Colts vs Dolphins Preview & Weekend Recap! Zak Keefer Stephen Holder, and Scott Agness Join!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is a Tuesday that feels like a Monday, because
yesterday was a Monday that felt like a Sunday, to
be honest with you, but Sunday felt like a Sunday.
So it's kind of weird. You got two Sundays and
then now today is a Tuesday that feels like a Monday.
But here's the thing. It is a newsday Tuesday, is
what it is. Because there is a lot going on

(00:20):
on this the opening week of the National Football League season,
with the Colts getting underway, obviously at Lucas Oil Stadium,
everything getting kicked off with the Miami Dolphins in town,
and there's plenty to unpack from that, including an area
that I thought was a strong suit for the Colts

(00:40):
that now I have concern about for the Colts, and
not concern in terms of the validity of personnel, but
rather just how well they might play with one another
and simply being an unknown entity or quantity. We'll get
into that a lot over the course of the show today.

(01:04):
As a matter of fact, Stephen Hold, We're going to
join us in the one o'clock hour and we will
talk with Stevenholder of ESPN dot com about exactly that
there is big news in college football after Purdue rolls
ball State, Indiana gets a win over Old Dominion. I
think there were some question marks about Indiana. I thought
Notre Dame. I realize that there are probably a lot

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of people that would look at that, especially if you're
a Notre Dame fan and be very disappointed with that
game in Miami. I understand that sentiment for certain, but
I thought there was reason for optimism if you're a
Notre Dame fan. And I don't think that what took
place for Notre Dame, assuming that they have the year

(01:49):
that we anticipate them having. I don't know that that
hurts you a tremendous amount, but you put yourself in
position now where you got to tighten things up just
a little bit. We can get into that the Fever
are in action and they are in a situation where
their back is kind of against the wall. Here Caitlyn

(02:10):
Clark and that availability. Eddie Garrison is the other voice
you hear on this program. He of course, is the
pre and post game host for the Indiana Fever broadcast.
So Eddie, get me up to speed real quick in
a thirty second window on what the Fever week looks
like where they are and when we may or may
not see Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
No update on Caitlyn Clark Jake. Stephanie White was not
asked leading up to their game on a Sunday against
Golden State about her availability and her practice time, but
sdeaka through a shoot around ahead of the game against
the Los Angeles Sparks on Friday night, So that's an
encouraging sign. The upcoming schedule for the Indiana Fever they

(02:51):
are in action tonight nine to forty five is went all,
have the pregame coverage against the Phoenix Mercury and Phoenix,
then the return home on Friday to take on the
Sky at seven point thirty, go back on the road
on Sunday at three o'clock to take on the Washington Mystics,
and conclude the regular season on Tuesday, a week from
today at home against the Minnesota Links at seven thirty.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
And of course, Stephanie White had told us that she
wants to see at least five full speed practices of
Kitlin Clark before Caitlyn Clark would return to the lineup,
so that certainly puts that in question as well. Eddie,
your weekend in general was how.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
It was pretty good. It was nice to have a
you know, an extra day off at the Fever. That
Fever game, by the way, on Sunday night was incredibly long, like, oh,
it was so brutal, two hours and thirty eight minutes.
They had clock issues, correct, multiple clock issues, like they
ended up having to shut off the clocks that were
on top of the basketball.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Those are Tossou's. Is that right? Yes, And it's a
fine watch. It is a fine watch. But they had
problems with the clock, right.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
They had a power outage in the Golden State area
or I guess I forget where they play their games. Uh,
they had they had a power outage in the area
state area. They played Oakland, don't they, Yes, thank you.
I was trying to figure out the I couldn't remember.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
They played San Francisco. Did they play in the Warriors
arena because the Wars arenas now you know, yeah San Francisco, Yeah, okay, Uh,
so they were having power.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
They had a power outage earlier in the day that
affected the clocks apparently, and then they couldn't get the
clocks on the court and sink a couple of different times.
So they had stoppages there. It was just it was
just and then they brought out old school shot clocks. Right, yeah,
clocks this chair.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Can you hear that? Squeaking?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
No.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Saturday spent pretty much the entireday watching college football. Went
over to a buddy's house Saturday night, had a good
time there, watched h your Tigers lose to l s U.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
That was fun.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
And then Sunday I had the fever and went went
to the pool. It was nice, nice relaxation day.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I thought both Clemson and LSU and Ohio State Texas
and helped my sister move into an apartment down in
IU yesterday. Oh that's always fun. Oh yes, I thought
both l us you Clemson and Ohio State Texas were games.
That they were good games because you knew you were
watching two really good teams. But at the same time,

(05:09):
I'm not going to say they were sloppy games, but
just kind of there were no fireworks about it. Yeah,
you were just kind of waiting for some big play
to happen. And it was two teams that And again
I think that when you look at and I don't
mean to bring Clemson, nobody here cares about Clemson. I
realized but I'm going to you know, I follow Clemson,

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but Clemson, and you know, what did we say about
this college football season? And yes, there's big news in
IndyCar And I'm going to get to that, including recapping
for everybody. A bunch of stuff coming up here in
just a minute. But Clemson LSU, you have two teams

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preseason rankings are seemingly so meaningless, but they are supposed
to give you a barometer. So you have two teams
that are top eight teams, if you will. And I
thought that game was more about Clemson not looking very
good than it was LSU looking really good. And I thought,
Ohio State Texas, you have two teams that are supposed

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to be top five teams. I thought that game was
more about Ohio State looking really good than it was
Texas looking really bad. Arch Manning really struggled in that game,
but I think a big part of that was just
the overall raucous nature and strength of Ohio State. Because
Ohio State, you know, defensively, they came up with big

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plays where they needed them. Offensively they made I thought
they in particular on the ground had good moments, and
then defensively, their front four really made things difficult for Texas,
and in particular in goal line situations. Notre Dame in Miami,
I thought that game came down to Miami had veteran

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leadership at the quarterback position and the fighting Irish did not. However,
I thought car for especially on that final driveway they scored,
showed tons of moxie, tons of maturity, and I think
he's going to be a very very good player for them.
I thought where Notre Dame lost to Miami was simply

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this and that is the overall and don't I was
listening to it on the radio and I saw the
last probably half of the fourth quarter, but because I
was driving back from Nashville, but I thought that in
the trenches and I don't know if this was if
they mentioned this on the broadcast much maybe they overplayed it.

(07:48):
I have no idea. The heat and the humidity in
the overall elements of South Florida, Miami got such dominance
on in the trenches on both the offensive and defensive
line for the better part of that game that I
wondered how much of that was simply being used to
the condition and the attrition that can come with that

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and wearing down Notre Dame, whereas Miami was a little
bit more conditioned for that environment. I thought Miami looked good,
I thought, But I did think Notre Dame looked good.
And they how does Notre Dame get a bye week
in week two? Who schedules that? But they're off and
then they get Texas A and M and then you
know the rest from there. Indiana, I thought at the

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quarterback play, I thought Mendoza looked you know, he said
afterwards that he wanted to get better idea of just
his footing. I don't think that he felt totally comfortable
at first in that game, didn't really get into a flow.
And Old Dominion look, I know that Indiana just you know,

(08:54):
they Old Dominion kind of hung around. They got that
big strike early. But I thought, if there was one
area where you were going to you were going to
critique Indiana, it would be the fact that they they
were susceptible at times to big chunk yardage on the
ground and in the big ten. That's something you're going
to want to take care of. But you do what
you gotta do. I thought I was talking with Derek

(09:14):
Schultz earlier, and he made a very good point about this.
If you look at that Notre Dame Indiana playoff game
some nine months ago, and if you were an Indiana fan,
you're like, yeah, but they only lost by ten. I
mean they were the closest opponent to Notre Dame in
the postseason until the National Championship game, and they played
the closest playoff game. Well that's true, but that was

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a twenty four point game for the vast majority of
that game, and then a couple of junk scores late
for Indiana made it respectable on Well but you know, no, no, no,
you just just look at the final score and not
the box score. Well if that's the case, then when
you look at this game against Old Dominion, you know,
you could sit there and say like, no, look but

(09:58):
they won, you know, easily in the game. Look at
the score, but Old Dominion was hanging around it and
it was a little bit closer than it needed to
be for the better part of that game. Kind Of
can't have it both ways there, but either way I
want to know. And then Purdue with a huge win
over ball State. So over the weekend, I was obviously
in Nashville at the Nashville super Speedway for the IndyCar Race,

(10:21):
and we now know this Will Power is done in
terms of his time with Team Penske. And one of
the things that is interesting the silly season, as we

(10:41):
call it in racing. Sometimes it pays off and it's
just like there's movement all over the place. It's like
Oprah Winfrey, like you get a new job, and you
get a new job, and you get a new job,
you get a car, and you get a car, and
you get a car, and then there's other years where
really nothing happens. And there are times when there's there's
all this build up in anticipation, kind of like last

(11:02):
night's Powerball. Last night, there's all this build up in anticipation.
Powerball one point one billion, get your ticket now, I
got you know, Oh gosh, Shannon. Last night it's like
we forgot to get a Powerball ticket. I'm like, I'll
go get a Powerball ticket. I'm waiting in line. Of course,
I'm always behind the guy. Every time I go into
these situations, I get behind the one guy that is
buying scratch off tickets and he's re refinancing his house

(11:24):
based on scratch off tickets, and he's looking at the
board of all the available ones, and he's like, yeah,
i'll take two thirty Eight's a forty one. If you
had any luck lately with the seventeens, anybody by this
say okay, I'll buy a seventeen. And you know are
the eleven is five dollars or three dollars and you're going, Bud,
come on, man, let's go that happened to me last night.

(11:45):
But there's this line of people to buy powerball tickets
And then Eddie, did you buy a Powerball ticket?

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Nope?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Did not do you ever?

Speaker 4 (11:52):
No.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
You you go on the gambling apps and you put
down hard lay wagers over whether or not a guy
is going to get hit by a pitch in the
seventh inning. Okay, Mariner's padres game, don't do that now.
But you've never bought a powerball ticket.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I have bought one in the past, but I have
not bought one with it being whatever it is before
billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
It is now one point three billion, because the point
being when it gets to one billion, then you you
start saying to yourself like, oh man, this is gonna
be awesome. There's gonna be like some big news story.
Somebody's gonna win it da da da da, and then
it rolls over again. Nothing happens, It just goes away

(12:38):
in the middle of the night. And then the next
day you look and you're like, oh, wait a minute,
and they look and they say it rolled over again.
Now it's one point three billion, which will go up
because so many people will buy it. The thing that
is that that most illuminates to me is how astronomically impossible,
seemingly it is to win, because you have to think
to yourself, how many tiskets were sold when it was

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believed to be over one billion dollars, and yet even
with that, even with two hundred million tickets being sold
in the last four days, no one got the winning combination.
It's unbelievable. And with the silly season in IndyCar, oftentimes
you have all these hopes and expectations and thoughts and

(13:24):
your mind starts racing of like, this guy's going to
this car, and this guy's going to this car, and
this team's getting rid of this driver and everything else,
and fans get all into it. And then a lot
of times you find out that the combinations, the number
it just didn't work out. That was not the case
this year. Because the key domino in all of it

(13:46):
was will Power. Will Power who has more polls than
anybody in the history of IndyCar, will Power, who has
won an Indy five hundred and championships with Roger Penske.
Will Power, who, lest we forget, was with kV Racing
Technology when he first was in then Champ Car, and
then of course they united with IndyCar and he was

(14:11):
driving for kV Racing Technology as a rookie in his
first eighty five hundred, and then Elio castron Nevis had
the situation where he had to step out of his
ride because of a tax evasion lawsuit of which castro
Nevis was acquitted, but because he wasn't in the car,

(14:31):
will Power was the replacement driver on in for Roger Penske,
and he had to make a decision do I go
into this kind of emergency situation and fill in or
do I go with a lesser team. He opted for
the big team on a substitute basis, and obviously it
worked out for him because he ended up with a
full time ride as well when castro Nevis came back.

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But now that time has come to an end, and
that is the key Domino because this and the question
becomes is will Power retiring? Will Power whose wife Liz had,
you know, well documented at this point a terrible health

(15:15):
scare and situation where she had and I'm not a doctor,
but essentially a sepsist or an infection in her and
like her spinal fluid. I'm not a doctor, but that's
as I understand it. You know that that's what has
been reported and discussed, and will Power having nothing to

(15:37):
and I realized that that probably a small percentage of
our audience are diehard IndyCar fans, and most of them
are tuning into here what we have to say about
the Colts and the Dolphins, which we will get plenty too,
including the one area for the Colts that I'm growing
concerned about, but not for the reason you think, and
we'll get into all of that. But the one thing

(15:59):
about will Power and that situation is oftentimes in sport,
I like stories that are relatable beyond just the sport itself.
And I don't think that you have to be a
fan of racing or the Indy five hundred or any
of it, or think anything beyond the fact that he's

(16:19):
got a fun name and a cool name and the
fact that his name is will Power, and you're like, gosh,
is that a made up name? No, that's really his name,
Like Billy Idol's not really Billy Idol, Right, will Power's
name really is will Power. But his story, I think
is can be appreciated by anybody. And by that, I mean,

(16:41):
here's a guy that goes into the situation that I
talked about. He grows up in Australia and a small town.
He's not from Melbourne, he's not from Sydney. He's from Toowomba, Australia,
which is like the terre hate of Australia. And nothing
against terre hate, I'm saying small, like I think they're
similar in population size, maybe a little bit different, but
in a remote area of Australia. And he comes to

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the United States to race, and in that capacity he
meets Liz Cannon was her name at the time, who
was a public relations person for Dryer and Rinbold Racing
and a girl who had grown up in Texas, gont
to high school at Hamblin Southeastern and they meet and
I think probably for a while nobody really knew they
were involved, and it's like, hey, did you hear like
Power's dating the pr girl from Drying Rainbold, they get married.

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They are this truly, you could tell from Afar, this
incredible love story of two people that like were just
became attached at the hip and inseparable and total confidence
for one another. And they have a child, and he
wins the Indy five hundred right after the right around
the time the baby's born, and you know, life's great,
Life's grand. And then will Power from a and again,

(17:52):
you don't have to be a fan of racing to
appreciate this, to know this, to relate to it. But
will Power goes through a situation at his place have
been employment where he goes from being the straw mixing
the drink to having some younger whipper snappers come in
and now all of a sudden, he's the veteran guy
and he becomes not old news, but maybe more so

(18:12):
like yesterday's headline. While these younger guys Joseph Nugarten and
Scott McLaughlin come in and they're they're winning poles and
they're winning races, and they're winning Indy five hundreds, and
Power is going through the motions the best that he
can and still winning polls. He breaks the all time
record for most polls in IndyCar history. He surpasses the

(18:35):
great Mario Andretti in that regard. And he is still
competitive in racing, but he has these mental lapses occasionally
in races where you think, like, gosh, that was that
was out of character a guy that has been so
laser focused and so good and so dominant for so long,
and that's out of character for willpower. And what we
didn't know was everything that he was dealing with away

(19:00):
in the racetrack, and what he was dealing with was
the fact that he wasn't winning with the same regularity.
He saw younger people on his team that were kind
of usurping him in terms of the resources or everything available,
you know, being the top flight drivers for the team.

