Colts Miss Out On Playoffs Again + Will Changes Finally Be Made? Mike Chappell & Brian Neubert Join!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Querry in company.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm gonna be keeping you company for the next few hours.
You are not going to believe the company, this company.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
You're going to bankrupt your mama's company.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
At least I have the radio to keep me company.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
On ninety three to five and one oh seven five,
the fan back going to throw with Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Colts bring pressure Lawrence out of the pocket upfield at
the five bearing left, and he's gonna scamper in for
a touchdown. Lawrence direct snap, He's gonna take off and
run and scamp into the end zone for a touchdown.

Speaker 5 (00:24):
He's got two rushing touchdowns today.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Motion out to the left side, including Downs Warren and.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Michael Pittman, Jude. They're blitzing Rivers.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Throws that way intercepted thirty twenty five twenty yard line
of being stopped right there is Jerry and Jones prevent
defense by Jacksonville. They're going to rush five back, gonna
throw as Leonard steps away from trouble. Throws downfield, it's got.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Enough air on it into the end zone and it is.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Intercepted by Jacksonville at the eye in Indianapolis in the
end zone. Twenty three to seventeen is the final score,
and the Colts losing skid now has reached six games.

Speaker 6 (00:59):
Guys fall crazy. I thought our guys battled like crazy.
At the end of the day wasn't enough. But I
thought defense, you know, got some turnovers, some stops, special
teams duel and we had some big returns, you know,
set our offense up field position. At the end of
the day, we didn't make enough place. Obviously, there are
circumstances that are uncontrollable some things, but there are controllable
things that you can control, and you've got to fight

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and find ways to win tight games. And that's what
this league is. We have done a good enough job
of that, and that starts with me. We got to
find ways to win tight games.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
Matt Taylor.

Speaker 7 (01:26):
Yesterday Colts Radio Network, Rick Venturi's voice you heard as
well and Shane Steichen talking about afterwards the Colts effort
against the Jacksonville Jaguars and then Lafiat Indiana's Axel Rose
asking the question that everyone is asking, where do we
go now? Where do we go from here? What happens

(01:49):
with the Colts moving forward? Yes, I know there is
still a game to be played, but we will get
to that and much more over the course of today,
on this Monday noon too. You thank you for joining.
My name is Jake Quarry Eddie Garrison. The other voice
that you will hear on this program. We call it
Query and Company here on ninety three to five and
one oh seven five the fan. There's other sports to

(02:11):
talk about. Indiana is getting set for the biggest game
in the history of their football program, which will be
the biggest game that they play in their program until
and if they beat Alabama, in which case the next
game will be the biggest game. Seems weird to think
the Peach Bowl would be bigger than the Rose Bowl,
but nonetheless that's the reality of it. Purdue is an

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action tonight the Pacers. There are other sports. But the
big story and the one that we will get to
right away and the one that we will get your
reaction to and break down and get you the latest
on over the course of today is that of the
Indianapolis Colts. And here's what's the hook to all of this.

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The curveball to all of this is the fact that
the reality that was the penultimate game of the season yesterday,
It was the home finale, but it was the penultimate
game of the season. And penultimate if you were to
look up the definition means basically whatever it means first

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to last or second to last, whatever. In other words,
one more after it.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
But it wasn't.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
That was the ultimate game of the season. That was
the finale of the season. The reality is this, and
I hate to break it to the marketing department of
the Colts. I hate to break it to the roster
of the Colts. I hate to break it to anybody
on West fifty sixth Street.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
This game coming up this Sunday.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
Yesterday I watched the end of what was a fabulous
game between San Francisco and Chicago. Watched that game, and
afterwards Mike Tarico said, we now can show you the
schedule of games for Sunday and what time they're going
to come on. And I thought, the thing is in Indianapolis.

(04:02):
No one cares. Now, I shouldn't say that we care
about the game itself. We care about the team, but
the result. At this point, we will listen to the
broadcast with Matt Taylor and Rick Ventury on this radio station,
will watch the game out of curiosity of who plays,
who's at quarterback, who's held out, but in terms of
the result of the game meaningless, and the Colts have

(04:25):
put themselves in that position. So let's go back to
where do we go from here? As I was watching
that game yesterday, I realized as I was watching it
that I found myself sitting watching that game. And we

(04:45):
have this ability, right, we have this ability in our
mind to take ourselves other places. How I do it
three hours a day on this show, half the time,
and I appreciate those of you that navigate and wander
with me. But as I was sitting there, and I'm
thinking about and hearing about, and yesterday had fun at
the pregame tailgate, the ultimate pregame tailgate. It slipper Noodle,

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had fun, you know, meeting different people, talking to them,
shooting the bowl, talking about the Colts and Pacers and
everything else. And I'm doing so and I'm wearing basically
jeans and a long sleeve golf shirt. And then today
I leave the house and it's eight below with windchill,

(05:28):
And is there any greater symbolism of the Colts season
than yesterday and today? Yesterday first half of the season, today,
second half of the season. But as I was sitting
there watching that game yesterday. My mind took me to
mid June and Gamebridge Field House, maybe early June, and

(05:49):
my mind wandered to that because I can still vividly
and immediately grasp and feel the almost incredulous nature that
I had, the this belief that I had, but at
the same time, the starting to understand and grasp feeling
that I had of watching Oklahoma City and the Pacers

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in the NBA Finals, and watching sitting there watching Game
six of the NBA Finals, thinking to myself, I can't
believe that I'm watching the Indiana Pacers four quarters away
from winning what I never thought would happened and winning
an NBA title. Now, why is this guy I just

(06:31):
turned on the radio? Why is this guy talking about
the Pacers on a day when everyone's talking about the Colts.
Why I don't understand that what is this guy doing?
It took me there because of this.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Do we know that guy knows what he's doing?

Speaker 7 (06:52):
No, that's correct, Eddie, right, none of us at this
point we don't we All we know is that it
appeared as though maybe the Colts don't know what they're doing.
But in terms of where we go from here, I
was sitting there, and it took me back to Gambridge
Fieldhouse because I was watching that game in game six,

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and as I was watching in that moment, it took
me back to February of twenty twenty two because when
the Pacers traded Domas Sabonis, they had come off of
three seasons where they had been the four seed in
the East, the five seed in the East, and the
nine seed in the East, and playing into that play

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in round of the playoffs, they had not been terrible.
They were stuck in a neutral they were stuck in
a mediocrity. They were stuck in not the vat of suck,
but the vat of average, and it's a tough place
to get out of. And the Pacers in February of
twenty twenty two traded Domas Sabonis because they had been

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playing the Sabonus turner, double big man on the block
style of play for four years, three and a half years,
and they had tried it and tried it and tried it,
and they finally realized, if we're going to get ourselves

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out of this neutrality, we've got to not just in
like move the gearbox, We've got to absolutely grab it,
rip it and tear it and start all over. And
the Pacers at that time when they made that move,
the next season, as I've mentioned many many times before,

(08:40):
held like a meet and greet with the media where
Rick Carlisle, Kevin Pritchard, they sat there and they basically said,
we're going to ask you for patients, and we're going
to ask you to ask the fan base for patients
because we've made a seismic shift in the way that
we're going to play and the identity we have as
a franchise, and we don't know if it's going to work.
And they said that they were honest, we don't know

(09:02):
if it's gonna work. But what we knew was we
saw the way we previously existed and how that worked,
and decided that we needed to make a seismic change
in direction. And I was sitting there in Gambridge Field
House in June thinking to myself, here we are three
years later. We thought it was gonna be longer than that.
Three years later, this team is four quarters away from

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an NBA title, four quarters away. Because the Pacers didn't
wait for everyone else to determine when there was no
other alternative, The Pacers didn't wait until the timing was perfect.
You all have been in relationships that have been difficult
or challenging, that have run its run, run its course,

(09:47):
and both parties kind of know that maybe it's time
to break up or start seeing other people, but you're
waiting for the perfect time. Well, we can't break up
now because her birthday's coming up. We can't break up
now because we're a week from Valentine's Day. I can't
do that. We can't break up now because Christmas is
coming and I can't do that. We can't break up
now because the dog's not feeling well. All of those

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are valid reasons to be compassionate, don't get me wrong,
but my point being, there is never a perfect time
when it comes to seismic change. The perfect time is
determined by the group that, in perfection decides that change
needs to come.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
And for the.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
Indianapolis Colts right now, let me run you down some
numbers that were sent to me earlier. Today, most people
know the Indianapolis Colts were previously the Baltimore Colts, owned
by Bob Versay, and Bob Ursay had bought the Rams
franchise and traded them with Carol Rosenbloom who owned the
Baltimore Colts. The Baltimore Colts franchise before Bob Ursay took

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over was one hundred and fifty four and ninety That
was their record, and then Bob Ursay took over, and
Bob Ursay's tenure is the owner of the Indianapolis Colts
or excuse me, the Baltimore slash Indianapolis Holds. They were
one hundred and fifty three, two hundred and twenty six
and a tie one fifty three, two twenty six and

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a tie. Bob Ursay passes, Jim Mersey takes over in
Jim Mersey's tenure better two fifty seven, one ninety four
and one pretty good, but that included Peyton Manning, and
that included Bill Pollion. Bill Pollion was a pillar of

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the organizational direction of stability, of competence, all of it
very good at what he did. Having Peyton Manning certainly helped.
Without Bill Pollian. Without Bill Pollion, Jim Merces Colts one
hundred and eleven, one hundred and one. Not bad, but

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you know what that breaks down to, essentially on average
basically nine and eight eight and eight, eight and nine
in the sixteen team. You know, nine and seven right,
the ersay ownership and totality four hundred and ten wins,
four hundred and twenty losses, two ties. Carli Ersa Gordon
now is a third generation owner of the Indianapolis Colts,

(12:13):
finds herself here, finds herself looking at a team that
potentially is going to go eight to nine or nine
to eight, And carli Ersa Gordon is going to look
at it and say, based on the law of average,
that is the average record of my family's ownership of
the franchise at times a lot of very very good,

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at times a lot of very very bad. But if
I'm going to make a seismic change, if I'm going
to make a change in direction and ownership, it feels
like maybe the timing isn't right. Gosh, we had a
quarterback that got injured. We had a big trade we

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made to go all chips in for a corner back
that was going to be a final piece and he
got injured. Injuries have come into play. The dog doesn't
feel well. The quarterback went down in the Achilles was
something we hadn't played for in Valentine's Day.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
Is just a couple of weeks away.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
There's always a reason to prohibit seismic change, But when
it comes to making seismic change, there's never the perfect
time unless people seeking perfection determined that it's there and
it feels like that time is now.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Now.

Speaker 7 (13:37):
That's not to say it definitively is. You could make
a very very compelling argument both ways.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
I get it.

Speaker 7 (13:46):
People asked me yesterday at the tailgate. People asked me
yesterday after the game. People asked me yesterday. Basically, it's
not like I was like out, you know, bar hopping
all night. But when you know it's the topic for
all of you, not just me, This isn't special to.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Me, any of you, any of you.

Speaker 7 (14:09):
You're walking through the grocery store, you're running your neighbor,
you haven't seen it in a while. Hey, what's going on? Yeah,
I watched the Colts. What do you think they're gonna do?
It's the first question people have. What do you think
they're gonna do? And what I think the Colts should
do and what I think the cults are going to
do are two totally different things, and in no way,
shape or form should one really be influenced by the other.

(14:29):
It would be disingenuous for me. It would be a
discredit to this program or to you folks, the listeners
of this program, to dictate my answer on what I
think they should do based on what I think they're
gonna do, And it would be totally unfair of me
and ridiculous of me and arrogant to me to think

(14:50):
that what they're gonna do is gonna be based on
what I think they should do.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
What.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
However, all of that said, I don't believe that there
is overwhelming evidence presented that says that they're going to
make a seismic change for a number of different reasons
that can change, of course, and the one curveball to

(15:19):
all of this is familiarity or lack thereof. We are
not familiar with the thought process of Carli ers Gordon.
We don't have precedent to know what her normal operating
procedure is, what her perceptions are, the manner of her

(15:41):
management style, her ownership style, we don't know. We can
assume that she saw the way that her father operated,
and maybe she patterns after that because it's hereditary, and
maybe she saw things as we sometimes do, where you
see people above you and mistakes that they making you think,
if I'm in that position, I'm going to handle that differently.

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We don't know, and it is well within her right
as the owner and her two sisters to do what
they feel is best for their family and their franchise.
We just don't know what that's going to be. But
as of right now, I simply I do understand again
that word familiarity. She has familiarity with Chris Ballard, she

(16:26):
has familiarity with Shane Steichen. She does not have familiarity
with the position in which she finds herself. So maybe
for another year she leans on the comfort of that familiarity.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
That's possible.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
But if you were to ask me, which many many
people did, my answer to you would be, I don't
think that there is ever a perfect time to make
seismic change. But what I thought about yesterday was this,
As I was watching the game and Trevor Lawrence was

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running the football and showing good touch and making good
plays on third down, the Colts were hanging in there.
They fought like crazy. Shane Steichen said it, guys fought
like crazy. When out there we knew we had to
fight like crazy, we fought like crazy. They did do
that and I thought to myself, this would only be
fitting for this franchise and the way that it is

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run of late, to suddenly now put it together and
win a game after they found out twelve hours after
they found out that it was meaningless because for the
last five to ten years, every decision they've made, every
move they've made, has always been right after it would
have been of importance. They've always been just a day late,

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and they've always seemingly initially kind of made the wrong decision.
We forget Chris Ballard's first big move hired Josh McDaniels
as head coach. We forget that, then apparently announced it

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before getting the guy to sign a contract. Lack of
execution got things out of order, and then you end
up with Frank Wright, good coach. We know what happened
there the quarterbacking situation. Yes, Andrew Luck retired. I don't
know if you folks have heard that or not. It

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was not good timing right. Never a perfect time for
seismic change, unless the person seeking perfection in life is
the one going after it. But that put the Colts
in a position where they were chasing their tail a
little bit. They get a curveball. There, they get a pass,
I should say, because it's curveball thrown at him. But
then what happens, Kick the can, kick the can, kick

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the can, and then once it was probably even too
late for it to do. So, they finally decide on
a franchise quarterback and they go out and they signed
Carson Wentz and they got it wrong. Owner didn't like him.
Out the door, back to square one, kick the can again.
And as I thought about it, I thought they seemingly
were always a day late on their day and option

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on when to make change. They were reactionary instead of proactive.
That's the way they've been, reactionary instead of proactive. And
the time now is for them to be proactive. And
that's not a personal indictment on Chris Ballard. I don't
know Chris Ballard personally talk to him a handful of times,

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interviewed him, had him on the radio. Thought he was
a little smug one time, but I hear a lot
of good things he does around the community. I think
at his core he's a good person, and I think
he probably knows football. But I think he knows football,
there's more to it than just looking at a player

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in the pull on weed eater into ten's bowl and
saying that guy looks like he might be an NFL player.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
There's more to it than that. There's developing depth.

