Colts/Ravens Joint Practice + Fever Preview! Stephanie White Joins!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So back to where it all began, essentially for the Colts,
because they are in Baltimore. Have you been to Baltimore,
Eddie Garrison.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I have not. I've not been to the East coast,
the Furthest East I've been. I guess technically I've been
to the east coast is the South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I like Baltimore, and the Colts are there, of course
with their joint practices with the Baltimore Ravens. As a
matter of fact, that gets underway just about an hour
from now, and then of course the scrimmage on or
the preseason game on Thursday night. That will give us
indication where things stand, perhaps at the quarterback position. I

(00:42):
don't mean that it would give us indication on who
is going to be their Week one starter, but it
probably will give us indication just exactly if, in fact,
Anthony Richardson has made stride where Daniel Jones is because
it is the first time that they will be seeing
a defense under which they are relatively unfamiliar with tendencies

(01:02):
and personnel and formations and schemes and etc. And you
would rather, as I have said, have Anthony Richardson be
looking promising at this point than you would have him
coming out and throwing in the dirt on a regular
basis or sailing over receivers on a regular basis. However,

(01:25):
there has been a little bit of each truth be told,
he has more often than not looked like he is
showing progression. But then each time there are two steps forward,
there seemingly is a half a step or a step back. Now, Jake,
there are two quarterbacks, and this is an open quarterback competition.
Daniel Jones is there as well. I get that. But

(01:48):
with Daniel Jones what we have seen is a more
consistent idea of who he is, a more accurate passer,
but not near the level of like tools within the
toolbox that you get with Anthony Richardson, and so you

(02:10):
almost kind of just defer or default to Okay, Jones
is there, and we know that he is ready to
go if need be. But that is going to be
if in fact, Anthony Richardson is not showing us what
we want to see, because he is still, as I've said,
the incumbent, and he is the guy that they have
put a lot into. DJ Giddens apparently is getting some

(02:32):
more rep at the running back position. Obviously, that's Jonathan
Taylor's position. But in terms of the backup running back
spot or somebody that can be used in different situations,
you know, we've seen that even though Taylor is capable
of being an eighteen nineteen hundred yard back, you have
seen the possibility for a Gidtons to go in there

(02:56):
and or someone at that position in spell or do
different looks books. You know, Goodson obviously gets some looks
in that as well. That's one of the things that
we will look for. But good afternoon to you. My
name is Jake Quarry. You just heard the voice of
Eddie Garrison. It is Quarrying Company here on a Tuesday
on ninety three five and one oh seven five. The
fan look forward to two days from now our golf

(03:16):
outing out at the Legends Golf Course and things being
finalized for that, all to benefit Franciscan Health Foundation, and
that is something that we very much look forward to
to see those of you who have signed up and
are going to be out there. We look forward to
the fun and hijinks that will take place and then
also doing our shows from that location. Tomorrow I will

(03:38):
be actually at the Great Indiana State Fair once again.
This time for the Governor's Cup. You've heard us talking
about it over the course of the summer all of
the county fairgrounds, with the Indiana Sires Cup taking place,
and now the Governor's Cup, which is the culmination of
all of it at the State Fair. And we will

(03:58):
be out there tomorrow broadcasting the show for that. The
Fever are in action tonight. They are in Los Angeles, correct, Eddie,
You are accurate, they are indeed, So it's going to
be a late night for you, I guess, Jake as
the pre and postgame host for the Indiana Fever. But
as one of our commonalities, it's always a late night
for us, Jake, we never go to bed before two am. Well, now,

(04:21):
just so people know that those are in separate locations,
Fever looking for six straight and Stephanie White, their head coach,
going to join us coming up just about ten minutes
from now, as a matter of fact. And they may
be playing and obviously when you're on a win streak,
it goes without saying that means they're playing well. But
they really have in the last week and a half.

(04:44):
And the easy narrative, of course is to look at
it and say, boy, ever since Kaitlyn Clark's been out
look at how they're playing. Clearly you would rather have
Caitlin Clark on the floor than not. But I keep
going back to something that Carolyn Peck said, which I
think is a really good point. Carolyn Peck, who of

(05:05):
course was Stephanie White's coach in college and is now
a television analyst, when she said, without Kaitlyn Clark on
the floor, the fever become a bigger challenge to game plan.
It's not to say necessarily that it means that they
are a better team, but you do have to be

(05:26):
more careful if you're guarding them on where exactly they're going,
because they mix it around a little bit, and they
probably more so than you know that when it's Kaitlyn Clark. Okay,
what we do know is that is the one player
that it is going to. Most possessions are going to
start with her and oftentimes finished with her. And it's
a much bigger you know, like head on the snake

(05:49):
to keep an eye on. But without Caitlin Clark there, Admittedly,
now they are they have found a balance, and it
takes a while to find that. It does take a
while to find that but there's a lot to talk
about with Stephanie White, which I look forward to getting
to coming up here just a couple of minutes from now.
As a matter of fact, we're gonna do things a
little bit differently today, but Stephanie will join us just

(06:12):
under ten minutes from now. Eddie, did you do anything
fun last night since we were last together?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I mowed the grass, Jake, That's what I did. That's
why I did last night.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Didn't you say you're allergic to grass? Am I rolling
on that?

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Pollin how long did it take you to mo your loan?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
It was a little bit longer yesterday because I had
to do some weed picking up. So really, yeah, I
go to pick up some weeds. Does you normally go
to Michigan for that? Nice well played? Cannot confirm nor
deny that, you know. There's also there are other states too.
Riding more push more? A guy push yard is not
big enough for a riding more. Okay, fair enough, not

(06:48):
to mention I enjoy the physical labor of walking around.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Fair enough. I watched a little baseball last night. This
is you watch the Phillies? Okay? I didn't know if
you're watching Little League baseball or not. So I okay,
another topic there. This is a very slippery slope. Okay,

(07:11):
I will not lie about this fact, and it's going
to be an unpopular opinion because I understand the enthusiasm
that people have for youth sports.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Do we have enough time for you to get into
this show?

Speaker 4 (07:21):
No?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Okay, let me finish, Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
But I want to get into this later today because
I have kind of this like moral dilemma where I
know that I'm on an island by myself, and I
know that my opinion would not be a popular one.
But I did watch some of the Little League World
Series last night and I have many, many thoughts on
that many and I have them every year. But we'll

(07:46):
get into that later today, because I am open to
the fact I'm not. It is not my intention ever
on this show to be, you know, some vociferous lamb
blasting flamethrower. I'm smarter than everyone else. I just it's
not my style. Okay, I joke about it sometimes, but
it's not my style. But I do have an opinion

(08:12):
on the Little League World Series that I am curious
whether or not my opinion is the popular or unpopular
opinion because I don't know. I just know that I
feel strongly about it. But when I was watching it
last night for a bit, I did see a kid
that when he came to bat and it lists his
favorite player. His favorite player was Sean Casey, And I'm like,
is this a time traveler?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
There was a twelve year old who said his favorite
movie was The Notebook.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
The Notebook though at least, I mean, that's weird, but
the Notebook at least you can watch. I mean, I'm
not saying you can't go back and watch old games
of Sean Casey, but you know movies today. I mean,
your favorite movie could be Star Wars, right, well, that
came out forty five years ago. But Sean Casey retired
from baseball, what eighteen years ago? Seventeen years ago?

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Let me look.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
And this kid was twelve, So I'm like, you know,
that'd be like me saying my favorite baseball player was
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
He shout out to his parents though, parents raising him, right.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I guess. I mean, son, We're just gonna go ahead
and watch more DVR of Red's games from ten years
before you were born.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, two thousand and eight was this last year in
the mas.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Kid was born in thirteen. It was five years before
the kid was even born.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Can you guess what team Sean Casey ended his playing
career with Pirates? No Red Sox? Yes, how about them? Apples?

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Me and that twelve year old have that in common.
I also sit around watching Sean Casey stuff. But no,
I watched The Phillies last night, and I have a
question about Kyle Schwarber later in the show as well.
But we're gonna do it quick to get to a
quick recess because Stephanie White will join us on the
other side, and we have a lot to talk about
Fever going for six straight there in Los Angeles. What's
the latest on Caitlin Clark. That's probably one of the

(09:52):
first things that will ask when we talked to her next. Now,
we had mentioned with Indiana Fever head coach Stephanie White
when she comes on, it's we let coach White pick
the music right because with all due respect, and I've
always heard that Garth Brooks literally is apparently like the

(10:13):
nicest performer of all time.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
And if you remember, Jake, when we had this debate,
the first time we had Coach Wight on, we were
trying to guess who she had blasting in our car
radio her send year of high school, and Garth Brooks
was my guest. I think that's right, and I think
she said that was a possibility. But here's the thing.
I think she wanted that song because and it's it's
not necessarily that she would claim that we're friends, but

(10:38):
she does know that I'm in low places. I think
that's what that means, and that's why she selected that song.
I don't know if I should take this as a
compliment or not, but I should be flattered by the
fact that it is nine fifteen, I believe it on
the West Coast and Coach White joining us on the program, Coach,
how are you?

Speaker 5 (10:53):
I'm good? How are you?

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Excuse me? You know what? We're good? I just swallowed
the wrong way.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
But other than that, over the song.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, that's right. It's that song's allowed for me to swallow. Admittedly, Hey,
let's get to this, you guys right now, maybe the
hottest team in the league, just in the in the
way that you're playing. And I was thinking about this
as I was watching the game in Seattle, and each
time the storm kind of got things close, and that

(11:22):
crowd got going. I thought it was Tosh Howard that
really made big plays for you guys. So it was
facilitated by others, but it was like different game, different night,
and you never know which one it's going to be
that is your go to. And so I'm curious from
a coaching standpoint, what has led to kind of this balance,

(11:44):
if you will, of being able are you are you
schematically picking different players each night that you're saying this
is an area we can exploit or is this just
speaking to the depth you guys are now being able
to show.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
I think it's really speaking to the depths that we're
able to show number one, and I think number two.
You know, we certainly know that that teams are going
to game plan for Kelsey and for Ab and so
how do we, you know, manipulate coverage, so to speak,
to try to get sammeathy buckets to loosen them up.
And you know, Tash is a great off ball cutter.
She finds the seams, she finds the gaps. Oh, you know,

(12:19):
she kept a lot of plays alive on the offensive glass.
You know, she had some really tough finishes and you
know those finishes and her ability to get loose allowed
ab to get loose in the fourth quarter, because then
they couldn't stag off atash, they couldn't help onto a B.
And so you know, she's really timely and her ability
to find those seams and her teammates do a great

(12:40):
job of getting it to her.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
How impressed have you been and how satisfied have you
been from a coaching standpoint in the professionalism of Aery
MacDonald to come back into a situation and maybe not
even know just how much was going to be expected,
and now to be really kind of a glouopy for
you guys here during this stretch.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
Yeah, she has been. And you know, Aery comes back
and expects to play behind, see no doubt, and and
and with with with Caitlyn's injuries, she's been She's been
thrown into not just the starting role, but you know
her the role where we need her to make plays
on both ends for us, and and she's really stepped
up to that. And you know, she's so fast. She

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changes the way we play because of her speed. Her
decision making, you know, has been really good. And when
to get to the rim, and and and and when
to find her teammates. She adds another downhill driver. Prior
to having Airy, really Kelsey was our only downhill driver,
and she adds another downhill driver driver that gets defenses
in rotation for us, and she sets the tone for

(13:43):
us on the defensive end of the floor. I've just
been really impressed with not just the way that she's
come in and produced, but the way that she's managed
the team from the point guard position without having gone
through training camp and just being thrown into the fire.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Fever and action tonight taking on Los Angeles, their head coach,
Stephanie White joining us on the program. Coach I wanted
to We've talked before about the fact of kind of
parlaying your knowledge from your playing days into coaching, and
you know, situations and things like that when you go
back to your days as a player and you had

(14:16):
to play for different coaches, which is a bigger challenge
or which do you think when you look back on
his was harder to do in the moment, being a
player that had to adapt to different styles that the
coach wanted, or being a coach that has to coach
differently to the different responses a player has.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yeah, you know, I think it's changed so much because
back in those those days. Back in those old days,
it was more about a coach's system and players fitting
into that system. I think now it's about coaches adapting
to what kind of players you have and you and
manipulating a system to fit them. So I think it's

(14:59):
it's a little of both. You know, certainly, it was
difficult at times to to play for a lot. I
played for a ton of different coaches three and four
years in college. I played for one, two, three, four, five,
and in the in the W as well, So it
was an adjustment. But it is a challenge now because
players are better than they've ever been, that they're more

(15:19):
versatile than they've ever ever been. The game has changed
so much and and and you as a coach have
to adapt your your system and what you're looking for
to to who you have on your team and and
how to best utilize each player on the floor. And
you know, certainly for us, we have a lot of
different pieces, and we played differently, you know, with a

(15:40):
group that we have right now than we do sometimes
when when Caitlyn comes back and when Caitlyn plays as well.
So it's a challenge. But I think that that's one
of the things that I love about this game is
that it is a chess match, uh, and you have
to try to figure out how to how to put
the pieces in position to be successful and and and
it's it's it's a good challenge. It's it's one of

(16:02):
the things that I loved as a player is the
IQ portion of it, the x is and o's portion
of it. And it's one of the things that keeps me.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Motivated every day.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
How do we how do we put our team and
our players in positions to be to be successful?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
How do you as a coach? How long does it
take for you to really know the personality and the
way a player responds? You know, because player A may
be one that needs to be challenged daily. Player B
maybe one that does not respond to that at all
and rather needs to be trusted, and that's how they

(16:36):
best respond. And the coach's job is to kind of
know which players need to be pushed, and which players
need to be pulled, and which players need to be padded.
As a coach, how long does it take you to
really get that feel of the personalities of a team?

