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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Every once in a while, Eddie, when I'm driving into work,
I think about what it would be like to do
this job in a different city. Now, admittedly, there's no
way that I could do this job in any other city,
not because I wouldn't want to per se, but because

(00:22):
I just don't know. I I have the utmost respect
for people to do national radio, because to have to
talk about all the different franchises, all the different teams,
and have it beyond just the surface would be difficult.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I think also, how much useless knowledge do you know
about other city?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's it, That's exactly right, just the total overall history
of a city, the little you know, fun fact nuances.
You can't reference the brass penguins at Glendale and those
sorts of things and whatever the equip prevalent is in

(01:01):
Denver unless you grew up there, right or you know that.
You know, make a comment like you missed the ice
cream at g d Ritzi's. You know, people like what,
But give me, for example, an NFL city, Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I love Seattle. By the way, you had to know
that I was gonna mention Seattle. Come on, you're a
big fan of Seattle as well. I love Seattle.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
But yeah, I mean I could reference Jim Zorn and
Steve Largent and Kurt Warner, the Woman the Sea and
not a kay reference John Kittna and John Alexander or
Sean Alexander, and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
King Griffy Junior, King Griffy Sr.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Totally right well, Edgar Martinez and now the Big Dumper, right. Yeah,
But to get into the depths of it would be tough.
And so I was thinking about on my way in,
what would it be like to do sports talk radio
in Chicago?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
You would have right now, sure, you could always talk
about the Bulls. You could always talk about the Blackhawks.
I don't think they mentioned DePaul much, but you could
mention it if you wanted to. I don't think they
even have any idea. They're in the same state as
the University of Illinois. But you could talk about the
Illinois Indiana game coming up Saturday night, seven thirty that

(02:20):
you could hear on ninety three five one oh seven
five the fan in Indianapolis. Right, you could mention those things.
But in Chicago right now, if I was doing that job,
this almost would be the low hanging fruit. And it
seems to be the obvious storyline, but it relates to Indianapolis.

(02:43):
If you were doing this job Eddie in Chicago and
you're talking Bears football, yes, Caleb Williams is a big storyline.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
For you, right yeah. I think there'd be a bigger
storyline in Chicago right now than Caleb Williams and the
Bears versus the Cowboys this weekend. In terms of the Bears, well,
right now, I think they would be talking. I mean,
obviously they'd be talking about the Cubs getting into the postseason.
I get that, Yeah, But in terms of the Bears
big series coming up against the Reds, Jack.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
What would be the if you were doing sports talk
radio in Chicago and a Bears fan calls in and
you're doing open phone lines about the Bears, what is
the first thing that a Bears fan would have to
be looking at. It's only two games, it's only two games,
But what is the first thing that a Bears fan
would have to be calling in saying? What in the

(03:32):
world were they doing?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's a great question.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
What's the biggest question as it relates to Indianapolis. There's
a reason I'm bringing it up as it relates to Indianapolis.
What is the thing that the Bears did in the
last year ten months as it relates to Indianapolis, that
if you were a Bears fan, you would have to
be using it as the poster child of this organization

(04:00):
and has no idea what it's doing.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
The drafting of Caleb Williams and the development of Kayleb
Williams where you goink, Caleb Williams is starting to show
a little bit heast. Here's the thing, how much better
would Caleb Williams look if he had Tyler Warren? You
forget that the Chicago Bears passed on Tyler Warren, Yeah,

(04:22):
and instead have Colston Lovelin as their tight end who
has two catches on three targets so far on the year. Now,
Tyler Warren didn't even practice yesterday. He did not toe injury. Jake.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Now that toe injury. Tyler Warren with nine good toes
is better than Colston Lovelin with ten of them. If
you're a Bears fan, you have to be saying what
in the world because Tyler Warren is that guy? And
I know that we're two games into it and defenses
are gonna adjust, and film is going to be out
there and people are going to start taking a looks.

(05:01):
But I'm telling you, and I said this a year ago,
a year ago, before the year even began, I said
that Leatu Latu was going to be the AFC Defensive
Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
And I was wrong. I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
The actually I think it's just NFL Defensive Rookie of
the Year. But either way, I was wrong. And it's
only two games. And I don't want to like just
automatically sugar, you know, like blanket statement anything, but the
way that Tyler Warren has already shown that he is,

(05:38):
I'm telling you, I believe he is the epicenter of
the Colts offense. And the reason I bring all of
this up is because who would have thought that going
into Game number three against the Tennessee Titans coming up
this Sunday, that one of the big storylines would be
the health or availability of a rookie player. Because you

(06:01):
have Michael Pittman, and you have Jonathan Taylor, and you
have Ady Mitchell, and you have Alec Pierce. But I
really think that a lot of what those guys do
kind of spins off of, if you will, what Tyler
Warren is able to bring to the table and the
fact that defenses have to be aware of where he

(06:24):
is at all times. But Eddie filled me in because
that happened just after we got off the air yesterday
kind of in the transition into John is when we
found out from a practice standpoint yesterday that Tyler Warren
not available And you said toe injury correct, That is correct.
I shouldn't say not available. Sorry, total misquoting it did
not participate in practice participate? Yes, I will say that

(06:48):
Kevin Bowen and I did a podcast. They of course
listened to that, not during the course of our show,
orgav Show. But Kevin did say that he was walking
around pretty gingerly, so something to monitor. Didn't know if
that was injury related.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Or just the fact that he played sixty six snaps
on Sunday and was feeling a little sore.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Still, now he is not the only catching passes from
Daniel Jones who yesterday did not practice. Correct, That is
accurate because the other one, Josh downs right, Yes, and
he has an ankle. Yes, we all have an ankle.
He's got two of them.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Actually, I guess technically speaking, we all have four ankles.
Do we not explain? Well, don't you have like an
ankle on doesn't each foot have two ankles? I thought
it was just one ankle. Don't you have a left
ankle on a right ankle that's well each Yes, so
you would have two ankles. Yeah, but on one foot,
I'm saying, on your right foot, don't you have an

(07:46):
ankle on the right side and ankle on the left side. No,
it's it's like you're no, you have one ankle, but
the knobs. I think of the ankle as being the knob,
Like I can hit the knob on the left and
not on the right. You have one ankle, jake on
each foot or on each leg, you have two ankles.
But okay, understood.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
But I'm saying, like, so if I on my right foot,
if I have an ankle sprain, is it on the
is it the knob on the left of the knob
on the right?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
It's still an ankle sprain.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I think I think of your ankle, I think of
your foot having two ankles. I realize it's probably one bone,
but I think of it as two ankles because you
have two knobs. Right. Stop it? So which foot is
it that downs has the ankle injury? We don't really know,
just his ankle. You know why we don't know because
he has four of them.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, I'm just saying, should we call up Ralph Reef
again to settle this? Come on, you have two ankles,
one on each leg. Told you, thank you. We just
wasted the last three minutes of our listener's ears.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
But it has two tendons, right, each ankle has two tendons,
so you can there are four places you can sprain.
It isn't that right?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Good acted into. It is a Thursday. My name is
Jake Quarry, that is Eddie Garrison. It is a querying
company here on ninety three five and one zero seven
five one oh seven five the fan. There is a
lot to discuss today. We will get to not how
many ankles we have, but rather what exactly might be,
say the Achilles for the Indianapolis Colts, and what Tennessee
might try to take advantage of, and for that fact,

(09:18):
what Tennessee offers in terms of susceptibility. On Thursdays, we
do take a road trip each and every Thursday. We're
going to down to Nashville because we're going to talk
about what's taking place with the Titans and what they
might be game planning for and when we do so,
Eddie will act like he is on the back of
one of the bachelorette buses. Right Whoo the thing that

(09:41):
here's the beauty of it. When Eddie does that, he
leans all the way back in his seat and looks
like he's falling out of the seat when he does that,
Is that to imply that that's what the bachelorettes are doing?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
We'll see, Jake. I can only woo at a loud pitch,
and I don't want to get up close to the
microphone and do it. Is then it could be bad.
I do like the way that you do your mats, Repp,
and I have to do the arm because I don't know.
I just got to feel the full part, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
The arm is the best part about the whole thing. Yeah,
but we will coming up at about two o'clock. I
believe we're gonna hit down to Nashville and get the
perspective from the Titans. Tom Deanhart going to join the
program today at one o'clock. Of course, we will talk
about Purdue and Notre Dame, which is a little more
intriguing than I think we might have said. So a
month ago. We will get into that. Tony E's going

(10:28):
to join the program at one o'clock hour as well
because a big one tonight for the Fever. Matt Taylor,
the voice of the Colts, will join us before we
wrap things up. But let's kind of go in order there,
and let's begin with Purdue Notre Dame actually coming up
on Saturday. Interesting game to me because you know, I

(10:48):
think Perdue going into the year, we really didn't know
who or what Purdue was. All that we knew was
that they and I think that you can look back
now on you know, just what's taking place within Purdue
football and Ryan Waltters and the way that Ryan Waltters

(11:08):
I think was extremely highly thought of when he was
coming out of Illinois as a coordinator. And you never
know how guys are going to be when you shift
from coordinator into head coach and you've got to oversee everything.
And I from everything I've heard, read, et cetera, it

(11:29):
wasn't that he didn't know football. It wasn't that he
didn't know let's say, players or schemes. I think there
was just a by all account, a lack of discipline
or organization throughout the program, a lot of it being
the assistant coaches just I don't know that they were

(11:51):
like on task all the time. I think, you know,
just you had no accountability across the board. And I
think Purdue realized very quickly that that was something that
needed to change and so and what's interesting is when
they made the coaching change, it was not I'm trying

(12:14):
to remember, Eddie, do you remember how long it was before,
I mean, how long that job was even open or
how many people apparently or allegedly were interviewing for it.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I don't think we fully know, Jake. It was open
for a while though, because the.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
You know, there were I can't remember what names were
out there, but Barry Odam kind of came I'm not
going to say of left field, but all of a
sudden it was like, hey, they got their guy and
it's Barry Odam. But one of the things that he
because UNLV football isn't something that you look at and
go wow. But I think in any line of business,
in any line of work, anything that you do, one

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of the things you want to look for is like precision.
And you may not be the best in terms of
an overall talent, but you don't want to be a
team that is going out and no matter what you're
doing and making your own mistakes, hurting yourself. And I
think Purdue that was the calling card about Purdue under
Barry Otomas what it was going to be, which was,

(13:12):
we have no idea what talent they're going to have
this year. They have all new players, but they are
going to be just a more sound football team. And yes,
they had red zone deficiencies against USC, and USC is
a really good test for them. But and I know
that that that you know, USC was pretty much in

(13:34):
control of that game, but it was not a game
when you were watching it that you felt like Purdue
didn't have their chances. Notre Dame, on the other hand,
yes they're zero to two, but at the same time,
you know they are. I mean, let's face it, like
you knew going in that there are two big games.

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I think the Texas A and M game is the
one that really hurts because you allowed A and M
down the field to kind of carve you up defensively
and get that last score. But I think Notre Dame
obviously presents challenge for Purdue, but Purdue is going to
have to be more efficient within the red zone. At
the same time, though, I think they have a puncher's

(14:19):
chance against Notre Dame. But then again, you know, is
Notre Dame a legit oh too? I know they are
zero and two. You get what I'm saying. Or is
Notre Dame still a top ten, top fifteen team because
Notre Dame's two losses are both pretty forgivable. Now, Notre
Dame knows they've got to win out probably to get
into the College Football playoff, and so do they feel

(14:39):
like they have to make a resounding entry here on
win number one against Purdue? Does Perdue feel like they
were within range against USC? And there's just a couple
of areas What areas would those be where that Purdue
needs to close the gap. On my long wined point
here is I do think Barry otom is bringing to

(15:02):
produce so far what it was that we expected, which
was that, yes, they may not. We have no idea
what their talent level is going to be in terms
of just this group that you had to kind of
throw together in terms of your roster because they had,
I mean, how many transfer portal guys and whatever else.
But at the same time, I think you can see

(15:23):
the foundation there of a style of play that is
going to make them a team that's going to be
competitive in the Big Ten within say a year. But
you know, where are they right now? This is a
huge measuring stick for that for sure. But we'll talk
to Tom dean Hart about that coming up. And then
the Fever tonight in action down in Atlanta. Eddie Garrison

(15:44):
will have the pregame for that coming up at seven fifteen.
Tip at seven thirty, Eddie bottom line tonight for the Fever.
When or come back home and stay there right win?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Or go home? Yes, Jake? When or go home tonight
against the Atlanta Dream down in Joe.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
You know, it feels like it's as simplistic as saying,
if their outside shot goes in there, you go because that.
But then again, I don't know in game number two
if it was as much about the Fever hitting shots
on the perimeter as it was the Fever denying Atlanta

(16:24):
any sort of offensive consistency, in particular in Atlanta's backcourt,
because you know, the foul disparity in Game one actually
favored when you look at that game in Game one
and the technicals and you know, the volatility of the fever.

