either a get out
of it or B don't make it any worse. And
so for Daniel Jones, is recognizing the bad play. Mean, hey,
let me get to the Johnson Taylor checkdown quicker.

Speaker 10 (01:13:24):
You know, those sorts of plays. But you know, when
you think about.

Speaker 9 (01:13:28):
The three weeks of football for the Colts, Miami dropped
one interception. I can't recall many other times where I've
said to myself, oh boy, Daniel Jones got away with
that one like that, oh boy, and that probably should
have been a turnover.

Speaker 10 (01:13:42):
If you do that again, it's not gonna end well.

Speaker 9 (01:13:44):
Like, I haven't even really been many of those plays,
So I think a lot of credit also goes to
him of staying away, which is probably the biggest one
eighty from his NFL career is that he has had
too many negative plays. Again, there are some quarterbacks that
are just boring. They don't do anything good, they don't
do anything bad. There are some Jameis Winston probably the
biggest example of it, that like they do a lot

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of good, but they'll do a lot of bad. And
for Jones to have walked that really fine line of
like doing.

Speaker 10 (01:14:12):
Good and then no bad, that.

Speaker 9 (01:14:14):
Is truly impressive because you know, again he's had moments
in his NFL career, but they've always been sprinkled in
with the negatives, the turnovers, the sacks, and those haven't
been there really at all.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Through three weeks, Kevin, the you know, the season so
far I have been really impressed by, and I know
you have commented on this as well. The rebirth to
an extent or maybe the birth of Alec Pearce, and
by that I mean, and I don't know if it
was Alec Pierce, something he's done if it's Shane Steichen,

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but they've been able to put him in situations of
a different operating area than where we have seen Alec Pierce,
and it's paid huge dividend. I realize that you know
his health is in question right now, but are we
about to see the same level of incorporation and diversity
of Ady Mitchell starting to present itself, Whether they're going

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to try to use him in different ways?

Speaker 9 (01:15:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna be a huge
ad Mitchell week. Last year the one game Pierce Smith
Mitchell I think played over fifty snaps in the game,
which is a huge number for a wide out.

Speaker 10 (01:15:19):
So I would expect that to be the case.

Speaker 9 (01:15:21):
Obviously, Tyler Warren's presence is there and wasn't there obviously
last year. But you know it might not look exactly
the same as Pierce. But granted you saw the goals.
I mean, they took a shot down the field to
eighty Mitchell in Week two with Patrick shirts hand of
all corners, one of the best in the league, and
coverage on him. They took a shot last week down
the field to him and he drew a big pass

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interference penalty. So I fully expect Ady Mitchell to play
a lot, to be targeted at deascent amount, and you
know he is, the opportunity should be there for him
to have.

Speaker 10 (01:15:53):
A career game.

Speaker 9 (01:15:54):
You know, if there are some weaknesses to the Rams.
Their ow line has been a little banged up, particularly
a guard, and in corner they lost their best corner
a couple weeks ago, and just in general they're not
the most physical corner. So I do think that is
definitely an aspect where the Colts can take.

Speaker 10 (01:16:11):
Advantage of them. So yeah, you know, the.

Speaker 9 (01:16:15):
Staff continues to speak super highly of ad Mitchell when
he's on the field. They target him a good amount.
So Daniel Jones clearly feels a level of trust, which
is not a word you want to used last year
with ad Mitchell. So yeah, you know, Pittman and warning
might be you know, more of the target guys, but
still I think Adie mitchellill play a lot and be
targeted a decent amount.

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Did I hear Chad Buchanon yesterday in a press conference
acknowledge your Notre dame fighting Irish? Was that designed to you?

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:16:43):
He did take a take a dig.

Speaker 9 (01:16:45):
Yes, I forget the exact wording of it, either about
them losing or about them unable to guard anybody, maybe both,
but yes, he definitely did yeah, little little.

Speaker 10 (01:16:57):
Yeah, those a little twists of the knife there. I
was caught off.

Speaker 9 (01:17:00):
Guard and I just stood there and just had no
reaction and was stunned, and then thought to myself, damn,
how quickly things can change, with how people's perception of
noted in football.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
I took it as a compliment that Chad Buchanan is
listening to the station.

Speaker 9 (01:17:13):
Well, well, yeah, he strikes me as a P one listener.
You know, a long drive from Westfield down there to
the Saint Instan Center, and we know he's come on
with John quite often there.

Speaker 10 (01:17:23):
So yes, if we can get.

Speaker 9 (01:17:25):
Him one of those little Nielsen raiding pagers, that would
be wonderful because I think Chad Buchanan is one of
the few people that listened religiously.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
He commented last year at some point at one of
the games, did he liked my why not Indiana T shirt?
And then I thought it was probably a bad technical
marketing error that I didn't get him won, right.

Speaker 10 (01:17:47):
Oh boy, yeah, you dropped the ball on that.

Speaker 9 (01:17:49):
And I must say there was one point and Mark
Dykon got me all excited. This week, Mark goes, hey,
have you checked your desk for the shirt from Jay?
I go the shirt from Jake, And then I'm thinking myself, boy, yeah,
now that I think about it, months ago, Jake texted
me what is my shirt size? And this is all
during the wine not Indiana crazy, and I thought, man,

(01:18:10):
what a nice gesture from Jake. He got me a
shirt that was super nice. So and then I kind
of forgot about it. And then Mark says it this
week and I'm like, oh, okay, let me go to
my desk.

Speaker 10 (01:18:20):
Mark goes, check your drawers.

Speaker 9 (01:18:22):
I haven't opened the drawers to my desk and I've
worked there for what seven years?

Speaker 10 (01:18:27):
Eight years?

Speaker 9 (01:18:27):
I don't know if I've opened the drawers one time.
I'm opening all the drawers. I'm looking under binders, I'm
looking behind, I'm looking under the desk.

Speaker 10 (01:18:35):
I got no shirts, So Chad Buchanan and I we
got no shot.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Listen. Mark will tell you the shirt ferry made deliveries.
I'm not responsible. If it took you seven months to
finally grab it, I'm not responsible for it. If it
grew eggs, that ain't on me.

Speaker 10 (01:18:47):
Well, how about a head's up. You know, hey, f
y I I you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Know, maybe I just to your responsible employee that uses
your desk. Well, lord knows.

Speaker 9 (01:18:58):
Your desk is as dusty as any of the in
that whole building.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
You know, I notice a glimpse behind the curtain for
folks here. So we have here at the fan, we
have the an office that has a desk for all
of us, I mean myself, you, JMV. You know, we're
all in the same area. And they came in and
put new desktop phones on said desks, and I noticed

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that none of us have opened those out of the
box yet.

Speaker 9 (01:19:25):
Yeah, I know, it's obviously I think all of us
probably pot kettle black here. I think there's probably still
pictures of you, of you and Shannon's first date, me
before kid.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah, yeah, now, I do think possible. Kevin, now here's
the thing you are a And I'm not saying the
name of any businesses or whatever else, but but it
is my understanding there may be the possibility of why
not Indiana for IU football shirts coming out? So you
know I can do a make good for you, even

(01:19:55):
though I know that notes for Davi, your first love,
but you went to Indiana, So that's cool.

Speaker 9 (01:19:58):
Right, Just that's why he's grown a little bit since
I last texted you, so probably x before the l
L that I texted you lastly?

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Have you has the sun made the pick yet this week? No?