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Yeah, it takes some time, and you know, quite honestly,
you can't even really do it in practice as much
as in the game, because practice, as much as you
want to try to simulate game situation, it doesn't adequately
simulate the pressures, the moments, you know, the the the
ebbs and flows of a game. And so you can

(17:12):
with some players early and just really get a sense
of of of what they need, and some of them
it's it's in the moment. It's it's being able to
do it through experience. You know. I feel like by
All Star break we had we pretty much had a
had a sense of of of most players on our team,
but a lot of it's just you know, I say
this all the time about about players and playing. It's like,
you you know, there's no substitute for experience, and it's

(17:34):
the same in interactions with players. There's there's just really
no substitute for the experience that we get through through
playing together, through adverse dealing with adversity, through being in
time and score situations on the floor. You know not
just who to get the ball to and who takes
the shot, but who can facilitate, who can inbound the ball,
who can handle the pressure of the moment, Who do

(17:54):
you need to pour into you know, who do you
need to challenge those kinds of things happen throughout the
course of of the season, and you know, we've we've
had a pretty good idea of some of them prior
to coming in, just based on experiences that we've had,
but the others we've had to really get to know.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Have you seen the movie Coach Stephanie White is our
guest Fever and Action tonight, taking on Los Angeles there
and seek of their sixth straight win. Have you seen
the movie Miracle about the nineteen eighty Okay, so spoiler
alert for those that haven't seen it. You know, there's
the famous scene where Herb Brooks is making them continue
to skate shifts after a game where they were not

(18:32):
getting his message, and then finally Michael Rusi a Eruzioni,
shouts out, you know, Michael Rouzioni. He says, who do
you play for? He says, I played for the United
States of America? And it's the moment that you know
you're supposed to realize the team's gotten it right. The
epiphany is there. Have you guys hit that point this year?
And if so, is was there a moment where you,
as a coach looked over the roster and said they're

(18:54):
getting it.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if there's been one singular moment,
you know, I think there have been. There have been
a few instances, you know, certainly putting ourselves in position
to win the Commissioner's Cup and and and do it,
you know, on Minnesota's home floor, you know, dealing with
dealing with adversity and and seeing this group continue to
come together. You know, I felt really pleased when we

(19:20):
were in Seattle, and there had been moments throughout the
course of the season where we have not handled opponents
runs very well. You know, we double digits. I think
they closed a third quarter on a ten to one run.
We got back up in the fourth, Skyler dig into
t an and one to either tie it or cut
it to one or something, and you know, the crowd
is erupting and and the group just came together. They
came together and you could see their their their their

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heads were held high, their chests were out, and it
was like, we got this. And that's the moment that
I'm really proud of because throughout the course of the
season we haven't always responded that way. And I felt
really good about where we were in that moment and
how they came together and how they handled the runs.
I mean, Seattle is a tough place to play. It's
a louder arena, it's a loud environment. That's a really
great team. And I felt in that moment, Okay, like

(20:06):
we get it. We get it now, We've we've handled
this and and we're gonna finish this one out.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
You know. So I was we mentioned yesterday we had
John Nolan on who was doing the radio play by
play for that and I was running Errand's on Sunday
listening to the game as I'm driving in my car
and coach, I'm not kidding you. There were a couple
of times late in the third I think Seattle got
it within four it was almost hard to hear him.
It was that loud, at least coming over the radio.
It was that raucous within that arena. Is that the

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fan base that has the potential to be the loudest
in the w NBA. Is that as good an environment
as you see?

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Yeah, I mean it's always been as good of an
environment from the time I was, you know, playing to now.
It's it's it's a fun environment. It's a good environment.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
For me, you know, it's it's it's crazy because once
I once I get out there as a coach, I
don't really hear a lot anymore. But certainly when I
think about the history of the league, Phoenix used to
be that way as well. I remember back back when
I was a player, that was a place that got
really really loud as well. You know our environment, heck,

(21:13):
the way that we get in our arena too, and
I think that we're seeing that what used to be
a Seattle in New York when they were playing in
the Garden a Phoenix, Uh, now it's happening across the
w and it makes it so much fun to go
into these arenas with these passionate fans and to allow
our players to experience environments like that. I mean, it's

(21:36):
just it's so much fun.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Kelsey Mitchell has experienced a lot of different things within
this franchise coach, and now they're having a lot of success.
Your team is and I've heard stuff. I've heard Sophie
Cuttingham talk about this along with Kelsey Mitchell countless times
this year. Just how special of a group this is.
From your perspective, You've been around the WNBA for pretty
much the last twenty five years. Where does this group's
camaraderie rank within the teams that you've been.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
A part of, Man, I mean they're really tight. You know,
it's I remember our twenty twelve team was pretty tight. Uh,
that's the team that won the championship. You know. I
I don't know that I was ever on a w
NBA team that was as tight as this group and
has such good chemistry, and it's selfless as this group,
and it it really is. This is a this is

(22:18):
a team. Mean, we're deep. And sometimes when you're so deep,
it's challenging because everybody wants to play right and and
and everybody deserves to play in certain moments, but it's
not gonna happen because you have that depth and their chemistry,
their ability to to pull for one another, their ability
to know that it can be anybody's night and to
to feed that person and to empower that person or

(22:40):
those people. You know, it's a selfless group. And we
talk about all the time choosing the we over the me,
and and this is a group that does that and
lives that, and they genuinely like each other. They have
great chemistry. They're a connected group and and and I'm
not sure you know that I've seen a group, a group,
a team in the W that is as connect it

(23:00):
as these guys, and it makes it really special and
fun to go to work.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Coach. I'm going to ask you a question that we
have from a listener here. That's something you and I
have touched upon a couple of weeks ago in our conversation,
but I want to revisit it. And I know it
sounds like kind of a nippick easy thing to pinpoint
when you have a star like Caitlin Clark out, But
I still think it's a good question from Charles, and
he says, I'm just curious. Is there any thought that

(23:23):
perhaps the Fever do in fact have more of an
advantage when Caitlin is not on the court because teams
don't know exactly what player it is that the Fever
will be going through as opposed to the obvious that
she is somebody you'll be going through when she is
on the court. Is there some truth to that?

Speaker 5 (23:41):
I think there's some truth to that. You know, it's
interesting because I compare it to I called a Dallas
Mavericks game before Thanksgiving and Luca was out with injuries,
and I asked Jason Kids very similar question, and I
would say I would answer it very similar to what
he did. It is different. There's some truth to that
in that you don't know who whose hands the ball

(24:03):
is going to be in. You get production. We get
production from multiple players every night, so it's very difficult
for a scouting report to key on one or two players.
Caitlin Clark is always going to be the top of
the scouting report. So when she is on the floor,
yes they know that she's going to have the ball
in her hands. Yes they know that she is a
dynamic playmaker. But because of that, we also open up

(24:25):
other things for everybody else. I think what this group
has has learned and the advantage that it has given
us is that when we get in those crunch time moments,
when Caitlin Clark is on the floor, no one is
afraid to take the big shot, No one is afraid
to make the play, no one is afraid to make
the extra pass because they trust one another. Implicitly, they

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know that one another is gonna is going to step
up in those moments, and because Caitlyn is able to
see that as well, inherently, she's going to have that
trust in her teammates, and I think that it makes us.
While we want to have her on the floor, it
is made us a better, more confident group. She's able
to see that from the sideline and see and she's
a smart player. What are the smartest players I've ever

(25:07):
been around and understand how I can get my teammates
in positions for success. And I know when they're sending
two and three defenders at me that I make the
right play and they're going to get it done. And
I think that that will pay.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Dividends for us.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
And by the way, congratulations to Aliah Boston who has
been named the w NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week.
That announcement coming within the last hour or so. Stephanie White,
the head coach of the Fever, our guest, stephan I
did want to ask you as well. You know your
old franchise that you were part of, the Connecticut son
Obviously you are aware of the reports of their sale

(25:41):
now to an investment group led by the minority owner
of the Boston Celtics, and the report that that franchise
will be vacating Connecticut to move to Boston. I'm sure
that even though you came from Connecticut to hear that,
there is still some part of Connecticut, you know, within
your heart just your overall reaction to that news.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Yeah, you know, first and foremost, you know, the Meet
and Sun Tribe and and the Council of Elders there
were just are great ambassadors for women's sports. And I
think back to the time that they moved the Orlando
Miracle to Connecticut and we didn't quite know what to expect,
and they have taken great care of the w n
b A and great care of of the franchise, and

(26:20):
really we're leaders in the in the movement of the
w n b A at that time, you know, and
and I think that it's a different time now, and
and continuing to to make the decisions that need to
be made to whether that's building a practice facility or
having a different arena or relocating a franchise are hard decisions.

(26:41):
And you know, I don't I don't know where we
are with with with with actually if that's coming to
fruition or not. I mean, I know that there's some
some other reports out there as well, but I really
do want to emphasize just the the passion with which
the tribe have for the w n B A and
for the players, and for the Connecticut's own organization, and

(27:01):
how well they have taken care of and elevated the
w NBA as well. You know, obviously, I think Boston's
a great city. I've had two experiences coaching in TD Garden.
The environments were amazing, and so if that happened.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
It would be a great w NBA city.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
But I'd be remiss if I didn't just remind people
how invested the Mohegan Sun tribe had been in women's
sport and how much they poured into the w NBA.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Coach ur Tiam arguableieve the hottest right now in the WNBA,
winners six straight, eight and two in the last ten.
You're taking on a Los Angeles Sparks team that beat
your team twice at game bruce Fieldhouse, and they are
arguably the second hottest team right now in the w NBA.
They're seven and two in their last nine. What challenges
do they present because Azue Stevens and deer Can Hanby
after the All Star break, I've been playing at a

(27:50):
different level.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yeah, I mean, they're the toughest thing for us is
just their links. Their link causes us challenges. You know,
they've got Azaray Stevens who's at like six five. Hereic
Hanby who's at six to four, Cameron brink Is back
who's at like six six. Rakia Jackson's a six three wing.
You know she she's long. Julie alamand Is is a
six to one point guard. I mean, so their link

(28:12):
has caused us problems. We've gotten in situations when we've
played them where where we've at times over penetrated, gotten
too deep, have not been able to find the right
play and find the right pass. We've got to really
do a good job of making sure, uh that we
make the easy play. We've got to make sure that
we offensively, that we make the easy play, that we
read their switches. But defensively, you know, they've been dominant

(28:35):
in the paint and and and they've been dominant from
the three point line, and so we've got to be
really disciplined in not giving up easy shots, trying to
force them into tough twos as much as possible, and
and and and try to keep them off the free
throw line. It's it's gonna be a tough matchup for us,
and we we've got to make sure that we're incredibly
disciplined on both ends.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Where do things stand? Finally, coached with Caitlyn Clark and
her return, Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
There's there's no changes yet, you know, continuing to go
through the rehab process, you know, beginning to do some
to do some running and and build some endurance, and
and continuing to take it to take it's low and
make sure that when when she does come back, when
she does return to court activities, that she's one hundred
percent ready to go.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
By the way, Eddie, somebody pointed out that the Garth
Brooks you bounced back with might have been a cover
and not actually Garth Brooks. Coach White, are you a
big enough Garth Brooks fan that you can determine whether
or not that was a cover or the actual Garth Brooks.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Oh well, I don't know. Let's see you play it.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Play it, Eddie, I don't have it anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Head X song for the next segment.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Q up already, well, he prepared, he's thinking, he's thinking
one head.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Eddie's back to Oasis. He's off the Garth Brooks. Well trade, uh, coach,
best of luck, tonight against the Sparks. Appreciate the time
as always, travel safely obviously, but good luck in getting
six in a row. All right, thanks, all right, Stepanitie
White joining us on the program. It sounded like Garth
Brooks to me, to be honest, it sounded like Garth
Brooks to me. What shirt are you wearing? By the way, Eddie, it's.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Called The Boys, Jake. It's a it's a show on
Amazon Prime that I enjoy thoroughly. The final season's coming
up soon.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
And what's the plot, if you will of The Boys?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Oh, it's like a playoff of like stuff that's going
on in like today's world, like politically, economically, socially, and.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
The playoff of stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yes, the guy that is pretty much in charge is
a representative of somebody of power in the United States
of America.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
And is he is he like he looks like he's
like something. They're all superheroes, yes, okay, yeah, And this
takes place in what city? I think, New York? Okay,
I have Little League Baseball thoughts should I do that?
On the other side, sure, it's one of those where
I'm going to ask the temperate of the audience of
whether or not. I'm old and jaded. We'll do it

(30:49):
next and again, big show lined up for you. As
a matter of fact, today Joela Erics's going to join
us one o'clock Colts are practicing today in Baltimore against
the Ravens. Joela from the Indianapolis Star about twenty three
minutes from now. It's querying company here in the fan.
Now this is Brooks and Done, is it not? That
is Brooks and Done. We've exhausted my knowledge of country music.

(31:09):
So I have very mixed feelings about the Little League
World Series because it's always interesting to me when I
watch it. And I should preface with this, and I
understand it. I opened myself up to this when people

(31:29):
like you don't have kids of your own. It's true,
I'm not a parent. Guilty is charged, right, and maybe
that means that I don't have a full appreciation for
those things. But I was a kid and I played
Little League. I can still tell you every team that
I played for. I played for the Giants, I played
for the Indians. I played for the Red Sox, I
played for the White Sox. I played for the Tigers,

(31:50):
I played for the Cubs. I can tell you the
sponsors all of that, right, love heating and air. By
the way, sponsor of the Red Sox still have the
baseball when I threw a no hitter, still had the
ball signed by the whole team. So I love it,
and I love the culture of Little League Baseball, all
of it. But when they started televising not the Little

(32:11):
League World Series itself that was always on the wide
world of sports, when it was usually a team from
like Taipei and then an American team you know, far East,
versus the whatever team represented the United States. Although I
have to admit when it came to the Little League
World Series, I'm like, wait a minute, World Series, Like,
you know, why are there never teams from like Denmark

(32:32):
in this right? But I digress. I always enjoyed it,
but now that they were getting even further and further
back into the tournament of it being televised, you know,
the regionals and the state and those sorts of things,
and I was the same way. Admittedly, when I was
a kid, I had a batting love that I think
I got like a Reds game, and I wore that

(32:55):
not because it helped my grip, because that's what I
saw big leaguers wear and we chewed Big League chew.
But I'm watching yesterday, and I mean, this kid's up
there and he's he looks like Barry Bonds. He's got
on the elbow, you know, protector and nine pounds of
eye black and you know, and then he gets a

(33:16):
hit and he gets to first and he's calling time
out and he's taking off all of the gear and
he's no more Garcia paring his gloves. And I get it.
I mean, kids emulate the athletes that they grow up watching.
I totally get it. But at the same time, I
can't deny. While I there is part of me that
feels like there is a parasitic nature towards watching and

(33:42):
putting pressure on these kids at a at like the
age of eleven and twelve years old, when I assume
some of them are probably playing because now schools are
starting earlier and earlier, And there's part of me that's like,
you know what, we watch the Little League World Series
and we applaud that these groups of kids are seemingly

(34:06):
even missing school to play in it. And that's all
well and good, but there is a hypocrisy to it
to an extent because if these were kids in an
AAU basketball tournament that were taking place during the school
year and being televised, and you had kids that were
emulating Lebron James, there would be like this outcry about it.