(16:46):
The game was not officiated in a way that was
in some sort of shape or form really favoring Atlanta.
But in the end, it just was not hitting from
the outside. They were able to do so in game two.
But I think, Eddie, the bigger thing was that they
just were able to deny any sort of cohesiveness in
the backcourt play of Atlanta in Game two.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I mean, they just didn't much tenue. They just did
a much better job in Game two at running Atlanta
off the three point line and getting out in transition
because they were getting stops defensively. Like that is where
Indiana is going to have to as you like to say,
what it's whistle on offense right now, is by getting
out in transition, just because that's how you can combat
a team like the Dream who wanted to play physical

(17:27):
and they want to get all up in your space defensively,
you don't let them, you know, get into their set
defensive set division. If I can talk today, my goodness,
they're set defensive whatever they want to do sets, and
then you're able to generate easy looks at the basket.
You ever have a friend that just wants to get
all up in your face.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
All the time? Do you have did everybody knows that guy?
Don't they like the guy that just you're like that
has no understanding of maybe that's me. Do you ever
wonder if you're that guy? Do you ever wonder if, like,
gosh to to the people around me, am I the
one that's not getting social cues? Like we all have
that one person that were like nice guy, nice gal, whatever,

(18:08):
like them, but just like doesn't doesn't read the room
on when the conversation's over. And then I think to myself,
sometimes you know that might be me.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
It's not me. I don't get all up in your creal.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
What about what about this? Do you ever make a
joke that like you're just you're You're making a flippant comment,
and then after the fact you look back and you go,
maybe I should have filtered that one.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
No? Ever, No, I usually think about what I say
before I say it. Yeah, do you think it all
the way?

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Have you ever had one though where you didn't think
it all the way through and youre gosh, I didn't
think about the fact that they might see it a
different way.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I guess that's a better way of saying it. Uh.
Sometimes but usually I'm pretty thorough with how I think
things true before I, you know, start speaking, or as
I'm speaking.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Okay, fair enough, By the way, you do have one
ankle on each foot. Although the ankle has two main parts,
the upper ankle and the lower ankle, meaning the one
word I can't pronounce joint and then another word I
can't pronounce joint, these two parts allow for different types

(19:18):
of foot movement. So you got an upper ankle a
lower ankle on both sides. I'm telling you got four ankles.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
No, yeah, you do. No, I'm just telling you.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I don't know if you know this or not, but
a lot of times when a guy has an ankle injury,
they'll say, well, we're waiting to see if his second
ankle on that foot is able to kind of pick
up the slack a little bit, and then if not,
then he's probably going to be out. Like Josh Downs
has the ankle injury, we don't know which of the
four ankles it is, so and we don't know on
which foot it is, whether or not the other one
is going to be able to compensate. Right, It's actually

(19:52):
known in medically speaking, and I listen I'm not a doctor,
but you know I took a Sally Struthers class.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Once.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
It's called the compensatory okay, it is, that's the ankle
that picks up the slack when the when the other
half of the ankle doesn't work. Well, well, they're like, well,
it's really going to come down to what happens with
the compensatory ankle.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well, I must be the compensatory ankle, because I'm picking
up the slack for you. I'm just telling about David Malucas, Jake.
Finally with Team Pensken, we finally got that one.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
That is indeed official. Now David Belucas will drive the
number twelve Verizon Chevrolet for Roger Penske. And that means
that each Domino that we had told you, and I'm
under no stretch of the imagination where we alone in
certainly on that one that was the worst kept secret
of motorsport. But when Will Power left Penske, I had

(20:42):
told you Power was going to go and take Colton
hurd his ride because Colton Hurder was going to go
to Europe, and David Malucas was going to take Will
Power's ride. And then the next and theoretically last domino
to fall amongst all of this is Rhenus v K,
who was driving for dale Coin. He was on a
one year deal. He declined and offer to extend that

(21:07):
for now, and it looks like Renus VK is going
to move on from that team. And there has been
a ton of thought And I had said after Nashville
that one of the things that I strongly believed was
that Team Penske has been watching Renus VK for a

(21:29):
while and have very favorable thought on Renus VK, both
in terms of his driving ability and just his presentation
all of it, his skill set, his personality all things,
and they have never had the timing to be able
to acquire Renus VK. When VK declined the offer for
dale Coin, it created a lot of question or speculation

(21:53):
as to if there was something lined up elsewhere. The
thought process was that the replacement for David Maluke was
a natural for Renus VK because that would put him
within because of the technical alliance between aj Foyt Racing
and Penske that that then puts him kind of in
a retainer situation like Malucas had with Foight. That would

(22:16):
allow Penske team Penske to have VK kind of within
their umbrella. There is now speculation that Renus VK could
actually be in discussion with Team ray Hall, and ray
Hall is a Honda team and obviously the other are Chevrolet.
He has been He's driven with Chevrolet with Ed Carpenter
and then last year with Honda with Dale Coin, So

(22:37):
I don't think the engine manufacturer per Se is a
big factor in that. But that would be my anticipation
for a while is that the next domino to fall
right after David Lucas was going to be VK going
over there. But now apparently ray Hall throws a bit
of a monkey wrench into that, and then you have
Connord Ailey with the money that he has from AMPM

(22:59):
and trying to determine I think where it is that
he would end up and wind up. But let's get
back into the Colts in terms of running the engine
on all cylinders for Sunday against Tennessee. We will get
you caught up on the injury report and who may
in fact not be available when they get set to play.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
We will do that.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Coming up on the other side, Tom Deanhart joining us
top of the hour, we will get in specifically to
produce side of things with Notre Dame. And then as
we talked about road trip down to Nashville today as well,
Tony E's gonna join us to talk about the fever
loaded show. Matt Taylor around us out two o'clock hour.
It is querying company when we come back. Those two
injuries for the Colts and what it might mean for them,

(23:41):
will take a further look into that next. You know,
here's something interesting, Eddie. I would like for you to
do an exercise, which I know with your insulation sometimes
can be you know.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
You can produce around show. Now, No, just say I
didn't mean.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
What I'm saying is I'm not taking yourself out of
Come on, I'm not asking you to do callisthenics or
any such thing.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Right, if you.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Were to look at the Colt's depth chart, okay, and
go and look at it offensively, Like if you go
to Colts dot com and you get on their their
depth chart that they have listed on their website, Yep,
the keyword there probably is depth because it's something that

(24:30):
you know. I recall when we had Chris Ballard on
when I was doing the Morning show, and I remember
asking him. That was during the time when he was giving,
to quote Ted Lasso, a lot of guff to Kevin
about the wide receiver and Kevin's insistence on the Colts
addressing the wide receiver position.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
And I asked Chris Ballard the question of what is
in terms of building a roster, what's the one bugaboo
that like you just can't wrap your head around and
you just can't grasp what it is that how you
go about something? And I remember perfectly he said, probably depth.

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The hardest thing in the NFL is finding and building depth. Like,
for example, when you have an ankle problem, you have
depth because you have again I mean here's a medical journal,
a medical I mean, I mean from real doctors. Some
experts argue that we actually have four ankles. The reason

(25:39):
for this debate lies in the structure of our ankles.
As mentioned earlier, the ankle joint is made up of
three bones. However, some experts argue that the fibula should
be considered a separate joint. Again, four ankles, Eddie, this
is the kind of stuff that you have the access to,
this sort of expertise. Medical experts agree with me. But

(26:01):
if you go to their offensive depth chart, and you
look at it right now, what area would you say
they have the most depth? What position would you say
they have done a nice job of giving themselves the
most depth wide receiver. That's probably correct. And the reason
I bring that up is because Josh Downs, who is

(26:23):
one of their I mean he's obviously you don't think
of Josh Downs as being a.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Gosh.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
I mean he would be what maybe their second most
important receiver. I think Pittman is still the guy that
is your because he's such a big target. But with
Josh Downs potentially missing and I don't know that he's
going to miss play on Sunday, but if they're not
practicing on Wednesday because of an ankle, you know, we'll
see what that means for today. And we'll talk to
Matt Taylor coming up about two thirty. But I do

(26:55):
like the depth they have there because I think a
really important piece for them and a guy that's been
a really important piece. If I had to go out
and buy a Colts jersey to wear to a game,
if I had to buy a PACER's jersey of a
player to wear to a game, I think most people

(27:16):
know the guy for the Pacers that I love as
Aaron Nesmith because Aaron Neismith does whatever it is that
is needed. He doesn't need necessarily design plays to get
his points. He can capture lightning in a bottle like
he did in the Garden and steal a game from
New York by hitting seventeen to three pointers and forty

(27:37):
two seconds. But I love Aaron Neesmith because I like
that kind of selflessness. If you look at the Colts
depth chart and Josh Downs is not available for example,
do you know who is the Aaron Neismith for the Colts?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Uh Ashton Dolan. Correct.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Ashton Doolan can play a number of different areas. He
doesn't have to have, you know, consistent regular plays designed
to him to make an impact. He there are there
are always every year there's a game or two that
is like an Ashton Doolan game where you look back
at it and you go, you know what, he made

(28:15):
a huge play that was a difference in that game,
that kept a drive alive that they needed, or got
them a score, whatever it might be, had a big return.
Ashton Doolan is literally the guy that's like, you know,
wherever you need me to go and Ashton Doolan probably
becomes again a valuable aaron Nei Smith if Josh Downs

(28:35):
is not able to go because everybody kind of has
to move up a spot. And I realized that Gould
is probably more listed on that side. But I think
that you feel pretty good about Ashton Doolan being a
guy that you have to plug in. And I give
the Colts credit because he's a guy that they have
had there and utilized in many different ways, and they

(28:57):
have depth in that area. The other area where I
think in numerals they have depth but maybe not stylistically,
is tight end because Tyler Warren is the one player
if you look at their depth chart that brings to
the table a style or you know, just what he

(29:22):
does that is the hardest to replicate. You know, Moley
Cox is not going to bring you what Tyler Warren
does because Tyler Warren is essentially a slot receiver. He's
more than just and he could block. He can do
so many different things and already we've seen it. This
is not There are certain guys that come into a

(29:47):
league in football or basketball, either one, and they start
out like a house of fire and it's like, oh
my gosh, how did the rest of the league not
how did the rest of league sleep on this guy?
And then tape gets out, adjustments are made, Earth is
brought back down towards and or you were brought back

(30:11):
down towards, I should say, and you realize that everything
kind of evened itself out, and everybody knows. I mean,
you know, Jeremy Lynn, you know there are a million
players I could throw out. Everybody listening right now is
probably as I'm describing that, they're thinking of some quarterback
or some wide receiver that think about your fantasy football league.

(30:35):
Everybody and their brother is immediately going after Week one
and trying to acquire this guy. Is like, how in
the world did nobody think to draft this guy? He
had a huge game and then you find out, Yeah,
I mean that was kind of the anomaly. Tyler Warren
does not feel that way. I think Tyler Warren is
here and here to stay, and I think this guy

(30:58):
is just I think he is going to be an
epicenter piece of their offense. If he's not able to go. Sure,
they have again depth at receiver, but not necessarily it
tied end. But the thing that they're thinking about Warren
is you know, you still have plenty of guys behind it, Moley,
Cox Ogletree. You know, Mallory is probably the closest in

(31:19):
terms of the style that Warren plays. But Warren can
kind of be the style of any of those guys
that are filling in. But I just think that he's
the hardest to replicate because already through two games, and
keep in mind it's two games with Daniel Jones as well.
I mean, Daniel Jones has not played this offense with
this personnel in his career, and I think Warren. We

(31:42):
talked forever about Pittman or Downs being your safety net guy,
and clearly it's Warren. And I know that I've sat
here and spent like forty minutes today talking up Tyler Warren.
But I'm telling you, like I'm I am that bullish
on Tyler Warren. And I still can't believe he was
not the first tight and selected in the draft. But

(32:07):
as we as it stands right now, yesterday, Warren didn't
practice with the toe. Now you do have ten toes.
We do know this for a fact, right yes, now, Now,
why do you sound fatigued by this? You know I
mentioned to you that many medical experts believe that you
have four ankles and not two. And you and I

(32:28):
know you rolled your eyes. But I've got right there
before me. I have now medical proof, right, I can
present my documents. I can present my documents as well. However,
this is interesting too. It says in this article that
I'm reading, which is from anklespecialist dot net. Yeah, the

(32:49):
foremost authority of all medical things that you could find.
It says in the article some experts argue that we
actually have four ankles. If you refresh the article, it
edits it to many experts.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Interesting, many experts argue that we actually have four ankles.
The reason for this debate lies in the structure of
our ankles. Listen, I did I mean? I took biology? Okay,
I took anatomy.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Did let me ask you this in your anatomy class,
did you, oh, what's the word that when you oh,
the earthworm and then later the fetal pig?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Dissect? Thank you dissect? Did you dissect those? Yes, not
a worm, but it was I can't remember what we did.
Fetal pig though, yes, Okay, did you happen to look
at the ankles of the fetal pig. No, did you
did you have the plastic structure of the skeleton that
hung that hung around? Yes? Did you happen to look

(33:56):
at the ankles? No, well you've just seen four of
them according to many experts. Well, yes, because they have
four legs and they have one ankle on each leg.
Four legs. Pains have four. I'm talking about the skeleton.
Oh you were talking about Okay, no, the humans. I
did see the human skeleton. Yes, two ankles total, one

(34:17):
on each leg. End of debate. This again.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'm going to anklespecialist dot net. What is the truth?
Do we have two or four ankles? The answer is both.
It all depends on how you define an ankle. If
you define an ankle as a joint that allows for
movement and stability of your feet, then you have two. However,
those of a higher intellect can understand and grasp the
concept that there are actually four ankles many This is

(34:42):
also interesting here, okay, intellect specialist dot net. One of
the key factors in determining one's intellect is to ask
whether or not they believe you have two or four ankles.
It is wide they believed amongst the medical medical community
that those that believe there are four ankles have a
higher intellect than those that are agreeable upon two. That's

(35:03):
from higher intellect according to anklest net are you're not
buying into this. No, okay, big weekend in college football.
We will get to that, including why in the world
is college football's biggest stage not being brought to Central Indiana.

