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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, realistically yesterday, and it was I mean, we
played the song I guess everybody kind of has to,
but you know, realistically, the Green Day joke yesterday that
was played out like ten years ago, right the you know, hey,

(00:20):
somebody wake up Green Day, September Ends, you know, I
mean that joke, but we still do it. It's kind
of like the justin Timberlake. You know, it's got to
be may joke. But it wasn't about the on October first, that,
you know, any sort of a September ends, Green Day
thing theme, whatever else. And it was more about it

(00:44):
was a day of retirements yesterday. Now we're still here.
So neither Eddie, much to the dismay of probably many
of you, neither Eddie nor myself retired yesterday. But there
were there were plenty retirements of plenty. I mean, you
had retirements in terms of somebody that you're like, wait,

(01:06):
that hadn't happened yet. Then you had a retirement in
the form of, yeah, like that probably should have already happened,
but I had tangible proof it hadn't. And then you
had a retirement in the form of the hell did
I just watch So we'll begin with the one that

(01:29):
yesterday and I realized that happened right before we came
on the air. But I'll be honest, I didn't find
it to be overly symbolic or symbolic, yes, but er
shattering in the fact that yesterday the Colts announced that
Shaq Leonard would previously known as Darius Leonard, would retire
a player, retire as officially a cult and do it

(01:53):
this weekend and bang the anvil and go through the
whole ceremony. Now, I didn't find that to be overly
new or noteworthy, if I'm being honest, only because you know,
I found that to be just symbolic more than anything else, Like, hey,
he's officially retiring a cult. You know, guys come back
and do that, right they sign a one day contract

(02:15):
two years after they played a final game, and you
realize that it's just the symbolism of it. They want
to make sure that it's officially on their roster chart
or their resume that they retired a member of the
organization where they feel like they really came into their own.
So yesterday that announcement for Shaq Leonard, who was a

(02:38):
wonderful player, there's no doubt about it. But Shaq Leonard
is a player that he had this and I think
at the time you could probably go back and make
the point, make the discussion, make the argument that in
Shaq Leonard's case, there was a little bit of he

(02:59):
was the he benefited from a system that was designed
to funnel things towards him. But at the same time,
he was an unbelievable He had an incredible knack for
making the big play and notably creating the big turnover
when the Colts most needed it, no question about it.
And he provided the fans here and the organization and

(03:21):
the people of Indianapolis a huge amount of joy during
the time in which he played and was an underdog story.
And there was nothing about Shaq Leonard really as a
player that he disliked. So he deserves the flowers that
he's getting in terms of that ceremony and the symbolism
of his retirement there. And so yesterday when I saw

(03:43):
that headline, I just thought, Okay, well, you know he
is symbolically retiring. I just assumed that he had filed
that paperwork a long time ago then once we were
off the air, and that it always seems to happen
that way. But a couple hours after we were done,
it is that Xavier Howard now is done as an
NFL player. And I harkened back to this, Eddie you

(04:09):
were ware in twenty and sixteen.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I would have been a junior in high school.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Okay, So at that time twenty sixteen was when the
Colts were in a situation where they needed help at corner,
and they went out and they got Antonio Coramarti. And
Antonio Crammarti was a player that had been an All

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Pro was really probably in terms of a defensive backfield,
one of the best in the league, the best to
do it at in his prime, and the Colts were
in need of defensive help. They were in need from
a roster standpoint of, you know, a last minute addition
at corner. And they go out and they signed Antonio Comarti,

(04:56):
and it's like, oh, wow, okay, let's go Antonio Cromarti,
former Jet like you know, not necessarily revs. Island, but
darn close athletic rangeye, big guy, let's go. And there
were two things that came into play there which didn't
necessarily totally repeat itself but did to an extent, and

(05:16):
that is when they brought in Cromarty. They then went
and really the tell tale, I think was when they
went to London to play Jacksonville and supposedly he left
and went to Paris, took the chunnel over to Paris
to go shopping, and then came back. And he absolutely

(05:38):
I mean, I know that they loved their tea in London,
and I know they love their crumpets. I don't even
know what crumpets are, but I hope they liked their
toast because Antonio Comarti provided it. He got absolutely toasted.
He got absolutely roasted. He was absolutely scorched earth and
immediately the Colts after four games, went yeah, okay, this
just did not work out. We appreciate your time, this

(06:02):
didn't work out, and so he was released. It feels
like history kind of repeated itself to an extent. Xavier
and Howard when the Colts got themselves in position this
year where all of a sudden and that came off
the wrong way. I'm not going to say where they
got themselves in position, they really there was nothing they

(06:24):
could do about it. Injuries happen in the National Football
League and it's no different than your fantasy Fantasy football
is such a unique tool because it does two things.
It allows you to have an interest in games in
which you would otherwise have no interest. You know, the

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Cardinals are playing the Patriots, except for you have Marvin
Harrison Junior on your fantasy team, so now you have
a reason to watch that game. And the other thing
that fantasy football does is it does allow you to
understand the difficulty and the challenge when you have a
position room using an NFL term there that is depleted

(07:09):
of its players due to injury and attrition. You know
our fantasy league right now, which again I find very
suspect that Nate from Chicago's Pizza is leading our league
because it is basically the Chicago's Pizza fantasy football league.
We had our draft at Chicago's Pizza, and Nate's now
undefeated and leading the league. But our league, for example,

(07:34):
you can only have so many wide receivers, and wide
receivers such an important position, and if you have a
bye week or a couple of injuries, now all of
a sudden, you are frantically scouring the waiver wire in
your fantasy league. I say this not because anybody cares
about your fantasy team, But because it gives you relation
to what the cults of the situation that they're in.
They found themselves in position where due to attrition, due

(07:58):
to injury, due to Jalen Jones going down, due to
you know, other players that have been knocked out, they've
had to go out and scour the waiver wires and
get themselves a corner, and so they did so an
Xavier Howard and now Eddie we still don't know, you know,

(08:18):
Alec Pierce for example, and now the other side of
the ball. But Alec Pierce, we don't know. He went
through practice yesterday, but that gives you an idea with
the concussion protocol, the trickiness of what they're working with
in terms of getting guys healthy and getting them back correct.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
He went through practice yesterday with the blue jersey, which
is the contact jersey, Jake, So that's an encouraging sign,
and it wasn't the red non contact jersey, which would
mean that he's further along in the protocol.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Then you know, we.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Knew going into the week, So it does seem encouraging
that Alec Peerce will be able to suit up on Sunday.
Now we'll just have to be on the lookout, I
think on probably Saturday morning early afternoon for the kind
of like when Travarius Ward was in the concussion protocol
of them announcining like, hey, he's off the injury report,
he has cleared the NFL's concussion protocol, and he'll be

(09:10):
active and good to go Sunday.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
And that's so with Ward, for example, when he goes down,
then Kenny Moore goes down, and you already had the
situation with Jones, so you're having to go out there
and that's how they end up with Xavier and Howard.
I get it right, and it's worth you understand, but
I think sometimes we get intrigued by it. And the
same thing happens with your fantasy team. I don't mean you, Eddie,
I don't mean but whoever's listening, you get what I'm

(09:34):
talking about. Where you have to scour that waiver wire
and you're like, oh, wow, DeAndre Hopkins is available, Well, yeah,
I need a receiver. There you go, and what you
forget is that Father Time is undefeated, and so therefore
you go out and you get DeAndre Hopkins and you're like,
wait a minute, they heard it throwing the ball well,
you know, there is that cliff that guys can go over,

(09:56):
and in the case of Howard, I think that's what happened. Basically,
it was we're taking a shot. It was worth taking
a look. What you find out is that especially like
thirty is kind of the magic number. He's thirty one
years old. Guys, when they get to that age, just
the burst and the speed it simply is not there.
And in the National Football League the window is so

(10:19):
finite in terms of the gap space. And let me
explain what I mean by that and why yesterday we
had the retirement Exavier and Howard, which I think actually
the Colts did him a favor. But allow me to explain.
I recall talking with one NFL scout, this was about
four or five years ago, about quarterbacks coming out of college,

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and they were saying, you know, the one thing that
is the most difficult to judge with a quarterback coming
out of college is if they are coming out of
a big time program. Trevor Lawrence at Clemson, t at
at Alabama. You know, for that matter, you could make

(11:04):
the argument. I mean, you know, Bryce Young out of Alabama,
even Jalen Hurts, which you know I realized he started Alabama.
But then at Oklahoma when you look at those quarterbacks
and you say, in college, man, they were unbelievable that
the ball was everywhere it needed to be instantaneously. They've
got laser focus at the quarterbacking spot. They can put

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the ball wherever it needs to go, et cetera. But
the one thing that scouts keep in mind, and it
makes it difficult to figure out, is the those guys
in college are throwing to NFL receivers that are literally
two steps ahead of everybody, and the gap is huge.
So they know when they're dropping back and they they're

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getting ready to make a pass. Their timing in college
doesn't have to be as precise because the gap window
is like a second and a half. They know that
guy rowing to that guy that they're throwing to, whether
it be Justin Ross or Smith, you know, DeVante Smith,
whoever it might be. They know that those players are

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a step and a half ahead of the defender and
so therefore it's unimpeded. And then they get into the
NFL and they realize, oh wow, the gap, the window.
It's like Peyton Manning once said a Tom Moore, that
guy wasn't open, and Tom Moore said he was NFL open.
He wasn't Tennessee open. He was NFL open. And so
time that the window is so short. The reason that

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is is because defensive backs in the National Football League
are able to keep up with the receivers to an extent,
to an extent because you're moving backwards. It's a totally
different skill set. And think about the difference. Jeffricker was
just in here made a great point. We're sitting here
shooting the ball about it, and he says, think about
the difference between a top flight defensive back and an

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in space he's Tyreek Hill. And then take that top
flight defensive back, even with that gap, at his very best,
and remove even a finite ten percent, So an Xaviert Howard,
for example, if he loses that ten percent, now, all
of a sudden, that gap is even Now, all of
a sudden, you're at college gap. You're back to college

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gap window instead of NFL window. And that's what the
Colts realized was taking place. It was worth taking a
flyer on him. He's a former guy that knows Leu
Anarumo's system, that is familiar with it. That's been an
All Pro, but thank you for your service. Four games
we realized the gap is just too big. You've lost
that ten percent. And I think they did him as

(13:41):
solid by saying, instead of us releasing you, would you
like to announce your retirement, And he says okay, And
you know, I would imagine that that's probably it.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Now.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Maybe some team gets totally desperate takes one more flyer
on it. He's thirty one years old. But I think
it's probably the Antonio Comarti situation where it illuminated to
everybody what the situation was. So therefore, yesterday for the Colts,
you have that retirement. They did not go out and
again hit that waiver wire. They instead elevated Trey Washington
off of the practice squad in the defensive backfield, and

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then you hope that you get guys back and healthy,
Jealen Jones eventually come back, et cetera, and you take
your chances with it. And they now are going up
this The other good news they have is they're going
against an offense this weekend that while Geno Smith I
think is a good player he has had so far
this year and inability to take care of the football

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and he's a little bit you know, his interception numbers
have peeked back up into jets at Geno Smith Jets area,
and maybe that buys the Colts another week before they
have to be completely locked in. You know, Kyler Murray,
you know, he's still finding his way with his receivers
as well. So for the next couple of weeks they
might be able to kind of get by with slowly

(14:56):
reacclimating at the defensive backfield position. Then there was retirement
number three that took place last night. It took place
about I've got to go back and think about it.
I'm gonna say ten thirty, maybe eleven o'clock last night,

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and that retirement was it in terms of the side.
And then the season the Cincinnati Reds who found themselves
and Eddie is still just staring at the floor. Eddie
is despondent. Eddie is in a trance. Eddie is in
a what did I just see? Mode? Where the Reds

(15:38):
get the bases loaded, a chance to get themselves back
in the game. I mean, they obviously took the two
nothing lead, but.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well the Spirals started Jake when they had the bases
loaded in no outs in the third inning, they don't score,
and next thing you know, it's he and they're down four.
They're down four, two, five to two. Whatever, it was, right,
But that's what I'm saying. So they they got out
to the two nothing lead, and then I thought I

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saw some statistic in terms of getting bases loaded with
nobody out and not scoring a run, and the rarity
of that in the postseason. I mean, it's historic stuff, right. Well,
at least it's not the Yankees shake where they were.
They had the bases loaded and nobody out in the
ninth hitning and just needed one run to tie, and
they don't score a run at all. At least it

(16:33):
wasn't that. Who did you say you're rooting for? Between
the Yankees and Red Sox? The Red Sox and for
what reason, I can't stand the Yankees, But the Red
Sox are kind of the Yankees light, aren't they.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
I know it's at this.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Point I am enjoying the painful nature of which Yankees
fans are going through right now. With Aaron Boone, they
got an all time great and they can't win with him.
Talking about Aaron Judge, he is a great player. Well,
why would you say they can't win with them because
they can't. Okay, fair enough, they haven't won a World
Series with him? Well, sure, that's what I should say.

(17:05):
They haven't won a World Series. They can win with
him obviously, just can't win when it matters, right.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay, fair But the baseball playoffs, though, you know, there
is a magic. I'm sitting there watching the Reds and
I'm like, yeah, it's cool, it's the postseason, it's the Reds,
but the Reds feel like they are still an organization.
And I'm a Reds fan per se, kind of a
transient bandwagon Reds fan, like when it's going well admittedly,

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but that's who I root for in baseball. But nonetheless,
when when you're watching a postseason game, I mean, it
is special and you're like, man, it is just so
cool and it takes so long to get there, and
I get it. I mean, you've heard my old man
rant about breaking out the goggles and the champagne and
whatever else?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Did it last night?

