Colts vs Broncos and Purdue vs USC Preview! Tim Stratton, Zach Osterman, and Kyle Neddenriep Join!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So here we are. Weekend is upon us, and there's
a lot to get to.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I mean a lot.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
You got Indiana Indiana State coming up that's tonight. That
seems to be and I mentioned it yesterday just i'll
say flippantly for lack of a better phrase, but you know,
we were just talking about high school football, and I remember,
you know, Tom Allen is one that was saying, like, look,
Friday night still should belong to high school football. And
I get it. I totally understand from a television standpoint

(00:30):
that kind of rules, you know, just in terms of scheduling,
but that game being set for a Friday night, there
are some I've seen that have, you know, from the
college football standpoint, that feel uncomfortable playing on a Friday
night because that's just always been a night that kind
of belonged to high school football. But nonetheless it'll be
a good environment. Indiana Indiana State coming up one o'clock today,

(00:52):
Purdue and USC two o'clock. I believe that's two o'clock tomorrow.
What time does that game tomorrow or three thirty three?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Thirst age?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Sorry, but at two o'clock today. Tim Stratton, who is
the first ever Mackie Award winner from Purdue, the tight
end that was a favorite target to Drew Brees, one
of the players like Seth Morales from yesterday. That was
a fun conversation with Seth Morales. Tim Stratton going to
join us two o'clock today to talk about not only
that game, but also I wanted to get his thoughts

(01:19):
and the reason I thought, and kudos to Todd Meyer
and Eddie Garrison for thinking of this aspect of it.
You know, Tim Stratton was the first Mackie Award winner,
which is given every year, the award given to the
best tight end in college football. And I'm curious how
much of that aspect of things. You know, does he

(01:42):
still watch tight ends? And what did he see from
Tyler Warren? How does he assess Tyler Warren. I know
that Tyler Warren has already gotten to levels as a
tight end that he clips you know where Tim Stratton played,
But nonetheless, he is a guy that played the position
and played it well perdue for a very long time
and clearly knows the position. So I thought he'd have

(02:05):
an interesting perspective not only about Purdue and USC and
the honor, but also Tyler Warren. We now know the
Indiana Fever who they are going to play. Eddie Garrison
is the pre and postgame host for the Fever radio
broadcast that you hear on this radio station. Eddie, you
can let us know now that Indiana will face who
and they will do so win.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
They will face the Atlanta Dreams. Sunday three o'clock. Game
number one will be down in Georgia. If you are
interested in catching some of that radio call, it will
be on ninety three WIBC on Sunday. Pregame coverage will
start at two forty five leading up to the Colt scheme,
So all the Colts coverage will be right here on
the fan in ninety seven to one Hank FM. So

(02:47):
this is a team that they played four times in
the regular season. Yes, they each won two, correct, that
is correct. They happen to play three, yeah, best of three.
It's the new one one one format. So one game
in Atlanta, then Tuesday night it will be at Gamebreach
Field House seven point thirty and game three, if necessary,
we'll go back down to Georgia and that game time

(03:07):
is to be announced on Thursday potentially if needed.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know what's funny about that? And I'm not You're
not wrong here, and this is just a weird ja
Querry brain quirk. When you said back down to Georgia whatever,
people talk about Atlanta, they never mentioned the state. You
ever notice that, It's always like everybody knows Atlanta. Yeah,
I'm going back down in Atlanta, going to Hotlanta, going

(03:31):
to Atlanta, you know, going the atl Yeah, like you
never hear people like there are certain cities that are
just synonymous with the state, you know, like Los Angeles.
People say like I'm going to LA but then they
might also say, yeah, I'm going out to Cali, going
to southern California, so cow whatever, right, Yep, Chicago. Nobody
says I'm going to Illinois, you know, back to Illinois.
You just go back to Chicago.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I guess I'm of nobody then, Jake, because when I
went there a couple of weeks ago, I told you
I was going to Illinois.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Did you Yeah, well you are nobody. But you know,
thank you, lass I digress, I thank you. It makes
me feel good. There is an interesting one, this feel
good friend the matchup coming up, by the way, it
is a Franciscan hell feel good good for the hert Friday,
I get a good story as it relates to the Colts.
As a matter of fact, coming up at two thirty today,
there's an interesting thing that will happen at Lucas Oil
Stadium on Sunday, and I'm talking about the quarterback matchup.

(04:24):
I don't know. We don't cover the Broncos regularly. Bo
Nicks is you know, you hear a lot of people
talk about Bo Knicks and the marriage with Sean Payton
and how advantageous that is. And yes, Shane Steichen is
a quarterback that we are as a quarterbacks coach so

(04:45):
to speak, that we hope awakens the you know, Daniel Jones'
career or was thought to get Anthony Richardson going, and
we'll see what happens with that. But I heard something
that I wanted to share because I found it fascinating
and I'm always intrigued by perspectives that make me say

(05:10):
I never looked at it from that angle. And what
I'm about to mention is something that I never looked
at from that angle, so to speak. And let me explain.
The quarterback position in the National Football League is the
most important position in sports. We know this, and you
are about to see on Sunday. Two quarterbacks, one in

(05:33):
which we still believe is in the young part of
his career and is on the proper trajectory in Bonix
because from the outside, you say, he immediately was paired
with a coach and Sean Payton that brings out the
best in quarterbacks. Look at the quarterbacks he's had, Look
at the success they've had. Sean Payton is that's where

(05:54):
you want to go play, That's who you want to
play for. If you're a quarterback. Then you have Daniel Jones,
who was in New York, didn't have a lot of weapons,
comes to Indianapolis and we say to ourselves, Shane Steiken
is a guy that is going to reach Daniel Jones,
and they're going to scheme to the benefit of Daniel Jones,

(06:17):
et cetera. But I'm going to go back to something
that happened to me in college. When I was in college,
of course, I attended Indiana and I was talking to
one of the play you know, the the dark dog
days of college basketball always happened, and it was different

(06:39):
back then because everybody had the same start day. I
think October fifteenth was when practice was officially allowed to begin,
and then teams would play their first game around Thanksgiving
Thanksgiving break era, there'd be tournaments and whatever else. And
so that first, while we didn't know it, while nobody
was in there, there was just this perception that the

(07:00):
first six weeks of the college basketball season was just
this dog days of like Junction Boys with Bear Bryant
and the heat with his Alabama teams that they made
thirty for thirties about and just you know, two days
and all of that, and it was like, man, I
can only imagine what a just procession of doldrum it's

(07:22):
got to be to do that. And so what I
knew as an outsider was that, and there's a point
to the Colts with this. What I knew was this.
What I knew was that Indiana basketball in those days
under Bob Knight ran a motion offense and a Manda
man defense. And I remember, I've never totally understood the

(07:49):
motion offense, and I'm free to admit that I know
the basic principle of it, but in terms of how
to run and how to make it precise. And people
can laugh and say, well, that's why you're just a
sports media guy, because you don't know sports. No, there
are people that have coached basketball for a long time
that don't fully understand the motion offense. Rick Barnes, who's

(08:10):
one of the best coaches in college basketball, has reached
out to people recently to ask them to better explain
the precision of the motion offense. I mean, it's a
very it's so simplistic, it's intricate. So I was talking
to one of the players at IU when I was
in college, and I said, man, as they were getting

(08:32):
ready for a game like in February, and I said,
how often do you guys just continue to work every
day on the motion offense? And they said not at all.
So what are you talking about. You've got to be
running the motion offense every single day in practice And
they said, no, no, no, we only run the motion offense
in practice if we're playing against a team that runs
a motion offense. And I said, explain, and they said,

(08:55):
from October fifteenth to Thanksgiving, all we do every day
is work on the motion offense. We perfect it, and
then when the season begins, we run every practice running
the offense of the team we're about to play. Our
defense is based on the fact that we know better

(09:17):
because we have the best brilliant mind in college basketball,
and Bob Knight, we know if we're getting ready to
play a team that plays a flex offense or a
Tennessee offense or whatever it might be, we know that
offense better than the opposition because when the game plan
comes out and we've got four days to prepare for
Texas A and M, we are taught and methodically go

(09:39):
over the way they play their offense. And then when
we go out in games. And I had one player
tell me, he goes, I'll never forget once we're playing
a team in the Big Ten, and I was telling
my guy, Dude, you're missing your cut. You're supposed to
cut this way, You're supposed to go back this way.
What are you talking about? He said, I know, because
we've been taught your offense better than you. And that's
how Indiana prepared for games. And so then I thought

(10:02):
about the quarterbacking position, and I thought about, sure, Sean
Payton is a great mind apparently to build and develop
a quarterback, and Shane Steichen is a great offensive mind
to build and develop a quarterback. But I heard something

(10:22):
interesting and it made me realize that perhaps and I'm
not saying this didn't happen with Anthony Richardson. And I'm
not saying that there's not still room to grow for
Anthony Richardson, but I want you to listen to something.
And I understand and respect that people in this town
don't like to hear a lot from Tom Brady. I
get it, but I found this to be fascinating. Tom

(10:46):
Brady was recently on with Colin Cowherd and they were
discussing the development of young quarterbacks and the assumption that
Tom Brady, when he was a young quarterback would have
just sat there and learned the offensive playbook like it
was nobody's business. Like Tom Brady would have been like

(11:09):
the Indiana basketball team that did nothing every single day
but practiced the motion offense. And Brady said something very interesting,
and he began this explanation of what happened to him
as a young player. Keep in mind Tom Brady as
a quarterback that came to the New England Patriots. Drew
Bledsoe was their franchise quarterback, and Tom Brady as a

(11:31):
young player had a quarterbacks coach who was in his
mid forties, Dick Raybin I believe was his name. That
unfortunately had a heart attack in Tom Brady's rookie year,
and thus in year number two, they really didn't have
a quarterbacks coach. And Bill Belichick was the head coach
of the New England Patriots. So all of a sudden,

(11:54):
you have this young quarterback out of Michigan and Tom Brady.
You have Drew Bledsoe, who's the franchise quarterback out of
Washington State, who ultimately would get hurt. Everyone knows that story,
and Tom Brady would take over. But Tom Brady's job
is to sit and watch practice and learn and learn
what is being taught to the quarterbacks. And instead of
the quarterback whisperer, instead of the guy that is teaching

(12:16):
mechanics and footwork and throwing motion and offensive plays and sets,
now all of a sudden, they have a different guy
mentoring the young quarterbacks. And this is a fascinating perspective
that I think we probably all overlooked. Here is Tom
Brady talking about that situation.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Phil Belichick became more of a quarterback coach than we
ever imagine him being a quarterback coach. He was a
defensive He was obviously a head coach very involved in
defensive game planning. But he decided to come in every
week and talk to the quarterbacks about coverage. All right, guys,
and he would do these big write ups and they

(12:57):
still have the more because I kept everything. This is
cover one. This is how they play it. This is
who we're responsible for who. Okay, if we line up
in a bunch formation, this is how they're going to
handle the bunch formation. This is why they do that.
This is the weakness of that, why they do that.
You shouldn't do this if this is how they cover this. Okay,
this is cover two. This is how they cover This

(13:18):
is they play two variations that Cover two when they're
in this variation. This is what they're treund's up when
they're in this various This is what they're trund stop. Okay,
this is cover four. This is how this team uniquely
plays couple four. We shouldn't line up in this formation
to try to run this concept for one year. I
had for actually more years beyond that. That's how I
developed and learned. Oh defense calls a certain play. This

(13:40):
is how we can We can put them in this
formation and they can back the coverage off and I'll
have a short thrown reason Oh great, I love that.
Let's do that. Nobody is getting that type of development.
So I learned from an offensive standpoint, watching Drew and
having very good offensive coaches. Then I had a defensive coach,
the best one of all time, teach me how to
re defenses. Then that would go out and meet with

(14:02):
player personnel, people you know who are very talented. Okay,
we go through the entire defensive lineup. Okay, these are
all the things that this defense does. This is what
this player does well. This player does well, this player
does well. That's development. You're giving people knowledge and information
that you could take to the field so that you

(14:23):
could play with confidence and anticipation, and that would free
you up to play a very aggressive style of football.
So I'm saying, what if you're a quarterback and you
go to a system and they don't teach you coverage.
They don't teach you cover one, they don't teach you
cover two, they don't teach you cover four, they don't
have personnel meanings. They give you an offensive game plan,
and they go all.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Right, but here you go figure it out.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Now here's what's fascinating to me about that. I think
it's a perspective that I never thought about. And I
would assume that most people never thought Tom Brad perhaps
part of what and I get it in Indianapolis. This
guy's in Indianapolis doing a show praising Tom Brady. No,

(15:07):
what I'm saying is this. There are two quarterbacks in
the last thirty years that were thought to be the
most out of the womb ready to play computer brained
quarterbacks in the National Football League of the last thirty years,

(15:27):
Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. Peyton Manning sat in bed
as a kid and listened to old recordings of old
miss games from when his dad played. And Peyton Manning
when he was five years old, was going to NFL
games and watching Archie Manning run for his life for
the New Orleans Saints and sitting down and watching and

(15:50):
analyzing what teams were doing to stifle his dad and
talking to his dad about it. And he was around
it twenty four to seven. Andrew Luck is a wizard
of a mind. He goes to Europe and he looks
and reads about old buildings. And his father, Oliver Luck,
was a quarterback that not only played in the National

(16:13):
Football League and played under Archie Manning, mind you, but
Oliver Luck, excuse me. Oliver Luck then went and ran
the World Football League, and Andrew Luck went with him
to Europe. And as a young age he is sitting
in boardrooms of football franchises and teams and board of
regions and all of that, and he's studying the game.