Speaker 7 (20:06):
There's figuring out and anticipating when you need to be
prepared for certain things, making sure that you are proactive
and not reactive all the time. And when you talk
about fighting like crazy, guys went out and fought like crazy.
We knew we had to fight like crazy. I think

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Greg Doyle pointed out Shane Steiken used that term like
nine times yesterday in like seven minutes. Faught like crazy.
But you know what is crazy. What is crazy is
going about the same thing being plotted in the same
vat of mediocrity and expecting it to be different. What's

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crazy is looking at it and saying four to ten,
four hundred and twenty and two, what's you know? Looking
at it and saying, for the most part, eight and nine,
nine and eight. But we're going to be different now
by sticking where we are Domas Sabonis and Miles Turner
alongside one another four seed, five seed, We're just gonna

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stick with that and continue to rise with what's been working.
When we've seen repeated evidence of it being stuck in
the same vat.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
That's what would be crazy.

Speaker 7 (21:25):
And when you look at double digit seasons, a playoff win,
and a roster that's only getting older while now sitting
and waiting to find out whether next year your quarterback
is going to be the guy that you re signed
who's coming off of an achilles tendon injury, or the

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former fifth round pick that seemingly you've completely turned the
page on, or the late round selection might have even
been undrafted, I can't remember right, or whether it was
late round or drafted either way, sixth round er, thank you, Eddie,
sixth round pick or your former sixth round pick that
when it came down to it, you only trusted him

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to throw a Hail Mary. You trusted rather a forty
four year old quarterback because he had been the one
taking first string reps all week in practice and that's
who you game planned with. But let's not forget that's
also the same quarterback that he handed the keys to
in a meaningful road game against the number one seed
in the NFC when he had joined the team for

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his first practice on a Wednesday afternoon and you handed
him the keys the game planning and working all week
long didn't seem to be a factor then, and you
didn't trust a guy that you had selected that's been
in your building the entire time. But either way, I
have no personal vendetta against Chris Ballard. I have no
emotional stake in what I'm saying, other than to say

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the precedent dictates that waiting for things to change when
you have had repeated evidence that you're right there stuck
in that vat is not going to work. And so
it is my opinion the time is now that you
make that change.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Now, who do you.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
Go out and get that's going to be excited to
come in and take over a franchise that has no
definitive starting quarterback Week one, no first round pick for
the next two years, new ownership. I mean, it's not
new ownership, but it is, you know, I don't know.
I can't answer that. I would assume that there are
people that would be willing. There are only so many

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jobs as an NFL general manager, there are only so
many jobs. And was this year derailed by injury? Sure
it was. You know what I watched last night? I
watched the San Francisco forty nine ers. I watched the
San Francisco forty nine ers who came in here and
cliniced and outworked the Colts just before the holidays. And

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I watched a team that had a backup quarterback that
had to sustain and win games for them this year
because their starter was hurt. And I watched a team
that had a third string tight end have to be
the guy for them for the first month of the
season because their other guys were hurt. And I watched
a team that over the last two years has had

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other running backs and other players come out and have
to make dynamic plays out of the backfield because their
signature offensive weapon was hurt. And they overcame those injuries
because they had depth and they had preparation.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
And the Colts did not have those.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
Things this year, partially because I think they were just
expecting to bring the same thing back and be stuck
in that vat because it was never a perfect time
for change. And here we are on this the final
week of the year, both from calendar and from NFL standpoint,

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and going into now a game that's kind of interesting
because you want to see who's on the fiel, but
in reality, it's the pok Tella Penitentiary game yesterday. You
saw it, the Giants and the Raiders. Ugh, right, Like,
what did we do to deserve the Giants and the
Raiders on television? And as you were watching that game

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the Giants and the Raiders, there is some meaning to
the Texans Colts game. None of it on behalf of
the Colts. So maybe there'll be some national interest in
what the Texans do. But it is that game, Eddie Garrison.
You have been in there in the lab basically as
doctor Frankenstein, putting together this masterpiece of a show today.

(25:37):
Can you let our listeners know what we have lined
up for the rest of today's program.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Still waiting to hear back from Don Fisher. I hope
he's not already like celebrating or just in total prent
mode for the Hoosiers game against the Alabama Crimson Tide
on Thursday. We have just received word from the Powers
at Beat from Ton Meyer Jake Quay that we will
have in IU football postseason special right here on the

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fan tomorrow night at seven o five, So be on
the lookout for that. Hopefully we can track down Don
and we can talk about that a little bit more.

Speaker 8 (26:08):
But Mike Chapple at one o'clock he'll join us to
talk about the Colts, and then Brian Nubert from Golden
Black playing their final non conference game tonight and he
will join us at two thirty.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
And again Indiana getting set to go out to Pasadena.
So I certainly understand that there probably is a lot
going on for Don Fisher as well. We will continue
this conversation in case we don't talk to Fish about
where the Colts go from here.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
And I would love to know.

Speaker 7 (26:32):
I do want to know, and I have a feeling
and I'm not trying to sit here and say I'm
going to hand out pitchforks. There might be some of
you that believe that Ballard and Steichen and I do
like Shane Steikin. I think Shane Steichen actually shows some
flash as a coach. And I think I'm in the
minority there, but I'd like to know it. Two nine
ten seventy. You can text or call us two three

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nine ten seventy, preferably want to hear from you on
what you think. Are you completely out on this? Are
you upset or are you giving it pass because of
the injuries. That's the conversation that's what I want to
hear from you folks. And yes, we'll get into a
little bit of speaking of seismic change college basketball and

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where it might be headed. That's a conversation that Brian
Knuburn and I are going to have coming up to the
two o'clock hour chap at one o'clock another quarterback that
was just signed by the Colts.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
What does that mean?

Speaker 7 (27:25):
We'll get into all of it your thoughts as well
at two through nine, ten seventy Monday edition. Querying Company
here in ninety three five one h seventy five to
Fan Eddie, I think we've officially moved in. They just
gave us parking passes.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Word.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Just get your parking pass word.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 7 (27:44):
Now the parking pass hangs from the rear view mirror.
But anymore, doesn't it seem like rear view mirrors are
like computerized objects that don't have the big arm that
hangs down from them as much anymore. They're like a
fixed in the windshield, so to speak.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
You know I'm talking about I do not like my
rear view mirror.

Speaker 7 (28:04):
It doesn't have necessarily the like I think the old
school ones had a longer arm that you could hang
things from. The one that I have now is more
like a fixed into the windshield, and then it robotically
moves as opposed to me moving it manually.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Either way, I'll find a way to me.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
You just have a helugi.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Rear view mirror, Jake is mine. I have to move manually,
by the way.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
Before we get into the phone calls Ashley, I the
rest of you at two thirty nine, ten seventy on
the Colts, I had did you see my semi viral
experience over the weekend, Eddie, which was totally bizarre?

Speaker 3 (28:43):
What was that?

Speaker 9 (28:45):
So?

Speaker 5 (28:45):
I was driving.

Speaker 7 (28:48):
And I realized my windshield I had a windshield wiper
go fubar. While I was driving, and I was on
the near east side, and I just happened to be
by a large automotive superstore, and so I pulled in and.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
I was on the phone with someone.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
And as I was on the phone, I happened to mention,
you know, yeah, I've got to get winshield. I have
no idea like what sort of wipers my car takes
whatever else. The employee overheard that, waited until I was
off the phone, and then said did you need help
with your winshild wipers?

Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yes, I do, actually, so I bought them.

Speaker 7 (29:19):
And then the employee said, I said, I have no
idea how to put these on. Yeah, I'm an idiot whatever,
laugh at me. I don't fine, and she said why,
I can do that for you. So she goes out
puts it on for me and everything else. But she'd
looked it up, looked up the model number, and very helpful.
And I do this with and so when I got
the receipt in huge block letters at the top of
the receipt, it says store oh one nine three whatever.

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And I've done this period. I do it a lot
with airlines, whatever else. But I sent a tweet to
the company and just said, hey, you know what I
was in store oh one nine da da, and your
customer or your employee was very helpful and you're lucky
to have her. And somehow or another that got fed
into the bot form of robotic replies of you know,

(30:06):
you name it. It became this polarizing political, racially, divisive
whatever else, to the point where then I ended up
muting it. But the last that I checked it had
I think three point seven million interactions and none of that.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Is are people. I mean, I get it.

Speaker 7 (30:27):
It's a fascinating observation of like social media in twenty
twenty five. But I digress has nothing to do with
the cults I realized. But Ashley and I, among others,
would like to talk about exactly that. We will begin
with Ashley and I believe Ashley, you are a repeat
caller to the program.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
Is that correct? What's up?

Speaker 10 (30:47):
No?

Speaker 9 (30:47):
I mean, this is the first time I've actually made
it through I think.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
Really, so this is anyway breaking news. Thirty six female
listeners now of this program. Female listener number thirty six,
we greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
All right, your thoughts.

Speaker 9 (31:05):
All because you guys that I've actually learned football without
having to watch football, So that feels awesome.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
First of all.

Speaker 9 (31:12):
Secondly, I had a dream right before Dan Jones was
out for the season about my husband throwing a fit
and he's throwing stuff around and he never does that
in real life, and I was like, what is your problem?
You know? He's like, our quarterback is done, and I
was like, so you're going to tear the room up.
He's like, it's my shit, I'll do what I want.
And I was like, Okay, two days later, Dan Jones

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is out.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
For the season.

Speaker 11 (31:35):
I just trip him out.

Speaker 9 (31:37):
So I thought that was kind of crazy. And I
just feel like maybe there's personal reasons that our backup, backup,
whatever quarterback is not playing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (31:46):
So you're talking about Anthony Richardson and you think that
anthwer Now, now let me ask you this, Ashally, do
you think there's any chance at Ashley richards or that
Anthony Richardson might have called a radio show and inadvertently
sworn on the air and that's why he was penalized.

Speaker 9 (31:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (31:59):
Instead, all right, Ashley, listen, now, did you have any
other let me ask you this, do you have any
other premonition that has happened about either the Colts or
people of this radio show?

Speaker 9 (32:11):
I'm so far again, no, but if I do, I
will call you back late.

Speaker 7 (32:15):
We would love to know that. All right, Ashley, First off,
and I appreciate the call. Good point on Anthony Richardson.
Is there something personal? I don't think it's personal in
the form of a personality conflict, but I do believe
it just appears as though there is no other And
I get that Anthony Richardson has been hurt. I get it,

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and I get that the I'm not making light of
the eye energy injury in any way, shape or form,
and it is a terribly unfortunate circumstance that led to
his year being completed. Because I do believe that he
has done for the year. They only have one game left.
But I also believe that if Shane Stiken, so long
as he is the head coach of the Colts, that

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Shane Steiken has completely turned the page on Anthony Richardson,
and not knowing who the general manager is going to be,
may well be Chris Ballard. The slippery slope for the
Colts moving forward is this, if Daniel Jones is not
available at the outset of next season, and he may

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well be, but if he is not available through camp
or in week one, week two, week three, but let's
just say the first few weeks of regular season, counting
games and training camp, if Daniel Jones is not available,
the Colts are in a predicament because there are few

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quarterbacks that they can have steady the ship and handle
the wheel for them that would not be messy handoffs.
If Anthony Richardson is handling the first string quarterback duties
through training camp, through the preseason, and let's say for
a game or two and shows competence and flash. Because

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of his size, his athleticism, his age, and where and
how he was acquired, there is going to be a
wave of people that believe that should be the guy.
And then how do you ask those fans to have
faith in it when you hand the keys over from

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that over to then Daniel Jones or back to Daniel
Jones Riley Leonard. If you have Riley Leonard and he
shows a little bit of promise, people are going to say,
this guy's young, he could be the next Rock Party?
Why are we started? Why are we Let's continue to
see what he's doing, and it becomes kind of messy.

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That's another predicament they're in. And if Shane Steigen's the
head coach or whoever comes in as dead coach, it's
one of the land mindes that you've got to navigate
through wearing clown shoes, and that becomes a challenge. Does
that also lend itself towards Therefore, it's going to be
more difficult to find a GM or a coach that
wants to take on this situation.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Ike is up next? I like, Ike, what's up? Ike?

Speaker 3 (35:21):
How are you doing?

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Jay? I'm well, thank you.

Speaker 12 (35:25):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
My whole take on.

Speaker 13 (35:26):
This is at the NFL level, at any level, you
can go all the way back to high school, grace
who the teams that win have good coaches.

Speaker 11 (35:39):
And that's what it all boils down to.

Speaker 9 (35:41):
You.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Look at all the.

Speaker 11 (35:42):
Coaches that win in the NFL, no matter where they go,
they win good case in points. Look at New England.
Where was that coach at last? He was at Tennessee.
He was always in the playoffs. In the minute he leaves,
they just fall apart. Then he goes to New England.
The team it was a joke last year And now
looking at him. So I'm just hitting and do we

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get the right head coach? We're gonna just keep spinning
our wheels. We know, keep wondering this's a quarterback?

Speaker 5 (36:11):
Is this?

Speaker 11 (36:12):
Is it that?

Speaker 3 (36:13):
But do we get the right head coach?

Speaker 11 (36:15):
We're not going to.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Win, are you?