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, Mookie Bets you heard Mookie Bets was asked about it, Yeah,
and he sounded to me like me. He was kind
of like, I guess we're going to do this, right.
I mean Scott Vanpeld asked him about it as soon
as the game was over. Yeah, and he basically was saying, yeah,
I mean, I guess we'll do that. But I think
he was kind of in my camp of like, I

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don't know, we just did this, didn't we. But the
Reds feel like as an organization and as a fan base,
the spraying of Champagne for getting into the postseason, that
that is their culmination celebration because they haven't won a
postseason game now in what fourteen years, So there was

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an element of it. It looked like a franchise, a team,
an organization, a vibe that was happy to be there.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Right, Yeah, pretty much that's what it came down to you.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
And but you gotta with anything, you gotta want for
more than that, right.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Changes need to be made, Jake, And I don't know
if they'll make the changes because the way the franchise
is operating the last five to ten years is that
they've been fine with five hundred, and they'll try to
sell their fans like, hey, we made the playoffs this year,
we can build on this. They kind of backed into it, right, Yeah,
we had a lot of down years, like Matt McLean
had it down here, Spencer Steer had it down here. Well,

(19:13):
maybe they're just not good.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Okay, now you said changes need to be made. I
think Miles Turner realized that he needed to change his
tune a little bit. Now, Xavier Howard, what we saw
yesterday for the Colts was a player that was retired
because he just doesn't have the same step. And when

(19:35):
you are a defensive back, that step has to be
walking it backwards, right. Miles Turner put himself in position,
and I like Miles Turner. Open disclaimer. I like Miles Turner.
I think everybody knows that. I like him as a
player and I like him as a guy. I really
like him, and I get it. I get the frustration

(19:57):
within the franchise itself because of the different situations he
was put in in terms of you know, the DeAndrea
eight and sheet. I mean, we've gone over all that.
But he's walking back now what it was that he
said yesterday, right, or said a couple of days ago,
then yesterday he tries to clarify it when he comes
out and says for media day for the Milwaukee Bucks, look,

(20:19):
I'm it's great to be somewhere where I'm celebrated, and
I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he said. Then he
comes out on social media and says, no, whoaha, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I was talking about the free agency process. I was
not talking about the fans themselves. And I get it
because I think he realized, well, wait a minute. And

(20:40):
I understand this as well, although it's you would think
in twenty twenty five everyone would know this instantly, But
I do somewhat understand where when he was talking to
the Milwaukee media, when he's talking to media day, thinking
that he's speaking just to the Bucks, that he almost
was naive or not thinking about naives pi the wrong word,

(21:04):
but just in the moment, wasn't thinking about, wait a minute,
this what I'm about to say is going to be
heard beyond just the Buck Nation, Okay. And so he
makes those comments and then he has to go back
and walk it back a little bit. And at this point,
and I agree with what Jay and V said on
social media, it's too late. It's out there. It's too late.

(21:26):
You can't clarify it now, you can't go back now,
you can't walk it back. You're Xavier Howard you're trying
to move backwards and backpedal and clean it up. It's
too late. The words are out there. He was a
great member of this community. He was a great member

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of the Pacers organization. And when he says, listen, I
want to clarify, I was talking about the process. I
was talking about the and basically what he was implying
was Pacer fans. I wasn't talking talking to you. I
was talking to the organization. But the problem with that
is the fact that during the process, in his negotiation

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with the organization, Miles Turner really didn't open it up
for counterpoint because and I think what happened was this.
I think the Pacers, I'm not going to say they
lowballed him, but I understand it when you are the
Indiana Pacers and you're looking at other players on your

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roster that you've got to get figured out, and you
know that you're going to have to eventually re sign
nim Hard to nim Hard's on a pretty good deal
right now, but in a lengthy deal. But nim Hard,
Nie Smith, Walker, Matheren Shepherd, you have all these players
and you've got to figure out your cap moving forward
in the next say, four year window, So Miles Turner.

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You assume that Miles Turner is going to want to
stay here. You assume that he doesn't have an offer
sheet from somebody already or have something out there, and
so you kind of lowball him in your first offer,
fully expecting that that's not anywhere near the number you're
gonna end up paying him. But you do it for
the sake of doing it right. It's no different than

(23:13):
when you go in to buy a car. You know,
when you go into buy a car, there is no
way this guy's gonna take thirty grand for this car.
But I'm gonna offer thirty knowing that it's probably gonna
cost me thirty eight. But I'm gonna start at thirty
because if he takes it, whow what a deal. And
the Pacers I think did that, and so yes, I
understand where Miles Turner would be offended by that or

(23:36):
upset by that, but he didn't give them a chance,
by all account to counter it, because I think Milwaukee said,
here is an offer that we're gonna give to you,
and you cannot use this though as negotiating ploy this
is your offer. You hear what Indiana has to say,
we need an answer by end of same business day.
And so there's a little bit of truth in both

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sides here. Turner case, I understand why he's upset, and
but at the same time he didn't. In the Pacers case,
I understand why they were blindsided because he didn't give
them a chance to counter the thing. Eddie and all
of this that seems odd is when it happened, the
word was that Miles Turner like hadn't talked to anybody.

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Then we had aaron Nesmith on and what did aaron
Ne Smith say that Miles Turner told all the players
in his group chat like that this is what was
going to happen allegedly.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Allegedly.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think he probably did right. Why would Nie Smith?
Why would Nie Smith?

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Though?

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Say? No, I mean Turner sent us a text to
all of us, and we understood what's best for his Pami.
I mean he could have sent a text bout the
timing of the text, like it before or after.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, I get it, Like I sent you a text, Jake,
does it? I didn't tell you when I sent the text.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Fair but I but but there would be reason for
you know, at that time, with that report coming out like,
there's no reason for Aaron Nesmith to basically, you know,
say that. And I'm not saying Aaron Ne Smith's a
liar by any strategy. I mean, that's not what I'm saying.
I think he's being truthful because why would he why

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would he throw that nugget out there if it wasn't true.
But I just think Miles Turner, this is a situation
and at times when he was a player here, with
all players, it comes into play. I just don't think
he totally thought through what it was he was saying
in the moment, and I think he thought, like, I'm

(25:36):
really going to draw a line in the sand here
and I'm going to get it out there as to
how I feel about Indiana and that process. And it's
all of these insecurities, all of these frustrations, all of
these things boiled over once finally the power was put
in his hands through that negotiating process, and I think

(25:59):
all the things that he had previously just stored away
and locked away in the back of his mind and
played through all came out in one fell swoop, and
the frustration and the insecurity and the anger, all of
it came out. And then he realizes, Oh gosh, like
I think fans think I mean them there, That's not
what I'm talking about at all. And I don't think

(26:20):
the Pacers were wrong, per se. I don't think Miles
Turner's wrong, per se. But he is trying to walk
it back a little bit, and we saw it yesterday.
But in terms of negotiations, in terms of lines in
the sand, I think a little bit bit of that
is taking place, and in particular with one player here
in Central Indiana on a national and global standpoint in

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terms of power of positioning and the attempt at leverage
in business. And there's one player here in Central Indiana
that has kind of found themselves right in the middle
of all of it. And it may get even murkier
and uglier. And I'll explain what I'm talking about. Big

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show lined up for you today when we come back,
I will do that. Matt verderra Am going to join
us one o'clock today. JT the Brick, who does Raiders
Radio and is out in Las Vegas, the national radio host,
going to join us at two o'clock today. Matt Taylor,
Voice of the Colts at two thirty. So a big
show lined up for you on this Thursday, a glorious
looking Thursday. But unlike those things we're talking about, we're

(27:28):
not backpedaling. We're looking forward. And I'm going to prognosticate
with one player in this town that might find themselves
in the middle of a big brew. Haha. I'll tell
you about it next. You just heard J and V
talking about this, and this is something that initially, you know,

(27:49):
your ears perked up. And as we've gone along here,
it's become a bigger and bigger story. And I think
it's about to become a massive not that it's not
already story. And let me explain what I'm talking about.
The big headlines came out and I can't recall my
days all run together, but it was was it Monday

(28:11):
or Tuesday when Nefisa Collier basically called a press conference
to express her concerns about the leadership of the WNBA.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
It was I think it was Monday. Monday sounds right, Yeah.
I was at her exit interview. That's how she started
her exit.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Interview, and so she voiced her concerns about leadership with
the w NBA, and in doing so, roped in the
biggest star in the w NBA. This is Nefisa Callier
talking about her concerns with Katy Engelbert, who is the

(28:49):
commissioner of the WNBA and the leadership of the league
itself at Unrivaled.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
This past February, I sat across from Kathy and asked
how she planned to address the officiating issues in our league.
Her response was, well, only the losers complain about the refs.
I also asked how she plan to fix the fact
that players like Caitlin Angel and Page, who are clearly
driving massive revenue for the league, are making so little
for their first four years. Her response was, Caitlyn should

(29:15):
be grateful she makes sixty million off the court, because
without the platform that the WNBA gives her, she wouldn't
make anything. And in that same conversation, she told me
players should be on their knees thanking they're lucky stars
for the media right steal that I got them.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Now Caitlyn Clark has addressed this today, okay. And Kaitlyn
Clark is one that, for the most part, I think
kind of stays out of things, if you will, right,
and just you don't hear a lot into it. We
don't hear a lot from her in general. But she's
been hurt, so I mean, you know, I get that

(29:53):
aspect of it. Okay, But Caitlyn Clark said the following quote.
First of all, I have great respect for Fee that
would be caller obviously back to the quote, and I
think she might have made a lot of very valid points.
More people need to understand we need great leadership in
this time across all levels. This is straight up the

(30:13):
most important moment in this league's history. This league's been
around for twenty five plus years, and this is a
moment we have to capitalize on. So that's honestly what
I would say. Be said it all with what she said,
and the points she made were very valid. End quote
from Kaitlin Clark. What they're referring to is this, and
what I think we're seeing and hearing is the following

(30:34):
the WNBA, which, as Caitlin Clark just mentioned, there began
twenty five years ago and the WNBA right now is
at its peak popularity. And for that reason, the collective
Bargaining Agreement that was agreed upon in terms of all

(30:55):
of the things that a player for the WNBA gets
in terms of revenue share and you know, salaries improved benefits, childcare,
maternity leave, all of those things, travel standards, all of
those things that were agreed upon were set to expire
at the end of twenty twenty seven, but there was

(31:16):
a clause within that collective bargaining agreement that the players
could opt out of it and renegotiate it by the
deadline of October thirty first of this year. What you
are seeing is a power play between the commissioner of
the WNBA and the players themselves. And while it is

(31:37):
easy to sit back, and especially in a league in
where we, as a general rule, are not, there's really
only one league, maybe two where we do like daily
play by play analysis of collective bargaining negotiations, and that's
the NFL. In the NBA, those are the two because
of the television dollars that pour into that and the

(31:59):
way that it's divvied up and the way it impacts
salaries and salary cap windows. I mean, you look at,
for example, Lance Stevenson, when Lance Stevenson was leaving Indiana
after his rookie deal, and everybody thought he was a
moron for going to Charlotte and taking a contract that
paid him less than what he was being offered in Indiana.
But what everybody was saying was or overlooking was he

(32:22):
opted for a four year contract instead of a five
year contract, even though the average annual salary was less.
He wanted the four years because his agent was able
to look at it and say, the new collective bargaining
agreement is going to take place in that year of
free agency, and when that happens, that's the year when

(32:42):
everybody just goes out and starts spending money galore because
the salary cap raises so much. You want to be
in that window and take advantage in that particular year. Now,
Stevenson gambled on himself and lost because he didn't play
as well, but that's why he was going with that
shorter contract because he wanted to cash in in that
year when the TV money kicked in. And the WNBA

(33:06):
right now is going through that exact thing where the
players are saying, look, we need better than this, because
we are the ones that have raised the standard here.
And I understand. I'm not saying I agree with. I
understand where the commissioner is coming from because it is

(33:26):
her job as the commissioner to speak essentially as the representative,
as the bad guy as the bad deliverer and message
stater for the owners of the league itself, and so
therefore they are saying, look, if these players are wanting
higher salary, if these players are wanting a bigger slice

(33:47):
of the pie, like, we've got to start making it
clear now where we stand in this new negotiation that
we're about to go through, and both sides are giving
their firm line Nope, I'm going to sell this car.
I can't budge over thirty eight grand I need for
this car. No I want to pay I'm not going
to pay over thirty Okay, let's meet somewhere in the middle.
We're in the beginning. It gets real nasty, and it

(34:10):
may still and in terms of the standpoint of Kaitlyn Clark,
and she better be happy. She's making sixty million off
the court and she wouldn't make that if it weren't
for the WNBA exactly. I mean, that is the most
laughable thing ever issues so ignorant Caitlin Clark. Well, it's
here's the thing, Eddie, It's not ignorant because what it

(34:31):
is is its negotiation. I don't think she believes that.
I don't think Kathy Engelbert believes that in one way,
shape or form. But as the commissioner of the WNBA,
and I'm again I want to be very clear here,
I'm not saying I agree with her. I'm saying her
job is to present the hardline stance of from the

(34:57):
owners and the league standpoint of making sure that they
don't all of a sudden completely give in to every
player demand throughout this negotiation. That's her job. The job
of the players then, of course, is to say no,
we want this because this is what we're bringing you. Yes,
it was an ignorant thing to take it. I don't

(35:17):
think she believes it is what I'm getting at, But
she's throwing that out there because she's trying to draw
that line in the sand of this collective bargaining agreement
that is about to be retooled with a Halloween deadline.
And so you play hardball to begin with. And look,
and if he's a collier, was whether it was her
own initiation, whether the other players went to her and said,

(35:42):
can you be the one to speak up for us?
Whatever it may be, She's the one drawing that line
in the sand on the other side of things, And
Caitlyn Clark is because she is the straw that mixes
the drink of the WNBA in every aspect. You know,
there are great players in the WNBA, but Caitlin Clark
is the most transcendent. Caitlin Clark is the name that
if you are somebody living in Cheyenne, Wyoming, or Jacksonville, Florida,

(36:05):
or you know, Augusta, Maine, she's the player in the
w Hey are you familiar with the WNBA A. I
think that's the Women's league, right does Caitlyn Clark playing that?
She's the transendate one, So her name is automatically going
to get attached into it because what comes with the
benefit of being all of that money that you're talking about.