(35:23):
It's a big topic of discussion and debate on the
national stage and certainly for those in Bloomington. We'll get
into it next. By the way, pretty good tweet scent.
You could also text us at two three nine ten seventy.
That's two three nine and one zero seven zero. That
is the text line for the show itself. I think

(35:47):
most people know my cell phone number. You can text
there as well. But now, one person sent a text
during our ankle chat that just had like twelve z's Yeah.
I mean I understand and why you would fall asleep
during the ankle chat because we're staying the obvious about
the fact that you know, Like I said, most experts
believe that if you've got four ankles, most people know that, right.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
It seems obvious.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, But there was when we were talking about Tyler
Warren and the fact that I keep going back to,
you know, I can't believe that he was the second
Titan selected. This is a good point from Russ. It's
too early to tell on the Bears tight end. The
fact that he's only had three targets on the year

(36:32):
isn't all on him. The OC needs to get him
more involved. But with that said, Warren is a dog. Yeah,
for sure, that's fair. But you just look at Tyler
ware You holy cow, if you're Chicago, You've got to
be thinking what in the world when you think about
college basketball. And the reason I say this is because
I think it offers some explanation for a decision in

(36:56):
college football. But there are every year, every year in
college basketball during March Madness, there is there are always
one or two teams that get like a top four seed,
and literally you say to yourself, wait what, I had

(37:18):
no idea.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
They're like twenty seven and six. I haven't heard.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
About these guys all year, and they are a three seed.
There are two programs that come to mind with that.
So I'd like to offer a mental game for the listeners. Eddie,
you can participate as well. Okay, it is late February,
all right, it's cold out, it's drizzly.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Super Bowl just ended a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, there's just kind of spitting rain outside. Super Bowl
just ended. We're starting to look towards the combine, and
college basket ball is hitting its you know, it's it's
obviously towards the latter part of the season, and we're
starting to talk about selection Sunday.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
We're, you know, getting around the time of the NBA
All Star break.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
That's right, that's exactly right. Surprise snowstorm out of nowhere
on a Friday, et cetera. And we're starting to look
towards the NCAA tournament and Selection Sunday, and we're trying
to prognosticate whether or not Purdue is going to be
a one seed, is Indiana going to get in? You know,
does Butler, how many more wins does Butler need? Et cetera.

(38:36):
And you look at the rankings and you're looking at prognostication, prognostication,
excuse me, prognostication. You're looking at prognostication of the top
four seeds, and there's one team that jumps out and
you're like, hang on, I haven't heard about them all year.

(38:57):
They're twenty seven and five. They many people believe they're
going to be a top three seed. It makes sense.
They're good every year, but I just don't really follow
or pay attention because we do this every year with them.
They're in a Power five conference. They every year are
a top three seed, and yet every year they're the

(39:21):
team that gets beat in the second round by a
nine seed that comes out with a five hundred record
out of like the PAC twelve. So what team am
I talking about each and every year that comes to
mind for you from a college basketball program? Standpoint, Iowa State.
That is exactly who I was thinking of. That is
exactly who I was thinking of. Iowa State. Who has

(39:44):
Tyrese Haliburton, You know Iowa State, right, Jamal Tinsley, Iowa State,
Marcus Pfizer, Iowa State. They've had great players, But Iowa
State is exactly what Fred Hoiberg, It's exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Who I was thinking of. Iris State. What's that George Niang,
that's right, who's still in the league. By the way,
he is an odd gate. Yeah he's got some insulation
on him.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
But Iowa State is not. They are good every year,
but they are not a team that carries with them
the oomph of a Kansas or a Kentucky or a
Louisville or for that matter, even a Florida, who's another
team in this category. But Florida just won it all,
And like when Florida wins it all, you're kind of like, oh, okay,

(40:26):
and then you're like a month later named three Florida Gators.
I don't know. They were a good team. I think
Indiana football, and it's not even comparable because Indiana football
has not had the annual sustained success that say, in
Iowa State basketball has. But Iowa State is a very
good basketball program that lacks overall sexiness of brand marketing

(40:52):
of who they are. And while Indiana a year ago
was an unbelievable story and I think the whole country
he got captivated by the Kurt Signetti confidence and the
swagger and all of that, it doesn't mean that it's
translated into a second consecutive year of people buying into

(41:12):
Indiana because I think there are a lot of people,
probably from a national standpoint, that are like, yeah, it's
a little bit like Iowa State. We do this every
year with Iowa State, and I think there is still
a lot of you got to prove it to me
about Indiana, and it doesn't have the national cachet. That's
why I believe College Game Day elected to go against

(41:34):
Indiana Illinois, which is a matchup of two teams ranked
in the top twenty. And Indiana is you know, blowing
everybody away and Signetti still has that element of that
swagger about himself. But College Game Day, and yes, I
still you know, I think it's still to people is
a very big deal as to you know, where is

(41:56):
College Game Day going to be?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
And there's the other thing, Jake, that I think I
play into it. I mean, if you're ESPN, your night
game on ABC or ESPN or whatever it is Miami
Florida the night game, that it's not Indiana Illinois. Like
I think it would be different if the game was
on one of the ESPN properties since it's on NBC.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, yeah, you four though, because wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
It was Big Noon. They were on Fox last year
for the Washington game when they went to Bloomington. Correct,
but ABC didn't air that game, right is correct? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
But Florida Miami, here's the other one every year, that
same scenario that I just presented to you give me
a team that you automatically assume, or when you're filling
out your bracket on March Madness, you put them into
the sweet sixteen even though they had a down year
and they are twenty two and eleven. Because of the

(42:57):
branding of the program itself, you're like, yeah, they'll be in.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
The sweet sixth Uh Kansas, Okay, I mean that's a
good one. Right.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
So that's Florida. I mean, I know that Florida. It's
been a while since Florida's been good in college football.
And there's there's I mean there, but there is that
narrative of when Florida and Miami or a rivalry like
that is is relevant. It makes college football better. And
Florida's off to a one and two start, but it's

(43:29):
one of those that's like, you know what, Miami, though,
is a top five team, they beat Notre Dame, they
have a good quarterback, and there is a there is
no doubt, like a sexiness about Miami, just as there
is about Florida within the college football rankings. So I
do get from the branding standpoint, why that is college
game Day. And in addition to that, to your point,

(43:51):
the broadcast aspect of it a huge factor, although precedent
says that is not the end all, be all determining factor.
But yes, I think Indiana, and look, I think this
Indiana team's really good, just as they were here ago.
I learned a year ago not to sleep on Indiana,
not to doubt Indiana. And when they because they get leads,
and then when they get leads, it's just like, oh

(44:12):
my gosh, they just do not make mistakes to relinquiss
leads unless they're playing Notre Dame. I guess in the playoff,
but this one against Illinois, you know Illinois, Brett Beelima's group.
You heard Don Fisher talking about it yesterday. I mean,
they are big in the trenches, they can control the line.
Illinois can keep the ball probably out of Indiana's hands offensively,

(44:34):
and it'll be fun to see. Now Purdue and Notre
Dame the other one that is big this weekend. Tom
dean Hart going to join us other side. We'll preview
it from what the Boilers have to say and take
a look at where Notre Dame might be susceptible for
Purdue to take advantage. All that next So Saturday at
three point thirty Purdue and Notre Dame and the Boilers

(44:56):
coming in. This is I think I have meant before
years ago. I still have a Purdue hat that I
bought in the Dallas Airport. I don't remember. I must
have been going down to cover a Colts game somewhere
and had a layover in the Dallas Airport. I don't

(45:17):
remember for what reason I was in the Dallas Airport,
but I was in, you know, I had a long
layover or whatever, and I was in a little bar
or restaurant filled with Notre Dame fans, and Notre Dame
was getting ready to play Perdue. And I had no
real rooting interest, but these Notre Dame fans were so loud.
I just thought it'd be fun. So I went like

(45:38):
right across the terminal to the hat store in there
and bought a Purdue hat and came in and sat down.
In the second that I sat down, Taylor Stubblefield had
like a what was it a ninety nine yard or
whatever it was touchdown where he was doing the boiler
up all the way down the sidelines, and it was
pretty awesome. And I've always enjoyed this rivalry as a
result and certainly appreciate the time from Tom dean Hart

(46:00):
from Golden Black, who's going to join us now to
preview exactly that. And and Tom, I'm going to begin
with a simple but loaded question.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Are you ready?

Speaker 4 (46:09):
You got it? Fire away, Jake.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
I don't know incomplete need more information. I guess I
think we're taking We're getting more is being revealed. I
wish I could give you more defintive yes or a no.
Last year was a Last week was a measurement stick
game in a lot of ways, Jake, going ast USC
they covered pretty covering. I think they quitted themselves in
a lot of different areas. But they obviously came out

(46:35):
of short which was a surprise. So there's certainly a
better than they were last year. I think there's more optimism.
I have more optimism. I think I'm looking around the big.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Ten two Jake.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Maybe this team come in five games impossibly squeeze out
of six, so have to wait and see it. I
just don't want to get too far ahead of myself.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, and you know, I'll tell you Tom, and you
tell me if you agree with this. I think one
of the things that makes that question and That's why
I said, it's a simple question, but a loaded one,
right is, And this is insane to say, But I
don't know if we know yet how good USC is.
I mean, I think we know that USC obviously has talent, right,
but Purdue was a couple of self inflictions away from

(47:15):
being right there in that game, and so that gives
you optimism. But then I guess there's that other half.
Do you agree with the fact that we just kind
of don't know the USC side of it as well?

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Yeah, we're center critiquing the loss, trying to figure out
how good the loss was, right, And you mentioned the
three red zone interceptionments, obviously so crucial, so key, so
killer for Purdue, And like you said, Jake had those
gone indifferently gotten points in each of those drives, each
of those red zone picks. I mean, you're talking about
a totally different game, and you're what how good is USC?

(47:46):
We really don't know either. They didn't pay anybody before
they got to West Lafayette. I do think their offense
is awfully talented. I like their quarterback Jane Maeve and
those two receivers. But we'll have to wait and see.
Now comes Notre Dame, right, I mean you talk about
a sense of very you see, I'll have your back
shut against the wall in mid September. That's Notre Dame.

(48:06):
There's absolutely zero wiggle who left for the Irish to
lose a game. They've got to beat Purdue on Saturday,
and there's some self doubt. There's some tumbling up there,
Jacob on defense. Is Marcus screening going to get more
involved calling it or Chris ash still calls. They've got
some things to figure out up there in South Bend
too well.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
And I think if you look Tom, you know, if
you are Purdue, and I don't know how much because
it is so early in the year, you still have
a little bit of game plan of just like, hey,
we're going to do what we do and not maybe
try to buy into what is the definitive weakness of
an opponent. But to your point, Notre Dame, at the
very least, it does look like, certainly from the secondary standpoint,

(48:50):
they could be susceptible and susceptible to big plays. And
I do think that Purdue has that capability at the
quarterbacking play. Is that a fair assessment?

Speaker 4 (49:00):
I think so. Ryan Brown, like you said, three hundred
yards passing in the opener, three hundred yards passing last week.
He can throw the ball downfield, Jake. He does have
that big playabuilding the vertical pass game. The Boilers do
have some playmakers on the edge, the Michael Jackson, Nigel
Tuggling in particular on one brand. So yeah, I think
Produ's got to try to punch him in the those early.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Get the ball.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
If you can take the kickoff, try to go downfield,
take your shots downfield. You know there's doubt in that
nd secondary. Try to create more doubt and for a
year it has to be lacking confidence at this point.
If you can hit him early, create himself doubt and
get him on the heels, then maybe this game gets
is really up for grabs in the second half.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
When you look at Purdue through three games and I
know you know ball State Southern Illinois and then that
USC game, And to your point, Tom, I think we're
still trying to figure out exactly who Purdue is. But
let's go back to something that I've asked you before,
but we now have more more evidence before us, and
that is Barry Odom and just overall what he brings

(50:07):
as a coach. What feels or looks differently other than
the record for Purdue now than it did a calendar
year ago.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
I just think the way they played with discipline and
look at the penalties. I think the rams in three
point three penalties per game, which is I want to
see the fifth fewest in the Big Ten. Playing smart football.
I think those are things that really stand out and
not beating yourself. And I'll tell you what another thing
that stands out, Jacob is the ability to deal with adversity.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Right.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
We saw it in the Southern Illinois game when SIU
came down the first two times they had the ball
and score touchdown, there's fourteen to fourteen. You go, my gosh,
screen on me a shootout with an FCS school. That
was some adversity there for the defense, and they responded
and they only gave up a field goal the rest
of their way. So again, he's playing smarter football, playing
discipline football, and the ability to handle adversity and response

(50:59):
to adverse are three big ways I think this program
is different than last year.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
In what way or what do you think I should say?
Is keeping Barry otom awake at night?

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Like?

Speaker 1 (51:10):
What is the area so far? That you look at
and say, I just get the feeling that Purdue has
not been able to put their exact thumbprint on why
this isn't going better.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
I thinks a transplant. Both sides of the ball. The
offensive lines really been a little spotty, a little shaky,
especially when it comes to pass protection, Jake. They're giving
up a lot of sacks, a lot of pressure. They
cannot get Ryan Brown hurt. And defensively, the inability of
the end is to really get a rush up the
field and this hasn't been and they yearsually had the

(51:43):
Blitz to get pressure. So football is wanting the trenches.
We all know that from Pop and Warm in the NFL,
and those are two areas I think, if I'm Barry Yoda,
maybe I'm tossing the turn a little bit at.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Night Purdue in terms of their football Tom Tom Dean
Hard is our guest from Gold and Black. I know
the Bucket Game is. When I asked this question, you're
gonna think I'm more on here, you ready. I know
the Bucket game is the biggest game on the schedule.
I know how big that is. Am I wrong though?
In saying I mean I did not go to Purdue,
but a ton of my friends did that as much

(52:16):
as Purdue does not like Indiana that from a football standpoint,
if you were to ask them, the one game that
they would most want to get the bucket would be
number one. But I feel like the Notre Dame game
is closer than people think as the as rivaling that.
Am I off base?