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And he is a Stanford level intellect as it is.
And I'm not saying Anthony Richardson's not a smart guy.
It doesn't matter whether it was Anthony Richardson, CJ. Stroud,
Bryce Young, will Levis, bo Nicks, whatever young quarterback Indianapolis
was going to last year hand the keys to I
think you can look and potentially think this. I think

(16:59):
it's now to me becoming more clear. The puzzle is
starting to come into place if you're to look back
on where there may have been error, not malice, not
ill intent, but error in the development of the quarterback
position for the Indianapolis Colton why they're in the position
that they're in now. When you hear Tom Brady talking

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about that. When Anthony Richardson was brought into the league,
he was brought into the league with an owner who
is a football guy through and through and rest his soul,
Jim Mersay who loves football, and Jim Mersay, who has
pride out the wazoo like a fatherly pride about Peyton

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Manning and Andrew Luck, and human interest dictates that we
fall into the trap of just assuming that because people
were around are one way that other people in the
same realm are going to be the same. And because
Jim Mersay, over the course of the last thirty has
essentially known two franchise quarterbacks, two franchise quarterbacks who themselves

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were already just conditionally taught how to understand and read football.
When Anthony Richardson came in, I think the Colts basically said,
this guy is so offensively athletically gifted that we are
going to teach him all the things to help him
read through progressions and work on his footwork and know

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when to tuck and run. And they taught all of
those things, but where they aired. And I'm not saying
this factually, I'm not saying for certain this is the case.
I'm not trying to indict the Colts, But in hearing
one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time talk about
what made his development different and unique and what was advantageous.

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It had nothing to do with teaching tom Brady how
to run the position offensively speaking, it had everything to
do with tom Brady learning how to understand the defense
is going up against and knowing the defense is better
than those that were playing it against him. Just like
Indiana knowing the offense of their opponent better than the

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offense that's trying to run it. Tom Brady was able
to line up, look across the defense and say, they're
trying to take away this short slant. They're trying to
take away this running back flare, and that opens up
this area of the field. And how many times did
you see the New England Patriots because we don't like
the Patriots, we don't like Tom Brady. How many times

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did you see Tom Brady just when you thought a
play was dead and then all of a sudden he
finds Julian Edelman for what turns out to be a
twenty eight yard gain and should have been a two
yard loss, or he hits Danny woodhead or hands off
to Lawrence Maroney or whatever it may be, and you
get the or gronk for that matter. But because he
understood what was trying to be taken away, he then

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was able to take advantage of what was not And
I think what we are seeing with the cold is
you now have a situation where Daniel Jones is your starter,
because when Anthony Richardson came in, they had a defensive
coordinator who was simply trying to figure out his own defense.

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And I don't know this, I'm just going off assumption
in Tea leaves, but it would be my observation that
there is the possibility that defensively last year the Colts
were so in disarray of trying to push whatever buttons
they could to get their defense jump started and going
that there's no way they had time to then split

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that information and send it over to the young quarterback
and say look at this, Look look at this, look
look at that. Look. So what do you end up with?
You end up with a quarterback that has all of
the offensive gifts that you could ever possibly ask for,
but is limited because he doesn't understand and read a defense.
And that doesn't make him a bad guy, and it

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doesn't make him a dumb guy, and it doesn't even
make him necessarily a non capable guy. It makes him
the typical quarterback in the NFL because it's a complex
as hell league, totally different than college football. When you
get into the National Football League, the windows are shorter,
the speed is faster, and the looks are completely different.

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And I think what we are seeing now is that
you have a young quarterback in Anthony Richardson where the
Colts aired in the way that they tried to develop
him because they focused too much on teaching him one
side of the ball, and then that was stifled even
if he had mastered that in the fact that he
didn't recognize the other side of the ball. And then
you get a blitz that comes in a preseason and

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he gets hit and his finger goes sideways, and then
before you know it, now you're behind the eight ball
once again. And I never thought of that. I never
thought about the fact that perhaps the best way to
groom a quarterback you look at franchise quarterbacks in this town.
There basically been three of them since the Indianapolis Colts

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came from Baltimore, they have had three, if you want
to count Richardson, four franchise quarterbacks Jeff George Peyton, Manning,
Ander Luck. Those are the four that you had that
were drafted within the top five, and it was like
the keys to the kingdom are being handed to them.
And in Jeff George's case, you had a different offensive
coordinator for every year that he started out, like his first,
every year he was in Indy. There was no stability,

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There was no and they were constantly trying to teach
him an offense. And as a result, I don't know
that they were ever sitting him down and saying, look
at the defense. Now. One thing, Eddie, I will say,
and I never thought i'd say this. I never thought
i'd say this. And you tell me, Eddie Garrison, feel
free to disagree. The first year he was not good

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at all. But I've watched now, I mean, one game
and then a couple of excerpts like that, and I
think Tom Brady is an analyst, is really really good
because he finally learned how to just speak to the
Too many people speak into the language that only they know,
and Brady was doing that a year ago. He was

(23:06):
looking at games and trying to analyze them and get jumpy,
and he was speaking in languages and I'm like, I
have no idea what this guy's talking about, because I'm
not an NFL quarterback. Now, that he's been able to
step back a little bit and speak things into a
more simplistic term. I think he's really good as an analyst.
And I know people here don't want to hear that,
right because we don't like Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
I still need to see it more, Jake, I was
not overly impressed with Brady last year. I didn't think
he was overly insightful. I thought he was just too casual.
That's what I mean last year. That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Last year he was too casual because he thought that
just simply saying yeah, I mean right there, you see Cousins,
he's going up against a double safety blitz with a
corner over the top. He was too casual about it,
not realizing that the vast majority didn't understand what he
was saying. So then I think he worked really hard

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in being more explanatory of the basis of what's happening
and speaking it more to the to the layman term language.
But I think that's what we're seeing now Daniel Jones
in terms of this particular team. We're going to see
on Sunday, whether he's able to carry over what we

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saw from him. I thought he was really good in
week one, and I thought part of that was Shane Steichen.
So the other side of that is offensively still you
have to cater to what your offense can do or
what your quarterback can do, and we'll see whether or
not they're able to maintain that, so to speak. All right,
when we come back, it is as I'd mentioned, it
still feels weird to say it's a college game night,

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but it is. And then the big one on Sunday
between the Colts and the Broncos. But what is it
about Denver that might present challenge for Indianapolis. We'll get
into that. We'll do it on the other side here
acquiring company. You're listening to it on a Friday edition
on the fan woes. So here's what we know in
terms of practice for today, Eddie Garrison, do you happen

(25:00):
to have pleased the breaking news sounder Shaverius Ward, Which
this was not a surprise at all because he's been
in the concussion protocol. He did not practice today, correct? Correct?
Now the other one, Eddie, that's a little bit of
a surprise. It pretty much means that he's not playing Sunday. Correct,

(25:21):
And this other one, was it limited or out for today,
So he.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Was limited on Wednesday, out yesterday, out again today. On
the sideline, we're talking about Leyatu Latu yep hamstring injury.
So he is out for today, right, and that would
assume one would assume that that may limit him coming
up on Sunday and of course trying to get to
bo Nicks the offense and the quarterback for the Denver Broncos. Now,

(25:47):
as for what Denver presents, I think defensively, you know,
we talked to Brandon about it yesterday, it's a defense
that that is kind of Denver's calling card. I do
think that offensively they have you know, could you say
the Bownick still to this point is a game manager.
You know, probably, I mean Courtland Sutton is there probably

(26:07):
their primary receiving threat. But defensively, I still think that.
And it's interesting because the Broncos for a long time
as a franchise, and especially with Sean Payton, you know,
you bring it in there because you are wanting eventually
to them for them to be a more potent offense.
But I think defensively what they bring to the table
is going to be the thing that the Colts have

(26:30):
to really worry about But the one thing that I
keep going back to is when you look through you
just don't know, Like in the NFL through one game,
you just don't know. And you know, I think the
Commanders are pretty good, but offensively did you watch that game.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Last night atdy oh painfully?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I mean they just there are games that you go
through where you're you're you're waiting for it to jumpstart,
and you're waiting and you're waiting and you're and it
just never got going right.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, that's simply I think because for Washington's because with
how much time Terry mcclurein missed during camp and your
top receiver not being out there being on the field
and you know, working on stuff with Jayden Daniels. And
they mentioned it last night in the broadcast Jake, that
Jayden Daniels and Terry mcluin have had to spend extra
time after practice just to try to get back in
sync with one another. In right now, the offense for

(27:24):
them is not in sync and it's in large part
because of that, and maybe there's some uh, you know,
more film in terms of stuff that they want to
do offensively with Cliff Kingsbury that teams are catching on
to and taking away.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
If you look at the Denver Broncos and defensively vance
Joseph their coordinator, h do you know what they like
to do more than any team in the league. Do
you know what his his statistical pattern would show you.
They love to dial up blitzer as I'd say, blitzing. Yeah,
they like getting We're gonna stack guys up front and

(27:59):
hear it come they are bringing the heat. Now, what's
interesting is what did the Colts just do offensively last
week against Miami on every possession scored correct? And what
did Miami consistently try to do. They tried to blitz.

(28:20):
They did try to blitz, yes, and Daniel Jones was
really good against that blitz. And so much of that
I know that that I I absolutely like beat this horse,
I realized. But so much of that is because of
their escape route, so to speak, the escape hatch of

(28:43):
getting to like Tyler Warren and Josh Downs. They didn't
overly involve in week one, but getting the base hits
instead of trying every time for the home run. You
have to get in rhythm. Said before, what basketball games
did you play in the driveway when you were a kid,

(29:04):
Eddie twenty one. Did you ever play a knockout? Did
you play Horse? Horse, around the World, pig, so any
of those games. If you're playing horse and your shot,
you just have a day where your SHOT's not going.
Eventually you kind of pack it up and you're like,
you know what, I've just got to get back to
the free throw line, and you hit a couple of

(29:24):
free throws. I remember my dad telling me when I
was a kid, the one thing when you're going against
the team that has a great shooter is do not
get them on the foul line. Because you get a
shooter on the foul line and they hit a couple
of free throws, and then all of a sudden they
feel their rhythm. And I know that Chris Ballard has
talked about making the layups. I get it, and I
know that you get tired of hearing making the layups.

(29:48):
But Tyler, Warren, Josh Downs, the short level or intermediate
level offensive plays become the layups. And what the Colts
and Chainstike and did really well for Daniel Jones was,
especially with Warren. Early, they got him to the free
throw line to let him get comfortable. And then once

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you get to the free throw line, and once you
get comfortable, then that allows you to get a rhythm
and when you do have to dial up long, you
just you have a little bit better feel about you.
But when the blitzes are coming and you don't have
a lot of time to make a lot of changes
or you've got to get rid of the ball quickly.

(30:32):
And they did do a good job with that. Now,
the offensive line played really well. I think the most
underrated aspect for the coltson in Week one might have
been their offensive line. I mean it played. I thought
it played well, and Jones had time and could could
pick and choose, but he did a very good job
of finding where his safety net was. And if Denver

(30:54):
is going to bring that heat and they're going to
blitz all the time, then Daniel Jones is gonna have
to kind of keep it in that range. But you
feel good about it, don't you feel better right now?
And this is again I get it. I mean it's
Daniel Jones as the quarterback of the Colts, and there's
really not a lot of reason for us or me.
I can't speak for Kevin, I can't speak for James,

(31:16):
I can't speak for Jeff I can't speak for John,
but for me, I still and I don't know how
long this window goes, probably one or two as long
as they're winning at least, I guess, you know, you
look at where they might have missed with Richardson. Eventually,
if Jones plays well and that continues and becomes a cycle,

(31:37):
then you just put that to bed because you're like, hey,
you know what, they might have missed on Richardson, but
they hit on Daniel Jones and so all's well, that
ends well. But since we're still wading through that a
little bit, then I think you still look into that.
But in the case of Richardson, I think they went
too much Adam Dunne home run ball and not just

(32:00):
kind of sticking with the basics because they just were
never able to get into that flow. Part of that's availability,
You know all of those things. But what's the points
spread in this game? Do we know Eddie Denver two
and a half? Denver's given two and a half, there
are two and a half point favorites. Is that a
disrespect That surprises me a little bit because the game

(32:22):
because I think of these two teams. Frankly, after Week one,
I think of Denver in Indianapolis, I think most people
would tell you that they think of the Colts and
the Broncos. And I know the Broncos had a better
year last year, but like you think of them as
two teams that are thought to be kind of in
that same area. So tie goes to the home team, right,
what three points spread? So basically they're saying, if this
were in Denver, it's a five and a half point game.

(32:44):
Maybe that's right if it's in Denver, but like I
would say three either way. I think most people would
see this game as there are some offensive questions still
for Denver. There are some some offensive questions still for
Indians now. The Colts defensively without Liatu Latu, you know
you're and you have a healthy scratch on your defensive line.

(33:07):
That was a top three pick. I'm not sure yet.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Jacob there was a week last year when he had
a hip injury, didn't practice all week and then suit
it up on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe he does go, and but
if he if he's even if he goes, if he's
physically limited, right, you have.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
To remember JT Tuamolallow, who was just a second round
pick for the Colts. Healthy scratch was a healthy scratch me.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
So you have a guy there, But but again, is
that asking a lot to just plug him in? I
don't know. I'm also intrigued by something else that's going
to happen tonight, and it doesn't evolve high school football,
although Kyle Nedripp does join us in forty five. I'll
let you know what that is and we'll discuss exactly
that and what to look for later. We'll do it next.

