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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There are certain things, probably a lot of things, to
be honest with you, that I will wonder whether or
not my brain because I'm the first to admit, I'm
the very first to admit, and it's not always the
easiest way to live that my brain sometimes works on

(00:23):
the biggest challenge that I have, my biggest weakness is
that there are certain things that I'm convinced if i'm
that I'm correct on them, and I'm like, no, there's
no way that people can see this other than like
what I'm trying to say type thing. And I feel
like I've gotten better about that. But I'll give you

(00:45):
a couple of examples over the course of the show today.
But one of them that I when I think about it,
I think I can't be the only one that feels
this way. That's the best way to say it. Like,
there are a lot of things where I think of myself,
I could be the only that feels this way, and
then I find out that yes, in fact, I'm the
only one that feels that way, and I'm like incredulous

(01:06):
over it. But this is one of them I understand
and I appreciate and I love the fact that people
love football. I remember when I was in the I believe,
first grade, and I was a die hard, die hard,

(01:28):
die hard Pittsburgh Steelers fan. Die hard. Everything that I owned,
I mean literally every picture of me as a kid,
I'm wearing head to toe Pittsburgh Steelers gear. I had
a Pittsburgh Steelers trash can. I had a Pittsburgh Steeler's lamp,
the little helmet lamp. I had every set of the

(01:48):
pajamas from Sears in nineteen seventy eight of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
I had the bed sheet, you name it. I had
the hat, all of it. My entire wardrobe of my
elementary school era is as it related to sports, was
either Indiana basketball or the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I recall vividly,

(02:12):
and before anybody jumps my case about it, I'm old.
And keep in mind, there was no NFL team in Indianapolis.
You had essentially one of four teams that you rooted for.
If you were of my age range in Indianapolis, Indiana
in the late seventies through the mid eighties, you were
a fan of primarily one of four teams. The Bears

(02:34):
are Bengals for the obvious reasons, or the Steelers or Cowboys,
because you basically got three games per week, and more
often than not they featured either the Steelers or Cowboys,
and then the local game, which would have been Bears
or Bengals when I'm using local and air quotes. But

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and my dad worked in the steel business, so I
liked the Steelers. That's why I went with the Steelers,
and I was a huge fan. But I remember, I
believe it was in the first grade, in the would
have been the fall, the late summer, early fall, the
first Sunday of the football season, and I was super

(03:15):
stoked and excited, and Palmeriker, who lived next door to me,
came over to ask if I could, you know, play
Capture the Flag or whatever. And I remember I remember
sitting there glued to the television set and hearing Palmer
at the front door and my mom saying, oh, Palmer,
Jake's been looking forward to this all summer long. The
NFL is back, And so I think I probably invited

(03:40):
Palmer in to watch the game as opposed to us
going outside and whatever else, because I could not wait
because I'd waited so long. The NFL was back, So
I totally understand. I totally appreciate. I totally respect the
fact that Colts fans right now, on this the day,
on the eve, it is the last day of summer
for Colts player. It's the last day of the summer

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because tomorrow they report, and then camp gets underway on
Wednesday with practice from ten until eleven. On Thursday with
practice from ten until eleven that's the morning time, and
then on Friday ten to eleven fifteen. But where my
brain is different, Eddie Garrison, is this I get it.
I understand. I understand that everybody in Colts Nation right

(04:26):
now is me on that day that Palmeriker was there
at the front door saying, look, I've been waiting all
summer for this. My only thing, and I know that
this makes me the old guy. My only thing is
I love the summer. I love the sound of kids

(04:47):
playing by the pool, and I love people going to
the lake. And I love you know, late night like
walks when it's eight o'clock and it's still sunny out,
and I love concerts, and I love everything about the summertime.
I love, love, love summertime. My only hesitation with the
Colts having training camp and reporting is the fact that

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this accelerates the fact that before you know it, you
snap your fingers and it's like mid November and gray
and rainy and cold outside, and we're wondering whether or
not will Levis is going to be back to take
on the Colts in the Tennessee Titans matchup, and no,
he's not, because Will Levis is out for the year.
That news came out earlier today. I realized that, and
he has no chance of ever being the starter for
the Tennessee Titans ever again, probably unless somebody gets hurt.

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But I digress. So that's my only thing is it
feels to me like they are reporting earlier and earlier
and earlier, like ward, before we know it, it's going
to be like Indy five hundred on Sunday, Pacers game
five on Monday. Colts reported training camp on Tuesday. It
feels like we're headed that direction, but nonetheless we are

(05:52):
on the eve of it. It does feel early to me,
and I'm worried that that means that summer is now
officially closed. But that is probably an example of where
my brain works different than everybody else.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's like the first day of school, Jake, you know,
it's the day before the first day school.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I did love the first day of school. Do you
remember the first week of school? One of the first
things one of the things I loved about. And here's
another thing that's weird about me, but I think this
one I'm not as alone on. I can still smell
exactly the smell of those block rubber erasers, freshly sharpened pencils,

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and trapper keeper folders. I can still smell the smell
of the first week of school. And I can still
feel and hear the sounds of the last week of school.
When the windows were cracked. You could hear the custodians
mowing the lawn off in the horizon of the elementary school,
and the fans were oscillating, and you knew that it

(06:53):
was springtime and summer was around the corner. I can
still remember both of those six I always loved the
first week of school because you still had a four
point zero who Everything was good. It was great. You
find out who's in your class, you know what your
schedule is going to be. All of that was great.
Didn't have much homework. The syllabus week, Yeah, syllabus week

(07:15):
was a big deal. Like in college, right, you go
and you get your syllabus, and that's like the extent
of it. But nonetheless, Colts now a lot of storylines
that we will talk about. Mike chap will going to
join us at one o'clock today and we will discuss
that and a very interesting column at Colts dot Com,
which I think is well timed because and yes, I

(07:35):
certainly understand the fact that if it's on Colts dot com,
it's going to be written within that parameter. I get that,
but it's it gives glimpse. This is Carly Ursa. Gordon's
vision for the Colts. Is the article and the guy
that wrote it, Jj Stankoit's going to join us coming
up at two o'clock today to kind of add some
insight onto how things because I think that is the

(07:58):
big question mark. I think the biggest question mark that
people have for the Indianapolis Colts and the twenty twenty
five twenty twenty sixth season is not and I know
that the big one in x's and o's is who's
going to be the quarterback? I get that, okay, And
I get that the is the Anthony Richardson experiment now continuing?

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Or are we at the end of it? Have we
moved on from that, or you know, all of those things.
I get that that all comes into play. With all
of that said, I think the biggest storyline, truthfully for
the Colts is how do things change now that Jim
Orsay is no longer in the mix? Obviously now that

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he has passed, But does the vision, does the direction?
Does the standard operating procedure of the Colts change now?
With Carl Ursa Gordon being the one where the buck
stops at her desk and she has been around. This
is not like somebody This is not a situation where
and I think you see this like there are probably
sports movies made about this kind of thing where you

(09:10):
have an owner that passes away and the trust fund
kid that's been living on the Colorado ski slopes or
the California beaches for fifteen years now suddenly is the
one making decisions and they're totally out of touch. And
you have the people working in the office that are
looking at each other because they're like, what do we

(09:30):
do Now? That's not the case here. I mean you're
talking about somebody that has been on the sidelines wearing
the headset. You know a lot of people, a lot
of people for the last two seasons have raised a
question or made the wisecrack about Carli Orsa Gordon on

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the sidelines wearing the headsets. But you look at it now,
and aren't you glad she was? Aren't you now as
a Colts fan saying to yourself, you know what? I
thought that was weird that she was listening in on
everything the last two years. But thank goodness she was,

(10:12):
because now she will be better prepared for this moment.
And the moment is here, and I think it's going
to be a very fascinating thing to watch. Over the weekend,
fascinating thing to watch was that of the WNBA All
Star Game. Caitlin Clark obviously was there in the coaching standpoint,
but not participating itself. Not a huge lot, a whole
lot of huge moments from a basketball standpoint within the game,

(10:34):
right Eddie.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Not a whole lot really. You had a couple of records, brooken.
Skyler Diggens set the assist record for an All Star game,
first player to ever record a triple double All Star Game.
And then Ifisa Collier set the record for most points
scored in an All Star Game.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
You know, Skyler Diggins and this is how I know him.
It seems like just yesterday that she was in that
same building winning a state title as a sophomore in
high school. Right time flies, for sure, but it was
cool to see that record for somebody who is, you know,
an Indiana player. I know that the big story was
that of the T shirts. Pay us what you owe us.

(11:16):
This seems to be a very polarizing topic, and my
thought would be this, the WNBA is getting ready to
go into a collective bargaining agreement. They are in it

(11:38):
right now. Actually, they're in the in the midst of
coming up with a new CBA and salary caps and
amount that could be spent and et cetera. And for
the most part, people and fans and media don't want

(11:58):
to hear the inner workings of the negotiations between players
and owners within pro sports. They just don't. They don't. Now,
I'm not saying it goes so far as like shut
up and play, but I think that there is still
the narrative from a lot of fans of look, you're

(12:23):
getting paid money to play a game that kids play
for free, So be glad with what you have, be
grateful for what's there, go out and pick up a
sledgehammer and try doing a real job. But the thing
that I think people need to remember is this, I

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think all of us. The one thing professional sports is
fascinating to me for the following reason. When you when
you look at the American population and you have people list, okay,

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make a list for me of different professions that you
at one point in your life dreamed of being. I
think a lot of people would say doctor, maybe lawyer,
and then ballplayer. The thing about professional sports is that
is a livelihood that is a profession, professional athlete that

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probably the highest majority of average Americans can say that
at some point in their life they aspired to be that.
And I'm talking about maybe you know, is when you're
eight years old. I think most people by the time
they're twelve or thirteen, they're pretty realistic. Okay, so I'm
not going to be Peyton Manning, But nonetheless, all of

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us can remember that time in our childhood where we
envisioned being and had the dream of being like that
level of athlete. And so with that, when we hear
about athletes that are getting paid and that made it,
there's a little bit of envy in all of us.
Is there not. There's a little bit of envy because

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when we look at a Lebron James, or we look
at a Aaron Rodgers, or we look at a shohe Atani,
and we see players that are at the top of
the game within a sport that we loved playing as
a kid. Our initial thought is, if I was in

(14:28):
that position, I would be doing this because I knew
when I was a kid, gosh that that guy's living
out my dream and yet taking it for granted by
wanting more money. That guy's living my dream, but taking
it for granted by not wanting to play in every game.
That guy's living my dream, but taking it for granted

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by not showing up on time to camp. And if
I was in that position, I'd be doing it for
three hundred thousand dollars happily, and I would be showing
up every single day because I love the game and
I remember exactly just I could not wait to go
out for another practice. Hey, I get it, but you
were also at Alisonville Little League and you were ten,

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and so with any athlete, it's no different than any
line of work. I think a lot of people that
say that they're tired of these spoiled athletes holding out
for more money are the same people that work for
a union within a job that they have that has
some sort of a union agreement about the number of
days off that you're allowed to get for an illness

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or whatever it may be. And there are parallels between.
The only thing that separates the two is the salaries themselves.
But the salaries are based upon supply and demand. And
the reason why salaries are so astronomically high for football
players and basketball players and baseball players is because there's

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only so many of them, and we resent the fact
that we are not amongst that group that is within
that supply. Then you throw the curveball in that with
women's athletics, it is a relatively new thing, and there
is some resentment about Title nine and what that's done

(16:17):
for athletic departments in other such areas. And I get
one hundred percent the fact that people say with the
WNBA and their players that they have not developed or
built for themselves the credibility or benefit of the doubt
or power to dictate what the payment should be for them,
because it is a league that for the most part

(16:38):
is operating within the red and it is a league
that for a long time, I don't believe this is
still the case, but many of its franchises are being
subsidized by the NBA, and so therefore people look at
it and go, that's laughable. What do you mean what
we owe you? What do you mean what they owe you?