Speaker 4 (52:33):
No, you're not. You're not off base at all. You know,
they have a trophy game with Illinois the cannon, but
there's not that much juice between those two schools. But
you're right, Notre Dame Purdue. You know, from nineteen forty
six to twenty fourteen, of course they played every year.
It was a big deal and they renewed the serious
here of late. And let's be honest, just a school.

(52:54):
You know, if you're Peru, you're kind of mimmy yourself
because of all the success and all the attention Notre
Dame gifts, right, And it's an in state school. And
the ultimate fan that really irks Purdue fan is the
Indiana basketball slash Orleans football fan. They call the reversible jack.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Yep, a ton of them, right, So there it is, right.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
In your own state, your second field in Notre Dame
in football usually over the years, having second fid IU
in basketball. So what I'm trying to say here, even
as a Purdue guy, I'm gonna speak for everybody, and
there's always a sense of a little bit of inferiority,
I think, and you're always kind of looking up striving
from ore. Hey look at us, don't ignore us. So
anytime you get a chance to beat the Irish and

(53:38):
football or IU in basketball, it's always very special, even
I you in anything for that matter, but Notre Dame
is football in particular. So yeah, I think this Notre
Dame series is every bit is important, just behind that
that old o conbucket.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Series, Tom, when you look at you know, the Purdue
football program is one that obviously in the times, certainly
in the era in which Golden Black has been the
foremost leader in covering them, You've seen different coaching administrations, right,
I mean everything from you know, obviously you know you
go with Tiller, but then between Danny Hope and Darryl Hazel,

(54:13):
and you know Jeff Brahm who had a lot of
success there, and then Ryan Walters and now into Bury
otom how has from one do you find that access
or approach changes from one coach to the next, or
is it a program where the program itself kind of
sells itself and then the coach it just you know,

(54:35):
there's not a lot of variation of approach based on
who the coach is in terms of the treatment of
media and the overall vibe, if that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
I think Gavy guy brings his own treatment in the
media and its overall just program, if you will. As
far as football goes, I mean, Barry Otam has talked
about he's basically following Gary Pinkell's plan. Gary Pinkell was
one of his mentors and one of his biggest mentors,
the guy who gave him his first job at Missouri,
and uh, I think he's He's told us that he

(55:05):
follows that same blueprint and about every aspect, So he's
gotten that. And as far as the media goes, you know,
he's been he's been pretty. Uh, he's pretty he's been
pretty accessible a game. He let us watch every practice
in the spring and through training camp and we get
to watch the Monday practice as well, and uh been
plenty of media availabilities, So I think he gets it.

(55:26):
I always think it's kind of good to try to
curry some favor and be accessible to the media. These
times are going to be tough. We all know there's
always gonna be good times and bad times, but they're
coming and uh, and he's just comes off as a
regular guy. I think he gets it and he knows
how it's been a method to the media as well. So, uh,
you know, it's still in the honeymoon phase. Things are great,
everybody's happy, everything's honkey dory, and uh, that can continue

(55:49):
this week obviously if they can stay with the Irish
and try to make a game.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Out of it.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
You know, it's interesting comedy. You look at the schedule,
and I know that the reality is this. The college
football team is made up of guests for college kids, right,
and sometimes college kids maybe you know, from an athletic standpoint,
they don't have I'm going to say maturity is the
wrong word, but the focus that say you get at

(56:14):
the professional level, right, and I think they probably are
prone to look past or look at things, or buy
into things more so than a pro team. And when
you look at produced schedule, you've got Notre Dame and
then right after that you've got Illinois, who we know
that Illinois is, you know, expected to have a very
big year. It gets pretty manageable after that. Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers,

(56:35):
even Michigan are the next four after that. Do you
think that there is to an extent an importance for
Purdue And this sounds like I'm selling them short, but
to simply not have a repeat of last year's Notre
Dame performance and disparity in order to just kind of

(56:55):
get through without open terrible wounds of these two games,
to then see where the season falls for you. I
don't think the roster. I'm hoping they don't look at
it that way, But is there some element of that
of look, get through these two weeks, see where the
chips fall, and then things can kind of open up
for you a little bit. Is there a danger in

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seeing it that way?

Speaker 4 (57:18):
I don't think so. You know, the coaches aren't seeing that.
The players obviously they always think everybody's nameless and faces
from week to week. But you're right, they have to
erase the debacle of last year sixty sixty seven defeat
at the hands of the Irish. Let We've talked about that.
Just keep it close, try to cover like they did
last week, and who knows, you know, Jake, this is

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where Purdue made his nickname the Spoilermakers over the years
by having huge upsets against Notre Dame as a heavy
underdog and producing that exact scenario this weekend. Not saying
it's going to happen, but this is how the storyline
set up often for Purdue against Notre Dame, and they
pulled off crazy upsets. But you know, even if they
obviously get beat again, you don't want to get trampled

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like it happened last year. And you talked about October
in particular, Jake, after this which they've got a bye week,
catch your breath. Four games in the book, assess yourself. Reset,
here's October you talked about at Minnesota at Northwestern. Then
if the Rutgers for a homecoming, and those those are
non negotiable games you got to win if you're produce,
if you want to even dream of going to a bowl. Right,

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and then things get really interesting. You mentioned Michigan, Paul
Task and Ann Arby, But how good is Washington They
have to go out there there this year as well,
and who knows how crazy would it be, Jake? If
they're what five and six? And here comes Indiana for
the Old Oaklan Bucket game on Black Friday in November
and produced somehow knocks them off to get boiled to
build it. Something like that happened if I build a

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statue for Barry on Otham already.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
But you know it's funny.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
I mean a year ago, you know, you mentioned like
building the statue bary Odam a year ago. This game
with Notre Dame that was the beginning of the end,
wasn't it. I mean I know that that sounds, but
like they were beaten so bad in that game that
it felt like right then the Ryan Walters era, it
was over.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 4 (59:09):
No, You're exactly right. I think the lines of that
game got all the way down to about seven and
a half or eight, because remember Notre Dame's coming off
a home loss in Northern Illinois, but it was coming
off for forty nine or nothing to win, so there's
a lot of people drinking the pretty kool aid, and
the wheels came off in thirty minutes. That game was
over at halftime. I think it was forty two to
nothing and that was the beginning of the end and

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epic epic beat down. The worst loss in school history, Jake,
until of course the finale in Bloomington where it even
got worse. He didn't think else possible would have got
worse with a sixty sixth th nothing loss to the Hoosiers.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Tom, what else is coming up on Golden Black in
terms of obviously I know this is the epicenter of
your guys coverage, but what else are you guys working on?

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Well, you know, we got I think today the Big
Ten basketball schedules are getting released, so we have analysis
of that up there. We see with the Boymakers basketball
schedule in the conference looks like and and you know
we have our boiler Maker rate of coming up with
Derek Schultz, someone you're familiar with, you does a great
job for us as well. And yeah, just to continuing
football covers, and of course, like I mentioned basketball as well,

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I know Brian nubergs already doing some previews of players
individually and practice there will be starting pretty soon over
all Northwestern.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Avenue and Jake.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
So a lot going on and just an exciting time
of the year for for all sports fans.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
It's Tom, I'm not gonna lie to you. It still
looks weird to me when the Big Ten basketball schedule
comes out and I see UCLA and Oregon and Washington
on there, you know what I mean? USC for that matter.
I mean, you're like, what in the world.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
It's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
It's cool, but it's still I'm not used to it yet.
But it'll take some time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
Right, Yeah, I agree. It's I finally gotten used to
Rutgers and marend twenty taking ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I'm also not used to hear people say Derek Schultz
does a great job. So you know there's adjustments all
over the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Place, right, I mean, well, you know he pays me good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
I understand, Tom. I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Man, I'd be good to take care of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Tom Dinhart joining us on the program again perdue Notre
Dame coming up three point thirty on Saturday, Eddie, have
you been to either a ross Aig Stadium or Notre
Dame Stadium? Nop you know, open disclaimer. I grew up
and I couldn't stand Notre Dame. And I know that

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when I say that, You know, Notre Dame fans get
like so angry when when they hear you say that.
And I'm like, guys, you have to understand part of
your program. Part of the mystique, part of the allure,
part of the brand of Notre Dame is the fact
that you either love them or hate them. There's no
in between, and that's actually the ultimate compliment. Wouldn't you

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rather be a program that has that sort of polarization
than a program that people go, yeah, they're fine, you know,
I mean Rutgers, I mean anybody that's like, I can't
stand Rutgers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yeah, they're fine, They're just there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Minnesota soda is the crown jewel of this You meet
if you see somebody wearing a T shirt that says
Minnesota on it, you're like, well, that guy's clearly from Minnesota, because.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Nobody just goes out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yet you don't meet anybody from Fayetteville that's like, yeah,
I'm a huge Minnesota fan. You know, you don't walk
through the streets of Vegas and some guy walks up
wearing a Golden Gopher hat and you know, you're like, oh,
so twin Cities, now, Savannah, why are you wearing just
a big fan? But Notre Dame is one of those
programs that you either love it or hate it. And

(01:02:32):
I didn't like them. I didn't like Purdue either, because
I was an Indiana fan when I was a little kid.
But but nonetheless, I remember in middle school taking a
field trip to Notre Dame and you know, in the
it was in the non football season, it was in
the summertime, and even then I'm like, I just you know,
I didn't even like Digger Phelps, none of it. And

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then as a professional, the first time that I was
able to go to a football game at Notre Dame,
I was working at Channel six and the game was
on ABC, and so I went up to cover the
famous or infamous depending on which way you look at it,
the Reggie Bush you know, the original Push Push game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
And one of the things that jumps out at me
about that game was afterwards interviewing Matt Leinert and thinking
to myself, like, man, this dude, like it's kind of
like a space cadet. And then later we found out
he had been concussed in that game, and I'm like, man,
that makes perfect sense. But my point for Notre Dame

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fans is this, and for Purdue fans and Indiana fans
whatever else.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I grew up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
What I say, I didn't like Notre Dame. I mean,
like I would get like nervous energy about how much
I disliked Notre Dame. And when I went to that game,
and then afterwards, I was accosted by a seventy four
pound liver spot in a sweatshirt that said God Country
Notre Dame, who put a finger He was like ninety
years old, but put his finger into my chest and
thought I was with USC said.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
All I got to say is you Chale's going to
kick your tail next week.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
And I'm like, yeah, I'm just here covering the game.
But when I left that day, I got it. When
I went up there and I saw and it was
the simplicity of it. It was the simplicity of the
fact that it was just a stadium, a grass field,
the lines on it and gold helmets. And there was

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an understated nature of the fact that when you are
an illustrious program that is one of the most, if
not the most historic programs in all of college football,
you don't need a bunch of bells and whistles, you
don't need a bunch of glitz and glamour. You have
the number one thing on your side, which is heritage.

(01:04:55):
And when I went and I knew that obviously, but
when I went up to the state there and witnessed
it and saw all of it before me, it was
impossible to leave and not have the highest amount of
respect for Notre Dame and for that program. And as

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I have become an adult, I've become more objective in
terms of not having fan bias for the most part
in things. And one of the things that I've said
in that you know, there still is that part of
me that that little kid in me comes out where
I don't like Notre Dame per se. But one of
the things I've said about Marcus Freeman, if you are

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still a Notre Dame hater, and there are plenty of
them out there, the most unlikable thing about Marcus Freeman
is how likable he is. You want to root for
the guy, I mean, just seems like a super cool dude,
nice looking guy, nice young family, looks like a guy
that you would want to play for, looks like a

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guy that you would totally be comfortable sending your kids
to play for. Team plays hard and yeah, I know
that they've gotten off to the zero and two start.
That's a little bit surprising, but I think most people
still believe they're one of the better teams in the
country and from Produce standpoint, even though this game's at
Notre Dame, but from Produce standpoint, kind of the same
is true when I started covering games at night in

(01:06:21):
Ross aid. There's just something cool about the night games
up in West Lafayette and kind of the chill in
the air and all that. I've grown to really like
both programs. Having said all that, I think it'd be
cool pretty wins because I just think it'd be good
for Barry Odam and but Notre Dame. Tom's right, Notre

(01:06:41):
Dame's got to get it done, no question. Speaking of
getting it done, the Fever have to do exactly that
tonight or else the season's over. Tony East has been
covering them all season long, and we'll be doing so
again tonight. We will talk to them about what we
might be able to expect in Georgia, and we'll do
it next. It is not the Devil down in Georgia,
but the Fever are they take on the Atlanta Dream tonight.

(01:07:03):
Eddie Garrison will have the pregame on this radio station
that begins EDDIETT seven fifteen. It is correct the quarters
after seven thirty, and then the requarter becomes when you
are doing the postgame show, will you be talking about
a continuation of the Fever season or will we begin
recapping the season because it is tonight a win or

(01:07:24):
come back home and then stay there for the Indiana
Fever best of three And it is game three down
in Atlanta. Tony East joining us now to talk about that, Tony,
I'll begin with this. What was different other than the
fact the obvious, which was the score, But what did
the Fever do in game number two where they really
controlled the vast majority of that game that had eluded

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them in game number one.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
It's it's kind of a simple thing, but still very significant.
It was their point of attack defense, right. Kelsey Mitchell
after Game one said that that was one of the
biggest things. She felt like was an ishe you? The
dream players were getting wherever they wanted, able to set
up whatever action they wanted into the pain And while
the Fever defense was okay in game one, they couldn't

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stop enough. As my cat yells at me as you,
I'm sure you'll love to hear that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
What's the name of the kiddy?

Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
This is Winston. He is now eight months old. So
in game two. They were just way better doing that right.
Alicia Gray couldn't get into the lanes. She was four
for nineteen or something. Jordan Canada struggled, Ryan Howard struggled,
they were missing free throws. Everything was going wrong for Atlanta.
That was huge. That changed their whole fortune defensively in

(01:08:38):
the game. And for a team that's supposed to be
so good at shooting, the Dream couldn't make anything. And
so you know, Carl Smeskow, Atlanta head coach, after the game,
so yeah, their defense was way more Gressia. We did
not respond well to that, and I thought that was
the story of the difference of the game and why
the Fever were so much better.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I would like to know, by the way, musician World
World Leader for Olmer Anderson, Indiana Guard cigarettes. I'd like
to know Winston's name for who.

Speaker 6 (01:09:07):
I think my wife just thought it was cute if
we had to actually like pick a person. It's the
character from New Girl. I don't know if you ever
watched that show.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I've not seen that. I kind of like the cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I like the thought of the cat smoking cigarettes because
it's Winston.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
I don't call him Winston, I just call him squeeze,
So that was very easy to follow me. I was
very high pitched, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
All right, you know I thought it was tony when
I looked at If you were to just look at
the box score, you would say to yourself, Okay, the
Fever shot the ball better in game two than they
did game one.

Speaker 6 (01:09:43):
What's happened much better?

Speaker 7 (01:09:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Okay, so did they? The question is that sometimes shooters
just need to get in rhythm, and then other times
they they do things differently to set up shots to
get themselves better looks, and they come up with wrinkles
to get better looks. Was it just simply a matter
of there just wasn't touch in game one? Or did

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they make wrinkles in the way that they were distributing
to get open looks?

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
Some of both? I mean Game one was their worst
shooting performance of the whole season, right, like that is
clearly anomaly levels of bad. Not that Atlanta's defense isn't good,
but they made two threes the all game. Right, they
were dreadful with the jumpers that night, and that was it.
And so yes, they were generating better looks in game two,
and some of that is all season. They've told us

(01:10:35):
in media sessions, and they've been right to do so.
Our defense leads to our offense. If our defense is good,
will score better. When their defense was good in game two,
they turned that into you know, a ton of transition chances,
open threes, quick in the shot clock, whatever that was.
So I think it was two things from these games
to games. And this is what the dream Will kind
of hang their hat on, honestly, is that they shot

(01:10:57):
so bad in game one that they were naturally going
to be a little better in game two. But they
focused so much on better defense and it led to
better offense for them. Like Kelsey Mitchell made as many
threes in just the first quarter of Game two that
the whole Fever team did in Game one. Right, that
was such a big shift in their fortunes, and I
think they did a good job of actually working the
ball around to get those shots. That Lexi Hall three

(01:11:18):
was perfection to close the third quarter, but it came
in part because of his natural statistical progression and better defense.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
I thought, Tony, when you look at the situation the
Fever or and Tony East is our guest, and when
you look over the course of the season, they have
been so decimated by injury, and I think there was
a lot of thought from people of you know, whether
or not they would even get into the play You

(01:11:44):
know here they are right, I mean, there was certainly
that there was doubt. They kind of backpedaled their way
into the playoffs itself. But have you been impressed by
the their ability to kind of plug in different players
and still main ten at the level they have or
does that strictly speak to the fact that this is

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a league that does not have the number of teams
that the NBA does, and thus you have plenty of
available free agent players that are indeed capable starters right
from the get go. Is it credit Indiana the way
they went about doing it, or is it credit just
to the league itself that there is that level of
talent that's out there.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
I think it's some of both, because, Yeah, on one hand,
it's very easy to say, you know, they get Chloe
Bibby and Aerry McDonald midseason and they're both great, and go, well,
look at that. The league's too small. They're expanding, and
these expansion teams will be good, and there's a lot
of good free agents, like Golden State just made the playoffs.
As an expansion team, right, Like, that does show what
is possible with just players who are not on rosters.

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So in some ways it is a talent, but it's
not just that because both of those players were on
different teams this season, right Aaron McDonald was in LA
for training camp, Chloe Bibby was on the Valkyries earlier
this season, Odyssey Sims was on the Sparks earlier this season,
Aeriel Powers on Golden State this season. Like all their
players that they've had on hardship deals, we're on different

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teams at a different point the season pre haul two
and all of them, basically all of them, I would say,
are playing better for the Fever than their first team
for whatever reason that is, volume, situation, comfortability, whatever. And
I think that is a testament to what their coaching
staff and style is able to do. Is they're able
to get players up to speed very quickly. And now, honestly,
some of that is that they've had a ton of

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reps doing it right, they're so used to it now
on what that process should look like, how they get
the player of the playbook, keep a temple and all that.
But I think they have done better than other teams,
even as we've seen with players that they've had this
year at getting those players up the speed and making
them look effective and helpful, Like they're playing four players
right now who weren't even on their team to start,
three or four players weren't another team to start the season,

(01:13:56):
real playoff rotation minutes, and none of them look bad.
They're certainly all being helpful in some way. So I
think that's been a huge part of their seasons, their
ability to see that. It says a lot about like
the build that they've had, because last year, when players
came in and out, or even before last year, they
were just totally dead on arrival. So that is a
big part of our franchise growth.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Have you been I'll use the term surprised for lack
of a better word, but what is I guess the
better way of saying it. Your assessment been of the
fact that I personally thought Tony and feel free to
tell me that this is my own ignorance. When she
first entered the league, I was under the assumption or
just expectation, that Aliah Boston was going to be an

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offensive centerpiece and that plays and offense were going to
run through her. Because she had been such a dominant
college player, but perhaps I was naive to just the
style of play in the W and kind of the
open style that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
It works with.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Have you been surprised at all that she has not
been a look the ball has to go through her
on every possession level offensive play.

Speaker 6 (01:15:00):
Yeah, it's really interesting. Two things. One is out of college.
I think actually her biggest selling point as a prospect
was her defense. She was like probably the best defensive
player in the country for last year at South Carolina,
and obviously was a good offensive player too, but the
fact that she was a two way player made her
show so valuable and such an obvious number one pick.
But I think what you're asking has honestly been like
a big story of the season. Stepping White all the

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time when they were going in and out of point
guard and everybody's hurt and they don't know what to do.
Is like, we got to play through Lea Moore. We've
got to figure out how to do that. And so
some of it is like I think execution, like they
want to use her as a fulcrum at the top
of the key or at the threat at the elbow
more often and for some reason, whether that's because they've
had a turnstile of point guards, whether that's just poor execution,

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whether that's something else hasn't happened. Maybe that's on a
liah for not demanding the ball more. I would not
call that her personality or anything like that, so perhaps
that's a part of it. But yeah, I think they
do need to do that more. She is, you know,
outside of Kelsey Mitchell, their most totent offensive player certainly,
and is really talented and getting her involved has helped
them that. She was much better in game two than

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Game one and game one she was great at the
start and the people were winning, and then that kind
of faded away. But the other part of this is
the difference between the college game. I got lucky that
I interviewed Aleah the first day she came to India
after the draft, and we happened to do the interview
on the fever Core And while we were talking, she
kept looking down and I couldn't figure out why, And
it's because she was looking at the paint and she

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was like, the paint is this wide like in the pros,
this is how big it is? Like you catch father
from the basket. There's three in the key. There's all
this different stuff that changes your game and how impactful
you can be. And I think that is changed how
she's had to impact the game and what she's done
in a way that made her not quite the same
player she was in college.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Tony East is our guest at Tony R. East on
the ex post Twitter and of course locked on Pacers
Forbes as well, where you can see and hear his
work Tony before we let you go, obviously, before we
know what it's going to be here, which is hard
to believe. And that is just a pacer season. And
I still keep going back to in my mind, you know,

(01:17:03):
the Halliburton injury, and it's like I almost forget that.
Oh gosh, that's right, he's not going to be there
this year, and then Myles Turner. But let's begin with
Halliburton just in terms of what you hear or see.
Everything seems to be that he is on timeline or
maybe even ahead of it, but will not play this
year obviously, But what do you hear an aspect of

(01:17:24):
that in terms of there have been no setbats, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
Correct yep, nothing yet out of the boot. Sometimes I
think now maybe always he told us it would be
about this time shooting free throws on his Instagram story.
I think that was a shoot promo and not actually
him being healthy, but good for him shooting some free
throws moving around. So yeah, certainly on the path, I
think we're going to see a lot of Tyree's Halliburton

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arms stuff, shooting stand still jumpers, dribbling a ball but
not moving hardly at all. But yes, believe completely on
track to this point.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
You know the other guy that I'm curious about, tell me,
do you believe that over the course of a season.
You know, Andrew Nemhart is a really good player. I
mean we know that and nem Hart has had moments
and flashes when Halliburton has been unavailable or where they
need that level of backcourt scoring. Nem Hart has been
able to rise to those occasions. Do you believe he

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can sustain that over the course of a season when now,
all of a sudden, he is a microscope guy from
the other team's defense.

Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
And required to be good, right Like, if they're going
to be good and them hard has to be.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
A good player.

Speaker 6 (01:18:31):
Yeah. I've had a lot of trouble answering that question. Truly,
because I mean, you know, you were there at these
games like Game three and four of the conference finals
two years ago, and he was unguardable, right, the best
events in the league. Boston was like, we can't stop
this guy, right, And he's had many games like that
throughout his career, here and there, the legendary Golden State
game where he just destroys that furry great playoff games

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all the time, but that's the thing. They're legendary because
they're like not frequent or like not consistently what he does.
And that's what this season needs to be about, is
he has to be like all the time, a good
point guard, creating shots for others, able to get in
the lane, keep the ball moving, stuff like that. We
know he can do it. He did it at Gonzaga.
He's done it at times before, but not with any

(01:19:13):
sort of like consistency or Okay, this is clearly a
lead creator for a really good team level. That's one
of the biggest stories of the season is can he
do it? How much frequency can he do it with?
What's the right volume? How did he keep other guys involved?
Because the flashes are crazy, right, The flashes are like,
oh perfect, like they're gonna be just fine and they
could make the playoffs or playing it again or whatever.

(01:19:34):
But they're just that, they're flashes. And I know the
team believes that he can do it. I know he
believes he can do it. But can he And that
could be a huge question. And how much do they
have to change their system, if at all, to make
it possible, because that's the other part of this. They
play so fast and move but all so much because
of Haliburton. They don't have him this year. How much
are they going to be willing to change things to
make other guys better when it might not matter that
much in a year.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
From now, Tony do you think considering that this year again,
it's just this weird year probably the easiest way to
say it, right, this gap year a year it will.

Speaker 6 (01:20:02):
Perfect, But I I know, I just I can't weird.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
We'll just say weird. It's gonna be weird.

Speaker 6 (01:20:09):
When I heard somebody said that you would love because
specifically it's Halliburton who's out for the year, they should
call it a leap year.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
I thought that was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Well, that's solid for those that don't know Tyry's Haliburton
born on leap here that that's pretty solid, right, although, yeah,
although he can't leap, that's the only problem there, right
all you know what I mean, right, you know what
I mean. So it's the non leap year basically. But
so here's the thing though, when you look at between
Huff Wiseman and Isaiah Jackson, and I do love Isaiah Jackson,

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but he's also coming off the Achilles, So there's a
big question mark there. Do you believe that this year
is about grooming and auditioning those three to find out
which one is your long term answer there? Or are
they simply rotating through filling and warming that seat until
they go out next year through free agency and get
the Miles Turner placement.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
I think they would hope that one of those guys
is the answer. And I think they clearly believe in
their you know, ability to heal these Achilles injuries because
they resigned two of them or both of them, right,
and it'll help them learn more about the process for Tyreech.
But yeah, I think they got to hope it's one
of them, right, because it's really hard for them to
functionally get like a high paid, good starting center right now.

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They could trade for a guy, a rookie, still you
don't pay him more later. So figuring out their center
situation is really interesting, and I think.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
That I did.

Speaker 6 (01:21:29):
Jactually's quite good, but who knows what he's going to
be like post Achilles, Like his whole thing is athleticism.
Is he going to have the same level? Huff looks
good last year he's played ninety five total NBA games.
The Paters played more than that last year in total
between the playoffs, right, Like, you have no idea how
good these guys are going to be, And so that's
I think their hope. But I think you're right that
maybe like not stop gap or placement, but you know,

(01:21:51):
it is like a fill in, like hopefully it's one
of these guys. We'll see before they have to really
figure it out when Haliburn's back as they try to
compete again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Okay, seven thirty tonight, it is the and the Atlanta
Dream down in Atlanta, Tony East, appreciate the time, and
who knows, man, maybe we'll be talking to you again
about another round for the Fever depending on what happens tonight,
But appreciate the time.