Speaker 7 (36:17):
And so you and and I'm not trying to put
words in him out So you don't believe that Shane
Steichen is that guy.

Speaker 11 (36:23):
No, no, no way, He's not the gamik at his record,
you know, we made the playoffs with him.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Though you know, he's a good guy.

Speaker 11 (36:30):
I'm not knocking the guy as a person. He's great
whether the head coach, he's just not head coach material
and we'll never win with him. We can keep him
for one hundred years and we'll never win with him.
So that's my take.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
My thing is this. I think you make a good point.
Here's the thing.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
There is some relatability for all of us as to
what makes a great head coach in the NFL, or
at least a good head coach in the NFL. There's
an area that all of you can relate to, which
I'll tell you next great point from Mike two through nine,

(37:07):
ten seventy telephone number, Mike Chappell coming up fifteen minutes
or so from now. The Colts have signed a new
quarterback to the practice squad. Interesting this time of year,
because then you wonder, wait a minute, is this like
an emergency quarterback in case they are making a change.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
Doesn't it feel that way, Eddie?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Is it is that the new backup for Sunday.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
Seth Hennigan has been signed to the practice squad?

Speaker 5 (37:38):
You wonder, you wonder, can you.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Name where Seth Hennigan went to college excellent.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
Qu my favorite game, as you know, are you looking
at it right now?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I knew because they worked him out a couple of
weeks ago.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Okay, uh is it a Power five conference?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I got to remember what conference are in first and foremost?

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Now? Uh? Sure? Okay?

Speaker 7 (38:04):
Is it a give me the bowl game that you
would guesstimate that he would have played in during his
college years?

Speaker 5 (38:11):
What's a typical bowl for this team?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Not a power five? Not a power five conference?

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Okay? Then, secondly and last is I'll go with Nevada.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
No, they're a basketball school.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
A basketball school.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
They're currently known for their basketball more than football.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
They have a former pro as their head coach Memphis.
That would be correct.

Speaker 7 (38:41):
No matter what line of work you're in, Eddie, give
me a professional off the top of your head, plumber, plumber,
So people would say to a plumber, you know, I mean,
I know I could call the plumber, but I can
I can do it myself. I watched a YouTube video
on I mean, how hard is it? You get two pipes,

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you put them together, You get the little round thing
that goes in there and screw it together. There you
go fix my plumbing problem.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Well, don't forget you need the plumber stave as.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
Well well, and the plumber's crack.

Speaker 7 (39:12):
And then and people at that point, though, they get
into the job, and then what happens. You ended up
with a flooded basement, parts all over the place, and
you're like, I guess I do need to call the plumber,
because there's more to it than just putting together two pipes.
There's more to it than that in this job. And

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I'm not saying that I'm good at it.

Speaker 5 (39:35):
I'm not. I don't know that.

Speaker 7 (39:37):
I mean I honestly, but I understand and I respect
and I appreciate that people will say to me on
a fairly regular basis, you know I could do your job.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
I love sports.

Speaker 7 (39:52):
I probably know most more about sports than the guy
I hear talking about it on the radio. I totally understand.
There are people listening to my voice right now that
know far more about Like they knew right off the
top of their head. They knew it that the cult
owner Jim Mersay were two fifty seven to one ninety
four and one. They knew it. They don't have to
look it up. There are people that know all of
those things, and I totally understand it. And yesterday when

(40:15):
I was doing the tailgate. As a matter of fact,
two people this weekend, Greg yesterday at the tailgate, Great
dude Jim, who I met at dinner on Saturday night.
Both of them pointed out something to me, and for
both of them, I said, I truly appreciate you saying that,
because they said, man, I can't imagine having to talk
for three hours without me, without you Eddie. They brought

(40:36):
me up, Well, hell, you think you've been gone for
three weeks. So one guy did say, is Eddie's head
really that big?

Speaker 5 (40:45):
And I said, well it is.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
And then he said, well, tell him he did a
good job with the fairground lights, and I said, well,
I'll let him know.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
But there is so much more to this job than
just talking about sports, because you have to know what
time to take the breaks. You've got to be able
to talk with people talking in your You've got to
be able to you know, there are other factors that
go in. I'm not saying that we get some sort
of an award for it. It's what we do for
a living. But there is a lot more to it
than just talking and that's true of all of you

(41:14):
and any job that you do. And I think for
an NFL head coach, we say to ourselves, I could
do that, or other guys could do that, because how
hard can it be if you just simply know the game.
I'm sitting on my couch and I can't believe that
he didn't realize that he had an extra timeout to burn,
or he should have in that situation challenged that play.

(41:35):
And I'm not saying Shane Stikeen specifically, I'm just saying generically,
but I think that there's a lot more to being
a head coach in any sport, above and beyond simply
the x's and o's and the preparation. You know, I've
always thought Nick Saban and John Caliperi, I've always felt

(41:59):
like the brilliance of those two guys as coaches is
above and beyond the x'es and o's. Brad Stevens is
a fabulous x's and o's guy. Those Butler teams knew
where loose balls were going before the loose ball even
touched the rim. But Brad Stevens also, I remember once

(42:23):
years ago, I was at a Butler game. I was
working for Channel six, and I was just having a
casual conversation with Brad Stevens, who at that time was
not even the head coach.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
He was like an assist I mean, he was an
assistant butler.

Speaker 7 (42:42):
And he asked what high school games I'd been to recently,
and I mentioned a player that I had seen play
in a high school game from a smaller town in
northern Indiana that I was really impressed by. And he said, well,
what about you impressed you? What about him impressed you?
I should say, and you know, he just had this
knack for you know, and I'm listing the things on

(43:02):
the court, and Brad Stevens said, did you happen to
watch how he interacted when he wasn't on the floor?
And I said no, And he said, I'm just curious
if whether or not you think he could have been
a good butler, bulldog, but I want to know how
he interacted when he wasn't on the floor, because there's

(43:24):
more to being a great player than just the x's
and o's. But Brad Stevens, who at that time was
a relatively unknown assistant coach, saying that to me, it
like popped a light bulb in my head of Gosh,
this guy's an assistant coach at a Horizon League program,
and he's going that in depth and analysis of a

(43:45):
player beyond the x's and o's and trying to figure
out the personality of a player and the makeup of
a player.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
And that moment.

Speaker 7 (44:01):
Was an epiphany for me of how much coaching is
above and beyond what we just simply think is the
job itself. How much of coaching And I'm not saying
Ike's wrong, Ike's probably right. I mean I'm saying this
in support of what Ike was saying as the caller.
So much of coaching is knowing when to go to
the commercial break, knowing how to talk with people talking

(44:23):
in your ear, knowing how to navigate through when there's
an engineering issue and people are stepping over you to
connect wires and you've got to make sure that nobody
else knows what's going on on the camera or off
the camera or whatever else. There are so many aspects
of the job. So much of coaching is knowing above
and beyond. It's knowing the right pipe that is able

(44:46):
to work in different atmospheres or different climates, cultures, whatever
it may be. Whatever goes into plumbing right, and I
think that meshing personality, understanding cohesiveness of the intertwine of
people of different backgrounds in a locker room, and getting
guys to respond and buy into a belief or a

(45:12):
where you're going, or overcoming adversity, all of those things
are such important factors to being a head coach, no
matter what level you're talking about, and seeing how pieces
work together and seeing how combinations come together, and sometimes
that's learned on the job. Plumbers have apprentices because you've

(45:35):
got to learn some of that stuff on the job.
And I think we have seen coaches in this town
that we can say we saw them learn on the job.
Rick Carlile. Rick Carlile is on the cusp of winning
his one thousandth game. The Pacers have been waiting for
it for a while now because I think they have
some stuff planned for him. But Rick Carlile is on

(45:57):
the cusp of winning his one thousandth game and games
in the NBA. Rick Carlile at one time was a
coach that was in Indiana and they bypassed Rick Carlisle
to hire Isaiah Thomas because at that time they didn't
feel like Rick Carlyle that it was in the best

(46:18):
circumstances and situation for him to learn even though he'd
been the apprentice, because there were still things that he
needed to learn, and so he went to Detroit. Then
he came back here. He learned those things and went
on to become a championship level coach and one of
the great coaches in the history of the game. But
you can see sometimes coaches grow before your eyes where

(46:39):
you go. You know what, Now that guy is a
pretty darn good coach, but wasn't necessarily in the beginning.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Perhaps, And I think.

Speaker 7 (46:45):
That Shane Steichen has shown some improvement. But Eddie, the
point is he may still be. Maybe he is in
fact an O coordinator. Maybe that's his thing because he
knows often and I think that he has laser focused
on the x'es and o's of the inner workings of
play scheming. But maybe he is still learning the other

(47:10):
stuff of knowing how a guy performs when he's not
on the floor of the field, and the other such
personality messone that goes into it.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
I think the other part of it too, is like
if you look at the teams that are for Ike pointing,
I think it was Ike pointed out earlier, just like
New England, Chicago, the teams for that matter, Indiana AU football.
If you look at these teams and how they've turned around,
all of these coaches demand things. They're very demanding with

(47:41):
how you prepare, with how you practice, with how you play,
the fine details and every single thing. And I just
don't know if that's in Shane Stiching like he's he
seems like he's a nice guy, but he just doesn't
have the little bit of a hole in him that
you need in order to be a head coach in
the NFL.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Yet. And that's my I'm not disagreeing with you.

Speaker 7 (48:04):
I'm saying maybe the answer to that is yet Again,
that's one of the things the Colts have to assess.
Mike Chapel covers the Colts dean of it joins us
next so Colts yesterday on the short end of it
with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
By the way, Eddie. And I'm not saying this in
a hey, you were wrong, I was right. Whatever.

Speaker 7 (48:29):
I'm genuinely asking because it does feel like and maybe
there's a little bit of a Sam Darnold question hanging
in the balance type factor to this But Trevor Lawrence
is one quarterback that you and I have discussed a lot,
because you know, I had so much expectation as to

(48:50):
who he could be because I watched him in college
and his pedigree and resume and all of that. And
obviously it has been very rough sledding in Jacksonville, and
you were pretty down on him. It's seems is though,
now that he is healthy, they've gotten some stability around him.
He has kind of taken a step into it, at
the very least some consistency. Do you still think of

(49:14):
him as because like Sam Donald, I think has had
a wonderful year in Seattle, But I don't know when
the game's on the line in an NFC title game whatever,
that I trust Sam Donald.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Right, because we haven't seen Sam Darnald do that yet.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
So where do you think Trevor Lawrence is at this point?
After yesterday?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
I think I told you last week that I've started
to shift to my thinking a little bit with how
i view Trevor Lawrence and the Jags, just because of
the way that Liam Cohen has been able to turn
things around by demanding certain things and he actually coach
coaches them hard to get the best out of his team,

(49:49):
and that has really really resurrected Trevor Lawrence's career. And
the other part too, is I have to give William
con a lot of credit. Is he finally realized where
trevor'ss are. It's you run the football and you get
him on these bootlegs and he is very accurate on
the run and he has an understanding now of where
the football needs to go. They changed things, as JP

(50:10):
Shadrick said earlier in the season, they were going from
him calling all the plays into his headset into the
huddle he has to relate it to the guys and
then say like, hey, can we just go to o
Risband And now they simplify things that way. And that
Jacksonville offense, now that they've added Jacoby Myers, has been
a problem. And the one thing I think people haven't
really talked about with Jacksonville lately is they don't have
Travis Hunter at there and like, how's that going to

(50:32):
look next year?

Speaker 5 (50:33):
And they've gotten a.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Lot of really good games and reps out of Parker
Washington lately. Brian Thomas Junior is still a factor.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
At Washington was huge yesterday.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
No question about it's been over one hundred yards in
each of the last two games.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
Now, it's funny the two best teams in the AFC
might be the two that nobody's talking about right now
in New England and Jacksonville, at least in terms of
where they are now. But Mike Chappell joins us Java
House peeling poor guest line. Java house dot Com is
the website. Jake twenty five is how you can get
twenty five percent off the bundles for the poor Pods. Chap,
I'll begin with this before we get into talking about

(51:04):
maybe some of the rest of the AFC. The Colts
do do have a game left. We know that uh
seemingly meaningless in terms of what it means for their
you know, postseason that's done. Where do the Colts go
from here?

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Chap?

Speaker 7 (51:18):
In your opinion, I guess I'll begin with where do
you think they will go? What do you think Carly
Ursa Gordon ends up doing?

Speaker 13 (51:27):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (51:28):
If I had to put your salary on the bet, uh,
let me see, there's aren't There's three options, right, It's
you bring them back everybody, you blow it up, and
you bring it back with probably getting rid of Chris
moving on from Chris Powder. But those are the three
primary op You could bring back Chris and get rid

(51:50):
of Shane Stikeen, which would make no sense to me
because Tyking's proven pretty good when you when you give
him stability, even with a marginal quarterback. I'll tell you stingstacking,
getting getting Gardner Minshew a fifteen million dollar free agent
contract from the Raiders his monster, I mean, one play.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Away from that.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
So yeah, boy, I maybe we've talked on this. Maybe
it's just the best guys in the in the media room.
My gut says, and I'll duck when I say this,
that they're going to bring it back. This, she'll bring
it back. This is the argument I'll make, and then

(52:31):
I'll change my mind. But I think Carly is going
to sit there and say, you know, when we were
seven and one and eight and two, we were pretty
damn good. I mean, we were good, and I don't
want to hear this garbage on the social media that well,
you know they were regressing before this, No, they were regressing.
They regressed when Daniel Jones broke his leg. He played

(52:53):
two games of the broken leg. Fractured, yes, fracture break break,
it's a broken leg and then the achilles and that
was compounded monsterly by Anthony Richardson not being available because
of his uh freak injury. I'm convinced that if that
injury doesn't happen, they're in the playoffs because Richardson would

(53:15):
have done enough and they wouldn't have bothered Philip Rivers
out of retirement. So I in what I can't get
out of my mind too, is that I believe she
was pretty much behind not pretty buch I the issues
behind most of the things that Chris did in the
off season, you know, the big contracts forward and buying

(53:36):
them and Jones, you know, not so much Jones, but
then that's certainly the giving up two verse round picks
for sauce. Gardner told me that they were locked in
on this roster now, not just for this year, not
just for this year, but for the next few years,
and that meant investing something in the off season in
bringing Daniel Jones back, which in my mind they said, well,

(54:01):
now the dynamics have changed. But I just think that
the moves that have been made, and I understand, I
understand the fan base is done. They are so over
nine years of two playoffs and one win, and I
understand it, and I can't talk you off of that
ledge at all. But I just think to reset now

(54:26):
would would be difficult because the year to reset is
it in twenty twenty six when most of the guys,
a lot of the really major players, their contracts are up.
You know Buck although who knows if he comes back
from this, or Needd dic surgery, Jonathan Taylor, Pittman, Quinton

(54:48):
and on or on, and that that's when it seems
like is when if you're going to blow it up,
that's when you do it. So and could they fire
Chris Batter and bring in a GM and say, by
the way, here's your head coach and your quarterback. Yes,
I don't think that works very often. They didn't work

(55:08):
with Chris and Chuck Bergano, although they're different, different scenarios.
So I can, I can. I can hear her sit
up there if and when she talks, and and she
will be as as rational and as objective as she
can be, and you'll either buy into what she's saying

(55:32):
or you won't. And I understand people that won't.