(33:52):
What say what I'm intrigued about. I'm intrigued about the
Indiana Indiana State game, partially because you know, just the
aspects of and J and V probably knows more about

(34:15):
Indiana State football than I would, because I would assume
that he's paid attention to their You know, they're two
and zero, right, and they've won both their games. You
know they beat Eastern what's happening?

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I was about to say they beat a Division two school.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
And when they beat Eastern Illinois, which is basically a
Division three school, right, I mean, isn't Eastern Illinois currently?
I could be wrong here. Didn't Eastern Illinois just go
through some stretch where they didn't win a game in
like two years. I could be totally wrong in that,
or am I thinking of Western Illinois? I might be
thinking of Western Eastern is where Western is the team

(34:48):
seventy seventy three last year. The Eastern is where obviously
Tony Romo went right and Jimmy Garoppolo also went to
Eastern Illinois, did he not?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (34:56):
So Eastern maybe a decent program. But in Indiana State
beat them. But you know, the Sycamores come in at
two and oh, to your point, Eddie, week one, they
beat a team that they should beat. And I don't
buy into these things, but I always think it's an
interesting barometer. If you go on to like ESPN, it

(35:18):
has it. You know what it always says like percentage odds,
Like I guess fans vote on who's gonna win whatever
it has ninety nine percent that Indiana's gonna win. Yep.
Now has there ever been a game where it says
one hundred? I don't think so, is there? Like if
who would it take for it to be a one hundred?
I mean you can't, right.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I think there's always gonna be some statistical anoma anomaly
in there where it's gonna be like, you know, point
zero zero zero zero zero.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Is there a one right.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Percent chance you know that DePaulo defeats Alabama. And I
think this is what to me is interesting about this game.
And I don't mean to discredit Indiana State by speaking
the Indiana side of the narrative, but Indiana, when you

(36:10):
look at.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
It, is expected to obviously have a big year. Now
are they a playoff bound team? I think their schedule
this year is a lot more arduous than it was
a year ago. And I think they have good players.
Certainly in the running game, they've been able to mix
it up where they've got three guys that all look
like they could be a primary back for them in

(36:33):
the passing game. You know, I think to this point,
especially in Game two, Mendoza kind of took the step.
You know, he talked about how he wanted to feel
more comfortable. He looked at in game two for certain
and Indiana has done and last year did a really
good job of getting a lead, building on the lead,

(36:56):
compounding the lead, and just putting games away. Are they're
up seven, Oh, they're up fourteen? Now, whoy they're up seventeen,
and just et cetera. And that you know, Kurt Signett's
blueprint there carries over. But for the Hoosiers this year,
if you look at their schedule, I think there is

(37:17):
a more pressing need for them not just to win
these three games, which they should win between Old Dominion,
Kinnesaw State, and Indiana State, but also to figure out
and work on their depth in the areas like these are.
And this is going to sound like a disrespect to
Indiana State, but these are three games that if you're
going to play three games that, for all intent and

(37:38):
purposes at the end of the year, are going to
do nothing in terms of your resume build. And yes,
we live in a world now I realize it's not
the BCS, it's not bowl games when there is a
college Football Playoff Selection Committee. It's like the NCAA tournament
and a much smaller scale. But you've got to start

(37:59):
looking at goodwin bad wins, test your schedule, et cetera.
And if Indiana is going to go into it under
the thing of we're gonna get we're gonna play games
that are gonna get us wins and go with three
between Old Dominion, Ennesaw State and Indiana State, presumably you're
going to go three and Oho then what you have
to do in those games is use those games to

(38:20):
solidify yourself, not in the area of the guys and
the players you know about, but figure out any question
marks you have about your team and your style and
work those kinks out before you get into because then
it gets real. You know, at Iowa, I don't know
that Iowa is. What do we say about Iowa? Kirk

(38:41):
Farren's teams are always a team that every three to
four years he gets a senior laden team that's a
ten win contender, and then you know they go seven
and four every other year. And this year, if I'm
not mistaken, they just lost to Iowa State. That was
a close game. Ioa State it's pretty good. So at
Iowa is a tricky game because it's on the road.

(39:01):
But you start out with Illinois at home that offensively
particularly looks really strong. Then at Iowa, and is that
a trap game? Because after Iowa you got to go
to Oregon and Oregon's probably goin to be undefeated and
a top four team at that time, and then you
get a little bit of a reprieve. I mean Michigan State, UCLA, Maryland.

(39:22):
You should win those three games, and at Penn State.
But I just think tonight. The problem with it, Eddie,
if this makes sense, is this feels to me like
a game tonight that you got a lot to gain. Well,
let me rephrase that. You know, if you win, what
do you gain? But you have a lot to lose
if you don't play.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Well, forty six and a half is the spread, Jake?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
What is it? Forty six and a half? Okay, be honest,
what forty six and a half? What are the odds?
Who would you take in that?

Speaker 6 (40:02):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I would take Indiana. You think Indiana? I mean that's
hard argue because here's why. Well, I didn't specify which one,
did I? Yes, I said I would take Indiana. Well,
one's Indiana, the other's Indiana State. Both Indiana understood. But
if you are on vacation and you attend Indiana State
and somebody says where do you go to school? And

(40:23):
you say Indiana? What school? You know what I mean? Yeah,
you know that's my point. But here's the thing. So
if you look at it and you say, okay, Kurt
Signetti's am though, this is why I would take Indiana
in that, because isn't Indiana's mo kind of once they

(40:45):
get a lead, they just keep going. I don't mean
that they run it up. I don't mean like in
a classless kind of way, but they just keep running
their same stuff. We're not you know what I mean.
And before you know it, you go from seven to fourteen,
and now you're up seventeen. You know, forty six and
a half.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
I you total points fifty three and a half Indiana
State total points six and a half. Okay, basically betting
Indiana State to not score a touchdowns. Okay that that
seems unfair right either way if you take the spread
or if you take the overander Obviously I'm.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Not some big gambler, but forty six and a half.
So so let me ask you this. Do you think
Indiana State.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Basically the book is telling you or asking, do you
think Indiana will win forty nine to nothing?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Indiana State can get themselves, can they not? Even if
you're going with Fluke, a Fluke touchdown and a Fluke
field goal, right.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
That first game of the year for Indiana, they give
up y, yes, seventy yard touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
So let's just say that Indiana State gets a in
Indiana State. I mean, look, I'm not trying to disrespect
them at all. If they get a touchdown, and then
later in the second half, they you know, Indiana fumbles
the ball on their own twenty and Indiana State gets it.
And let's say they lose two yards on every play,

(42:10):
and now they're facing a fourth and sixteen from whatever
it would be, the twenty eight yard line or whatever
it would be. Out my maths, I'm not gonna do
quick math. But either way, you kick a field goal,
then now you got ten points. So Indiana then needs
fifty seven points. Fifty seven, you gotta take Indiana State, right.

(42:35):
You don't seem convinced, Eddie.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Sorry, I just I think I'm just trying to make
sure this is right before I share it on the radio.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Hold on, are you doing math that always becomes dangerous
for all of us? No math is involved, this is
just simple research. Well, you have twenty one hours a
day for the simple research. Eddie is intently staring at

(43:02):
the screen. By the way, zach Ostram and Osterman going
to join us just about fifteen minutes from now, and
we'll break down whether or not Indiana can get to
fifty seven. All right, what's your research?

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Eduardo?

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Did Eric Dickerson have a sign named Eric Dickerson Jr.
I don't know the answer to that because I was
just looking at the box scores of these two Indiana
State games. The first win against mckendrey. Eric Dickerson Junior
is on the box score for Indiana State.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
That's why I was asking. So you're saying, wait a minute,
So you're saying, there is Indiana State has a player
named mckendrey. By the way, do you know what state
mckendrey is in. If it's in Texas, then you've got
pretty good odds. No, Illinois, No? Are you sure? Yes?
Where's mckendrey. It's in Illinois.

Speaker 7 (43:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah. Now what you do is you go to their
Did you go to their football website? I did? Did
you go to the roster? I did? Did you go
to the bios of I did? And for Eric Dickerson Junior,
does it say anything in the bio about his father
being a Hall of Famer who was one of like
four backs to run for two thousand yards and was

(44:10):
a sideline reporter for Monday Night Football.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
Bio twenty twenty three played eleven games, twenty twenty four
played eleven games.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
That's it. Under personal You know what, it usually says,
like son of Don and Cindy Dickerson, because he's clearly
the son of Eric Dickerson if his name is Eric
Dickerson Junior. But one would assume that if his father
is that Eric Dickerson, like I would have it plastered
right on the front of my website, right, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (44:38):
This is Eric Dickerson Junior is from louisll, Kentucky, So
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, that rules that out right there, right, Zach Ostraman
going to join us about fifteen wo did you just
tell me Eddie that you're going to a concert at
some point? Yes?

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Shockingly enough?

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Why is that shocking? Are you not a concert guy?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Not?

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Really? Why not? Although admittedly it's only been in the
last five or ten years where I've really started to
enjoy concerts. But for what reason are you not per
se a concert guy? Well?

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Most of the l rtist I listen to no longer
go on tour, really, Yeah, like eighties and nineties classic Croc.
You don't see many of them on tour anymore. I
don't see bon Jovi on tour. How about Van Halen,
They don't go on to her anymore, and even if
they did, it's not the same because rp Eddy.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
It's kind point. I mean, how about David Lee Roth,
You're right, without Van I mean without Eddie Van Halen
is not saying, but David Lee Roth, you wouldn't want
to go see him. He's doing cruise tours. I believe, right, Sam, Hey, guy, Guy, Jake, Okay, okay,
fair enough. I'd like to thank those who have texted
the show. By the way, gentlemen, enjoy your show. A
bit of a vocabulary nerd so random observation. Jake uses

(45:54):
the word prognostication but pronounces it prognostication prognostication three and
one a or two of each, which gives and can
we reinstate the third o PS really appreciated the drop
pick murphy Sticks dropkick Murphy's tickets that you comped me
all the best from Rich Rich. You're probably right. There
are a couple of words that I have always had

(46:16):
a weird pronunciation issue with. I don't know why, because
I'm I was an English major. What's that boise? No,
it's boise, that's a that's b o I s e
it's bois. You say boise? It's not. It's not a Z.
It's an S, right, boise state fair that that kind
of the way that the one s slides into the next.

(46:38):
Your mouth just kind of creates it that way. But
I do probably say that I think about it prognostication
and it's prognostication. That that's fair because it's a prognosis.
It's not a prognasis, right, you would say prognosis is this?
So that is this show? What's that?

Speaker 4 (46:54):
This show is a prognasis?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Fair?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (46:58):
When I was forever, I used to say naivete. Yeah,
and it's naivete, which is weird because isn't it spelled
just t y? But I always pronounce it naivety like Hilton,
and it's naivete.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
The other one, I'm trying to think, Oh, this one
has always befuddled me, befoodled. That would also be good
if I did that one wrong. Yeah, we've done this
one before. A swin is a brand of what bicycle
Harley Davidson is a brand of what motorcycle? So why
is it motorcycle but bicycle same suffix because there's a

(47:37):
motor on the motorcycle and there's no motor on a bicycle, no,
h okay, But a bicycle is simply implying that there
are two of what two cycles? What's that? There would

(47:57):
be two tires? So by two? Yeah, what cycles? Okay?
So why is that not a bicycle? It's not I
you just said there's two cycles. By becomes the replacement
for the word too, so it should be bicycles, right,
So why do we say bicycle but motorcycle? It's the
same suffix. The suffix is the exact same cycle. Is

(48:19):
still the word, Zach Ostman, go to join us a
couple of minutes from now. I also mentioned those and
you can always text the program at two three nine
ten seventy. That's three one seven two three nine one
zero seven zero. I'd like to thank Gary because Gary
is a loyal listener and never lets me, never denies

(48:39):
the opportunity to let me know he's listening, usually to
disagree with me, but nonetheless Gary is listening, and I
do appreciate it, Gary, and we do our best. I
appreciate and oftentimes Gary's critiques are fair and valid, so
it is appreciated, and I appreciate the interaction. Edy you
had mentioned. The Fever will be playing on Sunday, and

(49:02):
I'm gonna say befuddled again in an arrangement from a
scheduling standpoint that does in fact befuddle the pre and
post game host of the Indiana Fever broadcast to an extent.
Correct a little bit, just a little bit. Yeah. So
the Fever playing at three o'clock against the Atlanta Dream,
and that is a game that is going right up
against obviously the Colts and the Broncos eventually because that

(49:24):
is a you know, four o'clock hour kick for the
Colts and Broncos. And so the Fever that game, that
means what in terms of the radio broadcast.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
All coverage for Colts will be right here on the
fan in ninety seven to one HANDKFM, starting at let's see,
it's not ten o'clock because it's not a one o'clock kick,
so what would that be five hours.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Before or three hours before kick?

Speaker 4 (49:45):
So we're looking at one o'clock coverage on the fan
one thirty and then Matt Taylor and Crewe will take
over at one at a three thirty. Man, I cannot
talk today.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Okay, So but what we know about the Fever playoffs
Fever IVY at two forty five. The Fever will have
their home game in the playoffs in round number one.
This is a best of three with the Atlanta Dream,
who they over the course of the regular season played
four times they split, each team won twice. This layout,

(50:15):
then Eddie in terms of home and away matchups, lays
out how for the Fever in the postseason.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
So obviously Sunday is in Georgia, Tuesday is in Indianapolis
at gamebridgefield House at seven thirty. Game three, if necessary,
will be Thursday, time to be determined.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
So there is one guaranteed home playoff game for the
Fever and then obviously if they win the series, they
would move on from there. That is correct. They changed this,
I believe partially from wasn't it a year ago when
the Fever got in had to play Connecticut and a
best of three and the first two were on the road,
and you're like, yeah, wait a minute, yeah, it just
doesn't make sense, Like why would you play a best

(50:54):
of three and the first two games are on the
road and then if you're the underdog, you get the
critical game three at home. By the way, naivete is
spelled n ai ve ete, not with a y on
the end. Thank you Michael for pointing that out. And
again the interesting aspect of that when it comes to

(51:16):
the spelling aspect of it, there was a Naevita on
my behalf, but I said naivet forever, absolutely forever, Jake.
I just wanted to drop in and say hi. That
would be the always enthusiastic and the very best airport.