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In Newgardener McLaughlin a lot of the attention media, et cetera.
But he literally is at the racetrack and then going
home and going to the hospital to see his wife
who literally is fighting for her life and they don't
know what the situation and status is going to be.

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And then he when she gets out of the hospital
and comes home, he is having to administer her medicine.
You know, with shots and taking care of her and
helping her. And you know, eventually Liz Power or thankfully
got to the point of you know, she's back at
the racetrack and et cetera. But the psychological impact, the

(20:10):
emotional impact, the attention to detail impact of all of
that taking place, and yet he is still getting in
the race car, he is still going out, and he
is asking for apology or understanding or forgiveness from no one.
He's not asking for sympathy. He's not asking he's not

(20:30):
coming out and offering excuse. He is simply going out
and getting in his car and going about and doing
what he does. But at the same time, his contract
is coming to an end at the end of this season.
And what I'm talking about with Liz had been say
two years ago and a year ago, and this year
Roger Penske's team was in jeopardy for the first time

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since nineteen ninety nine of going an entire race season
without a victory, and it was will Power that secured
that that was not going to happen, because will Power
got a win in Portland and the team hadn't gotten
a win yet this year, and they've been mired in
controversy and other such things that have been a distraction.
But will Power is the one that when they had

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the scandal of Push to Pass and will Power was
not involved in that, but Scott McLaughlin and Joseph Newgarden
were and they were penalized and Power just kind of
had to go along with it even though he was
they determined he had done nothing wrong. Then this year
at Indianapolis, you had a situation where you had the
attenuator scandal and it was Will Power's car and Joseph

(21:37):
Newgarden's car that were put to the back of the
field and Power just went out and turned his Indy
five hundred and did his thing. My point being, you
have to give a lot of credit to will Power
that he every day just got up and did his
job and he never wants And I'm somebody that is
around these guys and interviewing them pre races and on

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practice sessions and qualifying sessions and post races and all
of it. I never once heard Willpower offer anything as
an excuse. But he knew his contract was up. He
knew that there was a young promising driver that was
linked to that ride. And in the Roger Penske mold
which has always been them for the team, which is
totally understandable. When drivers get to a point where they

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reach a certain age and their younger drivers just behind them,
they oftentimes make that move and make that change. And
we found out today that Willpower's contract with Penske, now
that it is expired, will not be renewed and he
is a free agent. Will Power's time with Roger Penske
and Penske Racing has come to an end. This was

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not a secret amongst those in the racing world. He
had talked very extensively about what it meant for him
to drive for Roger Penske said it was the best
time of his life. He was very appreciative. But it
was very clear to will to anybody that will Power
was offering that that handwriting was on the wall, whether

(23:04):
that was will Power's decision to move on or the
team simply said we are going in another direction. We
may never know the answer to that. We can assume,
but we may never know the answer to that. But
that is the key domino that has fallen here, and
that does lead to domino's falling other places. And I
talked to a lot of people over the course of

(23:26):
the weekend and was told like, here's what, here's the
tea leaf says this, and then that tea leaf has
come true now with power, and there are several more
that are going to happen now and it involves, as
I'm thinking about it right now, with willpower. This now
has impact on one, two, three, maybe four drivers and

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coming up here in just about six minutes, I will
tell you who all of those drivers are. Steven Holder
joins us one o'clock today, as I mentioned, Scott Agnes
at one thirty. Zach Keifer going to join us at
two o'clock. Eddie. It is basically Christmas time for most
sports fans in this the opening week of the NFL season,
and it all actually gets under way on Thursday. The

(24:09):
hardest thing about this time of year is, for example,
I'm in a brag we call it bragging, right, So
I'm in a thing with three other buddies where we
do a confidence pool pick them each week. Yeah, it's
impossible to know who's good and who's not.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
It is we can sipopulate it, right, especially week one.
It's the hardest one to predict.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
We can guess, but yes, like there's always and this
is one of the fun things that we're gonna do today.
Oh yay. There's always a team that it is thought
is going to be really good in the National Football
League season, where then you look back by the time
we get to when the weather's turning and it's November,

(24:50):
and you go, you know what, I don't think they're
any good.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
That was the Cincinnati Bengals last year. Right, Yeah, that's
the that's a good one. Then there's another team that
you look back by the time about December rolls around
and you go, what a disaster. Two players got hurt,
they had a big fight, a coach got like in
a scandal, just everything. It has just been a year

(25:18):
to forget. That was the Colts, to be honest with
a couple of years ago, and the Jeff Saturday. Nothing
against Jeff Saturday. I'm just saying that for the reference
point when it was you know, they've got Matt Ryan
and you know this is all going to work out,
and then you just realize and before you know it,
you're going everything they're touching is going in the opposite direction.
And then there's the team that come October or November,

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you go.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Are they good. I think they might be good. They're
six and three and if they win a game or
two here they I think they might be good. And
nobody thought they were going to be nobody, I mean
nobody was talking about him. Three teams, three categories. We

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will go over each of those and try to predict
who each is going to be over the course of
today as well. But when we come back, Domino one
has fallen. And what does that mean for two, three
and four including one or two? That might be your
favorite driver in IndyCar I will let you know that.
And Steven Holder in thirty four minutes here on a
Tuesday that feels like a Monday quarrying company on the fan,

(26:29):
this is a great song, right. It's one of those
songs that even when you're like you hear it one
hundred thousand times and you're in a bar and during
the Big ten tournament and Michigan fans are there and
it comes on and they all sing it. But it's
impossible to not sing along, is it not?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
For those of you on YouTube who don't know what
song it is, it's mister bright Side of the Killers.
But yes, I agree with you. It's a great song.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Will Power looks like it's going to be joining us
on the program on Thursday. Will Power. That's right, will
Power and will Power. Now, my suspicion is that he
will already be announced on Thursday for the following Colton Herda.

(27:23):
If you walk along the nickel Plate trail, which is
very cool, not unlike the monon. Now they're taking all
of these old railroad trails and they're turning them into
hiking and biking trails, and there is it's been there
for a while, I guess, but we just did it
not too long ago. From Carmel or excuse me, from

(27:43):
downtown Fishers and then south down to ninety sixth Street
the nickel Plate. And if you walk along that nickel
Plate the old State Fair train line. As you're walking along,
you see this huge complex to your right and the
fence that says future home of the Cadillac F one team.
And that Cadillac F one team is part of Andretti Global,

(28:04):
and there has long been speculation that the ultimate prize,
the ultimate vision for Colton HRDA is that he will
end up driving for that team or try to get
his way into Formula One, but to drive in Formula one,

(28:24):
you have to have what's called a super license, and
a super license is essentially the motorsport driver's license that
Formula one requires you to have in order to get
admission into Formula one, and right now there is not
like this reciprocity. If you will where driving an IndyCar
or a number of IndyCar races, events, championships, wins, whatever

(28:47):
it might be, qualifies you for a super license. There
are certain series that you have to have in order
to get that super license, and Colton Herda, in his
aspirations to get to Formula one and presumably to ultimately
drive for the Cadillac Handready Global team within Formula one,
would need his super license and that could come if

(29:08):
he were to drive in F two, which is essentially
the Triple A of Formula one. And it looks as
though it is a foregone conclusion that Colton Hurda is
going to leave Indy Car to go drive in F
two in order to get that super license. It's a
big risk, but one that if he in particular fields

(29:29):
that it solidly gets him an F one opportunity that
he would pursue. And I believe that is going to
happen by all account from people, and this may be
out there now officially. By now, I don't know, because
when we came on an hour ago, it had not
yet been publicly confirmed. But I talked to at least

(29:49):
two different people, if not, I'm trying to think of three,
but two off the top of my head for certain
in Nashville that would know. And then I've known a
long time that have said to me, yeah, I mean, look,
where there is smoke, there's fire. And this is a
rumor that had been out there forever that Colton hurda
was going to That.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Makes sense because I don't know if you pay attention
to f one at all, Jake, just because I know
you're so involved with Indy Car that sometimes it's hard
for you to pay attention. But Cadillac announced two pretty
much veteran drivers as drivers for next year in val
Thyi Botas, who's you know. He's certainly an older driver,
which would make sense, and a possible guy that you know,

(30:31):
Colton hurd could replace once he has that super license.
And then Sergio Cheko Perez is the other driver for
Cadillac next year.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
In Formula one. Yeah, so all indication is that Colton
Hurda gets piped into that pipeline. Okay, that would mean
that his job at Andreddi Global driving car number twenty six,
the Gamebridge machine, that that seat would be available. I

(31:00):
would be stunned. If that's not Willpower, that is going
to be Willpower. If will Power so choose us to
stay in the series, then that is his opportunity. That
is his ride. That seat is there for Willpower, and
Willpower will be driving that number twenty six car. Now
then we start getting into a whole list of dominoes here,

(31:22):
So follow along. Okay, will Power was previously driving the
number twelve Verizon car for Team Penske. That ride is
going to go to David Malucas. David Malucas, who was
a young driver who his father owns a large fleet
trucking company in the Chicago area and is very, very wealthy.
One would assume that that also has business partnerships with

(31:44):
Penske Trucking, but that is not the reason. We do
see a lot of drivers that get opportunity just because
they're bringing a big check with them. That would not
be the case with David Malucas. He is a flat
out young, promising talent that big teams have had their
eye on since the time that he was signed with
McLaren at the beginning of last season. But in the

(32:05):
off season he was involved in a bicycling accident, ironically
one that his father was like, hey, come on this
biking trip, and I don't know that he wanted to go,
but he was involved in an accident where he broke
his wrist. It caused him to miss the beginning of
the season. Thus he was in breach of contract with
Errow McLaren and was released out of his contract once

(32:27):
he was available to drive. He spent last year driving
for a couple of teams and then this year was
signed with aj Foyt and was teamed with Santino Ferrucci
and did an excellent job. Aj Foyt has a technical
alliance with Team Penske, so everybody just assumed that David
Malucas was put in that car as basically a we

(32:49):
have you under contract stand by to eventually go to
Team Penske. Malucas is going to end up driving that
number twelve car. Then you say, okay, what about the
number four where David Malucas now has left. That one
becomes interesting because a driver that Roger Penske I shouldn't

(33:10):
say Roger himself, but a driver that the team Penske
umbrella has had their eye on and had interest in,
but they just haven't had the right timing. Life's about timing.
Sometimes a driver that Penske would like to continue to
keep their eye on, and they believe in this driver's talent,
and they may utilize the opportunity to extend that partnership

(33:33):
with Foyd to put a driver in that number four
car and have him there kind of again on their
own retainer for if and when things open up. Is
Rena's VK and Rena's VK who's been driving for dale
coin this year is a driver with a lot of
I think, a lot of talent, a lot of promise.

(33:53):
I think this year in particular, he showed both of
those things, and dale Coin would love to have him.
And dale Coin now has achonsorship with a guy named
Todd Alt who runs ask Roi and bitnial and a
lot of cryptocurrency things, and Todd Alt has really pushed
in a partnership with dale Coin. But ironically, with coin

(34:16):
being the keyword here, they might not have enough of
it for Renis VK because Reenus VK wants to get
paid a decent not that they're able to pay him,
but not what Renus VK might be looking for. And
Penske umbrella or a foight contract those things could perhaps
accommodate Renis VK, but Foight Racing and Larry Foyt would
probably need help financially from another team with deep pockets

(34:39):
to be able to auxhilerate or what it is that
VK would be looking for. But VK is a strong
possibility for the fore car. Then you say, if VK
were to do that, what happens then with that car
at dale Coin that could very possibly be any number
of different drivers. Ah Connor Daly is also in play

(35:03):
for that number four car if VK doesn't end up
in it, because Connor daily is able to bring money
from AMPM, who has been a good sponsor for him
with who coas Haulinger Racing, and that might allow that money,
would allow Connor to shop himself around a little bit,
and Larry Foyt may be interested in that because of
that offsets, you know, some of the funding that would

(35:25):
be necessary for putting a driver in that four car.
But if VK were to leave, then Daily could perhaps
talk to dale Coin. In addition to that, you already
there is Dennis Hauger, who is the Indie Next Champion.
He could end up driving in that car for dale
Coin if he doesn't end up in a part time

(35:47):
role with Andretti Global, should they so choose to move
on from Marcus Erickson who is still under contract, and
those close to Ericson and close to the team will
tell you that Ericson's going nowhere, but there are rumblings
that he could be out, and if he is, Dennis
Hauger could end up in that particular seat. So things
get a little bit dicey there when you start talking

(36:09):
about it. Then the final curveball on all of it
is Prema Racing, who had Robert Schwartzman, who won the
pole this year for the Indy five hundred. Robert Schwartzman
and Prema Racing. Prema spent a ton of money to
get into IndyCar, but they are not part of the
established teams that get financial kickback from being in the series,
So they may merge with Hunkas Hollinger and become Premahukos

(36:31):
Hollinger Racing and if they do that, they would bring
one car, presumably for Robert Schwartzman over to join that team,
and that could be the car that if Daily leaves,
they just become a two car team with Stingray, Rob
and Robert Schwartzman and Prema and hunkas Hollinger combined their
resources and forces together as a two car team. That

(36:53):
right now with the silly season, is where everything stands
a lot of moving parts, a lot of fluidity too.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
That.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
But I am very, very very confident on the part
of Power ending up at Andretti herd At ending up
at F two, Malucas ending up in Power's old ride,
and I'm forty percent confident that VK could end up
in that four car. But that's where finances have to
come into play, and that then becomes the domino that

(37:21):
has ripple effect. Beyond that, I.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Do have a question in regards to all of that. Okay, So, currently,
so Vik has it declined the option with dale Coin
Racing he is a free agent. Yes, dale Coin Honda
or Chevy Engine.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Dale Coin is a Honda.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Okay, So I was asking that because you laid out
the possibility of Power going from a Chevy engine manufactured
team at Team BENSK to a Honda manufacturer team and
Andretti Global. Is that going to become more common because
I feel like we've seen a lot more of those
drivers switch manufacturers the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Great question, and a lot of times, Eddie, that is
related to if it is a driver who got their
start and were financially backed through the course of their
ranking by an engine manufacturer. Rossi, for example, was almost
exclusively a Honda guy forever. He's now in a Chevrolet.
So he got to the point where he was like, look,

(38:18):
I was loyal to them forever, and now I have
an opportunity to a new team, and so they just
simply parted ways. Sodo is very connected to Honda, for example,
but I don't believe that power. I don't believe any
of the drivers that I just mentioned have any sort
of direct conflict of interest by going from one engine
to the next. Now, the other curveball in all of this,

(38:39):
the other curveball in all of this is there are
rumblings I have not spoken to this guy specifically about this.
I like this guy a great deal, and I've had
a ton of conversation with him There are rumblings that
Joseph Nugarden may want to move on from Team Penske,
and that would change virtually everything. But I don't think

(39:00):
it's going to happen in this offseason, as in move
on from like to a team and stuff to another
team or retire to another team, okay, to another team
and he would stay within Chevy. Do you think that's
in the car through Power to potentially retire. I don't
think it can be ruled out because of his age
and because of his family situation, but I think he
would like to return, and I think he's gonna end
up with and hurt his car. But yeah, if her

(39:22):
Toa ends up staying put, then that probably changes things
for Power and then maybe he just goes into one
off situations. But I think he's going to end up
next year full time, and I think it's gonna be
with andready. But again, good good question because if Hurda
now is the Domino also but I am fully expecting
that we hear that Hurda is going to Formula two.
And then in.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Conclusion, here are there any drivers that you can see
that we're out of the series making return back?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Okay, another great question. Roman grows on would absolutely be
one of them that's trying to bring money. He could
end up in say that that premise situation if they
end up wanting or needing another car or Schwartzman moves.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
On because he's had time with Hukas Hollinger, right, so
if they do merge, I mean there's that relationship.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Rojan Roman Grojean is one that I could see getting
back in the series, and he would like to do so.
And Catherine leg is one that I could see at
least on a limited basis, being back in as well.
We come back to the three teams in the NFL,
which one's going to surprise us, which one is surprisingly
not going to be good at all, and which one's
year is going to be a disaster. We'll get into that,

(40:26):
and Holder joins us in fifteen. There is an area
for the Colts that gives me concern, gives me pause.
I'll get into that with Steven Holder when he joins
us here coming up top of the hour. Before then, Eddie,
let's get into this for the National Football League, I
mentioned it. There are seemingly every year there are three teams.