(34:32):
Or you know, with some sport like like tennis, is
one in golf for that matter, that the younger players
are as then they're listed as phenoms, whereas in other
sports when players are super young and they are there's
and is there a race element to this? Is there
a socioeconomic element to this? I think there is to
a great extent. But the Little League World Series I

(34:55):
can't deny that I end up partially because it's even
though I I realize now we're kind of out of summer,
because most schools are already back, it is still the
summer month, and when there's not a lot of other
sport on, I end up watching it almost by default
and finding myself entertained by it. And then I wonder
if that's not somewhat parasitic and hypocritical of me, because

(35:17):
there really is not a whole lot of reason that
I should be peering in on the happenings of a
bunch of sixth graders that I have no connection to,
nor do I have kids of my own. And then
I see some of the dads when they have them
miked up, these coaches and the coaches themselves, and I mean,
this is no disrespect and no indictment as a whole

(35:40):
on the vast majority of people that are coaching youth sports,
but the coaches at that level when they have them
micd up in whatever else, I feel like too often
it becomes uncomfortable to watch because what you're seeing is
men who are thinking it's about them and their coaching prowess,
like they're the next Tommy Lesorda versus just simply letting

(36:03):
kids have fun. And I see the pressure that the
kids have, and it seems like a lot of them
there's no joy in what they're doing. If they're winning,
there is, But like when the tea I mean, you know,
I'm watching some poor kid yesterday that walked like five
straight batters, and I'm thinking, I can't imagine, at the
age of twelve years old, how you handle that, right,
They're just I have this mixed emotion of what it

(36:27):
represents in all of us, like culturally speaking, in the
levels that we embrace it versus shun it and the
levels of which even myself, while not necessarily completely on
board with the validity of it being on television for
a regional game, yet I'm watching it, which is why
they air it, right. But I did think it was

(36:48):
also weird that a twelve year old kid's favorite player
with Sean Casey, who retired five years before the kid
was born. When I was twelve years old, my favorite player,
I mean it was probably Joe Morgan, who I didn't
see a lot of. I mean, I saw him play,
but baseball cards, So maybe that's it. Maybe it was
baseball cards is why he's into Shawn Casey. But I

(37:10):
was thinking, Yeah, most kids, you'd think would say Kyle
Schwerber or you know, Fernando Tatist Junior or Jotani.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, Ellie Day, La Cruz, Bobby Witt.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
But I don't know, like what sort of television viewing
numbers it does. But I am genuinely curious whether or
not anybody else feels that way, especially somebody who doesn't
have kids. I mean, you know what I mean, Like
I could see somebody being like, dude, why are you
watching this? It's not like I'm I'm reliving I guess

(37:44):
my own little league experience, but it was just a
completely different level, I mean, the Little league base But
now it's all wreck ball and all that. Now, Eddie,
you coached baseball and you played baseball. The Little League
World Series that you're watching now, is it truly like
little league kids or is this basically AAU teams or
travel ball teams?

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yes, it's the former, there, Jacob's a bunch of these
kids are playing both little league and travel baseball, and
like they play year round, and they've probably been playing
together since they were six years old. Like it's probably
some formation of like they're all star team that started
when they were six. Next thing you know, they're playing
travel together and like most of these kids have played
with each other. They're in half their lives. So I mean,

(38:24):
even though it is the quo Unicuttle League World Series,
most these kids are already playing travel Okay at the
same time.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, so so, but these are like all star teams
of a representative little league, correct, yep? Okay. Now the
other thing and I'm curious about is then I switched
over to a big league game. Okay, yeah, And as
I'm watching that big league game and this sounds like.
And the reason I'm asking is because it is within,

(38:51):
locally speaking, the parameters of what we're doing here. Okay,
but what are we doing here? What I'm saying is
it's within the parameters of what we do here talking
local sports or yeah, we're entertaining and educating. Major League
Baseball is not we educate and entertain. First off, major
League baseball is not in Indianapolis the straw mixing the

(39:14):
drink by any stretch. And it's not usually topic a
especially on a day when the Colts are getting ready
to take on the Ravens in a an organized practice
and a scrimmage and then later a preseason game coming
up on Thursday, and the Fever are going for their
six straight win tonight, which you can hear right here
on this radio station, and EDA Eddie will be on
the pre and post game. I mean, there's a lot

(39:35):
going on. But because it is a player that played
at Indiana, as I'm watching last night and Kyle Schwarber
comes to the plate and he hits his fortieth home run.
I believe this is the third or fourth, maybe fourth
straight season where he's hit forty home runs or more.
He is now thirty one years old, and as I'm
watching it, I looked up his home run totals. He's

(39:56):
somewhere right around three point thirty career, and it dawns
on me he is probably right now the most popular
athlete currently playing from Indiana University for IU fans. IU fans,

(40:16):
sure they like og Anonobi, sure they like Lily King,
But Anonobe is, you know in New York, Lily King
is you know, retiring Kyle Schwarber was I mean a
baseball player at Indiana obviously, like how many people even
followed IU baseball before Schwarber was there? But my question

(40:38):
is this, as they're talking about him and he hits
a home run and they're saying, you know, the fans
are channing MVP, MVP, assuming he stays on the same
trajectory and his career goes as most would based on age, deterioration,
et cetera. Is Kyle Schwarber a Hall of Famer? Ooh,

(40:58):
It's a good question, because he is undeniably. To me,
a Hall of Famer means one of two things. It
means either you were widely considered the best at your
position for the vast majority of your career, or that

(41:21):
you were a multifaceted player who was among the best
at more than one area of your expertise. Kyle Schwarber
does one thing. Hit dangers. That's it. He's not a
good defender.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
He doesn't play in the field much.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
He's not yet. When he did, he was on roller skates, right.
He is not a situational hitter. I mean he's not.
He's not a hit for average guy at all. What's
his career I bet his career batting average is below
two forty two two. Yeah, I mean, but he has

(42:00):
what like the second highest number of postseason home runs
in major league history.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
He's got twenty one.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Keep in mind, keep in mind, Babe Ruth. You know
Joe Dimagio, Luga. I'm not saying all these guys were
home run hitters, but when you think about great players,
totally different era. In the fact that he now has
the Divisional round, he has the Championship Series, he has

(42:28):
World Series. They're playing best of five, best of seven.
You know, it's a lot different. The number of postseason
opportunities he gets is far eclipsing that of the vast
majority of legendary home run hitters in baseball history. But
he has timely home runs. He has timely hits, and

(42:51):
strangely enough, and I'm parroting what somebody else had said
to me today earlier, but I thought it was a
very good point. A team that will go down generationally
as a feel good, memorable beloved. Wrap your arms around
him and want to hug and squeeze him like your

(43:12):
own kid. World Series team and the twenty sixteen Cubs.
He is at this point the only even within sniffing
distance of a Hall of Fame, And so therefore is
he the one that they say he's got to go
in because somebody on that sixteen team needs to be in,
even though it's been with other franchises where he has
done his prolifics and he has been a winner at

(43:35):
virtually every I'm not saying he personally is the one
winning games, but he was. He won with the Cubs,
which had never won anything. He was on the Red
Sox and went to the postseason. He's been on the Phillies.
He's gone to the postseason every year, but what once
in his career.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I mean, that series roster has three Hall of Famers
on it, which one John Lester will be in the
Hall of Fame or oldest Chapman will be in the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
I don't know that I gre with either of those,
but continue.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
And then maybe maybe right now Kyle Schwarver, Yeah, you
think Lester's a Hall of Famer?

Speaker 1 (44:11):
What are numbers? What's his what's his win loss? Let
me pull it up.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I mean he's without questional Hall of Famer in my opinion,
just amount of time, how long. Let's see his career.
He was two hundred wins, one hundred and seventeen loss.
Is a career eer a three point sixty six?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Yeah, that None of that says hall of fame. That's
hall of good. I mean typically three hundred wins is
the bench how many strikeouts strikeouts two and eighty eight? Yeah,
typically it's three hundred wins, three thousand strikeouts e RA
three to two or below.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, But see now today in today's MLB, Jake wins.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
That matter.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
I got that.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
And plus I mean he played for the Red Sox
and he played for the Cubs, Like, okay, he's going
to get in just because of that alone, probably, and
he was on a couple of World Series teams.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
I'll push back on that Chapman and I don't dispute
has merit. But also I think Chapman's some of the
drama of eroaldis Chapman hurts him a little bit the
off the field, Yes, But but I also I guess
I should have clarified even with that, I'm talking about
the everyday positional players, you know, the ones that the

(45:19):
but Chapman. How many saves does Chapman have career wise
at this point?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Oh, look, he's over three hundred, I believe.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
I think Mac Ingle's going to join us at two o'clock,
and I think he's a He's a voter for the
Baseball Hall of Fame. So we'll ask Mac because it's
I mean, when it comes to current baseball, I'll trust
you more than me that you watch it more than I.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
You're in our fifty six saves a role as Chapman.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
How many does Lee Smith have? M good question, because
I think Lee Smith was the all time saved leader
at one time. That might well, I mean, how many
does Rivera have? He's got four to seventy eight? What's
Rivera have? I mean, Rivera is obviously the criminal krem
but he also Sandman had six on fifty two unbelievable

(46:03):
Chapman though. I mean, look the speed of Chapman's pitches
for sure, right I just I think of Schwarber as
Dave Kingman or Greg probably better than Greg Lazinski. I
think of Chapman as a as a Dave Kingman, great player,
great home run hitter. He has more timely home runs.
Joel Erickson, by the way, speaking of timely, has time
to join us next. Colt's just getting underway with practice

(46:25):
in Baltimore. Now. Are they practicing in Baltimore or are
they like in Towson or something.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I believe they're in Baltimore. There's not many teams nowadays
take that practice. I know, off campus for a lack
of a better FRA.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Cowboys are one, right, Don't the Cowboys still go to California? Yes?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I bet the Rams are off site somewhere.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
They probably got to like Hawaii or something. The stealer where.
If you're the Rams, why would you go anywhere? You're
in Los Angeles? They're the Rams stake. They always do
the extravagant stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
When I covered the Rams, they were in Macomb, Illinois.
I'm pretty sure they have the most exciting place to
be was the Walmart. I think they may have had
like OTAs in Mexico or something. Really Yeah, okay, fair
enough joining us now, and I'm sure thrilled to be
doing so.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Joel A.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Erickson is with the Indianapolis Star. He is the beat
writer for the Colts. Joel, whar exactly did the Ravens
have their training camp? Are you aware?

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I believe it's in Owings Mills, Maryland at their normal
performance center.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Owings Mills, Maryland. Yes, that's a fun sounding town, isn't it.
Do you think that? Do you think it was an
old mill town?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 1 (47:36):
And some guy named Owing owned them all?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
I don't know. I'm interested in the fact that it's
like it's both plural Owings Mills. You know.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
You know what's interesting is if Owing is the guy
that had the mills, then at the time he actually
was Owing owning mills, right, that's true? Yeah, I mean
the alliteration is just off the charts. Okay, we'll begin
with this not listed at quarterback. Okay, the depth chart yesterday,
So I'm taking the quarterback off the board for you.
That's the low hanging fruit. What when the Colts unofficially

(48:10):
released or you know, they released an unofficial depth chart.
Was there anything that truly jumped out at you that
you were a little surprised of where they had someone
either to the positive or the negative.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Cameron mcgroon over Jalen Carlis at linebacker caught my eye.
All off season, we've kind of assumed that Carlis was
going to be the guy there, but they've got Carlis
behind him now, and that actually does fit somewhat what
we've seen in the field. They've rotated those linebackers all
over the place like it's the linebacker, I would say,
is the hardest one to keep track of who's playing

(48:43):
in what group, So it probably isn't settled yet. But
it's interesting that mcgron, you know, local guy with really
he's only played eight defensive snaps for the Colts in
his last three years, is listed ahead of Carlis. To me,
that was that was one that was interesting. And then
the other one was it was Tanner Borderlini over Danny
Pinter because they've been they've been pretty much neck and

(49:04):
neck in terms of reps throughout the first part of camp.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I thought, and I agree with that on Carlist, because
they they've been pretty high on him, right, I mean
they they vocally have talked of their praise of him
and been supportive of him.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Correct, Yeah, especially from a front office level, from a
from a coaching level. I think, you know what, they
didn't have him in the in the May June portion
of it, spring workouts, whatever you want to call that,
and I think that maybe didn't help him getting started.
But yes, I I think everyone has assumed that that

(49:41):
spot has basically been uh you know, carved out there
for Carlis, and it's interesting that it seems to be
more of a battle there than we thought.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Okay, the other one that I found interesting, So let's
begin with this, Joel, They, in your opinion, will keep
how many tight ends?