(51:38):
Jimmy as he was known on a former part of
this program, and I always called him Caffeinated Jimmy because Jimmy,
who lives in Florida, still listens to the show, and
that dude is a constant. You meet dudes like this
where you just meet people and you're like, you know what,
that guy's just with the program. I've always said two
kinds of people in this world, those with the program
and those that aren't. And if you're with the program,

(51:59):
you know what I mean, you meet people and you're
just like, hey, guys with the program or gal just
certain people you're like, it is cool they're with the program.
And Jimmy's one of those guys. Like I met the
dude and five minutes later, I'm like, I felt like
I'd gone to high school with them, felt like I'd
grown up with them, felt like I'd gone to concerts
with them, and he was just and he used to
call the radio show and was like always energetic, and

(52:20):
I'm like, you are caffeinated Jimmy, and caffeinated Jimmy listening
to us, thank you for texting us. As they are
driving through the fabulous, fabulous in the state of Florida
and enjoying the sun down there. We were talking about
Indiana and Indiana State and the point spread of this
particular game. The Hoosiers a forty six and a half
point favorite, and I think still we have a good

(52:42):
idea about Indiana because of what they were a year
ago and because of Kurt Signetti. But at the same time,
you know, do we really know this year's installment. You've
got a lot of new faces, a lot of new positions.
I thought that in particular, as I talked about Mendoza
wanted to be more by his own words in rhythm

(53:05):
in game two than in game one. And Indiana State
comes in having defeated I mentioned Eastern Illinois. I mean
Sean Payton, who's going to be here on Sunday. Maybe
he'll go to the game, right not to see Indiana State,
but to see the team that just beat his old team,
because he's an eastern Illinois guy. But joining us now
on the guest line, he is, of course with the

(53:26):
Indianapolis Star. He is our friend, Zach. Thank you who
joins us?

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Zach?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Are you on your way down to Bloomington or are
you already there?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I'm always here. I never leave.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
You know what, I don't know why I was thinking
you lived on the south side of Indianapolis. I didn't
realize that you live.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Side of Bloomington.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Okay, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Do you think far south side?

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Do you live on the lake by the way, that's
the way south side? Right?

Speaker 3 (53:52):
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I don't go quite that far south. But we are
firmly in that direction.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
All right, fair enough, let's begin with this this game.
And I know it sounds crazy because of the year
that Indiana had last year and the fact that they
seemingly still have their foot on the accelerator although key
faces in new key areas or new faces in key areas.
So let's begin with this. Do we know more about

(54:17):
Indiana or Indiana State in this game?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I mean, I think that, at least for our purposes,
I think we probably know more about Indiana, but I
think we always recognize that. I mean, like I've been
calling this three game starts a preseason basically all year,
and that this was it was always going to feel
a little bit like that, where you felt like you
could maybe clean certain things, you wanted to see certain

(54:43):
relationships forming. You wanted to know is the improvement here real?
And they figure out the defensive line notation, what do
they look like in the you know, the secondary has
been remade, all this kind of stuff, But we all
knew kind of like an NFL preseason, you're not going
to come out of it just sort of being able
to say, my mind has been completely made up about
what this team is and what it's capable of. That's

(55:04):
only going to happen in the games that really matter.
I understand college is a little different. These games matter.
If Indiana were to lose tonight, you know, that would
have all kinds of ramifications over the Hoosiers, you know,
playoff candidacy and whatever. It's It's not like losing an
NFL preseason game in terms of being risk free, but
I think it is in terms of just sort of
judging the wider trajectory of the season.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Frankly, do you with Indiana Zach and I was talking
about this earlier when you have these three games, and
I mean, this is no disrespect to the opponents, but
Kurt Signetti has been so outspoken about, you know, just
the way that they have managed the scheduling. Is there

(55:48):
an extent to these games where it actually is about
more your depth than it is rhythm of your starters
and learning your depth and getting repetition of your depth
and making sure that you are kind of getting all
bases covered. Is there any aspect of that in these
three games.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I think it's personally split of both. I mean, Signetty
said himself the reason that he left is starters in
longer than probably we expected him to against Kennesoe State
was because he said, a lot of these guys haven't
Maybe they've played a lot of football, but they haven't
played a lot of football together. We need these snaps,
we need this rhythm. On the other hand, I think
a game like tonight, and I've written this this week,

(56:30):
I think the flip side to that is this is
your last meaningful chance, assuming you can get to it,
and you want to be respectful of Indiana State. But
assuming Indiana can get to a place where it's comfortably
ahead in this game by maybe mid third quarter, this
is your last meaningful chance to get a lot of
younger players who you might need down the line. Quality
snaps in game. Okay, maybe maybe the scores decided, you know,

(56:53):
maybe the games decided the scores lotside of whatever. But
I mean, the example I use seemingly every year is
whether it's because of end injury or coach's choice, Indiana
hasn't started the same quarterback through all twelve games of
a regular season since twenty eighteen. Even last season, I think,
you know, fans kind of forget Curtis Rourke. He only
missed the one game, but that was still a meaningful game.

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That was Washington, It was a conference game, Game day
was in town. It was an important step. It wound up,
frankly being one of Indiana's better wins all things being equal,
last season. And if you don't get Alberta, then Doza
maybe some meaningful snaps tonight. If you're able to, well,
then he's going to come in all that much less

(57:35):
experienced and less confident, if you know, having forbid at
some point his brother gets injured, goes down, you need
to call on Alberto. You also look sometimes at young players.
You know, Elijah Hardy, who's just one of Indiana starting
linebacker's a great example. He got He made a bunch
of plays in what we would probably generously describe as
the garbage time against Western Illinois last season, against Purdue

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last season, but those were things that he built on.
You know, he was able to get out come out
of the season and say, hey, maybe those games are
long decided, but I still have to take six. I
still had the strip sack. I still did this and
this and this, and that gives me the confidence and
the momentum to go into an offseason where I wind
up coming out the other side with the starting jobs.
That process for young players can start here to your

(58:18):
point about just sort of seeing, like what does your
depth look like? Sometimes guys won't really be able to
show you until they get on the field for a
drive or multiple drives or you know, twenty twenty five
thirty snaps. I feel like maybe that balance shifts tennisas
states the game where you're leaving starters in a little longer.
You want them to have that rhythm. You want them

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to have that time on task. If Indiana can get
to a place where this game is comfortably in hand,
I think maybe that shifts a little bit for Kurt
Signetti tonight.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Speaking of balance, Zach, and maybe the time is now
for Indiana, and maybe Kurt Signetti was the perfect guy
at the perfect time. And let me explain what I'm
talking about. And maybe this is getting too into the weeds,
too far in a conversation for another time, but I
have kind of on the periphery monitored this and I
want you to tell me how even accurate it is

(59:10):
college football now now that we have nil and everything else.
I mean, this is essentially a semi pro league and
it really is up to schools and you know a
lot of different aspects as to how much they want
to spend, how much they want to buy a roster,
et cetera. You have revenue sharing within the Big Ten,
which was the forefront leader because they came up with

(59:30):
their own television network. It catapulted it into the elite league.
It allowed it to get the coastal teams in Washington
and Oregon and USC and UCLA. And now you have
Ohio State, who is the empire of the Big Ten
coming out and saying this is all well and good,
but if we are going to rake in all this

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money with television deals, then we need to make sure
that those that are bringing in the most money are
or that are you know, are also the ones that
are getting the biggest slice of the pie. And that
is going to change and shift the way that the
Big Ten is balanced, because if you now all of
a sudden, have to pay Ohio State based on performance

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more than you're paying Northwestern, et cetera, that expedites the
necessity to get into the upper echelon of the Big Ten,
and Indiana needs to make sure they're at the front
of that table. Is that like a way over nuanced
way of looking at it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
No, I don't think it is. And listen, I mean
I wrote something about this today. I think everyone's written
something about I think I've written a culturer about it.
In the end, what Ted Carter said to my colleague
Steve Burke with sever he goes a today this week.
On the one hand, I think it should kind of
be copyat it by saying, you know, he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
And by the way, Ted Carter, the president of Ohio State.
For those that don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yes, yes, he said, we are a member of the
Big Ten and that's where we plan to stay. He said,
it doesn't matter what I think he said. You know
he was he was clearly kind of tepid in all this.
I mean, I would say even somewhat reluctant. The quote
that I think got seized on was one and I
don't have the story right in front of me where
he essentially said, that's a conversation that will probably be

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ongoing around the next media rights steal, which will be
renegotiated ahead of twenty thirty to current media rights steal
expired at the end of the twenty nine to thirty
academic year. I thought the most interesting thing he said
in the other direction, because if you want to counter
all of that sort of outside defensive Ted Carter, he
was the president of Nebraska for four years. He's been

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the president of Ohio State for a year and a half.
He's not a novice to this. He knows what it's
going to say to people when he says what he does.
And I thought the bit that was most interesting was
when he talked very pointedly about Ohio State's television performance
and Ohio States brand and that you know, the schools

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that bring in that kind of TV audience should be
rewarded for it in some way, because that is essentially
what comprises the bulk of the AC. The revenue sharing
model the AEC went to to keep Clemson and Florida
State suite when they were exploring trying to get out
of the conference. The a SEC. I think it's sixty

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percent of your revenue. Your revenue share annually is determined
on a five year rolling average of basic essentially your
television performance, how many people are watching the games you're
playing on TV, and so the more you're on TV,
the more popular you are, the more money you're getting.
And I think we can all understand why the ACC

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did that. It could not afford to lose those schools.
It had to give them financial incentive. For so long,
the Big Ten has not had to do that. If anything,
the Big Ten's parody has has sort of underscored this
sense of harmony that was seen as one of the
Big Tens superpowers that you know, Big ten schools always
moved in lockstep because there was a financial parody that Okay,
Ohio State's going to make more on a football game

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day than Northwestern, but the conference in terms of what
money is earned by a collective effort, the conference is
going to treat everyone equally. And right now, the only
schools that aren't on equal shares or organ in Washington
because they're still being phased in the idea that that
could be re explored is I mean it is. It

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is meaningful for a couple of reasons, and I don't
want to get to macro. One is the obvious, which
is your point if we do get to twenty thirty
and the next TV deal winds up paying schools more
money if they're on TV more often, if their games
are being watched more often than Yes, you need to
be You need to be better at football that you know,

(01:03:43):
It's just the plain and simple truth of it. You
need to have a number next year with you know,
people say polls don't matter, but we all know if
you've got a number it next to your name, you're
a lot more likely to grab you know, the casual
viewer on a Saturday afternoon for an hour. There's also
kind of a macro piece of this, and you know,
this is where really do get into a philosophical discussion

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that I think is dangerously sort of bottomless at the
moment because there is no sort of there's no theoretical
bottom to it is the questions over a super leak.
And because when you have Clemson in Florida State, they
can look at the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
A Zach, Yeah, you know, my apology. I didn't mean
to cut you off there, Zach Ostrman our guest. From there,
you have a star. I have always felt and I've
been saying it for ten years, and you probably heard
me say it, you know, with you on the radio,
Like I call it the Hat World League. And the
reason I say that, you go into a hat World

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or Lids or whatever the name of the hat store
of your choice is in a in Butte, Montana, and
you go in there. And whether you're in Butte, Montana, Jonesboro, Arkansas,
or Portland, Maine, you go into a hat store like that.
And from a college standpoint, they're selling Notre Dame, Ohio State, Clemson,
Florida State, North Carolina, Texas, UCLA. You know, there's the

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same twenty schools that are just big time brands. And
I am convinced that eventually we're going to get to
the point where those twenty brands are going to come
together and say, what are we doing here? Do we
really want to be like bankrolling Northwestern and wake Forest,
just do our own deal and sig it on it now.

(01:05:23):
I thought that ten years ago. I don't know that
I go there now, just because the money is being
so distributed throughout because of nil and boosters and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
I've talked to it. So there's I talked to some
people that are smarter than me in the TV space,
and for years they've all kind of been super League.
The future is super League? What does that look like?
Is at twenty teams? Is the twenty four? Is thirty two?
Is at forty? Is it just a big thing in
the SEC league? And everybody to, you know, to pick
the bones off off what's left? But they've all said
super League. I will say that one or two that

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I've talked to more recently have started to question whether
the money will be there, whether there is because ultimately,
for ten or fifteen years, cable TV was an ever
expanding revenue stream that is beginning to contract. And instead
of making pie like if we're going to torture this metaphor,
instead of being able to make the pie larger and larger,

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every time a conference came back to a newest media
rite steal, the pie is not getting bigger. Now. The
question is basically, how can we carve off larger pieces
for the brands that matter the most, the big game
in the SEC, at the expense of the brands that
matter a little bit less, and then the ACC will

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get more than the MAC, and the Big twelve will
get more than the Sunbelt and so forth. This is
I mean, this is a deep over simplification, but there
is a larger sense to which this is what killed
in Fact twelve. There is I think a growing curiosity
over whether there's actually enough money out there to convince

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Ohio State and Michigan to say, you know what, we
have a lot more in common with Alabama and I
don't know USC than we do with Northwestern and IU
and Illinois. So we're just gonna go play football with them. Now,
I think what maybe the Super League idea is starting
to transform into is something much more big ken SEC
plus possibly Notre Dame. But again, this is all very

(01:07:22):
sort of theoretical, and what makes Ted Carter's comments this
week I think particularly relevant is Clinton and Florida State
have a lever they can pull. That might kill the ACC,
but it doesn't kill college sports. If Clinton and FSU
say hey, we're out, well they'll just go to the SEC,
or they'll go to the Big Ten, or they'll get

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a sweetheart deal from the Big twelve because the Big
twelve is desperate to have a couple of big time
football brands. Whatever. Ohio State doesn't have a leader to pull,
Ohio State doesn't have another league to go to, it's
not going to go in depend that. The only red
line Ohio State has to cross is to say, if
we don't get what we want, we are going to
spearhead the formation of a super league. Now you know,
I am a fan of a longtime fan of European soccer.