(17:00):
What they owe you? They're losing money, pay us what
you owe us? What like? So in other words, pay
you a what a bill of debt? And I owe
you because what they owe right now is the fact
that they're still operating under a loss. But that's about

(17:23):
to change. And I think what people need to realize
is when you now see that the WNBA and their
media partnerships are about to pay them two point two
billion dollars, would it be peanuts compared to what the
NFL gets and the NBA. I get that, but it
is still astronomically larger than the amount that was being

(17:46):
brought in during the last collective bargaining agreement. Now, secondly,
you can sit here and say that the w NBA players,
it's laughable that they would ask for an increase in way,
considering that the teams that they have are operating in
the negative. Until you realize now that they are getting

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ready to go into an expansion. They've announced new teams
that are joining the league, and those teams reportedly have
had to pay a two hundred and fifty million dollar
entry fee. So there's another half billion right there. So
now you're talking close to three billion dollars that is
coming into the WNBA, And if you are the players,

(18:30):
you are saying, now, all of a sudden, supply and
demand is starting to fall in our favor, because you
can't tell me there's no demand if you're bringing in
nearly three billion dollars, and yet we are the limited
supply because there are only so many players. So I
do understand the player's standpoint, and I commend them for

(18:51):
speaking up for themselves. But I also get and I'm
not trying to play both sides of it here, but
I get why when you finally have perhaps the most
marquee showcase of your sport, the last thing people especially
that are new to it. Oh, here's a new sport
that I'm not familiar with. I'd like to tune in
and see what this is all about. I've heard about this,
Caitlin Clark, I've heard about this Angel Reese I've heard

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about this page backers. I want to see what these women,
how good they are? And you turn it on boom
and the first thing you see throwing right in your
face is collective bargaining agreement and grand standing and trying
to create leverage for one side versus the other. I
totally get why that is a turn off to a
lot of people. And there is a time and place

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element that comes into all of it. Eddie, how was
your weekend anything exciting?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
How did any other sports talk on Friday and Saturday night?
And that's about it? How about you, Jake?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I did. Let's see, I went to a movie on
Saturday night. What movie? I think it's called Eddington. It's
with Joaquin Phoenix. It was totally bizarre. I actually kind
of enjoyed it. I liked the it was well done,
it was well acted, but it got to a point
where it was like super weird and kind of hard
to follow. And I think a lot of it was

(20:10):
one of those movies in at the end there's like
forty five seconds of silence as the credits are rolling,
and then you can kind of faintly hear in the
distance one guy like just go, huh, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
What I mean, I forgot. I went to the TVT
game and watched the simley Ball lose on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
How about Indiana and that? I mean, what in the
world was that all about? They got smoked? Right? Oh yeah,
I mean they got blown out of the gym right
by three of you indies finest. But again, now, Yogi
Ferrell and James black muginir did they play? I thought?

Speaker 3 (20:45):
No?

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, they did not play? Right. No, for what reason
did they not play?

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
They just sold the tickets and then decided not to play.
It was never announced. Why did they wear shirts that
said pay us what you owe us?

Speaker 2 (20:55):
So at least Jogie was in the the candy stripe
pants and in the warm up shirt they were wearing
over their jerseys, and then Blackman was in just some
regular basketball shorts and a T shirt.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I mean they got smoke.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Now.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Butler plays tonight, right, Yes, seven thirty Ohio State playing
tonight as well, right, Carmen's crew. Yeah. The the other
thing I did last night? You want to know what
I did last night? That was great fun. And this
is one of those I'm going to give credit where
credit's due to people so yesterday in the afternoon, my

(21:35):
cousin sends me a text that says, Hey, I think
I might have an extra ticket tonight to the lawn
at White River.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Did you go to Dirk S Bentley?

Speaker 1 (21:44):
That is a fabulous facility. I did not go to
Dirk S. Bentley, although I did run into somebody who
went to Dirk S. Bentley courtesy of tickets that they
got from us, which was oh nice. I appreciate that
they went. So wait, did you go to the Sydney
Colson comedy show? Did not? Would you like to keep guessing?
I will tell you this. It led to I went
to an event last night that yesterday in the afternoon.

(22:05):
When I told Shannon what I was doing, it led
to a series of very serious questions via text.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Really, uh huh? Now was this a concert?

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yes? Okay, my cousin has like the season tickets or
what not to everwise at White River write the amphitheater there, okay,
And so he sent me a text yesterday that just said, Hey,
I think I have an extra ticket. Do you want
to go? And I thought, you know what? I think
I know one song and I didn't know a lot

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about this band, but I said, okay, that sounds actually
because I've heard they're a fun band. So when I
texted Shannon to say hey, this is I mean, obviously
I talked to her yesterday, but but when I sent
her a text, initially they just said, hey, So Doug
reached out to me and has an extra ticket, and
I think I didn't say that. I didn't say he

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has an extra ticket. I said Doug reached out to
me and tonight, I think we're going to go see
this and she was like what And then I'm like no, no, no, no, no.
The concert bare Naked Ladies. So when I said I
think Doug check out Baar Naked Ladies, She's like, excuse me, I.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Should have tickets the band. Last week on.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
GeV they had Sugar Ray and Fastball Open Sugar Ray,
Mark McGrath give him credit, and Mark McGrath has kind
of a he has a weird uh. When I was
looking at him, his actions and his hair and everything else,
for whatever reason, I kept thinking that he looked like
a morph between Connor Daly and Ed Sorenson. But Mark
McGrath and Sugar Ray he put on he was a

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I love entertainers that get what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
They don't take themselves too seriously. They're there to have fun.
They know that people are there just have fun and
they are great performers with that. And that's exactly what
he was. And Sugar Ray what he did, a really
fun little montage of ninety stuff. Then went to Bar
Naked Ladies. I had no idea Baar Naked Ladies are
the level of talented musicians that they are. They played

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a number of different instruments, a number of different songs.
They have fun with it. It's almost like a lighthearted,
not comedy show, but kind of a lighthearted show wrapped
into a music concert. They were. It was very well done,
it was very enjoyable. Had a good time last night
with it.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Now, did you have the IndyCar Race yesterday as well?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
I did so Toronto yesterday, but we were done with
that in the very early afternoon, so that allowed me
to then be able to by eight o'clock be at
the show for Baar Naked Ladies, which was great fun.
We did lose, by the way, a member of the
Indiana sports community over the weekend that has been very
significant over the last gosh fifty years at the very least.

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I'll let you know about that, and then we will
actually bring on somebody who knew him very well. Pat Knight,
going to join us one thirty today, two o'clock JJ Stankovitz.
As I mentioned Mike Chap at one o'clock when we
come back, the passing of a media icon in Indiana.
And yes, I don't mean that to say esoterically amongst
just simply our bubble, but rather somebody who's worked you

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were probably very familiar. We'll get into that next and
we will also touch on the eve of Colts Camp
and training day, report day for the Colts. We'll get
into all of that when we come back Query Company
here on a Monday. Good Monday afternoon to you on
the fan. Mike Chap, I'm going to join us a
little over twenty five minutes from now. Colts Camp getting

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underway this week. We will be out there, as a
matter of fact, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, this show will be
out there over the weekend. The news coming out from
the family of Bob Hamil that Bob Hamill passed away
at the age of eighty eight. And I think most
of you are familiar with Bob Hamill in terms of

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his work, notably as the essentially the biographer of Bob Knight.
I mean, that's the easiest way to say it. Bob
Hamil's job, by definition, is that he was the sports
editor for the Bloomington Harold Times known as the Bloomington

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Harold Telephone at the time that he took the job
in nineteen sixty six as the sports editor. But his
story is a relatively fascinating one because he grew up
in Huntington, and in nineteen fifty four he got a
job with the Huntington newspaper and he had just finished
his freshman year at Indiana, and instead of going back

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to Bloomington, he because he had that opportunity, he went
ahead and took it and began writing for the Huntington
newspaper before moving to Bloomington and taking the job with
the Harold Telephone in nineteen sixty six. And in that capacity, obviously,
and in that era, you know that would have been

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essentially covered. The first coach that he would have covered
in terms of totality of a coach's tenure at Indiana
would have been Lou Watson before Bob Knight was hired
in nineteen seventy two, and yes he covered the Rose Bowl,
Yes he covered Mark Spitz and the Olympic prowess that
Spitz had as a swimmer from Indiana. But to cover

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Indiana sports for the time period that he did, even
though Bob Hammill's job would have been, you know, covering
high school sports and the different great teams and games
that came through southern Indiana, if your job is primarily

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as the face of Bloomington sports media during the Bob
Knight era, then the most important storyline that you would
cover would be Bob Knight in Indiana basketball. And I
don't mean that to dismiss or discredit any other top
in which Bob hammil would have been assigned to cover,

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but rather because there is no one figure. And I
totally understand that if you did not live in the
state of Indiana during the time that he was at
his apex, that you would have hesitation or be you know,
roll your eyes at this statement. But during the time

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that Bob Knight was at his peak at Indiana, and
I would say that that would be from roughly nineteen
seventy three to nineteen ninety three. Certainly that twenty year
period there was no more polarizing figure in the state
of Indiana than Bob Knight, and more so, and I

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truly believe this to be fact. During the twenty years
that Bob Knight was at his peak influence in the
state of Indiana, I believe that Bob Knight was the
most powerful sports figure within the state of operation more
so than any ambassador or sports related figure in any

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state in the country. I think Bob Knight had had
and wielded more power in Indiana for a twenty year
period than any other sports figure you can think of
for any state. Maybe Bear Bryant, maybe Joe Paterno. But
Knight's influence was immeasurable and unprecedented at the time that

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he was here, and certainly his polarization and what Bob
Hamill had the challenge of navigating was the fact that
if you are the sports editor and you are a
writer that is assigned to the coverage of Indiana University athletics,

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there are a long list of people in the sports
media world that Bob Knight iced out and basically froze
out from his program. Ed Sorenson would be one, Mark
Patrick for a period would be one. I believe Don
heine for a period would be one you know where
Bob Knight would not like a column that was written

(30:22):
and just deny access or make things difficult or make
it and there was. It is very difficult. It's very
very difficult. If you are a delicate tessen that operates
on a street with five other delicatessens and you're the

(30:42):
one that the cold cuts supplier decides he's not going
to sell you ham Well, that's pretty difficult then to
compete with the rest of the delis. And that was
what Bob Hamill had to contend with, was knowing that
if he got on the wrong side or got froze
out from Bob Knight, that he was on the outs

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and that he did not have coverage and that he
would not be the go to person for coverage about
Indiana athletics. And certainly, journalistically speaking, you could make the
case that Bob Hamill overstepped the line of journalistic principle
and integrity by getting too close to the subject or

(31:24):
not being as objective as he should have been on
the subject, and that would be a fair critique except
for that maybe Bob Hamil was actually the one in
the relationship of when people thought that Bob Knight was
the one that was pulling all the strings, maybe it
was Bob Hamill because he knew how to perfectly work
Bob Knight. But either way, he was a brilliant writer

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in terms of his ability to describe things as they happened,
to use the language and prose to retroactively recreate situations
that you were reading about out And he also had
the ability, which was very difficult, or would not have

(32:10):
been an easy thing to do, to kind of serve
as the intermediary between a lot of the press corps
and Knight himself, because he was the one that if
you really wanted to if you needed to get something
from Night, or if you needed to get close to him.
Hamill was a guy that had to do the balancing
act between serving as that kind of pool reporter to

(32:33):
an extent, but at the same time making sure that
he was the one that was getting the inside scoop
or the story that others were not, And I think
he balanced all of those things very well while being
a very nice man to a lot of people. He
also served as the color analyst for Don Fisher on
Indiana broadcasts in the mid to late nineties, So there

(32:56):
were a number of things in which Bob Hamill was
involved with Indiana basketball even after his writing and coverage.
But he passed away over the weekend, did Bob Hamill,
And he wrote books about Indiana basketball and Bob Knight
in general, and I think for Indiana fans was a
beloved figure within the history of that program. Bob Hamill

(33:17):
passing away at the age of eighty eight. Pat Knight,
who I would assume probably thought of Bob Hamil almost
as like an uncle type figure, will join us at
one point thirty to talk about exactly that I mentioned
earlier in the show that sometimes my brain, like I
come up with something that I'm convinced that I'm correct.
Over the weekend, something happened to me from a sports standpoint,

(33:38):
and yes, I'll be an old guy getting off the
lawn here or telling you to get off my lawn.
I am convinced, and I think Eddie will agree with me.
I'm going to be very, very very curious whether or
not Eddie agrees with me about something over the weekend
that took place. When Eddie asked what I did on
Friday where I had a sports opinion and I will
go absolutely to my grave and die on the hill

(33:58):
of the fact that I'm not wrong about this. I'm
not wrong about this, and I would challenge anybody, not literally,
I guess, but to question me, which plenty of people
did over the weekend. I'll tell you what it is next,
and Chap joins us in eighteen. So on Friday evening,
I believe it was Friday evening, I'm sitting and I'm
watching some of the coverage of the WNBA All Star Game,

(34:21):
and I noticed that the four letter ESPN, and I
get why they do this. I mean it creates conversation.
Look guilty as charged because I'm bringing up in conversation. Now, Eddie,
let me ask you, and I need you to be
honest with me for the sake of the sanctity of
this question I'm about to ask. I need you to
be honest. If you happened to see the tweet that

