Colts, Fever, and Hoosiers Dominate! Tyquan Lewis, Don Fischer, and Mike Chappell Join!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Man in motion across the formation. To the left is
Calvin Ridley. Shotgunsnapped to the rookie quarterback in the pocket.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
He's dancing.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
He's got time, links it up.

Speaker 4 (00:07):
It picked up. Kenny Moore is going the alway hot house.
Tall an interception and I touched down. I picked six
for Kenny Moore.

Speaker 5 (00:15):
Kenny, that's the type of player. He is.

Speaker 6 (00:17):
Special lightning in a bottle and a truck. Early got
the team going. Listen when he gets the end zone
early light that. I'm like, look you, Mike, go for two, Mike,
go for three. You know how he usually gets. So
I'm glad Kenny was able to get that play early
and get the offense gone.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Jones over the middle, flies it upfield.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Michael Pittman Junior inside the five, looking for the end zone.
He's in. He stretched the ball across the goal line. Touchdown.
Michael Pittman Junior.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Daniel Jones under center I formation. Tyler Warren is the
h back. They give it to Taylor right up the gut,
big hole. Forty touch back to his right, spinning up field,
still going. Coosten's out of a tackle. He's at a twenty.
He's at the ten. He's at the five touch down.
Jones out of the gun, Taylor's his running back to
the left. Three receivers to play it to the right side.
They give it to Taylor looking for the end zone,

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Rowers the shoulders.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
He's a touchdown. Jonathan Taylor three rusting scores today for
j T.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Great team win.

Speaker 7 (01:08):
We talked about being relentless and disciplined for sixty minutes
this week. That was the focus. I thought our guys
came out and did that. I thought offensive line did
a helva job protecting, giving up no sacks, our defense
getting four. We talked about starting the game fast. Canny
Moore getting the pick six to start could have started
any better than that. So shout out to the guys,
the coaching staff, everybody involved. Takes everybody in this league

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to their jobs at a high level to go out
and execute. I thought it was just a great, great
team win for us on the road the Colts.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yes, indeed, listen carefully when I say it. If you
need to right now, record it, play it for yourself later.
The Indianapolis Colts. There are six undefeated teams in the
National Football League, or rather I should say six that
are three and unblemished, and the Indianapolis Colts are one

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of them. A garrison. Can you run down for me
the other teams in the NFL that right now, those
markets in the National Football League that are waking up
this morning and they're saying hallelujah three and oh there
are six? You can name how many? I can probably
name all six? Be the Buffalo Bills, right, yes, the

(02:19):
Los Angeles Chargers, correct, Yes, the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Eagles, yes, sorry, trying to work on the stream over here. Yes,
you know we're doing a live radio show. I know,
I mean the stream, Eddie.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
You realize once you become my age, I'm over the
age of fifty, you just wait on the stream and
eventually it happens. Right, that's what happens when you get
over the age of fifty. So you have undefeated right
now in the National Football League. You get the cheap
or the excuse me? The Eagles, the Bills, the Chargers,
who am I missing here? The Colts, the Niners, right,

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the San Francisco forty nine Ers. There's one other one, uh.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Chargers, Niners, Bills, Eagles, Colts, Buccaneers, Buccaneers.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
There we go, and Tampa probably equally as incredulous as Indianapolis.
But the bottom line is this. It was a monster weekend,
a monster weekend in sports in Indianapolis, and it was
capped off by what we thought. Yes, in fact, we
thought that the Colts would go in and win in Tennessee.
Tennessee is a bad football team. But and you can't

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necessarily equate beating a bad football team towards yourself being
verified as a really good team. But the way in
which the Colts did it, and the way in which
the Colts from beginning to end controlled that game, then

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you start to say to yourself, is this for real?
But in a monster weekend of sports in Indiana, a
huge weekend, it all comes together in one package that
we're going to unwrap right here over the course of
the next three hours on a loaded show. Let's begin
with this. And yes, the Colts are the epicenter of

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all of this. The Colts are the focal point of conversation.
The Colts are the topic, A, B, and C. Probably
in Indianapolis when you're doing sports talk radio, are the Colts,
Colts and Colts. And as in three things, three wins,
three and zero, they are topics one two and three.
But this was a monster sports weekend in Indiana, starting

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with the fact that on Saturday, and yes, it was
weird because you had purdued Notre Dame up in Notre Dame,
and you had the weather delay, the lightning delay which
forced then and I think everybody was saying, like, wait
a minute, Indiana and Illinois get their chance for their
two p to be on college football's biggest stage on
NBC on national television. But wait a minute, this game

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with Notre Dame and Purdue now, because the lightning delay
is being pushed back and is going to bleed over
into the Indiana Illinois kickoff. And what if that means
that the rest of the country will not get a
chance to see what Indiana and Illinois do. Well, let
me tell you something, no cause for that concern at all,
because what Indiana did in eviscerating a Top ten team,

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this was the first time in the history of the
Big Ten, the first time in the history of the
Big Ten against a Top ten team that a Big
Ten team scored sixty three points or more. They scored
sixty three. The previous record was sixty two. The highest
point total against the Top ten team in the history
of the Big Ten Conference, and that goes all the
way back to like when the University of Chicago was

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playing football. I have no idea if they had rankings
back then, they might not have had ten teams to rank.
But nonetheless, it was the largest offensive output for a
team against the top ten team in the history of
the Big Ten Conference. And it was Indiana that did it,
and doing so with a quarterback that now has put
himself in the argument for college football's biggest prize by

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the efficiency that he showed. Mendoza's going out and going
twenty one to twenty three for two sixty seven, five touchdowns. Indiana,
in the words of Kurt Signetti, broke the will of Illinois.
And this is what Indiana has done. They did it
last year and they're continuing to do it this year.

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And that is that they go out, they score early. Yeah,
they may give up a score, but they come right back,
they score again, they get a key, and in this case,
obviously they scored early with a key special teams play.
They start hitting you from all areas and before you
know it, when you're sitting there saying like, is Indian

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the gonna win this game? They're up seventeen. Is Indiana
gonna win this game? They're up twenty four. Is Indiana
gonna win this game? They're up thirty one. Now, surely
Indiana isn't gonna They're not gonna lose this game. Now
they're up thirty eight, and it just keeps going. It
just snowballs and snowballs and snowballs. And that's what Indiana

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did all of last year, and that's what Indiana is
showing itself to do again this year. Now it gets
real now because you go to Iowa and then the
schedule gets tougher. But there's no reason to think, and
we'll get more into this now. With Indiana putting themselves
where they're ranked eleven, there's no reason to believe that
the Hoosiers will not continue to do that same style

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in the way that they win, which then takes us
to the Colts game. The Colts are winning to an extent,
and the same form that you see from Indiana in
what you saw in Bloomington Saturday night seem to be

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a precursor for what you were gonna see in Nashville
and the bachelorette parties Eddie that are all over Nashville.
As you know, the girls on the top of the
bus went to school buses with no top on it.
I'm saying the bus has no top, not the girls
and the bachelorette parties that are rolling through Broadway, and
all you can hear in Broadway through Nashville when you

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drive around, all you hear on the horizons in Nashville, Tennessee,
you hear the sounds of country music, and you hear
the bachelorette parties Eddie, And you didn't hear a drop
of that in Nissan Stadium because that crowd was sitting
there watching, and what they were watching was an absolute
clinic from the NFL team from the state of Indiana
doing the same thing that you saw on the college
game the night before, taking advantage of a team that

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sat there wide eyed and getting a lead, and you're like,
they're gonna win this game, right, they're up seven. Obviously
they're gonna win this game now because they're up fourteen.
Jonathan Taylor is running all over the place and their
salt and clock right, no, wait a minute, now he
just scored again. And now all of a sudden, they're
up you know, twenty eight or whatever. It was that

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game was never in doubt and they are winning based
on efficient play at the quarterback position eighteen to twenty
five to twenty eight in a touch and Daniel Jones
the key moment of that game yesterday was Daniel Jones,
what have we said with the last two quarterbacks that

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we handed the keys to for the Indianapolis Colts. One
of them, me and Andrew Luckett was if you're gonna
run the football, that's great, but you gotta know when
to go down, you gotta know when to slide, you
gotta protect your body, et cetera. You gotta have smarts
and when you're deciding to tuck and run. And the
other one in Anthony Richardson, it was, Look, there's no
doubt that you can run the football, but you got

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to have smarts on deciding a when it's time to
do that, B when you got to stick in the pocket,
go through your progressions and understand all that goes into
knowing and having clock and the timing and everything else
towards being a quarterback in the National Football League. And
yesterday Daniel Jones had a play where he goes back,

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he goes through his reads, he goes through his progression
and then he tucks the ball and he takes off
running and he runs and he gets bulkyardage and then boom,
he goes down and he slides, and it encapsulated everything
that we have been looking for in this town at
quarterback play for a while. Is Daniel Jones the long

(10:35):
term answer for the Colts? I don't know that answer
is Daniel Jones Curtis Work of Indiana a year ago.
A guy that is just allowing you to take leads,
build leads, expand on leads, and turn around and force
a program and a fan base to believe, all while

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setting up the table for another guy a year later
to come in. Maybe he's on a one year deal,
but what he has done right now, I think if
you look at the Colts this year, and you look
at and we will go over the three word headlines
that I ask from everybody, give me three words to
describe how you feel about the Cults right now. And

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more often than not, those three words that people were
throwing to me were things like Jones for real, Finally,
good QB, sound decision making the Colts and give credit
here to Chris Ballard. Do they have the depth in

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terms of a roster that they are solid let's say
two deep to three deep across the board or in
all key areas. We don't know that just yet because
they've been battle tested a little bit in some areas,
but in the specialty areas they've been pretty healthy. Now
that's going to come in to challenge again here a
little bit, because Kenny Moore, for example, with the CAF injury,

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looks like he might miss a little bit of time.
Alec Pierce in the concussion protocol, one would assume means
he's probably gonna miss some time. But and we'll get
to Alec Pierce as well, and the way that they've
reinvented the way he's gonna play. But the point being,
the Colts are winning games by going out, getting the
first move on the chess board and then just continuing

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to make every proper decision throughout the course of the game.
Credit to Shane Steichen, credit to Chris Ballad the way
the team's built, credit to Daniel Jones, and credit to
a lot of their roster. But they look solid thus far.
Now it gets real, and now you go in you
could make the argument the Denver win is a good
win for sure, but Miami Tennessee, Eh, this is kind

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of like beating old dominion. Indiana State, Kennesaw State Broncos
are pretty good. But you get my point. Now it
gets real for the Colts in both of those teams
as they mirrored one another. And I was thinking about
the layout of the sports landscape today and how it
came together, and then I thought to myself, there was

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another thing that happened that actually was foreshadowing or encapsulated
another team in town. We talked at the end of
last week about Cole Hawker. Cole Hawker, Jake, I'm tuning
into a sports talk radio showed, and can you believe
I tuned. I'm driving to lunch, on my way to

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Chicago's Pizza for their lunch buffet, and I'm driving to
lunch and I turn on this guy in the radio,
thinking I'm going to hear about how the Cults are
three and zero, how the Cults are in front of
their division, how the Houston Texans are zero to three,
how Daniel Jones is playing at a level that like
is he dare I say in the MVP conversation, I mean,
maybe even you could mention that Indiana has a quarterback
that was dare I say in the Heisman conversation, but

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I tune in for both of these things. On a
rainy day in September that feels like fall. And this
guy on the radio is talking about some dude that's
a long distance runner that was running like in Tokyo.
That's right, I am because he's from Indianapolis. And Cole Hawker,
who is an Olympic gold medalist at the World what

(14:26):
is it Track Championships of the World Championships, right, we
know that he was disqualified in the fifteen hundred and
that's his strong suit, and so then the question became
can he rebound and do something in the five thousand?