Speaker 9 (01:20:13):
Got the helmet's sitting out. I've been so bad about
I'm got a pick Colts. Right, it's just a blue
and a yellow. I mean, it's just all blue and
the yellow stripe. Right, it's too yellow stripes? Is that
what the rams helmet is?

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
The Rams change them a lot, you know what I mean?
I don't which one are they going with this week?
I don't know. They change them all the time.

Speaker 9 (01:20:32):
We don't Unfortunately, we haven't gotten in a modern NFL.
We don't have all the helmet you know, possibilities. We're
not you know, can you imagine picking which helmet Organ's gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
Wear each week?

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Exactly?

Speaker 9 (01:20:43):
Spending half of five twenty nine on Oregon helmets here?
So yes, we have not done it yet, but I
would assume he has one two in a row. I
would assume he's going to stick with the Colts here,
just because not a lot of attraction, particularly from a
zoology standpoint, with the Rams helmet.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Fair enough, all right, Kevin enjoy the weekend, enjoy the games,
and we will certainly be listening seven o'clock Monday morning
to the Fan Morning Show and recapping everything that happens
this weekend.

Speaker 10 (01:21:11):
It is an awesome sports weekend. You boys have a
great one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
It is indeed that Kevin Bowen joining us on the program.
Stephanie White canna join us coming up top of the
hour we come back. Chad Bucannon said more about the
Pacers in terms of their offense that I thought was
very telling about something that happened over the course of
last season, involving a guy that's going to be very
important for them. We'll play it next hard to believe,

(01:21:37):
by the way, rolling along here quickly on a Friday.
Awesome sports weekend ahead, Kevin Bowen, thanks for the time.
If you're just joining us, then you did not hear
that Kenny Moore the second has been ruled out for
the Colts, did he say? And no word? Still definditively
on Alec Pierce correct Eddie out out and then also

(01:21:58):
a shake up on the offense line.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Mat Gonzalva is dealing with the toe injury. He is out,
did not practice it all this week.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
So Tucker will be there on the right side. Dalton Tucker,
not Tucker Bonheart. That's right, very important, distinguished fever and
action tonight. Stephanie White joining us about ten minutes from now.
Also at Gambridge Field House that is the home arena
of the Indiana Pacers who are getting set for media
day coming up on Monday. But yesterday Chad Buchanan, their
general manager, meeting with the media and just kind of

(01:22:29):
talking about where things stand right now. Obviously we know
Miles Turner in Milwaukee, Tyres Haliburton will be out. Pascal
Siakam presumably becomes a focal point as he already was
of the offense. But Rick Carlyle has made no bones
about the fact that Benedict Mathern will be a starter
and Benedict Matheren will be another player that they are

(01:22:52):
heavily reliant upon. Interesting comments from Chad Buchanan yesterday regarding
Benedick Mathern, Eddie, Eddie, hold on, let's do this again,
and sorry, we're going to play lottery here to see
if Eddie hits Chad Buchanan button or music button, bang

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the drum.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
All there we want Ben Batherin.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
That's right, Chad, you canon, this is not Todd Runner,
and I promise.

Speaker 7 (01:23:19):
We need Benedict to play his style that suits his strengths,
but we need it to help us win, you know,
finding that balance of doing what he does well but
within the team frame of what we need him to
do for us to be successful, because you don't want,
you know, not the doubt that this is Bendett. But
there's players who are going to look and see, Okay,
I scored twenty two points tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
I don't care.

Speaker 7 (01:23:39):
I don't look at the winner loss. I just know
I played well and that's not how Ben is. Ben
wants to win, but we need his production, his play
style to adopt to us that allows us to be
to win games. And I think that's the challenge for
a young player is figuring out, Okay, what can I
do and then figure out what can I do that
helps us win. There's two separate things there, and we
need that the winning part to be part of of

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Ben's approach, and I think he can do it. And
I think there's things that he does that we need
that we're lacking, and him figuring out when do I
do that and when do I play within the system
of what we're trying to do is a challenge for
a young player, and that's that's what Ben's going through.
And he's still a very very young player, and his
future is still way out in front of him, and
we're excited to see what he can do with added,

(01:24:21):
you know, opportunity this year.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I think that's a fascinating comment because it's a little
bit of a challenge to Ben Dick Matheren or message
to him, not as a knock on him, and I
think that Chad Buchanan made sure to clarify that it's
not a knock. But one of the things about Benedict
Mathern's it's not his personality. I'm not saying that, but

(01:24:46):
Benedict Matherin, who is a very talented player and a
very confident player and more than anything else, a very
competitive player. But Bennickmatherin's strong suit is a basketb is
a more independently based suit. It is a more isolation

(01:25:06):
based skill set. And there were times last year in particular,
that when Matherin came in, everything kind of ground to
a halt because if the ball went to him, it
didn't stay within the flow what they were doing. That
is not a knock on him, that's just the reality
of at times Benedict Matherin was an F one P

(01:25:28):
fifty when you were actually in wide open interstate space
and everybody else was running like a Ferrari. That's the
bad analogy side of the medicine. That's a fellow playing
the vacuum cleaner for fish. And apparently people found that

(01:25:50):
to be music. But I do think it's interesting though,
when he says it needs to be within the frame,
because I think last year what you saw in the finals,
we saw the best and the worst of Benedict Matherin
in back to back games. He saved them a game.
There's no doubt about it. Game three, Benedict Matherin, I
think it was Game three Benedict Matherin was the one

(01:26:11):
that delivered them a win. He came in and he
got to the free throw line and he was aggressive
and it was fabulous. But he also then turned around
and in game four when they had the seven point lead,
and he came in and he got two off ball
fouls and he missed several free throws and Benedict taketh Bendic,
you know, give it Benedict, take it away. I mean

(01:26:33):
there was a little bit of that. And for him
to say, it's like Chad Buchanan was basically letting his
subconscious speak there in the form of we need it.
We need him to better play within the parameters of
what we are and who we are. We need him
to understand the the better mix in mesh of the

(01:26:59):
style in which we are playing. And I think there's
a yin and yang there that, by his own admission,
they are still navigating through to figure out that fair balance.
But I think you could hear right there that there
still was the back of the mind presence of we're
still figuring out whether or not that is a style

(01:27:21):
that can benefit us.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
You think the style that they're you know, discussing more physical,
a little bit slower, can benefit him, And yes, it
is to benefit him mainly.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
What is Here's the thing. It is out of necessity
because now without Halliburton.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Yeah, because there's no one to one replacement for Tarrese.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
And without Turner, you now have to shift your offensive
focus to one a being Siakam, which it always kind
of was. But Siakam is a low post isolation player.
And then if you don't have Burton and if you
don't have Turner obviously, and you know that this year
is about the development and the being able to see

(01:28:07):
what you have in Jeris Walker and Benedict Mathern, because
you already are going down to Siakam a lot and
that's going to lead to a lot of isolation on
the post. That means that you can slow down the
game to truly assess what those two guys are. And
also I think it means that if those other two
guys that we mentioned were actually returning, then we're maybe

(01:28:30):
not even having this conversation because it's not as relevant.
But that's what this year is going to be about.
Stephanie White joins us next, I feel like we've regressed
in the musical selections, you know what I mean? Like
I feel like we had this great common ground in
the beginning with acts, and then with each week the
music that we've allowed coach Stephanie White to pick for us,

(01:28:51):
we've regressed. So it makes me wonder what the next
one would be. I mean, how close are we getting
now to like Milli Vanilli? Pretty close? Right, she joins us.
Now on the program, Fever and Action. Tonight it is
Game three of the WNBA Playoffs with Las Vegas coach.
How are you?

