Colts Report to Training Camp + Chris Ballard Press Conference Thoughts! Stephen Holder Joins!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So you all remember it well. I know you do.
I know you do. We mentioned it yesterday, we made
light comment of it. You remember that time when, just
before a couple of weeks before back to school night,
when your mom or your dad, or your uncle or

(00:24):
your godparents, whoever it might have been, maybe an older
sibling took you to Kroger, took you to car Target,
took you to Kmart, took get a Walmart, whatever it
might be. Buy a couple of folders, your art box,
the big rubber eraser thing that you can still smell,

(00:47):
maybe as you got a little bit older, a protractor
or a compass that theoretically neither one of them you
ever used, but they sat in your art box, a
plastic ruler, a couple of pencils when you got older,
some big pins. That first day of school, getting off
the school bus, with the excitement and anticipation of trying,

(01:07):
you know, finding out who your teacher was going to be,
who was in your class, what your schedule was, and
whether you had lunch. In the early days. Let me
ask you this, Eddie, when you were at Decatur Central,
what time, what how did they do lunches? How many
periods were lunch.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Ooh, we had three different lunches, and so there was
one that was prior to fifth period, there was one
that was in the middle of fifth period, and then
there was one that was.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
After fifth period. Okay, so we had at north Central
periods four or five, six, seven, and I think even
eight were all half periods. So you could have lunch
like four to six. I mean you could have a
class four to six with lunch five or a class
five seven with lunch six. You know that kind of thing.
And if you got the ear, if you got fourth

(01:54):
period lunch, you ate. This is insane to me in hindsight.
If you got fourth period lunch. When I was in
high school, you ate at ten twenty. We ate lunch
at ten twenty. I mean, you didn't get out of
school until three. By three o'clock, literally you were ready
to eat like a horse and a hostess twinkie the
size of a house, right, And of course for lunch

(02:14):
you'd always just eat like honey buns and a French
fry anyway, and then you'd fall asleep during study hour
with a sugar crash. But I digress. Bottom line, you remember,
if you're going to elementary school, in particular that feeling
of the first day of school, having your outfit picked out,
all of the things that go into it. And I
know that I had a pretty idyllic childhood and unfortunate
for that. It's my hope that a lot of people

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had a similar type experience a recollection. But that's where
we are now for the Indianapolis Colts and the twenty
twenty five twenty twenty six season. I guess in football terms,
you list it strictly by the year of the vast
majority of the season. So the twenty twenty five Indianapolis
Colts right now, they're all sitting at the lunch table.

(02:55):
They're all sitting around and they're figuring out who's class
and oh, that's okay, you're also a cornerback. We're in
the same We're sitting in the same spot, the same meetings,
and the storylines begin. Zion Franklin, for example, showing up
at camp and giving an update on the status of
his ankle that he had surgery in the off season,

(03:17):
says that he will miss the first start of camp,
but he will be quote turns up on the sidelines
and then ready to go when it matters. Most the
quarterback position will be that of the biggest intrigue. It
goes without saying. And even though right now, I think
back again to when you were in school, when you
were a little kid before school began, and you had
that etch a sketch and you'd been working on a

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design and then like one of the little left wheel
got stuck and so you couldn't get the little thing
to move. So he decided to start all over again,
and you shook that thing, cleared it all off. And
that's allegedly and apparently where the quarterback competition sits right now.
Anthony Richardson missed their last get together, had a little

(04:03):
bit of a sore shoulder called Nolan Ryan, took a
couple of advil and called it today and now apparently
is one hundred percent pain free and ready to go.
Daniel Jones, who's been driving the bus in the last
couple of weeks, now knows that it is open competition,

(04:24):
and that's certainly going to be the storyline that drives us,
no question about that. I personally think, and none of
us know. My personal thought is that this open competition
has already been decided. I know that sounds great that
sounds a little ludicrous, because let's be real, if Anthony
Richardson comes out and shows that he he has to

(04:48):
do the little things, you know, let me give you
one of my bad analogies. Que up the J Querry
bad analogy sounder. Okay, and I can't remember what it
was the other day that sometimes might announces think that
I that I need.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
To land the plane.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
I go too long.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Several years ago, during a qualifying session for IndyCar, I
noticed that late in the qualifying rounds, and for those
that don't know, for qualifying an IndyCar, you have three
rounds of qualifying. The first half of the field goes
out and there are twelve cars, and the fastest six

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of those twelve advance into the next round. And then
the second group goes out of twelve and the fastest
six of that advance to the next round. Then you
have twelve cars in the next round, the fastest six
of that advance, et cetera. And those timed sessions, I
noticed that Alexander Rossi, in particularly when he was with

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Dredi Autosport, in a ten minute session, Rossie would be
completely out to lunch for the first two and a
half minutes. Then from minutes two and a half to five,
his times started showing a little bit more cop you know, competitive,
and then in the last like two laps of a
qualifying session, he would absolutely put one together and be great.

(06:19):
And he later told me that he was working from
the outside ind I'll explain what all of that means.
Chris Ballard speaking here on report day, Grand Park out
in Westfield for Colts Camp. We will come back. We
will break that down and a couple of things that
caught my ear, and I'll get back to what I
was talking about with Anthony Richards and big show line up.
Scot Agne's going to join us today, Stephen Holder as well.

(06:41):
Your reactions as we get set here for another season
of Colts Camp and then into the Colts themselves and
what you heard from Chris Ballard. All of it to unpack.
We'll do it other side here at Quaring Company on
a Tuesday on the fan. Okay, I want to get
fan reaction. Listen, reaction, I should say fans of the

(07:01):
Colts to the Chris Ballard press conference, but I'll just
say it. Listen. I listened to the thirty minutes of
that and I think that Chris Ballard, who at times
I have accused of being pretty arrogant, sounds like a
little bit more realistic Chris Ballard and a little bit more,

(07:24):
a slightly more humble Chris Ballard. But at the same time,
it's the same old song and dance, right, same old story,
I mean, rinse and repeat. We could have played that
same press conference for the last three years. I like
our guys. Competition's good. I want to see these guys
get competitive in camp. The one thing that was different,

(07:47):
there was one thing that was a little bit different,
And admittedly I don't know what exactly it is that
I'm wanting him to say. You know, it's we don't
know anything yet because they're just showing up for camp.
But the areas where you expected to stand by guys,
he stood by them. But there's one thing to me

(08:09):
that was a little bit different than with Chris Ballard,
and it ties into what I was talking about just
before we began that press conference, and in tying in
with what I was talking about with Alexander Rossi and
how it relates to Anthony Richardson. One thing that was
different from Chris Ballard from what I heard, and I
think for Colts fans, it's both good news and bad news.

(08:32):
We'll get into it. I want your thoughts as well. Next. So,
when I was talking about at the top of the
show with the Colts reporting to training camp, and then
we heard from Chris Ballard. But just before we went
out and Chris Ballard began speaking, I was talking about
with Anthony Richardson and how there was a time when

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I would watch Alexander Rossi during qualifying sessions in IndyCar
and in a ten minute session to get down, you
have ten minutes to do your best lap, and Rossi's
best lap would always come at the very end of
that session, and he would get he would be completely
out to lunch for the first two minutes, and then
a little bit better in the middle two minutes, and
then he'd come in and like Pitt and then he'd

(09:16):
come back out and he'd lay down a lap that
was as good as anybody in the field. And I
asked him once, I'm like, what is the difference. Are
you getting better grip in your tires? Are you adjusting
your car? And he said no, what I do is
at the beginning of a session, I'd begin on the
outside of the track, and I drive the outer lane

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so that I can look to my left and see
the inside lanes and where I can kind of shave
time and where I can cut corners. Basically, so I
do the difficult part first. Then I narrow it down
to the easy part. I figure out where that what
can be weeded out to get it to the most
fine night level. And that's how I do the fastest

(10:02):
lap at the end. And I think with Anthony Richardson,
he's gotten the difficult part down. Running the football and
extending plays. He can do. Throwing the sixty five yard
deep ball right into the red basket of a guy
in motion, he can do. The problem for Anthony Richardson

(10:26):
is on the shaving lanes and making things smaller and
more simpler. Aspect, he hits the wall every time. His
completion percentage in the routine plays, the layups, as Chris
Ballard says, have not been there. You have to as
a quarterback. You have to start with the routine and

(10:50):
then master the outside lanes. Not start with the outside
lanes and work your way back in like Alexander Rossi
does or did.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
To me.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Is the problem with Richardson Now when Chris Ballard just
spoke and we just listened to it for thirty minutes,
and he talked about his you know, the fact that
Jim Mersey is no longer there, and how much they're
going to miss him, and how much belief he has
and the daughters and how he knows them well. And
I'm not saying any of that is to say that

(11:21):
any of that is lip service. I mean, I'm being
serious when I say I'm just repeating to you what
he was saying, and I think that's all true. He
talked about the fact that the big news would be
this and that is that no one is going to
start the season on the pup list, the physically unable
to perform list. The closest would have been Zire Franklin.
But Zire Franklin, who had ankle surgery, he thinks is

(11:43):
going to be good to go. He also said that,
you know, Jalen Carlis, who they like a lot, is cleared.
Samson Ekubon, who missed a lot of time last year,
is cleared, so they look very healthy. He defensively, he
thinks that they need to be a better tackling defense.
Every defense probably, I would think, feels that they need

(12:06):
to be a better tackling defense. But one thing that
Chris Ballard said to me that stood out, and it's
good news and it's bad news. I think Chris Ballard
the thing that he does the best at his job

(12:26):
is I guess he and I have this in common.
Chris Ballard can say a lot of words without saying anything,
and he just did that for thirty minutes. Now, Admittedly,
I don't know what, to be fair, I don't know
what it is that I would expect him to say.