(34:43):
I had on Friday evening in regards to something I
had witnessed on ESPN and the conversation that generated no, okay, good,
then that leads me to authentically ask you this question. So,
as I'm watching on ESPN and they're doing WNBA coverage,
I guess they're doing a segment this summer where they

(35:04):
are going to different states and they are listing for
each state the top ten sports moments in the history
of that state. And I'm watching it, and when I
looked up, I happened to look up right as they
were on number two, And the number two moment that
they listed was Keith Smart shot to defeat Syracuse in
the nineteen eighty seven National Championship Game, which, if you

(35:26):
were to talk about and when you say, and I
guess this is one of the qualifiers here when you
say greatest sports moment in a state, there are three
ways to look at that. Number one something that just
happened to take place within that state, yep. Or number
two something that took place in connection to that state

(35:49):
that is the most nationally famous. Or number three something
that is a sports moment or a moment that is
most representative or most identifies with the culture and the
people and the livelihood within that state itself. Those are
kind of three different areas, right, Okay. Keith Smart's shot,

(36:10):
for example, to beat Syracuse in the eighty seven National
Championship Game is one that certainly has I mean, obviously
it's been thirty eight years ago, and you know, everybody been.
Indiana fans seem to be aware of how long ago
that was. But the it was a moment that still
is referenced. I mean, if you watch the opening every
you know, done no no, done, done un done. They

(36:33):
show the NCAA tournament, you see smart shot. I mean,
it was a you know, it's a last second shot
to win a national championship. Pretty significant. Okay, But if
I were to ask you, Eddie Garrison, off the top
of your head and do not look at my my thing.
If I were to ask you right now, what is
the number one if you were to stop, if we
go to the Indiana State Fair and there are a
thousand people walking around, and you stop people and you say, okay,

(36:53):
two questions. Question number one, are you from Indiana? If
their answer is yes, they're from Indiana, and you then
say to them, what is the top sports moment in
the history of this state.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Marlin's got it. We're going to the super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Okay, that's way up there. That's probably top ten, right.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Winning the Super Bowl certainly that I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
It's hard to argue that that would not be from
a national standpoint, I don't know what would be bigger
than your a team from your state winning the Super Bowl.
I mean globally that is known, right.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Any of the shots by Tyre's Holliburn in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Recency bias, But yes, one would assume that as we
move forward, those are going to stand that test, right
for sure? I mean the eight points and nine seconds
is way up there, right, I mean it's still reference.
You go any with all due respect you and Kayden
who's in here sitting in right now. I mean, neither
one of you guys are even alive w eight points
and nine seconds have but you know exactly what it is, right,

(37:45):
I mean you see it referenced all the time. Yep,
I personally believe.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
So.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
My point is simply this, if you were to ask,
if you were to just stop random people and ask them,
some would say, I think a lot would say Peyton
Manning related things right, the Colts winning the Super Bowl,
the Colts winning the AFC title game that you discussed,
the Reggie the spikee Choke game. If they're an IU fan,

(38:12):
they're Geinner reference, maybe the watch shot or or Keith
smart shot or whatever it might be, Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Heck, even the Andrew lut game against the Chiefs when
they make that.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
The Superman Came game, that's way up there right now.
Those are those are all like Now, then you get
into the nuance of the high school basketball aspect of things.
Scott Skiles hooked shot that went in to defeat Gary Roosevelt,
Stacey Turan shot from three quarters court in the nineteen
eighty you know, Indiana High School Basketball Tournament. It is

(38:42):
my personal belief, Garry Harris that the or what any
of those, I mean, they're you know, Gordon Hayward putting
in a game winner, right.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
My personal belief is that the number one sports moment
in the history of Indiana is Mylin beating Munseie Central.
That became what obviously Hoosiers is about out. I mean,
Bobby plump shot that beat Muncie Central. And when I
said that, and people are like, well, that's just because
you're old, you're saying that. I'm like, that happened twenty
years before I was born. But it's been you know,

(39:12):
you go anywhere in the world and people know what
Hoosiers is. The movie Hoosiers. I mean, it's become perhaps
the most beloved sports movie of all time. The Pacers
wore the Hickory uniforms for like, well longer than they
should have, but at any rate, God, those were awful.
The number one moment do you want to guess what
ESPN listed is the number one sports moment in the

(39:32):
history of Indiana? And I'm like, this was the most
this is the most off base. And when I said it,
the fans of this respective team were like, you're a hater.
You don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, no,
I don't deny that it was a great moment. I
don't deny that it was significant at the time that
it happened. But you, guys, I'm sitting in here, Eddie's

(39:53):
in here, and then Cayden correct is to day yep,
so Caden is shadowing you today. Who's become a new
member of the team here that is a sud At
University of Indianapolis, if I'm not mistaken, yep. Okay here, yep.
So you guys tell me whether or not some of
the things that I just mentioned you are familiar with, Right,
You're familiar with key smart shot, Yes, you're familiar with Okay,

(40:14):
are you familiar with the Danny Sullivan's spin to win. Yes, okay.
Are you familiar with Mylin beating Munsey Central somewhat, which
is what hoos yours is base? No, yes, Bobby, you're
familiar with like like there's a bar and brought apook
called plump slash shot from Bobby Plump right, Yes, okay.
Are you familiar with Oscar Robertson and Christmas Addicts? Yes? Okay,

(40:36):
that also was twenty years before I was born.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Now most of this I'm educated through you, so thank you.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
No problem. So they had the number one moment, and
again I'm going to go back to if you stopped
because I said, I go, look, that was a great moment.
There's no question I would not list it as a
top fifty moment in the history of Indiana sports. And
what I mean by that is, if you were to
stop people in the state of Indiana and say, what
is your number one sports moment? What do you think

(41:04):
is the and some people I don't mean to you.
I mean the one that you think is the greatest
moment as it identifies with the culture of who we
are as the state of Indiana. And it is my
belief that if you stopped people at the Indiana State
Fair and asked them that, and you were not allowed
to leave until you got this. As someone's impulsive, instinctive

(41:24):
first answer, You're gonna be there a long time. They
listed the number one as Notre Dame beating Miami in
nineteen eighty eight and the Catholics Versus Convicts game. Thoughts,
I have no thoughts. I mean, how are you tell
me familiar with the game? What's that?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I'm not even familiar with that game?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Kaitene, Are you okay? That was my point. I'm like
people were like, no, that's a huge moment. I'm like,
in the moment, it was no question. I remember it
like it was yesterday. And to Notre Dame fans, But
for Notre Dame fans, to me, Notre Dame in nineteen
seventy three ending Bill Walton in UCLA's winning streak was

(42:06):
more significant in the history of Notre Dame Athletics, even
in the other names of football school than the Catholics
Versus Convicts game. To me, and Notre Dame has had
great teams in great moments, and that was a huge one,
no question. But to list that is the number one
moment in Indiana sports history. I'm like, what, I just
think if you were to ask people on if you

(42:27):
were to stop random Hoosiers and ask them what is
the number one moment in the history of this state,
then you get into a whole different category of do
we count Michael Jordan's return game? Do we count John
Daily winning the PGA when nobody had heard of him
and that introduced him as one of golf's biggest charismatic characters.
At cricket stick? Do we count Grant Hill dropping from

(42:51):
the teflon in the ninety one final four, or for
that matter, the allegations of point shaving or the assumption
of it with Unlv and Duke in ninety one. I mean,
there are a billion ways that you can look at
that whole aspect of it in terms of final fours
and events that have taken place here. Do we count
Eli Manning and the Giants winning a second Super Bowl
and having it take place in Indianapolis? You know, you

(43:14):
get into a whole different talk show at that point.
But I will the one thing that the hill that
I will die on is in no way, shape or
form and no disrespect to Notre Dame fans, and I
know what football means to Notre Dame, and I know
what that game means to the people of Notre Dame
and the fans of Notre Dame. And I was there
or you know, here when it happened, and it was
a massive, massive story and a great moment and everything else.

(43:36):
The ninety three game where they beat Florida State, many
Notre Dame fans might tell you was even bigger than
the eighty eight game. But nonetheless, I will die on
the hill that was not the number one sports moment
in Indiana. Mike Chapel joins us next. This is Eddie's
way of telling me that when it comes to me
getting worked up over something of which I'm convinced that
I'm not wrong, just to let it be right, let
it go.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, I'm not gonna play frozen, let it go. So yeah,
we're going to go with the Beatles in stead because
it kills two birds with one stone.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
It's correct.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
My chapels favorite group right.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Here is Mike Chapel joining us on the program of
course from WXI in Fox fifty nine and CBS four
on this the eve of report Day for the Colts.
And then everything getting underway ten o'clock in the morning
practice number one. We will get into all of that
in just a minute, but Mike, before we do that,
I wanted to I guess sidebar in this area. I

(44:28):
talked about him earlier, but as somebody who is yourself,
you know, a giant within the print broadcast world of
sports media in Indiana, the passing of Bob Hamill at
the age of eighty eight over the weekend, his family
making that announcement. I just wanted to give you the
opportunity to share kind of your recollection or just your

(44:50):
thoughts on the passing of Bob Hamil.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Normally with the media, we sort of stand in our
little circles. Yeah, you're right. Me in Indy and he
in Bloomington, and I was her friend, no acquaintance, yes,
but the admiration is undeniable. And the thing that people
have to understand about about a bat Bob Hamil type

(45:15):
person is he's covering the beat in his city. I
you basketball, and not only that, he's got to deal
with Bob Knight. And if you think that's easy, you're crazy.
I did it from the from the periphery with when
I was ten years at Anderson, and we had the

(45:37):
what we always call it the Madison Heights Phil Buck Pipeline.
To I you, Bobby Wilkerson and Ray Talbert who I
ran into you today was great, But Winston Morgan, Stu Robinson.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Uh So I.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Dealt with Bob just kind of patty, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (45:55):
About how you doing?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
But nothing nothing, you know, even the remotely close. But
people have to understand how hard it is to maintain
your reputation of objectivity when you're covering the beat in

(46:16):
your community and you have to be fair objective and
you have to deal with stuff you're right, maybe poing
the king, you know, Bob Knight. So, I thought you
did a tremendous job, and I never would have wanted
to be in his shoes. Had to do what he

(46:37):
did because there had to be times that he had
to sorder just kind of bows in and say whatever.
But again the footprints, well, you know it's I always say,
we all want to leave some kind of footprints just
so the people remember that you were there. Well, Bob
Hammo left footprints. Let me tell you. He helped so

(47:00):
many people, the rick Bos, that Chus and people like
that that I've dealt with as well. And I, you know,
David Hall, I just think it's incredible and we knew
he was not in the greatest of health, but kind
of just makes me think how old I'm getting when
people that I grew up with and around aren't no

(47:21):
longer with.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Us, do you when you look at it, Chap, and
you look at Bob Hamill's career, and he came to
Bloomington in nineteen sixty six, which means that he got
there six years before Bob Knight. But been you know
Bob Knight certainly you know he went to the final
four and seventy three, so he was often running in
terms of his influence speaking of Bob Knight's and having

(47:43):
to balance and delicately balance exactly what you're talking about
in terms of objectivity, but at the same time access,
I mean, truth be told. Sure, did Bob Hamill at
any point to your recollection almost also serve not just
as the immediate window to Bob Knight's world, but also

(48:07):
kind of an intermediary between Bob Knight and the rest
of the media. In other words, was there did he
almost buy just proximity become the guy that had to
kind of serve as the middleman in the riffs that
Knight would have with the rest of the media.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
World probably, and that's what I say. The balancing act
is I can only imagine so tremendous, because you can't
just come out and rip the guy, I mean just
totally rip him, because you need access the next day,
the next week, the next month. So it's very difficult
to keep your credibility while while calling, you know, a

(48:48):
spade a spade when it comes to the many things
that Knight did good and bad, and there were plenty
of both, so I think it's really hard. I can't imagine.
I dealt with Jimersay for forty some years and and
he respected the fact that if he did something stupid,

(49:09):
I'd calling about it. You know, we didn't always agree.
I just think that when you when and and and
that theirs was about that level. Because again in Bloomington,
it was IU basketball and oh by the way they
played football. Yeah, they sort of got you to the
basketball season. So I wouldn't have wanted that job. Seriously,

(49:31):
during my time at the Star, we went through three
or four guys that that dealt with IU as a beat,
and everybody had horror stories of being yelled at or
sent out of the locker room or whatever. And again
I was when I'm covering him and Anderson with our
guys that were there, You're you're you're not one of