Speaker 9 (55:36):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I just think this is this is one of those
squarely years, where again, Chris Bauder did so many things
that a lot of us have been saying, hey, why
don't you, you know, deviate and do this, and he
gives that the two biggest free agent contracts of his tenure,
and the Sauce Gardner trade was I mean that just
that told you they thought this team was was poised

(55:59):
to do something special. And then your quarterback gets hurt
and then the backup quarterback was already hurt. So very
few teams can overcome. I understand the Niners did this,
that and the other, but but keep in mind the
Niners went when Rock Perty got hurt, they had Mac Jones.
So that's what I was saying, is is that when

(56:20):
Jones gets when Daniel Jones gets hurt, they've got ar
then then we're probably not having in this discussion.

Speaker 5 (56:26):
So that's fair. Let me ask you this, chap, go ahead.
Do you have siblings?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (56:34):
Are you? They're older or younger than you?

Speaker 3 (56:36):
A little ower, about a year older?

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
The reason I ask, for example, when I went to
high school, big jump to go from middle school to
high school, you know, especially a big school like North Central, right,
you know, oh, you're gonna get lost in the hallways
and you know, you freshmen get put in lockers, you
know whatever. And I had an older sister who was
a senior, and I had a cousin that was a junior,
and there was a comfort for me no knowing that

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I was getting ready to go into a new venture,
into a new building. We all have that comfort in
like the older brother or the older sibling that can
kind of just look after us. Do you think that
there's the possibility that that, you know, Carl Orse Gordon
going into this knowing yes, I realized that she this
is she's had a full season as the primary owner here,

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but she's really going into her first full off season
of decisions and moves. May she actually see Chris Ballard
is kind of the big brother of the comfort familiarity
and a world otherwise unfamiliar that she can kind of
lean on here for another year or so and that
will buy him time.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
But I again, that's gonna be a you're gonna have again.
She's gonna have to understand that that she will be
shouting at the masses who won't be listening to her.
But that's why I don't well, I think she understands
that she won't be driven by the fan base. She
can't be she can't be swayed by well, you know,

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twenty five percent of the fan base. Well bull onely,
that's what we're hearing now, And I understand it is
the very, very loud minority. And it's not a small
minority that's set up with what's going on here. It's
it's it's middle ground. It's it's they're gonna win eight
or nine games again for what the third straight year
under understriking. So I yes, there's that comfort level, but

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that's a dangerous thing to do too, is to say, well,
I'm going to lean on Chris's experts.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
That's no, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm
just saying.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Right, yeah, I guess. But but she's the one thing
that people need to understand. And I'm I know, I'm
not wrong with this. This is not the first year
she's she's had the heavy hand in guiding this team.
It's not you know, Jim wasn't in the best of
health the last couple of years. She's taken on a
much much stronger role. Now Jim always head, you know,

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veto power because it's his team. But I think the
last couple of years, I'm won't go too much farther
than two years. She's had a heavy hand in things.
And that's why when people say, oh, I wonder what
her relationship is gonna be with ballor now that, well,
it's been tight. She's trust him, she's believed in him. Uh,

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it's just going to be does she does? She believe
that he no longer can do the rebuilding of what
of what he's had a hand in not getting done.
That's that's the thing. And when people shout that nine
years is enough, yes it is, Yes it is. And

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but but just to say he's done nothing is wrong.
You know, I'm on board that he's that he's not
been able to get a pass rusher. He hasn't despite
a lot of investment draft capital. I would argue his
best pass rushers have been free agents in Godway and
jessin Houston, Dinko Watfrey. Uh so, I just I just

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in the quarterback thing is something that yes, they get
over the shot after a year or two of luck,
and then then dog gonna get it fixed. And they haven't,
although it looked like they did until Jones got hurt
because I'm telling you they were pretty good. Now, we
could argue the defense is that and the other, but
they were getting their defense together. And oh, by the way,
Mooney Award misses ten games with three concussions. I mean,

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you don't. You can't prepare for that. You lose, you
lose Buckner, who is You're, in my mind, the most
indispensable defensive player. If you told me this past game,
I could have Buckner or a Sauce Carter, I'd take
Buckner as good as Sauce Gardner is. But that's why
I say it's been. But the problem is they they

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they've they've used up their benefit of the doubts that
that's that's the problem. The fan base is, as it
should be, frustrated and has lost tolerance. But all I'm
saying is be careful what you wish for. If you
wish for her to nuke this place, then it's going
to be dark for three or four years.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
It just is it kind of dark for three or
four years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
It's not darkest damn, you know, darkest darks the Jets,
and whether.

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
Whether it's better the Jets have four first round picks
the next two years. The Colts have none.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah, and not that I try. You're right, You're right. Uh,
Cleveland's had a bunch of first round picks over the years,
and what have they done. Yeah, we're arguing margins. Now,
is it better to be eight and nine or three
in fourteen? R? Well, I mean it's a you're in
the same spot, right, Yeah, one's just a little bit
deeper on.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
The pop to each other for the first round, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Right, So but no, it's this is important, and I
hope whatever she does, even if that includes nothing, if
if it's one more time, I hope she addresses it.
I don't know if she will or not. Sometimes you know,
if you're not going to get change, why would you
say you're not going to get change. I think Jimmers

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they put out that missive last year on Sunday Night
that I need to do back there and look exactly
what it said, but that hey, we're rolling them back.
I hope she does, because I think the fan base
needs to hear from her on on why. And of
course if there is a change, I'm sure she will
address address the fan base because this is her team now.

(01:02:30):
Her nurse says, so that I don't dismiss Kayle and Casey,
but Carly is the one that's driving the bus on
the team moves. So I think i'd go as far
as says she owes it to the team, to the
to the fan base, to say this is what we're doing,
and this is why this is my vision of moving
forward and understanding that a lot of people aren't gonna

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be listening to you, because as soon as you say
we're bringing them back, you're gonna say, well, screw you,
I'm done, and they'll be done until they start winning,
winning more, you know, in December when it matters. So
it's going to be fascinating what she does. I could
have argued strong prior to this season that they should

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blow it up. I could. I can't argue quite that
strongly now because I did see I did see good
things at seven and one and eight and two, and
I realized it. It was on a lesser schedule. I
understand them, but they were blowing the doors off people,
so I'm not going to dismiss what they did at all.

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And the schedule got tougher later and they would have
they would have had to bring their A game to
beat team the second half of the season. Anyway except Pittsburgh.
They never win in Pittsburgh. I'll throw that game out.
But to be to be so hamstrung with four or
five he the last half of the season, if you'd

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tell somebody picked these five, four or five guys that
are most important to you, that that's those are the
ones that got hurt, you know, the quarterback and Buck
in the in the in the in the corners, so
in Brandon, in Braden Smiths. So so yeah, it's it's difficult.
And I say, I go back to what I said.

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I hope I hope that Carly comes out and says,
and this is why we're doing whatever we do. I
think the fan base deserves.

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
I just do chap. Let's do it this way. Here,
we're gonna do a little game.

Speaker 7 (01:04:32):
I want you to think about the teams that are
headed to the postseason, both AFC and NFC, and I'm
going to give you three names, and for each name,
I want you to tell me your level of confidence
that they will be returning as a member of the
Indianapolis Colts franchise next year. But the way you're going
to answer it is this. If I said to you,

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for example, you know somebody that there is zero chance
that they are going to Then you would say, you know,
I don't know who you think has zero chance of
the postseason. But in other words, you're ranking the postseason teams. Okay,
And I want you with your answer to tell me
your level of confidence that they're going to return based
on your level of confidence of what it would be

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for one of these.

Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
Teams in the postseason this year. You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Really, you've really complicated things. I could answer that really
given our fifty not so much, NAPO.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
Let's try it, Okay, all right, here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
So your level of confidence that Chris Ballard will return
with the Colts next year is the equivalent of what
team's postseason chances this year in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Oh, I shoot you doing Green Bay?

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Okay? Okay, Shane Steichen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Well, I'll make it easy Philadelphia since he's cut some tizes.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
There, Okay, the forest, but I think he's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Back, Yep, Buckner, Gosh, Buffalo.

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
Because I don't think Buckner Chap. The reason I bring
that up, I think when you talk about, for example,
and I'll just throw the name Chris Ballard out there.
When you throw Chris Ballard's name in there are variables
on either side where you could very soundly make the
discussion as to whether he should or should not be

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here next year. And in the case of DeForest Buckner,
I don't think it's the slam dunk that he returns
and continues his career here that one would assume. I
could see very he could make very sound arguments in
his press conference if he were to retire as to
why he is walking away.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Yeah, I tell you, and I've said this before that
when you always hear the cults throw around like he's
a horseshoe guy, well, Buck's a horseshoe guy. He is.
He's one of those that you build a bear type
of thing. This is what you come up with when
you try to build a cult at Buckner. And he
is played maid through so many injuries, you know, a

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screwed up elbow and ankles. He's left the country twice
to get stim cell injections because that's how bad he
wants to play what he's very good at. But the
last two times that we've talked to him at the
Colts Complex, he just hasn't had that vibrant tone to

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him because he's dealing with a neck injury. You know,
he's got to herny you this in his neck that
can press on a nerve. And he was at the
complex after he first did it, and he said he
couldn't do push ups. So and that's when he was
talking about when it's an injury like this, you're thinking
about long term your life after football. You want to

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be able to play with his whatever. He's got two
or three young kids. And that's the first time that
I can remember that Buck has been like that. And
it very much could be that he's in the midst
of this and it's wearing his butt down. And the
worst time to make a decision is when you're in

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the middle of this. You know what you do is
he's going to have the surgery. Well, I guess this
week is what change psyche and told us. And then
you get away from it, and then you sit down
with the family and say, what do you think you
make that decision, And probably March because he's got a
he's got like a ten million dollar roster bonus. Do

(01:08:24):
I think in March or early in the league year,
so certainly by then. But no, it's not a Slamno
at all. Uh, because when you're dealing with a guy
that's already made over one hundred million dollars and earned
it and earned it, let's not say he just was
you know, he earned it and he's put a body
on the line and he's done great things in his career.

(01:08:47):
But now he doesn't have to do that. It's does
he want to do that? And does he want to
you know know what the risk are?

Speaker 13 (01:08:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
You know, it's one thing to rehab an achilles or
a knee. When you start messing with the back and
the spine and all that that's in your head, you know,
the concussions With Mooney Ward, you're talking you're talking different
level of risk. And I think that he's at the
point with the family all he has to do is

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go home. You know, some of these young kids, God
love him. They go home and they're superman. They're vulnerable.
They're never going to get hurt or they'll come back
when they do. When you go home when you're thirty
something and your kids are running hugging your leg, that
gives you a totally different perspective on your career. He's

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got enough money for his for his great grandkids, so
they won't be a financial decision. It's going to be
whether he is confident. I guess confident the surgeon. How
you have confidence in neck surgery because he gets hit
every play. If he's in the field for forty plays,
he gets smoked forty plays. You're right, I get winded,

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but I think that's I'm with you. I think that's
I wouldn't say fifty to fifty. It's probably a better
chance than that if he comes back, but it's not
a slam best at all, that the forest Bucker comes
back next year.

Speaker 7 (01:10:08):
Okay, Chap end conclusion here Mike Chap on My guest
job a house Peel and poor guest line. Occasionally this
happens with us. We have I don't know what it
is within the computer here where when we're talking to somebody,
their voice kind of gets sped up like they're on
a helium.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
Now we've had fun with us. We have Joel A. Ericsson,
we have different people doing follow the other.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
What's that wait anyway?

Speaker 7 (01:10:30):
I know, but like right now you sound so here's
the thing, Chap you mentioned like build a bear earlier,
and you've got kind of a I'm not gonna lie
to you. Your voice right now, kind of cute. Any
chance we can get you to say, this is Chappy Bear,
give me a hug. Just simply say that this is
Chappy Bearer, Give me a hug. Can we get you
to say that, real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
This is Chappy Bearer, Give me a hug. If me
humiliating myself like that made your day, than fine.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
I'm telling you, Yeah, Chap, we appreciate it as always.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna hear that driving down that
road now, I'm just sitting here.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
No, you're gonna you're gonna hear it. Drip me on
the road. The question is, brother, would it be, Chap?
Just out of curiosity? Would it be a yellow brick road?
Can we get you to say that too?

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
No? No, no, I'm done. I'm done making making an
ass of myself. I do that enough. I do that enough. Anyway,
Why let you walk me into being a bigger ass?
I don't know, but I do.

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
Congratulations, all right, Chat, Happy New Year to you to
you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Me well, all right.

Speaker 7 (01:11:37):
Mike Chapple joining us from CBS four w x I
on Fox fifty nine on the Java House Peeling Port
guest line again. Sometimes when folks are on the hotline
when that happens, it sounds like they're a little sped
up to make a little pep in the step. Now,
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Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
How about them apples? I asked yesterday your thoughts in
what are we now? Through sixteen games sixteen words are feury?