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European soccer powers have been threatening a super league for
thirty years, and they've come closet a couple of times,
the closest they ever came. The backlash to the announcement
was so swift and universal and forceful that the super
league didn't last seventy two hours before almost everyone back down.
That doesn't mean that they'll never try it again. I'm

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just saying, if there are and again, this is a
conversation we don't have to get into today because it
would be an hour's long deal. There are so many
more parallels between European football. It's structure, it's culture, it's history,
it's dynamics and American college football than any other American sport.
And that's why I do point to this whole like, hey,

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we all fear a super league. We've been feared a
super league for thirty years in European football, and it
still hasn't happened. Now it has been you stick to
walk into negotiations with when we want to expand certain
things or change revenue distributions. And that's I think probably
more of what Ted Carter was sort of floating a

(01:09:11):
you know, a little bit of a trial balloon for
this week, is like, hey, what what happens if at
very least I say this just to make sure that
when we all go back to the table in twenty thirty,
Ohio State gets one of the flushiest seats. I think
that's may even more kind of what we're talking about.
But listen to your point, if we do go to

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that place, what is almost certainly going to determine the
bulk of a school's annual media rights revenues. The bulk
of the school's annual cut from the television deal is
going to be how often they're on TV and how
well they perform when they're on TV. And that means
being better. Mean it's being better at basketball too. We
shouldn't forget that that's still a billion dollar business, but

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it means first and foremost, being consistently better.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
At Listen, the Big you know, Ucla coming in was
entirely because the Big Ten won in USC for football
and UCLA USC wanted basically a travel partner, for lack
of a better phraser, a regional partner in USC piggybacked
their way in the fact that UCLA is or excuse me,
UCLA piggyback their way in off of USC. The fact

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that UCLA is a rich basketball program was a benefit,
but I don't think was a driving force in UCLA
getting into the Big Ten. This is all all of
this power stuff is based upon football and football revenue,
but conversation probably more expansively for another time. Tonight it
is Indiana, Indiana State. Zach Ostromer will have all of
your coverage with the Indianapolis Star and joining us on

(01:10:41):
very short notice today is appreciated. Zach enjoy it man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Absolutely thanks for having me as.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Always from the Indianapolis Star. Our buddy, Zach joining us
on the show. All right, speaking of that publication, by
the way, it is time to take a look at
the action that is taking place tonight on grid irons
around the state that does not involve college So Kyle
Neddenrip joins us next. You know, when you think about
that conversation of college football and superpowers and power conferences

(01:11:10):
and all that in Ohio State, you know, every league,
every conference has their blue blood programs, and then everyone
has the program that is just like a no name
brand that seems lost and clueless. And it's like, I
can understand why the Ohio States would say, we're not
going to give that kind of money to the lost

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and clueless club within our particular league if we're the
ones that are bringing it all in. But we shift
from talking college football now to the high school standpoint.

Speaker 8 (01:11:42):
Speaking of lost and clueless, we bring on Kyle Edrip
from the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
That's right, Kyle Needrip joining us now on the always
busy and very active on this Friday guest line. Kyle,
there are some big ones tonight, Man how are you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
You do on purpose?

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Huh?

Speaker 8 (01:11:57):
There, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
We have that we have that bad. Hey listen, you
said it not me, right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (01:12:04):
It's my voice, so I'm gonna blame that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
Uh Yeah, big games, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:12:09):
A it's a really kind of a rivalry week so
to speak. With the Mudsock game tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
And uh by the way, right, uh.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
Brownsburg and Avon and the uh Tenners County game shoots
Harden Cathedral. Uh, you know, you kind of go down
the list, there's quite a few of those type of
games tonight, you know. So it'll be it'll be fun night,
a lot of good a lot of good games, a
little bit hotter than it's been the first few weeks,
so kind of a throwback to uh to August it
feels like tonight, So it'll be it'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
You know, there are always in college football, there's always
a weekend that they call separation Saturday, right where it's
you know that you really find out who's for real
and who's not. In high school football, are there any
games tonight that you look at Kyle and you say,
and there's one that I have in mind, but I'm
not going to lead the witness us here a game

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that you look at it and say, these are two
teams or programs that we always assume are good, but
perhaps tonight is where we really find out the separation
between the two. Any games jump out.

Speaker 8 (01:13:13):
One I'm curious about is Carmel and Louisville Trinity because
Carmel has been so good these first few weeks, and
then you know, we always know Louisville Trinity's, you know,
one of the best teams in the Midwest, and their
rank number one in six in Kentucky. So going on
the road to play that game, I think will give
us an even better you know, even though they're out
of state. Normally I go the opposite way. I think

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that out of state games are sort of like, you know,
we don't know who these teams are, but so it's
hard to have a measuring stick. Louisville Trinity is sort
of the opposite. We pretty much know every year and
they play a lot of in state teams anyway, So
I think that'll be a great test, especially to go
away and try to win that game. And I noticed
all the Kentucky people were picking Trinity and there in
their predictions, so you know, it would be maybe a

(01:13:57):
slight upset if Carmela could do it, but other great
test for them. I think that'll be, you know, one
of the more interesting games. You know, there's probably some
others or maybe another one you're thinking of as well,
but I think there's there's a few that way, but
that's probably the one I was. You know, Yeah, there's
there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
I HC.

Speaker 8 (01:14:13):
Fishers will tell us a lot too, but but that
one kind of stuck out to me a little bit, like, Oh,
how good is Carmell. I think we'll we'll find out tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Then the one that to me I'm curious about because
there are two programs that historically you always think are
great programs. And you could look at the record of
Ben Davis and say it's a down year for Ben Davis,
but then you look at who they played, and for me,
it's like, I still want to see one more test
and they're going to get it tonight with center Grove. Now,
is there a clear disparity between these two teams.

Speaker 8 (01:14:42):
Yeah, although center Grove is battling some injuries situated, they
lost to Drake mccluy, who deserved their standout receiver, I know,
you know, running back. They've got an injury as well,
so there's a little bit of you know, I do
think Center Grove is the better, more experienced team this year,
and their their record so far and what they've done
so far kind of bears that out. Ben Davis is

(01:15:02):
a little bit. They're definitely young. I mean they're starting
at freshman quarterback at six A, which is which is
hard to do. Uh So I yeah, I And also
the you know, sort of the the news this week
with the mick uh bringing back Center Grove and Carmels
sort of the even though this doesn't count as a
conference game, it's it's a reminder that these teams will
be conference teams again. Center Grove and Ben Davis and

(01:15:24):
obviously two of the two of the premier football programs traditionally,
uh in the state. They've played some. I've covered a
lot of the games between these teams in the in
the past that they have been very memorable. Uh So
cool that they're back in the same conference again. But
I think Center Grove's probably the the you know right now,
is the better team. But yeah, Ben Davis will uh

(01:15:45):
They're not going to go anywhere you know, and I
guarantee by the end of the season, they're going to
be a team don't want to don't want to play.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
Was that a Metropolitan interstill Lastic Conference decision or was
that a Carmel and Center Grove decision to go back?

Speaker 8 (01:15:59):
I mean it was mutual. I mean, everybody has to
agree on that, and you know, I think between you know, gosh,
I had a lot of conversations with people, you know,
even off the on end, off the record, I guess
about you know, kind of three and a half years ago,
what has happened in the time since then. And you know,
I think it's for the betterment of both Carmel A

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and Center group. In the Mick, you know, when you
only have six teams, you know, just you you you
down a cup. You know, you want to have a conference.
You want to have probably eight teams is ideal, and
you got two teams sitting out there as independents that
are having a hard time scheduling. And G've been down
to the middle school. You know, having just to travel
and do those things in middle school is not ideal. So,

(01:16:41):
you know, I think it was mutual, you know, and
the Mick wouldn't have voted in that in favor of
it if they didn't want to have those schools back.
So I think it's for everybody's benefit. And you know
it definitely had been hearing some things, uh, throughout the
summer that probably led to led you to think this
could happen eventually. And I'm you know, I think for
the betterment of everybody. I think it's going to be good,

(01:17:04):
you know, to have them back in the mix. So
but yeah, I think it's I think it's both.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
One of the games. You know, I mentioned each week,
Crystal House is the team that I'm going to spotlight
each and every week because it's you know, a smaller
group of kids that are working hard. They've got Christmas addicts. Tonight,
that's a seven o'clock kick. I wanted to ask this, Kyle,
because I think it's you know, I've always enjoyed these schools,
and that is among the IPS schools, the one that

(01:17:32):
so far through you know, the first I guess, gosh,
hard to believe already quarter of the season, but the
team that jumps out at you where you say, you
know what from an IPS school, that that might be
the best one so far this year.

Speaker 8 (01:17:44):
Yeah, I think Addicts is probably that team, and they're
you know, kind of some you know, they're going to
have a new stadium. They're going to be playing in
pretty soon. Our refurbished stadium. That looks pretty cool that
you know that it's a long time coming for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Yeah, they had a lot of problems with the literally
the foundation of the stands, right, weren't they having like yeah,
I mean it needed In other words, this wasn't like
just some cosmetic less I mean, this was a necessary
upgrade for them.

Speaker 8 (01:18:11):
You literally couldn't watch games there anymore, you know, you couldn't,
you know, it was that bad. I went over I
did a story on one of their uh, one of
their girl shot putters discus throwers. He's one of the
best in the state. And you know, I was just
over there, you know, kind of looking around at it,
and it was just, you know, so much needed to
be done. I'm glad, you know, they it's finally happening,
and it's going to be a good Uh it's gonna

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look great, you know when it's all completed. But yeah,
I was looking at their schedule. You know, they lost
to Luther in Week one, a very competitive game that
that Lutheran ended up pulling away and winning. But you know,
then they beat Tech and Tinley the last two weeks
and then going down. I was looking next week, you know,
Predue Poly, Uh, they both could be undefeated next week
playing each other. That that'd be two fourign OH teams.

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And then you look at the rest of the schedule
and I'm not sure there's another game. You know, I
think they could maybe nowt and be you know, potentially
eight and one going into the sectional, which is you know,
they're in four A, which is tough. You know, you're
the ACCT schools. They don't have the overall numbers of
players a lot of these four A teams do usually,
but so you're battling an upfield battle against schools like

(01:19:14):
Ron Collie and Shatard in that same sectional. But if
you can go eight and one, you know, that kind
of shows.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:19:20):
Addicts has definitely get their program going in the right direction.
They've been very competitive these last probably three or four years,
you know, so it's it's been a it's been a
program on the upswing. But yeah, you're looking at what
they've done so far, I think they're probably the team
that stands out the most.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
So tonight, Kyle will be at the Mudsot game, that
is the Hamilton County rivalry game between Hamilton Southeastern and Fishers.
And if I'm not mistaken, Kyle, even when in years
that there has been like maybe you know, seemingly on
paper a disparity between these two teams, this game almost
always comes down to a crazy finish, doesn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:19:55):
Oh Man, so many times. It's just every almost every
time I've covered it, it's been like an overtime or
a play at the goal line or you know, something
wild that that you know happened. I can't imagine it
won't be that late tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
It's one of the unique games just you know, you
don't have.