Speaker 5 (14:43):
Right?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
And in the five thousand, what did Cole Hawker do?
Cole Hawker comes around in the fourth turn of that
race in the five thousand, on the last lap, and
he's running in like sixth place, and you look at
it and you go, this dude like on the outside, like,

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don't look now, but what is this? What is this
thing that my eyes catching on the outside coming into
turn number four out of turn four in the final
lap of this five thousand, and Cole Hawker, who was
just kind of going through the motion, if you will,
of that five thousand and after an event at the

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World Championships where in the fifteen hundred he had been
disqualified and was counted out, and most people, except for
those in Indianapolis, we're thinking to themselves, I don't know
that this dude is going to get it done in
the five thousand and lo and behold, and that's not
even his best event. And here he comes down the
stretch and he's in sixth, and then he's in fifth

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as they hit the straight, and he kicks on the
after burners and boom, cyanar off and running, and he
looks as fresh as anybody did at the beginning of
that race, while everybody else's second win. And he goes
on and he wins the five thousand and I thought
to myself, isn't that the Indiana Fever? Because the fever

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at the beginning of the year were expected to be
the regular season. That was their big event. They got
Sophie Cuttingham, Caitlyn Clark is is ready to go and
has learned everything and has poised already a star. This
is now going to catapult into the upper stratosphere. And
look at the roster they've accumulated, and then Caitlyn Clark

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gets hurt and Sophie Cuttingham gets hurt and Erry McDonald
gets hurt, and they're left for gosh, can they do
something down the stretch maybe to salvage it. And they
find themselves in a position, if you think about it,
where in mid August they had lost five of seven.
They're boxed in coming around turn four on their season,

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and nobody's really expecting even though you know that they're
having to make up for what was a disappointment in
terms of some of their best players being disqualified earlier
in the year. And then it all comes together and
here they are, now the Indiana Fever, who go into
Las Vegas the vaunted Aces, a top flight team, a

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team with pedigree of championship, and the Fever go in
and they are in the final four of the WNBA,
and they find themselves like Cole Hawker where it's like,
you know what, we're going to hit full stride, and
Kelsey Mitchell goes for thirty four, and Honesty Simms, who
wasn't even on the roster like in the beginning of August,

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goes for seventeen and now all of a sudden, they
pull away. They're like Indiana against Illinois. They're like the
Colts against Tennessee. They're pulling away and they are soundly
winning that game, and you're like, holy cow, the fever
now or up one love? Which means that if you're

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doing sports talk radio in Indianapolis, Indiana, and you've got
Jenna Webster from WTCHR in to say, I want to
get audio of people reacting to this huge sports weekend,
it means that most people are expecting it to be ubiquitous,
NonStop NFL Colts three and oh chat, which is what
ninety five percent of it's going to be. But all
across the board, the amount of things that we had

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to take place in this sports weekend, all of which
intertwining and representing one another, all comes down to what
I've always said about this town. You look at the
Pacers run, you look at now this fever run, you
look at what the culture doing. There's something that's been
in the water for the last year or so where
there is a resiliency that you got to love. You

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gotta absolutely love it. And for that matter, I realize
the one wild card of the one that I left
out in all of this is Purdue was beaten pretty
soundly against Notre Dame. But Eddie, I'll be honest with you,
I think when you look at Barry Odom's group for
one that was just kind of thrown together in terms
of the roster, I thought, actually, they played pretty well,

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and even though they were blown out at Notre Dame
and they were beaten soundly by USC, they at least
seemingly have some sort of a pulse where I think
they can maybe surprise a few people over the course
of the Big Ten. But I'm giving Purdue a little
bit of flowers as well because of everybody else that
I just talked about. But it was an unbelievable, a phenomenal,

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an action packed, and an overall positive weekend of sports
in Central Indiana. And it's one of those where I
say to myself, how lucky are we that we get
to come in here and talk about.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Why not Indiana?

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Jake? Why not Indiana? Is indeed correct, Eddie. When you
want to talk about what makes sports great and you
want to talk about where the epicenter of sports are
in this country right now, you can show me Texas, fine,
show me California fine. Show me New York. Fine, why
not Indiana? Baby? Speaking of USCH, how is Indiana only
ranked a life they were nineteenth, they move up to eleven.

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This shows the lunacy of polls, right because Texas, and
we'll get it more into this later, but Texas is tenth.
And I look at it, I go who did Texas beat?
I looked at Texas's schedule. They got beat by Ohio State. Okay,
since then, Texas has beaten Warren Central, Ben Davis and Cecina.

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That's who Texas has beaten. Right now, you could make
the argument for Indiana, and Indiana's got to win over
a top ten team. But maybe we could say the
same about Illinois. What Illinois did or be ranked in
the top ten. But let's go back to the Colts game.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Though.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
This is at this point and I think that game
number four here is going to be the real test.
And you don't want to look at gift tors or
in this case a gift cult in the mouth. But
when you look at it at three and zero, there
only six teams in the National Football League three and
zero and already it would feel like, barring a complete collapse,

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a complete shock, if they don't dare. I mean, this
is crazy to me to say we literally are not
even twenty percent of the way through the season, and
barring collapse or injury, they've already put themselves in a
major step here within the AFC South because the team

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that you expected was going to be the biggest contender,
the Houston Texans are zero to three. I mean Jacksonville defensively,
Jacksonville makes a big plays defensively yesterday. Houston is just bad.
Houston is bad. They can't move the football. CJ. Stroud
looks like he's regressed that Houston already looks like a

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team that's like, eh, okay, I like you, Eddie. You
were in college, right, Yes, you ever have one of
those classes in college that by the time you took
the midterm and you're sitting on a seventy two percent
and you look at it and you're like, you know what,
this ain't gonna happen for me. I'll take the c

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and go home.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Do you want me to play along with the bit
or be truthful here, Jake? You were a four to
zero student? Yeah, I was pretty close.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Come on. Obviously, getting the YouTube stream was not one
of the classes. You took right.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yes, please bear with us if you're listening on via
stream like online or the app, or on the radio.
We're working on them. We're trying to get the YouTube
in Twitter and Facebook live stream up and going.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I think the cults are for real. And I know
that that sounds ridiculous to say because they're three in zero,
but I really do believe there are two ways to
be three and zero. One is circumstantial and yes, I
know they got a gift for that Denver game. The
other is legit. I think this team is legit. I
don't think they're going away. I think they are basically
last year's Indiana in college football, and the fact that

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by the time you decide it's time to start taking
them serious, you realize you're the last of the party
and everybody else has figured that out. And I think
that's who they are. I really do. As for Indiana,
a huge win against Illinois, one that in every area
you look at and you say, they absolutely checked every box,

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and as Kurt Signetti said, they broke the will of
the Aliini. The guy that was on the call for
it is Don Fisher, the radio voice of the Indiana Hoosiers.
He will join us to discuss exactly that next. Mike
Chapple joins us today as well. Tayekwan Lewis of the Colts.
Two o'clock hour, Huge loaded, Monday to unpack. We do
all all, do it all Here a querying company on
the fan. He's Monday.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
It's twelve thirty.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's fish. The putter out there on the field is
Kaalin Kremens and the bad staff from center.

Speaker 8 (23:46):
Indiana's gonna pick it up. Here's the snap back and
pressure comes a little screen out here. Noah Kowski a
tight end, Tony Town tough.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Here's the snap and this time to hand off to
Hivy and run up the gun.

Speaker 8 (24:04):
He's gonna go out of the ten five touch down
Robert Hemby forty yard run for the touchdown.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
And there was a hole you could drive a train through.

Speaker 9 (24:15):
This Indiana football team is feeling like they can eat
Illinois launch.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Any moment, anytime they want to.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Here they come across the field.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Both ball clubs will shake hands.

Speaker 9 (24:27):
Now in Indiana blows away the fighter. Alanai of Illinois
tonight to the tune of sixty three to ten.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
The voice of the Hoosiers, Don Fisher joining Query in
Company on ninety three five and one oh seven five
the fan.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
That's how it sounded. You just heard him on the call,
Don Fisher, the voice of the Hoosiers as Indiana sets
a record for the most points ever against a Top
ten team in the history of the Big Ten Conference.
And he joined us now to talk about that and more.
And Don, I gotta be honest with you as I'm
watching the game and then we were watching it and

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then listening to it on my drive, and I thought
to myself, you know, Don Fisher, for the first couple
of years that he was doing Indiana football probably didn't
have a lot of times where he got to say
touchdown Indiana, and he got to make up for all
in one night, which was nice of them.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
That was an unbelievable performance and that has to be
would you agree, as electric a night atmosphere as you
have ever seen at Memorial Stadium.

Speaker 10 (25:28):
It goes down as number one in my book. I've
not seen anything like that in a long time. I've
not seen anything like our crowds basically for a long
time like this either. And the chaos, the noise, the excitement,
the flags waving, the atmosphere at Indiana University right now

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at home football games is absolutely electric. And I hope
it continues for the rest of the season and for
as long as I keep doing in games, because it
makes it more fun.

Speaker 11 (26:02):
If you know what I made, don it.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Here's what's remarkable. And I want you to tell me
if you agree or disagree with this, Don Fisher, our guest.
The thing about this this team, and the same is
true of last year with Indiana. And I mean this
in the most complimentary ways, but that is that if
I had to pinpoint what it is that makes them efficient,
that makes them good, I just keep going back to

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the answer of I don't know. They're just efficient and good.
You know, they just they do not make mistakes, and
I guess they kind of just put other teams in
position where you're waiting for the other team to make
a mistake and capitalize on it. I can't pinpoint it
if it were up to you to assess what it is,
what is it this team and this program is doing

(26:48):
that is different.

Speaker 10 (26:52):
You know, It's it is hard to pinpoint. There's no
question because and maybe maybe the one thing that I
can tell you or explain this a little bit better
would be in our pregame on Saturday with Bucks Sewer,
we had to fill time for about fifteen minutes at

(27:13):
the outset of our broadcast because the kickoff was going
to take place twenty minutes later than seven thirty. NBC
obviously had something to do with that, and actually had
most to do with.

Speaker 11 (27:26):
It because of.

Speaker 10 (27:27):
The time constraights for their first game but for doing
Notre Dame, and they had a problem with weather delay
at West Lafayette. Anyway, long story short, South Bend, but
long story short.

Speaker 11 (27:39):
Bucks Sewer went on the air with me.

Speaker 10 (27:42):
We talked about this Illinois ball club and Bucks said,
I've watched.

Speaker 11 (27:48):
A lot of film on Illinois. I've watched them.

Speaker 10 (27:52):
I've watched them in two or three different versions of
themselves this past year. I looked at the Duke game
again this morning, he said, And then he said, I
can't find one thing that I think Illinois is better
at than Indiana on the field. I said, what he said,

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I don't see one thing that Indiana is not better
than Illinois at on the field. And I said, well,
that means Indiana is going to win in a big way.
And here's the thing, Buck is, right, what does this
team do different than everybody else. I don't know that
they do a ton of things different. They just do

(28:35):
everything a little bit better. And I think this team
is one of the best I've seen. And what we've
seen the last two years, we've seen two teams that
beat them. Last year, they were just better teams. They
had more personnel, they had better talent. And this team
this year, we haven't seen them against great competition yet.

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And I include Illinois and that because they got exposed
on Saturday. But at the same time, what does Indiana
do That's that's poor literally nothing. No, that's just a
matter of personnel. So it becomes matter of personnel, that's it.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
And I'm watching the game at the beginning, okay, And
I was going back to the conversation we had with you,
and you're exactly right on this when you talk about
you know, Illinois, Indiana limited Illinois to two rushing yards
two two rushing yards on Saturday night. And that Illinois
offensive line is massive. I mean, and they're a good line.

(29:34):
I mean it's not like they're there. You know, there's
one thing to just be big guys and then not
being I mean, that is a good and massive offensive line.
And yet Indiana defensively with their whether it be their speed,
they're there. They absolutely had their way with them, and
that to me, that to me, don was the biggest
area of surprise. Did that surprise you the way Indiana's

(29:57):
defensive line was able to co completely control things?

Speaker 10 (30:02):
I would have said to you had I not done
the talk show with Kurt Signetti on Thursday of last week,
that it would have surprised me. But when Kurt Signetti
told me off air during a commercial break, I said,
you know, Illinois offensive line is massive, coach, how are
you going to deal with that? And he says, massive

(30:24):
doesn't mean they're fast or quick, and he said it
in such a matter of fact way as if to
tell me we're just quicker and we're and we're better
than they are in that sense.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
I'm here.

Speaker 10 (30:38):
Here's the bottom line here, Jake, is that Kurt Signetti
and his staff are tremendous coaches. They coach the heck
out of their kids, and they do it in such
a way that these kids buy in and it's just
a if they're going to get beat, it's going to

(31:01):
because the other team has more talent, right, more skill,
whatever the case may be. It's not going to be
because these guys don't know what they're doing, because that's
absolutely a false statement if you say, Indiana, you know,
these kids don't know what they're doing, because they know
exactly what they're doing, because they practice the crap out
of it and they are just phenomenal at executing it.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
You know, at the beginning of the season, Fernando Mendoza
had said, I think it was after game one don
that he felt like he still needed to kind of
get his footing underneath him, and he had. You know,
certainly the stats and the pedigree at Cal in coming
to Indiana and Curtis work was a darn good quarterback
for Indiana year ago, one of the best we've seen

(31:44):
in Bloomington, and so there were some big shoes to
fill there. But clearly with that Illinois game, what we
saw is that he had a I mean such a
firm control of that offense. Is that based on the
coaching staff just saying to him, hey, you know, let
it slow, let the game come to you a little
bit and slow it down from that game one say

(32:05):
to now, or is that just the veteran ability of
a Mendoza being an upperclassman of just having the confidence
to continue to do the reps and have that kind
of a breakout game.

Speaker 11 (32:18):
Well, here's here's what I know.

Speaker 10 (32:21):
When players come to Indiana Now, if they don't buy
in to what the coaches are teaching, they aren't playing
or they're gone.

Speaker 11 (32:31):
It's that simple.

Speaker 10 (32:32):
And Kurt Signetti and his staff do a phenomenal job
of getting guys to understand that. And Fernando it comes
to Indiana after being chased all over the football field
a year ago, dealing with forty six or forty seven sacks.
I think they said that he was sacked last year,

(32:52):
obviously comes in. He's good at a little skitty because
he doesn't want to get hit again, and he wasn't,
of course in the spring practice, but he has a
little happy feet when he got here, and that kind
of dissipated through spring practice and he was much better.
Sick said he was better in the last three or
four practices of spring, and then when they got to
the fall, he said he continue to make progress. Well,

(33:15):
the progress that he's made shows you two things. Number One,
he is a veteran. He's been in the war, so
to speak. And number two, he's being coached dramatically well.
And the thing about Fernando that we still don't know
at this point is how much more improvement he can make,
because if you look at the last two games, he

(33:36):
has completed forty of forty three passes for ten for
ten touchdowns. I've never seen a completion rate by anybody
that's of forty three. It's just astounding. And obviously he
has things that he keeps talking about after ballgames. I

(33:56):
got to get better at this, and I got to
get better at that. I mean, think about that. And again,
is he a perfect quarterback. No, nobody is. But he's
a guy that's learning and every week he tries to
put into play the things that he has learned that
have helped him become better in that week's performance. And

(34:19):
that's all it's all about. And that's one of Kurt
Signetti's philosophies.