Speaker 11 (01:29:11):
I'm good? How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Did you like Milli Vanilli? I'm well, thank you? Did
you like Milli Vanilli?

Speaker 11 (01:29:16):
I wasn't really a Milli vanill fan though.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Yeah, I'm gonna say that's a little before your time, admittedly,
but a little bit Okay. I want to begin with
this and before we get into and there's plenty to
talk about and get to. Uh. And I know that
you talked about it obviously, you know, answered some questions
it publicly did. But I wanted to give you the
opportunity here because since we last talked to you, you know,
we know of the passing of Nancy Leonard, who was

(01:29:41):
just an absolute pillar in terms of sports in this town,
clearly in basketball in this town. And I would assume
that you had plenty of interaction with but just your
overall thoughts on the loss of Nancy Leonard.

Speaker 12 (01:29:53):
Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right, a pillar of sports
and a pillar of this franchise, and you know, especially
you know from a from a female perspective as well,
the leadership, the vision, the commitment, it just you know,
someone of her stature who we have had the pleasure

(01:30:13):
of standing on the shoulders of you know, and now
I think responsibility to continue the legacy, you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Know, the I thought about this stepping in and I
want your thought on this. I oftentimes when you think
about Nancy Leonard, one of the narratives, of course is
you know, this this female athletic, this female pioneer in sports,
because it was such the anomaly right to have an
assistant general manager that was a woman back in those

(01:30:42):
times as the Pacers were transitioning from the ABA into
the NBA. And while I understand the relevance of pointing
out her gender because of the anomaly of that, then
the more I thought about it, the more I thought,
but it wasn't necessarily even about that. It was just
about the fact of being a leader, regardless of you

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know what I mean, because she she kind of transcended
through that into simply face of the franchise, if you will. Now,
is that is that selling short or is that discrediting
the things that she may have had to overcome earlier
in her career.

Speaker 12 (01:31:20):
Yeah, I mean, I think that when we look at
it from today's viewpoint, we can look at it like that,
but I do think it's it's short selling what she
had to overcome to be in that position.

Speaker 11 (01:31:33):
You know, certainly, I think we still.

Speaker 12 (01:31:34):
Have a long way to go in terms of women
in sport, especially women in what have traditionally been male
sport dominate the areas. And you know that, I think
about this organization, Nancy Leonard, think about the drafting of
Anne Myers, and the way that this franchise has embraced

(01:31:57):
women in leadership position, in the way that women have
been at the fore front of change, and starting certainly
with with Nancy Leonard, and then the commitment to continuing
to see the vision unfold. And I think from a
leadership standpoint, yes, leadership and sport, leadership and community, you know,

(01:32:18):
understanding how to break barriers. And you know, we say
it all the time in women's sports that if you
can see it, you can be it.

Speaker 11 (01:32:24):
And she was one of.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
The first the Fever in action tonight taking on Las
Vegas game number three. Let's talk about game number two
in the fact that and when I looked at that game,
it seemed to me to be one and it was
interesting because you guys had a couple of different periods
where you made runs coaching that game. But at the
same time, it seemed like there was a more passive

(01:32:48):
approach to it than in game one. Game one, it
was like they came out and said, you know, there
was we're taking this game right. There was just a
will there that seemed to drop a little bit in
game two. Am I being too critical? And I there?

Speaker 11 (01:33:00):
Oh, I think you're right.

Speaker 12 (01:33:01):
You know, I think some of it had to do
with with how Las Vegas came out in game one
and in game two. In game two, they certainly came
out like a team who's won multiple championships, who understood
what it meant to be there, who had a desperation
about them, as they should have and as we should have.
In game one, you know, certainly you don't want to
come back to Indiana in a position where you're down.

Speaker 11 (01:33:21):
O two, I think you saw their.

Speaker 12 (01:33:24):
Experience come through.

Speaker 11 (01:33:25):
You know, we've got a group.

Speaker 12 (01:33:26):
That's really not been through this before in terms of
our core group, and I think you saw a little
bit of lack of experience in terms of mentality, what
it takes consistently and there's no substitute for experience understanding
the urgency of the moment, understanding that not just every
step that you take in the playoffs, but every game
moving forward in the playoffs requires a different version of

(01:33:50):
yourself and your team. Sense of urgency continues to go up,
you know, desperation, not the reckless desperation, but desperation in
terms of understanding how important every play, every possession, every
loose ball, uh, you know, every box out, every coverage
is and and you.

Speaker 11 (01:34:05):
Know this this we got.

Speaker 12 (01:34:06):
Knocked in the mouth and we didn't have a response.
We had our moments, like you said, where we could,
but it was it was a little bit of a
of a mirror image of Game two. You know, we
came out the aggressor and then they were a little
bit on their heels and they made some runs and
we were able to make runs of our own to
extend and in Game two, they did what they were
supposed to do, you know, and now fortunately for us,
we're back home.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
You know, when I look at this year in the WNBA,
and there are wonderful players across the WNBA, and obviously,
you know, you see one of the best in Las Vegas,
right and Asia Wilson. But this year and I know
that not everybody can win an award. Kelsey Mitchell is
the most valuable player of the WNBA When I look
at just what's happened this year and all and really

(01:34:48):
and I think I say that, coach, because of the
different roles over the course of a year she has
had to fill at different periods, depending on what it
was you guys needed. It seems to me like she's
been able to fill each and every void that has
been asked of her. At what point this year did
you see in her perhaps even that elevation of game

(01:35:08):
to the point and she's been a great player. I
don't mean that she didn't have that to begin with,
but when did you see this year where you thought,
to yourself, this is another level for her.

Speaker 12 (01:35:18):
I mean, I think I think at various points, but certainly,
you know when there was when we were at Chicago.
We were at Chicago, I.

Speaker 11 (01:35:26):
Know we were without Caitlin.

Speaker 12 (01:35:28):
I can't remember, you know who else was was not
playing at that moment when we were playing at the
United Center, and she just took over the ball game
in the second half, you know, in in Connecticut when
she just took over the You know, she has these
moments where she just can take over the ball game.
And and and then when we lose you know, Sophie,
who was kind of our third, fourth backup point guard,

(01:35:50):
and then we asked her to start playing a little
bit more primary ball handler, more point guard. And this
is this comes with more decision making, it comes with
more facilitating, it comes with more responsibility. And she just
continued to get better and continued to shoulder that responsibility
and elevate her game from that standpoint. And then as
we headed into the playoffs, the position that that she'd

(01:36:11):
only been in, you know, last year for the first
time in her career, and her leadership really started to
come through and her hold taking you know, accountability and
holding one another accountable, her communication just just different different
areas that she's continued to grow. I mean, she's always
been a great player, and she's always been a terrific
score and I think that at various points this year,

(01:36:31):
and certainly as we've made this playoff run, you've seen
her playmaking and her leadership.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Steph, how has your relationship with Kelsey grown from when
you were hired, When you started out trying to convince
her to come back to the Indian and Fever to
now where she has been. She arguably has been one
of the best players in a season in the Fever history.
This year.

Speaker 12 (01:36:51):
I mean, our relationship has continued to grow. You know,
I know that she knows how much I believe in her,
how much I trust her. Know I could speak from
from the outside and when I when we were trying
to bring her back, just just how excited I would
would be to coach her, and how much we want
to put her in positions to be successful and put
her in positions to do some things with this franchise

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that that that she hadn't done and we hadn't done.