Speaker 7 (01:12:25):
Your thoughts on the Colts twenty twenty five season, and
you folks did not disappoint. I'll read some up next.
You know, I feel like Chappy the Bear's got to
ring to it though, doesn't it?

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
Is it just me?

Speaker 7 (01:12:40):
And it was starting to come back to normal with
the voice thing. EO, but do we have can you
replay that because I want to know if whether or.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
Not that that worked.

Speaker 7 (01:12:52):
Do you happen to have it of him saying and
calling himself Chappy the Bear and asked for a second
because it has to do with and again to recap
for everybody in case. And they've done the engineers who
have done a great job because now and they had
told us that this was going to be the case
when we moved to the new building. There's just a

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ton that goes into it of fiber optics and everything else,
and the stuff was supposed to be all worked itself
out here over the course of this week.

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
And it looks like that's the case.

Speaker 7 (01:13:23):
But every once in a while we do get this
that weird hiccup where it speeds people's voice up, and
we've had fun with it with people Joel a ericson,
do we happen to have any of the others there, Eddie.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I was on like sabbatical pretty much helping out over
the next right round, So I mean I don't have
all those on file. I did get my chapel though.

Speaker 5 (01:13:44):
Here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:13:45):
This is chap as Chappy the Bear from from your
local toy store.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
This is the Chappy bear, give me a huck. If
me humiliating myself like that made your day than fined.

Speaker 7 (01:14:03):
And just moments prior to that, it was even, it
seemed a little bit faster, right, Okay. I asked the question,
sixteen words are fewer, and tell me your thoughts on
the Colts through sixteen games. One person, by the way, said,
quit doing this. Well, I'm just saying I asked the

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question each and every week. If I'm you know, I
can't stop now right just because they're out. I can't
stop now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Cee Jake, You're not like the Colts. You don't disappear
as the season goes.

Speaker 7 (01:14:34):
Along, correct, thank you, Eddie, like the Colts defense that
seemingly the last quarter of each season just falls off
a cliff. I've been a fan since the move to Indy.
Rarely has the future looked as bleak that from who's
your docius, Brent, most disappointing season in a while, least

(01:15:00):
rising season in a while. It's pretty good, Michael says.
My nineteen year old daughter legitimately asked me if the
Colts were ever any good Timothy, good enough to give
you hope, bad enough to let you down just a
yearly eight win team. Jason winning early was fun Manning

(01:15:23):
esque era. Last eight remind us of post Luck era mediocrity.
Barb renewed season tickets before all goes to hell. No
quarterback screwed for decades. Scott, the ownership of this team
has embarrassed the fans long enough time to clean house. Well,

(01:15:45):
you can't clean house on the owners, right, But I
think I get what he's saying there, embarrassed this fan
base by rolling out the same thing sports rock, Shocked
at the start, disappointed at the spiral, expected outcome. Sadly,
we have no hope now around. Indy says this a

(01:16:10):
couple of breaks their way and they could easily have
been twelve and five on the season.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Fair every team can say that. Almost true.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Jacob pointed this out, and this is more than sixteen words,
but he pointed this out. Could you put together a
list of the terrible crap that's happened in the last
eleven years? Luck retiring thirty three point lead, lost seven
to one and not make the playoffs, Hiring an ESPN
personality mid season as coach Anthony Richardson, helmet tap Flacco

(01:16:45):
back up, best chance to win to bench him two
games later. Anything else, I mean, yeah, I guess bringing
in a high school football coach to play for a
couple of games. I'm and I thought Rivers. I mean, look,
I'm not here to bang on Philip Rivers. I think
that he and I get also the cults circumstance. But

(01:17:05):
at this point, and I said it yesterday somewhat rhetorically,
somewhat rhetorically yesterday I mentioned why, now that they have
been eliminated, what is the reason to start Philip Rivers? Okay,
I get it. You want to win your season finale

(01:17:25):
at home. You want to you owe it to guys
on the roster. Okay, But Philip Rivers yesterday on the field,
and Philip Rivers Sunday in Houston, does you zero zero, zero, none,

(01:17:47):
not a zip zilch good towards your future.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
And less and less your future is.

Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
That you bring him back for a Kerry Collins three
to four games. That Collins was so bad that it
was a one game deal. But you get what I'm saying.
I'm gonna go back to what I said earlier, and
I'm not saying I think this is going to happen,
but I think it's more plausible than you would assume.

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Anthony Richardson. I don't need to sit here and recap
for all of you the saga of Anthony Richardson. You
all know it. You all know the Ballad of Anthony
Richardson by now. You know every word of the song.
And when it speeds up, when it gets really good,
and then when it slows back down again, it's like
American pie, you know. And it's this long saga. But

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if Anthony Richardson next year shows up in Westfield and
Shane Stikeen says, or whoever is coaching the Colts, let's
say Shane Stikeen and Shane Steiken says, you know what,
Daniel Jones, he had a good off season. You know,

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he fall like crazy. He's fight like he's a horseshoe, guys,
fight's like crazy. You know, he's got so Daniel, you know,
like what he did, got things cleaned up in the
off season, went in, had some surgery, got some things
cleaned up, and fall like crazy. And we're we're optimistic,
we're helpful, you know, we're hopeful, and we saw what
he was able to do last year and he's our quarterback.
And that's assuming by the way that Daniel Jones has

(01:19:27):
been resigned. Okay, so Daniel Jones goes through. Everything looks fine,
the leg, the fibula, heels, the achilles heels, and because
he's had to be off his leg, everything's really in
good shape and he's good to go and he's where
he needs to be in the process through through OTA's

(01:19:48):
and whatever else. But when they show up in Westfield,
Shane Steichen, Chris balladerd if he's still here, they say,
we're very comfortable with him. But doctors say, we need
to scale it back a little bit until probably early
September before we get him going at one hundred percent.

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And we don't want to put a quarterback out there
in week one that we have to scale back at
less than one hundred percent of physically what they're able
to do. And so therefore we are not going to
probably start him and get him going in full everyday
reps for the first two to three weeks of the season,
say even starts on Pump. In that scenario, you could

(01:20:35):
start Riley Leonard if you feel that he gives you
a chance to win games, and games are really important
when just for example, they still count towards the playoffs.
The Colts had a game that had no meaning towards
their playoffs. The Colts had a game that, realistically, all

(01:20:59):
it meant was it made him feel good about themselves
in front of the home fans for the last time.
It's very important. We want to make sure that our
fans feel good. A lot of Christmas gifts being given
out in the game, so we want to make sure
they all feel good. And in that Cinario, they didn't
trust Ryder Leonard. So are we to believe that that
means that they're going to trust him enough to go

(01:21:20):
out there and take over the team and man the
ship when it matters.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
I think it's a little bit different, Jake, when you
prepare all week with Rivers starting and taking every rep.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
Okay, let me ask you this.

Speaker 7 (01:21:33):
They went into Seattle, who was the number one seed
in the NFC, in a game when it still mattered
for them, and Philip Rivers joined the team on Thursday.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
He started. Yep, did he work reps all week?

Speaker 13 (01:21:46):
Ah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Yes, they split.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
So he didn't take all the reps.

Speaker 7 (01:21:51):
No, So they felt confident with a forty four year
old guy who was coaching high school football. Three weeks
earlier without having taken all the reps to go into
a game that had playoff implication for them against the
number one seed on the road. But they didn't feel
confident with a guy who's been on their roster in
their room, in their film rooms at every practice all
season long because he didn't take the reps during practice.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
That's simply my point.

Speaker 7 (01:22:15):
Now, Anthony Richardson, they could say, if he's back next
year and he's under contract, they could have Anthony Richardson
be their starter until Daniel Jones is ready to go.
But that is a much more convoluted handoff because what
if Richardson plays really well? Are you creating for yourself
there a quarterback quarterback controversy? So is there the possibility

(01:22:38):
that Philip Rivers actually is a guy that you're going
to go back to one more time to ask him
to be the good soldier here and do you a
solid next year. I mean it's probably a five percent chance,
but I don't think it's zero.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:22:55):
Now, speaking of chances, speaking of percentages, there is a
number in terms of percentage that is skyrocketing.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
That may.

Speaker 7 (01:23:07):
Increase the odds that Indiana University plays in Atlanta in
the peach Bowl. There's something happening and developing before us
that might be benefit Indiana. I'll tell you next. Great song,
great song, and speaking of all the places that Tom

(01:23:33):
Petty sings about in this song. Even though I realized
free falling is what the Colts were doing the last
couple of months of the year, somebody pointed out to me,
fabulous point, Jake. I know they're called the Colts. Can
we call them actually the quarter horses?

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:23:48):
Good, until the last quarter of the season, Horses, the
Colts right the way it's been the last couple of years. Eddie,
if you could please look for me at the calendar
before you, and let's recap for everybody what's coming up
on this radio station over the next couple of days.
For example, special edition of Inside IU Football tomorrow night

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at seven o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
YEP, seven o five. It'll feature Don Fisher, Kurt Signetti,
Scott Dolson, a handful of players from IU. That will
be tomorrow night, seven o five right here on the
fan tonight. Of course, we've got pacers in the Houston
Rockets pregame covered with Pat Boiling at seven thirty. Before that,
from six to seven Colts Roundtable Live. Matt Taylor, Shane

(01:24:34):
Steichen will be on the show, Joe Wrights, Rick Van Turrey,
as well Pacers and Orlando Magic on Wednesday pregame starting
at two thirty, so an abbreviated show for you Jake
Noon until two thirty on Wednesday. No GMV on Wednesday
as well, we will carry the Cotton Bowl Wednesday night
between Miami and Ohio State. That coverage on the fan

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will start at seven o'clock, and of course you can
listen to IU on the fan as well. Against Alabama
in the Rose Bull, Don Fisher, John Herrick and Buck
Sewer will have pregame coverage starting at three o'clock. That
coverage will last for about four to five hours on
the fan. Then then after that game, right here on
the fan, we will have the Ole Miss and Georgia

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game in the Sugar Bowls. That's Thursday on New Year's Day.
On Friday the second, all of us should be back
for shows, so that's good to know. JMV will be
live from Rolston's and then Cole Tappiaur will take place
from five thirty to six thirty. Victor wimbin Yama makes
his debut of this season at gamebridge Fieldhouse Friday night,

(01:25:39):
six thirty pregame coverage, seven o'clock, tip on the fan.

Speaker 7 (01:25:42):
Okay, so Thursday you mentioned the Rose Bowl, correct, Yes,
three o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
That is when pregame coverage will start. Yes, kick at four.

Speaker 7 (01:25:54):
So the forecast for Pasadena, California. And here are my
tips for you if you're going to the Rose Bowl.
Number one, and I'm not kidding, you buy some sort
of a seat cushion because when when I was at
the Rose Bowl, which is an unbelievably and I am

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thrilled for Indiana fans and anybody that's able to go
to that venue in one of the most beautiful parts
of the country and watch a gay awesome. Everything about
it awesome. But the Rose Bowl seats ninety thousand. It's
a venue that when you're sitting in it, you think
to yourself, this probably holds fifty fifty five. And that's

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because it is the most compact packed in place ever.
Take a seat cushion or something to make your seat comfortable,
because they're just like hard plastic seats almost like it's
Ross eight is similar, but that's benches. If you go
up higher up in ross Aid also take and my

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tip here is this. Have you ever heard of frog
dog's eddie?

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:27:08):
Yes, frog talk for the most unbelievable invention known to man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
I've had a frog tog since I was like ten.

Speaker 7 (01:27:15):
Nineteen ninety nine. I think usually they cost you can
buy it. You buy him at like Walmart, Meyer or whatever.
I discovered frog dogs years ago when we were doing
an IndyCar race in Watkins, Glenn and it was literally
a torrential downpour. I went to the Walmart and like
you know, Corning, New York and asked, and they're like, oh, here,
right here, it's basically fisherman's gear, but or fisher woman's gear.

Speaker 11 (01:27:38):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:27:38):
But it is like a paper thin pant and jacket
combo that goes at a little pouch and it is
literally water. It's unbelievable, perfect, perfect for Pasadena because one
hundred percent chance of rain in Pasadena, California on New

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Year's Day.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Now this alone.

Speaker 7 (01:28:01):
I know that they just sold the power ball for
one point eight billion and some guy in Arkansas or Gallon,
Arkansas won it, Okay, but this is like winning the
lottery to an extent. On the other end, of things
because Pasadena, California, I'm guessing, has rain out days like
seven times a year. One hundred percent chance of rain

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in Pasadena. But wait to quote Lee Corso not so fast,
my friends oftentimes, and you've all been bit by this
now when you look at your phone and you look
at the county and you look at it and you go, oh,
it's a one hundred percent chance of rain on Wednesday. Well,
what that doesn't tell you is the rain happens between
midnight and twelve twenty am. So yes, technically that's on

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that day and it rained, right, that's kind of what's
in play here. But it looks like it is going
to rain in Pasadena literally from New Year's Eve at
midnight all the way through tapering off towards late in
the evening on New Year's Day. But at the time

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that the game kicks off in California, you're basically looking
at already having rained all day and still a forty
percent chance that it's going to be raining over the
course of the game. This is actually a huge potential
benefit for Indiana, not that they need many of them,

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because I think Indiana is better than Alabama. Certainly Indiana
gives you a better understanding of who they are than Alabama.
But Alabama when playing at their best, when Alabama is
clicking like they were for the second half against Oklahoma,
is still very very good. But they don't run the

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ball well. And Alabama's strength is in their speed, their separation,
and their space.

Speaker 5 (01:30:00):
And you get into.

Speaker 7 (01:30:02):
Mud slop with rain continuing to pour down, You're gonna
have to run the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
You're gonna have to.

Speaker 7 (01:30:08):
Move the football between the tackles, You're gonna have to
win the line of scrimmage, and that would be advantage Indiana.
Indiana's front four is their strength defensively. I mean they
obviously have like in ponds, I mean, they've got very
good defensive backs, but they are very nasty and aggressive upfront.