(36:26):
She Engelbert is correct in that regard, in the fact
that when it comes to the w NBA, she is
synonymous with that platform. But Caitlin Clark would be synonymous
with whatever league she's playing in right now because of
the fact that she that began in Iowa. I know
this because I sat during an IndyCar. I'll never during

(36:48):
an IndyCar weekend. I sat one time in my hotel
room and for two and a half hours to watch
nothing but the women's Final four, because I'm like, I
can't believe what this girl I was doing. I mean,
she's going by her back pulling up Steph Curry threes.
And my dad's texting my sister and a group family
text about it, like and my dad's you know, all
about Kaitlyn Clark, and people are all about Kitlyn Clark.

(37:09):
I mean, and do you remember Eddie when Kaitlyn Clark
when it was finally determined that she was going to
forego her eligibility and going to the WNBA Draft and
the Fever had the number one pick. We were at
the combine. I think Matt Verderraim is going to join
us here in about fifteen minutes. Was with us that day,
and our lead conversation the whole time was the fact
that Caitlin Clark was coming to Indiana and this was

(37:31):
during the NFL Draft combine because she she was that
big a transcendence star in college, so that money was
going to follow her wherever she was going to go.
She could be playing right now professional basketball in Australia
and there would be TV contracts here for people to
see it because she's that transcendent the star. But what
you're seeing here is that transcendence attaches her to an

(37:52):
argument from both sides, and she's kind of caught in
the middle of it and now comes out and says,
you know, hey, I'm glad that Callier did said what
I would have said, and she's probably grateful that there
is a player keeping that platform. But what you are
seeing here is the beginning of what is going to
be a month long power play in a collective bargaining agreement.

(38:18):
And the keyword of that is agreement. And that's what's
going to be probably continuing to be a back and
forth here over the next couple of weeks, and then
eventually they will have a new agreement. There will be
some sort of, you know, an improvement, whether it be
hundreds of millions of dollars, I don't know about that,

(38:38):
but there's going to be an improvement in the situation
the players are looking for. There will be something that
appeases what the owners are looking for, and then everybody
will do essentially a Miles Turner on this walk back
Thursday and say, you know what, actually, let's clarify what
we meant, and boom, you come to a retirement of

(38:58):
that particular story. Verde Ram joins us in fifteen. By
the way, Eddie, by the way, do you happen to
have the breaking news sounder? It will be on Monday
when we tell you exactly who, because we are still

(39:21):
waiting the ink to dry, if you will, we're dotting
the i's and crossing the t's.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Okay, what he's in q's. Is that what we're doing?

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Do you know what that stands for?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
By the way, I don't. I was just referring Anthony
Richardsindia being on his p's and q's.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Do you know what that comes from? I believe I've
this is my favorite fun fact. Okay, mind your p's
and q's. Do you know the origin of that phrase? No?
I believe I've mentioned it on the air before, but
you probably were. You've bet on the iced tea or
the the Mister t starter kit today. By the way,
I do a couple of you got a couple of
big necklaces hanging out. Thanks, but you probably pity the

(39:59):
fool when I was talking about my p's and q's
and my favorite fun fact. So I'll get to that
in a second in terms of the origin of it,
because it is a fun thing. But will probably officially
be able to announce this on Monday. But I am
thrilled about this is thrilled.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Soon to be sponsored. Is it the soon to be
sponsored guest line.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Or the guest line in fact? The guest line in
fact is going to again be sponsored. And this is
why I'm thrilled about it.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
L FGJ. I hope you know what those stand for.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
I do, I indeed do right. That means this is
legitimately freaking good, right, Yeah, I am thrilled about. I'm
thrilled at anytime that we have companies that are willing to
partner with this show. And you know, Chicago's Pizza. I
love the folks at Chicago's Pizza are great, right, great

(40:54):
folks surf side right yep. Premiere Weight Loss, How to
Search Side last night Franciscan, Franciscan has you know, they're
they're wonderful. I mean that the fact Franciscan and Premier
Weight Lost both you know, trusting me to get the
word out about good health for people. I mean, I'm
happy about all of it, right, Indiana Donor Network, We've
we've done a lot with so anytime, and and the
people that have been kind enough to get on board

(41:16):
with us in the past. Love Love, Love and Air
is another one, right, Ryan, guys, you know was great
to us during the course of the time that we
were on Greenfield Signs them Greenfield Signs. So We've had
plenty who and I'm appreciative and thankful for all of it.
This one I'm particular excited, particularly excited about because of

(41:37):
two things. Number One, it's a product I love. It
is a product that I love and we love and
Eddie does as well. And number two, it combines really
two of my passions. One of my passions is, you know,

(41:57):
just being able and being four fortunate enough to talk
to people and interact with people and engage with people
on this radio show each day. And you know, look,
do I at times? Do I ruffle? I don't try
to do this I'm saying, I'm understanding of the fact
that not every opinion I have everyone's going to agree with.
I understand the fact that there are probably a lot

(42:18):
of people that don't at times get tired of me
or don't let me I get it right. But at
its core, I do appreciate and love being able to
interact with people and share experiences of the things that
we do on the radio show, off the radio show.
The other of my passions is, of course, the fact
that I travel around with IndyCar and I love, love,
love the Indianapolis five hundred and IndyCar racing in general,

(42:42):
but the five hundred and the Speedway, I think everybody
knows mean everything to me. So to be able to
combine really those two passions, being able to speak with
and interview people on the guest Line and being able
to do so with a company that also understands and
is equally involved in my racing, I love it, and

(43:02):
that's why I am totally stoked and cannot wait for
when we officially announce. I believe on Monday who the
guest Line sponsor is, but I it's a product and
a company that I love, the people, I love the product.
I'm thrilled about it. And that's been true of everything
we've done, but this one, I'm very excited.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Now, Jake, what is your passion in your overall enjoyment
and love with working for me rank or with me
not for me?

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Like I said, I'm happy that the other two things
were able to have, right in terms of you're.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Not happy to be able to have me as your
producer every day, no, and as your president of your company.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
I listen, I am thrilled that you're the president of
the company and I'm in particularly thrilled about it because
you do all of the legwork, in the behind the
scenes stuff, which means I don't have to do much.
So in that regard, I hope the bosses didn't hear that.
I do appreciate that. By the way, mining your p's
and q's, I've mentioned this before. You know what that

(44:00):
comes down to. That comes down to the olden days.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
In like mind, your manners or whatever.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Very similar in the old days in England. I believe
it's England. It might be either explain this in your
English accent, with old Man English accent, or just regular
British acas whatever you're feeling, Jake. So in the old days,
when you'd go into a pub, I don't know if
it was Ireland, Scotland or England. I think England, you
would order, you know, I took a point please, or yes,

(44:30):
actually there's a couple of it. I took a court
and so they would write on they would have like
a chalkboard and they'd put eddie and they would mark
down whether you had a pint or a court, and
then if you had too many of them, and all
of a sudden you're like, I have there you let's
go out saw a fight, and all of a sudden
you're starting fights and start in trouble. They would come

(44:51):
to you and say, listen, we told you already you've
been having a bit too much of the gronk, and
as a result, you're going to have to mind. We're
looking at it right here. Mind your pays and cues.
You're drinking too many of them, and so minding your
p's and q's was simply a reminder that make sure
that you don't get overserved and cause trouble. So mind
how many pints and courts you've had. How about them apples.

(45:14):
Matt Verdoran, by the way, drinks his p's and q's
at Club Apple, Bee's, Hey, and the Taco Bell CANTEENA
joins us next. So I just actually got a text
from somebody trying to guess the sponsor of the guest line.
It's pretty good guests, pretty solid guests. They said you
should do a contest, and I thought, you know what,

(45:36):
it actually would be kind of cool. To do a
contest where the winner of the contest, but then again,
I don't know, it would have to tie in with
the sponsor of the guest line, and I thought, you
know what, We'll just build up the suspense and leave
it at that, because then it becomes very convoluted. But

(45:59):
it was a solid guests on who the guest line
will be. The guest line is where we anticipate talking
with Matt verde Am coming up just a couple of minutes. Yesterday. Actually,
I did some radio in Lost Wages better known as
Las Vegas with JT. The Brick, who, of course a
national radio host and he is based out of Las Vegas.

(46:21):
He does he is the Eddie Garrison of the Fever
to the Raiders. In other words, he does like pre
and postgame stuff with the Raiders broadcasts, does a lot
with Pete Carroll. I think he hosts the Pete Carroll
Show as well. And one of the things in talking
to him, and he's going to join us in about
an hour is JT. The Brick will go over the
Raiders stuff and one of the things we're going to
talk about is just the fact that I'm gonna say

(46:45):
I shouldn't say uncharacteristically, but maybe reverting back to old ways.
And maybe part of it, and this is what I'll
ask JT the brick, you know, maybe part of it
is they are schematically doing things the wrong way, drawing
things up for him. But the Raiders, now Geno Smith
is starting to turn the ball over a little bit.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Two things. Yes, Number one, he's second in the league
in interceptions, and Matt Verderam had an emergency and he
cannot join us.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Okay, certainly, hope everything's all right for Matt. Now the
I thought about this in that discussion with JT yesterday.
The Raiders and the interceptions from Geno Smith combined with

(47:35):
the fact that I, you know, I saw a lot
of discussion about, for example, the Ravens and the Ravens offensively,
we know, you know, have a lot of weapons, and
I think the world of Derrick Henry, I mean I
think I just I am. Derrick Henry could be fifty
three years old and I would be convinced that he
could still go out and run. I'm sure people felt

(47:56):
the same way about Jim Brown. You know, the old
joke it's now been used about you know, every single
player But the initial player that this was attributed to
was the late great Jim Brown. Allegedly when he was
being interviewed when he was forty five years old or whatever,
and somebody said how many yards can you run for today?
And he said I could probably average four yards of carry?

(48:17):
And they're like, really, like you think so the league
you know, has changed that much or whatever, and he said, well,
I mean, you know, keep in mind I'm forty five,
meaning like no, no, no, we don't mean like what
you would do today as a forty five year old guy.
I do believe Derrick Henry. I'm just convinced of it.
I mean, he's like ageless, right. But the Ravens with
Derrick Henry, and even with his yards per carry average,

(48:42):
I saw an entire discussion about the limited number of
times that Derrick Henry carries the ball on first and
second down and they are essentially reserving him as a
third down back. And why are they doing that because
the Ravens offense, see, you know, it is not as
efficient on first and second down, and why would you

(49:03):
not go earlier with what works for you? Now, you
could make the argument or the discussion that the reason
Derrick Henry's average is what it is is because he's
not being you know, in other words, well, they're not
very efficient on first and second down, and yet Derrick
Henry is averaging blank yards per carry. Well, that is

(49:24):
like the nerdiest thing you've ever heard. You say, Jake, No,
this is what I'm saying. I think when you crunch
those numbers and look at it, then you can figure out. Okay,
perhaps that's because the Ravens are throwing the ball so
often on first and second down. Because the point is this,

(49:47):
when he does carry the ball on first and second down,
they're like sixth in the league on efficiency on those plays.
Ok So why wouldn't they do it more well? Because
the more you do it, the more that number gets shrunk.
In other words, when first off, people are gonna start
loading the box. If you do that a lot right
as it is right now, they're dropping back because they know.
And so when he does sparingly carry on first and

(50:09):
second down, it's like, wow, why don't they do this
more well? Because once you start doing it more then
defenses start to counter for it. And to use my phrase,
water finds its level, right, I mean equilibrium I think
is that yeah, so it can be convoluted. But if
you decipher those aspects of the Ravens, or you look

(50:32):
at Geno Smith and turning the ball over for the Raiders.
The thing that essentially, as I was thinking about and
analyzing all this is the thing that the Colts have
done really well to this point is Shane Stikeen. And
I don't know whether it's Shane Steichen doing this for

(50:53):
Daniel Jones, or whether it's Daniel Jones's skill set allows
it for Shane Steichen, but the Colts are calling games
and running it an offense that caters towards what they
do best, and the Colts in doing that are able.

(51:17):
And I know that he had the two picks on Sunday,
and we're going to see whether or not that that's
the anomaly or whether they're starting to trend that way
in the first couple of weeks with the anomaly when
the Colts were so offensively efficient. But it feels to
me like what we are seeing is an offense that

(51:39):
is being designed spelled out. And this would certainly you
would assume be true of every team in the league.
But it's being designed and spelled out and written out
and game planned to suit the strength of its quarterback
and stay away from its weakness as an offense. And

(52:00):
you could say to yourself, well, Jake, every team does that.
But if you are the Bills, if you are the Chiefs,
if you are the Bengals when Joe Burrow's healthy, I
don't know that you are as technical in your offensive
playbook calling Because you feel like you have quarterbacks with

(52:24):
no governor on them, you can just let it go
and whatever play you call, you got a chance. The
play is going to work. Whether you want Josh Allen
to air it out, whether you want Josh Allen to
you know, do a quarterback draw, whether you want Patrick
Mahomes to find guys in space or go through all
his reads, or then, you know, whatever it might be.
Whether you want Joe Burrow just that precision with all

(52:46):
the weapons he's got. Those guys you can call about anything.
But are the Colts now offensively benefiting from the fact
that they have a quarterback and Shane Steichen selected the
quarterback that does have a governor limited audit, and that

(53:07):
forces them to be more selective and more analytical in
the plays that they're calling, and thus more efficient, and
they have. The Colts as an offense, have multiple weapons,
probably underrated weapons. I think offensively they are better than

(53:32):
their given credit. And it all starts, truthfully with Tyler
Warren a year ago, two years ago there and you've
heard me say this a lot, I realize, but their
bailout play, their safety net play, was either find Michael

(53:53):
Pittman for ten yards over the middle because he's a
big target and he's reliable and he's durable with a
hurt back. I mean there's a lot of warrior, there's
a lot of dog in Michael Pittman. That was one
and the other was Josh Downs Like okay, Josh Jowns
is just floating around somewhere, like drop it off to him.
Those were kind of their two bailout plays. Now they
have the bailout play is right there, and Tyler Warren

(54:18):
is not bailout. I mean they're designing things to him,
but you know when all hell breaks loose, that that's
a guy that you can get to as your bailout
player if but there are more players now, they just
have more weapons. Part of that too is they are
utilizing Jonathan Taylor in different ways. They're actually getting him
the ball out of the backfield through the air more

(54:40):
than they used to. They have Pittman in the areas
where he's at his best. They have downs who at
times they get involved. Adie Mitchell, We've gone over that.
But he is somebody that they've incorporated. Ashton Doolan when
he's on the field, they've incorporated and Alec Pierce they're
using in different ways. Now, how much of that, again,

(55:02):
is because they this is the strength to Daniel Jones.
And how much of that is because we have to
be selective in the way that we that we spell
this out. But it all starts with Tyler Warren and
the fact that defenses have to be aware of where
he is at all times, and that allows you to
get into different areas more easily and more efficiently. And

(55:29):
Andy I've talked like, let's look at the Pacers. Okay, okay,
if you look at the Pacers offense when it's a
different offense when Tyree's Halliburton is healthy versus say when
andrawd Imhardt's running the point, would you agree, agreed?