Speaker 11 (01:37:15):
In a long time.

Speaker 12 (01:37:16):
And you know, I think that she knows that I
trust her, and I do and I trust her as well.
I mean, she is just The thing about Kelsey Mitchell
is that she just wants to play ball.

Speaker 6 (01:37:26):
Man.

Speaker 12 (01:37:26):
She is just somebody who just loves the game. You know,
she doesn't get caught up and and and all of
the things you know that that are a part of
of being a basketball player in this league. She just
wants to hoop and that she's the ultimate competitor in
in that way. And you know, we've continued to layer
things for her, and and so I think her trust
in in in us, and certainly our trust in her

(01:37:48):
has just continued to grow. But I absolutely love her.
I mean, she is one of the best human beings around.
She is one of the hardest workers you know, that
I've ever been around, and she is one of the
ultimate competitors.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
By the way, when's the last time you just hooped? Like,
when's the last time you just went out and played?

Speaker 13 (01:38:04):
Huh?

Speaker 12 (01:38:05):
I don't know, Jake, what like twenty years ago. Maybe
it's been a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
I mean, honestly, like do you do you ever just
pick up a ball and like nobody's around, You're like,
you know what, I'm just gonna put up one hundred
fifty shots.

Speaker 12 (01:38:17):
I'll put up some shots. I don't think it's one
hundred and fifty anymore. And every once in a while
I would go out there with the kids, but now
they're getting too big and strong, so I'm not trying
to get hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Well just wait, wait, like wait till you're my age.
And then all of a sudden you're like, oh my gosh,
Like I think I told you I was playing pick
up ball. And this is probably eight years ago. And
I go for a routine putback I've done a thousand times,
and just when I'm about to basically lay it back in,
this young buck comes up. I look over and I
see like knees elevating above me. For a I'm like,
that's it. You know what I mean, that's it.

Speaker 11 (01:38:47):
You just done?

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
You know, you know when you got to be done? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:38:50):
Yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
I don't know why or where this came about this
in this postseason run, coach, but I've seen a lot
in the last couple of days of people saying, wait
a minute, there's this weird language within the WNBA rules
of when a player's out that they're still eligible in
the postseason, and that means that Caitlin Clark can still play,
especially if they get in the finals, et cetera, et cetera.

(01:39:14):
Your thoughts on that, I.

Speaker 12 (01:39:16):
Don't know anything about that language. I haven't had one
thought on that. I have not seen anything about that.
So it's the first time I'm hearing it, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:39:26):
But no, I mean, Kaitlin.

Speaker 12 (01:39:28):
Clark is out.

Speaker 11 (01:39:29):
Kayln Clark is again.

Speaker 12 (01:39:31):
Priority long term health and wellness, making sure that she's
ready to go and ready to be healthy for our
team a year from now, well not a year from now,
but for next season.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Correct, So she is. There is no situation where she
would play in the remainder of this year, regardless of
how many games are left.

Speaker 12 (01:39:47):
Well, I mean, I cannot foresee. I don't like to
use the words always and never, but there's not a
situation that I could could absolutely foresee.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Fair Somebody asked me this question, which I think is
a good one. And I know that there's still basketball
have to be played, and I want to get into,
you know, before we let you go about tonight, what
things we might anticipate. But I think it's a good question.
When you look at the number of players that you
have been able to utilize this year, and the players
that were not on the roster at the beginning of

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the year that have found themselves there now because of attrition,
is there one that jumps out of you where you
say to yourself, boy, if there's a way to keep
them long term and get them on the roster beyond
just this short window, I'd love to have it. Who
would that be?

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
Wow?

Speaker 11 (01:40:36):
I mean, you know, I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:40:38):
That's a that's a tough question, especially because pretty much,
you know, most people on our roster are going to
be free agents anyway. But you know, I think the
thing that we've that we've continued to learn, and I
think those of us who have been in this game
a long time, you know, know, is that you got
to stay ready so you don't have to get ready
right And you know, I think Odyssey Sims has been
a difference maker for us. When she's a of and

(01:41:01):
she's hunting, you know, shots and hunting opportunities at the rim,
we're a different team.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:41:05):
Shay Petty is the ultimate you know, leader teammate, you know,
guy who can come in and make an impact and
and and a player who can make an impact in
our locker room and on the sideline and aerial power
staym it's like her energy to be able to come
in at the point that she came in and really
impact our team in that way give us some things
that we needed we missed without the size that we
had on the perimeter. I mean, every single one of

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them has played a vital role in us getting to
the point you know that that we are.

Speaker 11 (01:41:32):
You know, I think it'd be tough to say if.

Speaker 12 (01:41:34):
There's one that you absolutely, you know, have to have
because they've all been so important to what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
How have you changed as a coach from the last time,
you know, over the just the course of it's hard
to believe that it was what ten years ago before
you came back to coach this franchise. When you look
at where you guys are now and some of the
things you've had to navigate, you've handled that differently now
than you would have said ten years ago in what way,
if at all?

Speaker 12 (01:42:00):
Well, I think number one, you know, life experience. You
understand that, uh, you got to play the hand that
you're dealt, number one. But number two, you know, maintain perspective,
keep it in perspective.

Speaker 11 (01:42:11):
So maybe ten.

Speaker 12 (01:42:14):
Years ago, you know, I would have been caught up
in in what we don't have instead of really reprising
and rethinking about what we do have and how we
can make that work.

Speaker 11 (01:42:23):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:42:23):
I think the other thing is is just learning that
that I have to adjust to what our team needs
from us, and whether that's you know, energy, whether that's
you know, being a being a hype man, whether that's
you know, as much as x's and o's, it's also
about presentation and production, and what they feel from me

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is what as much as what they see from me.
And so you know that different players need different things,
and so I think my ability to adjust and be
flexible to what they respond to as opposed to just
being rigid and how I do things, I think that
that's changed, and I think it impacts different players in
different ways, you know, And and certainly I think you

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know from my standpoint, learning what that is and and
and and it's been different at various points throughout the
year too, and being flexible and being able to adjust
to that. But I think more than anything, you know,
it's just understanding that that we've got to control what
we can control and how we put one foot in
front of the other and how we approach the day
to day in terms of putting the players that we
have on the floor in the position to be success

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be successful. And you know, maybe ten years ago I
might got I might have got caught up in some
of those things that we couldn't control and have not
been or would not have been able to lead a
group like this, uh in the way that I am now.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
And the response that you would like to see tonight
in terms of what's going to tell you early on
how the night's going to go would be what from
your team?

Speaker 12 (01:43:50):
I want to see it's be aggressive. I want to
see us attack of pain. I want to see us
get to the rim, get to the foul line. I
don't want to see hesitation and taking shots in decision making.

Speaker 11 (01:44:00):
I want to see you know, active.

Speaker 12 (01:44:01):
And aggressive, you know, dictating on the defensive end of
the floor. I want to see that energy. I want
to see that attention to detail. I want to see
that fire, competitive fire that our team has shown, you know,
all season long. Look, I mean the reality is the
pressures not on us, right like we I want them
to go out and I want them to play hard.
I want them to play together. I want them to
play free.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
It's pretty special, though, isn't it. I Mean, it's an
awesome night outside. It's a great sports calendar, it's a
great time in Indianapolis. Chad by Cannon talked yesterday about
the fact that winning has become contagious amongst the franchises
in this town and collegiately and everything else. It's going
to be a pretty big atmosphere down there tonight. I
know you've got to be excited about it.