Speaker 6 (01:22:12):
There's a chance we find out tonight that they're hosting
the second round. Jakes could be crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
I did see somebody. Yeah, they were talking about that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
It all depends on what happens between Las Vegas and Seattle,
but we will keep our eye on it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Tony. Appreciate it. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
I mentioned earlier the we were talking about Purdue and
Notre Dame and last year what a disaster that was. Eddie,
what is think about this and tell me on the
other side. I want to know the sporting event that
you went to with the most anticipation and excitement that
turned out to be the biggest dud and like five
minutes into it, you were just thinking to yourself, this
was the worst decision of all time. Think about that.

(01:22:48):
Let me know on the other side. Okay, Eddie, before
you tell me about a time when you went to
an away game and it was a total disaster and
all of the build up and excitement and anticipation and
then you were like, why the world did I put
myself through this? If you could please the breaking news sounder.

(01:23:11):
This just in from West fifty six. Both Tyler Warren,
who has a toe issue and Josh Downs who has
one of his four ankles issue. That's a reference to
something said earlier in the show. Both are practicing today.
Both misspracticed yesterday. Both are back on the practice field today.

(01:23:31):
Matt Taylor, Voice of the Colts, coming up just about
thirty six minutes from now. Is there a game that
comes to mind for you, Eddie? I mentioned it only
because with Purdue and Notre Dame playing this weekend, if
you were, there was so much excitement, so much anticipation
a year ago for Purdue going into that game against
Notre Dame, and I believe that was a home game

(01:23:52):
still but nonetheless, like you go to it and then
you sit there and you're like, oh my gosh, nightmare.
You had a game like that that you attended.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
I'm trying to remember what year this was. It was
the year the Colts played on Thanksgiving against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Okay, that game, so you were super stoked, right, You
go to the game and you just want to crawl away, right, Yes,
there are probably I would imagine. I mean, obviously the
Colts Steelers game in the Nick Harper Ben Roethlisberger trip

(01:24:34):
up wide right field goal would be one that comes
to mind for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
You know I think I mentioned, like we were just
talking about this last week, Shannon went to Game seven
YEP in Oklahoma City, and you know, you can imagine
like there was so and I mean it goes without saying,
I mean, we all know what happened, but she just
you know, to have to sit there and watched the

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rest of that game knowing. And they were up at
the half right but once it got away, it got
away pretty heavily. That would be pretty rough. There was
one game where I drove from Indy to Raleigh, North
Carolina on a whim. I just like, I'm just gonna
go to go see. At that time, Sammy Watkins, I think,

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was a freshman for Clemson. Clemson was like six or
seven and zero, and they were ranked in the BCS
back when they did it that way, And they played
at North Carolina State and I bought a ticket outside
out in front of the stadium. I got there a
little bit later. It was like a three o'clock start maybe,
and I got a little bit late. I got there
late because I was kind of sight seeing around and

(01:25:46):
took longer to get in than I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
And I walked in it was literally seven.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Minutes into the game, and they were down twenty seven
to three, and I was wearing big Clemson sweatshirt, and
I mean, you know you're sitting there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
What in the world am I doing? Now? I've got
a six hundred mile drive home. Brutal? No, I will say, Jake.
That was the game that Scott Tolzene was starting for
Andrew luck In. The highlight of that game was the
thirty five yard pass from Pat McAfee to Dwayne Allen
on fourth down on the fake punt.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
I remember Scott Tolsane, man, I mean dig that one
up from the archives, Scott Tolzine, Right, can.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
You name the Colts leading rusher in that game? Boyd?

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
My years all run together, and so I'm probably gonna
I was twenty sixteen boom Heron No, am, I closes, No,
give me the university of said player, the University of Connecticut.
Donald Brown? No, okay, Ama, Donald Donald Brown would have

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been well before that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
I realized you, I don't think you'll ever get him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Do I get some credit for the boom heron call?
You get some there? Vic Ballard, by the way, is
now like an electrical engineer. Yeah, very cool?

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Yeah, all right, hit me Jordan Todman.

Speaker 8 (01:27:06):
Boy, if you would have locked me in a room
with that question and I couldn't come out until I
got it right, you'd have found a skeleton in two years.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Yeah, I remember watching Antonio Brown catch three touchdown. I
was like, well, at least my fantasy team's doing well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I mean, there were a lot of early years on
Monday Night football going down to games where you're just like,
you know. I think one time I went to this
was in the in the early to mid nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
We'll have to look this up later.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
I went to a Monday night game between the Colts
and the Buffalo Bills where it was like nine to three.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
A lot too in ward, also practicing. So it looks
like Mooney will be back on the field this week
for the Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
So the Colts, those players, if they are playing it
will be down in Nashville. Are we gonna take a
road trip next, Yes we are. We will head down.
Eddie will load up a bachelorette bus and we are
heading to Nashville next. Telling you Nashville and it's an
awesome city, but the whole Vegas feel to it, it

(01:28:10):
does feel like it has become the bachelorette party capital
of the world, and it's almost more like a like
Vegas is the has the reputation of, you know, the
guys Weekend, even though now it's become a more family
friendly environment in Vegas. But it does feel like Nashville
is kind of the girls like the girls weekend get away, right,

(01:28:33):
I mean literally, and you don't if you're driving there
and you have like a a rental car with a
blind spot, and you don't have to necessarily worry about
like accidentally cutting off one of the bachelorette buses because
you hear them coming from three blocks away. That's what
it sounds like the whole time. That's not an ambulance,

(01:28:55):
by the way, that's right. Those are all the wol
girls joining us now and perhaps avoiding exactly that he
is from the Nashville Post talking about the Titans and
Colts this weekend. He joins us on the guest line
John Glennon on the program John, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
I'm doing well?

Speaker 7 (01:29:09):
How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Was that a fair assessment of Broadway or am I
over selling it?

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
I think you nailed it. I think you hit it
right on the head.

Speaker 9 (01:29:16):
There.

Speaker 7 (01:29:16):
There there's little doubt that we are the national capital
of bachelorette parties. And kind of the fascinating thing is
that they travel in every manner of vehicle now too.
Like you you mentioned the bush. Sometimes we see tractor
polls with with loads of bachelorettes in the background. Uh
you know, We've we've got other you know, like vans

(01:29:38):
or or open bed trucks with pools in the back
and hot tubs. So yeah, if you come to Nashville
and you're around downtown on a weekend, you are you're
going to see a few bachelorette parties without question.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
I don't know that I would necessarily want to be
running around telling everybody that my fiance is away on
a tractor.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Poll, right, you know what I mean? Like the the
sawed off top of the school bus is passable, but
the tractor pull seems to be a little condescending.

Speaker 7 (01:30:05):
It's me, I don't know, Yeah, I just I don't
see that and think, you know, hey boy, you know
I got to get on one of those tractors and
right around pad Just yeah that that doesn't strike me
as a must do either. But apparently they're doing pretty
well because they've been around for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
You know, I'm going to be before we get into
the nuances and x's and o's of this game, John,
I want it for anybody that's listening that may be
going down to Nashville for this game this weekend. And
it is a great spot to go down for, you know,
for Colts fans over the years to go for away
games just because it's a great city. But I know
that they are building the new stadium right next door.

(01:30:42):
How much has that made it difficult in terms of
parking and getting in and out of the stadium or
is it relatively unaffected from what people have done in
the past.

Speaker 7 (01:30:53):
You know, the last couple of years have been you know,
there's been construction there and some people certainly have had
to alter their usual strategies of getting there that you know,
there's a lot more buses, a lot more parking areas
around town that you can park and take buses or
shuttles in there. You know. Of course, we being the

(01:31:14):
lucky few that still get the media parking, so it
hasn't really affected us too much. And you know, I
guess sad to say the Titans have been kind of
poor enough the last couple of years that crowds haven't
exactly you know, been filling up Nissan Stadium. So from
that standpoint, you know, the traffic hasn't been too bad,

(01:31:37):
even with all that new construction going on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Okay, that construction includes the team itself, obviously, because they're
in a makeover period with cam Ward at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
It is very early.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
It goes without saying and being I mean, I think
we now know in Indianapolis how long it takes to
determine whether a guy's the guy or not. But when
you have a quarterback like that, Tennessee has offensively come
up with what sort of a scheme or what sort
of looks that Indianapolis should anticipate seeing on Sunday.

Speaker 7 (01:32:07):
Well, you know, there's not necessarily a wealth of offensive
options with this team right now. You know, I think
we're seeing some promise that that maybe, you know, Colts fans,
we'll get a look at some some young receivers that
will be around for a while. Two rookies, Elec Iomanor
and Chim ray Dk both have impressed in the first

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couple of weeks. I am Manor was on the receiving
end of that that crazy cam Ward touchdown pass, last
week where he held the ball for eight seconds. So
those guys, you know, keep an eye on them. Of course,
Calvin Ridley is a talented veteran, but you know, yeah,
you will see some things that cam Ward did pretty

(01:32:52):
well in college here. And of course one of the
things that he excelled at at in Miami was was
downfield pass. Uh. That hasn't gone so well, I would
say in the first couple of weeks. And and you know,
I think it's something that that most quarterbacks have to
learn when they come from the college game, especially when

(01:33:13):
they're big play kind of guys that occasionally, you know,
you have to take that checkdown pass that that moved
the chains on a pass as opposed to taking, you know,
kind of one big shot down field after another. And
I think that's one of the first lessons that cam
Ward is learning.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
How have they done in terms of just protection of cam.

Speaker 7 (01:33:31):
Warden Not well, not too well, you know, eleven sacks
in the first two weeks, which is you know, kind
of all the more disappointing because of the money they
invested in that offensive line this year. You know, they
they went out, first thing they did in free agency
was they got Dan Moore their new starting left tackle

(01:33:52):
to have, you know, signed them to a like a
four year, eighty two million dollar deal. You know, they
got a veteran right guard from Detroit and Kevin Zeitler,
you know, brought him at nine million per year. They
moved J. C. Latham the tackle from left to right
where he'd played in college. They figured that would be
a good move. And you know, at center, you've got
a high price free agent from twenty twenty four in

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Lloyd Cushionberry. But the end result so far has not
been good. You know, probably of those eleven sacks, I
think three have been attributed to cam Ord, you know,
maybe holding the ball a little bit too long. That
still leaves you with eight sacks you know, that are
attributed to offensive line or running back situations. So it's

(01:34:37):
not been a good you know start from that standpoint
for the Titans, and that was something that certainly bothered
this team quite a bit last year.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
One of the things John, I've always felt John Glenn
and our guests from the Nashville Post talking about the
Titans and Colts this Sunday, one aspect that I've always
felt is really underrated and We've talked about it a
lot on this show, but I want to get your
thoughts on it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
You can go.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Out out and accumulate five offensive linemen that are all
a seven and a half or hire in terms of
their skill set, but if they're not used to playing
with one another, oftentimes that's almost an inferior line to
a group that might be all sixes but are used
to one another's tendencies. Especially when you're moving guys from
left to right. It just seems to me like an

(01:35:22):
offensive line takes literally a half a year for guys
to understand what's around them and then kind of gel
together as a line itself. Does your observation of the
NFL tell you the same thing?

Speaker 7 (01:35:38):
Yeah, I think you're accurate there. And you know, you
look at the five man front and three of those
five guys are new, Two are absolutely new to the team.
And then, as I mentioned, Latha moves from left tackle
to right tackle this year, So yeah, a lot of
newness there. And you know, because some of these guys
are veterans, like a Zeitler and Cushion Berry was coming

(01:36:01):
back from injury, they didn't get a chance, you know,
in any of the preseason games to play all five
of them together in any of the preseason contests either.
And then we've already seen a couple of injuries, you know,
to the offensive line in the first two games. In fact,
you know, there's a chance basically the right side of
the lines Zeitler and Latham Whight both miss you know,

(01:36:24):
Sunday's game. We'll have to see how things play out.
But yeah, so they really haven't had that great amount
of time together yet to kind of form that chemistry.
And as of right now, as I say it's not
it's not off to a good start. You could sort
of say, Okay, they've gone up against two very good
defensive fronts, and that's true. Denver led the league in

(01:36:46):
sacks last year and the Rams have a you know,
a pretty outstanding front seven as well. But nonetheless, at
some point, especially when you have you know, the future
of the franchise presumably playing quarterback, you know, you think
things have to get better in that department.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
Okay, John, We're going to pretend that Shane Styken calls
you on the phone, right and he says, John, Shane Steiken,
head coach Indianapolis Colts, and then he speaks really fast
and typically in very short cliches. But in this case
he's going to have a conversation with you, and he says, look,
you cover the Tennessee Titans. I got a quarterback in
Daniel Jones that has just been excellent for me through

(01:37:25):
two games. I've got a tight end and Tyler Warren
that is exactly as advertised. Got a good running back
in Johnathan Taylor. I've got a bevy of receivers for
Daniel Jones to throw around to. But I want to
make sure that we're keeping on stride with what we've
done through two games. Can you, John Glennam, please tell
me what it is that Tennessee shows defensively. That is

(01:37:46):
their biggest vulnerability that I need to scheme to take
advantage of to keep Daniel Jones confident and.

Speaker 7 (01:37:53):
Rolling well, I would say, Shane, you've got a few
options so far. I might not limit it to just
one thing that you're gonna have to. You know that
that is a deficiency on the Titans side of the
ball because they really haven't done a good job. You know,
for several years they were at least very good at
stopping the run. Last year was not a good you know,

(01:38:16):
season for stopping the run, and so far the first
two games about one hundred and fifty yards average against
on the ground and they've given up, you know, two
big chunk carries of over forty yards, one in each
of the two games. So that is troublesome for the Titans,
you know, And I would also say the pass rush

(01:38:36):
is a deficiency for the Titans. You know, you can
you can certainly bank on Daniel Jones probably having a
little bit more time than usual. The Titans have all
of two sacks in the first two games, and really
Jeffrey Simmons is the only guy that's been bringing consistent
pressure in there. The Titans just don't have much on
the on the edges right now. So you know, when

(01:38:59):
when you're a kind of having a hard time stop
on the run and you're having a hard time getting
after the passer, that doesn't necessarily bode too well for
the defense.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
This is season number John, I'm trying to guess here,
would this be what season twenty seven in Nashville for
the Titans? Somewhere in there?