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Now, when Halliburton is healthy, that offense is go down fast, pace,
score quickly, get an open three or then kick back
and when Myles Turner was out there, gets it the
top on the threat whatever, and then they run that
kind of weave rotation where you know, whether it be
Nie Smith or Nim Hart or even Topping, you know

(56:07):
they all can hit from the outside or you go
down to Siako on the block right, and so you
are constantly working to get the ball where it needs
to go. But when Halliburton's on the floor, you're basically
Josh Allen, You're basically Mahomes. You're like, we can play
at pace, we can go and if we need to
slow it down into a half court set, that's fine,
but we have flexibility. And when this year, for example,

(56:34):
and I know Aaron Nismith said they're still going to
try to play at pace, but Rick Carlisle has essentially
said or insinuated that they are going to go into
more half court sets with more regularity than what we
were accustomed to a year ago. And that's an offense
with Daniel Jones, you have to be more intentional in

(56:57):
what you're doing. Now. My question for you, Eddie is
when you look at the lack of turnovers and the
offensive efficiency that we saw out of Indianapolis in the
first three games. Is that because oh wow, Daniel Jones
is this super smart, efficient quarterback? Or is that because

(57:21):
Shane Steichen was saying, I'm picking this guy because he
allows me to be more intentional and conservative in the
way I'm calling plays, So I am calling them more
strictly to suit his strengths and stay away and mask
his weakness.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I think it's a little bit of both, because the
one thing that we always talked about as a weakness
for Daniel Jones going into the start of the season
was he just doesn't push the ball deep, and he's
been doing that. That's why the offense has been so efficient,
is all the defenses have been playing him as trying
to take away what's underneath.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Which, again that goes back to Warren a lot, right, Yeah,
because you got to keep an eye on.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
And so like that's why you see it shots Dlek Pierce.
That's why you've seen a deep shot to Michael Hitman Junior.
That's why you've seen a mixed deep shot in there
for Tyler Warren and how teams respond Now they have
to honor it and it's going to open up things
underneath for Josh Downs, Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor, who's been
a big part of the passing game this year, and
it'll help him in the run game as well. So
I think it's all encompassing a part of Shane Styke

(58:21):
and doing what works for Daniel Jones while also putting
the playmakers around Daniel Jones in the position to succeed
as well.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
So let me throw you this kind of weird theory, okay,
and tell me if it makes sense. Which is a
dangerous thing. When I'm about to say something, right, I
realize like sometimes, yeah, you know, there are rabbit holes
with my brain. I get that.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
No, they're not rabbit holes, they're creators.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Thank you. Is it possible that the reason Shane Styken
opted for Daniel Jones and I know that he says
it's it's organizational, And he keeps going back to the
Shane Steiken keeps going back to with with any player
that he's talking about, he keeps going back to the

(59:12):
narrative of you know, hey, it's about what takes place
in the building, It's about what takes place in the
film room.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
He said it at the receiver position this week about
Adie Mitchell, And yesterday somebody got on me. They're like,
why are we bringing up the Ady Mitchell story again.
I'm like, we're bringing it up again because it's topical
again because the head coach has now admitted to or
tipped his hand to the fact that this guy may
be losing reps because of what happened in Los Angeles.

(59:44):
And he kept going back to the part about organizationally,
professionally approach all of those things. But is it possible
that Shane Steiken selected Daniel Jones in the quarterback competition
over Anthony Richardson not necessarily and entirely because of all

(01:00:05):
of those things, but rather because he, meaning Shane Stikeen
knows that Anthony Richardson wouldn't tempt him too much. What
do you mean, Anthony Richardson's strength as a quarterback is

(01:00:27):
the long ball and the athleticism. Shane Stiken's strength as
a coach is awakening things in a quarterback and being
unpredictable in terms of offensive play calling. But is it
possible that Shane Styken looked at Anthony Richardson and knew

(01:00:49):
and I mean this in a strong suit about Shane
Stykeen not as an indictment on him. But did Shane
Stiken as a coach look at it and say, I
have to trust my own instinct, and when it comes
to Anthony Richardson, I don't. And when I have him
on the field, I become too tempted and I fall

(01:01:11):
too much in love with the exceptions and the excitement
as opposed to the norm of what is efficient. And
if I have Anthony Richardson as my quarterback, I'm going
to be too tantalized by the sixty three yard pass
play or the quarterback draw. And that's not the efficiency

(01:01:32):
by which I want to run my offense. And now
that I have Tyler Warren, and now that I have
a healthy Michael Pittman, and now that I have Jonathan
Taylor that I'm going to work with in past plays
out of the backfield, I need things to be more simplified.
And if I have Anthony Richardson on the field, I'm
going to complicate them because I myself as a play caller,

(01:01:53):
I'm going to be tantalized by the potential of the
big play and not keeping myself self limited to what
is efficient and more simplistic. And as long as I
have Daniel Jones as my quarterback. I know my own limitation,
and thus I'm going to call a smarter.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Game probably, And he keeps going back to, you know,
the operation of seeing everything and like how much did
that the failed Bullitz pick up impact it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Like did he just it's got to be huge, Eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
It just felt like that even from that, even before that, Jake,
that the thought was that Daniel Jones was going to
be the starter and and Anthony Richinson had to prove
that he was, you know, ready to be the starting quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
I saw it the other way around, though, in all honesty,
and I know that you know clearly now I was wrong.
But I really did think, and I think most people
did that when they signed Daniel Jones, that it was
still and I remember saying this, I said it repeatedly
on this show. I said, if Daniel Jones is the
starter week one, it's not mean to be because he

(01:03:01):
won the job. It's because Anthony Richardson didn't. Because I
felt like their default all along was going to be
the guy that they selected where they did, and that
they were still trying to tap into that youth of
Anthony Richardson. But but I really do think that the

(01:03:22):
that Shane Stiken, the more he saw Daniel Jones didn't
do anything to blow anybody away in the preseason exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
He didn't do anything to blow anyone away. But he
didn't do anything to blow it away. Correct that that's
great to blow it up, right, Yeah? And I think
I just think the more the more he saw it,
the more Shane Stiken thought to himself, you know what
slow and steady wins the race? You know, to use

(01:03:53):
a really bad analogy? Do I need to have the
sound already?

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I'll let you when I once I say the analogy.
If it's a really bad one, Eddie, I will let
you use the fish vacuum cleaner, bad analogy sounder? Okay,
But when I was a kid bay back in my day,
but years ago, in the Indianapolis five hundred mile race,

(01:04:18):
Buick was an engine manufacturer that was entered in the
race predominantly in the late eighties, and Buick was unbelievably fast.
The Buick engine had this horse power that was unbelievable,
and Jim Crawford ran a Buick and Roberto Guerrero set
a poll record in the Buick and the Buick. You
knew the Buick engine was flat out fast, but it

(01:04:42):
never lasted five hundred miles until Allenser Senior did it
once the anomaly in nineteen ninety two. He went all
five hundred miles in the race in his Buick engine.
But the reason that initially teams bought into the Buick
because they're like, the straight line speed of this thing
is unbelievable, and its ability to pass is unbelievable. But

(01:05:03):
as time went on they realized, but it's less reliable
than an Illmore engine or one of the others that
we can have to put inside of our car and
lat because in order to win the race, you've got
to finish the race, and you've got to be there,
and you can't have mistakes that happen like an engine

(01:05:25):
going out, an engine failure, or something that leads to
a long pit stop over the course of time, because
while it might be sexier and it might be faster,
and it might jump out at you in terms of
the speed chart over the course of five hundred miles,
you've got to be able to go with what is
more efficient and reliable. And so therefore nobody won the
race in the Buick because people got away from it

(01:05:45):
because they realized that it never lasted the entire totality
of the way. And it seems to me like perhaps
Shane Steiken realize that Anthony Richardson was the Buick engine, faster, stronger,
pop out at you. For sure, all the intangibles on paper,
but when it comes down to it, over the course
in the totality of a four quarter game, little things

(01:06:08):
pop up that either lead to a bad pit stop
or completely self inflicted. Can't last all five hundred miles
and you're having to go to a backup engine anyway.
And Daniel Jones, I think Daniel Jones is a you
didn't play the bad news or the bad analogy sounder?
Does that mean you actually thought it was decent? Okay,

(01:06:28):
thank you. I think Daniel Jones is a great story.
Nothing against Anthony Richardson at all. But when I go
to Colts games, and I'll do it on I'll do
it on Sunday. When I go to the game, one
of the things I look for is I look for
what jerseys people are wearing when they walk in the stadium.
And you can tell there are certain franchises, as we've

(01:06:49):
talked about, that you're like, man, that franchise isn't a
world hurt because everybody walking into that stadium is wearing
a jersey of a guy that played fifteen years ago.
And when I walk into Colts games now, I'll probably
see some Shack Leonard jerseys on Sunday, fitting because he's
going to have his retirement ceremony. But I'll probably see
some Marvin Harrison jerseys and Reggie Wayne jerseys, and lord knows,

(01:07:13):
you know a ton of Peyton Manning jerseys and Dallas
Clark jerseys and Gary Brackett jerseys. Even more recently, dare
I say it, maybe the occasional Andrew Luck jersey, Jack
Doyle jersey, But what I have not seen necessarily is
a Daniel Jones jersey. But Daniel Jones actually is probably

(01:07:36):
the perfect jersey to wear if you are a fan
of the Indianapolis Colts, because he kind of represents Indianapolis
in general, and that is the fact that you know,
just kind of know who you are. And one of
the things about this town that I love is we
know who we are. We're proud of it, but we
know who we are, right And I think Shane Steichen
looked at him and so far, it's worked, and the
guy has been He doesn't say a lot. He's not

(01:07:58):
an overly, he has a cop, but it's about him.
I think he had to earn the trust of the
rest of his teammates because he doesn't strike me as
the kind of guy that is walking into a you know,
operationally right. I don't think he's walking into a quarterback
room like all right, fellas, let's go. I'm here, I'm
the guy. I don't think. I think he just comes in,
does his job, gets there a little bit early, brings

(01:08:20):
his playbook, knows it, and I think he earned the
respect now of his teammates. And I think I think
members of the cult really like Anthony Richardson as well.
I don't think I think he's a bad guy at all.
As a matter of fact, there are probably some of
them that with Daniel Jones, you know, they it took
him a while to really trust him and understand who

(01:08:42):
he was and what he's all about. It's kind of
like something that happened to me in college. College is
about learning life experience, which which time in college Jake,
excellent question. Excellent question, or talking about the one where
you just go situated like two years ago or the
first time when you went to Kansas and then came

(01:09:04):
back home went t Have you ever seen video of
the Hindenburg disaster? No? Okay, well, I mean it's terrible
because I think there were multiple fatalities, but it's the
Have you ever seen the led Zeppelin logo? Yeah? Okay?
The Hindenburg disaster very representative of my freshman year of
college at the University of Kansas. But something did happen
to me there that college is about life learning experiences,

(01:09:27):
and I think I learned something and saw something that
allows me to better understand and appreciate the twenty twenty
five Indianapolis Colts. So I'll explain what I'm talking about
Matt Taylor going to join us, coming up to thirty
jt the Brick in thirty five minutes. But I will
get into what that life lesson was and how it

(01:09:48):
applies to Daniel Jones next. So this song, that's right,
Brass Monkey, you hear us reference And by the way,
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(01:10:10):
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Chris Love in particular. Does if if anybody out there

(01:10:31):
here my voice knows John or Chris Love in particular Chris,
they're twins. He does the greatest dance to brass Monkey
by the Beastie Boys that he invented in the eighth
grade of all time. If you're ever around Chris John
Love and just say look and put brass Monkey on
your phone that song, and he will do the greatest
dance you've ever seen. For what that's worth. So when

(01:10:52):
I was in college, I was a freshman in college
at the University of Kansas, and I went out when
I was a senior in high school. And this was
actually probably one of the biggest mistakes in my life.
But again, college is about learning, right, It's about learning
life lessons, it's about it's about so much more than

(01:11:13):
the academics of it. I think the biggest thing you
learn in college is just about people. But when I
was a senior in high school and I went out
to visit Kansas, I met a couple of guys that
were part of a fraternity there and they're like, hey,

(01:11:36):
do you want to You know, we want you in
our fraternity. And so I thought, Okay, great, you know
this is gonna be great. I can have friends right away.
And so instead of organically going through what most kids
do in college and living in the dorms, I went
immediately into it right away. When I when my parents
dropped me off for college, I was living in a
fraternity house. I was a pledge in the fight out