Speaker 8 (01:20:12):
A lot of district you know, especially at this size
of school. You know, teams kids that went to school together.
You know, it's basically like brothers playing against each other
in a lot of ways. So yeah, it's gonna you know,
it's almost always comes down to the wire. The crowds
are enormous every year, and I think it used to
be weak two and they pushed it back a couple

(01:20:32):
of weeks, but it's it's, uh, yeah, it's always one
of the best games on the schedule. The Red versus
the Blue, and the colors of the stadium is really
neat too. So yeah, it'll be a great game. I
can't imagine it won't be a field goal cut type
game either way, or touchdown game either way. Uh, you
know they're they're both competitive this year anyway. But but
it's just the nature, you know, like you said, the

(01:20:53):
nature of this series, it just it's almost always a
crazy close game.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
High school football in Indiana. I'm telling you it's it's
pretty awesome. And between the kids, the local communities, the support,
the lights, I love all of it. And Kyle Needden
RiPP will have all of it covered. Kyle appreciate the
time as always. All right, enjoy the games tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:21:11):
All right, guys, Thanks Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Kyle A joining us from the Indianapol Star. We come
back kind of a rehash of a story in relation
to Indianapolis that suddenly and quietly went on kind of
the back burner all of you know. Literally, it was
in the forefront and then seemingly as quickly as it
was a conversation, it's kind of faded away. But is

(01:21:36):
it about to come back at least on this show.
It's about to I'll explain next. Yes, by the way,
no Jalen Jones, we know that going to be out
a while for the Colts. No Ward Jinks, owe me
a coke. And Leatu Latu did not practice today with
a hamstring injury. We will see about his availability as

(01:21:57):
the Colts and Broncos get set for their matchup Lucas
Oil Stadium coming up on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
Chang Siche did say about Latsu that there's a chance
that he'll be on a pitch count.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Well, it's like they're playing baseball. I know, right, there
was a lot of discussion. I just mentioned Lucas Oil
Stadium and the fact that the Colts and Broncos are
playing there on Sunday, and I don't necessarily need to
get into my typical rant about a multipurpose stadium and

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the financial dollars that went into it. I just saw
recently an article about the amount of money that has
been spent now in US cities publicly subsidizing new stadiums,
and there's now kind of this this wave of people
coming to their senses about that. Truthfully, in this building,

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I mean, it's not like I take a survey. But
Rob Kendall, I know, has talked a lot about this.
He and I have talked a lot about it, just
about public tax dollars and the necessity or lack thereof
for sports venues. And it's hard because I work on
a sports station and so I certainly understand what sports
mean to this town. I think I've been, you know,
worn that on my sleeve pretty heavily. But the talk

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about an MLS team now apparently because someone texted in
and asked if we were part of this. Eddie and
I have heard of this. There was like a focus
group or a survey that took place recently again in
Indianapolis about the viability of an MLS team in Indianapolis.
And I think this is interesting because this was a

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ubiquitous storyline I don't know, like maybe last spring, and
in a short version of it. You have in this town,
the India eleven. They are owned by a business owner
that is predominantly in the large construction building business. They

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began building their own complex and retail and business and
stadium park just to the west of downtown and the
old Diamond Chain facility. The problem is not only did
you have some environmental question marks because of the diamond

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chain and some of the stuff that was left behind
of residue there with that, but also that is the
grounds of the one of the original largest cemeteries in
central Indiana, the Green Lawn. I believe it was known
as cemetery from like one hundred years ago, and by
state law, when you begin building something, if you find
any remnant of human remains, you have to stop everything.

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I mean understandably so, and I think they kept that
happened on more than one occasion and made the exec
and then building of that park a challenge. In addition
to that, during that process, the news came out that
the Mayor's office of Indianapolis had had meetings with the

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MLS Major League Soccer, and that the MLS had said,
we would have interest in Indianapolis, but we would prefer
with a different ownership group than that of the India eleven.
I'm not saying that factually, but that's been reported. It
then appears as though the mayor's office began kind of

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a survey amongst people in town and had conversations with
the ownership group of the Pacers and Herb Simon of
the possibility of building a soccer stadium just to the
east of Gamebridge Fieldhouse, in an area that the Simons
would not have ownership in, but they facilitated a conversation

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between the City of Indianapolis and a potential invest I
believe an English professor investor, excuse me, that would be
able to give money and buy into an ownership group
for an MLS team in Indianapolis. Now, what I think
people are a little bit naive to is the amount
that it would cost just to pay the entry fee.

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You're talking upward of probably five hundred million or closer
to even into the billion dollar range, just for the
expansion fee to get in to the MLS, and then
on top of that whatever it would cost for a
stadium and to bring it full circle back. I would
be all for a soccer team in Indianapolis. I would

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be all for even more sports venues in Indianapolis. But
it is my belief that the days of any of
that coming at the cost of a dollar out of
my pocket are done. Because we spent seven hundred and
twenty million dollars on a stadium that we were told
was the one size fits all, end all be all.
Never asked for my dollars again, point being, I think

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it's interesting that this conversation of Indianapolis and professional soccer
was ubiquitous six months ago, and I'm saying it right now.
Most people are probably saying to themselves, you know what,
that's right. I haven't heard about that in forever, like
what happened, And I don't know where things have stalled,
but it's almost like that conversation just kind of vanished.

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I think it'd be awesome. I think it'd be cool,
and I know that there are you know, soccer is
a sport that I put it on. I'm not an
avid fan, but I mean, you know how long a
game is going to be. When you go into it.
There's NonStop action. You know it's going to be two hours.
And I know young people like it and it's there's
no doubt it has increased in popularity versus twenty or
thirty years ago. It's been the sport of the future

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since nineteen seventy eight. But it does seem that now
it is more in the American culture than it was, say,
ten or fifteen years ago. But where it stands with Indianapolis,
I simply find it interesting that it's gone from vocal
conversation to now kind of whisper Saturday that meeting tomorrow.
It is Purdue in usc and they're gonna honor the
Rose Bowl team from two thousand. One of the guys

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that not only was a great player on that team,
not only was nationally recognized, he was the first to
win an award that might actually give a little bit
of glimpse into what is a key offensively for the Colts.
On Sunday, Tim Stratton joins us next what I get
the impression. I have no idea. I've never met this
next individual. I watched him play a lot of football,

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and that was a team in an era that I
was covering Perdue and Tim Stratton was a fabulous player
for the Boilermakers. A three time first team All Bigton performer.
He was the inaugural John Mackie Award winner for the
best tight end in college football. He caught passes not
only from Drew Brees but Kyle Orton. He climbed a

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goalpost once. I have no idea, but I'm gonna guess
Tim Stratton probably is a Green Day fan. I don't
know why I think that. I just think that Tim
Stratton joining us on the program. He will be honored
along with his Rose Bowl teammates tomorrow at Raws Aid
for Purdue and USC Fact or fiction, Tim Stratton, Tim
likes Green Day.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Tim used to like Green Day until they got political.
Then I stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Yes, So college Tim Stratton liked Green Day.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Correct, correct, that is correct. I was a fan.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Okay, fair enough, now if it makes you feel any better.
And you and I have never met, but college Jake
had an internship in New York City and met this
chick and like thought, everything was going great. And then
in nineteen ninety four and she told me that her
boyfriend's band was coming for the weekend so she couldn't
get together. And it turns out her boyfriend's band was
in Green Day. So Jake also used to like Green

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Day and no longer does.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
That's awesome, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
That's fair. Right, Hey, let's get to this, and that
is you know, there's when I think back to this
team that's going to be honored tomorrow and that Rose
Bowl team. You know, we talked to Seth Morales yesterday
and the Holy Toledo play against Ohio State and it
just was such a fun group to watch play and

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now you get a chance to go back and be
honored for the twenty fifth anniversary. First off, does it
feel like twenty five years ago?

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
There's there's times where it does and times where it does,
and I guess it depends on how my backfields when
I get up in the morning. But you know, it's
it's going to be great to a lot of the
guys that are that are coming back in. I now
have you know my daughters that are been active in sports.
I'm a collegiate volleyball player now. So I told the
guys that when I was coming in, I go, you know,

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I'll be watching the game on the field, but I
will also probably be watching my daughter's game on my
phone at the same time. So you know, it's just
a different synmic now for for a lot of us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Okay, your daughter's a volleyball player.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Where Youngstown State University.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Oh that's cool, speaking of which Horizon League, by the way,
based right here in Indy. And you know the I'll
tell you tim, volleyball is amazing because first off, you know,
they've got a professional team now here in Indy. That
is a sport that you want to talk about like
momentum I would imagine you, and you tell me if
I'm wrong here, I would imagine Tim Stratton gets more

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on edge and nervous watching volleyball than he ever did
lining up as a football player.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Absolutely, And I actually was a volleyball player in Illinois
coming out of high school's recruited to play football and
basketball and volleyball in college. And I ended up choosing
football because you know, it just happened. But I love
the sport. I love the fact my daughters were in it.
My middle one is the one that's completely focused on

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it and really worked her bought off to gets to
a scholarship for college. And I'm just really proud of her.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
So let's talk about what it was if you had
those options, you know, and you were part of Joe
Tiller's first recruiting class at Purdue. If I'm not mistaken,
What was it about Purdue initially and Joe Tiller that
drew Tim Stratton out of Oakbrook, Illinois to West Lafayette.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
The fact that coach brought eight of his coaches to
my house. When we sat around my parents' dining room
table and Coach was he asked me what I wanted
to do or you know what I wanted to major,
and I said history. He goes, all right, one was
Purdue founded? And I had no clue when Purdue was
founded it because the only thing I knew about Purdue
was Mike Golstatt and you know, maybe the astronast. That

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was about the only thing I knew back then. Obviously
no social media, and the games were ever on TV.
It was always the Minnesota game that was like fifty
eight to forty eight or you know, they were always
high scoring games. So but you know the fact that
they showed up Coach Corporates, the old quarterbacks coach that
was supposed to come with he passed away that summer

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before we got there, so eight of the nine assistants
were there. And it really made a huge impact on
me and my family and just really fell them love
with the offense and the potential. I was obviously one
hundred and ninety five pound wide receiver in high school.
But they said, listen our tight end at Wyoming last
year on eighty balls, do you want to be like
that or do you want to be a slow receiver

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somewhere else? I'm like, that's a good point. So it
was a good selling point. It was also the fact
that in the Big Ten at that time, there were
a bunch of coaches coming in and Tiller's staff was
the only coach. Tiller was the only one that brought
his entire staff with him. Everyone else was putting the
other of their staffs, you know, Cam Cameron at IU,
Turner Illinois, Nason of Minnesota. So they're they're the continuity

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for them coming in, I thought would be a huge
benefit for myself and for the team.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
You know, my recollection of this, tim and this may
be way off, and you know, and I want to
get to you know, some of your your great games
you had and you know obviously catching balls from Drew
Brees and Kyle Orton, I mean, both great quarterbacks. You know,
there's a lot to get to there, but my recollection,
and you tell me if I'm wrong. I remember later
in your career that you were kind of a guy

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that Joe Tiller All always was kind of poking is
the wrong word, but using as an example of areas
that he wanted leadership and maturity out of, and that
he pushed you harder than maybe other guys. But that's
a from outside perspective. Was there any accuracy to my

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assumption there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Yeah, there was some to it. I also was unfortunately
immature and childish and kind of a creature of the moment,
and so you know, not necessarily looking at long term,
but more the short term and you know, instant gratification
kind of. I guess now this younger generation, I guess
I'm in the wrong generation. But yeah, I just I
wanted to have fun. And you know, we always had

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Drew to tell media that what the school wanted them
to hear, and then you had me that told the truth.
So it was many many tongue lashings from not only
Coach but all my parents and you know Timmy, which
just shut up, like just stop stop saying what you're saying.
I'm like, well, I'm not lying, you know. So it's
uh uh, you know, having a little bit of kuds

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was not something I had back then.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
So what was your relationship with Joe Tiller?

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Coach and I got along great. We I know, publicly
it didn't look like we did, but we actually got
along great. I mean I considered him and Jim Cheney
is kind of like my other two dads, and Coach
hope to be honest with you, So the uh. But
we got along great. You know, we did have our
moments where, you know, publicly when I lost my helmet

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or you know, all that jazz is the Michigan game.
You know, we had a few little run ins, I
would say, but all in all, we got along great.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
And by the way, because I do have to ask
about it. So you guys beat Michigan, you climb up
the goalposts and then somebody swipes your helmet. Right now, now,
how all did this go down? For those that are
unfamiliar with the story, enlighten us with the detail.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
All right, So Travis makes the game winning field goal,
we win the game. Myself and Brandon Goran, who's a
monthly native, we were gonna we tried to go across
the field to say hi, to hide a buddy from
Chicago that was on Michigan. So I tried to, you know,
go talking after the game, but Brandon wanted to go
talk to one of his buddies, but the crowd rushed

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the field. By the time I had lost track of Gorn,
I didn't know where he went. So by the time
I got to the north end zone goal, like you know,
end zone, just sing the fight song with the band.
The team was already gone, like they were rushed off
the field, and so I was like, you know what,
I thought all these kids were around me, and I'm like,
you know what, screw it, Let's go to the goal post.
And I handed my helmet to a kid in one

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of my classes because I recognized them in the class.
And apparently so the kids were trying to lift me up,
you know, my full uniform, and he put the helmet
down to help lift me up. And that's when another
student swiped the helmet. And so after I got you know,
hanging off the goal posts, I was hanging on the
goal post. Then I got crowd served about the fifty
yard line, and when I got down from you know that,

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I realized them I got to crap my helmets gun
get you overwhell. So I tried to usher you know,
her quiet down the kids that are around me and
just a fifty bucks in the case of here whoever
can find my helmet, and I sort of got you
saw every kid like looking all over pretty pommable. And
then by the time I got to the locker room,
the team had already like coach already spoke the team

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like most of the guys were showered already out of
the locker room. So I'm like, all right, well, I
guess I don't have my helmet. And so Sunday's practice
we would practice on Sundays and off on Mondays. I
had a backup helmet that was you know, given to me,
and Sunday night I would write a diary for ABC

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sports dot Com that year that season, and so I
wrote in the diary or in the in my uh yeah,
in the diary, I submitted it to our sid who
then submits to SI you know, to publish it. And
so I wrote in there, if anyone has any whereabouts
my helmet, I will give you the game ball from
the Michigan game. And so we got all these calls

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we got, I mean, back then we only had call
our idea. That was like the new thing back then,
and so we got all these random bults from numbers
that you know, we'd get in the car and drive
over to you know, someone would say at this house
and at that house, and like idiots, we just drove
all over looking for it. And because Taylor had threatened
to suspend me the following week against North Cluster, which
for me was like a home game, you know, back

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up here in Chicago. So Sunday practice, have the backup Monday,
we're off Tuesday. I wear that up helmet Wednesday, backup
helmet Thursday's practice. I get to the locker room and
the backup helmet's gone, and I'm like, gosh, you know, crap.
I looked at Metrion, I looked at Vinnie. I looked
at the usual suspects right that light. I looked at