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And he's pretty I mean, he's usually pretty honest about things.
And you look back and go, yeah, he pretty much
said that. Maybe the most honest thing that he said
or the best insight that he had in there's a
level of truth to it is when he cited Sam
Donald and Baker Mayfield of do you think those teams

(13:09):
wish they would have given them a longer leash? And
I think the point that was trying to be made
to him was, yeah, but Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnald
they got second lease on life later because they got
a change of scenery and a change of expectation and
all of those things. But perhaps if they were still
in that same situation. Who knows if they're the same player,

(13:30):
because they're just eventually. The definition of insanity is trying
the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. And with
Anthony Richardson, I thought he he showed with Anthony Richardson,
the willingness to continue to give him opportunity and the

(13:51):
belief in Anthony Richardson. But for the very first time,
to me, Chris Ballard, who a year ago at the
end of the year said we've got a long way
to go, and he was a little more contrite, but
usually at the beginning of the year, Chris Ballard is
very confident. And I guess the good news is we're
seeing like a little bit more realistic and humble Chris Ballard,

(14:12):
and maybe that drives him. But the bad news is
he didn't seem as confident. That to me sounded like
a guy that was not as confident in his roster
and where they are, and seems to be as incredulous
and as confused as the rest of us as to
what and the heck we're about to see. And while
I applaud and command and appreciate the transparency of that,

(14:36):
it's also a little bit troubling if that's the guy
that's running your franchise, that he did not seem convinced.
That did not seem to me to be a guy
convinced that he had any idea whatsoever what direction this
team was going. Just didn't. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll let
you hear a little more from him over the course

(14:57):
of the show. Scott Agne is going to join us
other side as well as the Pacer Summer League and
the w NBA both Obviously that confluence in the last
couple of weeks will catch up with Scott will do
it the other side, nice too, Eddie. I'm a fan,
by the way, Leonard Skynerd. I've always said every time
this song plays, I bring this up when you talk

(15:19):
signature songs of a band. Leonard Skinnered has one of
the most highly contested debates whether it's free Bird or
Sweet Home Alabama. I think it's probably free Bird. Personally,
the other artist, Scott Agnes, would be a good person
to chime in because on this next one right, because
I I believe with this other artist there are only

(15:39):
two correct answers, and one of them is more about
the song itself was bigger and the other is about
like the lyrics of the song in terms of a
signature song. And do we have Scott Aginson field House Files. Okay,
Scott said to join us just a couple of minutes.
I believe Fever back into action tonight, by the way,
and when Clark's still not going to be on the

(16:01):
floor as they're in New York to take on the
Liberty Eddie, I'll I'll have you let me know when
Scott's in the mix, so I'll ask you this, Eddie.
So you know the definition of a signature song, right, yeah,
like if you go on the street and you ask
you know exactly Joe Schmode, like, hey, what is the
first time that comes to mind when you think of
you know, Van Halen or etc. Correct. The artist that

(16:24):
I think has the biggest debate other than Leonard Skinner
for signature song is Madonna. What do you think is
the signature song of Madonna? Little Before Your Time? I realize,
I mean Madonna is not necessarily like in Vogue. I'll
ask Scott Agnes because he joins us. Now Scott joins
us field House Files. Scott, you are known and you

(16:47):
are not afraid to admit you're a Swiftie. Right, yeah, absolutely,
you jumped on that. Okay, so obviously what I'm talking
about as an artist that is, you know, a little
more passe than say a Taylor Swift, but kind of
Taylor Swift level hype and hysteria in her prime. In
your opinion, Scott Agnes, tell me the signature song of Madonna.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Mmm, like a Virgin's the only one that stands out.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
See, that's that is absolutely in my opinion, it's it's
here's what's interesting. Okay. That is her signature song probably
and the one that I think she is most known
for musically speaking. But does Madonna's signature song and that
debate get swayed by the fact, do you know her

(17:38):
nickname Madonna's No, I don't. Her nickname is the material.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Girl ocause she's got that song because of the.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Song material Girl. So does that sway signature song into materials?
Because when Madonna and I, you know, I mean, I'm
not saying I hope this is anytime soon, but I
always say the signature song is the song that is
first mentioned in the artist's obitua. Okay, like so and so,
so and so best known for their hit such and
such and with Madonna material girl will be the first mentioned,

(18:07):
because I guarantee you either the headline or the first
line will say Madonna, the material girl who rocks the
music world in the nineteen eighties, Da Da Da Da
Da passed away at the age of ninety one or whatever.
You know what I'm saying. So to me, it's one
of them. That's totally fair.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
Okay, it's a lot better eat an easier headline to
lean into as well. Correct the girl, the material girl,
Yeah whatever.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
That's exactly right. But material girl not as big a
song as like a Virgin obviously. All right, So let's
get to this Scott obviously fever and action type we
just talked about it. The All Star Game is complete.
We'll get to that in a second. But Caitlin clark'sable
availability tonight, I think we can certainly say is a
no go. Do we get a better timeline on when

(18:48):
we might see Caitlin Clark's return.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
No, not just yet, because she was planning to meet
with an outside doctor from outside the state, and from
there then they would formulate the play of what's next.
My understanding is it's not as bad as some people
it feared. I mean, I get there's a lot of
outrage online, right and people, oh, hanging up for the
rest of the season. No, I think it's probably a

(19:11):
couple of week type of thing. The bigger issue in
all this is it's been one thing after the other,
and so my personal worry is that Okay, you get
one right and then something else becomes the issue. So
I think it's important for her to take whatever time
is needed, and I think inevitably she will be back,
but I don't think before. It won't be for the

(19:33):
rest of this month, likely, but we do not have
any firm timetable.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
What specifically is the injury.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
The latest one is the right groin, We don't. I
assume it's a strain and it happened in the second
to last game they were playing in Boston, a TD
Garden against the Connecticut Sun, and she just felt it
and I think you could see on her face so
many emotions run through her head, probably like good, can
I not catch a break? Went down to the other end,

(20:03):
banged her head on the stanchion. Teammate a staff member
put a towel overhead. And I think it's been one
thing after the next. It was that quad strain like
day three of practice and training camp most recently. Previously
it was a left quad strain. Now it's to the
other side.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
So okay, I've asked this before I realize, and then
we'll get to the rest of the roster. Could the
injury be like we have seen with other players compensatory?
In other words, could this be because she was compensating
one area of her leg because of the other injuries
that she has experienced.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
I would suspect that's playing a factor here, right.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
You generally, if something's acting up, you overcompensate by putting
more pressure on your other re leg or your other
ankle or what have you. And so you know, if
that left groin area is bad, you're probably leaning into
that right a little bit more. I don't know the
physics behind.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Did we lose Scott.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Eddy, Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:07):
We did. Would you like to continue what he was saying?
I just don't think we know the physics behind it,
thank you. We don't know the physics behind that, nor
the science behind connection. Right, Connectivity has been has been
a weakness, Is that right?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
That's true?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Fever and action again, you'll be on the pregame call right.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Seven forty five pregame coverage.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Do you feel that And we've talked about this, it's
maybe a tired subject, but I think it's one worth
leaning into. At this point, I'll ask Scott, because we've
got him back. Scott, at this point, with Caitlyn Clark
not in the lineup, do you think the rest of
the supporting cast now has a pretty good idea as
to how to play without her? And then as a

(21:47):
result of that, how long a because if you look
at it, I mean we're basically halfway through here, halfway
through the season for the fever, and let's say Caitlin
Clark misses we'll just say three more games, okay, So
then when you get her back, what is the acclimation
period of adjusting to the way that they have been
playing without her, which for more than not has been

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very good and balanced, and then working her into that
and having her be maybe more facilitator first shoot or
second how long does it take for all of that
to find its cohesiveness before you know what I mean?
So that you're on the right page going into the postseason. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
The incredible thing is that they're sixth in the standings
out of thirteen and obviously have not played great basketball,
And what I was wrapping up there was we have
all seen how bad her shot has been. Well, if
you're not feeling your legs, you can't require all that
power and such from your legs to power you up
for those three point shots. But in terms of this
team coming together, look, this team hasn't looked at all

(22:47):
what we thought all off season, right starting with your
biggest acquisition in the off season to want to bond
or wanting out, and that threw a total change into
what this Fever team was expecting. Now Ery McDonald has
been the huge acquisition. She was a free agent pick
up here that she was just open on the market here,
and what she allows for this team to do is

(23:09):
play at more of that pace and speed that they
do when Kaitlyn is out. And so there was such
a big drop off in the plane styles when Caitlyn
was out, but now Ari's been able to pick that up.
And I think while all along Stephanie White has wanted
to play Caitlyn clerk a little bit more off.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
The ball to preserve her energy, to preserve.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
What she can do throughout the season, and I think
that was smart coming into the season, because look, she
hasn't made it healthy through this year, through the physical
contact and all of that. We all know this team
is at the best, at its best when she has
the ball in her hand and is able to facilitate.
So I think they'll try to ease her back in,
probably once again on that minute's restriction that she doesn't

(23:53):
like but deals with twenty five to thirty minutes or so,
ramp her way up, and then you hope this team
is able to take off in that final month of
the season. The challenge here, Jake, is that there's been
no All Star break, especially for the Indiana girls, because
they were the hosts basically, and we saw them all
out and about over this last long weekend and so

(24:14):
they got right back to practice on Sunday and now
are the featured game coming up tonight in New York.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Once again, Scott, let me go back to when the
Super Bowl was in Indianapolis, Okay, and I was walking
around downtown, And first off, it was so bizarre because
it was like sixty two degrees or something the Saturday
night before the Super Bowl. But I'm walking around downtown
and I remember an suv went past and Adam Sandler

(24:43):
was in the back seat and everbody was going crazy
and the Hampton end it turned into like the bud
Light Hotel for the weekend. And yeah, and I'm seeing literally,
I mean, I don't know, a couple of one hundred
thousand people walking around just the quadrant of downtown. And
in that moment, I literally stopped and just looked around

(25:04):
and was like, I can't believe that the super Bowl
is here, and like that I'm witnessing all this, I
mean in a good way. Right, give me the moment
for the w And I'm not comparing the WNBA All
Star Game to the super Bowl, that would be foolish,
but for this franchising, for this city, I mean, it
was a big event. It was cool. Was there a
moment where you just kind of stopped and looked around

(25:25):
and said to yourself, like, this is cool, this is
a big deal. And I'm not talking about just watching
the game itself. Was there something that happened over the
weekend where you thought to yourself, this is a unique event.
It's cool that it's here. Yeah, great point.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
I absolutely I took time Saturday to walk around and
experience the downtown, and my goodness, it was blown up
in the best way possible, even better I thought than
last year with NBA All Star Week, and I thought
that was such a You didn't know it at the time,
but that was basically a trial run then for what
we just experienced. And I thought Nike and Gatorade in
particular going all in with their banners just made it

(25:59):
feel assive. And then to me, Jake, it was going
into the.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yes, Eddie, what.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Are you doing over there? What are you doing over there?