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I think four?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Okay, So if you look at those four, you know
you've got obviously you know Tyder Warren, that's a given, right,
moali Cox, I think a given. Then you get Drew
Ogletree and Will Mallory. Maybe those two are interchangeable. It's
interesting to me because one and two meaning Warren and
moali Cox. Then if you were to look at the

(50:23):
style of play and what they bring to the table,
I kind of think as Mo as Mallory as a
poor man's Warren and Ogletree as a poor man's Moley Cox,
even though ogle Tree is a better receiver than Ali Cox, right,
So you get kind of all your bases covered there.
Jelantie Woods, to me was interesting because they have been

(50:44):
so patient with him and waiting out not one but
two years of injury. Is that just because they simply
wanted to see what he could do and he just
has not been able to rise to the occasion at
this point.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
I think the biggest thing was they're just wasn't much
reason to cut ties with him from a contractual standpoint.
He's not making that much to where you'd have to
do it, you know, for monetary reasons, and you know
he's on that rookie deal. He's he's been hurt. You
might as well just keep him around to see if

(51:18):
he can tap back into that.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Now.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I would say that, you know, the biggest thing is
he's probably competing for a receiving not probably, he's competing
for a receiving tight end spot because he's he's just
not really a blocker from what we've seen on the
practice field, you know, and that puts him up against
Will Mallory because obviously Tyler Warren is your number one
receiving tight end, and honestly, just Mallory's had a really

(51:42):
good camp and Woods has been a little more up
and down. So I think it's it's pretty obvious. But yeah,
you hang on to him just because you know he
was hurt last year. It's not like you could have
traded him at you know, at cutdown day or something
like that. I didn't, I was I didn't think he
was going to make their off last year before he
got hurt. So I think more than anything, it's just

(52:07):
this doesn't cost that much. It's not hurting us. We
can't there's no value we can get out of it elsewhere.
Let's just take into camp next year and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Joel, what would you describe as a successful rookie season
for Tyler Warren.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Warren? I think I think to me, it's gonna have
to be a little bit more of an eye test
than a numbers test with Warren because I still have
my doubts about whether or not the quarterbacks are going
to give us a really good read on how a

(52:41):
player is doing. You know, I think we all have
kind of learned with with Alex Pearce that the quarterback
can play an oversized role in how a receiver looks
some or what one of the skilled position weapons looks.
And so, you know, I think that it well, well,
I think that you'd expect like sixty catches something like that.

(53:07):
You can't do that because I just don't know what
this team is going to be like as a passing
team and how how many passes this team is going
to throw. I think it's gonna have to be, you know,
just us watching and saying, you know, what is this?
What did this guy look like?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
You know, the guy that I on the roster am
most intrigued by at this point. And Joel, I know
this will stun you when I tell you this. I'm
a late bloomer intellectually, okay. So I started getting serious
about school when I was like forty seven, okay, okay,
typically problematic with your early academic career. So I was

(53:42):
asleep on this a little bit until I was really
studying the roster. And then and only then when I
studied the roster, did and I don't know if you've
ever heard my and I have a wide array of
characters that I do famously. Kids love it, people love
it in public. Have you ever heard my British polo
playing character that I do on the radio show Joel,

(54:04):
I have not. He talks like this. It comes from
the Highlands, right, you know the guy, he's got a pipe.
He's in like a library. That's you know what I mean.
There's a fireplace in the background. So that guy when
he's studying the Colts roster, okay, he's looking at it.
He said, yes, I'm not sold on Anthony Richardson. Okay,

(54:25):
that's how he talks. And then I look at the
roster and I see one name that jumps out of
me and I go, that's it. This character that I've
been doing on the radio for years now is named
this guy. It is that That is the exact name.
And so I need this guy on the roster for
the rest of the year to carry on this character
because listeners of the show love it. They just love

(54:45):
this this character. Kids in particular, would you like to
guess what character or what player I'm talking about? What
name on the roster is the British polo player. Yeah,
that's corrects Ward. You know, there's an out standing gus
and many would think so. And he's not a bad player,
but he's more of a botchy ball guy. Clearly, Clearly

(55:07):
the guy that I'm doing here is Ulysses Bentley the Fourth. Oh, okay,
obviously we need Ulysses Bentley the Fourth to make the roster.
I need people walking around and I mean you got
people walking around at games where Matt Bouza jerseys for
crying out loud, Why out of Bentley? You can break
out your Albert Bentley jersey if you'd like, and just
put a fun IV on the end of it.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
We need Ulysses Bentley the Fourth to make the roster,
partially because his name is Ulysses Bentley the Fourth, partially
because he's a twenty four year old rookie from Old Miss,
and also because the running back position is one of
those fungible positions where in week eleven, all of a
sudden you get injury and some guy goes in there
and goes eight carries for forty eight yards and it's
a good story. Is please tell me that's going to

(55:49):
be my man Ubi, which is my euphanism for Ulysses
Bentley the Fourth.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
He needs he probably needs some space to clear in
front of him for that to have I will say this,
So he did. Uh. He had occupied a place that
I always feel like it's the hardest position in camp
is whoever the undrafted free agent running back is. I
think that's the hardest position in camp because you're the

(56:15):
only one that they'll allow that anybody will allow to hit,
and so you get beat up way worse than anybody else.
He got to catch a touchdown pass of the day. Uh,
And I thought that that was a nice you know,
thank you president for forgetting being the running back and
all of the live sessions and everything like that, because
you know that that undrafted spot you just get hammered.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
He's used to it. He's used to it. You know
why he's used to it, Joe. Why have you seen
the way they take things to the rugby fields in Scotland.
I'm just telling you for what it's worth, right, true, Ulyss,
just Bentley the Ford, that's my guy. Okay, let's go
to the quarterback position. Your anticipation of who will and

(57:02):
I had I had kind of a a reverse psychology
answer on this. But you believe that the guy that
will get the most reps in this preseason game number
one against Baltimore will be which ed quarterback.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
In the first game. I think it'll be Richardson.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Okay, I believe now the Green Bay game is the
one preseason game number two, that's the one that everybody says, well,
that's the real look of you know, that gives you
the real indication of the depth in that one. The
guy that you think will get the most snaps as Witch.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Well, if I said Richardson for the first one, I
have to say Jones for the second one, because Steichen
told us that's how it was going to go. I'm
thinking though, that the third pre season game is the
one we need to watch because with joint practices before
the first two, I'm not expecting the ravens of the
Packers to play anybody that really matters to them.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Because here's my thought. Then you tell me that I'm
out of my mind here, Okay, I think that we
meaning you, myself, Colts fans, whatever it might be. Okay,
for that matter, Ulyssa S. Bentley the third might be
thinking this right in hopes that his son makes a roster.
So everybody looking at it is going to say to themselves,

(58:34):
if Daniel Jones gets starting nods throughout the preseason, that
that means he's won the job. But I think it's
entirely possible that the Colts look at it and say,
we made the mistake of giving the keys to Anthony
Richardson too early in his career. So even if we
feel he is going to be the guy in the
regular season, we want to make sure that we are

(58:54):
continuing to push him and that he is responding because
he has responded to this first camp where he truly
had competition. So therefore, we are not going to pull
the reins off that competition until the eleventh hour when
we finally have to make that decision officially. Does that
make sense, Yeah, I think that it's going to be
a while.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
You know Steichen said the other day. Him saying the
other day that one guy is going to get more
of the snaps in the first game, then the other
guy's gonna get more snaps of the second game. Like
that told me that we're already past where he was
as a rookie in the you know, quote unquote competition
with Gardner Minshew, which I think most of us, you know,
don't seriously consider.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
To be that.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
And and I think I think you're right. I think
they're going to push it out. I think they want
to know for sure, and I think they feel like
they can they can wait to do that. Like I said,
I have that last preseason game earmarked just because it
seems like every time there's a joint practice, whoever they're
joint practicing against, is like, well, our starters have gotten

(59:59):
their work on the practice, We're not going to expose
them to the game reps. We're going to pull all
those guys off. And if I was if I was
Shane Steiken, I would want to see them in game
action against some guys they might actually see on a
Sunday in September or October instead of just the guys
that they're trying to make the roster.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Joel, if you're thirty four years old and you've been
in the league for let's say you're a quarterback entering
your eleventh season in the NFL. You're thirty four years old,
would you rather right now go to New England and
be the starter making nine million a year, or go
to Kansas City or Buffalo and be the backup making

(01:00:44):
six and a half million a year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
It's a fantastic question.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Has Joel already won a Super Bowl? No, Joel has
been a starter.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
That is is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
You know, a five hundred percent you know he's He's
been a guy that has gone nine to eight for
the majority of his career as a starter. This is
Andy Dalton, Derek Karish type of gardner Minshire, right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
I think I want the starting job.

Speaker 6 (01:01:19):
I think I want the starting job because as long
as I have a chance of convincing somebody that they
should pay me, you know, three years forty five million
or three years fifty million or something next year, I
think I want to take that. So if I go
to New England and things fall the right way and
I look pretty good, maybe next year I'm going to

(01:01:41):
end up with the larger contract, whether I deserve it
or not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Would you rather be Obi Toppin on this last year's
Pacers team or gosh, I'm trying to think of who, like,
you know, Jordan Poole on the Washington Wizards, Obi Topping
for sure, Okay, even if the other one gets you
paid more.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Yeah, I think I think that. To me, that discrepancy
is so so big that I'd rather much. I'd much
rather be Obi top and I the thirty four year
old quarterback is probably going to be back in free
agency next year and may may get one last chance
at a starting contract.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
What has to this point, Joel, what storyline has yet
aside from quarterback? What storyline has yet to clarify itself
and resolve itself with this Colts team during this training
camp that you are surprised you are still having to

(01:02:47):
write about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
That's a good question. I'm surprised at the cornerback position
all of a sudden, looks if he right, you've got hamstring.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Injury, right, I mean that give them credit. They had
what we thought they had depth at that right. We
thought like they had this really good cupboard and then
all of a sudden, two of the dishes fell out
and got cracked right right right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
So yes, exactly, Like that's the biggest thing is that
is that you you thought you had depth there. But
that's that's the position that all of a sudden, more
than more so than anything else, that's the position where
I'm going. I don't know, you know, we don't really
know exactly what Ward is dealing with. Shane Sigen said,
tightness in his legs. I think that's you know, as

(01:03:37):
vague descriptions as you can get for a player's injury.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
And then you know, we know that James Jones suffered
a pretty significant hamstr injury psyching himself told us that.
And then Juju Brents, you know, is a player that
has has struggled with this stuff throughout his career and
also with the hamstring. And I think most sports fans
know by hamstrings are unpredictable, and I think that that position,

(01:04:05):
I'm just going, man, they really thought that they felt
like they had a lot of depth. I'm sure they
still feel like they're okay for the regular season because
it's a month away. But man, that's a lot of
corners down already where you're seeing Jonathan Edwards, who's an
undrafted free agent playing with the starters at cornerback.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
By the way, the okay, the tight end position with
Tyler Warren. This is an assignment for you, Joel. This
is a rainy day assignment for you, because I know
you love those right. Of course, I'd like to know
a list. I'll give you till the end of the
year to come up with this, Okay, I'd like your
the list of the twenty greatest NFL players all time

(01:04:49):
whose first name and last name both are either the
first or last name of a US president. Waiting off
the top of my.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Head, Roosevelt Colvin seems like he'd be on that list.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Is there a president with the first or last name
of Colvin? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Both?

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
I got the parameters wrong, both.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
I mean, here's the thing for Tyler, Warren Tyler. Warren's
got the double whaemie of John Tyler and Warren Harding.
I mean like basically bottom of the barrel here, right,
But still two presidents, right, I mean one had the
teapot domb scandal, the other got impeached. I mean, let's go, right, we.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Don't have any we don't be president's named Reggie right.
What's that? We don't have any president's named Reggie right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Actually, John Taylor did not. John Tyler did not get impeached.
He just did not get nominated again by his own
party after serving presidency, which is pretty bad. Uh, No
president named Reggie correct?

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Man, I'm trying to think of. I was using the
two bushes. I was hoping that was like, there's definitely
got to be someone in there, man. I was hoping
I could come up with one right off the bat,
and it's not working.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Here's the thing, and you realize what just happened here
right about two thirty in the morning. And you know
how much harder it's gonna be for the beer fairy
to surprise you on the porch now, because you're gonna
be up at two thirty in the morning sitting there
thinking about damn President's right, That's exactly what's gonna happen.
This is why you come on this program, is it not.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
It's I'm gonna look at every roster this year. I
out there and go through it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Listen, listen. I'm telling you right now, people are in
their car right now saying this guy in the radio
is a complete idiot. And then tonight when they're sittinground dinner,
they're gonna go you know, I heard something interesting today.
I'm telling you this is this is what goes on
in this noggin that is essentially like four to sixty
five rush hour traffic. It's just always jammed up, right, Okay, lastly,
before we let you go, in all honesty, Joel and

(01:06:41):
I appreciate the time. Joel A. Ericsson is our guest
from the Indianapoli star. He is the cold speed rider,
the thing that we really want to look for and
see in this trip to Baltimore from this team aside
from the obvious, but areas that you think that Shane
Steichen or Chris Ballard might be looking at with more
of a fine toothcomb than we would guess. And obviously, yes,

(01:07:01):
depth a corner is an issue, and then obviously yes,
the quarterback position, but there are other areas, whether it
be offensive line, defensive line, linebacker, whatever it may be,
what jumps out center.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
I think the Ravens are a great test for centers
because they're going to bring a lot of blitz. They're
going to make him do identification. Bordolini and Pinter are competing.
It feels to me like that competition is a bigger
deal than we think. I think center is a big one.
I think this is probably something people were already looking at.
But if they take a field goal, just pay attention.