Speaker 12 (01:44:38):
I'm absolutely excited. You know, this city has been waiting
a long time to have playoff games in our home
arena in the WNBA calendar and w NBA season, and
now being able to do it in the semi finals
is a huge opportunity.

Speaker 11 (01:44:51):
We know that they're gonna, they're going to show up,
We know that they're going.

Speaker 12 (01:44:53):
To show out, and we're gonna we're gonna lean on them,
you know, to give us that added edge, to give
us that added adrenaline tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
Coach step I appreciate it as always. We look forward
to talking to you again. All right. All right, that's
the luck to night, Coach Stephanie White. Game number three
tonight between the Fever and the Las Vegas Aces. And
you know, I think that's an important aspect of it,
just the aggression, you know, having to come out set
a tone early for the Fever and we shall see

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what happens with that. I think the same can be
said truthfully for the Colts coming up with the Rams.
We'll give our predictions, uh before we end the show,
and we hand it off to John on what we
think may happen there. We have not talked much about
the college slate of games. I think for Indiana, an
interesting matchup in Iowa just because of the fact that

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you know, you keep saying to yourself, Okay, well you know,
let's let's test Indiana this week. Maybe Illinois wasn't as
good as we thought. Let's see what happens now in
Iowa in a tough place to play at Kenning Stadium. Eddie,
I don't see with that group and the way they're playing,
and there's and it starts with Kurtti. I mean, it
really does. A year ago, you kept waiting for this

(01:46:05):
reality to kick in for Indiana before you finally it
finally came to the epiphany of maybe the reality is that,
in fact, this is who they are. They are this
good right and so, and they are you know, a
team that doesn't shoot themselves in the foot. And it
wasn't until you got into and I realize at Ohio State,

(01:46:30):
you know that game, although I thought in the first
half they looked pretty strong, and then obviously Ohio State
just the overall depth of Ohio State pulled away the
Notre Dame game. I think Notre Dame probably could have
won that even more handling than they did, but keep
in mind, I think that was the closest college football
playoff game that took place. But you know that the
way that Signetti carries that team, you want to talk

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about aggressive, that's kind of what they are.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
They come out and they they get after you, but
then they just do not let up, and before you
know what, you're down seventeen. You're world hurt. There's no
reason to believe that that confidence doesn't continue in Iowa.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
It's the level of preparation throughout the course of the
week in the business and professional approach that Kurt Signetty
has that results in his team's being so successful. Yeah,
he doesn't put up with any bs. It makes sure
to buy into every single player. He coaches every single
player throughout the course of the weekend, even if they're
in these blowout games like they were to start the

(01:47:28):
season and against Illinois, there's always something that he finds
to coach, whether you're a starter, whether you're a backup,
and he's going to make sure that every single thing
is discussed and every single thing is prepared for throughout
the course of the weekend. This week will be a
bit of a different test for them. In comparison, to
Illinois just because of how gritty and tough and physical

(01:47:50):
Iowa is. I You struggled at points last year with
just overall physicality in those two losses that you mentioned
between Ohio State and Notre Dame. So this could be
a solitize for as they prepare to take on Oregon
after the bye week. So that is the one thing
that's good for i U is that Oregon doesn't follow
this game, so it can't be considered the quote unquote
trap game. So they can go out take care of

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business against Iowa, have a week off to study some
extra film on the Ducks, and then be prepared to
go out.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
West produce taking on Idaho Lower East. So they will
be back in action next week. Let me see what
they got after Idaho Lower East. Illinois pretty taken on
Illinois next week. They're on a bye week this week.
Idle as they used I don't know if they still
do that. It used to be at the bottommeter screen
when they would roll the scores and if a team

(01:48:38):
was off, instead of BUYE, it would say idle.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
When ESPN does their top I think they do like
a top ten graphic on like the Saturday Night game
on ABC, and if one of those top ten teams
is not playing, it's his idol.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
It does, say idle, it does, okay, and then no
to adame taken on Arkansas. I was surprised by this.
The most surprising thing to me about Notre Dame and Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
What is the spread for that game? That's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
It's in Arkansas, right, yese too, and so they all
say down there during the games. I'm going to guess, boy,
that's a good question. What's the spread? We're gonna test
and see how strong I am on my Jimmy the
Greek skills here, I'm gonna say Notre Dame by seven

(01:49:25):
and a half. Boy, I have no idea. So if
I'm way off, just tell me you're a field goal
off ten and a half, four and a half. Okay, Yeah,
I have no idea.

Speaker 6 (01:49:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
Here's what's interesting to me. Number one, I was stunned
to see these two teams have never played. I would
have guessed for certain, you know, like in the early
seventies and the Cotton Bowl they would have played or
you know whatever. Right, But I think the thing Arkansas
is tricky. I was talking about this with Jason Hammer
because he's a big ten A Sea fan, and they've

(01:50:01):
got Mississippi State this weekend, and I was saying, you know,
the interesting thing about an Arkansas is that sometimes Arkansas
can be tricky for a Tennessee or a Georgia or
an Alabama or a Texas because when they've got Arkansas
on their schedule, it's surrounded by a Tennessee or an

(01:50:24):
Alabama or a Georgia or a Texas. So you kind
of overlook Arkansas and they're not They're not incompetent, right,
I mean, it's a decent program. Decent now they got
new coach. I think they have a new coach.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
No, Sam Pittman still there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Okay, I'm sorry. Mississippi State is the one that has
a new coach. We're talking about Missipi State as well.
But but when you look at Arkansas for not tre Dame,
who they do have a better schedule this year than
in most years. And it's not their fault that Boise
States I think a little down. But this game's kind
of been one of them that's jumped out at you
on their schedule of you know, yes, they had the

(01:50:59):
big two to start out with the two games able
with with Miami and A and M but then they
were well aware of Arkansas. So I don't know that
you overlook Arkansas like you like some of the SEC
teams kind of do. And that's where Arkansas can sneak
up and be dangerous for you. It's a tough place
to play, and I don't know much about the way
they play this year, but I do think that the

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Irish are very very good. And I mean that's I'm
stating the obvious here. They're a top twenty five team
even with those two losses. I just I think they
have they have two, not one, but two dynamic backs
that if they get a lead, they just become tough
to play against.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
You're talking about, yeah, which Darien Price and Jeremiah Love.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
And Price has been to this point, I think more
dynamic than Love. Love has been such a good back
over the course of his time there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
Well, I think there's just so much focus on whenever
Jeremiah Loves in the game, like that is the one
guy you cannot.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
Let You're right. But Price, though Eddie his ability he
had a run, Price did against do where his ability
to cut and immediately pop to the outside. To me,
I was like, Okay, that guy is in fact different.
You know, I'm not saying I mean, love is a
you know what love is to Denian Price. Better play
at quarterback also than you would expect for a team

(01:52:15):
that has a quarterback that young.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Ja Darien Price has five rushing touchdowns on twenty seven carries.
Every fifth time he's carrying the football, he's in the end.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Zone, and some of those are I mean, like you know,
we're not talking like one yard plunging. He's averaging seven
yards of carry. Marion and Indiana Wesley and that's at
one oh five I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Tomorrow that's a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
That is a big one over at Ascension Saint Vincent
Field Marion on the near west side and Indiana Wesley
and has had their number. I mean they've beaten him
four times in a row. And that's that's a matchup
of two teams both ranked within the top twenty in
their division. Where is you, Indy this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
That's a great question.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
I'm looking it up right now. Did you go to
a lot of get you did the games right? Did
you call the games and you were there?