(40:51):
I mean, there could be more, but there are three categories.
For the most part, we have a pretty good idea.
I think you knew last year going into the season
that Kansas City was going to be really good. You
knew going into the season that Buffalo was going to
be really good. Yeah, you knew that Philadelphia was going

(41:12):
to be an upper echelon team.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
And I can't recall who did Philly beat in the
NFC title game. That would be the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
They were a bit of a surprise, right because James Daniels,
you know, you weren't certainly sure what he was going
to do. So Washington might fit into this one of
these categories. And you can always text us, by the way,
at two three nine ten seventy. You can text me personally,
which most people have my number, but if you want
to text the show, the show text line is two

(41:41):
three nine one zero seven zero. That's two nine, ten seventy.
And and participate as well with these three groups. Group
number one, Eddie, Okay, where we're going. This year's Washington Commanders,
this year's team that you don't hear a lot of

(42:02):
talk about. There's no reason to necessarily pencil them as
a pencil them in as a playoff team. But is
there is there a team that you look at and go,
you know what, these guys are going to be. These

(42:25):
guys are going to be better than people think and
come Halloween time you're going to be saying, wait a minute,
are they good?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
So, whenever I do this exercise with you, Jake, there's
two things I always think about.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
One, what does the schedule look like for said team? Two?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
What division do they play in? And that is where
and how I landed on the New England Patriots. They
have a very, very very favorable schedule. It's one of
the easiest schedules in all the NFL. Drake May entering
year two. You bring in a coach that a lot
of people wanted, and now you add some pieces around

(43:02):
Drake may offensively, maybe Mike Rabel can get that team
playing well defensively, and Drake may play solid enough in
year number two after playing really well down the stretch
in the New England Patriots are one of those teams
that you see on the CBS or the Fox or
the NBC or the prime videographic toward the end of

(43:23):
the year playoff picture on the bubble. New England Patriots okay.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
And by the way, their old coach last night had
a rough go oh yes, I was so hoping that
TCU last night would get a touchdown and then another
one in a two point conversion, so that at the
end of the game you could say that the point
differential was forty nine the age difference between That's right
Belichick and his girlfriend. Yeah, okay, my team. I've mentioned

(43:49):
this before. I think the Raiders are going to be
better than people think. See, my only hold up with
them was the division. That's fair, But I like Pete
Carroll and you know, maybe I'm going off of like
ten year ago Pete Carroll, right, but I think Geno
Smith is decent. Seemingly they've they've made a one would

(44:09):
think they've had like good draft picks. I mean, they've
had enough high draft picks. But I'm gonna say the Raiders.
I just have this feeling about the Raiders. Now, the
Raiders to watch. They're going to go four and thirteen.
But I'll say the Raiders of the team that like
in late October were like, you know what, are they good? Okay? Now,
of the teams that there is much expected, give me

(44:29):
the one that by October November, we're going to go.
I don't think it's going to take off for them.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Here.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
The Dallas Cowboys, well, is anybody really expecting them to
be good?

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Though?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Well, they're the.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Dallas Cowboys, Jake. They everyone always thinks they're They're.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Take Dallas off the board because Dallas' entire moo is
being underachieving. I don't disagree with you, but let's take
doubt because that's such an easy answer.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
What about the Houston Texans? Okay, fair, fair? Because I
think a lot of people look at Houston and say
they're going to win the division? Right.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I think anyone you ask you, they're like, oh, yeah,
it's Houston's division.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Is it? I mean? CJ.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Stroud has a new offensive coordinator, he's got three new
wide receivers outside of Nicle Collins who can't stay healthy.
Joe Mixon's hurt. You bring in a Nick Chubb who
looked awful last year. They have major concerns at the
offensive line level. Their defense was good, but can it
be great to get them to wins? Like, there's a
lot of question marks around Houston that people don't think about.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, fair, Houston's a good call, is it? Too easy
because I'm springboarding two back, I'm only going off of
one year, and maybe this is actually more who they
are for me to say Washington. I don't think that's
the rown possibility, but I think Jane Dennel's is that dude.
So he is really good. He is very good, there's

(45:56):
no doubt, and I like him and I like that team.
But as I think, okay, how about this, Now you
ready to really think I'm crazy. I always think you're crazy.
But yeah, Philadelphia. Oh, now, I'm gonna say Philly for

(46:16):
my last category, so I'll say Washington. I'm gonna go
double dip on the NFC Easter, I'll say Washington for
that group. Now, how about this one? Okay, okay, the
team that seemingly has everything there, but just everything goes awry,

(46:37):
a couple of key guys get hurt, there's question about
the coach, or there's some sort of a controversy internally
of rumors that people not getting along, et cetera. And
before you know it, you're like, this is just a
year spun out of control that will someday be a
thirty for thirty, but it just didn't gonna happen for
him this year, I think we all know who this

(46:58):
team is. I'm saying the Philadelphia Eagles out the Pittsburgh Steelers. Boy,
that's a that's a really good call because they've got
the human turmoil.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Right Yeah, they got Aaron Rodgers and you got the
whole non losing seasons where Mike Tomlin is that in Jeopardy.
You add DK Metcalf into that equation and it's like
a mad scientist. That's I've always thought Belichick was the

(47:29):
mad scientist.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Right Yeah, Hey Jake, how about the Detroit Lions back
down to Earth? They lost both coordinators? Also interesting? Greg
Pully says Bengals. Does he mean that he thinks the
Bengals are going to take a big step forward or
they're going to take a big step back because they
had they had a rough year last year.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Right, They did have a very rough year, and I
think their defense might be even worse this year, which
is saying something.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I just you know, the Lions is interesting because I
do like their head coach, but when you lose coordinators
like that, it is tough. There's no doubt. We could
ask Holder his thoughts. What do you think I'm gonna
ask Holder? For each of those three. Do you think

(48:19):
he will duplicate any of our answers?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Oh, that's a good question. Oh, I think he'll duplicate one.
I don't know which one, but I think he'll do.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
You think he'll duplicate. So I'm gonna go, so my three,
my final three answers. Here year that just seems to
nothing goes right. I'm gonna go Eagles, team that takes
a step back and just kind of surprises you in
doing so. I'll say Washington and team that has a
better year than anticipated. I will say Raiders. And you

(48:46):
are saying, in that order, the team that has the
disastrous year, You're saying Pittsburgh, the team that takes the unaccepted,
unexpected step back, you said Houston, And team that takes
a surprising step forward. You're saying New England, Right, yes,
all right. Stephen Holder writes for ESPN joins us next
on a Tuesday that feels like a Monday, we are

(49:07):
that much closer to the Colts season getting underway, the
Miami Dolphins coming to Lucas Oil Stadium. That game, of course,
you can hear on this radio station coming up on Sunday,
A one o'clock kick from Lucas Oil. Joining us now
on the always busy and Available for your company to
sponsor guest line from ESPN dot com as Stephenholder. Stephen.

(49:29):
Before we get into the colts, I'm going to invite
you into the conversation that Eddie and I were just having.
And despite the fact you're in your car, I'm well
aware of the fact that you didn't hear it. So
I am going to present to you three categories in
the NFL, and I want you to think for a
second and then give me your answer on each category,
and we're going to see if you match wits with

(49:50):
either Eddie or myself. Okay, Category one, I want you
to tell me, in the twenty twenty six NFL season,
give me the team that relatively off radar that you
don't hear a lot about. There's not a lot of expectation.
It's not like there are people penciling them in as
a postseason team. But around October, late October into November,

(50:14):
we're gonna go are they good? They're like six and
three and kind of haven't talked about them, but I
think they might be good. This was last year's Washington
Commanders for example, give me that team this year.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
All right, well, you confused when you said twenty six
at first, you mean this year.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I'm sorry, I always say twenty I always go with
the year that what it is at the end of
the season. My apologies. The twenty five season, Yes.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
Gotcha, this is a good question. I think there's a
chance it's the Chicago Bears. Okay, I think they're gonna
be as good as Washington. Okay, I understood.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
But a team that but a team that proves itself
far more competent, right, Okay, Okay, Now, now we're going
to go the opposite of that. Give me a team
that gets some chatter, gets a little love, is penciled
in by a lot of people as a postseason contender
that all of a sudden in late October, around Halloween,

(51:16):
we're going to go. I don't think this is going
to happen for these guys. They're just not very good.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
Okay, So this I'm going on a little bit on
the limb here. But I've been saying for a while
that I think the Dolphins window to do something big
has closed.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Okay, and they've lost a.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Lot of guys.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Anyway, I don't know if you want me to justify it,
explain it. But the Dolphins are a team that I
think are sneaky disappointment.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Okay, then the last group is the team that and
you get this every once in a while, maybe not
even I'm not saying organizationally like that it's an indictment
on them. But there are certain teams that each year
there's one team that literally just every door they try

(52:02):
to turn the doorknob on is locked, nothing works. There's
there's rumors of inner turmoil. Nobody can know what's going on.
Two key players got hurt, somebody else is holding out,
somebody else allegedly got in a fight, and it's like
and all of a sudden, before you know it, Jeff
Saturdays Air dropped in as your head coach, and your

(52:22):
practice squad quarterback is quarterbacking you, and what the hell
is going on? That team is who?

Speaker 5 (52:28):
I mean, I gotta believe you just described like the
last twenty years of the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Okay, sorry, I actually I actually told Eddie Dallas has
to be off the board for this because literally it's
like that they are the obviously it'swer right.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
Well, I'll tell you what though, one team. I gotta say,
one team that I don't know what the hell they're
doing and where they're going is New Orleans. There are
certainly a rebuilding team, so no one expects them to
be good. But their head coach hired. He was like, huh.
And then the quarterback choices also huh. I mean looks

(53:07):
as they're starting at quarterback. Spencer Ratler won the quarterback battle.
Spencer Ratler's good. You know, so I don't know what
are you hanging your hat on if you're in New
Orleans is what I'd say.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Okay, fair, I had let's see for my surprisingly good,
I went with the Raiders. For the team that I
think may fall short of expectation, I went with the Commanders.
And for I just feel like there could be disaster
and turmoil and inter fighting, et cetera, I went with

(53:39):
the Philadelphia Eagles. Man Eddie went with surprisingly good. He
said the who did you say? For that one?

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Eddie?

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I said the New England Patriot England Patriots, Surprisingly disappointing,
he said the Houston Texans. And for turmoil, Eddie might
have won this one automatically because he said the Pittsburgh Steelers.
And when you have the Aaron Rodgers effect. That seems
to be a very all right.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Why didn't I think of that? Right exactly, No, that's
a great call. I actually, who was the surprisingly bad.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Team for me? I said, the Washington Commanders. Eddie said,
the Houston Texans.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
Okay, so that's an interesting one, because I think the
Texans were surprisingly bad last year. Frankly, they just happened
to be in the same division as the Colts, who
couldn't take advantage of it. So it worked out well
for him. But they were not a good team last year.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Okay, Steven, let's shift to the Colts. Let me tell
you the one area that as I was looking over
things for me, became a little bit of a concern.
And I'll tell you why. I like the experience they
have at corner. And I will give Chris Ballard credit
because when we were all jumping up and down saying

(54:51):
they didn't address corner, he said, look, let me just
see these guys play and find out where they are.
Now that we've done that, I think they have good players.
But Jalen Ownes has hurt Juju Brents. Obviously they couldn't
wait any longer for him. To get healthy and he's
now in Miami. My area of concern is this, and
then you tell me how off base it is. I
think they have good players at corner, but they have

(55:12):
two guys that are in rotation at corner that weren't
even on the roster at the time that they all
got together originally in Grand Park, and I think that
it might be a little late to all of a
sudden expect them to kind of gel together as a
unit even though you're playing on opposite sides of the football,
and that, to me, the defensive backfield again feels like
it could be an achilles for this team. Your thoughts, Well,

(55:37):
it's funny, you know.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
We just got done talking to defensive coordinator lou Anarumo
and there were a few questions, I would say, including
from me about Xavier and Howard. He By the way,
if you look at today's depth chart that they put
out for week one, it's a projected depth chart. It's
not the coaches, but it's the organization's public depth chart.

(55:59):
Xavier Award is still number one at one of the
cornerback spots, along with a Shavari Award and Kenny Moore.
The second in the slot, And I'm sorry, but that's
a lot for me to digest when I think two
weeks ago this guy was doing the same thing as
me over the weekend, sitting on his couch.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Right.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
So look, he has he's a proven player and a
highly successful player if you look at his resume. But
I think it's a lot to assume that a guy
sitting on his couch all last year, okay, no one
signed him last year is going to come in in
August and be your starting corner.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
And we even.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Asked lou An Rumo, are you serious or is this
guy really capable of coming in, walking off the street
and playing starters reps. He didn't say yes or no,
but he certainly didn't didn't get the indication that he
has any doubts about him. So there is a real
sense of reliance from an ARUMO about how in particular.