(01:11:57):
to day of fraternity and so, and my parents now
have told me that when they were driving away, they
like were on I seventy before they'd even got into
Kansas City, and I think both of them looked at
each other and said, this is not going to go well.
And I've always appreciated that, even though they knew that
I had to go through that on my own. I

(01:12:18):
had to learn that on my own. But when we
were so I get there and as a pledge class,
you know, we were there like two weeks before school
before classes started, so we had to do all the
things that you do when you were a pledge and apporternity.
We're getting up every morning and cleaning the house and
brass swing doorknobs and landscaping. I mean it was. It

(01:12:39):
was brutal and the whole you know, I have no
idea we can do a whole different talk show on
what the purpose of those things are. But nonetheless, But
so that was before the classes began, and then once
school began, they added two members to our pledge class.
So these two guys show up and our pledge class

(01:13:03):
and we've now got to continue doing all the same stuff.
But there's these two new guys that they're like, okay,
these are your teammates. Now what So one day and
like we hadn't had much sleep and whatever else. And
I remember one day one of these two guys said
or did something I didn't like whatever, and I completely

(01:13:23):
snapped and I'm like, look, you know, I don't know
who you think you are. But we've been in here
toiling this whole time. We've been working hard, we've been
doing all this stuff. We've had to go all through
all this stuff for like a month before. You guys
just got air dropped in and we're told now that
you're like part of our pledge class. Well, you're not
part of the pledge class in my opinion, because look

(01:13:45):
at everything we've gone through and what you're just going
to walk in now and be air dropped in and
soak in the fun of being a part of this class.
And we had to kind of work our way through that.
I mean, you know, whatever I think with Daniel Jones,
I can now see. I think it took a slower
period because the Colts in general, and through the Anthony

(01:14:08):
Richardson experience and experiment to an extent, the rest of
the roster was trying so hard to and I think
they like Anthony Richardson. I mean, I think he's a
likable guy, but they wanted so badly for it to
work with Anthony Richardson that they went through all the riggers,
all the growing pains, all the ups and downs and
the yo yo and the scrutiny and the and everything

(01:14:30):
that comes with having a young quarterback that you're trying
to build around, you're trying to win for, and then
all of a sudden, this guy just comes in in
Daniel Jones, and it's like, wait a minute, We've gone
through all this other stuff. Who are you You think
you're just gonna come in and like just because you
sign a contract now all of a sudden, like you're
the guy that's going that we've all got to just

(01:14:50):
accept as the same members of the foundation of the
rest of this pledge class. And yet Daniel Jones just
like like Blake and Richter, those are the two guys' names.
I won't say first or last names, but those two guys.
Eventually I realized that it was it was on me.

(01:15:11):
I was the one being immature. And I'm not saying
the Colts players are being immature. I'm saying once I
really looked at their situation and realized that they didn't
It wasn't their fault that they were added late or
whatever else, then I was like, you know what, I
get it, and so we kind of found the common
ground and they became great. I mean, they were great guys,

(01:15:32):
great guys. I think in sport in general, it represents
life and the fact that when you go through something
and then all of a sudden, there's like, you know,
everybody has that coworker that like you know, did you
hear they just hired a new guy in accounting, This
Mark guy. I don't know anything about him, but like,
and for the first couple of weeks, people are like, Oh,
that's the new guy. You know, that's the guy they

(01:15:54):
let Bill go. And then Mark's in here and then
you work with him and you're like, you know what,
this guy's a good guy. Like here's what he brings
to the table, and you know, wow, he's really good
at this or that. And I think that acclamation period
had to happen for the Colts, to be honest with you,
and I think it took place over the course of
training camp and a lot of Daniel Jones. The credit
for Daniel Jones is the fact that I don't think

(01:16:16):
he came in with a all right new sheriff in
town guys. He he just seems to be a more understated,
quiet guy, professional and he himself had kind of gone
through his own PTSD in New York with the Giants,
and he was basically the thing I think that we
forget is that Daniel Jones is the New York Giants
Anthony Richardson. I mean, he's the guy in New York,

(01:16:40):
right now, I guarantee you on sports talk radio people
are like, you know, for three years they were having
the conversation about Daniel Jones that we've been having about
Anthony Richardson of like, yeah, we see the glimpses, we
see the flashes, but when's it all going to come together?
And I think he came in here knowing that that
oddity of he could relate to what Richardson was going through,
but he also knew that like it was brass tax

(01:17:03):
time and get down to it, and he's got an
opportunity here, and he's got a second lease and he's
and I think it took a while, but I think
the rest of the roster, the rest of the franchise,
the rest of the locker room realize that over the
course of time by just watching how he goes about things.
And that's what Shane Steichen talks about when he says

(01:17:23):
it's about operational, it's about what takes place above and
beyond what does he say, it's beyond what takes place
on the field. It's the analysis and the acclamation period
of just people of new face, new new change, and
then putting yourself in the situation and the position of

(01:17:44):
thinking about what their standpoint is, what their viewpoint is,
and I think the rest of the roster when they've
done that with Jones, they've said, you know what, I
get it now, and he's earned the respect of his teammates,
and I would like to think that he has a
I think most people now are on board. And Eddie,

(01:18:04):
we were coming off a game where he had two
turnovers and they lost, and we'll see again if that's
the anomaly. But if it is and he continues to
play like he did the first three weeks over the
course of time, I do think it is possible that
a guy that was I think theoretically brought in to
push Richardson may in fact they found their answer beyond

(01:18:25):
this year. But that all comes into negotiation because he's
getting ready to go into a year with a new contract,
not unlike a new contract for an entire league of players,
of which the straw mixing all of that negotiation is
literally like six blocks from where we are right now.

(01:18:49):
And that athlete talked about it earlier today and we
now can play that for you, which we will do next.
And JT the brick from the Raiders standpoint in twenty
so the players of the WNBA don't just want their MTV,
they want their fair share in the WNBA. That's the reality.
And as I mentioned earlier, I think what we are
seeing here and again, to put it in a cliff

(01:19:12):
note version, the players of the WNBA have a collective
bargaining agreement, the Players Association. That is the agreement that
was settled upon with the ownership groups of the WNBA
in terms of the amount that they're get paid the
television contracts, et cetera. That collective bargaining agreement is set

(01:19:33):
to expire in twenty twenty seven, but the both sides
have agreed to a new negotiation because of new television revenue,
sponsorship revenue, et cetera. And that negotiation has a deadline

(01:19:54):
of the end of this month. So they are right
now in the midst of negotiating a new on tract
between the WNBA owners and the league itself and the
players Association. The players are looking for the same thing
that most people are in their place of employment. More money,
better benefits, more coverage for things like you know, obviously

(01:20:19):
you know, childcare, maternity leave, those sorts of things. Okay,
in the last week, what we have seen is one
of the WNBA's biggest stars. Nafisa Collier holding a press
conference in her player exit interview and discussing and bringing
to attention some of her what she believes to be

(01:20:43):
a league wide frustration with, notably the commissioner of the WNBA,
Kathy Engelbert, and she brought Caitlin Clark's name into the equation.
Here is Nafisa Collier with that statement, if you will,
earlier this week.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
This past February, I sat across from Kathy and asked
how she planned to address the officiating issues in our league.
Her response was, will only the losers complain about the refs?
I also asked how she planned to fix the fact
that players like Caitlin Angel and Page, who are clearly
driving massive revenue for the league, are making so little
for their first four years. Her response was, Caitlyn should

(01:21:22):
be grateful she makes sixty million off the court, because
without the platform that the WNBA gives her, she wouldn't
make anything. And in that same conversation, she told me
players should be on their knees thanking they're lucky stars
for the media right steal that I got them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
So Caitlyn Clark today talked and again she is an
epicenter piece of all of this because of the revenue
that probably is attached to her transcendently. But this is
Caitlin Clark's reaction, if you will, to the statements from
or the statement from the FISA Collier.

Speaker 7 (01:21:57):
First of all, I have a lot of great respect
for fee and I think she made a lot of
very valid points. And you know, I think what people
need to understand, you know, we need great leadership in
this time across all levels. This is straight up the
most important moment in this league's history, what this league's
been around for twenty five plus years, and this is
a moment we have to capitalize on. So that's honestly

(01:22:20):
what I would say. I think there's you know, FISA
at all with what she said. And you know, I
think the points she made were very valid.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Okay, the other thing that was addressed there, and I
get it. What we are seeing here before our very
eyes is no different than what you see at times
in the NFL or the NBA. The NFL and the
NBA have billions, billions of dollars of television contract and

(01:22:51):
we long ago accepted it was a massive deal when
George Foster got a multimillion dollar contract for the New
York Mets. It was a massive deal with Nolan Ryan
made a million dollars a year in Major League Baseball.
Those contracts and those salaries now within the NFL, in
the NBA. You know, I remember Eric Dickerson walking off

(01:23:13):
the field as a cult saying they're paying me a
million dollars a year to carry the ball thirteen times
when he was frustrated with his touches. But even then,
but since then, the numbers have gone astronomical. So we
already long ago were almost desensitized as a fan base
to the money that's thrown around amongst those leagues. It
is new to us to think of the money that

(01:23:34):
is involved within the Women's National Basketball Association the WNBA,
But the revenue is now starting to increase in terms
of the amount that's within the pot to be divvied up.
So what we are seeing before our very eyes is
a public tug of war for positioning between the commissioner,

(01:23:57):
whose job it is to represent the owners and get
the best deal for them, and the players whose job
it is as an association to make sure they're getting
the best deal as well, this is a public power
play right before our very eyes. The one thing amongst
many you could say, where Kathy Engelbert aired in my opinion,

(01:24:20):
was when she talks about and brings into play the
notion that the WNBA is the vehicle by which Caitlin
Clark is able to make a lot of money. The
reality is Caitlin Clark is the vehicle by which the
w NBA is allowed to make a lot of money.

(01:24:40):
And that goes no further than to look at the attention.
Caitlin Clark was already a transcendent name and star within
sports in this country, not women's sports sports when she
was at the University of Iowa. She was a major
star at Iowa when the dots were connected that she
was going to become a member of the Indiana Fever.

(01:25:01):
We sat, I did with Jimmy Cook, Eddie you were here.
We sat at the NFL combine with writers from the
NFL and did an entire show that day talking about
Caitlin Clark. Scott Long came on to talk about how
she's the tailor swift to basketball. All of that from
the NFL draft because she was already that transcendent a

(01:25:23):
star at Iowa, and the thought that the WNBA is
what is the vehicle in the platform that allows her
to make that money is ludicrous. Caitlin Clark could be
playing right now in one of the other league's Ice
Cubes League or whatever that she got invited to play into,
and she would be making the same level of endorsement money.

(01:25:44):
Here's Caitlyn Clark addressing that aspect of this conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:25:48):
I think that's probably the way in which the league
has probably changed over the course of the last few years.
You know, these kids and what they're making in college
these days is pretty insane. It's honestly, probably more than
what I made. Obviously, a lot has changed even since
I've graduated, so I'm not one hundred percent up to
date on the exact numbers of what college kids are making.

(01:26:09):
But you know, obviously I was very fortunate after my
freshman year of college. That's when I began working with
you know, different brands, and you began working with Nike,
and you know, everybody knows my first and ile deals
with HIV, the greatest grocery chain of all time based
in Des Moines and Iowa. A baby so best chocolate

(01:26:30):
long John's around. But you know, I think that's the
way in which, like, you know, people, young women are
coming into this league now with that type of you know,
I don't even want to say it's money, but they're
beginning to build their brands in college and then they're
bringing that to the WNBA. So I think that's just
a way in which the league has changed and will
continue to evolve. And like back to my main point.

(01:26:52):
You know, like I said, we are in the biggest
moment in WNBA history. There's no denying that. Everybody knows that,
and everybody that's in a place in power has a
true responsibility, and even myself, we have a responsibility to
make sure that this game and is in a great
place going forward with the CBA and you know, caring

(01:27:13):
for our players and you know, building this league to
make sure it's in a great spot for many years
to come. Because you all know, I grew up as
a huge fan of this league and I'm going to
do everything I can to make this the league that
you know, a five year old, a ten year old,
a fifteen year old, a girl in college is really
proud of to come into and to be able to

(01:27:35):
put a WNBA uniform on, and you know, that's what
they dream of and then hopefully they can accomplish that
goal because that's exactly who I was, and that's you know,
really at the end of the day, like I hope
that's what my legacy can be, is just how I
impacted the impacted people to be able to to maybe
want to be in the WNBA, but to really just
achieve whatever they want to achieve.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
And again, and by the way, Longs Donuts Hive is
a pretty good grocery store, but Long's Doughnuts probably make
the best donuts or chocolate Long John's or whatever it
was she said there. But the point taken, yes, she
is correct. She was making that money at Iowa. I
remember the Iowa IndyCar Race when she was a Hawkeye,

(01:28:18):
and I'm there at the race and they're like, oh,
Caitlin Clark is here. Oh okay, yeah, she's here on
behalf of High Ve. And at that time, I'm thinking, really,
but that was right when nil began and she was
already the face of High Ve. And then you get
into Nike and Gatorade and the rest of them, and

(01:28:41):
that was when she was a college basketball player and
I get the fact that the w NBA has to
present themselves as you know, please be aware of or
understand what we are doing for you the athlete. But
at this point the Fleet is correct in saying no, no, no, Now,

(01:29:04):
it's about what we are doing for you the league.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
And mainly what she has done for the league.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Just look at the past year, two years. Well, you've
got Caitlyn Clark in the Indiana Fever playing an NBA arena.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Correct, And the the yes, the television numbers alone, the
television ratings alone, are you know, she is in fact
and you know what a big thing happened this year,
and the fact that look at what how far her
team went when she was out, And I mean that