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
I sure did?

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
They are they have a conference game obviously that goes
without saying right, I'm pulling it up right now. Your
you Indie Greyhounds. You're kind of disappointing me here as I.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Love I love this press box and I love that stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
They are in Truman, Kirksville, Missouri. You would assume that
Truman would be named after who, Eddie h I don't know, Jake,
you tell me. I'm going to assume that would be
Harry S. Truman since he was from Independence, Missouri and
this is in Kirksville, Missouri, which I believe is the
Saint Louis area. I think, Yes, am I correct, Yes,
you're correct, But I'm going to assume that Truman is

(01:53:39):
named after Harry S. Truman, and the s I believe
is just s. Pretty sure there's no middle name there.
For what that's worth. That is two thirty tomorrow and
the Hound's coming in off a forty seven nineteen win
over McKendree.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
They was a homecoming game for three and one.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
Were you there? I was not refered.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
No, not this year, really, not this year. Now two
years in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
They somebody asked if you would be honored at homecoming?
They said, nah, he'd probably get too big headed, and
they said, well, obviously he's already gone through that once.
Isn't that what happened there? Yeah, it is a Friday.
It is approaching the bottom of the two o'clock hour.
You know what that means. It means time for a
feel good, good for the heart Friday from Franciscan Health.
Forty nine dollars heart scan. I actually just had my

(01:54:25):
blood pressure taken. I used to do this daily. I'm
always uncomfortable with the tightness on the cuff, to be
honest with you, but got back into the swing of
doing it daily. And I know that all of us
have a general idea what those numbers mean. But also
if you are experiencing issue with blood pressure, what can
be done aside from just say medication that might be

(01:54:48):
able to help out your blood pressure And just how
important is it. We're going to have that discussion coming
up in just a minute, but a reminder again forty
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is the first step towards It's that piece of mind
when it comes to your heart and making sure that
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if you're over the age of forty, if you've dealt

(01:55:08):
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Obviously you've got the appointment time and then get in there.
But it is not a hard thing to do, and
with it comes a peace of mind. And with each
and every heart scan from Franciscan you get a heart

(01:55:31):
health risk assessment, which is important as well. Gives you
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and then you get kind of a roadmap on your
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Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
You can't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
I can't remember. Yeah, that's why you can always go
to Franciscanhealth dot org, slash screening bundles or simply google
heartscin and Franciscan. It's that simple but important conversation about
those numbers that can be a little bit tricky. Next, Hey,
it's a Friday, bottom of the two o'clock hour, and
you know what that means. It is time for a

(01:56:14):
Franciscan Health feel good good for the Heart Friday that
we do on the program, and we also in that
capacity talk with different members from Franciscan Health about heart health.
And this is I think today a really important conversation
with doctor Stephen Cook that we're going to have here,
who is a non invasive cardiologist with Franciscan Health, and
because we're talking about something that really I think impacts

(01:56:36):
and is relatable to, at least by term about everybody.
When you talk about blood pressure and everybody knows, yeah, okay, Jake,
I go to the doctor and they put that thing
in my arm and it's uncomfortable for a minute, and
then I get my blood pressure. But what exactly does
it mean? And when do you know that you might
be in a danger zone. We'll get to that and
more with doctor Stephen Cook, who joins us on the show. Doctor,

(01:56:57):
how are you?

Speaker 6 (01:56:59):
I'm doing great, Jake, Thanks thanks for asking.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
H I want to begin with this. I think all
of us know that when our blood pressure is taken,
it gives two numbers, and oftentimes one of those numbers
seems to be more important than the other, and we
want to make sure they're not too high. But I
don't know that many of us really truly understand what
is being measured in Layman terms. For those of us

(01:57:22):
that had to take algebra seven times, can you explain
what blood pressure exactly is that you're looking for?

Speaker 6 (01:57:28):
Absolutely?

Speaker 13 (01:57:28):
Yeah, just to put it in you know, Layman's terms
or in general terminology. You know, blood pressure is simply
the force of blood pressure or blood pushing against the
walls of the arteries or the vessels in our body.
And you know this is just a really simple indicator

(01:57:50):
of our overall cardiovascular or our heart health.

Speaker 6 (01:57:55):
And looking at those two.

Speaker 13 (01:57:56):
Numbers, right, there's a top number and a bottom number.
At top number, we're talking about systolic pressure. This is
the pressure when our heart is contracting, and that bottom
number we refer to as diastolic pressure, and that's the
pressure when our heart is relaxing.

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
And that gives us a lot of information when people.

Speaker 13 (01:58:15):
Are just even walking through the door into the cardiology clinic.

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
Dumb question, But is one of those two numbers more
important than the other or are we looking essentially at
a fifty to fifty level of importance in terms of
the reading.

Speaker 13 (01:58:29):
No, I would say both those numbers give us a
lot of equal information from both numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
Okay, And with that, doctor, let's begin with this for
those that are experiencing high blood pressure. And you know,
we're looking at it and saying, man, you know, I
need to make sure this number is lower. I think
obviously we know that, you know, not smoking would be
the first thing that one would want. But what are
the little things that maybe people don't even realize that

(01:58:57):
they can be doing to help their blood pressure? That
is an everyday thing that many people are unaware of.

Speaker 6 (01:59:05):
Yeah, I mean, so really simple things that we can do, right.

Speaker 13 (01:59:12):
I. You know, I always tell patients who have a
history of high blood pressure or are newly diagnosed with
blood pressure, even simple exercise, right. And what I like
about exercise It also helps us to lose weight. And
those are two really important things that kind of can
help us reduce our blood pressure. And there are patients

(01:59:33):
that you know, young patients, young adults that really don't
want to be taking medications or maybe there are other
adults that are on many medications and don't want to
add another medication to their regimen.

Speaker 6 (01:59:45):
So you know, even simple.

Speaker 13 (01:59:46):
Exercise jogging are really effective in lowering blood pressures. And
even I think about people who you know, sit all
day at their job. You know, even lower intensity actual
like walking that may interrupt their sedentary time throughout the
day can help them, you know, reduce that blood pressure.

(02:00:07):
Other things that are helpful. Looking at how much salt
you take in through the day. You know, the average
American takes in about three point four grams of sodium
or salt per day.

Speaker 6 (02:00:18):
This is terrible. Salt and water are.

Speaker 13 (02:00:21):
Best friends, and that increased water increases your blood pressure.
So again, look at how much salt you're taking in.
These are simple, simple things to do. Exercise, losing weight,
watching your salt intake. Those are just simple things that
we could all be kind of, you know, thoughtful about
during our day to day activities.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
What is a good target range and has that number
you know, with some things, doctor, the as advancements go
on or as time goes on, perhaps the measuring sticks
are what we think is a safe range. You know,
at one period, maybe twenty years later that does change.
Has there been an evolution in terms of blood pressure

(02:00:59):
of target numbers? Are we pretty static in terms of
what are considered to be the ideal blood pressure measuring?

Speaker 6 (02:01:07):
Yeah, I'll tell you something.