(01:07:38):
Spencer Strader has been much better than Maddicks Trujillo so far,
but he hasn't been to the point that Brian Mason
wants him to be as a special teams coordinator. He
said he's he's at eighty seven percent the other day,
and they would prefer him to be at ninety in practices,
so anytime somebody kicks. And then the other thing that

(01:07:59):
I I'm curious about is how does this defense, particularly
the defensive line, look against Baltimore's offensive line. Whether it's
in practice I believe they're practicing right now, or whether
it's in the preseason game. I think the practice I
care more because I'm assuming guys like the Forrest Buckner
are probably not playing on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
By the way, didn't he didn't the Colts have a linebacker?
And did they have an Andrew Johnson linebacker? Am I
right or wrong in that they have an alex Andrew
Jackson and Andrew Jackson linebacker? That's what I'm thinking, named
Andrew Jackson Jackson. Did they have an alex Johnson corner?
Does that count?

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
With an Alexander and a Johnson?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
What what president was Alexander?

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Oh, alex You're right, there's not one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Yeah, Alexander Hamilton. See, I've always thought Ben Franklin, Alexander Hamilton,
and Aaron Burr those are three guys that a lot
of people think were presidents at one point, but they weren't. Yeah,
now here's the last thing, Joel, And I'm going to
give you permiser to use this. And it's not often
that I let people, you know, give permission to use
my stuff, right, But in the NBA circles, I have

(01:09:07):
the famous quariism of twenty twenty five guys. You've heard
me mention this. Guys that score twenty a game on
a twenty five win team their entire career. Okay, Kyle Kuzma,
quintessential twenty twenty five guy. You've probably heard me mention
this before. But with this situation that we're monitoring at
corner for the Colts, I always say defensive backs and

(01:09:28):
offensive linemen are the NFL's cell phone chargers and sunglasses.
You can never have too many because just when you
think you do, one of them breaks or you lose one.
Every time, there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I like the offensive line is definitely true. I mean, yeah,
I think most people feel good about the Colts offensive line,
but if something happened to Bernard Ryman, everyone feel really
very rat all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
You got to have a Swiss army. And that's one
of the and I'm not saying left tackle is an
area where he can do it. But people laugh at
me when I say that a guy like Danny Danny
Pincher has a lot out of value, but he kind
of does because he is a Swiss army knife guy
that can play at a couple of different spots for you.
And that's important at line because you never know where
a leak can pop up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
There was that one year where they all play, they
all started every game or something like that, and I
think a lot of Colts fans are like, well, that's
what happens with the offensive line all the time. Yeah, No,
you just play every game and it's never happened again.
I think it was like twenty nineteen was when it happened,
you know, kind of like how you feel each time
you come on the show. That's never going to happen again?
Is what you say to yourself?

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
More often than that, absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
I will always say yes to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
The beer fairy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yes, you're not supposed to know the identity of it. Joel,
All right, Joel, appreciate the time as always. You bet,
you bet, that's our friend. The exhausted Joel ericson joining
us on the program. Anything anything you want, anything you
want to add Eddie. Sometimes I can tell Eddie that
you're incredulous because I look over and you have the
look on your face like you just had like three
of the watermelon gummies.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Zion Franklin not not out of practice, stayed due to
a left ankle we have, I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Okay, not surprising because he's been working back from that. Obviously.
He just started practicing what about a week ago when
he was back out there for good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Saturday was his first practice and that was a bunch
of individual drills, and then I think he went to
seven on seven on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
He is probably on a somewhat of a limited rep basis, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I would assume, so yeah, I would assume, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
We come back. By the way, mac Engle gonna join
us two o'clock. Somebody else just made an interesting half
Eddie on your behalf oh oh oh oh, that we'll
get to when we come back here. Querry Company on
the fan. I don't know if it's the fact that
I'm going to be back at the State Fair tomorrow.
I open disclaimer. I'm not a country music person neither

(01:11:44):
am I, but in the summertime I kind of like
it because it reminds me of summer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Is because every other song is about a girl in beer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Yeah, it's just always about like being outside right around
in your truck, being by the lake, you know, that
kind of thing. But Eddie's been on a big kick
today for country music. What are we doing here? I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Jake, just shaking it up, you know, shaking it up,
that's what they say, right, Okay, changing it up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Calvin Johnson. Calvin Johnson might be the gold standard of
players who have the first name and last name both
of either the first name or last name of a
US president. Pretty hard to argue that one. Somebody points
this out when you were making the point that John
Lester you think is a Hall of famer. Okay, they said, Jake,

(01:12:32):
to Eddie's point, John Lester is a World Series MVP. Now,
I thought to myself, if that's true, big if true? Right, however,
and you would put that in your favor, Eddie, in
your argument that he is a Hall of famer, right
when earlier you made the statement that you believe John
Lester is a Hall of Famer. Yes, let me read

(01:12:56):
to you a list. Okay, you were born in what year,
Eddie ninety eight. Okay, Marianna Rivera, Derek Jeter, Randy Johnson,
David Ortiz, end of list. Do you know what that

(01:13:17):
list is?

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
I'm guessing those are people that aren't in yet.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
No, Marianna Rivera, Marek Jeter, Randy Johnson, David Ortiz. I
don't know what that list is. That is every World
Series MVP in your lifetime. That is a Hall of Famer.
In other words, it's not like a slam dunk pre
you know what I mean. Also, John Lester was not
a world and I'm not calling that out. I had

(01:13:44):
to look it up. He was not the World Series
Most Valuable Player among World Series MVPs, and some of
them are still active, so it's kind of unfair. But
if you go back, David East was a World Series MVP.
Edgar rent aia Edgar rint Aria with my favorite line

(01:14:04):
of all time for a baseball player. You know this line,
don't you, Eddie?

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Edgar Rittoria was a short stop for the Sand Louis
Cardinals in the years that I covered the Cardinals two
thousand and one, in that era ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
God, I hated playing against them and or when the
Reds did the Cardinals, Cardinals, Rentoria, Jady Drew poo Hooles,
Craig Pulquette, Edmunds, Jim Edmonds, seeing Adam Waynwright, Fernando Tatis.
Who was the other picture?

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Matt Morris or no nottt is it Matt Morris, Adam
Wayne Wright. Well, when I was there, Darryl Kyle was
their ace. Rick and Keel was the rookie that imploded
and then they moved him to outfield. Pat Hankin was
a pitcher for them. But you're thinking of Matt Morris probably.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
But the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
That Cardinals team. I've told this story before. Edgar Renteria
was a young player for them, very good player, shortstop,
and after every game, you know, I mean you'd go
in the clubhouse and you'd interview different guys and you
kind of got tired of you know, we'd always go
to Edmonds, We'd always go to Will Clark. Those guys
were Staples. Tattisse was a great interview, Mike Methani was

(01:15:19):
a good interview and Renereo was the one player who
was a very good player and a staple of that team,
but he would never do interviews.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Oh, how could I forget John's favorite cardinal of all
time necktat Yeah, I didn't have Molina's what he always
call him neck tattoo.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
That Molina was just after that because their catcher when
I was there was Metheni and then Carlos Hernandez was
the guy that would catch and keel but or would
catch I'm sorry, like knuckleballers. But anyway, Rentalria, over the
whole course of the year, the two years that I
was there, never did an interview, never once. And whenever
you go up and ask him, he would, you know,
he'd be like he would very like Coilish, you know,

(01:15:57):
like coylely, like let you know, he didn't speak English.
And then they win the division, they win the NL
Central Crown. Chris Carpenter, that's who I was thinking of.
Good picture. Yeah, and rent Rea. I walk up to
him as everybody's popping champagne and spraying stuff and whatever else,
and Rento Rea is on a cell phone and is

(01:16:18):
having a conversation and is literally like, oh, it's awesome,
it was great. I'm so excited, like we're optimistic. And
he gets off the phone. I remember it's an old
flip phone. He flips it shut in the little clamphone
and I say to him, hey, man, I thought you
didn't speak English, and he looks right at me my
favorite quote of all time and said, uh, for you guys,
I don't my favorite quote ever. And I've always loved

(01:16:42):
Edgar Rentrea ever since. I just thought it was super cool.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Hi, Lake Garcia. I remember him from the eleven Cardinals
team that won the World So Lance Lane, of course
he was on that team as well. You're going later
in twenty eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
N was on that World Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm
talking about rhetor Ria was with the Giants. He was
the He was the twenty ten World Series Most Valuable
Player for the Giants. He was gone for the Saint
Louis by that and then he went to the Reds.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Yeah, he was with the.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Reds, wouldn't he? But it is funny when you look
through the list of names of guys that have won
that and the same is true of Super Bowl MVP's,
you know, World Series MVP. It typically is in fact
a list of more marquee players because you have to
do it over the course of more than just one game.
Same with the NBA Finals. But like a Super Bowl MVP,

(01:17:31):
you know, you get guys that are a Super Bowl
MVP for one shining moment. Larry Brown is the problem,
is the poster child for it. You get one great game,
Larry Brown picks off Neil O'Donnell twice in the Super Bowl,
becomes a Super Bowl MVP, gets a massive contract with
the Raiders, and is the biggest bust in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Well, I think you can make the same case for
Major League Baseball as well, especially in like today's age.
They do they intentionally walk and pitch around guys that are,
you know, right there at the meat of the order,
I mean Bonds.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
But if they would have won, If if San Francisco
have won, Bonds would have been the MVP that year
against the Angels. But he saw very few at bats.
When he did, he hit home runs, but he saw
very few at bats. Ben zieburst for the Cubs when
they won it. Pike, Yeah, he's the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
V Pablo Sandoval, He's not a Hall of Famer with
the Giants, Het David Freeze. You know what's a week
from tomorrow, Steve Pierce, Like there's another one like it?
Just the box of Randos, Jorge Solo with the Braves
and twenty one, seven days, eight days, a.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Week from tomorrow. You want to guess, I know what
it is. It's big Day.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
It's the game that you would stend every year, and
you'll leave early and there'll be an immaculate inning or
something in the ninth inning like last year.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Exactly correct, White Sox game for me a week from tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Who they plan?

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
By the way, Detroit kind of fading Detroit Tigers.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Right, they're back at it. They're back on the they're
on the upswing again. They're getting their ish figured out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Yeah, they went through a slump there, even though they
got off to a great start and head margin for air.
We come back. The Colts are on the practice field
right now with the Baltimore Ravens. We will get you
caught up on it and let you know what's happening
out on the East coast. We returned to Quarrying Company.
Now we're going on the old school here. I'd to
go back in the day a little bit. I mean,
if we're doing this, we might as well go with.

(01:19:14):
I mean, I've got some old school I could request
for sure. You know, do have an update, Jake. You
were just asking me leading up to the segment, if
we had an update on Colts Campa from James Boyd
literally just seconds ago eighty Mitchell so far cookie and
one on ones against the Baltimore Ravens secondary and Anthony
Richardson was first up with the team starters in the

(01:19:37):
team period. There you go. Things got in away about
what just about a half an hour ago, I think
is when they really started kind of getting underway, the
Colts and the Ravens for a joint practice session. How
long will it be before our first fight?

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Richardson three of four so far in the first session
of eleven on eleven's Daniel Jones two of two. I'm
surprised we haven't had one yet.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
They just got underway, but there will be one for sure, right,
But you always get that, you know what. I here's
the thing. I hope that we find out when there's
a fight, that the fight is because somebody took a
cheap shot at Uliss Bentley fourth and the teammates jumped
in and have us back. That's what I hope I want,

(01:20:26):
my man, you before getting some love right. Interesting comments
by the way that Rick Carlile made. Do you happen
to have those? Eddie about mister Matherin. Yes, so, Rick
Carlile was on a podcast with Cynthia Cooper. Am I
saying that name correctly? Caitlin Cooper, Kaitlyn Cooper, so sorry.

(01:20:49):
Cynthia Cooper is a former female basketball player. Kaitlin Cooper
is a podcaster who is very very dialed in with
the game of basketball. I mean, has a very good
basketball mind. Her father was a coach, and I mean
that like in depth level stuff x's and o's. Rick
Carlisle has been very vociferous in his how much he's

(01:21:13):
impressed by her and her basketball intellect as well. So
when the two of them talk, it really was a
good conversation because he just felt like you could tell
that he was enjoying talking x'es and o's with her.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Jake, he revealed to her, by the way, during the
course of the conversation, before they got into the actual
ex's and o's of basketball and talking about the Pacers,
that he actually calls her and chats with her from
time to time about different things during the things past her,
right some I wouldn't say run things past her, but
I think like bounce his ideas off of one another
kind of deal in He thanks her because apparently rival

(01:21:50):
teams have reached out trying to get some insight from
her on the Pacers, and she has declined.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
He did reveal to her publicly his approach and mindset
regarding the role of Benedict Matherin in the upcoming season.
You know, I'll be I'll be real honest. You know,
this is a part of Ben Matherins game that we
keep talking to him about. You know, he's a he's
a guy that is just a natural scorer.

Speaker 7 (01:22:19):
I mean, you put him in a you put him
in a rat game with a bunch of switching and
a bunch of physical stuff, and the guy's going to
go find eighteen points and he's gonna shoot seven free
throws at least. But the the pure elements of the
passing and the quick decisions and stuff like that are
things that he is. He's he's gradually getting and and

(01:22:44):
he's going to get there. And I think, you know
this year right now, and I'll break I'll break the
news right here. You know, I'm projecting him as our
starter at two this year. You know, I think you
know on day one and I've told him, I told
him this. I was on the phone with him and
his agent four days ago, and I said, I said,
you're going to be with the starters on day one.

(01:23:06):
It's your job to lose. But here's what we need
from you. But Ben Matherin's going to get there. He
has such great gifts as a score. Our job as
coaches is to meld guys like him that aren't necessarily
seamless fits into a style that is effective for the

(01:23:26):
rest of the guys and bring both forces hopefully close
together as time goes on.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
As of right now, and I mean, look, it's a
little absurd because it's the first week in August, but
I think it's fair to say their starters would be
Andred Imhard Ben Matherin based on that, and I don't
think that's any huge surprise. Aaron Ne Smith, Pascal Siakam,
and then I think it would be Isaiah Jackson to begin, right,

(01:23:55):
it's a pretty good I mean, it's not what we saw,
but that's a pretty good hold, serf. We have seen
with the Pacers. There have been plenty of teams, plenty
of eras where we've seen and maybe you didn't even
realize it in the moment, but you look back on it,
now and you go, that was just a hold serve roster.