(57:01):
And I'm curious to see how this plays out because
they're going to get a hell of a test week
one with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle of the Miami Dolphins,
so they're not They're not going to be able to
ease into this at all.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I'm going to give you a name, Steven I want
you to tell me how they how this player is
relevant to this year's Colts team. Are you ready? I'm
putting you on the spot. I realize Terrell Prior, Oh, I.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Think I know where you're going with this.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Uh was he not the quarterback of the last team
the Colts a week one week one game?

Speaker 1 (57:39):
That is correct? He was the last opposing quarterback in
a Colts season opening victory. It's been that long now.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
That was two thousand and thirteen.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I believe, yes, it's been well. And here's the thing.
They have not lost eleven straight years because there was
a tie in there, but not one and eleven straight years.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
In a way, here's well, here's what's so crazy about that.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
If that was thirteen, which I think it was, that
was my first regular season Colts game as a reporter
in this market. Okay, I got here and my daughter
was in preschool, she even eleventh grade.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Now, like, if that's put it into perspective.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
It does, right, I mean continue, Okay, in certain years
you can get off to maybe even ah. You know,
there's obviously all those statistics that come out about what
your odds are of the postseason after an oh and
two start, zero and three, et cetera. When you look
at the Colt schedule, because you are to me and
you tell me if I'm overthinking this, I know that

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if you go into any NFL locker room, they always
have the schedule up on the wall for the players
and they break it down into quarters. Just got to
go two and one in this quarter, three and one
in this quarter, four and oh in this quarter, whatever, right,
And they always say divisional games count double. I get it.
These feel like the opening two games when you look

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at the fact that you are starting out with Miami
and Denver at home. These are two teams that theoretically
are going to be right there in the same lane
as the Colts, trying to merge over into the left
lane of traffic in late November early December to put
themselves in position. These to me, are two games to

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open up the season that are basically divisional games because
they are wildcard contending teams, two teams that are going
to be right there. Miami Buffalo should win that division.
Denver Kansas City should win that division, but they are
going to be fighting tooth the nail for a wild card,

(59:43):
and the Colts would like to be in that same situation,
is their over emphasis on these two opening games versus
other seasons.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
I don't know that there's over emphasis from the organization,
but I don't think you're you're description is wrong at all.
I think let me just look at last year. Who
were the Colts fighting for late in the season, particularly
in the head to head matchup late in the season
when it came to the wildcard race. You know, when
they were still in it at least it was Denver

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a right, it was Denver. So Miami was kind of
kind of floundering, kind of trying to figure it out,
but you know, they were there at one point or
in the mix at one point. I wholeheartedly agree. There's
actually another element that you didn't mention, but you're on
the right track, and that is so AFC record, their
conference record in certain tiebreaking instances is one of the tiebreakers.

(01:00:40):
So that's something you have to bring into play as well.
So I agree with you, the wholeheartedly agree tiebreaker considerations,
wildcard standings in terms of the wild card race, no
question about it, These are gonna matter a lot. And
then obviously another AFC opponent in Week three as well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Steven Holder is our guest from ESPN dot com. All right, Stephen,
I'm gonna take the qurt. Look, we're all the quarterback
talk and conversation. We've gone over that one hundred times. Okay, right,
as a matter of fact, but I'm not going to
ask specifically about the quarterback situation. But we haven't talked
to you since this time, and so I want your

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perspective on this. I was not in the room, you know.
I was here and was listening to it when Chris
Ballard held his press conference, and I know that he
was not happy about the number of questions about the
quarterback situation to begin the press conference. I say this
only because we're all trying to get temperate, we're all

(01:01:41):
trying to get feel for where just the solidarity of
the franchise. I thought Ballard, who at times can be sarcastic,
at times, can be edgy. I thought he was overly
both in that press conference and actually came bought, came
off almost like i'll use combative for lack of better phrase.

(01:02:05):
But even though he was trying to preach confidence in
his position or whatever else may be, I thought he
came off completely the opposite of that. But I wasn't
in the room your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
So I would agree that he was more combat more
combative than usual. You know, look, there was I got
a lot of tweets from people reaction from people who
were saying, man, you know he was he was really
hard on you and James Boyd and and it may
I would just say, for the record, like he did
kind of snap at me, but I laughed at him

(01:02:40):
when he did it, because I have that kind of
relationship with Chris Pallant and to his credit, this is
probably TMI. To his credit, five minutes later, I got
a text message from and say, hey, my bad, I
just got caught up in a moment.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
So all right, fine.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
However, I would say this, I don't disagree that he
death only was standing his ground on this principle that
that that they were not in the wrong and they
have you know, handled the quarterback situation, you know, largely appropriately.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
I mean, he didn't say it in those words.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
But but that was kind of the the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
The effect of his words. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
So here's why I bring that up, because I think
that's important because now this kind of has to work
or they or he has a lot of egg on
the space. You know because he did kind of really
I think, biggest toes in, you know, the biggest heels
in a little bit there, and as if as if
the questions were maybe not appropriate, well, they're absolutely appropriate

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for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
And I told him that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
I said, look, we're asking you a lot of questions
because the fans have a lot of questions. Man, that's
how this works. And I think that is absolutely true
because all of our coverage, yours mind, all of our
coverage of the quarterback situation has been at top of
mind for everyone, and he is obviously one of the
major parties in terms of decision maker. So they were obvious.

(01:04:02):
It was obvious that he was going to get those questions.
He got tired of it and got a little exasperated,
but that's the job, man, you know, that is what
it is. Well, so I think it's fine, But no
one's Matt, I'm not mad, no one's offended or anything.
But just this big a claire like you, you kind
of dug your heels in there, and let's just hope

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he's right about Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Steven, I'm a classic overthinker. You've sat next to me
enough Pacer games to know this, right, so I want
you to tell me if I'm overthinking this. I understand
all of that, and I'm not trying to make anything.
You know, this is not neurosurgery here, right, I mean,
like nobody's going to die. I get all of that,
and I can appreciate. And I know that you have

(01:04:45):
a relationship with Chris Ballard. I mean, you know, I
know that I can appreciate that he would send you
a text afterwards saying, hey, I apologize, I got caught
up in a moment, and that's cool. Actually, I mean,
I commend him for that. But at the same time,
at the same time, if you are an NFL executive

(01:05:06):
who has paid millions of dollars to make critical decisions,
then at the very least, I would expect you to
have a better clarity of thought when pressure is on
or in the moment. Am I too harsh there?

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
I mean I think I think that he himself wishes
that he had.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
What I'm saying is if he's not if he's impulsive
over something as insane as Stephen or as innocuous as
Stephen Holder asking a repeated question in a press conference,
if he's impulsive in that moment without thinking it through
and then has retroactively looks back and says, I wish

(01:05:46):
I could have handled that differently than what's he doing
when there's a minute and a half left on the
draft clock and he's got to make a decision or
when you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Right, I will say one of the remarkable things about
Chris Ballard because his personality that I think what you
saw in that press conference and heard in that press conference,
that is Chris Ballard's Okay, that is the the big
talking South Texas you know, guy who who doesn't mince words. Right,
you are a product of where you come from, who

(01:06:17):
you were raised by all that, right that that's fine,
That's what makes us who we are.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
So that is Chris Balard. That is that That is
the Chris Ballard that we all know. I think you
know behind closed doors.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
And I don't mean like you know we're sitting there
having it out and arguing. I'm saying, like he's he's
gonna tell you what he thinks. I appreciate that, to
be honest. However, Uh, the one of the remarkable things
about him, and I don't know how he does it,
is that he does balance that somehow with an ability
to be measured and to be you know, sort of

(01:06:47):
have a cooler head and not overreact and not be
reactive or overly reactive to situations. Maybe too much so,
to be honest with you, because I think there are
a lot of Colts fans maybe wish that he made
some more aggressive moves over the years to maybe get
him out of the situation they've been in, this rut

(01:07:07):
that they've been in. But anyway, I'm probably over analyzing
it myself now, but I do think he does strike
a good balance there. But that was a very interesting
little window into how he can sometimes be yes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Again in defensive Chris Ballard, that personality that you know,
that all of it right, that that spitfire when you're winning,
it's awesome. Which better win? And if you are exactly right,
you're going into year nine and you're showing that kind

(01:07:43):
I mean, like I said, and I'm not I'm just
gonna repeat what I've said before, Steven. I've sat in
press conferences for Bill Tobin, Bill Polly, and Ryan Grigson,
Chris Ballard, Larry Bird, Donnie Walsh, Kevin Pritchard, and that
to me just showed an edge that those other guys

(01:08:06):
didn't have, and most of those guys won with more frequency.
But I don't dislike him, and I hear he's a
very good guy for what that's worth, you know what
I mean. But now, having said all that, give me
a player or players, or maybe position group not at quarterback,
not named Daniel Jones, that the Colts have a lot

(01:08:28):
riding on and that that guy. Nobody talks about it,
but it is a position that the way this team
is built and the way that they schematically want to
play a lot rides on this guy having a big
year go.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Sense of line.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
So it's not a guy, but maybe I think you
said a guy or a unit, I would say the
offensive line, And I'll tell you why, because we have
kind of rubber stamps, or maybe the fans have. I haven't,
but we've kind of rubber stamped that this group is
going to work.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
You have two new starters, you have a new group
working in tandem together.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Which is critical. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
They have to prove that they can do that. And
I thought I saw in the preseason, I saw some
moments that were of some concern, and so I want
to see how this group plays together. You know, when
they're getting blitzed, you know, with fire blitzes and and
all these different tactics that you're going to see. I

(01:09:28):
want to see what that looks like and how they
react under pressure. You know, you always hope it only
takes one week link for that thing to start breaking down.
So you've got two young guys have got to step
up to the challenge. I don't I'm not pessimistic about
them at all. Okay, I'm not. I actually think they
have a talented group.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
But you still got to prove it, Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
And the reason this matters so much is not just
because of the quarterback, which is obvious, but also because
Jonathan Taylor is at the center of everything they want
to do this year. If they don't have Jonathan Taylor,
they maybe have a different quarterback decision.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
Jonathan Taylor from people I've talked to, is really at
the core of a lot of what they want to
do this year. A lot of it is just like, well,
if everything else feels, we got Jonathan Taylor, so we
just got to be in the right play and we
got to be in the right manageable situations, not have
long balance and distance and so forth, because Taylor can
win games for us.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
And then, so I'm going to take this back to quarterback.
Have they gone with a quarterback that can be a
quote unquote game manager because they have a dynamic running
back behind them, or have they gone with a running
back there are going to make dynamic because their quarterback
is a game manager.

Speaker 5 (01:10:43):
No, I think it's the former and not the latter.
And I would expand that to say, I think this
is as much a bet on Jonathan Taylor and the
skill players, the other skill players.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
You know, the three wide.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
Receivers who each exceeded eight hundred yards last year. So
that's a group that whose sum is.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Greater than its parts.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
I would say, right, they're not individually based, they are collective,
but it's a good group collectively.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
And then obviously Tyler Warren.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
It's a bet on all of those guys, I think
far more than it's a bet on Daniel Jones, because
let's be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
I mean, they might like.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
Daniel Jones, but are you staking your season on Daniel Jones.
They're staking the season on Daniel Jones getting the best
out of those guys, as opposed to Daniel Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Winning them games.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
That's how I see it, and that's how I interpret
it based on people I've post too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Since we are talking right now on this the week
of the NFL season getting underway, and if Steven Holder
you at ESPN, prohibits you from answering this question, I
certainly understand and respect it, and I'm giving you the
opportunity to defer. Okay, but on this the second of
September twenty twenty five, I would like Steven Holder's prediction

(01:12:05):
just for the fun of it, of who the super
Bowl matchup will be and who is the super Bowl winner.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
Well, actually I made this prediction for ESPNY. I don't
think it's been published yet, but I mean we all do,
so it's not not any big deal. What did I
pick so that I am consistent? I think I went with.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Clearly, because clearly when you stand very strongly by.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
Yes, exactly, I'm taking everything on this clearly. I don't
even remember it. I believe my pick was the Chiefs
and to win it. And did you ask me also,
who is going to be in the super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Yes, they will be defeating who.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
I believe I picked. I believe it's Philadelphia, So I
think it went with a rematch. I mean, Philly's just
the most complete team. But I still think that that
Mahomes is gonna find a way. I just think, you know,
he is still the best quarterback that has improven. I mean,

(01:13:07):
they were not a great team last year, and they've
retooled that offensive line. I think they have some more
pieces around him now. I feel better about that team
this year. And I'm not saying they're the best team
right now, but over the course of the season, they
end up being one of the best, and they end
up finding ways to win games they have no business winning.
They are the best winners. Okay, that's it. They're the

(01:13:29):
best winners. And until someone else proves otherwise by showing
until they actually prove otherwise by not consistently winning, then
we can say differently. But for now, they are still
the best winners in the NFL. The Kansas City Chiefs
not popular and people are sick of it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
They're getting the Brady fatigue, the Patriots fatigue a little
bit here, but it is what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
That's what I say.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
All right, there we go, Eddie will make our picks.
I guess before the end of the day as well.
Steven appreciate the time as always. Man, we look forward
to talking to me again. All right, you got it,
all right, Steven Holder with Chiefs over the Eagles. Very original,
by the way. Here on the guest line, all right,
we come back Fever in Action. Eddie's got on his

(01:14:11):
fever shirt. He's prepped for a late night. He's gonna
get himself a Java House coffee and we're going to
talk about the fever and what's up with their injury
report and whether or not shot clocks are gonna work.
Scott Agnes next, Eddie. If you been to Phoenix, I
have not. I like Phoenix the I think I told you.

(01:14:35):
One time I was talking to Rick de Bruel, who
used to work Indy car stuff and he lives in Phoenix.
I said, hey, Rick, how hot does it get there
in the dead of summer? He said, ou one hundred
and sixteen hundred and eighteen, Like, man, how in the
world do you live with that? And he said, well,
let me ask you something. I said, okay, and he said,

(01:14:57):
how cold is it getting Indian in the dead of
winner get like a week where it'll be like, you know,
sub ten ten below something like that, And he said, Well,
here's the thing. When you have your extremes, how much
longer does it take you to go out and get
your mail? When I have my extreme, it takes me
no longer to go out and get the mail than
it does on any other day. I just do it

(01:15:17):
quicker because it's a little bit warm out. I'm like, okay,
that's fair. I can live with that. No humidity. You
go outside in the debt of summer in Phoenix and
you feel like you're room temperature. No bugs, no bugs there.
Bugs don't for whatever reason. I mean, yeah, you got
like salamanders and stuff like that, but like, well they
would fry Jake with, yeah, you're right like flat around.