Speaker 13 (02:01:08):
These guidelines blood pressure guidelines for the prevention and evaluation
and management for high blood pressure or hypertension are constantly
under revision. They were just published or edited again just
a month ago, okay, and they're getting stricter and stricter.

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So the definition of normal blood pressure is less than
one twenty over eighty and even elevations in blood pressure
is now between that top number one twenty to one
twenty nine. Patients who have stage one high blood pressure,
what we call stage one hypertension is now defined as

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a top number of one thirty to one thirty nine
and that bottom number or a diastolic blood pressure.

Speaker 6 (02:01:57):
Of eighty to eighty nine.

Speaker 13 (02:02:00):
And patients with really high blood pressure, what we define
now is stage two is that top number or systolic
blood pressure greater than one point forty and a diostolic
blood pressure greater than ninety. And so we use these
different categories to help us our primary care doctors cardiologists
to define who really would benefit from blood pressure.

Speaker 6 (02:02:23):
Medications. So it's getting more and more strict today.

Speaker 1 (02:02:26):
Doctor Stephen Cook is our guest. He is a cardiologist
with Franciscan Health. We're talking about blood pressure. Doctor. If
your heart had eyes and it could see your plate
as your let's say you've got a big glass of water,
and your heart's happy about that. Your heart is happiest
when it sees from a blood pressure standpoint. It looks
down at the plate and it sees you about to
eat something, and the heart rejoices because it knows the

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blood pressure is going to read out a good number
because you are ingesting on the regular basis what.

Speaker 13 (02:02:55):
Yeah, So if I had to choose, you know, so
if I have a patient with pretty high blood pressure, sure,
you know one of the things that we would recommend.

Speaker 6 (02:03:05):
Obviously, first it's going to be a low salt or.

Speaker 13 (02:03:07):
A low sodium diet, a diet that is actually low
in fat, high in fruits and vegetables, and a higher
protein diet. This can really remodel that patient to kind
of have a lower blood pressure. The other thing that
I recommend, this is really difficult to do, is limiting your.

Speaker 6 (02:03:27):
Alcohol intake as well.

Speaker 13 (02:03:29):
And this is recommended by both the CDC and the
American Heart Association. For women, it's drinking, you know, less
than one drink per day, and for men, drinking less
than two alcoholic beverages a day. Now, let me clarify this.
This is really for our audience. This is for what
is an alcoholic beverage. For beer, it's less than twelve ounces.

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For wine that's five ounces, and for distilled spirits that's
one point five ounces. This is really minimizing your alcohol
intake and that should show you or demonstrate to all
of us, how significant alcohol can increase our blood pressure.

Speaker 1 (02:04:06):
Okay, and then what about I'm going to ask a
couple of things doctor that I've heard can be good
for your heart and for blood pressure. And I want
you to tell me fact, fiction or indifferent. Is that fair?

Speaker 6 (02:04:18):
You got it?

Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
Okay? Yogurt, so that is fact.

Speaker 6 (02:04:22):
That's excellent for high blood pressure in your diet. Okay, oatmeal,
I would also say fact for that as well.

Speaker 1 (02:04:31):
Okay, this one is not necessarily my favorite, but I've
heard it, and I'm curious. Beat juice, I'll.

Speaker 6 (02:04:38):
Go with fact.

Speaker 4 (02:04:39):
Fact.

Speaker 6 (02:04:40):
There's some ant so beats is antioxidants. So that's going
to be good for.

Speaker 13 (02:04:44):
Your overall cardiovascular out as well.

Speaker 1 (02:04:47):
Any role in terms of you know, obviously, if somebody
has found out that they have high blood pressure, are
there times doctor where you find that it is strictly
genetic with somebody and the odds are just stacked against you,
and then it becomes even more important to make sure
that you are adhering to everything we're talking about.

Speaker 13 (02:05:05):
Yeah, you know, there's probably you know, you'll have patients
that you'll meet where you'll take a history and they'll
say to you, you know, both my mom and dad
had high blood pressure, my sisters and brothers have high
blood pressure. So in that scenario, you're certain there's got
to be an underlying genetic component to this as well.
So I would be remiss if I did not take

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a family history, because you may find out that there's
really nothing else going on. Or you'll meet a younger patient,
somebody in their twenties or thirties, and they just come
in with this very resistant, difficult to treat high blood
pressure and then you find out, wow, everyone in their
family has high blood pressure as well, So very important
to take a family history.

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
Okay, before we let you go doctor Stephen Cook is
our guest. He's a cardiologist at Franciscan Health, and we're
talking about blood pressure a couple of other things here.
Number one, and that is somebody that may be experiencing
a problem with high blood pressure but doesn't necessarily know it.
You know, they have that silent killer within them because

(02:06:07):
they're not getting their blood pressure checked. Are there symptoms
that may tell them in fact, this is something that
they need to take a look towards.

Speaker 13 (02:06:15):
Yeah, this is tricky, right because you bring up a
really good point that this has always been described as
the silent killer because most of us have had high
blood pressure and we we don't recognize these symptoms, you know.

Speaker 6 (02:06:28):
So there can be some subtle symptoms, whether.

Speaker 13 (02:06:31):
Or not it's chronic headaches, fatigue, shortness of breath.

Speaker 6 (02:06:38):
Some patients can.

Speaker 13 (02:06:39):
Show up with chest pain, as you know, their first
symptoms for more poorly controlled high blood pressure and shortness
of breath may come along those lines as well.

Speaker 6 (02:06:50):
So those may be some more.

Speaker 13 (02:06:54):
Symptoms that are present for long standing hypertension that needs
to be addressed by either your primary care doctor or
if the primary care doctor wants to refer to cardiology.
Now patients can show up with hypertensive emergencies where they
show up with real severe headaches with confusion, chest pain
and tightness and weakness. So those are some really alarm

(02:07:14):
signals to really look.

Speaker 6 (02:07:15):
Up for as well.

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
Once somebody goes on medication, if in fact it gets
that point, Let's say they you know, they have those symptoms,
they go in, they find out they have high blood pressure,
they go onto a medication, I know, their medications for this.
Does the does the medication just regulate somebody to the
point where things are stabilized and then they go off
the medication or more often than not, is medication a

(02:07:36):
long term thing?

Speaker 13 (02:07:39):
Yeah, I would think for most patients, medications become more
of a long term, a long term issue. I think that,
and patients become better controlled once they're on medications and
often feel better.

Speaker 6 (02:07:53):
I think that if patients.

Speaker 13 (02:07:54):
You know, we see a lot of people on weight
loss drugs today, you know, will go VI triseeppetite, ozembic,
things like that. If you have a patient who has
a dramatic improvement in their lifestyle changes, whether it's through
exercise or weight loss, and then you see them back
about six to twelve months later and their blood pressure
is now approaching those great what I call green light

(02:08:15):
goals one twenty over eighty. That's when you can have
a good shared decision making discussion with your patient to say,
should I start reducing.

Speaker 6 (02:08:24):
These medications because you can see patients really have dramatic improvements.

Speaker 13 (02:08:29):
As long as you have close monitoring of those patients
with their outpatient blood pressure monitoring, I think it is
reasonable to start with drawing drugs in the approachiate in
the appropriate setting.