(49:51):
the guys like the Bloomington guys and even the indie guys.
But I saw how hard it was, how hard it
could be to deal with Night, how he just simply
talked down to people and dismissed people. And I think
he was hard on Bob Hammel at times, because that's
who Bob Knight was. Uh So, I again, a legend

(50:15):
and what he did was was helped so many people,
and he dealt was a very very difficult situation probably
about as well as you could and did did things
maybe go totally unreported, I don't know, but I thought
he handled it about as well as you could, understanding

(50:35):
that while yes, I got this job as as the
beat guy and the guy always there, he had to
he had to keep in mind he always had to
be able to be there, so a difficult, difficult balancing act.
And I thought he did it about as well as
anybody could have.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
And we'll would do by the way chat before we
get to the Colts, And I know that you and
I have crossed this bridge before, but it sometimes it's
worth doing again because it's fun. And that is when
you really think about, like right now, if you just
stop and close your eyes and you think about one
of those games, you know of Stu Robinson going up

(51:13):
against you know, a young Troy Lewis, or Madison Heights
going to battle at the Wigwam against Anderson or Highland
coming in and taking on Madison Heights or whatever it
might be. The pack nature of the gym, the frenzy,
the level of play that was there, the rivalry amongst

(51:34):
all of it, and the town essentially shutting down on
a Friday or Saturday night for high school basketball. In
the moment that those things were taking place in the
late seventies early eighties, I don't know that any of
us realized that what we were seeing is something that
at some point two old guys on the radio would
be talking about him as the Glory years. But it
truly was a magical time that I don't know that

(51:56):
it ever comes back, right.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Yeah, Like I mentioned, Ray Talbert, my grandkids participated in
a basketball camp at Mount Vernon Middle School last week
Luke Levyan Anne and Ray Talbert was one of the counselors,
one of the main guys, and I made it a
point to go over there and spent ten fifteen minutes
and we just talked. His eyes lit up. We go

(52:20):
back at he's a friend. He's the guy that through
the year. Jesus.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
If I if I see somebody walking in the ball
like him, which stop and talk, probably have lunch. But
he he was the most dominant high school player I
ever covered. Not the best, Troy Lewis was damn near
the best. He was good.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
He was really good. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I still there were moments and I can still remember
a game his senior year and they're playing l Wood
and now what's got Evie Cotton name sticks in my
head and they said, we're not going to be you know,
in all Ray Talbert, We're gonna take it in the lane.
He blocked eighteen shots, eighteen shots and you know so,
but that was him, mister basketball that year. One of

(53:03):
the more talented Indian All Star teams with Talbert and
Drake Morris and Steve Risley and Rick Lance and on
and on, and it was totally blown up because Drake
Morris thought he should have been and probably should have
been mister basketball, and it just went went to hell
when you're left chemistry. But I still see there were

(53:25):
years in Madison County that I would have taken our
Madison County All Star team and given Indian All Stars
a hell of a game. I believe that to this day.
With all the talent and yeah, I know I harp
on that. But one of the things I've got is
on my key ring, I've got a nineteen eighty one.

(53:47):
It's a memorable thing when all those little keat chain
things in nineteen eighty one IU championship and it was Ray.
It was Ray and Isaiah Thomas and Lanta Turner. I
was there for the Bobby Wilkerson both of them into
specthim in Philly. So those were the glory days in
Anderson and for a while for IU, I mean really
the unbeaten team and all that stuff. So I never

(54:10):
grow tired. You know, football is what I do and
that's what I've come to be. But for my ten
years at Anderson, glory days of nine thousand the Wigwam
and four or five thousand at Hideland and Mason Heights
and what great times, just great times.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
By the way, seventy six and eighty seven the bookends
of Bob Knight's titles. I always found it fascinating that
in both National Championship games, player number twenty suffered an
injury early in the game that knocked him out of
the game and left him scored us for the rest
of the game. Bobby Wilkerson in seventy six, Ricky Callaway
in eighty seven. My brain is really weird, and I
have no idea how that even pops into it.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
And again I talked to our bosses, just sending me
to each to each National Championship in seventy six and
eighty one, and I get there and to Philly the Spectrum,
and thing's a buzz against Michigan and Bobby gets blown up,
gets knocked out, literally knocked out, I don't know, five
minutes in the game. Yep, waymon BRIT's elbow. So so

(55:08):
you know, it was really pretty amazing. And I think
in the semi finals Wilkerson had had like twenty rebounds
against UCLA. So again I just think it's I know,
people thinking, man, move on, no, that's all gone. Those
were great times with the Kent Benson's And I'm still
po that Bobby Wilkerson didn't make the Olympic team. I

(55:29):
really am heat because he deserved it. But I'll never
forget those times. And and my son told me, said,
I didn't know you you missed high school basketball that much.
I said, well, back then it was. It was special
for ten years. And just some of that memories is
now Mark Barnheiser. You know, we said all this stuff

(55:49):
with Brooks Barnheiser. I covered Mark Barnheiser when he would
drop thirty every night for lapel. So it was this
a great time.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Chap. Let's get to my chapel. Our guests, by the way,
CBS four and w XI in Fox fifty nine. Okay,
chap Obviously Anderson did serve at one time as the
home for Colts camp. It is now at Grand Park
and Westfield. Things get underway in terms of reporting tomorrow
practice on Wednesday. One of the things that I'm most
curious about. We're gonna talk plenty of plenty about the

(56:20):
quarterback and other such situations over the course of camp,
but I really am curious to see how, if in
any way, things feel look or seem different now without
Jim Rsay and I you know, listen, in terms of
fan engagement, kind hearted connection, enthusiasm, all of those things

(56:45):
for Jim Rsay will be missed without question as a man,
but just in terms of the operative standpoint of things
and the way that things go. Do you think this
year we will see differences?

Speaker 4 (56:58):
No, well, I don't think we're going to have that
sit down with Carley like we did with Jim every
you know whatever. It was a fifth or sixth day
of training camp when he comes out and golf cart.
We talked for We talked for twenty minutes and he
answers three questions because that's what that's that's twenty minutes
with Jim. I don't think we're going to have that.

(57:20):
I just don't think barring this team, this thing going
downhill real quick. I'm talking one in six. I just
don't see any way there's any changes people will notice.
I just don't uh. Things are in place and Carly
and the daughters, the sisters, we'll allow it to play out. Barring,

(57:44):
like I said, a catastrophes to start the season. Now,
after the season, we'll see. But the changes that could
have been made or whatever that time has passed, So
I don't. I really don't think we're gonna see much.
I just don't know that Carly is gonna be every

(58:06):
two months or whatever three months getting together with the media.
I just don't know that that's going to be part
of her operations. I really don't. So beyond that, I
just don't. And again, she's not gonna beet there throwing
many footballs with one hundred dollars bills wrapped around him.
That's where this time of the year was so cool

(58:26):
with with with Jim, because he he understood more than
anybody the importance of fan interaction interaction during this time.
He knew that during the season, it's hard for people
to spend four or five six hundred dollars to go
to a game, but maybe it cost you five or

(58:48):
ten bucks to go to Westfield and the players are accessible.
He understood that, and not that Carly doesn't. I think
this is this, this will be the operations moving forward.
But he enjoyed going out there and signing autograss and
waving the vands and throwing one hundred dollars bills. And

(59:09):
we'll miss that. But I just don't think. Maybe I'm
way wrong and I'm missing something, But I just don't
know that there's an occasion to where Carl can put
her fingerprints on their franchise in a public way. I
just don't see it unless it comes time for a
move because things aren't working out, and I don't foresee that.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
You know what's interesting, Chap and I made this reference earlier.
We kind of fans media whatever. And I'm not going
to say people made fun of it, but you certainly
saw people that kind of would raise the question of
why is jim Mercey's daughter walking around with a headset on?
Why is she carrying a clipboard on the headset? What's

(59:52):
going on there? And people kind of rolled their eyes
at it. But now that she is the one in charge,
aren't you glad that that was taking place? Because this
is not I think that there is a stereotype amongst
billionaire families where the matriarch or the patriarch of the
family passes and then suddenly the kids take over. And

(01:00:15):
in the movies or in the Netflix shows when that happens,
they airdrop some trust fund kid off of the ski
slopes and aspen and now suddenly take over the company
and the family business and there has to be some
relief of knowing that there is a level of competence
and understanding of the behind the scenes stuff because she's

(01:00:39):
been preparing herself for this moment. And I think now
we can look back on those things that people might
have rolled their eyes at and say, I'm glad it
went that way. You agree with that sentiment.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Yeah, So all they all have all free head in
their own in their own lanes that they're at. But
with her, she's really done exactly what her dad did.
Remember how he started off. He did everything as a
go for early on, and he learned, and that's how
you do you learn. I don't think she's picked up
jocks like Jim did. I hope she's not. But that's

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the way you you know, Reggie was Reggie Wayne told
us how if she's in meetings, she's taking notes. He said,
you better be ready to answer your questions if she's
got them. So and it wasn't being meddling, it was
learning and demanding that you learn. So everything that she done,
I don't know that the local media rolled our eyes,
but we noticed her. You know, you know, it's her

(01:01:33):
on game that she's out there during practice when we're
out there. She's out there, and she's paying attention, and
like like on game day, she doesn't. I think her
head sets one way, and I don't think she's sending
messages to the coaches. But I do believe like on
a Sunday or a Monday, whenever they talk, she would

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she would say maybe why.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Did you do this?

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
What were you thinking? And that's what that's what they
should and not to be critical, but to say, you know, understand.
So she's done on her dad did as far as
learning as much as possible. Now, there will be moves
in the future where we scratch our head and say
why did you do that? It won't be because she
doesn't know what the hell she's doing. It won't be

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because she she's prepared herself as much as possible for
every aspect of the job she has. Whether that's going
to be reinforcing the GM, the head coach player acquisition,
I don't know that she'll be noo. She'll have as
much input as Jim did because because that's her job

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now to certainly I don't think to tell Chris Ballard,
hey let's go get this guy. But when he comes
to say we're really interested in this guy that guy,
then she'll know first, she'll know who the hell it is,
and then she can offer some intelligent input on why
they should, why they shouldn't, what's the price is going

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to be. So everything you said I agree with. And
she and her daughter sisters are as prepared as possible
for this transition because it's being going on for a while,
for a decade at least, and at a higher level
over the past couple of years when Jim's not been

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in the greatest of help.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Chap, let me ask you this as we head into camp,
and in conclusion, here Mike Chapel, our guest on the
wildly popular and always busy and available again to be
sponsored guest line, chap when you watch training camp, and
you've seen a lot of them, I want you to
kind of speak to colts fans that might be going
out and watching practice. And it is great that people

(01:03:44):
have the access to go out and watch practice, but
when you look at position battles or players that either
camp is allowing them the opportunity to rise up and
cement a position on the team, or camp is all
of a sudden they fell short and it cost them

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a position on the team. What are you looking for?
What tells you, as the trained eye that has been
through forty plus of these What little things, body, language wise,
whatever it might be. Can you see on a field
that tells you that a guy is having a good
or a bad camp, aside from simply the guy next

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to him just ran faster and heeded well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
And as much as we think we know, keep in
mind that ad Mitchell had a great training camp, a
great training camp, and then not so much in the
regular season. But where I really like to pay attention
is and yes, we're going to be charting completions and
incompletions by the quarterbacks because but if the fans get

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a chance, go down in the middle of the two
feagles when they have the offensive line and defensive lines
going against each other the first chance, because in the
off season they don't. You're not hitting, You're not you know,
really really going to the hundred, you know, a full speed.
But go down and watch the pass rushers. Go down

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and watch the a blitzing linebacker take on a running back.
That's where you really see. That's when we're gonna see
the offensive line. What have you got defensive line? You know,
Samson ebucom wordsy Aden is returning. We owt to law
to you. Is he gonna make that big jump? That's
where you really see the spirited things. Offensive line, defensive line, Yes,

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receivers and dbs, Yes, running backs. That's really hard. You're
gonna see Jonathan Taylor, you know, run through a tackle
and go fifty yards and the fans go crazy and
the linebacker says, I had him right here. We just
can't tackle these guys. The area that's most enjoyable are
our pass rushers interior and on the edge going against

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the offensive line. Those are the two bedrocks of a team.
And it's really going to be cool to see how
well the edge you guys are coming along and how
well the offensive line with losing Kelly and Will Fryes adapts.
This is the first chance to see the lineman really
go at it. That's where you really see the sparks fly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
The players will report tomorrow. Practice gets underway Wednesday at ten.
Mike Chapel has been ready for it since like nineteen
eighty four, so everything getting.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Underway out You just keep stacking them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Listen, I got your gift, I got your gift, and
I'll give it to you on Wednesday. Chap. How's that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
I hear that?