(01:15:40):
You don't get like mosquitoes and gnats and like little
little there's no airborne bugs. Now, I think the scorpion's
bit of an issue, But I do like Phoenix and
if you ever go there, they got that there's some
mountain you can climb to the top of and overlook
the whole city and it's pretty easy to do. It's
pretty awesome. But that's where the fever are correct.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Yes, tonight ten o'clock nine forty five pre gamecombad right
here on the Fame with me, good boy Eddie Garrison.
So you're gonna get some Java House coffee and go
with the Chai tea. Well, I'll probably need some coffee.
I almost poured out some coffee the other night because
two hours and forty minutes for a WNBA game is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Well that was, and listen, I love to sew. I'm
a watch guy. I just by the way, I now
have a twenty third watch in my watch collection. It's
not a to sow. I do have it to sew though,
but it's a nineteen thirty eight to so. And that
apparently is what the shot clocks were. I think it
was to so that it's set up on the top
of the clock where they had some issues in the
fever WNBA game. Joining us now and I'm sure thrilled

(01:16:42):
to be doing so based on that intro from Fieldhouse
Files is Scott Agnes and Scott, let's get to this
talk about the fever and Phoenix. And by the way, Scott,
have you been to Phoenix?

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
I have several times.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Yeah, you like Phoenix.

Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
I do, But to your point earlier, it is dreadful
this time of year, very much like Vegas. In the
middle of July where it's on and ten degrees.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
That's a dry heat. But the heat is on the
Fever right now, not just because of the mercury, but
because of their situation and the postseason, which is tenuous.
And you're starting to hear that, like if you're standing
on is of things beneath their footing. Take me through
in four our listeners, where things stand for the Fever

(01:17:25):
right now of their solidarity or lack thereof in terms
of the postseason.

Speaker 6 (01:17:29):
Yeah, so it's crunch time, absolutely less, and basically the
season's over regular season in one week, and there's now
for the first time this season, thirteen teams in the
league after one expansion team, and there's eight playoff spots.
Four have already been clinched. Four players or four teams
rather have already been eliminated, Jake. So you have five
teams competing here over the final week for four spots,

(01:17:53):
the Fever right in the middle of that pack. So
they'll probably need to win at least two perhaps to
control their own destiny here. But among their final four
games here, a couple of their opponents Chicago Washington, they've
already been eliminated in their final games against Minnesota Links,
who have the top seed, and you never know will

(01:18:15):
they be in the resting and looking forward to the
postseason for their season finale in one week.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Do you think that I'll just put this point blank, Scott,
do you think we see Caitlin Clark before the end
of the year. I do.

Speaker 6 (01:18:28):
I still believe after that brief issue that happened ironically
in Phoenix a month ago when she got injured and
then we saw Sidney Coulson go down during the game
and Ery McDonald later in the game, they're back in
that Phoenix And I think we saw Chloe post a
video here today of her shoot around going through five
on OH. That show she's progressing through exactly what they

(01:18:51):
want and to this point has certainly gotten about a
half dozen walk through shoot arounds five on OH type
work in that. I think it would be set up
nicely for her to potentially return Friday, because if you
don't return this weekend, what are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
So, I think you're in a good spot leading up
to Friday against Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
The Scott Agnes is our guest from Fieldhouse Files. Scott
is there as they have had to go through so
many backcourt combinations this year the Fever because of you know,
the attrition, right, Seemingly every time they get a new
point guards, you know, something else happens. But have they
had to alter their style of play? And in addition
to that, are they being played any differently?

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
Yeah, I think the manner in which they play has
changed because they've had to simplify everything. Like you have
a Hall of Training camp, which isn't very long and
certainly not long enough for these coaches to install everything
they want months ago. And I mean the latest example
of what the Fever have gone through all season is
one of the players they signed to a hardship then
signed to the rest of the season deal, Chloe Bibby.

(01:19:55):
She's been out for two weeks now with left knee soreness.
So it's one thing out after another, and so she's
joined that injury report for the last several weeks. So
they've simplified. I think it's less playmaking and they're really
just emphasizing the most obvious things and trying to get
through games.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Finally, go ahead, Oh finish what you're saying, Scott, My bad, No,
you're good.

Speaker 6 (01:20:18):
I was just they're trying to simplify everything, because looks
they're at a place in the season right now where
this is why you did see them tweak the type
of player they went after as well. Instead of a
player who had never played in the league like they
did previously, or had a couple of years of experience,
they went and got that thirty four and thirty six
year old point guard who had ten years of experience

(01:20:38):
in the league for that specific reason to get them through.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
I know what I was going to say, and that
is By the way, did I see video of Tyrese
Haliburton shooting albeit flat footed free throws.

Speaker 6 (01:20:50):
Yeah, Tyree's posted on his Instagram on Monday, him and
his friend and assistant coach Isaac Jacob at the practice facility,
and yesterday was exactly ten weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Ten weeks since the injury. I think we just lost
Scott's connection. That's you know. I remember when I was
a kid. Scotti Shepherd, who went on to become a
really good player at Carmel and then went on to
Florida State is dat Billy Shepherd and mister basketball. He
was the first kid I ever played with the could
shoot flat footed free throws. That was a marvel, like
in fourth grade. And it's a marvel to see Tyre's

(01:21:23):
Halliburton doing it because, to your points, got ten weeks
since the injury, and you know, obviously the way he
was shooting it, he you don't jump at this age
when you're shooting free throws. But he very clearly was
just keeping the weight stable on the achilles. But to
your knowledge, from what you've heard or what the expectation was,

(01:21:43):
is this above behind schedule, you know, advanced or right
about on par.

Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
It seems to me right on schedule. He hadn't said
anything to that note. But I want to emphasize here
this is nothing a month or two months. The focus
here is on next season. They've already had that. So
the approach here is more than anything, probably mental and
getting through the rehab, which is so grinding. I mean,

(01:22:10):
it's using your foot and picking up marbles on the
feet to activate tendons and ligaments, things that are just tedious,
but little things like that. So I think he's right
on schedule. The fact that he did say he did
get out of his boot a little bit early. He's
not wearing shoes full time, but is able to wear
it in spurts, but he certainly has ditched the scooters,

(01:22:31):
so that's all possible.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Yeah, I think. And the thing is when it comes
to Halliburton, so much of injury recovery is mental and
just overcoming the fear of whether or not the body
is going to respond when you're asking it to do
something different. And you know what I mean, Scott, Like,

(01:22:54):
you just see so many players that psychologically they want
to hesitate. And I'm not saying he's at that point
at all. I mean he's not putting that sort of
physical activity on it, but each step along the way
I think is important towards eventually being able to overcome
that mental hurdle one hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (01:23:09):
Yeah, that's what you're looking for. If you're the team,
it's the little benchmarks, how are you doing mentally and
in the real test, Jake, we'll be here in a
two months or so when he's starting to miss games,
when he's starting to feel like he's not contributing, that
he has no role on the team, he can't help
out in any way. For right now, he wouldn't be
playing anyway with his teammates, playing in front of those fans,

(01:23:32):
And so to me, the great thing that he's also
had is he's been able to check in with Kevin
Durant often. He's been able to check in with Jason
Tatum often, who shares the same skills trainer, and he's
about three weeks maybe four weeks ahead of Tyree, so
he can literally tell him what's upcoming. They went through
the same doctor, so they're probably having very similar rehabs

(01:23:53):
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Small world they live in, man intertwined world for sure.
Scott agnesfield House files again Fever and tonight taking on Phoenix.
Then on Friday it is Chicago. That is a home
game seven thirty at Gamebridge field House, Washington and Minnesota
to round out the regular season. Scott appreciate it, man,
We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 6 (01:24:14):
Sounds good, thanks, Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Scott Agnes joining us on the guest line. Eddie will
have the late night What time when you get out
of here tonight, Eddie?

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Uh, twelve thirty is the projected end of postgame show time,
so twelve forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
That's kind of fun, right. I love the late night stuff, man,
I love the I love watching games on the West Coast.
It always feels like, you know, stay like when the
Pacers have late night games on a Tuesday night in
Female just like this a Tuesday night in Phoenix. I
think it's I love it it always.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
I guess it was really the first time for me
on the West Coast on what was that Friday Friday
night when they're in Los Angeles? Yeah, Friday night and
I'm doing the postgame show and it's after men.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
I like, it is it Friday? Is it Saturday?

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
How do I address this? Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
We were Friday nights. Well, I hope the start of
your Saturday mornings fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
That's a good, good point.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Coming up today on the phone, coming up, you know, Saturday,
I'm like, what how do I phrase it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
I always get thrown off, like in the news when
they say, like, you know so and so, so and so,
you know it was you know, someone passed away or
like something happened, you know, like Tuesday morning, and then
you look at me, you know it was twelve thirty. Yeah, okay,
I mean that's Monday night, right right. We come back.
Big news, Boiler up, Boiler up, you Purdue fans. I
got good news for you. You're gonna want to hear,

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not just that your football team won but a big
win across the parking lot as well. We'll explain next.
So some big things happening in West Lafayette for Matt
Painter's basketball program. Jacob Weber, who is I believe at now?

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How do we say this?

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
Eddie? Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
I never not how to pronounce this? La Lumier? Is
that right? I think so? Lalomire, I think it's that
might be right, La Lamire, That might be right either way.
The prep school that's up north, uh. Jacob Weber is
believed to be one of the best shooting guards or
shooting forwards. He's sixty six, so I guess you'd say

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like wing, yeah, Wing, thank you in the country. He
is nationally ranked. He's he was a three star recruit
that has improved. He must have had a good summer circuit.
But he is verbally committed now to Perdue to Matt
Painter's program. He is believed to be the best shooter
one of them in the country. He chose Perdue over

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Nebraska as well as Creighton. But I think this is
one of those situations where people say, yeah, but if
he hadn't committed, he was really starting to move up
the boards and probably was going to get bigger offers,
and Purdue already has. This is already a really good
class for Perdue, your Fletcher Lawyer replacement right there. That's

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probably right, you know. And they have other players. I mean,
bo Ogden is a kid out of Texas that is
kind of in that same mold that has already committed. Anymore.
I get a little bit hesitant when I read, you know, committed, signed,
because I mean you get all the flips and the
last minute nil push, et cetera. Luke Rdle who is

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out of Mount Vernon and he is a point guard
and thought to be Again, there's your Braden Smith era
parent right already in as well. And then I hope
I'm saying it correctly. Sinan Juan, who's a seven foot
player out of the out of Florida, is believed to
be leaning towards Purdue. So what could be a dynamite

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class for Matt Painter. And one of the things about
Purdue that I give them a ton of credit is
and I've told this story one hundred thousand times and
it's going to be one hundred thousand and one, but
I've gone up to watch Purdue practice on several occasions,

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and I have all the respect in the world for
Matt Painter and his staff. You know, we had Elliott
Bloom on the show last year during the tournament. PJ.
Thompson has has joined us before. And I know that
that every sports property talks about culture no matter where
you go. Well, you know, we got a great culture.

(01:28:30):
Everybody's got culture. It's the most overused word in sports.
That's a great locker room. I'm just proud of those guys.
Just the culture, right, and it starts at the top.
Just culture, guys. You know, everybody knows their role. Okay,
everybody says that. Everybody says it. Half the people that
say don't even know what it means. You know, some

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guys are like, our locker room's got culture. Will give
me an example, Well, last week somebody brought in an
Italian dish. Okay, that's right. And so with Purdue, I
was up there practice one day and I'm watching it
and yeah, I mean, sure, you get you know, it
look like the guys get along or whatever else, but
I'm not you know, who knows. I'm just watching a

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practice and there was a big time recruit, I mean
a big time recruit that had early on been linked
to Purdue, and this was pre INIL, but like INIL
was started INIL, was a whisper but not a reality.
And so I just asked, Hey, this guy that everybody

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and their brother wants, I mean everybody wants this player.
And I heard this player linked to Purdue early on,
and I haven't heard Purdue mentioned much anymore. And one
of the staff members said to me, oh, yeah, paint
shut that down. This is what do you mean, paint
shut that down? What does that mean? They said, well,

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we went to coach and said, hey, this guy rumor
to be going here, or you know, rumor to be
interested in going here. And eventually this guy's dad called
and said, you haven't called in a while. And so
they went to Painter and said what's the deal and
Painter said, yeah, no, he's he's a pay for play.

(01:30:17):
So what do you mean? Said, well, he's he's gonna
want payment. We're not going to do that. And until
it's legal, and it's not yet, it's going to be,
but it's not now. And secondly, guys like that that
have the handout, they're they're looking for themselves and I
don't want that. I want guys here that that buy
into the team concept. And if you look at Purdue

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and it really is amazing. I mean I realized that that,
you know, Braden Smith and Fletcher Lawyer played right away.
But I think Caleb First and Trey Kaufman wren are
a really good example of the Purdue culture because Caleb
First is a guy that came in in the same

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class as Trey Coufman Wrenn. He was mister Basketball. Kaupman
Wrenn was the runner up. They go to Purdue together.
Kaupman wren is immediately red shirted, Caleb First gets minutes
right away, and Caleb First was a really good player
and a contributor as a freshman and a big time recruit.
And Trey Kaupman Wrenn is sitting and watching and then

(01:31:25):
Zachiaed he really develops and Caleb First takes a back
seat and a secondary role. And Caleb First was totally
happy and content with taking almost a back seat of
where it was initially in his career expected he was
going to be because number one, he was there to

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put himself in position to become a doctor academically and
go on above and beyond what was happening for him
on the basketball court. But number two, they were winning
game games and winning lots of them, and winning tournament
games and getting deep in the tournament and going to
a final four and all of those things. And so
Caleb First knew that the trajectory of Caleb First was

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not as important as the trajectory of the program itself.
And Trey Kaufman wren as a freshman red shirted, a
guy that could have gone probably anywhere and gotten significant
minutes as a freshman and sat and watched Caleb First
play in front of him and then came in and
basically kind of overtook a lot of those minutes because

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Caleb First was aware, or excuse me, Trey Coppman Wrenn
was aware that the trajectory of Trey Kaufman wren was
not as important as the trajectory of the program. And
it's one thing to have, and it's difficult in today's
college athletic landscape. It is really difficult to maintain that

(01:32:59):
level of intent because it would have been easier to
just say we're just going to be like everybody else. Now.
You get a car, and you get a car, and
you get a car and if you don't play after
six months, you can transfer out. And we're going to
get this transfer kid in. And this kid didn't develop,
so well, let's spit him out and we'll go out

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and just sign a guard from Alabama and put him here.
It's very easy to do that and fall victim to it.
Or you can stay true to who you are and
know that that might limit the scope of player that
you're going to recruit, and you might be actually minimizing
the talent pool from which you're choosing. But you are