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Ready?

Speaker 1 (26:09):
You keep stepping on wires? Are you stepping on wires?
Is that where we're I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I mean, we've had some network issues here, some activity issues, right,
I got them back again.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
I don't know what it is usually, Jake, that's only
when I'm on my iPhone. I'm in the home studio,
so I have no idea what that is. But to
my point, it was going into the convention center, where
I was told in the first two hours on Saturday
there were more people than there were the previous day.
The entire day it was filled with player appearances. I
love the players buy in to the weekend. And I

(26:39):
think the other telling part to me more about the
league as well. Jake was so many of the different
companies and activations going on. They're only doing that if
there's interest, and the interest to me was through the roof.
We know what kind of fans fill the arena now
for games and for Friday night to your point earlier,
So to me, it was walking around Saturday and just
seeing and the massive amount of groups and events going on.

(27:03):
I thought Georgia Street was fantastic, and I thought Indy
did a great job crushing it.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
You know, the it was cool, and I will say that,
you know, just the signage and the overall vibe and
then you have obviously summer celebration that was taking place.
I mean it was the perfect marriage of you know,
just people having a good time in downtown indian It
was good to see Indianapolis, which at a time that
Indy probably needed it right for downtown Indianapolis to be
able to show out a little bit, which was, you know,
obviously very cool. Scott, in terms of field House Files,

(27:31):
give me the other that you are working on or
the upcoming stories that you might have coming to field
House Files.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, well, we have Passcalciakam obviously in the brickyard four
hundred driving the pace car so I got to write
about that. And then Tyrese Halliburton talked today for the
first time about his injury and was on for more
than an hour with Pat, so we'll be passing along
what he had to say. And one of those big
things was that Kevin Durant was here well.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Talked to Scott Agnes later on. Appreciate it. Let's get
back into what the cold for talking about. I'm not
really interested in having somebody come on here and talk
about something that's taking place against us while we're on
the air, so we'll just move along with that. Chris
Ballard spoke earlier today, and I want to get back
into that, Eddie, because we've got you know, he talked

(28:18):
about a number of different things, and one of those is,
you know, Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones, and with Richardson,
you know again, I go back to I think Richardson,
there is so much that is in play with his
shoulder and whether or not. And I think Chris Ballard
even knows that he's kind of tiptoeing it is the

(28:39):
wrong way of saying it, but he's got to know
that you can only go so many times with Anthony
Richardson in going to letting him like go, you know,
two steps forward, one step back, two steps forward, one
step back, and listen. There is a talent within Richardson

(29:02):
that is so intriguing that I understand why you keep
going back to it. And it's like I've said with
the Pacers with Jonathan Bender. The reason why Jonathan Bender
that you that the Pacers extended him and gave him
so many opportunities is because they saw so many times,
like in practice and things like that, the the intrigue

(29:23):
of something that was almost unforeseen. And I think they
see that within Anthony Richardson. But as he talked about
towards the end of today, the stretches of good play
from Anthony Richardson, they have been there, but they need
to be there more consistently. Chris Ballard earlier today on
the consistency of Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
There was a three game run, three or four game run,
you know, after his mention when he came back that
was really good. I think you, I think we'd all
agree that was a was a great stretch of football.
And there's been stretches of accuracy that's.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
Been really good. I mean the Jet game was.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
You know, that's probably the best game he played in
his career against a really good defense. I mean the
record didn't show it, but that team defensively was really good.
And then what really gives me a lot of hope.
So I don't know if you can think back to
these moments, but at the end of the Pittsburgh game,
people forget we had to get a first down there

(30:21):
he threw a pass to Pittman to get the first
to kind of get to get the clock.

Speaker 7 (30:26):
Down and pressure moments.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
His ability to slow it down and make a play,
He's shown it multiple times. You go back to his
rookie year against the Rams. Bring we're down what twenty three?
Nothing brings us back to Tidal game, the Jet game,
you know, to win it, he had to make throws
to win it New England, I mean, fourth down throw
to get us within you know one the two point conversion.

(30:53):
So there's been some signs and pressure moments that he
can get things done.

Speaker 7 (30:58):
Now we just got to be able to do it
all the time.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
See that's the he's right, I mean, he's right in
that right and the fact that you've got to get
it consistently now, right, And but yet there is still
the belief and the hope. And we've talked before Eddie
about hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things,
but at the same time the same time, it can
be dangerous. The question was asked with Anthony Richardson, and

(31:26):
it's a fair one. Now that you have Daniel Jones
in there, you know, is there still the belief? Is
there still the hope? Chris Ballard on whether or not
and in fact, the reasoning for still believing in Anthony Richardson?

Speaker 6 (31:41):
Do you think people regret Baker Mayfield's timeline, Sam Darnold's timeline.

Speaker 7 (31:48):
Let's just go.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
Exactly, and so how about a little Sometimes you got
to have a little patience with a guy and let
them grow through things. Now, there's got to be like,
if you just know this guy, no he can't do it.
But if if you think, hey, he's on the right trajectory,
why are you gonna Why are you gonna flush him

(32:12):
just because people outside think you should flush him?

Speaker 7 (32:15):
I don't. I don't agree with that.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
I think we need to give Anthony every chance to
be the best he can be, and I think I
think he can be really good.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
You know, but things got to come together.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I think what I heard today from Chris Ballard and Eddie,
you tell me if you agree or disagree. But I
heard a general manager that. And in his defense, to
be fair, if Chris Ballard came up there today and

(32:54):
spouted till the cows came home that he loves this roster,
he is confident that they're going to compete for an
AFC South title, and that they are exactly where they
need to be, and he is thrilled with it. We
would come on here and tortu him and say he's delusional,
he's arrogant, and we would I would sit here and

(33:17):
John probably would as well sit here and go on
and on about how why in the world are we
trusting this guy, and why is he getting year fifteen
or whatever it's been. But to be fair to him,
if he comes on and he's a little more contrite
and he's a little more humble, and he's a little
more realistic as to where they are, then we sit

(33:38):
here and say, why are they not better than they are?
Why does he not have a better belief? So there's
a little bit of a double edged sword there in
all honesty, But he did to me today Eddie, and
you tell me if you agree or disagree. He did
sound like a guy who is just a little more

(33:59):
like but at the same time a little bit more
in the dark about where his team is than he
claimed to be.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
The last two years felt like he was flustered about
where things are at, especially with the common thing he
made about missing the playoffs each you know for what
last four years now, it just feels like he's searching
for answers just like the rest of us. Jake, and
he's frustrated with losing, and he's flustered with the fact

(34:30):
that he can't seem to figure it out in terms
of building the roster around to win, even like Pittsburgh,
the Steelers somehow always win even though they don't have
great quarterback plays. It just seems frustrated with that aspect
of not being able to find wins even though the
quarterback play may not be there week two week game
to game.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
The the other thing when he was asked about it,
you know, like Daniel Jones, it sounded to me like
when he was asked about Daniel Jones, and Daniel Jones
is a guy that he brought in right and he
was compliment them. Let's hear what he had to say
about Daniel Jones, and then there's something coming off of
that that I want to add on to. Here's Chris
Ballard earlier today on Daniel Jones.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
Good dude, really good guy. Centered, He's been through a lot.
Daniel's been like he he's seen in you know, being
in New York and a scrutiny on being a top
ten pick.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
Is not for everybody.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
But I thought he handled it with grace and class
like you would expect. And that's who he is. No,
he and Daniel's talented. I mean, Daniel's a very talented player.
So it's gonna it'll be a fun competition to watch
between these two guys are both very talented.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Now, he seemed to me, though, to be more and
I know that he knows Anthony Richardson better, Eddie, but
Chris Ballard seemed to me to be a guy that
still was leaning more towards promoting Richardson or building up
Richardson than Jones. But what's fascinating to me, and I'm
gonna go back, what's that I have a thought on that? Okay,
go ahead, because I'll tell you what fascinates me.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Do you think the reason why he's building up Bridgarson
just because, like us and other people that I've talked
about the competition, they've druggen through the mud already saying, hey,
this is over. You know Daniel Jones can be the
Week one starter. You think that's part of it. No,
I think it's this I was gonna say, or the
aspect of hey, this is the guy they drafted to

(36:24):
correct come, that's it.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
I still think it's this. I go back to when
Jim Merseay held the famous press conference and said with
Ryan Grigson and Chuck Pagano that these two guys are
attached it to him, and we later found out they
were not. He detached them. But what I think Chris
Ballard knows, whether he wants to admit it or not,

(36:47):
whether he's aware of it or not. The bottom line
is that in the eyes of the fan base, in
the eyes of a lot of the national media and
maybe the local media as well, but certainly in the
eyes I think of the people signing his paycheck, Chris
Ballard is attached to Anthony Richardson. I realized Chris Ballard

(37:09):
also brought in Daniel Jones, but Chris Ballard by kicking
the can down the road and going band aid at
quarterback for a number of years. And albeit I get it,
the Luck thing was not his fault. I get it, okay,
But when you knew that Andrew Luck was not coming
back and that went on about its way, then you

(37:33):
had to go out and eventually get your new franchise quarterback.
And Carson Wentz was a tep number one, And yes,
that might have been attached to Frank Reich. But then
when it came down to it, when your owner was saying, look,
we've got to get a young quarterback in there, and
you had four to choose from Bryce Young in no

(37:54):
particular order, Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud, Antony Richardson, Will Levis,
So I guess the order in which they were selected. Yes,
it is true that they would have had to have
moved up or moved around in order to get like
if it was Young or Stroud, but that possibility was
in the mix, and they were happy with Anthony Richardson.