Speaker 11 (34:24):
Get better every day.

Speaker 10 (34:26):
Now, we hear a lot of coaches say that, but
how many of them actually do And we're certainly seeing
that with Fernando Mendoz.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Now, I just think, you know, one of the things,
and there's a very fine line with this when it
comes to coaching. Right of confidence and I'll say borishness.
I don't mean that Kurt Signetti is, but I mean
you see that in coaches. But you know, late in
that game, they a couple of times they showed Kurt
Signetti on the sidelines and I think the thing that
jumped out at me down and I'm curious if you know,

(34:56):
I think you noticed this probably the first week you
around this guy. But there just was this epiphany of
you know what, everybody can talk about what Indiana's doing
against Illinois, but that guy on the sideline with the
headset on expected that. I'm not saying he expected him
to win like that. I'm not saying he disrespected Illinois.
I'm saying he expects his team to be in this

(35:18):
situation week in and week out and doesn't even seem
content with it. Just all business, which I love, right,
I mean, it's all business.

Speaker 11 (35:28):
That's exactly correct.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
There is nothing but the business at Hay with Kurt Signetti,
and there's a standard and he talks about that when
Signetti you listen to a good press conference and somebody
asks him a question about, uh, how do these guys
to buy in? Well, we have a standard here, you know,
We've got a standard. We expect you to match or

(35:50):
at least reach that standard. If you can't do that,
you're probably not.

Speaker 11 (35:54):
Going to play.

Speaker 10 (35:55):
And if you do play, you're probably not going to
play very long because you're not reaching the standard that
we expect.

Speaker 11 (36:02):
So there are the expectations.

Speaker 10 (36:05):
I would say this, Jake, that the expectations for Kurt
Signetti are he raises the bar every single day. He
expects your team to get better and if you're not
getting better, you're getting worse. So and that's the only
way you can be a great football team if you're
getting better day after day. And that's the standard that

(36:27):
he sets. And that's why I think, you know, when
you watch him on the sidelines during football games, you
almost well at this point and I'm not down there
watching him, but I've never seen smile. He's not smiling
and and and he's always there's always something you can
do better.

Speaker 11 (36:48):
And he in.

Speaker 10 (36:48):
Our press conference today, he starts talking about the fact
that you know, yeah, it was a great win. It
was a really good win for us. We really we
did a lot of really good things. But he said
there was so much to look at in the film
afterwards that we've got to clean up he was talking about,
especially on the defensive side of the football. There were
four or five plays he said, were we just didn't

(37:12):
get it done. And he's so his standard is this.
It's it doesn't have to be perfect, but it's got
to be close. And my goodness, were they close on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
I think the standard is he goes over on Friday
night and watches Edgewood and sees him get a shut
out for the third time in five weeks and says,
all right, let's go right, is that what it is?
He sees the Mustangs at five and oh, coming off
of thirty five nothing shutout, and he's like, all right, guys,
precedents there, let's go.

Speaker 10 (37:40):
Well, this may sound like a coach's dad, but I'm
really proud of my son.

Speaker 11 (37:46):
Number one, but number two, they haven't played anybody.

Speaker 10 (37:53):
But the best scene that they played and they were
one a team that was right number one in the
in the standings of the state at that high but
they still haven't played anybody yet. And believe me, what
my son's done so far has really made me proud
because he's had to build it from the ground up,
and in the two years he's been there, they really
took their lumps, but suddenly they're having some success and

(38:16):
it's really special to watch that happen and see how
that program is evolving at this point. It didn't happen
like it didn't happen like Kurtzygnetti coming to Edgewood and
all of a sudden finding the tools that he needs.
Because you've got a pretty much at a high school level,
you got to work with what you got and when
he first got there, and it's not a knock on

(38:37):
the kids, but the program was suffering because they had
so many years of failure, and so at this point
we're excited and we're really proud of what we've seen.
But it's the real season is about to start for
them too, because they're going to face their toughest challenges
here in the next four weeks.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Edgewood coming up by the way, they got Beech Grove
coming up on Friday, and then after that it is
Sullivan and Ask for Indiana up next at Iowa, and
then of course a big showdown with Oregon as well.
Don appreciate the time as always and certainly hope you
enjoyed that Saturday night because that was pretty special.

Speaker 11 (39:12):
It was special love question. I enjoyed it immensely.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I'll bet Don appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (39:18):
You bet to see it.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Don Fisher, the voice of the Indiana, who's just joining
us we come back. I'll read off some of the headlines,
the three word headlines that you have about the colts
there now three and oh and dare I say best
in the AFC. They may be certainly offensively. Their efficiency
would tell you that Mike chappelill going to join us
in fourteen as well. So now I get confused by

(39:40):
this because I know that it was earth wind and
fire day yesterday, right, because today's the twenty second? Is that?

Speaker 11 (39:45):
Right?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Was it yesterday or today? Because it's asking do you remember?

Speaker 3 (39:52):
It's a very good point.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Excellent you remember the twenty first night of September like
you would have to be past December twenty first, three
remember or September twenty first to remember that, right?

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Excellent point, Very good point. Now is today you tell
me I have no idea on this because I'm not
one of these meteorological people. Okay, okay, you know, like
get like on December the tenth when you say, like, man,
it is freezing. It's just been a terrible winter and
people like, it's not actually winter. We're at the end

(40:23):
of autumn. Meteorological winter does not began until you. Okay, listen,
I scraped my windshoew this morning. It's winter. Are we
in fall yet? Are we in autumn? It is today,
the first day of autumn, the first day of fall. Yeah,
the August twenty of September. So today is the first
day of fall and it's raining now. The leaves haven't

(40:45):
started falling yet, right, No, they have not.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
They haven't gotten the uh missus query PSA yet, Jake
can I cannot wait for this year, no matter of time.
It was a toxic myths last year, mixed last year.
I wonder what it was what it will be this year,
no question, right, yes.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
But so far as you transition from summer into fall here,
which does sound weird to say.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
By the way, we are fully up and running now
on YouTube, Facebook and x so you would like to
watch Jake on the cameras, you can do so now.
Thank you for sticking with us through the issues. The
computer streaming computer died over the weekend and Falan Watson
camp Blanken Jumper on it.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
The computer died, did they go straight office space on it.
It was like Illinois, he just did one turn on.
They just went out and threw on the ghetto boys
and took a baseball bat and that was the end
of that. So yesterday I asked the question, as I
do after each and every game. One thing I did notice,
I said, tell me three words your thoughts. Tell me
in three words your thoughts on the twenty twenty five

(41:46):
Colts through three games. Now, with each passing week of this,
and this happened last year, I believe I get fewer
and fewer replies, still get in the hundreds. But maybe
people are just getting used to it now, right, Maybe
people are just simply accustomed to this reading you some
of the replies exceeding all expectations. This from my buddy

(42:12):
Larry Langley. Good game planning. There's some truth to that.
Shane Stikeen is calling masterfully the offensive plays. I think
Decatur to Daniel Jones and what he is doing. Pat
Sullivan's solid football team. Anthony QB Play Matters. That's a
really good one from Anthony and QB Play Matters. It's

(42:37):
hard to argue that because and I felt bad for
Anthony richardson late in the game when he came in,
because you're like, this is what it's going to be, right,
He's only going to see games in that situation unless
Daniel Jones gets hurt.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Of course, I was a little surprised Jake than a
little what dad three minutes left, four minutes three and
a half when he took over. I was surprised we
didn't see one pass play. I agree with because those
are the times when you could use some development, right,
I would agree with that.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Still cautious optimism. I think a lot of people feel
that way in terms of.

Speaker 11 (43:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Everybody. I think the Rams game is going to tell
us a lot. If they go into La and they
beat the Rams, then you know. But what they are doing,
like I said earlier, is very similar to Indiana. They
get leads in a game and then they just play
smart Boy.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
It's not a time you want to face the Rams.
You see what happened yesterday with him, Jake, Who did
they have yesterday? They had Philly, They were up I
think nineteen second half and you know they're going for
the game winning field goal gets blocked and we turned
for a touchdown by Jordan Davis.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
There were three there were like three games yesterday that
came down to swings at the very end and a
change of possession and then a game winning field goal.
I was like, in like a ten minute span, you
had that one, and then San Francisco was one. You
had the Jets blocking a Tampa bayfield goal. They take
it to the house, right, that's try to take the
lead in the Cleveland and Green Bay. How about that? Yeah,

(44:06):
that was the first one. A quickly exceeded expectation. That
from Jeff New Defensive schemes from Bill correct lou Anrumo
continues to push the right buttons defensively. This is a
good line Jonathan freaking Taylor. He was on the morning
show this morning. By the way, they will replay that

(44:28):
seven o'clock hour tomorrow morning. If you did not hear
what Jonathan Taylor had to say.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Now was the tweet freaking Jake or did you substitute
to make it?

Speaker 3 (44:37):
And they did make it expost twitter friendly. Here's a
good one from Indiana Jones. Go figure in terms of
the name on the account, apologies accepted here. That's that's
definitely true because we all owe the colts and apology.

(44:58):
We all do us really yes, why to all of us,
because you, like everybody else, did not think they would
be three and zero. I didn't think there'd be three. No,
Daniel jos was named the starter. It was like, here
we go purgatory seven and ten and draft twentieth. I
said ten and seven the beginning of the year. Mike Chapel,
by the way, joins us next Mike Chapel, CBS four

(45:23):
wxin Fox fifty nine in just about twenty seconds. But
before that, Eddie health updates from the National Football League
as it relates to local players.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yes, so last night, if you were watching Sunday Night Football,
you saw if you're in the fantasy football league at
Queering Company one, you'll notice Tyrone's lifting buddy in high
school yours truly right here if you forgot about that.
He exited the game last night with a shoulder injury.
It was a Tracy right, Yes, Tyrone Tracy Junior exited
the game last night with a shoulder injury. It was
announced date it's a dislocated shoulder. He'll miss sometime. It's

(45:55):
uncertain on how long it'll be. And then Ben Davis
High School graduate Dwand Jones of the Cleveland Browns is
out for the rest of the season with a knee injury.
So not a good day for two former Indian high
school athletes.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Now, I was well aware of that situation with Tyrone
Tracy because in my fantasy team is terrible because justin
Jefferson and T Higgins in particular, I have nobody thrown
them in the football. But I was going up against
I think it was Derek's team, No, brandy Wine's Banchees,
which is Brian's team, and he has Camp's Kataboo, and

(46:30):
he needed a certain number of points last night, and
I thought, well, it looked like I was going to
get my first win. And then Tracy went out and
he could play man, he could play, and that was
the heck of a fine for the Giants and for
Brian for that matter. Joining us now on the show
a guy that cares nothing about our fantasy football teams,
nor should he. Mike Chappell of CBS four and WXI
N chap I will begin with this, and that is

(46:53):
a question that I asked a couple of people last week.
But I want your thought on this is Daniel Jones
playing at a level that is allowing Shane stikeen to
get creative with this play calling, or is Shane Steiken
calling plays right now to best benefit and play with
them the ceiling of Daniel Jones.

Speaker 12 (47:14):
Probably yes, and yes. I've always thought the last couple
of years as much as and I hope we don't
get on a I mean we in general get on
a pile on Anthony Richardson. Deal, that's not what this is.
But he and Jones are diametrically opposed as quarterbacks, and

(47:34):
I thought the fact what they could do with Anthony
Richardson and the lack of a tight end. Let's keep
in mind, they've lacked key, a key offensive player that
Shane Stiken always makes use of. So this is so
I think it's three weeks and I'm one of those
I kind of keep waiting for the other shoot to
drop because because it normally does. But boy, after three games,

(47:58):
it's just been the purpose marriage offensively, still some pickups
on defense, but offensively, gosh, what would you complain about.
They're being creative, they're spreading the ball around, They're getting
I've said for the last couple of years that Jonathan
Taylor is the most underappreciated great player nationally. He just

(48:22):
is how you see all these these offseason I think
it was a d tot com or somebody had the
top hundred players. I don't believe he or Quinton Nelson
Moro on it, and I'm thinking they're just, you know,
invalidated the entire survey. So I think it's a perfect marriage,
and I maybe I'm wrong, but what I keep coming

(48:44):
back to with this offense with one hundred and three points,
the most sense one hundred since thineteen sixty seven, second
most enfranchised history to open a season, I just don't
see anything spectacular, and that's a compliment. They're just executing.
They're making plays. Now, a couple of Jonathan Taylor runs

(49:05):
are spectacular. They are, but that's what great backs do.
But Michael Pittman's playing well, Tyler Warren giving them what
they haven't had since I'll go back to Dallas Clark
and I don't mean that as a knock on Jack Doyle,
but it's a perfect marriage. And I think they're just
asking Jones to make plays and avoid some sacks. He's

(49:28):
probably avoided I don't know, four or five sacks by
the one yesterday, the seventeen yard run, or he was
engulfed in the pocket and got out on a third
and whatever it was when the game was still you know,
a game. It's just worked. And I'm watching last night

(49:49):
and the Giants are such a mess. And I know
Jones didn't there were times he didn't play well with
the Giants. Don't you put most most of what happened
in Jones's first five or six years on the Giants organization.
I mean, I think they just you know, the big

(50:11):
thing in Scataboy's a good story. But when your two
stories over the last couple of years are him and
de Vido, I mean, what do you got? What are
you doing? So I think this is a perfect marriage,
perfect storm to this point, and I again, what they're doing,
there's no reason to say, well, yeah, but this can't

(50:33):
continue what it can because there's four or five receivers,
including war. We really haven't seen Ady Mitchell get going
yet because there hasn't been reps. He may get reps
if Alec pierces out a little bit. But they're they're
doing they're just playing the way you're supposed to play.