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Until I see it, I just I'll take your word.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
All right, Well, we'll present it to you on Wednesday,
if I see out there, Chap. All right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
On one thing, just for factual, rookies will start reporting today.
Rookies today, everybody tomorrow on first practice on Wednesday, So
first access for fans is Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Wednesday, ten o'clock practice gets underway, first ball. A snap
appreciated Chapel talk every year here all right, Thank Mike Chapel,
CBS four WXI in Fox fifty nine where you can
see and hear all of his coverage when it comes
to the colts camp taking place. A lot going on
on the sports calendar. We mentioned that Bob Hamil passed away.
Pat Knight going to join us just a couple of

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minutes from now to give his reflections and recollections on
Bob Hamill and his relationship with Pat's father.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Also, keep in mind that this is the week of
the Brickyard four hundred. You've been hearing us talk a
lot about it, and when you think about that, I
watched yesterday the end of the race in Dover and
saw Denny Hamlin winning in that race in double overtime,
and started thinking about the fact that that race had
a rain delay and then you come back and you've
got to finish strong, as Denny Hamlin did. That's his
fourth win now so far in the year. I'm looking

(01:07:53):
at Kyle Larson, a guy that we know what the
Indianapolis Motor Speedway means to him, and then I think
about the rate drivers that have led the Brickyard four
hundred and had it get away from them. Dale Earnhardt Junior,
for that matter, a race where I remember one year
where he was leading and then his engine goes away
and suddenly victory does as well. And I thought about

(01:08:14):
the fact that when it comes to practice, it comes
to qualifying, and it comes to auto racing in general,
whether we're talking about CUPP or you're talking about Indiecarb
with pot of award getting and went over the weekend,
those drivers, those teams ought to make sure that their
engine is running exactly as it needs to. So much
work goes into engine replacements and checking it and win
tunnel testing and telemetry and all of that. And it

(01:08:36):
would be crazy to think that any driver would go
into a race weekend without knowing every single finite aspect
of the engine, the car and just how it's going
to perform. And if you're going out to the race itself,
you know that you appreciate that, and it's part of
what captivates us towards racing is watching and making sure
that everything is so fine tuned exactly where it needs

(01:08:56):
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(01:10:02):
Eddie Garrison here as well, joining us now in the program.
He is the head basketball coach of the Mary and Knights,
and as we have been talking about and a few
occasions today, reflecting upon the life and career of Bob Hamil,
I figured that Pat Knight would be able to share
his thoughts on it because, and Pat, you tell me

(01:10:23):
if I'm wrong in this. I don't know what your
relationship was with Bob Hamill growing up, but I know
what Bob Hamill meant to your father and that working
relationship that became a friendship between the two of them.
And my initial thought was I wonder if Pat almost
saw Bob as like an uncle type figure. But thanks
for joining us, and just wanted to give you the

(01:10:44):
chance to kind of expand upon what relationship you might
have had with Bob Hamil.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Well, you know, the one thing you always got to remember,
your dad's friends are not necessarily your friends, right, especially
when he got a famous dad.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
I mean you find out quick.

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
You know, you don't hear from guys man. You know
that bothered you always calling it because they couldn't get
a hold of your dad. But you know, mister Hamil though,
it was like one of my dad's true friends. You know,
my dad always had a saying and I'll clean it up,
get them all but six, and it has to do

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with really your six best friends are going to be
your pall bear, and mister Hamil would have been one
of those. You know, he's one of those type guys
with my dad and you know my relationship now. He's
always great to me. You know, his son Babysip, sat
my brother and I. His son Rick, who's a doctor,
babysatus when we're kids. He worked my dad's camps. He

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actually took me to Star Wars. I had to sit
on Rick's lap to see Star Wars when it was
at the Vonley Theater in Bloomington in like nineteen seventy seven,
and so you know, I've known the Hammils, you know,
my whole life. And but but then, you know, I
didn't say him for a long time. Then when we
brought Coach back to live in Blowington, you know, four

(01:12:08):
or five years before he passed, it was great to
see mister Hamill again because he's always coming in and
every week having dinner with my dad and checking up
on him. But from my standpoint, just I don't know
if my dad had a better friend, you know, just
because you know, mister Hamill could kind of tell my
dad's stuff that other people would be scared to tell them.

(01:12:31):
But just their love for sports. I mean, you talk
about two guys and they could sit down and talk
about baseball, football, basketball. I mean it didn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Most of the time.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
They didn't even talk about Indiana basketball. I mean, it's
usually you know, my dad was a huge Yankees fan.
Mister Hamil's a Chicago White Sox fan. I mean, even
towards the end, even with my dad's Alzheimer's, he'd remember
that he'd always wear his Yankees cap when mister Hamill
would come visit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
And so it was just a great friend.

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
Of my dad and help my dad a lot, you know,
just through his whole life, just being one of those
guys my dad.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Could talk to.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
He would never take anything personal, just kind of knew
how to handle my dad's temperament.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
What do you think it was pat that allowed you know,
I mean your father in particular. So Bob Hamil arrived
at Bloomington in nineteen sixty six, He grew up in Huntington,
wrote for the Huntington newspaper and then came to the
Bloomington Harold Telephone now the Harald Times. What do you
think it was that allowed your dad? I guess to
trust him and let him in because you know, while

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I did not know your father well obviously, I think
everybody knows that he didn't let a lot of people
in that inner circle. What do you think was the
source of the mutual respect between the two.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Well, you know, talking to mister Hamill, especially these last
few years, you know, when he'd come and check on
my dad, we talked about it. So, you know, mister
Hamill's brother was a really good high school coach, and
when my dad got the job, his brother actually like
called him up and said, Hey, this guy's gonna be
great for Indiana. You know, I look what he's done

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at West Point. We're finally going to play defense. Well,
mister Hamill wrote a skating article how my dad was
going to be awfuled Indiana. No one was going to
like the defense to love scoring games. And so they
actually ended up at the same gas station.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Pumping gas for their cars.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
And of course mister Hamil's like, can I look over
there and there's your dad, And I'm like, oh boy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
And so of course my dad gave him, you know,
a little heck.

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
And but mister Hamill kind of apologized and said, hey,
this is that was just my my feelings, blah blah blah.
And you know, miss Hamilton, he was just upfront with them,
you know. And and my dad was just like, hey,
you know what, when we do a real interview, I'll
come pick you up and bring you know, bring you
by the office and listen, sit down. So mister Hamilt,

(01:14:59):
thank it was just being honest. Even though he wrote
a skating arracle. He just told him the reasons why
he wrote it, what his feelings were. But you know,
he'd like to know why my dad thinks his style
would work. And so I think you know talking mister Hamil,
it is, this is honest, and you know he one
lit favoritism. I mean there's other stories like in seventy

(01:15:21):
seven he wrote an oracle. You know, guys were transferring,
they didn't finish, you know, had a down year after
going on the feed in seventy six, and my dad
called him like, hey, I thought we were friends, and
you know, mister Hamil is like, we are, but I
have a job to do. So I think my dad
always appreciated that, you know, if you were honest with
him and up front and didn't sugarcoat thanks. And I

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think that's what got their relationship off to a great start.

Speaker 6 (01:15:45):
Pat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
I had once heard Pat Knight, our guest, the head
basketball coach at Marion. I had once heard that when
Woody Hayes was fired from Ohio State for punching Charlie
Bauman after the Gator Bowl, you know with Clemson, that
it was your dad, Bob Knight, that called Woody Hayes
and said, look, you've got to back down from this,

(01:16:06):
like you can't. You've got to apologize to the kid.
You've got to make amends here. And that that and
I don't know if that story is embellished or if
that was accurate, that it was Bob Knight that called
Woody Hayes. But either way, I'm curious. Do you think
there were ever occasions where your dad may have crossed
the line or aired and Bob Hamil was the one
that spoke to him. Well, but well, I'm saying we

(01:16:29):
know that there were times he crossed the liner air,
but were there times where Bob Hamil was the one
that maybe was the one that had the ability to say, Bob,
you've got to you've got to walk this back.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Oh yeah, no, definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
That's why I was talking about, like, you know, the
Six Paul Bears. He was one of those guys and
he could take it. You know, he'd gotten kicked out
of the office of locker room, but you know knew
he was going to get a phone call later, you
know if coach is wrong and apologized. But he was
one of those few guys that could kind of you know,
you may want to say, think about this, you know,

(01:17:01):
and that story is true about Coach is by the way,
but uh yeah, mister Hamill is always one of those
guys that, you know, when the craft would hit the fan,
you know, it was coach. It wouldn't even have to
be on the basketball court, you know, just you know,
if he was upset with somebody or did something. Yeah,
mister Hamill is always one of those guys that you know,

(01:17:23):
could kind of tell him.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
In a good way, knew how to approach it. But
then he didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
But he knew that, you know, the messenger could get
killed at times, and but it never bothered him, never
held a grudge or anything because he knew deep down,
you know, my dad loved him, and you know, eventually
it may take a couple of good days. If my
dad was wrong, he would either stop by or call
him up. And uh, but that was a great thing
about that relationship to have a guy like that and

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not one of your assistants, not you know, an athletic director.
You know, mister Hamil was a writer and just a
guy kind of on the outside looking in. And so
I think my dad could even trust him even more
from that standpoint, because you know, he didn't work for
the university one on his staff and so mister Hamill
won a yes man. And so yeah, I think that's

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a good question, and you hit it right of than those. Yeah,
mister Hamil is one of those few people you know
that could really, you know, have those conversations with my dad.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I'm curious, by the way, and I did not know
that maybe I should have done this. I did not
know that your father, Bob Knight, was a big Yankees fan.
I would have assumed a Cardinals fan because of his
relationship with Larusa, or even a Red Sox fan because
of his admiration for Ted Williams. But when you were
growing up, one thing I don't recall you mentioning much

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was baseball itself. Did you have a baseball team growing up?

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
Yeah, so my dad, so the Reds were our team
growing up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
I was bat boy for the Reds.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
We'd go down to Tampa Bay, stay at the Reds Hotel.
We were really close to Sparky Anderson, the big red machine.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
I was only like five six years old, but I
used Pete Pete Rose gave me his glove. My brother
and I his glove down at spring training. And I
actually used Pete rose glove for my whole baseball career.
Everyone thought I was full of it because they had
fourteen on the thumb and rose across the knuckles.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Everyone thought I took a.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
Sharpie and did that, but it's actually Pete Rose's real glove.
And so the Reds were our team, and then of
course my dad and the Cardinals we went over all
the time, and LaRussa was there. But for him though,
as a kid, it was always the Yankees through his
whole life. And then you know, he got to have
a great relationship with George Steinbrenner, and so his mom

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was a big Cleveland Indians fan being there in Ohio.
But my dad, for some reason just you know, it
was probably because they were so good. Grew up just
loving all the Yankees, and but when it came to
us growing up, that was the time he got to
know Sparky Anderson. So we were around the Reds a
lot when I was growing up, So that was my team.
But my dad always had that love for the Yankees though,

(01:20:02):
and so it's funny, you know, he and Hammill, even
my dad towards the end with the Alzheimer's, we could
get him going when it came to the Yankees and
the White Sox, and coach would put that hat on
when he knew mister Hamill was coming over. And uh,
but as one of the ways. You know, if he's
the one that having one of those.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Bad days, weren't talking a lot, we.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
Could always get him going with something when it came
to baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
And then what about from an NFL standpoint, I mean,
you and I grew up in an era where there
was no NFL team for the better part of our childhood.
Did you have an NFL team growing up?

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
The Bengals. Yep, Cincinnati was because it's it's close by.
I actually got to tell my wife because we got
tickets to go to the Bengals Lions, uh in October.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
And I grew up.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
I actually got my dad got me a Bengals helmet
as a little kid for Christmas. So it was the
Bengals and the Reds when I was growing up.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
I would have thought he would have been your dad,
a Browns fan, just growing up in the proximity to Cleveland,
how big the Browns were, especially in that era.