(38:18):
And I understand why there's a lot of intriguing pieces
and unusual pieces about him, But Anthony Richardson is who
when Chris Ballard in his ultimate test, was put to
the test of what player is the one that you
were going to go after as a franchise player. Then
in that situation, he chose Anthony Richardson, And so he

(38:38):
has to know that his branding, in terms of his
judgment of selection, is most attached to Anthony Richardson. So
he is going to ride that until the very last
drop when the fuel light is on to make sure
and I understand it. I'm not damning him for it.
He is going to make absolutely certain that he gets

(39:00):
every opportunity possible for that to happen. And therefore I
think he is going to end out. What's fascinating to
me is the other side of that, which I think
could be something to watch and play out. And I
talk about precedent, there might be a precedent towards something
that we're going to see. And I'll explain what I'm

(39:20):
talking about next Stephen Holder by the way top of
the hour. See, I think it's got to be this
right in terms of signature song. But Madonna's nickname is
like if you google the material, girl, I think Madonna
is the first thing that comes up.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Right here, let me look it up the Material Girl.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Uh yeah, but the Material Girls. I think Material Girls
actually the better song. But that was Material Girl right there.
I'm sorry, But like a Virgin is the one that
I think is her bigger, like the more recognized hit. Right,
Material Girls a cool song though, I agree. So tomorrow

(40:04):
ten o'clock in the morning, everything gets underway Colts practice.
We will be out there Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. We're
out there, right, yeah. Do we have a line yet
on what players will be getting, because I assume that
we're beginning we'll be talking to players out there.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Correct, I'm not sure who just yet, Jake, But yeah,
you're out there the rest of the week after today.
He'll be out there Monday and Tuesday, so you'll next
being studio with me on Wednesday. So I know you're
going to dearly miss me because it'll be a whole
entire week without seeing this and being around this awesome
person that I am.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Okay, I notice you're wearing your Anthony Richardson shirt today.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I was just wearing my Colt shirt. It just happened
to have Richardson on the back. Yeah, okay, well, I
mean that's.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Good, right. I just listen that Jets game. I think
you just always go back to it, don't you.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
The Jets game, the New England game, where you know,
it's a got to have it drive, you gotta go
down and score a touchdown and whatever. It was like
sixteen plays you convert three different fourth downs?

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Was it Richardson or Flacco? That was in in Tennessee
when they got the huge play to Alec Pearce. That
was Flacco? What it was Flacco? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
And then the touchdown to Pittman in overtime to win it. Yeah,
that was Flacco.

Speaker 8 (41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I get why they're intrigued by it. I do. I
totally understand it. But at the same time, you know,
how long do you give it? And I think one
of the things that's going to be interesting as well.
And Chris Ballard led off today by talking about his
the close relationship, and I think it's it's it's valid,

(41:43):
you know. I mean with Jim Mersey's daughters that they've
been around and he has been a part of that,
and you know, he's had regular conversation with them. And
you know, because this is not like I mentioned this yesterday, Eddie,
I think we all hear about this. You see the
movie Tommy Boy.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Right, No.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
I ever seen Tommy Boy. I have not. Do you
like Farley?

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Like Chris Farley? Yeah? Sure, I've only seen a couple
of things that his is not a ton.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
So Tommy Boy, you know, basically he's like the guy
that's away at college for seven years and you know, wild,
party animal, et cetera. And then he's you with the
exception of the party part. And then he you know,
he basically inherits his dad's company. And I think that
they're with any business. And I'm saying this totally exclusive

(42:31):
of the Ursa daughters, but in any business, whether it
be an architecture firm or a pro sports franchise, whenever
the person who has been the long standing owner passes
away and then the second generation or in this case,

(42:52):
the third generation takes over, there is the assumption of, oh,
they got the phone call while they were living like
an aspen as a trust or traveling, you know, following
the dead, going up and down the coastlines of the
West Coast for Dead and Company and enjoying that and
living off the millions, and now all of a sudden
they're being called back to run the family business. There's
a stereotype of that. There's a there's an assumption of

(43:14):
that by a lot of people. I don't think that
is the clearly that's not the case here. I mean
we know that because they have been around, and I
think it was important for Chris Ballard for himself to
point that out. I don't think he was trying to
necessarily kiss up to the owner type thing or kiss
the ring. I think he was simply wanting to point out,

(43:35):
you know, hey, these are you know Carlie Ersay Gordon
in particular Carli Gordon. Yeah, Carli Ersay Gordon. You know,
she has been around a lot, She's been on the sideline,
she's been wearing the headsets. And as I mentioned yesterday,
I think that it would be very easy and it
has been for the last couple of years for people

(43:55):
to be like, why is the Jim Mersey's daughter like
walking around We're in headsets and carrying a clipboard And
people wanted to roll their eyes at that previously, But
now you look at it and say, you know, I'm
kind of glad that's the way it is, right because
what is going to be taking place that she is
now in charge of, that she has not herself observed,
I commend it, and I think that's simply what he

(44:18):
was trying to say. You know, hey, listen, the reality
is that this is how you know, this is somebody
that I have familiarity with and somebody that due to
that familiarity, I'm comfortable with the relationship here because there
is not the we all have had this where you
get the new boss, meet the new boss, same as

(44:40):
the old boss. But sometimes you get a new boss
and everybody's like, what do you think? What are you hearing? Like?
Are they going to bring in their own people? And
everybody gets all nervous. Then you got to meet the
new boss. You got to find out, you got to
feel them out, and you know, then everybody's asking us,
so what do you think of the new boss? Have
you heard? And I think Chris Ballard is wanting to
let people know, look, new boss is a lot like

(45:02):
the old boss in the fact that been around, not
that overly new and familiar and basically just promoted from
within essentially, is the easiest way to look at it.
But as the colts get ready to get into the
swing of things, as they get set to return to
the practice field tomorrow at ten am. There's something that

(45:24):
I wonder and about, and I'm very curious. I need
the pulse of the Colts fan base here. I need
audience participation on this because I have a survey question
for the masses.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Another good survey question, Jake, that could go along with yours.
Maybe is Chris Blind's voice white noise? At this point?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yes, I mean that's you're correct, like, yes, is it
the same thing that's falling on deaf ears now right?
Because it's kind of the same. Do they need a
new voice to get you invigorated? But there's something else
that happened that makes me wonder if people if white
noise is a very good way of saying it, if
it doesn't feel like you're on a treadmill. So I

(46:08):
need audience participation so that I can get the pulse
of the Colt's nation to make sure we're doing this right,
and then I have an idea of what people are
feeling before I go to Grand Park tomorrow. Two thir
nine ten seventy is the telephone number for that. I
will let you know what it is I'm thinking about
and that I worry about next. Okay, I need an

(46:30):
audience participation poll here because I have a legitimate question
that I'm curious about, and I thought about it last
night and today, and it's going to sound like I'm
trying to like create some sort of divisiveness.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I'm usually you know, I'm all encompassing type thing. But
here is my colt's question for the masses. This is
for the most part, and we've been lucky in this
town because we really have not had long periods of
complete void of excitement from a sports standpoint. Usually between

(47:14):
the two major sports franchises in town, one of the
two is playing at a very high level if the
other is not. For a long time, when the Colts
were finding their footing in the NFL, the Pacers were
rising and were really good. Then the Pacers had a
long period of mediocrity, at which point the Colts were

(47:36):
at their zenith, and then for a while there they
were both clicking at a very high rate. And then
obviously it became especially coming off of the Manning era,
and then into luck. I mean, this, without question was
an NFL Colts town. This had transferred to and I

(47:57):
don't know that it was ever first and foremost NBA town,
but it was certainly a basketball town, maybe collegiately more
than By the way, that cluster truck you got smells fabulous.
What what did you get? Exactly? Eddy?

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Korean barbecue salmon, Jake, that's been your go to, right,
I've had it twice now in the last three weeks.
I had the case of del last week. What body
of water in Korea? Do you think they find that salmon?
Are there a lot of streams in Korea?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
No?

Speaker 2 (48:23):
No, no, no, Jake, it's the barbecue sauce. Is a Korean
barbecue sauce. The salmon is the salmon.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
The salmon. No, it's it's it's a it's a barbecued
Korean salmon.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Right, it's salmon barb So where in Korea?

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Peppers? And so where in Korea are they getting the barbie?

Speaker 9 (48:39):
Cel?

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Is that north or south?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Looks like there's pepper and salt and some jasmine rice.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Very good stuff, all right. So here's my question. Now,
that the Pacers did what they did and got within
a whisker of an NBA title, Okay, does that in
any way, shape or form alter the enthusiasm that fans

(49:08):
have for the Colts season. I'm not saying that it's shifted,
and I'm not trying to create divide. There is somewhat,
I think a rivalry between the franchises locally, at least
competition for the headlines. And I know that they support
one another, and I know that Jim Mercey, like his
final tweet was about the Pacers playing the Knicks, and
I get all that, and I know that everybody wants

(49:31):
both franchises to do well. But does your excitement for
the Colts season get tempered in any way shape or form,
or altered in any way, shape or form because of
the high that you're coming off of for the Pacers
and how close the Pacers were to a title, and

(49:52):
then the reality of knowing how far the Colts theoretically
are away, because from the Pacers standpoint, like they made
it to the top of the mountain and then instantly
like they let go of the toe rope and slid
back down to you know, Camp base two, and you
know that it's going to be a while before they

(50:12):
get back up there. But nonetheless, they were there and
it was magical. But it's a reminder and it makes
you instantly realize how far away the Colts might be.
And then you think it reinforces or it recreates the
reality in your mind of like, man, look how far
it is to go, because they're I mean seemingly they're

(50:35):
in a division that is there for the taking. I mean,
I know, Houston is we think going to be good,
but are they We don't know how good?