(01:29:36):
is a credit to people still paid attention, Yes, because
the people were now introduced to the rest of that
roster because of Caitlyn Clark, and so people realize, oh, wow,
Kelsey Mitchell is really exciting to watch. And that then,
by the way, the best to her on the recovery
of what turned out to be beyond just cramping. But

(01:29:56):
you know, a complex issue. I think Ralph Friefel joined
us early next week and we'll get more into what
that could mean long term for Kelsey Mitchell in terms
of the injury, and credit to that phenomenal training staff
for recognizing early what could have been worse. But you know,
Kelsey Mitchell and Odyssey Simms and Leah Boston and the
rest of the players in the league. People looked at

(01:30:17):
it now and they're like, oh wow. You know, I
might go into the hive for the Long John's chocolate donuts,
but then I realized there's a whole bunch of other
stuff in this grocery store I really like. And that's
what's happened. JT. Brick, works Radio for the Raiders, joins
us to talk about Raiders Colts next two o'clock in Indianapolis,

(01:30:39):
but that matter, it's two o'clock everywhere in the Eastern
time zone. My name is Jake Query. Eddie Garrison the
other voice you hear on this program. We call it
Query and Company. Here on ninety three five and one
oh seven five the Fan Colts and Raiders at Lucas
Oil Stadium coming up on Sunday. Our next guest needs
no introduction, but I will provide one. Nonetheless. He is
with Raider Nation Radio n twenty AM in Las Vegas,

(01:31:01):
but he is also synonymous with Sports Talk Radio. He
does a daily show from noon until two, Vegas time.
JT the Brick joins us to talk about the upcoming matchup. JT,
how are you.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Thanks for having me? Buckle up your audience. This is
nothing less than a must win for the Raider nation.
We have our back against the wall on steroids. We
have to win this game. We have to win this.
I'm not into this must win blah blah blah. Must win.
If Raiders lose one in four with guys like Max Crosby,

(01:31:36):
Rock Bowers, Ashton Jenky, Pete Carroll, our new minority owner,
Tom Brady, this was not expected. And we're going up
against Daniel Jones. We got Geno Smith, who's always been
better than Daniel Jones until this year. Mysteriously, Raiders have
got to get out of Lucas Oil with a win.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Okay, so let's begin with Gino Smith, because I j T.
I'm gonna be honest with you, and you and I
talked yesterday, and I think Daniel Jones to some extent,
there's a little bit of people here would like to
see a Geno Smith thing. And what I mean by
that was change of scenery. Suddenly you realize a guy
was better than perhaps what his first opportunity showed for him.

(01:32:19):
But Gino Smith is now turning the football over again.
What is it about, whether it be schematically or just
Smith himself that has caused him now to be prone
to throwing the ball away?

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
Great question. You know we opened up Raiders opened up
in New England and he was really good. So his
first game with the Raiders got off great in a
rain game outdoors, because Gino is a different quarterback indoors
than outdoors. Believe it or not, he played in Seattle
or he's made his bones, so he's supposed to be
good indoors. But as Tampa two two high safety scheme

(01:32:52):
that teams have been running at him or a safety
comes down in the box and tricks him, he's been
thrown into tight window. And you know this, if you're
throwing to a guy who's open, you're not gonna throw
interceptions because guys are open unless it's a deflection or
a pit ball. Gino's trying to hit these guys in
tight windows, and when he's doing it, he's just off.

(01:33:14):
He's just off by half a second. And his safeties
have been making pretty good plays on him, So no
excuses here. The thing that Jake which is troublesome to
me is he's such a good player when he's in
a common environment and he's got a little bit of protection.
The bad news for the Raiders going into this game

(01:33:35):
is that Colt Miller's down and he's one of our
best players since Oakland. He's He's a left tackle who
should have been a Pro Bowler. He's just one of
the top five left tackles in football. He just went down.
He went on ir and now it's going to be
really tough to fill his needs. But the Raiders are
coming off a game against the Bears where Pete Carroll,
who I interview exclusively every week, told me one of

(01:33:57):
the first times he looked at the tape and said, man,
we play well. We lost by one point on a
block kick. It happens Indy had the same issue on
the leverage play against Denver. But Pete's pretty excited that
he's starting to see the team he wants to see.
But they got to get a win because now now
it's hitting to the point where Raider Nation and Raider Nation,
with all due respect to the Colts fans Raider Nation

(01:34:19):
can get a little bit more angry than the nice
people of the Midwest at Indy, And that's what I'm
fighting off right now.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
You know, It's fun Actually it's funny JT. Because when
the Raiders, you know, when they moved there, I remember
thinking to myself, I still think of the Raiders obviously
of like you know, black Hole Oakland Raider Nation, and
I know they were in LA too, but I'm like,
if there was one place for them to move that
just seems perfect. It's Vegas, right, I mean, just Vegas.

(01:34:47):
Everything about Vegas and the Raiders just seems to fit. Right.
But and in terms of this roster, let's talk about
Ashton Gent because now he's starting to fit. I think
he's starting show what we expected to see out of
him when they took him. But are they just now
starting to more incorporate him because he's gotten his footing

(01:35:10):
or is it because of necessity because they're having to
kind of take things away a little bit from Geno
Smith's danger situations of dangerous passing situation.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
No, they tried him every which way. It's really simple
to compare it to Jonathan Taylor who's a great player.
And you've been through this with Jonathan Taylor over his careers.
If the holes are open, he's gone. If the holes
aren't open, he's not. And with Ashton Genty, it's been
hit or miss. The games where he's had holes to hit,
he's hit him beautifully. Like Ryan Clark took such a

(01:35:45):
deep thirty hit at Ashton Genty a couple of weeks
ago on ESPN where he said he didn't have the
hit factor. And I don't mind Ryan Clark overall, but
it was such a dirty, cheap hit on a kid
who couldn't get back to the line of scrimmage because
the offensive line couldn't get him a hole, so he
was getting blown up. Well, look at the tape of
last game. He hits the hole and he's gone, and

(01:36:07):
he's making plays in the passing game. So it is
a good example in this game here. I don't know
how great the Colts' front is, but the Raiders offensive
line played really well last week and it's about time
they've been awful. If they can get him to the
second level on some linebackers, Genty'll make guys miss and
also truck a safety and he'll run over a corner.

(01:36:28):
But I mean, you got to be licking your chops
in Indy because if you look at the tape, half
of the plays or three quarters of gen D's attempts
has been a defensive tackle hitting him two yards deep
and blowing him up. And if that happens again, it
puts Gino in third and nine, third and eleven, third
and twelve. And the real bummer about this going into

(01:36:50):
this game is Brock Bowers because he's gonna play. And
I wish you guys could see Brock Bowers for the
first time at one hundred percent, because it is fascinating
to see this guy play. What a gift from God
that the Raiders got brought Bowers in the draft a
couple of years ago. But he'll have a knee brace
on and he hasn't been able to click just yet.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
You know, it's interesting because JT, the brick by the
way out in Vegas is our guest. I think to
an extent, what Colts fans would like to think JT
is that they have seen a version of Brock Bowers,
and they've seen it in the form of Tyler Warren.
Because I think that's obviously what Indianapolis. The blueprint was
kind of there. In terms of Brock Bowers. I wanted

(01:37:29):
you to speak to our audience about, you know, Tyler
Warren and the ability to have that kind of a
tight end and what it does to your offense to
kind of soften a defense. You've seen it with Bowers
when he is at one hundred percent. How much of
a game changer is that to the versatility of your offense.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
Yeah, it's incredible. It's a great question because Bowers is
a new version of that. I'll take it out even
further than George Gittle because when the Niners had good
receivers at one hundred percent, when Brandon Ayuk was playing
at a very high level, and they just had receivers
who are really good and then a great tight end,
it changes everything. The Raiders have Jacoby Myers, who is
a very good number two. Trey Tucker had a three

(01:38:12):
touchdown game early. He's a pretty good player, but not
super elite. Now with Pittman and Warren, if you had
another receiver like a t Higgins, per Se or just
another store, it just opens up everything because you have
to decide on doubling the tight end like Travis Kelcey
in his prime, you had to double him and that

(01:38:32):
opens it up for a receiver. So for Brock, they're
not doubling him here so far this year because he's
just not one hundred percent when he is and they
double him, then it opens up lanes for the running
game and it gets another receiver in single coverage. So
I think the Colt's got to be really happy that
they have an elite young tight end that can open
up the game, and especially in the red zone, because

(01:38:54):
I lose my mind. I do the pre and post
a lot of other things for the Raiders, and the
only thing that bothers me in game is when they
get away from Bowers. Like last week, we had a
first in goal on the seven against the Bears to
go up two scores, to go up nine, the game
would have been over. On first and goal from the seven,

(01:39:14):
they ran genty into the pile for a one yard loss.
On second and eight they ran genty into the pile
for a three yard loss. Then it was third in
goal from like the thirteen or fourteen, and they didn't
even look at Bowers who was wide open. Look at
the tape in the corner of the end zone. They
checked down underneath to Dante Thornton. He dropped the ball.

(01:39:35):
It was a catchable ball. The Raiders kick a field
goal end up losing to the Bears when they had
the kill shot right there to put the game away,
and they didn't give it to Bowers. And I'm going
to say the same thing about Warren with you down
the road. When you have an opportunity to get the
ball to Warren at the five yard line, you better
do it because he's an elite player who can make
a play. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Actually, what happened at the end of that game, JT.
I think you jinxed it because you sent a tweet
and said the Raiders have a chance here to score
and put this away.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
Yeah. Yeah, don't follow me on Twitter during the game.
I'm sure my bosses are looking at me in the box. Done. Oh,
here he goes, he's two boxes down. Here he goes.
But you know, but guys, for this game really a
quick thing. Daniel Jones, I grew up on and raised
a Giant fan. In my former life, it's year twenty
eight with the Raiders, so my allegiance with the Raiders.

(01:40:25):
But my dad is eighty seven years old and he's
a diehard Giant fan and you always tell me Daniel
Jones is so good. He's such a great athlete. He
can run, but he was a turnover machine and even
though he didn't have great teams with the Giants, he
would personally shoot the team in the foot by throwing
it to the other team. It's nice to see he's

(01:40:45):
not doing that anymore under Shane Steich and that they're
giving him the opportunity to be good because he's a
really good runner. When he takes off and there's no
one in front of him, it's beautiful to watch because
a lot of people don't give him credit for that.
He's really good and open space.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
So when in that in terms of that space, JT
before we let you go defensively, the Raiders are susceptible,
where if you're Shane Steichen, you're trying to take advantage
of what defensive weakness for the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Corner because the Raiders. Pete Cherrell, it's really unique what
he wants to do. Pete Cherrell comes from the Legion
of Boom Correct Legion of Boom Earl Thomas Richard Sherman
camp Chancellor, and he built the Legion of boom and
he wants that specific type of player six' two corner,
thumping hitting. Safety he's got the. Safety Jeremy chin played

(01:41:34):
for The commanders last year in THE Nfc, championship good,
player And Isaiah, pollamal who's another good young. Safety problem
is a. Corner they don't have. Corners they Have Eric
stokes who came from The packers decent and Then Kyu
Blue kelly Or Darien porter who were. Young so every
game we've played so far this, year four of them

(01:41:54):
were one in. Three there's a gift touchdown to the other.
Team there's just one play broken play thirty yards sixty yard.
Touchdown whill you scratch your head and, go, oh you,
know a young kid just gave up a. Touchdown that
can't happen in this. Game they got to clean that.
Up SO i think that The raiders know that you're

(01:42:14):
going to try to run the, ball and if The
raiders can't stop the, run the game's. Over if The
raiders can Take taylor out of the game for a little,
bit because The raiders are pretty good so far, statistically
it's stopped in the. Run other than The commander's, game
which was just a throwaway stack. Game then they'll put
the pressure On Daniel. Jones we won In Raider nation
For Daniel jones to beat. Us we don't believe That Daniel,

(01:42:38):
JONES i, know And i'm not talking for the, Team
i'm talking for the. Fans we don't believe That Daniel,
jones who's been a turnover machine his whole, life can
throw for three point fifty and four. Touchdowns if he,
does you know where to find. Me we got to
hope That Daniel jones gives us the ball one or
two times in this, game so we can eke a
game out and get on the plane and come home

(01:43:00):
two and three going Into, tennessee which gives us three and,
three and now the later nation is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
Stabilized your dad, believes your dad BELIEVES jt. Heyes before
we let you, GO i wanted to ask you, this
AND i can't remember if we if we had you
on to ask you this. Before but being In, Vegas
i'm assuming that you see SOME unlv Football purdue, obviously
AND i like so far What i've. SEEN i know
the win loss doesn't show it just, yet BUT i

(01:43:28):
like What i've seen out Of Barry odom because he
looks like a guy that is going to have a
team that doesn't do what you're talking about of shooting
themselves in the. Foot how much impression did you get
from him during the time he was AT. Unlv he was.