Speaker 7 (01:39:17):
That sounds about right. I think that is accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Out of curiosity, and I'm always I call this the
Willie McGee factor. Willie McGee is the player that in
Saint Louis, he is a beloved figure. But I think
people outside of Saint Louis would be surprised to know
that Willy McGee is. You know, Jeff Foster's that way
here right, Like, I don't know, you know, Jeff Foster
was a super popular pacer, and people outside Indiana probably

(01:39:42):
be like, really, Jeff Foster was a beloved guy. Give
me the player for the Titans overall. That is a
beloved figure that perhaps is not thought of outside of
Nashville as being a long term Titan.

Speaker 7 (01:39:57):
Hmmm, that's a good question. You know, I might think
of one who unfortunately, you know, passed away, you know,
not all that long ago, and that would be Frank Whitechek,
the tight end you know, who played for so many years.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Uh he pretty big pass completion in his career.

Speaker 7 (01:40:20):
Yes he did, Yes, he did.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:40:23):
He was part of the Music City miracle of course,
through that pass all the way across the field to
Kevin Diyson against the Buffalo Bills and the playoffs, and
Dison scored on the last second, you know, seventy five
yard touchdown return. But yeah, you know, he he made
maybe you know, one or two Pro bowls potentially, but
because of the kind of person, well, he wasn't an

(01:40:43):
uber talented, skilled, you know type player. And and you know,
I believe was originally a UDFA. You know, he became
a very much beloved type of player here in Nashville.
Was a great you know target for Steve McNair over
the years. Uh, and and afterwards too, you know, he

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remained very much a part of the community for several years.
So that one comes to mind. I would say, uh,
top of the top of the charts as a person
that may be around the country, you know, doesn't get
as much notice, but certainly here again, I would say
a beloved type character.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Okay, I'm gonna guess the foremost popular players in Titan's history.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
You ready, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
McNair, Yeah, Eddie, George, Yep, I'll go. I'm gonna go
curveball here, Javon Curse.

Speaker 7 (01:41:38):
Possibly, yeah, yeah, possibly.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
I would say carry Collins.

Speaker 7 (01:41:46):
I don't know if I can give you carry Collins
on the on the on the Mount Rushmore, if you will.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Okay, certainly very popular. Chris Johnson, Chris Johnson.

Speaker 7 (01:41:56):
Johnson, Uh would certainly be a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Uh well, Kevin Dyson.

Speaker 7 (01:42:05):
Con Dyson for for what he did. Sure, I would say,
you know, here's another one that doesn't get too much
national attention. But Derek Mason was tremendous, you know what,
tremendous wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Just because he's an Indie native. We're gonna throw Blaine
Bishop in there.

Speaker 7 (01:42:20):
There you go, that's another good one too. Yeah, you know,
he started in Houston, but certainly has some great years
and Pro Bowl years for the for the Titans here
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Okay, John, before we let you go, I'm curious of
this and just being on the beat in Nashville that
is such a growing city and such a great city,
and this is both of these leagues. I'm kind of
fascinated that, you know, Baseball has been one that's been rumored.
I mean, when the White Sox, it seems like Naphville
always comes up in conversation between the NBA and MLB.

(01:42:52):
Which one is more likely to eventually land themselves a
franchise in Nashville.

Speaker 7 (01:42:58):
That's a good question. I suspect it would be MLB,
you know, and you know, maybe one of the main
reasons I think, you know, You've got an NBA franchise
in Memphis on the other side of the state, and
you know it's only three hours three three and a
half hours away, So maybe the league would probably steer

(01:43:20):
clear of that, I would think. And there's a tremendous
amount of enthusiasm for for MLB here. Uh, there's no
doubt about. You know, a ton of Atlanta fans here,
a ton of Saint Louis fans, both those cities within
driving distance. The one thing they don't have right now

(01:43:40):
is that huge, walleted, deep pocketed guy that's gonna say, yeah,
here's the money, you know, for for an expansion team.
EF that's you know, if that is indeed the case.
So you know a lot of people say maybe it's
going to start stretching the sports dollar too thin. You know,
feel is not a massive city.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Well, and you got the Predators there too, which are
I mean, the Predators are a huge sell right.

Speaker 7 (01:44:06):
Yeah, yeah, they sure are. They've they've been selling out
for a while. So that that is kind of one
of the big questions if there's enough sports dollar to
go around, especially with MLB. You know, obviously you've got
the eighty two home games, so Yeah, that's a that's
a question mark, but I know the enthusiasm certainly is

(01:44:27):
there for an expansion team.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
Well, John, we appreciate the time.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
As always, we will probably reach out to you again
here coming up just before Halloween as a matter of fact,
when the Titan step come up here and we'll see
where things stand there. But certainly look forward to this
Sunday and appreciate the time and the perspective on the game.

Speaker 7 (01:44:45):
Sounds good, all right, thanks for having me guys.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
John Glennon joining us from the Nashville Post. You probably
heard Eddie in the background. Did you hear one of
the Bachelor parties in the background. I'm telling you that's
you do it. You're like your own human siren, is
what you are when you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
When I did the moves back to back like I
did earlier, I was like, oh, that was probably not
a good idea. It sounds a little bit like a
an emergency vehicle.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
And you can't do that on the radio. Yeah, I
can't play those because people might be in their car now.
And I can't recall you said you have or have
not done like a weekend in Nashville. I have not
it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
I've done Gallenberg, but I have not done Nashville.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Yeah, I mean, for basically being an exact five hour drive,
it really is a cool city. I mean there's a
and the Broadway thing is. I mean it's it's basically
two blocks, but it is unreal how crowded it gets
and how lively it gets. And they've got a great
They have an Amphitheater that just opened I think two
years ago that is in like.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
A former rock Cory.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
It's it's it's in Franklin, which is basically the Caramel
of Nashville, but it's on the far south side of
the city. But it is an awesome venue. Now, I
was there for I believe if it wasn't the first show,
it was one of the first shows with IndyCar we
were down there. Michael Young got his tick. It's to
see Greta Van Fleet. Are you familiar with Greta Van Fleet?

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
Familiar with Gretavan?

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
They were massive, Like, there was this huge crowd and
everybody was going crazy over it. And then and they
had a couple of songs that I knew and it
was a good show. I mean, they put on a
good show. I've never heard of them since, I mean
I have, but it seems to me like they they
were going to be the next big thing, and then
they plateaued. Am I wrong in that? You're probably not
wrong in that? No, Like what what level now are

(01:46:26):
they in terms of bands?

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Probably a four or five if you were doing on
skill of ten. Really before when they first came out,
wasn't there thought though that they were like on their
way they were they were rising up into like the
eight or ten category. Probably? Yeah, Yeah, they sound just
like led Zeppelin.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
If you like literally the guy and I think he
even was like kind of dressed like led Zeppelin. I mean,
it was a little bit like if they were very good.
But for a second I felt like I was, you know,
it was they were going to come out and say
like it's get the leadout. You're led Zeppelin tribute band.
And before the show we Michael Young hooked us up
somehow with He's like, yeah, I have passes in here

(01:47:06):
where we can go in and like get a beer
or whatever. And we were in this little area behind
the stages. The warmup band was playing, and they they
brought out this little thing with food on it, and
I went and got some food and kind of not
cut in front of this guy, but I got essentially
the last of the food offering, and the guy behind
me looked very dejected fo disappointed. The food was good.

(01:47:30):
And then I found out that the guy that that
the food was actually for the band. And I didn't
realize it, but we were in the little area with
the band, so there's a little there's a little guy
in like a leisure suit, and I'm just like, oh sorry,
I didn't realize that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
This food was for you. That's a yate. Yeah, it
was a little uncomfortable, but the band, they put on
a decent show.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
But anyway, it is for and I would I haven't
heard of I would assume there are a lot of
people heading down there right heading down for the game
from Indy.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Tickets would be cheap, driveable.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
What do you think that? What's right now? What is
the going the the the entry price.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Fifty nine dollars, that's my guess. Fifty nine dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
All right, we'll look it up. I'll go with forty
one bucks. One guy that is going to be there,
Matt Taylor, and he joins us next that sounds like Zeppelin,
doesn't it it's a good song. Yeah, I can hear it,
and they put on a good show, great van fleet.
But but there was definitely part of it where I
was like, is this a led Zeppelin tribute band joining us?

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
He is the Robert Plant of the NFL play by
play announcers. I was thinking about this Jake because he
goes on the morning show on Fridays and he has
this little section of the conversation where it's Taylor's tidbits.
I was thinking maybe we were phrases, you know, in
some way or for him to where it it's time
to get tailored, or it's time to visit the tailor.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
It's time to get tailored. Typically, if you get tailored,
you're getting an orange fluff caake from Taylor's Bakery. And
I think Matt Taylor'd be cool with that, right if
I said that that's what that should be. Getting tailored
should be reserved for. Let's ask Matt what what he'd
liked to be our third they visit to me known
as Matt Taylor joins us, Now, any thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Matt?

Speaker 9 (01:49:05):
Hey, listen, it's your show. You can do whatever you want.
Those are the rules they put when they put your name.

Speaker 7 (01:49:10):
On it, you can do whatever you want.

Speaker 9 (01:49:12):
Listen, we can visit, we can visit the tailor and
I'll do your end theme and I'll make sure you
got you know, the proper length and it's it's cut
and trim and.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
That's good to look, all right, fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
And I do like the fact that I don't agree
with you necessarily on the fact that if my name's
on it, I can do what I want.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
But you know, I am. I do have my feet
up on the desk right now for what that's.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
Well, well, it's not my show.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
I can tell you that, all right, Well it is
now at least when you're on Okay, let's get to this.
And that is the good news is when it comes
to the Coltons and Titans, the Colts, excuse me, and
Titans on Sunday, looks like from the Indianapolis standpoint, the
health report is good or at least better today than yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Correct.

Speaker 9 (01:49:55):
Yeah, the non contact jersey, you know, the red jersey
that guys in the concussion protocol where to make sure
that they can get through all the different five steps
of the process of the concussion protocol. You know, Tarvarius
Ward is is out of that are those steps I
should say. So he's back at practice in full yesterday.

(01:50:17):
I would think that his designation today would be similar.
And then of course Tyler Warren and Josh Dowens were
back at practice today, which was good. I think it
was more of a precaution rest day, you know, for
both guys. It's a long season.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:50:32):
You know, Warren played over sixty snaps, which is a
lot for a tight end in week two, so you know,
just kind of monitoring things, uh, you know, just keeping
an eye on guys's usage and you know, just the
wear and tear in their body. So kind of a
normal thing to be, you know, cautious on Wednesday, but
good to see them back out today and uh trending

(01:50:55):
towards you know, being fully available for for Sunday and
same thing layouts. Latsu, I think he was limited yesterday.
We'll see what that says today. But it'd be big
on the defensive side of the ball to get both
Ward and Latsu back to difference makers, you know, within
their respective layers of that defense.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Matt, let me give you an observation from Afar and
then you tell me as somebody who is much closer
to it, if if I'm even within the ballpark of accurate,
because I think this may be completely inaccurate. Okay, but
the my outside observation is that Daniel Jones is kind

(01:51:35):
of one of those leaders that you know, the quarterback
naturally is the leader of the team. I mean there's
just by you just are and when you're the quarterback,
and leadership comes in a lot of different forms. I've
always said that in Matt, I think you were around
it when Peyton Manning would turn the corner in the
locker room, it was like, I mean that was he
was the alpha and there was no question everything.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
Everybody shut up right totally.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
Like it was like what and he didn't have to
say anything. I mean he was and asking that of people.
It just happened that way, right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Daniel Jones to me, and we don't know him well,
but he strikes me as the kind of guy that
isn't a push to chest out, an overly vociferous like
raw rop pat on the back, lifting up teammates kind
of guy, but rather a I've just got my playbook
and I keep my nose down and I do what's

(01:52:25):
asked of me, and I turn my homework in on time,
and therefore guys have learned to respect that I've gone
about it that way and that's my form of leadership.
Any accuracy to that.

Speaker 9 (01:52:37):
Yeah, I think you nailed it spot on, to be
honest with you, because that's exactly what I see too.
And when i'm you know, noticing the vibe and the
energy in the locker room, I pick up on the
same things where guys Daniel's not, You're right. I mean,
Daniel's not like you know, he's not going to point

(01:52:58):
at guys and scream in guy's face when they make
a mistake, but he is He's not going to just
let those things go too.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
I think there's a good little balance.

Speaker 9 (01:53:07):
There of of you know, you know, lifting guys up
but also holding guys accountable to And it's all the
stuff that he that he does for himself because he is,
you know, to your point, very much a you know,
first guy in, last guy out, very professional, cares deeply about, uh,
you know, wanting to be good. And I also think

(01:53:29):
that he has a chip on his shoulder, you know,
to change the perception of his his you know, ability
to play quarterback in the NFL. And I mean through
two games, he is the next version of you know,
whatever you want to say, Geno Smith or Sam Darnold
or Baker Mayfield career resurgence, you know, guy that goes

(01:53:51):
to a different you know, setting a new team. You know,
seems to be fitting in greatly with Shane Steichen.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
So far, so good, absolutely.