(50:53):
They're executing all that stuff. So I've seen no reason
that this offense can't keep this up, maybe not the
thirty four points a game level, but efficiency level, or
whether I'm putting up twenty seven points a game and
you scored twenty seven points. All you need is your
defense to play okay, and this defense is playing better
than okay.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
You know the chap and not to always go back
to this storyline, because there's a lot of really good
stuff to talk about here, right, But I was curious
of this as I was watching yesterday, and I want
you to tell me if it makes sense. The real
benefit of Daniel Jones playing at the level that he
has been playing is the obvious They're winning games, and

(51:34):
that's what ultimately you are designed to do. And if
this continues, and if he maintains and is able to
show to the rest of the league that, yes, in fact,
it was as much a New York thing as a
Daniel Jones thing in the first go round, if that's
the case, and I've seen you know, you saw Matt
Ryan talking about how what he's doing is, you know,
playing at a whole new level, and you know, everybody

(51:55):
seems to be noticing, Gosh, this guy can play, and
he's making good decisions in all of those things. Does
that increase or or rather even does it give some
value to Anthony Richardson on the trademark. I know the
Colts have said they're not going to trade Anthony Richardson,
but if Daniel Jones indeed proves to be the long

(52:16):
term guy, doesn't it increase the trade value of Richardson,
because then teams would say, gosh, now I see why Richard.
It's not that it's not an indictment on Richardson that
he didn't win the job over this guy. Does that
make sense what I'm saying, Well.

Speaker 12 (52:31):
It depends on whether you're talking trading now or trading
at the end of the season.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, I mean, let's say or whatever. And I always
forget when the trade deadline would be, but yes, even
at the end of the season. Okay, so yeah, you
probably need more time for people to believe.

Speaker 12 (52:46):
But let's say you're seven and two, seven and three whatever,
and somebody offers you a four for Richardson, which you
don't know that he would get that. Then what you're doing.
You're a playoff caliber team that might win the division
and your backup quarterback is right a Leonard who has

(53:06):
done his job well, but he the rookie and he's
not ready. So then if Jones gets hurt and then
you need three games in November December and you with
Friday Leonard, then you're screwed. So I think the longer
this goes well, the less likelihood of Richardson being traded

(53:26):
this season now next season. You know, let's say again,
let's We've talked in the pressure a lot about this,
and I've always thought I considered it the worst case scenario.
If Jones wins it, won the job, and then they
go ten and seven, eleven and six and make the playoffs,

(53:47):
win the division, then what do you do?

Speaker 11 (53:50):
Right?

Speaker 12 (53:51):
Then You've got You've got Daniel Jones who's a free agent,
and you can always franchise him for a year if
you wanted, which is costly, but it's just one year.
So that would be such a great, great problem to
have issue to have, not a problem issue to have.
But boy, and what I consider trading Richardson in the offseason? Yes,

(54:12):
I would, because I think it would be hard to
bring him back again, because if things work out well,
you're going to find some way to bring Jones back
and do this again.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Here's to me, Chap, what is impressive about Daniel Jones
and what's encouraging about Daniel Jones. And I mean this,
I mean this isolated to Daniel Jones. This is not
meant in comparison to any other player. I don't mean
it that way at all. But the thing about Jones
to me that's been impressive is he seems to have
a very clear understanding as to the ceiling of Daniel

(54:48):
Jones from one play to the next, and if something's
not working, he doesn't step outside of what it is
that he needs or can do in order to make
it work. And for that reason, I think you can
grow with him. I think you can build around him
because of the fact that he does not put himself
or his team in a bad situation if a bad

(55:09):
situation is out there to be had. Does that make sense?

Speaker 12 (55:14):
Oh yeah. And that's why I say I can see
this continuing because he's not doing anything like always smokes.
I've not seen him throw the ball like that or whatever.
Make it play like it. No, he's staying within within
the framework. It's and it comes off wrong, but he's
managing the offense. But he's not a game manager. And
I think there's a difference a game manager is a

(55:35):
guy who just who really can't do it. Maybe Minshew
is a game manager, I don't know, but that's not
what he is. He's but he's managing the offense. And
that's why I say it's the one thing that Shane
Styken emphasize was he wanted to consistently reliability and that's
one of the reasons that he went with Jones. And

(55:59):
because everything and sometimes we're wrong to do this, but
everything that Stychan has said about Daniel Jones is sort
of what you don't but you haven't got with Richardson.
You know, you got the great plays and all that,
but again, Jones was for Richardson's fifty percent completion percentage.
You can't play offense in the NFL with that, you can't.

(56:22):
Jones is at like seventy one percent, and probably the
most incredible stat he's like nine point three in attempt
So while he's making the underneath throws to Warren and
Pittman and all this, he's getting shot. Stani Ozelia a
nice one to Josh Stowns. I thought the one Pierce
got hurt on. I thought he caught it. I did,

(56:43):
though I tellt he could control of it.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I would agree with that, and I think the replay
showed that right, I thought so.

Speaker 12 (56:48):
I mean, it was it was like the second bounce
that the ball came loose, and.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
I thought so in consequential. But when when Pierce didn't
get up from that play, we now know he's in concussion,
wrote a call. I assumed he got because a lot
of times you see guys get the win knocked out
him if you land on the football and it hits
your abdomen. That's what I kind of thought happened there.
But you know, we have to see in terms of
Pierce what the health status is beyond.

Speaker 12 (57:13):
It's it's his third concussion and he's missed one game
after each of the first two. So you know, I
was talking with somebody last night about it and he said,
he said, he's okay, Yeah, well players do that. Of
course players do that. So so we'll see. And teams
are extremely, extremely cautious with concussions because you have to

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be so. But but again, if he's out, then that's
going to give Mitchell a chance to step up and
be that guy. But but again he'll be the third guy.
Pick at fourth guy when you consider it. Tyler Warren
with Pittman and Josh. Now I'm still waiting for Josh
Downs to go off, which he hasn't done yet. So
uh but as long as guys, as long as you're
getting Jonathan Taylor getting a hunting in some yards. Again,

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people either either don't recognize or forget that among active
running backs active running backs, he leads all of them
in rushing yards per game. It's like ninety yards a
game or whatever. He's had one hundred yards in six
of the last seven. And I had to double check this,
and I do trust the Colts PR, but I still

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had to check it out. Or what is it? At
three hundred and thirty eight yards, I think it is
in three games the most yards by a cult running
back since at least nineteen seventy really in the first
three games, and I thought, hey, no way, Edrin had
to have more than that, and he didn't. So you know,
Taylor's off to this great start. Knock on wood. You hope,
you hope he maintains his health. But remember ran he

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ran for fourteen hundreds last year and he was three games.
So again, I just think that he I wrote this
last week and I truly believe it. When Jones had
his season in twenty twenty two or they like nine
seven and they made the playoffs and and one and one
a first round game he had Saint Kwon Berkley, and

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when you give a quarterback that type of a running game.
And then again, this is the best supporting cast, best
offensive line, best set of receivers, best tight end that
Jones has had, and as long as these stays within himself,
which I I whatever I know of Daniel Jones, I
just don't get the impression he's gonna go out there

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one day he says, you know, I'm going for four
hundred to day because I want to That's not him.
Uh So that's why I say this is the kind
of offense that that you can't take away Michael Pittman,
and then somebody else jumps up and take away Tyler Warren,
and then somebody else jumps up. So so far, so good,
And I like to add structure because it's it's the

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kind of thing that should that can and should continue.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
By the way, chap if in no particular order, if
Marshall Falk, Eric Dickerson, Edge, Joseph and Dye, and Jonathan
Taylor are the top five backs in Indianapolis cult history.
Who's sixth.

Speaker 12 (01:00:08):
Dominic Croudes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 12 (01:00:11):
Yeah, maybe yeah should have been, but they didn't want
him in Disney World. Uh but but yeah, I had
someone tell me against someone inside the teams and yeah,
you know, top running backs, and he had they had
like like JT like fourth and I had no. Yeah,

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i'll give you edge and probably Dickerson. But when he
was here, not fault. He took off. Fault took off
when when he went to the Rams. So that's why
I say, it's just crazy how Taylor for whatever reason,
I don't know what it is. And it's just not
that stupid fumble whatever in Denver. It's just that there's

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something about him that people don't nationally don't appreciate. I
don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
I think part of it's the devalue of the running
back for a time. I think it's starting to come
back in vogue.

Speaker 12 (01:01:09):
But yeah, that's cyclical and it's coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
That's what I mean. So the other thing is he,
you know, Taylor for the running back position, Chap seemingly
you've either got to be a Barry Sanders juke move
guy and Eric Dickerson beautiful stride guy or an earl
Campbell barrow you over guy, and Taylor is a little

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bit of like two of the three of those. But
I but I don't know necessarily that either one he
jumps out at you as being a staple of one
of those, and that's probably.

Speaker 12 (01:01:41):
He's just acceleration. The other one probably don't have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
And he's got the thing about Taylor that is so fascinating,
not just does he had the acceleration, but the deceleration
in other words, you know what I mean. He can
go from second gear to six back to second and
then back to sixth again, which is impressive. Not many
guy can do that.

Speaker 12 (01:02:02):
Edgrin had that. He had that jump step and as
soon as he put his foot in the ground after
the cut, he was gone. People did I really don't
think people appreciated James Yeah for his greatness.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
By the way, Rose Potts might be up there. Potts
and Albert Bentley both might be up there.

Speaker 12 (01:02:19):
Albert Bentley could have he could have been something they
hadn't treated for Dickerson. I mean, we can go back
to the Dickerson thing that it didn't it didn't work,
but it was the right thing to do at the time.
But you were never gonna win. You were never going
to go through bad times with Derrick Tickers. And that's
not who he was. Uh, Rosie Potts was one of

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my favorite players. And he just remember that, whether he
led the team or was second in rushing one year
and then the next year they drafted Marshall and Rosie
came in and he was a fullback and he came in,
he cut like twenty or thirty pounds and he thought
he was gonna challenge Fault for the lead running around that. Yeah,

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that's not gonna happen. But Rose is a great guy.
But he and he he he didn't really understand his role.
But what a great guy. And he went through some
tough times. But this, whenever Taylor does things, you know,
the most enfranchised is this franchise has got some great,
great running back, right and whenever he does something, it's folks, this,

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this is not normal. And again people, I said, well,
he he broke the single season rushing record in a
seventeen game season. Yeah, he did. He did it in
game sixteen, So he's special. I I hope he stays
as healthy as a running back can in a season.
I want to see what he can do with this offense,

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because he's gonna he's gonna get eighty yards just because
and when he breaks one of those plays like he's
always gonna, like he normally does, it's something special. So
I really want to see what he can do and
have Jones sort of coattail off of that because it's
such a great combination that works.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Mike Chapels our guest CBS four WX an Fox fifty
nine as well. Chap Obviously in week two xaving Howard
really struggled, and that defensive backfield has been depleted by
injury a little bit. Now we know Kenny Moore has
the cap injury, he may miss some time Howard yesterday.
Did he rebound or was it just the fact that

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you're going against cam Ward who is learning the position
and a Titans group that is not overly stout.

Speaker 12 (01:04:38):
Probably that he did have an angleholding penalty, which I
don't get on. DB's too much for that, although three
and five plays that he had two weeks ago was
a bit much. But yeah, this is they're really testing
the depth of the secondary. And I'm not defending anybody
with the team, but I don't want to hear where

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they should have done more to reinforce that position. No,
you can't have like ten deep for crying out loud.
I think it's gonna be. It's gonna be really important
with with your various Ward Mooney Ward to be well
this week, which I think he just had cramps yesterday.
I think, but you're gonna have uh the coup this week.

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And he's the real deal. Remember the game they played
here with him as a rookie ye overtime and and
they forgot that he was out there and he cut
the touchdown and overtime. So the Rams, the Rams are
the real deal. I don't know how they lost that
game yesterday. I guess Black Peel wills to do that
to you. But this will be. This is I not

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to beat my home, but I thought six and two was.
It was a very realistic start for these guys winning
the first three, losing to the Rams, and then your
home the next two.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Right, Raiders and Cardinals at home. I mean, you got right, and.

Speaker 12 (01:06:00):
Then you go to Pittsburgh and then they can get
Tennessee home.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Well they go, here's what they got because I'm looking
at it right here. They got Rams right, and then
you go back to back home games with the Raiders
and Cardinals, followed by back to La to take on
the Chargers.