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
OUTSTANDING a matter of, fact we were pretty bitter because
it's a really different topic that we should do on a.
Podcast how DOES unlv not draw from this multi billion
dollar entertainment capital of the, world all this nil. Money It's, vegas,
right we got everything In vegas and he left to
Go todue and we're, like wait a. Second we Love,

(01:44:02):
purdue it's at a bigger. Conference we get. It but
he had this team almost in the playoffs last year AT.
Unlv Dan mullen took over his. Team Dan mullen's A
tv guy and a GOOD dax coach and coach To.
Florida now THE Unlv rebels are four and oh and
owed him had a lot to do with. That those
are his, players most of. Them he is a, gritty

(01:44:24):
no nonsense. Guy only At purdue can spend some money for.
HIM i, mean Looks purdue's got to put their big
boy pants on and say that if we're going to
stay here and compete Against michigan In wisconsin And Ohio.
State we got to raise some. Money and if you
do and you get him better, players he'll coach him.
Up he's a very, good hard nosed, coach gets the
most out of a. Roster J.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
T you appreciate the time as, always, Man it's always
good to catch up with. You we'll see what. Happens sounds. Like,
defensively this is going to be like The Spider man
On Spider man, mean because The colts susceptibility is also
in the attricia that'shit their defensive, Backfield so the corners
is a question mark for Certain so one of those
two's probably licking their, chops whether it Be Geno smith
Or Daniel, jones but certainly appreciate. It safe travels to,

(01:45:07):
you all.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
Right, Yeah i'll leave you on this. Note, Guys Max
crosby's worth the price of. Admission he's having a Defensive
player of The year awards. Season he's not. Good if
you got a ticket to the, game Watch Max crosby ninety.
EIGHT i think he'll you'll be blown away by an individual.
Effort we'll see who wins the.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
Game thanks for having, me, guys appreciate. IT jt The
brick joining us From Las. Vegas good stuff. There good
stuff on Bary odam as. Well AND i agree with
that about you, know the nil aspect From purdue is you,
know that's a whole different talk, show, right just in
terms of every. SCHOOL i mean you think about, it you,
know when you look at schools AND i get. IT i,

(01:45:45):
mean that's a whole as he, mentioned that's a whole
podcast in, itself right because of just the way it
works now of college athletics and one year rentals essentially of.
PLAYERS i, mean you have no idea how long you're
actually gonna have players and what they're going to transfer
and go to greener. PASTORS i don't. Know And eddie
think about like the smaller you, KNOW unlv for that.

(01:46:07):
MATTER i mean he's, right UNLV's got to HAVE nil
money out there with all the money out, there, right
but think about the The wyomings of the, world The
San Jose, state The, Pokes Appalachian, State polks got the
they GOT unlv coming up this. Weekend by the, way
you know those, schools how do you compete with? IT i,

(01:46:27):
mean you, know the The Horizon, league for, example AND
i love The Horizon league and yesterday during you, know
sitting there for media day for The Horizon league in
basketball and and really good, players AND i THINK I
U indy is going to Be and we can get
more into this in a little, bit BUT i think

(01:46:49):
they're going to BE i think they're going to be
fun to watch this.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Year they're gonna be, Interesting. Jake you, know allegedly they
want to do like hockey subs like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
Five and five. Hours that's SO I U indy is
going to be in basketball this. YEAR i think they
have the potential And i'm not saying that this level of, win,
right but they have potential to be kind of like
The Indiana state story of what it was two years,

(01:47:17):
ago because they have so, here you have a coach
And Ben hallett that comes over From West liberty and
you Go West. Liberty, well he was like two hundred
and seventeen and thirty seven or something like that during
the time that he was, there and he runs The
grenelle Slash Old Loyola merrymount offense of go, go, go go,

(01:47:38):
go and five guys on the floor at all time
with just constant. Rotation to your, point almost like hockey,
rotation and you, know you look at it and you
think about players that you have on that, roster and you're,
like this is, awesome and people are going to want
to come and play for, it and you can you
can just go and you got to trust your teammates

(01:47:58):
and whatever. Else but if you have guys like what
happened With Indiana state where they have a big year
and then you, know you lose your coach in that,
SITUATION i. Realize but schools that then bigger schools that
come along and, say you know, what you, know we're
going to give you fifty, grand one hundred, grand whatever
it may. Be how do the smaller schools like that?

(01:48:21):
Compete and In purdue's, case as he's talking, ABOUT i, mean,
Yes purdue's going to HAVE niow, money but they're not
going to Have, Michigan Ohio, State Penn state level backer
money because of just the branding that goes in and
the merchandising with those programs and what those schools can

(01:48:41):
do and et. CETERA i, mean it's the wild Wild
west for, certain no question about. It and then and
in some ways it's a balancing act because you can
get players on a one year rental or whatever, else
but you have like a year to cash it in
and then the next year you're doing all over. Again
and basketball certainly more so even than in, football because in,

(01:49:02):
basketball one guy can change your whole, thing, RIGHT i,
mean no question about. It but you, know it's an
interesting point he, makes just in terms Of Barry odam
And vegas and now you know what's going on With
purdue in. General indiana off this. Weekend they've Got oregon
coming Up Austin. Stadium that is going to be next,
weekend and that gives you AND i Think oregon Is

(01:49:25):
oregon off this weekend as.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
WELL i think they, Are, yes they.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
Are AND i you, know For indiana and how many
times have we said this in the last, season but,
again is this the biggest? Game and you know program,
History well we we had like three of those last, year,
RIGHT i, mean it's it's it's seemingly every year every

(01:49:51):
week now For. Indiana but that's what happens when you
get into the top. Ten and LIKE i said the other,
day If indiana were to, win that's good news for.
Them then later in the, year if they're able to
hold serve and go Into Penn state ranked in the top,
ten automatic win Because Penn state can't beat anybody in
the top ten at. All right with the four and
twenty one Under James franklin against the.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Top, Ten, yeah they're.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
Horrible that's, rough, right Very but back to The raiders
And colts game And Geno smith And Pete, Carroll AND
i do Like Geno, smith but he's right in the
fact that you, know you forget that When Gino smith

(01:50:32):
really got his consistency it was In seattle where he
was playing With Pete. CARROLL i, mean it's not like
this is a new. Marriage they are certainly familiar with one,
another what they can, do what needs to be. Done
and The raiders ARE i watched That bears, game AND
i mean they had that game one on like five different.

(01:50:57):
Occasions but what separates not good teams from good or
great teams is good to great teams win the games
they're supposed to, win and win the games that they.
Control and they controlled that game until literally the last
i mean three minutes to his, point they had the game.

(01:51:18):
Won and that was A, Listen indiana was a bad
beat to use that. Term and if you're a, Gambler i'm,
not but if you, are Oh, Man indiana And iowa
was a bad. Beat it was brutal because of the
safety at the end of the, game just to run
the clock, out which swung the point. Differential, yeah the
punter could have stopped on the eighteen yard.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
Line.

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
QUARTERBACK i thought it was the. Punter, no it Was. Mendoza, okay,
Right i'm certain it. Was wasn't. It he took the
snap and just ran into the end zone and then
took the knee in the end zone to run the clock.
Out i'm almost certain it. Was Maybe i'm, wrong but either,
way and then you have the you know that game

(01:52:02):
with The. RAIDERS i mean they're lining up for a field. Goal,
yeah it was like a fifty four yard, er but you,
know in the bear's, block it game. Over but they
had that game, won man. Brutal this week in THE
nfl is interesting because if you do AS i, do
like a one of the with my, buddies we do
a pool where we do confidence. Pool, yeah and there

(01:52:25):
are some weeks you look at it and you're, like,
man this is an impossible. Week this week looks like
knock on. Wood but it looks like an easier. Week
there are a lot of games that just seem to
be like foregone. Conclusion when you look at, it you're,
like it's just just not great. Matchups BUT i you, know,
listen that's that's why they play the, games, RIGHT i

(01:52:45):
mean that that. Much we know it's the beauty of THE.
Nfl but the The colts defensively getting in into the
backfield as he was talking, about and trying to stop
the run for it. DEVELOPS i, mean that's an area
that seemingly is a strength for The. Colts do The

(01:53:06):
raiders scare, You? Eddie do The raiders when you think
of The? Raiders do you think of this as a
matchup that is overly daunting or are you is it?
Confusing to? Confusing is the wrong? Word is it? Enigmatic
BECAUSE i, said LIKE i, said The, RAIDERS i think

(01:53:26):
to his, point we thought were going to be better
at this point than they, are right or at least win.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
LOSS i think it's another one of those games where
you just have to take care of. Business like The
cults are better than The. Raiders good.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Teams it's a game that good teams, win, right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Yes and like if The colts are just If Daniel
jones just goes out there and do what he did
weeks one through. Three takes care of the football just
like a point guard distributes it to wherever the ball
needs to go. To the open guy be able to
run the ball. Effectively With Jonathan, taylor eventually he'll break
a big one like he has in every game this,
year and the defense holds, serves they're able to get

(01:54:02):
To Geno, smith and the creates any creativity Of lou
And rimo and the, coverage you, know scheme and disguise
is able to Confuse smith and forced a couple turnovers than,
BOOM i mean.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
The, turnovers, Right it's gonna be, key all. Right, well
The colts obviously yesterday had a. Retirement they got another one,
big another big retirement coming up On. Sunday we'll tell
you about both of. Those And Matt, taylor the voice
of The, colts joins us. Next so let's get right
too With Matt, taylor the voice of The. Colts colts
And raiders coming up On sunday At Lucas Oil. Stadium And,

(01:54:35):
Matt i'll begin with AS i think we probably do
each week with, you and that is simply a medical
update if you, will those that we think are now
going to be in and those that we are still
waiting to find out whether or not you're going to
be saying their name On. Sunday.

Speaker 6 (01:54:50):
Yeah for The, COLTS i, MEAN i think right, Now
Kenny morris, PROBABLY i don't. KNOW i don't want to,
speculate BUT i wouldn't be shocked if he didn't. Play
i'll just put it at, that missing another game kind
of a hybrid injury between his calf and. Achilles Alec
pearce is trending in the right direction right still has
to clear those five stages of the concussion. Protocol he

(01:55:13):
is back to practice this, week so that's good, news
and we'll see where his status is later in the,
week and you, know, tomorrow and THEN i don't know
if perhaps you, know the independent neurologists as they like to,
say would get involved either late tomorrow Or, saturday depending
on how things. Go and then outside of, that not
really injury, related but just in terms of, personnel you

(01:55:34):
know what's going to happen at cornerback now Without Xavier
howard and his availability and him retiring and so a
lot of shuffling perhaps going on to the back end
on that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
Secondary by the, WAY i don't know about, You, matt
but with, me oftentimes when something's dinged up AND i
go to the, doctor they tell me my injury is
hybrid Because i've got so many muscles they can't tell the, difference,
right isn't That isn't that the side of an elite
athlete when your injury is a hybrid athlete or a
hybrid and dreaming the problems that you.

Speaker 6 (01:56:02):
Have to deal, With jake to the normal, people don't
it's just. AMAZING i.

Speaker 8 (01:56:06):
DON'T i, don't that's.

Speaker 6 (01:56:07):
RIGHT i don't know how you deal with, It that's.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
Right that's.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Right uh, Okay so let's speak of how you deal
with that exactly what you just mentioned in you, know
now Having xavier And howard out of the mix and
so therefore and again with No Kenny moore at the nickel,
spot and you got to kind of reshuffle things. Around
that means that That's i'm gonna say slack for lack
of a better, Phrase but we see shuffling around WHERE i,

(01:56:33):
mean who is going to see more reps now in
the defensive backfield For. Indianapolis, YEAH i.

Speaker 6 (01:56:38):
WISH i had the, ANSWER i JUST i don't know.
Yet it's it's a big it's a big question mark
because you, Know kenny's obviously and a little bit of
jeopardy of, playing you. Know So Mike hilton, is, YEAH
i want to use the phrase getting up to, speed
but that's probably a little bit unfair to, him just
because of his familiarity with his defense Under loui An.
Arumo but as it relates to just playing with The

(01:57:00):
colts and you, know getting familiar with the guys around,
him he's still very very, fresh having been signed what Last,
Tuesday SO i think next man up on the, outside you,
know your options there Are Jonathan. Edwards you, know he's
got some local flavor to him because he played a
couple of years In Indiana state before he transferred TO Tu.
Wayne AND i thought he had a really, good uh

(01:57:21):
training camp in. Preseason you, KNOW i thought if you
would have asked me the odds of him making the
team coming out of training, camp BUT i would have
said probably, none you, know just considering the depth The
colts had at that. Position but as we, know that
depth's been tested because the, injuries and he's, uh you,
know put one foot in front of the other and
walking through that door of. Opportunity then you've Got Makai.

(01:57:42):
Blackman you, know he can play on the outside and play,
nickel BUT i think The colts probably prefer to play
him more on the outside at this. Point and then
on your practice squad you've got Chrys lamont and some other.
GUYS i, mean obviously the mons has got the most, experience,
uh just in terms of not only playing, experience but
just familiarity with you, know the guys that he would

(01:58:03):
be you, know potentially around on defense in the back.
End so, YEAH i think that is the biggest question
mark surrounding this team going into week five is you,
know who plays in the, secondary who do they trust
and what roles are these guys put.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
Into you, know it's, Funny, matt you Know, blackman who
was a guy that was a late acquisition via trade
just before the roster was, set and at the time
you just thought it was an insurance. Policy but it
goes back To. Matt you, know you just can't have enough,
corners can. YOU i, mean it just seems to be
more and more in THE nfl in twenty twenty. Five

(01:58:40):
it is a position of massive.

Speaker 6 (01:58:42):
Attrition, WELL i, mean think about what they've done in
the last six seven, weeks you, know since training. CAMP
i Mean Jalen jones goes, Down Juju brince goes. DOWN
i Mean brince isn't even here. Anymore you, Know Jalen
jones is still ON ir with one more week with that,
designation able to come back next, week so we'll, see you,
know they bring In, blackman they bring In, lemon's they

(01:59:04):
bring In Xavian, howard just out of necessity because they've
just been hit so hard at that. Position so, YEAH
i think to your, POINT i think corner is probably
a spot that routinely gets dinged up just because of you, know.

Speaker 4 (01:59:18):
It's a very physical.

Speaker 6 (01:59:20):
Position you got to cover, guys but you also have,
to you, know play strong in a box at, times
and you've got to tackle on the outside a lot
of times depending on formations and. Scheme you, know you
have to come in and set the. Edge so you
just take a lot of wear and. Tear but bigger
picture than, That, jaco it just seems, like for whatever,
REASON i think a lot of teams can attest to

(01:59:40):
this and they've experienced, it but it just seems like
if you're on a football team going into a, season
there's just that one, position, Right it's just the one
position that just gets. Hammered and you, know unfortunately for
guys Like Chris ballard And Ed dodds and some of
the personnel folks within The, colts the problem is you
just don't know going into the training camp what position

(02:00:00):
that's gonna. Be but inevitably it always seems like just
one position just gets hammered more than any. Others, uh you,
know a couple of years ago as wide receiver and
now this year it's it's certainly.