Speaker 9 (01:53:59):
Through two games. But he's a quiet guy, but also
is very intentional about everything.

Speaker 7 (01:54:05):
That he does.

Speaker 9 (01:54:05):
I mean you're hearing stories about how he's inviting guys
to go to dinner and you know they're going to
go bowling. And I mean if you just walk down
to the cafeteria, you know, five days a week, Monday
through Friday, you see him sitting with a different guy
or a different group of guys every single day because
he's just trying to be intentional about connecting with everybody
on the team. And I think you're right. I think

(01:54:27):
you hit on something that's really important. It's really the
way that we, for whatever reason, how we've gotten here
as a football society, how we judge quarterbacks and how
we put so much on their plate.

Speaker 7 (01:54:39):
It's it's really unfair.

Speaker 9 (01:54:40):
I mean, we have quarterback power rankings that come out
every week and you know, we scrutinize every throw that
they make. You know, one week they're great, the next
week they're a bum. I mean, we're just so fickle
about it. But you know, the way Daniel Jones has
been able to come in here and you know, really
provide the the culture of team, and I think that's

(01:55:01):
something that you know, the Colts were interested in too
to see how that played out when they named him
as the starting quarterback, because that's something else. I mean,
not only do you have to know the playbook and
you have to know all the guys, and you have
to know all the little interacies of the offense, but
you know, it's unfair for the quarterback to sort of
be in charge of the culture in the atmosphere of.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
The locker room.

Speaker 9 (01:55:21):
But you know, that's what he's done and in short
order as well. So again I've said this a million
times that the biggest compliment I can give Daniel Jones
is that he does not at all look like a
guy that's only been here since March. He looks like
he's been a part of this team now for three
to four years. Based on the level of respect that
you know, all the guys have for him, and certainly
you you get more respect when you know you put

(01:55:43):
in all the work and then you just ball out
the way that he's done in the first two games
of the season for Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
You know, Matt, you talk about you know, just like
the in the cafeteria, like in the facility, or you know,
in the downtime, And there is downtime that does take
place when these guys are around each other as much
as they are, even though there's meeting and films and
all that. And I've asked this before, I think, but
to players. But I'm curious if you have observed this.

(01:56:08):
It would be my feeling that if you were running
an NFL franchise, your defensive backs and your receivers. I
know that they go into different rooms and they're you know,
they're they're different units with different coaches. But it seems
as though it would be who of your organization to
have those guys interact a lot together because of the

(01:56:29):
fact that a receiver when he's lining, you know, if
he's talking to the defensive backs on his roster, he
can get an idea of what's in the head of
a dB and like and vice versa, right, so that
they are getting an idea of what the opposition that's
trying to shut them down on a Sunday has in mind,
and vice versa. Do you see any of that at

(01:56:50):
all in terms of guys talking to their own teammates
to get an idea of what the opposition would be
doing for them.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Yeah, great point. All the time. It happens all the time.

Speaker 9 (01:57:03):
You know, you see those guys talking to each other
in the locker room. You know, they're sitting next to
each other, and you know at their locker stalls, you know,
going through their iPads and watching film and.

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
Breaking down the playbook.

Speaker 9 (01:57:16):
And you also see it too. And I think this
is really important. And I don't know if this happens everywhere,
but I have seen it happen here multiple times over
the years where the defensive coordinator or at the very
least a secondary coach, you know, guy that's overseeing both
cornerbacks and safeties, will sit down with the quarterback and say,

(01:57:39):
this is like if we saw this play from the
Colts offense, this is how we would we would attack it.
Or you know, if you're a young quarterback, it's like,
you know, teach me your way of interpreting defense. You know,
when I see you know, the second just throwing out
just you know, random examples, right if you see, you know,
a safety dropping the box and this coverage or in

(01:58:00):
this situation in the red zone, this is more likely
than not what they're trying to do here. So you know,
even though they're on different sides of the ball, there's
a lot of crossover and a lot of help between
you know, offense and defense, players and coaches throughout the
course of a seventeen game season in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
I don't know if you heard it, Matt, but I
think it was to the beginning of this week. I
played some audio and look, I know in Indianapolis, the
you know, playing quotes from Tom Brady, you know, isn't
exactly the most probably a popular thing, but Brady was
on I think it was I'm Not Much show. He
was on colic Ouhard, Yeah, and he was talking about

(01:58:40):
when he was a young quarterback when he first took
over for Drew Bledsoe. Unfortunately, tragically, the quarterbacks coach for
the Patriots at the time, passed away of an unexpected
lead during camp, so Bill Belichick overtook the quarterback coach role.
Even though he was the head coach. So Brady he

(01:59:00):
talked about how, basically the first year that he was
learning the quarterbacking position, he was learning it by Belichick
saying to him, Look, I can't tell you about footwork
and rotation or what else, but I can tell you
about every defense you're going to see. And you know
what I mean. And so he was learning it from
the outside in and as a result of that, and

(01:59:22):
you could see it, and I think you can see
it with Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck in the fact
that those guys were human computers that could look over
a defense and their biggest strength was in looking at
an alignment and figuring out what the best play was
or how to get out of a bad play. And
Daniel Jones strikes me as the kind of guy that
has a similar process. May not go as deep into

(01:59:45):
his checks, but is able to determine and quickly figure
out and process what's going to work. Has that been
your assessment through two games?

Speaker 3 (01:59:55):
Absolutely?

Speaker 9 (01:59:55):
And you know, just to piggyback off the Tom Brady saying,
I mean that famous you know video footage of him,
you know in that droopy you know long collared, you
know white t shirt at the combine. I mean, he
looks like my neighbor, very physically unimpressive, right, But I
mean that was Tom Brady's superpower was he was an

(02:00:16):
average quarterback in terms of athleticism, but the super computer
part that you just brought up, that that's where he
was just different. And then you took that mental ability
and you paired that with a guy like Bill Belichick
to bring the best out of him with a football IQ,
and then he was just off the charts as he
continued to grow and develop, you know physically in the NFL.

(02:00:39):
But yeah, Daniel Jones has that too, and I think
he's even probably well, I know, definitively way more athletics
than Tom Brady ever was at any point.

Speaker 3 (02:00:50):
In his career.

Speaker 9 (02:00:51):
So you you pair the mental part of the game
with Daniel Jones and his deceptive running ability and you know,
being able to get out of the pocket and extend
plays and get first downs, and I think you really
have something. And you know, truth be told, that's where
I think he won the job. That's how I think
he won the job over Anthony Richardson, is that at

(02:01:13):
this stage in their careers, you know, presently speaking Daniel
Jones is just further along with pre snap recognition and
being able to get the Colts into good plays and
out of bad plays. I mean, obviously Anthony Richardson has
all of the physical tools, but it was just the
mental side where I think Daniel Jones had the leg up.
And again through two games, the Colts have been completely

(02:01:35):
validated in making that choice.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
I noticed that when you wanted to give the stereotype
of just your average non athletic guy, you went with
your neighbor and not yourself. Right he looked he looked
more like a fat guy.

Speaker 9 (02:01:52):
Right, Well, just insert cliche here. You know you can
do the what was it is it?

Speaker 3 (02:01:57):
Bill Toby?

Speaker 9 (02:01:57):
You know my my postman knows more of out football
than melt Kiper. You know I could have said my.

Speaker 3 (02:02:03):
Mom or postman or neighbor or whatever. Right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
Well, Matt certainly enjoyed Nashville. You hope you will hear
plenty of this in the background, Eddie.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
From the bachelorette parties.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
But we'll see if you hear it from Colts fans
that make the drive down, because hopefully will be a
good day for the Colts on Sunday, but we shall
see and we will be listening as well. Appreciate the
time as always, Matt.

Speaker 9 (02:02:25):
All right, I'll count them up for you. I'll just
you know, I'll go from here to the sports bar,
the hotel of the sports bar, and count how many
bachelorette parties I see just for you.

Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
I mean over under a six on a half block drive.
I can tell you that right now, no question.

Speaker 9 (02:02:39):
There's at least eight hundred in the general area.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
Yes, that is correct. All right, Matt, We'll be listening.
Appreciate it, all right. See you guys, Matt Taylor, the
Voice of the Colts. You just got tailored. That's not bad.
Actually that's not bad. But you just got tailored, not bad.
And yeah, I guess I like, you know what I
like getting to like when I got a suit tailored.
I kind of like it because, you know, like I

(02:03:05):
feel like, all of a sudden I'm felt, even though
I'm not, but you know, like like they're they're himming
things up.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
Jacob was proud of your maturity when he said that
he could get your enseam and make sure it was
all tight and snug. Well, you know, I am, in
fact maturing. Thank you for noticing jmb's up next.

Speaker 1 (02:03:25):
What do the crossover brought to you by Love Heating
and Air Love dash HVAC dot com three one seven,
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out what John has lined up for his big program.

Speaker 2 (02:03:35):
We'll do it next.

Speaker 1 (02:03:37):
One of the notable alums of You Can't Do That
on television a lot OF's Morris set, JMV is that's
who were singing that song. By the way, JMV is
up north at the District Tap North Side, fabulous place
on eighty second Street. It is technically eighty second because

(02:03:58):
it is just to the east of the David Wolfe
That's where it crosses over from eighty sixth Street.

Speaker 2 (02:04:03):
John Big Show lined up right, Big.

Speaker 5 (02:04:06):
Show lined I love the District Tap on the north
side downtown. It is a fantastic place. Michael Pittman Junior
on the show a little bit later on. Obviously a
tremendous role so far with the Colts as they started
to and I we'll get the Titans on Sunday My
chapel later on. Brent Halversta De and I with our picks.
The samples always flow here as well. Every Thursday, Love

(02:04:29):
it up here, please with Jake. I hit up the
Carmel for the first time Goodwill and it was the
mother load brothers. Oh, I mean, I'm sure mother load
up with. Yes, I bought a lot of Ralph Lauren stuff.
Shout out to Hamilton County and Carmel for that. So
if you happen to come down here later on today

(02:04:51):
and I'm wearing your shirt, give me a shout out
what'd you? Because I might be.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
You know, one of these days, I'm going to know
that you went to one of the places near where
I live. If you're wearing something one of the four
hundred and sixty four Verizon or IndyCar series shirts that
I took out there, you know what.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
I mean telling you?

Speaker 5 (02:05:09):
I know I do, though I have not seen it yet,
but people have noticed before where you can find like
a JMV takeover or a JMV shirt at some of
these places. I don't know whether to be thrilled, thrilled
or disappointed.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 5 (02:05:22):
It happens.

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
It does happened for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
We were talking about this earlier, and you know, with
people getting ready, and I would assume they're a fair
amount of people that are going to go down for
the game this weekend in Nashville because Nashville is a
cool place, destination, place to go. And then somehow that
segued in my mind into times where you went on
the road to go see your favorite team play, or

(02:05:46):
when you went to a concert that you were super
excited about and either experience totally sucked. Anything come to
mind you.

Speaker 5 (02:05:52):
Yeah, the toilet known as Arrowhead Stadium in the playoffs
the Colts and the Chiefs. How many years ago?

Speaker 3 (02:05:59):
Was that? I hate that place?

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
That was when you didn't you have to push a
bus out of the snow.

Speaker 5 (02:06:05):
Yeah, Me and Drew Storm and Tucker Barnard had a
couple of major leaguers and me and actually ended up
getting on ended up getting on the Weather Channel. They
actually contacted me on social media and said, hey, can
we use this of these guys and you pushing these
out of the way so our bus could get up
the off ramp. It was, I got hit by ice balls.

(02:06:25):
I didn't even have Colts gear on and I got
hit by ice balls. I was I was pissed and
ready to be done with it. I hate Arrowhead Stadium. Okay,
And then what you rode a bus back. After that,
we rode the bus back to the airport and the
pilots I think had to rest, so we ended up
getting out of there at about one in the morning.

(02:06:47):
I was spent. We had a snow storm like the
night before, and it was some odd stuff going on.
I remember, I hate that now. I love Dodger, stay
at him. I've been there before. I love that there
are Verie, I love going to London.

Speaker 3 (02:07:02):
That was great.

Speaker 5 (02:07:02):
But Arrowhead Stadium everybody talks about it being great. It's
a whole beast standard.

Speaker 1 (02:07:07):
You know, by the way, since you were at District Tap,
you are in the neighborhood near where I grew up,
and that is also where Christian John Love grew up.
I've known those guys my entire life and they are
the absolute best.

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
John.

Speaker 5 (02:07:19):
They are it is And if you got anything that
needs to be going down right now, I would check
the efficiency because we're going to get here into early fall,
then before you know, it will be in the wintertime,
rough summer, right, so make sure it's working efficiently. Lovedshvac
dot com. John and Chris Love sponsoring Jake and I
on the Crossover Daily.

Speaker 1 (02:07:39):
John, We'll throw it out to you shortly and Michael Pittman,
jun You're going to be joining you what time.

Speaker 5 (02:07:44):
I don't know, but at some point he will, okay
or else, So stick around and keep listening.

Speaker 1 (02:07:49):
Is Michael Pittman, Junior Wide Receiver the Colts, and of
course John read all of it all out there at
District Tap on the north side and it will be
going on until six o'clock. Again, our thanks over the
course of today, Tom deenheart for joining us, Tony East
as well Matt Taylor. He just heard from John Glennon
down in Nashville. We will be back with you tomorrow
for a Franciscan health feel good good for the Hart Friday.

(02:08:12):
We'll do it tomorrow beginning at noon. And I thank
you for listening to Quarying Company.

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