Speaker 4 (50:44):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
And I'm just curious if the season seems to have
wind taken out of its sales because of the recency
by of how good the Pacers were. Did it almost
make the Colts? Did it de emphasize the excitement? I

(51:07):
think for a long time the Colts camp and the
Colts getting back on the playing field, we were super
stoked about it because it had been you know, oftentimes
three to four months before we've seen pro sports in
this town, and that was say a first round exit
or a miss of the playoffs by the Pacers. Now
there's so much interest and intrigue about the Pacers. Has

(51:28):
that taken away from what today is a report day?

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Like people are dreading the start of the Cult season
because they have low expectations.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah, dreading's probably the wrong word, but yes, to an extent, right,
does it feel like a more even more arduous task,
because you're like, oh man, you know, in other words,
you when you think about the injury, and then you
really stop and you're like, oh my gosh, they were
so close, and think about everything that had to happen,

(51:56):
and talking about Tyresee's injury. Yes, okay, and you're like,
and you know, they were so close and to be
that close and then realize and it takes like three
or four revisits in your mind to reinforce and realize
that their timeline was thrown off that much. And now

(52:19):
all of a sudden, you're like, oh man, so the
Pacers got to kind of pick up the pieces and
then move forward. And then you compare that to the
Colts and you're like, wait a minute, they were never
even there to begin with, and they've kind of been
doing any I think you made a very good point there,
the white noise of like, in all honesty, the Chris
Ballard press conference today, same old bleep, different year. If

(52:43):
we put a pulled up the recording of that from
twenty nineteen, would it have been how different would it
have been? The names would have been different, but would
the line, the company line have been different? It would
have been like the same old thing, right, and so
does it feel like because we finally saw a breakthrough

(53:03):
progress on one side of downtown, does it feel like
you're stuck in the mud with the other one.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I mean, the players certainly should be in the mindset of, hey,
look what this city did for the pacers and how
they backed them and surrounded them and supported them. Like,
if they're willing to do that for them, they can
certainly do that for us. We've got to, you know,
we got to get our bleep together for the fans

(53:29):
and for the city.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Okay, let me ask you this question. I asked somebody
this earlier. In your kitchen right now, Eddie, I want
you to envision your kitchen.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Okay, visioning Heck, I can pull it up right now.
If you're likening. How many we've got a camp?

Speaker 4 (53:40):
How many?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
How many kitchen drawers do you have? Five? Uh? Six?

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Six? Okay, now I think the far left. You open
that up. That's you got utensils in one of them. Right,
you're four far right? Okay, far right. The next to
that one, okay, you open that up. What's in there?
Maybe an oven mid or two next to that one? Yeah, okay,
Then then give me. The third what's in a third one?

(54:10):
I think we've got the like a container lids. Okay,
I'm very organized, Jake, Okay. Then the fourth what do
you have that would be uh, the containers okay? And
then fifth if we're at last or second words bags
like plastic bags, that type of stuff. Now here's here's
where I'm getting with this, Okay. Then you get to

(54:31):
number six when you open that drawer and it probably
squeaks half the time. It doesn't open because something is
like higher up than it needs to be. And you
open it up and you look in that drawer and
it's got two sharpies. It's the giant drawer, a tape measurer,
a roll of tape, some random band aid, and like, uh,
a phone charger from a phone you had three generations ago. Right,

(54:55):
It's just like eclectic crap thrown in there, and it
feels like in the NFL. Nice the NFL, that's what
the AFC South is, right, a click thick crap. The
AFC South is the junk drawer of the NFL. Right, Yeah,
to the rest of the league. You open it up
and you're like, this is this jaguar And then the

(55:16):
Texans they're like an expansion, but they're kind of not.
They've been around a while, but they can't get it
in the right direction. And then the Titans, I don't
know what they're doing. And then there's the Colts. And
yet with that division, with the in being in the
junk drawer Division, nobody in that division when they win
the division and gets into the playoffs, none of them
do anything. I mean, the Titans went randomly to an

(55:38):
AFC title game with Ryan Tannehill cool. The Jaguars randomly
went to an AFC title game with Blake Bortles cool.
Outside of that, each of them get their turn of
the rotation. They get picked out of the crowd, and
the price is right to come down and spin the
big wheel, and they they spin it and they get
on ninety five cents, and instead of taking that, they
spin it again and they hit ninety five cents again.
If I had done Drew Carry is like, thanks for playing,

(55:58):
You're gone right every time?

Speaker 10 (56:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
And yet with that, every other team in the division
has won the division twice since Indianapolis last won it.
So is there a feeling for the fan base of
what are we doing here? I just squeeze in, Jeff,
real quick before we get to Steven Holder. Jeff, what's up?

Speaker 9 (56:21):
Hey? How you doing? I wanted to solve your All
Star Game conundrum? And it's really simple, and uh it's
it's simply go back to East versus West and predominantly
the fan bo.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Now hold on All Star Game now. And I don't
mean to be rude.

Speaker 9 (56:39):
What's n B A, w n B A and w
NBA even Major League Baseball you can throw it in
there too.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
When were we When When were we? And I'm not
saying we didn't, because you know I'm old. When were
we having the debate on this?

Speaker 9 (56:51):
Well, you're talking about you've talked about how the All
Star Game is a bunch of gimmicks, and you know,
just there's no skin in the game, and I think
we should put skin in the game. And that skin
being in you go East versus West, mostly mostly fan votes,
and then whoever wins the All Star Game gets home
court advantage for the finals.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Didn't they do that? Major League Baseball did that?

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Right? Did?

Speaker 9 (57:12):
I don't know. I don't fallow baseball as most of basketball, but.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Major League Baseball did do that, Jeff. For they did
it for what Eddie Pye a handful of years and
then they did away with it. It's funny, Jeff, because
I don't disagree with you, but when the Major League
Baseball All Star Game dead, it of course it was
in the middle. You know, it's in the middle of
the season like the NBA is exactly at that time,
people liked it. And then I can't remember what. You know,

(57:35):
there was some team one year that didn't have as
much representation in the All Star Game and then they
got robbed of home court or home field advantage despite
being the far better team. I get it, right, I
totally get it.

Speaker 9 (57:45):
If you look at the NBA and the w NBA,
most of the players on that court have skin in
the game. They all think they're going to make the playoffs,
and you would have a competitive game, you would have defense,
you would have something skin in the game, and that
would bring back fan interest and they means a lot more.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Listen, certainly I don't disagree with you, Jeff, certainly on
the men side of things in the NBA too, that
the lack of defense is. I mean, it's just, you know,
it's nothing but and it's an unbelievable display of athleticism
for like five minutes, and then after that it's just like,
what are we doing? You know what I mean? You
believe it or not, And it's crazy to think that.
Like a guy doing a bounce pass from ninety four
feet away to a guy that is swooping in from

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twenty feet all via the air, that's doing two cartwheels
in the air and then dunking. It gets tiresome, but
it does after you've seen it, like five times. Stephen
Holder was out at Grand Park in Westfield, joins us. Next,
you gonna find out what's going on out at Grand
Park with Stephen Holder, who joins us and has surrendered
his personal life as he knows it for the next

(58:43):
four months, joins us. Now on the guest line, I
can hear the Are you at the Masters? It sounds
like you're at Augusta Nationals. I hear Birdie's chirping. Sounds
very peaceful.

Speaker 10 (58:54):
Stephen, Oh no, not even close. I wish what's still fine?
It's fine?

Speaker 1 (59:03):
So you're still that Grand Park? Is that right?

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Just left, just left, just round the corner?

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Yeah, okay, fair enough, All right, let's begin with this
early well from a health standpoint and Obviously I'm going
from afar because I got in here right as things
were kind of getting both you know, settled in from
report day and then Chris Ballard speaking. But from what
I was able to tell, there were no reports of

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significant injury or miss time, although Zire Franklin is going
to be a spectator for a while, anything else that
I missed.

Speaker 10 (59:37):
No, that's the encouraging thing I'd say. Uh, Anthony Richardson
first off is obviously the big one, you know, as
I as I said or wrote last week, are indicated
he's he's good to go. According to Chris Ballard, there
may be some restriction on him in terms of how
many throws they're going to chart his throw so that

(59:58):
you know, they don't have any setback there, but they
don't have any concerns according to their evaluation, so that's good.
Sire Franklin is the one I think to watch. He
has had an off season ankle surgery and he's still
not cleared to practice, but Chris Ballard said it won't
be very long, so we will see how that goes

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and see if that proves to be true. Otherwise, they're
they're pretty good. They're in good shape. And nobody's going
to go on the puplist. They won't have any of those,
and they normally have at least a couple. They won't
have that this year. Sampson epucom at defensive end. He
missed last season, as you know with the the Achilles tier.

(01:00:42):
He's cleared, so they feel good about that as well.
So yeah, that's the that's the good news.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
On Day one, Stephen Chris Ballard spent about thirty minutes
answering questions talking with the media. Admittedly, and I'm a
little I go back and forth on this Steven. I
think he's in a tough spot to an extent in
terms of seting out that it's his goal to satisfy
media or fans. But if he comes out and says, look,
I think I'm thrilled about our roster. I think we're

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going to be great. I'm ready for the year. We're
gonna be competitive, we're gonna be tough, then everybody's gonna go,
what is this guy talking about? He says the same
thing every year, and yet he comes out and I
thought was a little more humble, a little more realistic
than in years past. And so then we want to
torch him for saying he knows his team in very
good So it's a little bit of a double edged sword.

(01:01:32):
Your interpretation of I guess the mood and the approach
from Chris Ballard versus years past.