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the guys i'd know would mess with me. I'm like,
who took it? And all of them were like, we
didn't do it, we didn't take it. So I went
to the manager, the our equipment manager, Mike Shandrick, and
I'm like, hey, Mikey, where's my where's my other helmet.
He's like, coach told us to take it away. I'm
like all right. So Thursday's practice he was like a
shelf practice where it's shoulder pad onlmets and dieboards. So

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I went out there and just my shoulder pads and
my you know shorts and tiewards with no helmet, you know,
start getting in the stretch lines and Feller comes walking
up to me. He's like, hey, where's your where's your helmet?
I said, coach, you know, damn where? Well where my
helmet is? You had it taken away. He's like, I
told you you don't get your hemet back. You're playing.
And I said, coach, that's bs. I said, Thunderboy, which

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is my nickname for Drew. I said, wonder Boy. I
had his helmet take it two years ago after a
bowl practice. No one said a word. But I'm the
jerk tickets, you know, his helmet taking, and I'm you know,
now I'm the one being suspended. I go, that's not fair.
I use some other words. But we're on public radios,
so yes. And so he's like, I didn't know about that.
I'm like, coach, everyone, I just knew about it. You know,

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it is what it is, so lo and behold my backup.
Helmet comes back, you know, comes down to the field.
I put it out of practice. And then that night
one of our roommates answered the phone at like in
the morning and Alex tone from Layne and he some
kid called from a computer lab, a compute for Neue
University Computer Labs. That's how it popped up on the

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caller ID, which is smart on that kid's part. So
you know, we were trying to track down whoever took it,
and he just said, listen, can you please give Tim
Stratton a you know, a message, let him know his
helmet is where he left it, underneath the north end
zone gold posset. So Alex said, sure, hung up. The
kid called back fifteen minutes later, say please, can you

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just repeat what I had the message I need to
give to Tim? And Alex like, sure, under the gold polls. Great,
hung up. Well, apparently the kid broke into the stadium
put the helmet underneath the north end zone goal posts
where he found it, and it had a letter in
it which stated, hear, mister Stratton, I hope this helmet
brings you as much pleasure and has brought me these
past few days and something else. But my sick mind

(01:41:01):
was just thinking, look what did you do with it?
And right, you know, like you know, being an eighteen,
nineteen twenty year old kid, that's immediately what I thought. Uh.
And it turns out that he had called also called
the coach Killer's office and left the message with Carlita
or our secretary, and so the managers went in that
that morning, you know, took the helmet, apark just efected it,

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put it back together, and I was able to play
the rest of the season with it. And now that
helmet doesn't doesn't leave me.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
So where did you know that? Did you ever find
out who the kid was? Did you give them a
keay sa beer?

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
You know what I did? Not what I did? He
sent like a couple of buddies, or at least they
claimed to be his friends. They wanted the game ball
from the Michigan game, because that's what that was my reward,
And uh so I ended up taking a practice ball
and had a couple of the walk on you know,
sign it and give it to the kid, and didn't like,
screw you, you know what I mean, like if you're

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all right, if you're not, if you're not going to
be a man enough to like come and at least say, hey,
it's my fault. I'm sorry. But it turns out I
found out from his friend that the kid when he
took the helmet, he went home, it was tall breakd
and he's lived a couple hours away, so he gave
the helmet to his little brother, and so it took
him a couple of days to get back to you know,
grab it and bring it back to school, So that

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that was the delay, but nonetheless it was me being stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
So here's that thing though. Look, and I get the
fact that like from a now that we are adults, right,
you got to look back and say, you know, that
was immature and whatever else. But but let's be real
here in the moment, the crowdsurfing had to be pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
Oh it was great. I mean when I met with
Chiller on Sunday, he uh, he called me into his
off and he's like, hey, how did a hundred guys
get off the field with their helmet and you're the
only idiot that that didn't? I go, Coach, I got
you know, it was mobbed. You know, the kids were
all over And he pulls up a picture of one
of the newspapers and it shows me crowdsurfing holding to

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his new flags like in my hands, and he's like, really,
I go, all right, you got me? Like, you know,
my bad. So I couldn't lie my way out of
that one, but I definitely tried.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Hey, what's your relationship now with you know, just your
teammates in general, And you know, I think you were
you're obviously kind of a fun, loving teammate. But you
know Drew Brees, for example, who you caught a lot
of balls from. And you guys had a great on
field relationship. What's the relationship now? And who are you
looking forward to seeing this weekend?

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
You know, I'm looking forward to seeing all the guys.
You know, I still talk with. You know that recruiting class,
we were Tiller's first class, myself, true, Ben Smith, Jason
or Zelle Vinny Matriown. You know, we had a real
good group of guys. And I think what really like
Gelda with us was the fact that we were ranked
the tenth out of the eleven Big Ten recruiting classes.

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And I think that helped. That motivated us to say,
you know what, Tom Letting, you don't know anything. You know,
all these other people I don't even know back then
move they were. But we're going to prove you wrong.
We're going to come in and play this basketball and
grass and it is. It was a fun group. We're
all still really tight, which is good. I mean, you know,
we're all busy now with our own kids and work
and everything else, but when we have an opportunity to

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get together, it's sure is nice to see everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Tim Stratton, our guest, the tight end who was the
inaugural winner of the John mckew Award, given out to
college football's best tight end. The reigning owner of that
title is Tyler Warren, who is with the Colts and
will be with them Sunday against the Broncos at Lucas
Oil Stadium. He won the award last year at Penn State.
How much Tim, do you follow still like college football

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and for that matter, of the NFL today, and if so,
your impressions of Tyler Warren.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
I think he's a hell of the player. I actually
am on the voting committee for the mckew Award, so
he was definitely my top tack. Kim and Colston Love
and Loveland the Bears at tight end, but I really
enjoyed watching Tyler play. Ironically, my fifth year at Purdue,
when I stayed point year, I was the third street quarterback,

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So if the two freshmen went down, Brandon Hanson Kyle Orton,
I was the emergency quarterback. So it was because I
knew the offense and I could throw the wall. So
it was kind of a irony that you know, our
latest winner could play quarterback running back. I mean, he
could do it all. He's just a hell of an
athlete and I'm happy the Colts took him and he's

(01:45:22):
I think he's gonna have a great at all career.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
Yeah, he's a heck of a player. And you're right,
you can kind of you love any guy. I mean
Tim Stratton. He is an old school dude. I mean
Shane Steichen said, just an old school baller. And you
got to kind of see a little of yourself in that,
like you just talked about, right, just the ability to
be versatile like that. It really does feel throwback, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
It does, it does, and it's it's great, It's it
was really fun to watch him play. He was definitely
a different difference maker for Penn State and I think
he's going to do wonderful things for the Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Okay, lastly, for this game Purdue and USC, do you
often watch I know you said, you know you've got
your daughter playing at Youngsound State. You got kids, and
you got a lot going on. But for Purdue football,
just your overall impressions or what you would like to
see other than the obvious, which is a win against
USC and what is now a new era for Perdue football.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
It's crazy to me that it is considered a Big
ten game, to be honest, I know, because we played
them in ninety eight and the kickoff Classic out at
the Coliseum and so it it's just so weird for it.
But nonetheless, I think it's going to be I hope
it's going to be a great game. I'm hoping our
I know, offensively, their first two games, I think they're
one of the highest averaging offenses in the country right now,

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scoring wise, I'm really hoping to get the Due defense
consightful their offense, and I'd like to see Ryan Brown
throw the ball more. I'd like to see the tight
ends be more involved in the offense. And then Devin
Moxraby I think is you know, he could be a
difference maker tomorrow depending on how our offensive line performs.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
By the way, since you guys played in the Rose Bowl,
I mean you mentioned playing at USC then obviously you
play Washington in the Rose Bowl. That's what you guys
are going to be honored for coming up tomorrow. I
just went to the Rose Bowl, not for a football game.
I went to a concert there last weekend and I
had never been in the Rose Bowl. I mean, obviously,
the Rose Bowl is so iconic, and I mentioned this
and I want you, Tim Stratton to basically to have

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my back here. Fabulous venue, historic, beautiful setting, beautiful sunset,
beautiful mountains in the background. Terrible And I know you
were on the field and you were not up in
the stands, but maybe like friends or family told you this.
Presumably everybody when that stadium was built was five foot
six and one hundred and ten pounds. That is the
most cramped dump ever.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
I believe it. Yeah, my family did say that. I mean,
I'm the biggest in my family, but my brothers that
were there, my sister, my uncles, you know, they're all
about six feet tall. So but they did say that.
I thought the stadium was cool. Obviously the field perspective,
I wish our outcome could have been a lot different
than we would have thrown the ball a hell of

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a lot more than we did. But it was really
And our Purdue fans traveled so well. I mean they
are I mean I still get people that I run
into from work that are like we were at the
Rose Bowl. I mean, it was there was huge rallies there,
there were so many fans out there. And what's funny
is a lot of people in like the LA area
where Pasadena area thought Purdue was a an Ivy League school.

(01:48:28):
They literally we'd go the guys would go out and
you know, we have a drink or something, and the
bartenders would be like, are you an Ivy League school?
Like what are you doing out here? We're like, no,
we're big ten. But obviously nobody from Purdue has been
out here since nineteen sixty seven. So but it was
a great experience. I really enjoyed it. I wish I
wouldn't snapped the ball over the punter's head the one time,
but you know it was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
Yeah, okay, fair enough, Tim Stratton, listen, soak it all in.
Have fun this weekend. You know, if they beat USC,
feel free to climb the goalpost, CrowdSurf, do whatever you
want to do.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
Right Yeah, this time, though, I might get arrested, So
I don't know if that's I don't know if that's
worth it, but you know, maybe maybe produe Caps will
be nice.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
By the way, do you know what your Purdue was founded?

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
Was it eighteen sixty eight?

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
I think I'm looking this up. I'm looking this up ooh.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Well, eighteen eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
I can't remember eighteen sixty nine. Basically, I'm given to
you that's good May sixth to eighteen sixty nine, right,
And I'm sure you probably looked that up after. Of
course you couldn't google it when Joe Tiller came in.
But nonetheless, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Oh, no, gosh, no, you know that's but coach loved
to like I said, if if you said you wanted
to do something or you were going to do something,
you'd call you out on it. So which I appreciated
everything he said, even though at the time I didn't
as an adult and as a parent, as a coach,
I appreciate everything that all the coaches you know, taught us,
and so I try to use that when you know,

(01:49:57):
with parenting, with coaching, with you know, every day life.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
What do you do now? By the way, you mentioned coaching,
what is life like for Tim Stratton?

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Now you know, I used to coach high school football.
I coached Division III football for a couple of years,
then I coached high school. Then I went to grade
school when my nephews were playing. Then I went back
to high school, and then now I've stopped because my
kids got busy, so you know, I'd like to actually
go watch my own kids. And then I've also I'm
a director of business development for an electrical contracting firm

(01:50:27):
up here in Chicago, and so I mean I used
to have a little more freedom with coaching. But now
that I decided to step away and actually watch my
own kids, I miss it. But I don't miss it
because I think the generations are a little different now,
meaning my my personality and coaching personality is more like
how I was coached, right, how these.

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
Kids are now totally different era. Yes, that is correct.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Oh my god. You know I'm not afraid to call
a kid out in front of people, and a lot
of these kids, you know, they can't take that anymore.
You know, the kids that want to do well and
want to excel, they accept it and know it not
meant from any other purpose of you know, trying to
hurt them. It's trying to help them improve. But you know,
you got a lot of these parents that are living
vicariously through their kids, so you know they want to

(01:51:13):
be involved in everything.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
So I trust me, I totally get it. Totally get it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Tim.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
We appreciate it. Man, boiler up and enjoy it this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
All right, thanks so much. I really appreciate you having
me on all.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
Right, Tim Stratt and joining us on the program. Awesome.
Speaking of Perdue, by the way, it is a Franciscan health,
feel good, good for the heart Friday, and something that
relates to your Indianapolis Colts, something that relates to something
you're going to see all season long, something that relates
to paying tribute to the owner of the Colts and
Jim or say and something he was passionate about. And

(01:51:46):
it involves Purdue as well. We'll do all of it next.
What it is, of course a Friday bottom of the
two o'clock hour. That means it is a Franciscan Health,
feel good, good for the heart Friday. Reminder that I
will get to about the importance of a forty nine
dollars non invasive heart scan. I mentioned yesterday I had
a cardiac stress test, so heart health very important to me.

(01:52:11):
And along with getting everybody that information and talking about
the importance and the appreciation for Franciscan in partnering with
that message, we also find stories that simply make you
feel good. And this one is one that obviously has
a difficult beginning to the story in the loss of
jim Irsay. And Jim Irsay, we know philanthropically what he

(01:52:35):
meant to the city of Indianapolis, what he meant to
the football community, and in addition to that, you know,
he was a guy that I think was kind of
a stranger to no one, not because he was famous,
but because I think that even though as a billionaire
NFL owner, he put himself out there in areas that
were relatable to the casual fan, the diehard fan, or

(01:52:58):
even the non football fan because of his interests outside
of football, and one of those interests, of course, was
music and his vast guitar collection. He also has drums
that belong to the Beatles. But there was an effort
that was put into place in terms of this season
being dedicated to Jim Irsay in the win for Jim

(01:53:20):
if you will. Over the course of the season, messaging
taking place for the Colts, and Shane Steichen had an
idea about how to not only pay tribute to jim Irsay,
but also to allow his team to have something to
aspire for towards in that delivery of message and joining

(01:53:42):
me now on the program, a couple of guys that
were a part of that. And it is odd to
think that the Indianapolis Colts and Shane Steichen, a guy
who had been a quarterback at UNLV, would have something
that they would do each and every week to pay
tribute to their owner, and they would do so by
way of the work of a couple of guys at
Purdue University. But joining me now in the program, one

(01:54:03):
of them is a professor at Purdue. Mark French joins me,
and he is joined by an alum in Noah Scott,
and I will bring first Mark into the program. Mark,
you're a guy, if I'm not mistaken, that basically just
sits around and puts together wooden strings and makes guitars,
right Is it.