Speaker 5 (01:21:02):
He was, uh, well, for some reason when we got
to Bloomington, everything was the Reds and the Mangles. But
you know he has great stories of you know, meeting
Coach Brown and and you know Hablecheck. No one knows
this Haplecheck was going to play for the Browns because
right Orbach was so cheap with his contracts.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
My dad actually went down to.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
Training camp when Habilcheck was trying out for the Browns
and actually convinced him to sign the contract with the Celtics.
And so, but it's kind of funny. I don't know
what happened with my dad kind of leaving Ohio, kind
of left the Cleveland teams behind.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
And growing up is always the Cincinnati days.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
You know, Pat, you should do you should have a
radio show. You should just do three hours of story
time with that night. I'll take come in here and
just do it for three hours maybe.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
If I have a job, right, you know, I got
where I don't to be careful.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Well, here's the other thing. And I'm impressed by this,
And this is a sign of your maturation, which is impressive.
I don't know what, fifteen eighteen minutes here and this
time no swearing, which is impressive, right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
I promise you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
I mean he practice makes perfect, right.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
But I got a great handl story that honest God.
So you've seen coaches out takes, the golf out takes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Oh yeah, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
So we were talking and this is just you know
it was a few months before like coach passed and
we were talking about the golf out takes and I
was telling my stories about you know clubs and the
I mean clubs in the lakes, up in the trees.
And so that day when Coach picked him up to

(01:22:46):
do their first like real interview, they stopped off at
the IU course and they got out of the car
and mister Hamill is like, you know what we're doing
and my Dad's like, hey, just walk with me. So
they went to this one hole and my dad went
in the woods started climbing up the tree.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Mister Hamil's like what are you doing. He's like, why
chew my putter up here the other day? And he
got stuck in the tree. My dad climbed up the
tree and mister Hamil said, right when he got up
to the limb, the girls golf team started coming through.
And so my dad was so embarrassed. He didn't want
the girls golf team to see the brand new basketball

(01:23:27):
coach up in the tree looking for his putter. Mister
Hamil said, he clung to that tree. Why, Like four
foursomes of girls went through and mister Hamil said, mister
Hamil said, he just acted like he was going for
like a morning walk, you know, And he said, no,
I mean, I'd never even heard that story before. And
he said, my dad clung to life, didn't say a word,

(01:23:48):
and like four foursomes of the girls went through and
never knew that the new basketball coach is up in
the tree getting this putter.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
If you had to guess, was that the only time
he ever had to go up in a tree and
get his putter?

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
Oh no, but you got to he'd send my brother
the woods, the ponds, I mean, and not just the club.
I mean there were times where the whole bag went
into the water.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
I do remember, and I'm not just making this up
for the sake of a radio show. The one thing
I remember when it comes to golf is during the
time that we were in college together, you one day
said you were going to go golfing with your dad.
It was in the off season, and you were back
home like forty five minutes later, and we're like, I
thought you were golfing today, and you said, yeah, my
dad had like a rough second hole, and that was

(01:24:34):
the end of it. That we did not play a team.

Speaker 7 (01:24:37):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
You got ask Brian Evans.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
We went to Portugal to play this. When we're at tech,
we take these. We go to Ireland and Scotland to
play golf with a big group of guys.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Brian Evans was on the trip until the last day.
We got to play with Coach.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
And I mean he first hole, shanks a shot and
he takes his iron and it's like he's cutting a tree,
cutting down a tree his golf bag with his iron. Well,
we get to the next hole, he pulls his driver out.
Half the driver comes out. He had broken all his
clubs by hammering. So he had to borrow Brian Evans

(01:25:14):
and Mine's clubs for the next seventeen holes because he
totally cut all his clubs in half from one bad
shot on the first hole.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Yeah, it seemed as though, you know that the temper
was fairly famous. I mean, let's be honest with the temple.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
But I think that's another thing that what he and
mister Hamil relationship was so good. Now, mister Hamill won
an outdoors men, so he didn't go fishing with the coach,
he didn't go golfing. I mean their time spent together
was this, you know, two guys hanging out telling stories
and talking about sports, and so I think that even
helped their relationship more that you know, mister Hamill didn't

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have to play golf with them, or tennis or or
go fishing with us.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Marion basketball will be in season before we know it.
That Night Head coach and Pat. I certainly appreciate the
time today, great stories as always, and your reflection on
Bob Hammel as well, and look forward to having you
back on to talk about everything you got going on
with the Night's basketball program, which will be here before
we know it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
I appreciate you guys, have a good one all.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
I appreciate it Pat Night joining us on the program.
We'll take a break, we'll talk a little bit more
about Colts camp as well. JJ stankovits going to join
us talking about the article that he has up for
the Colts. This is Carli Ers Gordon's vision for the Colts.
We will get into that coming up in just under ten.
Colts Rookies report today. Veterans tomorrow practice getting underway, the

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first one at Grand Park ten o'clock on Wednesday. That
holds true for Thursday as well, ten until eleven o'clock
in the morning. Practice then Friday from ten until eleven
fifteen at Grand Park. Jjstankovitz of Colts dot com has
a column up after a long discussion interview, I guess
a glimpse into carli ers Gordon and exactly what carli

(01:27:02):
Ersa Gordon now with the unfortunate passing of her father,
but now becoming Even though all three of Jim Hersey's
daughters will entitle be listed as the directors or the
top brass for the Colts organization, carli Ersa Gordon is

(01:27:22):
ultimately the one of the three, I think where the
buck stops. But as the owner and CEO by title,
carli Ers Gordon with the article this is carli Ersa
Gordon's vision for the Colts. JJ wroate it joins us. Now, JJ,
let's begin with this. When you were preparing this particular story,
and I want to be you know, clear here to

(01:27:45):
offer for you, I guess the you know, this is
a situation where you're writing an article about and illuminating
the storyline of the person who is your boss, you
know when it all comes down to it, so that
there has to be a delicate balance there. But what
did you learn when you were undergoing the process of
just kind of letting colts fans know exactly the vision

(01:28:09):
of leadership at this point.

Speaker 7 (01:28:11):
You know, what I learned was the amount of time
and thought and energy that Carly has put into this,
you know, taking over ownership and handem with her sisters.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
For her dad.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
It really is a mess.

Speaker 7 (01:28:29):
And you know, even in a you know, two hour
conversation I had with her, I still I probably didn't
get the whole scope of everything that she has done
to prepare for this. And the thing that I wanted
to come through in the article, Jake was, you know,
I've talked with Carly before, and all my conversations with
her are very interesting. I really enjoy them. I think

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she's a very thoughtful person. What I wanted to come
through in the article was just she has put a
a tremendous amount of work into this moment, and you know,
I think, like the question I've been getting from a
lot of people is like, you know, well, how's it
going to be with you know, the daughters taking over

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for their dad? And what I've told them, and what
I wanted to get through in this article was like,
it's not like, you know, their dad passed away and
no one had any involvement in the organization, or they
were sort of nominally involved and you know, they were here,
but they weren't really doing a whole lot. It's like, no,
they've been involved, and they have really applied themselves into
certain areas of the organization, and Carly applying herself to

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learn as much about football as possible, which really is
in the kind of in the vein of what her
dad did. Where you know, Jim he when the team
moved from Baltimore to Indianapolis, his dad said, Okay, you're
the GM now, or any of CARSI resigned, You're the GM.
And he was in that role for ten years and
he learned a lot about football through that. And I

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think Carly over the last probably twelve thirty fourteen, fifteen
years has had kind of a fuller education in the sport.
And what I think that allows her to do is
to operate an antol franchise with certain guardrails that come
from her knowledge of football, which I think is a

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big positive for an organization to have that in ownership,
you know, to again kind of set those guardrails and
lay the tracks and the vision for what the organization
is going to feel like without meddling or you know,
criticizing I guess like unfairly certain aspects of it that if.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
That makes sense, j J.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
One of the things that and I'm this is a reality, okay,
I mean, I'm not going to be naive to realities. Okay,
there probably is a reality. I don't I don't think
amongst all, and I certainly don't think it's probably to
the number that it was, say thirty years ago. But
the reality is that there are those those that are
going to say, like, well, you know, a female owner

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in sport, I mean that alone is obviously somewhat unique,
but a female owner within the NFL, and then on
top of that, one that inherited the ownership just through
familial tie as opposed to you know, having a business
empire elsewhere. Those are two things that, albeit unfairly, are

(01:31:25):
going to be assumptions or stereotypes that are placed thereof
from the outside. Do you think that she is aware
of that or even you know what I mean, gets
caught up in that noise.

Speaker 7 (01:31:40):
I think, you know, sitting here as a man, I
would probably I would have to just guess that you
can't not be aware of it. As a woman in
football circles, right, but she has done a very intentional
job of, you know, belonging in those environments. And I mean, look'

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to kind of your larger point about you know it is,
you know, I would assume most ownership groups and most
principal owners are men. But a team right now in
the NFL that is viewed as a model franchise and
how they've built things is the Detroit Lions, whose principal owner,
Sheila Ford hamp is a woman who inherited the team.
So I don't think that is at all a you know,

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I think some people might be biased, but there is
a direct example five hours to the north of us
of how a woman run franchise can operate incredibly well
and incredibly successfully. So, you know, and that's not to
say anything of you know, anything else about the Lions

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or you know what with the cult situation. But look,
I mean, car Carly knows a lot about football, she
knows a lot about leadership, she knows a lot about people,
and those three things lend themselves very well to the
direction the franchise. An NFL franchise can take under ownership,
whether that owner is a man or a woman.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Do you get the impression JJ JJ Stekovic is our
guest Colts dot Com. We're talking about uh and we'll
shift into just a second from now the fact that
the Colts training camp is getting underway. But Carli ers Gordon,
that is the lead story right now on the website
and in talking to her or her sisters, you know,
any of the three of them. And I don't know

(01:33:28):
this answer. Clearly they grew up around football, but did
they did they grow up as big football fans or
is it something that you know, it was just more
the business aspect that was of interest to them.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
I mean, they are all very knowledgeable about football, and
the history of this organization means a great deal to them.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:33:51):
One of the things that did make the article was,
you know, Carly. Carly was talking about Dwight Spreeeney's Hall
of Fame. It was his Hall of Fame induction weekend
and the kind of you know party they had there,
and she something she mentioned was, you know, I wish
you could just bottle up the vibe in that room
and you know, kind of present it because she was like,

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no one in that room was talking about you know,
how shiny the trophy they all won was they were
all talking about what it took to get there. And
you know, look, another part of it was, I think
it was at the Super Bowl year where you know,
mister Rsay was very intentional about involving his daughters within
team events, within team things. When you know, back then,

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I think Carly would have been in an early twenty
Casey would have been maybe late teams. Caln would have
been a team. I don't you know know off the
top of my head on that, but you know, they're
all very involved and I think they all very much
took after their dad in terms of not just being
you know, involved in the business side, but if our

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if our family business is football, you know, we also
really like football. And I think you couldn't spend five
minutes talking to Carly without understanding she loves football. She
is a football junkie. She can get as deep in
the weeds as anyone when it comes to talk and ball,
and you know that that is really cool. She's a

(01:35:17):
very curious person when it comes to the sport and
because of that she has learned a lot and really,
uh you know, really enjoys the intricacies of the game,
and you know, the conversation she's had with you know,
coaches who have been in this building about how do
you know, how do you coach a cover two versus
you know, an inverted cover two? And certain you know,

(01:35:39):
deep in the weeds details like she has that because
she wants to learn and she definitely loves the sports.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
One of the things I thought was interesting JJ in
your column is the quote and I'm not sure when
and where exactly she had said it, but when talking
about Anthony Richards, and maybe it was to you specifically,
but the quote where she basically said, and I'm paraphrasing,
you know, there is still time for him to to
learn everything that goes into being a starting quarterback in

(01:36:08):
the NFL. Is there a little bit of like a
desired motivation or push that comes with that quote?

Speaker 7 (01:36:15):
No, that I included that quote because it came at
the end of the section about you know, her kind
of talking about process and how you know, as an
owner you have to have a very a very broad
horizon to you know, look at things, and you know,
as part of that she did say, you know that
there we still have time with Anthony, but competition is

(01:36:39):
key and you know, nothing brings out the best and
someone like this, you know, having a sense of urgency,
you know. And I included that actually after she was
talking about you know, Grover Stewart and Nick Cross and
their developmental you know, curve. And I just think it
was important because that's what she said in the article
is exactly how the Colts have operated this off season.