Speaker 4 (02:00:10):
Cornerback.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
Matt you were able to Call Matt taylor our guest
as The colts And raiders get set On Sunday Lucas Oil.
Stadium you know you were able to call the touchdown
For Tyler warren, obviously but when you know by him
lining up in the, backfield and you, know we knew
that that was going to be SOMETHING i think that
was going to be in the. Cards do you anticipate
that we're going to start seeing that with more regularity
and not just even in short yardage. Situations regularity is

(02:00:36):
maybe the wrong, word let me rephrase, that but but you,
know not it's not going to be the anomaly play if.

Speaker 6 (02:00:41):
You, Will, NO i don't think. So, YEAH i MEAN
i think it's going to become the regularity to your
point in short, yardage, DEFINITELY i definitely think you're going
to see that on third and short or goal line
or gotta have play in the red. ZONE i, mean
think about. IT i mean he lined up in three
different positions plays in a, row, right he had. TO

(02:01:01):
i think it was first down he lined up at tight.
End second, down then line them up at at quarterbacks
and the, wildcats and then third down they give it
to him on the belly lining up at full back
in the. Backfield so if my math is correct on
all of this so far this, year he's lined up
out wide as a, receiver he's lined up as a slot,
receiver he's obviously lined up as an inline blocker as

(02:01:24):
a tight. End he's lined up at full, back he's
lined up at, tailback and he's lined up at.

Speaker 4 (02:01:28):
QUARTERBACK i, mean.

Speaker 1 (02:01:29):
It's, unbelievable right it. Is but you know that WAS
i mean that's How Penn state used, him, RIGHT i,
mean this isn't. It we knew it going, in but
to see it at THE nfl level is really something
for a.

Speaker 8 (02:01:40):
Rookie, yeah it really.

Speaker 6 (02:01:42):
Is AND i think it's gonna be fun for this
game On. Sunday you're gonna have both he And Brock
bowers on the field at the same. Time and you,
KNOW i kind of joked. INTERNALLY i, said, Well Brock
bowers is you know he Was he was last year's
version Of Tyler, warren And Tyler warren is this year's
version Of Brock.

Speaker 4 (02:01:59):
Power.

Speaker 6 (02:01:59):
Right you, know it's fun to see the versatility and
just kind of like that old school mentality of football
where guys are asked to block and run and, catch
and you, know they're doing it all and they're making
it look like they're playing cyo football out there because
they're going both ways seemingly and catching the ball and
just showing off their skill. Sets so it's really really

(02:02:21):
fun to. Watch but, YEAH i do think that you're
going to see even more creative ways to Get Tyler
warren the. FOOTBALL i, MEAN i just go back to
That denver game AND i think we may have talked
about this last. WEEK i, mean it's, incredible incredible to
me that the same guy who lined up as fullback
and crammed it in on a two yard short yardage

(02:02:41):
first down conversion in that, game and then he did
that On sunday against The rams as, well near the
goal line for a. Touchdown but the same guy who's
doing that is also lining up in the same formation
in the backfield next To Daniel, jones and is you,
know going out for a pass and running a deep
over and catching the ball downfield.

Speaker 4 (02:03:00):
For forty yards like?

Speaker 6 (02:03:01):
That just that's that that doesn't to your, point it
should not happen at THE nfl, level but it. Is
and that's how special this guy. Is and you, know
crazy to think. That already he leads THE nfl in
receiving yards among all tight. Ends and this is the
one that just gets. Me he has the most receiving
yards by any colts player, ever regardless of, position through

(02:03:25):
their first four games in franchise. History so already seven
seventy receiving yards in three out of his first four,
games and just the sky's the. LIMIT i know that's,
cliche BUT i think it's true For Tyler.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Warren how soon until we get like The Derrick henry
jump pass From Tyler, wayren BECAUSE i mean former quarterback
it's going to be in the playbook somewhere for him
to throw a pass in a trick.

Speaker 1 (02:03:44):
Play that is the.

Speaker 6 (02:03:46):
Next, Step. Eddie you're exactly, Right that is the next
evolution of all this is we've seen him, run we've
seen him, catch we haven't seen him throw just. Yet
former high school. Quarterback, YEAH i mean maybe like a double,
pass you line them up out, wide you put blockers
in front of them to give him some time to
throw it behind a line of, scrimmage or we do
The Tim tebow jump passes the line of, scrimmage you,

(02:04:07):
know near the goal. Line wouldn't be shocked at all
to see any of those.

Speaker 1 (02:04:10):
Things you know what Those, Matt what that's all listed
as is, Hybrid, right that's.

Speaker 6 (02:04:14):
It just like, YOU i, mean you're you're you're a
turn three and ounter you're a talk show host and
you're also that you, know you're like you're Like Cordell
stewart on the.

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
Football you're, like we've we've exhausted the areas in WHICH i,
hybrid BUT i do.

Speaker 4 (02:04:34):
Hybrid.

Speaker 1 (02:04:35):
Right, hey what defensively, speaking you know when we talked
about the, corners the reality is, this and that is
that they're going to be going up against an offense
in The raiders where we just talked TO. Jt The
brick about. This you, Know Geno smith has been turning
the ball over and maybe that means they become a
little bit more reliant on the run, game AND i

(02:04:56):
Think genti's starting to show why he was selected where he.
Was but in terms of The colts and their run, Defense,
matt how would you critique it to this point and
are they going to be able to get penetration to
make that hit behind the?

Speaker 6 (02:05:10):
Line, yeah so, FAR i would classify it as pretty.

Speaker 4 (02:05:15):
Good it also may be a little bit. Incomplete and
the reason WHY i.

Speaker 6 (02:05:20):
Say incomplete is because if you look at the splits
so far this, year The colts have been offensively getting
off to such a good start and getting big leads
in the first quarter and you, know maybe going up
by two scorers by the middle of the second, quarter
that it's putting a lot of stress on the opposing
offense to get back into the game and they're having

(02:05:41):
to throw the. Ball, so you, know the numbers allowed
by The colts defense is pretty. Good but if you
look at the, minutia like the yards per, carry that's
not where they want it to, be if that makes.
Sense so you, know they're not seeing the volume of
runs like they did last year when they couldn't get
off the field on third down and the offense wasn't
doing a very good job of gaining the lead in

(02:06:04):
the first.

Speaker 4 (02:06:04):
Place so that's WHY i say it's a little bit.

Speaker 6 (02:06:08):
Incomplete but you, Know Hyrian williams ran really hard the other,
day and for the most, part they did a good
job on.

Speaker 4 (02:06:15):
Him he still had some leakage.

Speaker 6 (02:06:16):
And some runs where he busted out for some big,
games but you, know for the most part they did
a good job on him And Blake. Korum but you're
right on Genty. Man he looks like a beast and
he's a lottery pick top ten. Guy and ADMITTEDLY i
didn't watch a whole lot Of Boise state last, year
So i'm kind of playing catch up on him to

(02:06:37):
the draft process and just watching him on. TAPE i,
mean this guy runs so hard and embraces. Contact there
was some viral stat going around prior to their game last.
WEEK i saw where you, know he obviously busted out
for like, wow buck forty against The, bears but prior to,
that in his first three games of the. SEASON i

(02:06:59):
read where one hundred percent all of it, right one
hundred percent of his rushing total on the season in
the first three games came on yack yards after. Contact
and that's just because he's a physical. RUNNER a BUT
b the offensive line wasn't doing a very good job
of opening up holes so he can get down the

(02:07:19):
field before he's you, know embracing tacklers and linebackers and
things like that in the second. Level so they're down
they're starting left Tackle Colton. Miller that is huge for,
them you, know talking to some of their people that
cover their, team you know they talk, about you, Know
Geno smith is you, know obviously instrumental in the passing.
Game genti's instrumental in the running. Game but maybe their
most important, player you, know guy that that they could

(02:07:44):
most ill afford to lose Was, miller.

Speaker 8 (02:07:46):
And so he's ON.

Speaker 6 (02:07:47):
Ir that's a big break for The. Colts so hopefully
they can generate a pass.

Speaker 4 (02:07:51):
Rush and get After Geno.

Speaker 1 (02:07:52):
Smith, Now, Matt i'm not Saying i've gotten old or,
soft But i'm gonna be honest with. You, uh the
only THING i get after contact is. Leakage and a. Yak.
RIGHT i, mean that's that's the difference, age that's the
difference between that's my hybrid right, there, right.

Speaker 6 (02:08:07):
All the, buzzwords you just collect, them that's, right and
you it's like a.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
Hodgepot, okay let's be real here in. Conclusion AND i
KNOW i probably say this to you every week because
it's one of these weird THINGS i have when it
comes to The National Football, League but let's be, real,
especially AND i don't know what the color, scheme which
one they go with this, weekend but the helmet design
and if they're wearing the black jerseys for The, raiders
probably as strong as any in the. League.

Speaker 6 (02:08:32):
RIGHT i could not agree, more could not agree. More
And i'm also partial to it because my head football
coach At Franklin college WHERE i, played he modeled our entire, program, uniforms, playbooks,

(02:08:53):
logo you name it after The. RAIDERS i mean all of,
yeah all of our.

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
But they're they're never Isn't franklin blue and. Gold we.

Speaker 6 (02:09:02):
Are BUT i mean if you looked at our, jerseys
they were plain and simple like The, raiders big block.
Letters we had a shield in the style of the
of The. RAIDERS i mean he didn't Say raiders on the.
Shield we had a shield that looked just like The raiders.
Logo our OFFENSE i think was Called Raider. FORCE i

(02:09:22):
don't know what the obsession was with The, raiders but
it's just to your, point it's a classic look and
one of the best brands in terms of professional. FOOTBALL i,
mean it's just it's. Unmistakable you.

Speaker 1 (02:09:34):
Know, Actually Franklin, college WHEN i think of, THEM i
think just win, baby, RIGHT i mean that's.

Speaker 6 (02:09:37):
It's when The red fought run and Shoot Raider.

Speaker 8 (02:09:41):
Force there you.

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
Go all. Right Matt taylor will be on the call
On sunday and we will be listening to. It matt
appreciate the time as always my.

Speaker 4 (02:09:49):
Pleasure, guys have a good.

Speaker 1 (02:09:50):
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Speaker 8 (02:11:03):
Afternoon so he is here.

Speaker 1 (02:11:04):
All, right fair. Enough, see usually the beer faery arrives
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Shots and Also jake with the. Crossover we've got a
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Speaker 8 (02:11:24):
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Speaker 4 (02:11:25):
Jake how you?

Speaker 8 (02:11:25):
Giving?

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
Man?

Speaker 1 (02:11:26):
Jimmy what's?

Speaker 4 (02:11:27):
Up?

Speaker 8 (02:11:28):
Hey telmo's that time of?

Speaker 4 (02:11:29):
Year Is? Jake?

Speaker 1 (02:11:30):
Hey, listen you're fired up for the, pacers aren't?

Speaker 7 (02:11:32):
You?

Speaker 9 (02:11:33):
JIMMY i, am AND i understand it might be the
only one in Game bridge On november, third actually cheering
For Miles turner for a. Minute when you when you
play your triput, videos.

Speaker 8 (02:11:45):
You know, what he probably will be the only. One,
yeah he probably.

Speaker 3 (02:11:48):
Will he's gonna do that, Video, jake and his ass
is gonna get.

Speaker 8 (02:11:52):
Booed, Yeah and he's.

Speaker 1 (02:11:54):
Trying to walk it back a little. Bit but he's
doing it about as well As xavier And howard did
the last couple of games going, backwards, RIGHT i, MEAN.

Speaker 3 (02:11:59):
I think he's getting that sound advice from the reps
Of Victor ola.

Speaker 8 (02:12:03):
DEPOT i think at this point right, now.

Speaker 1 (02:12:05):
You're you're right about, that no, question all, Right so
what do you guys got lined up over the next couple?
Hours really?

Speaker 8 (02:12:11):
Quick another recognizable, Voice jake right? Here voice hell Ol,
Jake this Is Derek.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
White how you?

Speaker 4 (02:12:16):
Doing?

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
Eric are you? Now? DEREK i got to know this.
Man uh do you In october when they're not, playing
which is doesn't happen, often do you put The brave's
hat up for the for the fall or do you still?
ROCKET i still.

Speaker 10 (02:12:30):
Rocket it's been a long time since they have not
made the, playoffs So i'm waiting for. Basketball you know,
what der have a New we do not have a
brave New braves coach coming. IN i don't know who's
going to.

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
Be, listen you need to get yourself for A rebels hat,
though Because Old miss had a pretty big win over
over last weekend in. Football so you're good in that
toddy number Four. Rebels i'm ready to. Go there you?
Go they? Are they up to four man lane kiffins.

Speaker 10 (02:12:53):
Too high and it makes it they're too high and
it makes me very nervous that they're going to flop this.

Speaker 1 (02:12:56):
Weekend well who do they have this? Weekend who's? All
who Does Old miss have this?

Speaker 10 (02:13:02):
Problem you know WHAT i think it's too, lane so
we shouldn't didn't have too much trouble with.

Speaker 1 (02:13:07):
You you're finding that regard no. Question all, Right, Derek
you're in charge of babysitting the guys. Today? Okay is that?

Speaker 10 (02:13:12):
Cool that MEANS i can't drink the free samples that
will be flowing with here and.

Speaker 1 (02:13:18):
Heels you're, good of, course enjoy, well Put jimmy's in.
Charge jimmy's in charge of. Babysitting, uh all, Right, john
we'll throw it out to you in a couple of.
Minutes you guys have. Fun that'll be a ton of
fun parks place up In fisher's awesome. Location john will
be with you there for the remainder of the. Day
we'll be back with you and. TOMORROW i Think Stephanie
white's gonna join us tomorrow and we will of course

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