Speaker 12 (01:06:15):
Those are the two I thought they would lose.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
And then you've got Tennessee at home, so you get
right again. And then that's when Pittsburgh. Then you got
to go to in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 12 (01:06:24):
I don't know what they are. You know they needed
five turnovers to beat New England, right or take it takeaways?

Speaker 11 (01:06:29):
I mean.

Speaker 12 (01:06:29):
And then you go to to Berlin against Atlanta who
just got rolled, and then you get to buy a
week and then it gets tougher. Although you know we
love to look ahead Kansas. Any there's something wrong with
the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Yeah, they can't run the ball. They don't. The Chiefs
don't have just a pound you in between the tackles
level back to salt clock. If they get a lead,
that's their problem, right.

Speaker 12 (01:06:53):
They need they need to center Grove kid again. Well,
you're right, his name Escapes. I did a story on
Anybody's here for the pro Day, So yeah, so again
you never know how it's gonna go. That's why stealing
one against Denver, which they absolutely stole one against dinverd
they did. Uh, But but that that's how the NFL works,

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and you just you just stack them. And I think
so far Steichen has done a great job of keeping
these guys locked in the seven day because if there
if there was a trap game, it was Sunday it was.
And then cam Hord mails you a seven to nothing lead,
which is what an awful throw. But uh, I like

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what this team is doing. Again. I think what's important
to me is they're not doing anything extraordinary. The boy
they're playing at a high level. Special teams still bothered
me with some of the returns. Uh coverage, but uh,
every team's got issues. Uh, this team has fewer than most.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
It's uh so far, so far, so good. And they
look they didn't credit the Chris Ballard. They do look
like they've got depth. An area is that they wanted
to have depth. Mike Chapel, CBS four, WXA and Fox
with Denign chap appreciate it as always. To talk to
you next week.

Speaker 12 (01:08:06):
All right, look forward to it, you guys, be well, all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Right, my Chapel joining us on the program. We come back.
Two things that jumped out at me. Number one being
there was something in college football that I'm like, what
in the world. And there's another thing that everybody else
seems to be what in the world about with the
Colts that I'm not. I'll tell you about both next. Okay,

(01:08:30):
So something taking place right now in the game of
football that maybe I'm late to this party, but now
I see evidence of it where I'm like, yeah, I
kind of get it. And that is the complaint about

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rankings in general. For example, Indiana ranked nineteenth playing at
home any other at home, okay, sure against number nine Illinois,

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and they absolutely I mean when you say they blew
them out, that's not even. That didn't even That's not
even half of it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
That game.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Wasn't even close. Like, we went to the Indianapolis version,
not Bloomington, and we were invited to go down to
the game, which I would have loved to have done,
and thank you for the invite. Shannon has family in town,

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so we did not do that, but we did go
for dinner and then went to for the beginning of
the game to the broad up a location of Kilroys
because it's you know, in Indianapolis or an Indiana place
whatever you ever had the kill Roys Bret sticks Eddie
oh hu, yes, Okay, the Kilroy spreadsticks are like the
Indiana game, like fire fantastic, but at the same time,

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like when you open them up, it's just layer after
layer and they're just there's just more and more in
terms of the interior of them. They're basically like almost
like donuts. And that game was like that. Just every
time you thought Indiana, okay, they got a block punt
and they score that way, and then a breakaway run

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and then a big deep pass, and I mean just
every time you looked up there was just there were
more layers coming against Illinois. So I thought to myself,
they absolutely just eviscerated Illinois, the most points ever scored
against a top ten team in Big Ten history, and
they moved up eight spots to number eleven. And when

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you look at the rankings, it does make sense. I mean,
you run out of room after a while, like, okay,
who would you put them in front of? For example.
But whenever you hear people talk about like preseason, what's
with preseason rankings? How do we know with preseason rankings?
And there's truth to that because I look at it
and say, okay, so let's take Texas. Texas is ranked

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ahead of Indiana Okay, so you think to yourself, then
Texas must have. Clearly, Texas, their resume has got to
be really good or better than Indiana's. Texas open up
the year at Ohio State. They lost fourteen to seven,
but in reality, they were never in that game. Did

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you feel when you watch that game at any point
like Texas had any chance in that game?

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
At the very end when Arch Breening got the ball
down seven, he had a chance to go down and
tie the game.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Yeah, but like nothing right, they just they You felt
that whole time like Ohio State was in control of
that game, at least I did. Now after that, Texas's resume,
so they have a loss to open up and again
losing out Ohio State, not over the egregious, I get it.
Since then they've beaten San Jose State, UTEP and sam

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Houston State. Okay, how does that if it weren't for
the preseason ranking of where they were ranked to begin
the year before a game had been played, what part
of that is better than And yes, I realized that
Indiana's first three games were against lackluster opponents, but then

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they play a team in Illinois and absolutely, I mean
eviscerated them, Like I said, now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Hey, old Dominion helped boost that a non conference schedule, Jake,
But that went over Virginia Tech.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Now come on, see that's the other thing. Is the
other where I to be consistent. The problem with my
argument is this, If I want to stand there and
say Indiana should be given credit because of the fact
that they had that win over a top ten team,
then what has Illinois done to be ranked in the

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top ten other than simply preseason rankings? They beat Western
Illinois Western Illinois, just so you know, last the last
time Western Illinois won a game, President Lyndon Johnson was
there in attendance. They beat Duke Okay, that was a
road game, right correct. Yeah, And they beat Western Michigan, Okay,

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and then Illinois or Indiana blows them out of the building.
But the rankings in general, that has become a very
cachet thing to discredit rankings until like say week four
or week five of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I like looking at the coaches pull more than the
eight people because you figured they would know, right, And
they've got Ius Slott in twelfth.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Yeah, they got them behind Ole Miss Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Oklahoma might be the most complete team in college football
that is incredibly underrated.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Oklahoma's good, and Oklahoma has impressive wins. Oklahoma's got two
impressive wins so far. Most teams that are ranked ahead
of Indiana, like Indiana has at least one win. Where
you go, oh, Okay, Texas is the one that I
would have major issue with. Now Old miss on the
other hand, so Old missus four to oh, they've got
Georgia State. They beat Kentucky that's probably not a terrible way.

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And they beat Arkansas. Is Arkansas good by the way,
because Notre Dame has Arkansas?

Speaker 12 (01:14:29):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Arkansas? They probably would be ranked if they could just
finish a game like did you see how they ended
the game the other day on Saturday?

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
No, Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
So they're driving, then they throw a pick, they get
the ball back, and this is underneath two minutes. Now
they just need a field goal to win. They've got
to underneath a two minute timeout. There's like a little
over a minute ago. They're inside the fifteen. They were
playing who they were on the road. I can't remember
of Memphis, that's right, And they're running back fumbles at
the goal line and so then Memphis gets the ball.

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It's like thirty eight. The starting quarterback has to exit
on third down for the third down play because it's
helmet came off on second down, and their defensive lineman
can't tackle the backup quarterback and he's just getting drugged
by the backup quarterback for eight yards first down.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Arkansas loses. That's a rough way to lose. Oh yeah,
I think I told you. I've been to a game
at Arkansas. Okay, nineteen ninety one, when I was in college,
I went to a game Arkansas and Baylor in Arkansas. Now,
I'm not saying this is the case. Now, that was
a long time ago. But first off, the Arkansas fans

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yelled at wu pig suey, pig suey, woo pig suey
all the time. But also, and I don't mean the stereotype.
And if you're a native of Arkansas, then I'm not
saying this is applicable to you. This was the case
thirty five years ago. Every single guy at the University
of Arkansas when I was there, every single one of

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them five foot ten, two hundred and twenty five pounds
in drunk, every one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Well, no offense, What else is there to do in
Arkansas's goos me. Arkansas is beautiful though it is. I've
been to all fifty states. I'm gonna rank them someday.
I'm gonna do a blog and I'm gonna rank them
fifty to one, and Arkansas is one of my states
that will rank way higher than people would expect. I've

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been there once where Washingtah, excuse me, Washingtah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
That's what you did again there? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Yeah, you Indy?

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Who did they play?

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Washington Baptist.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
The name of the school is Washington Baptist. Yeah, okay,
does that mean like like Bill Hudne was Presbyterian, I think,
but he was a tall guy, so Washington Baptist. To me,
what that sounds like is like a six six religious
guide that somebody then comes in and gives them a

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shower and they're gonna go wash a tap Baptist. Okay,
I mean that's just where you know. That's what it's
was like to me. But nonetheless, so Indiana up to eleven,
I did think with that emphatic of a win that
they would be higher than that. And yes, just for example,
if you go I was on a college football website

(01:17:15):
yesterday and it says Indiana's surprise, Clemson's face plant, and
other shocking stories. I don't think either of those are
shocking stories though, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
How you feeling about Daboshweeney?

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
I like Dabosweeney And it's funny to me people that
are like, Dabo's seat's got to be hot, right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
I'm like, Dabo is Clemson.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
So well, here's the thing, and I realized in Indianapolis,
who cares about Clemson football? The point is this, how
many college how many marquee college football programs are there?
Thirty thirty five?

Speaker 12 (01:17:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
How many marquee coaches are there? Five?

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Ten?

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Yeah? In other words, yes, you can make the knee
jerk reaction of Obama needs to make a coaching change
or Clemson needs to make a coaching change, But then
you look at it and you say, in favor of
who who's out there? Tom Allen's out there. Tom Allen,
by the way, is the defensive coordinator for Clemson. And

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as a Clemson fan, I can tell you, do you
know what to do? There are plenty of Clemson fans
that are shrugging the shoulders like many I you fans did.
Now there's another question about the Colts that's become a
popular narrative. And I've thought about this and I watched
more of it, and I think it's much to you

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about nothing, and I'll tell you what I'm talking about next.
So I held off and reserved judgment on this for
quite some time. I mentioned it a little bit in passing,
maybe a week ago. But I believe this is we

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can put this story to bed, but I wanted to
opine on it before we do. So. I guess much
has been made about the owner of the Indianapolis Colts
standing on the sidelines wearing a headset, taking notes, and

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whether or not that would impact, influence, make nervous, be
unfair towards, et cetera. The coaching staff, Whether or not
that impacts effects makes difference in terms of the any
player or executive or whatever, having somebody looking over their shoulder,

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that's like following them around wearing a headset taking notes
on and on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Would it be different if it's something she wasn't doing
already and she was already doing that last year, It's
not something that is different.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
It is different, And I'll tell you why, because she
is now the one that the buck stops with her.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
I understand. But if I'm give you what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
I do. But what I'm saying is like when people
are like, what's the difference from then to now, the
difference is then it seemingly was not impactful. And I
don't mean that as a disrespect to her. I'm saying
in the past, if you were Shane Steichen in the past,
if you were lou An Arumo, if he had been
here I know he's in his first year in the past,
if you're Chris Ballard and Carl Ers Gordon raises a

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question about something you did, or doesn't like something you did,
or you felt like she was analyzing you, you knew
that the final say was Jim mersays, and so long
as you were cool with Jim Mersay, everything was good.
So that's where it's different. But the bigger difference to
me is this, there is definitely something to be said

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about owner over involvement. Jerry Jones is the poster child
of this. Jerry Jones is an owner that is making
personnel decisions, making trades, talking to the media anytime he
has opportunity. Driving around in this bus with the Cowboys

(01:21:22):
logo on it, he is Jerry Jones is ubiquitous with
the Dallas Cowboys. He is synonymous with the Dallas Cowboys.
He is as he should be. He's the owner. I
get it. But Dallas, the Cowboys have their reputation and
their brand have carried them with this narrative of being

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relevant for twenty years. And if it weren't for the
brand and the logo and quite frankly, the eccentricities or
the over involvement of their owner, they would have no
relevance at all. They don't won a playoff game in decades, right,
They've been to a conference championship I should say the

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might have won a playoff game. They've been a conference
championship game in what twenty five years? Thirty years? I mean,
but Jerry Jones, when people talk about, you know, owners,
there's an element of yeah, but I mean he's but
at least he's fun or he has the bus and
you know, he's got the girls gone wild thing going

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on and whatever else, you know, And to a great extent,
jimm Ersay Jim Mersay was rest his soul, a philanthropic,
kind hearted man, no question, and did fun things to
involve the fans, like doing the Willy Wonka ring giveaway
after they won the Super Bowl and things like that,
and the contests and the trivia contests and giving money

(01:22:51):
to animal shelters and the restaurant giveaways and all of
those things. But also at the places that people didn't
talk about because of all of that, there was definitely
at times overstep involvement with Jim Mersey. Need I mention
the suddenly out of nowhere, Sam Ellinger is your start
of the rest of the year, or Jeff Saturday is

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going to be the head coach, and those things that
happened in the middle of the year. There were impulsive
things that took place from ownership, and yet with that
it was hand off as like being okay because he
was a football guy that'd been around football his whole
life and is a good person. It is I've seen

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enough now and I've seen not that I've seen it
up close, but I've heard the discussion of it. I
saw it. By the way, Eddie, I'm looking down. Do
you have a toothbrush and toothpaste sitting next year?