Speaker 10 (01:01:38):
Was what, Well, first of all, what I think the
thing to point out is I fear. I think the
thing to point out is I think he knows and
I would agree with this. I think he believes, Chris
Ballard that they have a good roster, a top the bottom.
I think that's been true for quite some time, better

(01:02:00):
this year than last year. I thought last year he
left too many holes on defense. But generally speaking, they
have a strong roster and they have for quite some time.
The problem is they just can't get it together at quarterback. Well,
what distinguishes your team from the next NFL it's the
freaking quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:02:17):
So, now that is a tough thing to navigate. When
you're asked, well, why aren't you guys winning more? Well,
the answer you want to be honest and say, well
because we sucked at quarterback, But that also oversimplified and
it sounds like you're trying to dodge responsibility when you
say that. Right, So he is in a tough spot sometimes,

(01:02:39):
there's no question about that. I think he understands that.
And he's very perceptive, Chris Ballard. He gets it, like
he knows he understands optics, he knows how to read
a room, all those things. He's very smart. So he
was very careful in what he says. I would say,
in terms of the difference between this year and then
the past, I think that not a ton of difference,

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except to say I think that there was more attention
paid by him and his players today to the fact
that they haven't been in the postseason for too long.
He even said, he said, this is the longest in
my career I've gone without being in the playoffs and
anywhere he's worked as a GM or not. I'm talking
about throughout his career, even as a scout. So it's

(01:03:26):
very it's very top of mind for him, and like,
even if he doesn't talk about it all the time,
it's hitting him in the face every single day. And
I think he understands that, and I thought he he
shed a little bit of light on that with that comment.
So that was interesting and I thought notable.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
You know, when you when you look at the Anthony
richards and Daniel Jones situation. I thought he spent more
time Chris Baller did, and maybe it's because it's the
guy he knows more so to speak, and he brought
in both. But I thought he he was asked for
about Richardson. I get that, but he's seen to go
far more and more in detail about expectation and et

(01:04:05):
cetera of Anthony Richardson than Daniel Jones. But you were there.
Am I misinterpreting what I heard?

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:04:13):
I think that's fair, And I would also add he
was asked far more questions about Anthony Richardson because I
do think that that's where the questions exist, right, I mean,
can Anthony Richardson figure this out and hold on to
his job? Daniel Jones, while there are questions about how
it's going to go with him, I think it's more.

(01:04:36):
I think people have an expectation in their mind of
how he'll perform and what he'll be, and with Anthony Richardson,
it's a little more wide open, I guess, you know.
So the questions were certainly more geared toward Anthony Richardson,
no question about that, and so the feedback was as well.
I would also say, though he certainly is. I think

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he would argue Chris Balace more invested in Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Frankly, they all are.

Speaker 10 (01:05:01):
I mean, if Daniel Jones comes in and wins the
job and play is sort of like just okay, they've
not accomplished anything.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:05:11):
If Anthony Richardson wins the job and plays at a
decent level, that actually is something to hang your hat on,
because that's progress.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:05:20):
So I just think they there's an understanding, certainly by
Chris Ballard, whose job as GM is to look at
the big picture, there's an understanding that like, if they're
going to figure out the quarterback situation, Anthony Richardson having
a good season could be a step.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Toward that, right. So anyway, I just.

Speaker 10 (01:05:36):
I just imagine that's kind of some of the thoughts
that kind of go through his head and are informing
his answers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
You know, Stephen, I was asking his earlier and I'm
what your thought on it. Does the success of the
Pacers in any way take away wind out of the
sales of the Colts season, because it's in other words,
we see one team in town that was at the
top of the mountain and the whole city falls in

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love with it, and everybody loves the Colts too. It
don't get me wrong. I mean, you know, I'm not
saying that. But then the contrast, because it's in such
an immediacy, because we're coming right off of it, does
it make it difficult do you think for the fan
base to push all in this early, knowing how far
away the franchise may be based on what they just saw.

(01:06:29):
Did we lose Stephen Eddie? Okay, Steven, I don't know
how much of that you got. By the way, when
I was asking about does the success of the Pacers
in any way? And I know people that love the
Pacers love the Colts. I mean, I get it right,
But does having the recency of a team at the
highest level make it difficult for a fan base? Do
you think to completely buy in right now to the

(01:06:50):
training camp of the Colts.

Speaker 10 (01:06:54):
Well, first off, by the way, it turns out, if
you hit the red button on the screen, the call disconnect.
It's amazing. I didn't know that, so that was my
fault on the disconnection. Anyway, as it relates to the Patris,
it's an interesting question. I would say. I would say
this though, The first thing I'd say is that watching

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that Patriots run and being there for some of it
and experiencing it and watching how the city embraced them,
it was a reminder for me as someone who covers football.
It was a reminder for me just how long it's
been since the Colts provided any of that. Okay, it's
been a long time, And that's just a really hard

(01:07:40):
thing to swallow. If you're a Colts fan, you know,
you invest a lot of emotion, a lot of time,
a lot of money in cases into that team and
to not get anything out of it those feelings that
you go searching for as a fan, that's a hard
thing to swallow. So I guess that that's where I

(01:08:00):
come down on it. Is just like you want a
return on investment for what you put into it as
a fan. And I'm not even talking about money. Even
if you never buy a ticket, you're still investing your
heart and your emotions in that team, you know, because
you give something of yourself to support your favorite team
and you've got nothing to show for it. If you're

(01:08:21):
a Colts fan and a very long time, that's a
tough thing, man, That's a very tough thing. So I
just think that the Pacers offered a reminder of what
it's like to get a payoff for that. And if
you're a Colts fan, you're wondering, well, where's where's the
payoff for me?

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
So that's what that's what I say about it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
How far off do you think they are?

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
Well, you know, I think they are. They are a
team in the AFC that is kind of middle of
the pack. And the question on whether they can go
further than that is a quarterback question, right, and the
quarterback has to elevate the team beyond what it currently is.

(01:09:09):
And in any team, right, I mean, if you take
the top quarterbacks off of their teams, then what kind
of team are they?

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
What are the Buffalo Bills If.

Speaker 10 (01:09:17):
You take Josh Allen off and replace them with Daniel Jones, Well,
they're just probably a middle of the pack team, you know,
And I think that's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
That's just where they are.

Speaker 10 (01:09:27):
And so when you ask me where do they stand
and where are they're you know, what is the the
end game for the Colts? I think they're a team
that's that's in the middle of the pack. You can't
go five hundred anymore because of the unbalanced schedule at
seventeen games, but they're essentially a five hundred team that
can be more depending on the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
It just feels any reasons. I mean, they're in it.
I mentioned in earlier, they're in a division that's basically
the drunk the junk drawer of the NFL. Right, yeah, yeah,
good enough.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Look, I'm not saying it's good enough. It's not, but
that's what they are.

Speaker 10 (01:10:05):
They're a five hundred team, roughly a five hundred team
that could be better if they have better quarterback play.
But the odds of them having that elevated quarterback play
they aren't good, right, because neither quarterback has done that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Neither of the two quarterbacks they have have done that.
So where does that leave them?

Speaker 10 (01:10:22):
That leaves them eight and nine, nine and eight and
sitting at home in January, And that's not good enough.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Stephen Holder is our guest ESPN dot com, where you
can read his work and of course you'll see him
on ESPN as well. All right, tomorrow ten o'clock, everything
gets underway. How long Stephen into the camp do we
go before we start really taking a hyper look at
exactly who's getting the most snaps at quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
Oh tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:10:54):
I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit, but there's gonna
be a lot of scrutiny. We are going to be
looking at every indicator. And to that end, Chris Ballard
said today, he says everything matters, every rep, every practice,
every game snap, every preseason game snap. He was very clear,

(01:11:16):
it all matters and it will all factor into the decision.
So I will take my cues from the general manager
and pay attention to all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
How much of it comes into steven? How much will
factor in just on for example, if they invested a
first round picking Tyler Warren and we know he's going
to be or expect that he's going to be a
very good player right away. Let's say Anthony Richardson is
hitting Ady Mitchell and Alec Pearson stride on every play,
but he can't hit Tyler Warren in the intermediary to
save his life. How much of who it is that

(01:11:47):
he is able to help or hurt goes into the
factor in the decision, if you will. If Daniel Jones,
for example, is spoon feeding Tyler Warren on the regular
but can't go over twenty four yards accuracy, you see
what I'm saying there, like like, is there one player
that they go but we need to prioritize this guy

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in involvement.

Speaker 10 (01:12:12):
I don't think that'll be a basis for the decision.
Now I would say no, but I but I do
think the scenario you pointed out, the scenario you painted
is not out of the question. You know, how they
how they evaluate all that we will see. But but
but I do think that's that's a reality when you
have two quarterbacks that are different. The one thing I'd

(01:12:33):
say Chris Pawler did make this statement, and I tend
to agree. He said their quarterbacks this season are a
little more similar than in the past. So for example,
last year you had Anthony Richardson and Joe Flacco. They
have nothing in common. Okay, in terms of stylistically, they
don't have anything in common. I think if you go
back to Anthony and Gardner Minshew for example, right, what

(01:12:58):
do they have in commonically?

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Nothing? Right?

Speaker 10 (01:13:01):
So this year, while I know we don't think of
Daniel Jones in that way, he is a guy who
can use his legs and uses athleticism, get out of
the pocket, can can do quarterback runs. So they have
some commonalities this year, so maybe it'll.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Be less so when it comes to the.