Speaker 7 (01:54:21):
That say I do some other stuff too? But yeah,
that's what happened this case.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Yeah, okay, So let's begin with this Mark. You are
up at Purdue, and essentially it is the guitar Lab
at Purdue. And I'm sure that the simplicity of music
that comes from a guitar probably does have there's a
lot more to it than that. There's an engineering aspect
of it. But take me through first off, just the

(01:54:46):
Guitar Lab, and then how it came to be that
you would be connected with the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 7 (01:54:51):
Well, the Star Lab has been around for gosh almost
twenty years now, and it's a place where we teach
students product design and manufacturing using guitars. And it's had
a couple of different homes. Right now it's in a
brand new building and it looks great. It's a really nice,
nice place. The way I came to be involved in
this project is that Noah had some contacts with the

(01:55:14):
Colts and we've actually gone down to see the Airstay
collects and my students and I courtesy of Noah. That
was last year, and so when the Colts decided they
wanted this guitar, they contacted Noah and then Noah talked
me into it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Basically, Okay, so Noah, let's let's grab Noah here on
the line. Noah Scott is an alum at Purdue University.
Mark just mentioned Noah your connection to the Colts and
where this came about. That Basically, what we have is
that each and every game, at the end of the game,
Shane Stiken will present the win for Jim Guitar to

(01:55:51):
a player of the game, who will then present that
guitar for fans to see, like at the next home game,
and place it where it needs to be. And each
player can, of course aspire to being awarded this symbol,
if you will. For Jim Mersay, how Noah Scott, for
you did this come about from the very who was

(01:56:12):
the first person to come up with this idea? And
then how did you say? Let me get ahold of
Mark and let's get going.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:56:20):
So this was a rainy day in Raleigh, North Carolina,
at the Raleigh Durham Airport. My flight just got canceled
and I see a call come in from a gentleman
named Larry Hall, who the head of the Jim Mersey
collection up until just this summer and back when myself
and Mark and the students and the lab first visited.

(01:56:40):
That all came about because I called Larry at the
colts and he said, Hey, why don't you go ahead
and bring the students down. I'll give you guys a
background tour. And that was such a great experience, and
he was so jazzed about the lab that when he
gave me a call at the airport, he said, Noah,
this idea came up. We thought, you guys, first of mind,
what do you think, said Larry, my flight just got canceled.

(01:57:02):
Let me give Mark call and we'll try to balance
this all together. And gave Mark a call, and in
between rescheduling my flight, Mark said, that's great. I don't
know who Peyton Manning is, but we'll do it.

Speaker 6 (01:57:13):
So that's cool to be.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Okay. Well, so here's the thing. You know, guitars, that's
the important thing right now. So the question is this, Noah,
in terms of the specifications of this guitar the win
for Jim guitar. Did the Colts give you carte blanche
of Hey, you've seen the ersa guitar collection, you just
come up with what you think he would like? Or

(01:57:36):
did they did they say we wanted to look exactly
like this, et cetera. What goes into the creativity, if
you will, and then the finished product.

Speaker 9 (01:57:46):
Sure, so Coach Steichen had kind of a good idea
of what he would like the guitar to be sent
that over, and as with a lot of things in life,
there had to be some changes and modifications made to
make sure that it would kind of get to the
spirit of what he was looking for and so we
worked back and forth with him, and the guitar design

(01:58:07):
at the end of the day was a combination of
his idea and Mark and I ability to make it
happen in real life.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
Okay, let me talk to Mark real quick, Mark French
again with Purdue University as well in the Guitar Lab,
and then we'll get back to Noah. But Mark, I
wanted to ask you this when and it is a
very cool guitar. It is a blue guitar. It is
essentially like an electric guitar with the blue horse shoe
down on the bottom left. It says win for Jim
on it. When you had seen Mark the Jimmersay guitar

(01:58:35):
collection from first off, just from the standpoint of world
collections of music, I would assume that that is one
that is as high on the list as any in
terms of the unique individual collection. But also was there
inspiration perhaps from some of the guitars you had seen
that Jimmersay owned in kind of the vision as well

(01:58:58):
of what you wanted this one to be.

Speaker 7 (01:59:00):
Well, yeah, the guitars we saw, it's not a there
There aren't a whole lot of guitars in the collection,
but they are very unique. They're they're important instruments, and
that's that's what makes the collection so valuable and so unique.
The the guitar they wanted was actually a fairly basic design.
It would be similar to the kinds of of guitars

(01:59:21):
that were there in the early days of rock and roll.
So the the the older instruments in his collection would
be the ones we were kind of drawing on. That
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Yeah, Now the question then, Mark hold On. Did he
say Mark that you didn't know who Peyton Manning was?
That then that that's that's he's riven you there, right?

Speaker 7 (01:59:41):
No, No, I'm afraid he's not. I really didn't know
who Peyton Manning was. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:59:46):
I love let me tell you something, Mark, that's a
guy dedicated to his craft. That means that you literally
are stuck in the lab. I love it, right, I
mean that that's that is That's what I take from that. Noah,
I wanted to ask you in other thing about this.
Noah Scott, who is a Purdue alum and was part
of this project, the win for Jim Guitar that was
put together at the Purdue University Guitar Lab. Noah, when

(02:00:10):
you go into the building of a guitar and the
creation and the engineering of a guitar and all of
that that goes into it. I would imagine that you know,
you're an artist, and you're an artist that's putting together
a piece of art, and art is to be displayed
by more than just the artists themselves. But what amount
of pride is there, not just for Purdue, but for

(02:00:32):
you guys in general, to be able to see that
you were able to contribute to somebody that was able
to bring together the symbolism of the passion as well
as their sport.

Speaker 9 (02:00:45):
Yeah, I mean candidly, it means the world because to
a certain extent, you know, a lot of people will
see this guitar, hear the name of the Perdue Guitar Lab,
and it was on Marke and ized shoulders. To make
sure that that impression not only honor Jim Mersay, but
honored the work of the students here at Perdue and

(02:01:05):
Purdue a large because it carries the pretty name and
the labs name. And so you kind of walk the
balance of making sure that you fulfill anything and everything
that could possibly be done to bring his memory to
life in this special way and also represent the history

(02:01:26):
and passion of the students here at Perdue.

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
Noah, what does the long term vision for the guitar?
What is I mean? Obviously for this year and maybe
it's beyond this year, but Shane Steiken will present it.
DeForest Buckner was the first recipient by the way of
the honorary Jim Mersey guitar. After this season with the
win for Jim season, then the guitar will ultimately be displayed.

(02:01:49):
Where or is this something now that has no end
date in terms of its role.

Speaker 9 (02:01:56):
That's a great question I would assume for Coach Stike
and and whatnot. Our task ended the day we handed
off the guitar, and it's taken on a life of
its own. So just as you all will, we look
forward to seeing where it goes from here.

Speaker 1 (02:02:10):
Guys, we appreciate it. Mark French and Noah Scott from
Purdue University and the Guitar Lab putting together the Shane
Steichen and of course Carli Urse Gordon, the daughters and
as well Pete Ward was a big part of it
as well, the Indiapolis Colts and Larry Hall. The win
for Jim guitar. Guys appreciate it very much and we

(02:02:30):
shall see who it is this weekend that is the
one that gets that award from Shane Steichen And it
will pull on the heart strings, I can promise you
of the team and the daughters, especially when they are
in the locker room after the game and Purdue giving
their contribution to it. Speaking of hearts and heart strings,
just a reminder again, folks, the number one heart program
in Indiana for cardiology by health grades, number one in

(02:02:52):
Indiana for interventional crodinary care and major cardiac surgery by
care checks is Franciscan Health and it is so important
the ability to get that forty nine dollars heart screen
you can pay out of pocket. It is a way
to get just an idea with your heart. You get
a heart health risk assessment with it. And I was
forty eight years old when I had a heart attack,

(02:03:12):
and so you think to yourself, well, that's that's old
guys stuff. I mean, forty eight is old, granted, but
you get what I'm saying there. You can never be
too early and being aware of your heart health, especially
if you have a history within your family of heart
health or cardiovascular disease. If you were a former or
current smoker. If you've had battles with obesity or diabetes,
those are risk elements as well, but it is oh

(02:03:36):
so important to make sure that you're on top of it.
You can always find out more at franciscanhealth dot org
slash screening bundles. That's franciscanhealth dot org slash slash screening bundles,
or you can call eight three three two three eight
zero six eight eight. That's eight three three two three
eight zero six eight eight. As always, you can text
me anytime twenty four to seven to ask me the

(02:03:57):
questions about heart health and I will happily get back
to you and make sure that we can get you
in touch with Franciscan. All right, coltson Broncos coming up Sunday,
we'll hand it off to John as part of our
crossover with Love Heating and Air. He is at Coaches
downtown and we will get you our predictions and prognostication.
See I said it right that time for the game
as well.

Speaker 6 (02:04:16):
Next what.

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
Coltson Broncos coming up Sunday? Lucas Oil Stadium talked about
it earlier. I think when you look at Denver defensively,
they like the Blitz and the Colts actually fared well
against the Blitz with Miami, but different looks perhaps, and
I think Tyler Warren again becomes important to establish early

(02:04:40):
and get things going. But we will get our predictions
coming up. Just minute. Do we have John by the way,
Eddie the crossover of course, as we get set to
hand it off to JMV who will be with you
coming up at three o'clock brought to you by the
good guys at Love Heating and Air Love Dash HVAC
dot com three one seven three five three twenty one
forty one and John, you are at one of our
favorite places down town at Coaches. You get everybody set

(02:05:03):
for what's going to be a big showdown coming up
on Sunday.

Speaker 6 (02:05:06):
Jake, it is me and Tommy.

Speaker 10 (02:05:08):
Yes, I think Chris Hagen is going to be here,
so that should be exciting and one hell of a day.
And you got to remind everybody too, we have Broncos
Colts tickets to give away with zinc and our friends
at bud Light, and we want you here to win those.
But also remember that we're going to start up Colts
Happy Hour with me and then get into the AU
Football pre game with Don because Indiana State and IU

(02:05:31):
and Bloomington on a Friday night on the fan later
on tonight.

Speaker 6 (02:05:34):
So we've got a lot to get to.

Speaker 10 (02:05:35):
As Jerry Reed famously said, we've got a lot to
do in a short time to do it.

Speaker 6 (02:05:42):
That's kind of what he said, right, and he's mounted
down right.

Speaker 10 (02:05:45):
I got a lot a lot of blank to do
and not a lot of time to do it. So
let's do it right here at coach is Tafforn.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
Okay, I want to ask you this, John, Indiana State
in Indiana tonight at Memorial Stadium, an odd Friday, not odd,
but you know this couple of times they've done this
now on a Friday night. But it's a forty forty
six and a half point spread. I think Indiana State
covers your thoughts.

Speaker 10 (02:06:07):
I would say, I would hope they would cover. I
think that this is like tuned up for you know,
a fifty two nothing. If they score, they cover, right, I.

Speaker 1 (02:06:16):
Mean that's what I tell you. They absolutely cover.

Speaker 6 (02:06:18):
Yeah, they might.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
Need ten, they might need ten, but yes, I think
they cover.

Speaker 6 (02:06:23):
Then let me tell you what they have covered.

Speaker 10 (02:06:25):
However, the spread of finances with five hundred and fifty
thousand dollars for a trek down forty six and back
for the Sycamore program. That just can't live on my
seventy five cents a month that I give them n
Tara HOAt, So you've got to do more. Five point
fifty K. Five fifty k is a nice round number.
Listen in a shout out to Kurt Mallory. But we

(02:06:47):
both like the Mallory family. Jake a great deal. Kurt
is really good people, a really good coach, and that
is this is not breaking news. Here an absolutely impossible
job to try to navigate, and he has done it
to the absolute best of his ability.

Speaker 6 (02:07:04):
It is impossible to do. It is tough, it really is.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
John will be with you coming up, yes Indiana Indiana
State talk, but a lot of colts Broncos talk as well.
Hagen will be there and a chance to win tickets
with Zinc and bud Light if you are there and
coaches to see John between now and You'll be there
high late today. John, we'll be here.

Speaker 10 (02:07:24):
I'll be here until probably around seven now as the
well we're going to be on because yesterday took us down.
I think I don't think there was any uh, triple
a membership lounge or any chat room going on?

Speaker 6 (02:07:34):
Is it back today? Do we know Jake? And is
it back for you?

Speaker 1 (02:07:37):
Eddie gives a very cooy thumbs up, so you're good
to go.

Speaker 10 (02:07:41):
I people really like watching me drink. I've learned this,
so that's cool, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:07:48):
I believe me and believe me rare opportunity to do so.
All right, Yes on Sunday, Right, you got it? Brother
j and V is up next. We'll be back with
you at noon on Monday recapping Colts and Broncos. But Eddie,
your score prediction is. I think I went Colts twenty three,

(02:08:08):
Broncos twenty. Oh man, that's pretty tough to twenty four
to sixteen Colts win. I don't know the Broncos will
get more points in that right, twenty four to twenty one.
You try to come up with unusual numbers. But I
do think the Colts will win. On Sunday, Big Key
is going to be watching that blitz and being ready
for it. But we will discuss it either way. I
will do so at noon on Monday. I thank you

(02:08:29):
for listening to Quarum Company.

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