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
I went to go brush my tee during the last break. Yeah,
I couldn't get the coffee sins out of my mouth.
The coffee taste, So I brush my teeth.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
You know, I've got a whole thing of mints over
here if you want them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Yeah, I know, I keep it stored it okay, at
my desk.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
But either way, the video they show of Carli ors
Gordon on the sidelines during the game, she's in the background,
and yes, is it unique that she's sitting there wearing
a headset and taking notes? I guess is it awkward

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sometimes her facial expressions or her overall mannerisms. Sure, and
it's not unprecedented what I'm about to say. But I
don't think to be fair that any of it would
be considered a big deal. I don't think to be
fair that any of it would be mentioned on a broadcast.
I don't think to be fair that any of it

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would be brought up in question by a national standpoint
if she a was over the age of fifty and
be a male. I think it is the fact that
she is a younger female that people find intimidating and

(01:25:06):
people find unusual, and that people have an issue with that,
and they just naturally assume, because she is a female,
that that means that she doesn't know the game of football.
And therefore there's a danger in her overstepping and taking
notes in whatever else, and that like Shane Stikeen and
Chris Ballard should feel uncomfortable that she's taking these notes

(01:25:28):
because how could she know if what they're doing is
right or wrong or et cetera. And I don't think
any of that's true. I don't know whether she's a
football savant, or whether she is a MENSA member, or
whether she's somebody who I have no idea what her
back like in terms of you know her, I mean,

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I know she's been around in her entire life. That
goes without saying.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
She's talked about it before, Jake that she doesn't so
she can have an understanding on what the co communications
like on the field. And again, this is something that's
just not this year. She is doing this for the past. Again,
I know that, and that's and we know that she's
done that because it's been pointed out before. The difference
being now that that she is the one with the
ultimate say that's why now it's being scrutinized more than

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it was in the past.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
But the the my point is simply this, Well, how.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Do you feel about it that she's in the player
meetings during the week as well. She's in the positional meetings.
It's not like she's just on the sideline. Cam Bienen
has talked about that, she's in the DV meetings one day.
Next week, she's in the defensive line or the running
back meets.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
Okay, And again my answer is the same, and that
is and I'm not saying in your case, none of
that would be brought into question to anybody if she
was a guy. I do believe that, and that's that's
that is what I'm saying, is that's wrong, that that's
the I agree that that is that should That's totally irrelevant.

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She's the owner and if the and in most what
I'm saying is this, in most cases, if the owner
was in the meeting room or listening on headsets or
opining in any way, people would would say, that's awesome,
my owner cares, My owner understands football. And maybe most
people about the Colts say that about her. I don't know.

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But from a national standpoint, the narrative of like, gosh,
look at this here, is this a distraction? Whatever else?
And that's not been an overwhelming theme in talking about
the Colts. But it's been mentioned, and it's been you
hear people whisper about it. And my point I'm going
to go back to is simply that when when I
covered the Rams and Georgia Frontier was the owner of
the Rams, and people thought that, like, well, she's just

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somebody that just inherited the franchise and doesn't know what
she's doing, and then they win the Super Bowl and
everybody goes, gosh, maybe she does. She's been around her
entire life. She probably has a general idea of you
don't have to know football to be able to assess
lines of communication and whether or not you believe that

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people have the right mentality in situations to make decisions
in heated moments. And I think that's what she's assessing
and evaluating. But I think the scrutiny of her and
I think the questioning of her has bias, and it's
a bias that is unfair and is wrong. But it
was a huge weekend of sports, huge that all tied together,

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and we'll retie that bow again and Taekwon lewis going
to join us about thirty five minutes from now. Colts
yesterday in emphatic fashion over the Tennessee Titans. Zire Franklin.
You heard it from talking there. Matt Taylor, voice of
the Colts on the radio, calls Shane Steiken as well
as it was a resounding victory. You heard Shane Steiken

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mentioned four sacks of cam Ward, half of those turned
in by Taekwon Lewis. He's going to join us. Estimated
about fifteen minutes from now. We'll see Taekwon Lewis after
their meetings to day going to call the show. What
time exactly he does call in, but we do anticipate
it being in this hour. And it was a loaded
sports weekend in Indiana, and I wanted to get back

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into that in terms of how I thought it was
interesting how they all kind of intertwined and let me explain.
Saturday night things really got in the way. And yes,
I know that, you know, Purdue and Notre Dame, and
I thought, you know, obviously Notre Dame's really good and
needed to get into that the right swing of things there,
because you know that they were better than what their

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schedule in the first two weeks had indicated. And I
thought Purdue showed some competency and just you know, they
had to use some trickery and things like that, but
for a team that is still wearing name tags with
one another at the very least. I don't know what
produced talent levels like, but I think Barry otom is.

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I just I like what I see out of it.
They look like they are bought in and have some foundation.
And if you consider where Purdue was coming what they
were coming off of under Ryan waltzs they foundation was
the first thing they needed. And that game, of course,
goes into the lightning delay and bleeds over into the
Indiana game. It delays the start of things at Memorial

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Stadium for Bloomington Bloomington, and then Indiana goes out and
they get the blocked punt against Illinois. They're off and running.
And Indiana did what they did a year ago. They
get a lead in a game, they take over in
a game, they get up seven to nothing. Illinois comes back,

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I realized scores. But then all of a sudden, Indiana's
up seven. Then you go and you get a coke
and you come back and use a restaurant whatever, and
you're like, oh, okay, they just got to take away,
and you know, now they're up fourteen. Gosh, you know
I wonder if if Illinois is going to be able
to get back into the swing of things here, and
surely you know this, They're not gonna this isn't it's
not gonna go this way all night. And then they're

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up seventeen. Then they're up to Indiana in terms of
I mean, if you look at what Fernando Mendoza was
able to do at the quarterbacking spot, twenty one to
twenty three for two sixty seven five touchdowns, just totally efficient,
totally efficient, and IU ends up getting the most points
against the top ten team in Big Ten history. And

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it starts out with just getting a lead and then
just building and compounding and compounding and compounding, and before
you know what, it's like that credit card. If you're Illinois,
it's like that credit card debt that has the higher
interest rate than you realize, and now you're in over
your head in Indiana. That's how Indiana under Kurt Signetty
has won games. They just they don't blow you away.

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You keep waiting for somebody to take them seriously, and
people don't, and so they just keep pouring it on.
And as I was thinking about that and assessing all
that and reading about all the records they said and
whatever else. Then I'm watching the Colts game on Sunday,
and the Colts so far, and yes, now it gets

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real for the Colts. The Colts have now and I
get the Denver game. Denver's pretty good. Denver absolutely gave
one away again yesterday. But Denver is better than Miami
and they're better than Tennessee. But nonetheless for the Colts,
if you look at it, the Colts just went through
their Kennesaw State Old Dominion Indiana state stretch. And now

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it gets real because you got to go and you
got to take on the Rams in La. Rams are
really good. Then you get two of them at home
where you know, you're kind of it's like you're back
home and you're taking on like Northwestern and Rutgers, you know,
I mean, you got to take them serious, but still
and then you go back and you got to play
the Chargers on the road. So two of the next

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four for the Colts, I think, pretty good tests. But
the Indianapolis Colts are good. They're three and oh they're
one of six unbeatens in the NFL. They're good, and
they are good because they're sound in a ton of
different areas and give credit to Chris Ballard and give
credit to Shane Styke in the areas that they said
they wanted to be sound, they are. And it begins
at the quarterback play. And Daniel Jones yesterday had a

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play that I thought showed all of that Jones had
to play in that game. You guys all know what
I'm talking about. Where he goes back and he's looking
through his progressions and just nothing's open. And he goes
through his reads and no one's open, and so he
basically tucks the ball and now he's going to run.

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And he runs, and he's a better athlete than you think,
and he is, you know he can. Jonathan Taylor was
talking about how fast he is and how he's you know,
he's got that kind of speed, and then he slides
just before he gets hit. And you say, to yourself,
this is what The last two Colts quarterbacks that we

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thought were going to be the franchise quarterbacks aired on
this kind of play in two different ways. Number One,
one of them probably doesn't go through all of his reads.
And I'm talking about Anthony Richardson because he is conditioned
to just want to run the ball, and he certainly
is athletic enough to do so. But before he even

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does that, maybe he makes the wrong decision or he
throws the ball the wrong place or whatever else. Then
you had Andrew Luck who was capable of doing all
of it, but like refuse to slide and go down
right and batters himself into retirement essentially, And it just
showed in multiple ways the poise of Daniel Jones. And

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is Daniel Jones, Burt Jones. No, Is Daniel Jones, Joe
Montana No. But when you have the weapons the Colts
have and the increased and I love what they're doing
with Alec Pierce, right, I mean the increased use of
Alec Pearson areas beyond where he was supposed to be used.

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When you factor all of those things in, then Jones
right now for what Shane Steichen wants to call and
for what this Colts team wants to do, and playing
within themselves and just being steady and growing leads and
not making mistakes and not turning the ball over and
not punting. Ricoberto Sanchez finally got it, you know, earned

(01:35:18):
his paycheck, but for the most part, just controlling possession,
controlling the ball, making the right decisions. That's what Daniel
Jones is doing, and that's carrying over to the entire
Colts team where they are stable, steady, efficient, consistent, and
they're unbeaten. And they reminded me of Indiana in that way.

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And then as that's taking place, then you flip over
and I'm like, I'm seeing another team in town in
this loaded weekend of sports that's taking place in central Indiana,
and I'm seeing another example of two different storylines sports
related in Indiana that look like one another and mirror
one another. And I'm talking about Cole Hawker, who, Yes,

(01:36:06):
I get it. I hear you right now. You're like, Jake,
the Colts are three, and oh Colts, Colts, Colts, the
Cults are three, and Oh Taekwon Lewis had two sacks.
He's going to join your show. And I'm listening in
to you talking about a long distance runner from Cathedral
High School. Yes, and I know he went to Oregon
Olympian Cole Hawker from Cathedral High School, Indianapolis native, and

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he goes out to the World Championships in Tokyo and
the fifteen hundred is his area of expertise in his
best event and he's disqualified last week, so which means
we've got to wait until late Friday, technically early Saturday
morning for us, much of which didn't even you didn't
even know about until late Saturday. Of the five thousand

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meter event, And if you watch that event, Cole Hawker
is as they're routing the last lap and they're heading
into turn number four. He's in like sixth place, and
he'd been disqualified in the fifteen hundred and just kind
of put out the pasture in the five thousand here

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where you didn't know what was going to happen, but
down the stretch when it mattered most, when things finally
straightened out on that last lap, he finds himself stride
and he goes from sixth to fifth to fourth to
third in a flash. And then in the last fifty

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meters the announcers are like, oh, my goodness, because it
was kind of out of nowhere, but here comes Cole Hawker,
and holy cow, I don't think there's any turning back
and he wins. And I thought about the Fever season
and when Caitlin Clark got hurt and when Sophie Cunningham

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got hurt and Ariel MacDonald got hurt, and it seemed
like They're Sea was disqualified and it seemed like the
area in the back court where they needed to be
their best, they were disqualified and left for out. And
then and we talked about it Thursday night, what they

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did in Atlanta to get into now the final four,
if you will, air quotes of the WNBA, and you
got to take on Las Vegas, one of the best
franchises out there. But when their season came down into
essentially now, what is the final turn of the final lap?
I guess you'd have one lap left if you consider

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that the finals will be the next round. But here
they are and kind of left for out, And when
it comes to the backcourt, you're looking at like being
pigeonholed back there behind four or five people. And yet
Kelsey Mitchell, who has been unbelievable for the Fever all year,
has a thirty four point Night Afternoon, specifically ote Simms,

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who wasn't even on their roster at the beginning of
the year. This is a team in the Fever that
in the middle of August were coming off a stretch
where they lost five of seven games. But like Cole
Hawker at the point where it seemed like they were
boxed and they couldn't make that move. Then all of
a sudden, this opening happens, in this clearance is there,
and before you know it, people are looking at it, going,

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holy cow, here they come. And in that game yesterday
against Las Vegas, they were up five to seven for
most of the first two and a half quarters, and
then Las Vegas makes a run, gets it close, and
then like Indiana, like the Colts, like Cole Hawker who

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had been disqualified in a different event, but now all
of a sudden season opening. That's exactly what the Fever,
who most of us disqualified as being out and dead
to rights when their back court was decimated by injury.
And here they are, and they are six wins away
from the WNBA title, and they are two wins away
from advancing to the finals. After getting a win on

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the road and now coming back here, Eddie, they have
stolen home court advantage away from Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
Yep, how many times did you talk about it, Jake
during the course of the Pacers playoff run that the
first game for the road team is always the easiest,
and that was certainly the case yesterday for the Fever,
and there might have been some hangover potentially with Vegas
with just how emotionally and hard fought that game was
against Seattle. To advance from Game three just two nights prior,
Fever were able to take care of business, and I thought, Jake,

(01:40:40):
they had an advantage of just being able to attack
the basket and getting by Las Vegas. Vegas couldn't stay
in front of them, and so they were able to
get in the paint, get some easy looks at the rim,
kick out for some shooters. They knocked down five threes
and limited the aces to five as well. So they
have to build on it now and hopefully they can
come back to Gamebridge Field House on Friday with a

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two zero series lead.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
It's been a long time since we have had a
weekend in sports in Central Indiana that eclipses what we
just saw in terms of the level of play, the
huge wins. And I get it. I mean, I understand
that Purdue didn't win on Saturday, but still, I mean
they're playing, you know, a nationally ranked team. I know

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that Notre Dame was looking for their first win, but nonetheless,
you know, clearly, I think everybody knows one of the
twenty best programs in the country this year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Did you see the breaking news Jake breaking news Sports Today,
College basketball news. Bruce Pearl announces his retirement effective immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Really m hm, Now let me ask you this, did
Bruce Pearl? Does it say a reason for it? Is
there a health issue?