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now going into a more esoteric group of player. But
that group of player has an esoteric list of school
he's willing to play for. And so you might be
saying to yourself, we're not women in the same recruiting
sharks shark pool as Auburn and Kansas and you know,
Michigan State. I'm just throwing programs out there. I'm not

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trying to indict anybody, maybe, but the players that want
to play and want to be Caleb first and want
to be Trey Kaufman Wren and want to be Zach Edy,
and by that I mean that that know that minutes
are going to come to those who are putting in
the most time minutes are going to be going to

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those whose services best fit what we want to do
to win. You now are able to kind of almost
hand pick that level of player because that kind of
a player, with that kind of a mindset has a
smaller and more finite list of school that still caters
to that as opposed to come here and we're NBA

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Junior and Purdue, when it would have been very easy
to sell itself out and compromise itself, stood true to
who it is, and they're now seeing the reward for
it because they are option one for players that still
have that belief and that feeling of culture, and it
might not be as big a pool to choose from,

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but you're going to get the top of that list,
and that's what you're seeing. And I hope and I
certainly and I really am optimistic and impressed by what
I've seen out of Indiana and what Dereese has been
able to do with that group of players that have
come in. And yes, he had to put together a
roster late and so he did have to take transfers,

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but some of the players they're in the mix for
now from a recruiting standpoint. I think also are guys
that are going to go there because they're like I
believe in the system, the way that they play, the
fast paced, the open threes and those sorts of things,
and in produce case, it is a it's a system
that is embedded in integrity. And I think it's cool
and I think it's awesome that they got another player,

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and I hope all these guys stick true to the commitment.
Zach Keifer going to join us, and he's going to
do it next Zach Keefer from the Athletic in just
a second before we do that. Wanted to pass this along,
just saw this story come across in the last hour
or so. George Raveling, who many would remember as the

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sweatsuit wearing coach for the Iowa Hawkeyes in the mid eighties.
He had been involved in the shoe industry when he
got the Iowa job. Also was an assistant for Bob
Knight on the nineteen eighty four Olympic team, arguably the
greatest amateur team ever assembled. And George Raveling, who as
well worked security during Martin Luther King's I Have a

(01:36:43):
Dream speech and as a result, asked doctor King for
the original copy of the speech itself as King was
leaving the podium that day and held on to it
until he donated it to Villanova University. But George Raveling,
one of the great personalities in college basket ball of
the eighties and nineties, certainly passing away today at the

(01:37:04):
age of eighty eight. Zach Keith for joining us on
the program from the Athletic has and of course Zach,
as we know for many years covering of the coverage
of the Indianapolis Colts, now covering the NFL on a
wider scope league wide. It was a very interesting article
about quarterbacks in the NFL. And Zach, I'm going to
begin with one of my really bad analogies. Are you ready.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
I'm ready, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
When I was thank you, that's the bad analogy sound
or on the program that is the worst? That was
Fish right, and that the guy from Fish playing a
vacuum cleaner, Zach. When I was in high school, my
dad one day said to me, he said, Jake, you know,
if you're going to want to go to college, you're
going to have to kind of what's going on with

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you academically. And I said, Dad, don't worry like as
soon as I get to my junior year, I'm really
going to buckle down and I'm going to be a
really good student. And my dad said, but Jake, it
doesn't work that easy. You don't just flip a switch.
And I later had to learn that that is true.
What you do as a freshman and sophomore kind of
sets the tone for you academically over the course of

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your career. And in the NFL, it seems to me like,
in fact, when you have a young quarterback, you have
a brief period of time to get it right, because
you don't just all of a sudden flip a switch.
And I don't know exactly when the time period is
that you have to make that decision or when the
damage you're too far gone. But you have a fascinating

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article about all of that, right, and it really is
one of the biggest balancing acts in sports, is it not.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
Yeah, I think that's a fair analogy.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
The funny part, Jake is I talked to a lot
of former quarterbacks about this, and the range was why right,
Like Hall of famers, some of the best to ever
play the position, admitted like even they didn't think it
was going right at the early stages, right, Like I
never heard this story before. I don't know if you
did either, But Peyton Manning was six quarters into his

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NFL career. They were playing in Foxborough in week two
of his rookie season. He thrown six interceptions already, and
he's looking down the sideline at Jim Moore being like,
am I going to get benched?

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
Like? Am I?

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Am I going to sit down the rest of the day.
And he admitted that part of him wanted to be
benched because he didn't want to throw five or six interceptions.
And then, you you know, go back even further Troy
Ik then number one pick Dallas Cowboys. You know, he
famously did not win a game as a rookie. He
would walk off the field and wonder, like, what does
it take to win a game in this league? And
that's the guy that went on to win three Super Bowls,

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and like Peyton as a Hall of Famer. So even
for the all time greats, it feels like they're like
trying to wade through this abyss in the early parts
of their career. So there's no one obvious template where
you just have success right away. But another telling moment
was I mean, the best rookie quarterback we've seen in
this town was Andrew luck in twenty twelve. And I

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asked him about it, like, how was it dealing with
not just the pressure of replacing Peyton, but also like
being a rookie quarterback who starts from the minute you
get there. And he was like, it was everything you
think it was, and then you pour a lot of
gasoline on top of it. And that was a guy
who was as ready as any one of them. So
if you spin that forward to the situation the culture
and now a lot of mistakes were made and how

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they brought Anthony Richardson just the first twenty four months alone.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
You know the let's go back to this, Zach, because
you know the cults are in a unique situation. We
can get to that in the quarterbacking spot and the
fact that you have one guy that you're wondering if
it's too late, you have another one that you're hoping
that a second lease gives second opportunity. Right what quarterback
right now, when you were doing this piece, did you

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kind of learn you feel from a league standpoint, is
most right now delicately walking that tightrope of figuring out
which which guy he's going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
I think he plays in Chicago. I think it's Caleb Williams.
I know it's too early, he's only played one season,
but some of the quotes from Peyton Manning were very telling. Peyton,
as everybody knows that's listening to the show right now,
is a fan of quarterbacks, right he is quarterback allegiant,
and he hates what's happening to young quarterbacks in the NFL.

(01:41:21):
And he brought up Williams, and he brought up Bryce
Young as well. But what he said was, look, everybody
says they have a plan. All these gms and these
teams and these owners, they get up there and they say,
we're going to be patient, We're going to play it
slow with this guy. He's going to be our guy
for a long time. And they don't practice it right.
They buckle under pressure, they make changes, they fire coaches,

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they fire coordinators. And Peyton pointed out that both of
these number one picks the last two years are on
their third head coach including interims and third play caller,
and Caleb's in year two. So this is just malpractice
in terms of what Peyton sees and look I mean,
part of it is the way we analyze these guys.
And Aikman made this point. He said, look, I was

(01:42:03):
in Dallas. I was terrible as a rookie, but I
wasn't on the talk shows every day. I wasn't getting
destroyed in ESPN every day. And I mean Caleb Williams,
he misses a throwing net in August, in the first
week of training camp, and it's like, all of a sudden,
a nine second video clip on Twitter is is a
litmus test for the rest of his season. So you know,

(01:42:25):
context is missing, Jake Nuance is missing. But the thing is,
you know, Peyton gets really angry about the way these
quarterbacks are treated. He you know, he played for the
same offensive coordingtor the first nine or ten years of
his career. That's rare. But he said, look, if you're
a team and you don't think you have the right coach,
don't draft the quarterback. But then he added, they always

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always always draft the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Okay, let me give you a couple of quarterbacks, Zach,
and I want you to tell me whether or not
you think we know who they are or we're still learning.

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
Okay, all right, Tua, Well, I think we know who
he is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
Okay. You mentioned Caleb Williams. That's a good rue, Okay,
And here's a good one because it's a young player
who right out of the womb was outstanding. But there's
also that tendency to kind of buy into fools gold.
I'm not saying that this player is that, but but

(01:43:25):
I'm going to give you a couple of young players.
You tell me if there's a chance of regression. Jadeen Daniels,
I have a.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
Big story coming at him later this week, and I
think he's for real because of his makeup, his mental makeup.
He doesn't fall for the trappings that a lot of
these young quarterbacks have fallen for. And I think they're
doing everything right in that organization, which is saying something
because that organization did everything wrong for about twenty five
years before he got there. So I'm buying Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Okay, Justin Fields, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
See it now again. You know he played for the
and the Bears. If they miss on Kayleb Williams, that's
three misses on first round quarterbacks in the last decade alone,
not to mention the fact that they haven't had a
real one a real franchise quarterback since World War Two.
I think he'll be fine with the Jets this year,
but he's never really been set up for success as well.

Speaker 7 (01:44:18):
Bow Knicks, who's his coach.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
I mean, what looks like finding the lottery ticket if
you're a young quarterback, if you're going to play for
as Sean Payton or Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan. I
think Boex is for real because he's in the right
infrastructure in Denver to continue to grow.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Okay, let me give you two more here and then
I want to talk esoterically about Indianapolis with it. But
justin Herbert, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
He's just only going to get better. I mean, do
you know the weapons he had last year? It was
it was an offensive line in a run game. And
then like lad Ma Conkley. So I think he's for real.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
Okay, Trevor Lawrence, that one.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
Gives me pause. I think he's made of the right stuff.
But remember he was thrown into maybe the worst situation
any quarterbacks faced as a rookie with Urban Meyer. His
rookie year, he came out it with Doug Peterson, he
got hurt, he leveled off. It's going to be really
fascinating because I still do not trust that organization. And
this is another thing that Troykman brought up. He said,
we're looking for all the great young quarterbacks. Everyone's asking

(01:45:22):
where are these great young quarterbacks? Aikman's question is where
are the great young quarterback coaches? Because there's certainly some,
there's certainly some. Ben Johnson is the new one, right,
that's got the head job. But you got to wonder,
like some of these coaches, they just absolutely mismanaged quarterbacks
young earlier in their career.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
See I you tell me Trevor LAWRENCEID I mentioned only
because it's AFC South, right, and you know he still
is young enough, and that Jacksonville team around him, if
they put pieces there, I thought coming out, and I
realized this now is not probably going to be fruition. Zach, Zach,
keep for our guests from the athletic. I thought coming out,
Trevor Lawrence was the closest I'd seen to Peyton Manning size, touch,

(01:46:05):
understanding all of it right. But I also look at
it and I go he was thrown to some guys
at Clemson that were all had separation, and so it
was easier to get it within window. And so I
guess my question is, was I looking at that through
Clemson colored glasses?

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
I don't think so, Jake, because I remember watching that
game against LSU right maybe the best college football team
in the past twenty years, the LSU Tigers with Joe Burrow.
Those guys weren't open in that game, and he was
still finding ways to get that ball in there. I mean,
that was some of the best college quarterbacking between Burrow
and Trevor Lawrence that I've ever seen. So I don't
think you were looking at it as a Clemson fan.

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He was every bit what everyone thought he was. But
this is the other part of it. This is why
I wrote the entire story. Teams play a role in this.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
They just do.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
You can have Trevor Lawrence, you can have Andrew Luck.
If you don't have the infrastructure in place, even the
great ones are going to struggle. You see Trevor Lawrence
right now kind of in this abyss of whether we
don't know if he's good or not, if he's a
leader or not, or if he's one of the best in
the league or not.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
I thought Zach Keefer is our guest from the athletic,
and you're writing about quarterbacks, and you know the making
and breaking of quarterbacks and more specifically, how the NFL
just chews up and spits out quarterbacks. So let's go
now to Indianapolis. Is the ice cream truck coming past that?

Speaker 7 (01:47:27):
It's my win time?

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
But really, tell my kids if they hear that, you're
gonna hear my kids on the other side, if it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Was the ice cream truck, what would you get?

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
I don't know, man, but I know they would be
getting something, that's for sure. They're off school today. I
don't know why Labor Day is over. Let's get back
to school.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
It's a Tuesday. It feels like a Monday. Okay, Anthony Richardson,
is this still Do you believe that Indianapolis still thinks
there's something there? Or are they giving window dressing to
write out the year and then figure out what they're
going to do with him?

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
You know, I don't think it's window dressing. I honestly
believe what Chris Ballad has told me. I had a
long conversation with him this summer about this very topic,
for this very story, and I pushed back a little bit,
and he said, even if he doesn't win the starting
quarterback competition this summer. We're not giving up on him
and we believe in him. So I think they've just
done a hard reset here, right. They rushed him in
too fast. They've admitted that he didn't hold up his

(01:48:23):
end of the bargain, which is another part of this. Right,
he didn't prepare like you should have last year, And
a big part of this that's getting missed, I think
is he played well as a rookie. If you remember this,
he played well those first four games. They signed Jonathan
Taylor because they think they have the quarterback things figured out,
and then Richardson gets hurt for the year, and what

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does that mean. He's out of the building. And when
he's out of the building, he doesn't get to see
what a quarterback needs to do. Every day. I mean
every day. I don't mean every week. I mean every
day to get ready for Sunday. He comes back, he's
handed the job, he doesn't have to earn it, and
his preparation slips.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
Three weeks in.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
Coach has noticed, he makes notice, etc. He's benched for
lack of preparation. He taps out, I'm tired all that
you need to build those daily habits, and he just
didn't do that. So I think the Colts, as unpopular
as this sounds, I think they realize that they screwed
this up. And this kid is still twenty three years old.
He's only twenty three. He's like younger than some of
the rookies that are starting this year, so there's no

(01:49:23):
real rush. And maybe it's a little bit abnormal to
wait on the fifth year option and all that that
comes next year. But I think the Colts honestly believe
the best thing for Anthony Richardson right now is to
sit and watch for a year and then see if
he can reach his potential after that. That's my opinion.
But from everyone I've talked to the last couple of months,

(01:49:44):
that's where I think the Colts came down. As much
as they've screwed this up to this point, they're not
willing to screw it up further by making it worse.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Well, I guess the question becomes, Zach, is it possible
that they have screwed this up to the point of
no return even if they want to resurrect it. Is
it possible that the damage has already been done in
the fact that they you know. I go back to
Chris Ballard saying Anthony Richardson has come miles from when
he got here, and I say to myself, well, that's great,

(01:50:13):
but that means that he was miles ago a guy
that won the starting job, and now miles later is
losing it to Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
Yeah, it doesn't track right. It doesn't add up right.
They can't go back and change. And this is a
conversation I had recently, is like Chris knew that this
guy was going to take time. Like he I've talked
to him for years about quarterbacks, and he would be like,
you don't just draft one, you have to have a
plane in place once they get here. And then we're
still in this place where they talked about patients and