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In Alabama's weakness offensively has been running between the tackles
and moving the football. That is absolutely advantage Indiana, and
I hope people that go out. I haven't looked at
the forecast. I think most people probably are going out
a couple of days early to enjoy southern California Again.

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I have been to the Rose Bowl as a venue
numerous times. I've driven past it a billion in times
and I have been inside the venue for one event,
and it was a concert, not a sporting event. It
is an amazing place in an amazing part of the

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country that is absolutely beautiful. And the one thing that
I feel bad for fans that are going is the
real magic of the Rose Bowl is seeing that unbelievable
sunset just on the outside of the stadium. You know,
as you look outside the stadium. I mean, it's the
most majestic. It's incredible. It's why the Rose Bowl as

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a television event is the granddaddy of mal and I
hope that there is some way to be able to
see or experience that, even if the weather is not
going to be ideal. But advantage Indiana in that regard. Now,
Miami in Ohio State, you'll hear on this radio station
Wednesday at seven, that game is not going to be

(01:31:56):
close as it Eddie those at Ohio State when that
going away, Eddie is staring at the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
I would assume so, but you never know. In these games.
Take Miami any time off. Miami is the fresher team.

Speaker 5 (01:32:14):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
I think they have a really good defense too, so.

Speaker 7 (01:32:19):
But I think my my I would say concern with
Ohio State just because I don't like them. But my
thought on Ohio State is that and this is probably
totally unfair and it's probably dismissive or disrespectful to Indiana

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because I think I think, without question, the two best
teams in college football are Indiana and Ohio State. They're
ranked one and two. I get it, no, but I'm
saying I think they are in a Georgia's right there, though.
I think Georgia Ohio State is the real Assuming that
matchup comes to fruition, that will be a fascinating game

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because Georgia George is really really good. That's probably a
fifty to fifty game. But I hope that we're not
going to find out that Ryan Day was playing it
conservative throughout the course of the season, and now that
the postseason is here, is when they say, all right, boys,

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you know it goes back to And I'm not saying
this the case with I don't know. I'm just saying
it's my worry. Secretariat. In the seventy three Belmont Secretariat
had already won the Kentucky Derby with the fastest time
in the history of Churchill Downs. Secretariat had already won

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the Preakness in the fastest time in the history at
that point of the Preakness, and Secretary goes into the Belmont,
and Sham was still right there, somebody that can contend
with Secretariat. And Sham had been the runner up in
the second fastest running of the Kentucky Derby of all time,

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and going into the Belmont, nobody knew exactly what was
going to happen. Were they going to was Ronnie Turcott
going to be given specific instruction on how to go
against Sham? Was Sham going to be told specific instruction
from the writer's standpoint how to handle Secretariat? And they
told Ronnie Turcott, letter Rip, don't even worry about Sham.

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Sham's instruction is going to be to run alongside Secretary
in the beginning, try to wear them out, fall back
a little bit, and then make a late push. And
they said to Ronnie Turcott, you know what here it
is the last leg of the Belmont, the last leg
of the Triple Crown in the Belmont.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
Let's go for it.

Speaker 7 (01:34:46):
And they came out of turn number one and Secretariat
pulled away, and before you know it, he was moving
like a tremendous machine. And I wonder if Ohio State
is not the same where Ryan Day is going to say, Okay,
now we're in the final leg, let's go. Because they
didn't have Jeremiah Smith on the field for what eight
third down plays against Indiana Tate. Also, they very rarely

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lined both of them up on the field at the
same time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Well, I know both of them had been dealing with
injuries later and.

Speaker 7 (01:35:12):
For sure, I mean they were just coming back off
of it, right, yeah, And that that's my one concern.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Also, don't want to be that guy, Jake, but they
missed a gimme fielgal and had a turnover on downs
that you normally don't see with the quarterbacks knee just
going down on a QB sneak.

Speaker 7 (01:35:30):
Why the timing for the Colts maybe now I'll explain
next In Brian Nubert bottom of the hour.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
It's Querry in company. I'm going to be keeping your
company for the next few hours. You are not going
to believe the company, this company. You're going to bankrupt
your mama's company.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
At least I have the radio to keep me company.

Speaker 4 (01:35:48):
On ninety three to five and one oh seven five,
the fan backing the throw with Lawrence Colts bring pressure
Lawrence out of the pocket upfield at the five bearing left,
and he's gonna scamp Rent for a touchdown. Lawrence correct snaps.
I go to take off and run at skipper into
the end zone for a touchdown. He's got two rushing
touchdowns today. Motion out to the left side, including downs
Warren and Michael Pittman.

Speaker 7 (01:36:09):
Jude.

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
They're blitzing Rivers.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Throws that way intercepted thirty twenty five twenty yard line
of being stopped. Right there is Jerry and Jones prevent
defense by Jacksonville. They're going to rush five back, gonna
throw as Leonard steps away from trouble. Throws downfield, It's got.

Speaker 5 (01:36:24):
Enough air on it into the end zone and it is.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
Intercepted by Jacksonville at the eye in Indianapolis in the
end zone. Twenty three to seventeen is the final score
and the Colts losing skid now has reached six games.

Speaker 6 (01:36:38):
Guys fought like crazy. I thought our guys battled like crazy.
At the end of the day wasn't enough. But I
thought defense, you know, got some turnovers, some stops, special teams, dueling,
We had some big returns, you know, set our offense,
up field position. At the end of the day, we
didn't make enough place. Obviously, there are circumstances that are
uncontrollable some things, but there are controllable things that you
can control, and you've got to fight and find ways

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to win tight games. That's what this league is. We
have done a good enough job of that, and that
starts with me. We gotta find ways to win tight games.

Speaker 7 (01:37:04):
That's how it sounded yesterday Matt Taylor, Rick Venturi on
the call for the Colts Radio Network Shane Steiken postgame,
and then those words from Lafayette's Axel Rose, where do
we go?

Speaker 5 (01:37:16):
Now?

Speaker 7 (01:37:18):
Where do you go from here? Good afternoon to you
if you are just joining us on the program or
thank you for listening now we do, in fact, this
is quarying company here on ninety three five one oh
seven five the fan on.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
This backhanded compliment?

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Is it like a backhanded compliment? Which one's that like,
where have you been? But thank you for listening now?

Speaker 7 (01:37:38):
Well, no, it's just saying that we are appreciative of
any ear that we can get.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
I didn't know if that was like a backhanded compliment.

Speaker 5 (01:37:46):
We will take any listener that we can get on
this project.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
That shirt makes you look a little pudgy, but I
think that color looks great on you. This shirt makes
me the pudgy. No, I'm just saying that's what it
feels like to me.

Speaker 7 (01:37:57):
Okay, fair enough, don't it's a backhanded compliment. I think
it's a nudge of simply, you know, where have you been?

Speaker 5 (01:38:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
You know we've been here since noon? So why have
you even listening?

Speaker 7 (01:38:08):
Yeah? People have things to do, like for example, Jim
who I met over the weekend that listens while he's
at the Jordan Why and his wife Peggy. Great dude,
super nice guy. Appreciated talking to people over the weekend,
especially yesterday at our Jack Daniels and bud Light Ultimate
tailgate out in front of the Slippery Noodle. Talked to

(01:38:30):
Greg there Leanne and one of the things that everyone asked,
where do they go from here? And here's my answer.
There are two ways that I can answer that question.
The first would be to say what I think they
should do, and the other would be to say what

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I think they will do. And the reality is I
don't know the answer to the second of that, I
don't know definitively what the process is going to be
in terms of the direction of the Colts. But I'm
going to tell you what I think it should be,
and what it should be for me is irrelevant in
terms of the thought process of the Colts. I'm not

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arrogant enough to think that the opinions, the guidance, the
projections of a radio host are going to influence the
decisions made by the ownership group, of the general manager,
of the front office, the brass of an NFL organization.
But I think I speak for Colts fans in saying this,

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and I'm going to say it the way I mentioned
it earlier. I know sometimes it gets a little bit tiresome,
maybe even irresponsible, to tie in one sports franchise in
a town to another. I know that in this town
we have had times where the Pacers and Colts have

(01:39:58):
been clicking on all cylinder simultaneously. But more often than not,
we have one franchise that that's doing really well while
the other one is struggling, and there might be some
competition in terms of motivation between the two franchises. I
know they play well in the sandbox, and they root

(01:40:18):
for each other, and they post things publicly in support,
but deep down they have to be They're competing for
the same competitive dollar to a great extent, so they
have to at times probably want to be the one
that gets to sit at the head of the table
in this market. And when it comes to the Colts
and where they are right now, and they're plot in

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things and their lot in life and their placement within
this market and where they go from here, I found
myself yesterday sitting and watching. And I found myself sitting
in Gamebridge Field House in early June, and.

Speaker 5 (01:40:55):
I know, what, what are you talking about? Dude?

Speaker 7 (01:40:58):
We're talking about the Colts losing to the Jacksonville Jaguars.
We're talking about a team that started seven to one
and was sitting at eight and two, and now they're
eight to eight and they're out of the playoffs. And
they knew they were out of the playoffs when the
Houston defense continue to make plays against Justin Herbert on
Saturday night. And you're talking about something that happened at
a basketball arena in the summer. Yes, I am, And
let me explain why I sat there and I watched

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the Indiana Pacers four quarters away. I watched in what
was one of the most electric and great moments and
evenings of my life. Game six and I'm blessed to
have been there, like many of you. Game six in
Gambridge Field House. I watched it, and I watched the celebration,
knowing that the Indiana Pacers were getting ready to go

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on the road for one game. They were one game
from an NBA title, And I thought about February of
twenty twenty two, when the Pacers, who had for three
straight years been playing beyond the regular season, they had
been a nine in that weird like play in game thing.

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They'd been a five seed. They'd been a four seed
playing a system that they believed in of Sibonis and
Turner and the double big Man combo. And in February
of twenty twenty two, we all got the push alert.
Domas Sabonis had been traded. He'd been traded for Buddy

(01:42:24):
Healed and Tyrese Haliburton and Domas Sabonis and Turner. Sabonis
had that combo which had not been disastrous.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
In Jeremy Lamb in Justin Halliday don't forget about them.

Speaker 7 (01:42:35):
Correct, but that combo had not been disastrous, And Justin
Hollo they had been a good player. Jeremy Lamb was
kind of a dal Jones. But the Pacers found themselves
stuck in a mediocrity. They found themselves stuck in an

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area in a ceiling. They couldn't break through. Those are
good players that you mentioned, nice role players justin Holiday,
nice role player. Domas sobonis fabulous talent, very good player.
But the Pacers decided that there was no perfect time
to make seismic change. You can't sit around and wait

(01:43:18):
for it. Sometimes, I mentioned earlier, everybody has been in
that relationship where you see two people I'm not even
gonna say a relationship you've been in, but you see
your two friends that are dating, and you know, it's
just kind of stale. It just seems like it's run
its course. And they're really good friends and they're good people,
but they just don't seem to be a match, and
it's like, do you think they'll ever break up? Well,
it's funny you mentioned that Tim had mentioned to me

(01:43:39):
that he was thinking about it, but it was like
three weeks before Valentine's Day. The timing just wasn't right.
So they kind of just continued on, went through the
motions and then Sally actually mentioned that she was thinking
about breaking up with Tim, but Tim's dog didn't feel
well and he had to keep taking him to the vet.

Speaker 5 (01:43:55):
And it was an emotional time.

Speaker 7 (01:43:57):
Timing wasn't right, and then that led right up to
they were going to do it again, but it was
it was actually Tim and Sally their birthdays are a
week apart, and they were right there. And so just
there's never the perfect time.

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
Never. You don't sit around and wait for it.

Speaker 7 (01:44:11):
Sometimes you got to be proactive, not reactive, but proactive.
In the Indiana Pacers in February of twenty twenty two,
realized they were stuck in a vat of mediocrity and
they seismically blew it up and they made the time
for them to be the perfect time. And then they
came and said, we're gonna need you to understand that
we don't know if it's going to be perfect, but

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we're asking you for the time and the understanding that
we're trying to get this right. And they went out
and they held a press conference where they said we're
going to be bad for a while because we're totally
rebuilding this thing. And I sat there in Gambridge Field
house in June watching the Indiana Pacers destroy Oklahoma City

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in a finals game, four quarters from winning an NBA title,
and I thought to myself in February of twenty twenty two,
no one knew this is where it could go. But
the first step towards getting here was understanding that sometimes
what is imperfect can be made perfect if you take
the first step and you realize that you have to

(01:45:17):
make it. The timing of yours now, Shane Steiken after
the game, Eddie, we played this earlier. Let's listen to
Shane Steike and talk about the things that his team
did correctly yesterday in that game, knowing that they were
going in in a game that didn't matter towards their

(01:45:37):
playoff fate. Shane Steiken knew that they were going in
in a game that didn't matter towards their postseason, but
nonetheless he critiqued afterwards the way that they played in
the approach they took.

Speaker 6 (01:45:48):
Well, I think our guys are professionals to understood, you know,
going in the game, what the situation was, and you
know what we signed up for seventeen of these things,
and it's our job to go out and fight like
crazy to go give our best effort. And I thought,
our guys, you know, played hard today and fought like crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:46:02):
You just felt short, fight like crazy, fought like crazy,
And you know what is crazy? On a side note,
doing the same thing over and over and expecting them
miraculously it's going to be different, and waiting for the
perfect time to make that change, or waiting for it
to just find perfection on its own. Now, if you

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look at the history of the Colts, Carol Rosenbloom owned
the Baltimore Colts and when he owned the Baltimore Colts,
they had a record of one hundred and fifty four
wins and ninety losses. That was their record at the
time that the franchise was swapped with Bob er Say,
who had just bought the Rams, and Bob er Say

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took over as the owner of the Baltimore Colts later
to become the Indianapolis Colts, and in the ownership of
Bob er Say, the franchise was one hundred and fifty
three two hundred and twenty six and one and then
upon Bob's passing, Jim Mersey took over as the owner
and during his tenure as the owner, during his time

(01:47:09):
two hundred and fifty seven one hundred ninety four and
one vastly improved part of that though, due to the
fact that Bill Pullian, a stable long term died in
the Woolf football Man and Peyton Manning Let's not forget

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leading into Andrew luck. Without Bill Pullian. The Colts record
one hundred and eleven one hundred and one under Jim irsay,
one hundred eleven, one hundred and one overall totality of
the Urs family ownership four hundred and ten wins, four

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hundred and twenty losses, two ties. What that comes down
to is, on average eight or nine wins a year
eight and eight, seven to nine, nine and seven. Right
in there the vat of mediocrity if you take out
realistically the Peyton Manning and the Andrew Lack era, the

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vat of mediocrity not terrible, not terrible, and Jim or
say philanthropic football man. No question, none of this is
an indictment on anybody in terms of their character, but
rather to say, sometimes the definition of crazy is doing

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the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Speaker 5 (01:48:37):
And the Colts the.