Speaker 11 (01:41:55):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
No, Bruce Pearl is his.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Son, Stephen will be the head coach for the upcoming season.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Here's the thing about Bruce Pearl. Southern Indiana obviously won
a national title there. You know, the storylines of his
history with you know, in terms of the Illinois Iowa
scuffle that he was in scuffles the wrong word but
controversy that he was involved in coaching at Tennessee, then

(01:42:25):
going to Auburn and great coach at Auburn. And he
is one that has been rumored or linked to the
Indiana openings that they've had over the last couple of years.
I have met Bruce Pearl on a couple of occasions.
I think he is a tremendous basketball coach. I think
he some of the indiscretions that have been rumored at Auburn,

(01:42:50):
many of which now are legal, you know what I mean.
I mean just in terms of there's always been a
rumor of payments and those sorts of things. Bruce Pearl.
The best way that I can say it about Bruce
Pearl in the times that I met Bruce Pearl and
been around him, and there this is he has this
unique ability. You meet Bruce Pearl for five minutes and

(01:43:14):
you walk away and you think to yourself, that guy
thinks we're best friends. That guy treated me like like
I was the best man in his wedding. Unbelievable personality,
total charisma, total energy, fabulous, fabulous personality. And when I
say every time, it's not like it's been abundant. But

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in the times that I've been around Bruce Pearl, the
two things I always say is I walk away from
Bruce Pearl after being around him saying to myself, I
think that guy's my best friend, and I think I
need a shower just it's I'm ready to run through
a wall for that guy. And at the same time
I'm looking over to see if maybe I didn't realize

(01:43:56):
that I just signed up for like a timeshare somewhere
that I'm going to pay for the rest of my life.
But a fabulous coach that is an interesting, and I
wonder if that is. You know, Bruce Pearl is one
that I want to say, was there was there a

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controversy he was involved in at the end of last year.
I certainly hope that is not a health related issue.
He is sixty five years old, which is somewhat surprising.
I mean, you know, he comes off he's a youthful
sixty five. But nonetheless, that's it. That will be a
what's interesting about it? But here's what he said. Quote,

(01:44:41):
It's certainly something that I had considered. It's something I
thought a great deal about. But obviously I'm here today.
I mean, I'm in practice and I've got practice tomorrow.
I'm sorry he had said that earlier. I guess this
year maybe, but he Milwaukee also, I forgot he had
coached at Milwaukee. Fabulous coach. Pearl was given a three

(01:45:04):
year show cause penalty by the NCAA, with Auburn hiring
him five months before it ended. Back when some of
the controversies he's been involved with. But he what's interesting
is you would say that that leads a major void
and a huge job opening college basketball. But Pearl was
a better coach than that job is if that makes sense.

(01:45:25):
That's not to say Auburn's a bad job, but that
was a good job because of Bruce Pearl and what
he did for it, more so than just any coach.
Would you know immediately like line up to take over
the Auburn program. The big news sixty five year old
Bruce Pearl in fact retiring today that Eddie just mentioned

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coming out. But back to the coach yesterday, then easy
narrative would be to say, look, that got a big win,
and that was a huge win, but at the same time,
the Titans aren't any good, which is true. But Eddie,
you've got to win the games against the teams that

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aren't any good, and you've got to do it in
resounding fashion if you are to be taken serious. And
there are six teams unbeaten in the NFL, and I
don't know that any of them you would immediately say
jumps out at you as like they are definitively better
than the Indianapolis Colts. Because the Colts, yes, that Broncos game,
they got gifted a little bit, but they did hang around.
I mean, if you look at it, they there were

(01:46:29):
several opportunities for Denver to separate in that game, and
the Colts found they were very they had a lot
of resolve in that game, and obviously they're completely controlled Miami.
They were never in doubt in game number one, they
were never in doubt in game number three. There are
very few teams in the NFL that go multiple weeks
consecutively with never being in doubt. I mean, for that matter,

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Green Bay is one that we just assumed is going
to be an upper echelon team that's going to lead
or be in control of every game they play. And
when you go up against bad teams as Cleveland is,
you're supposed to be able to not just win that game,
but control those games. And they didn't do it. Not
for long. Is what the NFL stands for, and the
parody of the league gets designed for that. It's designed

(01:47:18):
to keep you invested and interested from one game to
the next because you just kind of never know what
will happen. And even with that, there are only six
now twenty percent of the league that are unblemished, and
the culture one of them. The Chargers, the Niners, the Bills.

(01:47:38):
I think the Bills are really good. I think the
Chargers are really good. Who am I missing here? Eddie,
the Eagles, Buccaneers, the Colts and the Bucks, and Tampa's
the other one. If you stopped one hundred people, who's
tonight's Monday night matchup?

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
It is the Ravens and the Lions.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
If you stop the one hundred pe people at that
game and said, name the six unbeatens, and you know
the age old saying, if you have to name seven dwarfs,
you can only come up with six. If I said
to you twenty bucks right now, if you can tell
me the final four from a year ago, you'd immediately
be able to think of three. It's the way it
always works. If you stop the one hundred people at
tonight's Ravens Lions game and said, name the six unbeatens

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in the National Football League, I'll bet you you know,
everybody'd be able to come up with five. And the
one that people would forget would be either Indianapolis or
Tampa because they don't jump out at you like the others,
and they weren't necessarily expected to be there. But the
Colts are. They are sound because they play kind of
within themselves. That's not selling them short, but they simply

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do not make mistakes. So much of the NFL is
about not putting your opponent in a position to take
advantage of the given and they're not doing that. I mean,
they literally are not giving teams in any possibility, any
chance to take advantage of an error. You know, I

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remember talking to somebody basketball wise that have been around
the game for a long time from a coaching standpoint,
and they said, you know, so often people think that
defensively in the NBA, that your job is to stop
the other team from scoring. It's not that. It's to
make it so that the other team has to take
the hardest shot and give them the least opportunity to score,

(01:49:33):
not to deny them scoring, but to simply make it
harder for them to score. And in the NFL, you
simply want to You're not going to shut teams out.
You're not gonna I mean, unless it's Miami. You just
simply want to make it so that you're not giving
them any better advantage than they may already have. And
the Colts haven't done that so far. They have been

(01:49:54):
careful with the ball, they've been efficient, they have seldomly punted,
and they're three and zero and one of the guys
that got two sacks for him yesterday, Taekwon Lewis is
set to join us and set to do so momentarily.
You know, I would not put an NFL player on
the spot to ask them to name the other five

(01:50:17):
teams aside from theirs that's unbeaten in the NFL. I
would simply bring them on by saying congratulations on a
great start of being three and zero and being one
of the six unbeatens in the National Football League, and
for having two sacks and doing it by the way,
Bruce Pearl. It totally spaced this. Bruce Pearl rumored to

(01:50:38):
be going into politics, the reason for his departure from
college basketball, pursuing a seat within the house, Tommy Tubberville
leaving a seat, and that leaves one open in the
state of Alabama. But I only mention that because we
had just mentioned a few minutes ago that Bruce Pearl
done at Auburn as the college basketball coach, but joining
us now on the game line. He had two sacks

(01:51:01):
yesterday and of course leading that defense that made things
difficult for Tennessee. Yesterday, Taekwon Lewis joining us on the show. Taikwan,
how are you?

Speaker 5 (01:51:11):
How are you doing? I'm good. Just I'm doing just fine.
I'm ready get this week started. You know, I was
excited about last week and yesterday's performance, but ready to
get going this week.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
You know, how does it, to be honest with you,
I'm curious of this in the NFL calendar, so to speak, Uh, mondays,
I would assume are primarily for you guys to maybe
get treatment and kind of look over things and then
turn the page. Like, at what point in the course
of a week do you put the previous game completely
behind you and then start looking towards the next opponent.

(01:51:43):
What timeline does that take place?

Speaker 5 (01:51:47):
Uh? I say, usually right after we finished the film,
you know, we watch it, go over to corrections and
the mishappens in the NV you know, we're pretty much
on to the next thing, and you just start breaking
down tape, you know, just breaking down players plays, concepts
and stuff, and you know, it's it's like routine habit

(01:52:11):
to us.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
And the film session is when like Monday morning, Monday afternoon, Tuesday.
What day do you guys go over what's that?

Speaker 5 (01:52:17):
Monday? Mondays, Monday on Monday morning, Monday morning, Monday, Monday afternoon.
Then after that, uh, you know, Tuesdays are usually our
all day, but you know a lot of guys still
come to work and we just just grind it out.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Man, you know what's funny to me? Taekwon Lewis our
guest from the Colts. I'm curious when you're watch when
you watch film, for example, how often do you see
stuff that you don't recall during the course of the game,
or that you that you see it when you're watching
it from up high where you're like, man, that does
now I do see what we did wrong? Or you

(01:52:52):
know what I mean? Or usually more often than not,
does it pretty much spell out what you knew going
into it?

Speaker 5 (01:53:00):
Yeah, majority of the time, you know. I think the
thing with film is we usually have three views of
it that the television watcher can't see. So when we
watch safe iss usually like from multiple views. He got
up high, he got right behind the D line, and
then you got the other side with the offenses. So

(01:53:23):
you know, it gives the coaches and the players a
little bit more perspective from each different position.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
So yesterday, let's talk about this in terms of Tennessee.
You know, you know going into it that you were
going against a quarterback who is new to the league,
but at the same time pretty darn athletic, right, you
know what sort of things just from a matchup or
maybe it's low and Umo's defense that you like, what

(01:53:50):
sort of things did facilitate or enable you to get
multiple sacks yesterday?

Speaker 5 (01:53:56):
All right? Really it was just knowing and the you know,
the guys back, having our backs and coverage and you
know guys next to me, you know, just honoring our
rush lanes. You know, that's the main thing. The key
to sacks is just rust lanes and one of your
one on ones. Uh. I think it's a lot of
discipline amongst us as a group, you know, cover rush,

(01:54:19):
Russian cover, it all goes together. So you know, I
pull out everybody that that that helps us get sacks,
and you know we help out when people get intercesss.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
What was the uh, I'll say learning curve. I mean
anytime that you have a new boss, a new coordinator,
it's different, right, So so when you come in with
Luvanna room. But what you know what was different this year?

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
Well, I would say it's a it's a it's a
lot more schematics, I would say, you know, Lou Lou
is definitely like a mad scientist. You know, he has
a lot of like different ways he could like set
things up. And I mean it took a lot of

(01:55:02):
learning for us because you know, we used to playing
you know, a four down at tax style defense and
you know this one it's a lot more like you know,
discipline and more gap integrity, I should say, versus like
you know, any other system that I've been in, Like
it's always gap integrity, but it's more disrupt the previous

(01:55:27):
years we've played.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
What about for you guys as a team, Taekwan lewis
our guest. You know you're three and zero. There were
a lot of question marks coming into the year, and
I know it's the other side of the ball, but
I wanted you to just expand, taekwe for our listeners
and for colts fans about you know, Daniel Jones in general,
Like he just seems to be kind of a quiet
leader type. I know it's a different side of the ball,

(01:55:49):
different room, but it seems to be kind of setting
a tone for you guys in general. Is that an
accurate statement in terms of the kind of leadership Jones
is for the leader he.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
Is, uh, I would definitely say that he is, uh
the guy who brings everyone together. Uh, you know, he
he knows everybody. Uh, he hangs out with everybody. You know,
he's a real locker room guy. He's a real great guy. Man.
He's just a cool dude. You know, he's he's one

(01:56:22):
of the guys. He's like one of the guys. And
I mean he never like leads anyone out, you know,
he I respect him for that. I think he does
a great job with that. I think that, you know,
the camaraderie in the locker room right now is you know,
it's high. I mean we're winning, and you know the
brotherhood is getting stronger as we win. You know, throughout

(01:56:44):
the highs and lows of training camp all of that.
You know, everybody start together through everything that was going on,
you know, so you know, we just blocked out the
noise and we just go to work every single day.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
Were you guys surprised that? I mean that was such
a big storyline that the quarterback battle, right were you
prize it was Jones?

Speaker 5 (01:57:03):
I mean I think that the way that the coaches
went about it, you know, it was just we knew
what we had to do as a defense, and we
knew we had to do as a team in order
to win. So I wouldn't say a surprise, but we
just knew that whatever the decision was, we were going

(01:57:24):
to rally behind it and we were just gonna come
together as a team and just win win games.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
You know, one of the things that taekwon Lewis is
our guest that to me, I'll give it and I've
mentioned this I'll give Chris Ballard a lot of credit for,
and that is that it seems like you guys have
more depth than you have on other teams that you've
been a part of with the Colts in certain areas
have been tested, like, for example, already behind you in
the defensive backfield, you know, guys have gone down and

(01:57:51):
others have been able to step in and play well.
You know they've got some depth there. But I'm curious
for you or just as a unit in general, do
you do you kind of have to learn tendencies of
different guys when you're not used to being on the
field with them, or is scheme scheme and the faces

(01:58:11):
don't matter.