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preached it and preached it. And then he gets here
and they have a sham of a quarterback competition and
they give him the job. So like all they did
was talk about it, and they they didn't walk it,
they didn't back it up. So at this point, I
don't think it's too far gone. I don't think he's
too far gone. What you're talking about, essentially are scars, right,
That's what Bruce arians call them. These guys play too early,

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they develop bad habits, they're not brought up the right
way in the league. And Alex Smith talked about this.
His couple of years in San Francisco were a disaster
and he would watch film alone right because he was
just it was just disaster. And I don't think it's
too late for Anthony Richardson. He's still young. This team
still believes in him. And as I mentioned in the story,
like there are guys that go and resurrect their career

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and play really well. I still think it's in them
Sam Darnold, Baker, Mayfield, Gino Smith. Now for those guys,
they had to go somewhere else and do it. The
Colts still believe it can happen for Richardson here That
would go against pretty much everything we know about the NFL.
But again, these things are possible, and they're just taking
the slow approach. And I think I don't think they're

(01:51:46):
they're closing the book on him yet.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
Do you think Zach Zach Keeper is our guest from
the Athletic. Do you think that Daniel Jones is the
starting quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts right now? Because more
so of what the Colts believe. Even Daniel Jones are
more so because of what they believe. Still they're trying
to get out of Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
That's a good question, Jake to answer it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
I think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
I think. And then Matt Hasselbeck made this point in
my story Times when you have one thing and that
doesn't work, you overcompensate and go towards the other thing. Right, So,
in a lot of ways, these guys are the opposite quarterback.
I know they're both athletic, but Jones is going to
give you the consistency that down to down third and
short as opposed to third and fifty and that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
I think Daniel Jones is the starter because he doesn't
make the mistakes that Anthony Richardson does. I think at
the end of the day, Shane Stycken just wanted a
guy who's going to run his offense. Who's just going
to run his offense. I think that was what they
were going for, and he can live without the splash place.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
You know, Bruce Arian said this in the story, and
he was not talking about the Colts. He said, when
I'm looking at a quarterback, I want accuracy over arms strength,
and I literally just want a guy who's going to
do the stuff we design. Like that's a super Bowl
winning coach who's been really good with a bunch of quarterbacks,
Brady Manning, Luck, Roethlisberger, all those guys. You know what
he's talking about. And he simplified it to that extent

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he said, I just want a guy who will do
the stuff we design. I think more often than not,
coaches believe that about themselves, that they can get this
done if the quarterback just runs their system. And I
think that's what they see Daniel Jones doing this year.
It worked pretty well the first year with Gardner Minshew.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
Zach.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
One of the things I mentioned earlier, Jonathan Taylor is
such a good running back, and I think we lose
sight of that because it's an NFL now that unless
you have a running back that you're utilizing one hundred
different ways in space, you know, Saquon Barklay type stuff.
Just the offense of relying on your running back seems antiquated.

(01:53:54):
But I think the cults are going to do that
this year. Now. Do you believe that they have Dan
Daniel Jones as a game managing quarterback in there because
they are going to rely so heavily on Jonathan Taylor
and maybe Tyler Warren. Or are they going to be
reliant on Jonathan Taylor and Tyler Warren because they have
a guy in Daniel Jones that limits what they can do.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
A little bit of both. Probably the first, right, Like
I think you're going to see I think you're going
to see the twenty twenty three Colts with Gardner Minshew
on your center. He could make a couple of throws
a game. He's gonna throw a twenty twenty five times
a game. They're not going to take the top off
the defenses. They're going to lean heavily on twenty eight
and the thing that no one's talking about. And maybe

(01:54:39):
I'm wrong here, but I think this is a pretty
good offense outside of the quarterback, really good running back.
Tyler Warren is a baller. I think he's going to
be an a tight end from like the very beginning.
I think they have a pretty good receiving core. And
that's even if ad Mitchell doesn't step up, and he might,
because he might get some separation because he's maybe the
most talented of the group. Pierce has proven it. Pittman

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can do it. You know, downs is great underneath, like
they if the line in those spots that they had
to replace, if the line is solid, the running back
to tight end, the wide receiver room. I really like
this offense, and I just feel like the quarterback can
be a complimentary piece. And I feel like with Richardson
there was more variation and they just I mean, honestly,

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it comes down to third downs, Like who do you
trust more on a third down? I think they trust
that Daniel Jones Moore on third downs and I feel
like Steken will never say that, but that's just kind
of where I feel, and you know, that's kind of
the way they decided how to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
Okay, Zach, last thing here in this piece that you
wrote for The Athletic about the NFL and just how
it can break quarterbacks and you know, and some of
those that escape the early trauma are special for sure.
Throughout your research in this in talking to quarterbacks, give
me the former quarterback that you talk to that it

(01:55:56):
most illuminated to you, and you most like had kind
of an app to the fact respect of like, wow,
that guy really knows his stuff. And that was a
great conversation and then give me the current quarterback that
it most illuminated to you. What we see out of
them career wise to this point doesn't tell the whole story,

(01:56:17):
and they deserve better benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
That's really good. I learned a lot there in the story.
The one that jumped out the most was Alex Smith, right,
And some people might know his story, but you probably
don't know how dark it was. I mean, seven coordinators.
His first seven seasons in San Francisco, he had to
yell at the sideline and ask the coaches if he
could get into shotgun as a rookie, Like, think about
how ridiculous that is. They wouldn't let him run the

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ball at all, despite the fact that he was a
really good rushing quarterback at Utah And Jim Harball gets
there seven years in and says, why don't you run it?
And Alex Smith says, because I've never been allowed to.
He would watch film alone. He would hate home games
because he knew he was going to get booed. He
was the old oldest core in the quarterback room his
first couple of years. He didn't even know these are

(01:57:03):
his words. He didn't even know what an NFL quarterback
was supposed to look like. So him explaining all that
and explaining what Jim Harball did and what Andy Reid
did to save his career was really illuminated and it
really made me think, I mean, Alex Smith was a
good NFL quarterback, Pro Bowl quarterback. It really made me
realize how dependent these guys, even the good ones, are

(01:57:23):
on where they land. I mean, Andrew Luck would have
been a baller anywhere he want, Peyton, etc. CJ. Stroud
probably the same way. But those guys are rare, and
these guys are getting drafted every year to be saviors,
to be cure alls, and only one or two and
a generation really are. I mean, it's super rare. And
so I asked CJ. Stroud one of my favorite questions

(01:57:45):
is if you were drafting a quarterback, what would you
look for? I asked Andrew Luck and he said, processing
capacity and humility. He says, if you make a mistake,
that's fine. Can you not make it again? And he said,
then you have to own up to that. Luck was
really good at that as a rookie. That's why he
earned Freemy's respect and Matthus' respect and Reggie's respect because

(01:58:08):
he didn't come in like he owned the place, and
that matters the locker room, the ability to win over
the locker room matters. And then I asked C. J.
Stroud the same question and talk about active quarterbacks, and
he said I would interview every one of their college teammates.
And I thought that was really fascinating because essentially you
can't fake that right. Either your teammates know if you're
a real one or not. And I thought that was

(01:58:29):
really fascinating because these guys walk in, I mean, Jake
and what other American enterprise twenty two year old pups,
his new colleagues, and essentially the face of the entire organization,
a multi billion dollar organization. It just doesn't happen, and
it's really hard, and it's even harder than we realize.
And from hearing from these guys, they kind of illuminated
just how impossible it can be at times.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
Alex Smith, by the way, my favorite anecdote that I
give for two different things, Zach, I always say, often
times you were evaluated not based on what you've done,
but how you were acquired. Alex Smith was, you know
what I mean? Like he was the number one overall
pick in San France, so it was like, oh, he's
a disaster. Then he goes to Kansas City and I

(01:59:12):
think Washington, and it's like he was a really solid,
good quarterback, but they didn't invest the number one overall
pick in him, and so therefore there's less expectation.

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
Also, and Zach and I've mentioned this on the radio
a thousand times, but Alex Smith is part of my
favorite trivia question of all time. Only once in this
country has the number one overall selection in both the
NFL and NBA draft come out of the same university
in the same year, and it was Alex Smith and Andrew.

Speaker 3 (01:59:41):
Bogan, Andrew Bogot.

Speaker 1 (01:59:42):
Yeah, Andrew Bogot, according to the Boom goes the dynamite guy.

Speaker 3 (01:59:46):
But yes, well that's a good point, Jake, because where
was Anthony Richardson drafted fourth overall? He had no business
going forth overall? Right, let's just be real, like fifty
percent completion percentage with Burt in college started thirteen games.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
And if he it was a fourth round pick and
they were still working with and people go, yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (02:00:03):
Cool, that's part of it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:04):
That's part of the infrastructure, and that's on the Colts,
but every team does it as well. Every right team
does it as well.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
Zach, appreciate it as always, man, I know you're busy.
Appreciate you squeezing in in great peace on quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (02:00:16):
Enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Thank you, Zach Keifer from the Athletic joining us on
the program. All right, we mentioned it earlier. I'll kind
of recap for you again the big news as it
relates to what happened over the weekend in Nashville. Fever
in action tonight as well. But when we come back,
there is one familiar name in the Indiana sports landscape

(02:00:37):
that is going to be getting a change of address.
I'll let you know what I mean next. All right,
thanks to Zach Key for his time. If you're just
joining us, movie man, Thank you, Eddie. My name is
Jay Quarry. Eddie Garrison's the other voice you hear on
this program. We call it Query and Company here on
the fan, and we are most appreciative of you giving

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us part of your time this afternoon. JMV will be
up later today, obviously in this week where the Colts
are getting set to take on the Miami Dolphins to
kick off the NFL season. That is going to be
the main topic of conversation over the course of the week.
There we go. Those are the Dolphins tailgate by the way,
Slippery Noodle before the game for the fan, and the

(02:01:21):
noodle Marty Bacon and the Noodle. The noodle is the
absolute best oldest bar in Indiana right there at the
bar top and a great place to tailgate and get
ready before you head over to Lucas Soil Stadium on Sunday.
But new college football rankings are outd Jake. Have you
seen them?

Speaker 5 (02:01:37):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:01:38):
Let me guess. No, I have not. And I was
going to get to what happened in Nashville. But let's
get to that real quick. For the college football rankings
that are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Thank you for
the bright squirrel that just ran across the room. Well,
I'm going to say number one in the land is
Ohio State. Okay, number two? Boy, things get dicey already
because some of the teams I'm trying to think of

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who I want it wouldn't have jumped that high. What
conference for number two? All you're gonna know if I
tell you, but Big Ten, Oregon number two, sorry, Penn
State number two, yeah, sorry, okay, number three conference polease,
We'll do this for the top five, number three Conference
SEC out of the SEC third ranked. It would not

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be Alabama because they lost. It would not be Texas
because they lost. I will go with LSU number three okay,
and number four Conference Police another SEC school. Oh, go
with Tennessee Georgia okay and number five.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
Do you want the conference again? Yes, ACC that would
be the Hurricanes of Miami. Okay. So the question is this,
where's Indiana? Indiana foll's three spots to twenty three, whereas
Notre Dame, the fighting Irish check in at number nine
worth Clemson number eight. Not terrible for Clemson. Florida State

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goes from unranked to fourteenth. Alabama pummels to twenty first.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
Okay. I thought over the weekend, I thought Notre Dame
looked okay. I mean when I say okay, I mean
better than okay. I thought they're good, and going down
there and losing that game to Miami, I don't think
is terrible for them. I thought their quarterback, especially on
that last drive where they scored, showed a lot of moxy.

(02:03:41):
I was impressed by him. CJ.

Speaker 4 (02:03:42):
Carr.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
Yes, I just think that first off, Miami's got some playmakers,
but I think and they have, you know, veteran quarterbacking,
but I think also especially late in the game, and
I listened to you know who I listened to on
the broadcast, Eddie Nick Yeoman and I were driving back
from Nashville and we were listening to that game on
the radio. I listened to probably the first three quarters
on the radio, and I listened to a national broadcast

(02:04:06):
from JP Shadwick, our guy, our buddy down in Jacksonville,
our guy, JP, Let's go. I was really good. He
was very good. He sounds kind of like Kevin Harlan
and doing games, but he was I thought he did
a great job. And he mentioned this. I thought it
was a very good point, and I don't know if
the television broadcast did or not, but he was mentioning
the how hot and humid and sticky it was down

(02:04:28):
there and how he felt like that was a huge
advantage for Miami in the trenches because Notre Dame just
appeared to get worn down and it just you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:04:38):
Something that was a big theme across college football this
past week for me, Jake, is that you look at
the teams that struggled. You look at Texas, you look
at Ohio State, struggled offensively. You look at Indiana, look
at Notre Dame, you look at some of these other teams.
They struggled a lot because there was a lot of
new faces at quarterback going up against not in Indiana's case,

(02:04:59):
by any means a tougher competition. So like, you have
a lot of new faces at quarterback, they're trying to
get used to things. And arch Manning's like first start
as the true starter for the entire season, it's on
the road against the best defense in college footbright, I
mean tough.

Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
Yeah. And I thought CJ. Carr first row game, first
career start on the road in Miami. I thought Ohio State.
You know, clearly their defensive goal line stands were really impressive.
I mean Ohio State was impressive. But I don't know
that anybody, even Alabama, I don't know that any of

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the they looked lethargic. They did. But at the same time,
I think Florida State, we might find out, is actually
pretty good. Yeah, And so I don't know that anybody
had a devastating loss. Nashville super Speedway over the weekend,
the win went to Joseph Newgarden, and I get it.