(01:24:19):
You know, I heard Jay and V talking the other
day and it was a great point. I mean about
when you know they're getting TJ. Warren dropping fifty three
in a game in the bubble and you're like, oh, man, TJ.
Warren and Malcolm Brogden, Man, I love this group. You
know CJ. Miles and you know different players they've had

(01:24:41):
come through here. Man, I love this CJ. Watson, boy,
I love this guy. And you realize you're like, they're
just holding serve, figuring out where they are. And yes,
this is a year that's kind of a just hold serve,
keep the table busy. But at the same time, you
kind of like the roster. I mean, I think the

(01:25:02):
center is the big question mark, you know, between Jackson
and as well Wiseman. I mean, Wiseman is intriguing because
of his backstory and the fact that clearly this is
not you know, this is a guy that multiple teams

(01:25:22):
thought had a lot of potential about him, and when
they signed him, he was obviously a high reward, low
risk sign. There's a little bit more risk now because
his role is elevated. But you know, nonetheless, and then

(01:25:45):
Jay Huff. You know, I saw the other day video.
People are like, look at this video, Jay Huff. He's
driving all over the place, he's dunk and he's schooling guys.
He's taken two steps back and hitting threes, and I'm like,
this is all awesome. It's also coming in like the
Tabernacle Men's Choir of Madrid, you know. I mean he

(01:26:07):
was on like some Spanish league in the summertime and
he was basically dunking on Eddie and John Herrick. So
it's like, okay, you know, But I mean he looked fluid,
and I think that there is intrigue about him because
of his size at seven to one. But I don't
think that he is a guy that immediately comes in
and starts. But he does have some ability that mirrors

(01:26:31):
what it was that Turner did, and by that I
simply mean a stretch five that can shoot a little
bit and has some range of motion and length defensively.
But I have no idea how good he'll be. Isaiah
Jackson I really liked before he got hurt, and I'm
intrigued to see what he can do. But Jackson and
Wiseman both neither one of them do I think of

(01:26:52):
as fifteen foot and out jump shooters, whereas Turner had
that ability. Not jump shooters, but shooters, and Turner had
that ability. Mack Gingle, by the way, I think he's
a writer for a voter for the Baseball Hall of Fame.
But I wanted to have Mac on because number one,
he's got a good story about Miles Turner, because Mac
my childhood buddy, of course, But he writes for the

(01:27:13):
Fort Worth Star Telegram, grew up here in Indie and
now covers the cowboys, and the cowboys are just drama, drama, drama,
and he has boy what's that? The hellas cowboy? That's right?
And he has a good Miles Turner relationship and has
covered him since high school and had an opportunity to
talk to Miles Turner since Turner left Indiana. Max gon

(01:27:37):
to join us next, Eddie Garrison continues his tour of
random bad country music, although I will admit again summertime
like this is a fun concert, Kenny Chessey's fun concert
joining us now in the program, and I'm sure thrilled
because it feels just at home in Texas by hearing
that kind of music. Mac Ingle is with the Fort

(01:27:57):
Worth Star Telegram, native of Indianapolis, and there are all
kinds of connections between the two. To be honest with you,
Mac probably is wondering why I wanted him to come
on the show today, and Mac, I do think that,
even though I want to talk to you about some
Indianapolis based things, there is an element of you know,

(01:28:17):
the Dallas Cowboys are a national brand, and you know,
the NFL is the eight hundred pound gorilla. And it
just seems like every year, but more so this year
than most, your coverage of the Cowboys, you are right
there in the biggest drama soap opera of the NFL,
at least from afar. That's how it seems. What about
when you're actually in the midst of it covering.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
Them, it's even louder. It's even louder. And I don't
know if I have a real I think the best
comp I could think of for Hoosiers is Indiana basketball
under Bob Knight in the eighties, and you know, because
he was such a personality. And obviously this is different

(01:29:00):
because you've got players involved, and you've got a game
that's you know, has a stranglehold on on America that
certainly Eclipse eclipses the popularity of college basketball even back
in the eighties. So you've got a handful of players
who have star wattage. And then you have an owner
who really reshaped sports consumerism in America and really globally

(01:29:22):
since he bought the team in eighty eight. So and
he's just completely poured gasoline over all of it because
he recognized almost before anybody else that there was money
to be made in just talking about it. And the
more you talked about it, the more eyeballs that were
drawn to it. And so we took a brand that

(01:29:43):
was already renowned because of the success they had, and
then he just completely turned up the volume on it
to the nth degree. So now everybody's interested in it,
even though they haven't won anything. Of notes nineteen ninety six.
It's really impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
It is Jerry Jones mac guilty of thinking that because
he's been around it, that he is a smarter football
mind than he is.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Well, he has one thing going for him that no
other owner I think in sports has going for them.
I think Jerry played major college football. He was an
offensive lineman, which is hard to believe. If you look
at the van, but he was an offensive lineman or

(01:30:36):
the University of Arkansas national championship team back in I
don't know however many sixty three or whatever year it was.
And if you look up and down sports owners, none
of them played. I can't think of any of them
who plays.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
I mean, Jim Mersey did peripherally, right, but I realize
he's the late Jim Mersay now, but you know what
I mean here, You're right, Jim.

Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
Jim played a little bit, and certainly he had you know,
he did some things on the side of weightlifting, and
so he put himself in the arena, Like you said, peripherally.
But Jerry always had that going for him, and it
was the one thing about his resume that he could
point to. You wouldn't, I wouldn't, but he could point
to and say, listen, I played the game. I was

(01:31:15):
around this guy or this guy and this guy. I
was on a team with Barry Switzer, I was on
a team with Jimmy Johnson, I was on a team
coach by Frank Boyles and blah blah blah. So he
could use that as a solid point of sale to
his football expertise and the guy's not a total idiot.
I mean, you think you'd be around from me for
thirty years you would have learned something, and he has.
But the inescapable reality of it is that he doesn't

(01:31:39):
really put that much emphasis on some of the details
that you might, or a coach might. His idea is
that you give me the best talent, we're going to win.
These coaches are pretty much all the same. They're all
pretty good. He doesn't really distinguish one from the other.
Even though most people would say, yeah, Bill Belichick with
Tom Brady was probably better than Bill Belichick with Vitty Testaverdi,

(01:32:04):
Bill Belichick is still a good coach. And in Jerry's mind,
Bill Belichick was made by Tom Brady, so he that's
just how he sees it, and so and then if
you couple that expertise and arrogance and experience with the
fact that he mercilessly markets anything that he does in
the zombie like ambition to make more money no matter

(01:32:27):
how much he has, well, now you've got this cocktail
that is unlike anything that really we've seen in sports
in the last fifty years.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Okay, the Colts aren't really in the market for a
pass rush guy. I mean they I think they think
they have it in Leatu Latu Quinny Pay is probably
just a guy, but he's okay. He's not great, he's
just okay. But you know his first round do you
kind of want more? Dallas has it at Micah Parsons
in an elite level pass rush end. But now that's

(01:32:57):
the big drama. There seems to always be drama around
the Cowboys. What is the latest on Parsons and where's
he going to end up?

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Well, uh, you know, he's their franchise guy. He's he's
Lawrence Taylor two point zero, which has a lot to
put on a guy. But from a talent and athlete perspective,
he's just he's amazing. I mean, he could be an
Olympic caliber wrestler today if he wanted to, because he
was a wrestler in high school with almost no effort.

(01:33:25):
He was a guy who athletically would walk on any
field and kick the hell out of anybody that he
was on the field with. And unbelievably that translated his
Penn State and now it's translated to the NFL. Normally,
you see that guy kind of weeds itself out and
he kind of evens out. Well, Jake, this guy's still
so good. So now he's the man, and now he's
he's up for a contract extension, not this season but

(01:33:49):
next season. But this is usually when you get those
deals done, You get the extensions done the year before
they go into the final year of their rookie contract.
So now he's been going back and forth directly with
Jerry Jones, not the agent, and the agent a big
powerful guy in the NFL, guy named David Mugilea, says well, no,
I need to be a part of this, and Jerry's like, no, no, no,

(01:34:10):
I want to be able to directly with the player. Well,
of course he does. Because the players, it's easier to
take advantage of it. Even though even though Jake taking
advantage of players and NFL contracts is almost impossible anymore
because of these contracts now are mostly predetermined because of
the collective bard.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
The players Association and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Right, yeah, yeah, this is done.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
He's going to get basically what Miles Garrett got and
then TJ. Watt got. It's going to be something really
close to that. It's done, maybe a little bit more,
but effectively, just look at what of those two guys
got and what he's gonna get, but it hasn't been
ironed out yet. You know Michaeh. Parsons who has his
own podcast, of course, and to recount all this other stuff, well,

(01:34:55):
he's banging the drum to create noise intention to try
to get this done. The point where he does something
that no other Cowboys player has ever done. We were
talking about this. Micah Parsons requested the trade. All these
guys who've been in contracts baths with Jerry Jones have
never requested the trade. None of them want to leave

(01:35:17):
the Cowboys because you could make so much more money
as a cowboy in peripheral stuff and marketing opportunities, which
is limited anyways in the NFL, but you can make
more doing that than you would be if you requested
and were granted a trade to say Jacksonville or you know,
Pittsburgh or something. So Micah has done that and that's
what has set this part. Would they trade him. They're

(01:35:38):
not going to trade them.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Yeah, they're gonna sign them. Right, He's gonna get the money, right.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
They'll get the money. I would imagine what it was
in August fifth or something. I would imagine around the
twenties or something. Maybe maybe they wake to the eleventh hour.
But you and I both know players of that ability
in Calboy. They don't. They're not. They weren't going to
play in the preseason anyways. I mean, there's more value
now in not playing football than in playing football because

(01:36:03):
all the everybody's terrified of injuries in every sport. So
now this guy wasn't going to do anything anyways. So
he's out of camp in California, collect making sure that
he doesn't get fined, but he's not doing anything walking
around talking to coaches. I mean, guy's a freaking athlete.
He's fine, but he's not going to get traded. If
just for the sake of argument, let's just say it

(01:36:24):
goes to that bad and they say, Okay, give us
your best offer. I would think the Colts, because I'm
not sold. Who the kid from UCLA that they drafted. Yeah,
no way, I can't believe they drafted him. I had
that surgery and I realized him twice. I'm a middle
aged man. But I'm like, they're all lying to themselves

(01:36:45):
about the long term ramifications of that surgery, lying just
full of it. He might be really good now he's
not going to age. Well he's not. So if they
go on and let's say they say, okay, ge wi ish,
if we can get Michael Parsons, let's do this, it's
going to be at least number ones. Jim Mersey's ghost
is not going to come in and pull a Fred
Young and give up two number ones for Michael Parsons

(01:37:08):
or anybody else that isn't a quarterback. So I can't
see any team giving up two number ones to acquire
a phenomenal defensive player as good as he is.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
You know, when you look mac at like where the
Colts are, and I'm curious from your standpoint, I think
that we you know, this is a franchise and a market,
and you know this, you're from here. You know, we've
been pretty spoiled in the fact that the Colts have
just you know, for years they fell out of bed
and won twelve games, right, yep, Yeah, And it's hard

(01:37:42):
to grasp that since their last AFC South title, every
other team in the division has won it twice since
the Colts last won it. From your perspective, taking your
connection to Indianapolis out of it, what is the Colts
level of relevance in the NFL right now in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
Five, bottom third. You know, when we were kids growing
up there the only reason why the Colts were interesting
when they moved from Baltimore Indianapolis. They had a new
facility and they had the stain nationally of having left
There's at Baltimore in the middle of the night. And
then they traded for Eric Dickerson. That was a big deal.

(01:38:25):
But other than that, they weren't really relevant until you know,
they had that quick bump with Jim Harball leading them
to the AFC Championship Game and damn near winning it.
But you know, that franchise had mostly been a bottom
five team until Peyton Manning and Bill Polling and that
whole thing lined up and they made a generation of

(01:38:47):
Colts fans. And I don't think I ever shared this
with you. I remember visiting with Tony Stewart, the NASCAR driver,
and I introduced myself to being from Indiana, and we talked.
He was great, and I said, how is it now?
He said, you wouldn't believe it. He said, the Colts
have completely remade that state. He said There's he said,
it'd always be basketball, but football has a place now
next to it because of the Colts On that on

(01:39:09):
that mantle in terms of priorities. Well now ever since
the Andrew Luck retirement, we look at it. I mean,
it sucks. I hate it for the city, you know,
so I hate it for my family. I hated for
my friends. I hate it from you all because you
it really does help and it is a point of
civic pride. When the team's pretty good. You know, you're

(01:39:30):
not going to win super Bowl every year. But I
would say where they are now, they're not where they
were when we were kids and they were first moved
to town and they were awful, and you know, barb
Ursay had no idea what he was doing. But you
know I would say, I mean, Jake, as much as
I hate to say it, I would be willing to
bet all of my money. I may have said it
to you on your show. I'd be willing to bet

(01:39:51):
all my money half of that building, the Colts building,
Thanks Anthony Richardson can't play and they need to move
on and they'll.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Never do it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
They have they have to s through. But until they
get that position fixed, I don't think a lot of
people were really thinking about the Indianapolis cult these days.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Mac, How old were you, Mac Engles, our guest Fort
Worth Star Telegram in that capacity in covering sports in
the Dallas Fort Worth area? How old was Miles Turner
the first time you met him?