Speaker 7 (01:48:37):
One thing they've done over and over under Chris Ballard
is been reactive as opposed to proactive. They have more
often than not waited to make decision instead of creating
their own perfect time, or had to make a decision
to make up for the wrong one. Chris Ballard's first

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big job was to hire a coach. Hired Josh McDaniels,
made it announced, announced it out there, let it be
known to the world. Before the man had signed a
contract that bound him as the head coach. He changes
his mind egg on face Jim Mersey says, Frank Reich's

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somebody I'm familiar with.

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
Boom.

Speaker 7 (01:49:21):
Now, all of a sudden you have Frank Reich and
Chris Ballard is dealing with a coach that was not
his primary pick. The quarterback situation. Yes, I know Andrew
Luck retired. I don't know if anybody heard that or
not bad timing. You knew it wasn't bad timing for
Andrew Luck because Andrew Luck decided that the timing then
was perfect for him to go into the next phase

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of his life.

Speaker 5 (01:49:44):
He made his own timing. He was proactive, not reactive.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
He gave him a nice twenty four million dollar parting gift.

Speaker 7 (01:49:50):
Correct, But Andrew Luck made the timing.

Speaker 5 (01:49:56):
That was best for him. People didn't like it around here.

Speaker 7 (01:49:59):
But the Colts then had to go out and find
a franchise quarterback, and they kept delaying that decision. Ultimately
went with Carson Wentz. Guess what owner didn't like him?
Bad hire back to kicking the can back to veteran quarterbacks,
and then ultimately settled on Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 5 (01:50:21):
And what did you have after that?

Speaker 7 (01:50:24):
Having to go then and again be reactive and have
to overcorrect on a decision that probably was not the
right one.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
And even still they weren't proactive enough to trade up
to get the guy that may have wanted correct who's
now in Houston.

Speaker 5 (01:50:40):
And c J.

Speaker 7 (01:50:41):
Stroud, who clearly, I think at the time in that
draft process you could see Frank Reich, who was in Carolina,
wanted c J.

Speaker 5 (01:50:49):
Stroud.

Speaker 7 (01:50:49):
They ended up with Bryce Young whole different talk show.
But nonetheless, as I was watching that game yesterday, and
I thought, the Colts did play well, and they fought hard,
like crazy, They fought like crazy, and I thought, of
course they did, because now it doesn't matter, because this
era of Colts football has routinely been making it count.

(01:51:13):
Once it doesn't count anymore. They have been reacting to
something that has already escaped them because they weren't proactive
when it mattered most. And I don't know Chris Ballard personally.
I have interviewed him. I found him engaging at times.
I found him smug at times. I found him confident

(01:51:35):
at times. I found him insecure more times than not.
Do I think he knows football? Of course? Do I
think he's forgotten more football than I know? Probably? Do
I think that there are areas where he knows the
game and can scout the game and understands the game?

Speaker 5 (01:51:54):
Of course? Do I think he has more often than
not aired in the draft? Yes? I think that he
has built them depth in the trenches.

Speaker 9 (01:52:02):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:52:03):
Do I think that he has brought them a pass rush? Ever?

Speaker 13 (01:52:06):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:52:08):
Do I think that he continues to chase the quarterback
situation and try to find stability. Yes, and yes they
had injury this year. I get it. But for what
reason if you bring back Chris Ballard after a season that,

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at very best is going to be nine and eight?
For what reason if you bring back Chris Ballard at
nine and eight? Where Yes, not his fault that Daniel
Jones is coming off injury. Now you've got to figure
out whether or not you can even resign Daniel Jones,
and if you do, when he's going to be ready

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to go, and who is backup's going to be if
he's not ready to go, and who you can have
at the backup position. That's not some sort of a
sticky situation in terms of the handoff and the passing
of the baton from one quarterback to the neck. And
you don't have, lest I remind you, a first round
pick in each of the next two drafts. What about

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doing that all over again and waiting for the perfect scenario.
Daniel Jones is ready to go Week one, your roster
is back. You don't know about DeForest Buckner at this point.
What about any of that, though, based on the previous
nine years, leads you to believe that it's going to
be anything other than the same thing over and over,

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which is the definition of crazy, which at least, at
the very least is the way they fought yesterday. What
about it leads you to believe what level of evidence?
When Bill Pollian very famously or infamously on a radio
program that jamb was manning on this in this market,

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not this radio station got into an argument with Jay
Moore about Drin James, and Bill Pollion said, you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:58):
Don't have a shred of evidence.

Speaker 7 (01:54:01):
What part of next season suddenly going in the direction
with all of the right moves and everything being as
it should be right now, that they are going to
ascend themselves back into the upper stratosphere of the NFL
where they can stay for long term. What shred of
evidence do you have to indicate that it is very

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difficult to find. None of this is personal, but it's factual,
and the facts indicate that there's never a perfect time
to make seismic change. But the Colts continue to play

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with Turner and Sibonis. And I don't know that their
Tyres Halliburton is out there somewhere. Maybe it's Daniel Jones,
But right now, the Tyree's Halliburton that this franchise for
the Colts needs is not as the floor general, but
as the boardroom general. Because they need a new juice

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of life, they need a new perspective, they need a
new direction, and now that's what I think needs to happen.
It is not my desire nor anybody in this field
to pine for someone to be unemployed.

Speaker 5 (01:55:31):
It's not Chris battle to be fine.

Speaker 7 (01:55:35):
He's made a lot of money and he'll find another
job elsewhere. It's not like he's going to be unemployed forever.
But simply for the sake of the franchise, the fan base,
and this team, it is my belief that that's the

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change that needs to be made.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
It is also my belief that that likely won't happen.

Speaker 7 (01:56:04):
Because I don't know Carli Ersa Gordon at all at all,
don't know her at all.

Speaker 5 (01:56:16):
I don't know that Stephen Holder knows her.

Speaker 7 (01:56:19):
I don't know that Mike Chappel knows her. I don't
know that Joel A. Erickson knows her. Because she is
essentially in her first year as the primary owner. Yes,
I understand she was very involved, especially in the later
years of Jim Mersey. I understand and respect all of that.
You know who does know her, Chris Ballard. You know

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who does know her, Shane Steichen. So Carli Ersa Gordon
would have much more knowledge about what those men mean
to the direction of the franchise than what I or
what she wants to see than I would, one would hope,

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and I think the vast majority I will respectfully disagree
with Mike Chaplin this regard. The people that want Chris
Ballard out are not alled allowed minority. I think they
are the overwhelming majority of Colts fans. I think the
overwhelming majority of Colts fans have seen enough. But I

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also understand that Carli Ersa Gordon is still, by the
standard of it all, new to the ownership position. And
I also understand and totally respect if, in fact that
allows her to feel a comfort with familiarity and familiarity
of the people around her, and that while she is

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still navigating her way through being an owner and making
changes in all of those things, she may well say. Look,
when this team was healthy, we were talking about how
they had as good a roster as anybody in the league.
When this team was healthy, we were talking about historic
precedent in terms of offensive efficiency. When this team was healthy,

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we were talking about a quarterback and a running back
that were in the conversation for Most Valuable Player. And
when this team was healthy, I saw a trade being
made for a cornerback that is young that we thought
was the final piece, and letting us contend for a
Super Bowl trophy, and all of those cases and points
being made have merit. They are not inaccurate. They are not.

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And what I don't know, nor does anybody from here
to the man in the moon know, is whether or
not those thoughts are long term valid. All I know
is this, sometimes in life you have to look at precedent,
and oftentimes success in life is found not in chasing

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the exception to the rule, but following the guidelines of
the rules themselves, and the guidelines of the rules under
the tenure of Chris Ballard with the Indianapolis Colts is
in fact being stuck in that vat of Turner and Sibonis,
and that's where they are, and that's why I believe
they should make a change philosophically. But I'm not the

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one over there on West fifty sixth Street that is
making those decisions. And I respect because there is, in fact,
if you were giving this as a high school debate class,
there is in fact a very sound argument that you
could align for kids on both sides of the classroom,
on both sides of it. But people asked me what

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I thought they should do. That's what I think they
should do. People ask me what I thought they will do.
And as of right now on this the and I
can never remember if today's the twenty eight, twenty nine, thirtieth,
whatever it might be. I think today's the twenty ninth.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
It's the last Monday of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 7 (02:00:04):
Thank you on this the last Monday of twenty twenty five.
That's where I think things stand.

Speaker 5 (02:00:09):
Now.

Speaker 7 (02:00:10):
Another thing when it comes to seismic change, no perfect
timing for seismic change. There are winds of change sweeping
through college basketball. Brian Nubert watches Perdue, who might be
one of them that is standing as the old guard
as this wind of change takes place. But I wanted

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to have Nubert on not only to talk about Perdue,
who's got Kent State tonight, but also to talk about
the change in the evolution of college Basketbaok is written
because he has written about it on Golden Black, and
he's going to join us next. By the way, this
from Corey really good point. Corey says Jake, I always

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chalk up the Ballard Colts era to Jeff Saturday was
at one point point head coach. I'm still waiting for
the Richardsons, Quitty Pays and Leatus to wow me. Andy
brought in a forty four year old quarterback out of
a four year retirement to try to save the season.

Speaker 5 (02:01:10):
He's got to go that.

Speaker 7 (02:01:11):
According to our buddy Corey elliott Well said, listen again,
none of it is like some sort of a personal thing.
I just think that eventually you've got to look at
the body of work and say, how many times are
we going to say, yeah, but one more run, just
one more time. Eventually you've got to just basically say,

(02:01:33):
you know what, I'm not going to wait for the
perfect time. That music should have told you everything you
need to know about. Our next guest Brian Nubert, who
joins us on the Java House Peel and poor guest line.
Java house dot com is the website Jake twenty five.
You get twenty five percent off for your appeal in
poor Pods and Brian had a really good article at
Golden Black.

Speaker 5 (02:01:53):
As we've talked about.

Speaker 7 (02:01:55):
The world of college basketball and the ever kind of
like yesterday to today, sweeping wind that comes in and
changes everything weekly word college basketball, ringers, Purdue football and basketball,
and more from Brian Nubert, who joins us on the show. Brian,
when I saw the column, I saw right there the
picture of Scott Drew and I knew exactly what it

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was about. We have entered into the wild wild West,
have we not.

Speaker 12 (02:02:22):
I think they answered into that a long time ago,
but I think they have transcended it now by basically
taking all the rules that were already there that they
complain about, and then just blowing them all up. So
coaches have no one to blame but themselves. They have
to be the ones to just not do this. Show
some restraint here and there. Don't blame don't blame the

(02:02:43):
rules that your presidents and your athletic directors wrote. Blame yourselves, Like,
stop doing it. If you think it might not be
good for college basketball to go sign a draft pick
just because you can and not should, just don't do it,
you know, because now there's all kinds of precedent established here,
all sorts of other loopholes that have been created by

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this one loophole hunting coach who I used to feel
bad for because BYU signed or bought away his best
player last spring, But now you know it's he just
he just damaged the game. I know people will say
coaches have to do what they have to do to win,
but these guys also signed up to be college basketball

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coaches and they get paid very well to do it,
and that's all they care about is protecting that.

Speaker 5 (02:03:31):
So if this James Nagy.

Speaker 12 (02:03:33):
Situation creates stuff like this to come, then you know,
the soul of college basketball is compromised.

Speaker 7 (02:03:40):
And for those unfamiliar, I can't imagine there are those.
But for those unfamiliar, what we're talking about is players
now that have been on a two way contract in
the NBA that are now eligible or deemed to be
eligible Scott Drew signing or you know, going out and
recruiting one for Baylor.

Speaker 5 (02:03:57):
We're seeing more.

Speaker 7 (02:03:58):
There's a player that just played, I think, in an
NBA game that has opened up recruiting from a college standpoint.
Brian I flippantly posted this yesterday and I want your.

Speaker 5 (02:04:09):
Reaction to it.

Speaker 7 (02:04:10):
But I've mentioned this casually over the last probably five years.
But I jokingly said, the twenty thirty thirty one NBA
G League Alabama Crimson Tied, Arkansas Razorbacks, Baylor Bears, Ignite,
IMG Academy, Indiana Hoosiers, Kansas Jayhawks, Kentucky Wildcats, Oregon Ducks.

Speaker 5 (02:04:30):
You get the point.

Speaker 7 (02:04:31):
Are we headed there where eventually you're going to have
power programs that are going to secede away from the
NCAA and say, you know what, we are now aligning
ourselves with NBA funding and we are going to become
a G league. I know that sounds ludicrous or does it?

Speaker 12 (02:04:51):
Just to circle back on something real quick, that James
is the James Naji kid who signed with Baylor. Didn't
sign an NBA contract, So that's what that's right.

Speaker 7 (02:04:58):
He was and he's a He was a foreign right
drafted in.

Speaker 5 (02:05:04):
Had grafted, but he did not sign. My apologies.