Speaker 10 (01:13:22):
Disparity between how they play, but I do think there's there.
They are different in terms of explosiveness, There's no question
about that, and Daniel Jones has not been that guy
in his career.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
All right, Tomorrow ten until eleven o'clock practice underway. We
will be out there live tomorrow, by the way, from
twelve until three. Steven Holder will have it all covered
as well as well. Obviously the morning guys, Kevin and
James be out there as well. Steven appreciate it as always,
all right, enjoy the by the way, I is it
really hot outside? Is it gonna be? It's gonna be
hot tomorrow, right, plenty of liquids.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Today was nice. Today was nice, but it's it's gonna
be burning up later this week, so.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Okay, I got that to look forward to it, all right,
Steven appreciate it all right, Steven Holder joining us on
the program. By the way, I'll address this just because
everybody is asking about it now, Okay, about Scott agneson earlier,
and I'll address it. Maybe I shouldn't, but I will.
I Like Scott agnes I've known Scott Agnes since he

(01:14:21):
was in high school, and you know, he obviously attended
the same high school as I went through the same
programs as I. We have a lot of common threads
for sure. I mean I like Scott a great deal.
I have no ill will on Scott Agnes at all,
and I respect greatly the work that he does and
the grinding that he does. After working for the Athletic
and the Pacers both and now doing his own thing

(01:14:42):
with Fieldhouse Files and when people go out on their
own as he has done with that website, I have
a tremendous respect for that, and I've always felt that it,
you know, it's kind of the duty, I guess, to
try to to promote those things because people like local,
they like you know, they like to buy local, they

(01:15:03):
like to shop local. And I have a great deal
of respect for the work that he does, and I
think he does a very very good job in covering
the Pacers, and certainly when it comes to the fever,
I don't know that anybody knows that or covers it
better than Scott, without question. I also have an understanding
and respect for and look, I've known Pat McAfee since
he was a rookie. So matter of fact, when I
worked with Derek Schultz, we had to do is pretty funny.

(01:15:27):
When Derek and I I think it was our first
year on the radio when we were doing the Query
and Schultz program, and right before we started, we started
like in August, and that September the Colt season got underway.
This and they and the sales department over there had
sold for us to do a weekly two hour Colts

(01:15:48):
show from the casino up in Anderson, which is I
mean awesome, right, and we're like, that's awesome, But getting
players to commit to on their off day coming to
Anderson to then do a two hour radio show is
a big enough challenge. But that was the year that
that Peyton Manning got hurt and they did Kerry Collins
for like two or three games and then turned it

(01:16:08):
over to Dana Orlovsky and Curtis Painter and you know
the whole Josh Freeman and whatever else, and they I
think they started zero to twelve something like that. So
then getting players for that good luck, right, I mean,
like no player wanted to talk about anything, And Derek
and I both were like, you know, the punter guy
is really funny and we ended up doing I think
it was the final six or eight weeks with McAfee

(01:16:31):
and have been friends ever since. I mean, I've got
to get along with McAfee a great deal. I don't
see him as much, but when he was when we
were at WNDE and he was launching his podcast thing
he was doing, he was recording all of that from
inside the Bob and Tom studios. So I saw him
almost daily and would see him every year annually at

(01:16:52):
a party that takes place just before the holidays, and
occasionally still text with him. And when I see him,
I'm always on good terms with mcafe. I've always Pat
and we've always gotten a loong well. I have nothing
against Pat personally in any way, shape or form, and
am most impressed, and you know, continue to be amazed
at the empire that he has built. In total credit

(01:17:13):
to him, no question, and he's a massive entertainer and
he's incredibly plugged in and informed. However, professionally speaking, while
I don't in any way, shape or form pretend that
this little Dog and Pony show competes with that level
of power, the reality is that within this local market,

(01:17:36):
we are making just like Pat McAfee is a pie
and asking people to come and take a slice of it,
and we are on it the exact same time. So
while I understand that in today's era of people going
back and listening in podcast forms to things, and you
know a lot of people don't watch or ingest things live,
but nonetheless, when we are on the radio, this is

(01:17:57):
still one format that is primarily served to and ingested
in a live format, notably people in a car or
at a workplace on a computer. So in that capacity,
while I understand and respect that Pat McAfee has very
engaging in interesting guests and content, I also am under
the understanding that that is happening during the time that we,

(01:18:21):
as the only of the shows in this radio station,
are up against that, and that that is an option
for people to go to aside from listening to this one.
And I'm most grateful for those that choose to listen
to this radio show each day and our local programming.
And I understand that a lot of what McAfee show
is doing is speaking on a national platform, talking about

(01:18:41):
the bills or the UFC or the Washington Nationals, whatever
it might be, But nonetheless it is still each day.
My responsibility to try to make sure that people are
listening to this radio station and this program, even though
I have no ill will towards any of those people
and get along with all of them. I mean, we're

(01:19:03):
all in this group and this what we do. There's
only so many of us in the hopper, right And
even though McAfee is on a national stage, he's locally based,
so we still intermix and see each other, you know,
on a regular as well as Agnes. A couple of
months ago or so, at some point when when Scott
was on, he made reference to something that was taking

(01:19:23):
place in that moment over on ESPN, and so I
messaged Pat Scott and just said, hey, listen, I think
you'll understand this, but if you could do me the
favor when we do have you on, try not to
mention something that is counterprogramming us. That's what it is.
It's counter programming, you know that is that that is

(01:19:44):
an option for people elsewhere. And he said, hey, I
totally get it. I apologize whatever. And I mentioned it
to him one other time. So today when I had
him on, and yes, I was well aware of the
fact that Tyrese Haliburton was on speaking for the first
time since his injury with Pat Live against what counter programming?
What we're doing again on the global scale, are they comparative?

(01:20:07):
Of course not, but locally speaking to an extent, it
is I have to compete for every person that I
can get. So I thought about messaging Scott and just saying, hey,
I'm aware that Tyresee was on with McFee just if
you will, don't mention it. But I have mentioned that
on numerous occasion before, so when as I always feel

(01:20:30):
it is important and respectful and professional to do. Oftentimes
I didn't do it with Stephen there, but I usually
do do this, especially if it's somebody that is doing
something on their own, with on their own building their
own brand. Literally, every time that Scott comes on, I
usually say what are you working on with Fieldhouse Files?

(01:20:51):
When Bob Kravitz comes on, I will say what sort
of things are upcoming at Bob Kravitz dot com because
I want to give them the opportunity to promote their work.
So when I threw it to Scott to promote his work,
I took exception to the fact that in that moment
he mentioned what was counter programming Exactly what we were doing,
because if I was listening to that, my first reaction

(01:21:12):
would have been, oh, gosh, I want to hear what
Haliburton has to say and go away from what I'm
listening to, which I totally understand and respect that people
would do. I totally understand that, totally respect it. So
I just didn't feel that it was prudent considering it
something that on more than one occasion I requested not
be done as a fair trade off for me promoting
what he's doing, that's all. And if people took exception

(01:21:34):
to the way I handled it, that's fine. When you're
in this job sometimes and we are paid to be
able to handle the arrows that fly past us, and
more often than not, I'm pretty proud of the way
I do it, and in that one I probably would
do it the same again if it happens again, So
I apologize if it bothered you, We'll get back into
the Colts camp and let you hear a couple of
things that Chris Ballard had to say. We'll do it
on the other side. I guess it is fitting that

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Ozzy Osbourne's final show would have been that tribute with
Black Sabbath and one of the most prolific entertainers and
performers of his era, passing away today at the age
of seventy six. Ozzy Osbourne, of course, the lead for
Black Sabbath and a career that I'm sure John will

(01:22:23):
absolutely take a look back on as well. And it's
interesting to me because Ozzy Osbourne is one of those
that certainly at his apex. And maybe part of this
is an age bias because of the age that I
was when Black Sabbath, for example, was at its peak

(01:22:44):
and Ozzy was transitioning into a solo career. But Ozzy
Osbourne was one that almost became, you know, a caricature
to an extent of you know, the hardcore heavy metal musician.

(01:23:05):
And obviously the famous story of biting the head off
the you know some say bat bird whatever you know,
whichever it may have been, his arrest at the Alamo
in San Antonio, the the drunken debauchery it goes without saying,
and then the undercurrent of the subliminal messaging within the

(01:23:26):
lyrics of his music and et cetera. If you were
from the outside I mean, and not necessarily like a
diehard fan in that moment of that band and then
I think the thing for a lot of people, and
perhaps myself included, that really relaunched him is the wrong word,
because he was never out of the pop cultural mainstream

(01:23:49):
by any stretch of the imagination. But Ozzy Osbourne, I
think reinventing to an extent from bad boy musician to
lovable and you had empathy towards family man that was
trying to recapture what his almost recklessness of his younger

(01:24:13):
years had nearly cost him, and by that I mean
his family life, certainly his marriage and his health. If
you look at the reality show of Ozzy Osbourne, which
was fabulous, and just seeing the daily life of not
only Ozzy Osbourne, but his relationship with Sharon Osbourne, who
defines patience and forgiveness and grace throughout their relationship, that

(01:24:38):
with his children, and then you saw, I guess, because
you finally saw behind the curtain, you indeed saw the
almost caricature nature of him on stage, and I think
that that created an awareness for all of us about

(01:25:00):
the fact that sometimes you just despite what you think,
you don't always know people. You know you think you do,
but you don't always know people and what they're truly like,
and he went from somebody that I think was just
larger than life to suddenly one that we actually kind
of could all relate to. And you know, Parkinson's is

(01:25:21):
the ultimately what Ozzy Osbourne fell victim to. But you know,
you want to talk about a life lived fast and
his when he went into solo that song that you
just heard, Mama, I'm Coming Home and then you know,
road to Nowhere. You know, he had I think in
his solo career into the early nineties, kind of a

(01:25:43):
softer side of him came out and that parlayed into
a softer side that we saw as well. But I
know for a lot of people that were fans of that,
I can tell you Shannon P. Walsh, being the queen
of it all, is the biggest Ozzy Osbourne AquaNet like
headbanger of them all. And there are a lot of

(01:26:06):
people that will more in the passing of one of
rock's true, true lead, legendary frontman and Ozzy Osbourne. We'll
come back. We'll hand it off to John. But I
did want to play you a couple of Chris Ballard
clips as well. On the other side, So Chris Ballard,
I almost said Kevin Ballard. Chris Ballard talked today out
at Colts camp and addressed a number of different things,

(01:26:30):
notably talking about Anthony richardson the quarterback position. Again, if
you're just joining us, He did not mention anybody. He
said that nobody was going to start out on the
pup list. Sire Franklin was a possibility after ankle surgery,
but Zire Franklin is good to go. He did have
the following to say about the Colts in terms of
what has become, unfortunately the norm, and that is missing

(01:26:53):
the playoffs. Chris Ballard on that subject.