Speaker 5 (01:58:14):
Us scheme and I think like faces do matter. But however,
you know you want to play to the level of
your preparation, and you know, I think that all of
that plays apart into it, you know, especially as like
as a defense. You know, we're not going out there
and asking you to be someone that you're not. We

(01:58:34):
just asked that you be the best version of you
when you go out there. Make sure you do your
job because at the end of the day, it's all
about the team. You know. If you do your job,
you're disciplined, and you play to the level of your
preparation ability. You know, the rest of you take care
of yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
Okay, now we do this each time I have somebody
on Taekwon. I'm going to do it with you real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:58:52):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:58:53):
Okay, you are from Tarboro, North Carolina. Did I say that? Correct?

Speaker 5 (01:58:57):
That's there?

Speaker 3 (01:58:57):
Okay? And I don't know is that where is that?
Is that near Charlotte or what part of north to
the state of North Carolina is No, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:59:04):
Actually from eastern North Carolina. I think I like to
call it the best part of the state where you
get barbecue.

Speaker 3 (01:59:12):
Okay, fair enough. Now, your high school, by the way,
purple and yellow and the Vikings, right, So, did you
grow up a fan of the Minnesota Vikings?

Speaker 5 (01:59:21):
No, I actually grew up a fan of the Indianapolis Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
There you go. There's the answer. That's the right answer,
right there. Okay, Yeah, Now, here's the thing. Your high school,
and I'm looking right now, I'm going to give you
a little trivia quiz. Here, are you ready? Okay, there
are a couple of players that are listed as prominent
alumni of your high school. Actually, it's pretty impressive the
list of alumni from your high school. One of them

(01:59:47):
and this one, like, I'm way older than you are, Okay,
but I'm curious how much this guy was talked about
at your schooler when you were a kid. One of
these guys was a prominent USFL player and also NFL
player that had a really good career as a running back,
and he had played at the University of North Carolina
if I'm not mistaken in the early eighties and was
probably the first breakout. Do you know who I'm talking about?

Speaker 5 (02:00:10):
Yeah, number forty four, Calvin Bryan.

Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
Kelvin Bryant is correct, yes, all right? Now, one Super
Bowl he did, as a matter of fact, one of
what the Washington then Redskins. Okay, now, another guy I
think that probably would have been a teammate of yours.
Did are you the same class as or how close
were you to Todd Gurley?

Speaker 5 (02:00:30):
Uh? He is one year old, one one class older.

Speaker 3 (02:00:33):
I mean, okay, so but you guys, I'm just assuming
that you guys had to have been really good in
high school? Were you really good?

Speaker 5 (02:00:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (02:00:44):
Like?

Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
How good? Okay? It says here? Nine football state championships, sir,
Tarboro was one of them on a team you were on?

Speaker 5 (02:00:53):
Uh? Three of them?

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
Three of them?

Speaker 11 (02:00:56):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
Okay, all right, fair enough?

Speaker 5 (02:00:58):
The four straight?

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
Well who beat you in the fourth?

Speaker 5 (02:01:03):
Uh? I think uh? East Lincoln?

Speaker 3 (02:01:08):
Yeah, cheaters right, East Lincoln cheaters. Corrupt program.

Speaker 5 (02:01:13):
Six? I think he has six fungvels in one day.

Speaker 3 (02:01:17):
Yeah. That that won't do it for you, that's for certain. Okay. Then, lastly,
so your Buckeyes is Ohio State Ohio State?

Speaker 5 (02:01:24):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (02:01:25):
How much do you still follow? I know, you guys
in the locker room, you know, will joke around, kind
of poke fun at each other, that kind of thing.
How much do you realistically get a chance to watch
what Ohio State's doing?

Speaker 5 (02:01:36):
I try to watch every Saturday if they try to
catch it.

Speaker 3 (02:01:40):
And they they are or are not the best team
in college football not named Come on, what about Hey?
How about Indiana? Though? Man, come on, give a who's
your some love here? It's Ohio, Ohio against the world?

Speaker 5 (02:01:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (02:01:58):
Okay? Last Taekwan. You know, I know you guys probably
have not gotten a chance to get into it just yet.
But one thing we know about the Rams that is
the next on the schedule for you. Not only a
great stadium, great environment, but that is a pretty high
flying offense. Your thoughts so far, at least from the
outside about Matt Stafford in that.

Speaker 5 (02:02:18):
Group, well, we know they have some dynamic playmakers and
they're running back and Karen Williams, Pooka Nicole. I mean,
obviously he's he's he had a really great year last year.
Davontae Adams, he's an established vet. They have Tyler Higby,
you know, he's been around, and you know Grey Olon.

(02:02:40):
You know, they have a great head coach and McVay
who all. You know, I think all of those guys,
you know, I played against them before, so you know,
it's it's definitely quite fascinating to watch what they do
on offense. But you know, we line up and play
football anywhere anytime, so you know, just guy, get ready

(02:03:01):
to play the game and play the right way and
go out do our jobs and get a win.

Speaker 3 (02:03:04):
Speaking to head coaches, you've obviously been here, you know
for the totality of Shane Stikeen's time, it seems from
the outside like Shane Stikeen has really kind of grown
into that role. How if in any way have you
seen him grow or change from when he first became
a head coach to now.

Speaker 5 (02:03:24):
Oh, Shane, Shane does a great job. You know, he
does a great job navigating us in the locker room
and putting us in the right position to win, especially
with like building a bond with with with the guys. Uh,
you know, he this year we did a lot of
like off season things where we came together a little more,
you know, we got you know, I mean, you guys

(02:03:47):
probably seeing it on social media or something, but like,
you know, we do bowling, we go paintballing, just a
lot of stuff Shane Shane like implements with us in
order to help us grow as a team. And you know,
just bet because I mean, like he says, when we're
connected with I mean we're you know, when connected would
committed and you know, it just builds us together, so

(02:04:08):
and I mean that's that's the biggest thing I've seen
from him.

Speaker 3 (02:04:10):
Are you a good bowler?

Speaker 5 (02:04:15):
I mean I'm decent, you know, Okay, I go hang out.

Speaker 3 (02:04:20):
I'm good at bowling for like one game and then
after that, like you, you would not have this problem.
But for me eventually, like I'm like, man, my arm
is sore from bowling too much, which is weird, I realized.

Speaker 5 (02:04:30):
But you know what I mean, Uh, yeah, it does.
It does get like that.

Speaker 3 (02:04:34):
Yeah, Taekwon Lewis again. Colts Rams coming up on Sunday.
But for right now, the big news is one of
six that are unbeaten in the National Football League and
two sacks yesterday against the Tennessee Titans, two of the
four where the Colts came from Taekwon Lewis. Taekwon, we
appreciate it, man, appreciate the time and look forward to
watching you over the course of the year. And then also,

(02:04:54):
don't be totally upset if in fact there is some
sort of an upset. And I think in the end
of place, does any other I have Ohio state this year, Eddie,
Maybe they don't. Might be a break for your buckskis. Yeah,
it's a break for the Buckeyes scheduling.

Speaker 5 (02:05:05):
Breaks beat them by a million two.

Speaker 3 (02:05:09):
All right, Taekwan, appreciate it man, all right, appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (02:05:13):
Thank you, guys.

Speaker 3 (02:05:13):
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Speaker 13 (02:05:57):
Ew larsh, Hey, I want to ask you, because I
heard this a little bit earlier you said it, do
you really think that we owe or you owe the
Colts and apology for the way they've started out.

Speaker 3 (02:06:09):
No, I think I think the person that said that
was talking about Daniel Jones, like we owe like.

Speaker 13 (02:06:14):
But still no, you know, I mean, I get it,
but do you think that's true.

Speaker 3 (02:06:20):
I think in the case of Jones, I think the
apology owed would be like from say the New York
fan base whatever else that just assumed that he couldn't play.
And maybe now we're realizing the situation was not very
good for the Colts themselves. I mean, it's three games,
you gotta go along. I do think that they are decent,
but at the same time, they're beyond decent. I think

(02:06:41):
they're good. I mean, I think they are a good team,
but you gotta do it for I think probably you know,
it's funny John I said at the beginning of the year,
there's always one team that we say, like around Halloween,
you go, are they good? Like they might actually be good.
I didn't think they would be, And the Bucks are
one of them that could be that team, But I

(02:07:02):
think the Colts could be one. I think maybe we
sold them short in terms of what they could be
or who they are, you know, and they are benefiting
from the fact that they they're in a division that
you know, I mean, did you think Houston would be
zero to three? So no, do we owe them an apology?
I don't know if I'd go there, but so far

(02:07:24):
they are clearly erasing some of the doubt that people
had about.

Speaker 13 (02:07:28):
See I think about my stance wasn't anti Daniel Jones,
it was anti everybody. I mean, in January, I just said,
you know what, if this is what it's going to be,
it's going to continue to be this way, so reset
the organization that was my stans and for three games
it has been wrong. But my thought was that nobody
around heroes anybody. And I'm not trying to be argumentative

(02:07:50):
on this, but there have been a lot of years
where fans go down there knowing what they know about
this team and making better decisions than this team may
within its own player of personnel.

Speaker 3 (02:08:03):
So yeah, I just thought, there do this.

Speaker 13 (02:08:07):
I think the fan base around here they're absolutely do
this type of play, this type of positivity and results
so far, So that's that's kind of how I viewed.

Speaker 3 (02:08:17):
I yeah, I would agree with that in the fact
that I mean they're owed this, Yes, you paid that
kind of money for that long.

Speaker 13 (02:08:24):
Yes, advertisers, no return on investment for the better part
of eight years. I mean, you're owed this so and
it's good, it's fun. It's sure as hell a lot
better than what we have witnessed and the alternative being
mediocre or less.

Speaker 2 (02:08:38):
Do we owe the Pacers to thank you for sparking
all this?

Speaker 3 (02:08:43):
It does feel that way, Huh.

Speaker 13 (02:08:45):
I don't know the Pacers either. Thank you, I will say,
I say we own chat in Canada.

Speaker 12 (02:08:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 13 (02:08:50):
I like him a great deal.

Speaker 3 (02:08:51):
Are you talking personally.

Speaker 2 (02:08:53):
As sports fans of the city thanking the Pacers were.

Speaker 3 (02:08:55):
Bringing that all jump started everything?

Speaker 12 (02:08:59):
Man?

Speaker 13 (02:09:00):
I love I still love that team. That's my favorite
team of all time. Following a game short that stinks,
but just a great group. And I wish there was
a way, and I guess we can right when the
season starts without Halliburton and now Miles is in Milwaukee.
But which there's a way that you could grasp one
of that. It seems like looking at the review, guys,

(02:09:21):
that that whole Pacer season, the end of season, the
postseason went in like a snap, a flash. Oh right,
It almost seems like we didn't get a chance to
soak it up as much as you wanted.

Speaker 3 (02:09:32):
It is crazy to think there. I mean, it gives
you that much more appreciation when people talk about, like,
you know, oh, the either a ridiculous load management donea
and you're like, man, you think about like the Lebron
teams or the Golden State teams that were going every
single year, and it's like there is no off season.
I mean, it's just boom boom boom, right.

Speaker 13 (02:09:52):
I just look at Tyres Haliburton. He just goes completely
balls out until the very end for this fan base
and for that accomplishment. And you can't tell me that
going out there and planning that there wasn't in the
back of his mind, Hey this thing isn't right. But
I'm going to do it until I can't do it anymore. Man,
And you take it that far, win loser draw. I

(02:10:14):
just have a great deal of admiration for that, and
I think the fans around here too too.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
But it just seemed like.

Speaker 3 (02:10:20):
It was over in a step. Jake.

Speaker 13 (02:10:21):
I cannot get enough of watching all the highlights of
that postseason. Anytime they pop up on social media, I
stop and watch, partially because it's Miles in Game seven.

Speaker 3 (02:10:31):
When you're living in the middle of it, as we were,
as it was happening, you almost like took it for granted, right.

Speaker 13 (02:10:35):
Yeah, it was just so full. I mean it was
happening so fast, totally. I mean, it all happened so fast.
And think about the good fortune. I mentioned this regarding
the Colts last week. A lot of the times you
see good fortune that rideshotgun when your team shows results,
executes and play plays. Well, that's what you saw from
the Colts last week. And that's what you saw from
the Pacers down the stretch of the season. Good fortune,

(02:10:58):
you know, a lot of good luck up until the
hell of Burton injury was riding shotgun with a high.

Speaker 3 (02:11:02):
Level of play. What's on the big show coming up here?

Speaker 13 (02:11:05):
Noah Eagle get IU on NBC on Saturday Night.

Speaker 2 (02:11:09):
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 13 (02:11:10):
IU went over Illinois with Noah. Stephen Holder of ESPN
is going to join us. We'll talk about the Colts
as they get set.

Speaker 3 (02:11:16):
Maybe two.

Speaker 2 (02:11:16):
If anybody's going to southern California.

Speaker 13 (02:11:19):
Bullseyes got a party out there right outside of so Far,
so we may try to work some people in for
that a little bit later times, right.

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
There near lax be awesome weather, it'd be great as well.
All Right, John's up next. We'll be back with you
at noon tomorrow. I thank you for listening to Quarying Company.

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