Speaker 12 (02:05:08):
So Trenton Flowers is the kid who is in the
G league now who there was a report this weekend
about him getting some interest. He has played in NBA games.
He I can't imagine him possibly being eligible to play
college basketball, But that hasn't stopped schools from at least
calling to try to find out because that's the extent

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they're willing to go. But a lot of schools behind
the scenes have kind of separated themselves from that since
that first came out. Whether or not you will see,
you know, college basketball become kind of a G league
type of situation, as you kind of alluded to, Uh,
I don't know. I mean ultimately, you're still tethered to

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higher education as much of as much as that's become
a punchline here in recent years. I don't know how
these admissions officers are getting this done in a lot
of cases, but I think, you know, college basketball to
a certain extent has always been a G league because
all the one and done's. The NBA has that rule,

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not because they want those guys going to college to
benefit the colleges, but because they want those guys becoming
stars in their sport before they get to the NBA.
So there's a brand there so that people are interested
in the draft. You know, that's always been kind of
a self serving NBA rule. I don't know where this goes,

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but all the professionals coming over from Europe, a lot
of whom are in their twenties, a lot of these
you know, fringe NBA guys who might be warming their
way into college basketball now because coaches let them in.
This is all about the coaches. This is not the
NC doable A. I think people need to understand that
the NC doable A is the coaches and is the

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university presidents. They write the rules and then their coaches
go and find ways around those rules. So when Scott
Drew comes out today and blames the NC DOABLEA for
they're not being rules, he's taught on himself because he's
in the NABC. His university is part of the ncluble
A that forms these committees that make these rules.

Speaker 5 (02:07:18):
And then.

Speaker 12 (02:07:20):
He goes out, sees a loop, Paul takes advantage of
it and then blows up all the other rules. So
who knows where this goes from here, But the NC
DOUABLEA does not move quickly as we know. So if
anybody expects there to be rules passed down tomorrow that
coaches can no longer do this sort of stuff, that's

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just not going to happen. It's up to the coaches
to not do it. And coaches can't help themselves because
they need to win, they need to protect their contracts,
and they will do whatever they have to do to
benefit them right here, right now and not worry about
what it means for this sport that they have leaned
large in for their entire careers.

Speaker 5 (02:08:03):
Brian.

Speaker 7 (02:08:03):
One of the things that most impresses me about Brian
Nibbert's my guest, Jaba House, Peel and Port gas Line.

Speaker 5 (02:08:09):
He's with Golden Black.

Speaker 7 (02:08:11):
What has most impressed me about Matt Painter and about
the Purdue basketball program is it almost feels like they're
they're like the last pillar of scruples here in this
And when you look at Trey Kaufman, Renn and Fletcher Lawyer,
you know, Braden Smith, guys that had opportunity to go

(02:08:31):
elsewhere once, particularly that they were established at Purdue. There's
a culture there. And that's such an overused word culture, right, yes, yes,
but Matt Painter, Yeah, I mean, and Matt Painter has
been able to go out and say and he's masterful
at using this magnifying glass to scrutinize and look over

(02:08:54):
players and say that guy has my culture.

Speaker 5 (02:08:58):
Can Purdue continue to do that?

Speaker 7 (02:09:00):
Or are these guys the last sand going through the
hourglass before eventually everyone has to conform to this new way.

Speaker 12 (02:09:11):
Well, I don't think he's going to go to the
links that you know, Scott Drew just went to. I
don't think he's going to go to the links that
the byus of the world. You know, a lot of
the big money places are going to go to produced
players do very well financially. This isn't you know, a
situation where where Purdue has refused to acclimate to the

(02:09:34):
conditions on the ground. They just don't push boundaries.

Speaker 5 (02:09:37):
They just.

Speaker 12 (02:09:39):
They just play the game as the rules are written.
You could you could make a tortured argument that Scott
Drew's doing the same thing, but that doesn't mean that
what he's doing is in the best interest of the game.
Purdue has done things its way, which it would call
the right way. I would tend to agree with it.
I've always kind of wondered, you know, when the FBI

(02:10:02):
stuff came out, nothing came of it, like, who's the
sucker here? Is it the people doing it the right way?
Or is the people doing it the wrong way or
the or the illegal way? And I think that produce
success here. The last five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten
years has kind of validated Purdue's way as an effective way.

(02:10:23):
You can still do it a certain way, and when
big I don't see that really falling off a cliff
after this year, when all these seniors leave Purdue. I
think they've got a pretty good thing set up, so
it's sustainable. It's just it's going to get you at
some point. It's going to get you when somebody you
don't expect to leave leaves. It's going to get you

(02:10:44):
when somebody does jump for more money. I think the
whole discussion about Purdue keeping all these guys in school,
when people talk about that, that they completely underestimate the
fact that sometimes guys want to play where they want
to play. If they're happy at the school they're at.

(02:11:06):
Making two and a half million dollars a year instead
of a million dollars a year, it's not as big
a deal. And I think all of these guys appreciate
that Matt Painter has been fair with them, He's been
honest with them. They can't ask for better basketball situations
because they've played it every minute they can handle since
day one at Purdue. They've never been lied to, They've

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they've never been promised things that weren't delivered upon. And
that's just kind of his way of doing things. And
I'm sure a lot of coaches would say they do
the same things, and probably they don't. But so far,
so good for Matt Painter in terms of doing things
his way and succeeding. I think it's it's endurable for
the for the short term. We'll see where kind of

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things go in the future if this becomes a situation
where everybody's rolling out g leaguers and finding ways to
get twenty three and twenty four year olds into school
and importing new international pro teams every single year like
Illinois is.

Speaker 5 (02:12:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (02:12:09):
We'll have to see, but for the time being, I
think Produce in a pretty good spot doing it its way.

Speaker 5 (02:12:15):
Okay, Brian.

Speaker 7 (02:12:16):
Lastly, tonight obviously Purdue taking on Kent State. That is
kind of the last of things before you get into
and we turn the calendar into the Big Ten play
anything in particular you're looking for there, is there anything
that you have seen or not seen so far out
of this group that you say, yeah, I still want
to see that fine tuned or are they really realistically

(02:12:39):
in pretty good shape and we know who they are?

Speaker 5 (02:12:42):
Yeah. Consistency.

Speaker 12 (02:12:43):
I think the way that Purdue has defended since the
second half the Iowa State game, which was kind of
an abomination, the way Produce defended, the effort they've put
in to being good defensively, the connectedness they've played with defensively,
the tone Braden Smith especially has set from a defensive
standpoint has been a game changer for them, and between
that if they maintain it all year and the rebounding

(02:13:08):
piece of it, I think you're pretty well suited to
win on the road, and you're obviously going to have
to win a lot of road games to win the
Big Ten. And I think Purdue's got a huge advantage
in the Big Ten race given that Michigan, Michigan State,
and Illinois all come to Mcreina only. But that's only
an advantage for Purdue if they don't take care of

(02:13:31):
business at Wisconsin, if they don't win it Indiana, which
they should, but we've said that a lot in recent years,
and it's not always happened.

Speaker 5 (02:13:40):
You know, in.

Speaker 12 (02:13:41):
Nebraska, all of a sudden looks like a really tough
road game. So Purdue's got to beat the people on
the road that it should be, and if it does,
then all of a sudden, you're sitting here with huge
advantages with Michigan, Michigan State, and Illinois all being one
offs all in mac Arena, and if you can protect
your home court and get at least two of those games,
not all three, you're gonna win a Big Ten.

Speaker 5 (02:14:04):
Brian, you ever had an IQ tech? You ever taken
an IQ test?

Speaker 12 (02:14:07):
I haven't I'd be afraid of the results.

Speaker 7 (02:14:11):
One hundred and forty six. That's what I'm saying for you,
one hundred and forty six. I can tell in your writing.
When I read your stuff, I think to myself, this
guy genius level and is able to put this stuff
in a place where someone like me and the Vata
mediocrity can comprehend it, which is in itself a gift. Right,
So that might be one hundred and forty eight. I'll
give you two more points for that gift.

Speaker 12 (02:14:35):
Thank you for telling your listeners that I paid you
to say that.

Speaker 5 (02:14:39):
No, you didn't. You didn't, I'm telling you.

Speaker 7 (02:14:41):
But you can venmo me if you'd like, or just
get me a Java house when I'm up in Lafayette next.
I always love that as well, Brian. I appreciate the time.
Is always got a house? What's happening, Jake?

Speaker 12 (02:14:52):
I will happily get you a Java house anytime you're
in town.

Speaker 5 (02:14:55):
Appreciate it. Happy New Year to you man, you as well, Jake.
Thanks for man.

Speaker 7 (02:15:00):
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dealer here in Central Indiana. We'll find out what John's
got cooking for the big program and hand it off
to him next. It's a great tune, just a great tune,
and I suddenly can't hear it anymore.

Speaker 5 (02:15:36):
Eddie. Hopefully my voice is still going out over the radio.
J and V will be in there we go. It's back.
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:15:47):
I used to be able to sing along with this
whole thing back in my younger days, Eddie. I won't
do it for you.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
Now, younger days. You act like you're old.

Speaker 5 (02:15:54):
I know reality. I'd like to think I'm youthful though, right.

Speaker 1 (02:15:59):
You're pretty.

Speaker 5 (02:16:00):
I'm pretty spry.

Speaker 7 (02:16:03):
I'd like to think that. Here's the thing, I look young,
and because Shannon looks young, right, she is young. But
I'm just saying so that keeps me spry, chick.

Speaker 1 (02:16:15):
I don't think you need to correct yourself because she
doesn't listen to this show.

Speaker 5 (02:16:17):
That is correct.

Speaker 1 (02:16:18):
Well, she's listening in eight minutes.

Speaker 7 (02:16:20):
No, she's gonna she's starting to listen out because JMV
is walking in for the crossover. So I can assure
you that that is in fact the case. By the way,
tomorrow night, seven o'clock Inside AU Football Special Edition is
Indiana gets set for the Rose Bowl. We mentioned that
now tonight the Pacers are on the road, Is that right, Eddie?

Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
Yeah, they're in Houston.

Speaker 7 (02:16:39):
They are in Houston where the Colts will be on Sunday.
This game for the Pacers, I guess more meaningful because
even though they're in the similar case, at least for
the Pacers, Rick Carlisle still going for win number one thousand.

Speaker 5 (02:16:53):
JMB has arrived.

Speaker 1 (02:16:55):
They stink which one the Pacers?

Speaker 5 (02:16:57):
Yeah, they're not very good.

Speaker 7 (02:16:59):
Yeah, it's like one step forward, two steps back each
time you think of Guy's Yeah, you know, I mean TJ.

Speaker 5 (02:17:06):
McConnell.

Speaker 7 (02:17:06):
Now with quote unquote hamstring soreness, Aaron Nee Smith.

Speaker 10 (02:17:10):
I don't like to hear when Pascal Siakam feels compelled
to talk about what the difference is between taking things
seriously and really being objective and losing or just accepting losing.
Like I thought this group wouldn't have to have that
explained to them by a veteran or anybody. And the

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fact he had to do that last week was a
little off putting, I thought, not for him, but the
fact that he had to do it.

Speaker 5 (02:17:37):
You know.

Speaker 7 (02:17:37):
But I I and I'm not saying this as some
sort of an apologist. The thing that I have to
keep reminding myself is that so many of the players
on the floor are guys that have no part of
their future.

Speaker 5 (02:17:48):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 (02:17:48):
Yeah, I mean you forget Toppen's the guy you completely
forget about, but I mean that he's out topping Nie
Smith and then you know, obviously Haliburton's the big one.
But it's just such I think the thing that's frustrating
John is guys like Jeris Walker and Ben Matheren who
you have such an opportunity there and they just have
not taken advantage.

Speaker 10 (02:18:09):
Yeah, the Matherin thing that's going to come to ahead,
Yeah pretty soon, it seems.

Speaker 7 (02:18:13):
Sure, But you wonder if he's played him not he himself,
but have you know, is his value such that what
are you going to get for him? At this point,
I mean, you're going to get something, but not maybe
to the level that you thought.

Speaker 10 (02:18:24):
I think he's a guy that they don't have. But
is he ever going to be the guy that Rick
Carlisle is willing to accept? If Haliburton is back, is
that attitude different if guys are back and they're winning.

Speaker 5 (02:18:40):
Is that attitude?

Speaker 10 (02:18:40):
Is this attitude coming with the fact that they're arguably
the worst team of the.

Speaker 5 (02:18:45):
NBA right now?

Speaker 2 (02:18:46):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:18:46):
No, I know, but I just I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:18:50):
I thought Matheren from a scoring standpoint, would start to
show more versatility in scoring that would make him a
wider spread product than that other teams would have an interest.

Speaker 5 (02:19:01):
I think that the Pacers going to view it like that.
They they want to try.

Speaker 10 (02:19:05):
I think people want Matherin to be something that he's
not going to be. I think he is going to
be a dictative type of scoring threat. I agree, and
all this other stuff people are asking for, you're going
to be window dressing, I think. And he could fall
in line with guys around him, but he's not going
to be that type of single player.

Speaker 5 (02:19:24):
But he's going to be a go get it guy.
When you have guys that.

Speaker 7 (02:19:28):
Are threats on the floor with him, right, I just
but again, I think it's gonna be elsewhere.

Speaker 5 (02:19:33):
That's my gut. But and that would stink, wouldn't it.
That would And then seeing what.

Speaker 10 (02:19:39):
They're gonna end up getting is one of the top
picks right in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (02:19:43):
Is is pretty interesting too, But no, it is a bummer.

Speaker 10 (02:19:46):
And Jake, once we get past IU football, once you know,
we get into college basketball, you better run on the
boiler Makers.

Speaker 5 (02:19:53):
Oh yeah, because.

Speaker 10 (02:19:54):
There's going to be few and far between things going
on around here, especially if the coach, for whatever reason,
decide to run this thing back.

Speaker 5 (02:20:02):
For whatever reason. But I have a feeling that that's
what you're going to be talking about over the next month.

Speaker 10 (02:20:06):
Goodness, we can't can't go out losing seven straight. I mean,
not everything is excusable, right, the whole resume is not excusable.

Speaker 5 (02:20:14):
And one, I mean, come on, all.

Speaker 7 (02:20:17):
Right, jo jameson Jay and V's up next with explanation,
breakdown where they go from here, where he thinks they
should go from here. Although there is still the game left,
we'll let him do it next and we will be
back with you at noon tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (02:20:29):
I appreciate you listening to quarry company

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