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It's not like they they have thrown Anthony Richardson into
the number three spot or even the number two spot
right now in the quarterback depth chart. It's been we're
bringing in Daniel Jones to compete. We still believe in Anthony.
We think Daniel Jones has something he can bring to
this team. And at no point has Shane Styken or
Chris Ballard and said we've given up on Anthony Richardson

(01:37:24):
and Carli urthe Gordon Buttress bat by saying there's still time.
Everything that Chris Ballard and Shane Styken has said this
off season has been aligned with what she said in
the article. So I under you know, I wanted to
put it in there because I thought it was important
for fans to hear what she had to say about
that situation. But it also came in the larger context

(01:37:47):
of having a process and you know, telling that fine
line between being patient but not being too patient, or
you know, being reactionary but not being over reactionary, you know,
when it comes to the issues of thinking organization. So yeah,
but again, Jake, it really was aligned with everything else
that we have heard from the coach and the GM

(01:38:08):
of the football team this offseason.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Jj, do we know you know, one of the favorite
things JJ Stankovic is our guest from Colts dot com.
Colts again, Rookies reporting today, Veterans tomorrow, and then practice
gets under a Wednesday ten o'clock in the morning from
ten until eleven. That same schedule Thursday and Friday, Friday
goes until eleven fifteen. You know, one of the things

(01:38:30):
I think that fans most enjoyed about training camp was,
in fact, the Jim Mersey access. The fact that he
was out there, he would you know, fans could talk
to him. Also the fact that he would answer a
lot of questions to the media, you know at some
point during camp and just kind of give almost like
a state of the Union type thing. Do we anticipate
that that continues?

Speaker 7 (01:38:51):
You know, I don't know that that that's you know,
probably above my pay grade here. But you know, I
do like the press conference that currently Arsa, Gordon Casey
Foyt and Kaylen Jackson had back in June. You know,
they they answered plenty of questions. I thought they all were,
you know, very impressive in that press conference. I don't

(01:39:15):
know what it will look like, and that's kind of
about all I can I can, I can you know,
answer you on that one, Jake JJ.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
In terms of the I guess camp itself, the biggest
storyline to you of intrigue, not including the quarterback position,
would be what.

Speaker 7 (01:39:32):
Okay, thank you, because I was like, if you ask
me the biggest storyline, you know, you know what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
Of course for me.

Speaker 7 (01:39:40):
I I'm really interested in how the defense comes together.
If you look at what lou An Riumo had in
Cincinnati when those defenses were good back in twenty twenty
one and twenty twenty two, it was a lot of veterans,
a lot of veterans in the back end of that defense.
You know, you look at von Bell and Jesse Bates
at safety, Chindobia Wuzier at cornerback, and I think what

(01:40:01):
you look at what this Colts defense has in the
back end are a lot of veterans and a lot
of guys who I think it's the way lou Aroumo
wants to play defense. And that's not just Tarvarius Ward
and Cambinenen who came in stof season very obviously targeted moves,
but you know, Kenny Moore has inside outside flexibility. You know,
Nick Cross really came on last year in a really

(01:40:24):
impressive way. I think there's some really interesting stuff that
lou Aroumo can do with those guys in the back end.
And then do we see more blitzes? You know, Louenarumo
is a guy who isn't you know, we're not talking
about Brian flora is here or you know Link Martindale,
but a guy who is going to blitz more than
Gus Bradley did. And how do how do those blitzes look?
How does the personnel upfront look with being in more

(01:40:47):
dying situations where you've got six DB's on the field.
I just think there's a lot that I really can't
wait to unbox with that defense in camp, because I
do think they have a chance to be pretty good. Now,
you got to probably the path trush to take a
step forward. I think that that kind of starts with
LAYOUTI BLOCKO taking a step forward, but defensively, man, there's

(01:41:08):
gonna be some really interesting things that you know, I
can't wait to kind of track over the course of
a couple of weeks up a grand.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Park and again everything getting underway Wednesday at ten o'clock
in the morning. I assume JJ once again all of
the like the family fun events and the kid events
and everything else that is accessible just to the outside
of the camper as you walk in as all all
back there once again.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
Right, it's back there.

Speaker 7 (01:41:33):
And I got to tell you can find my kids
at Blues trick Shot Zone where they will be attempting
to Blues coming up with like a new trick shot
every day, you know those like videos that like Blue
and like Dude perfect do. You can find my kids there,
and you might even find me there if I need
a little break from the eater something will pop over
there and try to do a trick shot. Which, by

(01:41:54):
the way, when Blue had that set up at our
media day, I did hit the trick shot. He had
the little pink on ball found and only.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Three tries, you know, The only weird thing about that
is your kids are twenty six and twenty two, right, No, they.

Speaker 7 (01:42:07):
Are five years old. But as a thirty six year old,
I would happily spend some time there.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
Let's go, right, yeah, why not? Right? All right? Everything
getting underway Wednesday, it will be we will be out
there doing the show Wednesday, Thursday and Friday again Colts
dot com, where you can read not just that story,
but all the coverage as it relates to Colts Camp.
JJ appreciate it as always.

Speaker 7 (01:42:29):
Yeah, thanks for earving me on, Jake appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
I appreciate it, Jjstankovi. It's joining us from Colts dot Com.
I think it's going to be interesting, you know, all
of it in all aspects that we talked about. And yeah,
I mentioned earlier it and I know that this is
probably just a part of you know, just life in

(01:42:51):
general and stuff flying around. But it feels to me, Eddie.
You tell me if you agree or disagree. It feels
to me like summers go faster and fast and faster.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Well, certainly it helps when the pacers are playing until June.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
Well that's true. That's a really good point.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
And then you have the w NBA All Star Game here.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
So I'm looking forward to the State Fair that gets
underway at the start of August. Right, so we got
two weeks before the State Fair, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
And I believe he'll be out there at the there
bar and then you'll be out there for at least
one time. I know you're out the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
But we're down there for the for the Governor's Cup yep,
for the State Fair and the you know, the Indiana
Harness Race that takes place. I just the and I
know that the Fair. It kind of feels like the
official ending of summer. It's weird to think now that
the Fair takes place so much longer after kids go
back to school. I mean, I have a friend that
teaches in Warren Township. They start today today.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
It's unreal, man, it is unreal.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
But again that that's you know, you get the year
round school and they you know, they have different in
terms of the breaks and spring break and all that.
They do go longer those terms. But I have how
often do you go to the State Fair? Ready? Do
you go each year? Yes? Yes, you have State Fair traditions.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Uh not really. We tried to go on Tuesdays.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
Now if you. I think it was last year. We
went one day and it was during one of the
like free free days or two dollar days or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
I could not believe, like the traffic. It was unbelievable
trying to get in there. But my tradition every year,
you gotta go to the dairy bar. You gotta get
a grilled cheese sandwich, you got to get a milkshake. Right, yeh,
last year that's stay Fair. That's right, that's right. We
ran into you were hanging out in the beer tent. Right, No,
you were in the beer tent. I was, yeah, I

(01:44:45):
just we saw you at the beer tent. We always
go in, so we get the grilled cheese, we get
a milkshake, then we go in and we get now
that you can do it, we get one of the
craft beers from Indiana, and then we do we did.
We just walk the loop. You walk the loop, you
gotta get a usually got to get and ircorn while
you walk the loop and just walk around. And I
don't really do the rides, but I do watch what's

(01:45:06):
that one ride? I think it's called the Alpine something
that I mentioned every year, and it's kind of a
it's a kind of a circular ride, but it goes
like up and down. It goes around, but there's a
hill to it. There's an elevation change and it always
plays like hard rock music and people go on that
and try to look cool and they're getting there, like

(01:45:30):
flying all over the place, and we watch that and
absolutely gofaugh at people. It is the greatest people watching
thing ever. We do that every year walk around. I
usually try to go through some of the different barns
with people's artwork and sculptures and things like that. Yeah barn, yeah, yeah,
because I figure, you know what I mean, it's cool
to see people's hard work that's on display and people

(01:45:52):
that were awarded for different things that certainly merits it.
Do you like going to the swine barn? I do,
but then't here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Oh no, it messes up your.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
Aura or aroma. Well you get that right. There is
a great tradition of seeing the world's largest boar laying
on his side and then watching little parents have to
explain to those little kids exactly what's going on with
the nerve football smuggling. But as I've gotten older, like

(01:46:22):
I kind of like pigs, I think pigs are cool.
They're smart. They I think for the most part, they're
they're pretty friendly. They know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
My cousin is a pet pig.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
Yeah, see, that's the thing. And and yet then I
go to the state Fair and I realize that's the
one place you don't want to be the grand champion
because it ain't good right. So I do feel bad
when I walk through it because I usually reach down
and kind of give them a little pet. And then
I realize your pet voice, Oh of course, okay, hello buddy, Hello, Yeah,

(01:46:58):
And then I realize the fate, and it kind of
makes me sad. I'm not gonna lie to you now.
When you go and you pet sit and you sit
in and watch boo, do you use a a feline
like a pet voice for Boo? Yes? I do? Do
you really?

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
I have a pet voice? I have three?

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
And so let me hear like I would around doing
it on the radio. No, why not? I mean I
just did it because you're you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
I am me. I don't want to do my pet voice.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Over the radio. Do you call him just boo boo booskers?
I do call him booskers, Yeah, little buddy. Yeah, does
he respond to it. Yeah, that's not bad. That's not
a bad meal. Actually, he meows a lot. He's a
very vocal cat. I know, he's like you chatty, that's right. Yeah,

(01:47:39):
we just sit around and listen. By the time I
come on the air and I do a radio show,
this is the second installment I've done three hours of
rehearsal with Boo. That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Boo is very up to speed on the things that
irk me. How much did you have to explain to
him how football, baseball, basketball, all the sports workers?

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
He was a natural, got it, He's a natural cats. Actually,
if cats watch like baseball game, I swear, I mean
had softball too, Tennis. They like their eyes. They are
seemingly able to follow what goes on on a screen.
No question about that, no question about it. There was
something that took place here in terms of basketball in

(01:48:16):
Indiana over the weekend that away from the court I
think caught people's eye and ear, and I kind of
understand where athletes are coming from on this. We'll explain next.
Just saw this. I think this just came out within
the last hour or so. But this is sad news.

(01:48:36):
According to now multiple reports, Malcolm Jamal Warner, who played
THEO Cosby on The Cosby Show. And if you are
of my age range, you absolutely you know THEO Cosby
was man. I mean, there were so many great moments
on that show, but the one where I think the

(01:48:59):
moment that I think of the most with THEO Cosby,
there were two. One of them when he so badly
wanted the designer shirt and Denise said that she would
make it for him and it was a complete disaster.
And I wish I remember the name of the designer
that he wanted something Gatrell, Jermaine Gatrell. I'll have to

(01:49:24):
look it up, but any rate. The other one being
when he talked about how you know, when Doctor Huxtable
was telling him about growing up and responsibilities and money,
and he was talking about how he didn't need a
lot of money because he wanted to live in a
different fashion, with different morals and whatever else. And they

(01:49:45):
went through, dollar by dollar how much it would cost
him to live and that was another classic moment. But
Malcolm Jamal Warner, apparently in Costa Rica on a family vacation,
has passed away after drowning at the age of fifty
four on a family trip that According to People magazine,

(01:50:08):
the actor was in Costa Rica on a family vacation
and drowned while swimming. A rep for Warner did not
immediately respond to People's request for comment, but is now
being reported numerous places that Malcolm Warner has passed away
at the age of fifty four. Theo Huxtable was again,
you know, basically my age during the time that that

(01:50:30):
show was out, and so he was just extremely relatable
I think, in so many areas to so many different
people in demographics. I know, for me, there was a
guy that I went to school with named Adell Means
who looked exactly like theo Huxtable and to this day
Adell Means every time I see him, I'm like, you know,
you were theo Huxtable to me. But that show was

(01:50:51):
so important, I think because and there was some level
of and I understand this now more so than I
did in the time, but at that time, that show,
that The Cosby Show was so relatable and so enjoyable
to so many people. And you know the fact that
you had an African American family living in affluence in

(01:51:12):
New York City and Brooklyn with doctors and attorneys and
you know, and everything that goes into that at that
time was a significant thing. And then I also understand
the polarization for some of saying, but an African American
family can be relatable regardless of whether or not it's
one of influence and affluence. And I get all of that.

(01:51:32):
But and certainly Bill Cosby, we know the story there.
But Malcolm Jamal Warner was very likable on that show
and I think went on to a career involving in
music and production and things like that after that show
was off the air. So sad news of Malcolm Jamal Warner.
The WNBA All Star Game, I made mention of this earlier.