(02:05:57):
I totally understand that in a week when we're getting
ready to talk about the NFL season kicking off and
the Colts and Dolphins, you know, Indy car is more
of an esoteric sport. I totally understand it. But this
is the start of the silly season, as they call it,
meaning all of the speculation and conversation about where drivers
are going to end up, and we saw the biggest

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domino of those fall earlier today. And without going you know,
I don't need to rehash all of the background on
will Power and the respect that I have for him
as a driver and how good he has been over
the course of his career. I think most people know
and you don't have to be a race fan to
appreciate that will Power is a driver who his wife

(02:06:42):
has had a lot of health challenges. He was tending
to that he was dealing with a lot when people
started to wonder if his career was just hitting kind
of a stagnant period. And I think we can actually
look at it and say, look, he was dealing with
a lot, and that's dificult to do. And he gets
a lot of credit for overcoming all of that. With

(02:07:05):
that said, it was announced earlier today in fact, that
Will Power, whose contract is up, will not return with
Team Penske, and I know that his wife. In a
documentary that was being filmed about Indy Car the one
Hundred Days to Indie, one of the episodes, Liz Power,

(02:07:29):
Will's wife, is on camera saying, I think it's time
for you to go to a new team. I think
you need a change of scenery. I'm paraphrasing, but I
know that Penske. Team Penske viewed the episode before it
went to air to make sure they were okay with it,
and they're like, yeah, I mean, we get it. So

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maybe it's a change of scenery that's best for everybody.
I do believe that Will Power is going to stay
in the series. And let me explain. Colton Hurda is
with Andretti Global. His father, Brian Hurda, is also part
of the team. Colton Hurda has long had aspiration, as
have a lot of drivers, to go to Formula One,
and with Andretti Global being a part of the Cadillac

(02:08:12):
Formula One team, there has been a lot of speculation
as to what driver, what American driver they would ultimately
put in that seat. Alexander Rossi's name has been mentioned
before because he has history with Andretti, but Colton hurd
His name has been the most consistent name. But to
drive in Formula one, you need what's called a super license.
It's basically a clearance license that you can race in

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that series in IndyCar by decision of Formula One, not IndyCar.
IndyCar does not qualify one for a super license. It
is not part of that program or points system, if
you will, however you want to word it. So for
Colton Hurda to get a super license to run in
Formula one and drive for Anddretti Global, he would need

(02:08:56):
to go over and race in a series that Formula
one sanctions or approves of for that license. Formula two
is essentially the Triple A of Formula one in Europe
and Colton hurd A, I'm here to tell you at least,
and maybe this has been announced since we've been on
the air today, I don't think anything has come out,

(02:09:18):
but I will tell you that two different people that
would know both said to me when I asked, is
Colton Hurda going to F two. Both of them said
to me, I can't tell you that, but I'm not
going to deny that. So I believe with certainty that

(02:09:44):
unless something changes in the eleventh hour, that Colton Hurda
is going to go to F two. When that takes place,
it is, I'm here to tell you. The other thing
that I was told was yeah, basically that will Power
will take that seat, and will Power will drive for
Andretti Global in the seat that belonged to Colton Herda.

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Will Power's seat, the number twelve car for Team Penske
will be filled by David Malucas, who his father owns
a huge trucking company in Chicago. I would imagine there
is some business partnership that takes place there as well
with Penske Trucking. I mean, those things are above my
pay grade, but David Malucas is not getting that opportunity

(02:10:25):
because of daddy's purse strings. David Malucas is getting that
opportunity because David Lucas is an incredibly highly thought of
young rising star within open wheel racing and in particular
on OVAL's But he is a flat out talent, no
question about it. He originally was signed by Aero McLaren.
He had a bicycling accident that cost him races that

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then led to a void of contract from Aero McLaren
and he ended up in that aj Foyt Racing car.
Then you say, okay, So if Malucas is going to
fill will Power's seat, and will Power goes and fills
cold and heard a seat and Colton Hurda goes to
F two, then that means that David Malucas's seat is
now in this musical chairs, the empty one. That becomes

(02:11:09):
a little trickier. But the driver that I've been told
because there is a technical alliance between aj Foyt Racing
and Penske, and that technical alliance was originally signed because
it was believed that they wanted to have a place,
meaning Team Penske, to get David Malucas in the building

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and in kind of indirectly their umbrella. Renu's Vk is
a driver that I've been told that Team Penske has
been monitoring and that they really like Renus VK's talent
and would like to get him within their umbrella, but
they've just never been able to from a timing standpoint,
make that work and this would be their in VK.

(02:11:53):
Would make sense because even though he drives for deal
coin and has had a really good year this year,
and dal Coyn now has a lot of sponsorship backing
with Askri and Todd Alt, who is the gentleman in
charge of that Renus VK contractually I think, would be
seeking a higher salary than dale Coin would be ready

(02:12:13):
or willing to pay. No knock on either one of
those individuals, just the reality of it. Larry Foyt, who
oversees aj Foyt Racing Enterprises, also would be in the
same situation as dale Coin of not being able necessarily
to provide the funding that renus VK would like in
terms of getting paid the same level as other drivers,

(02:12:33):
and rightly so. But if Penske is involved, they might
be able to help with that. That remains to be
seen whether or not that happens. If that were to
take place, though, then that dale Coin racing seat becomes available.
Connor Daly I would think would have a shot at
that if he were to leave whom coast hauling a

(02:12:54):
racing daily is going to be able to bring AMPM
sponsorship money, it would seem and He could either use
that to stay with Hunks Hollinger Racing. He could use
that to try to go to another seat, perhaps even
David Malucas's seat, the number four car and a team
that he once drove for with aj Foyt and Hukos
Hollinger may well be merging with Prema Racing that spent

(02:13:18):
a lot of money to get their program off the
ground this year, but might be looking to condense that
a little bit and go with one car which we brought,
which would be Robert Schwartzman, and combine that with Stingray,
Rob with Hunkos Hollinger, and then perhaps Connor Daly or
somebody else where. Connor Daly could go and then maybe
it's just a two car of Schwartzman and Island and

(02:13:40):
excuse me and Stingray. Rob calum Ilot would be out
for Prema. I think he's probably going to go back
to Europe. Really talented driver, likable guy. But that just
depends on whether not Premo wants to stay with two
cars or go with one and condense down into with
Hunkos Hollinger. Miles Row is another name, by the way,
who won one in the NTT or excuse me, in

(02:14:02):
the Indie Next Series in Nashville and Roger Penske and
that team. I think really like Miles Row, but he
is going to be one more year with Rod Reed
and Force Racing and HMD Motorsports, Force Indy Racing in
Indian next next year, and then I think you will
see him probably go in through the foight umbrella up

(02:14:25):
into a Penske opportunity at some point in his career.
So that is probably way more than a lot of
you were bargaining for in terms of your IndyCar update.
But that's where Silly Season stands right now. We'll come back.
We'll put a tie on what Eddie and I were
saying about the NFL and our three teams of prediction
and as well hand it off to John as part

(02:14:46):
of our Love Heating and Air crossover. We'll do it
all next Okay, So earlier we mentioned somebody said that
I said esoteric too many times today, My apologies, I
we did.

Speaker 4 (02:15:00):
Though.

Speaker 1 (02:15:01):
It's funny. You do three hours of talking, sometimes you
do get words you get hung up on, and that
probably is one. So if you heard it repeatedly, that
means esoterically you are one of those that listens for
a long time, which is much, very much appreciated. Believe me,
we thank you, we do. We were talking about the

(02:15:23):
NFL season upcoming and the three teams, and several people
chimed in, which I appreciate on the text line at
two three nine ten seventy. You can also do so
to my personal phone. But teams that, and there are
always three categories on this NFL teams that there is

(02:15:45):
a lot of expectation towards and the assumption is that
they're going to be good or be a contender. And
sometime around Halloween into early November, we look at each
other and go, or are they not very good? The
Bengals of a year ago? Correct, the Bengals were dinged up, admittedly,

(02:16:07):
but you kept waiting for it to get going right
and it just never did.

Speaker 2 (02:16:10):
You just thought that defense would get better, and yeah,
it did not get better.

Speaker 1 (02:16:14):
So the Bengals of a year ago are a good
way of saying it. I'm going to go with and
I love Jayden Daniels. I think he's a My sister
has become a huge fan of his. I think he's
a really fun player to watch, seemingly a really good guy.
But because of that, there's just so much expectation. I'm
gonna say that Washington takes kind of a step back
from a year ago, and that's my team that I'll

(02:16:36):
go with on this.

Speaker 2 (02:16:37):
I went with Houston just because I think there's so
many question marks offensively, new offensive coordinator, what does that
offensive line look like? They traded their all pro left
tackle Laremy Tunsel to Washington. They have three new receivers
next to Nico Collins who can't stay healthy, Joe mix It.

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There's no idea if Jill Mixon's even going to be
playing this upcoming season. Nick Cassario, the general manager, did
not comment on whether or not he anticipated or when
he anticipates Jill Mixon being back. He's dealing with what
isak a foot issue or an ankle issue. Nobody really knows.
They're bringing Nick Chubb, who has had two major knee injuries,
and he just doesn't look like Nick Chubb anymore. They

(02:17:22):
drafted what he marks a fourth rounder at a usc
In the defense, you know, take a step from good
to great to make that team good, to make that team,
you know, good enough to make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (02:17:32):
Okay, Todd chimes in who's in our fantasy league, says
that his surprise team to be good this year is
going to be the Bears, a popular pick. I think
a lot of people think that his surprise team to
be bad. That we were just talking about Detroit. As
for the team that we think could surprisingly be good,
this is one that nobody really talks about. You don't
necessarily see them leading off anything if conversation, and then

(02:17:56):
all of a sudden in November, you go, these guys
are six and three, Like, are they do we need
to start taking them seriously? Here I go with the
Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 2 (02:18:07):
I think also in that category from a year ago,
Jake is the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 4 (02:18:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:18:11):
Yeah, Denver's a really good example of this, right because
a year ago you're like, young quarterback, what and then yeah,
before you know it, you're going, wait, do we have
to take these guys seriously?

Speaker 2 (02:18:21):
I went with the New England Patriots because in their division,
I guess they do have Buffalo, but they have Miami,
who nobody really knows anything about. They've got New York
who nobody really knows anything about. They've got a young
quarterback who's entering year two in Drake May. They bring
any veteran head coach and Mike Rabel that knows.

Speaker 1 (02:18:39):
How to win.

Speaker 2 (02:18:40):
You bring back Josh McDaniels, and you give Drake May
a competent coordinator. Things may start to look up for
the New England Patriots and they've got a very favorable schedule.

Speaker 4 (02:18:48):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:18:48):
The reality is when it comes to when it comes
to the Jets, I think we have plenty to know
about right well, and new head coach Aaron Glenn Justin Fields, Yeah,
Justin Field's a bit of a curveball, Okay. Then the
last group is this and that is the team. I
think you nailed this one, Eddie. Every year there is

(02:19:11):
a team, and it was the Colts a couple of
years ago, I mean the year of the All of
a sudden, out of nowhere, It's like Matt Ryan has
been benched for the rest of the year and Sam
Ellinger is a starter. It's like what, And then the
Colts have a new head coach. It's Jeff Saturday, and
I love Jeff Saturday, but it was like what, there's
always a team where just everything hits the fan and

(02:19:33):
just nothing. Every door is locked, there's turmoil, there's rumors
of players not getting along, a head coach doesn't get
along with the star. There's just drama. It's non stop.
This is the Dallas Cowboys Honorary Award, Dallas. We're not
even giving it to because this has been their mo
for thirty years. But sorry, Jeremiah. The team that is

(02:19:55):
going to be drama filled this year and as a result,
just can't get out of their own way and things
go wrong for them, I think personally. And I know
this is crazy to say, because they're massively talented and
they're likable and they have really good pieces. But Nick
Sirianni and I love the guy, but he's a little

(02:20:15):
bit edgy. And when you're coming off the super Bowl,
there's expectation, and it's a big market where there's a
lot of you know, just it gets tough and challenging.
I'll see Philadelphia as the team this year that just
keeps kind of bumping into themselves. Eddie, you went with
what is probably the right answer. I thought the low
hanging fruit here was the Pittsburgh Steeling. It's hard to

(02:20:38):
argue that, man, hard to argue that because of the
Aaron Rodgers drama. Right, and you bring in.

Speaker 2 (02:20:43):
DK Metcalfu in his own little world is also a
drama filled problem.

Speaker 1 (02:20:49):
Sometimes that's fair, That is very fair. J ANDV has arrived.

Speaker 7 (02:20:54):
Low hanging fruit. The hell's that?

Speaker 1 (02:20:57):
I was the weekend, John, you had a good weekend,
right awesome weekend.

Speaker 7 (02:21:01):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 8 (02:21:02):
Shout out to everybody, mistic Waters, everybody at Sid's, oh,
Brent Holverson, heaven Hill Distillery, Ford's Garage, Taylor's Pub with
the food, Paradise day, Watson. I didn't even show those
pictures of video because I can't.

Speaker 7 (02:21:17):
I shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (02:21:18):
Paradise in general, all of that. It was great.

Speaker 7 (02:21:21):
Now it could be a little bit warmer.

Speaker 8 (02:21:23):
I had certain signs of shrinkage for a couple of
days and the pool couldn't help it.

Speaker 7 (02:21:29):
I couldn't. But that's okay. I'll take some shrinkage.

Speaker 8 (02:21:32):
It's not like it's that impactful.

Speaker 1 (02:21:41):
Okay. What's on the big program today, John.

Speaker 8 (02:21:44):
Rick mccherry at four o'clock, We're just going to remember
those the evil Canevil motorcycle. You put that little rip
cord in there. I know you spun this, but the
ones where he'd pulled the rip cord on him, that's
what I do with the rick.

Speaker 7 (02:21:57):
I just pulled the rip cord and he goes.

Speaker 1 (02:21:59):
And unlike the evil Knievel Mike, he keeps going. The
evil for me would go like two feet in the fall.

Speaker 8 (02:22:05):
Over there is never made it to the ram, no question.
How was your weekend down in Nashville?

Speaker 4 (02:22:09):
It was good?

Speaker 1 (02:22:10):
You know, the race was good. It was you know,
I watched a Clemson LSU game with my buddy Dave
down there and that he's a Clemson fan. That was disappointing,
but you know, between college football and the race was good.
And I've always like New Garden. I'm I mean, I
know a lot of people find him.

Speaker 7 (02:22:25):
Will Power played the drums and we play the drums
down there.

Speaker 1 (02:22:29):
Will Power uh played the drums all the way to
Andretti Andretti Global. Now because I think he's going to
be driving Colton hurt his.

Speaker 7 (02:22:35):
Old ride and where's Colton Hurder going to F two too?

Speaker 1 (02:22:38):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (02:22:39):
Wow?

Speaker 7 (02:22:39):
Is that like.

Speaker 1 (02:22:42):
It looks that way?

Speaker 7 (02:22:43):
Let's put yeah, well doesn't it look does that?

Speaker 1 (02:22:45):
That's not great? Though?

Speaker 7 (02:22:46):
Is it? When you decide to go to a minor
league group over.

Speaker 1 (02:22:49):
Well, it's only because he's going to end up hopefully
for Colton Hurd it n F one. He just has
to get the super licensing.

Speaker 7 (02:22:55):
We can't even win in the Indy. What the hell
is he going to be doing there?

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
That's a very good question. Okay, that is good question.

Speaker 8 (02:23:00):
That's just I mean, he's a nice dude. I like him,
but damn he hadn't won a damn figure. Everybody always says, well,
I got talents are out there. That's what they say
about Richardson.

Speaker 1 (02:23:09):
That's right, got talent? All right, Rick Victory four call
four o'clock. I can't wait. John's up next. I thank
you for listening, everybody, and we will join you tomorrow.
By the way, Love Heating and Air.

Speaker 4 (02:23:21):
That's very.

Speaker 1 (02:23:23):
Three five three twenty one forty the crossover from Love
Heating and Air. All right, we'll be back with you
at noon tomorrow

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