Speaker 1 (02:08:40):
Just remember this, folks as you're listening to doctor Stephen Cook.
If you were deciding to cook tonight for dinner or
over the course of this weekend, First and foremost, make
sure that you are reduced in the amount of sodium
that you're putting into your food. That's the most important thing.
Plenty of water and then everything else that we talked
about in terms of those dietary things as well. Let
meet your alcohol and no small looking et cetera. Doctor,

(02:09:01):
It is all great information. It is stuff I think
that resonates with a lot of people and it's a
very important discussion. So I appreciate your time today in
sharing with us everything about hypertension. Certainly have a good weekend.
All right.

Speaker 6 (02:09:13):
Oh it's my pleasure you too.

Speaker 1 (02:09:15):
Doctor Stephen Cook not invasive cardiologist for friends, Ciscan Health
much appreciated. All right, we come back. We will give
you our score predictions. We will also do the Love
Heating and Air Love Dash hvac dot Com crossover handed
off to John. We'll do it all on the other side.
Here quiring company on a Friday, Berenger's Tavern is where
you will find John. It is time for the crossover chat,

(02:09:37):
brought to you by the good guys at Love Heating
and Air Love Dash hvac dot Com. He just heard
me talking them up. They are the very best an
official Hell Heating and Cooling dealer. John, huge weekend in sports,
and I know you're gonna have a lot of fun
talking about it over the next couple of hours. What's
lined up on the big show?

Speaker 5 (02:09:53):
No, we got Don Fisher, a voice of the Hoosiers,
on this way to Iowa City on his birthday today. Yeah,
I think Don? Yeah? Don is I think thirty years old?
Because the dude looks thirty years old. Nothing's pissed me
off over the years more than Don Fisher's looks Jake, honestly,
you know what I mean, you know what, the guy
doesn't age.

Speaker 1 (02:10:13):
I'm going to tell you something. It's very uncomfortable. Okay, Yes,
Don Fisher has great calves. For me to say that,
what you know? You know what.

Speaker 5 (02:10:23):
Here's the thing, though, I think I have great calves too,
So I don't feel that way. I'm just his looks
as that's everybody sees that like I think. I think
mike calves are pretty solid. Jake, to be cooling honest
with you, all right, I'm impressed with my own calves.
But no, but no, you look at him and then
the dude doesn't age, right, But happy birthday to Don Fisher.
He's going to join us. I think Mike Wells is

(02:10:45):
going to return. I have no idea where that dude's
been for the last two months, but he's going to
resurface Jake later on today and we get the high
school college football schedule. Coult stuff Joel a ericson to
the Star. Heygen's going to be here. I've got Raiders tickets.
Have you ever been to Beringers? This is right up
your alley. I know that Shannon would love this place,

(02:11:07):
would love it.

Speaker 2 (02:11:07):
She would.

Speaker 1 (02:11:09):
I have not been there. Enlighten me.

Speaker 5 (02:11:13):
Oh it's well. I mean, you know, Dillinger, you drank here.
You know there's the word that Capone did. It has
a sign out there that says, you know, the last
spot to eat or drink or whatever. He're out front.
I mean, this is been around here forever since seventy nine. Yeah,
eighteen seventy nine, I think so. I think lor Ingalls
Wilder rolled through here once upon a time, half pint

(02:11:36):
and had at of her own yea. Albert, Yeah, okay, Albert.
Albert talked with a list, been here.

Speaker 12 (02:11:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:11:44):
They were strategizing how to get back at Nelly about something.

Speaker 4 (02:11:47):
Yees.

Speaker 5 (02:11:48):
Honestly, Albert didn't have a list. He just had his
nose stuff full of cotton or something all the time. Awesome,
Albert aur I always talk like this, Hey, Paul and
I go kad lord man, blow your nose. Brothers, come
on on.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
Albert, job, what happens on Sunday in Los Angeles?

Speaker 5 (02:12:05):
The Colts lose? What do you think you like that?
You know what they lose on Sunday?

Speaker 1 (02:12:09):
It's hard to argue that. But then I keep going
back on it, and I'm like, you know what They're
three and zer at this point, and I'm not overly
impressed with who the Rams have beaten. And I think
the Colts. If the Colts don't turn the ball over,
I think the Colts win. I'm going twenty four to
twenty three. Colts, Am I nuts.

Speaker 5 (02:12:22):
Well to know you're not, because they haven't turned the
ball over like at all, So you're right. If you
do the thank you keV. If you do that, then
you're going to end up winning that game. I just
think I thought what we saw for the Rams last
week with that bad beat, I thought what we saw
from them is one of the better teams certainly in
the NFC, even in a road lost to Philadelphia right then,

(02:12:44):
and can dominate that name.

Speaker 4 (02:12:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:12:47):
Yeah, they going to a lot of backups in there.
They have some backups in the secondary as well, so
the coltsier can take advantage of it. But man, I
just think going off of that loss, the way that
went down last week in Southern California, I mean, we
know this to be true. I mean their fan base
is going to be about as excited as a toothache,
right Normally they don't have much of one out there.

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
Do they know it's all people from like that's what
I mean. Like, yeah, people in La Man, they're all
from elsewhere, right, So they're there to go see their
local team, you know, whoever is Peter Brady's favorite Peter
Brady's favorite team though Peter Brady. Actually I don't have
another shot out, But Peter Brady invited me next year
to in the Long Beach Race. Christopher and I invited
me to go to the Brady House with him to

(02:13:28):
have pork chops and applesauce. True story, are you.

Speaker 5 (02:13:31):
Guys going to go sing in the choir together and
be called the Canary Glee? Deacon Jones has to the
glee club, and then Deacon Jones has to defend you.

Speaker 4 (02:13:39):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:13:40):
And then afterwards, if we're really lucky, Joe Nama will
come over from my little brother and throw around in
the AstroTurf backyard.

Speaker 5 (02:13:46):
Yeah, can you imagine in that era, and they had
to fearsome, forceome back then. Merlin Olsen speaking of little
House in the Prairie was a part of that. But
Rosie Greer, Yeah, Rosie Greer, these guys all had he
would three of the four had major careers afterwards.

Speaker 4 (02:14:03):
I know, that.

Speaker 5 (02:14:03):
But here's what's interesting about it. The head slap was
what Deacon Jones had is his signature move. Can you
imagine how incredibly illegal that would be today?

Speaker 1 (02:14:12):
Correct?

Speaker 5 (02:14:13):
A red slap? Yeah, he would never ever play Deacon
Jones with the head slap back then. But a guest
appearance on The Brady Bunch, and he told Peter to
stay in the glee club. That's right, even though he
was a canary. Lamar lundy, lamar lundy. And you know
that Todd Meyer jumped in on that, my bad richman.

Speaker 1 (02:14:35):
Yes, all right, John's up next. He'll be with you
until up until what time are you out there at Baringers, John?

Speaker 5 (02:14:41):
Wow, we do a Colt's Happy Hour coming up from
six until seven. And then I just hear now that
Eddie Garrison has got to go to a wedding and
it's not doing the pregame. I don't know who the
hell is doing the pregame.

Speaker 1 (02:14:51):
Then, Eddie, who's doing the pregame?

Speaker 2 (02:14:55):
John Nolan?

Speaker 1 (02:14:56):
John Nolan, the voice of the doing the pregame.

Speaker 5 (02:14:59):
Let me tell you this, he's not tonight Eddie Garrison is.

Speaker 1 (02:15:02):
So you know, all right, John, we'll throw it out
to you in a couple of minutes here enjoy all right,
John from Berengers, Thanks again, Stephanie White, thanks to Jeff George,
thanks to Kevin Bowen, and thanks for thank you for
listening today to Querying Company.

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