(01:51:54):
I know that the players wearing the T shirts that
said pay us what you owe us did not go
over well with a lot of people. And I heard
a lot of people saying, look, the WNBA, like you know,
typical of the WNBA that just when they have momentum,
something like that comes along and they've got to go

(01:52:16):
out there and on the biggest stage where there probably
are more eyeballs on it than ever before. You have
players making that sort of a statement and how that
can turn people off. And I get it, I do,
But I do understand where the players are coming from. Now,
We as fans, as media, we don't want to hear

(01:52:37):
business talked about within sports. We don't want to hear
we don't want to be subject to the public discussion, debate,
negotiations with collective bargaining and things like that. We just
don't And so when you look at the WNBA players

(01:52:58):
coming out with that, we have this thought process that
sports are our playground, and sports are the one thing
that we buy and large for the most part, whether
you are a plumber, whether you're a mechanic, whether you're
an architect, whether you're an attorney, whether you're a surgeon,
whether you're a radio host. The one thing that most

(01:53:18):
people have in common is that at some point in
their life they had dreams of being a professional athlete.
You know, everybody, when you're a little kid, what do
you want to be when you grow up? I want
to be a firefighter. I want to be a police officer.
I want to be a doctor. I want to be
a football player. It's like usually one of those four things,
and it doesn't take long for most to figure out

(01:53:38):
that the professional athlete aspect of them. That's probably the
first one that reality takes that away from you. So
when you see professional athletes, then it is the natural
reaction for all of us to say, you're getting paid
to play a game that kids play. You're getting paid,
You're living my dream. How dare you get greedy when

(01:54:03):
talking about mine? I would do anything to be able
to be a quarterback. I'd do anything to be a pitcher,
And so we resent when those that do that then
seemingly sulk at the opportunities that are afforded them as
not being good enough. But we live in a world
of supplying demand. Somebody who is a plumber makes really

(01:54:27):
good money because there are only so many people in
his town that know how to exactly put pipes together
without water leaking, supplying demand. And if you can hit
a fastball at one hundred two miles an hour, you
can get paid for it because supplying demand. There's not
many people that can do that. There are few that
can do that. And the reality is, even though the

(01:54:49):
numbers in the math of the salaries are astronomical compared
to those professions that I just mentioned, so too, though,
are the finite number of people that can do that
skill set. And with the WNBA and the women of
the WNBA. I totally understand the notion of this is

(01:55:11):
a league that has yet to have a team. To
my knowledge, at least at least last time I had checked,
all of the franchises were still in the red and
all of the franchises were still Now I don't believe
the NBA subsidizes the WNBA at this point, but it
did for a very long time, and teams still were

(01:55:31):
not turning a profit. But it is very easy to say, therefore,
the collective Bargaining Agreement and those things need to fall
in line with that. Except for that's all about to
change when you look at the fact that the WNBA
now is getting ready to expand again and they are

(01:55:53):
bringing in Eddie. You tell me if I'm wrong here,
I'm going off memory. The teams the cities that we've
heard recently are going to now get teams as the
Houston and Cleveland, Is that right, Yes, two that have
had franchises before, granted.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
But Cleveland, Detroit, and Philadelphia. They're going out to eighteen teams.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
Cleveland, Detroit, and Philadelphia. Okay, So those three teams, it
is reported, had to pay an expansion fee entry fee
of two hundred and fifty million dollars. You throw into
that a new media rights partnership that is reported to
pay two point two billion with a B two point

(01:56:30):
two billion dollars, and so that means that that is
an additional three billion dollars now that is coming into
the WNBA. And so therefore I understand why the players now,
is the All Star Game where you have the highest
number of new eyeballs on your sport tuning in, is

(01:56:52):
the All Star Game the place to necessarily air that
out and make your case about that new agreement. Maybe not,
But at the same time, if you are wanting to
draw attention that you want people to be aware of
the situation, then mission accomplished. Because here we are in

(01:57:14):
Indianapolis talking about exactly that, you know what I mean,
And so I get why that T shirt in that
message was important. What were your.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
Thoughts on Kelsey Plumb in the postgame media availability after
the All Star Game pretty much title telling that no
members of Team Clark were present for this player's meeting
Saturday morning about the shirts.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
I thought it was interesting because I'm like, does that
mean that is she implying that Caitlyn Clark would have
had some sort of influence like that of limiting players
from doing that. I get. My reaction is this, would
she have said the exact same thing if it was
Paige Becker's or correct, correct, you know, Tina Charles or
somebody like that. Correct. The Kaitlin Clark thing that is

(01:58:04):
fascinating to me is my message would have been to that,
I understand what you're saying, but the income of which
you guys are now wanting a bigger slice of the
pie because the pie just got a lot bigger. What
player do you think is the most responsible for that? Yeah,

(01:58:25):
that there's your I mean, the WNBA has had fabulous players.
The Ana Tarassi is an amazing player. Cynthia Cooper was
an amazing player, Cheryl Soops is an amazing player. Rebecca
Lobo was a very good player. You know, they've had
Britney Grinder is a is a fabulous player, but none
of them have the commercialization polarization of a Caitlin Clark

(01:58:48):
to bring in that new audience that has created that
amount of money that I just mentioned. By the way,
Gordon Gartrell. Gordon Gartrell was the fat, the mythical fashion
designer that THEO Cosby wanted a ninety five dollars shirt.
But sad news, sad news about Malcolm Jamal Warner. Undoubtedly

(01:59:09):
my favorite song from the Who. Undoubtedly I saw last
night JANV has walked in. I saw bare Naked Ladies
last night. Not yes, not actual bare naked ladies, but
the band itself over at the Lawn. You know, I've
known like two or three of their hits. I guess, yeah,
I don't know that I really realized John how just

(01:59:32):
kind of overall fun and fun. And they're Canadians. Canadian
dudes are always fun, but they don't take themselves too seriously, right,
and they did. They actually did an a CDC cover
that was like it was like, Holy cow, it sounded
exactly like it. But it was a fun show. It
was definitely a fun show.

Speaker 6 (01:59:49):
And I called you yesterday the old apartment, this is
where we used to live.

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
Yeah, I did do that. Yeah, those guys were fun though.
But you had a good weekend, right.

Speaker 6 (01:59:58):
Ah, let me think about it for a minute. What
do I do most Saturday Night? Obviously was fun. It
was you know, we do whatever on the jam V
Takeover anyway, But when you have a whatever weekend, it's
even more magnified. Those are always always fun. I thought
Downtown was outstanding and now feel that I can can
share this because I come out of Downtown every single

(02:00:20):
Saturday nights last Sunday morning at about one am, and
normally it's an absolute mess, absolutely everywhere that going down
one way streets on scooters and they's just chaos. And
this was the type of weekend where it'd be nice
if you would just analyze what you did and try
to put that to good use, so maybe we can

(02:00:42):
have some fun with it, and we just don't, you know,
it's just not allowed when people were in town that
are from out of town. Maybe yeah, maybe not crap
so much where we eat, that'd be.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
Great, right, you're right about that? Yeah? What's on the
Big Show today? Joey Legana, Right, Joey Legano. What's this
deal with Ross Chastain? They're fighting? Is this your average
NASCAR fighting? Guys are always fighting in NASCAR. You can
ask him about his fighting.

Speaker 6 (02:01:05):
I'm going to ask him about Ross Chastain and his fighting.
Are you doing that Sunday?

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
I'm actually doing the Goodness SACA IndyCar Race because they're
on at the exact same time.

Speaker 6 (02:01:14):
Are you going to Laguna Seca?

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
No, I'm doing it. We're split the cruise and I'm
doing it from here.

Speaker 6 (02:01:20):
Laguna Seca is in pole position, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Uh? It is? Yeah, that's awesome. Speaking of which, Eddie,
do we have for great driving? God? It's all excited
A man. I love the goodness Seca though for there
we go? That's awesome. Maybe yeah, Modera, California is fabulous.
Love anything about it.

Speaker 6 (02:01:41):
So who does the NASCAR? Is that when they swoop
in themselves.

Speaker 1 (02:01:46):
We do a split cru So Yeoman and Michael Young
will do that, Mark James and I will do the
IndyCar side of things, and then the guys from PR
income over as well, Brad Gilly and that group. Cookie
Monster is the Grand Marshall. I saw that.

Speaker 6 (02:01:59):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
Is there a sponsorship behind that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:02:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
I don't know what that's all about.

Speaker 6 (02:02:04):
NASCAR's trying to save PBS.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
I know what they're doing. No, I don't know. I'm
just making crap. Might be it, I don't know. Yeah,
I mean because Cookie Monster and Elmo, my understanding is
they're they're looking for a place to live.

Speaker 6 (02:02:16):
Now right, Yeah, can you talk about your shot?

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Yeah? So I went in so premier weight loss John
that you obviously have worked with and Thomas and the
group over there is great. I went in there on
Friday because of the cardiovascular benefit of it, you know,
just in terms of the of you know, obviously it
goes without saying and I'm very fortunate and the fact
that I'm just at a maintenance level. I don't need

(02:02:41):
to necessarily lose weight, but in terms of the cholesterol
level and the cardiovascular benefit, I went in there and
talked with them and got underway and started with it.
So I look forward to sharing with people, you know,
as we go along the benefits from your heart standpoint
of that as well.

Speaker 6 (02:02:56):
Did you get in your underwear to get on the
whole body thing. No, I didn't go, you know, I
just get right down my onto it. There's a dude
like vision quest Jim. I look over and I'm like, yeah, man,
like that. This is not in a locker room in
the middle of the morning room. I asked her. I said, youn,
she goes, I'm a nurse. Okay, I just go full
vision quest.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
I don't care. That's good.

Speaker 6 (02:03:17):
Yeah, right, yeah, I want to make sure well when
I get it's like oil lagoon right here.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
It drives me more crazy when you go to the
doctor than when they weigh you and then and you know,
and you're fully clothed.

Speaker 6 (02:03:27):
No with with shoes and boots on and.

Speaker 3 (02:03:32):
Off.

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
That exactly so.

Speaker 6 (02:03:34):
Malcolm Jamal Warner passed away in a drowning accident Costa Rica.
He was significant in the youth of Generation X, Is
he not?

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
No question? I mean that one of the great characters. Yeah,
and he went on. He's still did some acting, but
he went on. I think he was a musical producer
as well.

Speaker 6 (02:03:53):
Didn't have Malcolm and Eddie was a show on like
the c W for.

Speaker 1 (02:03:56):
A lot about that, Yeah, Malcolm and Eddie.

Speaker 6 (02:03:58):
Who was his best friend of the Cosby show? Can
you name him? His best friend was Nick Age Cockroach? Indeed, okay,
how about this?

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
Who was the who was the character on Different Strokes
that I don't think was ever that that was Arnold's nemesis.
They never showed him. But you heard the Gooch, the Gooch,
they never showed him.

Speaker 6 (02:04:18):
They ever showed the Goucho. The Gucer is a bully,
that's right, Do you I remember that when theo Malcolm
Jamal Warner got his ear pierced on an episode of
The Cosby Show.

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 6 (02:04:28):
Yeah, I kind of went for me when I got
my piers like that too. I had to I had
to run at school like my My basketball coach made
me run.

Speaker 1 (02:04:35):
Really got my ear piers? Yeah, my dad. I just
told the story the other day when I told my
dad that I got my ear pierce and my dad said,
you familiar with Vincent van Gogh, And I was like, well,
I guess I got the idea of what my dad's
thought process is.

Speaker 6 (02:04:47):
Did you do use a Claire's and the Bloomington Mall?

Speaker 3 (02:04:49):
I got in?

Speaker 1 (02:04:49):
I did mine. Uh. We were on spring break in
Daytona when I was a senior in high school.

Speaker 6 (02:04:54):
We went to some places the ice cube behind the needle.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
Yeah, they were casting on kids on spring break, right,
I didn't mind.

Speaker 6 (02:05:01):
At Claire's boutique and the Bloomington.

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
College Laiirs is probably the most common Claire's. By the way,
thanks to Pat Knight for coming on earlier and talking
about Bob Hamil speaking of Bloomington and referring to him
as mister Hammill. For the majority of it, but great
stories from Pat Yeah, and Bob Knight as well.

Speaker 6 (02:05:16):
Some of those writers along with Bob or are so
memorable because that was my my newspaper. Yeah, the Harald
Telephone and the Harald Times. But Rex Kurtz, Lenn Hauser,
Lynn Hauser, Yeah for sure. Just some incredible names down
there too, Andy Graham, who I think is still around
doing something I don't know, but yeah, just great names
for that newspaper.

Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
Yeah. Bob Hamil passing away at the age of eighty
eight over the weekend. Thanks to Pat Knight earlier that
will be up in podcast form. He told some great
stories about Bob Knight, including Bob Knight having to hide
in a tree for twenty minutes during a golf outing.
All available. John's up next, like.

Speaker 6 (02:05:50):
Hollywood Nights right there, let me tell you about wholes
something that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
We'll be back if you noon tomorrow. Thanks for listening
to Quaring Company.

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