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
Miles was a senior. He was going into his senior
year of high school, being recruited by everybody and their
brother in the state and nationally. A five star kid
at a local public high school. And what's interesting about
that is that was ten or eleven years ago. A
player of that caliber now probably would not be at
a public school. He would be at some private school

(01:40:40):
on scholarship. But he was at a public school and
one of the more charming, bright young guys I've ever
had a chance to visit with, and he made a
fan out of me. I really enjoyed getting to his dad,
David Turner. But he was a hell of a player
on a team where he had no help. I mean,
he just he should have won a state championship. But
he was on one of those teams where he was

(01:41:01):
the best player by leaps and bounds, and he just couldn't.
It literally was one on side.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
And I would assume Mac, in that capacity, you have
you know, it's disingenuous to say, like, well, you've stayed
in great touch with him, and you guys talk all
the time. But I would assume that when he comes
back to the Dallas Fort Worth area, you have covered him,
or interviewed him, or made the connection about Indiana and
et cetera in that capacity within those conversations. Were you

(01:41:29):
surprised the way things ended here in Indiana?

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
I think the only because I've done this long enough,
Like you, the surprise of it is gone, I put,
let me, let me change that, the shock of it
is gone. But I was surprised. I was surprised only
because I had heard Rick Carlisle and maybe other members
of PACER's management keeping him was a priority and the

(01:41:59):
other part that, and then he was gone and everything
I read, the Bucks just came in and blew him away,
and Indiana didn't want to match.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
And Indiana didn't get a chance to match it though,
mac is the thing, right, I mean? And I think
that's what surprised Indiana is that Miles Turner. And the
reason I ask it is this not to lead the
witness here, but so so Miles Turner, by all account
here sits down or his representation does. And the Pacers

(01:42:32):
don't know that Miles Turner has a pending offer from Milwaukee,
and the and the Bucks basically say, look, here's this offer,
and you take you take it, or you leave it,
and you cannot give Indiana a chance to counter. And
Indiana throws their offer out and he says, I'm taking
Milwaukee's then, And they didn't realize it at that moment

(01:42:55):
that Milwaukee was in play by knowing him and knowing
him at an age or seeing him at an age
where he was more vulnerable and influenced. Does that then,
when I say it that way, surprise you that that
he would have been that eager to act and act

(01:43:15):
in that way is the wrong way of saying it.
But act upon that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
Yeah, I really, you know, I I you know, I
was texting you occasionally doing the Eastern Conference Finals and
NBA Finals, and I wore a little bit of that
one on my sleeve. The kid, the pacer kid, Pacer
fan and me really came out the sherit, the sticker,
the pennant. I was really into it, and I was,

(01:43:39):
you know, I was somewhat biased because and I've interviewed
Miles and I've I wanted to see him do well,
and I know he's I know that he has been
a good steward and ambassador for the NBA and the
Indiana Pacers in Indiana, Uh, dealing with we's been out
in the community. That's worth something. Thing. Yeah, I don't

(01:44:01):
know how much it's worth, but it's worth something. It's
not nothing. And I've commended him for that. And I
wanted to see guys like that stick around, and I
want to see him do well. And when he didn't
do well in the NBA Finals, and I don't think
anybody could sit there and say, well, no, he did, Okay,
it's not the number no, And he just didn't. He
didn't he unless I unless, Jake, you watched something that

(01:44:23):
I didn't see. I saw a guy who was completely
overmatched and had no place in that series whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
He has come back to Dallas Fort Worth. Correct. Have
you got a chance to talk to Miles Turner since
his knowledge of teach?

Speaker 4 (01:44:38):
No, he came back.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
Well, let me let me back that up.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
Let me ask you that I want to ask you
that question. Do you think he had a place in
that in that final series? Or they completely exposed him?
And took him away.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Uh, exposed is probably the wrong word, but yes, I
think he was taken away, you know what I mean,
took And to.

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
Answer your question, yeah, he was back. And can I
share the anecdote that you and I talked about?

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
Yeah? Absolutely, have that great.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
So he comes back to Dallas for Worth and he's
going to work.

Speaker 3 (01:45:11):
He's going to do a.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
Public appearance at a fast food place that's popular in
the Southwest. I don't know if it's over southeast rather,
I don't know if it's in Indiana or not, a
place called Raisin Kine's Chicken. And the PR guy from
Raising Kaine's Chicken reaches out to me and says, I
would love you to come out and talk to Miles.
I know it's the last minute, would you like to
do it? And I'm like, oh my god, yeah, love

(01:45:32):
to see him again. This would be great. And it's
twenty minutes from my house, which the ease of it
was like, oh yeah, let's go. So the guy emails
me he said, what do you want to ask Miles,
which has now become standard, And I said, well, coming
back to the DFW, the NBA Finals, making it all
the way to the finals. Leaving Indiana and going to Milwaukee,

(01:45:52):
guy says, when you ask about raising Kaine's chicken, I said, yes, absolutely, sure,
of course, for sure. That's that's could pro quo, that's
totally normal. Minutes later, I get an email says Miles
team says, no questions about the Pacers, Bucks or the finals,
only questions about coming back and raising Cane's chicken, to
which I said, absolutely not. I mean, I can't be

(01:46:14):
a total, just walking commercial influencer. I have to be
able to ask him a couple of things about basketball,
because if I'm not, and what am I even doing
there other than being, you know, an influencer. So I
was like, no, I'm not gonna go. I can't do
that unless you want to give you a thousand dollars,
which you know I'm saying a tongue in cheek. No,
I didn't see him. I wanted to. I wanted to
congratulate him, and I'm like, no, I'm not going to

(01:46:36):
totally debase myself yet unless you're gonna give me more money.
But no, I didn't see him, and I was, you know,
like I said, Jake, I was really bummed for him.
I'm happy he got a bunch of money. Good for him,
But I don't know when Allie sits in Milwaukee. I'm like,
how is that gonna work? But those guys are a
lot smarter than I am, so maybe it'll work out.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Mac, you're an influencer, I totally am.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
I'm not fooling myself.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
Anymore Instagram influencer. I know this around. I mean, I
can't go anywhere. Whether you're going around, you're taking selfies
the whole time. I get it right, I mean, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
Telling you I made the wrong career choice. If I
was a young, hot blonde ESPN would be burying me
in money right now as a social commentator influencer. I
made a huge mistake when we were kids at that
one to the list.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Yeah, there you go, right, And so it works all right,
Mac Engle fort Worth Star Telegram. So Michael Parson's going
to stay in Dallas, right, and Leatu Latu not going
to be another market Michael Parsons, uh yes.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
And Mike is not going anywhere. And I would give
that kid, the UCLA kid, a good three to five
year window, and anytime after that I'd be holding my breast.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
And that's me. He It was a neck surgery that
he had right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:47):
Next husion surgery. And what happens is now he's a
lot younger than I am pro athletes, so I'm not
kidding myself. But what does happen is that it does
degenerate somewhat and it's harder to remain it hard to
remain to maintain your strength. That's that's what I've noticed.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
Gotcha all right, Mack, appreciate it, man, enjoy the summer
down there.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Great talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Thanks, It's only one hundred and fifteen degrees down there,
I'm sure, Matt angle fort Worth Star Telegram. Interesting stuff though.
I'm telling you that the Cowboys are just one of
those franchises that like when they they do move the needle,
which is funny because why, I mean, it's literally been
thirty years of the Cowboys are if you had to mention, Eddie,
I mean, you follow this stuff right, Like from a

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national standpoint, how many franchises can you name that are
more often in the news when it comes to the
NFL annually year round, more so than the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
The Chicago Bears maybe, but that's about it. You think
the Bears, Oh yeah, every year there's something yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
But I mean like it's I'll push back on that.
I guess just because they're they've had the number one
pick a couple of times recently. But like in terms
of the Bears always have a storyline around them, I guess,
But in terms of like coverage from camp and etc.
It's like the Cowboys just seemingly are always Jerry Jones

(01:49:11):
is the almost visible owner, is it not?

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Yes, correct, he is, and he's the only owner gm
isn't he?

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
I mean the bus and the whole thing, right, I mean,
it's just non stop drama.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
It feels like not the lack of personal hygiene as well,
or that's not.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
He does not carry hand sanitizer. I wish he did.
I wish he did. All Right, we'll get you caught
up on what's taking place in Baltimore right now. Anthony Richardson.
We had mentioned three for four early on in their
practice against the Ravens. The culture Practicing Right Now organized
practice preseason game on Thursday against the Ravens, and Stephanie

(01:49:50):
White talked with us earlier the latest on Caitlin Clark
and her availability. We will let you know what was
said next Practicing Right now with the Baltimore Ravens, and
one player had a message for James Boyd and Steven Holder,

(01:50:12):
which I will let you know about. Apparently it is
the player who right now is having the best showing
against the Ravens in these practice sessions. But before we
get to that earlier, Stephanie White joined US Fever and
Action tonight taking on the Sparks of Los Angeles in LA.
That game a ten o'clock tip. Eddie Yes to be

(01:50:34):
home with the pregame at what time nine and Eddie
Will had the post game as well, and we talked
about a number of things with Stephanie White today, but
among those, obviously the big question is that of the
availability of Caitlin Clark. The Fever of won five straight games.
In those five games, they have had three different players
that at some point have been their leading score. Aliah

(01:50:55):
Boston is the Eastern Conference Player of the Week or
player the month actually and week is it weak week?

Speaker 5 (01:51:03):
She is on.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
A streak of five or six straight double doubles six
Eddie points out to me franchise record and the Fever
are going for their sixth straight win tonight. But the
big question still remains that of Caitlin Clark and whether
or not she will and when she will make her
return for the fever and for that matter, even to

(01:51:27):
the practice floor here as head coach earlier today, Stephanie White, Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
There's there's no changes yet, you know, continuing to go
through this rehab process, you know, beginning to do some
to do some running and and build some endurance and
continuing to take it to take it's low and make
sure that when when she does come back, when she
does return to court activities, that she's one hundred percent
ready to go.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
So that's where things stand with that. So no, you know,
and you could tell there was not that that was
going to be the case. Really, there was no indication
that it would be otherwise. Fever and action.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
It's so bad for Stephanie. Why in this sense, Jake, Like,
just because the attention that Kitlyn Clerk gets from you know, viewership, fans,
et cetera. Like I feel like she could recite that
by by now in her sleep on that reply. Probably true,
just because.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
I mean she gets asked you by yeah the interview, right, right,
But they want to get her practicing for a while
before she gets into games, which is why I still
believe I'm going to stick by it that it's going
to be after that game on the seventeenth, where they
have five days off before they play again on the
twenty second, but a couple of games to play before

(01:52:37):
between now and then.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
That could be a fun one JET because they would
face Minnesota, would be the first matchup in the regular
season between the two teams, and yesterday was announcing that
a Fisa Colliers missing at least two weeks and that
puts her return around that same timeline of good. Fisa Collier,
who's currently probably the odds on favorite for the MVP,
and Kitlyn Clerk reunite.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
And they played once, obviously in a game that does
not go against the regular season standings in that n
Season tournament championship that the Fever had won. Okay, As
for the Colts, Steven Holder James Boyd standing on the sideline,
a guy for the Colts made a play, looked at
both of them, made a comment that was apparently had

(01:53:17):
an expletive in it in reference to basically pointing out
that Baltimore cannot stop this particular guy. He then made
another great play, looked at Boyd and Steven Holder and
said essentially like see, I told you so, and I'm
talking about what apparently is the continuing practice emergence of

(01:53:44):
Ady Mitchell, who is having a good practice against the
Ravens to this point. So that is where things stand
with the Colts practice today. Anthony Richardson started out he
was the quarterbacks to be started taking reps from or
with the starters in that particular practice. Again, I don't

(01:54:09):
know that you read a lot into which one is
getting the first snaps, but rather how well they're playing.
And at last report Richardson was, you know, was throwing
the ball well, so too though was Daniel Jones. Both
of them essentially in rhythm.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
So something to add to that, Jake, I think that
speaks largely of the Cult secondary and how confident Loui
an Rimo chance Sta can have been, because there have
been days where the two Cult quarterbacks have looked bad
and we didn't know, you know, the Tracker group would
tell us that it's largely because of the two quarterbacks,

(01:54:47):
but Lamar Jackson was two of seven in the eleven
to eleven period earlier, So when they're doing this against
you know, an actual respectable quarterback, it was at two
times MVP and one of the best in the league.
And Lamar Jackson, I think that's you know, largely to
how well that secondary is for the Colts and that
maybe there I've been strides for both of these quarterbacks
with you know, the system changed for Daniel Jones and

(01:55:09):
then some of the focuses of impermit mechanically for Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Zire Franklin, by the way, not practicing today. That's not
a huge surprise because Zire Franklin, of course coming back
off of the ankle surgery and was a late kind
of addition to camp itself, and once I'm sure he
is basically on a pitch count getting out there because
of the fact that you want to be careful with

(01:55:35):
that ankle and make sure that you are gingerly going
through it. And you probably have the benefit of the
fact that with a guy like Zire Franklin, you know,
he's got a pretty good idea of what needs to
be done and what he's doing. So in that regard,
that's where things stand with him and the way things
are going. You had mentioned Eddie, the Caitlin Clark situation

(01:55:57):
with Stephanie White. Yes, I think sometimes with players, with
any player, you weigh out when you are determining whether
to draft a player, whether to sign a player, whether
to start a player, whatever it might be, you weigh
out if there's potential distraction, what the level of distraction is,

(01:56:25):
and then what the level of payoff is. And I remember,
for example, when Michael Sam was coming into the NFL
and Missouri, I believe is where he played. And Michael

(01:56:46):
Sam was the first outwardly gay player going into an
NFL draft, and there was a lot of discussion about
where he would be selected, and Tony Dungee caught some
criticism saying that he wouldn't draft Michael Sam. And I
think people thought, just because of Tony Dungee's theological stances

(01:57:07):
that he was talking about, you know, it was seen
as a homophobic statement. And Tony Dungee went on to
explain that what he meant by that was whenever you
have a player that has with him non football attachment
and storyline that you then weigh how much that player

(01:57:29):
at maximum can bring to your team versus how much
player how much distraction that player can bring to your team.
And there are players that you are willing to deal
with the baggage. There are certain players that like Dennis
Robmin Dennis Robin was a walking side show and a

(01:57:49):
walking storyline and a walking TMZ. But you know, I remember,
you know, even Bob Knight one time said I'd love
to have him on my team and they said, well,
all the things he brings to the table, and he said,
not the way he plays when he's on the floor.
The benefit he brings you offsets whatever distraction is there.
So if the distraction is a seven out of ten,