Speaker 7 (01:26:55):
Yeah, it sucks, man.

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
I mean, first time my career ever gone four years
without making I mean, no, it's a it's a bothersome thing,
especially with the expectations we have here in Indye. I mean,
that's the one thing with Jim that always appreciated man like,
he don't want to be he don't want to be average,
wants to be great. And that's Carly carl and I

(01:27:18):
I mean, look, we you know, we spent a lot
of time together because she's around us so much, but
I mean she always take, Look, I don't want to
be good, I want to be great. And you know
that's always the goal going in and you know, twenty
two was twenty two. You know, the twenty three season,
we you know, last game of the year, we're right there.
And even last year at the end, you know, we

(01:27:41):
didn't play as like as good as I thought we
should have, but we were still kind of in the mix.

Speaker 7 (01:27:45):
And then you go back to twenty.

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
One and we're in the driver's seat and we piss
it down our legs that that's we have got to
finish better like that at the end of the day,
we have to finish the seasons better because we've had
some really good football teams that haven't got it done.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
So some of that does sound familiar. But then the
other question for Chris Ballad would be this, and that
is just how close then are they to making the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (01:28:09):
I think we've got a good football team, and how
good we become will play out over time.

Speaker 7 (01:28:14):
Like we got to go to work.

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
I mean, it's always about the like there's not a
magic pill that you can take. There's nothing, No, there's
not a magic wand you got to go to work.
You know, one thing you love about the NFL is
you got to earn your you got to earn the
right to win, and it takes a lot of hard
work and takes a group being connected and coming together.

Speaker 7 (01:28:37):
That's what's great about training camp.

Speaker 6 (01:28:39):
So kind of day by day we'll go to work
and we'll see if we can reach what we think
we can be.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
I just think Eddie, you said it best. You summarize
it best when you said, is it becoming white noise?
I'm I don't dislike Chris Ballard, but at the same time,
I think I speak for a lot of people in saying,
at some point, you've got to start seeing the results, right.
I mean, it does feel like it's just the same,

(01:29:12):
you know. Doesn't it feel like you could play clips
from last year or three years ago or five years
ago and it would be the same thing, you know
what I mean? Yeah, like it just the the whole
thing of you know, we're close, We're not close. We man,

(01:29:34):
it sucks, you know, I got to do a better job.
I mean, just for example, when he talks about the
defense and he's like, we got to be better tacklers.
I mean, that's like saying our point guards need to
be better passers, you know what I mean. I mean
things like that I think the thing that becomes frustrating

(01:29:54):
and frustrates the fan base is the fact that a
lot of what the Colts apologize for is oftentimes what
it is that we have been trying to point out
for a long time. And and so when you point
something out and you're told, no, that's not right, No,
that's not right. I know better than you, I know

(01:30:16):
better than you. And then it's you know what, Actually
it's this, and you're like, well, wait a minute, that's
that's kind of what I said. Eventually, I think that
wears out with people. But again, new season, clean slate,
right are we?

Speaker 7 (01:30:29):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
I gotta I gotta bring a packhake?

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
I gotta have it on the I need to get
it on our hockey page.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Our hockey page, Hot to keep page, or.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
You know, it's where the breaking news standard, your awful analogy,
your brain drops. Oh and of course my personal favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
On by the way, this from Paula Baaleman, who I
saw a bar naked ladies, not a strip club at
the concert sixty two, sixty nine and one. He can't
hide anymore. But we've been saying that for a while though, right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
But hey, is it this time of the year where
we need to have this on the ready at all times.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Yes, yeah, clean, some think up right, that's exactly right.
Shane Steichen's favorite phrase, got to clean it up, baby,
got to clean it up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
And then later in the year be like we got
to work that out. So we had the jackhammer the
that's right, Well, that one will have to work itself out.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
The I'm telling you the over the course of the year,
I'm curious to see how long people's patience, you know, goes.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
I don't have to go back and listen to that.
But we got a well look, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Chris Ballard, we all have our catchphrases, our quirks, no
crutch words, phrases are crutch phrases. Yeah, that we rely
on too much. We all do. I mean I do
as well. I have it when I broadcast races, you know,
car links, that kind of thing. I mean, we all
have it. But Chris Ballard's absolutely is look, yeah, look

(01:32:05):
we got a da da da. Look we got a
da da da. You know always you know what I mean,
Like virtually every answer he gives is that Eddie. You
were named after Eddie van Halen, Correct, Yes, I was,
so does that mean that your parents were fans of
that genre. In other words, are your parents, for example,
fans of Ozzy Osbourne?

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
I think so, I think my dad certainly. I'm not
so sure on my mom if she was or is
or not?

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
So. What about Three Dog Knight? Because we have tickets
to give away for Three Dog Knight that the Who's
Your Lottery Free Stage at the Indiana State Fair taking
place on August the first, August the first, we will
give them away to call her number five since Anthony
Richardson was a topic today, call her number five Jersey
number five, two, three, nine, ten seventy if you would
like to go see three Dog Night? If the Who's
Your Lottery Free Stage? We have a four pack of

(01:32:52):
tickets to give away for the Indiana State Fair August first.
JMV is in John can I.

Speaker 8 (01:32:57):
I'm doing the Jammie takeover from I'm a State Fair
in the tap room.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Was gonna be all Ozzy Osbourne?

Speaker 10 (01:33:02):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (01:33:02):
This weekend probably will be a lot now, I'm sure
a big SkyPoint that's significant in music history right there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
He's the creator.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Of heavy metal? Is he not huge?

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
Yeah? Keep him?

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
Yeah? I mean he And here's what's interesting, John, And
you tell me you might disagree with me on this,
but I was just saying, like when when Ozzy Osbourne
was at at his apex with Black Sabbath, Yeah, it
was the and I don't even know what you would
satanic is the wrong word, right, but like a cult.
It was like this music of the cult. I was like,

(01:33:33):
I was scared of it. Was exactly what I was
going to say when I was little, I was like
scared of it. Right, it was like, oh my.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Gosh, I didn't want to look at the bark of
the moon.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
That is exactly correct. That is exactly correct. And then
certainly in the early nineties with Road to Nowhere, And
you know, I think Sharon Osborn gets a lot of
credit here, but he he morphed into in his solo
career and then into the reality show a very likable,
almost sympathetic figure.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:33:57):
Oh, I mean it is in a way we have
seen both Snoop Dogg and Ice Cube morph into something
that they did not at all start out being in
our minds.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Right, That's exactly I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:34:09):
And that's just I think what's with maturity and age, right,
and also with opportunity to make money so maturity and age.
I'm not morphing into anything. I'm still twelve years old.
But no, it's it's a significant deal. What's your favorite
Ozzie song?

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
I love actually, Mama, I'm coming home to your favorite?

Speaker 8 (01:34:28):
Yeah, I think it's yeah, I'll mark at the Moon,
Crazy Train, shot in the Dark.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
What did you play the other?

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
No more Tears. No More Tears is a great one.
You played a Black Sabbath song on the takeover this,
I think because Shannon was Shannon says, and I quote,
We're in the car and she goes, this is it
right here? This is the Ozzy's the best. Ozzy is
the absolute best, and so I so I got a
videotape and said, it's a John.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
She says, no, my hair doesn't look good. Yeah, so
she's worried that her hair didn't lok good.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
Enough for him.

Speaker 8 (01:34:57):
Then that was his most at least with being popular
on the charts. He and Leada Ford. Yeah, that song
Closed your Eyes Forever. It was probably the most popular. Mama,
I'm coming home. It's probably up there too, but I'm
sure that that duet would lead a Ford is probably
on the top of the list.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Mama, I'm coming home, if I'm not mistaken. Was about
him returning to Sharon Osbourne in like good faith, right
and in good standing with her.

Speaker 8 (01:35:21):
Mister Crowley, great song. He's got a lot man biting
head off a bat. So that was des Moines Iowa,
was it not back? And didn't he any one?

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
There have been a lot of conflicting stories on that,
but allegedly didn't he He thought it was rubber or
he didn't realize it was real.

Speaker 8 (01:35:38):
He did not know it was a real bat until
he had decapitated it with his teeth.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
Brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Yeah, he surely he would have had to have gotten
like Raby shots and stuff, right.

Speaker 8 (01:35:46):
I would have to think that that's really not hygienic
at all, not a good Laura Steele is going to
join me today at four point thirty and because we're
going to talk a little bit about obviously Brickyard this
weekend and and her her stuff at Bullseyeould the Colts.
But you know she is a rock music person around here.
A little bit about Ozzy with Laura a mutual friend

(01:36:06):
of ours.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
What else is on the Big Show?

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
John?

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
I think great Straw.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
I think Mark VanderMeer I think Mike.

Speaker 8 (01:36:12):
Drocco and we should go go from there. What are
you out at Colts Camp tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
What do you got in the bag here from cluster truck?

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
What's the chief Caseadilla? Nice? It's fabulous.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
I'll get get back on the salmon track.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
That's what I go in off the rails on the
salmon track.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
I have the Korean barbecue salmon exquisite.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
Yeah, what squiz that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
He says, the Korean barbecue salmon. Oh, there is exquisite.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Yeah, Korean barbecue salmon.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
It's salmon, the Korean barbecue sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Yeah. We did two.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Uh caught up on yesterday too, Jacins. We didn't give
hi away.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Kevin and Roberts. Kevin and Robert, you're on your way.
Three dog night. John's up next. We will be back
with you at noon tomorrow. I think if you're listening
to Quarry Company,

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