(01:58:11):
then as a player, the benefit has to be more
than a seven. And when players sometimes start to fall
in a draft or players start to fall in a
free agency period and you wonder, like, what in the
world is going on, it's because at some point they
cross the intersection of what would be a draw in

(01:58:36):
terms of what they bring versus what they encapsulate. And
there's one guy right now that I think we're seeing
it because everybody started to wonder how in the world
this guy could fall. Everybody started to wonder why in

(01:58:58):
the world this guy was not getting opportunity. Everybody started
to analyze others at his position of he's better than
those players. What's going on? He's being penalized because of
things beyond his control, because of associations he has. And

(01:59:21):
I look right now at training camp, and you mentioned
Eddie that you feel bad for Stephanie White because of
the fact that she's got to constantly answer these questions
about Caitlin Clark. In the Cleveland Browns right now have
a guy in Shador Sanders who was sure, maybe at

(01:59:43):
ceiling he's a six and a half of what he
can bring your franchise, but in terms of the scrutiny
and the drama right now, he's a seven in the
fact that and I'm not saying it's his fault, but
it's like when Tim Tebow was trying out for the
New York Jets and you literally could not flip past
ESPN without seeing South Palantoni or some reporter like eight

(02:00:06):
minutes till Jets camp, ten minutes till Jets camp.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
And the same thing when he went to Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
Yeah, it was just constant, right, constant, constant, constant, or
when he played baseball, and so the you know, with that,
the non stop scrutiny eventually overshadows and usurps what it
is that they can bring to the table, and a
guy like Shad or Sanders may well be eventually a

(02:00:32):
decent player. But if you are a general manager, if
you're a head coach, if you're an offensive coordinator, do
you want a guy on your roster that every time
you are not catering towards that guy, everyone is jumping
up and down, questioning it and making allegations about it
and going on and on about the lunacy that you're
not catering to this particular player, and especially when you

(02:00:53):
look at it and you go, but the ceiling payoff
is an eight, and this distraction, now, this headache is
like a twelve. And literally every time I turn around,
I'm seeing different stories about question marks of why Shoode
or Sanders is not the third string quarterback. And look
here's the Joe Flacco now is listed as a starter
and how absurd is that? And what about that?

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
And it's just constant. Well, he's hurt right now. He
hasn't been practicing yet, I know, and.

Speaker 1 (02:01:19):
That's what I mean, like and yet, but even with that, Eddie,
there is discussion that he hasn't when he has been
out there or OTAs or whatever, he just has He's
not shown what it was that they want to see again.
Even if he is healthy and progresses, what is his
level of impact versus the level of sideshow.

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
Yeah, And I feel like to kind of connect this
to the fever Jake. Like their's success lately, the winning
five in a row, going for six and seven and
two or eight and two in the last ten largely
I kind of credit it now to like the water
has calmed, there's no more there's the storm is gone,

(02:02:03):
there's no more drama, and like they've been able to
settle in, Like you have the Sophie Cunningham thing right
at the start of the season. You had to want
a bonner situation. And Stephanie White misses a couple of games,
especially in the first month of the year, because of
some personal things that were going on in her life.
So like all that stuff puts a toll on you,

(02:02:24):
and your best player is out and now it's kind
of all stabilized and it feels like they have finally
settled in.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
It does feel like I hate to say this because
Caitlyn Clark is a phenomenal talent and the straw mixing
the drink and the marketing genius of it all and
you are a better team with her available, There's no
denying that. But it also has been kind of nicely
off the radar for them, where they've been able to
put these things together and put together a nice win streak.

(02:02:56):
I'm very, very very curious to see how it works
when she then comes back in and mixes back in.
Speaking of mixes back in, we'll mix it in with
John jamb is going to be with you next. We
will hand it off to him and put a tie
on all of it. Here and gets caught up on
the last things that may be happening in Baltimore as well.
I worry that you've gotten too comfortable with the country hits.

Speaker 2 (02:03:20):
Wouldn't it been something if I just came back with,
like some some jazz by Duke Ellington or Barbas streisand
here be a pull her opposite.

Speaker 1 (02:03:31):
By the way, Thursday, we're going to be at the
Legends Golf Club, of course Tilock and the Moors, huh.
Or some bluegrass. I like bluegrass lotus, sticky play some
Bill Monroe. I took a class on bluegrass music in
the history of Jazz and Blues music in Indiana when
I was in college. Eddie and one of the fascinating
storylines that I've I've mentioned this before that I've always

(02:03:55):
and I wish you could still go there. I don't
think it's still there, But the Star Piano Company in Richmond,
Indiana had a recording studio kind of in the back
area of it for a lot of jazz and blues
musicians that a lot of places in Indiana would not
record them back in the day. But if they could not,
if there were musicians coming from Memphis that were trying

(02:04:16):
to get to Chicago but didn't want to go all
the way up that far, or for whatever reason, the
Star Piano Company had a recording studio where they would
and I can't remember the name of the record label
that they recorded, like Dizzy Gillespie and Jelly Roll Morton
and all kinds of musicians, and the studio itself for
the Piano Company. I think there might still be like

(02:04:39):
a smokestack left of the company itself, but they just
tore it down or I think it it collapsed or
something like five or ten years ago. And I always
made me mad that I didn get a chance to
see it, because it's kind of an un written aspect
of Indianapolis's music or Indiana music law. I should say
when I was in high school, we had when I

(02:05:01):
was at w j L, which is part of the
Javortlight Career Center attached to North Central, and I took
radio and television, and so I was in the radio
station a lot after school hours, and the custodian for
Javort Light Career Center we just called him Hub, and
Hubb would push around his precursor to the days of

(02:05:25):
now you know, iPods and whatever else. Hubb always would
push around this huge trash barrel with his you know,
cleaning stuff as he would go into rooms. And finally,
one time, when I was walking into the Jayvort Light
Career Center, I looked and I could hear music, and

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I looked in and Hub, while he was working cleaning
one of the rooms had a record player set up
and that trash barrel that he would push around underneath
all the towels, he carried a record player and so
he had this record player playing and it was jazz music.
And Hubb invited me in and it was then that
I learned that he was the brother, the younger brother

(02:06:08):
of legendary musician Freddie Hubbard. Oh nice. And so it
was the music of Freddie Hubbard that he would listen
to while he was cleaning, and so he would he
then kind of opened up, and I mean, I love
hub was the best. And hearing the stories of you know,
those days of just going around and playing the different

(02:06:30):
clubs in Indianapolis, and you know, it was it was
fascinating stuff. And it was particularly fascinating stuff that I
appreciated the most for being just, you know, a kid
from the North Side that was naive to a great
part of a lot of that. My buddy Frank Davis,
who lives here in town is a huge officionado and
historian of jazz as well. Goes to the jazz kitchen

(02:06:51):
and hearing the stories of that era of music and
those that have the ear to be able to understand
the finer tastes of it, to me fascinating stuff. I mean,
there's just so much history and storytelling that goes in
with all of that. But at any rate, I was
gonna mention on Thursday, ten o'clock in the morning Legends
Golf Club, we will be there benefiting the Franciscan Foundation.

(02:07:14):
I've seen kind of the calendar of events that are
taking place. It's going to be a ton of fun
out of the legends for the Fan Invitational Golf Outing,
and I look forward to that. I'm playing Pleasant Run,
I think, tomorrow, and I hope that doesn't completely I
got to be on my game on Thursday in case,
and we're gonna be doing the show out there. So
I don't know that I'll be hitting the links per se.

Speaker 2 (02:07:34):
Well, tomorrow's Wednesday, Jake.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
I know I'm playing Pleasant Run tomorrow. Yeah, And then
I'm saying the golf outing is on Thursday. Well, you're
in tip top shape. You show perfectly fine. Yeah, I
ain't playing thirty six holes in two days, probably right,
I don't. So I got to pace myself tomorrow. But
it's been a while since I've played. I've had some
things going on. I've not been able to be out
on the golf court.

Speaker 2 (02:07:56):
Now, what would Doctor White say if if you were
concerned Jake about this?

Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
Huh, You gotta to feed the ball. You gotta hit
the ball, Jake. I haven't done my Doctor White impersonation
in a while, but he he. You gotta get a
bucket of balls, Jake. You gotta go ouad and get
a bucket of balls.

Speaker 2 (02:08:11):
You're talking about, or Gannett or Jeannette Records, Yes, thank you,
that is it Jeanette Records.

Speaker 1 (02:08:17):
That is indeed correct.

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
Spout out to my old program director at w ICE here,
Henry Princess, with that one.

Speaker 1 (02:08:25):
That is correct.

Speaker 3 (02:08:27):
G E.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
N E. T. T. Might be two ends, but yes,
that was connected to the Star Piano Company of Richmond, Indiana,
and they recorded a ton of those people back in
the day. So tomorrow we are going to be out
at the Indiana State Fair. I look forward to that.
James Boy will join us to recap for us everything
that's gone on between the Colts and the Ravens, and
then we will be there for some cardon Raymond at
the State fair grounds as well. J ANDV has arrived here.

Speaker 8 (02:08:52):
Hey, I get a question for you really quick. Hey,
when did they stop When did they stop in this
state telling you before you get to the road that's
closed that the road is closed because because they treated
this like smoking the bandit? Now remember smoking the bandit? Hey, great,
tell me the bridge is out. As I get to

(02:09:13):
the bridge, I would have taken a different route. When
did they start not telling you or informed once.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
They assumed you just use ways. I guess is that
it can not put a sign up like a half
mile down the road. What road was closed? That shocked you? Everyone?
You're right about that each one. And lots of bike
paths being put in, which I'm cool with that, but
it's narrowing the road. The street I live on up north,
they they just got done redoing all of it, and

(02:09:40):
I'm like, well, wait a minute, like it feels like
the lanes are way thinner.

Speaker 2 (02:09:44):
Are they completely? I know, I know they had one
side where.

Speaker 1 (02:09:48):
They still have some barrels out. I have a question
for Corrison. He can look this up too.

Speaker 8 (02:09:51):
Okay, what's the cultural record since they've gone with the
mantra or motto.

Speaker 1 (02:09:58):
For the shoe? When did they start that? Because I'm
ready to drop that like a bad habit? What about
colts forged? Are you done with that too?

Speaker 8 (02:10:06):
I just that wasn't for the shoe. And the reason
why I bring this up it's on the side. It's
going up on the side of the jaw, and I'm
thinking we're kind of done with that. This has been
a losing It's like Pacer Pride in the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 1 (02:10:20):
I love Pacer Pride.

Speaker 8 (02:10:21):
I mean great commercials that were earworms, but it was
surrounding the lose pacers.

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
Now just stick with yes, sirs, because that that did
appear to stick when they were half away from winning
it all.

Speaker 8 (02:10:32):
As much as I hate every second of it, I
would have to agree with you on that probably probably
so I.

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
Don't like it either, and Shannon Walsh hates it.

Speaker 8 (02:10:39):
But yes, we're it's gotta be something underdog wise, but
can we not come up with something else for the Colts?

Speaker 3 (02:10:45):
Eddie?

Speaker 1 (02:10:45):
Are you looking this up feverishly over there?

Speaker 2 (02:10:47):
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out when it was.

Speaker 1 (02:10:48):
I wonder when they started this, because there's.

Speaker 8 (02:10:51):
Zero ways started to have one one at a high
level since they started for the Shoe.

Speaker 2 (02:10:55):
Started twenty twenty twenty twenty August sixteenth or twenty twenties
when they debuted it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:01):
Okay, so you think it's time for something new, I'll
tell you what the record is right now, twenty August
of twenty So the twenty twenty one season, is that right?

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
Would be for the twenty twenty season, right twenty twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (02:11:16):
In other words, the season was twenty going into twenty
twenty one in the postseason, right, the twenty twenty season. Right,
So based on that, their record with it is, let's
see twenty and seventeen, twenty four and twenty nine, thirty
three and thirty seven, forty one and fifty six. Is
that right? That seems harsh? Eleven and five and nine

(02:11:40):
and eight would be twenty and seventeen, twenty four and
twenty nine, thirty three and thirty seven, forty one and
fifty six, forty one and fifty six with for the shoe? Yeah,
oh yeah, it's time.

Speaker 8 (02:11:54):
To change that up. Can they put something like we
sucked when it was for the shoe or finally a final.

Speaker 2 (02:12:01):
Way that can't be right? Hold on twenty thirteen. We
have to remember they sucked one year, like really really bad.

Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
Twenty No, I'm sorry, twenty four and twenty five, hang
on a second, thirty three and thirty three, sorry, forty
one and forty two yet.

Speaker 3 (02:12:20):
For the shoe? Are you not?

Speaker 7 (02:12:22):
Am I?

Speaker 3 (02:12:23):
Listen?

Speaker 8 (02:12:23):
I know nobody cares. All you care about is the
product on the field, but all we passed for the shoe.
By now, I've always thought it was hoky for the shoe.

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
I've always what does it mean.

Speaker 8 (02:12:35):
We're there for the shoe. We're watching and interested and
cheering for the shoe and only that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:40):
But but here's the thing. For the shoe era also was,
if I'm not mistaken, we were told that everything was
for the shoe, and it was the end of that
first year. If it was, it not where it was
like all chips in period Like we're going to get
rid of anybody unless they're all chips in periods. So
what you learned was that not everybody was for the shoe, right?

Speaker 3 (02:12:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (02:13:00):
Well, I mean, could you not do something for gym
here too, like for Jim? I mean, I mean anything
else other than for the shoe. I don't disagree with
you for the shoes for losers.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
All the marketing things are kind of hokey. Who came
up with that? Who am I offending by that? Who's
the marketeer that I'm offender? Who doesn't have slogans? Winners? Correct?
He new doesn't change their uniform every year? Winners? Yes? Yeah,
good idea. All right, John's up next. We're back with
you at noon tomorrow. I thank you for listening to
Queering Company.

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